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| 01:19.44 | beattie | anybody know what the newest kernel that will run on the Z is, sitll 2.4.6? |
| 01:20.09 | bipolar | beattie: yes |
| 01:20.23 | bipolar | beattie: 2.4.19 is not finished yet |
| 01:21.31 | beattie | I'm hopeing to get the SPI info to port the MMC driver...trying to decide what to look at in the mean time |
| 01:22.14 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: .19 soon |
| 01:22.24 | TheMasterMind1 | beattie: read openzaurus.org news |
| 01:24.31 | treke|laptop | beattie: your probably best off woking against .19 |
| 01:25.12 | beattie | treke|laptop: does it boot? and were are the OZ patches? |
| 01:25.47 | treke|laptop | you can try building it out of bitkeeper |
| 01:27.53 | beattie | treke|laptop: which bk repository? |
| 01:28.17 | treke|laptop | the oz one |
| 01:28.42 | treke|laptop | dunno if it builds or not, but it can point you in the right direction |
| 01:29.10 | beattie | I'll see if I can figure out how to grab it |
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| 02:18.38 | chouimat | hi |
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| 02:21.07 | Speedy2 | HEy |
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| 02:47.19 | chouimat | anyone home? |
| 02:50.10 | chouimat | sonix`: hehe |
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| 02:51.44 | sonix` | :) |
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| 03:02.43 | noda | Moo! |
| 03:02.53 | masticator | wazupp. |
| 03:03.37 | noda | Studying for Cal exam. My head's about to explode. |
| 03:04.19 | chouimat | hi noda ljp masticator |
| 03:04.25 | noda | chouimat: moo |
| 03:04.39 | chouimat | noda: another 3 days of rain :( |
| 03:04.52 | noda | chouimat: I was outside today when the downpour was worst. It was AWESOME :) |
| 03:05.05 | masticator | I hate rain |
| 03:05.17 | noda | Ran across the street to beat a traffic light and my arm got away from my umbrella -- my coat sleeve was SOAKED by the time I got across :P |
| 03:05.20 | noda | (2 lanes) |
| 03:05.31 | chouimat | me too, 1h30 of walk under the rain because I forgot my wallet ... |
| 03:05.40 | noda | Ooh ick |
| 03:05.59 | noda | I had a craving for a Dagwood's sandwich. It's 5 blocks away, I took metro to save 3 blocks' walk :) |
| 03:06.10 | chouimat | noda: to find out I got a power outage today ... |
| 03:06.21 | noda | chouimat: You too? |
| 03:06.23 | masticator | noda: this is why I keep a lot of cold cuts inhouse. |
| 03:06.24 | noda | Oh, mine's tomorrow |
| 03:06.35 | noda | masticator: You've obviously never had a Dagwood's sandwich :) |
| 03:06.48 | chouimat | noda: lol |
| 03:06.51 | noda | :) |
| 03:06.56 | masticator | noda: I buy my cold cuts in the italian section of the south bronx. |
| 03:07.07 | kergoth`bbl | oops |
| 03:07.07 | noda | chouimat: Ever have a Dagwood's sandwich? I think it's Montreal-only, but it might be in Quebec |
| 03:07.08 | masticator | allow me to demonstrate. |
| 03:07.15 | noda | masticator: Ah, nice. Still... |
| 03:07.20 | masticator | kergoth`bbl: did the 56 get there mangled? |
| 03:07.26 | chouimat | masticator: did you get a good supply of pringles? |
| 03:07.27 | noda | masticator: Dagwood's slices the meat in front of your eyes. And their secret sauce is very tasty. |
| 03:07.32 | chouimat | noda: did in montreal |
| 03:07.34 | kergoth`bbl | i just made use of unreasonable acceleration and cut off a cop |
| 03:07.36 | noda | chouimat: :) |
| 03:07.42 | kergoth`bbl | thank god it was just a community services bitch |
| 03:07.45 | noda | kergoth`bbl: rofl |
| 03:07.52 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 03:07.58 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: tsk tsk tsk |
| 03:08.01 | treke|laptop | kergoth`bbl: hahaha |
| 03:08.04 | noda | OOH OOH! ffmpeg has native SVQ3 decoding! Yay! |
| 03:08.27 | kergoth`bbl | treke|laptop: adrenaline is my favorite drug |
| 03:08.29 | kergoth`bbl | treke|laptop: ;) |
| 03:08.31 | chouimat | noda: wait 2minutes before dancing I'm going to go in another room |
| 03:08.32 | kergoth`bbl | masticator: its fine |
| 03:08.42 | masticator | http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=19774& |
| 03:08.52 | masticator | check out THOSE cold cuts and sandwiches. |
| 03:08.56 | noda | Hehehe |
| 03:09.00 | masticator | I buy from that place every other week or so. |
| 03:09.04 | kergoth`bbl | noda: dont argue food with masticator |
| 03:09.06 | kergoth`bbl | noda: you'll lose :) |
| 03:09.10 | noda | lol |
| 03:09.17 | masticator | kergoth: you got OZ running on it yet? |
| 03:09.27 | kergoth | masticator: naw I've been slackin |
| 03:09.27 | noda | ...wow... |
| 03:09.48 | masticator | http://www.egullet.com/pics/arthurave/_yankee2.JPG |
| 03:09.52 | masticator | THAT is a sandwich. |
| 03:09.54 | noda | Dagwood's doesn't look that exciting any more :) |
| 03:10.37 | treke|laptop | masticator: I hate you |
| 03:10.49 | noda | lol |
| 03:10.55 | masticator | that kind of food is one of the few reasons I still live in this part of the country |
| 03:10.56 | kergoth | hah, i was about to mutter about my lowly arby's sitting here |
| 03:11.22 | masticator | kergoth: Dallas is probably an improvement over where you live |
| 03:11.36 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.42 | kergoth | whether it is or not i'm looking forward to a change |
| 03:11.46 | kergoth | in general |
| 03:11.47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:11.50 | chouimat | masticator: I don't why but I want a smoked meat sandwich NOW :) |
| 03:12.05 | masticator | we had a whole discussion on smoke meat |
| 03:12.26 | noda | Ooh, we have a good smoked meat place in Montreal too :) |
| 03:12.29 | noda | Schwartz's :) |
| 03:12.36 | chouimat | noda: still open? |
| 03:12.42 | noda | chouimat: Bet not. |
| 03:13.10 | chouimat | noda: I heard that schwartz's closed for good ... but maybe I'm wrong |
| 03:13.13 | masticator | http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=20329 |
| 03:13.24 | masticator | an entire discussion about NY Pastrami versus Canadian Smoke Meat. |
| 03:13.30 | masticator | and where the best is. |
| 03:13.31 | noda | lol |
| 03:13.48 | noda | chouimat: I last went there around 8 months ago, but I don't think they'd be closed... |
| 03:13.57 | beattie | kergoth: is there source available for the 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 03:14.21 | kergoth | beattie: linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 03:14.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: any idea where onyx4 dissapeared to? |
| 03:14.43 | chouimat | masticator: I know a very good place here ... maple smoked eat |
| 03:14.50 | kergoth | no idea |
| 03:14.55 | noda | :) |
| 03:15.06 | absentiaS | Kergoth, Hi this is Scott's wife. did you talk him onto getting that C700 ? |
| 03:15.16 | noda | masticator: Yeah, you can't beat ME for connections for maple syrup! |
| 03:15.17 | masticator | noda we have an entire BBS dedicated to food in montreal |
| 03:15.23 | noda | masticator: Ooh, cool |
| 03:15.30 | masticator | the head of our canadian board is the food writer for the Gazette |
| 03:15.33 | kergoth | absentiaS: not that I recall |
| 03:15.34 | treke|laptop | uh oh. kergoth is in trouble :) |
| 03:15.40 | kergoth | treke|laptop: what else is new? |
| 03:16.08 | noda | Montreal has good food. |
| 03:16.11 | noda | masticator: Ooh cool :) |
| 03:16.15 | masticator | http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?act=SF&f=73& |
| 03:16.17 | noda | masticator: What *is* this board, anyway? |
| 03:16.21 | masticator | thats all canada. |
| 03:16.27 | chouimat | kergoth: that good to know .... I will use your nick next time I need a justification to buy sometthing :) |
| 03:16.35 | kergoth | ~lart chouimat |
| 03:16.37 | masticator | also, one of our members runs food.muvment.com, which is a site all about food in canada |
| 03:16.41 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 03:16.44 | absentiaS | Kergoth he spent a whole lot of money on that thing |
| 03:16.46 | masticator | but its nowhere as big as eGullet |
| 03:17.12 | absentiaS | and he's glued to it now |
| 03:17.15 | noda | Wow, I'm gonna bookmark *this* board, seems like a really great thing when I gotta know where to go :) |
| 03:17.19 | chouimat | huh? pringle at 1.00$ at walmart thist week |
| 03:17.32 | kergoth | absentiaS: yep, I know. It is about the niftiest PDA currently available though. |
| 03:17.37 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:18.20 | absentiaS | my name is Denise |
| 03:18.23 | kergoth | note: scott's wife probably doesnt care about niftiness. but damnit, it is! |
| 03:18.26 | kergoth | ah, hi denise |
| 03:18.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:18.33 | masticator | actually pringles I found 50 cents a can if you bought the six packs at Costco |
| 03:18.42 | kergoth | masticator: stocking up? |
| 03:18.50 | masticator | yes, for armageddon. |
| 03:18.54 | chouimat | masticator: got a supply for 2 years? |
| 03:18.56 | masticator | Torengos suck though |
| 03:19.04 | masticator | I only bought a can to test. |
| 03:19.13 | kergoth | do they? havent tried them |
| 03:19.23 | noda | Hrm, I think I can add my advice to one of these boards :) |
| 03:19.28 | masticator | I have 2 dozen cans of pringles, I am not sure if that is enough |
| 03:19.29 | chouimat | Foster taste like kkangooroo pisse |
| 03:19.44 | kergoth | my place is totally unstocked of both alcohol and food |
| 03:19.46 | kergoth | good time to move |
| 03:19.51 | masticator | chouimat: yeah, the beer board needs work |
| 03:19.55 | masticator | we need more experts on there |
| 03:19.57 | kergoth | course my last weeks involve lots of ramen and very little alcohol |
| 03:20.30 | chouimat | masticator: hehe I just found out that I can'rt have the best beer I tasted anymore here .... time to move |
| 03:20.35 | kergoth | masticator: talk to dave.. (prpplague) |
| 03:21.00 | kergoth | he's the resident beer connesseur |
| 03:21.05 | masticator | cool |
| 03:21.28 | chouimat | kergoth: If you can get your hand on a bottle of De Koningshoeven La Trappe Quadrupel don't think get the bottle |
| 03:21.39 | kergoth | chouimat: ill keep that in mind |
| 03:21.46 | masticator | kergoth: ramen is ok, but it really needs to be tweaked |
| 03:21.47 | chouimat | kergoth: very nice 10 % beer ... |
| 03:21.55 | masticator | I like the korean ramen brands |
| 03:22.02 | masticator | they are half the price and have better flavors |
| 03:22.33 | chouimat | kergoth: that beer got nice little fruit accents and you don't notice the alcohol |
| 03:22.53 | masticator | I need to taste more beers |
| 03:22.56 | chouimat | but that foster is simply "degeulasse" |
| 03:23.04 | chouimat | masticator: like trappist beer? |
| 03:23.06 | masticator | I'm much more of a wine and hard alcohol person |
| 03:23.15 | kergoth | I havent found a beer I really like yet |
| 03:23.17 | masticator | chouimat: I've had a few |
| 03:23.17 | kergoth | masticator: same here |
| 03:23.37 | masticator | I like some of the belgian ones |
| 03:23.39 | chouimat | masticator: de koningshoeven are the best trappist beer I tasted yet |
| 03:23.46 | chouimat | masticator: dutch |
| 03:24.06 | masticator | lately I have been drinking a lot of Czech |
| 03:24.10 | masticator | lagers |
| 03:24.25 | chouimat | light-years away from Heinenkein |
| 03:24.37 | chouimat | masticator: Czechvar? |
| 03:24.39 | masticator | I like Budweiser Budvar |
| 03:24.40 | masticator | yes |
| 03:24.43 | masticator | same |
| 03:24.50 | chouimat | masticator: that one is good |
| 03:25.39 | masticator | as far as bock beers go, we have some really good ones in the US now |
| 03:25.46 | chouimat | it seem it will be harder to get good imported beer in Quebec |
| 03:25.47 | masticator | like the brooklyn dark chocolate stout |
| 03:25.52 | masticator | I have a case of that |
| 03:26.08 | chouimat | masticator: I need to get one of them |
| 03:26.23 | masticator | yeah, its hard to get it here too |
| 03:26.29 | masticator | limited production, made during christmas |
| 03:26.42 | masticator | they really should add it to their regular lineup |
| 03:26.51 | masticator | its better than guineess |
| 03:26.54 | masticator | in my opinion |
| 03:27.17 | chouimat | masticator: I tried a nice local beer but the second time I bouught one the beer tasted like shit ... they don't have a good QA yet :( |
| 03:27.38 | chouimat | or a good brewer |
| 03:28.04 | ljp | brewer got so drunk on first batch, made mistakes when brewing the other |
| 03:28.34 | chouimat | noda: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/05/10/offbeat.klingon.interpreter/index.html <--- job for you :) |
| 03:28.38 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 03:28.47 | noda | chouimat: Right :P |
| 03:28.56 | chouimat | noda: hehe |
| 03:28.59 | ljp | opie needs to be translated to klingon |
| 03:29.28 | noda | rofl, that'd be awesome if some day it became the "common" language :) |
| 03:29.58 | treke|laptop | it wouldnt be awesome |
| 03:30.01 | kergoth | hm, i just realized, where the hell am i going to rock climb in texas? |
| 03:30.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:30.06 | treke|laptop | it would be a sign of the coming end of times |
| 03:30.15 | noda | kergoth: When's the last time you rock climbed? :) |
| 03:30.16 | chouimat | mmmmmm Blood Wine |
| 03:30.30 | kergoth | noda: long time. 8 months, maybe more. wanted to get back into it |
| 03:30.36 | noda | kergoth: Yes do! |
| 03:30.48 | treke|laptop | kergoth: break a leg |
| 03:30.57 | noda | oh, btw, did I ever mention on here? A week and a half ago I climbed the hardest route on our wall at school :) |
| 03:30.57 | kergoth | amazingly good exercise for the forearms and hands, not to mention fun |
| 03:30.58 | chouimat | kergoth: and remember bring better toools than the last one |
| 03:30.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:31.02 | kergoth | noda: nice |
| 03:31.10 | noda | kergoth: And the sweetest sense of accomplishment... |
| 03:31.47 | ljp | kergoth: climbing gym] |
| 03:31.47 | kergoth | and the rush. adrenaline is my very good friend. |
| 03:31.58 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, ill have to do a lot of indoor |
| 03:32.07 | chouimat | brb shower |
| 03:32.13 | noda | Hell yeah! Holding on to that overhang with 2 fingers and actually *not* falling... much fun :) |
| 03:32.23 | ljp | or make weekend trips to utah with all the gobs of money you make |
| 03:32.29 | masticator | noda: approved your registration |
| 03:32.33 | kergoth | 'gobs' |
| 03:32.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:32.36 | noda | masticator: Oh, it's you? Hehehe, cool :) |
