| 00:00.01 | pnis | time to go - goodnight all |
| 00:04.29 | treke | kergoth: Cannot open /tmp/.qtvfb_mouse-0 (Permission denied) |
| 00:04.29 | treke | Cannot open /tmp/.qtvfb_keyboard-0 (Permission denied) |
| 00:04.33 | treke | I bet that's it |
| 00:04.42 | ljp | hmm flicker is no good |
| 00:04.42 | kergoth | qtvfb? |
| 00:04.49 | kergoth | you're trying to run it as a user in qvfb? |
| 00:04.59 | treke | yup |
| 00:05.01 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:05.21 | kergoth | finally, a 12mb image for the c700 again |
| 00:05.24 | kergoth | all automatically stripped this time |
| 00:05.26 | treke | trying to debug the issue. I suspect that is the problem |
| 00:05.38 | kergoth | sounds lik eit |
| 00:07.00 | ivan | are the reboot crashes in OZ fixed yet? |
| 00:07.14 | kergoth | reboot crashes? |
| 00:07.23 | ivan | where it crashes about 10% with a reboot from opie |
| 00:07.28 | ivan | about 10% of the time |
| 00:07.30 | kergoth | there arent any reboot crashes, except the one where it hangs if you reboot twice in a row without suspending first |
| 00:07.33 | kergoth | and thats NOT AN OZ BUG |
| 00:07.36 | kergoth | it occurs in sharp as well |
| 00:07.42 | kergoth | its a bug in lineo's kernel |
| 00:07.56 | ivan | oh ok |
| 00:08.11 | kergoth | suspend at least once before rebooting |
| 00:08.14 | kergoth | then you wont see it |
| 00:08.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:08.27 | kergoth`bbl | goin home |
| 00:08.40 | ivan | you write OZ while at work? |
| 00:08.49 | kergoth`bbl | ivan: i do tech support |
| 00:08.55 | kergoth`bbl | ivan: so between calls.. there isnt mcuh to do |
| 00:09.10 | ivan | i see |
| 00:09.14 | kergoth`bbl | k im out |
| 00:09.48 | treke | shit |
| 00:09.50 | treke | think i found it |
| 00:10.13 | treke | might have been getty getting in the way |
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| 00:37.43 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 01:13.35 | djr | is ipkg still broken for upgrading? |
| 01:18.26 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 01:18.33 | kergoth | i hate it when i forget to include libgcc in a gcc3 image |
| 01:18.47 | treke|home | maybe strace will help |
| 01:18.51 | _Psycho | i need to do gcc3 test this weekend :) |
| 01:19.04 | kergoth | _Psycho: just flash the current experimental |
| 01:19.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:19.35 | _Psycho | nooooo ! |
| 01:19.44 | _Psycho | yeah probably but anyway all my feed is in gcc2 so |
| 01:19.49 | _Psycho | and for futur image / test ;) |
| 01:19.51 | treke|home | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 01:20.01 | treke|home | why is it working now |
| 01:20.45 | ljp | cause maybe you thought 'great googli-moogli' |
| 01:21.04 | treke|home | I'm going rip your googli-moogli's off |
| 01:21.12 | ljp | ouch |
| 01:21.26 | chouimat | ljp: treke|home: please no violence |
| 01:21.33 | ljp | I'll have a guard kangaroo |
| 01:21.36 | treke|home | do I look like a frenchman? |
| 01:21.55 | _Psycho | why is treke so mad ? ah yes its because its working ! |
| 01:21.56 | _Psycho | =p |
| 01:22.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:22.12 | treke|home | _Psycho: If I knew why it was workign I'd be happy |
| 01:22.23 | treke|home | when it just magically works once and never again, it does me no good |
| 01:22.28 | _Psycho | man thats like women, dont try to understand them ! |
| 01:22.45 | _Psycho | i mean bugs are like women ;) |
| 01:22.50 | _Psycho | or computers |
| 01:22.53 | _Psycho | depend how you see that ! |
| 01:23.11 | chouimat | _Psycho: he( treke) need to have casual sex :) |
| 01:23.33 | treke|home | you mean I should take my tie off? |
| 01:24.02 | chouimat | treke|home: nah! just get a nice pink and wet pussy |
| 01:24.13 | kergoth | ~lart chouimat for missing the sarcasm |
| 01:24.39 | chouimat | kergoth: 8 beers and no food you will miss anything :) |
| 01:24.52 | ljp | treke: no, he means taking off your cowboy hat |
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| 01:25.14 | Speedy2 | Yo. |
| 01:25.17 | ljp | ho |
| 01:25.23 | Speedy2 | Ho and a bottle of rum. |
| 01:25.30 | absentia2 | h0h0h0 |
| 01:26.10 | djr | heh |
| 01:26.13 | ljp | still? |
| 01:26.29 | djr | is there anything newer than 3.2 out? like any experimental stuff? |
| 01:26.35 | treke|home | djr: no |
| 01:26.44 | absentia2 | what does it mean... neewer? |
| 01:26.52 | absentia2 | djrL what device? |
| 01:27.02 | djr | 5500 |
| 01:27.30 | absentia2 | ah |
| 01:27.35 | absentia2 | youhave a lot for that device |
| 01:27.37 | absentia2 | tell me |
| 01:27.40 | absentia2 | what is the best thing aboutthe device |
| 01:27.43 | chouimat | ljp: nah! nothing to do tonight so I meet lady ale |
| 01:27.44 | absentia2 | what is the worst thing about the device? |
| 01:27.50 | djr | eh |
| 01:27.51 | djr | i dunno |
| 01:27.55 | djr | i love the Z |
| 01:28.18 | ljp | well, if you love it so much, why not marry it? |
| 01:28.24 | kergoth | ibot: love the Z |
| 01:28.32 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth. |
| 01:28.36 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 01:28.40 | absentia2 | seriously |
| 01:28.51 | ljp | dallas |
| 01:28.52 | absentia2 | something objective |
| 01:28.55 | absentia2 | not subjective |
| 01:28.57 | Speedy2 | ljp: What about Dallas? |
| 01:28.58 | absentia2 | I love my c700 |
| 01:29.03 | ljp | keyboard |
| 01:29.04 | absentia2 | but it still doesn't do much of what I want.... what I need |
| 01:29.15 | ljp | I may be in dallas monday |
| 01:29.19 | Speedy2 | Oh? |
| 01:29.21 | chouimat | i love that 18 years old chicks ... |
| 01:29.26 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 01:29.26 | kergoth | ibot! come back! |
| 01:29.28 | chouimat | but I won't marry her |
| 01:29.29 | ljp | maybe interview with TI |
| 01:29.52 | kergoth | oh speedy's in dallas? i didnt know that |
| 01:29.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:32.22 | treke|home | maybe if you werent a hippy |
| 01:32.26 | ljp | frickin flicker |
| 01:32.34 | _Psycho | welcome to the club ljp ;) |
| 01:33.00 | ljp | actually, I was dating a 19 year old a few years back |
| 01:33.20 | treke|home | <ljp> about 10 years back now that I think of it |
| 01:33.25 | ljp | hehe |
| 01:33.49 | ljp | time flies |
| 01:34.02 | _Psycho | indeed |
| 01:34.27 | Speedy2 | ljp: You were dating a 19 year old? Wow. |
| 01:34.35 | ljp | hehe |
| 01:34.50 | ljp | ya, that was about 8 years ago.. damn |
| 01:34.53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:35.02 | djr | heh |
| 01:35.21 | ljp | hmm that make her 27 now..... |
| 01:35.32 | Speedy2 | h00k m3 up~ |
| 01:35.33 | Speedy2 | ! |
| 01:35.41 | Speedy2 | I gotta run in a few minutes. |
| 01:35.52 | Speedy2 | Check your /msg dudes. |
| 01:36.28 | ljp | whats the command to stop flicker in opie apps? |
| 01:36.37 | treke|home | halt |
| 01:36.41 | ljp | haha |
| 01:36.45 | ljp | opie stop |
| 01:37.17 | ljp | no, I just have to figure out a better way of doing this paintEvent |
| 01:37.44 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Let me know via mail if you'll be in town. |
| 01:39.09 | Speedy2 | Bye all |
| 01:42.16 | treke|home | if this fixes it, I will be pissed |
| 01:42.20 | treke|home | well no I wont |
| 01:42.31 | treke|home | but i woudl be if I wasnt so overjoyed at it working |
| 01:43.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:45.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:45.17 | ljp | heh fucked that up |
| 01:45.19 | kergoth | good luck |
| 01:45.46 | ljp | just tell them yuor king of a small european country |
| 01:46.31 | treke|home | wtflike canada |
| 01:47.28 | chouimat | ljp: I meet the new boyfriend of my ex-wife tonight ... man Ii waas laughing |
| 01:47.47 | kergoth | chouimat: that bad? |
| 01:48.17 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:48.21 | chouimat | kergoth: I knew him allready ... and I knew he liked my ex |
| 01:48.34 | ljp | bitch! |
| 01:48.56 | chouimat | kergoth: by the way I have all the 7 album of Opeth |
| 01:49.07 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:49.14 | chouimat | modern metal with a nice 70th touch |
| 01:49.19 | treke|home | chouimat: before you laugh too hard, remember he's probably screwing her on furniture you paid for |
| 01:49.35 | ljp | hahahahaaaaa |
| 01:49.55 | ljp | thats evil |
| 01:50.04 | treke|home | I try |
| 01:50.12 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:50.19 | chouimat | treke|home: can't be worst ... I caught her doing a 69 with another man 3 days after I left her on my couch |
| 01:50.43 | ljp | hey, I dont need that flicker-maker thing after all.. cool |
| 01:50.43 | kergoth | chouimat: i hope you mean your ex, not your mom |
| 01:50.52 | chouimat | I paid 40$ to get the couch cleaned |
| 01:50.55 | ljp | bitch! |
| 01:51.40 | chouimat | kergoth: when my mother told me that she meet someone after 9 years ... I told her it was time |
| 01:51.57 | ljp | bitch! |
| 01:52.22 | _Psycho | I have a great mixes of kergoth philosophy and mine |
| 01:52.22 | chouimat | ljp: you have problem wiith women? |
| 01:52.25 | _Psycho | ibot: girl |
| 01:53.02 | _Psycho | whats up with ibot ? :) |
| 01:53.16 | treke|home | kergoth: ok. this is a really hackish fix |
| 01:53.19 | treke|home | but I think it worked |
| 01:53.23 | chouimat | _Psycho: maybe ibot is eating a pussy right now |
| 01:54.48 | ljp | no, just thought I'd chime in with bitch! |
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| 01:58.24 | kergoth | ibot: wb! |
| 01:58.33 | treke|home | ibot, gthad |
| 01:59.11 | ljp | ibot die |
| 01:59.31 | ljp | ibot flood yourself |
| 01:59.35 | ivan | yeah just msg it with help 3 times |
| 01:59.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:59.45 | kergoth | or not |
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| 02:01.43 | absentia2 | channel 42, the finnish channel |
| 02:01.46 | kergoth | ibot: wb! |
| 02:01.47 | | thx |
| 02:01.48 | kergoth | again |
| 02:01.48 | absentia2 | -99 the secret vampire channel. |
| 02:02.00 | _Psycho | ibot: girl ! |
| 02:02.01 | | "if you dont believe in the existance of evil, you have a lot to learn" |
| 02:02.01 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 02:02.06 | ivan | ----99 :That channel doesn't exist |
| 02:02.11 | treke|home | irc was first written around 88-89 |
| 02:02.16 | kergoth | aha |
| 02:02.19 | ivan | ibot: girl |
| 02:02.19 | | "if you dont believe in the existance of evil, you have a lot to learn" |
| 02:02.26 | kergoth | thats a line from one of wumpscut's songs |
| 02:02.29 | absentia2 | I was on irc october 1988 |
| 02:02.33 | _Psycho | dont know kergoth said that once in channel |
| 02:02.35 | absentia2 | I ran the 8th irc server.. evr. |
| 02:02.38 | _Psycho | i thought it was fitting well |
| 02:03.05 | absentia2 | talk on #zaurus |
| 02:03.26 | _Psycho | not possible abs |
| 02:03.34 | absentia2 | http://bse.die.ms/lamertime.txt |
| 02:03.38 | kergoth | wtf did gruemmelmonster do |
| 02:03.40 | absentia2 | not possible? |
| 02:03.43 | kergoth | i'm doing a cvs up in a ANONCVS checkout |
| 02:03.45 | absentia2 | what's not pissible? |
| 02:03.47 | kergoth | and it prompts me for HIS ssh pass |
| 02:03.48 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 02:04.14 | absentia2 | lookup my irc logs ... search for yelich, gulf war... missile.. etc :-) |
| 02:04.17 | absentia2 | logs from the '91 iraq war. |
| 02:05.29 | kergoth | ah, thast why |
| 02:05.41 | absentia2 | all I know is my grandchildren are gonna be reading my rants... from the early days of the net... |
| 02:05.42 | absentia2 | :-/ |
| 02:06.48 | _Psycho | damn your right was 40 users in 90 |
| 02:06.55 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 02:07.02 | _Psycho | probably was undernet history i mixed up |
| 02:07.13 | absentia2 | remember when you could download the list of new web severs from ncsa? |
| 02:07.18 | ljp | this is funny http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&ncid=583&e=1&u=/nm/20030424/od_nm/rampage_dc |
| 02:07.18 | _Psycho | Jan 91 - The Gulf war.. usage goes from peak 100 to peak 300 |
| 02:07.21 | absentia2 | I use to visit all new web servers, each week |
| 02:07.21 | absentia2 | hahah |
| 02:07.44 | absentia2 | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://spy.org |
| 02:08.57 | ljp | the missing boys were discovered late in the evening walking |
| 02:08.57 | ljp | through their home town of Deols, western France, stark naked |
| 02:08.57 | ljp | and holding a bedside lamp. |
| 02:08.59 | _Psycho | Sep 02 - EFnet hits 100,000 clients |
| 02:09.12 | _Psycho | too bad we are more playing everquest |
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| 02:13.59 | absentia2 | I've not played evercrack yet |
| 02:14.02 | ljp | boring tonight |
| 02:14.06 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:14.13 | absentia2 | I should see if I can flash and get up the computer |
| 02:14.15 | absentia2 | with my eyes closed. |
| 02:14.35 | absentia2 | sort of like doing the rubiks cube, or something |
| 02:14.47 | absentia2 | here, get this zaurus to an os... from THIS configuration |
| 02:14.47 | absentia2 | go. |
| 02:22.54 | ljp | shhh |
| 02:23.02 | chouimat | ljp: ? |
| 02:23.30 | ljp | shhh! |
| 02:23.51 | ljp | cripes, cant you see I'm coding?!? |
| 02:24.31 | ljp | my cat is so sexy |
| 02:25.20 | chouimat | ljp: get a woman because a claw in the ass is no good |
| 02:25.28 | FredHome | :) |
| 02:26.27 | ljp | no, she walks sexy |
| 02:26.42 | FredHome | heh |
| 02:28.21 | kergoth | ljp: you code in silence? |
| 02:28.27 | kergoth | i cant code in silence |
| 02:28.29 | chouimat | fuck ! I don;t remember the exact word |
| 02:28.34 | kergoth | need music |
| 02:30.13 | chouimat | hmmmm what is the word to talk about a woman who walk by oscillating is nice butt? |
| 02:30.24 | ljp | no. I am listening to jackson browne currently |
| 02:30.44 | ljp | chouimat: twitch-butt |
| 02:31.11 | ljp | pinch-ass |
| 02:31.43 | chouimat | ljp: maybe the first one ... your cat twitch |
| 02:32.55 | ljp | my cat has twitch-butt |
| 02:33.10 | chouimat | calice de grippe de merde |
| 02:33.16 | kergoth | come on c700, boot! |
