| 00:01.06 | mithro | when i try and run any zaurus program i get a undefined symbol "_7QString.shared_null" |
| 00:03.13 | mithro | anyone got any idea how to fix it? |
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| 00:17.36 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth |
| 00:18.11 | kergoth | hey |
| 00:22.41 | treke|ho1e | ugh. its sunday |
| 00:22.43 | treke|ho1e | dammit |
| 00:22.46 | kergoth | ibot: sunday |
| 00:22.47 | | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 00:24.23 | djr | kergoth: want that shell? |
| 00:24.40 | Speedy2 | Yeah. |
| 00:24.47 | Speedy2 | I always hated Sunday because next day was Monday. |
| 00:25.10 | treke|ho1e | 5:30 and the only thing I've accomplished is bringing clothes to the cleaners :) |
| 00:26.45 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: thats more than i |
| 00:26.47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:27.09 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
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| 00:33.30 | _Psycho | kergoth opie stop at libkeyview, any idea what is it ? |
| 00:33.47 | kergoth | let me guess, gcc3 build? |
| 00:33.57 | kergoth | keyview is an inputmethod that displays info about the keycode |
| 00:34.06 | kergoth | for development |
| 00:34.09 | _Psycho | indeed |
| 00:34.48 | kergoth | disable it in packages/opie/defconfig |
| 00:34.53 | kergoth | its not needed for most anyway |
| 00:34.57 | _Psycho | ok thanks thats what i was seeking |
| 00:35.16 | _Psycho | almost |
| 00:35.20 | _Psycho | when i build opie he keep |
| 00:35.29 | _Psycho | asking me for the login thing |
| 00:35.53 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: dont you love i when something breaks in an image that there is no good reason for? :) |
| 00:36.38 | _Psycho | login settings (LOGIN_SETTINGS) (NEW) always come back |
| 00:36.40 | kergoth | _Psycho: just hit enter. thats a new app that was added. |
| 00:36.42 | kergoth | _Psycho: of course it does. |
| 00:36.45 | _Psycho | i know |
| 00:36.48 | kergoth | thats exactly what should happen. |
| 00:36.51 | _Psycho | usually they go away ;) |
| 00:36.54 | kergoth | until someone adds it to defconfig |
| 00:36.55 | kergoth | no |
| 00:37.01 | _Psycho | probably because opie didnt finished to build ? |
| 00:37.02 | kergoth | they go away when someone adds them to the opie defconfig |
| 00:37.02 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 00:37.03 | kergoth | and not before |
| 00:37.05 | _Psycho | i see |
| 00:38.39 | _Psycho | hoping to get a new image tonight |
| 00:38.44 | _Psycho | been a long time since i got one ;) |
| 00:38.59 | kergoth | dont forget libgcc, its needed for gcc3 builds. |
| 00:39.09 | _Psycho | its in it |
| 00:46.35 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: did you put calibrate back into opie for any particular reason? |
| 00:46.40 | treke|ho1e | er launcer |
| 00:48.36 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: yeah, calibrate has to be the qws server. i dont recall why. |
| 00:48.49 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 00:48.52 | _Psycho | he was segfaulting ;) |
| 00:49.08 | _Psycho | but dont ask my why either ;) |
| 00:49.09 | treke|ho1e | gues that means /etc/pointcal becomes world writable :) |
| 00:49.28 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 00:50.31 | treke|ho1e | ok something is serioulsly fucked up here |
| 00:50.48 | treke|ho1e | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe is a directory with keytabs in it |
| 00:50.57 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:50.59 | treke|ho1e | and opie binaries are in the kernel modules directory |
| 00:51.09 | ljp | hehehee |
| 00:52.33 | treke|ho1e | on the bright side, pcmcia works again :) |
| 00:57.01 | ljp | wow. all the laundry in my closet is actually all washed! |
| 00:57.09 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 00:57.13 | treke|ho1e | not for long |
| 00:57.22 | treke|ho1e | unless you washed the laundry naked |
| 00:57.29 | ljp | I havent seen the floor in there for years |
| 00:58.29 | ljp | hahaha |
| 01:01.04 | ljp | wow, I just found a newspaper announcing Jerry Garcia's death |
| 01:01.33 | treke|ho1e | he died? |
| 01:01.42 | ljp | he's dead? next someone will tell me that John Lennon died too |
| 01:02.33 | ljp | I have wayy too many computers |
| 01:03.02 | treke|ho1e | tell trolltech you need a laptop |
| 01:03.56 | ljp | well, if they dont supply one, I'll get my own |
| 01:04.21 | treke|ho1e | if your going to get your own, buy it before you leave |
| 01:04.25 | ljp | but what to do with all of these I have here |
| 01:04.33 | treke|ho1e | from what I hear, shit is expensive as hell out in au |
| 01:04.40 | treke|ho1e | (hardware wise) |
| 01:04.50 | ljp | ehh, dollar for dolar, its about the same |
| 01:05.17 | ljp | a bit more expensive, but not a whole lot once you figure in the exchange rate |
| 01:05.47 | treke|ho1e | I havent looked, just going on what other australians have told me |
| 01:06.02 | ljp | ya, I just looked at a few web sites |
| 01:06.21 | ljp | plus I can always send it to my brother here, and get him to send it there |
| 01:06.59 | ljp | there's a few Fieros there too |
| 01:08.24 | ljp | chouimat|walk: we will never forgive you people for Celine Dion! |
| 01:08.35 | treke|ho1e | so true. so true |
| 01:08.51 | kergoth | bought the south park dvd the other day |
| 01:08.53 | kergoth | funny, funny shit |
| 01:08.58 | kergoth | hadnt seen it in a while |
| 01:09.35 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:10.00 | ljp | just the tshirt with the illegal code |
| 01:10.28 | treke|ho1e | the groening dvds are actually reasonably priced. 30 bucks a season |
| 01:11.25 | kergoth | hm, bored, i think i'll go rent something |
| 01:11.36 | ljp | what are other dvd's priced at? |
| 01:12.25 | treke|ho1e | single movies? 20 bucks or so. tv shows? 60-70+ a season |
| 01:13.20 | djr | usenet? free |
| 01:14.18 | djr | you can |
| 01:14.23 | djr | hehe |
| 01:14.46 | djr | you just gotta have some hdd space and a dvd writer... and hopefully a decent amount of bandwidth, cause they aint small |
| 01:14.48 | treke|ho1e | I tried downloading physical objects before, never seemed to work well |
| 01:15.38 | treke|ho1e | tried it on pizza. Got it mostly downloaded, but couldnt get it out of the little cable |
| 01:15.54 | djr | hehe |
| 01:16.20 | djr | i can download about 1gb/hr... so it takes about 5 hours to download a dvd movie |
| 01:17.31 | djr | er, technically, i can download 32.4gb/day... so it takes less than 5 hours to download a dvd movie assuming the movie takes a full 4.7gb dvd |
| 01:17.35 | ljp | man, I cant wait to have dsl again |
| 01:18.12 | ljp | treke|ho1e: did you try tunneling the pizza though ssh? |
| 01:18.13 | djr | hehe |
| 01:18.15 | djr | dsl is expensive |
| 01:18.45 | djr | in my area... dsl is $80/mo for 768kbit/128kbit... for $40/mo you can get cable thats 1.5mb/256kbit... twice the speed for half the price... |
| 01:18.50 | treke|ho1e | it takes me 30 minutes to drive to the video store and back :) |
| 01:19.02 | djr | i pay $80/mo for cable to get 3mbit/384kbit |
| 01:19.23 | djr | treke|ho1e: it also costs you a dollar in gas and money for the rental |
| 01:19.24 | djr | hehe |
| 01:19.43 | djr | 87 octane finally hit sub $2 this week |
| 01:19.57 | djr | it was $2.29 for 87 |
| 01:19.57 | ljp | where's that? |
| 01:20.11 | djr | $2.49 for 89, and $2.69 for 91 |
| 01:20.15 | djr | ljp: southern california |
| 01:20.31 | ljp | wow. thats frickin expensive |
| 01:20.32 | djr | inland in southern california... highest gas prices in california |
| 01:20.41 | djr | i can drive to the coast and get 87 for $1.69 |
| 01:20.45 | ljp | its 1.47 here, colorado |
| 01:20.49 | djr | but in my area, its really expensive |
| 01:20.59 | treke|ho1e | hehe :) |
| 01:21.03 | djr | unfortunately, i have to use 91 because i dont feel comfortable putting 87 or 89 in a corvette =/ |
| 01:21.13 | treke|ho1e | 87 hit $2 bucks here on the coast a few weeks ago |
| 01:21.29 | ljp | you own a vette and are complaining about gas prices? |
| 01:21.38 | djr | the gas prices change so drastically daily |
| 01:21.39 | ljp | ~lart djr |
| 01:21.46 | djr | they raise or lower $0.10/day |
| 01:21.51 | treke|ho1e | yup |
| 01:21.56 | djr | ljp: it was used for $11k, its a '92 |
| 01:21.56 | djr | hehe |
| 01:21.57 | treke|ho1e | only industry I can think of that does that |
| 01:22.19 | ljp | oh, well. thats nearly an antique! |
| 01:22.20 | djr | http://inexistent.com/junk/Corvette/ |
| 01:22.21 | djr | its like new |
| 01:22.40 | djr | it runs like new... the paint is original and its like new... the interior is perfect |
| 01:22.44 | djr | the engine is clean and perfect |
| 01:22.46 | djr | well kept |
| 01:23.03 | _Psycho | hmmm building libsdl-qte, ccl: unrecognized option ` -fno-rtti` |
| 01:23.07 | _Psycho | i just remove it ? |
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| 01:27.29 | ljp | dunno |
| 01:27.34 | absentiaZ | hi |
| 01:28.04 | absentiaZ | zirc needs to be able to handle multiple servers |
| 01:29.27 | ljp | does it? |
| 01:29.35 | absentiaZ | no |
| 01:30.22 | absentiaZ | you also cant resize the nick window |
| 01:30.40 | ljp | is that a problem? |
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| 01:30.45 | absentiaZ | is there an aim for sharp rom? |
| 01:31.26 | ljp | there a jabber client |
| 01:33.08 | tech2k | if you run pocket workstation you can run gaim ;) |
| 01:33.37 | tech2k | http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 01:34.18 | absentiaZ | will that work on c700? |
| 01:34.26 | tech2k | yep |
| 01:34.33 | tech2k | if you have an sd card |
| 01:36.10 | absentiaZ | cool |
| 01:36.16 | absentiaZ | 512 mb |
| 01:36.25 | tech2k | i am starting some notes on my homepage here http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-tech2k and will really build up the debian on zaurus section over the next few weeks |
| 01:36.47 | tech2k | i am running it on a 256meg sd card with pleanty of apps and have 50% free |
| 01:36.49 | absentiaZ | ok |
| 01:36.59 | absentiaZ | why not OZ? |
| 01:37.26 | tech2k | the entire debian tree is ported to the arm processor (almost) |
| 01:38.28 | absentia2 | ok |
| 01:38.31 | absentia2 | a real computer here |
| 01:38.38 | tech2k | i ran oz a few days till i found this...not its set up like my home workstation |
| 01:38.48 | absentia2 | well, I an install debs from the debian feed to both sharp and oz |
| 01:39.00 | tech2k | its just to neat to have icewm in your pocket |
| 01:39.03 | absentia2 | let me check out those urls |
| 01:39.05 | absentia2 | I wanted full debian |
| 01:39.10 | absentia2 | yes |
| 01:39.34 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 01:39.39 | absentia2 | what is your zaurus set up? |
| 01:39.39 | tech2k | pocket workstation is the way to go for full debian...to me anyway....easy and all the apps are there |
| 01:39.44 | cyn_ | you want full debian with some mods to not write constantly |
| 01:39.59 | absentia2 | I've seen that page. |
| 01:40.10 | absentia2 | lotsa warnings and little things you ahd to do to get it to work. |
| 01:40.11 | tech2k | i have a lot to olearn about it...i got my zaurus about a week ago |
| 01:40.27 | absentia2 | cyn: some mods to not write constantly? |
| 01:40.28 | absentia2 | what do you mean ? |
| 01:40.29 | _Psycho | I wonder what the -fno-rtti was for, but it compile without i guess |
| 01:40.36 | absentia2 | tech: what model ? |
| 01:40.43 | tech2k | sl-5500 |
| 01:40.50 | absentia2 | ah |
| 01:41.31 | absentia2 | I wonder if that will work for the c700 |
| 01:41.43 | tech2k | yes..the homeppage says yes |
| 01:41.48 | _Psycho | damn libsdl really buggy with gcc3 |
| 01:42.01 | cyn_ | absentia: yeah like not running syslog to the flash media inside the zaurus :P |
| 01:42.13 | tech2k | they mention bugs but the info is writted for like version 0.11 and they have 0.15 for download |
| 01:42.32 | tech2k | you can dual boot the flash rom and the sd card |
| 01:43.05 | absentia2 | cyn: oz does that |
| 01:43.10 | absentia2 | get a microdrive |
| 01:43.11 | absentia2 | etc |
| 01:43.18 | absentia2 | I guess I could get a microdrive and chroot debian into that |
| 01:43.39 | tech2k | cool...and you guys are running arm debs in oz? |
| 01:44.42 | tech2k | i live haveing dpkg and apt..this stuff rox...my boss and another co worker just got the dell pdas...i am glad i went with linux |
| 01:45.35 | absentia2 | yes |
| 01:45.38 | tech2k | i like* |
| 01:45.38 | absentia2 | I installed full perl |
| 01:45.43 | tech2k | sweet |
| 01:46.14 | absentia2 | but I wiped it and went back to sharp |
| 01:46.16 | absentia2 | because of netfront |
| 01:55.02 | absentia2 | re |
| 01:55.07 | absentia2 | I'm updating my page now |
| 01:58.44 | _Psycho | kergoth |
| 01:59.30 | absentia2 | hi |
| 02:00.38 | _Psycho | well going to take a beer ;) |
| 02:00.40 | _Psycho | or 3 |
| 02:03.44 | icefox | How hard would it be to build oz with multithread? |
| 02:04.09 | kergoth`bbl | s/oz/qte/? |
| 02:04.11 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 02:04.12 | icefox | yah |
| 02:04.15 | icefox | all of it :) |
| 02:04.17 | chouimat | icefox: threaded qte |
| 02:04.49 | icefox | yup |
| 02:04.51 | absentia2 | just did a /last http |
| 02:04.58 | chouimat | the question is does opie or qtopia support it? |
| 02:04.58 | icefox | nothing more then a compile change right? |
| 02:04.59 | absentia2 | listening to the peace protestor |
| 02:05.03 | absentia2 | protester.. ? |
| 02:05.08 | absentia2 | I just can't understand those people. |
| 02:05.09 | absentia2 | at all. |
| 02:05.33 | kergoth`bbl | icefox: yep. just a matter of building libqte-mt and linking opie against it. |
| 02:05.55 | icefox | ok |
| 02:08.38 | kergoth`bbl | icefox: the only real question is how to manage packaging. do we keep the apps linked against libqte-mt in a seperate feed, or change the package naming so both can reside in the same feed? |
| 02:08.43 | kergoth`bbl | and thats minor |
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| 02:14.06 | absentia2 | http://www.baard.com/ |
| 02:28.25 | greearb | kergoth`zzz: you there? |
| 02:28.31 | Marsupilami23 | ok, I'm having such a hard time creating a cross compiling system... anyone out there with one that knows to do this? |
| 02:29.10 | greearb | Marsupilami23: You can download the cross-compile toolchain and just un-tar it? |
| 02:44.37 | absentia2 | I have a default debian install |
| 02:44.41 | absentia2 | looking to get the cross compiler myself. |
| 02:46.18 | icefox | http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0596004591.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg |
| 02:46.21 | icefox | hehe how cute |
| 02:46.45 | absentia2 | :-/ |
