| 00:10.58 | bisho | TheMasterMind1: You were talking about a new Sharp ROM? |
| 00:11.35 | ljp | ya, theres a new sharp rom for 5500 |
| 00:13.18 | bisho | aham |
| 00:13.31 | bisho | But is preview or final release? |
| 00:13.44 | TheMasterMind1 | final |
| 00:13.45 | TheMasterMind1 | 3.1 |
| 00:14.05 | bisho | it's not announced on myzaurus yet... |
| 00:14.30 | bisho | I heard that the doc tab is like the C700... |
| 00:14.47 | bisho | much more functional, like a little file browser... |
| 00:14.48 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 00:14.49 | TheMasterMind1 | its nice |
| 00:15.43 | TheMasterMind1 | speaking of C700s, read the topic. |
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| 00:46.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:47.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna run a proggy for a certain amount of time then kill it |
| 00:47.10 | TheMasterMind1 | any ideas how to do that |
| 00:47.43 | Neo|Work | from within the program or externally? |
| 00:47.56 | TheMasterMind1 | externally |
| 00:48.05 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to run tcpdump overnight |
| 00:48.10 | TheMasterMind1 | for 10 minutes, every half hour |
| 00:48.11 | TheMasterMind1 | or something liek that |
| 00:48.19 | Neo|Work | start it in the background, note the pid, sleep, and kill it |
| 00:48.54 | TheMasterMind1 | for i in 1 2 3; do (yes $i &); sleep 1s; killall yes; done |
| 00:48.58 | TheMasterMind1 | that didn't work =D |
| 00:49.00 | TheMasterMind1 | whats the pid variable |
| 00:49.01 | TheMasterMind1 | $? |
| 00:49.05 | TheMasterMind1 | or $$ |
| 00:49.06 | TheMasterMind1 | something |
| 00:49.09 | Neo|Work | $! I believe |
| 00:49.33 | TheMasterMind1 | nope empty |
| 00:49.35 | Neo|Work | $$ is the pid of the shell |
| 00:49.38 | Neo|Work | which shell? |
| 00:49.42 | TheMasterMind1 | bash |
| 00:50.05 | Neo|Work | $! is definitely it |
| 00:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i test it |
| 00:50.28 | Neo|Work | bash-2.05a$ id& |
| 00:50.29 | Neo|Work | [1] 26651 |
| 00:50.29 | Neo|Work | bash-2.05a$ uid=1011(neotron) gid=1011(neotron) groups=1011(neotron),22(cdrom),80(cdwriter),81(audio),104(urpmi),503(xgrp) |
| 00:50.29 | Neo|Work | [1]+ Done id |
| 00:50.29 | Neo|Work | bash-2.05a$ echo $! |
| 00:50.30 | Neo|Work | 26651 |
| 00:50.49 | TheMasterMind1 | always blank for me |
| 00:51.00 | Neo|Work | strange then |
| 00:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 00:51.00 | TheMasterMind1 | doh |
| 00:51.03 | TheMasterMind1 | its when you backgroudn it |
| 00:51.04 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:51.07 | TheMasterMind1 | long day |
| 00:51.22 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 00:51.49 | TheMasterMind1 | lithium:/packetdump# for i in 1 2 3; do (yes $i &); PID=$!; sleep 1s; kill $PID; done |
| 00:51.49 | TheMasterMind1 | bash: !: event not found |
| 00:53.02 | Neo|Work | how funny |
| 00:53.08 | Neo|Work | make it a function |
| 00:53.50 | TheMasterMind1 | nope doesn't like me to put it anywhere |
| 00:54.04 | Neo|Work | works for me |
| 00:54.56 | TheMasterMind1 | blah |
| 00:55.24 | Neo|Work | doit() { |
| 00:55.24 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.24 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.24 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.24 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.25 | Neo|Work | } |
| 00:55.30 | Neo|Work | for a in 1 2 3 4; do doit $a; done |
| 00:56.44 | ljp | wow, thats leet |
| 00:57.04 | Neo|Work | I know, I rock. hehe ;-) |
| 00:57.16 | ljp | ;) |
| 00:57.28 | TheMasterMind1 | nope no worky |
| 00:57.28 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 00:57.40 | TheMasterMind1 | why's it working for you |
| 00:57.41 | TheMasterMind1 | not fair |
| 00:58.03 | Neo|Work | zsh perhaps |
| 00:58.19 | Neo|Work | nope, works in bash too |
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| 01:06.28 | TheMasterMind1 | doit() { |
| 01:06.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.28 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.29 | TheMasterMind1 | } |
| 01:06.31 | TheMasterMind1 | while [ 1 ]; do |
| 01:06.33 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.35 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.37 | TheMasterMind1 | done |
| 01:06.39 | TheMasterMind1 | make sense? |
| 01:07.36 | Neo|Work | sure |
| 01:08.41 | TheMasterMind1 | wonderful |
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| 01:12.55 | hugh_daniel | Offtopic: Remember to check out the Lunar Eclipse that starts in an hour: http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/extra/TLE2003May15.html |
| 01:14.23 | ljp | no |
| 01:14.42 | ljp | all thats fooie anyway. no one really believes in eclipses |
| 01:14.48 | TheMasterMind1 | Neo|Work: can i do doit& |
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| 01:54.13 | ljp_lappie | hmm |
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| 02:15.42 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 02:43.20 | treke|laptop | thats one big ass pull |
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| 02:50.10 | treke|laptop | sweeet. jamey updated the kernel patches :) |
| 02:52.04 | treke|laptop | probably ought to update alsa also |
| 02:52.11 | _Psycho | too many treke around :) |
| 02:52.44 | sonix` | *sigh*, the miseries of trying to setup a dev environment... |
| 02:55.22 | treke|laptop | hehe. thats easy for buildroot :) |
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| 03:32.46 | treke|laptop | even ljp |
| 03:32.48 | treke|laptop | evening |
| 03:37.11 | ljp | hey treke |
| 03:37.41 | sonix` | treke|laptop: thats a lie, and you know it! |
| 03:38.52 | ljp | I'll have irc on my lappie soon, too |
| 03:39.08 | treke|laptop | sonix`: actually I'm building right now |
| 03:39.54 | ljp | you a builder? |
| 03:40.03 | ljp | got your hammer? |
| 03:40.10 | sonix` | heh |
| 03:40.19 | treke|laptop | ljp: yup |
| 03:40.24 | sonix` | i'll show you where i got stuck |
| 03:40.25 | sonix` | hold on |
| 03:40.42 | treke|laptop | it was right there |
| 03:41.03 | sonix` | shut up you! |
| 03:41.16 | sonix` | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3184&s=183b9653e02bc49b9ca47b1c31262352 << scroll down to the last post and ignore the rest |
| 03:41.26 | sonix` | ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! |
| 03:41.46 | sonix` | Page Down then. |
| 03:42.09 | ljp | all your bass are belong to us |
| 03:42.21 | treke|laptop | er piece of pizza |
| 03:42.33 | ljp | I'd rather have a whole pizza |
| 03:44.49 | sonix` | ljp: any ideas? |
| 03:45.03 | ljp | I have lots of ideas |
| 03:45.11 | ljp | one of which is to eat |
| 03:45.25 | sonix` | haha |