| 02:34.26 | absentia2 | kergoth |
| 02:34.31 | absentia2 | have you tried any of the ipkgs in the current feed |
| 02:34.39 | absentia2 | they all seem to exit with /sbin/ldconfig not found |
| 02:34.40 | kergoth | they arent stripped |
| 02:34.48 | kergoth | they'll fill up your flash really fucking fast |
| 02:34.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:35.57 | absentia2 | www.openzaurus.org fubared? |
| 02:36.14 | kergoth | yeah, hit openzaurus.sf.net directly |
| 02:36.16 | kergoth | sf being a pain again |
| 02:36.20 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 02:36.21 | absentia2 | k |
| 02:36.33 | absentia2 | thx, got it |
| 02:37.25 | absentia2 | hmmm |
| 02:37.27 | absentia2 | gonna flash again. |
| 02:37.52 | xxx | kergoth, saw your 4/23 feeds. is there going to be a newer initrd.bin soon as well |
| 02:38.12 | kergoth | xxx: c700? |
| 02:38.17 | kergoth | or 5500? |
| 02:38.24 | xxx | sorry, yes c700 |
| 02:38.35 | kergoth | yeah, working on it now |
| 02:38.40 | absentia2 | I saw the zgcc on there, still haven't managed to get it to load.. but I'm happy about that |
| 02:38.53 | xxx | ok, I'll check back later |
| 02:39.12 | absentia2 | I think a working c compiler should always be there... it allows people to work on their own, etc.. (for those poor souls like me who don't have the opportunity to doa build root) |
| 02:39.20 | treke|home | fuck. build dammit |
| 02:39.20 | absentia2 | what will be in the new image ? |
| 02:39.21 | treke|home | build |
| 02:40.01 | kergoth | absentia2: its not 'zgcc', its a gcc-3.2 ipk. whats the problem with it? |
| 02:40.09 | kergoth | treke|home: you having problems too eh? |
| 02:40.17 | absentia2 | ker:L I'm reflashing |
| 02:40.20 | absentia2 | I'll do that #1... |
| 02:40.20 | treke|home | kergoth: yeah. opie just will not fucking link :) |
| 02:40.23 | kergoth | absentia2: not much different. Vera by default |
| 02:40.27 | kergoth | absentia2: few other minor bits |
| 02:40.33 | kergoth | absentia2: different task-opie |
| 02:40.33 | treke|home | I'm about to say fuck it and use buildroot |
| 02:40.48 | absentia2 | vi /etc/ipkg.conf, add /mnt/card/feed; ipkg update; ipkg -d sd install gcc-3.2 |
| 02:41.06 | absentia2 | (I don't have to ipkg-link add gcc-3.2, right) |
| 02:41.17 | absentia2 | ah. |
| 02:41.24 | absentia2 | I wish I knew what all these packages are |
| 02:41.26 | absentia2 | it's like a mine game |
| 02:41.28 | absentia2 | I install a few ok |
| 02:41.32 | absentia2 | and then I pick a bad one, and kil the image |
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| 02:43.32 | chouimat|bathtub | ljp: your cat ate your connection? |
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| 02:44.39 | ljp_ | must have |
| 02:45.14 | kergoth | absentia2: yes you do. if you ipkg install -d at a cmdline, you need to use ipkg-link |
| 02:45.17 | ljp_ | I can only tell I am not connected when 1. irc gets really quiet, 2. my email stops showing up |
| 02:45.18 | kergoth | absentia2: aqpkg does the linking on its own |
| 02:45.46 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:45.52 | absentia2 | aqpkg is too farking slow |
| 02:46.02 | absentia2 | and doesn't update properly |
| 02:46.07 | kergoth | i'm a commandline junkie myself |
| 02:46.07 | absentia2 | so I can't tell what's intalled and what's not |
| 02:46.10 | absentia2 | me too |
| 02:46.14 | kergoth | my Z didnt have opie installed for months |
| 02:46.22 | kergoth | my todo list = vi ~/TODO |
| 02:46.23 | absentia2 | well, when I get to developong |
| 02:46.23 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:46.32 | absentia2 | I'll probably not have opie running |
| 02:46.37 | absentia2 | and then run some x server whenever I do |
| 02:46.41 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:46.50 | absentia2 | I have had a TEXT todo file since 1990 |
| 02:46.53 | absentia2 | still have copies of it running |
| 02:46.55 | absentia2 | :> |
| 02:47.07 | absentia2 | it's sad when your oldest time stamps are a decade old.. on personal files. |
| 02:47.15 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:47.21 | absentia2 | so, I do have to link in gcc? |
| 02:47.24 | kergoth | we need a littel cmdline beeper |
| 02:47.27 | absentia2 | I thought that was just for opie stuff ? |
| 02:47.30 | kergoth | to run from cron for alarm |
| 02:47.32 | kergoth | eheh |
| 02:47.35 | kergoth | absentia2: no, thats for any ipk. |
| 02:47.39 | absentia2 | ah! ok |
| 02:47.41 | absentia2 | let me do it |
| 02:47.43 | kergoth | k |
| 02:47.43 | absentia2 | like I said. |
| 02:47.47 | absentia2 | and tell you the outout |
| 02:47.51 | kergoth | I never tested that ipk, so.. :) |
| 02:47.57 | absentia2 | I just flashed your latest initrd and have your apr 23 feed |
| 02:48.04 | absentia2 | just did the calibration and going right to gcc |
| 02:48.09 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:49.45 | _Psycho | usb working on your image ker ? |
| 02:49.52 | _Psycho | mine was not but i think it was the kernel |
| 02:50.06 | absentia2 | heheh, what takes me upwards of 5 minutes withthe pointer takes < 4 seconds with a real keyboard. |
| 02:50.08 | kergoth | its not the kernel |
| 02:50.14 | _Psycho | ok |
| 02:50.14 | kergoth | it doesnt work because of a bug |
| 02:50.18 | kergoth | echo pxa_bi >> /etc/modules |
| 02:50.19 | kergoth | then it'll work |
| 02:50.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:50.25 | _Psycho | i see =p |
| 02:50.42 | absentia2 | is force depends a good option to use? |
| 02:50.44 | absentia2 | always ? |
| 02:50.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:50.57 | kergoth | well, its not good policy to use such a thing |
| 02:50.59 | kergoth | but this is ipkg |
| 02:51.03 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:51.03 | kergoth | so you do what you gotta do |
| 02:51.13 | absentia2 | just noticed that there are libgcc1 |
| 02:51.26 | absentia2 | if I do gcc without force-depends, will it do libgcc? or do I have to add that option ? |
| 02:51.27 | kergoth | if you dont have libgcc1 on a gcc3 image, you're in trouble |
| 02:51.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:51.32 | kergoth | you should already have it. |
| 02:51.34 | kergoth | its in the images |
| 02:51.36 | absentia2 | ah |
| 02:51.36 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:51.40 | absentia2 | let me just do the gcc |
| 02:52.10 | absentia2 | no, only /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 02:52.28 | kergoth | .. |
| 02:52.31 | kergoth | uh, thats what libgcc is |
| 02:52.35 | kergoth | ipkg files libgcc1 |
| 02:53.54 | absentia2 | # ipkg -d sd install gcc-3.2 |
| 02:54.04 | absentia2 | ipkg: Cannot link from ./usr/bin/g++ to './usr/bin/c++': No such file or directory |
| 02:54.04 | absentia2 | ipkg: Cannot link from ./usr/bin/arm-linux-c++ to './usr/bin/c++': No such file or directory |
| 02:54.04 | absentia2 | postinst script returned status 127 |
| 02:54.04 | absentia2 | ERROR: xlibs.postinst returned 127 |
| 02:54.09 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.16 | absentia2 | that was the line before pstinst.. |
| 02:54.19 | absentia2 | but irc ate it due to the / |
| 02:54.27 | absentia2 | I get that /sbin/ldconfig in evrey ipkg |
| 02:54.30 | absentia2 | install |
| 02:54.39 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:54.48 | kergoth | you're installing X? |
| 02:54.59 | kergoth | the cannot link are hard link problems.. not sure whats up there |
| 02:55.00 | absentia2 | # ipkg install less |
| 02:55.00 | absentia2 | Downloading file:/mnt/card/cf/feed/less_378-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk |
| 02:55.00 | absentia2 | Copying /mnt/card/cf/feed/less_378-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk to /tmp/ipkg-ZPRymQ/less_378-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk...Done |
| 02:55.00 | absentia2 | postinst script returned status 127 |
| 02:55.00 | absentia2 | ERROR: xlibs.postinst returned 127 |
| 02:55.07 | absentia2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.11 | absentia2 | before the postinst |
| 02:56.12 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:56.15 | absentia2 | k |
| 02:57.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:57.37 | absentia2 | ln -s /mnt/card/usr /usr/local |
| 02:57.38 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 02:57.38 | absentia2 | night |
| 02:58.00 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:58.05 | absentia2 | gotta find a small c program to compile |
| 02:59.22 | absentia2 | ah, I seriously need to get mess (xmess?) compiled:-) |
| 02:59.51 | kergoth | try maxmess and maxmame. sdl. |
| 02:59.52 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:59.59 | kergoth | k |
| 03:00.33 | absentia2 | ya |
| 03:00.36 | absentia2 | I saw the links to those. |
| 03:00.47 | absentia2 | considering that all my old computers just got stolen |
| 03:00.54 | absentia2 | I had an original trs80 model 1 pocket computer |
| 03:01.06 | absentia2 | 4k ram :-> |
| 03:01.19 | absentia2 | at least my sinclair zx81 is safe at another location |
| 03:03.11 | absentia2 | I just love the fact that I can scp to and from the c700 |
| 03:03.13 | absentia2 | it's like a dream |
| 03:04.15 | treke|home | hrm. why is the .config not getting copied in |
| 03:05.15 | absentia2 | hmm |
| 03:05.21 | absentia2 | simple c program didn't get compiled. |
| 03:07.01 | kenb | hm |
| 03:07.09 | kenb | I wonder if OE would work on the Tivo. |
| 03:07.53 | absentia2 | OE ? |
| 03:08.19 | treke|home | ok. this should not be happening |
| 03:08.23 | absentia2 | where do i get the normal include files? /usr/local/include? |
| 03:08.35 | absentia2 | stdio.h |
| 03:08.36 | absentia2 | etc? |
| 03:08.49 | treke|home | at no point do I call make, yet it still does |
| 03:09.24 | absentia2 | I need to get tcsh on here before I go insane :-> |
| 03:09.26 | absentia2 | er, more insane? |
| 03:10.41 | absentia2 | gcc s.c |
| 03:10.41 | absentia2 | gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as': No such file or directory |
| 03:10.45 | treke|home | ok. now this is just wrong |
| 03:11.11 | absentia2 | heheh, that will put a halt to my compiling! |
| 03:11.30 | treke|home | I just deleted the contents of packages/opie/Makefile |
| 03:11.33 | djr | do you still have to do that ipkg trick to upgrade pkgs? |
| 03:11.35 | treke|home | and its still building |
| 03:12.09 | absentia2 | which ipkg trick ? |
| 03:12.14 | kergoth | absentia2: aha |
| 03:12.17 | kergoth | absentia2: you need a binutils ipk! |
| 03:12.20 | kergoth | absentia2: :) |
| 03:12.23 | kergoth | i'll get on it |
| 03:12.23 | treke|home | there is no logical reason for this to try building |
| 03:12.39 | djr | absentia2: the mkdir /etc/ipkg and echo stuff |
| 03:12.52 | absentia2 | djr: never heard of that |
| 03:12.58 | absentia2 | no binutils.. usbutils, modutils. |
| 03:13.03 | djr | mkdir /etc/ipkg |
| 03:13.03 | djr | echo 'arch armv4l-strongarm 50' >> /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 03:13.03 | djr | echo 'arch collie 100' >> /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 03:13.04 | djr | that one |
| 03:13.12 | absentia2 | hmm, not sure. |
| 03:13.19 | absentia2 | I aven'thad to do that on my c700.... |
| 03:13.25 | djr | mines a 5500 |
| 03:13.29 | absentia2 | using the unofficial feeds. |
| 03:13.30 | absentia2 | ah. |
| 03:13.34 | kergoth | thats only needed for the old stable ipkg version |
| 03:13.42 | kergoth | newer ones include a proper arch.conf |
| 03:13.55 | djr | kergoth: yeah, but the new ipkg still doesnt work with the unstable feed and upgrading |
| 03:14.01 | absentia2 | kergoth: want to try to hash out what is needed to get gcc working? |
| 03:14.05 | kergoth | new ipkg works with unstable just fine |
| 03:14.08 | kergoth | just doesnt upgrade |
| 03:14.08 | absentia2 | doesn't seem to make much sense having gcc3 but not able to use it |
| 03:14.12 | kergoth | absentia2: like i said, we need a binutils ipk |
| 03:14.15 | djr | then how do i upgrade? |
| 03:14.15 | djr | hehe |
| 03:14.16 | kergoth | absentia2: like i said, i'm on it |
| 03:14.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:14.21 | absentia2 | dude |
| 03:14.22 | absentia2 | you're too fast. |
| 03:14.25 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 03:14.40 | absentia2 | damn |
| 03:14.42 | absentia2 | I'm only on 5 |
| 03:14.44 | absentia2 | hahahah |
| 03:14.48 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 03:14.53 | treke|home | I think kergoth will need to die |
| 03:14.55 | kergoth | hehe. one of those days |
| 03:15.02 | kergoth | treke|home: hah, i fixed that |
| 03:15.13 | absentia2 | how much space do I ned to buildroot? |
| 03:15.14 | treke|home | you fixed that? |
| 03:15.18 | kergoth | treke|home: add > $(OPIEDIR)/.config just before the $(MAKE) -C $(OPIEDIR) in teh qte ipk targets |
| 03:15.18 | absentia2 | my vpc has a 2GB limit... per hd |
| 03:15.20 | treke|home | kergoth: what was wrong? |
| 03:15.21 | kergoth | treke|home: yep |
| 03:15.22 | absentia2 | but I can have like 6 hds |
| 03:15.25 | treke|home | oh son of a |
| 03:15.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:15.36 | kergoth | shit man i didnt know you were running into that one |
| 03:15.38 | treke|home | no wonder it was still building *after* deleting the make file |
| 03:15.40 | djr | kergoth: so what do i do if i want to upgrade pkgs in unstable feed if ipkg wont upgrade? |
| 03:15.53 | treke|home | thought my computer was possessed |
| 03:15.56 | kergoth | treke|home: yep, it was building qt. but it needs subst and filesubst, which are generated by the opie toplevel makefile |
| 03:15.59 | kergoth | djr: you dont. |
| 03:16.03 | kergoth | djr: obviously. |
| 03:16.16 | djr | then why update the feed? hehe |
| 03:16.17 | kergoth | silly users |
| 03:16.21 | kergoth | djr: uh |
| 03:16.24 | treke|home | ok. well thats it for hacking time tonight. Off to LA |
| 03:16.27 | kergoth | djr: if ipkg being broken was a reason to stop feed builds |
| 03:16.31 | kergoth | djr: we never would have started them |
| 03:16.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:16.51 | treke|home | ipkg being broken is the rule. not the exception |
