| 00:00.09 | absentia2 | same kernel image |
| 00:00.09 | absentia2 | ok |
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| 00:18.42 | ciaolinux | frm |
| 00:20.52 | [aSQUi] | ljp! |
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| 00:24.09 | drw | ljp: just finished dinner and was catching up here...congrats! |
| 00:25.39 | absentia2 | 80mb feed |
| 00:26.35 | ljp | thanks drw |
| 00:26.55 | ljp | its not official yet, but warwick sent a contract |
| 00:28.06 | chouimat | ljp: felicitationn |
| 00:28.35 | ljp | fff wwhhaa?! |
| 00:28.48 | chouimat | congratulation in french :) |
| 00:29.07 | ljp | aahhhh, havent learned thatword yet |
| 00:39.41 | drw | Zep rules! |
| 00:40.41 | drw | hope they have good rum down there... |
| 00:40.58 | ljp | ya, hope so |
| 00:41.18 | ljp | I should be able to afford better rum |
| 00:41.59 | ljp | wwwwooo! |
| 00:42.16 | chouimat | ? |
| 00:42.30 | ljp | :) |
| 00:42.37 | ljp | party, dude |
| 00:43.14 | treke|ho1e | now you just need to commit enough crimes in england to qualify to move there |
| 00:43.33 | ljp | hehehe, my ancestors probably did |
| 00:43.44 | ljp | being Scots and all |
| 01:03.15 | djr | as far as security goes... wouldnt it be a good idea to not allow connections at the password screen? if it comes up from a suspend or boot and wants my password... i can just ssh in and do whatever, ehehe |
| 01:04.04 | treke|ho1e | ? |
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| 01:07.57 | ljp | shh is secure |
| 01:08.24 | ljp | more secure than the password prompt |
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| 01:11.04 | djr | yep |
| 01:11.25 | djr | but im just saying... if you want to lock someone out... what good is it if they can turn the thing on... and then login ssh |
| 01:12.46 | ljp | dont give up your ssh pass |
| 01:13.05 | ljp | a handheld is inheirently unsecure |
| 01:13.06 | absentia2 | ? |
| 01:13.40 | absentia2 | use opie w/ ssh |
| 01:13.42 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 01:14.08 | ljp | ans: scrol up to djr's comment |
| 01:14.14 | absentia2 | ya |
| 01:14.16 | absentia2 | I read . |
| 01:14.21 | ljp | :) |
| 01:14.24 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 01:15.52 | absentia2 | cpo[ying today's entire feed to sd |
| 01:15.55 | absentia2 | have yesterdays |
| 01:15.58 | absentia2 | and psycho there too |
| 01:15.59 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 01:16.01 | absentia2 | still room for more |
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| 01:19.24 | ljp | buuurrrrpp |
| 01:30.43 | chouimat | *fart* |
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| 01:41.09 | treke|ho1e | kergoth`bbl: still not getting stripped |
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| 01:51.19 | absentia2 | what's he diff between konq snap full and the not full ipkg? |
| 01:51.25 | absentia2 | descriptions don't seem to state |
| 01:51.49 | chouimat | that kernel rocks I have a load of 6 and noatun doesn't skip |
| 01:55.06 | ljp | that's inconceivable! |
| 01:55.58 | absentia2 | i do not think that word means what you think it means |
| 01:56.23 | chouimat | ljp: I'm using the ck4 patch |
| 01:56.37 | absentia2 | no one knows whta's the diff between konq and konq full ? |
| 01:56.46 | chouimat | the namee |
| 01:56.53 | absentia2 | ? |
| 01:56.55 | absentia2 | does one have more? |
| 01:56.56 | absentia2 | require more? |
| 01:56.57 | absentia2 | ? |
| 01:57.33 | ljp | ones for embedded devices |
| 01:57.40 | absentia2 | look |
| 01:57.44 | absentia2 | both are in the feed |
| 01:57.46 | absentia2 | why are there two |
| 01:57.48 | ljp | and isnt worked on a whole lot |
| 01:57.49 | absentia2 | there has to be a difference |
| 01:57.55 | ljp | oohh |
| 01:57.59 | chouimat | absentia2: the name |
| 01:58.07 | ljp | konq full ipkg has ssl stuff |
| 01:58.11 | absentia2 | thank yo |
| 01:58.13 | absentia2 | u |
| 01:58.28 | ljp | I wasnt sure what the heck yer takling about |
| 01:59.23 | treke|ho1e | ~lart kergoth |
| 02:00.54 | ljp | loud |
| 02:01.28 | chouimat | oops Angel on tv .... bbl :) |
| 02:01.52 | ljp | angel? the 80's california glam rock band? |
| 02:02.11 | treke|ho1e | kergoth`bbl: whenever the opie build system dies it tries to take my machine with it |
| 02:02.37 | ljp | talk nice about opie and it moght let it go |
| 02:03.52 | absentia2 | went in easily |
| 02:03.53 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:03.58 | absentia2 | I have the shell ipkg install down |
| 02:04.00 | absentia2 | yeah! |
| 02:04.09 | chouimat|tv | ljp: nah! the buffy spin off ... mmmm that Ginger Beer is verry veyr good |
| 02:04.33 | ljp | ahhh |
| 02:04.58 | absentia2 | angel |
| 02:05.01 | absentia2 | didn't it get cancelled? |
| 02:06.26 | absentia2 | I want to see if mp3s work under kergoth image w/ gcc3 |
| 02:07.42 | ljp | STP cranks up right fine |
| 02:10.13 | absentia2 | ker: can I get backgammon to display large? |
| 02:10.14 | absentia2 | ? |
| 02:11.35 | ljp | large? |
| 02:11.52 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:11.56 | absentia2 | the backgammon is in the upper left |
| 02:11.59 | absentia2 | takes 1/4 of the screen |
| 02:12.03 | absentia2 | I want it to use more of he screen |
| 02:12.13 | absentia2 | there is some display option for BIG and SMALL |
| 02:12.17 | absentia2 | but it doesn't see to change anything |
| 02:14.39 | ljp | oh c700? |
| 02:15.17 | ljp | that app muct have the size hardcoded |
| 02:15.17 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:15.20 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:15.23 | ljp | must |
| 02:15.26 | absentia2 | I want to start fixing these codes! |
| 02:15.35 | ljp | :) |
| 02:15.41 | ljp | join opie |
| 02:15.48 | ljp | your welcome too |
| 02:15.57 | absentia2 | ok |
| 02:15.58 | ljp | we need more developers |
| 02:16.04 | absentia2 | I am a shell / perl coder |
| 02:16.10 | absentia2 | lots of compile experience |
| 02:16.12 | absentia2 | little c. |
| 02:16.16 | absentia2 | but I can debug, etc. |
| 02:16.29 | ljp | qt is easy to learn, IMHO |
| 02:17.12 | absentia2 | yup |
| 02:17.17 | absentia2 | I'll do it |
| 02:17.40 | absentia2 | hmm |
| 02:17.45 | absentia2 | konq is locking up the c700 |
| 02:17.47 | absentia2 | not good |
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| 02:35.28 | ninny | does anyone have a copy of the ipk and the source for IRK |
| 02:36.39 | absentia2 | no |
| 02:36.45 | absentia2 | I need to get ipk sources soon |
| 02:37.54 | ninny | irk. not ipk |
| 02:38.01 | absentia2 | yes |
| 02:38.02 | absentia2 | I know. |
| 02:38.06 | ninny | oh ok. |
| 02:38.06 | absentia2 | I don't have any sources, yet.. |
| 02:38.10 | absentia2 | so, no irk... |
| 02:38.22 | ninny | i can't find irk anywhere. all the links to it are dead. |
| 02:38.42 | ninny | i was hoping to modify it to use my other wireless keyboard. |
| 02:39.18 | absentia2 | ya |
| 02:39.19 | absentia2 | nice |
| 02:39.27 | ninny | i like bigger keys. |
| 02:39.43 | ninny | i like the webtv keyboard alot. |
| 02:40.22 | ninny | somone in this channel must have it. |
| 02:41.51 | absentia2 | ya |
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| 02:45.03 | ninny | http://jt.d2olds.com/irk-zaurus_0.9.2_arm.ipk |
| 02:45.08 | ninny | link to the ipk |
| 02:45.13 | NeoTron | phew, harddrive is ok |
| 02:45.14 | ninny | have yet to find the source. |
| 02:45.17 | absentia2 | nice |
| 02:47.52 | ninny | buhh. no source on that site. |
| 02:55.58 | treke|ho1e | hmmm. opie-systemtime ipkg wont build |
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| 03:05.56 | FredHome | man |
| 03:06.05 | FredHome | I need an independent opinion |
| 03:06.08 | FredHome | anyone here? |