| 03:46.47 | ljp | you guys really should add qtopia to the build! ;) |
| 03:47.24 | sonix` | c'mon ljp help me out man |
| 03:47.43 | ljp | doors over there -> |
| 03:47.52 | sonix` | *sigh* |
| 03:48.00 | ljp | :) |
| 03:48.14 | sonix` | heheheheh! |
| 03:48.25 | ljp | dont let it hit you on the ass on your way out!! hehehehe |
| 03:48.33 | sonix` | O.o |
| 03:48.56 | ljp | do you source that script? |
| 03:49.25 | ljp | oh you switched to oe |
| 03:49.33 | sonix` | i did? |
| 03:49.42 | ljp | what version of gcc? |
| 03:49.49 | sonix` | 3.2 |
| 03:49.56 | sonix` | 2.95.3 for cross |
| 03:50.16 | ljp | not sure if opie compiles with gcc3 yet |
| 03:50.26 | sonix` | kergoth tol dme it doesnt matter |
| 03:52.18 | ljp | uic needs to be built as a regular x11/qt app I think |
| 03:52.48 | sonix` | how?? |
| 03:54.10 | ljp | configure a regular qt |
| 03:59.26 | sonix` | ljp: http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/BuildingQtForOpie << this is what you speak of? |
| 04:00.46 | ljp | ya, tried that? |
| 04:01.17 | sonix` | i did before |
| 04:01.20 | sonix` | that part worked fine |
| 04:01.34 | sonix` | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?SourceCode this failed in the last operation |
| 04:01.56 | sonix` | should I do both? |
| 04:04.41 | sonix` | boom, pop, boom b-boom pop. |
| 04:06.08 | sonix` | ljp: ? |
| 04:06.32 | ljp | what fails? |
| 04:06.55 | sonix` | i dont remember, I formatted my hard drive so I think i should do it again and give you the precise error. |
| 04:07.05 | ljp | hmmm |
| 04:07.12 | sonix` | so should I do both operations or just build QT? |
| 04:07.56 | ljp | I usuallt built qt/x11, then symlink qt->qt-embedded-2.3.5 |
| 04:08.11 | ljp | and build that qt, using the uic and qvfb from the x11 |
| 04:08.24 | sonix` | i havent seen a guide that does it your way |
| 04:09.24 | ljp | well, I have several different versions of qt, qte, qtopia and opie |
| 04:10.17 | sonix` | i c |
| 04:11.02 | sonix` | should I go ahead and do this: http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?SourceCode ? |
| 04:11.23 | ljp | I also have a symlink Qtopia-> qtopia-zaurus and qtopia-opie |
| 04:11.30 | ljp | ya |
| 04:12.19 | sonix` | you have a 5500 right? |
| 04:12.47 | ljp | 5000d |
| 04:12.55 | sonix` | what did they change? |
| 04:12.58 | ljp | 5000d's ;) |
| 04:13.05 | sonix` | I got a 5500d |
| 04:13.08 | sonix` | hahahaha! |
| 04:13.13 | sonix` | why d's? |
| 04:13.14 | ljp | those are develoeprs versions with less memory |
| 04:13.15 | sonix` | crazy man! |
| 04:13.19 | sonix` | i c |
| 04:13.37 | sonix` | 5500d are developers version with less money :) |
| 04:13.45 | sonix` | identical to the 55000 |
| 04:13.48 | sonix` | -0 |
| 04:13.55 | sonix` | 230 bucks shipped |
| 04:14.00 | treke|laptop | there is no 5500d |
| 04:14.08 | sonix` | treke|laptop: sure there is |
| 04:14.09 | sonix` | one sec. |
| 04:14.26 | treke|laptop | there was a 5500 and a 5000d |
| 04:14.35 | sonix` | its this deal with pcconectiont hat provides developers with the pda for less |
| 04:14.39 | sonix` | no hardware difference |
| 04:15.01 | treke|laptop | then they are giving you a 5500 and calling it something different |
| 04:15.12 | sonix` | precisely |
| 04:15.17 | sonix` | http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=331859 |
| 04:15.27 | treke|laptop | but its still a 5500 |
| 04:15.39 | sonix` | yup |
| 04:15.53 | treke|laptop | if sharp called it a 5500d it would be a 5500d :) |
| 04:16.02 | sonix` | heh |
| 04:16.24 | ljp | what should I eat? |
| 04:16.27 | treke|laptop | so how do they decide if you are a developer :) |
| 04:17.53 | sonix` | they dont |
| 04:17.54 | sonix` | haha |
| 04:18.02 | sonix` | its in the mail as we speak |
| 04:19.33 | ljp | make -j4 |
| 04:21.45 | treke|laptop | oe and make -j dont get along |
| 04:21.56 | ljp | heh figures |
| 04:22.07 | ljp | fix it then |
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| 04:31.15 | sonix` | heh |
| 04:31.22 | sonix` | ljp_laptop: done? |
| 04:31.35 | sonix` | /bin/sh: line 1: arm-linux-g++: command not found |
| 04:31.36 | sonix` | ? |
| 04:31.53 | treke|laptop | sonix`: install a toolchain |
| 04:32.03 | sonix` | i did earlier today |
| 04:32.04 | ljp_laptop | whereis arm-linux-g++ |
| 04:32.10 | kergoth | add a toolchain to your path then |
| 04:32.19 | sonix` | ah! |
| 04:32.25 | sonix` | we did that earlier |
| 04:32.38 | sonix` | now i know how to add shit to my path. thanks to sir kergoth :) |
| 04:33.04 | sonix` | export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm |
| 04:33.06 | sonix` | :) |
| 04:34.33 | sonix` | looks like i'm missing something. i'll just redownload it |
| 04:35.33 | sonix` | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/cross-2.95.3-oz-1.1.tar.bz2 << that one? |
| 04:36.24 | sonix` | 1.2 looks right. |
| 04:36.27 | kergoth | nah, grab cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 instead |
| 04:36.35 | kergoth | i dont trust anything anymore other than that one |
| 04:36.35 | sonix` | original one? |
| 04:36.38 | sonix` | alright if you say so |
| 04:37.02 | sonix` | seems like i already have it |
| 04:37.03 | sonix` | weird. |
| 04:37.39 | kergoth | uh |
| 04:37.46 | kergoth | you want to add the path to arm-linux-gcc |
| 04:37.48 | kergoth | not /usr/local/arm |
| 04:37.54 | kergoth | but /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin |
| 04:38.04 | sonix` | da ha! |
| 04:38.14 | sonix` | you're a bright one, kergoth |
| 04:38.57 | sonix` | unix admin? hows that related? |
| 04:39.24 | kergoth | uh |
| 04:39.34 | kergoth | adding something to a path has nothing to do with qt |
| 04:39.42 | sonix` | hey i know how to add shit to my path! |
| 04:39.51 | sonix` | i just didnt know which folder iw anted to add |
| 04:40.00 | sonix` | anyways its compiling now |
| 04:40.04 | sonix` | it feels much better |
| 04:40.17 | sonix` | kergoth: now, how do I add shit permanently to my path? or do I want to do that? |
| 04:41.04 | sonix` | kernel/qkeyboard_qws.cpp:620: `SHARP_KBDCTL_GETMODIFSTAT' undeclared (first use this function)/make[2]: *** [kernel/qkeyboard_qws.o] Error 1 |
| 04:41.10 | sonix` | >:( |
| 04:41.35 | ljp_laptop | I put it in ~/.bashrc |
| 04:41.51 | sonix` | ok |
| 04:42.24 | sonix` | now it stopped again |
| 04:42.25 | sonix` | *sigh* |
| 04:49.29 | sonix` | kergoth: how do I get a username and password for opie.handhelds.org to edit the pages |
| 04:49.36 | sonix` | i found a couple typos that i wish to fix |
| 04:52.17 | sonix` | ljp: what is the problem in that error message? |
| 04:52.30 | ljp_laptop | you shouldnt need that for the wiki |
| 04:52.46 | sonix` | it says invalid userid or password |
| 04:52.57 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 04:53.45 | sonix` | well its not that important. dont worry about it |