| 03:17.01 | kergoth | well said. |
| 03:17.46 | djr | who works on ipkg? |
| 03:17.50 | treke|home | kergoth: btw, you ever tried spamprobe? it rocks |
| 03:18.26 | absentia2 | treke: what's the total size needed |
| 03:18.30 | absentia2 | space required.. for the buildroot ? |
| 03:18.51 | treke|home | depends. my builds are about 2.5 gig, but that doesnt have any of the X stuff |
| 03:18.57 | absentia2 | ok |
| 03:19.02 | absentia2 | so 2x 2GB should do it |
| 03:19.06 | kergoth | I did a feed build the other day, i can do a du |
| 03:19.16 | treke|home | kergoth: does X build now? |
| 03:19.19 | kergoth | ~/oz/corgi$ du -s |
| 03:19.20 | kergoth | 3036395 . |
| 03:19.21 | treke|home | maybe I'll start compiling it |
| 03:19.22 | absentia2 | thanks |
| 03:19.24 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah |
| 03:19.32 | kergoth | treke|home: i think mallum fixed the borked matchbox compile as well |
| 03:19.35 | treke|home | there any working X apps? :) |
| 03:19.43 | kergoth | yeah, the ones in buildroot |
| 03:19.46 | absentia2 | I tried to install the x server |
| 03:19.47 | absentia2 | had to reflash |
| 03:19.48 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 03:19.48 | kergoth | the familiar ones *should* work as well |
| 03:20.30 | chouimat|Zzzz | wow! Robocop 3 on tv |
| 03:21.07 | treke|home | to bad it sucked |
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| 03:21.33 | kergoth | flash #8 |
| 03:21.35 | kergoth | whee |
| 03:21.47 | absentia2 | heheheh |
| 03:21.48 | absentia2 | ok, you win |
| 03:21.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | treke|home: the 3 movie sucked ... maybe the first one was good |
| 03:22.04 | treke|home | the first was good |
| 03:22.06 | kergoth | absentia2: you dont wnat to know how many times i flashed my 5500 when i was first starting OZ |
| 03:22.10 | kergoth | absentia2: :) |
| 03:22.13 | absentia2 | y |
| 03:22.30 | absentia2 | like I said, I'm hoping to put my stuff in sd |
| 03:22.34 | absentia2 | and then flash the os |
| 03:22.36 | kergoth | I suspect i've flashed my 5500 thousands of times at this point |
| 03:22.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:22.42 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:22.44 | absentia2 | and then just make install on a bunch of things I need, or just keep the old binaries |
| 03:22.46 | absentia2 | depending on the program |
| 03:22.52 | treke|home | kergoth: buhbye flash :) |
| 03:22.58 | absentia2 | it's almost like |
| 03:23.01 | absentia2 | if I want to use hancom |
| 03:23.05 | kergoth | treke|home: good thing its the loaner unit from sharp*cough* |
| 03:23.06 | absentia2 | I'll just flash sharp rom |
| 03:23.07 | absentia2 | muahaha |
| 03:23.15 | absentia2 | hey, kergoth... this cache bug thing |
| 03:23.17 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: :) |
| 03:23.23 | absentia2 | is it possible.. is it worth it.. to turn off the cache checking stuff |
| 03:23.30 | absentia2 | should that be a module to load or smoething? |
| 03:23.32 | kergoth | possible yes, worth it, dont know |
| 03:23.38 | kergoth | no, its a monolithic thing |
| 03:23.48 | kergoth | you're disabling a workaround for something known to be broken in the cpu |
| 03:23.50 | kergoth | danger. |
| 03:23.51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:24.17 | absentia2 | ya |
| 03:24.23 | absentia2 | but is it really unstable, or just somewhat unstable? |
| 03:24.23 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 03:24.30 | kergoth | good question |
| 03:25.06 | treke|home | broken cache wouldnt be consistant enough to be really unstable :) |
| 03:25.15 | chouimat|Zzzz | FUCK! I forgot to buy toilette paper .... ok I have some coffeee filters |
| 03:25.38 | kergoth | dood, we dont need to know about your toiletry issues |
| 03:25.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:25.52 | treke|home | chouimat|Zzzz: use a sleeve |
| 03:27.20 | kergoth | I need to rewrite ipkg-make-*-packages to be a single spiffy ipk generator with inheretence thats usable for the general case |
| 03:27.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:27.37 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: that a joke here ... man is not complicated ... no kleenex he use toilet paper .... no toilet paper he use scott towel no scott towel ... honey do we still have coffee filter? |
| 03:29.00 | absentia2 | scott towell ? |
| 03:29.08 | chouimat|Zzzz | absentia: essui tout |
| 03:29.26 | absentia2 | je ne parles pas francais... |
| 03:29.28 | absentia2 | or something to that order. |
| 03:30.29 | absentia2 | kergoth: no rushing.. just asking.. any chance of getting the binutils tonight? or should I just wait until tomorrow ? |
| 03:31.32 | absentia2 | I dont understand.... what are all the busybox things too? |
| 03:31.35 | absentia2 | symlinks? |
| 03:32.42 | kergoth | yep, symlinks |
| 03:32.47 | sonix` | howdy. |
| 03:32.54 | absentia2 | ok |
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| 03:32.57 | absentia2 | so I can just do them myself |
| 03:33.03 | absentia2 | I'll make a script to just do them all... :-> |
| 03:33.13 | absentia2 | seems rediculous to have a package for each |
| 03:34.22 | kergoth | absentia2: its for ease of replacement |
| 03:34.35 | kergoth | absentia2: you want real coreutils instead of busybox coreutils? install coreutils, and it Replaces busybox-coreutils |
| 03:35.03 | kergoth | essentially. course you could do it with update-alternatives as well. i've played with that too |
| 03:35.09 | kergoth | goddamnit, my image still didnt run opie |
| 03:35.14 | kergoth | stupid fscking.. |
| 03:36.50 | sonix` | lol |
| 03:37.19 | kergoth | bastard |
| 03:37.23 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:37.29 | sonix` | hehe |
| 03:37.41 | sonix` | gcc is a bitch |
| 03:37.47 | sonix` | it didnt even let me compile the test program |
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| 03:40.54 | kergoth | hrm |
| 03:41.01 | kergoth | wtf is wrong with this image |
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| 03:49.32 | sonix` | damnit |
| 03:49.41 | sonix` | #ISNTITGREATHOWIRCSERVERSSENDTHECAPSOFTHEUSERJOINSTRING Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable |
| 03:49.42 | kergoth | absentia2: building an ipk now |
| 03:49.44 | sonix` | stupid efnet :) |
| 03:49.54 | kergoth | absentia2: itll be a mess, will need cleanup, but it should work |
| 03:49.55 | kergoth | absentia2: heh |
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| 03:52.16 | TCMAN | any people with linksys wcf12 here ? |
| 03:54.25 | sonix` | nope. |
| 03:54.31 | sonix` | blocks your stylus? |
| 03:54.40 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 03:55.29 | TCMAN | sonix`: no, it worked for couple hours and now doesnt associate with AP in my OZ |
| 03:55.42 | TCMAN | it works in notebook :( |
| 03:55.50 | TCMAN | doesnt work with Z anymore |
| 03:56.22 | TCMAN | i plug d-link - it works, plug in linksys - doesnt associate |
| 03:56.31 | TCMAN | wtf ? |
| 03:57.25 | absentia2 | ker |
| 03:57.27 | absentia2 | awesome |
| 03:57.34 | absentia2 | I have a wcf12 |
| 03:57.38 | absentia2 | couldn't ever get it to work |
| 03:58.01 | absentia2 | tcman: I get the same |
| 03:58.03 | absentia2 | my dlink works |
| 03:58.06 | absentia2 | my wcf12 doesn't |
| 03:58.07 | TCMAN | but why it worked for couple hours and now doesnt ? |
| 03:58.16 | absentia2 | I had mine show up once |
| 03:58.18 | absentia2 | and never again |
| 03:59.02 | TCMAN | absentia2: yeah, exactly, wtf ??? |
| 03:59.25 | kergoth | grr! |
| 03:59.34 | kergoth | my hard links get hosed when using tar |
| 03:59.35 | kergoth | wtf |
| 03:59.48 | kergoth | ( cd $destdir && tar -cvO $ipkgFileList ) | \ |
| 03:59.48 | kergoth | ( cd $tempDir && tar -xvf - ) |
| 04:00.02 | kergoth | ./usr/arm-linux/bin/ar |
| 04:00.02 | kergoth | tar: ./usr/arm-linux/bin/ar: Cannot hard link to `usr/arm-linux/bin/ar': No such file or directory |
| 04:00.26 | kergoth | thats fucking up both the gcc and the binutils ipks |
| 04:01.34 | absentia2 | :-/ |
| 04:02.06 | kergoth | hey if i put those same files in a tarball using tar -czvf, then untar that file, no errors |
| 04:02.09 | TCMAN | kergoth: on your linux box ? |
| 04:02.11 | kergoth | hrm |
| 04:02.12 | kergoth | yes |
| 04:02.19 | TCMAN | kergoth: you cannot hardlink to different device |
| 04:02.32 | kergoth | i'm not |
| 04:02.47 | kergoth | there are two files. both are hard links to the same inode |
| 04:02.52 | kergoth | i'm trying to tar them |
| 04:03.00 | kergoth | then untar that onto a different dir |
| 04:03.08 | kergoth | via a pipe with no intermediary file |
| 04:03.29 | kergoth | which *should* work |
| 04:03.32 | kergoth | afaik |
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| 04:14.31 | spike723 | anyone home? |
| 04:15.07 | absentia2 | can you tar hard links? |
| 04:15.38 | absentia2 | good night |
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| 04:30.12 | kergoth | absentia2: finally! |
| 04:30.19 | kergoth | absentia2: i'll upload this binutils ipk in a sec |
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| 04:39.34 | kergoth | absentia2: its in the c700 feed |
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| 09:42.54 | Bowser | ibot: oz-ipaq |
| 09:42.58 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz-ipaq is http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 09:42.58 | Speedy2 | Hey Phil. |
| 09:43.55 | pb_ | hi Speedy2 |
| 09:44.00 | Speedy2 | How's it goin? |
| 09:44.02 | Speedy2 | going |
| 09:44.03 | Speedy2 | . |
| 09:44.07 | Speedy2 | I got my GPS interface board working! |
| 09:44.26 | pb_ | ah, cool. |
| 09:44.30 | Speedy2 | Note to self: *Never* do a ground pour on a single-layer proto board. |
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| 11:28.17 | troffasky | which package is /usr/bin/play in? |
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| 12:41.13 | icefox | apt seen mandrake |
| 12:41.29 | icefox | ibot seen mandrake |
| 12:41.30 | | mandrake <~mandrake@pipe.cepstral.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 15h 35m 32s ago, saying: 'it can't be commercially licensed?'. |
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| 12:44.26 | ljp | ibot: seen ljp |
| 12:44.26 | | ljp is currently on #opie (38m 49s) #zaurus (38m 49s) #openembedded (38m 49s) #handhelds.org (38m 49s) #openzaurus (38m 49s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 12:44.52 | ljp | ibot: seen ibot |
| 12:44.52 | | ljp: i haven't seen 'ibot' |
| 12:45.38 | ljp | you ever tried the flashlight program for the Z? |
| 12:45.48 | schurig | ljp: no |
| 12:46.03 | schurig | does it make the screen so bright that you can use the Z as a flashlight? |
| 12:46.12 | ljp | dunno |
| 12:46.32 | ljp | never tried it, I think it just makes a white screen and turns the light an full |
| 12:46.58 | schurig | Ah, I know. But the program has a different name. It's called "batterydrain" |
| 12:47.03 | ljp | just needs a lens |
| 12:48.26 | troffasky | which package is /usr/bin/play in? |
| 12:49.08 | schurig | troffasky: sox? |
| 12:49.29 | ljp | schurig: looks like I am going to get hired bt trolltech @ Brisbane |
| 12:49.43 | ljp | by, not bt |
| 12:49.55 | schurig | cool |
| 12:50.00 | schurig | Brisbane Australia? |
| 12:50.29 | ljp | ya |
| 12:50.39 | ljp | thats where qtopia is developed |
| 12:51.52 | schurig | ljp: so, you take all the features of Opie and reprogram it for Qtopia ? |
| 12:52.01 | ljp | hehehe. no. |
| 12:52.11 | schurig | ljp: where do you life (live?) now? |
| 12:52.23 | troffasky | schurig yeag it was sox, TYVM. I searched google for /usr/bin/play zaurus and came up with nothing |
| 12:52.32 | ljp | my title would be 'Qtopia Community Manager/Liason' |
| 12:52.44 | ljp | I live in Colorado now |
| 12:52.45 | schurig | troffasky: in libsdl1.2mixer (or so) is also a playwave binary |
| 12:53.11 | schurig | ljp: ok, then your're living in the hills of the rockies, then Brisbane will be slightly hotter for you :-) |
| 12:53.30 | ljp | yes. for the most part. |
| 12:53.50 | ljp | Ilive north of Denver, and it does get hot in the summer |
| 12:54.46 | schurig | troffasky: when you compile your stuff yourself, then you have a Packages and a Packages.filelist in your feed directory (output/ipks). Then just do grep /usr/bin/play Packages.filelist |
| 12:54.48 | schurig | and you will see: |
| 12:55.01 | schurig | play sox:armv4l-strongarm:./usr/bin/play |
| 12:55.01 | schurig | playmus libsdl-mixer1.2:armv4l-strongarm:./usr/bin/playmus |
| 12:55.02 | schurig | playwave libsdl-mixer1.2:armv4l-strongarm:./usr/bin/playwave |
| 12:55.09 | schurig | hehe |
| 12:55.41 | schurig | ljp: that Laison sounds more like a non-programmer job |
| 12:56.02 | schurig | s/Lai/Lia/ |
| 12:56.29 | troffasky | well trouble is, I was just looking for an audio player to use with kismet for alerts |
| 12:56.42 | schurig | troffasky: playwave is tooooo slow |
| 12:56.59 | troffasky | yes it is a bit |
| 12:57.05 | schurig | troffasky: can't you just do some system beep? |
| 12:57.13 | troffasky | and the 'buzzme' that comes with kismet doesn't seem to work |
| 12:57.30 | ljp | for the most part, I will be doing web work, communications between all parties involved, and I get to work on opie and helix |
| 12:57.50 | schurig | troffasky: hmm, in qt-2.3.5 there is some stuff in for dealing with /dev/dsp. I know, because I just added #ifdef QT_QWS_DEVFS so that it opens /dev/sound/dsp. Maybe you can use that to play sound? |
| 12:57.54 | troffasky | all buzzme does is make a really faint click sound |
| 12:58.07 | troffasky | ok i'll look into it |
| 12:58.48 | schurig | troffasky: point your eyes to src/kernel/qsoundqss_qws.cpp |
| 12:59.07 | troffasky | ok |
| 13:00.56 | ljp | schurig: actually, I'd rather have this than a straight programming job, as I will get to travel some, and work with everybody |
| 13:01.13 | schurig | anyone with knowledge about the last ipkg bugs? |
| 13:01.36 | schurig | may Packages file show "qpf-bitstream-vera" as an entry, but ipkg update, ipkg install qpf-bitstream-vera does not work. :-( |
| 13:02.55 | chouimat | absentia: essui tout |
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| 13:03.31 | ljp | wwwhhhhaaaa? |
