| 00:01.11 | ivan | is the cradle-crashing bug fixed yet? |
| 00:06.30 | chouimat|food | lol ... my brother managed to make one of our auunts sign the (dihydrogen monoxid) |
| 00:07.06 | ivan | heh |
| 00:07.16 | ivan | what was the signature for? |
| 00:07.20 | chouimat|food | ivan: www.dhmo.org |
| 00:08.57 | ivan | http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html hahaha |
| 00:09.00 | ivan | look at the picture |
| 00:09.37 | ivan | Recent massive DHMO exposures have lead to the loss of life and destruction of property in California, the Mid-West, the Philippines, and a number of islands in the Caribbean, to name just a few. |
| 00:09.44 | ivan | DHMO is present in nearly every creek, stream, pond, river, lake and reservoir in the U.S. and around the world. |
| 00:10.49 | ljp | ban that shit! |
| 00:10.56 | ljp | :) |
| 00:11.59 | chouimat|food | ljp: hehe |
| 00:12.16 | chouimat|food | ivan: my aunt is a lawyer and she signed that .... |
| 00:12.28 | ivan | signed what? |
| 00:12.32 | ljp | heh really? |
| 00:12.55 | chouimat|food | ivan: there is a petition somewhere ... |
| 00:13.00 | ivan | heh |
| 00:13.18 | chouimat|food | ljp: my borther she wanted to nag her so he bringed her the info .... |
| 00:26.13 | ljp | my kitty is fuzzy |
| 00:29.11 | treke | damn. multisync cant handle exchange |
| 00:30.23 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:30.37 | ljp | helps to heat oven before trying to bake something.... |
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| 00:30.42 | ivan | what ipk's would you need to run opie programs on sharp rom? |
| 00:31.00 | mallum | hi, anyone know what happened to udhcp in the buildroot ? |
| 00:37.13 | _Psycho | nope :) |
| 00:38.08 | mallum | ah, its part of busybox :-) |
| 00:42.48 | ljp | food? tv? which is it?! |
| 00:44.52 | ivan | |eating-tv |
| 00:45.13 | ljp | or | eatting tv dinners |
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| 00:48.08 | chouimat|tv | ljp: I just finished my 4 hotdogs a la choucroute |
| 00:48.56 | ljp | eeeeeehhh, shoudl be chouimat|stomacheache |
| 00:49.10 | chouimat|tv | ljp: heheh |
| 00:49.28 | ljp | dallas |
| 00:49.39 | chouimat|tv | ljp? |
| 00:49.55 | ljp | I get a free day vaca in dallas |
| 00:50.02 | ljp | courtesy of TI |
| 00:50.07 | chouimat|tv | ljp: have fun |
| 00:50.14 | ljp | yyyeeehhhhhaaawwww! |
| 00:53.44 | Umaro | okay |
| 00:53.48 | Umaro | stupid question time |
| 00:54.35 | Umaro | I installed the rpms for sharp's crosscompiler.. but what's the arch option I should be using when I compile stuff? |
| 00:54.37 | ljp | I feel like being a lump tonight |
| 00:54.52 | ljp | arm-linux |
| 00:55.08 | ljp | or something like that |
| 00:55.10 | Umaro | kay |
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| 01:08.13 | noda | Moo! |
| 01:08.49 | TheMasterMind1 | sup noda |
| 01:09.01 | noda | I'm almost finished an enormous bout of homework-ness |
| 01:09.29 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 01:09.36 | noda | Trying out a new IRC client, too -- lostirc. It's nice and simple |
| 01:09.54 | noda | And it uses gtkmm so it fits right in with everything else on my desktop |
| 01:11.44 | chouimat|tv | Shogun on tv! laterz |
| 01:13.03 | masticator | blah. |
| 01:13.34 | chouimat|tv | masticator: ? |
| 01:14.38 | masticator | not much, just checking in |
| 01:15.36 | ljp | heh, someone is selling a rom with qtopia 1.6.1 on it |
| 01:16.53 | masticator | heh |
| 01:16.55 | masticator | really |
| 01:17.13 | ljp | ya, $12.99 |
| 01:17.18 | masticator | 1.6.1 isnt exactly a huge improvement over the Z rom |
| 01:17.25 | ljp | no contact info |
| 01:17.30 | masticator | OZ and OPIE is really much more advanded |
| 01:17.39 | masticator | ljp: you heading to dallas to visit Tim? |
| 01:17.50 | ljp | ya |
| 01:17.59 | masticator | I imagine he has a few positions open |
| 01:18.10 | ljp | hmmmm.. could be interesting |
| 01:18.27 | masticator | it sounds like a cool device, I'm looking forward to it |
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| 01:19.44 | ljp | maybe I will get to choose who offers the best deal |
| 01:19.55 | Com[Plex] | why does 3.2 crash so much more than 3.0 did. and yet... 3.0 is in the "stable" feed, and 3.1rc3.1 is in the "testing" feed? |
| 01:19.59 | _Psycho | kergoth back home yet ? |
| 01:20.03 | Com[Plex] | just curious |
| 01:20.25 | ljp | I have no crashing problems |
| 01:20.44 | Com[Plex] | Ill bet. do you have any cf cards? |
| 01:20.55 | Com[Plex] | more than one |
| 01:21.21 | Umaro | I have a 802.11b cf card.. |
| 01:21.38 | Umaro | using 3.2 |
| 01:22.00 | Com[Plex] | uh huh. is that it? |
| 01:22.27 | Com[Plex] | ljp: do you eer switch cf cards? you know. from wifi to compact flash, back to wifi. etc. |
| 01:22.39 | Com[Plex] | takes about 1 minute 35 seconds |
| 01:22.42 | ljp | I would, if I had wifi |
| 01:22.43 | Umaro | I also have an 8meg cf card |
| 01:22.57 | Umaro | and i switch back and forth |
| 01:23.07 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 01:24.02 | ljp | hmm., |
| 01:24.09 | Com[Plex] | takes forever for me. in fact, quite often, it crashes completely, reqwuiring a reset |
| 01:24.14 | Umaro | what kind of problems are you having with it? just slowness? |
| 01:24.21 | Umaro | odd |
| 01:24.35 | Umaro | kismet horks my zaurus |
| 01:24.39 | Com[Plex] | plus, op2 isnt saving my playlists. |
| 01:24.55 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:25.04 | Com[Plex] | and things like leaflet, wich used to work perfectly no longer save the notes I enter <half the time> |
| 01:28.23 | noda | Com[Plex]: for op2: Save the playlist manually, then close and open op2... I think. Something like that. |
| 01:28.45 | Com[Plex] | thats lame it used to wrk fine. |
| 01:29.00 | Com[Plex] | but, I can deal weith that. |
| 01:29.16 | ljp | oh. it should still be there, but I noticed it doesn;t open it correctly. have you tried opening th eplaylist from the lists tab? |
| 01:29.32 | Com[Plex] | ... no.. I havent. |
| 01:29.40 | Com[Plex] | I could try that |
| 01:29.54 | noda | ljp: Hey, maybe in a couple of days I'll be able to look into that xine bug :) |
| 01:29.55 | ljp | if it's not saving on exit, I can fix that |
| 01:30.17 | ljp | noda: cool. good luck |
| 01:30.31 | _Psycho | kergoth |
| 01:30.33 | _Psycho | its monday |
| 01:30.36 | _Psycho | ! |
| 01:30.42 | _Psycho | gcc3.2 is the devil |
| 01:31.10 | Com[Plex] | but yeah. I dont "save" my playlist. I just select files from the audio tab, cclick "add" then click the playlist tab, play a fewm, then close down op2, when I come back, the playlist it empty. |
| 01:32.45 | ljp | ok. |
| 01:32.55 | Com[Plex] | thats odd. I dont have a "load playlist" menu item |
| 01:34.29 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. I see it. just load fiel or url |
| 01:37.01 | Com[Plex] | yep. its nto loading the default.m3u |
| 01:37.19 | _Psycho | anyone else here use gcc 3.2 toolchains ? |
| 01:37.27 | _Psycho | other than kergoth, i mean |
| 01:37.31 | _Psycho | because im about to go crazy |
| 01:38.02 | Com[Plex] | this worked noda. saving it has defaul.m3u [21:36] <noda> Com[Plex]: for op2: Save the playlist manually, then close and open op2... I think. Something like that. |
| 01:38.29 | ljp | Com[Plex]: there's a lists tab that shows your playlists |
| 01:38.45 | Com[Plex] | lol. ahh. look at that |
| 01:40.26 | chouimat|tv | crisse d'orage |
| 01:40.59 | _Psycho | weatherbot: weather CYUL |
| 01:41.14 | _Psycho | hmm |
| 01:41.15 | chouimat|tv | _Psycho: marche plus .... |
| 01:41.19 | _Psycho | oh |
| 01:41.49 | ljp | no weatherbot |
| 01:42.10 | chouimat|tv | maudite bel eclair qui a tomber tres proche .... le chat vient de completement me defaire la cuissee |
| 01:42.24 | _Psycho | cat are stupid :) |
| 01:42.56 | ljp | whhhaa?? hhhuuuuhhh..? |
| 01:43.05 | ljp | it 7:42 |
| 01:43.15 | chouimat|tv | _Psycho: look it was sudently white outside with a big bang ... |
| 01:43.20 | _Psycho | he said like lighiting was close to him, his cat "cut" his leg |
| 01:43.42 | _Psycho | and its 9:42 ;) |
| 01:43.52 | ljp | haha |
| 01:44.01 | ljp | no, its 11:42 am |
| 01:44.16 | Umaro | ljp.. where you at? |
| 01:44.28 | ljp | heheh colorado. I was speaking about brisbane |
| 01:44.28 | _Psycho | chouimat, doesnt rain at all here, pretty nice outside atm |
| 01:44.33 | Umaro | aah |
| 01:44.34 | Umaro | utah here |
| 01:44.44 | Umaro | pretty nice down there? |
| 01:44.54 | ljp | colorado? |
| 01:44.54 | Umaro | yeah |
| 01:45.02 | ljp | ya, beautiful, usually. |
| 01:45.12 | ljp | lots of rain this spring |
| 01:45.17 | Umaro | rain rocks |
| 01:45.35 | ljp | I am probably going to move to where it rains a lot |
| 01:45.36 | Umaro | I want to move to oregon or washington |
| 01:45.37 | scanline | that would hurt |
| 01:45.44 | Umaro | scanline: hehe |
| 01:45.51 | _Psycho | London ljp ? :) |
| 01:46.07 | ljp | what if snow was quartz crystals, instead of water crystals...? |
| 01:46.12 | ljp | Brisbane |
| 01:46.22 | _Psycho | oh ok |
| 01:46.23 | Umaro | I must say, i'm a bit disappointed by the zaurus 5500's battery life |
| 01:46.33 | ljp | ehh, arent we all... |
| 01:46.38 | ljp | :) |
| 01:46.48 | scanline | ljp: what part of colorado are you in again? |
| 01:46.56 | ljp | longmont |
| 01:47.02 | scanline | neat |
| 01:47.18 | ljp | boulder's nice sometimes |
| 01:47.34 | ljp | I have lived there before a few times |
| 01:47.52 | ljp | lived in Farrand Hall for a bit |
| 01:47.57 | scanline | ha |
| 01:48.00 | Umaro | sharp needs to release a insanely-high power battery |
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| 01:49.56 | sonix` | anyone tried this: http://rtsl.cs.ccu.edu.tw/~hus/iPAQ/index-4.html ? |
| 01:51.17 | chouimat|tv | _Psycho: little thunderstorm |
| 01:52.56 | Umaro | has anyone bought one of sharp's wireless serial adapter things? |
| 01:53.47 | TheMasterMind1 | those look cool |
| 01:53.51 | TheMasterMind1 | expensive though |
| 01:54.01 | Umaro | yah |
| 01:54.10 | Umaro | i'm mostly interested in them for the power savings |
| 01:54.22 | Umaro | even with the socket card, the battery goes way too quick. |
| 01:55.03 | sonix` | Umaro it has its own battery? |
| 01:55.17 | Umaro | sonix`: erm? |
| 01:55.28 | sonix` | [21:55:20] <Umaro> i'm mostly interested in them for the power savings |