| 03:07.09 | FredHome | neo, you here? |
| 03:07.10 | ljp | ya |
| 03:07.14 | FredHome | oh, ok |
| 03:07.19 | FredHome | ljp, I just got this email: |
| 03:07.29 | ljp | delete it |
| 03:07.31 | FredHome | I am unable to install this software on my Sharp "Zaurus" PDA. My computer uses Windows XP operating system. I have tried to install Intellisync, uninstalled it, then install Qutopia, still, I am unable to get network connections. Until, I am able to |
| 03:07.32 | ljp | :) |
| 03:07.38 | FredHome | rectify this problem with my PDA manufacturer, I request a full refund at this time. |
| 03:07.52 | ljp | akk |
| 03:07.56 | FredHome | yeah |
| 03:08.06 | FredHome | how would you respond to such a thing? |
| 03:08.16 | treke|home | refer him to sharp tech support |
| 03:08.23 | ljp | yup |
| 03:08.26 | treke|home | unless you have a refund policy |
| 03:08.29 | FredHome | well |
| 03:08.31 | treke|home | then refer him to that |
| 03:08.32 | FredHome | the thing of it is |
| 03:08.40 | ljp | or, 'you (&*^%&* idiot! |
| 03:08.43 | FredHome | the email subject says "Reference Number: xxxxxxx" |
| 03:08.56 | FredHome | I am guessing they filed some kind of report with handango |
| 03:09.03 | FredHome | and htis is a reference number from handango |
| 03:09.23 | treke|home | if your software works |
| 03:09.31 | treke|home | and they cant install it, it's their problem |
| 03:09.34 | FredHome | it does - and I have other customers on XP |
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| 03:09.36 | FredHome | including myself |
| 03:09.36 | FredHome | :) |
| 03:10.01 | FredHome | well, at the same time, I don't want to treat this person badly |
| 03:10.15 | FredHome | I just think it is unreasonable for me to give them a refund because they can't get their Z to sync |
| 03:10.20 | FredHome | or am I being shortsighted? |
| 03:10.40 | ljp | nope |
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| 03:10.41 | FredHome | This is what gets me: |
| 03:10.44 | FredHome | "Until, I am able to rectify this problem with my PDA manufacturer, I request a full refund at this time." |
| 03:10.51 | FredHome | the way that reads to me is: |
| 03:10.55 | FredHome | 1. refund me my money |
| 03:10.59 | FredHome | 2. I will get this problem fixed |
| 03:11.02 | FredHome | 3. have a nice day |
| 03:11.06 | ljp | dont tell them that, though. First try to help them get it connecting |
| 03:11.07 | treke|home | dont forget |
| 03:11.14 | FredHome | no, I wouldn't tell them that |
| 03:11.14 | treke|home | 4. Bend over and grab your ankles |
| 03:11.19 | FredHome | I am just saying, it sounds that way to me |
| 03:11.41 | ljp | I mean, dont tell them they get a refund |
| 03:12.19 | ninny | tell them to eat a dick and give them sharps phone number. |
| 03:13.09 | FredHome | ninny: I am not gonna be that rude man |
| 03:13.27 | FredHome | my main goal is to let them run my software |
| 03:13.30 | FredHome | if they get to run it |
| 03:13.34 | FredHome | I think they will like it |
| 03:13.42 | ljp | yep |
| 03:13.43 | FredHome | its just that it isn't my direct fault that they can't sync |
| 03:13.52 | ljp | nope |
| 03:14.12 | ninny | what is your software. |
| 03:14.16 | FredHome | I doubt based on their email however |
| 03:14.19 | FredHome | that they share my opinion |
| 03:14.20 | FredHome | :) |
| 03:14.27 | FredHome | ninny: http://www.planinhand.com |
| 03:15.43 | absentia2 | good night |
| 03:22.34 | ninny | guess you can't really say fuck you to them. |
| 03:22.41 | FredHome | no, not really |
| 03:22.49 | treke|home | well you could |
| 03:22.53 | ninny | yeh. |
| 03:22.55 | ninny | you could. |
| 03:23.00 | FredHome | I don't wanna be that kindof company |
| 03:23.08 | FredHome | I dislike that treatment from tkc |
| 03:23.10 | FredHome | :( |
| 03:24.01 | ninny | are you supplying a solution with the z and the program or just the program? |
| 03:24.59 | FredHome | ninny: I don't understand your question |
| 03:25.26 | ninny | do you sell them the z with the program? |
| 03:25.32 | ninny | or just the program. |
| 03:25.43 | FredHome | just the program |
| 03:26.13 | ninny | bahh then fuckem. |
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| 03:37.43 | FredHome | anyone know if you put an .ipk onto a CF card, can you install from the CF with a stock Z rom? |
| 03:37.54 | FredHome | I know you can from OZ |
| 03:38.01 | FredHome | but I haven't ever run the stock Z myself |
| 03:38.10 | ljp | should be able too |
| 03:38.23 | FredHome | ok |
| 03:38.30 | FredHome | how does this sound then?: |
| 03:38.40 | FredHome | We are truly sorry that you have been unable to install our software. We have several customers that have been able to install from Windows XP computers, and we ourselves have tested that. |
| 03:38.40 | FredHome | Since your problem is with your Zaurus, and not with our software, we would recommend you contact the appropriate vendor - Sharp. |
| 03:38.40 | FredHome | Their customer assistance center phone number is: 877-794-8675 |
| 03:38.40 | FredHome | Their zaurus support email address is: zaurussupport@sharpsec.com. |
| 03:38.41 | FredHome | We very sincerely hope you can get your Zaurus problem resolved because we are convinced that you will love our product once you get it installed! :) |
| 03:38.44 | FredHome | One other thing you can try is to put the .ipk onto a CF card using your Windows computer and then installing the package from the CF card. |
| 03:39.29 | ljp | sound good |
| 03:40.03 | treke|home | add "Fuck off" to the end |
| 03:40.18 | FredHome | rofl |
| 03:40.19 | FredHome | nah |
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| 04:18.15 | ninny | remember "fuck off" it works in retail clothing |
| 04:18.20 | ninny | should work in software too |
| 04:26.17 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:27.13 | Marsupilami23 | whats up with MaxsizeButton error? |
| 04:28.05 | treke|home | ignore it |
| 04:28.16 | treke|home | thats the 12 opie build of the night |
| 04:28.19 | treke|home | f*k this |
| 04:28.36 | Marsupilami23 | damn |
| 04:32.45 | Marsupilami23 | I cannot find a .pdb reader that doesn't segfault on me |
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| 05:05.03 | Piete | damn! I should visit openzaurus.org more often!! |
| 05:10.04 | yeiaway | when you've jumped up, and you get glued on the ceiling |
| 05:10.13 | yeiaway | then you can jump down |
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| 05:10.26 | Marsupilami23 | Just out of curiosity, how do I update opie? |
| 05:10.37 | yeiaway | "update opie" ? |
| 05:10.43 | Marsupilami23 | upgrade opie |
| 05:10.45 | Marsupilami23 | whatever |
| 05:10.51 | yeiaway | "upgrade opie" ? |
| 05:11.02 | Marsupilami23 | Nm |
| 05:11.13 | yeiaway | if you're using OZ stable, you use the version in OZ stable |
| 05:11.25 | yeiaway | if you waqnt a more recent version, use OZ testing or unstable |
| 05:11.50 | yeiaway | change the feed with aqpkg or editing the ipkg feeds list file |
| 05:12.02 | yeiaway | leave opie |
| 05:12.10 | yeiaway | and type "ipkg upgrade" on the console |
| 05:12.28 | Marsupilami23 | Gracias |
| 05:12.39 | yeiaway | ...it has broken my OZ every time I've tried to do so |
| 05:12.48 | yeiaway | ipkg sucks |
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| 05:19.44 | Piete | yeiaway: lol! |
| 05:19.56 | yeiaway | Piete: :) |
| 05:20.32 | Piete | yeiaway: heh, I really can't focus on more than 1 place at once.. and even then.. uhh,,,mm, what was I saying? |
| 05:22.04 | Piete | anyways.. I'm out.. |
| 05:34.17 | treke|home | hmmm. inbox is down to 400 messages |
| 05:34.19 | treke|home | not bad :) |
| 05:39.23 | treke|home | 300 |