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| 03:21.30 | Marsupilami23 | greearb: I've tried that, messed my system up |
| 04:13.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:13.33 | greearb | Marsupilami23: how can it mess up your system? |
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| 05:12.21 | Marsupilami23 | greearb: I forgot, I just re-installed. |
| 05:12.28 | Marsupilami23 | Oh well, going to sleep now. |
| 05:13.42 | absentiaZ | night |
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| 05:26.45 | absentiaZ | hi |
| 05:27.07 | Speedy2 | Hi |
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| 06:48.19 | HeatxSink | can anyone help me |
| 06:48.30 | HeatxSink | I'm trying to get a cross complier going |
| 06:48.43 | HeatxSink | so I can complie dump_cis for a Arm |
| 06:49.37 | mithro | anyone here know much about the gcc 3 vs gcc 2.95 abi diffrences? |
| 06:50.11 | HeatxSink | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.43 | HeatxSink | please anyone? |
| 06:54.02 | treke|ho1e | ibot crosscompiler? |
| 06:54.09 | treke|ho1e | ibot toolchain? |
| 06:54.09 | | hmm... toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains, or http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or at http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ppc/ which can be modified to work with Zaurus cross development, or can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/~joshua/, or http://www.handhelds.org/pub/arm/toolchain |
| 06:54.20 | treke|ho1e | HeatxSink: take your pick |
| 06:54.34 | treke|ho1e | mithro: the C++ abi's in 3 and 2.95 are completly incompatible |
| 06:54.41 | treke|ho1e | mithro: the C abi is compatible |
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| 06:56.35 | HeatxSink | treke: |
| 06:56.42 | mithro | treke|ho1e: so any C++ libs need a 2.95 and a 3 version to run apps from both versions? |
| 06:56.52 | HeatxSink | treke: do you know where i could find a version of dump_cis for an arm? |
| 06:56.56 | treke|ho1e | HeatxSink: no |
| 06:57.01 | HeatxSink | that's already complied? |
| 06:57.01 | HeatxSink | dman.. |
| 06:57.01 | HeatxSink | cool tahnks |
| 06:57.05 | treke|ho1e | I dont even know what dump_cis does |
| 06:57.55 | mithro | treke|ho1e: which i don't think makes much diffrence on a desktop but kinda sucks on a space limited device :( |
| 06:57.58 | treke|ho1e | mithro: doesnt work to well since there is no easy way to tell the two libs apart without renaming them |
| 06:58.57 | mithro | treke|ho1e: well if they are totaly incompatible can't you just look for the diffrent structures? |
| 07:00.10 | treke|ho1e | well not quite totally incompatible. they still use the same linker. They just cant speak to each other |
| 07:00.55 | treke|ho1e | so app foo(2.95) asks for libbar(3.2) and it gets it, but it cant make heads or tails of what to do with it |
| 07:01.27 | mithro | so you need a smarter linker which can tell them apart? (which i'm guessing is harder then it sounds...) |
| 07:02.09 | treke|ho1e | something like that. most distros get around it by just using the same compiler for everything :) |
| 07:02.16 | greearb | I see some more bk changes went in regarding opie, but it still won't build for me...anyone else having any luck? |
| 07:02.54 | treke|ho1e | greearb: dunno. compiles fine here :) |
| 07:03.05 | greearb | bleh...you've pulled recently? :) |
| 07:03.27 | treke|ho1e | none of those patches would be related to opie building |
| 07:03.53 | mithro | hrm... so what percentage of OZ is C++, i'm thinking like > 70% as it's all Qt? |
| 07:04.01 | greearb | NOTE: import patch '/home/greear/bk/br3/buildroot/packages/opie/opie-sudo.patch' as 'opie-sudo' |
| 07:04.02 | greearb | ERROR: no '/home/greear/bk/br3/buildroot/build/opie/.patches/opie-sudo.files', can not refresh |
| 07:04.02 | greearb | Patch had errors |
| 07:04.12 | treke|ho1e | fun |
| 07:04.19 | greearb | maybe need to bk co again.. |
| 07:04.29 | treke|ho1e | no. the patch is out of date |
| 07:05.40 | mithro | treke|ho1e: only 30%? isn't all of opie/apps/etc C++ while only the "base" ie busybox/kernel/etc are raw C? |
| 07:05.52 | mithro | or am i totally wrong here? |
| 07:06.01 | treke|ho1e | you are totally wrong here :) |
| 07:06.09 | greearb | most apps are c, at least all the venerable ones :) |
| 07:06.44 | treke|ho1e | opie and qt are probably the only apps writen in c++ in oz :) |
| 07:07.05 | mithro | you can access the Qt/Opie from C apps? |
| 07:07.22 | mithro | btw is Opie a library or an Application Suite? |
| 07:07.28 | treke|ho1e | both |
| 07:07.52 | treke|ho1e | opie is libqpe + libopie + a bunch of apps |
| 07:09.58 | treke|ho1e | greearb: looks like your buildroot is out of date. |
| 07:10.34 | greearb | yeah....just mrpropered the thing...why doesn't the make file do a cvs update after a make clean ? |
| 07:10.51 | treke|ho1e | clean just cleans the source tree. |
| 07:11.02 | treke|ho1e | clean-sources cleans the downloaded source code |
| 07:11.34 | greearb | right...but to clean everything, takes forever...and unless you are in the 'know', how do you know what you have to purge or not? |
| 07:11.51 | mithro | treke|ho1e: isn't the Qt/Opie like a major part of OZ? |
| 07:12.03 | treke|ho1e | look at what was modified by your pull |
| 07:12.24 | treke|ho1e | usage wise? yes. In terms of code in OZ? probably not |
| 07:12.29 | greearb | why can't the make-file do a cvs update? Wouldn't that be so much easier? |
| 07:12.42 | HeatxSink | does anyone know off hand which package dump_cis is apart of? |
| 07:13.28 | treke|ho1e | greearb: We dont always want to be updating the source |
| 07:14.16 | greearb | in that case, even if I see changes to the package, I don't know if I should mrproper or not??? |
| 07:14.32 | greearb | you could check out against a label in that case |
| 07:14.39 | treke|ho1e | greearb: We do |
| 07:14.58 | greearb | but you change labels from time to time? |
| 07:15.04 | treke|ho1e | usually |
| 07:15.12 | treke|ho1e | in the case of opie, it's using head |
| 07:15.25 | treke|ho1e | when it gets close to release time that changes |
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| 07:16.28 | greearb | so, can't we set the makefile to check for the right version, and fix it if it's not right..or at least abort with an error message? |
| 07:16.36 | treke|ho1e | ? |
| 07:16.50 | mithro | so how do you tell a C++ library from a C library? (ie in from a binary level) |
| 07:17.03 | greearb | the make file checks out the code if it's not there...it can't be much harder to determine if it's there and crufty or not |
| 07:18.20 | treke|ho1e | 1) the buildsystem doesnt keep track of what version's it has downloaded, so it doesnt know if something is out of date |
| 07:18.41 | greearb | it can inspect, via cvs or what-not |
| 07:18.42 | treke|ho1e | 2) It should be changing the source version being used by developers while they are working on something |
| 07:18.50 | treke|ho1e | greearb: only if cvs is being used |
| 07:19.18 | greearb | of course...I'm talking about opie..other things are more straight-forward because they are a defined target (foo.1.2.3.4b.tar.gz) |
| 07:19.32 | greearb | the make file can easily deal with defined targets |
| 07:20.55 | treke|ho1e | the big issue I see is that packages shouldnt be updated unless the developer requests them to be. |
| 07:21.22 | greearb | what about folks like me who just want the thing to build after a bk pull ? |
| 07:21.48 | treke|ho1e | then run mrproper on anything that was updated if you want it updated |
| 07:22.38 | treke|ho1e | maybe someone can add a make update into the system eventually |
| 07:23.07 | mithro | treke|ho1e: C libraries are compatible though? |
| 07:23.12 | greearb | it couldn't hurt...the current system is painful as hell |
| 07:23.18 | treke|ho1e | mithro: yes |
| 07:27.22 | mithro | QString is defined in which lib qpe or qte? |
| 07:27.29 | treke|ho1e | libqte |
| 07:27.33 | mithro | thanks |
| 07:29.13 | mithro | whats "Protocol error - got 72006100" mean? |
| 07:29.23 | treke|ho1e | no clue |
| 07:31.08 | mithro | well all you need to do to get a Zaurus program to run is use a compatible version of qte and qpe... |
| 07:32.00 | mithro | my buildroot is 3 Gig |
| 07:32.36 | treke|ho1e | sounds right |
| 07:33.23 | mithro | which part :) |
| 07:33.48 | treke|ho1e | a 3 gig buildroot |
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| 07:34.35 | greearb | well..rebuilding my entire thing from scrach...hopefully it will work better now! |
| 07:34.52 | greearb | (or tomorrow...when it finishes!) |
| 07:35.20 | mithro | greearb: everyone has arguments with buildroot first time around :) |
| 07:36.10 | greearb | problem is...I can't see starting to like it later, either....but maybe sleep and a clean build will change my perspective |
| 07:36.10 | treke|ho1e | and the second |
| 07:36.12 | treke|ho1e | and the third |
| 07:36.22 | treke|ho1e | you dont have to like it, just use it :) |
| 07:36.59 | greearb | I keep trying...I got it to build a month ago..then pulled recently, and haven't had any luck since... |
| 07:37.19 | treke|ho1e | usually something wont build |
| 07:37.21 | greearb | but, now that I realize how lame the package download logic is, I will be more careful with things |
| 07:38.18 | greearb | unless someone fixed affix, it won't build..they changed the path to it's download... |
| 07:38.29 | greearb | -Sources = http://affix.sourceforge.net/affix-$(Version)-1.tar.gz; |
| 07:38.29 | greearb | +Sources = http://affix.sourceforge.net/archive/affix-$(Version)-1.tar.gz; |
| 07:38.47 | greearb | feel free to push that fix if you want |
| 07:39.01 | mithro | greearb: don't cancel a download half way through either :) |
| 07:39.22 | mithro | took me 3 tries to get a buildroot to sucessfully compile |
| 07:39.33 | mithro | and about another 3 before i got what i wanted... |
| 07:40.08 | greearb | heh...I think this has to be fixed..there are too many dependencies on external paths...and it seems no one is running any regression tests |
| 07:40.33 | greearb | the cvs update v/s make mrproper stuff could be dealt with on a package-by-package basis |
| 07:40.52 | greearb | a little work on the make files would save folks a lot of time in the long-run |
| 07:41.10 | treke|ho1e | greearb: You willing to run a source mirror for us ? :) |
| 07:41.21 | greearb | actually, maybe so. |
| 07:41.41 | greearb | I have a friend with a colo server... |
| 07:42.03 | greearb | if you are serious...plz let me know how much space you want, and traffic estimates if you have them... |
| 07:42.17 | treke|ho1e | talk to kergoth |
| 07:42.23 | greearb | will do |
| 07:42.45 | greearb | but if I help you get this set up, and my build still breaks, I'm gonna be pissed :) |
| 07:42.59 | treke|ho1e | builds will continue to break. |
| 07:43.15 | mithro | it's a fact of life that builds will break :) |
| 07:43.17 | greearb | as long as it's for interesting things, that is fine |
| 07:43.24 | mithro | it's a development system :) |
| 07:43.51 | treke|ho1e | it happens. kergoth will break things for my builds that work on his. I'll break things that work on mine but not his |
| 07:43.56 | treke|ho1e | it's the nature of the beast :) |
| 07:43.57 | greearb | right...but just making sure something compiles is a pretty low bar..we should be able to make it at least usually work |
| 07:44.23 | greearb | if you could bk pull; make in a reasonable manner, you could test before you push. |
| 07:44.33 | treke|ho1e | we already do |
| 07:44.47 | greearb | so, how can it ever break? :) |
| 07:45.03 | treke|ho1e | changes in upstream |
| 07:45.04 | greearb | ie, how can the tree I have access to ever break |
| 07:45.24 | treke|ho1e | patches that work properly on one platform may not work on another |
| 07:45.24 | greearb | ok, so if we cache all sources on a server we control...then ??? |
| 07:46.21 | treke|ho1e | applications that arent up to date with how the buildsystem works |
| 07:46.23 | greearb | we could aim for compile-on-linux, run-on-zaurus works though |
| 07:46.46 | mithro | greearb: why should you favour zaurus over other platforms? |
| 07:46.55 | mithro | treke|ho1e: doesn't have a zaurus :) |
| 07:47.03 | greearb | then pick a platform..I don't care which...but it should work on *something* |
| 07:47.10 | mithro | sure he'll take donations specially c700's ;) |
| 07:47.31 | treke|ho1e | it usually works on whatever platform the developer developed the patch on |
| 07:48.28 | mithro | hrm my konsole is reporting "sh getcwd(): No such file or directory" |
| 07:48.32 | greearb | well, a repository of sources would fix at least some of the problems we cannot even control at the moment... |
| 07:50.59 | mithro | hrm "Loading of image 'MaximizeButton' is not ideal (either it doesn't exist or an extension was specified)" |
| 07:51.08 | treke|ho1e | ignore that warning |
| 07:51.12 | mithro | jeod doesn't like opie themes? |
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| 07:51.44 | mithro | well i've almost got a "compat" ipkg for the c700 |
| 07:51.50 | treke|ho1e | cool |
| 07:52.06 | mithro | run old programs you do "runcompat <program>" |
| 07:52.56 | mithro | if i didn't have like 100 things due this week i would try for some type of lanucher intergration... |
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| 08:00.27 | treke|ho1e | what buildroot needs is the ability to keep on building after a failed build |
| 08:00.38 | treke|ho1e | so i dont wake up in the morning having only built one app |
| 08:02.58 | mithro | treke|ho1e: then you run into the dependance problems :( |
| 08:03.25 | treke|ho1e | yeah. it would be probably be ugly ugly code |
| 08:03.37 | treke|ho1e | if even reasonably doable |
| 08:04.03 | treke|ho1e | but you'd need to skip over anything with dependencies that failed to build |
| 08:04.20 | treke|ho1e | which woud probably be very ugly to do in Make |
| 08:04.39 | treke|ho1e | gnu make is such an ugly language :) |
| 08:07.48 | mithro | need something like the debian build system? |
| 08:08.22 | mithro | there is no way to get jeod to use the normal theme? |
| 08:09.09 | mithro | i like the flat theme... |
| 08:09.28 | mithro | i suppose i could replace the files for the other theme? |
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| 08:42.29 | Transputer2001 | ping treke|ho1e |
| 08:44.11 | Transputer2001 | ibot: openipaq |
| 08:44.11 | | Transputer2001: no idea |
| 08:44.35 | Transputer2001 | hi, where can i download openipaq |
| 08:46.04 | mickeyl | ibot: openipaq |
| 08:46.05 | | i heard openipaq is openembedded for ipaq and http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 08:46.19 | mickeyl | thanx ibot |
| 08:46.35 | Transputer2001 | thanks mickeyl |
| 08:58.22 | mithro | treke|ho1e: you still here? |
| 09:04.52 | mithro | guess not |