| 01:55.37 | Umaro | the power savings over wifi |
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| 01:56.49 | chouimat|tv | ibot monday |
| 01:56.50 | | it has been said that monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 01:57.05 | Umaro | heh. |
| 01:58.26 | Umaro | okay guys, so I need help figuring out this whole cross-compile thing |
| 01:59.25 | Umaro | like, i've built my own i386 linux system, and so I understand that part. but the actual part of making it compile for teh zaurus eludes me. |
| 02:01.09 | chouimat | Umaro: it's very simple a cross-coompiler is a compiler that run on say a i386 and produce a binary for another architecture |
| 02:01.19 | Umaro | right, I understand that |
| 02:01.29 | Umaro | so what, I put -march=arm-linux in my cflags? |
| 02:01.45 | Umaro | and then I hope it works? |
| 02:02.32 | chouimat | Umaro: no you must use arm-linux-gcc (or the one for your target) the default gcc is in reality i386-linux-gcc (on a i386) |
| 02:02.54 | tjfontaine | I'm from the Xbox-Linux project, we're going to create an enviroment based on embedded kernels and graphical enviroments to save overhead. Can someone point me to good place to get started on embedded kernels? |
| 02:03.46 | sonix` | haha |
| 02:04.12 | sonix` | tjfontaine www.handhelds.org |
| 02:04.23 | chouimat | tjfontaine: linuxdc.sf.net |
| 02:04.45 | sonix` | how do I know where mandrake puts the kernel? |
| 02:05.00 | tjfontaine | rpm -ql kernel |
| 02:05.25 | sonix` | package kernel is not installed |
| 02:05.45 | tjfontaine | rpm -ql kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk |
| 02:05.52 | tjfontaine | use uname -r to find out |
| 02:06.08 | tjfontaine | rpm -ql kernel-`uname -r` |
| 02:06.28 | tjfontaine | bah if only that would work |
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| 02:06.38 | sonix` | /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel sounds like a reasonable location? |
| 02:06.59 | tjfontaine | actually it boots from /boot, modules go in /lib/modules |
| 02:07.34 | sonix` | this is what i'm doing : http://rtsl.cs.ccu.edu.tw/~hus/iPAQ/index-4.html |
| 02:08.50 | Umaro | yay |
| 02:08.58 | Umaro | i compiled a program for teh zaurus |
| 02:08.59 | Umaro | go me |
| 02:09.08 | sonix` | lucky bastard |
| 02:09.16 | Umaro | now, I need the qt libs, right? |
| 02:09.22 | sonix` | i've been trying to do that for 2 wks now |
| 02:09.28 | Umaro | if I expect to compile graphical stuff for opie? |
| 02:09.56 | sonix` | Umaro which guide did ya follow? |
| 02:10.25 | Umaro | there's a guide? |
| 02:10.30 | Umaro | I just compiled a simple program |
| 02:10.39 | sonix` | Umaro how did u setup your environment |
| 02:10.43 | sonix` | your cross compiler |
| 02:10.53 | Umaro | I installed the rpms that sharp had on their devsite. |
| 02:11.40 | sonix` | ah |
| 02:11.42 | sonix` | an it works? |
| 02:11.44 | sonix` | quite amazing. |
| 02:11.51 | sonix` | which distrib are you running? |
| 02:12.17 | Umaro | redhat 9 |
| 02:12.24 | sonix` | weird. |
| 02:12.28 | sonix` | didnt work here when I installed it |
| 02:12.37 | sonix` | i didnt have gcc 2.95 installed |
| 02:12.48 | sonix` | i think i need that for any Z development |
| 02:13.07 | tjfontaine | thats why red hat needs something better than apt for rpm |
| 02:13.29 | djr | i want to get a development environment going... build and compile the feed muhself for my own use |
| 02:13.38 | Umaro | djr: yeah, me too |
| 02:13.59 | djr | cause i want to add stuff and so on |
| 02:14.05 | djr | and then do opie stuff |
| 02:16.41 | ljp | opie?!? |
| 02:16.48 | ljp | who wants opie?? |
| 02:17.03 | djr | ?! |
| 02:17.04 | djr | i dunno |
| 02:17.15 | Umaro | my zaurus: 8:17pm up 5:48, load average: 41.03, 18.48, 8.34 |
| 02:17.33 | Umaro | I am stress testing it. :) |
| 02:18.00 | ljp | dos it |
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| 02:18.56 | sonix` | Umaro you just followed the guide and it works? |
| 02:19.10 | sonix` | for setting up ur environment |
| 02:19.15 | Umaro | no dude, i installed the 4 rpms and compiled a simple program |
| 02:19.23 | Umaro | that doesn't depend on anything important |
| 02:19.29 | sonix` | wtf? |
| 02:19.32 | sonix` | thats weird! |
| 02:19.42 | sonix` | it fails when I make the program |
| 02:19.45 | sonix` | example/ |
| 02:19.46 | sonix` | example. |
| 02:26.44 | Umaro | I should install perl on my zaurus. |
| 02:29.17 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg install perl |
| 02:29.26 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be in untsable |
| 02:29.30 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: here? |
| 02:38.57 | Umaro | the 5600 battery won't fit in the 5500, right? |
| 02:39.28 | Umaro | it should fit. hmm. |
| 02:39.49 | Umaro | can anyone verify that? |
| 02:40.35 | sonix` | it wont. |
| 02:40.44 | sonix` | because they designed it differently. |
| 02:40.46 | Umaro | you're sure? it says the dimensions are the same |
| 02:40.52 | Umaro | and they use the same voltage |
| 02:40.54 | sonix` | there's a lock or something that doesnt allow you to interchange |
| 02:41.03 | Umaro | lame |
| 02:41.05 | sonix` | Umaro search the dev forums. |
| 02:41.20 | Umaro | what's up with that? |
| 02:44.40 | sonix` | Umaro there must be something to it |
| 02:44.47 | sonix` | maybe the charging circuit would fuck up |
| 02:47.35 | sonix` | whats an mdk? |
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| 03:01.30 | masticator | wazzaa. |
| 03:03.10 | chouimat | masticator: bothin |
| 03:03.16 | chouimat | errrr nothing |
| 03:04.12 | sonix` | heh |
| 03:04.31 | sonix` | masticator help me setup the devel environment man |
| 03:04.58 | chouimat | masticator: yoou anything new? |
| 03:05.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ... |
| 03:05.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz toolchain |
| 03:05.18 | | somebody said oz toolchain was http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 03:05.18 | TheMasterMind1 | get that |
| 03:05.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz buildroot |
| 03:05.19 | | [oz bk] bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 03:05.45 | sonix` | TheMasterMind1 isnt that for Opie devel? |
| 03:05.49 | sonix` | i'm just doing qpe |
| 03:09.18 | kergoth | opie is qtopia compatible, you can use opie to develop qtopia apps |
| 03:09.35 | sonix` | i doubt its gonna work |
| 03:09.45 | kergoth | eh? |
| 03:09.46 | sonix` | hey kergoth u want ssh into my box and set it up for me :-D |
| 03:09.48 | kergoth | it works just fine. |
| 03:09.53 | kergoth | bah, slacker |
| 03:09.55 | sonix` | it wont work, i've been redoing it for a week now |
| 03:09.58 | sonix` | no i tried man! |
| 03:10.08 | sonix` | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=602e687ebdd9e5f88a8c18670523da13&act=ST&f=5&t=2677&st=0&#entry16271 |
| 03:10.12 | _Psycho | kergoth, btw i still had the same, error after a pull, mrpropper, i redid 3.2-initial, glibc-2.3.1 build fine, cross-gcc/3.2 just dont find osme include file |
| 03:10.12 | sonix` | see! |
| 03:10.21 | _Psycho | tried like 45 min and gave up |
| 03:10.24 | kergoth | 1) grab a toolchain, http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/. 2) opie.handhelds.org |
| 03:10.29 | kergoth | _Psycho: weird, it still builds fine here |
| 03:10.39 | masticator | kergoth: you get your 56 yet? |
| 03:10.49 | kergoth | masticator: naw not yet |
| 03:10.50 | sonix` | kergoth alright i'll do it one more time... stay put! |
| 03:11.11 | sonix` | kergoth all of them? |
| 03:11.32 | _Psycho | i thought its was because he doesnt point in the good path ? i saw some dir like /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib/arm-linux when there is file in /usr/local/arm/3.2/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux etc, anyway i tried to add that to my local path, etc not sure what i miss at all |
| 03:11.39 | _Psycho | could it be local development file ? |
| 03:12.24 | kergoth | sonix`: just grab cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 03:12.32 | kergoth | _Psycho: the paths are correct |
| 03:12.35 | sonix` | i thougt so |
| 03:12.38 | kergoth | _Psycho: if they werent, it wouldnt work here |
| 03:12.40 | sonix` | 33% done |
| 03:12.50 | _Psycho | also he never did initial by himself |
| 03:12.51 | kergoth | _Psycho: do this. cat .config|grep TOOLCHAIN |
| 03:13.01 | sonix` | faster!!!! |
| 03:13.04 | sonix` | grrr |
| 03:13.25 | _Psycho | well /usr/local/arm |
| 03:13.43 | _Psycho | do i need to add 3.2 ? |
| 03:13.55 | _Psycho | i thought the gcc3 and 3.2 below was doing that |
| 03:13.55 | kergoth | what part of the paths are correct did you fail to understand? |
| 03:13.58 | kergoth | just do what i say. |
| 03:14.05 | kergoth | cat .config|grep TOOLCHAIN |
| 03:14.11 | _Psycho | well /usr/local/arm <- |
| 03:14.18 | kergoth | what? |
| 03:14.25 | kergoth | IT ADDS THE GCC VERSION ITSELF |
| 03:14.31 | _Psycho | CONFIG_TOOLCHAINPATH="/usr/local/arm" |
| 03:14.32 | kergoth | read the help page on the path in menuconfig |
| 03:14.39 | _Psycho | god thats what i just said |
| 03:14.42 | kergoth | why does no one ever listen? |
| 03:14.56 | kergoth | the paths are correct. |
| 03:15.04 | kergoth | should i say it again? |
| 03:15.06 | kergoth | the paths are correct. |
| 03:15.11 | _Psycho | ok |
| 03:15.19 | _Psycho | so. it doesnt work =p |
| 03:15.20 | _Psycho | haha |
| 03:15.30 | kergoth | cat .config|grep TOOLCHAIN\ |
| 03:15.31 | kergoth | cat .config|grep TOOLCHAIN |
| 03:15.35 | _Psycho | yes so ? |
| 03:15.40 | _Psycho | CONFIG_TOOLCHAINPATH="/usr/local/arm" |
| 03:15.43 | kergoth | no |
| 03:15.49 | kergoth | i dont give a flying fuck about TOOLCHAINPATH |
| 03:15.54 | kergoth | i'm talking about CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN |
| 03:16.01 | _Psycho | there is none |
| 03:16.05 | _Psycho | oh god |
| 03:16.07 | _Psycho | ! |
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| 03:16.28 | kergoth | thats why its not working. now to figure out why. |
| 03:16.34 | kergoth | which is exactly what i suspected. |
| 03:16.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:16.38 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 03:16.40 | _Psycho | woo hoo ! |
| 03:16.45 | _Psycho | ok |