| 04:54.15 | sonix` | but whats this kernel/qkeyboard_qws.cpp thing |
| 04:54.20 | sonix` | whats wrong with the file? |
| 04:54.41 | ljp_laptop | dunno. |
| 04:55.04 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie; make SUBDIRS=packages/qte; |
| 04:55.06 | kergoth | try that |
| 04:55.43 | sonix` | nope |
| 04:55.48 | sonix` | same error |
| 04:55.58 | kergoth | well SHARP_KBDCTL_GETMODIFSTAT is defined if the kernel is built |
| 04:56.00 | kergoth | dunno |
| 04:56.54 | djr | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 04:56.55 | | hmm... oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 04:57.13 | sonix` | djr i need to build that before i can buildroot |
| 04:57.16 | sonix` | i tried that earlier |
| 04:57.37 | djr | huh? i was asking ibot for myself |
| 04:57.38 | djr | hehe |
| 04:57.44 | sonix` | heh |
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| 05:13.06 | sonix` | qt3 doesnt work with opie right? |
| 05:13.32 | djr | kergoth: what version of perl are you using with buildroot? |
| 05:14.08 | djr | i'm using 5.8.0 and the patcher script fails on a few things... one is with the mkdir '.patches' ... it requires a MASK setting too, i changed it to mkdir '.patches',0700 or die...etc |
| 05:14.10 | ljp_laptop | hey! this thing has a built in keyboard light! |
| 05:14.34 | ljp_laptop | sweet |
| 05:14.36 | djr | then with the open tag... there are too many arguments... the > gets combined with the var |
| 05:14.44 | kergoth | djr: i use 5.8.0. |
| 05:14.50 | djr | if (!open(MERGE, ">$mergename")) { |
| 05:14.51 | kergoth | djr: ask schurig what he wrote patcher using |
| 05:17.07 | djr | and my patch doesnt have a --dry-run (not on fbsd or linux) |
| 05:17.07 | ljp_laptop | oohh just barely enough light to see the keyboard on a darkened plane |
| 05:18.21 | ljp_laptop | hmm that remonds me, I need to eat still |
| 05:18.27 | kergoth | djr: not surprising that the bsd one doesnt, my gnu patch here does |
| 05:18.37 | kergoth | djr: does it have an equivalent function, just differing syntax? |
| 05:18.50 | kergoth | djr: basically, you need to find and deal with all gnuisms |
| 05:19.39 | djr | the linux box is redhat 8.0 |
| 05:20.05 | djr | bsd patch = -C (check) |
| 05:20.08 | kergoth | eh |
| 05:20.10 | djr | -C, --check |
| 05:20.14 | kergoth | i've built a buildroot in rh 8 |
| 05:20.15 | djr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.15 | djr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.39 | ljp_laptop | might be nice if I could remember which key is the start button for xmame/tempest |
| 05:20.41 | djr | to get around cp -a in bsd, i used the linux emu vers in /compat/linux/bin/cp |
| 05:21.53 | sonix` | does anyone here have the Logitech MX700? |
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| 07:24.09 | jeanpaul | and all my fonts got nuked!!! argh. so .... ipkg install qte-font* got me back some fonts but ..... ouch. it stopped opie from launching . ahh well. seems to be working now .... |
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| 11:08.13 | Twiun | hey cmartin, how goes it? |
| 11:08.32 | cmartin | hi, good |
| 11:08.33 | Twiun | djr: you mean the 'other' box didn't already have linux on it??? |
| 11:12.32 | cmartin | Twiun: what's the status of your boot screen? |
| 11:13.15 | Twiun | cmartin: merged in |
| 11:13.53 | Twiun | cmartin: so bk pull, make SUBDIRS=packages/oz-base clean :) |
| 11:17.32 | cmartin | Twiun: wouldn't it be niffty if there was a nice background image, instead of the black screen with tux? |
| 11:18.35 | Twiun | cmartin: Ah, hang on, on the Zaurus, there _is_ a nifty background image - no tux |
| 11:21.21 | djr | Twiun: no, i use bsd on all my boxes |
| 11:21.53 | Twiun | djr: as long as you have some type of unix :) |
| 11:22.01 | djr | OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC/i386 - CPU: 2 x Intel Pentium III (999.53-MHz 686-class CPU) - Processes: 76 - Uptime: 59 Days, 4 Hours, 32 Minutes - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 173.06mb/1021.20mb (16.95%) - Disk Usage: 214.84gb/236.88gb (90.70%) |
| 11:22.35 | cmartin | so it's an iPAQ sec. issue that i don't have a nifty background imge? |
| 11:22.48 | djr|z | Hostname: openzaurus - OS: Linux 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/armv4l - CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 9 (v4l) - Processes: 38 - Uptime: 7 Days, 1 Hour, 14 Minutes - Load Average: 2.29 - Memory Usage: 9.24mb/62.25mb (14.84%) - Disk Usage: 44.91gb/53.02gb (84.70%) |
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| 11:46.56 | Twiun | cmartin: I don't know the details, but I believe the oz background is a kernel patch |
| 11:49.31 | Twiun | cmartin: yep, just looked: packages/kernel <- logos and the makefile |
| 11:50.16 | Twiun | cmartin: why that isn't picked up for an ipaq build I don't know though |
| 12:31.58 | djr | hmm |
| 12:32.03 | djr | ibot: gcc arm |
| 12:32.04 | | djr: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:32.07 | djr | er |
| 12:32.13 | djr | where do you get the arm cross compiler? |
| 12:36.21 | djr | nvm |
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| 12:38.12 | cmartin | how do i get oe to just recompile my kernel - make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-simpad mrproper; make ? |
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| 13:16.12 | absentiaS | re |
| 13:55.21 | Twiun | cmartin: not sure, I've never had to recompile just the kernel |
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| 14:56.54 | Twiun | Ho. Hum. |
| 14:57.18 | Twiun | looks like I'm going to have to learn how to change the kernel key bindings :) |
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| 14:59.27 | bipolar | Hi everyone! |
| 14:59.34 | bipolar | Anything interesing happening? |
| 14:59.38 | Twiun | hey bipolar |
| 14:59.47 | Twiun | yeah, new sharp rom released for 5500's |
| 14:59.58 | bipolar | woot! |
| 15:00.24 | bipolar | Twiun: I guess that means that the new 2.4 kernel was released with it? |
| 15:00.32 | NetNut404_Work | /me thinks if it's a sharp rom, it can't be as good as oz |
| 15:00.42 | NetNut404_Work | stupid chat program |
| 15:00.53 | Twiun | bipolar: I believe so - but I've got no 5500 to test it on |
| 15:01.04 | Twiun | NetNut404_Work: lol, everyone last night agreed |
| 15:01.13 | bipolar | Twiun: you could still pull the image apart, right? |
| 15:01.16 | Twiun | NetNut404_Work: although there are apparently a few features that OZ could do with |
| 15:01.30 | Twiun | bipolar: yeah, but I honestly don't have the spare time |
| 15:01.41 | NetNut404_Work | I convinced my dad to buy a zaurus, and he got it last night.. now he's runnin OZ too :) |