| 09:05.22 | mithro | anyone here got time to look at an ipkg for me? |
| 09:08.33 | troffasky | what is it |
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| 09:16.59 | mithro | it's a ipkg which allows 2.95 compiled programs to run on a 3.0 compile system |
| 09:17.10 | mithro | but i can't seem to get ipkg to like it |
| 09:17.18 | mithro | so i've screwed up the format somehow... |
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| 10:41.33 | Transputer2001 | hi i have problems to use usb network |
| 10:41.54 | Transputer2001 | i cannot connect to the ipaq |
| 10:46.16 | mithro | woot java compiling on the oz :) |
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| 11:51.08 | Transputer2001 | i have a big problem with the usb network |
| 11:51.26 | Transputer2001 | on the previous familiar installation it was working |
| 11:51.55 | Transputer2001 | now i tried the latest image of openipaq and it does not work |
| 11:55.44 | mithro | Transputer2001: don't think anyone is alive atm... |
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| 11:58.30 | Twiun | mithro: I'm happy that you got java compiling on oz... so, what compiler did you use? |
| 12:01.23 | mithro | Kopi |
| 12:01.29 | mithro | it works quite well |
| 12:03.39 | mithro | i'm going to create an IPK when i get around to it... |
| 12:03.55 | Twiun | sounds good |
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| 12:04.17 | Twiun | hey ljp |
| 12:05.52 | ljp | hi twiun |
| 12:05.54 | Twiun | mithro: fancy being Kopi's maintainer? |
| 12:06.21 | Twiun | well, ipk maintainer anyway |
| 12:06.44 | mithro | yeah i could do that... |
| 12:07.06 | Twiun | tried jikes? |
| 12:07.57 | mithro | nope not yet |
| 12:08.42 | Twiun | we could bundle guavac's class libraries with jikes (or make them into another ipk) |
| 12:09.58 | mithro | i'll get around to jikes eventually... |
| 12:10.40 | Twiun | I'm in the process of writing a java support app for oz |
| 12:10.53 | Twiun | something to allow several JVMs to coexist |
| 12:13.17 | ljp | thats inconceivable! |
| 12:14.22 | Twiun | lol, I might have to write some extensions into update-alternatives :) |
| 12:14.28 | Twiun | as we can't use the debian one |
| 12:15.33 | Twiun | hmmm... I should get a todo onto a wiki somewhere |
| 12:18.34 | zecke | hi ljp |
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| 12:20.57 | ljp | hi zecke |
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| 12:40.16 | vandal | . |
| 12:40.51 | Twiun | ... --- ... |
| 12:42.30 | absentia | re |
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| 13:59.34 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:00.09 | mallum | hey chouimat |
| 14:00.40 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030505&mode=classic |
| 14:01.08 | chouimat | for kergoth ^-----------------^ |
| 14:01.54 | ljp | heheheh, "my web broke" |
| 14:02.58 | ljp | my mother used to say, "your internet" |
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| 14:06.32 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
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| 14:28.54 | Transputer2001 | do some use konqueror with ssl |
| 14:29.16 | Daagaak | you mean do people use it or need it? |
| 14:29.40 | Transputer2001 | yes sorry |
| 14:29.48 | icefox | what is the name of the 5600 fs from the rom (i.e. what do I name the file when I put in on the cf card to flash) |
| 14:30.20 | Daagaak | Transputer2001: ive used it b4 i think |
| 14:31.06 | Transputer2001 | Daagaak: do this work on familiar, too? |
| 14:31.20 | Daagaak | Transputer2001: no idea, ive only got an SL-550 |
| 14:31.21 | Daagaak | 0 |
| 14:31.26 | Transputer2001 | oh isee |
| 14:33.18 | icefox | does oe work on the 5600 yet? |
| 14:33.33 | Daagaak | icefox: there arn't any images for it yet i dont think |
| 14:33.46 | icefox | ok |
| 14:40.50 | chouimat | http://homepage.mac.com/azc/iConquer/ |
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| 15:22.09 | AndyQ | 'lo |
| 15:22.15 | tronical | re |
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| 15:53.36 | bipolar | hello all |
| 15:53.40 | AndyQ | hi |
| 15:54.44 | bipolar | CAn |
| 15:54.48 | bipolar | grrr.,,, |
| 15:54.51 | bipolar | fat fingers |
| 15:55.02 | AndyQ | heh |
| 15:55.37 | bipolar | I'm having a hell of a time getting iqnotes into buildroot |
| 15:56.01 | bipolar | iqnotes makefile has all the qte include paths hardcoded. |
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| 16:09.38 | chouimat | wow! the cad is at 0.707964usd now |
| 16:10.01 | icefox | is jfs2 in 2.4? |
| 16:13.11 | icefox | hmmm |
| 16:13.21 | treke|home | 2ugh. sloooooow |
| 16:14.16 | yeiazel | chouimat: that means ? |
| 16:14.38 | kergoth`zzz | drank too damn much last night. heh. |
| 16:14.43 | kergoth`zzz | bleh. |
| 16:14.47 | kergoth`zzz | ibot: monday |
| 16:14.47 | | [monday] when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 16:14.51 | chouimat | yeiazel: that my worthless canadian money is get more value or the us dollar is falling |
| 16:14.58 | icefox | I could have sworn that it was in 2.4.20, but I can't find it |
| 16:15.06 | kergoth`zzz | icefox: yes, it is. |
| 16:15.12 | yeiazel | chouimat: ok |
| 16:15.13 | chouimat | kergoth`zzz: still drunk? |
| 16:15.15 | mallum | kergoth`zzz: hey |
| 16:15.17 | icefox | in File Systems? |
| 16:15.25 | yeiazel | 1 EUR is at 1.1272 USD :) |
| 16:15.27 | kergoth`zzz | icefox: yes. journaling flash filesystem v2 |
| 16:15.27 | icefox | Do I have to turn somethign else on to make it showup? |
| 16:15.31 | AndyQ | hey kergoth |
| 16:15.34 | kergoth`zzz | dunno offhand |
| 16:16.20 | chouimat | yeiazel: 1 euro is 1.59189 cad |
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| 16:17.13 | chouimat | yeiazel: c'est mieux qu'en decembre dernier, lorsque j'eeatit en europe |
| 16:17.14 | Dessimat0r|IL-2 | lo all |
| 16:17.23 | AndyQ | hey Dessimat0r |
| 16:17.55 | kergoth`zzz | icefox: you probably need to enable MTD support, since jffs2 only works on mtd devices. |
| 16:17.55 | Dessimat0r | yo AndyQ |
| 16:17.57 | yeiazel | chouimat: euro is getting higher and higher :) |
| 16:18.13 | chouimat | yeiazel: maybe I should find a job in europe |
| 16:18.33 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 16:21.09 | icefox | kergoth`zzz: bingo, thanks |
| 16:21.55 | pb_ | hi kergoth |
| 16:24.11 | bipolar | what does it mean when make says "No rule to make target somthing.h needed by something.o"? I need to make sure i understand what the hell it's trying to do. |
| 16:24.31 | pb_ | It thinks that something.o depends on something.h, but something.h doesn't exist. |
| 16:24.43 | bipolar | pb_: ok. thats what I thought. |
| 16:24.55 | pb_ | That can happen if you have stale autodependency files lying around. |
| 16:25.09 | pb_ | Check for .d files, or a .deps directory, and blow any such objects away. |
| 16:25.59 | treke|home | bipolar: wouldnt happen to be trying to build 2.4.19 are you? |
| 16:26.19 | bipolar | treke|home: no. iqnotes. its a pita |
| 16:26.24 | treke|home | ah |
| 16:27.00 | bipolar | wouldn't make look in all specified include dir's for .h files? |
| 16:27.04 | kergoth | bipolar: let me guess, doesnt use auto* or qmake/tmake, but instead a single custom makefile? |
| 16:27.41 | bipolar | kergoth: shit. |
| 16:27.51 | bipolar | kergoth: it uses tmake. I'm just not running it. heh |
| 16:27.59 | treke|home | ~lart bipolar |
| 16:28.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:28.04 | treke|home | ~lart bipolar |
| 16:28.13 | chouimat | hmmm I didn't know there was a Rue de la Branlette in St-jean-port-joli .... branlette is french slang for masturbation |
| 16:28.14 | kergoth | dont use tmake, call qmake in your makefile on the .pro |
| 16:28.22 | kergoth | look at the other qtopia apps in buildroot as an example |
| 16:28.52 | kergoth | ibot: mondays |
| 16:28.52 | | Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays! |
| 16:29.05 | AndyQ | hehe - its a Bank Holiday here :) |
| 16:29.11 | treke|home | AndyQ: bastard |
| 16:29.17 | AndyQ | yup :) |
| 16:29.25 | chouimat | hey AndyQ |
| 16:29.29 | AndyQ | had a nice relaxing day down the pub |
| 16:29.36 | AndyQ | hey chouimat |
| 16:30.20 | chouimat | AndyQ: how can you relax in a pub ... with all those chicks around you .... wait you're in england ;) |
| 16:30.50 | AndyQ | chouimat: hehe - was with my wife (and about 20 other people) |
| 16:31.08 | AndyQ | chouimat: also we are a bit more relaxed around women (sophisticated us you know :) |
| 16:32.10 | chouimat | AndyQ: yup you can't go see one of them and say: you,me and some whipped cream :) |
| 16:32.57 | AndyQ | chouimat: nope - you go up the them and say Tickle your arse with a feather - If they look strangely at you you repeat - Particularly nasty weather |
| 16:33.10 | AndyQ | chouimat: however - every so often......... |
| 16:33.14 | chouimat | lol |
| 16:34.23 | Dessimat0r | Go up to a woman and whisper in her ear 'sexual intercourse' |
| 16:34.56 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: and that work? |
| 16:34.58 | bipolar | Error processing project file: /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/packages/iqnotes/iqnotes.pro |
| 16:35.00 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 16:35.04 | bipolar | real informitive |
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| 16:37.23 | Dessimat0r | just had some popcorn chicken from KFC |
| 16:37.24 | Dessimat0r | mm |
| 16:37.53 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: bastard - I'm doing Atkins diet at the moment so I can't have any of that nice stuff :( |
| 16:38.02 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: however - loads of steak !!! |
| 16:38.05 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 16:38.31 | Dessimat0r | Atkins eh? Bloody hell, you hear it all the time on that weight loss program on TV ;) |
| 16:38.31 | AndyQ | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 16:38.43 | chouimat | AndyQ: ? |
| 16:38.55 | AndyQ | yup - it works well! |
| 16:39.00 | Dessimat0r | 'Shes on the Atkins diet, and without any daily carbohydrate intake' etc |
| 16:39.02 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 16:39.09 | AndyQ | although I'm going about it from a reverse point of view |
| 16:39.21 | AndyQ | basically I'm happy with how I am now |
| 16:39.23 | AndyQ | BUT |
| 16:39.40 | AndyQ | when I go on holiday in 5 weeks I plan on eating and drinking til it comes out of my eyes |
| 16:39.45 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 16:39.51 | AndyQ | so I won't be then :) |
| 16:39.55 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 16:40.07 | AndyQ | so hopefully, if I lose a bit then I'll be back to where I am now :) |
| 16:40.11 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 16:40.19 | chouimat | AndyQ: I need to lose some weight becaise everything my brother came to see he ask about lil'Elvis ... |
| 16:40.29 | AndyQ | lol |
| 16:40.44 | AndyQ | chouimat: well, I can recommend Atkins |
| 16:41.07 | AndyQ | no pasta, bread, rice, chocolate, milk, or beer (thats VERY hard) |
| 16:41.13 | chouimat | took me 18months to lose about 45lbs , took 5 months to gain 50lbs :( |
| 16:41.18 | AndyQ | but all the meat/fish/etc you can eat |
| 16:41.36 | AndyQ | chouimat: that sucks ! |
| 16:42.00 | chouimat | AndyQ: how long? |
| 16:42.12 | AndyQ | chouimat: 2 weeks |
| 16:42.23 | AndyQ | and lost 8lbs |
| 16:42.43 | chouimat | AndyQ: good .... but I need the beers |
| 16:42.54 | AndyQ | hehe - beer is bad for you :) |
| 16:43.07 | AndyQ | I haven't had a beer in two weeks (it really sucks) |
| 16:43.22 | chouimat | AndyQ: I lost those 45lbs and I didn't stop drinking ... |
| 16:43.25 | DaJoker | mmm..beer.. |
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| 16:43.43 | AndyQ | chouimat: yeah - but I have 5 weeks - not 18 months |
| 16:43.44 | chouimat | AndyQ: and you will be on that diet for how long? |
| 16:44.46 | AndyQ | about another couple of weeks |
| 16:45.11 | AndyQ | but I can drink whiskey and wine |
| 16:45.25 | chouimat | AndyQ: ok so I can adapt it to my life style .... |
| 16:45.45 | AndyQ | actually, the thing I've missed the most is milk |
| 16:45.51 | chouimat | coffee? |
| 16:46.23 | AndyQ | yup - although you can have cream |
| 16:46.26 | chouimat | if no milk that mean no cheese too ... |
| 16:46.32 | AndyQ | but I'm not too fond of cream in coffee |
| 16:46.37 | AndyQ | chouimat: nope - loads of cheese |
| 16:47.18 | icefox | When I try to mount my 5600 init with "mount -o loop -t jffs2 initrd.bin /mnt/zaurus/" I get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 16:47.19 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.28 | icefox | What might it be? |
| 16:47.52 | chouimat | AndyQ: that sound good beside the beers part bah! I will just drink red wine ... but getting drunk on it ... |
| 16:47.58 | kergoth | you cant mount jffs2 w/ loop. |
| 16:48.05 | kergoth | I already told you, it only runs on mtd devices |
| 16:48.12 | bipolar | kergoth: qmake says it can't process the file, but there are no errors I can see even with the -d and -Wall options. |
| 16:48.17 | kergoth | read the mailing list archives. either openzaurus-users, or the linux mtd mailing list archives |
| 16:48.20 | AndyQ | chouimat: yeah - but wine in moderation |
| 16:48.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:48.35 | icefox | hmmm that I will |
| 16:48.43 | chouimat | kergoth: what? |
| 16:49.12 | kergoth | chouimat: talking to ben |
| 16:49.19 | kergoth | bipolar: odd. |
| 16:49.21 | chouimat | kergoth: ok ... |
| 16:49.50 | icefox | hmmm guess I could just remount my 5600 wr and fix it and then rip it |
| 16:58.41 | absentia | ok |
| 16:58.44 | absentia | trying to get this citrix going |
| 16:58.50 | absentia | where could I find awk for the sharp rom ? |
| 16:59.06 | absentia | good news is that the c700 came in to the citrix farm, have the arm client for it, etc. |
| 16:59.09 | absentia | looking pretty damn good. |
| 17:00.58 | bipolar | kergoth: how would I use tmake? I'm thinking that the .pro file needs it. what .conf file would I use? |
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| 17:02.21 | absentia | anyone ? |
| 17:02.40 | Com[Plex] | yeah, iirc |
| 17:03.11 | Com[Plex] | what was the question again? |
| 17:03.30 | absentia | I have access at work only for a shoprt time on wireless |
| 17:03.34 | absentia | I'm trying to install citrix |
| 17:03.37 | absentia | buit the install needs awk |
| 17:03.42 | absentia | and the sharp rom doesn't have awk |
| 17:03.46 | absentia | i'm tryign to tinf just that program |
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| 17:04.05 | absentia | I could wget it... if anyone could just put up an arm awk, or knows a link, etc. |
| 17:04.12 | pb_ | debian? |
| 17:04.19 | absentia | searching on debian's site doesn't seem to indicate that it's available directly. |