| 13:03.39 | chouimat | ljp: ? |
| 13:03.40 | schurig | chouimat: what are "suppositories"? (see topic) |
| 13:03.46 | ljp | hahahaaa |
| 13:03.56 | ljp | medicine you stick up your butt |
| 13:04.13 | chouimat | schurig: you know the little medicament that you take via the A** |
| 13:04.17 | schurig | so OZ and OE now have less fever? |
| 13:04.41 | pHluid | "less fever." |
| 13:04.44 | schurig | hehe, maybe it helps against SARS |
| 13:06.05 | schurig | ipkg -V 3 install qpf-bitstream-vera also is weird: |
| 13:06.10 | schurig | it says at some time: |
| 13:06.19 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.19 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.19 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.29 | schurig | so it learned about those two packages ... but later it says: |
| 13:06.39 | schurig | Cannot find package qpf-bitstream-vera |
| 13:06.43 | schurig | damn thing |
| 13:07.57 | schurig | and when I manually removed the entry for "qpf-bitstream-vera-light " from the Packages file and did an ipkg update/install, then it worked. |
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| 13:17.17 | absentia | re |
| 13:17.42 | absentia | wow, less than one screen of words since <chouimat> absentia: essui tout |
| 13:18.00 | absentia | quiet night |
| 13:18.01 | absentia | :-) |
| 13:18.55 | schurig | absentia: quiet day. It 15:18 hours here |
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| 13:22.07 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 13:30.14 | ljp_opieirc2 | tes tes, breaker, breaker 19.. any smokies here? |
| 13:30.47 | ljp_opieirc2 | ohhh it doesnt know that command |
| 13:31.06 | ljp_opieirc2 | hmm |
| 13:32.20 | ljp_opieirc2 | well.. siver me timbers... |
| 13:32.29 | ljp_opieirc2 | shiver |
| 13:33.10 | ljp_opieirc2 | ohh. needs to understand more commands for whatever reason |
| 13:33.49 | ljp_opieirc2 | I should probably compile qtopia 1.6 at some point.. hehehehe |
| 13:34.30 | ljp_opieirc2 | think I am going to splurge and get an cf net card |
| 13:35.03 | ljp_opieirc2 | wonder if links will work |
| 13:39.51 | pb_ | ljp_opieirc2: no smokies in this channel, fortunately. |
| 13:40.49 | ljp_opieirc2 | wwhhhhewww. good thing! |
| 13:41.31 | pb_ | guess you can keep on truckin' with impunity. |
| 13:42.03 | ljp_opieirc2 | I think opie-irc should put the userlist more offscreen, so the channel area gets larger |
| 13:42.26 | pb_ | yeah, the userlist is just a waste of space most of the time. |
| 13:42.49 | ljp_opieirc2 | like in a combo box by the menu at top |
| 13:43.33 | ljp_opieirc2 | or make a scrollview on the tab, and then add the channel area and list |
| 13:43.51 | ljp_opieirc2 | naa, that'd take space for the bar |
| 13:48.19 | ljp | cept they dont have mine... wwwaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:48.34 | ljp | bastards.. I'll get them...! |
| 13:49.49 | ljp | hmm |
| 13:49.56 | ljp | now thats very odd |
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| 13:50.22 | ljp | somehow, opie patches magically appeared in my qte dir after I untared it |
| 13:53.10 | ljp_opieirc2 | hmm |
| 13:55.34 | pHluid | opieirc needs a freaking /quote command ;[ |
| 13:55.38 | pHluid | bigtime. |
| 13:55.52 | ljp | and others |
| 13:55.59 | pHluid | No. Just /quote |
| 13:56.04 | pHluid | Who needs /whois, after all? |
| 13:56.08 | ljp | and /part |
| 13:56.15 | pHluid | Pfft |
| 13:56.16 | pHluid | details |
| 13:56.22 | pHluid | $25 |
| 13:56.24 | pHluid | er. |
| 13:56.26 | ljp | a /whois is nice |
| 13:56.27 | schurig | and /lart |
| 13:56.39 | ljp | ya and lart |
| 13:56.52 | pHluid | oh sweet ass. |
| 13:57.05 | pHluid | I just totally missed my mouth trying to take a sip off my oj |
| 13:57.06 | schurig | and /usesuppository ? |
| 13:57.26 | pHluid | Damn thing has been in the same place for 23 years, I still miss it. ;[ |
| 13:57.59 | ljp | old age |
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| 14:10.08 | icefox | ibot seen mandrake |
| 14:10.08 | | mandrake <~mandrake@pipe.cepstral.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 17h 4m 10s ago, saying: 'it can't be commercially licensed?'. |
| 14:11.25 | ljp | hehehe, opie as kde replacement |
| 14:13.04 | ljp | should forward that post to the kde mailing list for laughs |
| 14:13.31 | ljp | I should do that on one box here for giggles |
| 14:13.34 | Twiun | yeah, watch the list burn :) |
| 14:14.15 | ljp | 'eeeehh, screw X, and kde, I'm installing Opie!!' |
| 14:14.43 | ljp | oh well. |
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| 14:16.22 | ljp | I need to change 3 desktops into one laptop |
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| 14:19.34 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:19.38 | ljp_opieirc2 | hi |
| 14:22.03 | kolla | scanline: that xview/openlook compatibility stuff was a joke, right? :) |
| 14:22.30 | scanline | yes, april 1 |
| 14:22.42 | kolla | yes :) |
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| 14:27.24 | treke|home | opieirc2? |
| 14:27.28 | barthel | moin moin |
| 14:27.43 | kolla | scanline: any ogg/mp3 player for picogui yet? :) |
| 14:27.46 | barthel | sorry for my bad english |
| 14:27.53 | scanline | kolla: mpg321 :) |
| 14:27.58 | kolla | :) |
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| 14:28.48 | barthel | i did a mistake :-/ i deleted my /etc/profile on sl-5500 with openzaurus 3.2 |
| 14:28.56 | barthel | :-( |
| 14:30.07 | barthel | has anyone a fresh copy of /etc/profile for me ? or know, how i extract this file from zImage or initd ? |
| 14:34.24 | kolla | I have no /etc/profile on my OZ3.2 |
| 14:34.41 | kolla | wrong.. I have :) |
| 14:35.04 | kolla | if I can get mine online, I can dcc |
| 14:35.20 | barthel | kolla: start dcc |
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| 14:38.30 | barthel | kolla: failed :-/ |
| 14:38.47 | barthel | kolla: pls try again... |
| 14:39.50 | kolla | a sec, I'll put it on web |
| 14:40.13 | barthel | kolla: ok... thx |
| 14:40.34 | kolla | http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/profile |
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| 14:41.53 | barthel | kolla: irc break down :-( |
| 14:42.12 | kolla | you got the file |
| 14:42.13 | kolla | http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/profile |
| 14:42.14 | barthel | kolla: pls repeat the url again |
| 14:42.15 | kolla | ? |
| 14:42.20 | barthel | no |
| 14:42.29 | kolla | well, there it is :) |
| 14:43.11 | barthel | done |
| 14:43.15 | barthel | thx :-) |
| 14:43.43 | kolla | no problem |
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| 14:46.07 | agupta | hello |
| 14:46.09 | agupta | kergoth: whats new |
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| 14:51.01 | agupta | hey |
| 14:51.36 | XavierXeon | ho |
| 15:09.13 | icefox | has sharp released a new rom for the 5600 yet? |
| 15:09.21 | kergoth | ^/win 20 |
| 15:09.25 | kergoth | bleh, damn ^ |
| 15:09.26 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:09.42 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
| 15:10.33 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
| 15:11.00 | schurig | kergoth: moin! |
| 15:11.06 | schurig | kergoth: I found a new bug in ipkg |
| 15:11.41 | kergoth | what bug? |
| 15:12.42 | schurig | I tried to "ipkg install qpf-bitstream-vera" and the damn things wouldn't install. With -V 3 i saw that it found qpf-bitstream-vera and qpf-bitstream-vera-light, but then it did not install any of them. I deleted in the Packages file the reference to -light, then it worked |
| 15:13.55 | schurig | I'm just re-making the original Packages file so that I can reproduce |
| 15:15.37 | schurig | ipkg update |
| 15:15.42 | schurig | ipkg remove qpf-bitstream-vera |
| 15:15.47 | schurig | ipkg install qpf-bitstream-vera |
| 15:15.55 | schurig | Cannot find package qpf-bitstream-vera. |
| 15:15.57 | schurig | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 15:16.22 | schurig | ipkg -V 3 install qpf-bitstream-vera |
| 15:16.22 | schurig | pkg_info_preinstall_check: updating arch priority for each package |
| 15:16.22 | schurig | pkg_info_preinstall_check: update file owner list |
| 15:16.22 | schurig | pkg_hash_fetch_best_installation_candidate: apkg=qpf-bitstream-vera nprovides=2 |
| 15:16.32 | schurig | ... |
| 15:16.36 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.36 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.38 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.40 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.42 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.44 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.46 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.48 | schurig | Cannot find package qpf-bitstream-vera. |
| 15:16.50 | schurig | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 15:16.52 | schurig | configuring unpacked packages |
| 15:16.54 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.08 | schurig | ... and then some hash junk |
| 15:17.19 | schurig | btw: it wrote some config, despite the fact that it didn't do something. Not so nice on a flash-based filesystem |
| 15:18.41 | schurig | kergoth: weird, isn't it? |
| 15:20.08 | pb_ | schurig: yeah, ipkg tends to respond to the multiple-providers case with "cannot find package" at the moment. That is a recently introduced bug. |
| 15:20.37 | pb_ | schurig: however, it is almost never the right thing to have both a concrete and a virtual package with the same name. |
| 15:21.50 | pb_ | i.e. it would seem that qpf-bitstream-vera-light is in error here. |
| 15:24.08 | kergoth | indeed. shouldnt it be preferring the concrete to the virtual when handling multiple providers? |
| 15:24.13 | kergoth | I'd have to doublecheck the debian policy manual |
| 15:25.58 | schurig | pk_: aren't they both "concrete"? They have both files in it. I would say we should them name qpf-...-full and qpf-...-light and both provide qpf-... (wihtout -full or -light). |
| 15:26.20 | schurig | however, i'm not a debian-solves-the-dependency-hell expert :-) |
| 15:26.57 | pb_ | schurig: qpf-bitstream-vera is both a concrete and a virtual provide from qpf-bitstream-vera-light, which is an erroneous situation. |
| 15:27.20 | pb_ | schurig: there is no way to unambiguously specify that you want the concrete qpf-bitstream-vera. |
| 15:27.45 | pb_ | kergoth: mm, not sure. possibly there ought to be some arrangement like that, if only for reasons of least surprise. |
| 15:28.18 | schurig | kergoth: And I have another problem. I have a ipkg with just one file, /lib/modules/2.4.19-rmk7-pxa1/.../ramses_keyb.o. When I install this ipkg with ipkg-x86 (with "option offline_root /tftpboot/ramses2" in /etc/ipkg.conf) then the driver does NOT get installed, just the bureacracy in /usr/lib/ipkg is set up correctly. When I, on the target, do ipkg remove ramses_keyb, ipkg install ramses_keyb then the file is there. |
| 15:28.34 | Twiun | what are the specs that the buzzer driver requires of sound samples catted to it? |
| 15:28.36 | kergoth | schurig: odd, works fine here |
| 15:28.44 | Twiun | is it 22kHz, mono? |
| 15:28.44 | kergoth | Twiun: ask it. |
| 15:28.49 | kergoth | Twiun: OSS is your firend :P |
| 15:28.59 | kolla | why bother with ipkg if it's just one file? |
| 15:28.59 | Twiun | kergoth: I'll delve into the source :) |
| 15:29.18 | schurig | kolla: heard about automatic updates? |
| 15:29.29 | kolla | schurig: yea, they usually screw up :) |
| 15:29.51 | kergoth | kolla: uh, we use ipkg in general. making unnecessary special cases is a bitch at best. |
| 15:30.19 | kolla | one app, one drawer, done |
| 15:30.29 | kolla | no symlinks |
| 15:30.31 | kolla | :) |
| 15:30.49 | schurig | kolla: ipk IS kiss. I cannot copy files manually to thousands of boxes via nfsmount or scp. That's awful. But those devices are able to get the ipk's from our webserver. |
| 15:31.33 | kolla | I dont see the benefit |
| 15:31.46 | schurig | kolla: and updates to software and/or drivers are not just likely, you can bet your life on that ! :-) |
| 15:31.47 | treke | ease of use for the user |
| 15:31.58 | kolla | treke: well, but _is_ it really? |
| 15:32.02 | kergoth | and ease of maintainance |
| 15:32.04 | treke | kolla: yes, really it is |
| 15:32.09 | kergoth | good luck administering a linux box without a package management system |
| 15:32.21 | schurig | kolla: why don't you just copy binaries to your box? No need for *.rpm, *.deb etc |
| 15:32.34 | treke | kolla: ipkg install foo, is a lot simpler than tracking down all the necessarry files and making sure they are put in the right places |
| 15:32.45 | kergoth | not to mention dependency handling |
| 15:32.51 | kolla | schurig: mostly because I run linux on odd architectures like 68k :) |
| 15:33.28 | kolla | I compile myself and put stuff in their own directories.. if I want to get rid of something, I erase the catalog |
| 15:33.29 | schurig | kolla: upps, so slow computers still exists? (I once had a mc68000 with 8MHz and OS9/68000) |
| 15:33.53 | kolla | 50MHz 030 and thereabouts |
| 15:33.56 | schurig | kolla: ok, but here we are at #openembedded and not at #roll-your-own :-) |
| 15:34.02 | kergoth | kolla: you've obviously never administered a unix machine in a professional environment. |
| 15:34.05 | kergoth | indeed |
| 15:34.14 | chouimat | schurig: I had a color computer 3 with OS9/6809 and it's still working |
| 15:34.26 | kolla | kergoth: sure, my last 5 years have all just been a make-believe :) |
| 15:34.29 | schurig | kolla: my box has 400 MHz. So it's 8times faster than yours So I am able to make errors 8 times faster. So I need a packaging system :-) |
| 15:34.35 | kolla | or rather.. 6 years |
| 15:34.59 | kolla | schurig: your box crashes 8 times as soon :) |
| 15:35.03 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe we can add an archelogical secttion to OE :) |
| 15:35.37 | Twiun | kergoth: sharp_buzzer.c and sharp_melody.c? |
| 15:35.38 | kolla | but truly, I dont see the benefit in "merging" all sorts of apps into the base system |
| 15:36.07 | kolla | better keep system for itself and put the apps somewhere else.. that's what / /usr and /usr/local /opt etc is all about anyways |