| 03:32.40 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I dont imagine outdoor sports are very popular in texas :) |
| 03:32.52 | kergoth | treke|laptop: heat stroke .. fun fun |
| 03:32.54 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:33.27 | kergoth | hm, a good friend of mine is now working as a photographer apparently |
| 03:33.32 | treke|laptop | only reason people move to texas is, rent is too high on the surface of the sun |
| 03:33.42 | ljp | remember, texas has a very nice coastline |
| 03:33.42 | kergoth | he just flew back from a swimsuit model shoot in floida |
| 03:33.44 | noda | Oh oh! Krispy Kreme! Gotta find it :) |
| 03:33.45 | kergoth | florida |
| 03:33.47 | kergoth | what a fucking job |
| 03:33.56 | treke|laptop | photographers are weird people |
| 03:35.43 | kergoth | he's no exception |
| 03:35.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:36.00 | noda | Aargh, *Greenfield Park*? LAVAL??? Dammit, come downtown! |
| 03:36.10 | noda | Oh, Marche Central. |
| 03:36.34 | kergoth | anyone know what the hell noda's talking about? |
| 03:36.37 | kergoth | cause i dont |
| 03:36.38 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:36.41 | noda | kergoth: New doughnut shop :) |
| 03:37.04 | kergoth | oh, you're locating a krispy kreme location |
| 03:37.05 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 03:37.17 | noda | kergoth: It's new and exciting, never had one before :) |
| 03:37.25 | kergoth | we only recently got them here |
| 03:37.31 | kergoth | hyped quite a bit |
| 03:37.50 | noda | Hey sweet, MEC is opening at marche central too |
| 03:37.55 | noda | Now I just gotta find marche central :) |
| 03:38.56 | treke|laptop | it's just a doughnut |
| 03:39.00 | kergoth | treke|laptop: me neither. they're not bad, but i mean.. |
| 03:39.01 | kergoth | exactly |
| 03:39.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:39.12 | noda | Well I've never had any and I've Heard Things... :) |
| 03:39.20 | noda | ...I am more excited about MEC :) |
| 03:39.27 | kergoth | overhyped. keep that in mind |
| 03:39.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:39.29 | chouimat | noda: MEC? |
| 03:39.37 | noda | chouimat: Mountain Equipment Co-op -- rock climbing stuff :) |
| 03:39.52 | chouimat | noda: ok |
| 03:40.07 | treke|laptop | they are good as far as doughnuts go, but that's like saying qtopia is good as far as Linux PDA environments go |
| 03:40.15 | noda | lol |
| 03:40.17 | kergoth | nice analogy |
| 03:40.23 | chouimat | anyone read Well of Darkness? |
| 03:40.29 | kergoth | they're doughnuts that suck less. |
| 03:40.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:41.07 | noda | Dunkin' Donuts' Bensason said, "I almost welcome the new company, because it will be good for its competitors. It will raise the awareness of doughnuts." |
| 03:41.21 | noda | lol, doughnut awareness, I like it. Maybe there should be a Doughnut Awareness Week :) |
| 03:41.28 | kergoth | it will raise the awarenes sof doughnuts? |
| 03:41.34 | noda | rofl |
| 03:41.38 | kergoth | like we just didnt know doughnuts existed until just now |
| 03:41.43 | kergoth | oh shit, they're doughnuts! |
| 03:41.52 | chouimat | noda: nah! just a day off on march 17th :) |
| 03:41.56 | noda | kergoth: Yes, but the DOUGHNUTS don't know they exist. Maybe with that extra awareness they'll learn :) |
| 03:42.05 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:42.15 | kergoth | so my doughnut will like wink at me before i eat it or something? |
| 03:42.24 | noda | Then again, do we want doughnuts thinking for themselves? Attack of the killer doughnuts! |
| 03:42.26 | masticator | krispy creme is not JUST a doughnut |
| 03:42.26 | noda | rofl |
| 03:42.39 | noda | "Don't eat me Chris!" |
| 03:42.49 | masticator | it a doughnut that is freshly made |
| 03:42.52 | kergoth | me: "oh shut the fuck up" *chomp* |
| 03:42.52 | chouimat | masticator: are they good?? |
| 03:43.06 | masticator | dude, they come off right out of the deep fryer and into your mouth. |
| 03:43.21 | kergoth | people like watching the process |
| 03:43.28 | masticator | their plain glazed donut is their best one |
| 03:43.36 | treke|laptop | <masticator> krispy creme is people! |
| 03:43.41 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:43.53 | masticator | www.krispycreme.com |
| 03:44.00 | chouimat | masticator: ok will try them next time I go to Montreal |
| 03:44.04 | noda | lol, "The glazed are like crack cocaine." |
| 03:44.06 | masticator | krispy will have tough competition in canada though |
| 03:44.18 | masticator | I mean, Tim Hortons is like fucking Microsoft. |
| 03:44.22 | noda | rofl |
| 03:44.48 | chouimat | masticator: and some obscure local brand |
| 03:44.55 | masticator | I had some timbits, they suck |
| 03:45.04 | treke|laptop | you dont fuck microsoft. microsoft fucks you |
| 03:45.12 | masticator | for some reason the canadians LOVE timbits |
| 03:45.24 | masticator | timbits are what we call munchkins or donut holes |
| 03:45.32 | noda | masticator: It's because they answer the question, "Where do all the holes go?" |
| 03:45.38 | masticator | I mean, we like em, but the canadians go ga ga over em |
| 03:45.52 | noda | masticator: we need balance! Eat doughnuts and the holes are missing, we gotta even things out! |
| 03:45.59 | kergoth | ~fishslap noda |
| 03:46.00 | | ACTION slaps noda up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:46.05 | mr_woody | 2234214 |
| 03:46.06 | treke|laptop | ~bitchslap noda |
| 03:46.08 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of noda |
| 03:46.31 | kergoth | mr_woody: 123456 |
| 03:46.46 | chouimat | kergoth: mr_woody: 3.14415927 |
| 03:46.59 | noda | 3.141592 |
| 03:47.00 | treke|laptop | 42 |
| 03:47.20 | chouimat | 69 |
| 03:47.27 | noda | 2.7182818 |
| 03:47.32 | chouimat | 96 |
| 03:47.33 | masticator | 69 is overrated |
| 03:47.33 | chouimat | 699 |
| 03:47.42 | noda | e is underrated. As is i |
| 03:47.43 | chouimat | masticator: :) |
| 03:47.54 | masticator | it sounds dirty and fun but really its way too much work |
| 03:48.23 | chouimat | masticator: and you can't enjoy it too |
| 03:48.50 | masticator | and I think the french invented it because they would rather face in that direction because their mouths smell like ass |
| 03:49.45 | kergoth | interesting theory |
| 03:49.55 | masticator | I prefer the conventional approach |
| 03:50.08 | masticator | or the space dock position. |
| 03:53.41 | chouimat | masticator: hehe |
| 03:54.05 | chouimat | masticator: if french mouth smell like ass imagine the other side |
| 03:54.20 | masticator | chouimat: but the women douche right |
| 03:54.28 | masticator | and they have bidets. |
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| 03:55.44 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 03:55.54 | chouimat | masticator: this is not a seal of freshness :) |
| 03:56.44 | chouimat | brb |
| 03:56.46 | masticator | I've never had a french chick |
| 03:56.58 | masticator | the closest thing I had was an italian in italy |
| 03:58.07 | chouimat | masticator: why do you think French invented perfume? |
| 03:58.18 | masticator | good point |
| 03:58.50 | sonix` | bidets rock |
| 03:59.33 | masticator | sonix`: being a guy, I have never tried one personally |
| 04:00.04 | sonix` | they had it in my apartment in KSA |
| 04:00.23 | masticator | so, like you squat and shoot water up your ass? |
| 04:00.30 | noda | ljp: Oh, hey, that gives SVQ3 support to the Zaurus, eh? Sweet :) |
| 04:00.31 | sonix` | squat? |
| 04:00.32 | sonix` | not really |
| 04:00.45 | sonix` | you sit on it as if you're sitting to poop |
| 04:00.47 | sonix` | except you dont |
| 04:00.58 | sonix` | saves paper |
| 04:01.02 | sonix` | I have paper |
| 04:01.12 | sonix` | err |
| 04:01.15 | sonix` | I hate paper |
| 04:01.20 | sonix` | i personally perfer the water guns |
| 04:01.23 | sonix` | aim and shoot |
| 04:01.26 | sonix` | works like a charm |
| 04:01.36 | kergoth | i swear this chan has the strangest conversations |
| 04:01.38 | masticator | and you wipe off with a towel? |
| 04:01.43 | noda | lol |
| 04:01.45 | sonix` | no need |
| 04:01.55 | sonix` | you just shoot your asshole |
| 04:01.56 | sonix` | thats it |
| 04:02.07 | masticator | sonix`: I dunno man it sounds awfully gay |
| 04:02.24 | masticator | I dont want to shoot anything up my asshole. |
| 04:02.29 | sonix` | its better than using paper and coming in close contact with your poop |
| 04:02.47 | sonix` | then you americans who dont wash your hands would be much merrier |
| 04:03.16 | masticator | sonix`: first I wipe the stuff off, then I go in a second time with slightly wet TP |
| 04:03.28 | masticator | no need to shoot water up my ass |
| 04:03.35 | kergoth | that reminds me of that article on askmen.com that advised hitting on chicks after they leave the bathroom. grab their hand, make sure its damp before hitting on her |
| 04:03.38 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:04.10 | noda | Um. Grab her hand *before* hitting on her... right |
| 04:04.34 | kergoth | well approach her, hold her hand, if its not damp, back off |
| 04:04.35 | masticator | sonix`: you a guy or a chick? |
| 04:04.40 | sonix` | guy damnit |
| 04:04.51 | sonix` | i dont get why it makes a difference when you poop |
| 04:04.53 | masticator | british? |
| 04:04.56 | sonix` | we both have rectums |
| 04:05.01 | sonix` | no |
| 04:05.13 | sonix` | far from bri 'ish |
| 04:05.17 | kergoth | noda: askmen.com is a pretty decent site :) |
| 04:05.27 | noda | kergoth: Checking |
| 04:05.27 | sonix` | heh |
| 04:05.53 | chouimat | back |
| 04:06.50 | noda | Hrm, my horoscope on askmen.com says I dislike shallow flattery. That's not true, I love it :P |
| 04:07.52 | kergoth | noda: my likes & dislikes in mine were pretty much dead on. |
| 04:08.04 | kergoth | noda: but it said my day is tuesday, which has to be bullshit |
| 04:08.06 | kergoth | tuesdays suck :) |
| 04:08.09 | noda | kergoth: They're pretty generic :P |
| 04:08.16 | noda | Likes: truth. |
| 04:08.17 | noda | Well, DUH |
| 04:08.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:08.47 | kergoth | horoscopes and shit always are |
| 04:08.48 | noda | I've had a tarot card reader tell me I'm stressed out about something or other. Um, yeah. |
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| 04:09.02 | noda | It's not rocket science. |
| 04:09.15 | noda | "Oh, I really love being taken advantage of" |
| 04:09.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:09.43 | kergoth | noda: check out some of the articles & shit |
| 04:09.50 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:10.43 | chouimat | noda: mine is better: likes: - Mystery in all its guises - Anything discarded to say discarded - The ridiculous - Getting "lost" Dislike : - The obivous, Being Criticized, Feeling all at sea about something - Know-it-alls - Pedaantry |
| 04:11.27 | noda | Heh |
| 04:11.54 | chouimat | noda: I didn't knew that I liked getting "lost" |
| 04:13.37 | masticator | I found the coolest financial web site today |
| 04:13.42 | masticator | scotttrade.com |
| 04:13.47 | masticator | they give you REAL TIME DATA for free |
| 04:13.59 | masticator | and their app runs in java in a web browser |
| 04:14.28 | noda | chouimat: Uriah Heep? That a band? |
| 04:14.46 | noda | masticator: You sound like a penis enlargement ad. |
| 04:14.47 | chouimat | noda: brb forgort my sound card module |
| 04:15.13 | ljp_ | hehehehe |
| 04:15.19 | masticator | noda: real time data is fucking expensive man |
| 04:15.29 | masticator | most sites give you delayed quotes |
| 04:15.35 | masticator | you usually have to pay for real time |
| 04:15.35 | noda | Oh yeah |
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| 04:27.17 | chouimat | hmmm I didn't knew I had some Blue Oyster Cult |
| 04:28.26 | masticator | god damnned XP what a buggy peice of shit |
| 04:28.33 | masticator | I should toast this workstation OS and install 2003 |
| 04:28.41 | treke|laptop | hrm. that explains why my computer is sucking so much ass |
| 04:28.51 | chouimat | masticator: you have 2003? |
| 04:28.59 | masticator | chouimat: just got it in MSDN |
| 04:29.09 | masticator | havent tried it ye |
| 04:29.20 | chouimat | masticator: ok |
| 04:29.37 | treke|laptop | been getting 400B/s transfers all night. Just realized I forgot to exted my wireless cards antenna :) |
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| 04:36.16 | chouimat|zzz | night |
| 04:36.30 | masticator | scottrader.com freakin rules |
| 04:36.42 | masticator | coolest java app I have ever seen |
| 04:37.13 | chouimat|zzz | masticator: will check tomorrow morning |
| 04:37.29 | masticator | its totally free |
| 04:37.37 | masticator | you dont have to trade stocks or anything |
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| 04:52.10 | masticator | chouimat|zzz: registration approved |
| 04:54.31 | sonix` | registeration? |
| 04:55.04 | sonix` | -e |
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| 05:14.46 | masticator | sonix`: he joined egullet.com |
| 05:14.51 | masticator | the food web site I run |
| 05:28.16 | treke|laptop | good lord this svn tree is a mess |
| 05:57.43 | sonix` | interesting |
| 06:07.34 | mithro | svn tree? |
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| 07:26.49 | cmartin | i have a problem when compiling - qt_override.cpp |
| 07:38.05 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:40.07 | Com[Plex] | anyone here familiar with python? |
| 07:40.11 | Com[Plex] | on the z I mean |
| 07:40.33 | fazed | no i dont now any python |
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| 07:43.40 | Com[Plex] | stilltrying to get this ident daemon running on the z. |
| 07:43.51 | Com[Plex] | now im trying it with python, but I am having problems |
| 07:52.04 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.08 | cmartin | any ideas |
| 07:52.45 | cmartin | already did make SUBDIRS=packages/opie mrproper |
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| 08:37.17 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.24 | cmartin | anyone here to help? |
| 08:49.33 | Speedy2 | Usually I use invalid@invalid.com |
| 08:49.48 | Speedy2 | So my mail server will accept it since it's a valid domain, but that domain doesn't accept that e-mail address :) |
| 08:50.20 | Speedy2 | What I want to do is use come up with address like honeyhoneypot.com or something |
| 08:50.29 | Speedy2 | And then post using it to like every known newsgroup known to man |
| 08:50.33 | Speedy2 | But use it to catch spammers |
| 08:51.16 | Speedy2 | whoops |
| 08:51.17 | Speedy2 | wrong window! |
| 08:55.46 | Speedy2 | Later all |
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| 10:28.53 | cmartin | already did make SUBDIRS=packages/opie mrproper |
