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| 00:29.54 | absentia2 | no |
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| 00:30.37 | ljp | thi splace dies when kergoth is not here |
| 00:30.54 | mickeyl | any idea where he is? |
| 00:31.37 | ljp | ya |
| 00:31.49 | ljp | interviewing for a dev job in Dallas |
| 00:31.49 | mickeyl | -v |
| 00:31.56 | mickeyl | oh sounds good |
| 00:32.05 | ljp | ya, with Tim Riker |
| 00:32.09 | mickeyl | coool! |
| 00:32.16 | ljp | I fly there tomorrow |
| 00:32.19 | mickeyl | how 'bout you? |
| 00:32.20 | mickeyl | ah ok |
| 00:32.24 | absentia2 | who is tim riker ? |
| 00:32.26 | mickeyl | greet him please |
| 00:32.27 | chouimat|tv | hey ljp |
| 00:32.36 | ljp | even though I have a job offer on the table |
| 00:32.42 | ljp | from TT |
| 00:32.46 | ljp | hey choui |
| 00:33.08 | absentia2 | tt? |
| 00:33.11 | chouimat|tv | brb tv |
| 00:33.27 | ljp | trolltech |
| 00:33.59 | ljp | I'd much rather be in brisbane than dallas |
| 00:35.10 | ljp | i'm hungry |
| 00:35.31 | kenb | :) |
| 00:35.41 | kenb | dallas is *hot* during the summer. |
| 00:35.54 | absentia2 | yup |
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| 00:36.04 | kenb | Plus you'd be in the USSA... |
| 00:36.22 | Speedy2 | Yo all |
| 00:37.19 | ljp | and the beach is very far away from dallas |
| 00:37.29 | ljp | hey speedy |
| 00:37.31 | Speedy2 | Don't rub it in |
| 00:37.47 | Speedy2 | Well there is Galveston beach but that's a long drive. |
| 00:37.57 | absentia2 | blah |
| 00:43.35 | chouimat|tv | ljp: tim got my resume and he's passing it around |
| 00:44.21 | ljp | great, I wish ya luck |
| 00:44.55 | chouimat|tv | ljp: he asked mee if I was willing to move there ... so I told him I got nothing to keep me here so ... |
| 00:45.08 | ljp | :), he asked everyone that |
| 00:45.59 | chouimat|tv | ljp: hehe .... and I will ask him to give me enought time if I get aan interview ... to buy plane ticket at a reasonable price ... |
| 00:47.02 | ljp | they may fly you |
| 00:47.46 | chouimat|tv | ljp: I hope |
| 00:48.51 | ljp | they did me, and I am sure others |
| 00:52.02 | drw | ljp: is that for handheld development? |
| 00:52.36 | ljp | yes |
| 00:52.46 | chouimat|tv | ljp: they pay you the plane? |
| 00:52.49 | treke_ | if he tells you, he will have to kill you |
| 00:52.56 | chouimat|tv | hey treke_ |
| 00:53.01 | treke_ | chouimat|tv: no, they pay in US dollers |
| 00:53.06 | ljp | they setup the ticket/motel/car |
| 00:53.18 | chouimat|tv | ljp: ok nice |
| 00:53.19 | ljp | I just show up |
| 00:54.19 | chouimat | ok back in 15 minutes no more beers in here |
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| 01:16.02 | chouimat | back |
| 01:24.44 | chouimat | ljp: ping |
| 01:25.17 | ljp | bash: ping: command not found |
| 01:35.01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:35.05 | TheMasterMind1 | i killed my zaurus |
| 01:35.10 | TheMasterMind1 | busybox install failed |
| 01:35.12 | TheMasterMind1 | all symlinks are gone |
| 01:35.27 | ivan | better get used to it |
| 01:35.41 | fishy | lol |
| 01:35.48 | fishy | thats what reformat is for ;) |
| 01:46.57 | Dessimat0r | gn |
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| 02:20.29 | andersee | TheMasterMind1: is the busybox binaru still there? |
| 02:21.16 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:21.26 | TheMasterMind1 | just all the symlinks dissapeared |
| 02:22.03 | absentia2 | I installed some package |
| 02:22.08 | absentia2 | I tend to get it by some depend or by accident |
| 02:22.10 | absentia2 | that kills opie |
| 02:22.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ?? |
| 02:22.16 | absentia2 | and I can't ever get it to restart |
| 02:22.25 | absentia2 | I've tried to re-install libqpe1 |
| 02:22.28 | absentia2 | and task-opie |
| 02:22.46 | sonix` | teh kergoth is back? |
| 02:23.18 | absentia2 | haven't seen'm |
| 02:23.36 | ljp | he's not coming back |
| 02:23.38 | masticator | sup dudes. |
| 02:23.48 | masticator | lol, he's coming back |
| 02:24.00 | ljp | nope. |
| 02:24.05 | masticator | hahahah |
| 02:24.11 | masticator | well, he has to move his stuff first |
| 02:24.13 | treke_ | hes just out getting some texas honies still |
| 02:24.28 | ljp | doing some shit kicking? |
| 02:24.36 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:24.37 | masticator | I'd rather have the time to hire kergoth before TI does |
| 02:24.49 | masticator | but I wont have my ass together for at least another month probably |
| 02:25.18 | ljp | we'll all be gone by then |
| 02:25.25 | masticator | lol |
| 02:25.33 | masticator | yes, all of you will end up at TI |
| 02:25.44 | ljp | perhaps |
| 02:25.46 | masticator | they are the borg |
| 02:25.47 | ljp | or TT |
| 02:25.51 | masticator | they are assimilating everyone |
| 02:25.55 | ljp | hahaha |
| 02:25.56 | kenb | who is TI/TT ? |
| 02:26.07 | ljp | texas instruments, and trolltech |
| 02:26.08 | treke_ | Texas Instruments and TrollTech |
| 02:26.10 | masticator | ljp: you gonna take the job at TT? |
| 02:26.16 | kenb | what's TI want with linux? |
| 02:26.24 | ljp | probably, unless TI offers me something really sweet |
| 02:26.25 | masticator | kenb: web pads. |
| 02:26.25 | treke_ | you've got two guesses |
| 02:26.34 | kenb | ah. |
| 02:26.43 | masticator | ljp: you are going down to visit as well? |
| 02:26.53 | ljp | TI just wants to soop up opie-calculator |
| 02:27.02 | ljp | yes, I fly tomorrow |
| 02:27.03 | kenb | heh |
| 02:27.17 | kenb | Get me a job working from home here in Canada :) |
| 02:27.18 | masticator | I was not invited :( |
| 02:27.24 | masticator | but then again, I dont code |
| 02:27.30 | ljp | see what happens, but I am fairly sure brisbane is calling my name |
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| 02:28.17 | masticator | but once my evil plan is in place, all the Qt coders will belong to us |
| 02:28.21 | masticator | muhahahahaha |
| 02:28.40 | treke_ | masticator: reinstituting slavery? |
| 02:29.01 | masticator | no, I'll probably have to get them dental plans. |
| 02:29.15 | treke_ | thats no good |
| 02:29.28 | absentia2 | still no go |
| 02:29.29 | sonix` | since conics.net is in Japan, how long would it take for a C700 to get to the US? |
| 02:29.45 | masticator | about 3000 years at light speed. |
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| 02:29.52 | ljp | depends on how its shipped. by baot, probably a few months |
| 02:29.56 | ljp | boat |
| 02:30.05 | sonix` | I dont think they row from Japan... |
| 02:30.35 | sonix` | damnit why wouldnt sharp release a newer model with pxa-255?? |
| 02:30.42 | ljp | I know someone that shipped something fro mUS to Au, surface.. and it took 6 months |
| 02:30.46 | masticator | sonix`: its under development. |
| 02:32.53 | sonix` | masticator you think I should trade in my Z5600 for a C700 or just return it? |
| 02:33.50 | sonix` | http://kaii.info/ |
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| 02:35.32 | masticator | sonix`: it will be some time before a new model is released. |
| 02:35.36 | masticator | IF it happens at all. |
| 02:36.21 | sonix` | so go for c700? |
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| 02:37.34 | sonix` | masticator do you have a c700 and a 5600? |
| 02:38.20 | ljp | au better have good rum! |
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| 02:39.45 | OctaneZ | hmmmmmmmm, "network" has seem to have forgotten all of my connections... any ideas? |
| 02:43.00 | cyn_ | create 'em |
| 02:43.19 | pHluid | Don't turn your back on 'Network' again. |
| 02:46.30 | sonix` | *** ROOMMATE PREFERENCES *** |
| 02:46.30 | sonix` | Will you usually go to bed before midnight on weeknights? NO Will others consider you "neat and tidy"? NO Will your room be your primary place to study? NO Do you object to a roomate who smokes? YES Do you smoke? NO |
| 02:46.36 | sonix` | NO! BITCH! |
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| 02:47.11 | OctaneZ | cyn_: trying to use the GUI Network tool: "Add" says "Sorry \ Nothing to Add." |
| 02:49.47 | OctaneZ | can someone send me their /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 02:53.00 | jeanpaul | OctaneZ: what's broken about yours? |
| 02:53.10 | OctaneZ | jeanpaul: it's gone :-D |
| 02:53.41 | OctaneZ | jeanpaul: not sure which package hosed it |
| 02:54.02 | OctaneZ | and can't find a CVS reposiory that's current to grab ti from |
| 02:55.08 | jeanpaul | *nod* on its way |
| 02:56.34 | OctaneZ | jeanpaul: thanks for trying, think the firewall is screwed up again |
| 02:56.42 | treke | scanline: man the picogui site sucks bad |
| 02:56.45 | treke | scanline: needs more contrast |
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| 02:59.10 | scanline | treke: black text on a white background isn't contrasting enough? |
| 02:59.38 | treke | it was light blue text or something |
| 02:59.50 | scanline | eh.. it's not supposed to be |
| 03:00.02 | scanline | maybe you're using a browser that interprets CSS2 style sheets incorrectly |
| 03:00.05 | treke | the links were a palish blue |
| 03:00.18 | scanline | oh. the links are blue, yes |
| 03:00.26 | scanline | but you're the first person I've encountered who didn't like it :) |
| 03:00.38 | treke | pretty, but hard on the eyes |
| 03:00.46 | scanline | feel free to log in and change the site's color scheme if you don't like it |
| 03:00.59 | pHluid | Um |
| 03:00.59 | treke | hehe. I got what i want :) |
| 03:01.03 | pHluid | It's pretty damn contrasting to me |
| 03:01.30 | treke | dunno. the links just struck me as pale and hard to read |
| 03:01.38 | treke | which usually doesnt happen to me, so it seemed odd |
| 03:02.36 | treke | like I said. got the source I was after. thats good enough for me |
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| 03:03.37 | pHluid | I'll have to take a look at PicoGUI sometime |
| 03:03.44 | scanline | I trust subversion a lot more than CVS |
| 03:03.45 | pHluid | It looks fairly sexy, just app support is lacking atm. :\ |
| 03:03.58 | scanline | subversion makes it easy to back up and restore the repository, and it doesn't have the locking problems that CVS does |
| 03:04.22 | treke | scanline: in the two weeks i've used it, I've had to dbrecover the database at least 5 times |
| 03:04.32 | treke | that frightens me |
| 03:04.37 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:05.06 | scanline | what distro were you using for that? |
| 03:05.18 | treke | think it is redhat 7.3. I'd have to check |
| 03:06.08 | scanline | I had been running subversion for a while on my own server, which has lots of disk and CPU but will be stuck behind a cable modem for a while |
| 03:06.39 | scanline | so I got an offer for free hosting, but it's a pain trying to set the server up without root access |
| 03:08.16 | treke | oh well. its no bitkeeper, but at least it beats cvs in pretty much every other area |
| 03:08.26 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:08.32 | scanline | if only bitkeeper's license didn't suck |
| 03:09.58 | OctaneZ | jeanpaul: thanks for your help! |
| 03:13.23 | jeanpaul | np :) |
| 03:14.35 | treke | ugh. dasher is nasty |
| 03:17.38 | treke | it actuall seems to work, but it ui is just scary |
| 03:18.11 | absentia2 | hmmm |
| 03:18.17 | absentia2 | when you reflash with an install into sd |
| 03:18.28 | absentia2 | the aqpkg seems to think that packages are installed |
| 03:18.52 | absentia2 | although they do not show up in opie, etc. |
| 03:19.07 | absentia2 | I'm not sure how to get a list of what the system THINKs is installed onto sd |
| 03:19.11 | absentia2 | to ipkg-link, etc. |
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| 03:20.19 | mithro | anyone have a ipk creator for netfront? |
| 03:20.29 | absentia2 | no |
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| 03:28.38 | OctaneZ | sorry to be inane, bt has anyone else had trouble with email, I keep getting "error while loading shared libraries: libmail.so.1", thought it is in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/ |
| 03:33.36 | OctaneZ | opieplayer also reports not finding libraries (libxine in this case) |
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| 04:11.54 | chouimat | ljp: ping? |
| 04:25.10 | bipolar | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 04:25.10 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2d 54m 8s ago, saying: 'itll go how it goes'. |
| 04:25.17 | bipolar | eek |
| 04:25.21 | bipolar | oh well |
| 04:28.46 | bipolar_ZzZzZz | haha |
| 04:29.18 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: what have you been up to? |
| 04:29.51 | kergoth`bbl | bipolar: interview at ti, just got home |
| 04:30.28 | kergoth`bbl | god i hate new shoes |
| 04:30.30 | kergoth`bbl | my feet hurt like hell |
| 04:30.35 | treke | kergoth`bbl: welcome back |
| 04:30.43 | treke | how did go? |
| 04:30.56 | kergoth`bbl | pretty well |
| 04:31.00 | kergoth`bbl | 5 interviews, 45 mins a pop |
| 04:31.03 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 04:31.15 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: cool. |
| 04:32.00 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: I updated the unstable feed yesterday |
| 04:32.32 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: I made a gcc3 build too, but I could not get make image to work. libtool is busted to hell. |
| 04:32.43 | bipolar | I did not have time to try today though. :p |
| 04:32.47 | kergoth`bbl | libtool is usually busted to hell |
| 04:33.46 | ||ugh | Hey kergoth, been a while! Did I see you were looking for work? |