| 15:03.03 | bipolar | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 15:03.04 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 9h 42m 50s ago, saying: 'i've built a buildroot in rh 8'. |
| 15:03.42 | Twiun | bipolar: today's his last day at work, so he'll probably be busy |
| 15:03.44 | bipolar | The last image I built just before I left home would not suspend via the button. |
| 15:04.13 | bipolar | I had to make an icon, while sitting that the airport, that ran 'apm -s' :) |
| 15:04.24 | bipolar | s/that/at |
| 15:04.27 | Twiun | if I'm in opie, it suspends fine |
| 15:04.35 | Twiun | but on the console... |
| 15:04.48 | Twiun | needs a soft boot before it's usable again |
| 15:04.53 | bipolar | Twiun: it was probbly fixed by now. |
| 15:05.09 | Twiun | bipolar: this is an image made last night |
| 15:05.16 | Twiun | bipolar: remember, I'm customising my own :) |
| 15:05.23 | bipolar | Twiun: heh |
| 15:05.42 | Twiun | so it looks like the kernel keybindings need some TLC |
| 15:05.49 | bipolar | I'be been using just gcc3 built images for a while now. |
| 15:06.09 | bipolar | now if I could just get my hands on a newer kernel with sd support. :) |
| 15:06.14 | Twiun | hehe |
| 15:06.20 | Twiun | I'm still on gcc2.95 |
| 15:06.27 | Twiun | as I have to use the Jeode from the sharp rom |
| 15:06.36 | bipolar | Twiun: ouch. |
| 15:07.09 | bipolar | My inlaws computer sucks ass |
| 15:07.31 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:07.48 | bipolar | the proc is fine (Duron something) but it's only got 64MB of ram and is running WinME. :p |
| 15:07.58 | bipolar | my zaurus is faster |
| 15:08.04 | Twiun | hahahaha |
| 15:08.48 | bipolar | I'm using screen to run my builds on the office server. Logging in via ssh on dialup. |
| 15:08.55 | bipolar | I hate dialup. |
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| 15:09.48 | Twiun | bipolar: I thankfully left dialup behind about 2 years ago |
| 15:09.55 | Twiun | hey chowells |
| 15:10.09 | chowells | hi Twiun |
| 15:10.18 | bipolar | Twiun: ditto. my inlaws, however, live in hickville. :p |
| 15:10.46 | Twiun | bipolar: trade the inlaws in for a new updated set? |
| 15:11.35 | bipolar | haha |
| 15:25.59 | bipolar | k.... I'm heading off for a bit. I'll check in later. |
| 15:31.38 | killefiz | cmartin: ping |
| 15:31.45 | treke | kergoth`zzz: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/download.html |
| 15:32.02 | treke | kergoth`zzz: that's what we need :) |
| 15:33.11 | Twiun | hey treke |
| 15:33.18 | treke | mornin twiun |
| 15:36.35 | cmartin | killefiz: pong |
| 15:37.19 | killefiz | cmartin: do you still have the jffs2 problem? |
| 15:38.04 | cmartin | killefiz: which problem do you mean - i do have a problem with it not compiling into the kernel |
| 15:38.32 | cmartin | killefiz: just downloaded your config to test with |
| 15:38.56 | killefiz | yes - that one: try disabling PPP support. Jffs2 conflicts with PPP Deflate compression |
| 15:39.05 | killefiz | (i don't know why that is) |
| 15:39.17 | killefiz | so disabling ppp deflate should be enough |
| 15:39.32 | cmartin | ok your config just compiled ok |
| 15:40.34 | killefiz | great - one step closer to world domination |
| 15:40.35 | cmartin | i made one change to your config - kernel command= "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=jffs2 console=ttySA mem=64M" |
| 15:41.23 | killefiz | hmm - rootfstype=jffs2 could be the option i was missing |
| 15:41.43 | killefiz | cmartin: how far are you from first boot tests? |
| 15:41.51 | cmartin | yes i think so too |
| 15:42.00 | cmartin | just a minute |
| 15:42.39 | killefiz | great - i'm trying to build openzaurus/ipaq at home. If I succeed i'll try the simpad stuff |
| 15:42.41 | cmartin | now that i have a kernel i can run flashimag again and see what happens |
| 15:43.13 | cmartin | ipaq worked for me - openipaq looks really good!! |
| 15:43.13 | treke | killefiz: just a warning. i dont know if the current buildroot boots |
| 15:43.18 | Twiun | talk about useless patches... example from the embedix kernel patch: |
| 15:43.21 | Twiun | -can_do_color ? "colour" : "mono", |
| 15:43.22 | Twiun | +can_do_color ? "color" : "mono", |
| 15:43.25 | treke | killefiz: no reason it shouldnt, but I havent tested a recent image |
| 15:43.45 | killefiz | treke: no problem ;) the ipaq is just a toy for me. |
| 15:43.50 | treke | hehe |
| 15:44.27 | treke | next build will have the new kernel and new alsa |
| 15:44.43 | killefiz | treke: i installed your image - only problem i have is that there is no (obvious) way to get any connection to the net. I don't have a pcmcia sleeve. Only the 3840. |
| 15:45.02 | treke | 3840? |
| 15:45.19 | killefiz | hmm - maybe 3870? |
| 15:45.30 | treke | you mean bluetooth? |
| 15:45.39 | killefiz | yes - it does have bt |
| 15:45.54 | treke | ah. Yeah, I didnt include bluetooth in the image |
| 15:46.33 | treke | ppp is on there, just doesnt work because opie blocks access to the serial terminal |
| 15:46.33 | killefiz | not having bt is not a problem. I don't have any other bt devices (except my mobile phone) - but does usb networking work? |
| 15:47.02 | treke | yes. USB networking is installed by default. It should run out of the box |
| 15:47.17 | treke | it's still as big a pain in the ass as always |
| 15:47.55 | killefiz | treke: as with the zaurus. But i'm not going to buy accessories for a toy i only borrowed for a couple of weeks. |
| 15:48.05 | treke | yup |
| 15:48.06 | killefiz | Maybe i should buy a bt-dongle for my pc. |
| 15:48.18 | killefiz | If I can find one that works under linux |
| 15:48.55 | treke | killefiz: apart from desktop environments, the big sticking point for linux pdas seems to be usb networking |
| 15:50.50 | killefiz | good - i have found a supported dongle on a local dealers website for 35 EUR. I'll pick one up on my way home. |
| 15:51.49 | cmartin | killefiz: i now have a jffs2 root disk on my SIMpad!!! JAHOO!!!!!! |
| 15:52.10 | killefiz | cmartin: that's the easy part - but does it boot? |
| 15:52.24 | cmartin | yes yes yes yes!!!!!! |
| 15:52.34 | killefiz | great!! |
| 15:52.50 | cmartin | i'm looking at the "Reconfiguring........." screen of oe now |
| 15:53.32 | cmartin | i'm working together with mickeyl to work all this into buildroot, the kernel is already in. |
| 15:53.34 | killefiz | is there a chance that it actually starts up opie? |
| 15:53.53 | cmartin | just be patient and i'll let you know |
| 15:53.59 | killefiz | ;) |
| 15:54.27 | treke | man I forgot how bad opie-handwriting was :) |
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| 15:56.16 | cmartin | killefiz: yes OPIE boots, but it seems my patch wasn't applied in buildroot - need to examine that |
| 15:56.43 | killefiz | cmartin: great news |