| 03:17.10 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.11 | kergoth | CONFIG_TOOLCHAINPATH="/usr/local/arm" |
| 03:17.11 | kergoth | CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN=y |
| 03:17.14 | kergoth | ^^^^ |
| 03:17.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:17.16 | sonix` | kergoth bunzip2 filename.tar.bz2 right/ |
| 03:17.17 | _Psycho | I like how you knoe the answer, but dont want to give out =p |
| 03:17.21 | sonix` | taking a while... |
| 03:17.27 | TCMAN | kergoth: quick question, any chance for new hostap-0.0.1 driver in next release ? |
| 03:17.44 | kergoth | _Psycho: what are you talking about? |
| 03:17.49 | kergoth | _Psycho: i told you to grep for TOOLCHAIN |
| 03:17.55 | kergoth | _Psycho: instead of pasting the results, you try and figure it out yourself |
| 03:17.57 | _Psycho | yes ijnow |
| 03:18.00 | masticator | kergoth: yet another monster coming |
| 03:18.01 | kergoth | _Psycho: when i couldve told you in 30 seconds. |
| 03:18.23 | kergoth | sonix`: mkdir /usr/local/arm; cd /usr/local/arm; tar jxf /path/to/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 03:18.23 | masticator | Itanic 2 madison |
| 03:18.39 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.39 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.39 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.39 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.44 | kergoth | _Psycho: ^^^^ |
| 03:18.46 | masticator | somehow I gather our current box is gonna smoke it |
| 03:18.49 | kergoth | _Psycho: you dont have gcc-3.2 enabled. |
| 03:19.13 | kergoth | _Psycho: if 3.2 is enabled in the config, then its not enabled beacuse you didnt enable glibc 2.3.1 |
| 03:19.25 | chouimat | wow! mozart alla turca on a stratocaster |
| 03:19.32 | kergoth | which, incidentally, explains exactly why the deps werent followed. |
| 03:19.44 | kergoth | masticator: ah |
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| 03:19.57 | masticator | I dont think it will be as easy to port to |
| 03:20.02 | masticator | not even close |
| 03:20.24 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.32 | masticator | the Opteron has been pretty useful so far |
| 03:20.33 | _Psycho | [*] Gcc3 toolchain avalaible for use (3.2) version of existing gcc3 toolchain |
| 03:20.39 | masticator | since it runs all regular linux stuff |
| 03:20.58 | kergoth | _Psycho: then glibc 2.3.1 isnt enabled. gcc pass 2 wont run if glibc isnt enabled, only pass 1 will run |
| 03:21.05 | _Psycho | well glibc is and compiled fine |
| 03:21.07 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.07 | tz-zaurus | masticator: whats that? |
| 03:21.11 | kergoth | _Psycho: which is why, when you use SUBDIRS to force it, the deps didnt work |
| 03:21.15 | kergoth | _Psycho: well, it works just flawlessly here |
| 03:21.19 | kergoth | _Psycho: with a freshly cloned tree. |
| 03:21.33 | kergoth | _Psycho: your tree is fucked up. period. rm .config. copy a new config over and enable the shit again. |
| 03:21.38 | _Psycho | ok |
| 03:22.27 | tz-zaurus | hmm |
| 03:22.57 | tz-zaurus | opie-irc has not tab completion... :-( |
| 03:23.09 | kergoth | tz-zaurus: try irssi in console? :) |
| 03:23.11 | sonix` | kergoth whats the command to extract a .tar? |
| 03:23.18 | sonix` | tar jxf works? |
| 03:23.26 | kergoth | sonix`: tar jxf extracts a tar.bz2 |
| 03:23.28 | tz-zaurus | kergoth :-) |
| 03:23.30 | sonix` | grrr |
| 03:23.31 | kergoth | sonix`: tar xf extracts a .tar |
| 03:23.34 | sonix` | aha |
| 03:23.35 | sonix` | thx |
| 03:23.36 | kergoth | sonix`: read the damn man page |
| 03:23.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:24.04 | sonix` | i bet you 5 bucks its not gonna work |
| 03:24.08 | sonix` | well |
| 03:24.09 | sonix` | wont work today |
| 03:24.15 | kergoth | I'll bet you 20 bucks its user error |
| 03:24.18 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:24.24 | sonix` | hah! |
| 03:24.26 | TheMasterMind1 | KCI error |
| 03:24.29 | sonix` | i can read english you know! |
| 03:24.31 | tz-zaurus | PEBKAC |
| 03:24.35 | sonix` | i've been following the guide |
| 03:24.42 | sonix` | kergoth next step? |
| 03:24.48 | kergoth | opie.handhelds.org |
| 03:24.52 | sonix` | k |
| 03:24.52 | kergoth | click the 'code' link |
| 03:24.54 | kergoth | read it |
| 03:24.59 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:26.08 | _Psycho | ok new .config |
| 03:26.08 | sonix` | kergoth do the cvs thing? |
| 03:26.10 | _Psycho | mrproper |
| 03:26.40 | kergoth | _Psycho: if CONFIG_TOOLCHAIN isnt y, dont even bother doing the build. |
| 03:26.50 | kergoth | if you enabled gcc, and enabled glibc, it will be. |
| 03:27.19 | _Psycho | i know |
| 03:27.22 | _Psycho | is doesnt say yes |
| 03:27.32 | _Psycho | retrying some stuff... |
| 03:27.46 | kergoth | cat .config|grep GCC |
| 03:27.49 | kergoth | cat .config|grep GLIBC |
| 03:27.51 | kergoth | paste them. |
| 03:28.02 | _Psycho | bah i got it |
| 03:28.04 | _Psycho | bleh |
| 03:28.09 | _Psycho | it was gcc-cross compiler |
| 03:28.10 | _Psycho | god i suck |
| 03:28.12 | _Psycho | never saw it |
| 03:28.30 | kergoth | note to self: enabling gcc before building gcc helps |
| 03:28.34 | kergoth | heh! |
| 03:28.56 | _Psycho | well i start a compile and go bed |
| 03:29.13 | _Psycho | actually i think i wait to see if he do initial (should) |
| 03:29.18 | kergoth | masticator: head to dallas tomorrow, wish me luck |
| 03:29.49 | sonix` | what for? |
| 03:30.33 | kergoth | interview |
| 03:30.40 | kergoth | bbl, gonna watch a dvd and get some sleep |
| 03:30.42 | sonix` | coo |
| 03:30.50 | sonix` | skerred? |
| 03:30.56 | sonix` | that u'r losing the bet? |
| 03:30.57 | masticator | kergoth: god speed. |
| 03:30.57 | kergoth | heh, i dont get nervous |
| 03:30.58 | sonix` | its okay |
| 03:31.02 | kergoth | itll go how it goes |
| 03:31.05 | sonix` | i understand |
| 03:31.13 | masticator | kergoth`bbl: btw, we will have a very good idea about finances tomorrow |
| 03:31.21 | kergoth`bbl | masticator: cool, keep me posted |
| 03:31.23 | kergoth`bbl | night |
| 03:31.28 | sonix` | g'night |
| 03:31.31 | masticator | have a good trip |
| 03:31.34 | masticator | say hello to tim |
| 03:31.38 | _Psycho | good luck :) |
| 03:33.39 | sonix` | masticator where does kergoth live? |
| 03:33.41 | sonix` | which state. |
| 03:34.03 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: good luck |
| 03:37.13 | sonix` | [sonix@stalin qt-2.3.5]$ uic -version |
| 03:37.13 | sonix` | bash: uic: command not found |
| 03:37.15 | sonix` | damnit!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 03:38.04 | sonix` | wait wait! |
| 03:38.10 | sonix` | [sonix@stalin bin]$ which uic |
| 03:38.10 | sonix` | which: no uic in (/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/home/sonix/bin) |
| 03:38.15 | sonix` | is that what i'm expected? |
| 03:39.09 | chouimat | sonix`: where qt2 is installed on your box? |
| 03:39.20 | sonix` | i'm installing it as we speak |
| 03:39.27 | sonix` | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/BuildingQtForOpie |
| 03:39.29 | sonix` | thats where i am |
| 03:40.25 | sonix` | ugh |
| 03:40.28 | sonix` | teh confusion! |
| 03:41.44 | sonix` | ideas? anyone? |
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| 03:52.53 | DrZaius | i've got a zaurus running oz3.2 that crashes pretty frequently after getting put onto the cradle |
| 03:53.05 | DrZaius | it doesn't seem to happen unless it's suspended before, I think |
| 03:53.15 | DrZaius | it's kinda tricky to reproduce it. hangs hard |
| 03:53.26 | DrZaius | but, well, anyone else notice that kinda thing happening? |
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| 04:16.06 | sonix` | rm: remove directory `qt-x11-free-3.1.2/'? y |
| 04:16.06 | sonix` | rm: cannot remove directory `qt-x11-free-3.1.2/': Is a directory |
| 04:16.09 | sonix` | wtf ? |
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| 06:16.41 | sonix` | aaah! |
| 06:16.46 | sonix` | *confusion* |
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| 06:24.37 | sonix` | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 06:24.38 | sonix` | make[2]: *** [moc] Error 1 |
| 06:24.38 | sonix` | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sonix/qt-2.3.5/src/moc' |
| 06:24.38 | sonix` | make[1]: *** [src-moc] Error 2 |
| 06:24.39 | sonix` | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sonix/qt-2.3.5' |
| 06:24.39 | sonix` | make: *** [init] Error 2 |
| 06:24.50 | sonix` | why why why why did it fail? :( |
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| 06:34.42 | sonix` | mornin' |
| 06:34.57 | sonix` | i hate how ppl go to sleep so early |
| 06:34.58 | sonix` | freaks! |
| 06:35.03 | ||ugh | sonix`, there is not enough of the message from ld to figure out your problem. |
| 06:35.06 | sonix` | u'll havent discovered naptime! |
| 06:35.21 | sonix` | I'm retrying in gcc |
| 06:35.22 | sonix` | 3.2 |
| 06:35.32 | sonix` | takign a while therefore it works |
| 06:35.32 | sonix` | lol |
| 06:37.07 | ||ugh | Good luck. |
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| 10:43.27 | geordieboozer | Hi guys, I was on yesterday and I was having problems with my ext2 sd card |
| 10:43.42 | geordieboozer | I've since mkfs-ed it again and reinstalled some stuff |
| 10:43.51 | geordieboozer | but the same problem occurs... |
| 10:44.01 | geordieboozer | # ls |
| 10:44.01 | geordieboozer | ls: home-backup.tar.bz2: Value too large for defined data type |
| 10:45.11 | troffasky | You might want to wait until people have woken up |
| 10:45.26 | geordieboozer | I should probably wait until I wake up |
| 10:46.43 | geordieboozer | anyhoo, if anyone has any ideas how to solve it, I'd welcome them |
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| 12:41.41 | ljp | someone has english tr c700 for sale for $425.. |
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| 12:51.35 | ljp | I'm sure the price will come down on them |
| 12:51.56 | pHluid | It's a 5600 with a flip screen, no backlight, and shorter battery life, is all it really seems like |
| 12:52.07 | pHluid | Though I do like the flip clamshell/tablet design a lot |
| 12:52.33 | pHluid | Or sorry, it is backlit, just non-reflective (if I understand correctly) |
| 12:53.04 | ljp | frontlight, I think, like the 5500 |