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| 11:59.41 | darmou | Hey what happened to the openzaurus website? |
| 11:59.43 | darmou | www.openzaurus.org is dead? |
| 12:09.13 | cmartin | darmou: no problems here |
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| 12:41.35 | killefiz | any ipaq owners around? |
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| 12:45.33 | killefiz | ibot: ipaq |
| 12:45.34 | | ipaq is probably a Strongarm based PDA with 206Mhz CPU and 32Mb RAM. http://www.compaq.com/products/handhelds/pocketpc/ and is also available in 64 meg version |
| 12:47.23 | killefiz | treke|home: ping |
| 12:50.55 | cmartin | hi killefiz, i have an iPAQ H3660 |
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| 12:53.58 | killefiz | cmartin: i have a 3800 here and i'm trying to find out about the networking capabilities - it does have bluetooth but no cf |
| 12:55.46 | cmartin | mine has no bluetooth, but i have a PCMCIA sleeve |
| 12:57.20 | killefiz | i only borrowed the ipaq for a couple of weeks so i'm not gonna buy anything for it |
| 12:57.31 | killefiz | what is installed on your ipaq? oe or familiar? |
| 12:59.52 | cmartin | familiar, i haven't managed to get oe to compile, i'm getting an error with qt_override.cpp |
| 13:06.46 | absentiaS | re |
| 13:06.53 | absentiaS | 'morn killefiz |
| 13:07.26 | absentiaS | what is oe ? |
| 13:07.44 | absentiaS | ibot: a e i oe u ? |
| 13:07.45 | | absentiaS: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:07.55 | absentiaS | ibot: go bitrot |
| 13:07.56 | | absentiaS: are you using Windows? |
| 13:09.48 | absentiaS | ibot: gettin' down'n dirty, are we? |
| 13:09.49 | | absentiaS: okay |
| 13:10.10 | absentiaS | ibot: your mother was eliza and your father was a casio calculator |
| 13:10.11 | | absentiaS: are you using Windows? |
| 13:10.28 | absentiaS | ibot: no, but it appears you could be UPGRADED with it... |
| 13:10.29 | | absentiaS: are you using Windows? |
| 13:10.48 | ljp | ibot yo momma |
| 13:10.49 | | ljp: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:10.50 | absentiaS | ibot: ctrl-alt-rm-rf-$HOME |
| 13:10.51 | | absentiaS: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:11.12 | absentiaS | ibot: 3+3 |
| 13:11.13 | | 6 |
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| 13:11.34 | absentiaS | ibot: convert 30us cdn; `date`; ls; '";`pwd` |
| 13:11.42 | absentiaS | heheh |
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| 13:13.40 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | See the openembedded and openzaurus bitkeeper repositories | Buildroot developers for OpenEmbedded meet in #buildroot-oe | kergoth's moving to Dallas to work on embedded kernel development for TI | OpenEmbedded now 100% cholesterol free |
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| 14:39.30 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:42.48 | ljp | hi |
| 14:50.18 | masticator | morning |
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| 15:02.53 | agupta | kergoth: sup |
| 15:05.03 | Com[Plex | hey guys |
| 15:05.08 | agupta | hey Com[Plex |
| 15:05.09 | Com[Plex | whats the new address of the skiff clusters? |
| 15:05.09 | agupta | long time no see |
| 15:05.16 | Com[Plex | yewah man :) |
| 15:05.23 | Com[Plex | howsitgoin? |
| 15:05.27 | masticator | hmm I would ask on #handhelds.org |
| 15:07.00 | Com[Plex | k |
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| 15:10.25 | chouimat | hmmm the cad is 0.721331usd |
| 15:13.19 | cworth | who's a wiki wizard? My edits to BuildFilesVars are not working, (though I can play in the SandBox well enough) |
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| 15:31.57 | zecke_ | ibot: seen drw |
| 15:31.57 | | drw <~drw@ppp-67-37-132-140.dialup.chcgil.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 3d 16h 10m 14s ago, saying: 'ahhh, right'. |
| 15:31.57 | bipolar | hi zecke_ |
| 15:31.58 | bipolar | does anyone have a copy of kpackman.conf |
| 15:31.58 | bipolar | ? |
| 15:31.58 | bipolar | mine seems to have gone mising, probbly due to ipkg problems |
| 15:31.58 | bipolar | grr.. |
| 15:31.58 | bipolar | nevermind :) |
| 15:32.38 | bipolar | ibot: you're slow |
| 15:32.39 | | bipolar: i haven't a clue |
| 15:32.44 | chouimat | hi bipolar zecke_ |
| 15:33.12 | bipolar | chouimat: yo |
| 15:35.27 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:37.05 | Com[Plex | anyone using zgcc on the zaurus using oz 3.2? |
| 15:37.55 | Com[Plex | and uh.. whats the correct syntax to use ipkg to install a file to SD ? |
| 15:38.39 | yeiazel | ipkg -dest sd file.ipk |
| 15:38.43 | yeiazel | (iirc) |
| 15:38.44 | yeiazel | :) |
| 15:38.54 | kergoth | you forgot install |
| 15:38.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:39.04 | yeiazel | oh yes |
| 15:40.10 | Com[Plex | so.. ipkg -dest sd install file.ipk ? |
| 15:40.17 | Com[Plex | or install at the end? |
| 15:40.28 | kergoth | ipkg install -d sd file.ipk, generally |
| 15:41.33 | effy-kun | sup, fellow skanks? |
| 15:41.33 | effy-kun | ;) |
| 15:41.38 | Com[Plex | thanks |
| 15:41.41 | Com[Plex | hiya ef |
| 15:41.44 | kergoth | hey effy |
| 15:41.52 | kergoth | i'm flexing my slacking off skills |
| 15:42.08 | effy-kun | hey, use it or lose it, that's what I always say |
| 15:42.09 | effy-kun | ;) |
| 15:42.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:43.58 | effy-kun | I'm going to screw with OZ on my C700 |
| 15:43.58 | effy-kun | if I'm ever going to be of any use to OZ, I might as well learn how to do stuff on it. |
| 15:43.58 | effy-kun | I was kind of hoping to concentrate on app programming instead, though heh |
| 15:43.58 | effy-kun | would like to add some nice features and write a few apps ;) |
| 15:45.44 | kergoth | opie can always use more devs |
| 15:47.32 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 15:50.58 | bipolar | kergoth: umsdos-modules and msdos-modules depend on the nonexistant vfat-modules package. It screws up bad when building an image. :) |
| 15:51.03 | treke | theres a really annoying bug that's probably a simple fix :) |
| 15:51.10 | bipolar | treke: whats the bug? |
| 15:51.24 | kergoth | bipolar: no shit. |
| 15:51.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:51.28 | treke | bipolar: if you open it it always asks you what file to open |
| 15:51.30 | bipolar | kergoth: hwh |
| 15:51.34 | bipolar | heh, even |
| 15:51.34 | treke | bipolar: then it crashes when you choose a file |
| 15:51.40 | kergoth | bipolar: that bug has only been around for what, 2 weeks now? |
| 15:51.40 | treke | then it works the next time you load it up |
| 15:51.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:51.46 | treke | lather. rinse. repeat |
| 15:51.55 | bipolar | treke: ah, yeah. when it creates a file, it does that. |
| 15:52.11 | kergoth | its adding a modules package to the deps of other packages even if that package doesnt own any files (modules were compiled in monolithically) |
| 15:52.21 | kergoth | bug in ipkg-make-kernel-modules |
| 15:58.45 | bipolar | kergoth: looks like were making a switch to simpleinit. Is that right? |
| 16:00.55 | kergoth | bipolar: long term, ye.s |
| 16:02.31 | bipolar | kergoth: we'll I just built an image and it would not let me install sysvinit. Somthing was depending on tinyinit and they conflicted, of course. So, I'll see if this boots. :) |
| 16:02.38 | Com[Plex | I was trying to install something to SD, and I ran out of space on mntdram, now that I have uninstalled the item, I still dont have the space free on ram, how can I clear that up? |
| 16:02.43 | kergoth | bipolar: what? |
| 16:02.45 | Com[Plex | sorry, in jjfs I mean |
| 16:02.49 | kergoth | bipolar: uh, no. |
| 16:02.55 | kergoth | bipolar: nothing depends on simpleinit directly |
| 16:03.04 | kergoth | bipolar: they depend on init, which is provided by both simpleinit and sysvinit |
| 16:03.11 | kergoth | bipolar: and ipkg errors out on multiple provides |
| 16:03.17 | kergoth | bipolar: remove one of the packages providing it |
| 16:03.19 | bipolar | kergoth: then ipkg is being a bitch |
| 16:03.24 | bipolar | ~lart ipkg |
| 16:03.37 | bipolar | kergoth: I forgot about that bug. :) |
| 16:03.47 | kergoth | its the same bug that errors on vera |
| 16:03.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:04.06 | kergoth | we do need a better way to handle multiple provides in image creation though |
| 16:06.20 | cworth | kergoth: ugh. ipkg can't deal with two installed packages providing the same thing? |
| 16:06.35 | kergoth | cworth: well, it should error out, thats expected |
| 16:06.44 | kergoth | cworth: but its indicating the package isnt found, not that there are multiple providers. |
| 16:06.48 | kergoth | cworth: which is misleading |
| 16:07.13 | cworth | kergoth: yes, it should treat this as a conflict actually and do the right thing. |
| 16:07.28 | cworth | kergoth: sigh |
| 16:07.44 | zecke_ | hi mickeyl |
| 16:07.53 | bipolar | sure would be nice if ipkg just let you pick one |
| 16:07.59 | Com[Plex | anyone know how to recover my lost space on mntdblock4 ? |
| 16:08.02 | mickeyl | hi zecke_ - how are you? |
| 16:08.05 | kergoth | bipolar: uh, it does. ipkg install the_one_you_want |
| 16:08.10 | kergoth | bipolar: heh |
| 16:08.13 | mickeyl | ibot: seen cmartin |
| 16:08.14 | | cmartin <~cmartin@gw.krypnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 3h 59m 1s ago, saying: 'darmou: no problems here'. |
| 16:08.14 | mickeyl | hi all |
| 16:08.19 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 16:08.24 | mickeyl | missing him every time |
| 16:08.25 | zecke_ | mickeyl: was in hospital from friday till today |
| 16:08.34 | cworth | bipolar: it should give a sane error message and let you know your options, yes. |
| 16:08.38 | Com[Plex | :( |
| 16:08.41 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:08.49 | mickeyl | zecke_: yeah , read that in the log - something emergency or normal schedule? |
| 16:09.12 | kergoth | cworth: it used to give that error. semirecently introduced |
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| 16:09.31 | kergoth | hey beattie |
| 16:09.43 | beattie | kergoth: |
| 16:09.58 | cworth | kergoth: it's been quite some time since I've done babysitting for ipkg, (and even longer since I've contributed code). |
| 16:10.17 | cworth | kergoth: I might be finding myself in that role soon though... |
| 16:10.29 | zecke_ | mickeyl: kind of emergency on friday no scheduled downtime |
| 16:10.48 | kergoth | hey thats why my mailbox was taking up so much space |
| 16:10.48 | mickeyl | zecke_: damn... better now? |
| 16:10.55 | kergoth | beattie: found the locomo docs buried in my inbox |
| 16:10.57 | cworth | kergoth: at least this time I would a proper libipkg, (which the build system might also want to use). |
| 16:10.59 | kergoth | beattie: i'll forward it over |
| 16:11.11 | kergoth | cworth: yes! we would all love such a thing. |
| 16:11.13 | mickeyl | locomo sounds like kernel work :-D |
| 16:11.14 | beattie | kergoth: thanks |
| 16:11.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: beattie wants to work on Z support for one of the open source mmc driver stakcs |
| 16:11.44 | Com[Plex | man, I got some weird synlink on my z, .#control |
| 16:11.47 | Com[Plex | and I cant delete it.. |
| 16:11.49 | Com[Plex | any ideas? |
| 16:12.01 | mickeyl | kergoth: good news! but what's with the SD from sharp? can't you release it anytime soon? |
| 16:12.14 | kergoth | mickeyl: i can release it soon enough, when they release their new rom using the new kernel |
| 16:12.21 | kergoth | mickeyl: (which it does have, thats confirmed) |
| 16:12.29 | mickeyl | kergoth: btw.... *reminder* - you wanted to publish a rough roadmap on oz.org :-D |
| 16:12.33 | Com[Plex | :( no one likes me anymore. |
| 16:12.34 | kergoth | oh right |
| 16:12.39 | kergoth | ~fishslap Com[Plex |
| 16:12.40 | | ACTION slaps Com[Plex up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:13.03 | kergoth | cworth: jamey maintains ipkg, but no one seems to want to take on the refracture/rewrite |
| 16:13.09 | kergoth | cworth: not that i can blame them |
| 16:13.11 | kergoth | cworth: :) |
| 16:13.14 | Com[Plex | I got no room on mntblock4. and a stupid symlink file called .#control |
| 16:13.18 | mickeyl | kergoth: the are releasing a rom based on 2.4.18 for the 5500 ? |
| 16:13.22 | mickeyl | s/the/they |
| 16:13.25 | kergoth | mickeyl: yes. its not surprising |
| 16:13.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: the 2.4.18 tree for b500/5600/c700 had collie support |
| 16:13.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: they just pushed it forward |
| 16:13.53 | cworth | kergoth: problem is, the graphics stuff is so much fun. ;-) |
| 16:14.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: mmh... nice. then OZ no longer can use the kernel as an argument ... :-D |
| 16:14.16 | kergoth | we still have a value add of course, our battery drivers w/ interpolation, remappable keyboard drivers, audio drivers implementing OSS, etc |
| 16:14.16 | mickeyl | (not that we need that...) |
| 16:14.22 | mickeyl | ah yeah |
| 16:14.23 | zecke_ | kergoth: and Qtopia upgrade as well? |
| 16:14.38 | kergoth | zecke_: to 1.5.2 i believe, same as on the 5600/b500/c700 |
| 16:14.41 | kergoth | zecke_: from what i understand |
| 16:14.50 | zecke_ | ouch that breaks syncing |
| 16:14.52 | kergoth | zecke_: this means sharp rom has a less sucky docs tab, motivation for us to fix ours :) |
| 16:15.02 | mickeyl | kergoth: as soon as we know what qtE they base on we _need_ to add a SharpROM target to Opie. |
| 16:15.03 | kergoth | thats true, i'm not sure how they handled that |
| 16:15.17 | mickeyl | kergoth: our users are requesting that like hell |
| 16:15.18 | zecke_ | this means usage of DTM which is not documented nor available... |
| 16:15.18 | kergoth | mickeyl: you're assuming they'll release their qt/e changes |
| 16:15.27 | kergoth | mickeyl: which, knowing sharp, is a flawed assumption |
| 16:15.35 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:15.36 | chouimat | zecke_: I still got the contact iin double when I use kitchensync :( |
| 16:15.40 | mickeyl | kergoth: errr.... hmm... right |
| 16:15.49 | zecke_ | chouimat: ftp proxy? |
| 16:15.54 | chouimat | sync |
| 16:16.11 | zecke_ | do you've an ftp procy setup with kde? |
| 16:16.38 | zecke_ | chouimat: what do you get? |
| 16:17.31 | chouimat | zecke_: no proxy ... same problem as before it copy all my changed contact twice instead of updating them |
| 16:18.51 | zecke_ | chouimat: some sort of setup problem... |
| 16:19.50 | zecke_ | chouimat: it's hard for me to fix up your home dir |
| 16:19.57 | treke | kergoth: make any progress on the launcher? |
| 16:20.39 | chouimat | zecke_: I will fix that after that kde update |
| 16:21.40 | zecke_ | chouimat: so either you may not write to .kitchensync or .kde? or something is wrong on your Zauri |