| 04:34.11 | kergoth`bbl | i've been looking for work ever since being hired by digi. lets just say tech support isnt my preferred vocation |
| 04:34.15 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 04:34.23 | chouimat | hey kergoth`bbl so the interview? |
| 04:35.08 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: I apply too |
| 04:37.22 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: did they paid for the trip? |
| 04:37.31 | kergoth`bbl | yes, they covered it |
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| 04:37.43 | kergoth`bbl | the interview went pretty well I think, but they would know better than I |
| 04:37.54 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: accept dcc? |
| 04:37.55 | prpplague | kergoth`bbl: do tell |
| 04:38.09 | kergoth`bbl | chouimat: you know me, i never have it set up so i can receive dccs |
| 04:38.19 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 04:38.27 | chouimat | kergoth: addy ? |
| 04:38.45 | prpplague | kergoth: i want all the details bastard |
| 04:38.53 | kergoth | chouimat: email? the usual. kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 04:39.47 | bipolar | ok |
| 04:39.48 | kergoth | prpplague: 5 interviews, 45 mins a piece |
| 04:39.53 | bipolar | time for sleep |
| 04:39.56 | prpplague | kergoth: if you don't get that job, i will personally drive up there and beat you with an epcx card |
| 04:40.06 | chouimat | kergoth: check email -> that the one I sent to ti |
| 04:40.10 | ||ugh | FYI there are other targets now for OE, the Filewaler and the new unknown machine from j-palm. |
| 04:42.11 | prpplague | kergoth: you staying in dallas tonight? |
| 04:42.19 | kergoth | nah i'm home now |
| 04:42.21 | kergoth | brb, soda |
| 04:42.59 | kergoth | k |
| 04:43.00 | prpplague | kergoth: why didn't you stay? sieve and i would have driven up and should you the town? |
| 04:43.12 | prpplague | s/should/showd |
| 04:43.44 | kergoth | prpplague: ti covered the flight, and i forgot to mention it :) |
| 04:43.57 | prpplague | kergoth: ya ya |
| 04:44.16 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, is that because i applied for the same job? lol |
| 04:44.45 | chouimat | kergoth: how much for the tickets? |
| 04:44.55 | kergoth | chouimat: dunno |
| 04:46.16 | chouimat | kergoth: I send my resume to tim last night .. I'm praying :-P (pretty good for an atheist :-P) |
| 04:49.09 | chouimat | kergoth: ljjp is friday |
| 04:49.17 | kergoth | cool |
| 04:49.33 | chouimat | kergoth: and I donn't know for me ;-P |
| 04:56.27 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 04:56.32 | kergoth | chouimat: pong |
| 04:56.40 | chouimat | kergoth: received my email? |
| 05:00.17 | kergoth | jeeze openzaurus-users has a lot of traffic nowadays |
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| 05:03.51 | ||ugh | kergoth, I ended up never reading the freeswan-uesrs list, I would never get ANY work done if I did. |
| 05:04.23 | kergoth | ||ugh: thats pretty much the attitude i'm going to have to take as well. let the users support one another. |
| 05:04.34 | kergoth | just not enough time |
| 05:04.50 | ||ugh | Yep, all this software has to live on it's own in the long run in any case. |
| 05:06.42 | ||ugh | FYI, I tried to recive a beam of a single name/emailaddr from a Palm and it totaly nuked OPIE right down to a login prompt on the Z (3.2!). Lots todo still... |
| 05:08.44 | kergoth | hah. fun. never played wtih beaming much myself |
| 05:09.30 | ||ugh | I once beamed in a HUGE phone book from a GSM phone, but maybe that was RZ and not OZ. |
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| 05:27.27 | Marsupilami23 | Is opie-ftp a server or a client |
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| 05:31.13 | wParam | hey, should there be any reason why I would not be able to mount the oz initrd.bin through a loopback device? |
| 05:31.39 | kergoth | yes, it isnt a filesystem that is happy on a block device. |
| 05:31.47 | kergoth | its jffs2, which runs on an mtd device |
| 05:31.56 | kergoth | you can load mtdram, which is mtd on a ramdisk, and dd the image onto it |
| 05:32.01 | kergoth | and then mount that. |
| 05:32.16 | wParam | aah. ok. |
| 05:35.00 | chouimat|zzzz | night |
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| 08:28.24 | wParam | is there some reason the tar in OZ won't accept the --exclude option? |
| 08:32.06 | Twiun | isn't the tar in OZ the busybox tar? |
| 08:32.17 | mithro | it is i belive |
| 08:32.19 | Twiun | could be that option is either not compiled in or not available |
| 08:32.47 | mithro | how does one change the oz background? |
| 08:32.59 | Twiun | through the launcher app I believe |
| 08:33.02 | wParam | it's listed in the help output for it. oh well. thank god the -X option works |
| 08:33.44 | mithro | anyone know hot go make logread go into follow mode? |
| 08:34.28 | Twiun | haven't had the need to use logread all that much, so no - doesn't it have any help output? |
| 08:35.07 | mithro | no |
| 08:35.20 | mithro | logread -h just puts out the standard busybox info.. |
| 08:37.13 | mithro | is there like a sound test program for the zaurus? |
| 08:42.00 | Twiun | mithro: not unless you count the mp3 and video players... |
| 08:42.08 | Twiun | mithro: why? wanted to test the buzzer dsp device? |
| 08:42.15 | mithro | yeah |
| 08:42.23 | mithro | and microphone/headphones |
| 08:43.32 | Twiun | there's a recorder app for the Z - and I hope it can play back the clips :) |
| 08:43.36 | Twiun | as for the buzzer... |
| 08:43.42 | Twiun | the driver needs more work :) |
| 08:43.51 | Twiun | don't even think about playing an mp3 on it |
| 08:51.19 | Twiun | It's not hopeless though :) |
| 08:55.13 | wParam | what are the chances that the volume controller from opie will work in the sharp rom? (assuming I've got the sound modules installed properly) |
| 08:56.49 | Twiun | your guess is as good as mine... |
| 08:56.58 | Twiun | give it a try :) |
| 08:57.21 | wParam | yep. as soon as it finishes reflashing the old rom back |
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| 11:11.32 | Twiun | lesse if that now compiles |
| 11:13.46 | mickeyl | what was wrong with it? |
| 11:15.36 | Twiun | it didn't match the file it was patching |
| 11:15.44 | Twiun | ;-) |
| 11:16.09 | Twiun | not a big change, I'll push in a few mins |
| 11:16.18 | mickeyl | k |
| 11:16.35 | mickeyl | buildroot doesn't build anyway at the moment due to libtool 1.5 |
| 11:17.12 | Twiun | ah |
| 11:17.23 | Twiun | does that cause the no rule to maks X errors? |
| 11:17.30 | Twiun | s/maks/make/ |
| 11:17.40 | mickeyl | no idea 'bout X |
| 11:17.51 | mickeyl | but it causes a bunch of libraries not to be built |
| 11:17.57 | Twiun | I meant X as in 'generic thing here' |
| 11:18.01 | mickeyl | freetype, sqlite, jpeg |
| 11:18.02 | mickeyl | etc |
| 11:18.06 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 11:18.15 | Twiun | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/twiun/pristine/buildroot-oz/build/opie' |
| 11:18.15 | Twiun | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/twiun/pristine/buildroot-oz/build/opie/scripts/subst'. Stop. |
| 11:18.22 | mickeyl | d'oh! never seen that |
| 11:18.24 | Twiun | ^^ this is stopping the opie build now |
| 11:18.49 | Twiun | as the path suggests, this is a pristine buildroot pull :) |
| 11:19.23 | mickeyl | what does pristine means? shiny brand new? |
| 11:19.35 | Twiun | and untouched ;-) |
| 11:19.40 | mickeyl | ahok :-D |
| 11:19.57 | Twiun | but yeah, I was trying to resolve problems in my other buildroot |
| 11:20.07 | Twiun | so I symlinked sources and pulled |
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| 11:21.16 | Smokie | who sets the route to the net 192.168.0.0 on startup of usbd0 ? Where can i uncomment it ? |
| 11:21.27 | mickeyl | hmm... check hotplug directory |
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| 11:23.02 | mickeyl | but then again... this is done by the kernel when you set 192.168.bla.bla as IP for usbd0 |
| 11:23.08 | mickeyl | the first route is set implizit |
| 11:23.12 | mickeyl | implicitly even |
| 11:25.58 | Smokie | so i need to del it in a script |
| 11:26.46 | mickeyl | if you don't want that yeah. but why would you? do you want a hostroute? |
| 11:27.35 | Smokie | i`ll connect the Z to my host and NAT to internet. So all ip must addressed to the gateway and not to the net |
| 11:28.54 | mickeyl | routes don't interfere with addressing |
| 11:29.22 | mickeyl | just set a default route to your gateway and you should be set |
| 11:29.54 | mickeyl | good idea |
| 11:30.17 | mickeyl | doxygen experts here? |
| 11:30.30 | ljp | zzzecke knows some of that |
| 11:30.39 | ljp | kust zecke |
| 11:30.42 | mickeyl | zecke_: ping |
| 11:30.43 | ljp | blah |
| 11:30.50 | ljp | just |
| 11:31.45 | Twiun | mickeyl: so it's just a waiting game until libtool works with the buildroot? |
| 11:31.59 | mickeyl | Twiun: not necessarily |
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| 11:32.57 | Twiun | btw, is it at all possible to design a ui with qt3 designer and use it with opie? |
| 11:32.58 | mickeyl | Twiun: bk get an older rev of packages/libtool/Makefile and it works |
| 11:33.04 | mickeyl | Twiun: no |
| 11:33.33 | mickeyl | Twiun: only with lots of manual tweaking which contradicts the purpose of the qt designer :-D |
| 11:33.48 | Twiun | hopefully I haven't made clean with the buildroot qt2 for X :-) |
| 11:35.39 | Twiun | mickeyl: and I tell you, after using the Java layouts (gridbaglayout), qt's are really getting on my nerves ;) |
| 11:36.20 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 11:39.09 | ljp | ibot: logs |
| 11:39.14 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 11:42.18 | steini-57 | Hi! I just got a Zaurus and want to start to write programs for it. I work on linux with KDE. Where should I start? ;-) |
| 11:42.41 | ljp | http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 11:43.16 | steini-57 | Looks good! |
| 11:43.35 | Raptor | is there any advantage if i use jffs2 instead of ext2 on my sd card? |
| 11:43.46 | kenb | the journal :) |
| 11:43.54 | Raptor | and the perfomance? |
| 11:43.56 | mickeyl | Raptor: not possible is a major disadvantage :-D |
| 11:44.01 | ljp | jffs2 wont work on sd |
| 11:44.08 | kenb | ext3 is what you need |
| 11:44.15 | Raptor | ah k |
| 11:44.22 | zecke_ | mickeyl: pong |
| 11:44.25 | Raptor | so i should use the unstable feed? |
| 11:44.25 | mickeyl | yeah, and ext3fs bricks your SD pretty fast :-D |
| 11:44.27 | mickeyl | zecke: is there a keyword to automatically print "reimplemented for internal purposes - the API is not affected?" |
| 11:44.30 | kenb | But I don't think its in OZ 3.2 ? |
| 11:44.57 | zecke_ | mickeyl: you can define one in the Doxyfile. I use @reimp |
| 11:45.00 | Raptor | i've just flashed it again, so i could do anything right now |
| 11:45.08 | mickeyl | zecke_: ok, thanks |
| 11:45.27 | mickeyl | zecke_: i thought i read that there was a predefined one, but maybe i dreamed that one |
| 11:45.38 | Raptor | is there any disadvantage on using the unstable feed? |
| 11:45.44 | zecke_ | mickeyl: line 234 in Doxyfile_libopie for example |
| 11:45.46 | mickeyl | Raptor: except it might not work, no. |
| 11:45.51 | zecke_ | mickeyl: you can define so called aliases |
| 11:45.58 | Raptor | hm, that happens for the stable feed too ;) |
| 11:46.00 | mickeyl | zecke_: ah yeah |
| 11:46.04 | mickeyl | Raptor: agreed ;) |
| 11:46.30 | Smokie | mickeyl: back. only the default route to the gw doesn´t work, cause the host need to bridge the taffic to my network than. |
| 11:46.34 | steini-57 | ljp: thank you! The link is just what I needed! |
| 11:46.55 | mickeyl | zecke_: any recommendation about using QStringList over QStrList ? |
| 11:47.00 | mickeyl | or vice versa? |
| 11:47.08 | ljp | steini-57: :) |
| 11:47.32 | mickeyl | Smokie: hmm... well, that works with iptables NAT here. |
| 11:47.35 | Twiun | rofl... when a jobsite doesn't have the functionality to add an hourly wage... do you just put in the estimated yearly salary? |
| 11:48.10 | zecke_ | mickeyl: unicode or not? who manages the memory? deep copy + autoDelete or what? |
| 11:48.33 | zecke_ | mickeyl: generally I would say QValueList<QString> ( QStringList ) is either to handle and less error prone |
| 11:49.19 | mickeyl | zecke_: that's what I was thinking, also. good. |
| 11:50.09 | Raptor | hmmm, how can i get this thing faster when i put everything on SD? |
| 11:50.39 | Twiun | Raptor: add 'go-faster' stripes to your Z's case? |
| 11:51.10 | Raptor | Twiun: heh |
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| 12:01.47 | jespah | Is there any way to bind letters/keys to the application buttons on the sharp rom? |
| 12:03.48 | ljp | doubt it |
| 12:05.00 | jespah | Do you know what the application keys are "registered" as? Im trying to configure zgnuboy to use the app buttons, but i cant figure out any way of doing it :( |
| 12:05.17 | jespah | So far, i know that "esc" is the cancel button |
| 12:07.27 | Twiun | jespah: ok is 'enter' |
| 12:08.11 | Twiun | jespah: I believe the app buttons fire extended keypresses - but you should be able to find out by making a simply app that tells you what they fire |
| 12:11.02 | jespah | ok, thanks for the info |
| 12:11.02 | ljp | there's a doc at opie.us that has the keycodes for the sharp zaurus |
| 12:12.16 | ljp | and in opie cvs, there is an input methos called keyview in the development dir that will show you key presses |
| 12:12.51 | jespah | but will those opie things apply to the default sharp rom? |
| 12:13.32 | ljp | the doc is sharp z specific, |
| 12:15.00 | jespah | Could you please give me a direct link...i cant seem to find any links to "docs/faqs" at opie.us |