| 15:57.09 | killefiz | i'm very interested in a copy of your image as soon as you have fixed that patch problem |
| 15:57.26 | cmartin | killefiz: sorry, i know where the problem is - devfs didn't make symlinks from h3600_tsraw to /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 |
| 16:00.22 | killefiz | bbl |
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| 16:15.20 | treke | fuck. hostap broke again |
| 16:15.30 | SuKoShi | Zaurus SL-c750 & C760 |
| 16:15.44 | treke | ha |
| 16:17.33 | treke | oh wait. wrong buildroot |
| 16:17.39 | treke | I guess I should remove that one |
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| 16:56.06 | chouimat | hi |
| 16:56.36 | XavierXeon | hi |
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| 17:08.38 | lsmith | anyone played with the new sharp rom yet? |
| 17:09.26 | lsmith | http://community.zaurus.com/forum/forum.php?forum_id=29 |
| 17:11.41 | XavierXeon | lsmith: i did |
| 17:11.48 | lsmith | and? |
| 17:12.09 | XavierXeon | well i ripped out opera and flashed back to oz |
| 17:12.34 | lsmith | :-) |
| 17:12.57 | NetNut404_Work | is opera better than konqeror ? |
| 17:13.00 | XavierXeon | i am currently tryinng to get the new qtmail to work, but am very unsucessfull so far |
| 17:13.08 | XavierXeon | the new opera is better |
| 17:13.42 | NetNut404_Work | in what way? |
| 17:14.11 | XavierXeon | more otions, better scaling, full screnn mode and operas new small screnn mode |
| 17:14.18 | XavierXeon | options that is |
| 17:18.28 | chouimat | ~seen kergoth |
| 17:18.28 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 11h 58m 14s ago, saying: 'i've built a buildroot in rh 8'. |
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| 17:26.11 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 17:27.52 | zecke | mickeyl|away: kergoth`zzz ping |
| 17:28.04 | zecke | what is the next stable release of OZ and when is it scheduled? |
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| 17:35.28 | lsmith | i dont think there is a schedule yet zecke .. iirc 2.4.19 is scheduled for 3.4 |
| 17:36.21 | lsmith | whats the eta for opie 1.0? |
| 17:36.33 | lsmith | i hear you guys have a feature freeze |
| 17:43.03 | masticator | wazzup |
| 17:49.46 | masticator | man they had to pull out everything out of the old rom to make it work with the new software |
| 17:52.10 | treke | zecke|zZZzzz: 3-4 weeks for a testing image |
| 17:52.19 | treke | zecke|zZZzzz: Full release is at least 2 months off |
| 17:54.50 | chouimat | hmmmm the cad is at 0.730871usd |
| 17:55.29 | treke | bleh fsck is still broken |
| 17:58.33 | chouimat|away | bbl |
| 18:03.55 | Twiun | what makes the Z switch its lcd off after x minutes in console mode? |
| 18:04.23 | Twiun | ... it's not apmd, as I've killed that |
| 18:20.31 | treke | hrrm. preempt kernel is still a loser |
| 18:23.08 | treke | maybe I'll try hh13 before writing it off |
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| 18:51.44 | beattie | I just loaded up the new sharp rom image just for grins, I'd like to grab Opera before I wipe it out and reload OZ, can anybody point me to any notes or howtos? |
| 18:52.22 | mickeyl | beattie: no idea - but you might inspect the operacreator which IMHO is a script and look what files belong to opera |
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| 18:55.32 | ljp | holy cow! I deposited the coins in a jar... and it was 437.60 USD |
| 18:55.53 | ljp | that about paid for my laptop |
| 18:55.58 | ljp | hehehehee |
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| 18:58.01 | schurig | ljp: next time deposit your coins at the bank.Then you will be able to order the laptop case from the interest |
| 18:58.22 | schurig | :-) |
| 18:58.44 | ljp | I put all the change in a jar.. |
| 18:58.54 | ljp | if its in the bank, it gets spent |
| 19:06.40 | Smokie | I try to install libSDL on my SD, but it fails to install the symlinks (not permitted). But i am root when i use aqpkg or ? |
| 19:07.18 | ljp | your sd probably is not formatted as ext2 |
| 19:07.40 | Smokie | lol, could be |
| 19:07.47 | Smokie | i think its fat :-) |
| 19:08.02 | Smokie | thx |
| 19:13.06 | ljp | sure, just remember me when you get wealthy |
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| 19:17.04 | Smokie | ljp: i have ext2 on it, but the "medium inserted" dialog doent´s allow a "Link Apps" and installing SDL makes errors again ? |
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| 19:48.36 | mickeyl|tv | damn - what is the fastest way to get sshd running on a sharpROM again? |
| 19:54.33 | ljp | flash oz |
| 19:54.48 | mickeyl|tv | no |
| 19:55.02 | mickeyl|tv | at least someone is trying to get opie sharprom compatible again... |
| 19:55.03 | ljp | :) |
| 19:55.31 | ljp | good |
| 19:55.47 | ljp | I woul dhelp, but they have not yet released a 5000d rom |
| 19:55.50 | Smokie | where is F5 on the Z keyboard ? |
| 19:59.12 | ljp | domt think there is |
| 20:01.10 | Smokie | and how can i save my monkey island game :-() |
| 20:01.40 | yeiazel | use the "home" key |
| 20:02.05 | yeiazel | but it didn't work with the libsdl that came with oz3.1rc3.1, didn't try with oz3.2 |
| 20:02.35 | yeiazel | Alexandre Courbot has recompiled a libsdl which supports correctly the menu keys, but I don't remember where to find them |
| 20:03.04 | Smokie | ohh, home works :-) |
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| 20:03.19 | Smokie | i got libSDL from his page |
| 20:04.19 | yeiazel | ok |
| 20:04.20 | yeiazel | :)) |
| 20:06.19 | mickeyl|tv | mmh - i really wonder why they compiled rmk7-pxa3-embedix for the 5500... |
| 20:11.48 | ljp | lazy |
| 20:12.06 | mickeyl|tv | yeah |
| 20:12.22 | ljp | I hope its not 6 months before the 5000d update |
| 20:13.05 | mickeyl|tv | that would be a shame - without the developers for the 5000d they would have had much less support for the Z |
| 20:13.17 | mickeyl|tv | so they should give 'em something back |
| 20:13.28 | ljp | it was 6 months after the last 5500 update that the 5000d got caught up |
| 20:14.09 | ljp | the last 5500 update was June 2002 |
| 20:25.35 | killefiz | anyone here using ccache to compile the buildroot? |
| 20:27.15 | mickeyl|tv | yup |
| 20:28.08 | killefiz | mickeyl|tv: it seems ccache does use the i386 gcc and not the crosscompiler on my machine |
| 20:28.26 | mickeyl|tv | killefiz: depends on how you installed ccache |
| 20:28.29 | mickeyl|tv | there are two methods |
| 20:28.47 | killefiz | mickeyl|tv: all i did was install the debian package |
| 20:29.13 | mickeyl|tv | mmh... no idea what they do |
| 20:30.08 | mickeyl|tv | in buildroot ccache is called and then the compiler so its not likely that ccache calls another binary except when it is linked to, but then again the command line wouldn't work |