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| 13:28.38 | absentia | morning |
| 13:28.46 | pHluid | hallo. |
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| 14:05.03 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:05.53 | troffasky | anyone here using Kismet on Z? |
| 14:06.05 | yeiazel | yes |
| 14:06.11 | yeiazel | when is worked |
| 14:06.18 | yeiazel | s/is/it/ |
| 14:07.00 | troffasky | are you using 'buzzme' to notify of new networks? |
| 14:07.33 | yeiazel | no |
| 14:07.47 | yeiazel | didn't know there were something like that :) |
| 14:07.53 | troffasky | have you got your Z handy? |
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| 14:11.32 | yeiazel | "handy" ? what does that mean ? (sorry, I'm french, and lack some english :) |
| 14:12.00 | troffasky | is it near to you right now? |
| 14:12.04 | yeiazel | oh |
| 14:12.05 | yeiazel | yes :) |
| 14:15.00 | troffasky | can you try running 'buzzme -n'? |
| 14:15.04 | troffasky | see if it does anything |
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| 14:16.55 | yeiazel | just a buzzer sound |
| 14:17.01 | yeiazel | like the screen tap one |
| 14:17.13 | troffasky | so it actually does something? |
| 14:17.25 | troffasky | does it output any error messages? |
| 14:18.23 | yeiazel | that's the problem, the buzzer sound is perhaps from the error message :) |
| 14:18.36 | yeiazel | "Error Getting Buzzer Volume: fct not impl." |
| 14:19.01 | troffasky | it's supposed to beep three times, but on mine it just makes a barely audible 'click' |
| 14:19.02 | yeiazel | and "buzzme: main: problems getting volume on device '/dev/sharp_buz" |
| 14:19.10 | yeiazel | the same here |
| 14:19.11 | troffasky | yeah that's what I get |
| 14:19.16 | troffasky | same on my friends zaurus too |
| 14:19.27 | troffasky | I've tried two different versions of 'buzzme' as well |
| 14:25.11 | mithro | anyone got a c700 to sync with qtopia desktop? |
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| 14:34.31 | Piete | anyone know why I can't connect to the zaurus's ftp via konqueror? On the zaurus it say something like 'an unauthorized system is trying to access' and then only a deny button.. |
| 14:35.27 | peter | normally you would just do ftp://ipofyourzaurus, but maybe you have to add a username,password to the login !? |
| 14:35.56 | chouimat | Piete: check the security setting |
| 14:36.20 | yeiazel | ftp://root@ipofyourzaurus ? |
| 14:36.28 | yeiazel | ftp://root:yourpass@ipofyourzaurus ? |
| 14:36.33 | Piete | ftp://zaurus:4242/mnt/card |
| 14:36.40 | Piete | I can access it fine with command line ftp.. |
| 14:36.50 | Piete | I use root@ too |
| 14:36.59 | yeiazel | ftp://root@zaurus:4242/mnt/card doesn't work ? |
| 14:36.59 | Piete | but it doesnt matter, since it asks for username and password |
| 14:37.04 | yeiazel | oh ok |
| 14:37.05 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:37.24 | yeiazel | and you can with the 'ftp' command ? |
| 14:37.35 | Piete | oh doh |
| 14:37.41 | Piete | I forgot the rootme password ;) |
| 14:38.02 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:38.17 | Piete | sweet,, I love this ;) |
| 14:38.35 | Piete | man, kde's connectivity rules.. everything is local :) |
| 14:38.48 | Piete | nfs, samba, ftp, and other more obscure stuff.. |
| 14:38.54 | yeiazel | fish:// rocks too ;) |
| 14:39.00 | Piete | heck yea ;) |
| 14:39.10 | chouimat | ~lart Piete |
| 14:39.12 | yeiazel | but a system-wide equivalent would be better |
| 14:39.18 | yeiazel | like ftpfs |
| 14:40.22 | Piete | yeiazel: yea, I guess. but this requires zero configuration.. and for casual use its wonderful.. |
| 14:40.27 | kolla | arg.. I cant have Documents scanning my flash cards |
| 14:40.45 | yeiazel | yes :) |
| 14:41.02 | kolla | on wake up from suspend, it uses so long time to scan for files that it sometimes jumps right back into suspend again |
| 14:41.11 | yeiazel | hehehe :) |
| 14:41.12 | Piete | anyone here ever wear out a flash-storage device? |
| 14:41.30 | yeiazel | Piete: ? |
| 14:42.00 | Piete | yeiazel: sd, cf, mmc,, I mean, exceed the 100,000 write limit |
| 14:42.08 | yeiazel | oh ok |
| 14:42.11 | yeiazel | not me ;) |
| 14:42.23 | Piete | or most cards these days are probably closer to a million writes... |
| 14:42.57 | pHluid | hrm. How do I upgrade busybox from the testing feed? ipkg install --force_reinstall busybox just gives me "package busybox is not available from any feed..." |
| 14:43.39 | mithro | hrm for some reason sync just decided to work today :) |
| 14:43.40 | pHluid | Is it all seperate in the testing feed? |
| 14:44.21 | Piete | mithro: I havent tried to sync since my Sharp-ROM days (long long ago) |
| 14:44.45 | Piete | I lost my Palm IIIc (my actual PIM pda) in the subway last week... |
| 14:45.20 | Piete | I got it working occasionally,, but it messed up a lot every now and then.. |
| 14:45.41 | Piete | I'm just really really really glad about the 2.4.19/sd news ;) |
| 14:45.55 | mickeyl|balkon | rest assured, we all are :-D |
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| 14:48.15 | mithro | dunno whats up with Qtopia Desktop but this is the first time it's actually decided it can sync with my device... |
| 14:48.23 | mithro | seems to be working fine now... |
| 14:48.41 | Piete | lookie lookie :) http://piete.dyndns.org:8080/~abri/abridesktop3.png |
| 14:49.40 | mithro | Piete: thats easy :) |
| 14:50.17 | Piete | mithro: heh, sure beats mput in normal 'ftp' |
| 14:50.45 | mithro | Piete: yeah, but you could have just put samba on your zaurus and it work work just as well... |
| 14:51.14 | Piete | mithro: well. I couldn't care less |
| 14:51.23 | Piete | it works.. I won't fix it ;) |
| 14:51.42 | mithro | Piete: but it's good you got that working because you can mount/work with remote ftp sites in the same way |
| 14:53.04 | Piete | ah well, I guess I should add karamba to that screenie too ;) |
| 14:53.38 | pHluid | meh |
| 14:53.52 | pHluid | ipkg install -force_reinstall -d root busybox_0.61.pre-20030415-1_armv41-strongarm.ipk |
| 14:53.59 | pHluid | is there anything wrong with that line? |
| 14:54.04 | mickeyl|balkon | yes, its pretty risky |
| 14:54.15 | mickeyl|balkon | if somethings goes wrong, you have screwed your installation |
| 14:54.19 | pHluid | I'm aware |
| 14:54.27 | mickeyl|balkon | so why not using wget ? |
| 14:54.28 | Twiun | afternoon |
| 14:54.31 | pHluid | But why won't it freaking work? |
| 14:54.39 | pHluid | It says it's not in the feeds, no matter what |
| 14:54.42 | Piete | mithro: that would absolutely rule |
| 14:54.54 | pHluid | download it locally, and it says the file doesn't exist |
| 14:55.10 | mickeyl|balkon | mmh... ipkg sucks. |
| 14:55.23 | Piete | mithro: the 'digital camera' button works like that.. I just plug my camera in,, the light on the icon turns green.. I have all my pics ;) |
| 14:55.38 | pHluid | meh. |
| 14:55.40 | mithro | Piete: i could do it for a SD or Compact Flash with vfat on it inside the zaurus |
| 14:55.44 | pHluid | well at the very least, where is the work mknod? |
| 14:55.57 | pHluid | s/work/working? |
| 14:56.03 | Piete | http://piete.dyndns.org:8080/~abri/abridesktop4.png if you want to see it with karamba,, nothing amazing.. :P |
| 14:56.10 | mithro | however doing it for the actually Z memory would be very hard |
| 14:56.10 | mickeyl|balkon | take the busybox binary out and just copy it over your current |
| 14:56.31 | Piete | mithro: we'll send you pizza ;) |
| 14:56.54 | Piete | mithro: hehe, that would render sharp-rom obsolete ;) |
| 14:57.04 | Piete | of course, it already basically is,, |
| 14:57.12 | Piete | when you compare functionality.. |
| 14:57.16 | mithro | Piete: it's not that hard, you just map IDE calls incoming from the windows box to the cf ide calls |