| 12:15.12 | jespah | perhaps im going blind :X :( |
| 12:16.43 | jespah | never mind, i think i found it *whew* |
| 12:16.58 | ljp | try in the devZone.php dir |
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| 12:41.09 | ljp | dumb ass-> http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2659535 |
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| 13:03.28 | benc | can someone help me, I am having difficulty with many of the opie programs, it reports that it can't find the libraries (the programs are installed on the SD Card, using OZ 3.2) |
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| 13:08.19 | Raptor | that the flash may wear off, is not an issue, isn't it? |
| 13:08.36 | benc | Raptor: ? |
| 13:09.28 | Raptor | well, there are flash ram's which don't exactly have much write cycles... |
| 13:17.19 | benc | true |
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| 13:18.10 | absentia | re |
| 13:18.35 | Raptor | so, do i have to worry about my zaurus? |
| 13:18.54 | absentia | re |
| 13:19.04 | absentia | dunno |
| 13:19.11 | absentia | someone said that flash gets like 10,000 writes... |
| 13:19.15 | absentia | I'm not worried about it |
| 13:19.15 | Piete | Raptor: what did you do to it? |
| 13:19.22 | Raptor | nothing |
| 13:19.35 | Piete | Oh, the ROM can take at least 100,000 writes, don't worry.. |
| 13:19.35 | Raptor | i was just wondering about the write cycles of the flash ram |
| 13:19.52 | Raptor | oki thx |
| 13:20.02 | Raptor | i'm gonna move /opt to SD then |
| 13:20.11 | Raptor | and let /root on the flash |
| 13:20.19 | Raptor | this helps perfomance alot it seems |
| 13:20.38 | Piete | Raptor: I don't know of anyone who ever wore out a flash card (just don't put a swap partition on it ;) |
| 13:20.47 | Raptor | hehe |
| 13:21.43 | Raptor | did anyone ever suceed in porting usbdnet to FreeBSD? |
| 13:22.02 | Piete | usbdnet is horrible |
| 13:22.19 | Raptor | maybe, but its better than nothing ;) |
| 13:22.37 | Piete | usbnet is much better (or so i've heard. I can't get 2.5 working, haven't really tried ;)) |
| 13:22.41 | Raptor | *BSD just uses the ugen driver |
| 13:23.05 | Raptor | no net driver yet :( |
| 13:23.24 | benc | Raptor: careful when you move /opt, I am having a bear of a time with library problems |
| 13:23.46 | Raptor | ive ran it yesterday and had no problems so far |
| 13:23.54 | Raptor | i installed task-opie-complete |
| 13:23.54 | benc | hmmmmm |
| 13:24.03 | absentia | I wish buildroot was ported to freebsd |
| 13:24.09 | Piete | http://piete.dyndns.org:8080/~abri/abridesktop7.png |
| 13:24.12 | absentia | it's tied to too many linuxisms... |
| 13:24.26 | Raptor | i would be happy to use the craddle with freebsd :) |
| 13:24.30 | benc | I am having trouble with email, and mediaplayer, neither can find their libraries, both were installed to SD |
| 13:24.39 | Raptor | oh |
| 13:24.39 | Piete | I wrote that system monitorish one.. its my first karamba theme.. |
| 13:24.52 | Raptor | mediaplayer didnt work for me also |
| 13:24.54 | absentia | hmm |
| 13:24.57 | absentia | I can't get to port 8080 |
| 13:25.11 | absentia | the biggiest issue I have is that if you install to sd |
| 13:25.18 | benc | Piete: pretty |
| 13:25.19 | absentia | and then flash, ... when the system comes back |
| 13:25.26 | absentia | the aqpkg thinks the packages are installed |
| 13:25.29 | Raptor | @Piete: thats looking nice! |
| 13:25.30 | absentia | but, they're not avaialble. |
| 13:25.30 | absentia | etc. |
| 13:25.44 | benc | hmmm |
| 13:25.53 | absentia | so, you either have to remember a list of the package names you installed so you can ipkg-link them |
| 13:26.02 | absentia | or you have to somehow generate a list (and i don't nkow how to do this) |
| 13:26.11 | benc | absentia: are you running mail or mediaplayer off of sd? and what version are you using? (3.2?) |
| 13:26.13 | absentia | I flash on average 3-5 times a night. |
| 13:26.20 | absentia | I use oz 3.3.1 |
| 13:26.29 | absentia | with 4/29 image and 4/21 kernel |
| 13:26.29 | benc | eep! |
| 13:26.37 | Piete | benc Raptor; here is the previous incarnation of it, before I beautified the background image : http://piete.dyndns.org:8080/~abri/abridesktop6.png |
| 13:26.42 | benc | when did that come out? |
| 13:26.42 | absentia | the image doesn't have opie-keyboard or systemtime.... |
| 13:26.45 | absentia | so you have to install those right away. |
| 13:26.57 | absentia | piete: no way you can put that at a port 80 somewhere? |
| 13:27.01 | absentia | I'm behind a corp firew2all |
| 13:27.08 | absentia | benc: for c700 |
| 13:27.13 | benc | ah |
| 13:27.23 | absentia | openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700 |
| 13:27.25 | absentia | etc |
| 13:27.28 | Piete | absentia no, my ISP blocks port 80 :( |
| 13:27.33 | absentia | heheh |
| 13:27.41 | absentia | ok, we're fighting dueling firewalls. |
| 13:27.49 | absentia | ok, back to real work here. |
| 13:27.56 | Piete | absentia I'll put it on kde-look.. just a moment.. |
| 13:30.55 | absentia | ah |
| 13:30.55 | absentia | k |
| 13:31.07 | absentia | I think I would use OZ as my base os |
| 13:31.18 | absentia | 'cept no browser seems to come close to the performance of netfront |
| 13:35.58 | Raptor | ahh, that feels alot faster |
| 13:36.00 | Piete | absentia try this : http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=5958-1.png |
| 13:36.21 | Raptor | keeping /root on flash really improves the responsivness alot |
| 13:36.39 | absentia | rap? |
| 13:36.56 | Raptor | yes? |
| 13:37.21 | absentia | what is /root? |
| 13:37.26 | absentia | and why would it make interactive response faster? |
| 13:37.37 | absentia | what is in ti? how large is it ? |
| 13:37.41 | Piete | access time on flash is faster than on, say sd? |
| 13:37.43 | absentia | piete: what platform is that ? |
| 13:37.45 | Raptor | hm, well, the /root/Settings directory especially |
| 13:37.51 | Piete | absentia gentoo, x86 :) |
| 13:37.54 | absentia | ah |
| 13:38.04 | absentia | I use freebsd / kde xxx... 3.0? |
| 13:38.09 | absentia | well, if it's small |
| 13:38.14 | Raptor | hah! a brother in arms |
| 13:38.16 | absentia | why not make a small 4MB ramdisk |
| 13:38.35 | Raptor | i wouldn't like losing that dir on a crash |
| 13:38.37 | absentia | I mean, to me, freebsd just works. |
| 13:38.45 | absentia | rap: oh. |
| 13:38.47 | absentia | I see. |
| 13:39.21 | Raptor | yeah, freebsd rul3z da world %) |
| 13:39.54 | Raptor | @Piete: at least on my SD card, Flash is ALOT faster |
| 13:39.59 | ljp | uh huh |
| 13:40.44 | Piete | Raptor: well, I never really specifically compared the two |
| 13:40.46 | Piete | anyway.. |
| 13:42.20 | Raptor | @absentia: how can i install a ramdisk? |
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| 13:50.25 | absentia | rap: sorry, not sure... thre might be a program for it somewhere. |
| 13:50.44 | absentia | I'm still swimming inthe sea of most things not working on the zaurus, tec. |
| 13:51.07 | Raptor | hm :( |
| 13:52.23 | Raptor | can i just upgrade to unstable? |
| 13:53.03 | absentia | to me, there is not stable... |
| 13:53.06 | absentia | no testing |
| 13:53.17 | absentia | no unstable.. when I look at those feeds, all the programs are 100% the same. |
| 13:53.23 | absentia | and I don't know if any of them work. |
| 13:53.27 | Raptor | oh hm |
| 13:53.34 | absentia | I only use openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700 |
| 13:53.36 | absentia | and feed under there |
| 13:53.48 | absentia | I know when I had up the sharp rom, I found a qtswap or something. |
| 13:53.54 | Raptor | ohh, you've got the c700? |
| 13:53.55 | absentia | maybe ther's a qtramdisk |
| 13:54.00 | absentia | did you try www.killefiz.de? |
| 13:54.02 | absentia | ya |
| 13:54.09 | absentia | I love it |
| 13:54.16 | Raptor | niiice |
| 13:54.20 | absentia | it's just that the netfront browser is SO much better than konq |
| 13:54.33 | absentia | but it won't run under oz |
| 13:54.36 | absentia | so, I'm torn |
| 13:54.48 | absentia | plus, I tend to work on things a lot... so I can understand them |
| 13:54.49 | Raptor | i couldn't get even hold on a 5600 here |
| 13:54.55 | absentia | like last night, I had like 85% of all of the OZ programs loaded in |
| 13:54.58 | absentia | I loaded some new program |
| 13:55.00 | absentia | and opie went away |
| 13:55.11 | Raptor | lol |
| 13:55.12 | absentia | and all attempts to start opie failed. I tried for re-installing opie, libqpe1, etc.. nothing would allow it to start |
| 13:55.14 | absentia | so, I had to reflash |
| 13:55.29 | absentia | after reflashing, aqpkg claimed that I had all those programs installed -- even though they were not displaying in the opie, etc. |
| 13:55.35 | absentia | hence, I had to eraes most of my flash... |
| 13:55.39 | absentia | and reflash |
| 13:55.39 | absentia | etc. |
| 13:55.47 | Raptor | hehe |
| 13:55.48 | absentia | it's just not very friendly to banging. |
| 13:55.52 | Raptor | well good luck anyway |
| 13:56.02 | Raptor | ive got to go now |
| 13:56.06 | Raptor | cya! |
| 13:56.10 | absentia | so, each night, I start by wiping my sd/cf... and flashing oses.. and pounding on it until it breaks |
| 13:56.17 | absentia | like, the image that's up now for c700 oz... |
| 13:56.19 | absentia | doesn't have a keyboard |
| 13:56.21 | absentia | popup |
| 13:56.30 | absentia | and the keys don't work (ie: you couldn't get a /) ... etc. |
| 13:56.43 | absentia | and there's no system time, but when the system starts, it prompts yuo to set it. |
| 13:56.48 | absentia | little things ... that will be cleared up |
| 13:57.14 | absentia | what I really need to do, is bit the damn linux bullet.. and put up a vpc on my work laptop.. and put up an entire debian system, just so I can buildroot and make an image that works. |
| 13:57.31 | absentia | although, kergoth seems to be on hiatus now.. he's usually very responsive... and I'm certainly not in any hurry. |
| 13:57.58 | absentia | oh, and the relase that's up is done with gcc3 |
| 13:58.10 | absentia | so it's not compatible with the stable feeds for 5500.. .that use gcc2 |
| 13:58.11 | absentia | etc. |
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| 14:11.06 | chouimaat | morning |
| 14:11.22 | Piete | morning chouimaat |
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| 14:22.37 | benc | GAH! stupid libraries |
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| 14:51.38 | tzanger | is the qt-kismet package no longer around? I can't seem to find it anywhere |
| 14:53.18 | tzanger | nevermind |
| 14:53.20 | tzanger | it's just not on the feeds |
| 14:54.50 | bipolar | tzanger: qt-kismet hasn't been able to build for some time now. |
| 14:55.01 | bipolar | tzanger: at least in the buildroot |
| 14:55.05 | tzanger | hmm |
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| 14:57.20 | tzanger | I found the module |
| 14:57.29 | tzanger | I have to add /mnt/card/usr/bin to the path though |
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| 15:06.25 | bipolar | *sigh* |
| 15:06.45 | tzanger | what's wrong bipolar? |
| 15:07.08 | bipolar | tzanger: trying to get my gcc3 build finished. |
| 15:07.12 | bipolar | tzanger: it's goofy |
| 15:07.13 | tzanger | ahh |
| 15:07.35 | bipolar | I did so much editing, I think that something is perminantly fubared |
| 15:08.30 | tzanger | hmm waht was the command to force opie to rescan a mount for links so they come up in the tabs? I thoughtit was mount-link or something |
| 15:08.31 | bipolar | gcc3 code is actualy smaller then gcc2 code. |
| 15:08.36 | tzanger | it is? |
| 15:08.37 | tzanger | wow |
| 15:08.44 | bipolar | tzanger: ipkg-link |
| 15:08.49 | tzanger | sounds like they cut out a little too much for you :-) |
| 15:08.57 | benc | I am having trouble with email, and mediaplayer on OZ 3.2 running on an SL-5500, neither can find their libraries, both were installed to SD |
| 15:09.00 | bipolar | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 15:09.19 | bipolar | benc: what is SD formated as? |
| 15:09.30 | bipolar | benc: fat or ext2? |
| 15:09.42 | tzanger | bipolar: ext2, I already went though that debacle. :-) |
| 15:09.45 | bipolar | ahh |
| 15:09.59 | tzanger | I posted a FAQ entry too, I wonder if it got added |
| 15:10.05 | bipolar | thats usualy what happens. |
| 15:10.35 | bipolar | benc: do the libraries exist? |
| 15:10.38 | tzanger | hmm, kismet-qt didn't get added to any of the tabs, I wonder if I'm missing some |
| 15:10.56 | bipolar | tzanger: you'll need to restart opie to see them. |
| 15:11.03 | tzanger | oh :-) |
| 15:11.16 | bipolar | there is a qcop msg you can send too, but I forget it. |
| 15:11.28 | bipolar | easier to restart opie. :) |
| 15:11.39 | tzanger | when I get some more time I want to do some decent development ofr Z |
| 15:11.51 | tzanger | a reflasher for our products here, soem diagnostics, etc. |
| 15:12.09 | tzanger | I have to try and dig up that link for the Z I/O cables again though (the ones that don't obstruct the power jack |
| 15:12.45 | bipolar | I'm wondering if O/E should dump backwards compat in the main version, and just keep a version for B/C. gcc3 is just so much nicer. |
| 15:13.12 | bipolar | and qt/e v3 has more features too. :) |
| 15:14.05 | treke | mornin |
| 15:14.08 | bipolar | ibot: getting any? |
| 15:14.09 | | I get my bits polished every night by a cron job, bipolar |
| 15:14.12 | bipolar | heh |
| 15:14.30 | tzanger | hmm tuner can't open /dev/dsp, is there something I've forgotten to insmod or something? |
| 15:14.41 | benc | bipolar: I assume fat, as I never formatted it, the libraries Do exist |
