| 00:00.01 | sonix` | that sucks brotha. |
| 00:00.08 | ljp | naa, I'm just l;azy |
| 00:00.20 | ljp | maybe I'll take my fiero out for a spin and go there |
| 00:00.42 | ljp | I was driving my old van today |
| 00:00.42 | sonix` | anyone know of a good Zaurus developers forum? |
| 00:00.53 | ljp | there isnt any |
| 00:01.08 | sonix` | we should make one. |
| 00:01.10 | ljp | not another forum |
| 00:01.22 | sonix` | oh c'mon |
| 00:01.26 | ljp | there's one link ot a forum at opie web site |
| 00:01.33 | ljp | to |
| 00:01.37 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.59 | ljp | how come everyone gets quiet when I show up?!? |
| 00:02.03 | sonix` | ack! |
| 00:02.13 | sonix` | opie.org is a bait! |
| 00:02.20 | ljp | bait? |
| 00:02.26 | sonix` | yes. |
| 00:02.27 | sonix` | bait. |
| 00:02.31 | sonix` | whats it supposed to be/ |
| 00:02.32 | sonix` | ? |
| 00:02.33 | ljp | for..? |
| 00:02.37 | sonix` | popups |
| 00:02.40 | sonix` | n shit. |
| 00:02.49 | ljp | popups? aint no opoups on opie |
| 00:02.59 | sonix` | www.opie.org |
| 00:03.04 | ljp | oh |
| 00:03.11 | ljp | try the real opie at opie.handhelds.org |
| 00:03.19 | treke | that site sucks |
| 00:03.22 | treke | use opie.inf |
| 00:03.23 | treke | use opie.info |
| 00:03.24 | ljp | eat me |
| 00:03.34 | treke | your place or mine? |
| 00:03.46 | ljp | treke, you visited opie.hh.org lately? |
| 00:03.56 | treke | nope |
| 00:04.01 | ljp | bbbeeeeaaaaaatch |
| 00:05.31 | sonix` | those forums are weak... |
| 00:05.52 | ljp | try opie-devel@handhelds.org |
| 00:06.07 | ljp | forums suck anyways |
| 00:06.19 | sonix` | naah |
| 00:07.07 | ljp | ok. zaurus forums suck |
| 00:07.19 | sonix` | indeed. |
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| 00:08.56 | TCMAN | hi |
| 00:09.05 | ljp | hello |
| 00:10.09 | sonix` | hi |
| 00:10.15 | sonix` | whats up ljp |
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| 00:11.08 | ljp | what up? clouds are up |
| 00:11.26 | ljp | getting shit together to move is up |
| 00:11.39 | sonix` | where to? |
| 00:11.45 | ljp | Brisbane |
| 00:11.49 | sonix` | state? |
| 00:11.57 | ljp | Queensland |
| 00:12.01 | sonix` | or country possibly? |
| 00:12.05 | ljp | Australia |
| 00:12.08 | ljp | :) |
| 00:12.10 | sonix` | aha. |
| 00:12.17 | sonix` | i thought it was somewhere in UK |
| 00:12.20 | sonix` | close enough :) |
| 00:12.25 | ljp | not even |
| 00:12.47 | ljp | uk is cloudy and cold |
| 00:12.56 | sonix` | indeed. |
| 00:13.07 | sonix` | Australia is hot 24/7/365 right? |
| 00:13.15 | ljp | at least I _think_ I'm moving to Brisbane |
| 00:13.21 | sonix` | heh |
| 00:13.22 | ljp | no |
| 00:13.29 | ljp | au is a large place |
| 00:13.41 | sonix` | i c |
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| 00:13.47 | sonix` | damn americans |
| 00:13.49 | sonix` | they think they know all |
| 00:13.52 | sonix` | they lied to me! |
| 00:14.05 | ljp | we do |
| 00:14.13 | sonix` | indeed. |
| 00:14.24 | sonix` | since you are part of the coalition of the "willing" |
| 00:15.04 | ljp | who me? |
| 00:15.11 | sonix` | Au is |
| 00:15.12 | ljp | not me |
| 00:15.31 | ljp | 'coersed' |
| 00:15.38 | sonix` | coerced :) |
| 00:15.45 | ljp | thats it |
| 00:15.50 | sarepska | how much did israel get again? |
| 00:15.57 | sonix` | a couple billions. |
| 00:15.58 | sonix` | why? |
| 00:16.00 | sonix` | :) |
| 00:16.10 | sarepska | more like 10 bil |
| 00:16.22 | sonix` | sounds right. |
| 00:19.49 | ljp | treke: you add alsa to build root yet? |
| 00:20.02 | treke | no |
| 00:20.15 | treke | after this nonroot opie stuff is done |
| 00:20.43 | ljp | k |
| 00:21.43 | treke | I think there is one bug I know of left before I email this patch off to opie-devel |
| 00:23.52 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: ping |
| 00:24.02 | sonix` | he went home. |
| 00:24.05 | sonix` | or so he claims. |
| 00:24.12 | sonix` | maybe he went ~ |
| 00:24.17 | sonix` | :p |
| 00:24.20 | sonix` | ok that was bad. |
| 00:24.22 | mallum | yeah, just checking ;-) |
| 00:25.17 | sonix` | PDA + faeces = t e h sux0r |
| 00:25.24 | sonix` | i'll pass. |
| 00:27.30 | mallum | anyone built an image from buildroot lately and have it hang on 'booting ....' :/ ? |
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| 00:32.24 | sonix` | phew |
| 00:32.27 | sonix` | that was some good stuff |
| 00:35.18 | treke | wheee |
| 00:35.26 | treke | vera gets into an infinite loop |
| 00:35.27 | treke | fun |
| 00:35.35 | treke | ~lart kergoth |
| 00:37.58 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 00:38.14 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: 'ello |
| 00:38.21 | sonix` | ack! |
| 00:38.22 | kergoth`bbl | mallum: built an image this afternoon that boots fine |
| 00:38.25 | sonix` | he's here!! |
| 00:38.26 | treke | make image seems to get stuck on qpf-bitstream-vea |
| 00:38.29 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.29 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.33 | sonix` | kergoth`bbl: boots 5600? |
| 00:38.43 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: doh, somehow I new you'd say that ;-) |
| 00:38.57 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: 3.2, 2.3.1 based ? |
| 00:39.00 | kergoth`bbl | sonix`: what? i told you, 5600 support is on hold pending receipt of a 5600 |
| 00:39.03 | kergoth`bbl | mallum: yes |
| 00:39.07 | sonix` | damnit! |
| 00:39.11 | sonix` | i got excited for a sec! |
| 00:39.33 | kergoth`bbl | treke: its now qpf-bitstream-vera-full, not qpf-bitstream-vera, and ipkg has a bug relating to multiple providers right now. just kill off qpf-bitstream-vera-light from your output/ipks/ |
| 00:39.54 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: could you mail me the .config your using ? |
| 00:40.07 | kergoth`bbl | mallum: i'm using a slightly altered corgi-opie |
| 00:40.19 | kergoth`bbl | mallum: the only change is in what toolchain i'm using, and glibc 2.3.1, and libgcc1 enabled. |
| 00:40.57 | kergoth`bbl | how the fuck do i do a 'continue' on a loop other than the inner one, in c/c++? |
| 00:41.05 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 00:41.33 | absentia2 | ok |
| 00:41.35 | treke | what continue(2)? |
| 00:41.36 | absentia2 | dling gcc |
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| 00:42.37 | TCMAN | kergoth`bbl: goto is your friend :) |
| 00:42.56 | ljp | kergoth`bbl: goto |
| 00:43.00 | ljp | hahaha |
| 00:43.17 | kergoth`bbl | goddamnit. noo |
| 00:43.18 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 00:43.32 | ljp | goto isnt bad |
| 00:43.51 | kergoth`bbl | goto isnt bad in certain circumstances |
| 00:43.53 | kergoth`bbl | this isnt one of them |
| 00:44.02 | TCMAN | goto is not necessary, but sometimes cool |
| 00:44.28 | TCMAN | e.g. when you do step by step init and have to exit when something fails |
| 00:44.34 | ljp | your just function biased! |
| 00:44.46 | TCMAN | you do step by step exit/dealloc with labels |
| 00:44.50 | ljp | functionist! |
| 00:45.10 | TCMAN | and then if initstepN fails goto failstepN-1 |
| 00:45.42 | TCMAN | c++ exceptions are evil |
| 00:45.48 | ljp | if(crying) goto yoMomma; |
| 00:45.59 | kergoth`bbl | TCMAN: yep, thats the only time i use it |
| 00:46.30 | absentia2 | gonna dl... |
| 00:46.39 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: ah this image is for 5000 btw |
| 00:46.50 | TCMAN | kergoth`bbl: sometimes it is cool inside switch/case :) |
| 00:47.23 | TCMAN | case something: do_shit(); goto rest_of_shit; |
| 00:47.54 | kergoth`bbl | TCMAN: there are usually better ways to do that, though |
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| 00:49.31 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: I must just be missing something important out ;-) |
| 00:58.27 | absentia2 | ok |
| 00:58.30 | absentia2 | binutilsis the only new file |
| 00:58.32 | absentia2 | got it |
| 01:04.04 | absentia2 | installing binutuls |
| 01:05.05 | absentia2 | ipkg install binutils |
| 01:05.05 | absentia2 | Downloading file:/mnt/card/cf/feed/binutils_2.13.90cvs.20030406-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk |
| 01:05.05 | absentia2 | Copying /mnt/card/cf/feed/binutils_2.13.90cvs.20030406-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk to /tmp/ipkg-PGi0tS/binutils_2.13.90cvs.20030406-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk...Done |
| 01:05.05 | absentia2 | Package binutils wants to install file /usr/bin/ar |
| 01:05.05 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.06 | absentia2 | Package binutils wants to install file /usr/bin/strings |
| 01:05.08 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.10 | absentia2 | postinst script returned status 127 |
| 01:05.12 | absentia2 | ERROR: xlibs.postinst returned 127 |
| 01:05.17 | absentia2 | and no as |
| 01:06.18 | absentia2 | # gcc s.c |
| 01:06.18 | absentia2 | gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as': No such file or directory |
| 01:06.21 | absentia2 | oh well. |
| 01:07.54 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: working now :-) |
| 01:12.43 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: -force-overwrite for now |
| 01:13.05 | absentia2 | ok |
| 01:13.31 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: I'll have a fully working keyboard in opie on my c700 within the hour |
| 01:13.34 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: :) |
| 01:13.55 | absentia2 | I'll reflash |
| 01:14.03 | treke | make image |
| 01:14.06 | absentia2 | you da man |
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| 01:21.33 | Speedy2 | Yo all |
| 01:21.38 | absentia2 | yo |
| 01:21.51 | Speedy2 | What's the haps? |
| 01:22.31 | absentia2 | tryin' to get gcc to work |
| 01:23.32 | Speedy2 | Hahahahaha |
| 01:23.34 | Speedy2 | Good luck. |
| 01:24.53 | kergoth`bbl | hey Speedy2 |
| 01:25.29 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth |
| 01:46.18 | absentia2 | can I rip the header files from the buildroot ? |
| 01:46.22 | absentia2 | .h and .lib ? |
| 01:48.24 | absentia2 | it tries to link to /usr/arm-linux/bin |
| 01:48.30 | absentia2 | but it puts the files in /usr/bin anyway |
| 01:52.06 | kergoth`bbl | the links shouldnt hurt anything |
| 01:52.11 | absentia2 | yup |
| 01:52.16 | absentia2 | gonna try to compile now |
| 01:52.21 | kergoth`bbl | k |
| 01:52.34 | kergoth`bbl | isnt it weird |
| 01:52.38 | kergoth`bbl | when you code something |
| 01:52.40 | kergoth`bbl | fairly complex9~ |
| 01:52.45 | kergoth`bbl | and it compiles the first time, and works? |
| 01:52.48 | kergoth`bbl | it frightens me |
| 01:53.02 | absentia2 | yup |
| 01:53.07 | absentia2 | but it's a great feeling. |
| 01:53.18 | kergoth`bbl | yeah |
| 01:53.19 | Speedy2 | Don't worry. It'll be broken somewhere. |
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| 01:53.31 | absentia2 | # gcc s.c |
| 01:53.31 | absentia2 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 01:53.33 | kergoth`bbl | Speedy2: thanks, you're so helpful |
| 01:53.35 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:53.41 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: hmm |
| 01:53.42 | Speedy2 | kergoth`bbl: Heh, just my experience :) |
| 01:53.44 | absentia2 | any idea what that file is ? |
| 01:53.49 | Speedy2 | Yeah. The C-runtime |
| 01:53.52 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: yeah, its part of glibc |
| 01:54.00 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: that would be part of libc6-dev normally |
| 01:54.06 | absentia2 | ah |
| 01:54.16 | Speedy2 | C-runtime sets up the stacks, takes care of zeroing out BSS, etc. |
| 01:54.17 | absentia2 | do I need to grab it from buildroot? or do I have to build it ? |
| 01:54.20 | absentia2 | ah |
| 01:55.48 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: grab one of the gcc3 toolchains from openzaurus.org |
| 01:55.56 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: steal the crt1.o and put it on your z in the correct location |
| 01:55.57 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 01:56.30 | kergoth`bbl | i've had my c700 hang indefinately in an 'ls' twice now |
| 01:56.32 | kergoth`bbl | wtf is going on |
| 01:57.04 | absentia2 | tool chains ? are they gcc3 or doesn't matter? |
| 01:57.25 | kergoth`bbl | you need the gcc3 one, with glibc 2.3.1 |
| 01:57.33 | absentia2 | hmm |
| 01:57.40 | kergoth`bbl | which is any of them on openzaurus.org |
| 01:57.43 | kergoth`bbl | grab the latest gcc3 toolchain |
| 01:57.48 | absentia2 | looking |
| 01:58.00 | absentia2 | (you know how good I am with web sites) |
| 01:58.17 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 01:58.18 | | oz toolchain is, like, http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 01:58.19 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 01:58.28 | absentia2 | ubit! |
| 01:58.30 | absentia2 | ibot! |
| 01:58.39 | absentia2 | you're my hewwo |
| 01:59.15 | absentia2 | cross oz 3 |
| 01:59.15 | absentia2 | ok |
| 01:59.31 | absentia2 | 42MB bz2? |
| 02:00.30 | absentia2 | 80MB left out of 512. |
| 02:00.37 | kergoth`bbl | its over a hundred megs |
| 02:00.47 | kergoth`bbl | it doesnt need to go on a sd card, you can put it on a desktop and copy the individual files over |
| 02:00.50 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 02:00.59 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:01.06 | absentia2 | I'll grab a second copy. |
| 02:01.18 | absentia2 | I want to have everything I need on the c700, but I'll copy in just what it needs. |
| 02:01.29 | absentia2 | I have the buildroot already on my freebsd |
| 02:01.33 | absentia2 | I could have just scp'd in the file? |
| 02:01.41 | absentia2 | or is it not part of the buildroot ? |
| 02:02.09 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:02.11 | absentia2 | find didn't see it |
| 02:02.15 | kergoth`bbl | its not part of buildroot |
| 02:02.36 | absentia2 | ./2.95.3/arm-linux/lib/crt1.o |