| 15:36.18 | chouimat | kolla: eventually we can have "special initrd" |
| 15:36.31 | kolla | so when I create an app I do with --prefix=/usr/local/myapp |
| 15:36.54 | kolla | and the PATH is simple to maintain |
| 15:37.12 | treke | and it doesnt have to be maintained at all if it goes into /usr/local/bin |
| 15:37.31 | kolla | treke: well, but then you need the package nonsense to maintain that |
| 15:37.38 | treke | kolla: so? |
| 15:37.48 | treke | I dont have to do jack, the computer does it |
| 15:37.56 | kolla | package systems suck - I have yet to see _anyone_ that doesnt suck one way or another :) |
| 15:37.56 | treke | computers are good at dealing with crap like that |
| 15:38.08 | treke | much better than I am |
| 15:38.18 | kolla | well, you have to do the jack when the package systems fails :) |
| 15:38.43 | treke | Which on decent package managers is very rare |
| 15:38.52 | kolla | and that happens.. and then the joes out there have no idea how to fix it |
| 15:39.00 | kolla | treke: hah |
| 15:39.25 | kolla | decent package managers are rare in itself, so indeed, you are correct :) |
| 15:40.37 | kolla | with ipkg, how do you ask what package own this and that file? |
| 15:40.45 | treke | you dont |
| 15:40.55 | treke | you grep /usr/lib/ipkg/*.file |
| 15:41.30 | pb_ | or you use "ipkg search". |
| 15:41.31 | schurig | kergoth: this weekend will be an OE-hacking-weekend. |
| 15:41.39 | schurig | (my wife is out of town) |
| 15:41.46 | treke | ah, ipkg search. didnt know that one |
| 15:46.51 | kolla | SE P800 is nice enough |
| 15:48.03 | kolla | palm with buildt in 802.11 |
| 15:48.14 | kolla | and keyboard |
| 15:55.36 | agupta | hmm |
| 15:56.25 | schurig | Ahhh.... weekend at last! :-) |
| 15:56.42 | treke | schurig: bastard |
| 15:57.19 | kergoth | ibot: friday |
| 15:57.19 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 15:58.54 | treke | kergoth: hmmm, I wonder if the opie-login problem is an issue of not having a QPEApplication created during autologin |
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| 16:04.39 | Umaro | so if openzaurus is now a component of this openembedded thing, what other componets are there? |
| 16:04.45 | kolla | mf.. |
| 16:05.00 | kolla | unzip: unsupported compression method 0 |
| 16:06.05 | kergoth | Umaro: it supports a number of devices |
| 16:06.21 | kergoth | Umaro: including ipaq, webpal, tuxscreen, ramses, ads dev boards, et cetera |
| 16:06.30 | Umaro | I see. |
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| 16:07.08 | Umaro | cool. I should be getting my zaurus today. hopefully, anyway. |
| 16:07.24 | treke | kergoth: ah, I can now restart opie :) |
| 16:07.32 | treke | without loosing keyboard control |
| 16:07.43 | ljp_work | ibot: seen TimRiker |
| 16:07.45 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 16h 58m 23s ago, saying: 'ugh. You will get a call tomorrow. Could you fly in for interviews on Monday?'. |
| 16:08.39 | ljp_work | is the sharp camera driver proprietary? |
| 16:08.47 | kergoth | the driver portion, yeah |
| 16:08.53 | treke | this is sharp |
| 16:08.54 | kergoth | the api is public, but the code isnt released |
| 16:08.55 | treke | what do you think |
| 16:09.21 | ljp_work | well, maybe someone has camera driver somewhere's |
| 16:09.29 | ljp_work | thats why I asked |
| 16:09.42 | treke | sharp wouldnt open up one bit of code if they didnt have to |
| 16:09.52 | kergoth | bastards. |
| 16:09.54 | ljp_work | true. |
| 16:10.23 | kergoth | treke: fyi, fixed the stupid 'qte ipkj build requires a opie .config' bug |
| 16:10.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:10.32 | kergoth | that one was just annoying |
| 16:10.32 | treke | kergoth: did you push it? :) |
| 16:10.37 | kergoth | its in opie cvs |
| 16:10.44 | treke | ah cool |
| 16:11.43 | ljp_work | great. now I have to wait for a frickin phone call |
| 16:12.36 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 16:13.52 | kolla | sucks.. all my russian addresses are garbled when I transfer them from my phone to the zaurus |
| 16:25.12 | agupta | kergoth: whats new |
| 16:26.02 | Dessimat0r | agupta... hmm, wasn't that on my Barton core? |
| 16:30.58 | treke | ok. I'm here |
| 16:31.08 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:31.22 | treke | autologin as root was working, but I havent tested it recently |
| 16:31.27 | treke | so let me try that |
| 16:31.32 | kergoth | okay, opie-login spawns launcher, launcher runs a couple odevice methods, then creates a qpeapplication and runs with it |
| 16:31.38 | kolla | heh.. and when I type cyrillian in the address book and then pick that to send mail with.. opie-mail is all confused :) |
| 16:31.47 | kergoth | and we know a launcher started without opie-login works, so launcher doesnt need a odevice init prior to execution |
| 16:32.54 | agupta | Dessimat0r: wtf? |
| 16:35.13 | Dessimat0r | you know, they usually have a code on them |
| 16:35.19 | kolla | heh.. adressbook.xml |
| 16:35.23 | Dessimat0r | I recognise your name from off there |
| 16:35.28 | kolla | but is this utf-8? |
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| 16:40.32 | agupta | Dessimat0r: thats nice |
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| 17:13.43 | edwardam | So what's the 'best' software to put on a SL-5000 these days? Opie? OpenZaurus? |
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| 17:15.39 | edwardam | And what's the cheapest anyone has found a SL-5500 for (new) ? |
| 17:17.25 | edwardam | Anyone? |
| 17:19.54 | yeiazel | found a sl-5000 for 300 EUR |
| 17:22.58 | lsmith | you mean 5500? |
| 17:23.53 | kenb | 300 euro? yikes. |
| 17:23.58 | kenb | that's like... theft! |
| 17:24.11 | kergoth | whew, finally, a c700 image that boots with opie on it |
| 17:24.13 | kenb | they were as low as 194 USD a few weeks back for the SL5500 |
| 17:24.15 | kergoth | guess yesterday wasnt my day |
| 17:24.26 | kergoth | edwardam: openzaurus includes opie. |
| 17:24.27 | kenb | the 5000 isn't work 10 bucks these days. |
| 17:27.51 | yeiazel | kenb: 300 EUR in january, and in France (270 EUR in germany, and european delivery) |
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| 17:49.26 | mallum | hi |
| 17:49.55 | mallum | anyone know where I select the Xmemory-Ystorage params in buildroot for a 5500 ? |
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| 17:50.26 | kergoth | uh, in packages->kernel and modules |
| 17:53.02 | mallum | kergoth: okey, got it - never noticed that before with the c700 :-) |
| 17:53.13 | mallum | kergoth: and it appears I have a 5000 :/ |
| 17:53.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:53.59 | mallum | kergoth: what size do you recommend for the ramdisk ? |
| 17:54.16 | kergoth | on a 5000d? you need as much ram as you can get |
| 17:54.23 | mallum | okey |
| 17:54.24 | kergoth | if you dont have a card to install shit to, 26-6, otherwise 32-0 |
| 17:54.51 | mallum | hmm, only let me choose up to 16 |
| 17:54.52 | Twiun | kergoth: I'm finally getting round to making a java 'enabling' app for oz |
| 17:55.07 | kergoth | mallum: uh, you're selecting ramdisk size. |
| 17:55.15 | kergoth | mallum: 26-6 is a 6 meg ramdisk |
| 17:55.18 | kergoth | mallum: 32-0 is no ramdisk |
| 17:55.23 | Twiun | kergoth: jvm discovery and setting default jvm used at runtime |
| 17:55.29 | kergoth | Twiun: oh nice |
| 17:55.39 | mallum | kergoth: ah okey I dig |
| 17:55.57 | mallum | kergoth: thx |
| 17:55.58 | Twiun | kergoth: from the boards it seems developers will be happy to start using a java symlink instead of evm or cvm for their apps |
| 17:56.15 | kergoth | Twiun: could always use update-alternatives |
| 17:56.20 | kergoth | Twiun: considering this is the shit its designed for |
| 17:56.35 | Twiun | kergoth: I'll learn how to use it |
| 17:57.18 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah, looks ideal |
| 17:57.35 | Twiun | kergoth: I'll also need to add something that can deal with those problem programs |
| 17:57.53 | Twiun | kergoth: maybe creating/editing desktop entries specifically so that they work |
| 18:02.11 | _Psycho | i bought Tungsten stylus for my c700, they fit not bad |
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| 18:02.31 | Com[Plex] | wow. whats with all these new busybox packages on the testing feed? |
| 18:02.44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: they include the busybox symlinks |
| 18:02.48 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: that used to be in teh busybox package |
| 18:03.09 | Com[Plex] | yeah? to fix all that gets screwed up when trying to upgrade? |
| 18:03.20 | kergoth | uh, no |
| 18:03.35 | kergoth | it was split out so that one can easily switch between busybox and nonbusybox versions of things |
| 18:04.44 | Com[Plex] | ooh.. |
| 18:04.51 | Com[Plex] | there are non busybox versions of things? |
| 18:05.15 | Com[Plex] | so.. lert me get this straight, - is the new busybox goign to have More, or Less commands in it than before? |
| 18:05.24 | kergoth | neither. |
| 18:05.31 | Com[Plex] | ahh. |
| 18:05.31 | kergoth | ALL that happened |
| 18:05.36 | kergoth | is the symlinks were split into seperate packages |
| 18:05.37 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 18:05.38 | kergoth | period. |
| 18:05.42 | Com[Plex] | ahh. |
| 18:05.46 | kergoth | you want real wget? install wget, which Replaces busybox-wget |
| 18:05.48 | kergoth | ta da |
| 18:05.51 | Com[Plex] | I see |
| 18:05.55 | kergoth | which wasnt easy before |
| 18:07.28 | Com[Plex] | previously you would have to remove the symlinks for busybox-wget |
| 18:07.50 | Twiun | damn. update-alternatives'll have to be upgraded - I need the display command line argument |
| 18:08.34 | kergoth | Twiun: not gonna hpapne |
| 18:08.36 | kergoth | happen |
| 18:08.37 | kergoth | Twiun: heh |
| 18:08.41 | kergoth | Twiun: we arent using debian upd-alt |
| 18:08.45 | kergoth | Twiun: debian upd-alt is PERL |
| 18:08.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:08.51 | kergoth | we're using a shell version |
| 18:08.55 | kergoth | so feel free to add display |
| 18:09.32 | Twiun | ok, I'll beef up on shell scripting :) |
| 18:09.35 | bipolar | kergoth: do you want to set up an offical unstable gcc3 feed, or should I post the feed on my own server? |
| 18:09.55 | kergoth | bipolar: the latter for now. we need to restructure the site format yet |
| 18:10.00 | bipolar | kergoth: nod |
| 18:10.20 | Twiun | kergoth: what package does upd-alt come in usually? |
| 18:10.28 | treke | ipkg |
| 18:10.34 | kergoth | we should put it in its own package |
| 18:10.48 | edwardam | kenb: Are the SL5500 still at around $200.00 ? And from where? |
| 18:11.39 | Com[Plex] | tigerdirect |
| 18:12.47 | Com[Plex] | www.tigerdirect.com has 5500s for 200$ I think |
| 18:13.49 | edwardam | The diff between the 5500 and 5000 is the memory right? |
| 18:13.59 | treke | right |
| 18:14.16 | edwardam | Is the 5600 available in the US yet? |
| 18:14.32 | kergoth | what the .. |
| 18:14.37 | kergoth | my keyboard inputmethod doesnt pop up anymore |
| 18:14.55 | Com[Plex] | bllops! |
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| 18:18.07 | _Psycho | kergoth probably the bug i got last week when i said my kerboard thing was not popin up |
| 18:18.40 | kergoth | its weird |
| 18:18.41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:19.05 | _Psycho | i dont think reboot fixed it |
| 18:19.12 | _Psycho | or i forgot kinda i reflashed eafter |
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| 19:08.03 | agupta | hello |
| 19:08.36 | kergoth`lunch | hey aman |
| 19:08.38 | kergoth`lunch | whats up |
| 19:09.58 | treke | whenever I think |
| 19:10.08 | treke | #zaurus has hi rock bottom, it finds a way to go lower |
| 19:10.27 | kergoth`lunch | heheh |
| 19:10.28 | kergoth`lunch | yup |
| 19:10.47 | mallum | kergoth`lunch: looks like my new image no good :( |
| 19:10.55 | kergoth`lunch | mallum: the X one? |
| 19:11.06 | mallum | kergoth`lunch: yeah |
| 19:11.06 | NetNut404_work | Hey, I read where the fbvnc server fix is, but I followed it, and I can still only get mouse input.. not keybaord input.. (I folllowed http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=43045&atid=434956&func=detail&aid=712435 ) |
| 19:11.32 | mallum | kergoth`lunch: gets past reconfiguring packages ....... done, then just hangs there :( |
| 19:11.44 | kergoth`lunch | mallum: weird! |
| 19:12.05 | kergoth`lunch | mallum: i'd kill the postinst that creates the X rcX.d links in the rootfs dir, recreate, and try starting it manually |
| 19:13.02 | absentia | cool |
| 19:13.09 | absentia | sandisk cf wifi AND 128mb flash |
| 19:13.12 | absentia | same unit |
| 19:13.13 | mallum | kergoth`lunch: yeah I'll remove the nullxdm package on another image |
| 19:13.21 | absentia | <fliplap> except when you're fourty and you tell a girl you're two-eight |
| 19:13.24 | absentia | <dougheckaa> oooh, kergoth left |
| 19:13.26 | absentia | heheh |
| 19:13.29 | mallum | kergoth`lunch: btw can I get a serial console up on these easy enough ? |
| 19:13.34 | absentia | look up "lamer time yelich" in google |
| 19:13.36 | absentia | read the parody. |
| 19:13.45 | kergoth`lunch | mallum: add the entry to inittab in rootfs, or add it to the inittab in the sysvinit package |
| 19:14.11 | absentia | http://bse.die.ms/lamertime.txt |
| 19:16.02 | masticator | yo got. |
| 19:16.07 | masticator | er kergoth |
| 19:16.18 | masticator | kergoth`lunch: 5600 on its way |
| 19:16.21 | masticator | sent you email |
| 19:16.32 | agupta | kergoth`lunch whats new |
| 19:16.41 | kergoth`lunch | agupta: rewriting the qt keyboard handling .. again |
| 19:16.48 | kergoth`lunch | agupta: opie uses a new default font. bitstream vera. it rocks. |
| 19:16.59 | kergoth`lunch | masticator: okay, cool |
| 19:17.09 | absentia | tonight my goal is to be able to get source from the net |
| 19:17.14 | absentia | and compile on for for my c700 |
| 19:17.15 | absentia | and have it run |
| 19:17.17 | absentia | :-) |
| 19:17.22 | kergoth`lunch | going to test he binutils ipk? |
| 19:17.23 | kergoth`lunch | the rather |
| 19:17.41 | absentia | anything it takes |
| 19:17.50 | absentia | if that doesn't work, I'll vpc a debian to buildroot |