| 14:57.24 | mithro | but you couldn't have the cf mounted at the time... |
| 14:57.29 | mithro | and you couldn't sync using it... |
| 14:57.54 | Piete | hmm,, |
| 14:58.16 | mithro | otherwise you would have to emulate a block device with vfat on it |
| 14:58.17 | Piete | it would be handy just for a quick doc up/download at some generic computer.. |
| 14:58.19 | mithro | which is ALOT harder |
| 14:58.35 | Piete | I see... |
| 14:58.45 | pHluid | Anybody? Working mknod? :) |
| 14:58.59 | mickeyl|balkon | take the busybox binary out and just copy it over your current |
| 14:59.02 | mickeyl|balkon | just said it |
| 14:59.09 | pHluid | meh. |
| 14:59.10 | mickeyl|balkon | then you have a working mknod |
| 14:59.54 | pHluid | I'd rather keep ipkg in sync if possible, and just use the externally compiled mknod |
| 15:00.07 | mithro | busybox was broken last time i looked |
| 15:00.22 | pHluid | Thought that was fixed? |
| 15:01.29 | kolla | mf.. a real screenlock would be nice |
| 15:01.50 | kolla | hm |
| 15:01.59 | mithro | dunno... |
| 15:02.17 | Twiun | kolla: agreed - some users need that kind of security |
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| 15:02.36 | kolla | does the display have to be "on" to be able to accept input? |
| 15:03.00 | Twiun | kolla: it'd be nice if it was coupled with an encrypted filesystem and a *kernel* lock - not just screenlock |
| 15:03.10 | Piete | haha, I was listening to this song on xmms, and I never heard it before,, and after about 10 minutes I thought, shees, this is a loong song,, then i realized xmms was repeating the song, and the beginning and the end blends perfectly.. |
| 15:03.14 | kolla | when I use xmms, I would like to control it without the display turning on |
| 15:03.39 | kolla | Piete: xmms is nice in that way.. |
| 15:03.47 | kolla | opposed to some certain other player |
| 15:03.50 | Piete | kolla: or, when playing movies, I'd like it without the display turning *off* |
| 15:03.51 | Piete | :) |
| 15:04.13 | kolla | :) |
| 15:04.21 | mithro | i know you can screen blank with xmms from what i've heard |
| 15:04.28 | kolla | yes |
| 15:04.41 | kolla | but say.. if you want to chaneg volume or sjip track, it goes back on |
| 15:04.44 | kolla | change |
| 15:04.46 | kolla | skip |
| 15:04.52 | kolla | darn.. what's wrong with my fingers :) |
| 15:05.15 | Twiun | kolla: typing with your feet instead of your hands again? |
| 15:05.25 | Twiun | kolla: should ease up on the partying :) |
| 15:05.37 | kolla | Twiun: if so, then I would be very content.. not that many I know that manage this well withtheir feet :) |
| 15:06.25 | Piete | anyone know if the bass and trebble (sp?) controls actualy work? |
| 15:06.42 | kolla | Piete: I cant say I jhave noticed much differences |
| 15:07.02 | Piete | hmm,, this sound definately needs more bass.. |
| 15:07.31 | Piete | well,, I'm used to 5.1 with a nice subwoofer.. I guess I'm just conditioned ;) |
| 15:08.16 | kolla | :) |
| 15:10.55 | mickeyl|balkon | Piete: not on the Z |
| 15:10.55 | Piete | sweet,, the zaurus has a pretty decent audio out.. I never really cared to listen very closely.. |
| 15:11.05 | Piete | for a change I actauly have some music ;) |
| 15:11.09 | Piete | actualy even |
| 15:11.13 | Piete | mickeyl|balkon: ah well ;) |
| 15:11.50 | kolla | Piete: it's quite ok.. personally I never grasp why PCs tend to have so crappy sound.. all kinds of noice and disturbances |
| 15:12.18 | Piete | yea.. especialy with the current state of creative-labs drivers.. |
| 15:12.27 | Piete | its pathetic.. |
| 15:15.04 | scanline | The generic SB Live and the OSS emu10k1 driver work pretty decently |
| 15:15.22 | scanline | at least until I have a few hundred dollars to upgrade my speakers |
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| 15:16.07 | Piete | heya scanline :) how goes it? |
| 15:16.18 | scanline | not too bad :) |
| 15:17.22 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: are you back yet? :) |
| 15:18.29 | kergoth`bbl | bipolar: no |
| 15:18.33 | bipolar | heh |
| 15:18.47 | pHluid | bitch ass |
| 15:18.56 | pHluid | damn thing went into suspend on me in the middle of an ssh session |
| 15:18.59 | pHluid | bastard |
| 15:19.01 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: where is buildroot suposed to get glibc-linuxthreads-2.3.1.tar.gz from? |
| 15:19.16 | kergoth`bbl | bipolar: rm stamps/.glibc-2.3.addons; make |
| 15:19.19 | Piete | scanline: just come to korea.. plenty of single, pretty girls :) |
| 15:19.27 | kergoth`bbl | bipolar: it downloads it. just the clean targets dont seem to be wiping it |
| 15:19.39 | kergoth`bbl | brb, coffee |
| 15:19.49 | scanline | Piete: hehe... even if I was any good at learning new languages, I couldn't afford that |
| 15:19.51 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: thanks |
| 15:20.00 | ljp_work | scanline: or just stay in Boulder, and turn off your computer once in awhile |
| 15:20.07 | scanline | I was hoping to go to OLS, and I really don't think I'll have the money for that |
| 15:20.46 | scanline | ljp_work: well, there's that.. I have several friends here, a few of them female, but they're just friends |
| 15:20.57 | Piete | scanline: well,, I've been here 3 years, I can't speak 10 words of korean yet (*blush*), and its going pretty well.. |
| 15:21.07 | scanline | Piete: :) |
| 15:21.11 | Piete | scanline: I actualy survive by being an "English teacher" |
| 15:21.17 | scanline | hehehe |
| 15:21.19 | scanline | neat |
| 15:21.27 | kolla | Piete: so what do you really teach them bastards? :) |
| 15:21.37 | Piete | kolla: hehe, um, english :P |
| 15:21.48 | kolla | :) |
| 15:22.48 | peter | /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/build/include/asm/io.h:424: inconsistent operand constraints in an `asm' |
| 15:22.48 | peter | hermes.c: In function `hermes_bap_pread': |
| 15:22.48 | peter | /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/build/include/asm/io.h:435: inconsistent operand constraints in an `asm' |
| 15:22.48 | peter | hermes.c: In function `hermes_bap_pwrite': |
| 15:22.48 | peter | hermes.c:453: Internal compiler error in `fixup_var_refs_1', at function.c:2081 |
| 15:22.48 | peter | Please submit a full bug report. |
| 15:22.50 | peter | See <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/bugs.html> for instructions. |
| 15:22.52 | peter | cpp0: output pipe has been closed |
| 15:22.55 | peter | i don`t like that |
| 15:22.58 | Piete | scanline: they pay for the housing, so most of my money goes to 1. pizza, 2. internet (which is friggen awesome here btw) 3. misc expenses |
| 15:23.09 | ljp_work | arent there somewhat flabby, pasty white computer nerd females? |
| 15:23.10 | scanline | mm.. pizza... |
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| 15:23.16 | Piete | scanline: hehehe |
| 15:23.20 | scanline | ljp_work: haven't met one yet |
| 15:23.26 | ljp_work | hm |
| 15:23.29 | ljp_work | me either |
| 15:23.31 | Piete | ljp_work: ick! |
| 15:23.37 | kolla | scanline: put those computers of yours on a dynamo on one of those bicycle thingys :) |
| 15:23.41 | kolla | work for that uptime :) |
| 15:23.45 | Piete | ljp_work: you are gonna give me nightmares :) |
| 15:23.54 | ljp_work | :) |
| 15:23.59 | scanline | kolla: hmm.. I have a UPS :) |
| 15:24.06 | kolla | oh.. shoot :) |
| 15:24.27 | kolla | well, the UPS needs charging ;) |
| 15:24.35 | scanline | indeed |
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| 15:25.05 | kergoth | mmm coffee |
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| 15:25.25 | ljp_work | mm chocolate chip muffin |