| 20:30.18 | mickeyl|tv | check menuconfig if you enabled the right target architecture |
| 20:31.03 | killefiz | i see this while it builds: /usr/bin/ccache g++ |
| 20:31.08 | killefiz | and that doesn't look right |
| 20:31.25 | mickeyl|tv | why? |
| 20:31.29 | mickeyl|tv | what are you building? |
| 20:31.48 | mickeyl|tv | if there is /usr/bin/ccache g++ then the buildroot is not properly configured - has nothing to do with ccache |
| 20:32.07 | killefiz | buid arch is "ARM" |
| 20:32.22 | killefiz | i mean: target arch is "ARM" |
| 20:32.33 | mickeyl|tv | is this a freshly cloned buildroot? |
| 20:32.42 | killefiz | mickeyl|tv: a day or two old |
| 20:33.05 | mickeyl|tv | hmm... strange - worked before? |
| 20:33.11 | killefiz | no |
| 20:33.50 | mickeyl|tv | i had something similar once before |
| 20:34.01 | mickeyl|tv | try switching from ARM to something else in menuconfig then switch back and save |
| 20:34.06 | mickeyl|tv | then retry |
| 20:35.47 | killefiz | didn't help - i'm deleting ccache to see if it works witouth it |
| 20:36.17 | mickeyl|tv | k |
| 20:36.42 | mickeyl|tv | killefiz: btw., chris built the first OE-image for simpad which actually booted today |
| 20:36.47 | mickeyl|tv | we are progressing... |
| 20:36.48 | mickeyl|tv | :) |
| 20:36.56 | djr|w | this probably isnt the channel to ask but ive asked in a lot of other places ;) so... anyone here good with xhtml 1.1 and css1/2... theres no <center> tag... so what css property replaces it? text-align only aligns text... not tables and so on... so what would i use? |
| 20:37.24 | yeiazel | there's no real replacement |
| 20:37.28 | yeiazel | there are hacks... |
| 20:37.29 | killefiz | mickeyl|tv: yes - i've heard it - great news |
| 20:37.58 | killefiz | are there still changes pending or is everyting in buildroot already so that i could try building an image myself? |
| 20:38.31 | yeiazel | djr|w: I have an url only in french :/ |
| 20:39.03 | djr|w | yeiazel: thats fine |
| 20:39.07 | yeiazel | ok |
| 20:39.15 | yeiazel | http://openweb.eu.org/articles/initiation_centrage/ |
| 20:39.31 | djr|w | i would use divs cause then i wouldnt need alignment... but this isnt for me... |
| 20:39.34 | djr|w | i use divs on my own website |
| 20:40.25 | yeiazel | :) |
| 20:40.39 | yeiazel | divs should always be used, everywhere :) |
| 20:40.40 | mickeyl|tv | killefiz: changes pending. chris doesn't have a bk account yet, so all actual changes are filtered by me and since he got the image working he did get back to me and said he must write all necessary changes down so that i can review and commit. hopefully this weekend |
| 20:41.10 | killefiz | good - i guess i'm busy this weekend trying to build the ipaq image ;) |
| 20:41.24 | djr|w | yeiazel: my site is http://inexistent.com/ |
| 20:42.36 | yeiazel | there's a pb on your website. Let's talk about it in query, this isn't the appropriate chan |
| 20:44.13 | djr|w | sure |
| 20:53.07 | killefiz | mickeyl|tv: seems to work after reinstalling ccache - very strange |
| 20:54.20 | mickeyl|tv | sometimes its not computer science but magic :-D |
| 20:54.31 | mickeyl|tv | s/its/it's |
| 20:57.35 | yeiazel | aren't these synonyms ? |
| 20:57.58 | yeiazel | I always though computer science was the same as magic... |
| 20:58.05 | mickeyl|tv | for some people it is |
| 20:58.10 | mickeyl|tv | it shouldn't for guys like us |
| 20:58.18 | mickeyl|tv | but sometimes it is |
| 21:00.21 | yeiaway | 'night |
| 21:01.38 | mickeyl|tv | argh... still the old ipkg on the sharprom 3.1 |
| 21:01.40 | mickeyl|tv | *sigh* |
| 21:02.43 | mickeyl|tv | argh... still no wireless extensions |
| 21:03.07 | killefiz | mickeyl|tv: what hast been changed? |
| 21:03.29 | mickeyl|tv | killefiz: a few things are great - the new opera, a networkapplet, the documents tab |
| 21:03.41 | mickeyl|tv | killefiz: but then again a lot of the same old crap is still there |
| 21:04.08 | mickeyl|tv | feels pretty fast though thanks to the 2.4.18 |
| 21:04.15 | killefiz | 2.4.18? |
| 21:04.19 | mickeyl|tv | Linux 2.4.18 |
| 21:04.56 | killefiz | wow |
| 21:06.27 | killefiz | the ipaq i have feels much faster than the zaurus. Probably also because of the newer kernel. |
| 21:06.39 | tronical | mickeyl|tv: for which device is that rom with .18? |
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| 21:07.48 | mickeyl|tv | tronical: SL5500(G) |
| 21:07.56 | tronical | mickeyl|tv: ohh |
| 21:08.12 | mickeyl|tv | killefiz: yes. the preempt-patches will make it even better on our kernel |
| 21:23.29 | killefiz | mickeyl|tv: any idea on this error?: |
| 21:23.39 | mickeyl|tv | what error? |
| 21:23.40 | killefiz | File /home/sven/ipaq/buildroot-oz/build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-simpad.patch does not exist |
| 21:23.51 | killefiz | i'm _not_ compiling for simpad |
| 21:24.01 | mickeyl|tv | sureß |
| 21:24.02 | mickeyl|tv | ? |
| 21:24.11 | mickeyl|tv | pretty sure? |
| 21:24.32 | killefiz | aahhhhhhh |
| 21:24.36 | mickeyl|tv | hehe |
| 21:24.42 | killefiz | who changed target machine to simpad? |
| 21:24.46 | mickeyl|tv | your mind |
| 21:24.48 | mickeyl|tv | haha |
| 21:24.55 | mickeyl|tv | you want it so bad... |
| 21:25.02 | mickeyl|tv | that it were so |
| 21:25.14 | killefiz | probably - but i'm not yet ready for it |
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| 21:34.26 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 21:34.34 | AndyQ | evening everyone |
| 21:37.31 | mickeyl|tv | well... finally after a lot of work I built a libopie1 for the SharpROM |
| 21:38.08 | mickeyl|tv | which means we can do a SharpROM feed when we release 1.0 |
| 21:38.12 | mickeyl|tv | I'm off for tonite |
| 21:38.14 | mickeyl|tv | c'ya |
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| 21:45.36 | cmartin | killefiz: ping |
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| 22:00.29 | masticator | wazza. |
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| 22:07.26 | tronical | hm, what was the trick with the the dependency problem of kernel-modules on this vfat thing? |
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| 22:47.39 | kenb | kergoth: my Paao arrived. I was right - customs was quite intereested. |
| 22:47.50 | kenb | they ripped the packaging into pieces. |
| 22:47.56 | kenb | Padao, rather. |
| 22:48.16 | kenb | However, it seems to have arrived with no markings. |
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| 23:08.04 | tronical | ibot lart package deps |
| 23:11.53 | tronical | mickeyl: ping |
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| 23:12.49 | mickeyl | yawn |
| 23:12.50 | mickeyl | pong |
| 23:13.18 | tronical | mickeyl: can I bug you with an oz build problem? :) |
| 23:13.36 | mickeyl | do it quick before i fall asleep again |
| 23:13.37 | mickeyl | :) |