| 15:14.43 | treke | bipolar: done a clean build latel? |
| 15:15.00 | benc | tzanger: didn't see any FAQ that mentioned it |
| 15:15.12 | bipolar | benc: what does 'mount' tell you? |
| 15:15.26 | bipolar | treke: the unstable feed was built monday night. |
| 15:15.29 | treke | bipolar: probably ought to have at least one full release cycle's worth the notice for something like that |
| 15:15.36 | treke | bipolar: ok. so its my tree thats fucked |
| 15:15.49 | bipolar | treke: mine too. :P |
| 15:16.11 | bipolar | libtool is botched somehow. Ipkg wouldn't build. konq-e and a host of others too. |
| 15:16.28 | treke | so you didnt do a clean build :) |
| 15:16.33 | tzanger | hmm |
| 15:16.37 | tzanger | libexpat1 is awol |
| 15:16.44 | treke | ibot oz buildroot |
| 15:16.48 | | well, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 15:16.51 | Twiun | treke: according to mickeyl, libtool in the current buildroot is hosed |
| 15:17.19 | treke | fun |
| 15:17.20 | benc | bipolar: it's vfat |
| 15:19.06 | bipolar | benc: thats why it's not seeing it's libs |
| 15:19.18 | bipolar | benc: reformat it ext2 and reinstall |
| 15:19.29 | bipolar | benc: you can link on a vfat FS |
| 15:19.35 | bipolar | s/can/can't |
| 15:19.41 | benc | doh |
| 15:19.54 | bipolar | it's a common thing |
| 15:20.03 | bipolar | SD come factory formated vfat |
| 15:20.07 | benc | that ought to suck, as everything (other than the zImage) got installed to the SD, do I need to remove the packages first |
| 15:20.15 | benc | oh well, live and learn |
| 15:20.26 | benc | we might want to add that to the install instructions though |
| 15:20.46 | benc | if I write up a diff for the install instructions can someone commit it? |
| 15:24.30 | bipolar | benc: well, i'm not sure if you have to rm the packages. |
| 15:24.49 | bipolar | I think ipkg keeps the list of packages installed to SD on the SD itself. |
| 15:25.34 | cyn_ | it doesn't keep a list at all does it |
| 15:25.45 | Twiun | cyn_: it does |
| 15:25.47 | cyn_ | you ipkg-link but need an up-to-date packages list from the feed |
| 15:25.53 | cyn_ | no? |
| 15:26.24 | Twiun | look in /mnt/cf/usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 15:26.33 | cyn_ | ill try /mnt/card/ :) |
| 15:26.35 | bipolar | benc: you might be safer backing up your data and reflashing. |
| 15:26.36 | Twiun | and card, ram and of course in the rootfs |
| 15:27.54 | Twiun | bipolar: whenever kergoth gets the green light for the SD module for it afaik |
| 15:29.49 | bipolar | heh... libqt2 is 1.2MB with gcc2 and 1.1 with gcc3 :) |
| 15:29.51 | benc | me thinks next time we will jsut leave the zImage and initrd.bin file on the CF card :) |
| 15:30.06 | prpplague | bipolar: i'm doing a fresh build right now, is there a problem? |
| 15:30.13 | benc | s/me/\/me |
| 15:30.16 | bipolar | benc: I have a 16MB CF card I use just for flaSHING |
| 15:30.28 | bipolar | stupid caps lock |
| 15:30.39 | benc | bipolar: only have one card, bought it specifically for the Zaurus |
| 15:30.39 | bipolar | I have fat fingers, methinks |
| 15:31.13 | bipolar | prpplague: last night libtool was so fucked up anything that needed it would not build |
| 15:31.34 | bipolar | prpplague: I'm starting a fresh tree now. I think I busted something |
| 15:31.47 | prpplague | bipolar: ahh, ok |
| 15:31.48 | bipolar | kergoth: WB |
| 15:32.01 | prpplague | kergoth: morning mr.ti |
| 15:34.24 | tzanger | hmm what package do people use to write/view email in? the today plugin for email never shows that any email is around |
| 15:34.41 | chouimat | hey kergoth prpplague |
| 15:35.13 | kergoth | tzanger: the plugin works for one of the 4 email apps, and only 1 |
| 15:36.18 | treke | now that kergoths back he can get to work :) |
| 15:36.36 | bipolar | kergoth: you're waiting on sharps word to release the new SD module, right? |
| 15:36.43 | absentia | re kergoth |
| 15:37.21 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah, and the 2.4.19 tree needs a couple finishing touches before i'd consider it ready for release. |
| 15:38.21 | treke | kergoth: what kind of timeframe are you thinking of for the next release? |
| 15:38.26 | bipolar | I bet that sharp is going to release a new 5500 rom with 2.4.18 and thats when they let you release it. :) |
| 15:38.32 | tzanger | kergoth: hmm ok, what email apps _work_ ?? |
| 15:38.36 | kergoth | bipolar: that wouldnt surprise me. |
| 15:38.40 | kergoth | tzanger: well, define work |
| 15:38.42 | kergoth | tzanger: ;) |
| 15:38.58 | tzanger | basic IMAP functionality -- read and delete really, write maybe |
| 15:39.14 | treke | IMAP? your probably SOL |
| 15:39.26 | kergoth | treke: it'll be a while yet, I want the next release to be very feature rich. a lot of things got postponed due to the imminent 3.2 release |
| 15:39.36 | treke | ok. then I'll stick with nonroot |
| 15:39.58 | tzanger | damn |
| 15:40.31 | kergoth | tzanger: afaik the only imap one is opie-mail2, and thats not maintained, or very usable. could check into tkcmail, dont know its feature set |
| 15:40.33 | bipolar | cyn_: are you Cyn on slashdot too? |
| 15:40.44 | tzanger | haha ok |
| 15:40.55 | tzanger | yeah I think opie-mail2 is what I"m using.. it never shows that email is there |
| 15:40.59 | kergoth | tzanger: Patches Welcome |
| 15:41.02 | kergoth | ;) |
| 15:41.15 | tzanger | kergoth: once I get some free time I will set up a dev environment |
| 15:41.40 | prpplague | kergoth: what was the final status on the mipsel toolchain you were working on? |
| 15:42.21 | kergoth | prpplague: final status? that a 3.x toolchain wasnt going to work well. every single damn one failed in a different way. tried 4 versions of glibc.. hehe. never had time to build a 2.9x one |
| 15:42.25 | kergoth | been busy |
| 15:42.39 | prpplague | kergoth: understood |
| 15:43.09 | prpplague | kergoth: well, i'm finally back working on x stuff for the z |
| 15:43.23 | kergoth | consult with mallum, since he's maintaining all of that atm |
| 15:43.36 | kergoth | speaking of which, i wonder if matchbox builds now in buildroot |
| 15:43.36 | prpplague | kergoth: right |
| 15:43.45 | prpplague | kergoth: i testing now |
| 15:43.48 | kergoth | cool |
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| 15:43.53 | noda | Moo! |
| 15:43.58 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 15:44.03 | Twiun | hey noda |
| 15:44.31 | prpplague | bipolar: ya libtool choked for me as well |
| 15:44.46 | kergoth | libtool problems? I defeated it a few days ago |
| 15:44.52 | kergoth | you want me to do a mrproper buildroot build? |
| 15:44.54 | noda | I'm writing my (hopefully) last write-up for school... |
| 15:45.02 | kergoth | noda: cool |
| 15:45.07 | Twiun | noda: they're chucking you out? |
| 15:45.49 | noda | 6 days of school left! (oh, plus one hour-and-a-half-long class today) |
| 15:46.15 | noda | This is a 10-page research project. Sounds painful, eh? Only, size 14 font, double-spaced :P |
| 15:46.25 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:46.35 | Twiun | I got told off for trying that once |
| 15:46.50 | noda | This is the requirement :) |
| 15:46.54 | noda | So stupid :) |
| 15:47.01 | bipolar | kergoth: thats what I'm doing now. (with gcc3 :) |
| 15:47.02 | kergoth | Twiun: the Package line *does* exist in opie cvs, opie-opiealarm.control |
| 15:47.17 | kergoth | Twiun: you altered the patch to successfully apply to an old opie tree |
| 15:47.18 | prpplague | kergoth: this seems to be looking for libtool 1.4.3 and it dl'd 1.5, is that the issue? |
| 15:47.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:47.26 | kergoth | prpplague: you need tomrproper libtool |
| 15:47.44 | kergoth | prpplague: make SUBDIRS=packages/libtool mrproper; make |
| 15:47.49 | kergoth | capture the output, email it |
| 15:48.00 | Twiun | kergoth: ok, revert it then |
| 15:48.06 | tzanger | Twiun: question for you -- you mentioned that the Swing jar was available off of sun's site -- I've been unsuccessful in finding it. Is it possible just to take the Swing jar from my local 1.4.1jdk? |
| 15:48.07 | prpplague | kergoth: ok |
| 15:48.15 | Twiun | tzanger: not a hope in hell |
| 15:48.25 | Twiun | tzanger: lemme get you the link for the 1.1 swing distro |
| 15:48.37 | tzanger | Twiun: hahaha ok |
| 15:49.11 | kergoth | i love bk |
| 15:49.20 | kergoth | bk cset -x+; bk push |
| 15:49.44 | kergoth | ta da, changeset reverted |
| 15:49.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:49.48 | Twiun | cool :) |
| 15:49.52 | Twiun | tzanger: http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/download.html#1.1 |
| 15:50.21 | Twiun | tzanger: also read http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp?section=Java+Extensions&subsection=Swing |
| 15:50.37 | tzanger | thank you |
| 15:50.52 | Twiun | np |
| 15:51.20 | prpplague | ibot: kergoth |
| 15:51.20 | | [kergoth] at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 15:51.37 | tzanger | I still have to put the original zaurus rom on here to get the jeode runtime, but I'd like to see if I can't get the sun one to work |
| 15:51.52 | noda | ibot: noda |
| 15:51.53 | | i heard noda is Adam Hooper, openzaurus.org webmaster <adamh@densi.com> |
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| 15:56.09 | prpplague | kergoth: log otw |
| 15:56.14 | kergoth | k |
| 15:56.24 | kergoth | probably a stupid bug. usually is |
| 15:57.44 | treke | ugh. hostap builds at work |
| 15:57.46 | treke | but not at home |
| 15:57.48 | Matthew_I | microsoft is funny, microsoft's solution to popups in IE, http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;308446 |
| 15:57.49 | treke | same makefile |
| 15:58.02 | kergoth | prpplague: aha, okay, I knew thatd come back to bite me |
| 15:58.09 | kergoth | prpplague: /me fixes |
| 15:58.19 | noda | ROFL |
| 15:58.52 | chouimat | wow that a great solution |
| 15:58.58 | Matthew_I | why does microsoft have to give everything a new name, it's not Active Scripting, it's javascript |
| 15:59.30 | treke | probably because it isnt scripting language specific |
| 15:59.43 | Matthew_I | true |
| 15:59.49 | Matthew_I | but, still |
| 15:59.56 | Twiun | Matthew_I: isn't is ecma script nowdays? |
| 15:59.57 | tzanger | hmm |
| 16:00.11 | Matthew_I | Twiun: yeah technically |
| 16:00.36 | Matthew_I | IE does not render transparency in png images correctly, everyother browser does |
| 16:00.36 | Twiun | Matthew_I: as long as it starts keeping javascript(kiddies) from #java I don't mind :) |
| 16:00.52 | Twiun | Matthew_I: yup, have to revert to gifs if you want transparency |
| 16:00.53 | bipolar | damn thing won't even write dc-r's |
| 16:00.58 | bipolar | cd-r's even |
| 16:00.59 | Matthew_I | that bites |
| 16:01.09 | tzanger | Twiun: according to your FAQ page says to compile the new one with java -classpath swingall.jar javax/swing/SwingUtilities.java but I'm getting a noclassdef error with it |
| 16:01.26 | bipolar | Matthew_I: IE6 doesn't? |
| 16:01.31 | tzanger | er I wrote that wrong but I copied/pasted from the page |
| 16:01.35 | tzanger | to actually compile it |
| 16:01.39 | treke | bipolar: nope |
| 16:01.42 | treke | bipolar: it doesnt |
| 16:01.46 | Matthew_I | im working on a webpage, and I had all these transparent png images, and I was like ok great opera, mozilla, konq, what the mess, why are my trans black? |
| 16:01.50 | Twiun | tzanger: You're going to need to paste some more output for me to be of help there :) |
| 16:01.50 | bipolar | SHIT |
| 16:01.57 | tzanger | Twiun: :-) |
| 16:02.02 | Twiun | tzanger: http://www.nomorepasting.com/ |
| 16:02.07 | Twiun | tzanger: or #flood |
| 16:02.13 | tzanger | well it's only two lines |
| 16:02.14 | bipolar | treke: i'll need to change all my pngs to gifs on my companies web site then. |
| 16:02.18 | Matthew_I | im writing microsoft, (or at least their newsgroup) a message |
| 16:02.18 | treke | hehe |
| 16:02.25 | tzanger | $ /opt/java/bin/java -classpath swingall.jar:. javax/swing/SwingUtilities.java |
| 16:02.25 | tzanger | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/swing/SwingUtilities/java |
| 16:02.29 | treke | <Microsoft> We dont care |
| 16:03.08 | Twiun | tzanger: woops |
| 16:03.13 | Twiun | tzanger: use javac |
| 16:03.21 | Twiun | tzanger: and I'll edit my webpage :) |
| 16:03.23 | tzanger | heh ok |
| 16:03.37 | tzanger | I am quite a java newbie |
| 16:04.00 | tzanger | it's complaining that it uses a depreciated API and to use -deprecation for details... should I worry about that? |
| 16:04.04 | Twiun | nope |
| 16:04.13 | Twiun | this _is_ an old version of jva after all |
| 16:04.17 | tzanger | ok no problem |
| 16:04.19 | Twiun | s/jva/java/ |
| 16:04.47 | bipolar | hehe |
| 16:05.06 | bipolar | google found a place that says IE6 for mac renders transparent png's fine. |
| 16:05.27 | Twiun | bipolar: Yeah, the mac stuff works better than x86 |
| 16:05.42 | treke | bipolar: yes but IE for windows doesnt |
| 16:05.50 | Twiun | bipolar: it's apparently not the only MS software that works better on a mac :) |
| 16:06.15 | tzanger | hmm it's not creating a jar file |
| 16:06.29 | tzanger | actually it doesn't matter |
| 16:06.30 | tzanger | duh |
| 16:07.04 | masticator | yo kergoth |
| 16:07.07 | masticator | how was the trip? |
| 16:07.26 | Matthew_I | is there a version of IE for unix? |
| 16:07.40 | treke | yes |
| 16:07.40 | noda | Matthew_I: Yes. |
| 16:07.46 | Matthew_I | noda: what version |
| 16:07.52 | treke | 5 |
| 16:07.52 | bipolar | Matthew_I: solaris and hp/ux, I think |
| 16:07.52 | noda | Matthew_I: 5 |
| 16:07.53 | noda | :) |
| 16:08.30 | Twiun | masticator: hey |