| 19:17.53 | absentia | but I'd love to get the binutils working |
| 19:18.01 | kergoth`lunch | it should |
| 19:18.08 | kergoth`lunch | fixed the hard link handling in the ipk generation |
| 19:18.09 | absentia | I want to contribute.. and I'm just not in a position to do so, yet. |
| 19:18.11 | absentia | ah1 |
| 19:18.11 | absentia | ok |
| 19:19.04 | absentia | hahh |
| 19:19.12 | absentia | this mag has an ad for www.mcdwireless.com |
| 19:19.13 | absentia | I go tthere |
| 19:19.34 | absentia | and there's a big dispersal of all the cities that have wireleess at mcdonalds... |
| 19:19.35 | absentia | nyc. |
| 19:19.37 | absentia | period |
| 19:20.20 | absentia | yup |
| 19:20.24 | absentia | one two blocs from my house |
| 19:20.33 | absentia | that was definitely a possilibty of wehat I hit while walking |
| 19:20.41 | absentia | I'll have to go investigate... irc here from times swuare |
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| 19:29.51 | HCl | hmmm |
| 19:29.56 | HCl | can someone help me |
| 19:30.01 | HCl | when i remove a file off my cf |
| 19:30.06 | HCl | the diskspace doesnt get freed |
| 19:30.10 | HCl | why? and how can i fix it? |
| 19:30.23 | kergoth | it works just fine here |
| 19:30.33 | HCl | i had this before.. kind of strange.. |
| 19:30.37 | kergoth | are you removing a file thats in use? |
| 19:30.42 | HCl | dont think so... |
| 19:30.45 | kergoth | it wont be freed until its no longe rin use |
| 19:30.47 | kergoth | normal unix behavior |
| 19:30.53 | HCl | nope... im not |
| 19:30.56 | kergoth | also, tried umounting the card? accesses are cached |
| 19:31.02 | HCl | i even unplugged the card and restart the zaurus |
| 19:31.08 | kergoth | try mounting with -o sync and doing the removes |
| 19:31.09 | HCl | still uses more space than actually used |
| 19:31.10 | kergoth | as a test case |
| 19:31.21 | kergoth | fsck'd the card? (with it unmounted obviously) |
| 19:31.26 | HCl | er |
| 19:31.28 | HCl | i get a bus error |
| 19:31.30 | agupta | kergoth whoa, thats that new opensource font right? |
| 19:31.30 | HCl | when i try fsck |
| 19:31.34 | agupta | shweet |
| 19:31.39 | kergoth | agupta: yeah, bitstream vera |
| 19:31.42 | agupta | kergoth hows other .19 stuff etc in general |
| 19:31.46 | HCl | /dev/hda1 999632 841264 158368 84% /mnt/cf |
| 19:31.46 | HCl | # cd /mnt/cf/ |
| 19:31.46 | HCl | # du -sh . |
| 19:31.46 | HCl | 561.7M . |
| 19:31.51 | agupta | ipkg any better? |
| 19:32.03 | agupta | HCl: you can do df -h |
| 19:32.08 | kergoth | agupta: example: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/screenshots/sc_19.04.35_Wed_31_Dec_1969.png |
| 19:32.10 | HCl | # fsck.vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 19:32.10 | HCl | dosfsck 2.8, 28 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN |
| 19:32.10 | HCl | Bus error |
| 19:32.25 | agupta | kergoth k, i'll check it out when i'm on a gui |
| 19:32.27 | kergoth | HCl: unmount it. |
| 19:32.30 | HCl | it is |
| 19:32.36 | HCl | # umount /dev/hda1 |
| 19:32.36 | HCl | # fsck.vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 19:32.36 | HCl | dosfsck 2.8, 28 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN |
| 19:32.36 | HCl | Bus error |
| 19:32.40 | kergoth | well, i cant repro that |
| 19:32.48 | HCl | heh :( |
| 19:32.49 | kergoth | fsck.vfat works jsut great here in all cases |
| 19:32.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:33.26 | HCl | :( |
| 19:33.32 | agupta | kergoth ipkg usable yet? |
| 19:33.37 | kergoth | agupta: is it ever? |
| 19:33.40 | absentia | heheh |
| 19:33.42 | HCl | well.. thanks anyways |
| 19:33.44 | agupta | kergoth heh |
| 19:40.11 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, my X less new image is still hanging :/ |
| 20:13.12 | NetNut404_work | hmm something is wrong with the fbvncserver FAQ |
| 20:13.26 | kergoth | fbvnserver works just fine here. |
| 20:13.40 | kergoth | vnc rather |
| 20:13.42 | NetNut404_work | it says to install the busybox from unstable |
| 20:13.50 | NetNut404_work | but that flubs all sorts of things |
| 20:13.55 | kergoth | uh |
| 20:14.05 | NetNut404_work | simple things lik ls break |
| 20:14.06 | kergoth | busybox from unstable at the time it was written was a lot different than busybox in unstable now |
| 20:14.13 | kergoth | thats what 'unstable' implies |
| 20:14.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14.17 | mallum | kergoth: the glibc-2.3 dont seem to be downloading the threads tarball btw ( downloaded it manaually ) |
| 20:14.18 | NetNut404_work | that's what I was thinking |
| 20:14.28 | kergoth | mallum: rm stamps/.glibc-2.3.addons |
| 20:14.37 | kergoth | mallum: the clean target isnt wiping it for some reason |
| 20:14.43 | NetNut404_work | yet all I can get is mouse input in fbvncserver |
| 20:14.55 | mallum | kergoth: ah okie, Im remaking the image from a mrproper |
| 20:14.59 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: yes, busybox mknod in 3.2 was broken |
| 20:15.16 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: so what should I do to fix it? |
| 20:15.36 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: install an old busybox |
| 20:15.48 | kergoth | or wait for unstable to stabilize |
| 20:15.59 | NetNut404_work | ok.. which one should I install? |
| 20:16.21 | NetNut404_work | I went back to the one in 3.2 to get the machine to run |
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| 20:18.04 | pchan | Just installed OZ and i want to transder crap form my comp...but i get: |
| 20:18.07 | pchan | when i ifconfig i get "usb0:unknown interface: No such device" |
| 20:18.41 | kergoth | so its a problem on the desktop |
| 20:18.59 | pchan | yes. |
| 20:19.00 | kergoth | doesnt have anything to do with OZ. |
| 20:19.06 | kergoth | what driver are you using? |
| 20:19.15 | pchan | I dont know to be honest.. |
| 20:19.18 | pchan | <---newb |
| 20:19.22 | kergoth | then the answer is obvious |
| 20:19.24 | kergoth | go read the howto |
| 20:19.28 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: so if I need to make the mknod work I should back up to which busybox? |
| 20:19.30 | pchan | I blacklistes CDCEther like it sayed, then modprobed usbnet |
| 20:19.39 | kergoth | NetNut404_work: any version previous to 3.2 |
| 20:19.43 | kergoth | pchan: usbnet doesnt support the Z |
| 20:19.48 | kergoth | pchan: unless you're on 2.4.21-pre/rc |
| 20:19.48 | NetNut404_work | kergoth: cool |
| 20:19.51 | pchan | kergoth: I did rtfm...but it gibes me that error...ok |
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| 20:21.04 | kergoth | pchan: or you can grab usbnet.c from 2.4.21-pre/rc and put it in 2.4.20 and use that, if you wont or cant use 2.4.21-pre/rc |
| 20:21.27 | kergoth | but 2.4.20 has some general usb bugs in the controller drivers, so i'd recommend 2.4.21-rc1 |
| 20:22.33 | treke | ok. wtf just happened there |
| 20:22.38 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:22.54 | treke | touch screen just stopped working |
| 20:23.01 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:23.21 | treke | well actually it stopped working three hours ago, but I havent been at my desk :) |
| 20:23.47 | kergoth | qt was opening the keyboard in raw mode |
| 20:23.50 | kergoth | why the hell.. |
| 20:23.59 | kergoth | it should be using mediumraw |
| 20:23.59 | treke | permission denied on the touch screen |
| 20:24.01 | kergoth | ~lart TT |
| 20:24.17 | scanline | qtmodmap? :) |
| 20:25.02 | kergoth | scanline: teaching qt to load its initial map based on the initial kernel keymap, same as tinyx |
| 20:25.13 | kergoth | scanline: then will create a kernel keymap manipulator for opie |
| 20:25.15 | treke | /dev/h3600_ts isnt there... |
| 20:25.16 | pchan | Ok, im running rh 8, whats the easiest solution?> |
| 20:25.24 | kergoth | pchan: 'easiest' |
| 20:25.24 | treke | fuck this. time for tslib |
| 20:25.25 | scanline | kergoth: good. currently it has something x-ish? |
| 20:25.29 | kergoth | pchan: s/easiest/only/ |
| 20:25.38 | kergoth | pchan: grab 2.4.21-rc1. build it. run it |
| 20:25.43 | kergoth | scanline: currently its horrid |
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| 20:26.06 | kergoth | hardcoded ifdef madness |
| 20:26.10 | scanline | eww |
| 20:26.19 | kergoth | yeah, you're telling me |
| 20:26.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:26.30 | treke | hmmm. dsl went down :) |
| 20:26.53 | pchan | kergoth: Easiest for a modem user :) |
| 20:28.49 | kergoth | anyone bored with a buildroot handy? need to add a config opt to choose to use gcc2/3 for opie&qt app builds |
| 20:29.20 | scanline | kergoth: for picogui's input drivers, I ripped a good bit of keymap-mashing code from Microwindows |
| 20:29.42 | kergoth | hmm, good idea. i'm in the kdrive code in xfree atm |
| 20:29.55 | scanline | ah yeah.. anything has to be easier than X code ;) |
| 20:30.29 | kergoth | actually this was surprisingly sane |
| 20:30.41 | kergoth | especially after hours of TT and lineo ifdef madness |
| 20:30.57 | scanline | heheh |
| 20:31.33 | prpplague | kergoth: what are you doing to kdrive? |
| 20:31.56 | kergoth | prpplague: looking at how it reads the existing kernel keymap |
| 20:32.30 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh, for cosmic's stuff? |
| 20:32.46 | kergoth | nope, for qt/e |
| 20:32.59 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 20:33.59 | kergoth | scanline: X is MIT licensed code, right? |
| 20:34.06 | scanline | yes |
| 20:34.10 | kergoth | whew |
| 20:34.12 | kergoth | k |
| 20:34.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:35.14 | scanline | eugh |
| 20:35.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:35.24 | scanline | apple expects its users to be so stupid |
| 20:35.29 | scanline | http://a80.g.akamai.net/7/80/51/79210251985dda/www.apple.com/macosx/jaguar/images/quartz-graph.gif |
| 20:35.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:35.39 | scanline | they're bragging about a frame rate of what, 20? |
| 20:36.03 | masticator | wom man just got my new MSDN subscription |
| 20:36.07 | masticator | its all on DVD now |
| 20:36.19 | masticator | whole of everything fits in on CD wallet |
| 20:36.21 | scanline | Microsoft Silly Doodad Network? |
| 20:36.33 | masticator | now I need to buy a DVD-writer |
| 20:36.39 | masticator | whats the best DVD drive? |
| 20:37.08 | masticator | scanline: Sun Szu: Know thy Enemy |
| 20:37.10 | scanline | SCSI 100x 500-DVD-changer DVD+-RW XP |
| 20:37.22 | masticator | er not quite |
| 20:37.25 | scanline | masticator: how is microsoft the enemy? |
| 20:37.29 | masticator | I want something 200 bux or less |
| 20:37.37 | masticator | scanline: well, they arent really the enemy. |
| 20:37.42 | masticator | SUN is the enemy! |
| 20:37.43 | bipolar | kergoth: I saw your post on OZ/users mentioning 2.4.19. Have you done any work with it yet? |
| 20:37.50 | kergoth | bipolar: eh, 'any' |
| 20:38.00 | kergoth | bipolar: on sd specifically you mean? |
| 20:38.06 | bipolar | kergoth: work that made progress :) |
| 20:38.11 | kergoth | eh |
| 20:38.22 | kergoth | I spend 2-3 weeks of nearly nonstop coding |
| 20:38.29 | kergoth | to port the Z support to 2.4.19 |
| 20:38.33 | kergoth | and rewrite half of lineo's drivers |
| 20:38.37 | kergoth | i call that 'work that made progress', yes |
| 20:38.47 | bipolar | kergoth: i concure. |
| 20:38.59 | kergoth | all it needs right now is a few finishing touches. |
| 20:39.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39.15 | lsmith | depends on who you ask .. your boss or an oz.org user :-) |
| 20:39.39 | kergoth | lsmith: good point. 3 weeks of slacking at my job probably doesnt count as work that made progress to my boss |
| 20:40.08 | lsmith | just make sure you dont loose it ... i wouldnt like to see you starve to death |
| 20:41.03 | icefox | ibot room #kde-devel |
| 20:41.04 | | icefox: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:41.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:41.27 | masticator | jesus plextor stopped making scsi writers? |
| 20:41.32 | tronical | puzzed=puzzled |
| 20:41.33 | masticator | what the hell is going on? |
| 20:42.11 | kergoth | tronical: yeah, thats a borked dep.. id just install the -modules ipks manually, kernel-modules is just a virtual package |
| 20:42.23 | kergoth | masticator: yeah, sucks |
| 20:42.28 | kergoth | masticator: not many options of scsi burners nowadays |
| 20:42.35 | masticator | is anyone making SCSI writers anymore? |
| 20:42.36 | tronical | kergoth: ahh. hm, how do I do that? :) |
| 20:43.02 | masticator | dammit, I love SCSI writers |
| 20:43.08 | kergoth | tronical: make image_menuconfig .. |
| 20:43.11 | masticator | almost no fear of coastering |
| 20:43.17 | kergoth | tronical: enable base-modules, usbd, etc |
| 20:43.18 | chouimat | masticator: ? |
| 20:43.24 | masticator | IDE buringing is black fucking magic |
| 20:43.31 | kergoth | masticator: yes! i agree wholeheartedly |
| 20:43.33 | masticator | gotta get special cables, all kinds of shit |
| 20:43.41 | tronical | kergoth: ah, and disable kernel-modulesthen? |
| 20:43.44 | chouimat | masticator: SCSI CD Burner? |
| 20:43.54 | masticator | I want a scsi DVD burner |
| 20:43.56 | masticator | I need one now |
| 20:43.58 | treke | well except for some times I did something really stupid |
| 20:43.59 | kergoth | tronical: yeah, kernel-modules is just a virtual package that depends on the rest |
| 20:44.06 | tronical | kergoth: okay, thanks! |
| 20:44.09 | kergoth | np |
| 20:44.12 | absentia | what's the link to the unofficial c700 again? |
| 20:44.14 | chouimat | masticator: yamaha mades scsi one |
| 20:44.17 | absentia | www.openzaurus.org/official |
| 20:44.26 | kergoth | ibot: oz-c700 is http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ |
| 20:44.26 | | okay, kergoth |
| 20:44.29 | masticator | choiuimat: Yamaha is not int the biz anymore |
| 20:44.55 | absentia | nevermind |
| 20:44.56 | absentia | got it |
| 20:45.03 | absentia | I always go |
| 20:45.06 | absentia | official/unofficial |
| 20:45.13 | absentia | instead of official/experimental |
| 20:46.09 | chouimat | masticator: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/netcomdirect/dvdramdvdr.html |