| 15:25.26 | Piete | kolla: I charge mine with static electricity.. It gives me excercise.. while on the chair, is shuffle my feet, and zap the ups every now and then :P |
| 15:25.39 | kolla | Piete: lol |
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| 15:26.02 | treke | mornin |
| 15:26.19 | Piete | well, good night all :) 12:20am here :) |
| 15:26.25 | kergoth | night Piete |
| 15:27.03 | kolla | kergoth: do you know if there was some trick to avoid Documents from scanning SD/CF? |
| 15:27.10 | jespah | Has anyone here managed to get a working emulator installed on the Z/qtopia? |
| 15:27.11 | kergoth | kolla: mediummount |
| 15:27.17 | kolla | it seems broken to me.. |
| 15:27.22 | kergoth | wouldtn surprise me |
| 15:27.29 | kergoth | document scanning sucks in general |
| 15:27.39 | kergoth | atm anyway |
| 15:27.59 | kolla | atm? |
| 15:28.09 | treke | man, what is Peter Hrmsdorf |
| 15:28.12 | treke | 's problem |
| 15:28.31 | treke | no one ever claimed buildroot compiled completly 100% of the time |
| 15:28.37 | kolla | Hrmsdorf? :) |
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| 15:29.47 | bipolar | treke: did he post an email somewhere? |
| 15:29.48 | chouimat | treke: ? |
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| 15:30.31 | kergoth | bipolar: openzaurus-devel |
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| 15:32.43 | chouimat | kergoth: your last reply was a little harsh |
| 15:33.01 | kergoth | chouimat: to peter? he bitches every other day about shit changing UPSTREAM |
| 15:33.10 | kergoth | like thats my problem |
| 15:33.28 | chouimat | kergoth:ass hole a day ass hole everyday |
| 15:33.36 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:33.58 | treke | now his reply to oliver, that was harsh :) |
| 15:34.01 | ljp_work | I think he just wanted to be informed if/when stuff like that happens first |
| 15:34.08 | scanline | hah! MacGyver's first name is James! |
| 15:34.16 | bipolar | kergoth: ahh... I'm not on that list. I should be, methinks |
| 15:34.23 | treke | ljp_work: thats oliver |
| 15:35.05 | treke | now hrmsdorf is looking for Debians buildroot equivalent :) |
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| 15:35.30 | kergoth | saw that. guess he'll find out pretty fast that debians' buildsystem is a nightmare for nonnative |
| 15:35.46 | pb_ | yah. |
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| 15:45.16 | troffasky | anybody managed to get 'buzzme -n' to work? |
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| 15:46.34 | bipolar | is there some way to tell what compiler built a binary? Specificly a way to see if it was built with gcc 3 or 2? |
| 15:47.31 | mickeyl|balkon | look for symbols inside. if ya have a bit experience you can tell from the name mangling... |
| 15:47.40 | mickeyl|balkon | if it's c++ |
| 15:47.44 | kergoth | assuming you're loking at a c++ binary |
| 15:47.46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:47.47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:47.50 | mickeyl|balkon | :) |
| 15:47.58 | mickeyl|balkon | or look at what libraries it sucks in |
| 15:47.59 | mickeyl|balkon | ldd |
| 15:48.18 | kergoth | opinion.. do we keep size 24 of Vera? |
| 15:48.29 | kergoth | i'm adding 16 per harlekin's request |
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| 15:48.49 | mickeyl|balkon | kergoth: yes, but: please make a opie-vera-qpf-light, which does not contain anything larger than 12 |
| 15:48.57 | mickeyl|balkon | larger than 12 is not necessary for collie |
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| 15:49.16 | kergoth | mickeyl|balkon: twiun had a good point on that front though, what about when web browsing? |
| 15:49.26 | kergoth | mickeyl|balkon: you'd have to stay at a low % scaling |
| 15:49.59 | kergoth | i'll add the ipk though, it doesnt cost anything. I'll make them Replace one another so you can switch back and forth |
| 15:50.06 | mickeyl|balkon | kergoth: yeah, then lets divide into two packages. one for <=12, one for >12. because they are _very_ big (2MB) |
| 15:50.13 | scanline | yikes |
| 15:50.24 | scanline | at 2MB you might as well just use truetype fonts |
| 15:50.43 | kergoth | well, then you've got the size of both freetype and the opie freetype plugin |
| 15:50.53 | treke | kergoth: scaling shouldnt be a problem. konquerer should be using the closest match anyways |
| 15:51.02 | scanline | kergoth: can't be that big, can it? |
| 15:51.20 | treke | scanline: freepye is supposed to be a memory pig |
| 15:51.35 | kergoth | the opie freetype support sucks, it doesnt keep a global glyph cache |
| 15:51.43 | scanline | treke: probably takes less memory than multiple large bitmap fonts, if you cache correctly |
| 15:51.47 | scanline | kergoth: still? |
| 15:51.47 | kergoth | needs fixing before we consider going to it out of the box |
| 15:51.47 | scanline | bah |
| 15:51.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:51.52 | treke | scanline: it doesnt cache at all though :) |
| 15:51.54 | kergoth | nobody's bothered to fix it agaik |
| 15:51.57 | treke | scanline: that's why no one uses it |
| 15:52.02 | scanline | pfft, that sucks |
| 15:52.06 | kergoth | we could use qt's freetype support |
| 15:52.12 | scanline | since I think 2.1.3, freetype's caching has been great |
| 15:52.13 | kergoth | but then we've got sharp rom compatibility issues |
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| 15:52.38 | treke | may I be first to recommend that we say fuck sharp? :) |
| 15:52.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:52.59 | Twiun[afk] | kergoth: does adding freetype (not removing anything else) really break bc? |
| 15:53.00 | mickeyl|balkon | maybe we can handle this also when we introduce a SharpROM compatibility target for the opie buildroot |
| 15:53.17 | kergoth | Twiun: opie apps that make use of it wouldnt run on a sharp rom |
| 15:53.21 | kergoth | Twiun: due to the missing symbols |
| 15:53.43 | scanline | why would an app need to refer to the freetype-specific code directly? |
| 15:53.45 | treke | kergoth: so we just need to feeds. the packages are already incompatible |
| 15:54.02 | kergoth | good point |
| 15:54.05 | kergoth | anyone want to test it? |
| 15:54.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55.15 | Twiun | listen to that silence :) |
| 15:55.18 | treke | is documentation in the fine manual? |
| 15:55.21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:55.27 | mickeyl|balkon | lets ask in #zaurus, where more sharp rom folks are |
| 15:55.35 | Twiun | mickeyl|balkon: Hah! |
| 15:55.47 | Twiun | mickeyl|balkon: I couldn't find a sharp rom user when I tried last time |
| 15:55.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55.57 | mickeyl|balkon | Twiun: really? |
| 15:56.01 | pHluid | A what rom? |
| 15:56.16 | kergoth | scanline: if its designed sanely, it wont |
| 15:56.19 | kergoth | scanline: .. |
| 15:56.21 | Twiun | mickeyl|balkon: Yeah, I wanted someone to confirm that my fullscreen jeode hack worked on the sharp rom |
| 15:56.25 | scanline | kergoth: if :) |
| 15:56.28 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:56.39 | Twiun | pHluid: Sharp ROM - the original one installed on new Zaurii |
| 15:56.49 | pHluid | Twiun: Yeh, that was a joke. :P |
| 15:56.51 | scanline | so what's the difference between Qt's freetype support and Qt/E's pseudo-support? |
| 15:57.01 | pHluid | Well kind of |
| 15:57.03 | mickeyl|balkon | Twiun: damn... i need some folks assisting me in wellenreiter and opie-camera sharprom compatibility... |
| 15:57.08 | pHluid | I've still never actually seen the Sharp rom. |
| 15:57.09 | pHluid | heh. |
| 15:57.12 | Twiun | pHluid: sorry :) I'm mentally exhausted - can't think straight |