| 16:08.45 | prpplague | kergoth: is that the only place the libtool version is hardcoded? |
| 16:08.52 | noda | Woo! One page finished, 9 left :) |
| 16:09.37 | Twiun | noda: lol |
| 16:09.50 | benc | do I REALLY need to be plugged in to reflash? |
| 16:09.56 | benc | or is it just a good idea? |
| 16:10.00 | chouimat | yay! the first how to get a bigger penis spam this week </sarcasm> |
| 16:10.07 | Twiun | benc: it's a really good idea |
| 16:10.27 | Twiun | chouimat: I had one about compacting my septic tank... |
| 16:10.33 | benc | Twiun: no cable, and about to go sit in a 2 hour meeting :) |
| 16:10.45 | kergoth | prpplague: grep is your friend :) |
| 16:10.49 | benc | I figure if it doesn't work, I reflash as it doesn't touch the bootloader... right? |
| 16:11.00 | prpplague | chouimat: atleast its not for breast enlargement |
| 16:11.07 | bipolar | benc: just plug it in. :) |
| 16:11.08 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed, doing that now |
| 16:11.22 | Twiun | prpplague: no, those arrive on weekends |
| 16:11.41 | chouimat | prpplague: yup because if get some I will spend my time playing with .... |
| 16:11.56 | kergoth | prpplague: silly libtool madness workarounds.. |
| 16:12.14 | chouimat | lol |
| 16:12.34 | Twiun | rofl |
| 16:12.48 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i was reading your change logs about that |
| 16:13.33 | tzanger | Twiun: what was that -D line for cvm which told it to load additional jar files? |
| 16:13.40 | prpplague | bipolar: put some groove salad on to listen to while watching the build |
| 16:13.48 | Twiun | tzanger: -Djava.class.path= |
| 16:13.51 | prpplague | bipolar: very mesmerizing |
| 16:14.00 | Twiun | prpplague: somafm? |
| 16:14.05 | prpplague | Twiun: ya |
| 16:14.18 | Twiun | nice station |
| 16:14.23 | chouimat | prpplague: go back on that nice ukrenian site to have a better mental image ;-P |
| 16:14.23 | Twiun | cool coding music |
| 16:14.29 | tzanger | bah |
| 16:14.37 | prpplague | chouimat: later, not at work :) |
| 16:14.43 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:14.44 | tzanger | it still says it can't find swing, wtf |
| 16:15.25 | Matthew_I | gif images only support 256 colors |
| 16:15.30 | bipolar | http://www.petitiononline.com/msiepng/petition.html+ |
| 16:15.40 | bipolar | er... not the + sign |
| 16:15.41 | Matthew_I | bipolar: yeah I saw that |
| 16:15.43 | prpplague | kergoth: you wanna go to ukrainia with me a chouimat to get some mail order brides? |
| 16:15.46 | bipolar | stupid fat fingers |
| 16:16.01 | Matthew_I | why must microsoft make my life more difficult then it is? |
| 16:16.02 | Twiun | tzanger: where's this? on the Z or on your desktop? |
| 16:16.03 | bipolar | prpplague: how many are you going it get? |
| 16:16.07 | tzanger | on the Z |
| 16:16.15 | Twiun | tzanger: input! I *need* input! :) |
| 16:16.23 | prpplague | bipolar: i think they are cheaper by the dozen..... |
| 16:16.25 | chouimat | prpplague: I want the tall blonde and red hair |
| 16:16.31 | tzanger | heh |
| 16:16.34 | tzanger | /mnt/card/home/QtPalmtop/j2me/bin/cvm -Djava.class.path=/mnt/card/andrew -jar xwt.jar org.xwt.Main |
| 16:16.34 | tzanger | Detecting JVM... |
| 16:16.35 | tzanger | java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax.swing.FocusManager |
| 16:16.40 | bipolar | prpplague: yeah.... and they don't take up much space |
| 16:16.52 | Twiun | tzanger: classpath needs to have the jarfile named |
| 16:17.00 | tzanger | swingall.jar is in /mnt/card/andrew (my CWD for that line) -- I also linked swingall.jar to swing.jar |
| 16:17.00 | Twiun | tzanger: it's not like LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 16:17.02 | tzanger | tried that too Twiun |
| 16:17.18 | Matthew_I | this whole time I thought I was in #debian |
| 16:17.30 | Twiun | so you have cvm -Djava.class.path=/mnt/card/andrew/swingall.jar -jar xwt.jar org.xwt.Main |
| 16:17.43 | Twiun | hang on |
| 16:18.05 | Twiun | you can't specify a main class on the command line if you use -jar |
| 16:18.09 | Twiun | it'll get ignored |
| 16:18.18 | tzanger | ahhh |
| 16:18.22 | prpplague | Matthew_I: do use m$ stuff, i'll have been 5 years m$ free in july :) |
| 16:18.22 | tzanger | but why would it give me an _error_ ?? |
| 16:18.33 | prpplague | Matthew_I: s/do/don't |
| 16:18.56 | tzanger | ahh |
| 16:19.33 | tzanger | the app starts up but it's taking org.xwt.Main to be the path to my xwar to run... when I give it the proper path I get the same error about not finding javax.swing.FocusManager, although I can see in the src that that exists |
| 16:19.55 | Twiun | tzanger: sounds like it's ignoring the class.path stuff |
| 16:20.01 | tzanger | yeah I would agree :-/ |
| 16:20.09 | Matthew_I | prpplague: I don't use it either, (except for this sticker on my laptop) but the peeps who will be viewing this site I am doing do use it |
| 16:20.21 | prpplague | Matthew_I: ahh |
| 16:20.39 | Twiun | tzanger: damn. just realised I got rid of Sun's j2me off my Z |
| 16:20.46 | tzanger | hmm |
| 16:20.51 | prpplague | Matthew_I: the torture of the l-user |
| 16:21.08 | tzanger | heh |
| 16:21.13 | tzanger | ok I'll fark with this some more |
| 16:21.17 | tzanger | thanks for the help again Twiun |
| 16:21.24 | Twiun | tzanger: you could try merging xwt.jar and swingall.jar |
| 16:21.29 | Twiun | tzanger: np |
| 16:21.58 | tzanger | Twiun: unjar them both to the same dir and then try the jar uvf command to create one 'super jar' ? |
| 16:22.13 | Twiun | tzanger: yeah, but unjar the xwt one second |
| 16:22.15 | Matthew_I | prpplague: yeah |
| 16:22.22 | Twiun | tzanger: as you want to preserve its manifest |
| 16:22.34 | Matthew_I | prpplague: I got my cross platform javascript and layers working all nice, and now this |
| 16:22.42 | tzanger | hmm ok |
| 16:23.05 | Twiun | Matthew_I: get the javascript to choose between png and giff images |
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| 16:23.29 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
| 16:23.41 | Matthew_I | Twiun: hey I could do that |
| 16:23.42 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
| 16:23.50 | tzanger | lunch time |
| 16:24.01 | Matthew_I | Twiun: and it would not be all that hard |
| 16:24.04 | pb_ | Twiun: hey. |
| 16:24.06 | pb_ | kergoth: g'day |
| 16:24.29 | Twiun | Matthew_I: and then the page degrades gracefully when using IE on windows |
| 16:24.35 | Twiun | s/giff/gif/ |
| 16:25.59 | kergoth | prpplague: fyi, thanks to the ever helpful google, i'm building you a mipsel toolchain atm |
| 16:26.23 | prpplague | kergoth: fun |
| 16:26.43 | prpplague | kergoth: i've got most of the stuff together just not started yet |
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| 16:26.55 | prpplague | kergoth: i have 3 vr4181 based pda's to play with |
| 16:27.00 | Matthew_I | Twiun: kinda like the microsoft site does if you're not using ie |
| 16:27.11 | kergoth | prpplague: it was borking due to the fact that prelink isnt supported in mips |
| 16:27.14 | kergoth | seems to be building away now |
| 16:27.51 | Twiun | Matthew_I: I was thinking of something less diabolical than their site :) |
| 16:27.59 | prpplague | kergoth: ohh this is the gcc3? |
| 16:28.41 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, i doubt i wouldve had a problem with a 2.9x build. i'll do one of those when this completes |
| 16:29.10 | bipolar | ok.. time to shutdown, install a nvidia card, a dvd-ram drive, and scsi card, a DLT drive, a 19" monitor, and hope it all works. |
| 16:29.17 | bipolar | wish me luck |
| 16:29.27 | kergoth | good luck |
| 16:37.18 | kergoth | prpplague: the gcc3 one is done, starting the gcc2 |
| 16:37.56 | prpplague | kergoth: fun |
| 16:38.28 | prpplague | kergoth: frellin server in panama with digi from hell is down |
| 16:38.58 | masticator | man I used to lose much hair over RAS servers with digiboards in the day |
| 16:39.18 | masticator | ended up throwing all my digis out and got comtrols |
| 16:39.39 | prpplague | kergoth: this site would be a great digi demo site, they have it all, fiber converters, cx , epcx, xem, rp, |
| 16:39.40 | masticator | or 3com total control |
| 16:39.49 | treke | <kerogth> good idea |
| 16:41.32 | prpplague | masticator: we've got a buy back policy to help move ppl away from digi |
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| 16:48.23 | NetNut404_work | hmm.. since upgrading to win 3.2 the clock will not stay correct |
| 16:49.02 | kergoth | That mail from shawn.. what utter bullshit |
| 16:49.20 | kergoth | I dont think i've seen another company fuck up their customer relations that badly in some time. |
| 16:50.52 | icefox | ibot icefox |
| 16:50.52 | | it has been said that icefox is a kde developer and is known as benmeyer |
| 16:55.59 | treke | kergoth: eh? what did he do this time? |
| 16:56.25 | kergoth | treke: the usual. blowing off customers instead of supporting them |
| 16:56.30 | treke | cool |
| 16:57.10 | treke | refusing to help people who use OZ or something? |
| 16:57.28 | kergoth | "not to sound flippant, but don't use openzaurus." |
| 16:57.36 | treke | cool |
| 16:57.49 | kergoth | me: "not to sound flippant, but kiss my ass." |
| 16:57.59 | treke | has he every actually tried it? |
| 16:59.16 | tzanger | kergoth: that's theKompany? |
| 16:59.26 | treke | tzanger: yes |
| 16:59.54 | kergoth | rather than even *considering* that a problem may be their own, they blow off the customer |
| 17:00.43 | treke | what was the problem the customer was reporting? |
| 17:01.16 | kergoth | problem with the buzzer in 3.2 with tkcjabber. could even be an oz bug, but the attitude is completely uncalledfor. |
| 17:02.21 | treke | from what I've heard, he's just an ass altogether |
| 17:02.47 | kergoth | yes. he may be decent at business, but he's horrendous at customer relations |
| 17:08.45 | tzanger | Twiun: you still around? |
| 17:08.50 | Twiun | tzanger: yeah |
| 17:08.56 | treke | does tkcmail even support imap yet? |
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| 17:09.12 | NetNut404_work | hmm what's with the OZ mailling list archives? |
| 17:09.27 | tzanger | Twiun: I was just speaking to someone in #java and they are suggesting that PersonalJava wants the swing 1.4 standalone, not hte 1.1, saying that it's probably barfing due to that |
| 17:09.34 | treke | still doesnt |
| 17:09.57 | Twiun | tzanger: that's not what your error is about though |
| 17:10.00 | NetNut404_work | I get an error "Either your mailing list name was misspelled or your mailing list has not been archived yet. If this list has just been created, please retry in 2-4 hours |
| 17:10.00 | NetNut404_work | " |
| 17:10.02 | tzanger | Just for shits and giggles (thinking that maybe the -jar directive was overriding the class paths, I tried running this instead: |
| 17:10.05 | Twiun | tzanger: did you try merging those two jars? |
| 17:10.14 | tzanger | cvm -Djava.class.path=./swingall.jar -Djava.class.path=./xwt.jar org.xwt.Main myxwar.xwar |
| 17:10.20 | tzanger | Twiun: not yet, just got back from lunch |
| 17:10.36 | tzanger | at any rate, I got the same error without -jar so so much for my theroy :-) |
| 17:10.46 | Twiun | tzanger: that command line would only use the second class.path entry anyway |
| 17:10.55 | Twiun | tzanger: class.path isn't some kind of array :) |
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| 17:10.58 | tzanger | hmm |
| 17:11.02 | treke | kergoth: its funny, they've been real close to releasing an imap mail client, for what a year now? |
| 17:11.09 | Twiun | tzanger: try swapping them to see what I mean |
| 17:11.28 | tzanger | yeah |
| 17:11.44 | tzanger | so it's not possible to have multiple classpaths? Or do I just say xwt.jar,swingall.jar or sommat? |
| 17:11.53 | Twiun | use colons to separate them |
| 17:12.02 | Twiun | but, yeah give it a try |
| 17:12.13 | tzanger | hey that worked a lot better |
| 17:12.43 | tzanger | now I crash out on java.awt.image.BufferedImage, the exact same place I crashed out when using evm :-) |
| 17:12.57 | Twiun | tzanger: lol |
| 17:13.09 | Twiun | tzanger: sounds like xwt need a good kick up the backside |
| 17:13.21 | tzanger | Twiun: well it's aimed for Java1.3 or 1.2 IIRC |
| 17:13.38 | Twiun | tzanger: bah, they should still provide fallback |
| 17:13.40 | tzanger | but the only things it uses from that are for speedups, no actual _hardcore_ dependencies on the java version |
| 17:13.46 | Twiun | tzanger: or a nice, useful error message |
| 17:13.58 | tzanger | that is what I was going to do, wrap the calls it uses from 1.2 so it'll work in 1.1 |
| 17:14.09 | tzanger | IIRC it can't use WABA for other reasons |
| 17:14.26 | Twiun | tzanger: believe me, you really _don't_ want to start implementing a BufferedImage wrapper |
| 17:14.47 | tzanger | Twiun: hmm |
| 17:14.50 | Twiun | tzanger: you'd need an additional 20+ support classes |
| 17:14.59 | Twiun | tzanger: better off modifying xwt |
| 17:15.05 | tzanger | that's what I mean |
| 17:15.13 | Twiun | oh, right |
| 17:15.21 | tzanger | I'd be modifying XWT to fall back to the 1.1-supported functions |
| 17:15.27 | Twiun | gotcha |
| 17:15.32 | tzanger | so it looks like -jar does override classpath |
| 17:15.48 | tzanger | well not only override but nuke right out of the ground :-) |
| 17:15.51 | Twiun | or it just ignores it |
| 17:15.59 | Twiun | but I know what you mean |
| 17:16.11 | Twiun | I think the desktop JVM also does that |
| 17:16.24 | tzanger | I thought PersonalJava was a 1.4 JVM |
| 17:17.03 | Twiun | rofl |
| 17:17.06 | Twiun | hardly |
| 17:17.18 | tzanger | hmm 1.0-ea4a whatever tf that means |
| 17:17.18 | Twiun | it's 1.1 + some extensions |