| 02:02.37 | kergoth`bbl | its a linux x86 glibc 2.3.x -> linux arm glibc 2.3.x crosscompile toolchain |
| 02:02.42 | kergoth`bbl | 2.95.3? |
| 02:02.43 | kergoth`bbl | NO |
| 02:02.44 | absentia2 | wrong gcc on the buildroot anyway |
| 02:02.44 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 02:02.44 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:02.50 | absentia2 | that was the buildroot from the instructions |
| 02:03.00 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:03.13 | absentia2 | 50% done to the c700 |
| 02:03.24 | absentia2 | it bet it would be faster to wget it again, vs scp it |
| 02:04.10 | absentia2 | ok 120K/sec to the freebsd.. |
| 02:04.11 | absentia2 | nice |
| 02:05.31 | absentia2 | willthis toolchain also have .h files? |
| 02:06.27 | absentia2 | teh gcc package sould be a snapshot of just enough to get gcc to compile... a source. |
| 02:06.32 | absentia2 | and all the rest should be separte. |
| 02:06.40 | Speedy2 | Beggers can't be choosers. |
| 02:06.43 | kergoth`bbl | what? |
| 02:06.45 | absentia2 | I mean |
| 02:06.47 | absentia2 | whenit's done |
| 02:06.47 | kergoth`bbl | gcc contains.. |
| 02:06.48 | kergoth`bbl | gcc |
| 02:06.54 | kergoth`bbl | glibc contains .. |
| 02:06.54 | kergoth`bbl | glibc |
| 02:06.57 | absentia2 | ah |
| 02:06.58 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 02:07.04 | kergoth`bbl | its seperate by design |
| 02:07.05 | masticator | sup. |
| 02:07.13 | kergoth`bbl | high granularity is a Good Thing(tm) on a pda |
| 02:07.18 | Speedy2 | Hey. |
| 02:07.19 | masticator | kergoth`bbl: any response from mitchy regarding our 5600 issues? |
| 02:07.29 | chouimat | juts bouught the album from a local band ... they did a requiem in latin |
| 02:07.55 | kergoth`bbl | a) I believe you name the kernel part "zImage", correct? |
| 02:07.55 | kergoth`bbl | b) I believe you have the CF formatted in FAT, correct? |
| 02:07.58 | kergoth`bbl | masticator: ^^ |
| 02:08.00 | ljp | oh, how cliche |
| 02:08.05 | kergoth`bbl | masticator: apparently the naming is different in that latest updater.sh |
| 02:08.08 | kergoth`bbl | masticator: thats why the kernel didnt flash |
| 02:08.10 | chouimat | ljp: ? |
| 02:08.23 | ljp | :) |
| 02:09.05 | chouimat | ljp: an heavy metal requiem :) |
| 02:10.34 | ljp | ya |
| 02:12.25 | masticator | kergoth`bbl: doh |
| 02:12.33 | masticator | well, we had other issues as well |
| 02:12.42 | masticator | I guess you will figure it out when the unit arrives |
| 02:12.57 | masticator | fucking inconsistent |
| 02:13.00 | kergoth`bbl | yep |
| 02:17.05 | kergoth`bbl | hmm |
| 02:17.13 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:21.09 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:21.59 | ljp | great googli-moogli! |
| 02:22.35 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 02:22.43 | absentia2 | trying to figure out where to put crt1.o |
| 02:23.31 | absentia2 | http://www.sexsq.com/cgi-bin/tt/tt.cgi?url=http://www.asianppv.com/tgp/ap22/021110.htm&link=p01.i52.0124218233309583122182004631&p=100 |
| 02:23.35 | absentia2 | heheheheh |
| 02:23.47 | absentia2 | pr0n!@#$!@#$!@$ |
| 02:24.22 | absentia2 | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/cnet/stories/998363.htm |
| 02:24.35 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: try putting crt1.o in /usr/lib/ |
| 02:24.40 | absentia2 | k |
| 02:25.38 | absentia2 | peace [140]> find . -name crt1.o |
| 02:25.39 | absentia2 | ./3.2/lib/crt1.o |
| 02:25.39 | absentia2 | ./3.2/arm-linux/lib/crt1.o |
| 02:25.39 | absentia2 | peace [141]> scp -p 3.2/arm-linux/lib/crt1.o 192.168.2.108:/usr/lib |
| 02:25.39 | absentia2 | crt1.o 100% |*****************************| 9915 00:00 |
| 02:26.05 | absentia2 | same ld error |
| 02:26.06 | absentia2 | can't find it |
| 02:27.35 | kergoth`bbl | gcc -Wl,-v blah.c -o blah |
| 02:27.36 | kergoth`bbl | iirc |
| 02:27.41 | kergoth`bbl | make ld be verbose |
| 02:27.56 | kergoth`bbl | ah its -V, not -v |
| 02:28.03 | absentia2 | lotsa text in /usr/bin/ld |
| 02:28.41 | kergoth`bbl | it'll show you what gets opened and what fails to be opened |
| 02:28.44 | absentia2 | # gcc -Wl,-V s.c -o s |
| 02:28.47 | kergoth`bbl | you should see where its trying to open it |
| 02:28.55 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.06 | absentia2 | GNU ld version 2.13.90 20030410 |
| 02:29.06 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.06 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.06 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.06 | absentia2 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 02:29.09 | kergoth`bbl | then gcc -Wl,--verbose s.c -o s perhaps |
| 02:29.10 | absentia2 | that's al it says. |
| 02:29.11 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 02:29.20 | absentia2 | --very-verbose --and-I-really-mean-it |
| 02:29.24 | absentia2 | k |
| 02:29.58 | masticator | kergoth`bbl: HP is sending me a Madison unit |
| 02:30.14 | masticator | more toys! |
| 02:30.19 | kergoth`bbl | nice |
| 02:30.59 | masticator | I got IBM working on a pSeries as well |
| 02:31.08 | masticator | I want all the 64 bit units to compare |
| 02:31.18 | absentia2 | SEARCH_DIR("/usr/arm-linux/lib"); SEARCH_DIR("/usr/lib"); SEARCH_DIR("/usr/local/lib"); SEARCH_DIR("/lib"); |
| 02:31.19 | kergoth`bbl | hrm |
| 02:31.26 | kergoth`bbl | how the hell.. |
| 02:31.27 | kergoth`bbl | hrm |
| 02:31.34 | ljp | damn it.. pizza goes _IN_ the oven |
| 02:31.54 | kergoth`bbl | my unsigned short is going from a sane value like 61 to 61561, when extended to an unsigned int by the compiler |
| 02:32.02 | kergoth`bbl | wtf |
| 02:32.05 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 02:32.19 | kergoth`bbl | guess its filling with 1s or something |
| 02:32.25 | chouimat|reading | ljp: what you still don't have autobake pizza in USA?????? |
| 02:32.52 | ljp | hmmm, not yet |
| 02:33.05 | absentia2 | and you wonder why things are crashing |
| 02:33.07 | kergoth`bbl | hmm pizza |
| 02:33.23 | absentia2 | any other ideas on the crt1.o ? |
| 02:33.24 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: yeah, qt doesnt like being passed a unicode value of 61542 |
| 02:33.26 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 02:33.30 | absentia2 | hahah |
| 02:33.34 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: i need that entire verbose output |
| 02:33.39 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: log it and email it over or osmething |
| 02:33.41 | chouimat|reading | ljp: I ate fajitas today ... |
| 02:33.43 | absentia2 | hmm |
| 02:33.50 | absentia2 | that will be task. |
| 02:33.53 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 02:33.57 | kergoth`bbl | gcc balhblah >log 2>&1 |
| 02:34.01 | kergoth`bbl | scp log otherplace: |
| 02:34.07 | kergoth`bbl | ssh otherplace |
| 02:34.10 | kergoth`bbl | cat log | mail kergoth |
| 02:34.11 | absentia2 | I don't have any mail services really. |
| 02:34.12 | kergoth`bbl | ta da |
| 02:34.13 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 02:34.14 | kergoth`bbl | brb |
| 02:34.15 | chouimat|reading | kergoth`bbl: did you initalize the int before using it? |
| 02:34.18 | absentia2 | I've killed all my solaris boxes and domains. |
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| 02:40.20 | Marsupilami23 | Uh, whats busybox? |
| 02:40.36 | ljp | everything |
| 02:40.44 | Marsupilami23 | Oh |
| 02:40.56 | ljp | just about anyway |
| 02:41.07 | ljp | it packs a bunch of commands into one binary |
| 02:41.48 | Marsupilami23 | Ah I see... |
| 02:42.16 | Speedy2 | Like "command.com"... |
| 02:42.25 | ljp | ha haha hahahaha |
| 02:42.50 | Marsupilami23 | That is funny |
| 02:45.06 | Speedy2 | You get the idea. |
| 02:50.36 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:50.38 | absentia2 | argh |
| 02:51.49 | absentia2 | argh, I need a real shell |
| 02:51.53 | absentia2 | w () { who; } |
| 02:52.02 | absentia2 | shell aliases. |
| 02:53.09 | treke|home | evening\ |
| 02:55.31 | treke|home | ljp: playlist bug in op2. it stops reading the filename for the list after the first "." |
| 02:56.01 | ljp | new after my commit? |
| 02:56.08 | treke|home | no |
| 02:56.11 | ljp | oh filename |
| 02:56.26 | ljp | ofileselector? |
| 02:56.26 | treke|home | old. been there for a long while. your commit just reminded me of the bug |
| 02:56.40 | treke|home | no the playlist, not the fileselector |
| 02:56.46 | ljp | ok |
| 02:58.16 | ljp | like if the playlist id named 'some.dumb.filelist' |
| 02:58.51 | treke|home | if the file is named "some.dumb.file.ogg" |
| 02:59.15 | treke|home | when op2 scans for the file, it displays "some" as the name of the file in the playlist |
| 02:59.33 | ljp | hmm.. thats qpe type bug |
| 02:59.38 | absentia2 | peace [164]> scp -p 3.2/arm-linux/lib/crti.o 192.168.2.97:/root/x/ |
| 02:59.41 | absentia2 | done |
| 02:59.43 | treke|home | ah, qpe handles that? |
| 02:59.56 | ljp | ya, shoudnt be too difficult to fix though |
| 02:59.59 | absentia2 | my friend says I should just mount nfs on the zaurus |
| 03:00.02 | absentia2 | and buildworld there |
| 03:00.08 | absentia2 | since that way I caqn get > 2GB space on the thing |
| 03:00.11 | absentia2 | and it is.. a linux box |
| 03:00.12 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 03:01.01 | absentia2 | hell, you can scp in files |
| 03:03.34 | absentia2 | kergothbhox |
| 03:09.59 | absentia2 | is there nfs support in OZ ? |
| 03:10.04 | ljp | damn applnk |
| 03:10.16 | treke|home | yes. applnk does suck |
| 03:10.29 | absentia2 | success!> |
| 03:10.31 | absentia2 | .nnn hahaha |
| 03:11.13 | kergoth | hrm |
| 03:12.12 | treke|home | hmmm. when will these fuckers at the door get the point that I'm not going to answer it |
| 03:12.57 | absentia2 | I need to find some sample programs now |
| 03:13.01 | Speedy2 | Anyone have Cygwin installed? I need something compiled really quickly. |
| 03:13.29 | Speedy2 | This: http://www.xastir.org/ |
| 03:14.33 | absentia2 | # ./s |
| 03:14.33 | absentia2 | Hello Zaurus! |
| 03:14.38 | absentia2 | hello world, zaurus style. |
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| 03:16.08 | absentia2 | we need to find a global path |
| 03:16.09 | absentia2 | other than . |
| 03:16.12 | absentia2 | for the libs |
| 03:16.15 | kergoth | i'm fixing that now |
| 03:16.16 | absentia2 | and then it will be rockin' |
| 03:16.18 | absentia2 | ok |
| 03:16.19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:16.27 | kergoth | i think i finally fixed the bug with my new keyboard handler |
| 03:16.48 | absentia2 | 'cause then I can start getting stuff compiled for the zaurus |
| 03:17.04 | kergoth | you should be able to install make and shit directly from debian onto your sd |
| 03:17.42 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:17.59 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 03:18.33 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: you too and don't drink too much .... 3 guinness and fajitas are enough |
| 03:19.02 | absentia2 | right |
| 03:19.07 | absentia2 | what is a small small small thing to try. |
| 03:19.14 | absentia2 | like cat... |
| 03:19.23 | chouimat|Zzzz | absentia: about what? |
| 03:19.35 | kergoth | hmm, unicode value still seemed messed |
| 03:19.36 | kergoth | grr |
| 03:19.36 | absentia2 | about what what |
| 03:19.45 | absentia2 | what is the unicode for? |
| 03:19.50 | absentia2 | screw unicode, make a / |
| 03:19.54 | kergoth | hrmrm |
| 03:19.58 | kergoth | i'm so close |
| 03:20.04 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 03:20.06 | kergoth | i fixed the bug with teh keycode->qt_keycode translation |
| 03:20.13 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 03:20.13 | kergoth | and i know the unicode value is correct |
| 03:20.22 | kergoth | i compared against the unicode pdfs on-fucking-line |
| 03:20.39 | kergoth | its just getting hosed converting from an unsigned short to an int that the fucking method needs |
| 03:20.43 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: yay |
| 03:21.05 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: want some port wine with it? |
| 03:21.17 | kergoth | damnit wheres my pizza! |
| 03:21.18 | kergoth | bastards |
| 03:21.30 | absentia2 | dude |
| 03:21.31 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: ask your cat |
| 03:21.36 | absentia2 | one time in santa fe... I ordered a pizza |
| 03:21.38 | absentia2 | and it was late. |
| 03:21.40 | absentia2 | I was like |
| 03:21.43 | absentia2 | WHERE'S MY PIZZA |
| 03:21.47 | absentia2 | someone had better have died! |
| 03:21.50 | absentia2 | well, there was a car accident |
| 03:21.55 | absentia2 | with the pizza delivery dude |
| 03:21.57 | absentia2 | he didn't die |
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| 03:22.05 | absentia2 | we got our pizza.. all smahsed up to one side |
| 03:22.06 | Speedy2 | Wow. |
| 03:22.08 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 03:22.29 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:22.30 | chouimat|Zzzz | ok i'm off .... I need to finish that port wine bottle ... |
| 03:22.54 | ljp | *hic* |
| 03:22.59 | ljp | me too... |
| 03:25.19 | absentia2 | interface went away |
| 03:25.21 | absentia2 | I just reset it |
| 03:31.33 | kergoth | code 3, mCode 99, uni c, qtKeyCode 67 |
| 03:31.34 | kergoth | Calling processKeyEvent(61539, 67, 0, 0) |
| 03:31.34 | kergoth | code 4, mCode 100, uni d, qtKeyCode 68 |
| 03:31.34 | kergoth | Calling processKeyEvent(61540, 68, 1, 0) |
| 03:32.12 | treke|home | is that a good thing? |
| 03:32.51 | kergoth | sort of. printf is converting the unsigned short to an unsigned int to do the print |
| 03:32.59 | kergoth | and its becoming 61540 from 'd' |
| 03:33.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:33.15 | kergoth | if i can fix that, this keyboard handler will work |
| 03:36.14 | ljp | ahhh haaa! |
| 03:36.36 | ljp | kergoth: you in kernel space finally? |