| 16:21.57 | zecke_ | chouimat: but KitchenSync shouldn't have a bug in that respect |
| 16:22.07 | zecke_ | all it does it is reading a UID list |
| 16:22.15 | zecke_ | and fetching a set of records from the device |
| 16:22.29 | mickeyl | treke: do you know what the -hh patches contain exactly? or do you know where to look that up (instead of reading the patch, that is :-D |
| 16:22.30 | zecke_ | and then trying to find same uids... |
| 16:22.51 | kergoth | treke: not much. got any app being embeddable, but still need to split the qcop calls amongst our 3 independent apps, and write the applnk/category plugin, and docs plugin |
| 16:22.52 | chouimat | zecke_: ok |
| 16:22.56 | treke | mickeyl: no |
| 16:23.01 | kergoth | treke: didnt do much of anything this last weekend |
| 16:23.03 | treke | mickeyl: they contain lots of stuff |
| 16:23.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: its not documented anywhere |
| 16:23.10 | kergoth | mickeyl: and it is a *lot* of content |
| 16:23.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: I once ripped it apart |
| 16:23.33 | zecke_ | chouimat: make sure you wipe out ~/.kitchensync and .kde/share/config/kitchensync* |
| 16:23.34 | kergoth | to figure out what would be usable for our trees, and what wasnt, and what didnt belong in kernel at all |
| 16:23.34 | mickeyl | kergoth,treke: I'd like to know if anything of that could apply to the SIMpad as well. |
| 16:23.55 | kergoth | mickeyl: aspects of it are global and could benefit all, and some are quite ipaq specific. |
| 16:23.58 | kergoth | mickeyl: seperating them is no fun :) |
| 16:24.10 | kergoth | mickeyl: this is why i wish they had tracked it as a patchset. patcher is my friend. |
| 16:24.19 | kergoth | or even bk, changesets rule |
| 16:24.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:24.35 | mickeyl | kergoth: can imagine that. that's what I don't like of the hh.org people... sometimes they're are pretty uncommunicative |
| 16:24.49 | zecke_ | mickeyl: I think sandmans make apm synchronus stuff is in hh too |
| 16:25.16 | treke | couldnt |
| 16:26.10 | kergoth | i disagree with their stuffing absolutely every driver into the kernel tree, myself |
| 16:26.18 | kergoth | makes it a pain to build said drivers against other trees |
| 16:26.56 | kergoth | it strikes me that there was more than a little lack of foresight |
| 16:26.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:27.43 | kergoth | well, its a kernel tree |
| 16:27.46 | kergoth | hence its GPL |
| 16:27.51 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 16:27.53 | kergoth | they had to know they'd be releasing it |
| 16:27.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:28.24 | treke | kergoth: They might not have been planning to release anything using it :) |
| 16:28.24 | mickeyl | started to communicate with the SIMpad people. they seem to be a nice and cooperative. |
| 16:29.04 | kergoth | treke: point taken |
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| 16:31.33 | kergoth | you know |
| 16:31.40 | kergoth | i really shouldve cleaned my cube more than once every couple years |
| 16:33.46 | mickeyl | how can I make lupdate play nicely with subdir projects? doesn't seem to work for me |
| 16:34.07 | mickeyl | only the toplevel seems to be called with lupdate thus no translations... |
| 16:34.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:34.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: alter the rule in include.pro |
| 16:34.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: to descend if its subdir |
| 16:34.50 | mickeyl | kergoth: sounds good, will look after that. thx |
| 16:34.54 | kergoth | np |
| 16:35.03 | mickeyl | btw., Nice effect: Opie on C700 will benefit from Opie for SIMpad because of the larger display size :-) |
| 16:35.09 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:35.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:35.22 | kergoth | saw your commits to the applets, nice work there |
| 16:35.49 | mickeyl | :) |
| 16:36.05 | mickeyl | I will do more of this work once we get a basic distribution for SIMpad running |
| 16:36.25 | bipolar | how much space to softlinks take up on the filesystem that the link exists on? Anyone know? |
| 16:36.33 | mickeyl | I like doing user space more than distribution and kernel stuff but as of now, i'm the buildroot expert in the SIMpad group :-D |
| 16:37.27 | killefiz | mickeyl: have you managed to boot anything oe-like on the simpad yet? |
| 16:37.44 | kergoth | I like doing kernel space more than distribution, but here i am |
| 16:37.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:38.26 | killefiz | hmm - sould irda work on oz3.2? |
| 16:38.37 | kergoth | it does. |
| 16:39.14 | killefiz | kergoth: not for me - i cannot enable irda. When I choose "enable irda" it does nothing |
| 16:39.29 | kergoth | then you didnt flash both kernel and rootfs for 3.2 |
| 16:39.33 | kergoth | one of them didnt happen |
| 16:39.36 | kergoth | you *need* both. |
| 16:40.17 | killefiz | my kernel has a build date of Mar 13 - is that an old one? |
| 16:40.24 | kergoth | dunno |
| 16:40.51 | killefiz | 3.2 release was on 28th of March so it probably is an old one |
| 16:41.30 | killefiz | i'll reflash it when I get home |
| 16:41.31 | Com[Plex | guys, I still cant seem to free up the lost space on my /dev/root - a botched ipkg instalation filled it up, and I cant seem to free it. can someone point me in the right direction please? |
| 16:41.55 | Com[Plex | guys, I still cant seem to free up the lost space on my /dev/root - a botched ipkg instalation filled it up, and I cant seem to free it. can someone point me in the right direction please? |
| 16:42.04 | Com[Plex | woops. sorry |
| 16:43.44 | bipolar | whew... can't get even one more useful app into this thing. :) |
| 16:44.39 | bipolar | Com[Plex: did you try rebooting? sometimes the unmount fixes it. Other times it won't boot :\ |
| 16:44.57 | kergoth | arent ancient jffs2 versions fun? |
| 16:45.03 | Com[Plex | I have rebooted a couple times now. |
| 16:45.13 | Com[Plex | still not freeing up. |
| 16:45.25 | Com[Plex | what should I unmount? /dev/root ? |
| 16:47.43 | Com[Plex | ahh, I think I found it |
| 16:51.44 | bipolar | shit.. got a login prompt |
| 16:52.16 | kergoth | wait let me guess. gcc3 build and you forgot libgcc? |
| 16:52.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:52.24 | bipolar | kergoth: not this time :) |
| 16:52.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:52.44 | zecke_ | kergoth: do we know anyone at Sharp beeing responsible for Qtopia? |
| 16:52.53 | bobbyd | anyone here using kdevelop 3? |
| 16:53.22 | kergoth | zecke_: I dont have any direct contact with those who are responsible for it, i generally go through spencer or mitchy and let them funnel to the appropriate parties |
| 16:53.47 | zecke_ | kergoth: can you give me the email of Spencer? |
| 16:53.51 | bipolar | hahaha |
| 16:53.56 | bipolar | no blocks left on / :) |
| 16:54.01 | kergoth | bipolar: thatd do it :) |
| 16:54.12 | bipolar | I guess I just packed too much on it. :) |
| 16:54.25 | bipolar | damn... I need more flash. :) |
| 16:55.27 | bipolar | grrrrr |
| 16:56.15 | bipolar | kergoth: do you know why there are two libpng's? libpng3 and libpng12-0? |
| 16:56.20 | bipolar | are they both needed? |
| 16:56.24 | kergoth | one is a virtual package |
| 16:56.27 | kergoth | only for deps |
| 16:56.31 | bipolar | ah. ol |
| 16:56.33 | bipolar | ok, even |
| 16:56.33 | kergoth | libpng12-0 is the actual package, libpng3 is virt |
| 16:56.37 | kergoth | and wont take up space :) |
| 16:57.13 | bobbyd | kergoth, : once i have the source building, what where do i look to work on the c700 key mapping stuff? |
| 16:57.25 | kergoth | bobbyd: there's nothing to look at |
| 16:57.28 | kergoth | bobbyd: qt/e obeys the kenrel |
| 16:57.40 | kergoth | now, on the other hand |
| 16:57.50 | kergoth | if you see a key combo that doesnt work in either opie or console |
| 16:58.00 | kergoth | then look at build/linux/drivers/char/corgisomethingorother.map |
| 16:58.24 | bobbyd | yup? |
| 16:59.21 | bobbyd | ok, so you're saying i track down the key combo, then look at that file? |
| 16:59.27 | bobbyd | what do i do with the file? |
| 16:59.33 | kergoth | uh, vi? |
| 16:59.54 | kergoth | and read the man page for loadkeys |
| 17:00.01 | kergoth | its a standard linux kernel keymap file |
| 17:00.07 | kergoth | with a known and documented format |
| 17:00.15 | Com[Plex | ooh. this is much better. I repackaged zgcc with correct symlinks and in ar format, now its not usiong the stupid jjfs to unpack. |
| 17:00.16 | bobbyd | that's all i wanted to know ;) |
| 17:00.19 | Com[Plex | much much better |
| 17:00.30 | bipolar | why the hell did iptables modules get installed? |
| 17:00.39 | kergoth | bipolar: kernel-modules depends on all kernel module ipks |
| 17:00.55 | bipolar | kergoth: thats what I did wrong then. |
| 17:01.02 | kergoth | bipolar: as the previous kernel-modules used to be one big monolithic ipk for Z users |
| 17:01.14 | kergoth | so it only made sense. |
| 17:01.19 | bipolar | kergoth: I need to deselct kernel-modules and install the indevidual ones, right? |
| 17:01.41 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:01.49 | bipolar | FUCK!!! my cf card writer is at home! |
| 17:01.52 | kergoth | doh |
| 17:02.06 | kergoth | I hate it when that happens |
| 17:02.27 | bobbyd | kergoth, do you program professionally? |
| 17:02.30 | mickeyl | killefiz: not yet - i just began doing the necessary framework work to have SIMpad as a buildroot target. I think cmartin and me will get this running in a few weeks. then directly as a jffs2 with the then current opie :) |
| 17:02.38 | bipolar | i'm getting on an airplane in a few hours, and the airport is 45min in the opisite direction from my house. |
| 17:02.52 | bipolar | guess I have to get ssh working somehow |
| 17:03.00 | kergoth | bobbyd: I will shortly :) |
| 17:03.12 | bobbyd | you just finished uni? |
| 17:03.12 | kergoth | bobbyd: I've been working in unix tech support for the past 3 years |
| 17:03.18 | bobbyd | ahh ok |
| 17:03.24 | kergoth | bobbyd: front lines w/ the idiots |
| 17:03.29 | kergoth | bobbyd: recently hired by TI |
| 17:03.49 | bobbyd | great |
| 17:03.51 | bobbyd | ! |
| 17:06.04 | bipolar | ok. It won't let me rm anything becouse there is no space left on the device |
| 17:06.06 | bipolar | nice |
| 17:06.22 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 17:07.30 | bipolar | i'm running home if I can't find somethere here. |
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| 17:09.01 | bipolar | well, no cf readers here. I'm running home |
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| 17:14.23 | kergoth | mickeyl: hows that look? posted a status update |
| 17:21.03 | mickeyl | kergoth: that looks good :) |
| 17:22.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: btw., i added the simpad TODO to http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/OzTODO |
| 17:22.24 | kergoth | okay, good. |
| 17:24.26 | Umaro | any word on when you'll be able to release that 2.4.19 sd driver? |
| 17:24.38 | kergoth | Umaro: it likely wont happen until sharp releases their next rom |
| 17:24.45 | Umaro | aah |
| 17:24.47 | kergoth | Umaro: and even then 2.4.19 isnt ready for release, which openzaurus.org says |
| 17:24.58 | Umaro | :D |
| 17:25.05 | Umaro | I don't read. I just bug. |
| 17:25.38 | kergoth | #openzaurus is the end user support channel |
| 17:25.48 | kergoth | bugging belongs there |
| 17:25.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:25.58 | kergoth | along with begging, annoying, pestering, and asking support questions |
| 17:25.59 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:29.41 | treke | bribery is always welcome here though |
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| 17:38.46 | pb_ | g'day |
| 17:41.21 | Com[Plex | I swear, every time I eject my cf card and/or reinsert it, its goes slower and slower. I ejected my nflash card 3 minutes ago. is this a feature or something? or a bug? |
| 17:41.42 | Com[Plex | woops. wrong channel. thought I was in openzaurus |
| 17:41.55 | Com[Plex | *sigh* |
| 17:42.01 | Com[Plex | vnc screws me up at times |
| 17:42.46 | treke | mornin pb |
| 17:43.00 | treke | errr. I guess its evening for you |
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| 17:47.25 | Com[Plex | anyone here familiar with zgcc ? |
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| 17:56.05 | treke | kergoth: you get a disk usage email from sf today? |
| 17:56.34 | treke | supposedly project disk quotas are 100 megs, and we are a bit over that :) |
| 17:56.37 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:56.50 | kergoth | nope, havent gotten a mail, but i think they have my wrong email addy :) |
| 17:56.54 | treke | hehe |
| 17:57.31 | kergoth | is the project quota different than user account quota? |
| 17:57.44 | kergoth | what is the user quota? |
| 17:57.45 | treke | user quota is 5mb. project quota is 100MB |
| 17:57.50 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 17:57.53 | treke | we are uing 1.6 gig |
| 17:57.57 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:58.01 | kergoth | old feeds? |
| 17:58.02 | ljp | oi |
| 17:58.09 | treke | yup. |
| 17:58.15 | treke | at least partially |
| 17:58.28 | chouimat | ouch |
| 17:58.28 | kergoth | we should probably archive old packages somewhere else |
| 17:58.31 | kergoth | dunno where though |
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| 17:59.19 | treke | I can host most anything that isnt going to generate continous downloads |
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| 18:15.39 | Umaro | I could give you guys some hosting space.. |
| 18:20.04 | Com[Plex | anyone here familiar with zgcc ? |
| 18:20.49 | numatrix | kergoth: I was archiving old packages of all old releases |
| 18:21.49 | numatrix | kergoth: zaurii.com/oz |
| 18:22.41 | numatrix | Not sure if thats what you mean, Im on my z in a meeting and xan,t see the full conversation above (irssi, ssh, screen, on the z; how to scrollback?) |
| 18:25.34 | Com[Plex | anyoneelse have a problem with the delay when removing or inserting a cf flash card? |
| 18:26.41 | kergoth | opie scanning the docs on the card? |
| 18:26.46 | kergoth | use mediummount to disable docs scanning |
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| 18:28.00 | Com[Plex | sems likeits gets longer and longerevery time I use iot |
| 18:28.21 | kergoth | never heard of that |
| 18:28.25 | Com[Plex | *sigh*. the spacebar is dead on this board. and I smashed my other one in a fit of counter-strike enduced rage4 |
| 18:29.11 | Com[Plex | is there any way to turn off the documents feature in oz? |