| 15:57.25 | Twiun | mickeyl|balkon: those users are a dying breed |
| 15:57.26 | pHluid | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9132 |
| 15:57.32 | pHluid | Too bad Z's don't support SD devices |
| 15:57.40 | mickeyl|balkon | SDIO that is? |
| 15:58.10 | pHluid | yah. |
| 15:58.35 | mickeyl|balkon | is the c700 same in this direction or did they implement sdio facilities there |
| 15:58.36 | mickeyl|balkon | ? |
| 15:59.25 | kergoth | scanline: its not qt/e's psuedo support really, its opie's. |
| 15:59.32 | pHluid | treke: keep trying to sneak up on it |
| 15:59.43 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:00.06 | Twiun | treke: it;s like any form of gambling... don't invest unless you can afford to waste the time/money :) |
| 16:00.21 | treke | Twiun: hehe :) |
| 16:01.40 | Twiun | treke: only problem I have with staying on stable builds is it leaves me behind all the goodies kergoth+al add to things like the buildroot |
| 16:02.10 | treke | Twiun: well I sort of need to stay on unstable :) |
| 16:02.24 | beattie | kergoth: did you get a chance to send that email? |
| 16:02.31 | Twiun | hey beattie |
| 16:02.37 | treke | makes merging a lot simpler |
| 16:02.40 | beattie | Twiun: het |
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| 16:02.54 | Twiun | treke: so how often do you bk pull? |
| 16:03.05 | treke | Twiun: every couple of days |
| 16:03.12 | Twiun | ljp_work: you got the job? |
| 16:03.18 | treke | if not more often |
| 16:03.43 | Twiun | treke: don't you find it annoying to have to check in all yout files? |
| 16:04.04 | ljp_work | Twiun: :D |
| 16:04.18 | treke | Twiun: not particularly. usually I have files to check in by then |
| 16:04.44 | kergoth | keep a seperate cloned tree for handling push/pulls from upstream |
| 16:04.45 | Twiun | ljp_work: You realise I expect you to make Qt release qtawt under the OSS :) |
| 16:04.47 | kergoth | a 'gatekeeper' |
| 16:04.51 | kergoth | you dont do changes in that tree |
| 16:04.53 | ljp_work | who me? |
| 16:05.07 | ljp_work | I'll see what I can do |
| 16:05.08 | kergoth | then make the gatekeeper the parent of the trees you actually do work in |
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| 16:05.12 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:05.14 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 16:05.27 | noda | What's new? :) |
| 16:05.29 | Twiun | ljp_work: as a member of the 'community' I'd love being able to interface to qtopia without hacking propriery code :) |
| 16:05.46 | chouimat | hey noda |
| 16:05.50 | Twiun | noda: got that 3C1 driver ready yet? |
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| 16:06.03 | Twiun | ljp_work: using java of course |
| 16:06.15 | noda | Twiun: Heh, school ends in 3 weeks and then I've got a contract and I really oughta do some more stuff for oz.org. But the 3C1 isn't off my plate... |
| 16:06.27 | chouimat | crisse de grippe du tabarnack |
| 16:06.32 | noda | Though I've never coded any kernel drivers before. I figure it can't be more than a bit of a hack of the existing driver |
| 16:06.37 | Twiun | noda: did you take a quick look at the docs I sent you? |
| 16:06.42 | noda | Twiun: Certainly did :) |
| 16:06.48 | Twiun | noda: any use? |
| 16:06.55 | noda | Twiun: I barely understand but they're certainly exactly what's needed :) |
| 16:07.12 | Twiun | noda: Cool :) I'm glad I got those before the 3Com guy clammed up |
| 16:07.24 | noda | Twiun: Yeah, thank you! :) |
| 16:07.44 | Twiun | noda: I uttered the words "open source" and he said... 'erm, no more comments' |
| 16:07.46 | noda | Twiun: Just to make sure: That url will stay up for a while, right? I don't want to say to myself "Yay, I'll start coding now!" and see that those specs disappear :P |
| 16:07.50 | noda | lol |
| 16:08.31 | Twiun | noda: Sure - I can mail them too if you want, it's probably best to have copies of that stuff around |
| 16:08.39 | noda | Twiun: Yeah, I'll download the docs now :) |
| 16:08.46 | noda | I'm such a procrastinator :P |
| 16:09.04 | Twiun | noda: you're talking to a fellow world record holder there :) |
| 16:09.10 | noda | :) |
| 16:09.21 | treke | I'll get the world record one of these days |
| 16:09.27 | noda | Got it :) |
| 16:09.32 | Twiun | noda: talking of procrastination, do you have a wiki'd todo list anywhere? |
| 16:10.07 | noda | Twiun: No, I oughta do that but oz.org has no wiki. http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/TODO |
| 16:10.25 | noda | Just mail me any additions, but I dunno if you'll have the patience to read all the way to the bottom :P |
| 16:10.31 | noda | I also have to put in some kind of "device" system |
| 16:10.52 | chouimat | hmmmm rien de teel que de repondre tout nu a des temoins de jehova .... |
| 16:10.58 | Twiun | noda: just read it all :) |
| 16:11.05 | noda | ROFL |
| 16:11.05 | Twiun | chouimat: haha |
| 16:11.28 | Twiun | noda: ok, I'll send a few ideas my snail email |
| 16:11.43 | chouimat | noda: et de prendre une voix de gay pis dde dire " Il a enfin realiser mes prieress" :) |
| 16:11.59 | noda | chouimat: Did you actually do this? |
| 16:12.04 | noda | Twiun: Thanks :) |
| 16:12.08 | chouimat | noda: about 10 minutes ago :) |
| 16:12.09 | noda | Twiun: Actually, hell, just commit to CVS :) |
| 16:12.19 | Twiun | noda: hehehe |
| 16:12.30 | noda | Twiun: cvs.sourceforge.net, module oz_website :) |
| 16:12.49 | noda | Speaking of which, there's an openzaurus-cvs mailing list somewhere, isn't there? I should subscribe to it (though I think I may be the only one ever doing commits) |
| 16:13.06 | Twiun | noda: will do |
| 16:13.35 | jespah | Has anyone here managed to get a working emulator installed on the Z/qtopia? |
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| 16:14.00 | ljp_work | emulator? of what? |
| 16:14.14 | jespah | Games |
| 16:14.25 | noda | jespah: There's a game boy emulator... |
| 16:14.30 | treke | yes there are lots of things that emulate games |
| 16:14.45 | treke | try all of the game emulators at eongames.com |
| 16:14.47 | jespah | That you know works? |
| 16:15.01 | jespah | Ive been trying emulators all day, its hard finding one that works |
| 16:15.04 | noda | jespah: I've played game boy on my Z. |
| 16:15.07 | noda | gnuboy or something |
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| 16:15.08 | jespah | treke: arent you clever ;) :P |
| 16:15.18 | kergoth | emulator of games? you dont emulate games. |
| 16:15.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:15.21 | jespah | ok, thanks noda |
| 16:15.22 | noda | Was playing Mario Land 2 |
| 16:15.53 | noda | The best emulator ever us ScummVM, but that only runs on picogui, which would be a huge pain to set up. |
| 16:16.05 | noda | Actually, I guess ScummVM isn't an emulator... |
| 16:16.30 | chouimat | noda: I can tell you they won't come again |
| 16:16.41 | scanline | ScummVM is just an SDL app, you should be able to compile it for Opie too |
| 16:17.05 | noda | chouimat: That is absolutely hilarious :) |
| 16:17.33 | chouimat | noda: and that work |
| 16:17.48 | noda | Ah. |
| 16:18.00 | noda | Actually, is picogui in a workable state right now? |
| 16:18.09 | chouimat | noda: they put the appartment or the house on their black list |
| 16:18.14 | noda | Heehee |
| 16:18.24 | noda | yeah, that'd do it :) |
| 16:18.39 | scanline | noda: the launcher's probably still broken.. I haven't tried it on the zaurus recently |
| 16:18.52 | noda | :) |
| 16:19.54 | scanline | heheh |
| 16:20.07 | scanline | my recent lack of motivation hasn't helped much, I'm sure |
| 16:20.58 | ljp_work | slackerz |