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| 12:56.15 | pHluid | Whatever, it's a pain in the ass to read in bright light by all accounts :) |
| 13:04.25 | numatrix | kergoth`bbl: sorry for the long delay, been absolutely slammed with work and working on a new condo (26hours in two days at work, and 9 hours the day before fixing a leak in the condo...) |
| 13:05.03 | numatrix | kergoth`bbl: Anyway, the sdl patch ~is~ in cvs now, so pretty much all we need is sdl cvs and we should be good. I'll try to do some more checking with the buildroot when I get a chance to see how well it works. |
| 13:13.46 | absentia | re |
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| 13:14.26 | absentia | yes, it is backlit |
| 13:14.32 | absentia | but doesn't look good in direct sunlight |
| 13:14.37 | absentia | although, that's a rarity for me.... |
| 13:14.45 | absentia | even in light... on a train, anywhere, it's beautiful. |
| 13:14.55 | ljp | well, if its like the 5500, its frontlight |
| 13:15.00 | absentia | I don't like the fact that the pxa250 is flawed... or people say it's slower than the cpu in the 5500 |
| 13:15.16 | absentia | ok, backlight, front light... I don't nkow. I see a line of light on the top and bottom. |
| 13:15.22 | absentia | maybe that's the front light, etc. |
| 13:15.28 | absentia | it's definitely non reflective |
| 13:15.28 | absentia | :-) |
| 13:15.31 | ljp | yup :) |
| 13:15.41 | absentia | anyway, it's still awesome, because of the 640x480 screen |
| 13:16.01 | absentia | although |
| 13:16.06 | absentia | after flashing back from sharp to oz last night |
| 13:16.21 | absentia | when my sd is in, the oz busy indicator comes up, but then it locks until IO power off |
| 13:16.28 | absentia | I figure I just have to fsck the card, or something |
| 13:17.43 | absentia | what's also neat, unless you blow it away |
| 13:17.50 | absentia | if you don't muck with the second partition when you use oz |
| 13:17.59 | absentia | if you flash back to sharp and you had a dynamism unit |
| 13:18.05 | absentia | you have all your localizations still intact |
| 13:18.06 | absentia | :-) |
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| 13:29.29 | cyn | pHluid: the higher res isn't a selling point at all in your opinion? :P the thumbboard is also a *lot* nicer imo |
| 13:29.47 | pHluid | Of course it's a selling point |
| 13:29.55 | pHluid | The question was whether it was worth $500 |
| 13:30.02 | pHluid | Which I don't think it is. |
| 13:30.16 | pHluid | $300, maybe $400, but $500+? nah. |
| 13:30.36 | cyn | the 5600 is $400 |
| 13:30.44 | pHluid | The new iPaq with integrated bluetooth and 802.11b and a freaking digital thumbprint scanner is only $500 |
| 13:30.49 | cyn | I certainly don't see the 5600 as anywhere near the value of the c700 |
| 13:30.54 | pHluid | the 5600 is overpriced, too, imho |
| 13:31.22 | cyn | imo there's just no comparison because no other pdas have 640x480, and that alone makes it worth it |
| 13:31.35 | cyn | when the nexio comes out we can start comparing :P |
| 13:31.44 | pHluid | 640x480 is nice and all, but it's not *necessary* for me |
| 13:31.47 | cyn | tho I think nexio might be too big, I don't recall |
| 13:31.55 | pHluid | For that price, just buy a damn laptop |
| 13:32.02 | cyn | $500 isn't a laptop |
| 13:32.10 | pHluid | $700 is |
| 13:32.14 | cyn | I have a super budget laptop, after insane rebates it was $700 |
| 13:32.34 | cyn | well a laptop doesn't fit in my pocket, unless its an underpowered libretto from days of old |
| 13:33.05 | cyn | fn+n opens a new tab in NetFront - how the hell do you close tabs? |
| 13:33.07 | pHluid | Guess it's all a matter of what you need |
| 13:33.14 | cyn | to each his own :) |
| 13:33.26 | pHluid | I'm not trying to watch DivX in native res and shit, so. :) |
| 13:33.50 | cyn | I tend to be near power a fair bit (bought a spare battery just the same) and don't get too much direct sunlight when I can use my pda - so it's fine for me |
| 13:34.36 | cyn | I doubt the processor could handle movies much larger than 320x240 actually heh |
| 13:34.38 | pHluid | Portability (including ease of use anywhere and long battery life, as well as size) and function are all that matter to me |
| 13:34.43 | cyn | until we get some good optimization |
| 13:35.18 | cyn | I think they're essentially the same size aren't they |
| 13:35.29 | cyn | like, c700 is wider, 5600/5500 is taller |
| 13:35.37 | pHluid | I wasn't bringing size into the comparison |
| 13:35.45 | cyn | I'm just askin |
| 13:35.49 | pHluid | Just clarifying that when I say "portability" I mean all the factors |
| 13:36.04 | pHluid | Yeh, I think they are basically the same size |
| 13:36.11 | pHluid | C700 I think is actually a tad smaller |
| 13:36.14 | cyn | I wonder if the c700's ac adapter works with 5500/5600 |
| 13:36.19 | pHluid | Cause it's not much wider, I don't think |
| 13:36.22 | cyn | because it's totally pocketable |
| 13:36.30 | pHluid | Oh? |
| 13:36.47 | pHluid | That would be awesome if it did, the 5x00 ac adapter fucking blows. |
| 13:36.50 | cyn | yah I coil it up a bit and throw it in a small pocket |
| 13:37.03 | cyn | damn I should find someone around here with a 5500 or 5600 |
| 13:37.08 | cyn | maybe someone has already tried it |
| 13:37.14 | ljp_ | I have a 5000d |
| 13:37.21 | pHluid | If the power ratings are the same they should have the same connectors |
| 13:37.27 | cyn | [someone around here as in where I am physically :)] |
| 13:37.32 | cyn | pHluid: should |
| 13:37.35 | ljp_ | heh |
| 13:37.35 | cyn | ... heh |
| 13:37.37 | pHluid | Unfortunately I don't have my AC adapter here with me to tell you the power rating on it |
| 13:37.42 | pHluid | Anybody got theirs handy? |
| 13:38.09 | cyn | 5600 might be different coz it may want more current to charge that big bad battery |
| 13:38.20 | cyn | or rather, it might be able to accept more current |
| 13:38.28 | cyn | it could still charge with lower, just be slower |
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| 13:39.00 | pHluid | I can tell you my 5000d's adapter is 5v, 6.8w, 2a |
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| 13:39.37 | cyn | 5v 1.0a on the c700 |
| 13:39.41 | cyn | doesn't list wattage |
| 13:40.13 | pHluid | Should say wattage on the back of the c700 itself |
| 13:40.25 | pHluid | If it's 1a I'll almost guarantee it's a diff connector though :\ |
| 13:40.27 | absentia | re |
| 13:40.33 | absentia | sorry I missed that discussion |
| 13:40.35 | cyn | if it says it, it doesn't in english :) |
| 13:40.44 | pHluid | On the flipside, that's what my cell phone uses, and the ac adapter on my cell phone is tiny |
| 13:40.44 | absentia | I think the c700 is worth $550 |
| 13:40.49 | absentia | don't pay for the english conversion, though. |
| 13:40.50 | pHluid | Like MAYBE the size of a D-cell battery |
| 13:41.06 | absentia | I bought an extra battery for long[er] trips. |
| 13:41.16 | absentia | and, yes, the keyboard is really nice |
| 13:41.19 | absentia | of course, when it works. |
| 13:41.21 | absentia | :-) |
| 13:42.03 | cyn | this ac adapter is 5 cf cards thick and the same size as them +1cm in each direction, but rounded out on edges and corners |
| 13:42.18 | cyn | cf1 |
| 13:42.25 | cyn | not, like, microdrives - just normal cf |
| 13:43.25 | absentia | the c700 ac adapter has the really neat flip prongs |
| 13:43.38 | absentia | so you don't damage stuff if you pack the adapter near things. |
| 13:44.31 | cyn | yah that's a nice part of the portability |
| 13:44.39 | cyn | folding into the unit sideways |
| 13:44.57 | cyn | but it doesn't flip down like most, which is always a bitch to get back out |
| 13:46.05 | absentia | ya |
| 13:46.11 | absentia | I was thinking |
| 13:46.16 | absentia | if the c700 only had 128mb RAM |
| 13:46.20 | absentia | which cuoldn't have been all that expensive |
| 13:46.25 | absentia | and a pxa255 w/ cache |
| 13:46.51 | absentia | and... perhaps... built in 802.11b or 802.11g ... it would be everything I'd need. period. |
| 13:47.11 | absentia | right now,k it's 85% .. and I can use it for what I want... until what I want IS available. |
| 13:47.51 | absentia | what I miss, is the ability to compile qt/opie apps on the unit (x apps?) with oz. |
| 13:48.07 | absentia | I'm sure that will be there in time -- I just don't have another system to do a buildroot or cross compiling. |
| 13:50.10 | cyn | I don't agree with the idea of, for instance, builtin 802.11b or g or anything |
| 13:50.19 | cyn | what if I want to use this pda for the next 15 years |
| 13:50.50 | cyn | surely there'll be some other wireless standard kicking about, and that's wasted weight and bulk (and cost) i have to carry around |
| 13:50.58 | cyn | I much prefer CF expansion for devices |
| 13:51.07 | absentia | I don't like the idea |
| 13:51.10 | absentia | but if it's ceap. |
| 13:51.12 | absentia | cheap... |
| 13:51.18 | absentia | I don't see paying another $80 for it |
| 13:51.19 | pHluid | Go QtopiaDesktop. |
| 13:51.22 | pHluid | Way to freaking crash. |
| 13:51.24 | absentia | just get a card, but when card space is limited, etc. |
| 13:51.40 | absentia | I do like the 128mb cf + wifi card |
| 13:51.41 | absentia | that's very nice |
| 13:51.51 | absentia | cyn: not really. |
| 13:51.53 | cyn | yeah it'd be nicer if they did 2 cf drives - or if they frickin fixed their sd/mmc driver |
| 13:52.04 | cyn | what not really |
| 13:52.09 | absentia | it should be possible to put the chip on the main board, and have some lead to the outside, etc.... |
| 13:52.21 | cyn | it's still added cost |
| 13:52.23 | absentia | what's wrong with the sd/mmc driver? |
| 13:52.27 | cyn | even if it's not *much* added weight |
| 13:52.31 | cyn | the sd/mmc driver is crap man |
| 13:52.49 | pHluid | fucking shit |
| 13:52.51 | absentia | cyn: perhaps.. but if you bought the components of anything separately, it would cost 5x as much as the unit when already pre-combined |
| 13:52.56 | absentia | especially for legacy items. |
| 13:52.56 | cyn | copy a 10 meg file from the 'rom' on the drive to a sd or mmc card |
| 13:52.58 | cyn | watch it fail |
| 13:53.02 | pHluid | is there something with Qtopia Desktop and synching over a lan? |