| 17:04.21 | absentia | ya |
| 17:04.48 | absentia | gonna try killefiz |
| 17:04.50 | pb_ | ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gawk/ |
| 17:05.02 | Com[Plex] | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=awk+ |
| 17:05.08 | absentia | yup |
| 17:05.09 | absentia | thx! |
| 17:05.17 | absentia | pool/main |
| 17:05.18 | absentia | :-) |
| 17:05.18 | pb_ | or ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mawk/ |
| 17:05.27 | pb_ | or the openzaurus build of busybox also includes awk. |
| 17:05.38 | Com[Plex] | http://www.claystuckey.com/chad/awk_0.0.1_arm.ipk |
| 17:05.51 | absentia | damn |
| 17:05.53 | absentia | I suck at searches! |
| 17:06.27 | absentia | ah, ok, that's the link from killefiz |
| 17:07.34 | absentia | hmmm |
| 17:07.37 | absentia | mawk was alreaedy there |
| 17:07.41 | absentia | I could just symlink |
| 17:08.30 | bipolar | kergoth: NM. tmake gives the same useless error. |
| 17:10.39 | Twiun | hey * |
| 17:10.50 | absentia | hmmm |
| 17:10.52 | bipolar | kergoth: I was able to get it to work by cd'ing into the dir and running qmake by hand. So it must be some weird project makefile thing. |
| 17:10.54 | absentia | wants cpio too |
| 17:10.55 | absentia | :-) |
| 17:10.56 | bipolar | Twiun: yo |
| 17:11.12 | absentia | I think running full dedebian on a microdrive will be the eventual destination. |
| 17:11.42 | absentia | hmmm. n cpio at killefiz |
| 17:12.29 | Twiun | bipolar: how goes it? |
| 17:14.27 | Twiun | I don't suppose it's possible to do anything if login can't find a shell, right? |
| 17:14.44 | bipolar | shit. I think I got it. :) |
| 17:15.15 | bipolar | if this works, I |
| 17:15.30 | bipolar | will be amazed |
| 17:15.48 | bipolar | ~lart bipolars fat fingers |
| 17:15.56 | bipolar | ouch |
| 17:16.16 | kergoth | bipolar: irssi didnt make it into unstable when yo updated. |
| 17:16.25 | bipolar | hmm |
| 17:16.45 | kergoth | did it not build, or ..? |
| 17:19.39 | bipolar | let me check |
| 17:20.57 | bipolar | kergoth: I did not build it. |
| 17:21.01 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm building now |
| 17:21.32 | bipolar | I've never seen a binary that went from 8.1MB to 758KB when stripped. |
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| 17:22.09 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: what game are you going to make next? I suggest Cosmic Causeway ;) |
| 17:22.43 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: hehe - I can't do any Z programming at the moment - until I get my Linux partition fixed/rebuilt |
| 17:23.18 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: and no idea when that will be at the moment as work is taking up waaay too much time :( |
| 17:23.27 | absentia | argh |
| 17:23.35 | absentia | says the cpio .deb has illegal chars.... |
| 17:24.01 | Dessimat0r | AndyQ: ah :/ |
| 17:24.37 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: I know |
| 17:24.47 | absentia | is there such a thing as an arm emulator? where we could drop in the roms or something or the zaurus and get up and running ? |
| 17:25.45 | mickeyl | absentia: no. just qvfb for developing qt/embedded apps on x86 |
| 17:25.46 | bipolar | kergoth: I added the ipks to the feed. They should work now. |
| 17:26.09 | absentia | ah |
| 17:26.18 | absentia | probably good enough... for most uses. |
| 17:26.26 | mickeyl | it is. |
| 17:27.23 | masticator | kergoth: you get your 56? |
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| 17:36.45 | absentia | anyone here boot OZ off SD or CF ? |
| 17:40.43 | chouimat|lunch | absentia: wee're waiting for you to write a new bootloader :) |
| 17:42.00 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:42.29 | chouimat|lunch | :-P |
| 17:42.35 | mickeyl | kergoth: did you have any time to work on 2.4.19 yet? |
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| 17:55.28 | absentia | whta does the 19 kernel give over, sa, 18 ? |
| 17:56.37 | chouimat|lunch | absentia: old bugs fixed and some new ones |
| 17:56.58 | absentia | I mnea, anything.. that's really gonna help pdas? |
| 17:58.07 | ljp | its like a guitar amp going to volume of 10, or going to volume of 11, one is louder. ;) |
| 17:58.20 | mickeyl | no idea but .18->.19, but actually we are with 2.4.6 and .19 is _MUCH_ better than 2.4.6... |
| 17:58.20 | chouimat | lol |
| 17:58.26 | mickeyl | bout even |
| 17:58.30 | absentia | I thought I had 18 ? |
| 17:58.33 | mickeyl | no. |
| 17:58.39 | absentia | how can I tell ? |
| 17:58.39 | mickeyl | SL-5500 has 2.4.6 |
| 17:58.43 | mickeyl | uname -a |
| 17:58.45 | absentia | ok |
| 17:59.20 | absentia | 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embeddix |
| 17:59.29 | mickeyl | absentia: that might not be a SL-5500. |
| 17:59.33 | absentia | right |
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| 17:59.34 | absentia | c700 |
| 17:59.39 | mickeyl | :-< |
| 18:00.06 | mickeyl | in short... we're getting better power management, better usb, better wavelan, better idle management, better jffs2, and a lot of minor things. |
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| 18:00.52 | Dessimat0r | If only the Zaurus had a proper USB controller, think of the possibilities |
| 18:01.02 | Dessimat0r | like just being able to plug a normal keyboard in |
| 18:01.08 | Dessimat0r | or mouse, and use it in Xfree ;) |
| 18:01.27 | absentia | doesn't oz make usb better? |
| 18:01.28 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: get a GP32 |
| 18:01.30 | mickeyl | yeah that would be spiffy but too bad. |
| 18:01.39 | absentia | mickey: ya, the idled is interesting. |
| 18:01.48 | absentia | I want to look into that microdrive stuff |
| 18:01.50 | ljp | bbl |
| 18:02.01 | absentia | and botting off internal for sharp, sd for oz and microdriver for full debian |
| 18:02.25 | mickeyl | yeah, a new bootload would be cool. but that's not going to happen anyway soon |
| 18:02.40 | absentia | I don't mind flashing now |
| 18:02.54 | absentia | I'll probably stop and settled with OZ... I would rather be at the front. |
| 18:03.13 | pb_ | mickeyl: someone should port the OHH bootldr to the Z. |
| 18:03.30 | treke | any volunteers? |
| 18:03.40 | treke | * #openembedded takes one step back |
| 18:03.41 | mickeyl | pb_: yeah... but who will that someone be? we don't have Compaq/HP in the background... |
| 18:03.45 | treke | look pb will do it :) |
| 18:04.00 | chouimat | OHH?????? |
| 18:04.18 | treke | Open Hand Held iirc |
| 18:04.29 | mickeyl | by the CRL |
| 18:04.32 | mickeyl | CRL???? |
| 18:04.35 | mickeyl | Compaq Research Lab |
| 18:04.36 | mickeyl | :-D |
| 18:04.39 | treke | good call |
| 18:04.47 | treke | isnt it Cambridge Research Lab? |
| 18:04.53 | pb_ | yep |
| 18:04.56 | mickeyl | hehe, yeah you're right |
| 18:05.24 | mickeyl | i thought Compaq owns Cambridge now? ;-) |
| 18:12.13 | treke | nah, they just bought the queen |
| 18:13.16 | bipolar | w00t! IQNotes is in my buildroot tree! |
| 18:13.24 | treke | cool |
| 18:14.35 | CuCullin | whats the latest oz build? |
| 18:14.45 | bipolar | CuCullin: the one in Unstable |
| 18:17.13 | CuCullin | let me be more specific, latest stable :) Is there anything after the 3/28 build? |
| 18:18.02 | CuCullin | ignore my question |
| 18:19.03 | treke | no. |
| 18:20.52 | absentia | I haven't checked the feed lately... |
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| 18:21.38 | absentia | ya, still the apr29 w/ missing systime and keyboad. |
| 18:21.49 | absentia | good thing is that the aqpkg works great (in that image) |
| 18:23.39 | CuCullin | oh, and in the calendar, will the place list for new appointments be customizable at some point? I'd like to add a few perm options... |
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| 18:29.00 | bipolar | great... cvs.sf.net is down |
| 18:33.05 | bipolar | ~lart sourceforge cvs |
| 18:33.20 | bipolar | damnit! I want to get car mileage working! |
| 18:34.24 | chouimat | http://www.thesaguaros.com/products/dbtoyfs/ |
| 18:35.11 | bipolar | does anyone have any apps they would like added to the buildroot? |
| 18:35.47 | chouimat | bipolar: a gaydar type app |
| 18:37.02 | bipolar | huh? |
| 18:37.14 | chouimat | bipolar: nevermind |
| 18:37.25 | bipolar | heh |
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| 18:38.10 | bipolar | how about QashMoney? http://home.attbi.com/~forsythe20/qashmoney/ |
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| 18:44.39 | absentia | bipolar the official buildroot ? |
| 18:44.43 | absentia | or just yours? |
| 18:44.56 | bipolar | absentia: it will be added to the offical buildroot, yes |
| 18:45.24 | absentia | I'd like gcc, perl, xmame/xmess, perltk (wish?) or some qt equiv? |
| 18:45.26 | absentia | ah |
| 18:45.29 | absentia | nevermind. |
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| 18:54.54 | bipolar | kergoth: ping |
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| 19:09.31 | kergoth | bipolar: I talked to allen forsythe about his finance app becoming part of opie |
| 19:09.39 | kergoth | bipolar: so there isnt much point in adding to buildroot :) |
| 19:10.59 | treke | looking to replace opie-checkbook? |
| 19:11.09 | djr | i kinda like opie-checkbook... |
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| 19:13.10 | treke | which one is his app? |
| 19:14.09 | treke | that looks nice |
| 19:16.18 | Neo|Work | damn I hat this |
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| 19:16.20 | Neo|Work | hate this even |
| 19:16.41 | Neo|Work | two desks in "l-shape", one of them is like 0.5 cm (or more) higher than the other one. :( |
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| 19:24.49 | bipolar | kergoth: can I send you the iqnotes config? |
| 19:24.59 | bipolar | ~lart sourceforge cvs |
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| 19:31.42 | bipolar | ~lart sourceforge's suck ass cvs server |
| 19:33.34 | treke | ~lart bipolar |
| 19:33.40 | treke | that will take your mind off your sorrow |
| 19:34.16 | gruemelmonster | ü |
| 19:34.23 | gruemelmonster | ups sorry |
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| 19:36.33 | mickeyl | treke: what's the state of usb for the ipaq? transputer2001 has flashed openipaq and it doesn't work |
| 19:37.00 | treke | hmmm. I'll check it tonight. it should be plug and play |
| 19:37.53 | bipolar | FSCK YOU SOURCEFORGE! |
| 19:39.57 | treke | mickeyl: on the desktop side, have him follow the instructions on docs.zaurus.com |
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| 19:43.22 | pb_ | bipolar: if sourceforge is that bad, maybe you should just stop using it. |
| 19:43.58 | mickeyl | treke: I'll invite him to come here and ask again |
| 19:44.52 | bipolar | pb_: I'm not. car mileage app is. |
| 19:45.01 | zecke|na1 | bipolar: ;) pb is right |
| 19:45.20 | bipolar | pb_: I want to get the mileage app into buildroot, but it's cvs is down. |
| 19:45.26 | bipolar | zecke|na1: hi! |
| 19:45.30 | bipolar | zecke|na1: how's it going? |
| 19:46.06 | zecke|na1 | bipolar: today I wrote my last written exam.. I'm tired but feeling well and will start coding later this week again ;) |
| 19:46.29 | zecke|na1 | bipolar: schocker: handhelds.org/~zecke/belly_left.jpg to get a picture.. |
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| 19:47.22 | bipolar | zecke|na1: you poor dude. |
| 19:48.28 | Daagaak | bipolar: i assuem you mean still trying to port? |
| 19:48.51 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:48.53 | bipolar | Daagaak: no, just that the last version was may 02 or something |
| 19:48.58 | Daagaak | ahh |
| 19:49.15 | Daagaak | kergoth: small query for you |
| 19:49.33 | bipolar | kergoth: iqnotes is done. should I just tar up and send you the packages/iqnotes dir? |
| 19:49.52 | kergoth | yeah go ahead. i'll push it tonight sometime most likely |
| 19:50.15 | Daagaak | kergoth: is there a maximum size to the initrd.bin? |
| 19:50.17 | kergoth | i've got like 5 days of pending email to go through, including the stuff you sent me last week for libsidtool |
| 19:50.32 | kergoth | Daagaak: the initrd.bin can only be as large as the flash partition of the device you're putting it on. |
| 19:50.39 | bipolar | kergoth: once I realized I fucked up with tmake, it was easy to get it going. |
| 19:50.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: have a minute? what's the OZ-roadmap for us in the next two months? and coincidantly did you get a chance to do some kernel work? and yet another question... when will you move to dallas? :-D |
| 19:50.58 | Daagaak | kergoth: sorry, i was too vague. SL-5500. i seem to have found a top limit of 1481135 |
| 19:51.05 | Daagaak | 14811135 even |
| 19:51.08 | kergoth | Daagaak: you're missing a few digits, but yes |
| 19:51.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:51.12 | kergoth | yeah, thats it |
| 19:51.19 | kergoth | 14811136 and you'll see the lights flashing :) |
| 19:51.32 | Daagaak | kergoth: so the make image doesn't sanity check that ?? :D |
| 19:51.49 | kergoth | Daagaak: buildroot supports a lot more devices than just the 5500. |
| 19:52.01 | kergoth | Daagaak: we'd need to store the flash partition sizes for every supported device |
| 19:52.09 | kergoth | but yeah, it doesnt check atm |
| 19:52.21 | Daagaak | kergoth: true, also are you interested in a cross compile of autofs i build a day or so back? |
| 19:52.51 | killefiz | anyone here with a 5500 and an ipaq? |
| 19:53.18 | bipolar | killefiz: My ipaq is at home |
| 19:53.28 | mickeyl | killefiz: depends on what you want me to do... pretty busy atm... but say anyway |
| 19:53.59 | killefiz | nothing really - i'm just thinking about buying an ipaq and selling my z and i wonder if that would be wise |
| 19:54.13 | bipolar | killefiz: um... nah |
| 19:54.16 | killefiz | (sharp has stopped selling z's here in germany) |
| 19:54.24 | killefiz | and i don't need the keyboard |
| 19:54.25 | bipolar | killefiz: do you have a 5500? |
| 19:54.29 | killefiz | bipolar: yes |
| 19:54.41 | zecke|na1 | killefiz: on CeBit they only had 60 in stock or so or even less |
| 19:54.44 | mickeyl | killefiz: well... i like my 5500's keyboard every time I must go to the shell on the ipaq |
| 19:54.45 | bipolar | killefiz: then there's not much benfit |
| 19:54.59 | mickeyl | killefiz: but the h5xxx is spiffy |
| 19:55.06 | kergoth | mickeyl: roadmap, I want to consolodate the corgi, poodle, collie, and a300 kernel trees.. i want a testing release with 2.4.19 w/ support for ipaq, c700, b500, 5600, a300, and collie |
| 19:55.22 | bipolar | killefiz: I don't think the new iPaq's have CF and SD support. |
| 19:55.23 | killefiz | mickeyl: not to forget expensive ;) |
| 19:55.28 | kergoth | mickeyl: prior to the next stable release i want simpleinit rather than sysvinit |