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| 16:21.38 | noda | ljp_work: I've been doing homework non-stop all of my 6-day holiday, and I've still got a huge presentation to finish for tomorrow, then a huge thing to hand in on Tuesday next week, plus I must do taxes... |
| 16:32.45 | Dessimat0r | Our holiday is 14 day ;) |
| 16:32.59 | Dessimat0r | but I'm ben working my arse off |
| 16:33.05 | Dessimat0r | doing coursework |
| 16:33.10 | noda | That's enormous |
| 16:33.10 | Dessimat0r | *ben = been |
| 16:33.17 | Dessimat0r | yup, 2 weeks |
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| 16:36.57 | ljp_work | try make -j64 |
| 16:37.23 | XavierXeon | i dont have that many cpus |
| 16:37.37 | ljp_work | so |
| 16:37.42 | ljp_work | try it anyway ;) |
| 16:41.57 | kergoth | mickeyl|balkon: k, new vera revision 3 ipks up, without pt 24, and with 16.. theres a -light package |
| 16:42.42 | ljp_work | what about 9pt |
| 16:43.11 | kergoth | bah |
| 16:43.22 | mickeyl|balkon | kergoth: great, thanks. |
| 16:43.34 | kergoth | np |
| 16:43.41 | kergoth | they're up on openzaurus.org/mirror with the rest |
| 16:43.53 | ljp_work | ok, how about 5.6 pt? |
| 16:44.19 | kergoth | oh, i enabled umsdos in our 2.4.6 kernel build |
| 16:44.23 | kergoth | so theres a umsdos-modules ipk now |
| 16:44.34 | kergoth | need to add /etc/filesystems though to ensure it gets loaded |
| 16:44.47 | kergoth | ljp_work: what? you're not going to be a smartass in AU? |
| 16:44.57 | ljp_work | we'll see... |
| 16:45.09 | ljp_work | 'probation' for 6 months |
| 16:47.27 | kergoth | screenshot applet's scap mode doesnt seem to work |
| 16:47.30 | kergoth | errors contacting handhelds.org |
| 16:47.33 | kergoth | they change the url or something? |
| 16:47.59 | ljp_work | maybe. I never tested that code. but sandman I guess got it working last |
| 16:48.11 | kergoth | k |
| 16:48.16 | tronical | ljp_work: congratulations!!! |
| 16:48.33 | mickeyl|balkon | kergoth: scap never worked for me on the Z, but always on the iPAQ !?? |
| 16:48.46 | mickeyl|balkon | maybe a bug in the model detection code |
| 16:48.46 | kergoth | thats a question? |
| 16:48.48 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:48.52 | mickeyl|balkon | not really |
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| 16:48.59 | mickeyl|balkon | just a 'D'Oh!' |
| 16:48.59 | mickeyl|balkon | :-D |
| 16:51.12 | mithro | bah! i wish i had more time |
| 16:52.13 | mithro | i've got like a 90% good keymap on my HD but i havn't had time to finish it yet... |
| 16:52.14 | kergoth | damn we saved a lotta space ditching 24, good call treke |
| 16:56.01 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.12 | kergoth | i need to figure out how to deal with multiple providers in image creation |
| 16:56.31 | kergoth | i.e. simpleinit and sysvinit both provide init, busybox depends on init, which will get installed? |
| 16:56.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:57.00 | pb_ | kergoth: heh, yes, we have had a variety of hilarious experiences with that kind of thing recently in familiar. |
| 16:57.49 | pb_ | seems that ipkg's behaviour has recently changed in some subtle way, so things that were previously working by luck suddenly started giving different (and worse) results. |
| 16:58.21 | kergoth | indeed, i just had simpleinit installed unconditionally, it didnt dump the multiple provider warning |
| 16:58.24 | kergoth | :\ |
| 17:01.05 | treke | hehe. |
| 17:02.03 | kergoth | hmm opinion. for handling of splitting a single ipk temp dir into multiple packages.. do we .. 1) use opie .control with Files:/fileIncludeMask: fields, 2) use debian packagename.files files, or 3) use ipkg-make-*-packages category_modules shell function calls |
| 17:02.41 | kergoth | i've gotten tired of seeing all 3 implementations floating aroudn OE/OZ packaging :) |
| 17:03.20 | treke | hehe |
| 17:03.48 | pb_ | kergoth: I guess (2) gets my vote. |
| 17:03.50 | kergoth | not to mention the 4th implementation, which is a ton of cp/mv's to do it manualyl |
| 17:03.53 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 17:04.14 | treke | bingo. |
| 17:04.18 | treke | the systemtime control is borked |
| 17:04.22 | kergoth | pb_: yeah, thats what i was leaning towards as well, only reason i like 3) is that it doesnt result in 50 different files, just one |
| 17:04.33 | kergoth | but thats a fairly minor concern, all things considered :) |
| 17:05.27 | ljp_work | hmmmm, TT has to retire my quote. bummer. :) |
| 17:05.34 | treke | ljp_work: why? |
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| 17:05.47 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah. (3) is nice for the case where you have a million packages that are all very similiar (ie control files can be generated with a simple sed script), like kernel modules, gtk image loaders, locales and what have you. But in the general case, you need a separate control file for each output package, and in that case you may as well have a separate .files. |
| 17:06.45 | kergoth | pb_: yeah, exactly. what i want to see, is a ipk creation tool that for all intents and purposes has 'inheretence'.. that is, a template base control for which you ovverride individual fields in the individual package control files, in this way non deviating packages dont need a seperate .control |
| 17:06.53 | kergoth | pb_: which is how i implemented our ipkg-make-kernel-packages for oz :) |
| 17:07.21 | bipolar | hmm.... this is strange. theres a problem building libgcc1. I think that the makefile is fudged. |
| 17:07.26 | pb_ | kergoth: aha, sounds cool |
| 17:07.45 | kergoth | bipolar: i just built it.. |
| 17:08.04 | kergoth | bipolar: right now it depends on a gcc3 toolchain, it swipes it from it directly |
| 17:08.06 | bipolar | kergoth: well, perhaps I need to update my sources |
| 17:08.11 | kergoth | bipolar: unless you want to do a gcc build just to get libgcc :) |
| 17:08.29 | treke | kergoth: opie/noncore/settings/netsystemtime/opie-systemtime.control nneds a Package: field added to it. currently it just has Packagename: |
| 17:08.36 | bipolar | kergoth: I have it set to build gcc3 cross compiler |
| 17:08.43 | kergoth | Packagename:? weird |
| 17:08.46 | treke | hrm, maybe I can fix that |
| 17:09.07 | treke | forgot I had write access to noncore |
| 17:09.10 | kergoth | treke: mkipks shouldnt require it, it'll add it on its own based on the control filename if its missing |
| 17:09.21 | kergoth | bipolar: did you build using make SUBDIRS=packages/cross-gcc/3.2? |
| 17:09.29 | treke | kergoth: that seems to be what mkipks is complaining about |
| 17:10.00 | bipolar | kergoth: I think so, IIRC |
| 17:10.11 | treke | GSG: . opie-systemtime |
| 17:10.11 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah, thats built already |
| 17:10.13 | kergoth | treke: ah, found it, mkipks was grepping for ^Package, not ^Package: |
| 17:10.13 | treke | *** Error: CONTROL/control is missing field Package |
| 17:10.13 | treke | ipkg-build: Please fix the above errors and try again. |
| 17:10.15 | kergoth | treke: so it thought the field existed already :) |
| 17:10.23 | kergoth | treke: there. cvs up your mkipks and try again |
| 17:10.49 | kergoth | bipolar: then libgcc should work. whats the error? |
| 17:10.59 | bipolar | make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/packages/libgcc1' |
| 17:11.00 | bipolar | make[1]: arm-linux-gcc: Command not found << repeated 8 times |
| 17:11.02 | bipolar | rm -rf /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/build/ipktemp/libgcc1--1 |
| 17:11.02 | bipolar | mkdir -p /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/build/ipktemp/libgcc1--1/CONTROL |
| 17:11.02 | bipolar | mkdir -p /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/build/ipktemp/libgcc1--1/lib |