| 13:53.05 | absentia | why not just have 802.11b just there. |
| 13:53.15 | pHluid | Shit has crashed on me 4 times in 4 different ways so far |
| 13:53.19 | absentia | fail forever? |
| 13:53.24 | absentia | or just fail write? |
| 13:53.26 | cyn | absentia: I told you, because I don't wanna pay for something that I won't use |
| 13:53.29 | cyn | fail until you unmount remount |
| 13:53.32 | absentia | I wrote a lot of files to my sd last night under sharp |
| 13:53.37 | cyn | and the copy's incomplete |
| 13:53.39 | absentia | now when the sd is inserted into oz |
| 13:53.43 | cyn | you can write to it |
| 13:53.45 | absentia | I get the busy indicator, but the machine is locked. |
| 13:53.51 | cyn | but it'll 'die' if you write too large a file |
| 13:53.56 | cyn | it might just be writing too much data at once |
| 13:54.13 | absentia | cyn: ya, fine.. (1) you say that now and (2) everyone else... probably WOULD use it. |
| 13:54.18 | cyn | overwhelming however they implemented actually writing |
| 13:54.25 | cyn | absentia: I agree it would be useful |
| 13:54.32 | absentia | and |
| 13:54.33 | absentia | I agree with you |
| 13:54.36 | cyn | but everytime they integrate a fscking wireless or bluetooth or something |
| 13:54.40 | cyn | they remove something |
| 13:54.41 | absentia | it shouldn't add (much) weight .. and certainly not $80 to the tag |
| 13:54.50 | absentia | again |
| 13:54.52 | cyn | does that bluetooth/802.11b have any expansion |
| 13:54.57 | absentia | that's not necessarily true either. |
| 13:55.02 | cyn | i expect it has one for memory/etc. |
| 13:55.08 | cyn | nothing's neccessarily true |
| 13:55.10 | cyn | it never is |
| 13:55.27 | cyn | but on the whole, they add a feature, they have to cut costs, and they remove something to compensate |
| 13:56.15 | cyn | "they have integrated wireless, so they only need memory expansion" -> *consumer screwed* |
| 13:57.18 | az4thoth | A |
| 13:58.09 | absentia | what is bluetooth |
| 13:58.10 | absentia | anyway? |
| 13:58.26 | absentia | I mean, why wuold I want bluetooth over 802.11g ? |
| 13:58.35 | cyn | because they're totally unrelated |
| 13:58.44 | cyn | bluetooth is essentially irda replacement |
| 13:59.01 | cyn | it's low power short range wireless with profiles |
| 13:59.18 | absentia | like I said |
| 13:59.20 | cyn | so you can share files, do tcp/ip, there's a 'headset' profile for cellphones, etc. |
| 13:59.23 | absentia | why would I care about that ? |
| 13:59.33 | cyn | you apparently wouldn't because you still don't understand |
| 13:59.49 | cyn | "wireless" as in no wires - not as in "I'm on the internet!" |
| 14:00.09 | cyn | no more lining pdas up to beam business cards - do it across the table @ the board meeting |
| 14:00.10 | absentia | unless I egt power wireless |
| 14:00.27 | cyn | right, like I said, you don't care about it - don't worry |
| 14:00.40 | absentia | why not just use wireless 802.11 to "beam" cards? |
| 14:00.43 | cyn | it should finally be getting down to the 5-10 dollar range |
| 14:00.51 | cyn | because you can't? |
| 14:00.56 | absentia | why not ? |
| 14:01.04 | cyn | okay |
| 14:01.05 | cyn | technically |
| 14:01.25 | cyn | you could have an app that binds another ip set, a 'beaming range' say - and hopefully you're not already using said ip addresses elsewhere |
| 14:01.32 | cyn | then you could ad-hoc handshake with the other wireless card |
| 14:01.39 | absentia | exactly |
| 14:01.39 | absentia | :-) |
| 14:01.41 | cyn | and then you could initiate some sort of dcc |
| 14:01.49 | cyn | it would have to be some established protocol |
| 14:01.49 | absentia | now you're thinkin' |
| 14:02.05 | cyn | because noone would want to leave ftp open or anything, and there would certainly be no username stuff going on |
| 14:02.16 | cyn | no - the point is it's a huge implementation mess |
| 14:02.34 | cyn | because wireless is handling tcp/ip connectivity |
| 14:02.46 | absentia | ok |
| 14:02.59 | absentia | so this is basically like fsp |
| 14:03.01 | cyn | but the main reason is because wireless is much higher power requirements and you don't want to leave it on all the time just to stumble past an area and get a traffic warning |
| 14:03.03 | absentia | broadcast udp |
| 14:03.04 | absentia | :-) |
| 14:03.20 | cyn | the point is to leave bluetooth 'always on' and use it for local notifications |
| 14:03.26 | cyn | that's the "vision" anyway |
| 14:03.28 | cyn | in addition to beaming and such |
| 14:03.29 | absentia | well, is it more to send or receive? |
| 14:03.39 | absentia | you could easily have a selection of what you want to RECEIVE.. and have a sensor sensing. |
| 14:03.41 | absentia | and receive. |
| 14:03.43 | cyn | it takes more power to send pretty much regardless |
| 14:03.53 | absentia | then only power up to "Return the Favor" ... if you have that selected |
| 14:03.56 | cyn | it still takes a good chunk of power to stay on |
| 14:04.08 | absentia | I still don't see any need for two completely different technologies |
| 14:04.11 | cyn | bluetooth idles at like at least a tenth of the power |
| 14:04.16 | cyn | you just said it |
| 14:04.20 | cyn | they're completely different |
| 14:04.26 | absentia | k |
| 14:04.43 | cyn | should my cellphone headset have to implement the goddamn tcp/ip stack and be properly configured so i can talk on it through my cellphone |
| 14:04.49 | absentia | I think the issue here is power cells |
| 14:04.54 | absentia | not wireless consumption |
| 14:04.54 | absentia | :-) |
| 14:04.56 | cyn | how do i configure it, holding down the single button on it |
| 14:05.03 | cyn | no the issue is complexity |
| 14:05.09 | absentia | get some of those pill sized power cells good for 72 hours straight... |
| 14:05.14 | absentia | we won't care about power drain |
| 14:05.24 | cyn | 802.11a/b/g are all way more complex than bluetooth from an implementation standpoint |
| 14:05.30 | absentia | you're making this up |
| 14:05.38 | cyn | I'm going to stop talking now |
| 14:05.39 | absentia | tcpip "stacks" (hate that term) .... |
| 14:05.41 | cyn | because you're not worth it |
| 14:05.46 | absentia | aren't necessarily complicated... |
| 14:05.52 | absentia | and configuring them is not complicated. |
| 14:06.00 | absentia | microsoft can MAKE it seem complicated. |
| 14:06.06 | cyn | they are to a headset that doesn't know anything beyond "associate" "send" "recieve" |
| 14:06.10 | cyn | holy christ |
| 14:06.19 | cyn | someone ban him hes fucking trolling |
| 14:06.28 | absentia | just talking. |
| 14:06.31 | cyn | im not talking about configuring them being complex |
| 14:06.34 | cyn | IMPLEMENTING them |
| 14:06.40 | absentia | don't get your panties in a bunch. |
| 14:06.43 | cyn | the goddamn device has to have code for all this tcp/ip crap |
| 14:06.49 | cyn | I don't wear panties, I'm male |
| 14:06.51 | absentia | why?> |
| 14:07.00 | cyn | why does it have to have tcp/ip code? |
| 14:07.15 | absentia | why is implementing a tcpip "stack" so complicated? |
| 14:07.17 | cyn | to utilize 802.11a/b/c |
| 14:07.18 | troffasky | what's this got to do with beaming contacts over WLAN? |
| 14:07.24 | cyn | because there's no goddamn underlying os |
| 14:07.30 | cyn | it's a CELLPHONE HEADSET |
| 14:07.43 | cyn | troffasky: we're talking wireless vs. bluetooth |
| 14:07.45 | absentia | troff: no idea... |
| 14:07.47 | cyn | he wants to know why bluetooth exists |
| 14:07.48 | cyn | oh fuck it |
| 14:07.51 | absentia | that's why I'm confused. |
| 14:08.03 | cyn | nevermind |
| 14:08.10 | cyn | you're right - bluetooth has no point in existance for you |
| 14:08.14 | troffasky | it would be nice to beam contacts over WLAN |
| 14:08.15 | cyn | let's leave it at that. |
| 14:08.20 | absentia | I haven't seen a reason for bluetooth yet. |
| 14:08.24 | absentia | doesn't mean that there isn't one. |
| 14:08.26 | cyn | absentia: and it will remain that way |
| 14:08.31 | cyn | no, please don't |
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| 14:08.36 | cyn | don't pretend there's hope |
| 14:08.41 | cyn | I'm done wasting time |
| 14:08.42 | absentia | troff: agreed! |
| 14:09.08 | absentia | troff: unlike restrictions of the past... we can put tcpip on just about anything... that's not a problem anymore. |
| 14:09.24 | troffasky | i'm sure you could modify samba slightly to send broadcast messages and the like |
| 14:09.24 | absentia | is it the best protocol / standard for this? maybe, maybe not.... but WE can... |
| 14:09.26 | absentia | that's the point. |
| 14:09.41 | absentia | troff: well, then there is the power issue. |
| 14:09.45 | absentia | again, it seems to me like isdn |
| 14:09.51 | absentia | yesterday's technology tomorrow. |
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| 14:09.57 | absentia | better power cells, and we won't care. |
| 14:10.13 | absentia | so, until we egt better power cells, lower power requirements seems like a win |
| 14:10.16 | absentia | but at what cost? |
| 14:10.22 | absentia | troff: are you familiar with fsp ? |
| 14:10.50 | troffasky | nope. 'Splain it to me |
| 14:10.55 | absentia | to me, 802.11b fsp = similar to bluetooth ? |
| 14:11.10 | absentia | well, I don't know it exactly.. but it was like a "sifter" in the packets. |
| 14:11.21 | absentia | you put up a server... and files just start arriving.... no logins, accounts, etc. |
| 14:11.29 | absentia | it was like FTP in broadcast mode, or something |
| 14:11.31 | cyn | yeah that new ipaq only has a sd slot |
| 14:11.49 | cyn | so when that new wireless technology comes out, you have to shell out mad bucks once they finally make a sdio card for it |
| 14:11.57 | troffasky | i'm sure it would be easy to hack something on top of SMB for broadcasting stuff |
| 14:11.57 | cyn | and then you don't get any memory expansion "| |
| 14:12.04 | absentia | but, unlike with wireless devices, power consumption wasn't an issue (bandwith was) |
| 14:12.09 | cyn | smb broadcasts like a goddamned fiend |
| 14:12.21 | absentia | cyn: exactly |
| 14:12.31 | absentia | I block power 139 first thing at my routers and on all my unix boxes |
| 14:12.35 | absentia | fuck pcs |
| 14:12.46 | tux_mike | SMB doesn't broadcast |
| 14:12.47 | absentia | actually, 137 through 139 |
| 14:12.58 | tux_mike | netbios-nameservice does |
| 14:13.03 | cyn | ya |