| 19:55.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: beyond that, not much :) |
| 19:55.44 | mickeyl | kergoth: thanks. i get questions concerning that and wanted to ask you before indicating what our mid-term plans are |
| 19:55.50 | mickeyl | kergoth: well if that is not enough ... :-D |
| 19:55.51 | killefiz | bipolar: thats a real con - yes. I would really like a C700 ... |
| 19:55.57 | kergoth | I'd say the testing release is about 4 weeks out or so |
| 19:56.04 | kergoth | what with me moving and everything.. |
| 19:56.10 | pb_ | bipolar: all the new ipaqs have sd/mmc. none of them have internal CF; you have to use a sleeve. |
| 19:56.15 | kergoth | I told them to set my start date as June 2nd |
| 19:56.28 | mickeyl | kergoth: i hope my simpad comes soon... chris seems not so enthusiastic 'bout OE on SimPAD ... I think I can encourage him by helping him with his buildroot |
| 19:56.36 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 19:56.37 | bipolar | Thats what I thought. THose sleeve's suck |
| 19:56.38 | Daagaak | out of interest is it a good idea to use testing and upgrade the z or leave it with stable? |
| 19:57.03 | killefiz | mickeyl: what's wrong with OE on SimPAD? |
| 19:57.09 | chouimat | kergoth: how long is the contract? |
| 19:57.27 | mickeyl | killefiz: wrong? nothing because that thing doesn't exist yet :) |
| 19:57.30 | bipolar | killefiz: also notice that with the ipaq, you'll not have SD card support in linux, just mmc. |
| 19:58.05 | killefiz | bipolar: ok ... i'll stay with the z for a while. Maybe sharp releases something c700ish someday |
| 19:58.20 | killefiz | mickeyl: i know - but it shouldn't be hard, should it? |
| 19:58.35 | pb_ | killefiz: why can't you just buy a c700? |
| 19:58.39 | mickeyl | killefiz: don't think so, but we'll see |
| 19:58.43 | bipolar | killefiz: if you are developing on linux, the Z is the device to get. It was designed to run it. |
| 19:59.05 | zecke|na1 | pb_: no CE, Warranty problems, no support by Sharp.DE |
| 19:59.06 | killefiz | pb_: i would have to import an imported device |
| 19:59.08 | mickeyl | pb_: no warranty if we buy it in germany |
| 19:59.22 | killefiz | exactly |
| 19:59.27 | pb_ | aha. |
| 19:59.36 | mickeyl | besides, I think sharp will decide to bring c700+ to germany in 2004. |
| 19:59.54 | zecke|na1 | Is it legally to use electronic devices in europe without a CE sign? |
| 19:59.55 | mickeyl | we will know in about 2 weeks |
| 20:00.22 | chouimat | simpad? |
| 20:00.22 | killefiz | mickeyl: either that or sharp will stop selling linux devices outside of japan |
| 20:00.27 | mickeyl | zecke|na1: yes - as a private person - but you can't sell it normally. |
| 20:00.31 | pb_ | zecke|na1: it's illegal to sell them, but I don't think there are restrictions on use. |
| 20:00.35 | killefiz | chouimat: simpad.sf.net |
| 20:00.45 | mickeyl | chouimat: simpad. Opie on 800x600 :-D |
| 20:01.16 | zecke|na1 | stupid laws... privately I must not take drugs but I can get myself killed with a non CE compilant device... |
| 20:01.16 | chouimat | k |
| 20:01.29 | chouimat | zecke|na1: hehehehehehe |
| 20:01.42 | mickeyl | http://opie.handhelds.org/images/cebit/phpslideshow.php?directory=.¤tPic=7 |
| 20:01.48 | mickeyl | ^^^ opie on simpad |
| 20:02.01 | pb_ | zecke|na1: one might hope that the sale of fatal PDAs was illegal even in Japan and the USA. |
| 20:02.04 | zecke|na1 | just like the young US soldiers musn't drink alcohol but may kill... |
| 20:02.10 | zecke|na1 | pb_: ;) |
| 20:02.26 | treke | eh? iirc you can drink on base |
| 20:03.01 | zecke|na1 | pb_: but if you try to plug the US plug into a German plug 220current vs 110... I bet this gets funny |
| 20:03.11 | zecke|na1 | treke: ah you may drink alcohol even with 18? |
| 20:03.19 | treke | zecke|na1: I believe so |
| 20:03.58 | chouimat | zecke|na1: lol |
| 20:04.32 | zecke|na1 | so I'll relocate myself into sleeping mode cya |
| 20:04.33 | treke | zecke|na1: You would probably have difficulty purchasing off base though |
| 20:05.06 | zecke|na1 | treke: in skool we did produce wine when I was 15.... ( chemistry class ) |
| 20:06.10 | Dessimat0r | I think Xfree is better suited to Simpad... |
| 20:06.19 | Dessimat0r | Opie just dosen't look ... right ;) |
| 20:06.31 | zecke | Dessimat0r: Xfree is so naked |
| 20:06.34 | mickeyl | Dessimat0r: wait if we add some window decorations and stuff |
| 20:06.59 | killefiz | Dessimat0r: it is right - konqueror is a great browser in combination with the simpad |
| 20:07.20 | zecke | mickeyl: might use a Qt3 version of Konq/E |
| 20:07.28 | zecke | including safari stuff |
| 20:07.32 | mickeyl | zecke: au yeah |
| 20:07.57 | zecke | can't wait to get my last operation done and beeing fully restored |
| 20:08.08 | zecke | skool off and one year+ to idle :) |
| 20:08.57 | mickeyl | zecke: that will be a great year for Opie :-D |
| 20:09.02 | mickeyl | (and for yourself of course :)) |
| 20:11.44 | bipolar | zecke: does that mean a year of KDE/Kitchensync programing? :) |
| 20:12.30 | treke | forget KDE. OPIE/evolution :) |
| 20:13.02 | mickeyl | I'd vote for libraries libraries libraries |
| 20:13.19 | mickeyl | we need a solid backend before doing more on the apps |
| 20:13.52 | bipolar | are all the apps going to start using the sqlite backend eventualy? |
| 20:13.53 | treke | ~kill kergoth |
| 20:13.59 | | ACTION slits kergoth's throat |
| 20:14.05 | mickeyl | bipolar: the pim apps definitly |
| 20:14.40 | kergoth | hmm, i-resign.com .. /me grabs an example resignation to send his boss |
| 20:14.46 | bipolar | mickeyl: how far along is support for that? Is it beyond the 'hey, thats a good idea' stage? |
| 20:14.54 | Daagaak | mickeyl: is testing more or less recent than stable at the moment?? |
| 20:15.15 | chouimat | kergoth: lol |
| 20:15.25 | mickeyl | bipolar_away: it is pretty far but not complete yet. |
| 20:15.31 | kergoth | Daagaak: you mean the oz testing branch? its unreleased, and identical to unstable |
| 20:15.47 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm hoping to be able to send a resignation letter to my boss .... wait it's me ... |
| 20:15.55 | kergoth | ~lart chouimat |
| 20:15.55 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:16.22 | treke | " Fuck off and die. |
| 20:16.25 | treke | sincerly, |
| 20:16.28 | treke | Chris Larson" |
| 20:16.42 | Daagaak | kergoth: yeah, its just that "upgrading" from stable to testing its complaing that the stable ipkg is newer than the testing |
| 20:18.09 | chouimat | treke: can you made that letter a little more wordy? |
| 20:19.31 | treke | I believe we should combine the synergy of you fucking off and the opportunities for innovation that can be found in you dying" |
| 20:19.42 | chouimat | treke: lol |
| 20:21.14 | chouimat | BOFH Excuse #182: |
| 20:21.14 | chouimat | endothermal recalibration |
| 20:21.45 | bipolar | chouimat: I just checked it. It's still 98.6*F |
| 20:22.19 | Dessimat0r | "I hate you, I hate your company, and I hate your face.", Sincerely, Chris Larson |
| 20:22.46 | Dessimat0r | to your boss |
| 20:22.48 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 20:25.00 | chouimat | bipolar: lol |
| 20:26.57 | bipolar | ~kill sourceforge's CVS addmin |
| 20:26.58 | | ACTION slits sourceforge's CVS addmin's throat |
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| 20:27.50 | chouimat | hi neo |
| 20:28.28 | kergoth | treke: lol |
| 20:28.55 | chouimat | man what a boring day ... |
| 20:29.19 | Daagaak | kergoth: yeah, its just that "upgrading" from stable to testing its complaing that the stable ipkg is newer than the testing |
| 20:30.47 | kergoth | uh |
| 20:30.53 | kergoth | 1) 0.99.62 < 0.99.83 |
| 20:31.12 | kergoth | 2) ipkg wouldnt complain. upgrade obtainst he latest version from the available feeds, regardless of source. |
| 20:34.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:34.59 | Daagaak | "Not downgrading package ipkg on root from 1:0.99.62-1 to 0.99.9-1" |
| 20:35.10 | kergoth | 0.99.9 isnt in any OZ feed. |
| 20:35.37 | Daagaak | "src testing http://openzaurus.org/officail/testing/feed" |
| 20:35.45 | Daagaak | and i ran ipkg install ipkg |
| 20:35.47 | kergoth | you can paste all you like, i'm logged into the web server. |
| 20:35.59 | kergoth | and 0.99.9 is not in any oz feed. |
| 20:36.09 | Daagaak | hmm, interesting |
| 20:36.22 | Daagaak | what version is in testing? |
| 20:36.52 | Daagaak | oops. |
| 20:37.34 | Daagaak | is /official/testing/feed the right reference? |
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| 20:37.42 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:37.50 | kergoth | what other feeds are in your ipkg.conf? |
| 20:37.55 | beattie | kergoth: now that I have the NDA how do I get th ehardware info? |
| 20:38.15 | Daagaak | http://docs.zaurus.com and http://www.consultmatt.co.uk/feed |
| 20:38.25 | Daagaak | is it docs.zaurus.com's fault? |
| 20:38.27 | kergoth | beattie: I'll send you 1) the full japanese locomo pdf, and 2) the translated spi chapter |
| 20:38.31 | kergoth | Daagaak: its one of those. |
| 20:38.44 | absentia | grrr |
| 20:38.47 | Daagaak | its not consultmatt cause its mine and i've only got bash and autofs in there |
| 20:38.55 | beattie | kergoth: thanks |
| 20:39.01 | absentia | I'm about to offer a reward for any opensource program that works and has documentation that is accurate |
| 20:39.02 | absentia | :-) |
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| 20:39.09 | kergoth | absentia: ahahaa |
| 20:39.13 | kergoth | absentia: like *thats* gonna happen |
| 20:39.31 | Daagaak | kergoth: any way to force from a source or should i rem docs.z ?? |
| 20:39.49 | kergoth | Daagaak: just comment it out / uncheck *active* |
| 20:40.23 | Daagaak | kergoth: i just ran ipkg install ipkg -V 2 without changing a thing and it worked! very odd. |
| 20:40.43 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:41.00 | Daagaak | kergoth: however ipkg upgrad eis doing nothing now |
| 20:43.16 | Daagaak | kergoth: ignore last comment |
| 20:43.47 | Daagaak | kergoth: how different is stable fom testing/unstable? |
| 20:44.00 | mickeyl | more recent - less tested. |
| 20:44.03 | kergoth | unstable is newer |
| 20:44.03 | mickeyl | nomen est omen |
| 20:44.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:44.05 | absentia | im tryring to get tmda to work with qmail in a filter mode with 4 qmail relays |
| 20:44.07 | kergoth | i'm not going to list every change |
| 20:44.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:44.12 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:44.15 | mickeyl | i bet you can't |
| 20:44.16 | absentia | I need to get tmda to set the return address on the confirmation message |
| 20:44.21 | kergoth | we need a BK change logs -> ChangeSet creator |
| 20:44.25 | kergoth | or something, like the cvs one |
| 20:44.26 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 20:44.27 | Daagaak | kergoth: no i didnt expect oyu to. i meant i should get some changes tho? |
| 20:44.41 | kergoth | 'i should get some changes'? |
| 20:44.43 | kergoth | yes, things changed. |
| 20:44.52 | kergoth | are the changes noticable? depends on the change in question |
| 20:45.01 | Daagaak | kergoth: right, cause i've got unstable only and nothign is being upgraded |
| 20:45.09 | kolla | anything funny going on here? :) |
| 20:45.20 | kergoth | well all of opie is newer in unstable |
| 20:45.27 | kergoth | you shouldve seen a shitload of opie packages upgraded |
| 20:45.31 | Daagaak | kolla: yeah im making an arse of myself in public |
| 20:45.32 | kergoth | if not, you just ran into a friendly ipkg ubg |
| 20:45.33 | kergoth | bug |
| 20:45.37 | Daagaak | kergoth: right |
| 20:45.39 | kolla | Daagaak: ah, nice |
| 20:45.41 | kolla | :) |
| 20:46.16 | SuKoShi | bonsoir |
| 20:46.18 | SuKoShi | hello |
| 20:47.00 | Daagaak | kergoth: it reckons all the opie modules are up to date. hold on i'll check the packages files online |
| 20:47.16 | kergoth | the packages files reflect the updates |
| 20:47.22 | kergoth | once again, you're running into an ipkg bug. |
| 20:47.30 | djr|w | kergoth: want that shell on my fbsd box? |
| 20:47.43 | kergoth | djr|w: sure, though who knows when i'll have time to hack on it |
| 20:47.50 | kergoth | things are a bit .. hectic at hte moment |
| 20:47.51 | djr|w | k |
| 20:48.16 | kolla | what was that qpe1.6 image the other day? |
| 20:48.58 | Daagaak | kergoth: yes i agree. ipkg reckons im on opie-todo (0.9.3-20030328-1) and that its newest. whereas Packages says 0.9.3-20030429 is. |
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| 20:50.02 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 20:50.22 | ljp | hi |
| 20:51.18 | bipolar | finaly... cvs.sf.net gave me access |
| 20:52.48 | Daagaak | kergoth: can i force all packages to reinstall? |
| 20:52.59 | kergoth | with a shell script.. |
| 20:53.03 | kergoth | -force-reinstall |
| 20:53.07 | kergoth | assuming it even works atm |
| 20:53.08 | ljp | TimRiker: ping |
| 20:53.29 | Daagaak | kergoth: as in run reinstall on each package seperately? |
| 20:54.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:54.24 | Daagaak | kergoth: how can i find out what ipkg thinks it has? i have a feed defined but it reckons theres no opie-todo avail when there is |
| 20:54.26 | bipolar | kergoth: car mileage is in my buildroot tree now. Works like a charm. |
| 20:54.40 | kergoth | Daagaak: ipkg status/ipkg info/etc |
| 20:55.01 | kergoth | bipolar: :) its pretty easy once you get the hang of it |
| 20:55.17 | bipolar | kergoth: yep :) |
| 20:55.32 | bipolar | kergoth: can you think of any others you would like me to add? |
| 20:55.52 | kergoth | hmm nothing comes to mind, i'm glad iqnotes is added, i was beginning to miss it on my c700 gcc3.. |
| 20:55.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:56.52 | chouimat|afk | kergoth: stop showing offf |
| 20:57.04 | kergoth | :P |
| 20:58.26 | Daagaak | kergoth: ipkg info shows the newer packages but forcing a reinstall balks saying theres no src for it |
| 20:59.52 | bipolar | kergoth: I put iqnotes and mileage into one tarball and emailed it to you. I did not include the changes to pkg.conf and packages/config.in. I figured it's something you could handle. :-) |
| 21:00.21 | kergoth | cool cool |
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| 21:03.20 | Daagaak | kergoth: is /usr/lib/ipkg the only place ipkg stuff lies around in? |
| 21:03.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:03.48 | kergoth | well |
| 21:03.50 | kergoth | and each media |
| 21:03.56 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.56 | kergoth | etc |
| 21:03.59 | Daagaak | yeah |
| 21:04.24 | Daagaak | kergoth: so if ipkg info shows the right version what oculd be confusing it to thinking it doesnt exist? |
| 21:04.32 | kergoth | uh, a bug? |