| 03:36.48 | treke|home | is it just me or is buildroot getting really really big |
| 03:36.53 | kergoth | ljp: naw, qt/e internals |
| 03:37.14 | ljp | hahaa me too |
| 03:46.27 | sonix` | . |
| 03:46.33 | sonix` | i'm alive! |
| 03:47.06 | Marsupilami23 | YAY |
| 03:47.14 | sonix` | fo' sheezy. |
| 03:58.46 | ljp | kergoth: qte patches with -p0 ? |
| 03:59.17 | absentia2 | ibot: opie source |
| 03:59.17 | | no idea, absentia2 |
| 03:59.26 | absentia2 | ibot: mahjong source |
| 03:59.26 | | absentia2: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:59.41 | absentia2 | ibot: `date`; id; `who` |
| 03:59.42 | | absentia2: bugger all, i dunno |
| 04:15.01 | absentia2 | where are the sources for openzaurus? things like the qt nethack ? |
| 04:15.05 | absentia2 | or the bacgammon ? |
| 04:15.11 | absentia2 | mahjong |
| 04:16.25 | kergoth | opie cvs |
| 04:16.28 | kergoth | opie.handhelds.org |
| 04:19.05 | absentia2 | ah |
| 04:19.05 | absentia2 | ok |
| 04:19.11 | absentia2 | ok, taking the c700 to bed. |
| 04:19.12 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 04:19.14 | absentia2 | night... |
| 04:19.47 | absentia2 | kergoth: think of something that I can do with he gcc now... to help you |
| 04:19.55 | absentia2 | and next time we chat, lets see what I can do. |
| 04:19.58 | absentia2 | good night |
| 04:20.11 | Speedy2 | kergoth: http://www.kraftvoll.at/software/speedstep.shtml |
| 04:20.27 | Speedy2 | It would be possible to adapt that to the SA with the clockscaling in the newer kernels. |
| 04:21.04 | Speedy2 | Except since the SA runs at speeds between 70MHz and 200MHz, there are more levels of granularity. |
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| 04:28.31 | absentia7 | hi |
| 04:29.03 | treke|home | kergoth: is it now a fatal error when a def-config is out of date? |
| 04:31.41 | absentia7 | I wonder how long the battery will last with the wireless |
| 04:31.55 | Speedy2 | Ok gotta run |
| 04:33.29 | Speedy2 | Later all |
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| 04:54.22 | treke|laptop | man no one has fixed the topic yet |
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| 05:10.20 | treke|laptop | way to gate me build root |
| 05:10.27 | treke|laptop | hate |
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| 05:18.45 | kergoth | woot! |
| 05:18.50 | kergoth | the new keyboard handler works |
| 05:19.00 | kergoth | modifiers dont yet.. so shift/alt/ctrl .. but working on that |
| 05:19.03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:20.49 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 05:23.04 | kergoth | aha |
| 05:23.47 | kergoth | note to self: when using int current_map in your class to hold the current modifier state, dont call current_map = 0 in the beginning of the method, thereby ensuring the modif state is always zero |
| 05:23.54 | kergoth | in other words, stupid fucking bug :) |
| 05:25.40 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 05:25.42 | kergoth | it works! |
| 05:26.59 | kergoth | fn button handling doesnt work... need to figure out which map it switches to when you press it |
| 05:27.03 | kergoth | thats easy |
| 05:27.49 | kergoth | cursor keys arent rotated based on screen rot atm yet |
| 05:27.58 | kergoth | but thats easy too. hard parts done |
| 05:36.23 | masticator | blargh. |
| 05:37.14 | kergoth | blargh? |
| 05:37.46 | masticator | its my new catchphrase. |
| 05:38.03 | masticator | t is my default responder |
| 05:38.19 | masticator | "I'm sorry, but we cant give you the sourcecode" |
| 05:38.23 | masticator | "Blargh!" |
| 05:38.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:39.03 | masticator | ""You wont be getting a refund this year" |
| 05:39.06 | masticator | "Blargh!" |
| 05:40.15 | masticator | "The 5600 only has 32 meg of ram." |
| 05:40.19 | masticator | "Blargh!" |
| 05:40.46 | masticator | "Honey, I still have my period" |
| 05:40.50 | masticator | "Blargh!" |
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| 05:41.51 | kergoth_Z | man |
| 05:42.04 | masticator | "will you be releasing the new kernel" |
| 05:42.08 | masticator | Blargh! |
| 05:42.08 | kergoth_Z | the c700 is so much more usable with a / key! |
| 05:42.14 | kergoth_Z | heheh |
| 05:49.12 | kergoth | woot |
| 05:49.16 | kergoth | i got the Fn mapping working |
| 05:49.53 | kergoth | shit i should release a rom with this, and with Vera |
| 05:50.05 | treke|laptop | kergoth: have you ever had a buildroot build make it all the way through without problem? :) |
| 05:50.16 | kergoth | treke|laptop: hmmm.. nope |
| 05:50.18 | kergoth | treke|laptop: :) |
| 05:50.39 | treke|laptop | hehe. so it isnt just me :p |
| 05:50.56 | treke|laptop | oh well. On that note I go to sleep |
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| 05:54.37 | kergoth_Z | woo |
| 05:54.45 | kergoth_Z | i can type colons! |
| 05:54.47 | kergoth_Z | ::: |
| 05:55.01 | kergoth | ~lart kergoth_Z |
| 05:55.06 | kergoth_Z | bastard |
| 05:56.17 | kergoth_Z | hmm.. |
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| 07:58.50 | djr | hmm |
| 07:59.00 | djr | where did kismet got in the unstable feed? |
| 07:59.02 | djr | kismet-qt is there |
| 07:59.06 | djr | but no kismet |
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| 08:02.45 | djr | or did they get moved to testing or stable? |
| 08:05.40 | schurig | djr: hmm, you could always compile it yourself :-) |
| 08:11.34 | djr | i would if i could |
| 08:11.59 | djr | i just wish there were some consistency |
| 08:12.11 | djr | irssi, kismet, mplayer, etc were all in unstable before |
| 08:12.13 | djr | now theyre not |
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| 10:08.17 | jespah | i installed libSDL from killefiz, but some programs still nag about the lack of libsdl, anyone know why? |
| 10:08.55 | schurig | jespah: arent't there tenthousand libSDL libs, e.g. -mixer, -image, whatever? Do you have the right one installed? |
| 10:09.32 | jespah | erm, i think so...its the only sdl lib for zaurus that i can find :( |
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| 10:29.05 | schurig | zecke: hi! |
| 10:30.16 | zecke | hi |
| 10:30.35 | zecke | schurig: Ramses is your platform? |
| 10:30.44 | schurig | yeah |
| 10:31.06 | zecke | schurig: why don't you ask if Opie wants to include the patches? ( buildroot-oz ) |
| 10:31.54 | schurig | zecke: I just made Opie running on Ramses. It's not adapted. You can't even set contrast/brightness. Currently I'm still very much involved with kernel work. |
| 10:32.34 | schurig | zecke: Ramses is an industrial device, so one charged accu should last for 8 hours (one workshift). And I've to do the powermanagement in the kernel ...) |
| 10:32.56 | zecke | APM das Problemkind |
| 10:32.57 | schurig | Opie is more or less a demo for our marketing people, I'm not sure if anybody will use Ramses as a PDA |
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| 10:33.14 | zecke | hi ljp |
| 10:33.32 | schurig | zecke: more than APM. I can change CPU clock and CPU core voltage on the fly. I can disable power to various subsystems when they aren't in use. Things like that. |
| 10:33.57 | zecke | schurig: yupp ( to both PDA and power management ) |
| 10:34.34 | ljp | /////////////////////////////hi zecke |
| 10:34.37 | tronical | schurig: cool, so if you make the accu work for 15 hours people will have to work 15 instead of 8? :) |
| 10:34.40 | ljp | whoops |
| 10:34.51 | schurig | zecke: at some time it would be nice if I got write access to Opie ... |
| 10:35.28 | schurig | tronical: I can make the PDA work for 15 years once our company-diver rescues the atomic power plant of a sunken USSR submarine from the polar sea ... |
| 10:35.58 | zecke | tronical: at least Rürup and SPD would love that |
| 10:36.13 | tronical | schurig: ohh, that is what your company does? |
| 10:36.29 | tronical | schurig: (cleaning up the mess undersea) |
| 10:36.41 | schurig | tronical: Power management is just so complicated because I have so many devices: Bluetooth, GSM/GPRS handy, WLAN, USB Host, USB Client, Webcam, external serial ports. |
| 10:37.46 | schurig | so, not much time for OZ or Opie until kernel work is done |
| 10:37.57 | schurig | but it's going fine so far |
| 10:38.07 | tronical | a handy undersea? for the diver to make a call at home "sorry, I'll be a home for dinner a bit later today' ? :) |
| 10:38.51 | ljp | hehee |
| 10:39.13 | schurig | tronical: and Bluetooth to have some defense against nasty sharks |
| 10:39.20 | ljp | that might depend on how deep the diver goes.. honey I'll be home for dinner of friday |
| 10:39.27 | tronical | hehehe |
| 10:39.37 | schurig | "Honey, I'll be dinner for this shark" |
| 10:40.09 | tronical | lol |
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| 11:45.41 | Piete | heya guys |
| 11:48.33 | ljp | hi |
| 11:48.34 | schurig | Piete: hi lady! |
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| 11:49.53 | Piete | get him :) |
| 11:50.37 | Piete | ahh, that was the only good thing about 'red planet' |
| 12:00.16 | schurig | what's AMEE? |
| 12:00.58 | Piete | a really wicked leopard-like shiny killing robot |
| 12:01.15 | Piete | it was in Red Planet (yes, that was a really bad movie, but the robot ruled) |
| 12:01.28 | Piete | http://www.hawaii.edu/etec/vr/videos/robotics/teacher_resources/Amee 2.JPG |
| 12:02.58 | Piete | http://www.colinmackenzie.net/robots\amee\amee_sketch.jpg |
| 12:03.59 | schurig | what a boring stuff ... |
| 12:04.22 | Piete | I know,, I can't find any good images.. you should see it move though.. |
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| 12:05.46 | schurig | Piete: naaa, not the pictures. Combat robots, anime, stuff like that. I never got the grasp what people like about this stuff. |
| 12:06.05 | schurig | I guess it's a matter of personal taste |
| 12:06.52 | Piete | schurig: well, I'm not really a fan of Anime and combat robots etc.. I don't know anything about it.. its just, I admire it when something is executed as well as amee was.. |
| 12:12.09 | Piete | so, I know the answer will probably be 'when its ready', but does anyone know when we can expect to see a 2.4.19 based OZ? |
| 12:13.12 | ljp | sometime in the future |
| 12:14.46 | jespah | *ugh* |
| 12:16.09 | schurig | Piete: when you help kergoth with the kernel programming, it will be earlier :-) |
| 12:16.49 | schurig | Or you could help me with coding the python based openembedded buildroot :-) |
| 12:17.25 | ljp | probably it is waiting for the sd driver which cant be released till after the sharp rom with the new kernel on it is released |
| 12:17.58 | Piete | prowhatting? |
| 12:18.22 | Piete | ljp: oh, yea, I forgot about that.. |
| 12:19.17 | ljp | but, that actually wouldnt stop him from releasing the kernel, ther ewould just be no sd |
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| 12:29.21 | Piete | hmm, when I upload large files to my SD card via ftp, after it gets to around 30MB, it freezes for a minute or so, and then continues.. why is that? |
| 12:30.31 | schurig | Piete: garbage collection to find free sectors maybe? |
| 12:30.45 | Piete | hmm, that could be it.. |
| 12:33.49 | Piete | oh, by the way,, does anyone know how to stop music 'leakage' from the buzzer when listeing to mp3s on a headset? |
| 12:34.04 | Piete | the buzzer gets softer, but its still mildly audible.. |
| 12:35.10 | schurig | Piete: install the setmixer ipkg from unstable (if it's there) and using the commandline try various settings |
| 12:35.24 | schurig | BUT i don't have a Z, so this is just a tip |
| 12:35.34 | Piete | you don't have a zaurus? |
| 12:35.53 | schurig | anyway, with setmixer you can control the amplification values of the linux sound system |
| 12:35.58 | schurig | Piete: no, I have a Ramses |
| 12:36.17 | Piete | never heard of it.. |
| 12:36.37 | zecke|BBall | hehe |
| 12:36.43 | schurig | Piete: we developed an industrial device named "Ramses". And OpenZaurus happens to run on it (after adpation, of course) |
| 12:36.56 | Piete | sweet,, anywhere I can look at it? |
| 12:37.13 | schurig | Piete: sure that you didn't hear about it. We just sold 400 pieces. And those 400 pieces are not even produced ... |
| 12:37.30 | schurig | Piete: maybe in a month's time at www.mn-logistik.de. |
| 12:37.38 | schurig | Right now you won't find anything there |
| 12:37.52 | zecke|BBall | schurig: enough to get the development cost out of it? |
| 12:38.10 | Piete | ok,, could you give me a brief summary of its specs? cpu, ram, rom, expansion.. etc.. |
| 12:38.14 | schurig | zecke|BBall: those 400? I don't know. |
| 12:39.15 | schurig | Piete: CPU: PXA255, 400 MHz, 128 MB RAM, 32 MB ROM, internal MMC and CF, Bluetooth, GSM/GPRS handy module, usually a WLAN card in the CF slot, Webcam, Ethernet interface (via cradle), USB Host, USB Client. |
| 12:39.37 | schurig | 2 serial lines (via cradle) and 2 digital i/o lines. |
| 12:39.37 | Piete | *drool* |
| 12:39.51 | Piete | how about its display |
| 12:39.56 | Piete | same as the Z? |
| 12:39.56 | schurig | One can use this to control stuff, e.g. a forklift. It will be used mostly in the logistics area. |
| 12:40.18 | schurig | Piete: not as good as Z, but the same dimesion: 240x320, 16 Bit |
| 12:40.45 | Piete | wow, this thing sounds pretty decent, esp with the GSM/GPRS module... |
| 12:40.54 | schurig | Keyboard is handy-like, so no querty like Z, but some functions keys and numeric keys. Z-like keys would be too small for industry worker's fingers |
| 12:40.59 | Piete | and usb host controller... sweet... |
| 12:41.08 | schurig | it *IS* decent :-) |
| 12:41.52 | Piete | what is its batter capacity? You wouldnt want it to die when you do something with something heavy over lots of people :) |
| 12:41.53 | schurig | So, in your storage warehouse you have connectivity via WLAN, in the truck via GSM/GPRS. Bluetooth for headset |