| 14:13.04 | cyn | 137 |
| 14:13.07 | absentia | whatever the protocol is.. that sends heartbeats / queries out on those ports. |
| 14:13.09 | tux_mike | and only if you don't have a wins server |
| 14:13.11 | absentia | it's damn annoying. |
| 14:13.33 | tux_mike | configure for wins, and set the type to no broadcast, and you are set |
| 14:13.49 | absentia | all I know is that my friend had 10 NT boxes on a shared network, and the chatter from his boxes was insane. |
| 14:13.54 | tux_mike | but, none the less, SMB/netbios is a horrid protocol |
| 14:13.57 | troffasky | like I said, it would need some hacking |
| 14:14.01 | cyn | that's silly, one of them shoulda been wins |
| 14:14.06 | tux_mike | he didn't have the network properly configed |
| 14:14.10 | cyn | if you have just one nt box it should be wins serving |
| 14:14.21 | cyn | nt/win2k/xp |
| 14:14.25 | absentia | anyway, that was a long time ago |
| 14:14.27 | cyn | well, not xp home heh |
| 14:14.27 | tux_mike | cyn: but you do need linux or windows server |
| 14:14.35 | tux_mike | to be a wins server |
| 14:14.41 | cyn | ya |
| 14:14.42 | absentia | do ciscos broadcast on 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 14:14.48 | cyn | 2k pro should be able to wins serve |
| 14:14.50 | cyn | no? |
| 14:14.56 | cyn | thought it could |
| 14:15.19 | absentia | so, anyway, I want the c700 to develop AI.... |
| 14:15.19 | tux_mike | nope, 2k server |
| 14:15.22 | absentia | perl code. |
| 14:15.22 | tux_mike | no xp |
| 14:15.25 | absentia | I have what I need. |
| 14:16.00 | absentia | I use wifi to xfer to and from it, etc.... plugged in.. at home. |
| 14:16.13 | absentia | I don't see a need to sit in a park and surf the web. |
| 14:16.34 | absentia | although it might be nice to be in bryant park or something... watching chess and get on the free wifi to check out the chess databases, etc. |
| 14:16.47 | absentia | but at this point, it's not a high enough priority. |
| 14:17.09 | absentia | I'm wondering what it would take to get a flexible solar pad |
| 14:17.17 | absentia | taht would power the c700 |
| 14:17.24 | cyn | they sell them for laptops |
| 14:17.30 | absentia | maybe you could wear it on the top of a cap or something |
| 14:17.33 | cyn | that would be like, easily 5x more than you need |
| 14:17.36 | absentia | ya, I looked into it |
| 14:17.39 | absentia | but a laptop draws so much more power |
| 14:18.02 | cyn | your best bet will be to purchase the stuff and rig it yourself |
| 14:18.05 | cyn | from a cost standpoint |
| 14:18.11 | absentia | I know. |
| 14:18.16 | cyn | but I never got into power regulating and stuff |
| 14:18.30 | absentia | I'm saying, when I last looked into it.. in 2000... it was prohibitively expensive |
| 14:18.39 | cyn | it'd prolly be nice to have a battery tied into it outputting at the required voltage/amperage |
| 14:18.42 | cyn | yea |
| 14:18.52 | absentia | and the place I found (only 1 or 2?) wanted me to send in my power supply unit so they could take it apart and splice in the solar lead. |
| 14:18.53 | absentia | :-/ |
| 14:18.53 | cyn | solar panels are still pretty $$$ly |
| 14:18.59 | cyn | haha |
| 14:19.05 | cyn | whatever |
| 14:19.09 | cyn | *bitchslap bad place* |
| 14:19.11 | absentia | I politely declined. |
| 14:19.15 | absentia | right |
| 14:19.47 | troffasky | you sure? I'm sure I've seen those panels you plug into the lighter socket to top up you car battery for $not_much |
| 14:19.52 | absentia | my friend said he use to use marine batteries (boat batteries) in ... series? I don't know the lingo.. and he could run his home computers for days |
| 14:20.18 | cyn | depends on quality and durability troff |
| 14:20.23 | absentia | troff: I forget the terms, there was something this place was trying to sling by me.. about the "draw" .. |
| 14:20.26 | absentia | that a laptop required. |
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| 14:20.42 | absentia | roadrunner |
| 14:20.44 | absentia | time warner? |
| 14:20.48 | cyn_ | well |
| 14:20.48 | absentia | I consulted for roadrunner.com |
| 14:20.50 | cyn_ | it appears I am not the one who registered 'cyn' |
| 14:20.57 | absentia | before timewarner forced them to change their name... so they could take it |
| 14:21.10 | absentia | their main unix machine was "beep" ... from the state bird. |
| 14:21.17 | absentia | but time warner claimed copyright infringement. |
| 14:21.19 | absentia | uh huh |
| 14:21.24 | absentia | corps are lame. |
| 14:21.33 | cyn_ | damnable. |
| 14:21.44 | absentia | oh! and there was a local company.... what was it called |
| 14:21.52 | absentia | net.... |
| 14:21.52 | absentia | ? |
| 14:22.01 | cyn_ | that pizzez me off that some dude comes on once every fuckin 3 weeks and he's got 'cyn' regged with nickserv |
| 14:22.09 | absentia | ya |
| 14:22.15 | absentia | I used "scott" on irc for over a decade |
| 14:22.17 | troffasky | try 'ical' instead then |
| 14:22.22 | absentia | and an IRC op stalked me for 6 months, and then stole it from me |
| 14:22.29 | absentia | of course, he denies every bit of it, but he did.. |
| 14:22.34 | absentia | irc (efnet) is full of babies. |
| 14:22.40 | cyn_ | and he felt the need to flex his muscle to have nickserv kill me |
| 14:22.47 | absentia | net... what was the isp.... net.. something. |
| 14:22.48 | cyn_ | yes efnet is funny |
| 14:23.06 | absentia | I forget the name, anyway, it became a national ISP..... but there was a local company wit the same name that had been around for 15 + years. |
| 14:23.06 | absentia | heheh |
| 14:25.29 | cyn_ | damn how do ya close tabs in netfront |
| 14:25.32 | cyn_ | can't figger it out |
| 14:26.36 | cyn_ | ah well, don matta, should just reflash oz now that i got my todos off |
| 14:27.16 | absentia | cancel ? |
| 14:27.22 | cyn_ | just closes the app |
| 14:27.28 | cyn_ | fn+n opens a new tab |
| 14:27.31 | absentia | ah |
| 14:27.36 | absentia | fn-c ? |
| 14:27.38 | absentia | fn-x |
| 14:27.39 | cyn_ | fn+f pulls open some extended location bar thing or somethin |
| 14:27.40 | absentia | fn-w |
| 14:27.45 | cyn_ | tried all the alphas |
| 14:27.49 | absentia | heheh |
| 14:27.50 | absentia | :-) |
| 14:27.52 | cyn_ | tried everything afaik |
| 14:27.53 | absentia | ok, spam meeting. |
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| 14:38.24 | bipolar | ,,,0.o,,, |
| 14:56.33 | bipolar | zecke: ping |
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| 15:17.50 | Umaro | mooey. |
| 15:18.14 | yeiazel | I don"t find how to synchronize using NTP on OZ 3.2. Isn't there any button somewhere ? |
| 15:18.33 | Umaro | have you already set it up, or? |
| 15:19.20 | Umaro | go into settings -> date/time -> settings |
| 15:19.56 | yeiazel | ther's no synchronize button here... maybe because of the Liquid theme, or... ? |
| 15:19.57 | Umaro | by default it waits 1440 minutes before syncing. if you want to change that, click the advanced settings checkbox. |
| 15:20.10 | yeiazel | oooh okay, no manual sync anymore ? |
| 15:20.20 | Umaro | there is no "synchronize now" button, so far as i know |
| 15:20.37 | Umaro | if you want, you could pull up konsole and do ntpdate time-a.nist.gov |
| 15:20.41 | yeiazel | I think I remember of one |
| 15:20.48 | yeiazel | my memory maybe sucks |
| 15:20.57 | Umaro | *shrug* regardless, it's not there now. |
| 15:21.35 | yeiazel | and I've lost my wifi card somewhere in my office... |
| 15:21.42 | Umaro | socket? |
| 15:22.12 | Umaro | my wifi card almost costed as much as my zaurus.. |
| 15:22.13 | pHluid | Heh, those damn CF cards need those things where you clap and they beep |
| 15:22.31 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 15:22.42 | yeiazel | Umaro: 108 EUR the wifi card, 300 EUR the Z |
| 15:22.46 | pHluid | I've got an ethernet card, a modem, and a wifi card now, and I never have the right one when I need it, nor do I ever remember to put them back in the right place :\ |
| 15:22.59 | Umaro | got my socket card for $150 USD, and my zaurus for $204 USD |
| 15:23.16 | pHluid | Heh. |
| 15:23.22 | pHluid | I paid $115 for my Z |
| 15:23.38 | Umaro | oh yeah? used, or? |
| 15:24.01 | pHluid | $50 for Socket Ethernet, $80 for Socket 802.11b, $50 for Pretec v.90 modem |
| 15:24.24 | pHluid | Yah, used. Really good shape, though... but it's also a 5002 |
| 15:24.25 | pHluid | er |
| 15:24.26 | pHluid | 5000d |
| 15:24.32 | pHluid | Not a 5500 :\ |
| 15:24.35 | Umaro | aah.. 5500 here |
| 15:24.42 | pHluid | No biggie though |
| 15:24.42 | Umaro | mine was a factory refurb. :) |
| 15:24.46 | pHluid | I've never run out of ram on it |
| 15:25.05 | pHluid | So the extra ram is no big deal |
| 15:27.24 | yeiazel | the "get time form network button" is transformed in "set predicted time" when no network is configured |
| 15:27.37 | yeiazel | and I've plugged the wifi card after starting the date/time app |
| 15:36.05 | Umaro | I just wish I could use the 5600's battery pack in my 5500 |
| 15:36.35 | yeiazel | Umaro: you can |
| 15:36.53 | yeiazel | however, the battery will be bigger than the Z. but it fits |
| 15:36.56 | Umaro | you've verified this? |
| 15:36.59 | yeiazel | yes |
| 15:37.07 | Umaro | the battery sticks out so the cover can't go on, or? |
| 15:37.18 | yeiazel | exactly |
| 15:37.29 | Umaro | hmm.. |
| 15:37.30 | yeiazel | 3 or 4 mm out |
| 15:37.37 | Umaro | how lame. |
| 15:37.41 | yeiazel | yea |
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| 15:42.33 | cyn_ | there might be a tab you need to cut off of the battery too, no? |
| 15:42.38 | cyn_ | but it's just plastic |
| 15:43.46 | Umaro | haven't seen the back of it, but would the 5600 cover fit the 5500? |
| 15:44.13 | Umaro | or is the 5600 just thicker? |
| 15:49.01 | yeiazel | Umaro: dunno |
| 15:49.06 | chouimat|Zzzzz | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030429&mode=classic |
| 15:49.07 | yeiazel | cyn_: yes |
| 15:49.21 | Umaro | I should try to make little plastic covers that bulge out for the 5500 so they can take teh 5600's battery |
| 15:49.43 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:49.49 | Umaro | chouimat: morning |
| 15:50.02 | Umaro | I want more than 950mAh |
| 15:51.43 | Umaro | I think I could deal with it hanging out.. 3 or 4 mm you say, yeiazel? |
| 15:52.08 | yeiazel | yes |