| 21:04.36 | kergoth | like i told you 3 times already? |
| 21:04.39 | kergoth | ipkg sucks. period. |
| 21:04.42 | Dessimat0r | getting a gamecube tomorrow |
| 21:04.45 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 21:04.50 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:04.54 | fishy | :P |
| 21:04.55 | kergoth | I should get a console system |
| 21:04.57 | Dessimat0r | one of those limited edition oes, with Zelda |
| 21:04.59 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:05.02 | fishy | get a xbox |
| 21:05.05 | Dessimat0r | *oes = ones |
| 21:05.11 | treke|ho1e | fuck xbox. get a ps2 |
| 21:05.12 | Dessimat0r | pff, an Xbox is no console |
| 21:05.25 | kergoth | I dont like the xbox |
| 21:05.25 | Daagaak | Dessimat0r: no its a pc in a box |
| 21:05.25 | fishy | Dessimat0r, you can run linux on it |
| 21:05.34 | djr|w | i have linux on my ps2 |
| 21:05.34 | djr|w | hehe |
| 21:05.35 | fishy | and everytime you buy an xbox |
| 21:05.36 | kergoth | ever since i played 18 hours of tony hawk on my firends xbox |
| 21:05.43 | kergoth | and my hands hurt like a son fof a bitch for like a week |
| 21:05.45 | fishy | "they" loose money |
| 21:05.46 | kergoth | i said fuck that shit |
| 21:05.56 | Dessimat0r | I might get one just for feeding DivX to the TV, heh |
| 21:06.07 | treke|ho1e | fishy: not as much as when you dont buy an xbox |
| 21:06.10 | fishy | Dessimat0r, ya |
| 21:06.23 | bipolar | ok.. later everyone |
| 21:06.36 | fishy | treke, umm actually they LOSE money when you buy one |
| 21:06.48 | fishy | if you dont buy one, they dont gain/lose |
| 21:06.49 | Dessimat0r | When I think PS2 or XBox. notihng good immediatly comes to mind... |
| 21:06.52 | Dessimat0r | *nothing |
| 21:06.52 | treke|ho1e | and they lose more when you dont |
| 21:07.30 | Dessimat0r | Gamecube has Zelda, Mario, Monkeyball, Metroid Prime, and FZero GC, coming soon |
| 21:07.35 | kergoth | yep, instead of getting not enough of a return on the product, they get nothing |
| 21:07.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:07.48 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: fzero gc?? shit thats reason enough to buy one right there. |
| 21:07.56 | Dessimat0r | yup |
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| 21:08.04 | djr|w | i prefer ps2 over xbox, i have both, but i play ps2 more |
| 21:08.07 | djr|w | more games, more better games |
| 21:08.07 | Dessimat0r | I love FZero also |
| 21:08.08 | djr|w | hehe |
| 21:08.24 | fishy | yes, ps2 games are the best |
| 21:08.26 | Dessimat0r | Got FZero on the N64 and SNES ;) |
| 21:08.44 | treke|ho1e | the thing with xbox is, I cant think of any games worth getting it for :) |
| 21:08.58 | treke|ho1e | for the most part it would just be for prettier graphics in games I can already get on ps2w |
| 21:09.04 | kergoth | the last console i owned was my snes. |
| 21:09.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:09.27 | fishy | snes rocks |
| 21:09.44 | treke|ho1e | gamecube at least looks like it has some really nice exclusive games |
| 21:09.45 | fishy | best console ever |
| 21:09.47 | Daagaak | kergoth: ok if i reflash this b*stard would you recommend any particualr upgrade path? |
| 21:09.54 | kergoth | Daagaak: dont upgrade ipkg :) |
| 21:10.10 | Dessimat0r | I loved the Dreamcast... Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia 0wned |
| 21:10.11 | treke|ho1e | better yet. dont install ipkg in the first place |
| 21:10.24 | Dessimat0r | on the SNES, secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore 0wned |
| 21:10.39 | Daagaak | kergoth: :) ok |
| 21:10.52 | treke|ho1e | I think the only ps2 games I've been dissapointed with have been Resident Evil : Codename Veronica and FFX |
| 21:10.59 | Daagaak | treke|ho1e: serious or pisstake? |
| 21:12.37 | Daagaak | kergoth: does the new ipkg do strange stuff with weighting arch's? |
| 21:12.40 | djr|w | hehe... i have ALL nes and snes roms |
| 21:12.51 | djr|w | http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/dj/emulator_stuff/ |
| 21:12.51 | djr|w | hehe |
| 21:13.26 | djr|w | i have all the consoles still though, nes, snes, n64, dreamcast, psx, ps2, xbox, gamecube, gameboy, uhhh... anything im forgetting |
| 21:13.34 | kergoth | Daagaak: strange stuff? no, it implements arch checking w/ priority, yes |
| 21:13.38 | kergoth | Daagaak: its not strange, tis by design |
| 21:13.41 | treke|ho1e | djr|w: aka too much money |
| 21:13.42 | _Psycho`bbl | heya |
| 21:14.00 | Daagaak | kergoth: k, does the 3.2 one do that as well? |
| 21:14.04 | djr|w | treke|ho1e: that was before i had a gf... now i can barely afford to put gas in my car... =/ |
| 21:14.09 | treke|ho1e | djr|w: hehe :) |
| 21:14.15 | treke|ho1e | Daagaak: 3.2's doesnt |
| 21:14.36 | treke|ho1e | one more reason to be happy single :) |
| 21:14.56 | Daagaak | treke|ho1e: does the unstable ipks use the arch's in a way that 3.2 wont like? |
| 21:15.17 | kergoth | Daagaak: 3.2 ipkg cant install unstable ipkg ipks, because their arch isnt 'arm' |
| 21:15.26 | _Psycho | building libsdl-image, he doesnt find libpng and libjpeg, strange its already compiled |
| 21:15.30 | kergoth | Daagaak: with the exception of the ipkg in unstable, which is still arm to allow upgrades |
| 21:16.02 | kergoth | damnit, boss isnt in his office |
| 21:16.06 | Daagaak | kergoth: yeah. k, any alternative to ipkg :D? |
| 21:16.06 | kergoth | need to hand in my resignation |
| 21:16.14 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 21:16.27 | kergoth | not really. theres dpkg+apt, but they are too huge, not designed for use on resource constrained devices |
| 21:16.39 | _Psycho | hey kergoth, i had a quick question last night, i removed -fno-rtti from libsdl last night to make it build in the configure, any idea if that was important ? |
| 21:16.58 | Daagaak | kergoth: so if my problem is a bug theres no other way to get unstable onto my z? |
| 21:17.06 | kergoth | Daagaak: READ |
| 21:17.10 | _Psycho | maybe its why libsdl-image doesnt work hehe |
| 21:17.13 | kergoth | Daagaak: THE mailing list archives |
| 21:17.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:17.19 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:17.22 | Daagaak | kergoth: k |
| 21:20.11 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: lay a brick on his chair |
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| 21:23.08 | ljp | ugggh. I think my worst nightmare is about to happen: having to choose between two decent jobs |
| 21:23.28 | Dessimat0r | choose both :D |
| 21:23.36 | Dessimat0r | just call in sick when you want to do the other |
| 21:23.37 | ljp | I wish |
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| 21:23.57 | ljp | hahahha, very funny. ones in dallas, the other in brisbane |
| 21:24.00 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:24.02 | kergoth | ljp: TI make you an offer? |
| 21:24.19 | ljp | dunno. tim gave me botmail, I am supposed to ping him |
| 21:24.34 | Dessimat0r | choose the job that has the most job security |
| 21:24.38 | Dessimat0r | it sucks to be made redundant |
| 21:24.56 | _Psycho | anyone know for libsdl ? |
| 21:24.58 | kergoth | yay, just resigned. i feel better now |
| 21:25.05 | kergoth | a weight has been lifted |
| 21:25.06 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: heh |
| 21:25.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:25.07 | ljp | nice! |
| 21:25.12 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: now smash up the computer |
| 21:25.16 | Twiun | congratulations! |
| 21:25.25 | ljp | ya, I closed on the sale of my business on Thursday, I know how you feel |
| 21:25.26 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 21:25.27 | kergoth | i-resign.com <-good plcae |
| 21:25.31 | Twiun | ljp: how about doing both? |
| 21:25.39 | ljp | both. ha |
| 21:25.50 | Dessimat0r | did you lay a bring in the boss's chair? |
| 21:25.51 | ljp | llloooooonnnnggggggg assed commute |
| 21:25.53 | Dessimat0r | *brick |
| 21:25.55 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:26.07 | Dessimat0r | best way to resign ;) |
| 21:26.14 | Twiun | ljp: can't you telecommute for either? |
| 21:26.18 | ljp | naa, better to not burn bridges |
| 21:26.23 | Dessimat0r | especially when he dosen't see it before sitting down |
| 21:26.32 | ljp | Twiun: I doubt it |
| 21:27.07 | ljp | I dont think dallas has quite the access to beaches |
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| 21:27.32 | ljp | probably have to flip a coin |
| 21:27.33 | chouimat | kergoth: now the 2 most heavy weeks begins |
| 21:27.35 | Twiun | or possibly the same incidence of skin cancers? |
| 21:27.53 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
| 21:27.55 | Dessimat0r | "Always leave the meeting on a good note and be as co-operative as possible. Stress that you will undertake the handover of any uncompleted work to the best of your ability. People remember both the first and last impression you make on them. " |
| 21:27.57 | Dessimat0r | haha |
| 21:28.08 | Dessimat0r | fuck that |
| 21:28.30 | ljp | cmon, tim, ping back |
| 21:28.31 | chouimat | kergoth: and I'm still waiting here to get an answer ... any answer |
| 21:29.19 | ljp | TimRiker: ping |
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| 21:30.08 | prods | anyone willing to help a newbie flash openzaurus into her sharp zaurus sl-c700 ?? |
| 21:30.16 | _Psycho | sure |
| 21:30.17 | Dessimat0r | Commander Riker to my ready room at once! |
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| 21:30.30 | prods | yay! |
| 21:30.41 | _Psycho | prods, basically, download the updater.sh initrd.bin zImage.bin from www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700 |
| 21:30.49 | treke|ho1e | now kergoth can dedicate the next two weeks to OZ :) |
| 21:30.54 | _Psycho | then put it, into the root of your CF or SD card |
| 21:30.55 | Dessimat0r | yes |
| 21:31.02 | ljp | or to moving |
| 21:31.10 | prods | i don't know how to connect the zaurus to my desktop at all >_< |
| 21:31.10 | treke|ho1e | "sorry, I'm a bit too busy to take that support call" |
| 21:31.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:31.17 | chouimat | ljp: hee's probably busy to write down kergoth todo list |
| 21:31.27 | _Psycho | prods you have a card reader for your CF or SD? |
| 21:31.35 | prods | i don't have a CF or SD *sob* |
| 21:31.51 | Dessimat0r | kergoth, don't worry if someone locks the door on your house, it will open again in 2 weeks time |
| 21:31.54 | prods | just the usb, and that doesn't even work |
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| 21:31.59 | icefox | ibot icefox |
| 21:32.00 | | you are probably a kde developer and is known as benmeyer |
| 21:32.15 | _Psycho | prods you need 1 of them to flash your c700, i dont think the usb flash is working yet even for the sharp rom |
| 21:32.29 | _Psycho | need at least a 32megs CF or SD i guess |
| 21:32.37 | prods | O.o; |
| 21:32.40 | Dessimat0r | A KDE developer in our midsts? I bow before you, good sir. |
| 21:32.46 | kergoth | ~lart Dessimat0r |
| 21:32.48 | ljp | ha |
| 21:33.03 | prods | is there any way even to get basic access to my c700's filesystem via usb?? |
| 21:33.16 | _Psycho | so no genuis here know what is that -fno-rtti option i removed to build libsdl :) |
| 21:33.26 | _Psycho | stupid libsdl-image |
| 21:33.32 | prods | it's still incompletely translated |
| 21:33.38 | kergoth | prods: c700 can only flash from cf, sd, or usb |
| 21:33.45 | kergoth | prods: theres no way to flash the first flash partition from the second |
| 21:33.57 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 21:33.57 | prods | no need for flash, what about basic access to files? |
| 21:33.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:34.01 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:34.03 | _Psycho | prods yes with the syncs software from the CDROM, took me like 1 hour to figure it out, usb worked fine under my windows xp |
| 21:34.04 | kergoth | files are stored in flash. |
| 21:34.10 | kergoth | c700's storage is flash |
| 21:34.16 | prods | oh. |
| 21:34.37 | kergoth | pick up a small cf or sd for flashing, they're dirt cheap |
| 21:34.40 | prods | well _Psycho how did you get the cd software to work |
| 21:34.57 | _Psycho | prods just try the 4-5 software when you intall it, its japanese, but somehow you get the explorer working if your usb is plugged fine ;) |
| 21:35.20 | prods | it would be nice if xp had built-in japanese support...just a *teeny* bit |
| 21:35.24 | _Psycho | well i just plugged and usb cable, XP detected it, and like the c700 will sync |
| 21:35.49 | prods | hmm it supposedly uses its own samba server...how do you get to that? |
| 21:35.56 | treke|ho1e | biggest downside is that now that kergoth has a development job, he has less OZ time |
| 21:36.06 | kergoth | yeah, no more oz dev all day while slacking at work |
| 21:36.09 | _Psycho | yes big downside |
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| 21:36.26 | treke|ho1e | go back to digi dammit |
| 21:37.03 | _Psycho | prods not sure about what the sharp rom can do, but you can always try to plug the usb, and ping your zaurus if it ping well its a good start |
| 21:37.03 | treke|ho1e | although realistically, OZ is getting fairly stable |
| 21:37.07 | _Psycho | i dont remember the IP thought |
| 21:37.26 | Dessimat0r | we need the new kernel, dammit! ;) |
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| 21:37.33 | _Psycho | who is the libsdl guru around ? |
| 21:37.41 | ljp | andy is |
| 21:37.58 | prods | <flamebait> a pocket pc would probably do this automatically </flamebait> |
| 21:38.11 | treke|ho1e | prods: then go bye a ppc |
| 21:38.18 | kergoth | lets lynch prods |
| 21:38.19 | prods | i'm sorry i had to say it DON'T KILL ME! |
| 21:38.20 | treke|ho1e | buy |
| 21:38.21 | kergoth | where'd i put that rope? |
| 21:38.22 | _Psycho | prods just because you dont understand japanese doesnt mean it doesnt do it :) |
| 21:38.44 | treke|ho1e | we dont need rope |
| 21:38.47 | treke|ho1e | we have pointy sticks |
| 21:39.04 | Dessimat0r | and sawn off shotguns |
| 21:39.09 | treke|ho1e | ibot, seen DocWhat? |
| 21:39.09 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 33d 21h 47m 58s ago, saying: 'I'm outta here.'. |
| 21:39.11 | _Psycho | andy not online ? |
| 21:39.20 | prods | eeeee didn't you read RFC666? any comment inside a <flamebait> tag is automatically lynchproof |
| 21:39.28 | _Psycho | ah well i guess i just remove some stuff from libsdl ;) |
| 21:39.32 | treke|ho1e | read RFC666 section 3 |
| 21:39.45 | treke|ho1e | we reserve the right to regulate on your ass at any time |
| 21:39.47 | kergoth | prods: didnt you know? #openembedded isnt rfc666 compliant |
| 21:39.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:39.54 | ljp | hmmm |