| 12:42.21 | schurig | Piete: our idea is to have it running for 8 hours at last, one working shift. Right now I'm doing the linux kernel power managment |
| 12:42.43 | schurig | 8 hours because this is the time of a workshift. |
| 12:43.33 | Piete | damn! 8 hours! wow.. |
| 12:44.08 | schurig | Piete: I guess we will sell it in two months. But it's for industry, e.g. OEMs, not for endusers. We can't handle the support of all those endusers. |
| 12:44.34 | Piete | schurig: well, I understand.. maybe I can bribe an OEM ;) |
| 12:45.54 | schurig | It's NOT optimizes for PDA, e.g. I won't do any synchronisation stuff. We exchange data with SSH, RSYNC, FTP, NFS, SMB, HTTP or even TN5250, whatever the customer needs. Almost no one would use this to just keep track of addresses and contacts. However, some OEM could do that and sell it then as an Über-PDA ... :-) |
| 12:45.58 | Piete | schurig: well, good luck with the project! :) |
| 12:46.17 | schurig | Piete: hehe, last week it survived two droppings from 1 meter 50 high onto the floor. |
| 12:46.46 | Piete | wow.. |
| 12:48.52 | Piete | schurig: well, personally I never sync my zaurus anyway.. my primary conectivity with it is via ssh, and ftp |
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| 12:59.09 | lsmith | siemens has demoed a gsm/gprs sd module |
| 12:59.28 | lsmith | for pocket pc atm only though |
| 12:59.29 | Piete | sd? sweet... |
| 12:59.38 | Piete | too bad the zaurus doesnt support SD hardware... |
| 13:00.14 | lsmith | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9132 |
| 13:00.32 | lsmith | indeed |
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| 13:07.02 | Twiun | hey * |
| 13:07.12 | Piete | lsmith: hmm, now I'm sad.. |
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| 13:08.51 | Piete | ~lart ibot |
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| 13:11.46 | Twiun | schurig: know of any open source _hardware_ licenses? |
| 13:12.03 | schurig | Twiun: try www.opencores.org and look if they have some |
| 13:12.29 | Twiun | schurig: thanks |
| 13:12.41 | schurig | Twiun: also google for "lart delft". This is a Strongarm SA1110 based board that is open source from the Technical University Delft |
| 13:12.51 | yeiazel | the F-CPU is distributed under the GPL... |
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| 13:14.55 | ljp | ibot: insult me |
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| 13:16.48 | Piete | ~lart ljp |
| 13:17.03 | Piete | thats what you deserve,, taking advantage of ibot like that.. |
| 13:17.10 | ljp | ibot insult piete |
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| 13:19.22 | ljp | bot abuse |
| 13:19.48 | Piete | *sigh*, we really need to get lives.. |
| 13:19.58 | Piete | *ducks* |
| 13:21.11 | Twiun | Piete: lives? nah, didn't you see the disclaimer before you were born? |
| 13:21.27 | Twiun | "Developer: No life required" |
| 13:21.33 | Piete | lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:21.35 | ljp | there was a disclaimer and a NDA to sign |
| 13:28.05 | Twiun | I think that was worthy of bash.org... |
| 13:29.23 | Piete | hehe ;) |
| 13:29.58 | Piete | well, I joined Paragliding school today.. Should be fun ;) |
| 13:30.22 | Twiun | try hangliding next :) |
| 13:31.03 | Piete | well, I had a choice.. but I don't fancy carrying a bunch of aluminum pipes up a mountain.. Now I just have a biig backpack ;) |
| 13:31.36 | Piete | Twiun: you hanglide? |
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| 13:36.34 | Twiun | Piete: have done, my license expired - there isn't really anywhere high enough in the UK :) |
| 13:36.40 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 13:37.07 | Piete | hehe, he's on the Z.. he's gonna type slow now ;) |
| 13:37.16 | kergoth_Z | :) |
| 13:37.24 | kergoth_Z | heheh |
| 13:38.10 | kergoth | so we have a working keyboard in qt/e on the 5500 in 2.4.19 finally |
| 13:38.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:38.19 | Twiun | Piete: actually, I should really say high and _interesting enough_ |
| 13:38.25 | Piete | kergoth congrats!! |
| 13:38.31 | Twiun | kergoth: well done :) |
| 13:38.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 13:38.46 | ljp | you need a license to hanglide?!? |
| 13:38.54 | Piete | Twiun: what? you don't like flying over boring territory on a permanently cloudy day? |
| 13:39.27 | ljp | kergoth: you get the modifiers working? |
| 13:39.33 | kergoth | ljp: yep |
| 13:39.44 | kergoth | ljp: afaict every key combo that works in console works in opie on my c700 |
| 13:39.49 | kergoth | ljp: the same will be true for the 5500 |
| 13:40.00 | ljp | great |
| 13:40.23 | kergoth | also, i finally figured out the raw keycode for the display close event |
| 13:40.29 | kergoth | so i can enable autorotation on the c700 |
| 13:40.56 | kergoth | hey weird. kergoth_Z doesnt see anything 'kergoth' types |
| 13:41.16 | ljp | one of the first q's I wanna ask is 'what happens to qkeyboard_qws.cpp when there's 20 different devices |
| 13:41.24 | kergoth | ljp: not a damn thing |
| 13:41.29 | kergoth | ljp: it obeys the kernel keymap |
| 13:41.38 | ljp | doesnt look like it |
| 13:41.38 | kergoth | if your kernel keymap sucks.. well thats your problem |
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| 13:41.43 | kergoth | ljp: it does now... |
| 13:41.48 | kergoth | ljp: thats what i did last night |
| 13:41.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:41.51 | ljp | in 2.3.5? |
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| 13:41.53 | kergoth | no |
| 13:41.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 13:41.59 | kergoth | hey drw |
| 13:41.59 | ljp | ahh.. well.. |
| 13:42.13 | drw | kergoth: morning |
| 13:42.37 | drw | hi ljp |
| 13:42.44 | kergoth | ljp: we still need the low level bits, for input via /etc/input/event0, but most of the file i can toss out the window now |
| 13:43.11 | kergoth | hey now that qt/e can use tslib for ts, and kernel keymap for keyboard, couldnt ipaq and Z share a compatible qt/e? |
| 13:43.54 | Piete | hehe, I want Karamba on my zaurus :P |
| 13:44.11 | ljp | kergoth: I am farily sure they may ask me about opie patches.. |
| 13:44.17 | ljp | fairly |
| 13:44.36 | ljp | to qte.. if they dont' I'll tell them anyway |
| 13:44.53 | Piete | later guys |
| 13:44.54 | kergoth | ljp: well, in the interests of sanity i'm willing to give them the rights to use my keyboard changes under both GPL and QPL. i dont know about the others |
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| 13:45.38 | ljp | oh, ya. well. they can maybe use the ideas.. |
| 13:45.42 | kergoth | schurig: i've said it before, i'll say it again |
| 13:45.44 | kergoth | schurig: patcher rocks. |
| 13:46.46 | kergoth | opie-irc says "Channel message with unknown sender" on messages int he chan from 'kergoth' |
| 13:46.52 | kergoth | i'm unknown :( |
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| 13:49.05 | jespah | Has anyone managed to get any game emulators working in zaurus/openzaurus? (with sound) |
| 13:49.23 | decaff | kergoth: just fyi...i get that alot on opie-irc with you...can't see what you say |
| 13:49.28 | schurig | kergoth: thanks! |
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| 13:49.34 | kergoth | decaff: that sucks! |
| 13:49.42 | decaff | kergoth: is weird |
| 13:49.47 | schurig | kergoth: the new ksirc from kde-cvs rocks, too |
| 13:49.58 | kergoth | really? i'm still using irssi in a screen :) |
| 13:50.01 | kergoth | will check it out |
| 13:50.03 | schurig | it's not as feature-rich as kvirc3, but not as bloated |
| 13:51.32 | treke|home | morning |
| 13:52.08 | kergoth | ugh i've had this kink in my trapezius for days |
| 13:52.16 | kergoth | giving me a headache |
| 13:54.04 | schurig | HEY ALL: TOMORROW IS KERGOTH'S BIRTHDAY! |
| 13:54.52 | jespah | Happy birthday eve!! |
| 13:54.56 | treke|home | kerogth is going to be an old bastard tomorrow |
| 13:55.10 | kergoth_Z | not just a bastard anymore? |
| 13:55.10 | ljp | hahahahaa |
| 13:55.18 | treke|home | nope. and old bastard |
| 13:56.18 | treke|home | 23? |
| 13:56.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 13:57.18 | treke|home | and a bed pan |
| 13:57.21 | ljp | hey now! |
| 13:57.28 | ljp | he aint that old |
| 13:57.48 | treke|home | <ljp> I didnt need a bedpan until at least 24 |
| 13:58.01 | chouimat | guy: did you can any sleep? |
| 13:58.10 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:58.27 | ljp | chouimat: have some coffee |
| 13:59.19 | chouimat | ljp: I just discovered that the station that aired SG-1 last year still does but a 9h00am saturday morning WTF |
| 13:59.46 | ljp | hehehe |
| 14:00.25 | treke|home | oh well. time for work |
| 14:00.58 | pb_ | kergoth: what's the status of busybox cvs at the moment? Do you have a version that works well? |
| 14:01.35 | kergoth | pb_: my busybox packaging needs some tender loving care per the split out of the links.. remember our wonderful upgrade path issues due to package splits :) |
| 14:01.44 | kergoth | pb_: busybox itself though has been pretty solid.. we're using .. hold |
| 14:02.01 | kergoth | 20030423 atm |
| 14:02.26 | pb_ | okay, cool. That one has a working mknod again? |
| 14:02.30 | kergoth | yup |
| 14:02.38 | kergoth | brb |
| 14:05.34 | pb_ | thanks. I might try building a new package for Familiar then. |
| 14:06.30 | pb_ | I tried installing the openzaurus busybox and tinylogin ipks on my ipaq a week or so back. For the most part they seemed to work well, but there were a couple of issues to do with applets not compiled in. Also some oddity with start-stop-daemon that I didn't really look into. |
| 14:09.07 | kergoth | what applets were missing? i know we need printf for freeswan to work properly |
| 14:09.16 | kenb | yes. |
| 14:09.22 | kenb | printf would be nice. |
| 14:09.35 | kenb | tho, I don't think we depend on it anymore |
| 14:09.46 | kenb | at least, not in the 2.00 betas |
| 14:10.39 | pb_ | kergoth: don't remember anymore. let me install again and make a list. |
| 14:11.09 | kergoth | thatd be helpful. theres really no need for us to be different pointlessly |
| 14:11.13 | kergoth | kenb: cool |
| 14:11.30 | pb_ | should I be using the ones from official/unstable/feed? |
| 14:12.06 | kergoth | pb_: nah, those are the ones with the messed up packaging. grab stable for now. it has the borked mknod, but you'll see what applets we have |
| 14:12.11 | kergoth | or you could just look at the .config |
| 14:12.13 | pb_ | righto |
| 14:12.17 | kergoth | that we're supplying in the build |
| 14:12.18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:12.50 | kergoth | oooops.. just realized i forgot to rotate the cursor keys |
| 14:12.57 | kergoth | so no game playing for me on my c700 yet |
| 14:14.09 | ljp | doh |
| 14:14.40 | ljp | bbl |
| 14:14.42 | kergoth | ljp: the cursor rotation was only happening on the zaurus and ipaq as well, which is wrong, it should rotate them whenever we're using a Transformed display driver |
| 14:14.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:14.48 | kergoth | silly T |
| 14:14.48 | kergoth | T |
| 14:14.58 | ljp | heh |
| 14:15.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: any progress |
| 14:15.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: keyboard works well on the c700 |
| 14:15.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which means.. |
| 14:15.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: keyboard will work well on 5500 w/ 2.4.19 |
| 14:15.55 | TheMasterMind1 | very nice |
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| 14:16.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: Once I have masticator's 5600 running oz well, i'll release 3.3.1 |
| 14:16.48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: testing release, with 5000d/5500/5600/b500/c700 support |
| 14:17.16 | pb_ | kergoth: ah, looks like mount is the big one. |
| 14:17.35 | kergoth | pb_: ahh for some reason we're using util-linux mount. dont ask me why |
| 14:19.03 | kergoth | pb_: you happen to know where a netcat ipk is? need to do an scap |
| 14:19.27 | pb_ | busybox nc doesn't work? |
| 14:19.37 | kergoth | oh, forgot about busybox nc |
| 14:19.39 | kergoth | lol |
| 14:19.40 | kergoth | thanks |
| 14:19.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 14:21.03 | pb_ | ah, looks like the start-stop-daemon thing is because familiar previously used a non-busybox version (not sure where from) which understands more options. and, of course, some of our initscripts rely on those. |
| 14:22.12 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 14:22.41 | pb_ | can probably fix our scripts not to do that, though. |
| 14:23.14 | pb_ | atd seems to be the main offender. it does "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/atd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/atd /var/spool/at >/dev/null 2>&1" |
| 14:23.30 | pb_ | redirecting all error messages to /dev/null is especially helpful there. |
| 14:24.16 | kergoth | yeah, switch it to use the short opts, ditch --quiet. i dont recall if busybo xstart-stop-daemon supports -p, but if not, it neds to |
| 14:24.19 | kergoth | needs rather |
| 14:24.44 | pb_ | start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- p |
| 14:24.45 | pb_ | lose |
| 14:25.24 | kergoth | well thats a problem. obviously without that, we have no protection against multiple invocations |
| 14:25.39 | pb_ | right. |
| 14:26.02 | kergoth | http://handhelds.org/scap/tojpeg.cgi?fn=port.14900.png :) |
| 14:26.14 | kergoth`bbl | need to clean my house a bit |
| 14:26.16 | kergoth`bbl | bbl |
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| 14:36.55 | kenb | ibot: change 14 usd to cad |
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| 14:37.31 | ivan | ibot: change usd 14 to cad |
| 14:37.33 | chouimat | kenb: 20.34 |
| 14:37.52 | ivan | ibot: change usd cad 14 |
| 14:37.57 | ivan | what does |
| 14:38.06 | chouimat | ivan: that feature don't work anymore |