| 17:17.22 | tzanger | ok |
| 17:17.27 | tzanger | so it's basically the same as evm then |
| 17:17.36 | Twiun | hang on, no J2ME from sun isn't PersonalJava |
| 17:17.45 | Twiun | it's PersonalProfile |
| 17:17.55 | Twiun | which means it has java 1.3 *language* support |
| 17:17.56 | tzanger | ahh that's right |
| 17:18.00 | Twiun | nothing to do with apis |
| 17:18.23 | Twiun | lol, notice how we're turning this channel into a java channel? |
| 17:18.32 | tzanger | hmm ok |
| 17:19.02 | tzanger | I am 99% sure I never had to muck with swing with evm... your faq page says that evm doesn't have it though |
| 17:19.26 | tzanger | I must be on crack |
| 17:19.37 | Twiun | tzanger: Swing is a layer on top of AWT |
| 17:19.53 | Twiun | tzanger: evm and cvm both have the base AWT stuff |
| 17:20.20 | tzanger | right -- but what I am saying is that when I was playing with xwt on evm I didn't have to muck about with getting it to find swing before getting ot the BufferedImage problem |
| 17:21.07 | Twiun | tzanger: then it must be something else... maybe there's a test xwt does that makes it fallback to awt on evm |
| 17:21.18 | Matthew_I | iIE can do png transparency, but not alpha blending |
| 17:21.20 | tzanger | yeah I have to look into it further |
| 17:21.28 | NetNut404_work | has anyone seen that email about replacing a dll in outlook to get intellisynced calander items allarms not set to silent? |
| 17:21.34 | tzanger | oh wait |
| 17:21.39 | tzanger | maybe I did screw with it |
| 17:21.46 | Twiun | lol |
| 17:22.26 | tzanger | I seem to remember FocusManager before |
| 17:22.38 | NetNut404_work | the search at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=openzaurus-users is broke right now |
| 17:22.56 | NetNut404_work | actually the whole thing comes up with an error |
| 17:24.27 | tzanger | hmm |
| 17:24.31 | tzanger | opie keeps just dying on me |
| 17:25.08 | tzanger | I'm ssh'd into the Z but qpe is nonresponsive |
| 17:25.13 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: its SF, its messing up. what else is new. |
| 17:25.31 | Twiun | tzanger: kill it and restart it |
| 17:25.35 | tzanger | yes I know |
| 17:25.40 | tzanger | but I shouldn't have to keep doing that |
| 17:25.40 | Twiun | :) |
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| 17:31.40 | tzanger | mind you I have my lighting set to kill the display after 15m (but don't shut down the Z) -- I wonder if that's buggy |
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| 17:53.39 | tzanger | is there a module or something I'm missing in order to get /dev/dsp to work? |
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| 17:57.10 | kergoth | uh, dsp is the normal headphone out |
| 17:57.13 | kergoth | it wrks out of the box |
| 17:59.14 | tzanger | hmm |
| 17:59.23 | tzanger | I thought there was a d/ev/dsp module for the buzzer |
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| 18:02.17 | treke | there is |
| 18:02.19 | treke | /dev/dsp1 |
| 18:02.32 | tzanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.24 | tzanger | thanks treke |
| 18:06.29 | tzanger | now to see if I can't get this tuner app to use that :-) |
| 18:07.01 | tzanger | offhand, nobody here knows if Sharp's CDMA CF network card will work on Bell Mobility's network, do they? |
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| 18:11.27 | bipolar | ahhh... much better |
| 18:11.42 | bipolar | 1600x1200 is sweet |
| 18:12.02 | Neo|Work | 1600x1200 is "lowest acceptable resolution" |
| 18:12.08 | bipolar | heh |
| 18:12.11 | Neo|Work | > 1600x1200 would be "sweet" :) |
| 18:13.18 | bipolar | I *might be able to get 1601x1201 if I risk the monitor |
| 18:14.32 | Neo|Work | hah |
| 18:14.43 | Neo|Work | my monitor at home handles more but not good enough for me to use it |
| 18:14.57 | Neo|Work | I also require 85 Hz at least |
| 18:17.39 | tzanger | I am perfectly happy with 1024x768 |
| 18:17.47 | tzanger | 800x600 is a little small, but 1024x768 is nice for me |
| 18:17.57 | tzanger | plus i can get flatscreens pretty cheaply at that res :-) |
| 18:18.03 | Neo|Work | I neve NEVER had that low resoltion on a PC |
| 18:18.16 | Neo|Work | on the Amiga, sure, on the PC I started at 1280x1024 |
| 18:18.23 | tzanger | heh hell I'm 80x24 90% of the time I'm talking to servers (ssh) |
| 18:18.25 | yeiazel | 4000x3000 would fit my needs well... |
| 18:18.34 | Neo|Work | before that I had use 1152x900 a lot (Typical Sun resolution way back when) |
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| 18:18.56 | Neo|Work | http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd_vp2290b.htm |
| 18:19.07 | Neo|Work | flatscreen with 3840x2400 optimum resolution |
| 18:19.13 | Neo|Work | now THAT would be nice |
| 18:19.17 | Neo|Work | very very very nice |
| 18:19.22 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:19.26 | Neo|Work | someone give me 7500 pls? |
| 18:22.12 | treke | I woulnt mind two of them |
| 18:22.21 | treke | one would be kinda small |
| 18:22.54 | tzanger | hmm |
| 18:23.05 | tzanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.36 | treke | shouldnt |
| 18:23.46 | tzanger | open("/dev/dsp", O_RDONLY) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 18:24.05 | tzanger | I wonder if something else is blocking it |
| 18:24.33 | tzanger | heh |
| 18:24.37 | tzanger | kergoth is in my system |
| 18:24.43 | tzanger | open("/home/kergoth/collie/build/qt-2.3.4/lib/v4l/fast-mult/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 18:28.38 | treke | better let him out |
| 18:29.19 | pb_ | is that safe? |
| 18:30.04 | treke | pb_: we'll be fine |
| 18:30.11 | treke | I dunno about tzanger though |
| 18:30.19 | tzanger | heh |
| 18:32.44 | tzanger | I wonder what's holding up /dev/dsp |
| 18:33.10 | Neo|Work | fuser? |
| 18:33.25 | Neo|Work | although einval sounds a bit odd for that |
| 18:34.18 | tzanger | fuser /dev/dsp shows nothing |
| 18:35.03 | tzanger | ditto fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 18:45.59 | djr|w | hmm |
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| 18:48.55 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 18:56.30 | Speedy2 | Damn |
| 18:56.33 | sonix` | werd. |
| 18:56.34 | Speedy2 | Does anyone know ljp's e-mail address? |
| 18:56.36 | sonix` | damn indeed. |
| 18:56.39 | Dessimat0r | "westside" |
| 18:56.51 | kergoth`lunch | Speedy2: llornkcor@handhelds.org |
| 18:56.52 | sonix` | eastsai-E! |
| 18:56.57 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:57.24 | Speedy2 | kergoth`lunch: Hey man. |
| 18:58.33 | kergoth`lunch | tzanger: qmake's adding the _build time_ QTDIR to rpath, though it isnt guaranteed to match runtime. that needs fixing. |
| 18:59.04 | djr|w | kergoth`lunch: theres no vfat-modules |
| 18:59.22 | tzanger | :-) |
| 18:59.36 | kergoth`lunch | djr|w: yes, there isnt. |
| 18:59.55 | djr|w | hehe... well kernel-modules is requiring vfat-modules |
| 19:00.14 | kergoth`lunch | bug in our kernel categories |
| 19:00.27 | kergoth`lunch | it assumes that a dependency of a module ipk is a module as well |
| 19:00.34 | kergoth`lunch | doesnt check first |
| 19:01.08 | djr|w | ah |
| 19:01.23 | kergoth`lunch | so i enabled umsdos, which depended on vfat.. |
| 19:01.24 | kergoth`lunch | boom. |
| 19:01.40 | sonix` | i should buy a c700 today.. |
| 19:01.45 | sonix` | i wonder how long it'd take to get here |
| 19:01.55 | chouimat|bored | sonix`: somw days |
| 19:02.03 | prpplague | sonix`: i ordered mine 3 weeks ago and still haven't gotten it |
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| 19:04.05 | noda | Moo! |
| 19:04.17 | chouimat|bored | *BELCH* |
| 19:05.10 | sonix` | prpplague ouch. |
| 19:05.21 | sonix` | prpplague did they even ship it? |
| 19:05.26 | sonix` | shops.conics.net ? |
| 19:05.28 | kergoth`lunch | /home/kergoth/oz/ppc/build/ppp-2.4.1.uus.orig/chat/chat.c:636: undefined reference to `__ctype_b' |
| 19:05.39 | kergoth`lunch | that ring a bell to anyone? |
| 19:05.42 | noda | Ew, glibc ickiness |
| 19:05.43 | pb_ | kergoth`lunch: that's the old -I/usr/include problem. |
| 19:05.48 | noda | Oh |
| 19:05.52 | kergoth`lunch | pb_: figured as much. thanks. |
| 19:06.01 | Speedy2 | Later all |
| 19:06.08 | noda | kergoth`lunch: How goes? :) |
| 19:06.59 | sonix` | kergoth http://shop.conics.net is the link/? |
| 19:07.20 | sonix` | its down |
| 19:07.30 | kergoth`lunch | yep thats the link |
| 19:07.36 | kergoth`lunch | noda: not bad, got my fingers crossed on that job |
| 19:07.37 | chouimat|bored | kergoth`lunch: what kind of questions they asked yesterday? |
| 19:07.46 | noda | kergoth`lunch: Job? I'm out of the loop, what job? |
| 19:07.49 | kergoth`lunch | pb_: you recall offhand, the gcc cmdline opt to dump the default include path? |
| 19:07.50 | sonix` | TI |
| 19:07.56 | kergoth`lunch | noda: flew out to TI on tuesday |
| 19:08.02 | noda | Ooh, where? |
| 19:08.06 | noda | Texas? |
| 19:08.07 | noda | :P |
| 19:08.08 | chouimat|bored | noda: Dallas |
| 19:08.10 | kergoth`lunch | heheh |
| 19:08.13 | treke | noda: Florida |
| 19:08.21 | noda | Ah, okay :) |
| 19:08.31 | chouimat|bored | kergoth`lunch: what kind of questions they asked yesterday? (second try) |
| 19:08.48 | pb_ | kergoth`lunch: not offhand, sorry |
| 19:09.03 | kergoth`lunch | np, thanks anyway |
| 19:10.25 | sonix` | <chouimat|bored> kergoth`lunch: what kind of questions they asked yesterday? (third try) |
| 19:10.47 | kergoth`lunch | heh, the kinds of questions people generally ask at interviews. guaging whether your skills match what they need |
| 19:10.56 | noda | And... do they? What's the job? |
| 19:11.01 | sonix` | noda NDA. |
| 19:11.20 | noda | You're kidding, a job *title* is under NDA? |
| 19:11.34 | sonix` | lol |
| 19:11.40 | sonix` | i thought you meant project |
| 19:11.47 | sonix` | he wants to be a linux driver programmer |
| 19:11.52 | noda | Oh sweet :) |
| 19:11.57 | sonix` | iirc. |
| 19:12.02 | treke | he wants to not be tech support is more like it :) |
| 19:12.30 | noda | kergoth`lunch: You'd still have time for OZ, right? :) |
| 19:12.35 | tzanger | http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,47750,00.html |
| 19:12.39 | kergoth`lunch | noda: i dont have time for OZ now, but i work on it anyway |
| 19:12.43 | kergoth`lunch | heheh |
| 19:12.50 | noda | Right. Would it give you more time or less time? :) |
| 19:12.56 | treke | question is will he be non-competed out of OZ :) |
| 19:13.28 | chouimat | lol |
| 19:13.51 | kergoth`lunch | heheh. i stressed numerous times not to make sharp's mistakes |
| 19:14.10 | kergoth`lunch | unless they want to alienate more people, fucking with dev's ability to contriubte to projects would be a bad idea |
| 19:14.21 | bipolar | kergoth`lunch: who was the job with? |
| 19:14.32 | djr|w | kergoth`lunch: i love those vera bitstream fonts on the Z... theyre beautiful |
| 19:14.34 | kergoth`lunch | bipolar: ? scroll up |
| 19:14.37 | noda | bipolar: TI |
| 19:14.55 | bipolar | ohh... TI texas instruments? |
| 19:14.58 | noda | kergoth`lunch: Wait, in your job interview? This job would be OZ-related? Or did you just use OZ to show your skills... |
| 19:15.26 | chouimat | kergoth`lunch: the interviewer english was understandable? |
| 19:15.27 | Dessimat0r | TI make calculators and USB2 controllers? |
| 19:15.28 | kergoth`lunch | OZ was the platform that developed my skills. It wouldnt be used directly |
| 19:15.29 | chouimat | :) |
| 19:15.32 | kergoth`lunch | chouimat: 4 of the 5, yes |
| 19:15.34 | noda | Ah |
| 19:15.46 | noda | Dessimat0r: They make LOTS of stuff |
| 19:15.49 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:15.52 | chouimat | kergoth`lunch: the fifth was a real texan ? |
| 19:16.05 | noda | TI was, like, the 5th company to get into selling computers, wasn't it? |
| 19:16.16 | treke | TI builds tones of shit |
| 19:16.25 | chouimat | the TI 99/4a |
| 19:17.30 | chouimat | http://www.dunkels.com/adam/contiki/ |
| 19:18.46 | prpplague | sonix`: don't know, haven't been able to get them to respond |
| 19:19.11 | Dessimat0r | Thats nice ;) |
| 19:19.20 | prpplague | kergoth`lunch: so, they call you yet? ) |
| 19:19.25 | noda | Okay, time for the other 6.5 pages of my research project :) |
| 19:19.26 | kergoth`lunch | prpplague: naw |
| 19:19.38 | noda | If it was only yesterday that's pretty understandable |
| 19:19.38 | Dessimat0r | the OS on those pics |
| 19:19.54 | prpplague | kergoth`lunch: lol, getting that texas lingo down |
| 19:20.00 | kergoth`lunch | lol |
| 19:20.22 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm still waiting to see if I get an interview |
| 19:21.05 | sonix` | prpplague you realize their website is down? |
| 19:22.35 | prpplague | sonix`: naw, been a little too busy to check |
| 19:22.46 | prpplague | chouimat: ya, atleast kergoth`lunch got an interview |
| 19:23.45 | sonix` | man I want a c700 :'( |
| 19:24.00 | cyn_ | wtf |
| 19:24.15 | sonix` | wtf |
| 19:24.22 | cyn_ | "ln -s /mnt/card/inst/usr/bin/nano ." produces a "nano -> ./nano" link when run in /usr/bin/ |
| 19:24.26 | chouimat | kergoth`lunch: what kind of question they ask? I know the question they ask here but south of the borderr I don't know |
| 19:24.38 | cyn_ | did that because installing nano through aqpkg produced the same heh |
| 19:24.53 | cyn_ | and the nano on sd isn't a symlink |
| 19:25.24 | kergoth`lunch | /home/kergoth/oz/ppc/build/ppp-2.4.1.uus.orig/pppd/options.c:1489: undefined reference to `dlopen' |
| 19:25.27 | kergoth`lunch | hmm |
| 19:26.07 | cyn_ | oh thats right can't send ctrl codes under oz anyway, ill just alias nano to vi hehe |
| 19:26.12 | cyn_ | (yet) |
| 19:26.14 | kergoth`lunch | cyn_: ? |