| 18:29.22 | kergoth | in general? |
| 18:29.23 | Com[Plex | I never use it. and its aggrevating |
| 18:29.23 | kergoth | not yet |
| 18:29.27 | kergoth | I'm rewriting launcher |
| 18:29.33 | Com[Plex | sweet :) |
| 18:29.33 | kergoth | so you'll be able to just not install the docs tab plugin |
| 18:29.42 | Com[Plex | ooh, excellent |
| 18:30.01 | Com[Plex | will makeadding files to the mediaplayers atouch more difficult, but I wotnmind |
| 18:30.20 | kergoth | exactly. but ofileselector lets you browse the filesystem structure in addition to available docs |
| 18:30.20 | treke | better yet, just make the docs tab not suck so people will want to install it :) |
| 18:30.26 | kergoth | well, we can do that too |
| 18:30.37 | kergoth | shit, every app is pluginable, make your tab an advancedfm |
| 18:31.59 | Com[Plex | really... |
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| 18:37.31 | C-Howells | Is writing to CF cards much faster than to SD? I had huge problems tryinig to scp a 40 meg tar.gz of some oggs to the SD card over a wireless LAN |
| 18:37.57 | Com[Plex | meduium mount settigns are not saving. |
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| 18:38.06 | C-Howells | bflushd seemed to be taking up lots of CPU time |
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| 18:38.33 | agupta | kergoth: sup |
| 18:39.11 | cmartin | while compiling oz i get an error with qt_override.cpp |
| 18:42.21 | cmartin | any ideas anybody |
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| 18:42.51 | cmartin | qt_override.cpp: In function `static void QApplication::setStyle(QStyle *)': |
| 18:42.51 | cmartin | qt_override.cpp:141: no method `QApplication::setStyle_NonWeak' |
| 18:44.38 | kergoth | that indicates at least one of the opie patches didnt apply, iirc |
| 18:45.41 | cmartin | can i make then be applied again |
| 18:45.53 | cmartin | mrproper didn't change anything |
| 18:46.04 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:46.09 | kergoth | that doesnt tell me anything |
| 18:46.16 | kergoth | make clean qt/e, and log the build |
| 18:46.24 | kergoth | see exactly what patches are being applied to the tree |
| 18:48.27 | cmartin | .patches says - compile and devfs |
| 18:48.44 | kergoth | it didnt apply any of the opie qte patches then. |
| 18:48.50 | kergoth | sounds like your Sources var is messed |
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| 18:50.30 | cmartin | how do i find out what it looks like and how do i fix it? |
| 18:50.56 | kergoth | uh, vi packages/qte/Makefile |
| 18:51.04 | agupta | heh |
| 18:51.09 | kergoth | i dont know how to fix a problem you introduced |
| 18:51.10 | numatrix | kergoth: Did you see the old builds and feeds I had archived at http://zaurii.com/oz ? That's a fair amount of stuff that you can probably remove. |
| 18:51.15 | kergoth | i'm not fscking psychic here. |
| 18:51.23 | agupta | its so freaking slow. |
| 18:51.27 | numatrix | psychotic? debatable. psychic? not likely... ;-) |
| 18:51.46 | pb_ | agupta: guess you need a vectorised bash implementation |
| 18:51.51 | agupta | heh |
| 18:51.57 | agupta | this is just a crappy supercomp |
| 18:52.03 | agupta | i'm talking about the compile though |
| 18:52.09 | agupta | ./configure takes 15 minutes |
| 18:52.16 | pb_ | oh yeah, I guess it'd be a vectorised gcc you need really. |
| 18:52.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:52.59 | cmartin | Sources = ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qtopia/$(if $(filter 2.3.4-snapshot%,$(Version)),snapshots,source)/qt-embedded-$(Version).tar.gz; \ |
| 18:52.59 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.59 | cmartin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.13 | cmartin | is something wrong with that? |
| 18:53.36 | kergoth | $(warning echo Sources evaluates to $(Sources)) |
| 18:53.42 | kergoth | add that to the makefile below the set of Source |
| 18:54.42 | kergoth | s/echo // |
| 18:54.42 | kergoth | heh |
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| 18:55.21 | kergoth | hey schurig |
| 18:55.34 | agupta | hey schurig |
| 18:55.45 | schurig | kergoth: hi! |
| 18:56.53 | schurig | kergoth: when do you move? |
| 18:56.58 | kergoth | next week |
| 18:57.43 | ljp_ | whens the first paycheck? |
| 18:58.04 | kergoth | get paid weekly, so id assume in 2 weeks, given the usual 1 week lag time |
| 18:58.13 | ljp_ | weekly, nice |
| 18:58.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:58.28 | ljp_ | mine will be monthly |
| 18:59.04 | cmartin | Makefile:17: echo Sources evaluates to ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qtopia/source/qt-embedded-2.3.5.tar.gz; /home/simpad/buildroot-oz/packages/qte/compile.patch pnum=0; |
| 18:59.13 | cmartin | is that the output you wanted? |
| 18:59.18 | kergoth | cmartin: ls build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091*patch |
| 19:01.12 | schurig | ljp_: you're switching work, too? |
| 19:01.28 | ljp_ | I got hired by trolltech in australia |
| 19:01.34 | schurig | ahh, I forgot |
| 19:01.47 | schurig | monthly is very usual in germany |
| 19:01.51 | agupta | ljp_: australia?! |
| 19:01.53 | schurig | i never heard of weekly |
| 19:02.24 | ljp_ | yes, brisbane |
| 19:04.45 | treke | kergoth: how long you have to go without food? :) |
| 19:05.14 | kergoth | my parents bought me 50 ramen for my birthday. its like, fallback food |
| 19:05.18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:05.47 | treke | find a pizza place that will take credit card and I'll treat :) |
| 19:05.58 | cmartin | kergoth: build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-allowsu.patch build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-override.patch build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-simpad.patch |
| 19:05.58 | cmartin | build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-gfxraster.patch build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-qtoolbutton.patch build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-style.patch |
| 19:05.58 | cmartin | build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-listview.patch build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-setpalette.patch build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-unpolish.patch |
| 19:05.59 | cmartin | build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-makefile.patch build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-sigsegv.patch |
| 19:06.01 | schurig | ramen? What's that? |
| 19:06.11 | kergoth | cmartin: so is OPIEDIR defined? |
| 19:06.22 | kergoth | cmartin: $(warning OPIEDIR evaluates to $(OPIEDIR)) |
| 19:06.28 | kergoth | in the makefile, before the Sources var |
| 19:06.31 | cmartin | no |
| 19:06.36 | treke | schurig: The universal meal |
| 19:06.40 | cmartin | sorry, ill look |
| 19:06.41 | kergoth | cmartin: ? |
| 19:06.48 | kergoth | cmartin: of course it is, its defined in Vars.make |
| 19:06.59 | kergoth | cmartin: the question is, is it defined when we need it to be |
| 19:06.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:09.02 | schurig | kergoth: did you notice that most of the debian postinst/prerm scripts are not-as-optimal? I guess this was the third package were I fixed a "xargs rm -f " into "xargs rm". Not sure why they actually had a -f there in the firstplace, the names come from find, so the files are there ... |
| 19:10.04 | kergoth | schurig: uh, thats why we dont use the debian postinst/prerm in a lot of cases |
| 19:10.19 | schurig | kergoth: I guess that for OE it can be beneficial to not relay so heavily on debian, but pull the sources from the original place. That way the buildroot will also be a little bit more stable, because then we don't suffer from "debian removed the *.tar.gz" file |
| 19:10.38 | kergoth | schurig: many debian .diff's touch sources |
| 19:10.42 | schurig | kergoth: in pppd and apmd this was the case |
| 19:11.09 | kergoth | schurig: so in many cases we want that change, therefore rely on the .diff, and you gain nothing by relying on th e.diff but not the .tar.gz |
| 19:11.25 | cmartin | kergoth: oops - Makefile:12: OPIEDIR evaluates to |
| 19:11.27 | kergoth | unless you want to go thorugh them for me and figure out what ones we need |
| 19:11.35 | kergoth | cmartin: does Vars.make exist? |
| 19:11.40 | cmartin | OPIEDIR isn't set |
| 19:11.43 | cmartin | yes |
| 19:12.04 | kergoth | cat Vars.make|grep ^OPIEDIR |
| 19:12.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:12.08 | kergoth | oh |
| 19:12.19 | kergoth | cmartin: is SOurces = or := in qte makefile? |
| 19:12.41 | cmartin | Vars.make: export OPIEDIR=$(BUILD_DIR)/opie |
| 19:12.54 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, you could simple get a patcher-like file from oz/build/<pkg>/.patches/<patch> and put that later into oe/<category>/<pkg> ... |
| 19:13.30 | kergoth | schurig: yep, that would be best. Just saying, we cant drop the reliance on debian .diffs without considering this |
| 19:13.33 | cmartin | Sources= |
| 19:13.48 | kergoth | then it should work just fine |
| 19:13.59 | kergoth | i dont see why i havent heard a single report of qt/e not extracting except from you |
| 19:14.06 | kergoth | you're sure OPIEDIR isnt defined in the environment? |
| 19:14.35 | schurig | kergoth: last saturday mickeyl and I met in frankfurt and we talked about ideas for OE ... then we got the idea to rely less (not go totally away!) from debian. Half of the problems we read in the mailinglist are because of disappered packages ... |
| 19:14.44 | cmartin | yes, your warning line echos what i copied to irc |
| 19:14.45 | kergoth | schurig: i know. |
| 19:14.55 | schurig | another idea was the usage of an OE-mirrer, but we need someone that donates the bandwith |
| 19:15.02 | kergoth | cmartin: that isnt what i asked. |
| 19:15.23 | treke | schurig: if you can make the technical side of mirroring happen. bandwidth can be found |
| 19:15.25 | kergoth | schurig: the main reason i keep things as they are now, is that source removal is a notification of the avialability of a newer version of a package |
| 19:15.26 | schurig | and again another idea was that we could have a fallback. First the buildsystem tries to get the source from the original place/debian place. If that fails, then it gets the source from the OE fallback |
| 19:15.35 | kergoth | schurig: yes, OE needs mirror handling in general. |
| 19:15.36 | cmartin | you mean in my environment? |
| 19:15.53 | kergoth | cmartin: yes |
| 19:15.59 | cmartin | it's not defined |
| 19:15.59 | kergoth | cmartin: prior to calling buildroot |
| 19:16.00 | bipolar | what init level does opie run in on the zaurus? |
| 19:16.05 | kergoth | well i have no idea then. |
| 19:16.06 | treke | bipolar: 2 |
| 19:16.06 | kergoth | bipolar: 2 |
| 19:16.11 | bipolar | thanks |
| 19:16.47 | kergoth | schurig: since we dont have notification scripts on availability of newer package versions of things yet, as discussed when we layed out the system, breaking the build is a pretty hard notification, but does the job |
| 19:16.50 | cmartin | should Vars.make be called before Sources? |
| 19:16.55 | bipolar | the link was missing in my image |
| 19:16.56 | schurig | treke: the technical side should not be tooo difficult. It can be built into "oebuild". We have SSH keys from all developers anyway because of BK. |
| 19:16.57 | kergoth | cmartin: doesnt matter. |
| 19:17.04 | kergoth | cmartin: sources isnt evaluated until its used |
| 19:17.07 | kergoth | cmartin: unleess you're using := |
| 19:17.09 | schurig | oebuild would than simply scp the files to the mirror, together with an md5sum. |
| 19:17.56 | schurig | kergoth: you can create such a notification system quite easily. Query the database for all SRC_URI keys and look if the source is still there ... |
| 19:17.56 | kergoth | masticator: the beast fell off the net |
| 19:18.07 | kergoth | schurig: .. no |
| 19:18.18 | kergoth | schurig: if we stop relying on debian, the source will always exist |
| 19:18.46 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, not always. Some gnu-tools move from time to time to some "old", "attic" or whatever named directory |
| 19:18.56 | kergoth | schurig: yes, and we cant rely on that definitively. |
| 19:19.00 | kergoth | schurig: because it may or may not occur. |
| 19:19.17 | kergoth | schurig: what we need, is a user suplied regex of available upstream source, what portion of the filename corresponds to 'version' |
| 19:19.25 | kergoth | schurig: and a check for upstream files, with version comparison |
| 19:19.30 | kergoth | schurig: based on that format |
| 19:19.36 | kergoth | schurig: we discussed this before |
| 19:19.46 | schurig | another idea for later implementation is to get the SRC_URIs of http/ftp urls, remove one level, get the page and make an md5sum of it. Then do this one week later. If the md5sum changed, than maybe a newer version of the software is downloadable. Crude, with many false positives, but maybe it works. |
| 19:20.23 | treke | it also doesnt work with pages that dont allow directory listings |
| 19:20.23 | kergoth | personally i think the dev supplied file format is more fleixble |
| 19:20.36 | treke | or pages where one level down is a news page |
| 19:20.39 | schurig | "dev supplied"? |
| 19:20.46 | kergoth | schurig: yes, var in the .oe |
| 19:21.12 | kergoth | schurig: http:///blahblahblah/name-([^-*])-heh.tar.gz |
| 19:21.33 | kergoth | course that assumes we can get a dir listing as well, so its just as prone to failure i suppose |
| 19:21.37 | kergoth | less false positives though |
| 19:21.42 | kergoth | only matches |
| 19:22.03 | schurig | UPDATE_MONITOR=http://blahblah/name-[-\d]*.tar.bz2 |
| 19:22.09 | treke | or we could just check for updates by hand if we actually care :) |
| 19:22.29 | kergoth | right, and it attempts a listing, rips out that which matches that regex, and md5sums *that*, or goes a step further and does a version comparison |
| 19:22.46 | kergoth | its more complex, but also less prone to failure imho |
| 19:22.59 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:23.09 | schurig | oe.py already contains some good code of version comparisons (ripped out if gentoo's portage) ... |
| 19:23.51 | schurig | kergoth: another thing that would be handy for me if you would make a wiki page with a wild list of special cases the current buildroot handles. E.g. configure cache, libtool, whatever |
| 19:23.59 | bipolar | This looks cool. Might be a way to drag n' drop to/from zaurus securely. http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:24.11 | schurig | maybe a package name of a current OZ package for me to verify. |
| 19:24.11 | kergoth | schurig: okay |
| 19:24.35 | schurig | I think I know the current buildroot quite good, but am not "the master" (tm) of it :-) |
| 19:25.08 | djr | heh |