| 14:38.25 | kenb | I wanted ibot doing it |
| 14:38.30 | kenb | cause my blootbot is busted too |
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| 14:38.48 | kenb | trying to figure out if it broke it, or the author did. |
| 14:38.55 | chouimat | kenb: the site |
| 14:39.02 | kenb | oh |
| 14:39.18 | carsten | hi all! |
| 14:39.32 | ljp | hey carsten |
| 14:39.33 | ivan | it's just infobot, it sucks |
| 14:39.38 | ivan | i can't believe people still use it |
| 14:39.47 | chouimat | kenb: they said that a bot is an automated script and they said it's against the "llicence of the site" |
| 14:40.23 | kenb | ah. so they broke it. |
| 14:40.27 | chouimat | yup |
| 14:40.32 | kenb | assholes. |
| 14:40.41 | chouimat | yup |
| 14:40.49 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 14:40.53 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 5 C (41 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 1400 UTC). |
| 14:40.56 | kenb | heh. If I was a real BOFH, I'd nullroute them for a week. |
| 14:41.07 | chouimat | kenb: hehe |
| 14:41.12 | kenb | weatherbot: weather yyz |
| 14:41.14 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station YYZ |
| 14:41.22 | kenb | oh. not airport codes. |
| 14:41.34 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyyz |
| 14:41.36 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Toronto Pearson Int'L. Ont., Canada: It is 8 C (48 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 1400 UTC). |
| 14:41.51 | kenb | neat. |
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| 14:42.05 | ljp | I'll need to find a station for brisbane |
| 14:42.38 | chouimat | kenb: yup butt I need to fix it to have the rest of the info ... like sunny,rain etc ... |
| 14:42.49 | kenb | yea. |
| 14:42.53 | kenb | 7day forcast :0 |
| 14:43.26 | chouimat | kenb: the observation are in metar format and the forecast is another one |
| 14:43.31 | kenb | ah |
| 14:45.37 | treke | wheee |
| 14:46.01 | treke | migrated to win2k for dns and it isnt working :) thought windows was supposed to be easy |
| 14:47.01 | ljp | ha it is if you know how to do it |
| 14:47.34 | ljp | weatherbot: weather ybbn |
| 14:47.35 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Brisbane Airport M. O, Australia: It is 18 C (66 F), windspeed is 12.87 km/h, and visibility is 11.27 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 1400 UTC). |
| 14:47.38 | bipolar | ,,,O.o,,, |
| 14:57.30 | ljp | hmmmwtf kinda power sockets does Au use, I wonder |
| 15:00.50 | ljp | cool, I may have found an ibm pIII 700 lappie to trade some desktops for weee! |
| 15:08.18 | ivan | weatherbot: weather hell |
| 15:08.21 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station HELL |
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| 15:08.47 | ivan | weatherbot: weather kink |
| 15:08.49 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Wink, Winkler County Airport, TX, United States: It is 18 C (66 F), windspeed is 11.27 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 1353 UTC). |
| 15:09.00 | ljp | weatherbot: weather krud |
| 15:09.02 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station KRUD |
| 15:09.07 | ljp | weatherbot: weather krap |
| 15:09.08 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Rapid City, Rapid City Regional Airport, SD, United States: It is 11 C (53 F), windspeed is 8.05 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 1452 UTC). |
| 15:09.28 | ljp | I like that metar.. krap |
| 15:09.35 | ljp | and its in SD |
| 15:09.38 | ljp | hahahaaa |
| 15:09.46 | kergoth`bbl | weatherbot: weather kmsp |
| 15:09.47 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Minneapolis, Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, MN, United States: It is 12 C (54 F), windspeed is 8.05 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 1453 UTC). |
| 15:10.25 | ljp | kergoth`bbl: think I have to pass on the Dallas thing |
| 15:10.55 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: cant pass up australia eh? cant blame ya |
| 15:11.18 | ljp | ya, the TI is only an interview. cant wait till friday. and I already told TT yes |
| 15:13.21 | ljp | plus both my brothers are already making plans to visit me in Brisbane |
| 15:13.31 | kergoth`bbl | find output/rootfs/ -perm +001 |xargs file|grep ARM.*not.*stripped <-handy dandy command |
| 15:13.34 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 15:13.36 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: nice |
| 15:14.19 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: seen harlekin |
| 15:14.19 | | harlekin is currently on #opie (3h 57m 20s) #handhelds.org (3h 57m 20s) |
| 15:14.19 | ljp | kergoth`bbl: you should put all your handy commands on a web page somewhere :) |
| 15:14.43 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: thats not a bad idea actually. they're stuffed in a text file in my homedir atm |
| 15:14.46 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 15:16.17 | ljp | cant wait to have a lappie again |
| 15:17.46 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: opinion |
| 15:17.49 | kergoth`bbl | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26247.png font size |
| 15:17.49 | kergoth`bbl | or |
| 15:18.00 | kergoth`bbl | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21299.png |
| 15:18.06 | kergoth`bbl | i like the latter myself. 16, instead of 1 |
| 15:18.08 | kergoth`bbl | 18 |
| 15:18.33 | ivan | c700 is 400mhz scale, right? |
| 15:18.42 | kergoth`bbl | yeah, pxa250 though |
| 15:18.55 | ivan | is that better than the 5600? |
| 15:19.18 | ivan | doesn't having twice the pixels slow it down a bit? |
| 15:19.24 | kergoth`bbl | less battery, 640x480 nicer screen, better formfactor |
| 15:19.28 | kergoth`bbl | not afaict |
| 15:19.31 | ljp | I like the 16 |
| 15:19.51 | ljp | hey, maybe I will ba able to afford a c700.. |
| 15:19.53 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: isnt it weird that 18 seems almost bold even in the non bold versions? its like .. thicker or something |
| 15:20.05 | ljp | ya, I was going to ask about that |
| 15:20.25 | kergoth`bbl | dunno, its generated out of the ttf like everything else. dont think its something wrong in the conversion |
| 15:20.43 | ljp | wonder if the ttf is like that |
| 15:20.49 | kergoth`bbl | good question |
| 15:20.54 | kergoth`bbl | maybe use hte freetype opie plugin to check |
| 15:21.08 | kergoth`bbl | i'll change large screen sizes default font size to 16 instead of 18 for now regardless |
| 15:22.23 | ljp | I'm finally going to get a cf eth card |
| 15:22.40 | kergoth`bbl | good.. they're sooo handy |
| 15:22.50 | ljp | and a serial cable |
| 15:23.13 | ljp | I havent been able to afford anything! |
| 15:23.53 | TheMasterMind1 | i made myself a serial cable out of the cradle connector :) |
| 15:24.04 | ljp | I was going to do that |
| 15:24.05 | absentia2 | re |
| 15:24.12 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: i have /! |
| 15:24.15 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: and :! |
| 15:24.17 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: :D |
| 15:24.31 | ljp | isnt that spacial.... |
| 15:24.39 | kergoth`bbl | yes, it is |
| 15:24.45 | ljp | :D |
| 15:24.51 | absentia2 | HAHAH! |
| 15:24.53 | absentia2 | give! |
| 15:25.16 | ljp | I got shitloads to do before I leave... |
| 15:25.29 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: i'll upload the image in a sec |
| 15:25.36 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: i just flashed it to test, and its workin |
| 15:25.59 | absentia2 | cool |
| 15:26.08 | absentia2 | I like that I can flash |
| 15:26.13 | absentia2 | and then ipkg-list add opie-irc |
| 15:26.15 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 15:26.17 | absentia2 | and it sees it on sd, tec. |
| 15:26.19 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 15:26.27 | TheMasterMind1 | Host AP (not HostAP) for Hermes/Orinoco cards - http://www.hunz.org/hermesap.html |
| 15:26.33 | absentia2 | I'm gonna see if I canmake backgammon go full screen today |
| 15:26.46 | TheMasterMind1 | HermesAP |
| 15:26.53 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: hey cool |
| 15:26.58 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: i didnt know that existed |
| 15:27.01 | kergoth`bbl | nice |
| 15:28.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: nor did i, just saw #kismet topic |
| 15:29.00 | TheMasterMind1 | looks sweet, if they actually incorporate monitor mode and all the other patches (we16) into that it'll rock |
| 15:29.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i should send my patches in |
| 15:29.15 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: fyi |
| 15:29.28 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: mickeyl has been testing orinoco 13b w/ spectrum |
| 15:29.39 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: says its working well, that we should switch in a week or two |
| 15:30.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh nice |
| 15:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | with all the patches that i created? |
| 15:30.49 | TheMasterMind1 | monitor, we16 etc etc? |
| 15:30.56 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: not sure if he has monitor and we16 or not. have to ask him |
| 15:30.59 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 15:31.09 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz 13b was working iirc, but some patches weren't compatible |
| 15:31.20 | mewyn | anyone ever use lirc on the Z? |
| 15:32.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: so ts and sd is all thats left for .19 |
| 15:32.22 | TheMasterMind1 | and sharp devices and irda still i think |
| 15:32.26 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: well, we have the sd module, just need to test it |
| 15:32.40 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: its basically ts, and finishing touches |
| 15:32.44 | TheMasterMind1 | insmod --force ? |
| 15:33.03 | mewyn | kergoth`bbl: is there any trick to making the standard IR functions work in OZ 3.2, i click on enable irda, and nothing happens |
| 15:33.29 | kergoth`bbl | mewyn: uh, enabling irda is confirmed to work just fine |
| 15:33.30 | mewyn | shit, it actually worked this time |
| 15:33.32 | mewyn | wtf |
| 15:33.34 | kergoth`bbl | aha |
| 15:33.38 | mewyn | it wasn't working last night |
| 15:33.53 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 15:34.07 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: yep, or change the kernel version in the object code, maybe objcopy or what have you to make it load clean |
| 15:34.16 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, gotcha |
| 15:34.36 | TheMasterMind1 | so TS still |
| 15:34.44 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid TS |
| 15:34.57 | kergoth`bbl | yep. and some minor little bits.. compat interfaces, battery switch, blah |
| 15:35.05 | kergoth`bbl | little stuff i never did cause it was so low priority |
| 15:35.06 | kergoth`bbl | hehe |
| 15:36.02 | mewyn | damn... still can't use the lirc stuff |
| 15:36.15 | mewyn | w...t...f... |
| 15:36.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg install lirc; zremote |
| 15:36.34 | TheMasterMind1 | its not hard |
| 15:36.37 | chouimat | burp |
| 15:36.53 | kergoth`bbl | that reminds me |
| 15:36.56 | kergoth`bbl | need to update TODO |
| 15:37.27 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: is not in front of the screen that you will be able to clean the house |
| 15:37.33 | absentia2 | is picogui better than opie? |
| 15:37.34 | kergoth`bbl | chouimat: hehe |
| 15:37.39 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: different |
| 15:37.41 | absentia2 | my screen shots don't look like any of those on openzaurus |
| 15:37.59 | chouimat | absentia2: ever heard of gimp? |
| 15:38.04 | kergoth`bbl | hah |
| 15:38.18 | absentia2 | http://minipc.vulcan.com/int_template.asp?page=unitspec |
| 15:38.21 | absentia2 | ya |
| 15:38.23 | absentia2 | use gimp all the time |
| 15:38.49 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: alright, doing another flash and test and then i'll upload it, and update the feed with actual stripped opie ipks |
| 15:38.52 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 15:39.11 | absentia2 | ok |
| 15:39.23 | kergoth`bbl | reconfiguring .. |
| 15:39.48 | TheMasterMind1 | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26656.png |
| 15:39.49 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 15:39.52 | TheMasterMind1 | gpe is sweet |
| 15:40.23 | chouimat | ok the one based Gtk+ |
| 15:40.31 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: so's opie :) |
| 15:40.39 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: i like how they both look, they're different |
| 15:40.46 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: go add libgtk2 to buildroot :P |
| 15:42.13 | pb_ | no word from noidd on gtk2 then? |
| 15:42.40 | kergoth | havent heard anything |
| 15:42.46 | kergoth | ibot: seen noidd |
| 15:42.46 | | noidd <~arse@66-193-15-64.gen.twtelecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2d 20h 51m 15s ago, saying: 'sounds good'. |
| 15:44.20 | absentia2 | what is that png? |
| 15:44.23 | absentia2 | what os ? |
| 15:44.39 | kergoth | absentia2: linux, gpe |
| 15:45.01 | ljp | familiar |
| 15:45.06 | absentia2 | k |
| 15:45.15 | kergoth | familiar's a distro, not an os :) |
| 15:45.20 | absentia2 | what makes OZ .. OZ? |
| 15:45.22 | ljp | I know. |
| 15:45.29 | absentia2 | just the combination and configurations? |
| 15:45.34 | chouimat | kenb: someone compiled gcc 3.2.2 natively on the webpal |
| 15:45.40 | ljp | heh |
| 15:45.50 | ljp | bbl |
| 15:46.00 | kergoth | absentia2: any linux distribution is essentially a kernel, packaging system, and packages. |
| 15:46.14 | chouimat | kergoth: ANY OS IS THAT |