| 20:46.18 | masticator | whats the good DVD standard that is player compatible |
| 20:46.18 | Neo|Work | masticator: imho ide burning works fine nowadays |
| 20:46.25 | masticator | DVD+RW? |
| 20:46.29 | masticator | DVD RAM is the bad one right |
| 20:46.37 | Neo|Work | masticator: now that is an FAQ for itself |
| 20:46.47 | djr | i use DVD+R and +RW with no problems |
| 20:46.55 | Neo|Work | check the dvd faq |
| 20:46.59 | djr | those dvds work on all my standalone dvd units, all my dvd drives in computers, my ps2, my xbox, etc |
| 20:47.01 | masticator | rihgt DVD+R |
| 20:47.34 | chouimat | masticator: look at the link I posted there is some SCSI one |
| 20:47.44 | djr | i think -R is the more compatible one, but +R has way more features and better things... but its less supported... but... +R has worked in everything ive put the disc in |
| 20:47.47 | djr | so i cant complain |
| 20:48.17 | masticator | its been years since I've had to buy a new recorder |
| 20:48.34 | masticator | my current one is a Plextor SCSI 8x |
| 20:48.40 | Neo|Work | masticator: DVD FAQ is your friend http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3 |
| 20:48.52 | djr | my first cd writer was a 1x for $1100 |
| 20:48.53 | djr | ;) |
| 20:49.10 | masticator | yeah I had the original Yamaha |
| 20:49.18 | djr | yeah, thats what mine was |
| 20:49.20 | kergoth | i have a plextor 8x20 at home |
| 20:49.42 | masticator | same one |
| 20:49.51 | masticator | that drive is rock solid |
| 20:49.51 | Neo|Work | I have a 4x scsi burner and a newish 40x ide burner |
| 20:50.08 | djr | and i forget which one i have but its some dvd+r/+rw/cdr/cdrw unit |
| 20:52.04 | masticator | jesus I wouldnt even know who makes decent equipment these days |
| 20:52.21 | Neo|Work | masticator: I had hell of a time buying a new box |
| 20:52.26 | Neo|Work | much more complicated nowadays |
| 21:00.57 | masticator | found the one I want. |
| 21:01.02 | masticator | Sony DRX-500UL |
| 21:01.09 | masticator | external, Firewire and USB 2 |
| 21:01.16 | masticator | fuck this ATA bullshit |
| 21:01.19 | masticator | supports all standards |
| 21:01.27 | masticator | $386 |
| 21:02.39 | Neo|Work | firewire + usb2 => nice |
| 21:02.56 | Neo|Work | by the way, I love SATA - the cables are so darn nice |
| 21:04.59 | masticator | this way it will work on my new mac and my windows box |
| 21:05.50 | Neo|Work | your main computers there? |
| 21:14.49 | masticator | SOLD for $394 with shipping |
| 21:15.00 | masticator | Neo|Work: I just ordered a new mac |
| 21:15.19 | masticator | been spending money left and right today |
| 21:15.26 | masticator | tivo died.. ordered a new one |
| 21:15.48 | masticator | dvd burner.. |
| 21:15.50 | chouimat | masticator: which mac model? |
| 21:16.17 | masticator | powerbook |
| 21:16.42 | chouimat | masticator: ok ... I will order a GP32 next week ... |
| 21:17.36 | Neo|Work | http://www.gamespy.com/fargo/april03/headcrab/ |
| 21:17.47 | Neo|Work | masticator: damn, order me a mac too. :) |
| 21:18.15 | chouimat | Neo|Work: nah! I will just take monster :) |
| 21:18.46 | Neo|Work | monster? |
| 21:19.05 | masticator | I bought the baby powerbook |
| 21:19.08 | masticator | the 12 inch |
| 21:19.39 | masticator | I didnt feel like hauling around the 17 inch monster |
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| 21:32.45 | schurig | quite silent here ... |
| 21:37.22 | chouimat | hey schurig |
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| 21:38.45 | schurig | chouimat: hi! Just compiled KDE-cvs and trying out ksirc ... |
| 21:39.04 | mallum | kergoth: what the difference between oz-base-sysvinit and sysvinit packages ? |
| 21:39.40 | chouimat | schurig: ok ... I'm still using kvirc3 |
| 21:39.47 | schurig | mallum: at some time OZ will be able to use the need-script approach, without sysvinit. |
| 21:40.04 | schurig | mallum: we would then still need oz-base, but not sysvinit and oz-base-sysvinit. |
| 21:40.40 | schurig | mallum: basically, sysvinit is the sysvinit program itself (/sbin/init & friends), and oz-base-sysvinit are initscript in /etc/rcX.d, /etc/init.d |
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| 21:41.00 | mallum | schurig: okey cool thanks - so I'll need em both :-) |
| 21:41.04 | schurig | chouimat: kvirc might be more powerful than ksirc. But the new ksirc is fine, too |
| 21:41.21 | schurig | mallum: sure. Actually, oz-base-sysvinit should depend on sysvinit ... |
| 21:41.25 | chouimat|away | bbl |
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| 21:46.17 | kergoth | yep, and oz-base should Depend on oz-base-init, which is provided only by oz-base-sysvinit atm |
| 21:46.22 | kergoth | so sysvinit is indirectly required by oz-base |
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| 21:55.03 | masticator | hey, is today friday? |
| 21:55.08 | chouimat|away | yes |
| 21:55.33 | masticator | peachy. |
| 21:55.38 | kergoth | ibot: friday |
| 21:55.38 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 21:55.38 | chouimat|away | too bored to decide what to eat tonight ... |
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| 21:56.18 | yeiazel | it's saturday in 4 minutes |
| 21:56.19 | yeiazel | :) |
| 21:56.22 | fierman | off to work now |
| 21:56.24 | schurig | chouimat|away: try food |
| 21:56.47 | chouimat|away | schurig: ok now do I cook or I go eat in a restaurant? |
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| 21:57.08 | kergoth | anyone here used GIO_UNISCRNMAP ioctl? |
| 21:57.13 | schurig | chouimat|away: cook some nice stuff and invite a friend |
| 21:57.39 | chouimat|away | schurig: I will go out ... the "buffet chinois" or the mcdonald? |
| 21:57.53 | schurig | kergoth: no, that's that? Has it something to do with the console-keyboard-mapping? |
| 21:58.10 | kergoth | schurig: yeah, its the keycode -> unicode map, to retrieve it |
| 21:58.21 | schurig | chouimat|away: earlier you asked about "eat in restaurant". Mc Donalds is fast food, not restaurant. |
| 21:58.31 | chouimat|away | schurig: hehe |
| 21:58.48 | schurig | buffet sounds nice. But if your're already overweight ... |
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| 22:00.59 | schurig | hi ibot :-) |
| 22:01.06 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 22:01.07 | | thx |
| 22:13.51 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 22:15.32 | chouimat|away | ok I'm off me need food ... I will find a nice restaurant later |
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| 22:19.40 | kergoth | oh i hate that. |
| 22:20.00 | kergoth | hrmm |
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| 22:20.05 | tmm1 | hi |
| 22:20.15 | tmm1 | i love my cellphone |
| 22:21.07 | tmm1 | ibot die |
| 22:21.08 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 22:21.14 | pnis | hi? |
| 22:21.17 | tmm1 | yo |
| 22:21.22 | tmm1 | wassup pnis |
| 22:21.28 | tmm1 | long time no see |
| 22:21.29 | pnis | hi tmm |
| 22:21.34 | pnis | yes |
| 22:21.41 | tmm1 | hows mplayer and whatnot |
| 22:21.53 | pnis | mplayer is fine thanks :) |
| 22:21.59 | pnis | how is life ? |
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| 22:22.09 | kergoth | hey pnis |
| 22:22.13 | pnis | hi kergoth |
| 22:22.17 | tmm1 | pretty good i guess |
| 22:22.25 | pnis | tmm1: sounds good |
| 22:22.56 | kergoth | treke: you ever notice how running an opie app as -qws leaves the screen green after exiting? wtf is up with that |
| 22:23.11 | pnis | shouildn't openssl provide libssl0.9.7 ? |
| 22:23.11 | tmm1 | im on opie irc connected to self made cable made from cradle parts and ti chip samples connected to cellphone and to 144kbps internet |
| 22:23.15 | kergoth | pnis: no |
| 22:23.21 | kergoth | pnis: libssl0.9.7 provides libssl0.9.7 |
| 22:23.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:23.39 | pnis | kergoth: it does? because it didn't get downloaded |
| 22:23.44 | kergoth | yes, it does. |
| 22:23.51 | kergoth | of course it provides itself, thats pretty obvious |
| 22:23.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:24.04 | pnis | tmm1: sounds good indeed |
| 22:24.15 | tmm1 | unstable been updated recently? i want new fonts and stuff |
| 22:24.40 | pnis | kergoth: there is no provide in openssl/Makefile, and the version there is 0.9.7a |
| 22:24.52 | kergoth | pnis: what? |
| 22:24.57 | kergoth | pnis: read the makefile. |
| 22:25.09 | pnis | kergoth: which part |
| 22:25.09 | pnis | ? |
| 22:25.10 | kergoth | pnis: the bottom |
| 22:25.17 | kergoth | pnis: the part where it defines the vars for the libssl0.9.7 ipk |
| 22:25.19 | kergoth | heh |
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| 22:25.58 | pnis | oh hehe indeed |
| 22:26.09 | tmm1 | kergoth which sshot had new fonts |
| 22:26.35 | kergoth | i cant believe i'm printing out the unicode char map |
| 22:26.38 | kergoth | i must be bored |
| 22:26.42 | kergoth | tmm1: hold, a few of them |
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| 22:28.24 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 22:28.25 | | thx |
| 22:28.32 | tmm1 | wow |
| 22:28.35 | tmm1 | good stuff |
| 22:28.44 | tmm1 | in any feeds yet? |
| 22:28.45 | kergoth | look at how smoooth the edges are |
| 22:28.46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:28.53 | kergoth | only the experimental c700 feed |
| 22:28.58 | tmm1 | k |
| 22:28.59 | kergoth | unstable for collie could use another update |
| 22:29.08 | tmm1 | i want newer opie etc |
| 22:29.20 | pnis | hm, than why on earth did ipkg not download libssl than on upgrade? |
| 22:29.22 | tmm1 | after the flooding of my email with cvs logs |
| 22:29.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:29.40 | tmm1 | pnis ipkg sucks |
| 22:29.51 | kergoth | oliver got all pissy as usuall |
| 22:29.54 | kergoth | but such is life |
| 22:30.03 | pnis | tmm1: indeed |
| 22:30.05 | tmm1 | i also REALLY need a decent IM client for the Z |
| 22:30.28 | kergoth | tmm1: one of the gaim devs is going to work on a qtopia port |
| 22:30.33 | tmm1 | qtjim dont work |
| 22:30.33 | kergoth | tmm1: once he splits the gui from the core |
| 22:30.39 | tmm1 | nice |
| 22:30.46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:30.48 | tmm1 | but i cant wait that long |
| 22:30.51 | tmm1 | heh |
| 22:30.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:30.59 | kergoth | use kinkattalite, then you have aim at least |
| 22:31.03 | tmm1 | centericq work? |
| 22:31.18 | kergoth | centericq's great. add it to buildroot |
| 22:31.23 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 22:31.36 | tmm1 | kinkatta is buggy... it is really slow for some reason |
| 22:31.38 | pnis | brand new oz3.2 is reflashed, time to break it with ipkg upgrade once more |
| 22:31.44 | tmm1 | lol |
| 22:31.57 | tmm1 | ipkg is in a really sad state |
| 22:32.09 | tmm1 | then again when is it not |
| 22:32.13 | pnis | :] |
| 22:32.36 | tmm1 | any better ways to keep connection alive than pinging google.com ? |
| 22:35.26 | MyPrecious | ibot ping me |
| 22:35.26 | | bugger all, i dunno, MyPrecious |
| 22:35.43 | tmm1 | hah. konq does a great job of rendering theregister.com |
| 22:36.01 | tmm1 | any updates to konqe lately? |
| 22:36.23 | tmm1 | oh, nm |
| 22:36.31 | tmm1 | it wasnt done loading |
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| 22:38.52 | tmm1 | need a button to switch between running programs |
| 22:38.59 | tmm1 | would be so handy |
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| 22:42.53 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 22:42.53 | | It's great to be back! |
| 22:42.53 | kergoth | again |
| 22:44.10 | pnis | maybe this was the problem on upgrade |
| 22:44.11 | pnis | Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/libssl0.9.7_0.9.7b-1_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 22:44.11 | pnis | Installing libssl0.9.7 (0.9.7b-1) to root... |
| 22:44.11 | pnis | Package libssl0.9.7 wants to install file /usr/lib/libssl.so.0 |
| 22:44.11 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.11 | pnis | Package libssl0.9.7 wants to install file /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0 |
| 22:44.13 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.47 | pnis | not that it matters much of course :) |
| 22:45.16 | pnis | as upgrade takes half - one hour reflash takes 3 minutes |
| 22:46.07 | tmm1 | hmm |
| 22:46.16 | tmm1 | looks like missing replaces |
| 22:46.31 | djr | how do you upgrade busybox? when i type ipkg upgrade busybox... it gets a bunch of commands not found and then theres nothing left |
| 22:46.47 | kergoth | libssl0.9.7 either needs to Conflict or Replaces with libssl0.9.6 |
| 22:46.50 | kergoth | should check debian behavior |
| 22:46.52 | kergoth | djr: dont. |
| 22:47.05 | pnis | too late though |
| 22:47.24 | pnis | ln -sf /bin/busybox /bin/wget |
| 22:47.29 | kergoth | need to revamp its packaging a bit |
| 22:47.30 | pnis | ipkg install task-essential |
| 22:47.55 | pnis | maybe that would help |
| 22:48.00 | tmm1 | whoa |
| 22:48.03 | tmm1 | wtf |
| 22:48.03 | pnis | i mean |
| 22:48.10 | pnis | /bin/busybox ln -sf blabla |
| 22:48.17 | tmm1 | look at tipicME in killefiz |
| 22:48.31 | tmm1 | looks sweet |
| 22:48.35 | tmm1 | im client |
| 22:48.42 | tmm1 | looks java too... hmm |
| 22:48.44 | djr | it wont run for me |
| 22:48.56 | tmm1 | doesnt look like opie either |
| 22:49.03 | tmm1 | djr damn |
| 22:49.05 | pnis | djr: which part ? |
| 22:49.06 | djr | it complains about no main class specified |
| 22:50.15 | pnis | djr: you did ipkg install busybox, it downloaded the package and than it said it cant find ] among other things? |
| 22:50.32 | tmm1 | hmm |
| 22:50.42 | tmm1 | supposed to work on phones too |
| 22:51.07 | djr | pnis: i did ipkg upgrade busybox... it complained about no [ or echo... and then i didnt have cp or ls or anything |
| 22:51.55 | pnis | djr: so you do /bin/busybox ln -sf /bin/wget |
| 22:52.12 | pnis | djr: so far so good - than ipkg install task-essential complains something ? |
| 22:52.13 | kergoth | yeah, you have busybox, just not the links |
| 22:52.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:52.50 | djr | pnis: i never did that part yet... give me a sec |