| 19:25.17 | schurig | bipolar: I use kde. Did you ever enter a fish:// url into konquerer? |
| 19:25.49 | kergoth | harlekin says fish doesnt work with the Z |
| 19:25.54 | kergoth | likely due to busyboxisms |
| 19:26.04 | schurig | bipolar: fish://holger@127.0.0.1/tmp |
| 19:26.27 | schurig | kergoth: that would be sad. I'll try it tomorrow on my ramses |
| 19:26.37 | C-Howells | Yeah, I tried fish tonight and couldn't get it to work :( |
| 19:27.22 | kergoth | someone should really look into it |
| 19:27.24 | kergoth | hint hint |
| 19:27.27 | kergoth | ;) |
| 19:27.35 | bipolar | schurig: fish://? |
| 19:27.36 | C-Howells | lol |
| 19:27.55 | C-Howells | kergoth: I might just take the easy option and buy a card reader thingy :) |
| 19:28.02 | C-Howells | I only want it to transfer music to the Z |
| 19:28.06 | kergoth | slacker |
| 19:28.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:28.13 | kergoth | scp works just fine |
| 19:28.17 | C-Howells | indeed :) |
| 19:28.38 | C-Howells | scp wasn't very happy transferring a 40MB tar.gz to a MMC card tonight |
| 19:28.39 | schurig | bipolar: KDE has many kio-daemons that do all sort of weird things. On KDE 3.2 you can look the pictures of your camery in Konquerer using camera://. Actually, you can open those URL in any KDE programs,so I can directly import a JPG from my kamera into kword. |
| 19:28.54 | kergoth | kio rocks |
| 19:29.14 | schurig | bipolar: fish is the one for ssh file access |
| 19:29.21 | schurig | bipolar: something like sftp. |
| 19:29.23 | C-Howells | scp kept stopping, with bflushd consuming lots of CPU |
| 19:29.32 | schurig | C-Howells: btw, does sftp work with OZ? |
| 19:29.50 | C-Howells | schurig: I've never tried it, I don't have sftp on my Z |
| 19:29.58 | C-Howells | Might be worth trying though |
| 19:30.03 | kergoth | uh, iirc, sftp is in the ssh-common ipk |
| 19:30.07 | kergoth | it should work fine |
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| 19:30.11 | kergoth | havent tried it in ages though |
| 19:30.12 | agupta | whoa: http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/adapter.html |
| 19:30.13 | agupta | thats insane |
| 19:30.27 | schurig | C-Howells: sftp is the client on your x86 box. On the the other end (the OZ box) you need a line like |
| 19:30.29 | schurig | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/ssh/sftp-server |
| 19:30.41 | schurig | in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file |
| 19:30.43 | C-Howells | ah, cool, will try that |
| 19:30.49 | schurig | and of course the binary ... |
| 19:30.52 | kergoth | ah thats right, its in ssh-server then. pretty sure the path is correct |
| 19:31.03 | schurig | kergoth: the path was from Mdk82 :-) |
| 19:31.05 | agupta | ibot seen lorddavon |
| 19:31.06 | | lorddavon <davon@ptd-24-31-128-230.maine.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 58d 4h 19m 57s ago, saying: 'Morning everyone.'. |
| 19:31.10 | schurig | (or, from my selfcompiles ssh) |
| 19:31.10 | agupta | beh |
| 19:31.12 | agupta | ibot seen onyx4 |
| 19:31.12 | | onyx4 <onyx4@adsl-63-194-216-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 96d 22h 30m 57s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 19:31.15 | agupta | ibot seen sandman1 |
| 19:31.15 | | agupta: i haven't seen 'sandman1' |
| 19:31.19 | agupta | ibot seen sandman |
| 19:31.19 | | sandman <~sandman@pD9E8A201.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 45d 5h 32m 9s ago, saying: 'this is a mail from andyc about BT uarts on ipaqs'. |
| 19:31.23 | agupta | wtf? |
| 19:31.33 | pb_ | sandman never comes here anymore. |
| 19:31.36 | kergoth | agupta: dunno whats up with ld. the other guys who got the c700 loaners are wondering whats up too, since he was running the project |
| 19:31.43 | kergoth | sandman seems really busy with work |
| 19:31.57 | pb_ | yeah, sucks when that happens. |
| 19:32.13 | schurig | or he lost interest. Maybe he flushed his Z down the toilet ... |
| 19:32.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:32.41 | pb_ | schurig: always assuming the best, I see |
| 19:32.47 | bipolar | anyone know a quick way to downsample a list of mp3s to 64kps? I need to cram some music on my 64MB sd card for the flight. |
| 19:32.54 | schurig | pb_: I'm an optimist |
| 19:32.56 | agupta | kergoth: and onyx4? |
| 19:33.03 | kergoth | agupta: dunno |
| 19:33.06 | agupta | kergoth: i wanna talk to lorddavon about getting a c700 |
| 19:33.08 | agupta | :\ |
| 19:33.44 | schurig | bipolar: convert them to wav and reconvert them to mp3, maybe via pipes and "for f in *.mp3; do; ...; done |
| 19:34.11 | kergoth | agupta: figured. may be worth dropping him an email |
| 19:34.16 | schurig | bipolar: I hope you have some CPU cycles to burn |
| 19:34.18 | agupta | kergoth: yea |
| 19:34.22 | agupta | ibot lorddavon |
| 19:34.22 | | agupta: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 19:34.28 | agupta | *mutter* |
| 19:34.30 | agupta | whats his email |
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| 19:34.37 | kergoth | hold on |
| 19:34.38 | treke | last I heard he was getting out of whatever he was doing with dynamism |
| 19:34.39 | kergoth | i have it .. somewhere |
| 19:34.40 | bipolar | schurig: pleny of cycles |
| 19:34.40 | agupta | icefox: hey |
| 19:34.45 | kergoth | yeah, he didnt want the project anymore |
| 19:34.50 | kergoth | but he never really passed it on to anyone |
| 19:34.53 | kergoth | he wanted me to run it |
| 19:34.58 | agupta | oh i see |
| 19:35.01 | kergoth | (as if i dont have enough shit on my plate) |
| 19:35.02 | agupta | so he's not working with em anymore? |
| 19:35.04 | treke | some legal things |
| 19:35.09 | agupta | he probably can't help me much then |
| 19:35.17 | agupta | hmmf |
| 19:35.24 | agupta | maybe i should just email dynamism myself |
| 19:35.41 | icefox | agupta: hey |
| 19:35.51 | agupta | icefox: whats new |
| 19:36.02 | agupta | what are the chances they'll give me a discount cuz i'm an OZ devel? |
| 19:36.02 | treke | "we'd be glad to ship you a loaner c700. just send us a nonrefundable 700 dollar deposit" |
| 19:36.09 | icefox | just got back from my anyaversary vacation |
| 19:36.10 | agupta | no, i'm willing to pay |
| 19:36.12 | agupta | just not so much |
| 19:36.12 | agupta | heh |
| 19:36.37 | agupta | a friend wants one too, so some more discount for multiple order would be nice too |
| 19:36.39 | agupta | heheh |
| 19:36.55 | agupta | they're 495 a piece from conics if you buy 10 |
| 19:37.00 | agupta | if i can get 10 people who want em together.. |
| 19:37.33 | treke | from what I heard there was no warranty from conics |
| 19:37.42 | agupta | yea |
| 19:38.05 | kergoth | agupta: he may still have the connections there, dunno |
| 19:41.10 | agupta | kergoth: find his email? |
| 19:45.13 | kergoth | boredd |
| 19:46.22 | djr | that latest zfceu is nice... it does play at full speed if you disable sound |
| 19:46.25 | djr | its getting better |
| 19:46.26 | djr | :D |
| 19:46.36 | djr | and i sooo typed that in the wrong channel |
| 19:47.13 | agupta | heh |
| 19:47.26 | kergoth | ibot: seen drw |
| 19:47.26 | | drw <~drw@ppp-67-37-132-140.dialup.chcgil.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 3d 20h 25m 43s ago, saying: 'ahhh, right'. |
| 19:47.32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:48.00 | agupta | everyone has dissapeared |
| 19:48.02 | kergoth | I need a version of OTabBar that lets me use any qwidget in the tab itself, so one that have complete control over the tab dislpay |
| 19:48.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:48.15 | kergoth | s/that/cdan/ |
| 19:48.18 | kergoth | s/cdan/can/ |
| 19:48.20 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:48.36 | killefiz | treke: what happened to your ipaq image? |
| 19:48.46 | treke | what do you mean what happened? |
| 19:49.05 | killefiz | your website points to oz.org/unofficial but there is nothing |
| 19:49.10 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:49.17 | treke | its in official |
| 19:49.26 | killefiz | (btw: it points to http://http://openzaurus...) |
| 19:49.35 | treke | hrm |
| 19:49.41 | treke | ibot oz-ipaq |
| 19:49.41 | | rumour has it, oz-ipaq is http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 19:49.47 | treke | it's there |
| 19:50.08 | killefiz | ok - it doesn't work on a h3800, does it? |
| 19:50.16 | treke | works fine on the 3800 |
| 19:50.34 | treke | I carry a 3800 around for day to day stuff |
| 19:50.46 | treke | it doenst work on a 3900 |
| 19:50.57 | kergoth | found any volunteers for that yet? |
| 19:51.04 | treke | nope |
| 19:51.18 | pb_ | what's the issue with h3900? should be just the same as h3800 except kernel. |
| 19:51.18 | killefiz | oh - great - i'm off reading about how to flash the bootloader of the wince 3800 i borrowed then |
| 19:51.27 | agupta | http://www.dynamism.com/nexio/index.shtml |
| 19:51.29 | treke | pb_: no one interested in testing it |
| 19:51.30 | agupta | oooooooh |
| 19:51.35 | pb_ | treke: ah |
| 19:51.56 | treke | I dont have a 3900 so any images I put up would be a crap shoot |
| 19:52.30 | pb_ | yeah, fair enough |
| 19:53.40 | treke | pb_: is anyone working on the 5400? |
| 19:53.45 | pb_ | treke: me |
| 19:53.49 | treke | cool |
| 19:53.59 | treke | any word on a pxa255 based 5400? |
| 19:54.03 | pb_ | in fact, I am compiling a h5400 kernel as I type this :-) |
| 19:54.23 | pb_ | not that I've heard. I expect they will just quietly switch to pxa255 at some point, if they haven't already. |
| 19:54.32 | pb_ | mine is a pxa250, but I don't think intel are shipping that part any more. |
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| 19:55.06 | pb_ | ditto for 3900; I expect that will start using pxa255 before long. |
| 19:55.22 | pb_ | treke: yeah, jamey nearly has it going. |
| 19:55.26 | treke | cool. |
| 19:55.34 | kergoth | what interface does the built in 802 use? |
| 19:55.39 | treke | That would be way cooler than built in CF for me |
| 19:56.03 | pb_ | kergoth: usb |
| 19:57.07 | treke | pb_: does it still use the same sleeve interface? |
| 19:57.13 | pb_ | treke: yep |
| 19:57.23 | treke | drools |
| 19:58.43 | treke | 48mb rom. built in wireless. 2 CF slots. |
| 19:59.36 | kergoth | i'm still hoping sharp will release that us version of the c700 |
| 19:59.42 | kergoth | not altogether likely, but i can hope |
| 20:00.11 | treke | that also could be a good thing if they made a couple changes |
| 20:00.15 | treke | pb_: how is battery life |
| 20:00.39 | pb_ | treke: too early to say yet. |
| 20:00.57 | pb_ | we don't currently have lcd working, nor indeed the charger or battery monitor. |
| 20:00.59 | treke | you get a chance to test battery life in ce? |
| 20:01.18 | pb_ | no, though I guess I could flash pocketpc back on and play with it. |
| 20:01.33 | treke | I can probably find out elsewhere |
| 20:02.00 | pb_ | right now my 5400 is in bits with wires hanging out all over, so not really suitable for mobile use. |
| 20:02.10 | treke | hehe |
| 20:02.52 | djr|z | kergoth: oz is really stable... using all the sruff from the unstable feed |
| 20:02.58 | djr|z | Hostname: openzaurus - OS: Linux 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/armv4l - CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 9 (v4l) - Processes: 35 - Uptime: 4 Days, 11 Hours, 20 Minutes - Load Average: 2.12 - Memory Usage: 9.70mb/62.25mb (15.58%) - Disk Usage: 152.95gb/164.81gb (92.80%) |
| 20:03.02 | djr|z | hehe |
| 20:03.06 | pb_ | treke: trying to debug some problem with the damn audio driver |
| 20:03.22 | agupta | djr|z: you upgraded to unstable and it still works? |
| 20:03.22 | djr|z | not one opie crash |
| 20:03.24 | agupta | wow.. |
| 20:03.27 | agupta | i guess stuff got fixed |
| 20:03.30 | agupta | like busybox's ipkg |
| 20:03.32 | agupta | and ipkg itself |
| 20:03.38 | djr|z | no... not ipkg |
| 20:03.47 | djr|z | nor busybox... |
| 20:03.49 | agupta | heh |
| 20:03.49 | agupta | lol |
| 20:03.52 | djr|z | but everything else |
| 20:04.08 | agupta | should have guessed.. |
| 20:04.11 | agupta | i want the new opie! |
| 20:04.14 | agupta | i want a new colie image |
| 20:04.19 | agupta | i wnat access to my devel machine!! |
| 20:04.32 | djr|z | i just want a working car |
| 20:04.44 | agupta | so how did you fix busybox |
| 20:04.45 | djr|z | or $2k to fix mine |
| 20:05.07 | agupta | if you're going to ask for money, why not ask for more |
| 20:05.34 | djr|z | because im only asking for the amount i need to get it fixed |
| 20:09.14 | djr|z | ;) |
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| 20:38.20 | mickeyl | cmartin ? |
| 20:38.41 | schurig | mickeyl: hi ... |
| 20:38.49 | mickeyl | hi schurig - everything ok? |
| 20:39.17 | schurig | mickeyl: yeah. Slowly digging myself throught the suspend/resume/apm peculiarities |
| 20:39.59 | kergoth | suspend/resume in 2.4.x blows goats |
| 20:40.07 | kergoth | the flat PM event model is horrid |
| 20:40.16 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 20:40.38 | yeiazel | kergoth: going to make 2.5 work with the Z ? :) |
| 20:40.57 | kergoth | yeiazel: it does |
| 20:41.07 | kergoth | yeiazel: i did work on that beofre i did the work on 2.4 |
| 20:41.12 | yeiazel | with sd support ? |
| 20:41.14 | kergoth | yeiazel: but it hasnt been touched in a veryyyyy long time |
| 20:41.16 | kergoth | uh, no. |
| 20:41.19 | kergoth | sd support depends on a binary module |
| 20:41.20 | yeiazel | oh okay :) |
| 20:41.58 | yeiazel | I wonder if reverse-engineering this module is authorized in europe, or at least here in france. |
| 20:42.10 | yeiazel | I think it should... |
| 20:42.30 | mickeyl | cmartin: ping |
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| 20:48.51 | mickeyl | cmartin: ping ping ping.... |
| 20:49.57 | schurig | mickeyl: what is the meaning of the "Console Switch Support" in simpad? |
| 20:51.41 | schurig | kergoth: it's strange that tools like iBCS, Wine and Dosemu can execute SCO, Windows and DOS binaries. But we cannot execute binary modules for the Linux kernel itself. |
| 20:52.12 | kergoth | schurig: not strange, considering the interfaces used by those binaries are relatively static |
| 20:52.13 | mickeyl | schurig: i think that refers to virtual framebuffer consoles but I'm not sure |
| 20:52.34 | kergoth | schurig: whereas the kernel api in linux changes on a regular basis, even within a stable tree (*growls*) |
| 20:53.12 | schurig | iBCS also had to change lot's of records from one format to another ... it was posix-similar on both sides, but no match |
| 20:53.23 | schurig | or one had had STREAMS, the other not |
| 20:53.31 | schurig | even SHM is different |
| 20:54.35 | schurig | mickeyl: hmm, you have virtual framebuffer consoles without an extra patch. |