| 23:14.51 | tronical | mickeyl: having trouble with make image. after I worked around the vfat-module-dependency thing I'm running into libopieobex1 depending on qpf-bitstream-vera, provided by the -full and -light packages, with the -light being selected for installation in .config, but ipkg barfs. seen this before? |
| 23:15.08 | mickeyl | yeah i think so |
| 23:15.39 | mickeyl | tronical: check output/ipks - there should be both vera packages. ipkg is dumb - remove one |
| 23:16.25 | tronical | mickeyl: ahhh, thanks! (what's the right trick for the vfat problem btw? (just want to be sure I did the right workaround :) |
| 23:16.33 | mickeyl | vfat? |
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| 23:16.49 | tronical | kernle-modules depending on foo-modules-vfat and ipkg not being able to satisfy the dependency |
| 23:17.04 | kergoth | ipkg-make-kernel-packages bug, vi output/ipks/Packages and remove the dep :) |
| 23:17.26 | mickeyl | ah - no idea on that - i was being rude and added -force-depends to the rules in output/Makefile |
| 23:18.10 | tronical | kergoth: ahh! |
| 23:18.15 | tronical | muchos gracias guys :) |
| 23:18.19 | mickeyl | np :) |
| 23:19.03 | mickeyl | anyone an idea who i can diff two directories - one of them is in cvs - without diff reporting all the $Id stuff and that |
| 23:19.04 | mickeyl | ? |
| 23:19.07 | mickeyl | s/who/how |
| 23:19.43 | mickeyl | background: the simpad guys have their kernel in cvs and i want to generate a diff against the standard-linux kernel, but i get all those crappy $id stuff in diff output |
| 23:20.05 | kergoth | you can check it out without it doing the substitudtions |
| 23:20.08 | tronical | mickeyl: passing -I Id to diff might help (not sure, but I think I used it like that in the past) |
| 23:20.54 | tronical | hmmm, new prelink upstream... |
| 23:21.10 | kergoth | really? |
| 23:21.25 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:21.45 | masticator | yo goth. |
| 23:21.54 | kergoth | hey |
| 23:22.02 | tronical | damn, no upstream changelog ;( |
| 23:22.03 | kergoth | no more digi! |
| 23:22.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:22.10 | masticator | congrats |
| 23:22.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:22.20 | masticator | so get the blasted 56 to work |
| 23:22.24 | kergoth | i have a lotta shit to get done |
| 23:22.38 | masticator | also we need an extraction script for the Sharp Rom apps from the new rom |
| 23:22.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:22.59 | kergoth | need a netfront creator for c700/b500 as well |
| 23:26.04 | sonix` | the new zaurii look sexy |
| 23:26.29 | mickeyl | c760 is spiffy.... 128 MB Flash and 64 MB at last... |
| 23:26.48 | mickeyl | Sugar: convert 70000 yen to EUR |
| 23:26.49 | masticator | yeah I saw the prototype |
| 23:26.53 | masticator | befopre I left Sharp |
| 23:27.06 | masticator | the US version has a different name |
| 23:27.18 | masticator | that is if it ever gets produced for the US |
| 23:27.32 | masticator | sharp has still not decided on it yet |
| 23:29.43 | Neo|Work | It would be a killer PDA, especially with the VGA adapter. :) |
| 23:30.28 | tronical | hmmrhm |
| 23:30.28 | sonix` | mickeyl, thats the expected price? |
| 23:30.43 | mickeyl | sonix`: read it somewhere, yeah |
| 23:30.50 | sonix` | thats about 700 USD |
| 23:30.50 | mickeyl | what is 70000 yen in real units? :-D |
| 23:30.55 | sonix` | www.xe.com |
| 23:30.56 | mickeyl | ah |
| 23:31.06 | mickeyl | sounds like a pretty good price |
| 23:31.08 | mickeyl | for the hw |
| 23:31.09 | sonix` | yes indeed |
| 23:31.12 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 700 jpy in usd |
| 23:31.14 | Sugar | 700 JPY is 5.9916115 US$ |
| 23:31.15 | Neo|Work | oops |
| 23:31.16 | sonix` | i wanna return my 5500 now |
| 23:31.17 | sonix` | hehe |
| 23:31.18 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 70000 jpy in usd |
| 23:31.21 | Sugar | 70000 JPY is 599.16113 US$ |
| 23:31.22 | tronical | hrm, flashing current opie build brought up a '(none) login:' with a disfunctional system ;-( |
| 23:31.31 | mickeyl | tronical: welcome on board. |
| 23:31.35 | mickeyl | tronical: same here. |
| 23:31.37 | sonix` | lol |
| 23:31.45 | tronical | mickeyl: phew, glad to hear it's not a local problem then :) |
| 23:31.54 | masticator | tronical: youre working on Konq/E again now? |
| 23:32.08 | mickeyl | tronical: something along sysinit or oz-base broke in the last 6 weeks since kergoth actively maintained :-D |
| 23:32.17 | tronical | masticator: I just made a new tarball because of a crash fix and a security fixlet |
| 23:32.40 | tronical | masticator: I tested on x86 but can't test on arm because of the above ;( |
| 23:32.49 | masticator | yeah, we really need to go to Qt/e 3.x to reap the benefits of the new KHTML |
| 23:33.06 | mickeyl | we WILL after 1.0 |
| 23:33.09 | mickeyl | I WILL after 1.0 |
| 23:33.13 | masticator | at some point we have to |
| 23:33.14 | sonix` | whats nods nods? |
| 23:33.18 | mickeyl | some will be pissed but i doesn't care |
| 23:33.19 | masticator | we have to bite the bullet |
| 23:33.25 | masticator | kill backwards compatability |
| 23:33.26 | mickeyl | yep |
| 23:33.28 | mickeyl | to move on |
| 23:33.52 | mickeyl | Qt3.1 + gcc 3.3 + kernel 2.4.19 sounds pretty good imho |
| 23:33.53 | masticator | personally I think we need to do away with qtopia altogether |
| 23:34.03 | masticator | and go to a pure QT 3.x environment |
| 23:34.06 | masticator | rebuilt lancher |
| 23:34.11 | masticator | kill libqpe |
| 23:34.20 | masticator | make libopie into a mini-kde libs |
| 23:34.32 | mickeyl | masticator: i already layed out the foundations for that with libopie2 |
| 23:34.40 | mickeyl | now we just must move along this road |
| 23:34.46 | masticator | mickey: you should be talking to Ben about that |
| 23:34.54 | masticator | icefox |
| 23:34.56 | mickeyl | why? |
| 23:35.13 | masticator | because he is going to reimplement the launcher with mandrake |
| 23:35.32 | masticator | and we are looking to start a company to rebuild the entire gui |
| 23:35.33 | tronical | mickeyl: does kergoth know about the boot problem? |
| 23:35.37 | mickeyl | d'oh. and kergoth started implementing a mini qws-server ... hmm... it's diverging again :( |
| 23:35.52 | mickeyl | tronical: no idea - didn't report it to him yet because of his busy'ness - please do |
| 23:35.58 | mickeyl | and i will confirm :) |
| 23:36.02 | tronical | ok ;) |
| 23:36.08 | masticator | the more we are dependent on qtopia's architecture the more we screw ourselves |
| 23:36.14 | masticator | the whole thing needs to be redesigned |
| 23:36.24 | masticator | it was a shitty foundation to begin with |