| 15:46.27 | kergoth | absentia2: said packages then have what i call distributionisms.. specific changes to the packages, usually based on policy decisions |
| 15:46.31 | kergoth | chouimat: point tkaen |
| 15:46.37 | kergoth | chouimat: POINT TAKEN |
| 15:46.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:46.55 | chouimat | kergoth: sorry bob was walking near my keyboard |
| 15:47.25 | chouimat | wow! free full body massages for year spam |
| 15:47.25 | absentia2 | OZ is a distribution |
| 15:47.27 | absentia2 | ok |
| 15:47.46 | chouimat | absentia2: I thought it was a magical country |
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| 15:47.55 | chouimat | hi kurre |
| 15:48.11 | absentia2 | so |
| 15:48.14 | absentia2 | what was the key to the keys? |
| 15:48.23 | kergoth | PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTIAN |
| 15:48.24 | kergoth | CURTAIN |
| 15:48.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:48.27 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 15:49.12 | kergoth | hm, i need to change the default wireless.opts to be completely commented out for better operation with our new wireless config |
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| 15:49.59 | kergoth | absentia2: initrd.bin is up |
| 15:50.01 | kergoth | absentia2: uploading the feed updates now |
| 15:50.41 | absentia2 | downloading straight to c700 |
| 15:51.44 | kurre | chouimat: hi!, it seems I got this desktop upgraded to rh9 + xfs patch succesfully :) |
| 15:53.47 | chouimat | ewwww rh9 |
| 15:53.58 | kergoth | eww rh |
| 15:53.59 | absentia2 | ker: does the new gcc have the path fix? |
| 15:54.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:54.07 | kergoth | absentia2: nah not yet, havent figured out why its broken yet |
| 15:54.13 | absentia2 | k |
| 15:54.21 | kergoth | absentia2: i'll hack on it today, maybe toss a libc6-dev package up as well |
| 15:54.22 | absentia2 | will there be a gcc there? |
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| 15:54.25 | absentia2 | or should I Save my old one ? |
| 15:54.35 | absentia2 | ie: do you update the entire feed, or just overwrite some files. |
| 15:54.37 | kergoth | not deleting anything, just uploading the new ipks |
| 15:55.32 | harv | when i attempt to ssh into my openzaurus...it keeps rejecting my password...anyone help? |
| 15:55.32 | harv | plz? |
| 15:55.48 | kergoth | harv: what password? root by default doesnt have one. |
| 15:55.56 | carsten | harv: sure you connect to it and not your Desktop? |
| 15:56.00 | carsten | try your desktops root-pw |
| 15:56.06 | harv | ok...will do |
| 15:56.11 | kergoth | good call carsten :) |
| 15:56.27 | carsten | kergoth: I did that a million times ;) That is now the first thing I try |
| 15:56.56 | kurre | chouimat: I had some problems with rh9 + ext3 (filesystem corruption), so ... This is more like a test to see if xfs works any better with recent kernels |
| 15:57.49 | harv | ok...so now i've logged into my own machine? that's no good :D how should i connect to zaurus? i've got the usb connection up and can ping now |
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| 15:57.58 | chouimat | i had problem with xfs and usb |
| 15:58.06 | kergoth | harv: uh, ssh 192.168.129.201, not 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:58.09 | absentia2 | ok |
| 15:58.14 | absentia2 | I don't want to lose gcc today |
| 15:58.17 | absentia2 | I want to try to compile some new things |
| 15:58.18 | carsten | harv: what is "ifconfig -a " telling you about usb0? |
| 15:58.48 | harv | Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 40:00:00:00:FF:0C |
| 15:58.49 | harv | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.49 | harv | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.49 | harv | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.50 | harv | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.50 | harv | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.51 | harv | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.06 | kergoth | harv: that on the desktop or the Z? |
| 15:59.14 | kergoth | oh, usb0 |
| 15:59.14 | harv | on the desktop |
| 15:59.18 | kergoth | dood, you assigned your desktop the Z's ip |
| 15:59.20 | kergoth | ~lart harv |
| 15:59.21 | kurre | chouimat: doesn't sound too good ... |
| 15:59.29 | kergoth | harv: the Z is 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:59.33 | kergoth | harv: your desktop should be 192.168.129.1 |
| 15:59.53 | chouimat | kurre: yup so now I reverted to reiserfs |
| 16:00.35 | kurre | chouimat: Well, I have had some much problems with reiserfs & nfs in the past that I'm not going to touch it ... :( |
| 16:01.15 | kurre | some --> so |
| 16:02.00 | absentia2 | opie consoles doesn't have a font selection |
| 16:02.02 | absentia2 | ? |
| 16:02.03 | kergoth | absentia2: feed updated |
| 16:02.05 | kergoth | it doesnt? |
| 16:02.10 | absentia2 | ok |
| 16:02.19 | kergoth | embeddedkonsole does |
| 16:02.23 | kergoth | i havent tested opie-console in a bit |
| 16:02.33 | absentia2 | k |
| 16:02.43 | chouimat | kurre: I tried JFS but it was sloooooow |
| 16:02.44 | carsten | which mkfs.jffs2-version is current? |
| 16:02.49 | carsten | or: what do you use? |
| 16:03.24 | kergoth | i use mkfs.jffs2 from mtd cvs |
| 16:04.05 | carsten | could you do a mkfs.jff2 --version? |
| 16:04.27 | kergoth | ~/oz/corgi$ build/mtd/util/mkfs.jffs2 --version |
| 16:04.28 | kergoth | mkfs.jffs2: revision 1.36 |
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| 16:07.20 | kurre | chouimat: looks like there is no single stable & fast solution available at the moment. I'll just hope I don't have to mess with filesystem problems in the near future. I really do have something else to do. |
| 16:08.06 | harv | ok...so now i'm afraid i'm thoroughly confused...i'm able to ping the Z, but not able to login via ssh 192.168.129.201... |
| 16:08.06 | harv | my Z clearly states his ip is 192.168.129.201 |
| 16:08.06 | harv | if i understand correctly, the 192.168.129.1 address is the Z's address for my desktop, right? |
| 16:08.14 | kergoth | harv: ? |
| 16:08.31 | kergoth | 192.168.129.1 is the desktop's ip of its usb interface |
| 16:08.38 | kergoth | the Z has nothing to do with the desktop's ip |
| 16:08.46 | kergoth | with the exception of setting the allowed ip/mask for syncing |
| 16:09.23 | harv | ok...sorry for being a dumbass...i've got it now...tks! |
| 16:09.41 | kergoth | np |
| 16:10.18 | harv | i was basically configuring the Z's address as my own apparently... |
| 16:10.18 | harv | plz 4give :D |
| 16:10.35 | kergoth | you were configuring your desktop to the same IP the Z has |
| 16:10.38 | kergoth | not vice versa |
| 16:10.59 | harv | right...hell, i'm having a hard time even explaining it...but i see what u mean |
| 16:11.04 | harv | tks again! |
| 16:11.32 | kergoth | smells like charcoal lighter. somebody must be grilling |
| 16:11.35 | kergoth | man, i need to buy a grill |
| 16:13.56 | kergoth | absentia2: hows that image working? |
| 16:14.16 | chouimat | kergoth: yup a grill is less trouble than a gf :) |
| 16:14.23 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 16:20.26 | carsten | anyone in here interested in testing opie-i18n-nl? |
| 16:20.31 | kergoth | http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2003-April/000044.html <-woo |
| 16:20.53 | absentia2 | ah |
| 16:20.56 | absentia2 | can't wget -r on the c700 |
| 16:21.03 | absentia2 | so I will do it on the freebsd |
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| 16:22.53 | carsten | kergoth: opie-i18n-*.ipk is missing in the zaurus-feed on http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 16:23.18 | kergoth | carsten: hmm .. k . bipolar normally does the updates, he must not have lupdate and lrelease in his path. I'll update it. |
| 16:23.21 | kergoth | carsten: thanks |
| 16:29.32 | absentia2 | kergoth: think that socket wifi cf + 128mb will work? |
| 16:29.48 | kergoth | absentia2: hmm |
| 16:29.51 | kergoth | absentia2: should. |
| 16:30.04 | absentia2 | k |
| 16:30.06 | kergoth | absentia2: worst case there'll be some kernel dev to make it work |
| 16:30.09 | absentia2 | $130 for it |
| 16:30.16 | kergoth | thats cool. |
| 16:30.20 | kergoth | tempting, even |
| 16:30.20 | absentia2 | yup |
| 16:30.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:30.24 | absentia2 | I know |
| 16:30.29 | absentia2 | I like to put my flash on the cf |
| 16:30.35 | absentia2 | but I have to take out the wifi t put the cf in |
| 16:30.46 | absentia2 | I also saw an sd cell phone |
| 16:30.48 | kergoth | hmm, i wonder if the cf updater would be able to handle it :) |
| 16:30.48 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 16:30.53 | absentia2 | I kid yo uknot. |
| 16:30.58 | kergoth | ehhh wtf |
| 16:31.02 | absentia2 | yes |
| 16:31.25 | absentia2 | or, shuold I say.. a cell hone in an "sd" form. |
| 16:31.42 | kergoth | i dont like tiny tiny tiny cells |
| 16:31.47 | absentia2 | ya |
| 16:31.47 | kergoth | or cell/pda combos |
| 16:31.55 | kergoth | give me a normal cell, preferably with bluetooth, and a normal pda |
| 16:31.59 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:32.02 | absentia2 | perhaps |
| 16:32.02 | pb_ | yeah, the sdio gsm card is a cool toy, but I can't see myself using it much. |
| 16:32.13 | absentia2 | me either |
| 16:32.15 | pb_ | sdio wifi, on the other hand, would rock. bring it on. |
| 16:32.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:33.06 | kergoth | pb_: you see this? http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2003-April/000044.html |
| 16:33.11 | kergoth | pb_: pcmcia is going to suck less! |
| 16:33.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:33.26 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah! sounds cool. |
| 16:33.32 | pb_ | 'bout time too :-) |
| 16:33.38 | absentia2 | why does it suck now ? |
| 16:33.38 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 16:34.53 | pb_ | absentia2: huge baroque software stack, which can't operate with a userspace daemon (so root fs can't be on a pcmcia device for example) |
| 16:35.03 | pb_ | er, _without_ a userspace daemon. |
| 16:35.55 | pb_ | absentia2: think about how badly it would suck if pci cards were handled the same way as pcmcia is now. |
| 16:36.08 | absentia2 | ok |
| 16:36.10 | absentia2 | feed sucked down |
| 16:36.45 | absentia2 | I guess I just don't know how bad this is |
| 16:37.08 | kergoth | absentia2: just rest assured it does, and it'll suck less going forward |
| 16:37.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:37.12 | pb_ | a lot of the pcmcia code dates from the early 1990s, and hasn't changed much in those ten years. The rest of the kernel has evolved a lot more supporting infrastructure in that time. |
| 16:39.33 | absentia2 | ah |
| 16:39.38 | absentia2 | I remember it USE to suck |
| 16:39.41 | absentia2 | worse |
| 16:40.36 | absentia2 | now I lose the wifi having to opy the feed in |
| 16:40.39 | absentia2 | and have to type on the pda.. |
| 16:40.47 | absentia2 | I need to compile wget on the zaurus.. direct |
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| 16:42.46 | absentia2 | kergioth: what command do I use to install that .deb file for the libg6? |
| 16:43.08 | kergoth | absentia2: ipkg :) |
| 16:43.17 | absentia2 | k |
| 16:43.22 | kergoth | absentia2: .ipk is the same format as .deb, really. the current ipk format anyway |
| 16:43.25 | kergoth | ipkg can install .debs |
| 16:43.33 | absentia2 | ok |
| 16:43.33 | absentia2 | good |
| 16:43.35 | absentia2 | I tought that was the case |
| 16:43.53 | kergoth | makes it much easier. if you cant find an ipk, worst case you can swipe it from debian |
| 16:44.09 | absentia2 | I lookeed fror 3 minutes |
| 16:44.12 | absentia2 | couldn'tfind an debs |
| 16:44.14 | absentia2 | but I"ll look again |
| 16:44.17 | absentia2 | 30 monutes |
| 16:44.21 | kergoth | its in the same dir as every othre deb |
| 16:44.29 | absentia2 | dude |
| 16:44.31 | absentia2 | I do freebsd |
| 16:44.31 | kergoth | its like debian/pool/main/g/glibc/ or something |
| 16:44.33 | absentia2 | I don't do linux |
| 16:44.35 | absentia2 | ah |
| 16:44.35 | absentia2 | ok |
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| 16:59.58 | absentia2 | cd /mnt/card; cp -Rp /mnt/cf/. . |
| 17:00.06 | absentia2 | it will merge the images |
| 17:00.19 | kergoth | remember |
| 17:00.23 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.33 | kergoth | you dont want to overwrite the main one with that one |
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| 17:01.03 | absentia2 | ? |
| 17:01.03 | absentia2 | to late |
| 17:01.04 | absentia2 | alrady running my command |
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| 17:01.20 | kergoth | let me know if it works |
| 17:01.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:01.24 | absentia2 | k |
| 17:01.32 | absentia2 | still copying |
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| 17:02.09 | carsten | is it possible that ipkg is heavily broken? I get this: |
| 17:02.11 | carsten | Package opie-today (0.6-20030328-1) installed in root is up to date. |
| 17:02.19 | carsten | BUT: that is not the current version. |
| 17:02.37 | absentia2 | ipkg -- It'll Probably Killit Good |
| 17:03.11 | kergoth | carsten: ipkg is usually broken. just never know in what ways :) |
| 17:04.09 | carsten | I have mickeyl's URL in my /etc/ipkg.conf and he tells me everyting is up2date. But only one package is... |
| 17:04.10 | absentia2 | ok |
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| 17:04.24 | kergoth | carsten: try wgetting it and installing it locally |
| 17:04.51 | carsten | kergoth: you mean ipkg or what? I don't want to update all packages by hand |
| 17:05.08 | absentia2 | flashing |
| 17:05.21 | kergoth | carsten: well i dont know what to tell you. it sounds like that ipkg version has an upgrade bug. |