| 22:52.58 | pnis | djr: all right |
| 22:53.26 | absentia2 | re |
| 22:55.06 | pnis | kergoth: did you say that libqte in oz3.2 is not stripped ? |
| 22:55.59 | tmm1 | glibc isnt is it |
| 22:56.08 | kergoth | parts of glibc are, parts arent |
| 22:56.12 | kergoth | libc6 itself is |
| 22:56.59 | tmm1 | k |
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| 23:00.01 | pnis | kergoth: ah ok |
| 23:04.35 | absentia2 | dinner from the palm |
| 23:05.00 | kergoth | slowly but surely rewriting my lost code |
| 23:05.07 | absentia2 | lost code? |
| 23:05.16 | kergoth | yeah, lost a bunch of patches |
| 23:05.17 | _Psycho | rm -rf /* kind ? |
| 23:05.20 | _Psycho | doh |
| 23:05.26 | kergoth | including my qt/e keyboard handling patch |
| 23:05.31 | kergoth | which is what i'm rewriting atm |
| 23:05.51 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.51 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.51 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.51 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.04 | pnis | he he |
| 23:06.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:06.28 | kergoth | not exactly surprising |
| 23:06.35 | pnis | :) |
| 23:06.35 | kergoth | thats how TKC usually treats their customers |
| 23:06.36 | absentia2 | :-< |
| 23:06.47 | kergoth | acm[0] = 0 |
| 23:06.47 | kergoth | acm[1] = 240 |
| 23:06.49 | kergoth | hey weird |
| 23:06.54 | kergoth | every other item in the unicode map is 240 |
| 23:07.07 | treke | eh. fuck tkc |
| 23:07.07 | kergoth | acm[2] = 1 |
| 23:07.07 | kergoth | acm[3] = 240 |
| 23:07.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:07.11 | pnis | the part I don't like is that I don't know where the bug could be (kernel or player) |
| 23:07.13 | absentia2 | ("@_" =~ m@(?:^|\n)\s*\b$pat\b\s+(?:[^\n]*?)\s*([^\n\s]+?)\s*(?:#[^\n]*?)?\s*(?=\n)@ig); |
| 23:07.17 | absentia2 | that's some of my pew |
| 23:07.18 | absentia2 | pewl |
| 23:07.30 | pnis | :] |
| 23:07.44 | pnis | :) |
| 23:07.47 | pnis | hi shawn |
| 23:08.26 | kergoth | hrmmm |
| 23:09.03 | kergoth | oh hey |
| 23:09.05 | kergoth | its working |
| 23:09.07 | kergoth | sweet |
| 23:09.46 | kergoth | i kick you in the nuts! </cartman> |
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| 23:09.55 | kergoth | hey sonix |
| 23:10.02 | treke | funny thing is, now that shawn's kicked me off the list, I dodnt see product announcements, so I havent bought anything recently :) |
| 23:10.25 | pnis | treke what have you bought in the past? |
| 23:10.41 | kergoth | tkcedit is a nice, well done app, minus the style |
| 23:10.44 | kergoth | mahjonng is nice, but slow |
| 23:10.45 | treke | lots of stuff :) |
| 23:10.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:10.58 | absentia2 | it needs to be full scren |
| 23:11.01 | absentia2 | it's too hard to see |
| 23:11.02 | pnis | i see |
| 23:11.21 | treke | mahjong, edit, file manager, tkcmail, tkcphone ( I think ), kapital, jabber |
| 23:11.29 | treke | tkctodo |
| 23:11.32 | kergoth | kapital any good? |
| 23:11.35 | treke | nope |
| 23:11.37 | kergoth | damn |
| 23:11.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:11.42 | absentia2 | hat is kapital ? |
| 23:11.46 | treke | I dont think anyone has liked kapital |
| 23:11.52 | kergoth | I need quicken for linux |
| 23:11.52 | kergoth | damnit |
| 23:11.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:11.58 | absentia2 | ah |
| 23:11.59 | treke | pnis: not sure what else |
| 23:12.01 | kergoth | and a opie app to sync with it |
| 23:12.04 | kergoth | thatd be smooth |
| 23:12.11 | kergoth | </pipe dream> |
| 23:12.16 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:12.17 | pnis | treke wow :) |
| 23:12.23 | treke | tkcmemo |
| 23:12.28 | treke | loadrunner |
| 23:12.44 | treke | tkcpainter |
| 23:13.06 | treke | tkcftp |
| 23:13.11 | pnis | i wonder why it's funny not to give just a little support when one would be willing to fix incompatibilities |
| 23:13.24 | pnis | one will not fix them than |
| 23:13.55 | pnis | support = ok, thanks |
| 23:13.55 | pnis | or something |
| 23:13.55 | pnis | ;) |
| 23:13.55 | treke | I think thats all I have |
| 23:14.17 | absentia2 | is their source open? |
| 23:14.20 | treke | no |
| 23:14.22 | absentia2 | *chortle* |
| 23:14.25 | absentia2 | well, there ou go |
| 23:14.36 | pnis | treke that's a neat list |
| 23:17.59 | absentia2 | ker: is gcc complete now? |
| 23:18.02 | absentia2 | ready for testing ? |
| 23:19.14 | kergoth | absentia2: binutils and gcc-3.2 are up. you wont have any includes for your libs of course, even libc6.. so maybe swipe a /usr/include from a linux box for testing |
| 23:19.17 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 23:20.23 | absentia2 | ok |
| 23:20.31 | absentia2 | I don't have a linux box |
| 23:20.34 | absentia2 | but I'll see what I can find. |
| 23:20.49 | kergoth | we need some -dev packages for the libs |
| 23:20.51 | kergoth | libc6-dev |
| 23:20.54 | kergoth | libssl-dev |
| 23:20.54 | kergoth | etc |
| 23:21.11 | pnis | ifconfig in task-essential would be most usefull too it seems |
| 23:21.50 | absentia2 | yaq |
| 23:21.56 | absentia2 | I think it should be a top priority |
| 23:22.00 | absentia2 | I think a lot of people with this device |
| 23:22.05 | absentia2 | know how to compile and edev |
| 23:22.12 | absentia2 | but they might not have another linux box. |
| 23:23.46 | sonix` | tkcpainter isnt too bad |
| 23:23.48 | sonix` | surprisingly |
| 23:24.04 | sonix` | hi kergoth |
| 23:24.24 | sonix` | tkc is pulling some marxist shit |
| 23:24.26 | absentia2 | I still think that open source can beat things like this |
| 23:24.31 | sonix` | Marx's most famous book Das Kapital |
| 23:24.48 | sonix` | absentia2 i'm sure but i cant use OZ. |
| 23:24.56 | absentia2 | problem with os is that it's so disjoint... someone will come in and consolidate things |
| 23:24.59 | absentia2 | it will be amazing then |
| 23:25.01 | sonix` | many apps available for OZ but not QPE or whatever its called |
| 23:25.12 | absentia2 | no matter what |
| 23:25.16 | sonix` | coo |
| 23:25.55 | treke | so what is broken with tkc now? |
| 23:26.08 | sonix` | treke i hear their software is poorly written |
| 23:26.23 | sonix` | i've ownly tried tkcPaint(er?) and its alright. |
| 23:26.49 | treke | no. what is the specific problem that causes it to not work |
| 23:27.02 | treke | since my touch screen is currently non functional I cant try it for myself |
| 23:27.48 | sonix` | it does work |
| 23:27.52 | sonix` | its just buggy. |
| 23:28.44 | sonix` | whats wrong with your touch screen? |
| 23:30.10 | treke | dunno. its a software problem, I'll get it going |
| 23:34.54 | treke | kergoth: btw, I can probaly set up a source mirror now. I've got storage space |
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| 23:35.18 | kergoth | cool. too bad buildroot doesnt support mirror handling out of the box ;) |
| 23:35.20 | kergoth | hey drw |
| 23:35.26 | treke | hehe |
| 23:35.26 | absentia2 | source |
| 23:35.28 | absentia2 | please do |
| 23:35.33 | drw | hi kergoth |
| 23:35.46 | treke | I just realized I've got an unused 30 gig drive in my web server :) |
| 23:35.54 | kergoth | i'm so sick of keyboard code, i really need to finish this shit |
| 23:36.13 | absentia2 | I like that cf 128mb AND wifi card |
| 23:37.03 | sonix` | anyone here compiled the Qt example that comes with the SDK? |
| 23:37.12 | pnis | kergoth: what keyboard code? |
| 23:37.15 | absentia2 | will sdk run under oz ? |
| 23:37.19 | kergoth | pnis: qte |
| 23:37.37 | pnis | kergoth: what needs fixing in it ? |
| 23:37.42 | kergoth | absentia2: the sdk is just precompiled glibc 2.2.x binaries and libs for x86 and arm, from x86 |
| 23:37.59 | kergoth | pnis: its worthless. I'm making it obey the in kernel keymap so we have consistent keyboard behavior across all environments |
| 23:38.01 | absentia2 | :-< |
| 23:38.05 | pnis | and the sdk won't work too well |
| 23:38.08 | kergoth | pnis: and its taking too damn long |
| 23:38.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:38.21 | treke | damn ds3 is in and working, just cant use it till they get permits |
| 23:38.22 | pnis | kergoth: ah |
| 23:38.51 | kergoth | woot, its workin |
| 23:38.58 | kergoth | keycode 1, map 0, type 11, val 97, acm a |
| 23:38.58 | kergoth | keycode 1, map 1, type 11, val 65, acm A |
| 23:38.58 | kergoth | keycode 1, map 4, type 0, val 1, acm ^A |
| 23:38.58 | kergoth | keycode 1, map 5, type 0, val 1, acm ^A |
| 23:39.04 | kergoth | acm = unicode value |
| 23:39.07 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 23:39.18 | pnis | cool |
| 23:39.33 | treke | ~lart santa barbara |
| 23:39.55 | kergoth | treke: i just realized, our qt is still dumping a qWarning on EVERY ts read |
| 23:39.59 | kergoth | treke: lol |
| 23:40.08 | kergoth | for tslib anyway |
| 23:40.44 | kergoth | ack, monster doesnt have patchutils |
| 23:40.48 | kergoth | i have no recountdiff! |
| 23:42.25 | sonix` | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=2677&s=128185bf4a854b98c0152e5d9de592f3 |
| 23:42.27 | sonix` | :( |
| 23:42.31 | sonix` | bitch wont make. |
| 23:42.48 | kergoth | its probably borked |
| 23:42.54 | kergoth | try building something else |
| 23:42.56 | sonix` | i just installed it! |
| 23:42.57 | sonix` | humm |
| 23:42.59 | sonix` | i have nothing else |
| 23:43.01 | pnis | sabinal is c700 ? |
| 23:43.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:43.08 | sonix` | considering i havent even written hello world! |
| 23:43.14 | kergoth | pnis: not sure what it is |
| 23:43.26 | pnis | aha |
| 23:43.30 | kergoth | dont have the c700 service manual yet |
| 23:43.34 | kergoth | and when i get it, it'll be in japanese |
| 23:43.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:43.58 | sonix` | :) |
| 23:44.31 | kergoth | i really need a new bk version to come out |
| 23:44.40 | kergoth | with the ability to flag a changeset and something i dont want pushed or pulled |
| 23:44.56 | sonix` | kergoth: do you recognize that error? |
| 23:45.05 | sonix` | minus its borked. |
| 23:45.44 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.51 | kergoth | i cant believe those scripts are still floating around |
| 23:45.55 | sonix` | heh |
| 23:46.12 | kergoth | i wrote those back in the day, but i dont use em anymore |
| 23:46.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46.18 | sonix` | how come? |
| 23:46.26 | sonix` | you dont test on qvfb anymore? |
| 23:46.35 | kergoth | yes i do |
| 23:46.41 | kergoth | but i use a couple shell functions in my .bashrc |
| 23:46.45 | sonix` | i c |
| 23:46.45 | kergoth | instead of having to source crap |
| 23:46.50 | sonix` | write a how-to |
| 23:46.57 | sonix` | or teach me and i'll write the how-to for you :) |
| 23:47.05 | sonix` | considering i'm the official OZ documenter |
| 23:47.08 | sonix` | uhm. |
| 23:47.09 | sonix` | :) |
| 23:47.21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:47.51 | *** join/#openembedded ljp (~ljp@tz0204.peakpeak.com) |
| 23:48.41 | sonix` | c'mon kergoth! |
| 23:48.44 | sonix` | help a brotha out! |
| 23:48.50 | sonix` | which distrib are you using btw? |
| 23:49.01 | kergoth | debian unstable or testing, depending on what box |
| 23:49.07 | kergoth | servers testing, my desktops unstable |
| 23:49.13 | sonix` | i c. |
| 23:49.49 | ljp | bleh |
| 23:49.58 | kergoth | bleh? |
| 23:50.03 | sonix` | this shiznit wont let me type t e h |
| 23:51.08 | treke | bleh |
| 23:51.15 | kergoth | ibot: friday |
| 23:51.16 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 23:51.31 | treke | ibot saturday |
| 23:51.32 | | somebody said saturday was the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 23:51.55 | treke | ibot sunday |
| 23:51.56 | | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 23:52.02 | sonix` | lol |
| 23:52.18 | sonix` | that bot is a beast. |
| 23:52.20 | treke | ibot saturday is <reply> saturday sucks because you never get shit done |
| 23:52.21 | | treke: please, watch your language. |
| 23:52.29 | treke | ibot saturday is <reply> saturday sucks because you never get anything done |
| 23:52.30 | | treke: please, watch your language. |
| 23:52.37 | treke | ibot: suck my balls |
| 23:52.38 | | treke: i haven't a clue |
| 23:52.38 | sonix` | hahaha |
| 23:52.49 | ljp | *sigh* |
| 23:52.57 | treke | ibot saturday is <reply> saturday is not good because you never get shit done |
| 23:52.58 | | treke: please, watch your language. |
| 23:53.06 | ljp | hahahaha |
| 23:53.11 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:53.17 | ljp | ~lart the shit out of treke |
| 23:53.20 | kergoth | treke: just give up man |
| 23:53.28 | treke | I wasnt sure where it was sucks or shit that ibot didnt like :) |
| 23:53.34 | sonix` | ibot: please, watch your language. |
| 23:53.35 | | sonix`: are you using Windows? |
| 23:53.42 | treke | kergoth: cant. ibot hasnt sucked my balls yet |
| 23:53.42 | sonix` | faggot! |
| 23:53.46 | sonix` | you dissing me? |
| 23:53.49 | sonix` | :) |
| 23:53.59 | kergoth | ibot sucks |
| 23:54.00 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 23:54.03 | *** join/#openembedded mandrake (~mandrake@gw.mandrake.net) |
| 23:54.12 | sonix` | hahahaha! |
| 23:54.18 | sonix` | oh man! |
| 23:54.32 | sonix` | like I said, ibot is a beast! |
| 23:54.43 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 23:56.13 | mandrake | home is overrated |
| 23:56.20 | sonix` | ... |
| 23:56.32 | kergoth`bbl | yeah, especially mine. maybe if there was a girl there or something |
| 23:56.48 | ljp | cant wait for friday, sorry, charlie |
| 23:56.48 | sonix` | you're already away! |
| 23:56.59 | mandrake | sonix`: ? |
| 23:57.15 | sonix` | that zaurus dev forum is overrated |
| 23:57.22 | treke | so is gentoo |
| 23:57.31 | sonix` | its a bunch of n00bs who dont know how to install drivers let alone program. |
| 23:57.53 | pnis | kergoth`bbl: bye |
| 23:59.15 | pnis | time to go to sleep , goodnight all |
| 23:59.33 | ljp | damnit office depot didnt have a cf eth. they didnt even know it was possible |
| 23:59.38 | sonix` | lol. |
| 23:59.44 | sonix` | go to CompUSA |
| 23:59.49 | ljp | too far |
| 23:59.53 | sonix` | best buy? |
| 23:59.57 | ljp | way too far |
| 23:59.59 | sonix` | damn |