| 19:26.28 | kergoth`lunch | oh, the fn+shift binding to control? |
| 19:26.32 | cyn_ | kergoth`lunch: testing out installing stuff to non-standard locations |
| 19:26.59 | cyn_ | i have a dir on sd called 'inst' that i install to, to keep things visually cleaner when browsing |
| 19:27.50 | cyn_ | and nano installed to it fine but the symlink it keeps creating on /usr/bin refuses to link anywhere but itself |
| 19:28.02 | kergoth`lunch | weird. |
| 19:28.06 | cyn_ | ya |
| 19:28.06 | kergoth`lunch | busybox ln bug maybe? |
| 19:28.10 | cyn_ | messing with ln -s right now |
| 19:28.15 | cyn_ | we'll see |
| 19:28.40 | cyn_ | think so |
| 19:29.28 | cyn_ | yeah there's some busybox ln weirdness here |
| 19:29.38 | cyn_ | maybe im doing it wrong order |
| 19:29.43 | cyn_ | isn't it ln <what> <where> |
| 19:30.19 | yeiazel | ln -s /path/to/file /path/to/link |
| 19:30.23 | cyn_ | yea |
| 19:30.34 | cyn_ | I can't create any symlinks but "foo -> ./foo" |
| 19:30.44 | cyn_ | the most useless of all symlinks! |
| 19:30.53 | yeiazel | :)) |
| 19:31.53 | cyn_ | /bin/ln is a symlink to busybox too, just flashed, maybe there's a newer in the feed? |
| 19:32.08 | kergoth`lunch | ln is supposed to be a link to busybox |
| 19:32.14 | cyn_ | right |
| 19:32.32 | cyn_ | v0.61.pre (2003.04.23-19:44+0000) |
| 19:39.07 | masticator | kergoth`lunch: your 56 arrive yet? |
| 19:39.16 | kergoth`lunch | nope |
| 19:39.23 | masticator | did you track it |
| 19:39.39 | masticator | I insured it for 500 bucks |
| 19:39.57 | masticator | sent it priority mail returned receipt |
| 19:40.06 | masticator | its only thursday though |
| 19:40.12 | masticator | probably tomorrow |
| 19:42.49 | kergoth`lunch | treke: hows the ipaq support sitting? the next testing release, 3.3.1, should probably include the initial support for 5600, c700, etc |
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| 19:44.15 | noda | Uh-oh, hope I'll have time to work on the device thingy in oz.org... |
| 19:44.24 | noda | Still have no ideas, but I'll get one :) |
| 19:44.32 | bipolar | well... that was painless |
| 19:44.46 | chouimat | noda: rainy in mtl? |
| 19:45.00 | noda | chouimat: Yeah, a bit. I have to do laundry, don't want to leave the comfort of my own home :( |
| 19:45.36 | chouimat | noda: need to go see a moron,I'm leaving in about 20 minutes |
| 19:45.43 | noda | chouimat: Hehehe, have fun :) |
| 19:46.18 | chouimat | noda: the good side is at a 5-7 and the barmaids are pretty |
| 19:46.31 | noda | Ooh |
| 19:47.07 | chouimat | http://kde.geiseri.com/kdevelop_bash.png |
| 19:48.11 | noda | gideon's pretty cool |
| 19:48.21 | noda | ...it can use a kvim widget, right? |
| 19:48.36 | djr|w | i still use vim for everything |
| 19:48.39 | chouimat | noda: I'm working to add palm os support and dreamcast support |
| 19:48.40 | noda | Ditto |
| 19:48.53 | noda | chouimat: Cool. The dreamcast still exists? |
| 19:49.02 | noda | Thought that was just about the least successful console ever. |
| 19:49.15 | noda | Except maybe the Jaguar. No, not even -- Jaguar did better than dreamcast :) |
| 19:49.36 | noda | Even Saturn did better, didn't it? And the 3DO one... |
| 19:50.18 | chouimat | noda: fun to hack :) |
| 19:51.01 | chouimat | noda: basicly some part of the dc support will be on the form of pluging so you can add any console you want |
| 19:51.06 | killefiz | has sharp decided yet if something c700-like will be produced for europe/usa? |
| 19:51.22 | noda | Cool |
| 19:51.38 | chouimat | killefiz: yup the c15000 release date january 5th 2031 |
| 19:52.01 | killefiz | chouimat: cool - where can I place a pre-order? |
| 19:52.09 | chouimat | hehe |
| 19:52.36 | killefiz | i'll get one for my 55th birthday then |
| 19:53.39 | cyn_ | heh |
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| 19:53.58 | sonix` | hi |
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| 20:05.35 | kergoth`lunch | hmm |
| 20:05.41 | sonix` | yes? |
| 20:05.49 | kergoth`lunch | voice mail in my mailbox from one of ti's recruiters |
| 20:05.57 | sonix` | w00t |
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| 20:06.14 | killefiz | ti as in texas instruments? |
| 20:06.19 | noda | killefiz: Yes |
| 20:06.21 | sonix` | yes indeedy. |
| 20:06.24 | sonix` | heh |
| 20:06.28 | killefiz | good luck |
| 20:06.33 | noda | kergoth`lunch: Good luck! |
| 20:06.42 | sonix` | whats killefiz mean? |
| 20:06.53 | noda | What's soniz` mean? |
| 20:06.59 | noda | erm, s/z/x/ |
| 20:07.06 | killefiz | sonix`: short version: nothing |
| 20:07.12 | treke | kergoth`lunch: I think they ipaq support is pretty stable. The only ipaq specific issue I can think of the lack of ppp/serial access, but I'll probably add a patch for that |
| 20:07.31 | treke | most of the issues arent ipaq specific at this point |
| 20:08.02 | sonix` | noda nothing. |
| 20:08.33 | noda | :) |
| 20:10.45 | ivan | sonix`: have you experienced the problem with dust falling under the screen like the bitchers on the sharp devnet forums? |
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| 20:11.19 | chouimat|away | Ok I have to go |
| 20:11.24 | noda | chouimat|away: Have fun! |
| 20:11.34 | chouimat|away | noda: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 20:48.34 | noda | Whee! 10 pages written :) |
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| 20:59.44 | bipolar | it's been 30min and ipkg is still upgrading libqte |
| 21:00.13 | bipolar | I'm going to have to leave my Z in the cradle here at work to (hopefuly) finish. |
| 21:07.50 | Speedy2 | bbl all. |
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| 21:22.04 | kolla | I dont grasp opie-mail |
| 21:22.50 | kolla | and there it crashed again :) |
| 21:23.06 | treke | tell us something we didnt already know |
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| 21:24.42 | kolla | treke: did you know there is now printer support in opie? :) |
| 21:24.51 | kolla | s/now/no |
| 21:24.54 | kolla | heh |
| 21:25.01 | jkc | Hello, i have tried to format a scandisk mmc-card 64 MB (typ I) as ext2fs (Ipaq 3870, familiar 0.7, opie0.9.3) but i can't mount it: mount -t ext2 /dev/mmc/part1 /mnt/card -> no such device. Can anybody give some hints ? |
| 21:25.02 | treke | kolla: keep trying |
| 21:25.16 | kolla | :) |
| 21:26.06 | kolla | jkc: well.. is there a /dev/mmc/part1 one there? |
| 21:26.21 | jkc | kolla: yes |
| 21:26.52 | pb_ | jkc: you have ext2 in /proc/filesystems, right? |
| 21:28.05 | jkc | pb_: no, there is no entrie |
| 21:28.38 | pb_ | sounds like you need to insmod ext2. |
| 21:31.25 | zauruslover | pardon my asking again, but I'd like to know if anyone on this channel has purchased a C700 from Conics.net ? I've sent them two emails on how to place an order but haven't had a response in a week |
| 21:32.16 | treke | anyone have the new ip for uclibc.org? |
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| 21:34.41 | jkc | pb_: many thanks, that was the problem |
| 21:34.47 | gruemelmonster | hi |
| 21:34.52 | mickeyl | hi gruemelmonster |
| 21:35.01 | gruemelmonster | hi mickeyl |
| 21:35.19 | _Psycho | zauruslover its weird, the guys usually reply within 6 hours from conics.net |
| 21:35.26 | _Psycho | hey libtool fixed yet ? |
| 21:35.34 | gruemelmonster | general quetion: is usbd-net still the recomended way of connecting the Z?? |
| 21:35.44 | mickeyl | _Psycho: no. kergoth`lunch is looking into it |
| 21:36.06 | _Psycho | oh, at least he is back ;) |
| 21:36.12 | mickeyl | gruemelmonster: i recommend wlan :) |
| 21:36.35 | gruemelmonster | mickeyl: send me an ap and a card;-) |
| 21:37.01 | mickeyl | gruemelmonster: err... well... yes, usbdnet is pretty recommended ... :-D |
| 21:37.03 | treke | mickeyl: incorrect partition type? |
| 21:37.17 | mickeyl | treke: hmm... ah that might be. |
| 21:37.42 | kergoth`lunch | mickeyl: if a filesystem is a module, yo ugenerally need to ensure its listed in the filesystems list |
| 21:37.48 | kergoth`lunch | mickeyl: which is /etc/filesystems, and /proc/filesystems. |
| 21:37.55 | kergoth`lunch | mickeyl: if it isnt in either of those, thats the problem |
| 21:38.16 | zauruslover | _psycho : Is there a particular contact person there ? |
| 21:38.22 | mickeyl | kergoth`lunch: well doesn't the standard familiar install list ext2fs in /etc/filesystems? |
| 21:38.27 | mickeyl | i would think so |
| 21:38.30 | jkc | mickeyl: treke: the modul was not installed, sorry |
| 21:38.38 | kergoth`lunch | mickeyl: should, yep |
| 21:38.39 | mickeyl | jkc: can you mount now? |
| 21:38.49 | jkc | mickeyl: yes |
| 21:38.50 | mickeyl | jkc: ok, then you should be able to handle the rest. |
| 21:39.00 | mickeyl | jkc: if not, come back to me |
| 21:39.25 | jkc | mickeyl: ok, i try it, many thanks |
| 21:39.44 | mickeyl | np. say PyQt and I become very helpful :-D |
| 21:42.54 | _Psycho | zauruslover no just email the info or order or status email forgot, Brett will reply you, it was quick for me |
| 21:48.04 | zauruslover | thx psycho ... what is the best/fastest mode of payment ? International wire or money order ? |
| 21:49.31 | _Psycho | well i did a international wire myself |
| 21:49.39 | _Psycho | not sure if there is any fast thing take like 3-4 days |
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| 21:50.44 | prpplague | zauruslover: i ordered a c700 about 3 weeks ago from conics but haven;t received it or any email back |
| 21:51.16 | kergoth`lunch | prpplague: i hate negotiating. |
| 21:51.17 | kergoth`lunch | i really do., |
| 21:51.25 | prpplague | zauruslover: someone said their website was down |
| 21:51.41 | zauruslover | maybe its out of stock ... am thinking of sending a fax via their efax service ... the site's up |
| 21:51.59 | treke | kergoth`lunch: do you have an alternate source for kernel-headers? |
| 21:52.01 | _Psycho | prpplague, maybe the guys is in vacation, when i ordered mine, the money took like 4 days to get to the guys, then he emailed me the c700, took 3 days to get home |
| 21:52.22 | kergoth`lunch | treke: ftp.kernel.org has it in a mirror area, i forget the exact url |
| 21:52.28 | mickeyl | treke: this file is everywhere - just google for the filename |
| 21:52.39 | treke | mickeyl: ok, so it's the same file? |
| 21:52.48 | prpplague | _Psycho: agreed, i'm not complaining (yet), after 45 days then i'll get worried |
| 21:52.57 | treke | mickeyl: I got a mirrored version and had been using it, but was getting an error that the kernel headers may have changed |
| 21:53.09 | mickeyl | d'oh! |
| 21:53.12 | _Psycho | its weird really when i got mine the guys was very fast, and like i had 1 week of backorder thought |
| 21:53.33 | mickeyl | _Psycho: " then he emailed me the c700," |
| 21:53.37 | mickeyl | hmm... how does that work? |
| 21:53.39 | zauruslover | :)) |
| 21:53.43 | _Psycho | kergoth you can tell me when you push some libtool change ? :) |
| 21:53.47 | zauruslover | brb |
| 21:53.49 | mickeyl | star trek? |
| 21:53.51 | mickeyl | :-D |
| 21:53.56 | _Psycho | mickeyl typo ! mailed me! |
| 21:54.00 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:56.13 | kergoth`lunch | so it looks like i have the position. nailing down final numbers tomorrow |
| 21:56.27 | mickeyl | congrats! |
| 21:56.41 | _Psycho | grats |
| 21:56.45 | _Psycho | at TI ? |
| 21:57.13 | mewyn` | kergoth`lunch: great! time to get the fsck outta digi |
| 21:57.15 | mewyn` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.28 | zauruslover | psycho : did you have to pay any taxes ? |
| 22:00.46 | _Psycho | not in canda no |
| 22:00.52 | zauruslover | ok |
| 22:00.55 | _Psycho | canada* |
| 22:05.06 | kergoth`lunch | _Psycho: yep, at ti |
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| 22:05.09 | kergoth`lunch | mewyn`: thank god |
| 22:06.01 | mewyn` | yah. tech support sucks |
| 22:06.19 | kergoth | this will make some good resume fodder |
| 22:06.20 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:06.52 | mewyn` | what will you be doing at TI? |
| 22:07.14 | kergoth | OS stuff. linux drivers, specifically |
| 22:07.32 | mewyn` | hrm |
| 22:07.59 | mewyn` | any specific projects? |
| 22:08.07 | kergoth | yep. /me is under NDA |
| 22:08.12 | kergoth | so cant say much |
| 22:08.19 | mewyn` | damn |
| 22:08.21 | mewyn` | get a wife |
| 22:08.27 | mewyn` | so she can tell us |
| 22:08.28 | mewyn` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.30 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:08.43 | mewyn` | it's the one legal loophole to /all/ NDAs |
| 22:08.43 | treke | kergoth: did you actually get the job? |
| 22:08.44 | mewyn` | :) |
| 22:09.22 | kergoth | treke: yep. I'll be contacting a contract firm to get the w2 & shit shortly |
| 22:09.56 | treke | kergoth: pay good? |
| 22:10.11 | kergoth | not at all bad. lower than I expected given its a contract position, not full time |
| 22:10.36 | kergoth | cost of living is real low down there, should be nice |
| 22:10.47 | mewyn` | and you have XM :) |
| 22:10.53 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:10.56 | mewyn` | is it contract to hire? |
| 22:11.03 | kergoth | now i need to find a friend or relative to rent out my townhouse |
| 22:11.16 | kergoth | cause i really dont want to sell it when i could be gaining equity |
| 22:11.17 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:11.26 | mewyn` | heh |
| 22:11.26 | kergoth | mewyn`: could be, hard to say |
| 22:11.56 | zauruslover | kergoth : Congrats ! |
| 22:13.40 | cyn_ | kergoth: let me be not the first to congratulate you |
| 22:16.11 | mewyn` | wow. i'm kicking some major ass |
| 22:17.08 | treke | when do you start? |
| 22:17.09 | zauruslover | gtg guys ... laterz |