| 15:52.22 | Umaro | hmm.. |
| 15:53.31 | Umaro | 750 more mAh might be worth it. |
| 15:54.54 | cyn_ | erm |
| 15:55.05 | cyn_ | it'll be hanging out like almost a normal batterys depth |
| 15:55.08 | cyn_ | however deep that is |
| 15:55.24 | cyn_ | actually yah i guess that is only like 5 or so mm |
| 15:55.37 | cyn_ | since you gain the thickness of the cover/etc. |
| 15:55.40 | cyn_ | then its just a matter of securing it |
| 15:57.43 | Umaro | bbl |
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| 16:13.19 | NetNut404_work | morning |
| 16:13.31 | NetNut404_work | at least here anyway |
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| 16:54.37 | minipanda|work | Hallo, wer hat eine funktionsf?hige Konfigaration f¨ır Zaurus und T-online ¨ıber IRDA ? Alle Versuche mit den z.Zt. m?glichen Verweisen schlugen fehl! |
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| 17:25.52 | zecke | bipolar_: pong |
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| 18:03.19 | Umaro | hay |
| 18:04.53 | schurig | good morning! |
| 18:07.56 | Twiun | hey schurig :) |
| 18:08.10 | Twiun | just woke up from my nap |
| 18:09.13 | schurig | Twiun: hey, it was kergoth's birthday, not yours :-) |
| 18:09.30 | Twiun | schurig: couldn't sleep :) |
| 18:09.34 | Twiun | schurig: too hot |
| 18:12.05 | Twiun | schurig: hey schurig, you're the patcher maintainer, right? |
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| 18:15.17 | schurig | Twiun: yes |
| 18:15.51 | schurig | weatherbot: weather eddf |
| 18:16.44 | schurig | for what is a weatherbot good for that can't tell Twiun that we have 20°C so it's hardly too hot ?!? |
| 18:16.53 | Twiun | lol |
| 18:17.15 | Twiun | weatherbot: weather EGLC |
| 18:17.34 | Twiun | it's 16C here |
| 18:17.48 | Twiun | that's fine over the day, but at night I find that stifling |
| 18:17.57 | pHluid | We don't measure in C here. |
| 18:17.58 | pHluid | ;[ |
| 18:21.23 | Twiun | pHluid: fahrenheits? |
| 18:22.25 | pHluid | Goddamnit |
| 18:22.28 | pHluid | Now my Z is bricked again |
| 18:22.29 | pHluid | wtf |
| 18:22.40 | pHluid | Don't even get a charge light when I plug it into AC |
| 18:22.54 | pHluid | Broke, working, pick one and stick with it goddamnit :\ |
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| 18:26.33 | pHluid | POS |
| 18:26.59 | schurig | Twiun: so, what's your problem/idea with patcher? |
| 18:27.35 | Twiun | schurig: I'll let you know as soon as I get the error again :) |
| 18:27.53 | Twiun | schurig: it was something do do with .files files not being present |
| 18:30.11 | schurig | Twiun: then usually an imported patch ("patcher -i") was not able to be imported, because of failures. You could "patcher -f -i ..." to force the import, then you work manually throught the rejections and with "patcher -r" you, voila, have a clean patch again. |
| 18:31.15 | Twiun | schurig: ahhh |
| 18:31.29 | Twiun | schurig: I was going to ask because this was with a pristine buildroot |
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| 18:34.13 | Twiun | heay beattie |
| 18:34.15 | Twiun | hey even |
| 18:35.37 | beattie | hey Twiun |
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| 18:37.51 | Marsupilami23 | Anyone having problems with Kitchensync? |
| 18:38.07 | Marsupilami23 | Just want to know, thinking of trying it. |
| 18:39.24 | treke | it doesnt work for me, but its worthing giving a shot |
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| 18:40.02 | Twiun | schurig: yeah, it's the pristine opie patches that get choked on |
| 18:42.04 | treke | zecke ping |
| 18:44.50 | Marsupilami23 | ok, finished compiling it, its installing right now, I'll let you know |
| 18:49.56 | troffasky | what's the AIM app for zaurus? |
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| 18:52.48 | numatrix | troffasky: there's a few. search killefiz.de/zaurus for aim. |
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| 18:54.47 | Bowser | Hi treke |
| 18:54.58 | treke | hello |
| 18:55.10 | Bowser | how are u? |
| 18:55.17 | treke | fine |
| 18:55.28 | Bowser | fine :) |
| 18:55.46 | Bowser | Are there any news to oz-ipaq? |
| 18:56.15 | treke | nothing for the past couple weeks. been working on making it work well as a nonroot user |
| 18:56.42 | treke | nothing ipaq specific has been changed |
| 18:57.28 | absentia | ya |
| 18:57.31 | Bowser | Hmm... can you tell me whether Bluetooth works or not? and... does the IPKG-Sys run? |
| 18:57.31 | absentia | I'm looing for an aim client too |
| 18:57.54 | treke | 1) no I cant 2) what is ipkg-sys? |
| 18:58.36 | Bowser | uhm... the packet-management? |
| 18:58.50 | treke | ipkg works as well as ipkg ever works |
| 18:58.51 | Marsupilami23 | Well, kitchensync works really well |
| 18:59.12 | numatrix | Marsupilami23: a guy at work here has been working with the developer of it a lot doing bugfixes for different zaurus specific issues. |
| 18:59.13 | Marsupilami23 | Its great actually... I few adjustments needed but other then that, it works |
| 18:59.14 | Bowser | hmm.. didn't work the last time i tried... perhaps my fault.... |
| 18:59.36 | numatrix | Bowser: it's under pretty heavy development from what I hear. You might have just tried an older one? |
| 19:00.03 | Bowser | numatrix: no, I used the newest one... |
| 19:00.17 | treke | you used the newest one in the feed |
| 19:01.08 | Bowser | yep |
| 19:01.18 | Marsupilami23 | Bowser: Hmm.. well I'm using gentoo, which normally has problems with the simplest thing, and it works fine. |
| 19:01.45 | Bowser | ok then... |
| 19:02.28 | Bowser | treke: How can I change the MTU, coz I'm using DSL and that seems to make problems.. I need a MTU of 1472 I guess... |
| 19:02.40 | treke | dunno |
| 19:03.09 | treke | probably with ifconfig? |
| 19:03.16 | Bowser | no prob... guess I'll load the whole feed to my computer then.. |
| 19:04.33 | treke | ifconfig ethX mtu mutvalue |
| 19:05.01 | Bowser | thank ya |
| 19:06.17 | Bowser | is there a faster way to load the rootimage up? serial is sooo slow... |
| 19:06.23 | treke | cf |
| 19:06.31 | Bowser | I don't have cf... |
| 19:06.37 | treke | then no |
| 19:07.43 | Bowser | :-( the bootloader should have a built in usb-support ;) |
| 19:07.56 | treke | tell them in #handhelds.org |
| 19:08.37 | Bowser | *smile* |
| 19:08.48 | Bowser | Is it too difficult or what? |
| 19:09.54 | treke | danger of bricking |
| 19:10.10 | Bowser | Hmm ok that's an argument... |
| 19:12.25 | ivan | does OZ support the pockettop IR keyboard? |
| 19:12.31 | ivan | or is that only the sharp rom? |
| 19:12.32 | treke | I dont want to deal with having to send my ipaq off to crl for a week or two for repair |
| 19:12.46 | treke | if it works on the sharp rom it should work on OZ |
| 19:13.36 | Bowser | Hmm yeah that's right... |
| 19:13.54 | Bowser | HP isn't very interested to have a good linux running on ipaq, aren't they? |
| 19:14.02 | Bowser | HP aren't ;) not isn'T |
| 19:14.26 | treke | uhm, HP is far more interested than anyone else |
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| 19:21.16 | treke | ibot bootldr |
| 19:21.20 | | somebody said bootldr was recommended, stable bootldr is 2.18.54, found at http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr for cvsweb access; more info (options, etc.) can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html |
| 19:21.21 | treke | ibot parrot |
| 19:21.21 | | hmm... parrot is the image displayed from the ipaq's default bootloader see http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoadingFromCF |
| 19:22.28 | gecko_x2 | o ppl |
| 19:22.31 | gecko_x2 | lo |
| 19:22.43 | gecko_x2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.46 | gecko_x2 | oz 3.2 |
| 19:23.05 | gecko_x2 | anyone had this issue? |
| 19:26.40 | gecko_x2 | argh found it on the webboard :P sorry for asking b4 reading |
| 19:30.15 | treke | hrm, I know they are available somewhere |
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| 19:35.38 | chouimat | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/30441.html |
| 19:47.11 | bipolar | has kergoth been MIA all day? |
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| 19:50.01 | bipolar | ~lart sourceforge |
| 19:50.05 | ivan | kergoth is supposed to make a 5600 image |
| 19:50.27 | bipolar | i'm building a new unstable feed |
| 19:50.36 | bipolar | should be done as soon as xmms-e builds |
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| 19:51.07 | Umaro | yay for cable internet |
| 19:53.11 | absentia | bipolar |
| 19:53.13 | absentia | for c700 ? |
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| 19:59.36 | bipolar | absentia: no. for 5500 |
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| 20:03.22 | nz | hey |
| 20:03.34 | nz | is it possible to use a ibm microdrive with a z ?? |
| 20:03.52 | yeiazel | yes |
| 20:04.12 | nz | just plug and go?? |
| 20:09.23 | yeiazel | yes |
| 20:09.36 | yeiazel | it's the same interface as a cf memory card |
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| 20:09.52 | yeiazel | in fact, a cf card is seen as an ide hard drive |
| 20:10.25 | nz | sweet |
| 20:10.35 | nz | now to track down a 5-100gb microdrive |
| 20:10.40 | treke | conveniently pcmcia and CF are compatibile |
| 20:10.57 | yeiazel | cf IS pcmcia :) |
| 20:11.21 | treke | well I meant to say conveniently pcmcia and cf are compatible with ide :) |
| 20:11.45 | nz | cool |
| 20:14.25 | nz | i'll get a wifi card then a 10gb drive |
| 20:14.30 | nz | and go download warez |
| 20:14.31 | nz | :) |
| 20:14.33 | nz | muahhahaha |
| 20:16.42 | nz | maybe not |
| 20:17.08 | nz | what devices use a 2.5" hard drive?? |
| 20:17.46 | treke | Sugar, convert 200 USD to GBP |
| 20:18.05 | treke | Sugar, what is 200 USD in GBP |
| 20:18.08 | Sugar | 200 US$ is 125.60001 GBP |
| 20:18.50 | nz | is sugar a bot ?? |
| 20:19.09 | treke | no. |
| 20:19.26 | treke | sugar is a bored person who sits here and converts currency for us |
| 20:21.07 | Marsupilami23 | interesting |
| 20:21.58 | nz | heh |
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| 20:36.23 | troffasky | Sugar, what is 7 GBP in USD |
| 20:36.26 | Sugar | 7 GBP is 11.146497 US$ |
| 20:36.46 | troffasky | lol@ Marsupilami23 |
| 20:37.33 | bipolar | ibot: gotten any lately? |