| 17:05.25 | kergoth | carsten: ipkg --version |
| 17:05.50 | carsten | # ipkg -v |
| 17:05.50 | carsten | ipkg version 0.99.83 |
| 17:05.56 | kergoth | current |
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| 17:06.18 | kergoth | ipkg -V3 upgrade opie-today |
| 17:06.23 | kergoth | send that output to me in meial |
| 17:06.24 | kergoth | email |
| 17:06.29 | kergoth | i'll report it if it looks legitimately broken |
| 17:07.12 | absentia2 | booting |
| 17:07.35 | _Psycho | talking about keyboard thing, its ppushed around yet kergoth ? |
| 17:08.04 | kergoth | _Psycho: yup, clean and rebuild qte after pullingf. |
| 17:08.15 | _Psycho | will tomorow |
| 17:08.16 | kergoth | _Psycho: you'll probably want current opie as well, so mrproper that |
| 17:08.18 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:08.19 | _Psycho | most likeley |
| 17:08.19 | carsten | kergoth: you got mail |
| 17:08.26 | _Psycho | cool |
| 17:08.29 | absentia2 | recfonfiguring |
| 17:08.59 | _Psycho | i wonder if i can cut the head of these Tungsten T stylus |
| 17:09.04 | _Psycho | they fit very well on my c700 |
| 17:09.10 | absentia2 | I broke my stulus |
| 17:09.17 | _Psycho | except they like 3mm too long |
| 17:09.18 | absentia2 | but I like papermate pencils better |
| 17:09.19 | absentia2 | as a stylus |
| 17:09.21 | absentia2 | longer, etc |
| 17:09.25 | absentia2 | but I'd like to get a stylus replacement |
| 17:09.29 | absentia2 | just to store in the pda |
| 17:09.33 | kergoth | carsten: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade opie-today; ipkg info opie-today; .. send me the output of all 3 commands |
| 17:11.58 | carsten | send |
| 17:12.33 | carsten | For all vim-users: this is cool! :http://www.geocities.com/yegappan/taglist/screenshots.html |
| 17:14.12 | kergoth | carsten: cat /etc/ipkg/aarch.conf |
| 17:14.18 | kergoth | carsten: /etc/ipkg/arch.conf i mean |
| 17:14.31 | absentia2 | still configuring |
| 17:15.05 | carsten | # cat /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 17:15.05 | carsten | arch all 1 |
| 17:15.05 | carsten | arch arm 1 |
| 17:15.05 | carsten | arch arml 5 |
| 17:15.05 | carsten | arch armv1l 10 |
| 17:15.05 | carsten | arch armv2l 10 |
| 17:15.08 | carsten | arch armv3l 10 |
| 17:15.12 | carsten | arch armv3l-arm7 10 |
| 17:15.14 | carsten | arch armv4l 25 |
| 17:15.16 | carsten | arch armv4l-xscale 25 |
| 17:15.18 | carsten | arch armv4l-strongarm 50 |
| 17:15.19 | yeiafk | carsten: coool @screenshots :) |
| 17:15.20 | carsten | arch strongarm 50 |
| 17:15.22 | carsten | arch collie 100 |
| 17:15.23 | carsten | yeiafk: yes |
| 17:16.50 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 17:16.53 | absentia2 | calibration |
| 17:16.58 | absentia2 | ok, the time window finally isn't 0 height |
| 17:17.21 | kergoth | it is for me |
| 17:17.24 | kergoth | that window is weird |
| 17:17.31 | absentia2 | put in wifi |
| 17:17.33 | absentia2 | locked |
| 17:17.34 | absentia2 | rebooting |
| 17:18.00 | _Psycho | any idea why that windows keep reopping after a reboot and why we lose time ? |
| 17:18.11 | absentia2 | ya |
| 17:18.12 | absentia2 | annoying |
| 17:18.15 | absentia2 | and the am?pm thing |
| 17:18.24 | kergoth | _Psycho: if you set the time, it wont pop up |
| 17:18.31 | kergoth | _Psycho: you shouldnt lose the time, if so its a bug |
| 17:18.38 | absentia2 | it comes up every time for me |
| 17:18.41 | absentia2 | after a reboot |
| 17:18.42 | _Psycho | i did, reboot -> time is lost, windows repop |
| 17:18.52 | absentia2 | and always complains about the ntp min time query |
| 17:18.57 | _Psycho | yeah most likely a opie something bug hehe |
| 17:19.01 | absentia2 | so you have to click through several windows |
| 17:19.10 | kergoth | no, its not going to be an opie bug |
| 17:19.20 | absentia2 | rebooting |
| 17:19.21 | kergoth | does the time stick if you set the time, then suspend, resume, then reboot? |
| 17:19.25 | kergoth | try it. |
| 17:19.34 | absentia2 | yes |
| 17:19.44 | _Psycho | rebooting |
| 17:20.00 | kergoth | if so, its only not being saved on shutdown, but is on suspend |
| 17:20.06 | kergoth | which is probably an easy fix |
| 17:21.15 | kergoth | absentia2: keyboard. working? |
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| 17:21.30 | absentia2 | windows is 0 size |
| 17:21.31 | absentia2 | for the time |
| 17:21.33 | absentia2 | after the reboo |
| 17:21.40 | kergoth | yeah, that window is randomly 0 |
| 17:21.44 | kergoth | for whatever reaon |
| 17:21.46 | kergoth | its annoying |
| 17:21.48 | absentia2 | cant' start the app |
| 17:21.49 | absentia2 | system time |
| 17:21.51 | absentia2 | same as last time |
| 17:21.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:21.53 | absentia2 | before th reboot |
| 17:21.56 | kergoth | did i forget to include systemtime? |
| 17:21.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:22.04 | kergoth | install opie-systemtime |
| 17:22.10 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 17:22.12 | absentia2 | hold |
| 17:22.27 | absentia2 | have to go through the throws of getting my sd feed configured |
| 17:22.32 | kergoth | silly bug. i need task-opie for c700, then the image will be consistent |
| 17:22.33 | kergoth | k |
| 17:22.43 | absentia2 | no / |
| 17:22.46 | absentia2 | in konsole |
| 17:22.50 | kergoth | eh |
| 17:22.57 | kergoth | you have to hold down shift while you hit / |
| 17:22.59 | kergoth | its not sticky atm |
| 17:23.05 | kergoth | the behavior is slightly different |
| 17:23.19 | absentia2 | keyboard won't come up |
| 17:23.21 | absentia2 | can't type a / |
| 17:23.23 | absentia2 | to edit the config file |
| 17:23.28 | kergoth | use handwriting |
| 17:23.29 | absentia2 | ya |
| 17:23.31 | absentia2 | I did hold down |
| 17:23.34 | kergoth | lower left to upper right |
| 17:23.35 | absentia2 | I don't know how to get a / |
| 17:23.37 | absentia2 | tried for days |
| 17:23.37 | _Psycho | opie-systemtime ? oh maybe its that |
| 17:23.41 | absentia2 | ah |
| 17:23.41 | kergoth | lower left to upper right |
| 17:23.42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:23.46 | kergoth | i couldnt figure it out either |
| 17:23.50 | absentia2 | ok |
| 17:23.50 | kergoth | i had to go into the config of handwriting |
| 17:23.51 | absentia2 | that works |
| 17:23.56 | absentia2 | ya |
| 17:24.01 | absentia2 | I was gonna sit through that one time |
| 17:24.02 | absentia2 | when I had some time |
| 17:24.14 | absentia2 | bnetter than then keyboard |
| 17:24.14 | kergoth | okay, so / isnt working? it does in this image. hmm |
| 17:24.19 | absentia2 | it's too small for fast typing |
| 17:24.24 | absentia2 | ya |
| 17:24.28 | absentia2 | not in konsole |
| 17:24.40 | kergoth | i just typed it |
| 17:24.41 | kergoth | again |
| 17:24.44 | absentia2 | arrows don'w towkr |
| 17:24.45 | kergoth | let me reflash that exact image |
| 17:24.51 | kergoth | arrows are rotated |
| 17:24.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:24.59 | kergoth | they work, but they're flipped as though the screen is portrait |
| 17:25.09 | absentia2 | backspace desnt'w rok |
| 17:25.14 | absentia2 | letter "a" doesn't work |
| 17:25.19 | kergoth | it all works here |
| 17:25.23 | kergoth | something really weird is going on |
| 17:25.51 | absentia2 | omk |
| 17:25.56 | absentia2 | gonna tr yo seh in |
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| 17:26.00 | absentia2 | I can't work onthe console |
| 17:26.15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:30.44 | absentia2 | what should I di ? |
| 17:30.45 | absentia2 | do ? |
| 17:31.05 | kergoth | wait for me to sanity check this image |
| 17:32.27 | kergoth | scp'ing it now |
| 17:32.42 | absentia2 | ok |
| 17:32.47 | absentia2 | installed sstem time |
| 17:32.54 | absentia2 | gonna reboot to see if it can start time ap |
| 17:33.59 | absentia2 | why is it that sometimes the power button doesn't work |
| 17:34.05 | absentia2 | if I type "Halt" .. I can't seem to get it to come bak on |
| 17:36.29 | absentia2 | ya |
| 17:36.31 | absentia2 | installed system time |
| 17:36.34 | absentia2 | and now it comes up |
| 17:36.43 | _Psycho | system time fixed it abs ? |
| 17:37.06 | chouimat | criss de pluie |
| 17:37.07 | absentia2 | yup |
| 17:37.17 | kergoth | reconfiguring |
| 17:37.19 | kergoth | ... |
| 17:37.23 | absentia2 | left shift works |
| 17:37.24 | _Psycho | ah cool |
| 17:37.25 | absentia2 | right shift doesnot |
| 17:37.30 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:37.36 | kergoth | okay, i know why thats happening |
| 17:37.50 | kergoth | its the keycode->qtkeycode map, its using the untranformed keycodes |
| 17:37.52 | kergoth | that is |
| 17:37.58 | kergoth | the keycodes before being affected by the kernel's keymap |
| 17:38.00 | kergoth | which is incorrect |
| 17:42.00 | kergoth | still reconfiguring |
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| 17:45.41 | schurig | kergoth: by the way: why end the busybox ipkg with _ramses? |
| 17:46.03 | schurig | sometimes the arch is ramses, sometimes it's not. |
| 17:46.14 | kergoth | schurig: what? |
| 17:46.28 | kergoth | schurig: it only ends it with ramses when you built it for ramses |
| 17:47.13 | schurig | kergoth: but other ipkg's that my buildroot generated did not end in _ramses, they have (forgot it, it's in the company) _arm or _strngarm or _xscale or whatever. |
| 17:47.36 | kergoth | schurig: yes, beacuse there isnt an 'arch' for devfs |
| 17:47.46 | absentia2 | new image going up ? |
| 17:47.59 | kergoth | absentia2: with systemtime? yeah ill toss one up |
| 17:48.09 | absentia2 | is that the only change? |
| 17:48.11 | absentia2 | don't bother |
| 17:48.12 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 17:48.15 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:48.19 | absentia2 | I'll work to get the gcc going again. |
| 17:48.20 | absentia2 | etc |
| 17:48.24 | kergoth | k |
| 17:50.00 | schurig | kergoth: for example, the "vim" ipkg that my buildroot made is named vim_6.1-2-armv4l_strongarm.ipk, but many others, e.g. usbd-common end with _ramses. |
| 17:50.38 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:50.38 | schurig | kergoth: and this does not make sense to me. Neither usbd nor vim contains any Ramses specific patches, so they shouldn't end in _ramses, but one does. |
| 17:50.38 | kergoth | of coures |
| 17:50.49 | kergoth | you still dont get it. |
| 17:51.08 | kergoth | i have to ensure busybox built for devfs system doesnt get installed to a nondevfs system |
| 17:51.25 | kergoth | the easiest method, since the only device using it in oe atm, is to lock it down to machine type |
| 17:52.12 | kergoth | vim has nothing machine specific, all it depends on is an armv4l system. _strongarm indicates only that its -mtune=strongarm |
| 17:53.11 | schurig | aha. And usbd ends in ramses ... because of? |
| 17:53.20 | masticator | cool, chewbacca is coming back!!! |
| 17:53.24 | kergoth | dont recall, let me check |
| 17:53.41 | absentia2 | hbo commercial ? |
| 17:53.44 | schurig | i saw some xscale specific ifdef in it's Makefile. |
| 17:53.47 | kergoth | schurig: it shouldnt. thats a bug |
| 17:55.14 | schurig | kergoth: while we're at bugs: some files in oz/stamps survived a "make mrproper". |
| 17:55.56 | schurig | kergoth: and when I had a completely made OZ tree and reentered "make", then some stuff was done. Forgot exactly what, some that happened was inside qte |
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| 17:56.28 | kergoth | schurig: k, i'll take care of it |
| 17:56.28 | absentia2 | what is help browser? |
| 17:56.29 | absentia2 | I've never seen it do anything |
| 17:56.30 | absentia2 | ever |
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| 17:57.20 | absentia2 | I think some sort of busy indicator should be default |
| 17:57.26 | absentia2 | the smal one is virtually undetectable |
| 17:57.26 | kergoth | absentia2: yes, i agree |
| 17:57.28 | absentia2 | so large busy.. |
| 17:57.34 | kergoth | absentia2: either busy or blinking |
| 17:57.37 | absentia2 | yes |
| 17:57.42 | absentia2 | blinking is still difficult |
| 17:57.50 | absentia2 | I can't tell if it's selected blinking, or busy loading blinking |
| 17:58.08 | kergoth | selected shouldnt blink.. |
| 17:58.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:58.20 | kergoth | but point taken, i prefer big busy myself |
| 17:58.33 | absentia2 | me too |
| 17:58.38 | absentia2 | I have to set it every flash |
| 17:58.38 | absentia2 | etc |
| 17:58.43 | absentia2 | I'm using / tesxting vera now |
| 17:58.45 | kergoth | and we use that indicator for status everywhere else now |
| 17:58.47 | kergoth | for docs scanning |
| 17:58.52 | kergoth | networksettings interface restart |
| 17:58.54 | kergoth | etc |
| 17:58.59 | absentia2 | k |
| 18:01.54 | kergoth | brb |
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| 18:10.41 | absentia2 | why won't thing like console |
| 18:10.49 | absentia2 | use all the available fonts, like vera? |
| 18:11.19 | absentia2 | vera 18 is nice |
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| 18:15.54 | absentia2 | ya |
| 18:16.00 | absentia2 | afer flashing |
| 18:16.05 | absentia2 | I can add the feed, ipkg update |
| 18:16.10 | absentia2 | and then ipkg-link add |
| 18:16.14 | absentia2 | all the tihngs that I istalled to sd |
| 18:16.16 | absentia2 | that's VERY nice |
| 18:16.20 | absentia2 | saves a lot of time |
| 18:21.25 | absentia2 | hmm |
| 18:23.22 | absentia2 | getting vnc for blows |
| 18:23.26 | absentia2 | to see if keypebble works |
| 18:23.30 | absentia2 | I hope it's more than a viewer |
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| 18:23.33 | absentia2 | and allows for interactive use |
| 18:23.38 | TheMasterMind1 | it does |
| 18:25.17 | absentia2 | hmm |
| 18:25.18 | absentia2 | this isn't blows |
| 18:25.22 | absentia2 | this is freebsd |