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| 20:54.46 | kergoth | yep, sholdnt have to do anything |
| 20:54.51 | kergoth | unless he means make opie deal with it better |
| 20:54.58 | kergoth | which is on my todo in the OpLauncherTODO already |
| 20:55.07 | kergoth | though it really belongs in oztodo |
| 20:55.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:55.28 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
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| 20:55.32 | TheMasterMind1 | wssup |
| 20:56.23 | schurig | mickeyl: nice, the simpad has a MQ200. That explains why the device doesn't die by DMA starvation |
| 20:56.43 | schurig | the SA1110 wouldn't hardly be able to fill the LCD and still have computing power left over |
| 20:56.58 | kergoth | mq200? |
| 20:57.11 | schurig | some LCD controller from MediaQ |
| 20:57.32 | schurig | kergoth: the Accelent IDP also has one, but did not have a driver |
| 20:57.39 | schurig | just for WinCE |
| 20:57.50 | Twiun | evening folks |
| 20:57.58 | pb_ | ipaq h5400 and dell axim also use mediaq video chips, fwiw |
| 20:58.14 | schurig | kergoth: the source of the simpad says /* 800x600, 32 bpp */ and that would be too much for the LCD controller of the SA1110 |
| 20:58.24 | kergoth | gotcha. |
| 20:59.11 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone wanna C700 from conics |
| 20:59.17 | TheMasterMind1 | if we get 10, they're only $495 |
| 20:59.27 | TheMasterMind1 | just need 7 more people.. |
| 20:59.34 | TheMasterMind1 | or even cheaper if more than 10 people |
| 20:59.38 | kergoth | feel free to solicit users on openzaurus-users |
| 20:59.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:59.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:59.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i posted on the zaurus.com forums |
| 21:00.00 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll send an email off to oz-users too |
| 21:00.01 | schurig | good bye, guys |
| 21:00.06 | kergoth | bye schurig |
| 21:02.25 | TheMasterMind1 | prolly cheaper |
| 21:02.34 | TheMasterMind1 | if you were going to japan anyway that is |
| 21:03.06 | SuKoSh| | 59800yens |
| 21:03.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot convert 59000 yen to usd |
| 21:03.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
| 21:03.46 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: you'd probably have to have them all shipped to the same location and then reship; kinda defeats the purpose saving money. |
| 21:03.49 | TheMasterMind1 | thats expensive |
| 21:03.55 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: hmm, true |
| 21:03.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:03.59 | chowells | ibot convert 59000 yen to gbp |
| 21:04.00 | TheMasterMind1 | *mutter* |
| 21:04.11 | chowells | hrm |
| 21:04.39 | chowells | ibot convert 59000 yen to pounds |
| 21:04.55 | chowells | interesting |
| 21:05.08 | numatrix | ~convert 529.584 usd to pounds |
| 21:05.19 | numatrix | So pounds are broken... |
| 21:05.25 | SuKoSh| | chowells: www.xe.net |
| 21:05.34 | chowells | maybe it thinks the unit of mass, not the currency ;) |
| 21:05.42 | chowells | SuKoSh|: yeah, will take a look |
| 21:05.43 | SuKoSh| | mine costed me around 450euros |
| 21:06.02 | SuKoSh| | + myself in japan for 3 weeks |
| 21:06.04 | numatrix | ~450 eur to usd |
| 21:06.05 | SuKoSh| | :p |
| 21:06.40 | numatrix | Yeah, right around $520 USD. Similar prices. |
| 21:07.07 | SuKoSh| | numatrix: yen is weaker now |
| 21:07.35 | numatrix | SuKoSh|: ahh. Funny that buying a PDA can now be a matter of timing the international money markets. ;-) |
| 21:08.07 | SuKoSh| | numatrix: eheh |
| 21:12.26 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.26 | TheMasterMind1 | Japan Yen = 504.474 USD |
| 21:12.26 | TheMasterMind1 | United States Dollars |
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| 21:39.49 | treke | kergoth: ever get a working toolchain |
| 21:39.51 | treke | ? |
| 22:07.28 | Com[Plex | anyone here familiar with zgcc ? IM getting errors that it cant find my include files <like stdio.h and stuff> but they are clearly located in my path statement... |
| 22:10.10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: lorddavon replied |
| 22:11.24 | treke | hopefully favorably |
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| 22:33.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: he gonna be able to help you out? |
| 22:34.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: he told me to contact a Jason at dynamism and tell em i'm working on the english conversion project |
| 22:34.45 | treke | so you should lie through your teeth? |
| 22:35.02 | TheMasterMind1 | no, i'm working on OZ |
| 22:35.04 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is in english |
| 22:35.09 | TheMasterMind1 | oz runs on c700 |
| 22:35.12 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not lying |
| 22:35.13 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 22:35.54 | kergoth | treke: cmon man, a sed line to change Locale.conf is hard work |
| 22:36.01 | kergoth | treke: takes collaboration |
| 22:37.10 | treke | ehe |
| 22:38.19 | kergoth | i cant. they decided against reworking the rom, so didnt want oz for the ones they're selling |
| 22:38.27 | kergoth | so giving it to me just nullified their value add |
| 22:38.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:38.46 | treke | kergoth: still people like OZ |
| 22:38.53 | kergoth | yeah, thats true |
| 22:39.07 | treke | if OZ works, people who use it on their 5500 might be inclined to upgrade |
| 22:39.15 | kergoth | and i tell people they lent it to me, so good promotion |
| 22:39.23 | kergoth | thats true. |
| 22:39.39 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: i just want a discount.. =D |
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| 22:41.19 | treke | being stuck on sharp's rom could be a deal breaker :) particularly when sharp isnt going to support you at all :) |
| 22:41.33 | cmartin | mickeyl: ping |
| 22:46.02 | kergoth | cmartin: playing irc tag eh? any luck on the build? |
| 22:46.08 | mickeyl | aaaaaaaaargh |
| 22:46.16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:46.35 | _Psycho | hey kergoth gcc3 work again ? |
| 22:46.40 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:46.46 | _Psycho | you had |
| 22:46.51 | kergoth | you mean do gcc3 toolchains built by buildroot function? |
| 22:46.53 | _Psycho | hmm library link stuff failure last time |
| 22:46.56 | _Psycho | yes |
| 22:46.57 | kergoth | existing toolchains are fine |
| 22:47.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:47.00 | _Psycho | thats what i mean |
| 22:47.01 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 22:47.08 | _Psycho | i need to retry a build later then |
| 22:47.10 | kergoth | grab one from handhelds.org, or one of the older oz ones |
| 22:47.16 | kergoth | just recent built ones are hosed |
| 22:47.24 | kergoth | dunno whats up with it, havent had time to research |
| 22:47.27 | _Psycho | ok will see |
| 22:48.11 | TheMasterMind1 | check it: http://multisync.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:50.21 | TheMasterMind1 | supports opie too apparently |
| 22:50.42 | kergoth | but but.. i like kitchensync |
| 22:50.42 | treke | never worked for me |
| 22:50.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:50.50 | treke | and apparently it cant sync with exchange |
| 22:50.55 | treke | so there really not much point |
| 22:51.29 | treke | although it does cool stuff like filtering what is synchronized |
| 22:53.02 | kergoth | i cant get over the 5600's big ass |
| 22:53.03 | kergoth | its huge |
| 22:53.06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:53.34 | ljp | make it work out some |
| 22:53.48 | kergoth | yeah, slacker |
| 22:54.03 | TheMasterMind1 | why would you want to sync with exchange |
| 22:54.04 | treke | TheMasterMind1: because it's there? |
| 22:54.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 22:54.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: you won't believe it... after hours we found the problem of cmartins buildroot........ you really won't believe it... can't say it.... .... ok i do.... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. |
| 22:54.04 | TheMasterMind1 | great reasoning |
| 22:54.04 | treke | thats what you do with exchange. you sync with it |
| 22:54.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: find qt*.patch|grep -v simpad doesn't work for him because.... |
| 22:54.07 | mickeyl | <tadaaa> |
| 22:54.33 | mickeyl | his buildroot is in /home/simpad |
| 22:54.33 | mickeyl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 22:54.34 | mickeyl | so find qt*patch|grep -v didn't output anything |
| 22:54.40 | mickeyl | and qt didn't get patched |
| 22:54.44 | mickeyl | is this wicked |
| 22:54.47 | kergoth | err |
| 22:54.53 | kergoth | i dont follow the logic |
| 22:55.09 | mickeyl | ok |
| 22:55.30 | mickeyl | it's the line find $(OPIEDIR)/qt/qte*patch|grep -v simpad |
| 22:55.30 | mickeyl | which is supposed to find everything without simpad in the filename |
| 22:55.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ROFL |
| 22:55.36 | mickeyl | but his buildroot is in /home/simpad |
| 22:55.37 | kergoth | oh |
| 22:55.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ROFL ROFL ROFL |
| 22:55.38 | mickeyl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 22:55.39 | TheMasterMind1 | hahahahahahaha |
| 22:55.39 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 22:55.56 | TheMasterMind1 | that's HILARIOUS |
| 22:56.06 | kergoth | thats such a silly way of doing it anyway |
| 22:56.07 | mickeyl | this is like... bug hunt of the year |
| 22:56.14 | kergoth | we should move non essential patches into qt/extra/ |
| 22:56.15 | kergoth | or something |
| 22:56.24 | mickeyl | yeah who did this? |
| 22:56.30 | kergoth | the grep crap? i did |
| 22:56.34 | kergoth | dunno who put the patch there |
| 22:56.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:56.44 | treke | definitly warwick |
| 22:56.49 | kergoth | yeah thats it |
| 22:56.50 | kergoth | bastard |
| 22:57.17 | mickeyl | hehehe |
| 22:57.30 | treke | why dont we just fuck qt source |
| 22:57.35 | treke | err. fork |
| 22:57.36 | mickeyl | man you don't believe how i hate bugs like that.... and i thought i was blind... we double-checked every fucking stupid line and is was... like that |
| 22:57.41 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:57.49 | kergoth | mickeyl: its always simpler than you think |
| 22:57.50 | mickeyl | i get old. |
| 22:58.06 | mickeyl | i knew i would have found this much quicker like several years ago |
| 22:58.09 | mickeyl | :( |
| 22:58.16 | ljp | hmm, someone sent me a huge email for modem.... |
| 22:58.32 | Neo|Work | mickeyl: 50% of all bugs seem like that |
| 22:59.06 | mickeyl | Neo|Work: ah well ... its a wonder that so much stuff actually works... |
| 23:00.28 | ljp | I'm telling TT you guys said that about them |
| 23:02.01 | ljp | hopefully, bugs you guys find will be fixed faster, soon |
| 23:02.21 | kergoth | you mean, our qt/e patches could actually *gasp* be merged? |
| 23:02.32 | ljp | depends |
| 23:02.46 | kergoth | assuming the dev who did the patch is willing to give them the rights to use that code in qpl of course |
| 23:02.48 | ljp | if it fixes a bug, or just changes stuff |
| 23:02.56 | ljp | yup |
| 23:03.14 | ljp | but even by describing the bug to them, it may get fixed as well |
| 23:03.30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:03.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp is gonna work for TT no? |
| 23:03.40 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:03.41 | treke | no |
| 23:03.43 | ljp | yes |
| 23:03.47 | treke | he's going to work for taco bell |
| 23:03.56 | ljp | depending on if the Au gov wants me there |
| 23:04.15 | treke | they let raster in. how hard can it be |
| 23:04.29 | greearb | kergoth: if you want to make bk automagically check stuff out, try this info from a friend: |
| 23:04.37 | greearb | checkout:get in BitKeeper/etc/config in the repository. |
| 23:04.47 | kergoth | i couldve sworn i added that already |
| 23:04.48 | ljp | I thought raster was native au |
| 23:04.50 | kergoth | docwhat told me to add it |
| 23:04.53 | kergoth | let me check |
| 23:05.04 | kergoth | ibot: seen docwhat |
| 23:05.05 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 40d 23h 13m 54s ago, saying: 'I'm outta here.'. |
| 23:05.05 | treke | ljp: he is, but they havent thrown him out yet |
| 23:05.11 | greearb | kergoth: maybe you did |
| 23:05.22 | greearb | I haven't checked in the last few days... |
| 23:05.32 | kergoth | greearb: if i did, it wouldve been months ago, not days :) |
| 23:05.43 | kergoth | bleh, masticator's boxes are all offline atm |
| 23:05.52 | greearb | oh...seems like last time I pulled I still had to check stuff out |
| 23:06.07 | kergoth | greearb: as did i. either its not there, or its not working. mind checking? |
| 23:06.14 | kergoth | greearb: cat BitKeeper/etc/config|grep checkout |
| 23:06.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:06.20 | kergoth | i dont have a tree in front of me |
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| 23:07.46 | greearb | not there |
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| 23:08.02 | kergoth | greearb: i'd be willing to bet i added it in a tree and then forgot about it |
| 23:08.14 | kergoth | greearb: therein lie the perils of dealing with a shitload of cloned bk trees |
| 23:08.23 | kergoth | greearb: thanks, i'll add it again, and push it this time :) |
| 23:08.36 | treke | cvs doesnt have that problem |
| 23:08.44 | kergoth | cvs has plenty of its own problems |
| 23:08.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:09.06 | ljp | gerbils have tails |
| 23:09.37 | treke | ljp: when do you hear back about your visa? |
| 23:09.59 | ljp | dunno |
| 23:10.11 | ljp | warwick is in oslo this week |
| 23:10.28 | ljp | hopefully soon |
| 23:12.10 | ljp | they'll probably come back with, "you used to own/live in a 1957 chevy bus. sorry" |
| 23:14.42 | ljp | or, "sorry, you dont have enough money to stay for four years" |
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| 23:21.43 | greearb | kergoth: does the 2.4.19 kernel work with the Zaurus build now? |
| 23:22.09 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 23:22.11 | TheMasterMind1 | well, yes |
| 23:22.13 | TheMasterMind1 | but not fully |
| 23:22.16 | TheMasterMind1 | its not ready for use yet |
| 23:22.20 | TheMasterMind1 | read the news on openzaurus.org |
| 23:22.28 | greearb | I don't need the SD support... |
| 23:22.29 | kergoth | greearb: it should compile, if thats what you're asking |
| 23:22.44 | kergoth | greearb: and when you h it full reset it just boots, it doesnt pay attention to the battery swtich :) |