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| 22:18.45 | mewyn` | i'm addicted to this stupid game |
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| 22:28.39 | treke | ok. time to fix this glibc build bug |
| 22:30.57 | gruemelmonster | hi everybody |
| 22:31.00 | kergoth | hey gruemelmonster |
| 22:31.25 | gruemelmonster | havent been around for a while |
| 22:31.43 | gruemelmonster | can i easily upgrade to unstable?? |
| 22:31.53 | gruemelmonster | or anything to know? |
| 22:32.06 | gruemelmonster | except the usual? |
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| 22:59.55 | mewyn` | kergoth: i got one question with the stuff at TI, i'm pretty sure you can answer. Is it cool? |
| 23:02.17 | kergoth | ask away |
| 23:02.22 | mewyn` | i did |
| 23:02.22 | treke | I think he did :) |
| 23:02.26 | treke | "Is it cool?" |
| 23:02.28 | mewyn` | yah |
| 23:02.32 | mewyn` | is it cool |
| 23:02.36 | kergoth | maybe |
| 23:02.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:02.47 | mewyn` | maybe? |
| 23:02.48 | kergoth | the job in general? yeah it seems cool |
| 23:02.53 | mewyn` | no, the products :) |
| 23:02.54 | treke | "I am not at liberty to say" |
| 23:03.04 | mewyn` | cool is a subjective term, so :) |
| 23:03.05 | kergoth | lets just say theres a fair amount of spiffiness |
| 23:03.07 | kergoth | and leave it at that |
| 23:03.11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:03.13 | mewyn` | damnit |
| 23:03.31 | treke | "this product may, or may not, be spiffy |
| 23:03.32 | mewyn` | :) |
| 23:03.48 | mewyn` | now i wanna know |
| 23:03.49 | treke | kergoth: question is, will you still be able to start at 10 |
| 23:04.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:04.21 | kergoth | somehow i doubt it |
| 23:04.39 | mewyn` | work that into the contract |
| 23:04.43 | mewyn` | :) |
| 23:18.36 | absentia2 | re |
| 23:18.41 | kergoth | hey |
| 23:18.52 | absentia2 | welcome back |
| 23:23.15 | kergoth | thanks |
| 23:25.23 | absentia2 | I've been doing a lot of pounding on oz the last few days |
| 23:25.43 | absentia2 | I'mgonna try to get a buildroot going on vpc tonight. |
| 23:26.05 | kergoth | absentia2: i got the job. no more tech support for me |
| 23:26.11 | kergoth | absentia2: but dont worry, i'll still be an ass |
| 23:26.13 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:26.16 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 23:26.22 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 23:26.38 | kergoth | ibot: seen prpplague |
| 23:26.38 | | prpplague <~billybob@12.148.134.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 1h 33m 50s ago, saying: '_Psycho: agreed, i'm not complaining (yet), after 45 days then i'll get worried'. |
| 23:27.09 | absentia2 | yeah!!!! |
| 23:27.10 | absentia2 | congrats |
| 23:27.13 | absentia2 | what will you be doing? |
| 23:27.18 | absentia2 | gonna/gotta move? |
| 23:27.22 | kergoth | linux driver porting/development |
| 23:27.23 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:27.29 | absentia2 | seems right in line |
| 23:28.03 | kergoth | its a good fit for me, as long as i can still work on oz :) |
| 23:32.04 | absentia2 | anyway |
| 23:32.23 | absentia2 | I installed the apr 29 image and apr 21 kernel |
| 23:32.32 | absentia2 | and although it comes up with no keyboard or systime |
| 23:32.44 | absentia2 | you can install it from the aqpkg.. it's really straight forward. |
| 23:32.47 | kergoth | guess i should upload that new one with fixed cursor rotation eh |
| 23:32.53 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 23:32.59 | absentia2 | well, what happens... I get like 85% of oz installed |
| 23:33.04 | absentia2 | and then I install something that kills opie |
| 23:33.12 | kergoth | any idea what it is? |
| 23:33.15 | absentia2 | and no matter what I install, I can't get opie to restart |
| 23:33.18 | absentia2 | so, I reflash |
| 23:33.26 | kergoth | logread next time |
| 23:33.27 | absentia2 | but after reflashing, something... aqpkg.. sees stuff on the sd/cf |
| 23:33.33 | absentia2 | and thinks things are installed already! |
| 23:33.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.36 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:33.39 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:33.40 | kergoth | they are installed already. |
| 23:33.51 | absentia2 | I did that without the logread |
| 23:33.51 | kergoth | the ipkg db for dests is stored on the dest |
| 23:33.55 | kergoth | cf, sd |
| 23:33.56 | absentia2 | I keep forgetting I have to turn it on |
| 23:34.05 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:34.05 | kergoth | use ipkg-link mount to relink them back to root to use them |
| 23:34.08 | absentia2 | but the icons don't show up |
| 23:34.11 | absentia2 | like kong full |
| 23:34.12 | absentia2 | ubroswer |
| 23:34.14 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:34.15 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount |
| 23:34.17 | absentia2 | but I can't re-insatll them |
| 23:34.25 | kergoth | symlinks them into the rootfs so you can make use of them |
| 23:34.46 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:34.51 | absentia2 | I thought I had to do it by package |
| 23:34.56 | absentia2 | and I didn't keep a list, etc. |
| 23:35.00 | absentia2 | will mount just find them all ? |
| 23:35.07 | kergoth | ah, nope. the entire ipkg db for that media is on the media |
| 23:35.10 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 23:35.11 | kergoth | ta da |
| 23:35.11 | absentia2 | if so, I'm 90% hapy with oz. |
| 23:35.13 | kergoth | all the apps are linked |
| 23:35.18 | kergoth | its smooth |
| 23:35.25 | absentia2 | only thing left is netfront is so much better than konq |
| 23:35.28 | absentia2 | other than that, oz kicks! |
| 23:35.37 | kergoth | we need a netfront creator script |
| 23:35.40 | kergoth | to yank it from sharp |
| 23:35.48 | absentia2 | ya, but will it run under gcc3 oz? |
| 23:36.03 | kergoth | good point. only with a set of gcc2 compat libs |
| 23:36.08 | kergoth | i need to think about how to make that work |
| 23:36.14 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:36.20 | kergoth | careful use of LD_LIBRARY_PATH :) |
| 23:36.23 | absentia2 | oh, one last thing |
| 23:36.32 | absentia2 | I flashed back to sharp, with a full sd.... 480mb |
| 23:36.42 | absentia2 | then flashed back to oz, and oz locked ... scanning the sd? |
| 23:36.55 | djr|w | yeah... theres something in the unstable feed that kills opie |
| 23:36.56 | absentia2 | I could ssh in, access the sd, but opie always had the busy circle thing... it would rotate 1 step.. and then lock |
| 23:36.59 | djr|w | i dont know what it is |
| 23:36.59 | djr|w | hehe |
| 23:37.02 | djr|w | but ive had that happen |
| 23:37.11 | absentia2 | well, what happens is.. |
| 23:37.14 | absentia2 | I intsall 1 package, works |
| 23:37.16 | absentia2 | install one |
| 23:37.17 | absentia2 | works |
| 23:37.19 | absentia2 | install one |
| 23:37.19 | absentia2 | works |
| 23:37.22 | absentia2 | then get tired |
| 23:37.23 | kergoth | yeah, its likely the docs scanning |
| 23:37.24 | absentia2 | and intall 5 |
| 23:37.24 | absentia2 | works |
| 23:37.28 | absentia2 | intsall 10 works |
| 23:37.30 | kergoth | use mediummount to disabled scanning that card |
| 23:37.31 | absentia2 | install the rest, fails. |
| 23:37.32 | absentia2 | :-/ |
| 23:37.39 | kergoth | the whole docs scanning sucks atm |
| 23:37.48 | absentia2 | ker: ya, but then I flashed back to sharp, and sharp hung on it. |
| 23:37.54 | absentia2 | I had to do a mkfs.ext2 on it |
| 23:37.55 | absentia2 | :-< |
| 23:37.58 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:37.58 | djr|w | well i guess when i get home i can install them one at a time and see which one kills opie |
| 23:38.00 | *** join/#openembedded nikki (nikki@202.57.90.201) |
| 23:38.00 | absentia2 | lost my gcc, perl, etc. |
| 23:38.05 | absentia2 | but I don't mind |
| 23:38.07 | absentia2 | I'm here to test. |
| 23:38.13 | absentia2 | you weren't around so it was difficult to test things, etc. |
| 23:38.29 | absentia2 | but, a fresh oz install with empty cf/sd is really good. |
| 23:38.40 | absentia2 | it's just that reflash that seems to leave things not linked |
| 23:39.01 | absentia2 | djr: ya, it's down at the bottom of the aqpkg list |
| 23:39.02 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 23:39.07 | absentia2 | I think it was like opie-update |
| 23:39.08 | absentia2 | or something |
| 23:39.21 | kergoth | absentia2: eventually i'll set something up where the first insertion of a new card, and only the first, does an ipkg-link mount, or something |
| 23:39.28 | kergoth | absentia2: we really need a tap+hold menu for cardmon |
| 23:39.34 | kergoth | absentia2: to get into a window to format, relink, etc cards |
| 23:40.14 | djr|w | i do the whole boot from SD trick |
| 23:40.19 | djr|w | it makes things so much easier |
| 23:40.21 | absentia2 | ker: well, I didn't know of that command |
| 23:40.31 | kergoth | cardmon is the card eject applet |
| 23:40.39 | kergoth | i want a way to format / ipkg-link cards from it |
| 23:40.41 | absentia2 | so it was like... ipkg list, put it in a script, and ipkg link each. |
| 23:40.41 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 23:40.42 | djr|w | cause if i mess something up... i can just remove the SD card, boot normally, then put the SD card back in... fix it up or copy the things over again |
| 23:40.44 | absentia2 | messy, but it works. |
| 23:40.46 | djr|w | so i dont have to reflash |
| 23:40.46 | absentia2 | just annoying. |
| 23:41.07 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:41.19 | absentia2 | like, I have a bunch of stuff in /home/root or something under sharp |
| 23:41.25 | absentia2 | but after I did my restore, it's all gone. |
| 23:41.34 | absentia2 | I like having that space available |
| 23:41.39 | absentia2 | I want to put certain must haves in there |
| 23:41.45 | absentia2 | and after flashing, just link that in |
| 23:41.55 | absentia2 | I mean, sharp has tcsh! |
| 23:42.08 | absentia2 | I'm more and more impressed with the number of command line apps in the sharp rom |
| 23:42.09 | absentia2 | vmstat |
| 23:42.10 | absentia2 | etc. |
| 23:42.43 | wParam | it's annoying that they don't have fdisk |
| 23:47.56 | absentia2 | looks like the shift.. right shift.. works on the console |
| 23:47.59 | absentia2 | just not once in opie |
| 23:48.25 | absentia2 | hey,opie login... ugly ugly... why does oz site show picogui? in so many of the screenshots? |
| 23:50.29 | kergoth | it shows more opie shots than picogui. |
| 23:50.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:50.35 | djr|w | i want tcsh too |
| 23:50.36 | djr|w | :( |
| 23:50.37 | absentia2 | I'll go look again |
| 23:50.39 | treke | because someone took a lot of picogui picutres? |
| 23:50.42 | absentia2 | I just liked the picogui login screen |
| 23:50.46 | absentia2 | the opie one.... is painful |
| 23:50.47 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 23:50.54 | treke | there are wait more opie shots |
| 23:50.59 | absentia2 | djr: it's on the sharp rom |
| 23:51.06 | treke | absentia2: come up with something more useful than calling it ugly |
| 23:51.08 | absentia2 | if anything, it needs zsh... :-) |
| 23:51.17 | kergoth | absentia2: Patches Welcome |
| 23:51.20 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:51.23 | djr|w | absentia2, its possible to copy tcsh from the sharp rom to oz? |
| 23:51.32 | absentia2 | well, as kergoth keeps saying |
| 23:51.34 | absentia2 | it's mounted! |
| 23:51.38 | absentia2 | just padd it to yourpath |
| 23:51.39 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 23:51.44 | absentia2 | I'm gonna try it |
| 23:51.47 | absentia2 | to see if it runs |
| 23:51.51 | kergoth | or you could .. add tcsh or zsh to buildroot |
| 23:51.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:52.00 | treke | 7 picogui shots |
| 23:52.04 | treke | 51 opie shots |
| 23:52.17 | kergoth | treke: so many picogui shots! |
| 23:52.27 | djr|w | i need to get buildroot working |
| 23:52.33 | djr|w | i wonder if i can get it working on fbsd |
| 23:52.34 | djr|w | hehe |
| 23:52.58 | kergoth | djr|w: absentia is a fbsd user as well, i'd like to see it working on it |
| 23:53.03 | kergoth | somebody toss me a shell and i'll do it |
| 23:53.11 | kergoth | not that there isnt enough shit on mjy plate already |
| 23:53.12 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:53.21 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:53.23 | djr|w | kergoth: you dont need root, right? |
| 23:53.24 | absentia2 | I've just been lazy. |
| 23:53.30 | kergoth | djr|w: right. |
| 23:53.36 | absentia2 | well, things like patch.. |
| 23:53.41 | absentia2 | wants -dry-run etc. |
| 23:53.48 | kergoth | yep, someone just needs to go through and find the gnuisms |
| 23:53.51 | absentia2 | yup |
| 23:53.59 | absentia2 | I went in and hacked the code |
| 23:54.05 | absentia2 | would probably be easier just to install the patch it wants |
| 23:54.06 | absentia2 | etc. |
| 23:54.15 | kergoth | we could add more host build tools |
| 23:54.21 | kergoth | have it grab and build patch |
| 23:54.22 | kergoth | etc |
| 23:54.27 | absentia2 | yup |
| 23:54.29 | djr|w | kergoth: when i get home from work ill make you a shell... |
| 23:54.33 | djr|w | i leave in 7 minutes |
| 23:54.34 | absentia2 | I think that would be the easiest. |
| 23:54.36 | kergoth | djr|w: drop me an email |
| 23:54.42 | kergoth | absentia2: fastest as well |
| 23:55.03 | absentia2 | be safe. |
| 23:55.07 | mewyn` | gah. i hate picking out passphrases |
| 23:55.08 | djr|w | hehe |