| 18:31.51 | absentia2 | I need to get the citrix lick for debian |
| 18:31.54 | absentia2 | client |
| 18:36.00 | absentia2 | ok |
| 18:36.08 | absentia2 | god server running on freebsd |
| 18:36.11 | absentia2 | freebsd is so damn easy. |
| 18:37.30 | *** topic/#openembedded by ljp -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | See the openembedded and openzaurus bitkeeper repositories | Buildroot developers for OpenEmbedded meet in #buildroot-oe ||| kergoth's b-day Sunday April 27 !!!! |
| 18:39.47 | absentia2 | ok |
| 18:39.51 | absentia2 | vncviewer worked like a charm |
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| 18:48.21 | ljp | sawdust |
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| 20:14.20 | absentia2 | hmmm |
| 20:14.25 | absentia2 | the display is all scrwed up in freebsd vnc |
| 20:14.26 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 20:14.29 | absentia2 | :-< |
| 20:16.55 | absentia2 | vnc viewer isclose... |
| 20:16.57 | absentia2 | but not quite.. |
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| 20:25.12 | absentia2 | kergoth |
| 20:25.17 | absentia2 | multikey won't come up with your new image |
| 20:25.22 | absentia2 | is there a package for that too? |
| 20:25.26 | absentia2 | perhaps missing like time? |
| 20:31.40 | Fib | Um, I have a little problem...Network Settings no longer lists any connections. |
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| 21:10.31 | ljp | weatherbot: weather ybbn |
| 21:10.32 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Brisbane Airport M. O, Australia: It is 20 C (68 F), windspeed is 9.66 km/h, and visibility is 11.27 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 2000 UTC). |
| 21:11.24 | ljp | god, thats too hot |
| 21:11.33 | sonix` | weatherbot weather 20905 |
| 21:11.34 | sonix` | ? |
| 21:11.42 | sonix` | how do I get the weather for my area? |
| 21:11.50 | ljp | need metar station |
| 21:12.12 | ljp | do a google for metar stations |
| 21:12.30 | ljp | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 21:12.32 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Broomfield / Jeffco, CO, United States: It is 21 C (71 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 2045 UTC). |
| 21:12.38 | drw- | ljp: well it will be winter there soon |
| 21:12.50 | ljp | heh, winter in Brisbane? |
| 21:12.58 | sonix` | weatherbot weather kdca |
| 21:12.59 | ljp | they hav ewet and dry |
| 21:13.05 | drw- | well, technically maybe |
| 21:13.08 | sonix` | weatherbot: weather kdca |
| 21:13.10 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Washington DC, Reagan National Airport, VA, United States: It is 16 C (62 F), windspeed is 11.27 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.26 2051 UTC). |
| 21:13.11 | ljp | have wet and dry instead of 4 seasons |
| 21:13.12 | sonix` | w00t |
| 21:13.24 | sonix` | lol. |
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| 21:14.27 | noda | Moo! |
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| 21:26.27 | ljp | meow |
| 21:27.06 | troffasky | woof |
| 21:29.56 | sonix` | Bark! |
| 21:38.14 | _Psycho | abs you around ? |
| 21:38.21 | _Psycho | how that damn wget thing work :) |
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| 21:40.35 | _Psycho | wel leaving i cehck tonight |
| 21:42.07 | absentia2 | hi |
| 21:42.09 | absentia2 | yes |
| 21:42.13 | absentia2 | what wget? |
| 21:42.16 | absentia2 | I need to compile it. |
| 21:42.22 | carsten | ljp: I handcrafted a Makefile, now it works. Sth is borked on this PC |
| 21:45.08 | ljp | thats odd, glad you got it compiling |
| 21:45.49 | KCarsten | I am writing an article about "how to code" for opie for the US+UK LinuxMagzine |
| 21:45.57 | KCarsten | to code is easy, to make it link not :( |
| 21:46.17 | KCarsten | but, well. It works now. Only that I need to have the article finished on wed |
| 21:46.30 | ljp | ahh. hmm |
| 21:46.56 | ljp | exclusive to linuxmag? or can you publish it on internet? |
| 21:47.25 | KCarsten | exclusive for linuxmag.us.uk.de |
| 21:47.34 | KCarsten | but perhaps I can talk to them |
| 21:47.41 | KCarsten | they might provide it as a .pdf |
| 21:48.03 | ljp | ok. well, if they publish it online, let me know. I'll throw up a new item at opie.hh.org |
| 21:48.18 | ljp | news item, even |
| 21:48.32 | KCarsten | yes. The mag comes out in 2 or 3 weeks |
| 21:48.37 | ljp | or someone can, I am most likely I retiring from opie web admin |
| 21:48.39 | KCarsten | 5.15.03 IIRC |
| 21:49.31 | ljp | I'm going to need my own boat to move.... |
| 21:50.14 | KCarsten | what? |
| 21:50.25 | ljp | from Colorado to Au |
| 21:50.35 | KCarsten | Au == Australia? |
| 21:50.37 | ljp | too much stuff |
| 21:50.38 | ljp | ya |
| 21:50.43 | KCarsten | wow. Where? |
| 21:50.48 | ljp | Brisbane |
| 21:50.48 | schurig | Brisbane |
| 21:51.06 | ljp | TT is hiring me for 'qtopia community manager/liason' |
| 21:51.24 | KCarsten | hehe, cool |
| 21:51.42 | KCarsten | a friend of mine will live there for 1 |
| 21:51.42 | KCarsten | y |
| 21:51.49 | ljp | hmm, when? |
| 21:52.03 | KCarsten | if then probably in Nov or Dec |
| 21:53.04 | KCarsten | why did this compile? |
| 21:53.06 | KCarsten | · menubar->insertItem( tr( "File" ), file ); |
| 21:53.06 | KCarsten | · |
| 21:53.06 | KCarsten | · file = new QPopupMenu( this ); |
| 21:53.14 | KCarsten | oh, I see why. |
| 21:53.18 | KCarsten | Stupid "bug" |
| 21:53.34 | ljp | hehe |
| 21:53.54 | ljp | question is, will it run? |
| 21:54.01 | KCarsten | no, segfgaults |
| 21:54.05 | KCarsten | took me 20 min to find it |
| 21:55.22 | ljp | wish I had the complete body for this vercel |
| 21:55.59 | ljp | hmmm. need coffee |
| 21:56.22 | ljp | funny thing is, I cant get qtopia 1.6 to compile.. heh |
| 22:04.46 | KCarsten | ljp: mmh, we should really fix the doxygendocu |
| 22:09.44 | ljp | I havent looked at them, but I know there's probably a lot of work to do on that |
| 22:09.58 | ljp | zecke has been doing some |
| 22:13.52 | KCarsten | yes. There are still a lot KDE-strings+logo in |
| 22:14.35 | ljp | hehehe. hmmmm |
| 22:22.54 | KCarsten | ljp: quesion: do you like this idea as a "how to code for OPIE" app: |
| 22:23.44 | KCarsten | A mainwindow in which the user can choose a file (OFileDialog). Then the user see the stuff like group, lastChanged, user, size, ... |
| 22:24.18 | KCarsten | that way I can teach with ~4 pages (include ~4 screenies) how to use the menubar, the .pro-file, the O*-classes and the general slots/signals-stuff |
| 22:24.28 | KCarsten | not to easy and not to hard IMHO |
| 22:24.47 | ljp | cool. sounds good |
| 22:25.08 | ljp | I was going to write something for cuj, but never did submit something |
| 22:25.14 | KCarsten | cuj? |
| 22:25.46 | ljp | http://www.cuj.com/ |
| 22:26.03 | ljp | maybe TT would be interested in one also |
| 22:27.40 | ljp | :) |
| 22:27.52 | ljp | but if I mention it, I'll have to do it probably |
| 22:28.05 | ljp | if I ever get there |
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| 22:48.38 | KCarsten | ljp: what the heck is this: |
| 22:48.40 | KCarsten | [carsten@localhost testapp]$ make |
| 22:48.40 | KCarsten | g++ -c -pipe -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -W -O2 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/home/carsten/opie/opie/include -I/home/carsten/opie/qt2//include -I/home/carsten/opie/opie/mkspecs/qws/linux-generic-g++ -I(OPIEDIR)/libopie -o mainwindow.o mainwindow.cpp |
| 22:48.40 | KCarsten | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 22:48.40 | KCarsten | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: `g++ -c -pipe -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -W -O2 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/home/carsten/opie/opie/include -I/home/carsten/opie/qt2//include -I/home/carsten/opie/opie/mkspecs/qws/linux-generic-g++ -I(OPIEDIR)/libopie -o mainwindow.o mainwindow.cpp' |
| 22:48.43 | KCarsten | make: *** [mainwindow.o] Fehler 2 |
| 22:50.27 | tronical | KCarsten: -I(OPIEDIR) asks for trouble :) |
| 22:50.36 | KCarsten | oops |
| 22:50.38 | KCarsten | ;) |
| 22:50.40 | tronical | ;-) |
| 22:52.03 | ljp | gimp needs better fonts |
| 22:52.36 | yeiazel | linux needs better fonts |
| 22:52.58 | yeiazel | (ttf) |
| 22:54.43 | scanline | Vera is good |
| 22:55.26 | yeiazel | depends what for |
| 22:55.40 | yeiazel | for a comic, really not :) |
| 22:55.57 | scanline | well, yeah |
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| 23:07.00 | Speedy2 | Like, yo |
| 23:08.27 | ljp | ho |
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| 23:39.57 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 23:41.58 | absentia2 | tryring to get a development environment going |
| 23:42.27 | sonix` | absentia2 qpe? |
| 23:44.30 | Speedy2 | Later |
| 23:47.27 | absentia2 | qpe? |
| 23:47.31 | absentia2 | I'm on the c700 |
| 23:47.33 | absentia2 | ld is fucked |
| 23:47.35 | absentia2 | but I've gotten around that |
| 23:47.40 | absentia2 | trying to make make nw |
| 23:47.43 | absentia2 | but gnumake isn't making |
| 23:49.59 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: fixed the cursor key rotation |
| 23:50.35 | absentia2 | cool |
| 23:50.53 | absentia2 | I have a shell script that copies crt1.o crtno. and crti.o to the `pwd` when ld is called |
| 23:50.54 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 23:51.00 | absentia2 | if you echo the ld command... in a script |
| 23:51.09 | absentia2 | you see that those files are passed with no path. |
| 23:51.16 | kergoth`bbl | hah. I'm not sure if ld is the problem |
| 23:51.17 | absentia2 | messy, but at least I can compile. |
| 23:51.20 | kergoth`bbl | i think gcc is calling it with the incorrect paths |
| 23:51.25 | absentia2 | ya |
| 23:51.30 | absentia2 | there is no path |
| 23:51.32 | kergoth`bbl | not sure why, --prefix=/usr |
| 23:51.39 | absentia2 | look at info-18 |
| 23:51.40 | kergoth`bbl | so it should be defaulting ot /usr/lib |
| 23:51.40 | absentia2 | for gcc |
| 23:51.43 | kergoth`bbl | k |
| 23:51.57 | absentia2 | it seems to indicate crti.o and stuff... with no path, etc. |
| 23:52.34 | absentia2 | I tried makind /usr/bin/ld ... do /usr/bin/ld.bin /lib/crti.o ... but it STILL said it couldn't find crti.o -- because the crti.o is still in the command line |
| 23:52.45 | absentia2 | so, I could sed the command line to insert /lib/ before those, etc. major hacks, etc. |
| 23:52.55 | absentia2 | now just trying to find a debian make |
| 23:53.02 | absentia2 | searching the debian site, trying to find any source at all |
| 23:53.05 | pb_ | why are you putting crti.o in /lib, rather than /usr/lib? |
| 23:53.15 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.19 | absentia2 | less typing on a system |
| 23:53.22 | absentia2 | but, it doesn't matter, really |
| 23:53.30 | absentia2 | there was one in /usr/lib/ |
| 23:53.31 | absentia2 | I think |
| 23:53.33 | absentia2 | I wiped those out |
| 23:53.34 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 23:53.47 | pb_ | I think if you put them in the place where ld wants to find them, it will "just work". |
| 23:53.54 | absentia2 | you think ? |
| 23:54.29 | pb_ | well, probably gcc rather than ld, but yeah. |
| 23:55.03 | pb_ | it doesn't usually take kindly to having files moved around. |
| 23:55.36 | kergoth`bbl | pb_: yeah. for some reason my gcc/binutils ipks expect crt1.o, crti.o, crtn.o to be in the current directory. hehe. |
| 23:55.58 | pb_ | heh. |
| 23:56.13 | absentia2 | ok |
| 23:56.14 | absentia2 | back in /usr/lib |
| 23:56.17 | kergoth`bbl | silly bug i'm sure, probably an incorrect configure opt |
| 23:56.23 | absentia2 | trying to make wget |
| 23:56.25 | absentia2 | would almost work, I think |
| 23:56.27 | absentia2 | if I just had a make |
| 23:56.28 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 23:56.37 | kergoth`bbl | so grab the debian/ARM make |
| 23:56.39 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 23:56.50 | absentia2 | WHERE |
| 23:56.54 | absentia2 | <-- pathetic at this web thing |
| 23:56.58 | pb_ | ftp.debian.org |
| 23:57.04 | absentia2 | web url? |
| 23:57.10 | pb_ | ftp://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 23:57.20 | kergoth`bbl | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/make/? |
| 23:57.24 | kergoth`bbl | pick a mirror any mirro |
| 23:57.25 | kergoth`bbl | r |
| 23:57.28 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.30 | absentia2 | nope |
| 23:57.36 | absentia2 | couldn't find it in /usr/lib |
| 23:57.41 | absentia2 | lemme echo the command |
| 23:57.46 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: add -v to the gcc line |
| 23:57.59 | kergoth`bbl | absentia2: you'll see it calling it wrong |
| 23:58.53 | absentia2 | -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -X -m armelf_linux -p -o conftest crt1.o crti |
| 23:58.53 | absentia2 | .o /usr/local/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/crtbegin.o -L/usr/local/bin/../ |
| 23:58.53 | absentia2 | lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3 -L/usr/local/bin/../lib/gcc-lib -L/usr/local/bin/../ |
| 23:58.53 | absentia2 | lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/../../.. /tmp/ccwQcHop.o -lgcc -lgcc_eh -lc -lgcc -l |
| 23:58.53 | absentia2 | gcc_eh /usr/local/bin/../lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.2.3/crtend.o crtn.o |
| 23:58.57 | absentia2 | that's the ld line |
| 23:59.10 | kergoth`bbl | yep |
| 23:59.14 | kergoth`bbl | note. crt1.o |
| 23:59.18 | kergoth`bbl | no path |
| 23:59.20 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 23:59.21 | absentia2 | like I said, I could sed that in my ld script, or copy the files, etc. |
| 23:59.25 | absentia2 | yup |
| 23:59.52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: any ideas whats up with the TS situation? |
| 23:59.53 | absentia2 | for now, I just cp the files... to . |
| 23:59.57 | pb_ | oh, looks like it's a /usr/local/bin build. |