| 21:39.59 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 21:40.14 | prods | i get this odd feeling that treke has little patience for newbies |
| 21:40.18 | prods | o.o |
| 21:40.28 | ljp | treke has little patience for anybody |
| 21:40.38 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: true that |
| 21:40.42 | ljp | hehe thats not saying much |
| 21:40.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:40.50 | _Psycho | someone know or could give me a quick hint where to check, when the configure or libsdl-image run, he doesnt find libpng, zlib and linjpeg |
| 21:40.57 | drw | hey everyone |
| 21:40.58 | treke|ho1e | newbies and hippies |
| 21:41.02 | treke|ho1e | everyone else is ok |
| 21:41.07 | prods | treke: elias? |
| 21:41.09 | kergoth | _Psycho: are libpng, zlib, and libjpeg in output/staging/target/lib/? |
| 21:41.10 | treke|ho1e | elias? |
| 21:41.24 | prods | oh, never mind. you sounded like someone i know for a second |
| 21:41.29 | _Psycho | yes |
| 21:41.44 | ljp | earth to tim, please respond |
| 21:41.47 | Dessimat0r | Peace, man |
| 21:41.51 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: heard from docwhat lately? |
| 21:41.58 | _Psycho | actually i have libz.0.1.1.4 not zlib (guessing its the same) |
| 21:42.02 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: nope, not a damn thing. vanished like so many others |
| 21:42.20 | treke|ho1e | everyone up an vanishes |
| 21:42.22 | ljp | ya, like verxwork with my card |
| 21:42.34 | treke|ho1e | what card? |
| 21:42.40 | kergoth | yeah, mine too |
| 21:42.46 | kergoth | he tought me some basics about keyboard drivers |
| 21:42.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:42.55 | ljp | verxwork was going to give me a card |
| 21:43.01 | ljp | mmc or cf or something |
| 21:43.25 | ljp | last I heard from him was, 'still at the same address?' |
| 21:43.48 | kergoth | ibot: seen verxwork |
| 21:43.49 | | kergoth: i haven't seen 'verxwork' |
| 21:43.54 | kergoth | ibot: seen verxion |
| 21:43.54 | | kergoth: i haven't seen 'verxion' |
| 21:43.57 | _Psycho | anymore suggestion my kergoth ? |
| 21:44.05 | kergoth | heh, forgot, he vanished before ibot become a blootbot |
| 21:44.21 | treke|ho1e | wait a second |
| 21:44.26 | treke|ho1e | verx is still around... |
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| 21:44.39 | kergoth | he is? where at? |
| 21:45.02 | prods | waa now i can't even get basic I/O to my c700 |
| 21:45.11 | prods | _Psycho save meeee |
| 21:45.19 | treke|ho1e | Freddie, I think |
| 21:45.29 | _Psycho | prods you under windows xp ? |
| 21:45.39 | prods | yes :( |
| 21:45.39 | kergoth | err, freddie is verx? |
| 21:45.43 | treke|ho1e | I think so |
| 21:45.55 | _Psycho | hmm when you plug your usb cable, xp detected your device right ? |
| 21:46.25 | prods | yeah, it went through the new hardware, found a driver, and now decided it "could not find the file specified" |
| 21:46.35 | _Psycho | put the cdrom in it |
| 21:46.38 | kergoth | isnt windows grand? |
| 21:46.39 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: Freddie wrote GetDone, which is what Verx was working on. So I'm making a guess but apparently Verx is Freddie :) |
| 21:46.41 | _Psycho | it will install the drivers |
| 21:46.52 | prods | i know |
| 21:46.55 | prods | the cd is in |
| 21:47.02 | ljp | hmmmmmm |
| 21:47.06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:47.39 | _Psycho | well my XP not up atm, but like i just installed the drivers like every other, witht he cdrom drivers i think |
| 21:47.51 | prods | i got two |
| 21:47.55 | prods | in c:\windows\inf |
| 21:48.01 | prods | o.o; |
| 21:48.12 | _Psycho | yeah i think he detect 2-3 things |
| 21:48.15 | Dessimat0r | argh.. backslashes! |
| 21:48.44 | _Psycho | stupid libsdl when opie is done |
| 21:48.53 | TheMasterMind1 | wassabi |
| 21:48.56 | prods | i remove and try again |
| 21:48.59 | kergoth | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 21:49.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 21:49.10 | TheMasterMind1 | collie image needs updating |
| 21:49.12 | TheMasterMind1 | and ipkg sucks |
| 21:49.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i think we should use an older cvs date |
| 21:49.26 | kergoth | i salvaged my shitty hungover monday somewhat by resigning from my job |
| 21:49.27 | kergoth | not much else |
| 21:49.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:49.32 | kergoth | yes ipkg sucks |
| 21:49.35 | TheMasterMind1 | you resigned?! |
| 21:49.35 | kergoth | open bug reports |
| 21:49.39 | TheMasterMind1 | you're jobless now? |
| 21:49.43 | ljp | hahaa |
| 21:49.46 | Dessimat0r | doley |
| 21:49.46 | ljp | jobful |
| 21:49.47 | *** part/#openembedded prods (prods@69.0.75.226.adsl.snet.net) |
| 21:49.48 | kergoth | you're out of the loop |
| 21:49.52 | TheMasterMind1 | yes i am |
| 21:49.52 | kergoth | i'm moving to dallas to work for TI |
| 21:49.56 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 21:49.58 | TheMasterMind1 | shweet |
| 21:50.00 | TheMasterMind1 | congrats |
| 21:50.02 | kergoth | kernel development on the OMAP processor |
| 21:50.03 | kergoth | embedded |
| 21:50.04 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 21:50.05 | TheMasterMind1 | shite |
| 21:50.08 | TheMasterMind1 | thats awesome |
| 21:50.12 | Dessimat0r | is dallas in Texas? |
| 21:50.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:50.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yes it is |
| 21:50.21 | treke|ho1e | oh yeah, and openembedded has been discontinued |
| 21:50.21 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:50.23 | ljp | unfortunately |
| 21:50.28 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|ho1e: heh |
| 21:50.54 | *** topic/#openembedded by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | See the openembedded and openzaurus bitkeeper repositories | Buildroot developers for OpenEmbedded meet in #buildroot-oe | kergoth's moving to Dallas to work on embedded kernel development for TI |
| 21:51.10 | *** topic/#openembedded by Dessimat0r -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | See the openembedded and openzaurus bitkeeper repositories | Buildroot developers for OpenEmbedded meet in #buildroot-oe | kergoth's moving to Dallas to work on embedded kernel development for TI |
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| 21:51.13 | chouimat | ljp: did tim reply? |
| 21:51.17 | Dessimat0r | hmm |
| 21:51.21 | ljp | trying to ping him |
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| 21:51.38 | Dessimat0r | how come anyone can change the topic? o_O |
| 21:51.40 | prods | curses. |
| 21:51.54 | TheMasterMind1 | Dessimat0r: its an opensource channel |
| 21:51.59 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:52.10 | Dessimat0r | Make us all ops then ;) |
| 21:52.12 | TheMasterMind1 | its always been like that |
| 21:52.23 | TheMasterMind1 | no that'd be stupid |
| 21:52.31 | TheMasterMind1 | giving people like you ops == bad idea |
| 21:52.32 | ljp | heh, ya we can kick each other off all the time |
| 21:52.32 | TheMasterMind1 | :D |
| 21:52.36 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o TheMasterMind1] by ChanServ |
| 21:52.36 | _Psycho | ibot: zaurus ip |
| 21:52.37 | | _Psycho: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:52.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so when're you moving |
| 21:52.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: start date is june 2nd, so need to be out there by then |
| 21:53.08 | Dessimat0r | June 2nd is my birthday ;) |
| 21:53.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: gave the job 2 weeks notice, so have like 2 weeks to get moved and get my shit in order |
| 21:53.33 | ljp | ya, and he starts out 2 weeks behind on work |
| 21:53.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:54.13 | ljp | you going to go down there to look for a place? or move while you are at it? |
| 21:54.30 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: can you get free calculators for us? :D |
| 21:54.37 | ljp | hahahaa |
| 21:54.47 | ljp | Dessimat0r: try bc on a term |
| 21:54.51 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 21:55.00 | kergoth | ljp: I'm likely going to drive out with clothes and computer and little else, and stay in an extended stay hotel or something for a couple months |
| 21:55.11 | kergoth | ljp: cause i dont have any cash for deposit and shit on a place atm |
| 21:55.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:55.19 | ljp | ya, me too |
| 21:55.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sounds awesome |
| 21:55.23 | ljp | hehe |
| 21:55.54 | chouimat | kergoth: how much they ask for deposit? |
| 21:56.01 | ljp | and he gets his own security badge! |
| 21:56.09 | chouimat | hehe |
| 21:56.30 | kergoth | chouimat: dunno, but however much it is, its too much. i'm behind on like every bill right now |
| 21:56.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56.46 | ljp | you gooing to sell your townhouse? |
| 21:56.51 | kergoth | gotta move out, start making the cash there, then pay off the bills, get someone to rent my current townhouse out, then get an apartment |
| 21:56.54 | kergoth | not if i dont have to |
| 21:57.01 | kergoth | i'd prefer to keep gaining equity there |
| 21:57.08 | ljp | true that |
| 21:57.10 | chouimat | kergoth: ok ... time for another sacrifice to googli-moogli |
| 21:57.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57.29 | chouimat | kergoth: for how long you sign? |
| 21:57.36 | ljp | thats _great_ googli-moogli! get it correct! |
| 21:57.45 | kergoth | the paperwork is in the mail |
| 21:57.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:57.53 | Dessimat0r | *ahem* Lord Lude is your God, fear him. |
| 21:57.59 | chouimat | time for another sacrifice to the great googli-moogli |
| 21:58.07 | ljp | :) |
| 21:58.48 | ljp | hmm, may have to wait till tomorrow for tim to call me. its 5pm there |
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| 21:59.55 | kergoth | hey hugh, hows it goin? |
| 22:00.09 | Dessimat0r | ||ugh - welcome back to the collective |
| 22:00.56 | ||ugh | There can be only one...! |
| 22:00.59 | Dessimat0r | tertinary adjunct of unimatrix 4 |
| 22:01.16 | ||ugh | Who is number 6? |
| 22:01.35 | chouimat | kergoth: you start in june? |
| 22:01.35 | Dessimat0r | a Unimatrix is a Borg world, I think |
| 22:01.37 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 22:01.51 | kergoth | chouimat: yep. june 2nd |
| 22:02.12 | ||ugh | Oh no! Kergoth got a job?!? What a distr...er...congradulations! |
| 22:03.09 | chouimat | kergoth: I think I will short on virgin soon with all those sacrifice :) |
| 22:03.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:03.41 | kenb | kergoth: congrats! |
| 22:03.48 | kergoth | thanks |
| 22:03.58 | kergoth | i'm so happy i got out of tech support |
| 22:04.00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:04.07 | kenb | The question is... how much will OE suffer with you working on real work instead of tech support :) |
| 22:04.11 | ||ugh | Is this the TI job? What will you be doing? |
| 22:04.27 | kergoth | ||ugh: kernel driver development/porting. embedded. OMAP processor |
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| 22:04.54 | ||ugh | Whats the arrangement on your OZ/OE work? They clueful? |
| 22:05.20 | kergoth | they seem very clueful, but I'll be having a lawyer look over the contract when i receive it |
| 22:05.26 | kergoth | brb |
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| 22:11.28 | Gnuman | Hmmm, has opiealarm been fixed lately? |
| 22:12.07 | Gnuman | I keep getting zombie processes from it, using OZ 3.2 |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth | known bug, not fixed |
| 22:12.27 | kergoth | sandman was working on it |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth | but i havent seen him lately |
| 22:12.33 | Gnuman | Ahhh, KK |
| 22:12.40 | kergoth | ibot: seen sandman_ |
| 22:12.42 | | sandman_ <~sandman@pD9E8B434.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 44d 20h 32m 24s ago, saying: 'ljp: It's that thing you need to log into a SharpROM Zaurus ;)'. |
| 22:12.43 | Gnuman | BTW, congarats kergoth |
| 22:12.49 | kergoth | ibot: seen sandman |
| 22:12.49 | | sandman <~sandman@pD9E8A201.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 38d 8h 13m 39s ago, saying: 'this is a mail from andyc about BT uarts on ipaqs'. |
| 22:12.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:12.55 | kergoth | ibot: seen sandman__ |
| 22:12.55 | | sandman__ <~sandman@pD9E8AC2D.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 109d 32m 44s ago, saying: 'andersee: Hi Erik - are you here ?'. |
| 22:13.01 | kergoth | thanks |
| 22:13.35 | Gnuman | I'm hoping to get my new WNIC soon, so I can upgrade ti unstable |
| 22:13.46 | Gnuman | and add my favorite apps <G> |
| 22:13.46 | kergoth | what card ya getting? |
| 22:13.59 | Gnuman | a replacement MA701 |
| 22:14.02 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:14.09 | Gnuman | this one died on me. . . |
| 22:14.22 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: you see that email from mithro re: gcc2 compat ipk? |
| 22:14.49 | bipolar | kergoth: I just sent you the patch |
| 22:14.54 | kergoth | k |
| 22:14.55 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah... it's monday |
| 22:15.02 | Gnuman | has there been any work on updating the kernel to something later? |
| 22:15.12 | bipolar | Gnuman: yes |
| 22:15.31 | Gnuman | is there a later kernel available yet? |
| 22:15.40 | treke | kergoth: did not |
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| 22:15.42 | kergoth | Gnuman: 2.4.19-rmk7-cl1 works on the Z, but needs finishing touches. |
| 22:15.47 | Dessimat0r | fucking ntl |
| 22:15.49 | treke | kergoth: ld preload trick? |
| 22:15.59 | kergoth | treke: its just a shell script. yep, exactly. preload/ld_library_path |
| 22:16.18 | Dessimat0r | disconnects me for no reason at times |
| 22:16.22 | kergoth | simple enough, but we should add it to buildroot :) |
| 22:16.30 | chouimat | kergoth: remember while in TX: 1 woman + 1 woman == no more cash in my banking account |
| 22:16.37 | treke | kergoth: how big is it? |
| 22:16.54 | kergoth | treke: well, its libqte, libqpe, and the script. i didnt grab it myself, but its gotta be a few megs at least |
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| 22:17.02 | treke | hrm |
| 22:17.08 | kergoth | treke: course you can install it to a cf or sd or something |
| 22:17.08 | Gnuman | kergoth what is meant by "finishing touches? |
| 22:17.22 | kergoth | Gnuman: small bugs and missing features that I didnt fix, because they were really low priority |
| 22:17.31 | treke | kergoth: its funny. I'm picky about space usage for some reason |