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| 23:37.11 | masticator | if I am to throw money at this by hiring programmers and such I want all of qtopia and OPIE as it stands done away with |
| 23:37.43 | masticator | the applications themselves are good, Qtopia itself is a piece of shit |
| 23:39.00 | sonix` | :) |
| 23:39.27 | masticator | the whole damn thing needs to re re-thought out |
| 23:39.44 | masticator | and we should have an international summit to determine the future of the whole architecture |
| 23:39.56 | masticator | otherwise we allow Trolltech to determine our fate |
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| 23:40.57 | mithro | the Zaurus community is to small to be split by non-compatibility between sharp and oz roms |
| 23:41.13 | masticator | mithro: it aint about the zaurus anymore. |
| 23:41.22 | masticator | it hasnt been about the zaurus for quite some time. |
| 23:41.37 | masticator | the zaurus is a testing platform. thats it. |
| 23:41.51 | masticator | OE cannot be driven by Sharp |
| 23:42.34 | masticator | as it is the PXA chip itself to be fully optimized has to break binary compatability |
| 23:42.41 | masticator | if we move to GCC 3.x |
| 23:42.58 | masticator | right now we are running totally unoptimized software on the PXA |
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| 23:43.26 | masticator | mithro, we agonized over this internally at sharp when I was thre |
| 23:43.41 | masticator | I told them to break compatability with the 5600 and go GCC 3.x |
| 23:44.02 | masticator | they beleived that it would have hurt the zaurus, I think they hurt themselves more by not doing |
| 23:44.10 | masticator | the user base is rediculously small |
| 23:44.18 | masticator | no point in worrying about compatability |
| 23:44.59 | mithro | masticator: yeah, the user base is tiny so anything that fragments them is going to make it less attractive to developers |
| 23:45.25 | masticator | mithro: the developer base is non existent now |
| 23:45.33 | masticator | anything we do now improves the situation |
| 23:45.38 | masticator | sharp killed its developer base |
| 23:45.51 | mithro | recompiling with a diffrent compiler is a huge diffrence to between having to rewrite an app |
| 23:46.00 | masticator | we have to think about what the future PDA linux platform is |
| 23:46.08 | masticator | not concern ourselves with current hardware |
| 23:46.27 | masticator | at best the Sharp PDA's will be hardware we can run this OS on |
| 23:46.45 | masticator | if they survive going forward we should consider ourselves lucky and it being an added bonus |
| 23:46.56 | masticator | I am not taking bets on their behalf at this point |
| 23:47.00 | masticator | I know WAY too much. |
| 23:47.39 | mithro | OE can run any programs compile for OZ (in theory) as long as it has a strong arm processor... |
| 23:48.01 | masticator | mithro: but that provides we use the same toolchain as the zaurus |
| 23:48.04 | masticator | which is antiquated |
| 23:48.43 | masticator | if we are to move forward we have to use a newer toolchain |
| 23:48.45 | masticator | and newer libraries |
| 23:48.57 | masticator | sharp is not moving forward |
| 23:48.58 | mithro | you can install compatibility packages, as i have done on my c700 which is 3.2 compiled |
| 23:49.12 | masticator | its ugly |
| 23:50.08 | mithro | masticator: how is it ugly? i don't think to many users care if it's "ugly" if it lets them run about triple the applications |
| 23:50.23 | mithro | masticator: if your theroy is right why is not everyone using picoGUI on OE? |
| 23:50.37 | masticator | because PicoGUI is totally inappropriate |
| 23:50.39 | masticator | its not mature |
| 23:50.52 | masticator | Qtopia is the only game in town |
| 23:51.02 | mithro | neither would anything you write? |
| 23:51.04 | masticator | that doesnt make it any less a peice of garbage |
| 23:51.18 | masticator | mithro: Qtopia was designed in about 3 weeks |
| 23:51.25 | masticator | over a summer vacation |
| 23:51.33 | mithro | i'm not saying that Qtopia isn't crap |
| 23:51.40 | masticator | I am talking about spending a year of development effort, financed, with a staff of programmers |
| 23:51.49 | masticator | qtopia was built by ONE GUY in 3 weeks |
| 23:52.44 | masticator | the bottom line we should not build on top of crap |
| 23:52.45 | mithro | masticator: Qtopia might be a pile of shit, but unless you keep a way to have compatibility with it, it makes your new thing very less attractive... |
| 23:52.48 | masticator | we should do it right |
| 23:53.01 | masticator | mithro: as long as we stay QT, the source can be migrated |
| 23:53.28 | masticator | a compatibility layer can be made, but going forward its not a viable soultion |
| 23:53.30 | tronical | masticator: maybe the very first pim demo (the single-build thing) they showed at early fairs, yes, but certainly not the product sold |
| 23:53.33 | masticator | its a band aid |
| 23:54.01 | mithro | source migration isn't good enough, if i can't install a "compatibility" lib i loose all my access to my current apps |
| 23:54.02 | masticator | tronical: the first rev put into the zaurus was built in about 3 months |
| 23:54.26 | tronical | masticator: that's a lot more than 3 weeks, and it involved more people than just one :) |
| 23:54.28 | masticator | mitro: any large scale effort like this will have a build tree |
| 23:54.31 | mithro | until the majority is ported you kill your new lib because nobody adopts it |
| 23:54.42 | masticator | tronical: 1 senior programmer and 2 or 3 interns |
| 23:55.04 | masticator | mithro OE already builds several hundred apps for its feeds |
| 23:55.08 | mithro | i'm talking things like "theKompany"'s products, Jeod, Opera/Netfront etc... |
| 23:55.10 | tronical | masticator: not on the TT side though |
| 23:55.20 | masticator | no reason why we couldnt imprort the majority of the stuff out there |
| 23:55.55 | masticator | mithro: and all that commercial zaurus stuff isnt going to mean dick if there isnt a zaurus to run it on. |
| 23:56.32 | masticator | Shawn can rebuild his apps |
| 23:56.40 | masticator | so can many of the others |
| 23:56.51 | masticator | we're not talking about major recoding efforts here |
| 23:57.44 | mithro | masticator: maybe you can do it, but i think you are shooting yourself in the foot if you don't support the current set of apps |
| 23:58.10 | mithro | masticator: "major rewrites" and "doing things right" tend to die to the wrong things which work now and have the app support |
| 23:58.55 | masticator | mithro: any new focused effort would need a build tree. We'd have the source code. |
| 23:58.58 | mithro | NOW being the important word |
| 23:59.50 | masticator | the only stuff that we would not have source to would be the commercial apps |