| 23:22.48 | TheMasterMind1 | greearb: still missing some other stuff |
| 23:22.49 | kergoth | greearb: few other minor things like that |
| 23:23.32 | greearb | ok...if I choose it in the make-file, opie et all will build (or at least should build) ? |
| 23:23.38 | greearb | reading news now :) |
| 23:23.45 | kergoth | i wouldnt guarantee opie functionality |
| 23:23.51 | kergoth | need to make sure the makefiels use the right patches |
| 23:23.58 | kergoth | it needs to use the c700 keyboard patch, and tslib |
| 23:24.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: my bk pull broke when my internet connection failed temporarily. now bitkeeper has a stale read lock - can you delete this or does this refer to my local repository? |
| 23:25.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: hold.. not sure what it refers to, and my build box is down |
| 23:25.11 | mickeyl | ok |
| 23:25.14 | kergoth | i'll connect to my box at home though and check |
| 23:25.22 | greearb | mickeyl: try bk abort |
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| 23:25.22 | mickeyl | great. thanks |
| 23:25.23 | kergoth | either way one of us needs to make use of bk unlock |
| 23:25.33 | kergoth | whats abort do? |
| 23:25.34 | treke | mickeyl: needs to |
| 23:25.35 | kergoth | never used that myself |
| 23:25.37 | mickeyl | No RESYNC dir, nothing to abort |
| 23:25.38 | treke | I just pulled fine |
| 23:25.48 | kergoth | k |
| 23:26.02 | treke | 32 files updated |
| 23:26.07 | mickeyl | still nogo here... mmmh |
| 23:26.17 | greearb | it aborts a pull, specially useful if you want to abort when you see a merge problem |
| 23:26.26 | kergoth | iirc you need bk unlock to deal with a stale lock |
| 23:26.41 | greearb | probably so |
| 23:26.42 | kergoth | most merge problems can be dealt with via bk resolve. its pretty rare to need anythign else |
| 23:26.55 | treke | someone needs to tell cmarting not put put bziped patches into bk :) |
| 23:27.01 | greearb | heh, I'm bad to pull from the wrong repository and other such silly things |
| 23:27.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 23:27.06 | TheMasterMind1 | bzip?! |
| 23:27.09 | kergoth | cmartin has bk push access? |
| 23:27.23 | mickeyl | treke: sorry that would be me :)) |
| 23:27.25 | treke | well I assume it was cmartin |
| 23:27.30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:27.34 | kergoth | ~bitchslap mickeyl |
| 23:27.35 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of mickeyl |
| 23:27.35 | mickeyl | treke: no no, i did the first work for simpad |
| 23:27.54 | mickeyl | damn - that's hurt... and that's after my bughunt for hours... |
| 23:28.11 | kergoth | bk rm the bzipped file, and add it in as text so it can be tracked |
| 23:28.26 | kergoth | we're collecting a fair bit of old binary file cruft in BitKeeper/deleted |
| 23:28.51 | kergoth | those old konq ipks are still floating in there |
| 23:28.56 | kergoth | i'm tempted to kill em off and bk gone em |
| 23:28.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:29.01 | treke | hehe |
| 23:29.22 | treke | and apparently mickeyl is under the illusion that I know what I am doing :) |
| 23:29.34 | kergoth | treke: shh, you're supposed to take advantage of it |
| 23:29.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:29.44 | treke | hehe |
| 23:29.54 | mickeyl | yeah, I have respect for you... you're the OZ-IPAQ guy! |
| 23:30.10 | treke | hehe. |
| 23:30.10 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 23:30.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ya, oz-ipaq++ |
| 23:30.21 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 23:30.24 | TheMasterMind1 | does this make any sense |
| 23:30.27 | kergoth | no |
| 23:30.29 | treke | no |
| 23:30.30 | ljp | I thought he was just the annoy th ehell out of everybody guy |
| 23:30.35 | TheMasterMind1 | $c=0; $c = $c++; echo $c."\n"; |
| 23:30.36 | TheMasterMind1 | $c=0; $c += $c++; echo $c."\n"; |
| 23:30.37 | treke | ljp: that too |
| 23:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | first one echoes 0, second is 1 |
| 23:30.56 | treke | TheMasterMind1: makes sense |
| 23:31.04 | TheMasterMind1 | how |
| 23:31.08 | treke | TheMasterMind1: $c++ increments after returning |
| 23:31.18 | treke | $c = ++$c would do what you are thinking of |
| 23:31.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i know |
| 23:31.23 | TheMasterMind1 | that makes sense |
| 23:31.25 | TheMasterMind1 | but the second one? |
| 23:32.23 | treke | += probably has a lower precedence than ++ |
| 23:32.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:32.39 | TheMasterMind1 | thats reasonable |
| 23:32.44 | TheMasterMind1 | k, makes sense |
| 23:32.49 | kergoth | isnt precedence fun? |
| 23:32.52 | kergoth | ;) |
| 23:33.11 | TheMasterMind1 | oh yea |
| 23:33.16 | treke | what language? |
| 23:33.24 | kergoth | looks like perl |
| 23:33.24 | TheMasterMind1 | php |
| 23:33.27 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:33.28 | kergoth | close enough |
| 23:33.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i r d php |
| 23:34.12 | treke | generally I prefer rewriting stuff if I have to say "wtf does that work like that" |
| 23:34.36 | pb_ | that's a losing proposition in perl though, you'd be perpetually rewriting the same thing over and over. |
| 23:34.43 | treke | hehe |
| 23:34.44 | kergoth | good point |
| 23:35.09 | treke | php isnt much better :) |
| 23:35.46 | treke | ~lart static members getting ths $this of whatever object calls it |
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| 23:36.16 | kergoth | ~lart treke for using a static member if he needs to touch $this |
| 23:36.42 | treke | at least not intentionally |
| 23:37.28 | ljp | treke: you touched your static member? |
| 23:37.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:37.49 | kergoth | i should really finish up that launcher stuff |
| 23:38.16 | greearb | kergoth: another question on the kernel: If I have compiled the rest of the packages while 2.4.6 was selected, do I have to mrproper or clean everything when I change to 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 23:38.54 | kergoth | greearb: anything that depends on it. so any kernel modules in the kernel & modules menu.. affix, etc |
| 23:39.20 | greearb | ok...not sure I ever got affix to compile anyway :) |
| 23:39.21 | kergoth | greearb: and some userspace packages will adapt to it to determine what packages to apply, due to differing interfaces |
| 23:39.29 | kergoth | opie for example, and qte |
| 23:39.44 | greearb | so, need to re-build them, or will they adapt runtime ? |
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| 23:39.55 | kergoth | depends. afaik they're build time atm |
| 23:40.15 | kergoth | but once everything is using my new qte keyboard patch, and tslib, we wont need those anymore for qt/e |
| 23:40.37 | kergoth | dont grr at tslib |
| 23:40.41 | kergoth | tslib is spiffy |
| 23:41.03 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, cept it don't work right |
| 23:41.06 | TheMasterMind1 | damn magic values |
| 23:41.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:41.24 | kergoth | I think there's still a underlying problem in the driver |
| 23:41.26 | kergoth | not sure what it is |
| 23:41.29 | greearb | ok...I'll try to get 2.4.6 booting first...maybe by the time I get that going the 2.4.19 kernel will be easier to make work :) |
| 23:41.31 | kergoth | need to spend some time on it |
| 23:41.38 | kergoth | greearb: good plan |
| 23:42.04 | TheMasterMind1 | that should be a challenge |
| 23:42.09 | TheMasterMind1 | all recent images have failed to boot |
| 23:42.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i blame ipkg |
| 23:42.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i say we all kill the maintainer |
| 23:42.34 | treke | Agreed |
| 23:42.34 | kergoth | my recent images boot |
| 23:42.36 | treke | ~kill TheMasterMind1 |
| 23:42.37 | | ACTION executes killall -9 TheMasterMind1 |
| 23:42.55 | treke | maybe you all should just get ipaqs |
| 23:43.00 | kergoth | i had those oddities |
| 23:43.01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:43.05 | TheMasterMind1 | i want a c700 |
| 23:43.08 | kergoth | but i think those were 2.95.4+cvs binutils induced |
| 23:43.11 | TheMasterMind1 | *drool* |
| 23:43.12 | kergoth | need to throw together another |
| 23:44.23 | treke | kergoth: you ever get the 3.2 toolchain working? |
| 23:45.16 | kergoth | naw, its still hosed |
| 23:45.23 | kergoth | libgcc is anyway |
| 23:45.27 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.27 | TheMasterMind1 | unless otherwise stated (example: Kingston RAM - return to USA is ok). |
| 23:45.41 | TheMasterMind1 | The warranty offered with the items on Shop.Conics.Net requires return to Conics.Net in Japan. |
| 23:45.41 | TheMasterMind1 | (as with all other PCs etc... Damage due to missuse is not covered, neither are software problems) |
| 23:46.04 | TheMasterMind1 | Therefore, there is no warranty for any dead pixels unless and until your display has 8 or more such dead pixels. |
| 23:46.06 | kergoth | whats the warranty length on the c700 through sharp? |
| 23:46.23 | kergoth | if you have to ship it back to japan on a conics.net purchase? |
| 23:46.51 | TheMasterMind1 | http://shop.conics.net/contact/del-mail.html |
| 23:47.02 | TheMasterMind1 | if you ship it to sharp they won't ship it back to you though |
| 23:49.19 | greearb | how does one gain a clue about the make image_config process? There are _so_ many options! |
| 23:49.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:49.31 | kergoth | there are _so_ many packages. |
| 23:49.36 | kergoth | copy a default |
| 23:49.46 | kergoth | cp def-configs/collie-opie output/.config; make image_oldconfig |
| 23:49.47 | treke | simple. pick the packages you want or use one of the default configs |
| 23:50.19 | kergoth | treke: i'm reviewing the taskbar applet interface |
| 23:50.28 | greearb | will it let you pick things you haven't compiled? |
| 23:50.31 | kergoth | treke: i dislike its use of an arbitrary # as a taskbar 'position' |
| 23:50.38 | kergoth | greearb: uh, it lest you pick from ipks that exist |
| 23:50.43 | kergoth | greearb: if you didnt build it, its ipk doesnt exist |
| 23:50.59 | greearb | ok, so I can't easily select something that doesn't exist...that is helpful :) |
| 23:51.06 | kergoth | treke: so i'm thinking maybe an enum.. LeftPos, RightPos, or MidPos |
| 23:51.19 | mickeyl | kergoth: good idea |
| 23:51.20 | kergoth | treke: which requests a 'default' position. append to left, append to right, or where th efuck ever |
| 23:51.35 | kergoth | then have a config app that selects positioning the same way today does it |
| 23:52.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: also I'd like to have something like on windows (eek)... hiding inactive applets - could come in handy for such a small screen size |
| 23:52.35 | kergoth | mickeyl: thats not a bad idea. something worth adding |
| 23:52.47 | kergoth | just keep track of the last time that applet got an event |
| 23:52.51 | TheMasterMind1 | eheheh |
| 23:52.53 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:53.23 | TheMasterMind1 | i emailed conics.. told em to gimme discount so i can work on OZ and then release it cuz people release of C700 oz will bring them business |
| 23:53.24 | TheMasterMind1 | =D |
| 23:53.37 | mickeyl | TheMasterMind1: what did they reply? |
| 23:53.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its true too |
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| 23:55.04 | ljp | note to past self: self, go ahead and ask that cute neighbor girl out. she likes you. |
| 23:55.11 | mickeyl | n8 all |
| 23:55.14 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:55.24 | kergoth | current applets derive a class from the applet interface |
| 23:55.33 | Com[Plex | wich one of the sharps libs was needed to use opera on OZ? was it libqpe or libqte ? |
| 23:55.33 | kergoth | and create teh apporopriate widget in that derived class |
| 23:56.09 | kergoth | my new opieapp plugin interface, lets you pass a pointer to a widget to pass back, and we run 'new' on it within the Q_EXPORT_INTERFACE function and pass it into the constructor |
| 23:56.16 | kergoth | which i think is cleaner. |
| 23:56.18 | kergoth | any opinions? |
| 23:56.56 | TheMasterMind1 | no reply yet |
| 23:57.02 | TheMasterMind1 | i also asked about multiple buys |
| 23:57.09 | greearb | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ftplib: |
| 23:57.09 | greearb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.19 | TheMasterMind1 | since a couple of my friends and undoubtly some oz devel/users will be interested also |
| 23:57.19 | kergoth | greearb: rm output/ipks/qpf-bitstream-vera-light_*ipk |
| 23:57.29 | ljp | kergoth: sounds interesting |
| 23:57.29 | kergoth | greearb: its erroring due to their being two ipks that Provide it |
| 23:57.34 | kergoth | greearb: and you have to choose |
| 23:57.42 | kergoth | greearb: but image creation doesnt facilitate that easily.. so just remove one :) |
| 23:57.55 | greearb | fair enough :) |
| 23:58.02 | ljp | kergoth: please document it, in source, if not elsewhere |
| 23:58.16 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf, ftplib depends on qpf |
| 23:58.18 | TheMasterMind1 | thats a good one |
| 23:58.19 | greearb | in the error message, would be best for folks |
| 23:58.22 | kergoth | ljp: oh i will, it needs documenting. should make doing implementations of it slightly less painless |
| 23:58.27 | kergoth | greearb: its supposed to error properly |
| 23:58.29 | kergoth | greearb: its an ipkg bug |
| 23:58.40 | TheMasterMind1 | need to call dynamism and talk to jason guy too |
| 23:58.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: opie-common depends on vera |
| 23:58.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: anything that depends on opie-common therefore needs it |
| 23:59.05 | kergoth | thats why its picking it up |
| 23:59.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:59.09 | kergoth | but the error isnt clear |
| 23:59.10 | TheMasterMind1 | so basically, ipkg sucks |
| 23:59.12 | kergoth | yet another ipkg bug |
| 23:59.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:59.23 | greearb | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kernel-modules: |
| 23:59.23 | greearb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.30 | ljp | bbl |
| 23:59.33 | greearb | kernel config problem? |
| 23:59.34 | kergoth | thats a real bug there |
| 23:59.38 | kergoth | ipkg-make-kernel-packages bug |
| 23:59.46 | kergoth | its adding vfat-modules to deps, even if vfat-moduels didnt contain any files |
| 23:59.52 | kergoth | (which means it was built monolithically) |