| 22:17.31 | kergoth | Gnuman: but which make it seem unfinished, unprofessional |
| 22:17.37 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: 2.4.19 is compatible with lassie? |
| 22:17.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: should we just backrev the cvs we're using |
| 22:17.47 | kergoth | treke: well, you only need it to run those tkc apps of yours :P |
| 22:17.57 | treke | kergoth: but I've got something like 192meg of storage |
| 22:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | the cvs of ipkg that is |
| 22:18.23 | Gnuman | kergoth but MMCSD is working, right? |
| 22:18.25 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd buy it if it wasn't for the huge ugly winxp style graphics |
| 22:18.31 | kergoth | Gnuman: sharp sent me a new binary module. |
| 22:18.35 | kergoth | Gnuman: but i was asked not to release it yet. |
| 22:18.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: when can you release it |
| 22:18.45 | Gnuman | ????? |
| 22:18.47 | treke | TheMasterMind1: opie overides them now |
| 22:18.52 | treke | at least a bit |
| 22:18.57 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: heh |
| 22:19.04 | TheMasterMind1 | do they still need to be installeD? |
| 22:19.24 | treke | well there is no theme to install, so yes |
| 22:19.26 | greearb | anyone know if dhclient is supposed to be working (fails to build for me...but I'm cursed) :) |
| 22:19.28 | treke | its part of libtkc |
| 22:19.42 | TheMasterMind1 | opie needs a jabber client |
| 22:19.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wait for whatshisname to get the qtopia interface for gaim goin :) |
| 22:20.02 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:20.07 | TheMasterMind1 | that'll take forever |
| 22:20.07 | Gnuman | kergoth so if I use the .19 kernel, I loose the SD card? |
| 22:20.11 | treke | that will r0x0r :) |
| 22:20.11 | TheMasterMind1 | gaim devels are slow |
| 22:20.14 | TheMasterMind1 | Gnuman: no |
| 22:20.22 | TheMasterMind1 | Gnuman: when .19 is released, it will have SD support |
| 22:20.34 | alexw | Gnuman: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/content/news |
| 22:20.44 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, i gotta reboot |
| 22:20.44 | Gnuman | but it is not released yet, eh? |
| 22:20.51 | TheMasterMind1 | wanna check out this new lilo thing |
| 22:20.57 | TheMasterMind1 | unstable++ |
| 22:20.59 | kergoth | Gnuman: no, once again, it needs finishing touches before i'm releasing OZ w/ it |
| 22:21.08 | kergoth | Gnuman: and the next oz stable release isnt for another 2-3 months |
| 22:21.24 | bipolar | Gnuman: no. It needs work, and I don't think kergoth has the go-ahead to release the SD module. |
| 22:21.30 | chouimat | kergoth: add more months |
| 22:21.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:21.36 | kergoth | not a bad idea |
| 22:21.43 | kergoth | i suck at schedules |
| 22:21.56 | chouimat | kergoth: me too |
| 22:22.05 | bipolar | kergoth: post to the list: OZ 3.4 in only 6 months! |
| 22:22.07 | bipolar | heh |
| 22:22.09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:22.27 | bipolar | kergoth: then, when they get in in 5 they will be happy. :) |
| 22:22.41 | kergoth | did anyone ever test OZ/OE on the tuxscreen? i added its kernel, but dont have hardware to test it |
| 22:22.44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:22.47 | mickeyl | kergoth: however a status update from you would make our users happy... tease them a bit! |
| 22:22.57 | mickeyl | kind of mini roadmap or so |
| 22:22.58 | treke | better yet. say no OZ 3.4 and then they will be thrilled when it appears |
| 22:23.06 | mickeyl | mmh... |
| 22:23.07 | kergoth | yeah, I'll post one today with a rough timeline |
| 22:23.48 | kenb | me 3 |
| 22:25.47 | Gnuman | I wan a bunch of them<G> |
| 22:26.33 | prods | mmm |
| 22:26.52 | prods | what is the "SUN Remote Procedure Call" port and why is it open on my c700? |
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| 22:27.08 | Gnuman | kergoth you want anyone for testing of the kernel/applications? |
| 22:27.15 | kergoth | Gnuman: eventually, yes. now, no. |
| 22:27.16 | kergoth | win 12 |
| 22:27.18 | kergoth | damn / |
| 22:27.37 | treke | prods: do you have portmap running? or maybe ined? |
| 22:27.39 | alexw | prods: it's needed for NFS and NIS, did you install either of those? |
| 22:27.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 22:27.47 | TheMasterMind1 | liloiscool |
| 22:27.52 | prods | eeeek acronyms |
| 22:28.05 | prods | i haven't installed anything on the c700 except perl |
| 22:28.22 | Gnuman | TheMasterMind1 can you lilo between the Sharp ROM and OZ? |
| 22:28.33 | prods | _Psycho only just got it to answer pings from my desktop o.o;; |
| 22:28.46 | kergoth | Gnuman: uh, no. |
| 22:29.01 | kergoth | Gnuman: we'd need a new bootloader that works on the Z. feel free to port blob, bootldr, or u-boot |
| 22:29.04 | Gnuman | Oh well, I had to ask. . .<G> |
| 22:29.30 | prods | portmap / ined = ? |
| 22:30.09 | Gnuman | so you'd use lilo to pass kernel params? |
| 22:31.05 | kergoth | no, lilo is an x86 bootloader |
| 22:31.08 | prods | *ahem* why does my virgin c700 have 9 open ports, 4 of which I've never even heard of? |
| 22:31.10 | kergoth | you wouldnt use lilo at all |
| 22:31.12 | Gnuman | or is TheMasterMind1 not working on a Zaurus? |
| 22:31.19 | kergoth | prods: sharp rom? ask them |
| 22:31.27 | kergoth | Gnuman: note |
| 22:31.28 | treke | but its hard to to be motivated to work on something that no one actually uses |
| 22:31.32 | kergoth | Gnuman: this channel is rarely on topic. |
| 22:31.41 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:31.55 | Gnuman | Oh good, I'll fit *right* in. . . . |
| 22:31.56 | treke | or more correctly, the topic of the channel is not always obvious |
| 22:32.04 | kergoth | right |
| 22:32.10 | Dessimat0r | I pressed F6 6 times and crashed explorer! |
| 22:32.14 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 22:32.24 | TheMasterMind1 | i love the new explorer crash |
| 22:32.25 | kergoth | bipolar: there, pushed your iqnotes and mileage bits. remember to remove them from your local tree or you'll have some funnn conflicts ;) |
| 22:32.29 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 22:32.35 | kenb | Dell Computer Corp.'s board of directors have called for a much-needed company name change. |
| 22:32.38 | kenb | Damn. |
| 22:32.44 | kenb | No more Dell Dude! |
| 22:32.45 | prods | Dessimat0r: it doesn't work for me! |
| 22:32.49 | prods | * feels left out * |
| 22:32.57 | treke | much needed name change? |
| 22:33.02 | Dessimat0r | Dunno why it worked for me, i was just messing about |
| 22:33.07 | kenb | well |
| 22:33.18 | kenb | they are changing "Dell Computer Corp" -> "Dell Inc." appearntly. |
| 22:33.23 | treke | ah |
| 22:33.24 | kenb | I don't see the point. |
| 22:33.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33.44 | prods | because they're going to start selling drugs, handguns and condoms |
| 22:33.48 | treke | I was gonna say. Dropping the Dell part seemed like a bad idea :) |
| 22:33.52 | prods | and they don't want their name to be too specific |
| 22:34.03 | kenb | heh |
| 22:34.03 | kenb | The investors should speak out in favor of a more compelling name - McDell or McDell-Mart, perhaps. |
| 22:34.18 | Dessimat0r | Dell King, or Taco Dell |
| 22:34.40 | Gnuman | Thanks. . .\ |
| 22:34.41 | kenb | Taco Dell is good. |
| 22:34.52 | treke | kergoth: wheee ready for a flame ware on familiar's list? |
| 22:34.52 | kenb | "Dell Canada" == "Bell Canada" |
| 22:34.59 | prods | taco hell! (yay jhonen vasquez!) |
| 22:35.00 | Dessimat0r | haha |
| 22:35.01 | Gnuman | now I will have images of computer nachos all day |
| 22:35.03 | treke | "why arent we using md5 and shadow passwords?" |
| 22:35.37 | prods | anyone have a compiled form of 7350wurm so i can crack my own zaurus? ^^ |
| 22:35.41 | Gnuman | ummmmm. . . . |
| 22:36.22 | Gnuman | treke, you could add them to his handheld, and then change the root password. . . |
| 22:36.58 | kergoth | treke: fun! guess i should go look in the familiar mailbox i havnet touched in a week |
| 22:37.22 | treke | I dont look very often anymore :) |
| 22:37.24 | Gnuman | I mean really. . . it logs into root as default. . . |
| 22:37.35 | kergoth | Gnuman: not for long |
| 22:37.37 | treke | or does it? |
| 22:37.48 | kenb | root logins are going away... |
| 22:37.56 | Gnuman | that is good |
| 22:37.59 | treke | and this is on familiar, not openembedded |
| 22:38.06 | treke | where root logins arent nearly as common |
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| 22:38.22 | Gnuman | Ahhh |
| 22:38.26 | prods | it's not easy being green, pilgrim |
| 22:38.51 | kergoth | yeap |
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| 22:41.15 | Gnuman | OK, time for me to go look at the updated feed and see what goodies you all have cooked up for my Z.. |
| 22:41.19 | treke | besides, current OE doesnt log in as root by default :) |
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| 23:09.23 | treke | hrm. another opie bug |
| 23:09.39 | treke | well opie-nonroot |
| 23:09.57 | kergoth | what bug? |
| 23:10.36 | bipolar | hahahaha |
| 23:10.39 | bipolar | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1044 |
| 23:10.55 | bipolar | thats just stupid |
| 23:11.09 | treke | the calibration results arent persisting since pointercal is unwritable :) |
| 23:11.19 | kergoth | treke: hah |
| 23:11.31 | kergoth | make a calibration group, add the user to it? or just make it world writable? |
| 23:11.35 | treke | also I forgot to change cards to mount as root in my new images |
| 23:11.47 | kergoth | bipolar: what the fuck.. |
| 23:12.02 | ljp | hehehehehe. that runs on the zaurus? |
| 23:12.06 | treke | kergoth: I was leaning towards just world writable. keep it simple :) |
| 23:12.36 | kergoth | treke: yeah. big security issue.. someone can.. make my touchscreen events wrong! dear god no |
| 23:12.38 | chouimat|tv | huh? a man lost 80lbs by playing DDR? |
| 23:13.23 | chouimat|tv | ok me need to go buy some food ... brb |
| 23:13.59 | treke | kergoth: I also need to start mounting cards as world writable |
| 23:14.31 | kergoth | treke: ah, so the user can write shit to the media? yeah.. hmm. |
| 23:15.50 | kergoth | you could use the user opt, so the user can mount it, and therefore write to it, but automount would be messed |
| 23:15.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:15.54 | chouimat|tv | ljp: or he will be in hell for the next 2 weeks |
| 23:16.09 | kergoth | or both |
| 23:16.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:16.52 | chouimat|tv | i hate that when I don't know what to eat when I'm hungry |
| 23:17.04 | kergoth | pick something at random |
| 23:17.08 | treke | kergoth: its a toughy. Was going to set the umask on the mounted fs to 000 ( which i *think* would be overriden by the users umask later |
| 23:17.32 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: I need to go to the grocery store .... bah! will decide there |
| 23:17.42 | kergoth | treke: could use a group for the medias to control access instead of world writable, but is it worth it? |
| 23:18.32 | treke | problem is, how do we handle ext2 partitions. |
| 23:19.15 | kergoth | the mount dir would really need g+s |
| 23:19.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:22.45 | treke | the problem there is that the user shouldnt always have write access to everything on the device |
| 23:23.13 | treke | or should they? |
| 23:23.31 | ljp | xmms.org |
| 23:23.33 | kergoth | good question. policy decision |
| 23:23.36 | treke | dont look |
| 23:23.40 | treke | its evil |
| 23:24.23 | treke | on one hand it makes sense to me that the user should be able to just write to it, but on the other, the user shouldnt be able to just trash apps installed to SD. that's the one of the main reasons behind the nonroot account |
| 23:25.16 | kergoth | well, apps installed to sd will be installed as root. |
| 23:25.27 | kergoth | if its ext2, the fact htat they have write access in general is irrelevent |
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| 23:26.32 | treke | I was thinking that if you mounted it setuid group a user in the card group would be able to write to anything on the card. Would that not be the case? |
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| 23:27.36 | kergoth | try it. g+s a dir, make some files, take a look at the default perms |
| 23:27.48 | kergoth | the group of the new files is that group, but your umask decides whether that group can write to the file. |
| 23:28.05 | kergoth | vfat its different, as the user/group/mask set on the mount controls global access to the card |
| 23:28.39 | treke | I've used g+s on a dir, wasnt sure if behaviour was different when mounting an fs |
| 23:29.02 | kergoth | hmm, good question. i doubt it, but who knows |
| 23:29.09 | kergoth | we'll have to fuck with it, try it |
| 23:29.13 | treke | yeah |
| 23:29.50 | treke | question is, how does sharp do it? |
| 23:29.55 | kergoth | wonder how the perms would affect a umsdos filesystem sitting on vfat |
| 23:30.01 | kergoth | good question, i'll reflash with sharp again |
| 23:30.30 | treke | not that sharp is usually a good example |
| 23:34.50 | kergoth | win 24 |
| 23:34.51 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:36.04 | ljp | 24? |
| 23:36.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:36.19 | kergoth | too damn many channels |
| 23:36.33 | ljp | :) |
| 23:38.49 | kergoth | damnit |
| 23:38.53 | kergoth | i need a car charger for my cell |
| 23:38.56 | kergoth | keeps dying |
| 23:40.37 | kergoth | 4 new messages |
| 23:40.38 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 23:45.43 | chou|grocery | hehe 5CAD for 24 ramen soups |
| 23:46.04 | kergoth`bbl | chou|grocery: my parents think they're funny, they bought me 50 ramens for my birthday along with cash |
| 23:46.06 | ljp | slacker! |
| 23:46.07 | kergoth`bbl | chou|grocery: hehe |
| 23:46.31 | kergoth`bbl | damn right! |
| 23:46.33 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 23:46.33 | chou|grocery | kergoth`bbl: you will have something too eat iin Dallas :) |
| 23:46.37 | kergoth`bbl | chou|grocery: hehe |
| 23:46.40 | kergoth`bbl | k im out |
| 23:47.38 | chouimat | and the lady at the cash register need to enter them 1 by 1 :) |
| 23:48.27 | bipolar | shit... I can't find the qte nethack source |
| 23:51.12 | kergoth`bbl | bipolar: opie-bigapps cvs repos :P |
| 23:51.18 | kergoth`bbl | k i'm *actually* leaving now |
| 23:51.19 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 23:51.37 | chouimat|food | bye kergoth`bbl and I will enjoy that nice cider while you're gone :) |
| 23:54.02 | treke | kergoth`bbl: leaving early? |
| 23:54.04 | treke | bad boy |