| 20:37.38 | | I get my bits polished every night by a cron job |
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| 20:44.59 | Moliere | who made the ROM for iPAQ? |
| 20:48.21 | bipolar | ATTN: The OpenZaurus Unstable feed has been updated. Have fun, and good luck. :) |
| 20:51.03 | bipolar | hehe |
| 20:54.33 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: cool |
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| 21:03.39 | absentia | biploar: unstable for c700 w/ gcc3 ? |
| 21:09.27 | bipolar | absentia: no. unstable for 5500, gcc2. |
| 21:14.33 | mickeyl | g'evening |
| 21:18.56 | mickeyl | libjpeg62 no longer builds a shared object for me. anyone seen this behaviour? |
| 21:21.24 | bipolar | mickeyl: I'm not sure. I just updated the unstable OZ feed and did not see a build error. |
| 21:22.33 | mickeyl | bipolar: did you build it from scratch (mrproper) ? |
| 21:22.40 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: you build all the new stuff? perl etc? last time you built you were missing a bunch of the sdl libs etc |
| 21:24.07 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: SDL Built. Perl did not |
| 21:24.28 | mickeyl | damn... somehow jpeg does not get patched... |
| 21:25.04 | TheMasterMind1 | whats wrong with perl |
| 21:25.21 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: not really sure. It just doesn't like me. :) |
| 21:25.24 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 21:25.31 | bipolar | I did not save an error log |
| 21:25.40 | bipolar | next time I will debug it. |
| 21:26.20 | bipolar | actualy, I'll debug it as soon as my gcc3 build is done. |
| 21:39.25 | bipolar_away | l8ter |
| 21:54.27 | gecko_x2 | any socketcom bluetooth cf revision G on OZ 3.2 users around? |
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| 21:57.49 | masticator | la di freakin da. |
| 21:59.47 | chouimat|afk | hhye masti |
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| 22:34.33 | Neo|Work | cool, prelink setup on my gentoo box |
| 22:38.36 | ivan | will i need a 64mb CF card to flash a 5600, even if OZ only takes 16 megabytes? |
| 22:38.57 | mickeyl | yes |
| 22:39.05 | ivan | once kergoth actually gets it to work, that is |
| 22:40.15 | ivan | mmm, 1 gigabyte CF card for $200 |
| 22:42.27 | absentia2 | re |
| 22:42.38 | absentia2 | ok, I can't get OZ to use my cd any more. |
| 22:42.40 | absentia2 | er |
| 22:42.42 | absentia2 | sd |
| 22:43.05 | _Psycho | mount /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card ? |
| 22:43.24 | absentia2 | that works |
| 22:43.28 | absentia2 | but when the card is in |
| 22:43.32 | absentia2 | I get that blue spinner |
| 22:43.35 | absentia2 | and opie locks up |
| 22:43.54 | _Psycho | disable the media scan on mount, in the launcher or the setting something around that |
| 22:44.07 | _Psycho | so he doesnt try to scan every documents on it when you insert it |
| 22:44.16 | absentia2 | ya |
| 22:44.17 | ivan | haha someone made a zaurus program that costs 80 bucks |
| 22:44.22 | absentia2 | it use to work |
| 22:44.25 | ivan | to connect to windows xp remote thingies |
| 22:44.44 | absentia2 | I'm hoping there will be a new image up soon |
| 22:45.02 | _Psycho | trying to build one atm with gcc3 |
| 22:45.33 | absentia2 | k |
| 22:46.27 | mickeyl | _Psycho: when you do a build from scratch, please tell me if building libjpeg worked for you. it still doesn't here and I changed _nothing_ in my environment |
| 22:46.49 | absentia2 | noth ngin hte feeds |
| 22:47.09 | _Psycho | mickeyl he run in background, no idea at all atm, i tell you when it stop :) |
| 22:47.19 | _Psycho | i just mrproper and rebuild it |
| 22:47.26 | mickeyl | _Psycho: great |
| 22:47.41 | _Psycho | might be long thought before i can try |
| 22:48.08 | mickeyl | noprob. can wait |
| 22:48.22 | mickeyl | for now i just copied the relevant data from an older buildroot... |
| 22:48.23 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:48.53 | absentia2 | hmmm |
| 22:48.58 | absentia2 | now the keyboard is all messed up |
| 22:49.00 | ivan | does the sharp rom have the AA fonts? |
| 22:49.07 | mickeyl | verdana |
| 22:49.09 | mickeyl | eh |
| 22:49.11 | mickeyl | smallsmooth |
| 22:49.22 | mickeyl | (which actually is verdana) |
| 22:49.34 | ivan | i can't really find a great advantage of OZ except being able to change your background image |
| 22:49.38 | mickeyl | errrm |
| 22:50.14 | mickeyl | so you don't like the later drivers, memory partition options, et. al? |
| 22:50.33 | mickeyl | and the loads of improvements done by the Opie team? |
| 22:50.34 | ivan | memory partition might be useful to someone |
| 22:52.07 | ivan | does qtopia have qcop? |
| 22:52.30 | mickeyl | sure. |
| 22:52.36 | mickeyl | without qcop nothing would work |
| 22:56.12 | _Psycho | damn freetype error |
| 22:56.30 | _Psycho | gonna tyre libjpeg |
| 22:56.35 | _Psycho | try* |
| 22:57.21 | _Psycho | mickeyl, the install doesnt work |
| 22:57.32 | mickeyl | _Psycho: thanks. so its not my fault |
| 22:57.55 | _Psycho | same error than libfreetype like he cannot find libjpeg.so.62.0.0 |
| 22:58.24 | mickeyl | _Psycho: yeah. the .so does not get built..... |
| 22:58.29 | mickeyl | no idea why actually |
| 22:58.34 | mickeyl | ibot: seen kergoth`bbl |
| 22:58.35 | | kergoth`bbl is currently on #opie #uclibc #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #elinux #openembedded #handhelds.org #openzaurus. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 19h 27m 12s |
| 22:58.56 | _Psycho | well everything seem to compile fine, i think its just the link or something |
| 22:59.32 | mickeyl | no its not. check for yourself in build/jpeg-6b/.libs |
| 22:59.36 | mickeyl | what is there? |
| 22:59.40 | _Psycho | yeah did that |
| 22:59.55 | _Psycho | libjpeg.a and libjpeg.la -> ../libjpeg.la |
| 23:00.00 | mickeyl | so it doesn't get build. |
| 23:00.10 | mickeyl | someone did changes to libtool some hours or days ago :-< |
| 23:00.15 | mickeyl | I bet this is it |
| 23:00.27 | mickeyl | grrr.... leave libtool alone... i said it everytime |
| 23:00.38 | mickeyl | sqlite build also broken because of libtool |
| 23:00.46 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 23:00.53 | _Psycho | i retry to build it |
| 23:01.06 | _Psycho | kergoth was talking about libtool last night |
| 23:02.45 | _Psycho | well i rebuilded it, i retry the lib |
| 23:02.47 | _Psycho | but i doubt |
| 23:02.50 | _Psycho | i just wait later :) |
| 23:03.06 | _Psycho | yeah same error |
| 23:03.10 | mickeyl | grrr |
| 23:03.16 | mickeyl | no wonder |
| 23:03.24 | mickeyl | we have been updated to libtool 1.5 |
| 23:04.13 | mickeyl | if you want to build it, download rev 1.38 of libtool/Makefile |
| 23:04.36 | _Psycho | too lazy |
| 23:04.46 | mickeyl | then wait for kergoth to fix it :-D |
| 23:04.51 | _Psycho | my plan ! |
| 23:06.01 | mickeyl | ibot: message for kergoth - libtool 1.5 breaks things. examples: libjpeg.so doesn't get build, sqlite complains etc. |
| 23:06.25 | mickeyl | good night |
| 23:09.08 | absentia2 | ok |
| 23:09.11 | absentia2 | I can flash sharp rom |
| 23:09.14 | absentia2 | and sd works |
| 23:09.21 | absentia2 | but it doesn't work under the latest OZ |
| 23:09.25 | absentia2 | but it use to |
| 23:09.28 | absentia2 | I wonder what gives |
| 23:09.31 | _Psycho | work fine here ;) |
| 23:09.35 | absentia2 | gee |
| 23:09.36 | absentia2 | thanks |
| 23:09.40 | _Psycho | np ! |
| 23:09.48 | sonix` | kergoth`bbl it didnt work btw. |
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| 23:11.13 | absentia2 | I forgot how to install stuff under sharp rom |
| 23:11.19 | absentia2 | the install app doesn't seem to do sh!t |
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| 23:15.34 | absentia2 | grrr |
| 23:15.39 | absentia2 | no incoming ssh on sharp |
| 23:16.08 | sonix` | heh |
| 23:16.37 | ivan | absentia2: install the openssh package |
| 23:16.46 | ivan | docs.zaurus.com has all the sharp-rom stuff documentedf |
| 23:16.56 | sonix` | w00t |
| 23:17.04 | sonix` | i'm a developer now at www.zaurus.com/dev |
| 23:17.56 | ivan | Registered Users: 1,992 |
| 23:17.58 | ivan | you're not so special |
| 23:18.09 | sonix` | uuuh |
| 23:18.11 | sonix` | those arent developers |
| 23:18.13 | sonix` | wait |
| 23:18.14 | sonix` | mebbe |
| 23:18.20 | sonix` | still |
| 23:18.26 | sonix` | i'm not smudged with teh n00bs |
| 23:18.48 | absentia2 | ok |
| 23:18.55 | absentia2 | I'm going to guess it's my restore file |
| 23:18.59 | absentia2 | 40MB |
| 23:19.06 | absentia2 | that is causing the problems |
| 23:19.08 | absentia2 | first file on sd |
| 23:19.09 | absentia2 | etc |
| 23:19.12 | absentia2 | I'll erae it and flash |
| 23:19.37 | absentia2 | I can flash back to sharp rom and have all my localizations... it's really neat. |
| 23:19.41 | ivan | sonix`: does exsting software work well on 5600? |
| 23:20.20 | ljp | better than non existing software |
| 23:23.14 | ivan | "Plenty of info in different threads here on this subject. You only require CF for flashing a new ROM (not yet an option on the 5600), other than that SD or CF either one will work fine. However, if you get a wifi card it will occupy the CF slot..." |
| 23:23.18 | ivan | you can't flash the 5600? |
| 23:23.25 | ivan | they're lying |
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| 23:23.34 | absentia2 | ? |
| 23:23.42 | absentia2 | I flash from sd |
| 23:23.44 | absentia2 | doing it now |
| 23:23.46 | absentia2 | flash from cf |
| 23:23.52 | absentia2 | I want a 128mb + wifi cf combo |
| 23:23.55 | absentia2 | and a 2gb cf |
| 23:24.01 | absentia2 | someone said 1gb cf =$200 |
| 23:24.03 | Umaro | I got a 256meg SD for $80 USD |
| 23:24.23 | absentia2 | I picked up a 512sd |
| 23:24.26 | absentia2 | was $274 |
| 23:24.30 | Umaro | :) |
| 23:24.30 | absentia2 | 128cf for $39 |
| 23:24.38 | Umaro | I saw those.. I didn't want to spend that much. :) |
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| 23:31.05 | ivan | CF is so much cheaper |
| 23:31.26 | ivan | i wish the zaurus just had two CF ports instead of a CF/SD |
| 23:33.16 | cyn_ | i just wish writing to sd/mmc was as reliable as cf |
| 23:33.25 | cyn_ | tho admittedly, two cf's would be nicer still |
| 23:33.32 | cyn_ | size constraints aside |
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