| 17:11.02 | bipolar | cp --dereference /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/build/ipktemp/libgcc1--1/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 17:11.09 | bipolar | cp: missing destination file |
| 17:11.10 | bipolar | Try `cp --help' for more information. |
| 17:11.10 | bipolar | make[1]: *** [/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/build/ipktemp/libgcc1--1/CONTROL/control] Error 1 |
| 17:11.11 | ljp_work | treke: because I am going to be working for them ;) |
| 17:12.00 | bipolar | ljp_work: is it offical? are you hired? |
| 17:12.04 | kergoth | bipolar: 2 problems. Version isnt defined, the PATH isnt including CROSS_DIR |
| 17:13.46 | bipolar | kergoth: the Version is defined by pulling the version number from the cc compiler. |
| 17:14.37 | bipolar | strange |
| 17:14.40 | kergoth | bipolar: so the first problem is an effect, not a cause. something is up with the PATH as set by buildroot. did glibc compile fine? |
| 17:14.48 | kergoth | bipolar: if so, the path was indeed set right.. |
| 17:14.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:14.55 | ljp_work | bipolar: well, not official in the sense that I signed contracts, but they offered, and I can't see me refusing it. |
| 17:15.01 | kergoth | oh, i can tell you whats going on |
| 17:15.19 | kergoth | though i dont know why i didnt see it here |
| 17:15.23 | ljp_work | bipolar: "Qtopia Community Manager/Liason" |
| 17:15.33 | kergoth | bipolar: move the Version and gccversion lines below the Vars.make include |
| 17:15.34 | kergoth | bipolar: :) |
| 17:16.15 | kergoth | err |
| 17:16.18 | kergoth | no, those vars are =, not := |
| 17:16.19 | kergoth | it should work |
| 17:16.19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:16.36 | kergoth | ahh |
| 17:16.40 | kergoth | found it |
| 17:16.57 | kergoth | its due to Version being in the rootinstall stamp/target |
| 17:17.18 | kergoth | makefile vars in targets get parsed immediately, so its being hit before our include line |
| 17:18.09 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 17:28.19 | bipolar | kergoth: whats the fix? :) |
| 17:35.35 | kergoth | bipolar: bk pull |
| 17:35.44 | kergoth | bipolar: that should take care of it |
| 17:36.20 | bipolar | kergoth: Thanks. I'll pull as soon as it's unlocked. ;) |
| 17:36.24 | kergoth | np |
| 17:38.07 | bipolar | kergoth: BTW, do you have a gcc3 image built? :) |
| 17:38.08 | bipolar | heh |
| 17:38.15 | kergoth | not for 5500 |
| 17:38.26 | bipolar | pffft.... ha |
| 17:41.26 | kergoth | i really hope i didnt just find another ipkg bug |
| 17:41.45 | bipolar | kergoth: there are many more where that one came from, I'm sure. |
| 17:42.34 | kergoth | ah, yep, i did |
| 17:42.44 | bipolar | kergoth: what is it? |
| 17:42.52 | kergoth | havent isolated it completely |
| 17:42.54 | kergoth | working on it |
| 17:43.04 | bipolar | ipkg needs about 1,000,000 monkeys to recode it. |
| 17:43.05 | kergoth | it says it cant satisfy a dep for qpf-bitstream-vera, yet its in the Packages file |
| 17:43.08 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 17:43.46 | Dessimat0r | ipkg works much faster than it did a while ago ;) |
| 17:43.56 | kergoth | yeah, too bad its still broken |
| 17:43.59 | Dessimat0r | :/ |
| 17:44.07 | kergoth | okay, two bugs. 1) its misreporting a dep to the user |
| 17:44.15 | kergoth | 2) its not seeing a dep as satisfied when it is |
| 17:44.35 | Dessimat0r | I see that the verbrosity was removed ;) |
| 17:44.36 | bipolar | seesh |
| 17:44.41 | bipolar | sheesh, even |
| 17:45.22 | kergoth | bipolar: its not hard to remember |
| 17:45.31 | kergoth | bipolar: every sharp rom on 5500, 5000d, c700, 5600, b500 uses it |
| 17:45.33 | kergoth | bipolar: hehe |
| 17:45.35 | bipolar | kergoth: hard to forget L) |
| 17:45.39 | bipolar | ouch! |
| 17:45.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:45.52 | bipolar | I did forget that sharp uses that pos. |
| 17:46.12 | kergoth | eek, -V 5 is TOO verbose |
| 17:48.09 | bipolar | kergoth: I just ran a bk pull, and then mrproperd libgcc1. Is there anything else I have to rebuild to get this error to go away? |
| 17:48.21 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:48.33 | bipolar | well... it's still there. :p |
| 17:48.41 | kergoth | works just great here. |
| 17:48.49 | bipolar | thats nice to know... heh |
| 17:48.58 | kergoth | well if i cant reproduce it, i cant fix it. |
| 17:49.11 | bipolar | hmmm... let me look into it more |
| 17:49.11 | kergoth | can you get me ssh access to the box? |
| 17:49.14 | kergoth | k |
| 17:49.26 | bipolar | kergoth: actualy, yeah. I could do that. |
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| 17:53.58 | spooner | weatherbot: CYYC |
| 17:53.59 | Neo|Work | Gentoo == worlds slowest linux install. :) |
| 17:55.27 | spooner | weatherbot: EGLL |
| 17:55.38 | spooner | weatherbot: egll |
| 17:55.58 | spooner | weatherbot:EGLL |
| 17:56.05 | spooner | bugger |
| 17:56.08 | kergoth | spooner: stop spamming the channel |
| 17:56.11 | kergoth | spooner: /msg is your firend |
| 17:56.14 | kergoth | friend rather |
| 17:56.45 | chouimat | kergoth: weatherbot had some problem here and I don't know why |
| 17:56.46 | spooner | sorry i saw this work the other day and was curious |
| 17:57.48 | kergoth | i think we should enable either big busy or blinking busy indicator by default in opie |
| 17:57.52 | kergoth | give the user more feedback |
| 17:58.11 | treke | agreed |
| 17:58.54 | spooner | is there a FAQ in the "Packages" file in the feeds? |
| 17:59.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:59.13 | treke | huh? |
| 17:59.14 | kergoth | no, the faq isnt avaialble as ani pk |
| 17:59.15 | kergoth | ipk |
| 17:59.17 | kergoth | if thats what you mean |
| 17:59.53 | Neo|Work | http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu//distfiles/courie32.exe <-- wtf is that? |
| 18:00.04 | Neo|Work | exe? like windows font or something? |
| 18:00.04 | treke | Neo|Work: font? |
| 18:00.13 | kergoth | did anyone ever figure out how to keep cardmon from stealing the damn keyboard focus? |
| 18:00.17 | kergoth | really pisses me off |
| 18:00.28 | Neo|Work | it's compiling X so it'd make sense |
| 18:00.40 | Neo|Work | this box is fast - still takes forever. but it's fun. :) |
| 18:00.46 | treke | "fun" |
| 18:00.49 | Neo|Work | gotta love a linux install without, well, installation apps |
| 18:01.07 | spooner | i i ment what is the format for writing a packages file |
| 18:01.07 | Neo|Work | treke: it got a bit tiresome last night when I waited for bootstrap to finish |
| 18:01.13 | Neo|Work | so I could do stage 2 and go to bed |
| 18:01.19 | Neo|Work | ended up going to bed at like 4am |
| 18:01.23 | treke | spooner: dont. use the tools in the ipkg cvs |
| 18:01.30 | kergoth | spooner: handhelds.org, ipkg-utils cvs module |
| 18:01.49 | spooner | ok |
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| 18:05.00 | treke | hehe. never should have tried flashing my production ipaq :) |
| 18:05.28 | kergoth | treke: probs? |
| 18:05.28 | ljp_work | borked? |
| 18:05.45 | treke | I flashed a borked image :) |
| 18:06.21 | ljp_work | doh |
| 18:08.37 | kergoth | can someone tell me exactly what the diff is between 'apps' and 'tools' in opie cvs? |
| 18:08.45 | kergoth | seems like a completely pointless discrepency |
| 18:10.48 | ljp_work | dont know. I was not in that discussion |
| 18:11.07 | ljp_work | ask zecke, or harlekin |
| 18:11.13 | kergoth | considering both tools and |
| 18:11.17 | kergoth | 'apps' end up in the 'apps' tab |
| 18:11.25 | kergoth | i say its unnecessary |
| 18:11.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:12.29 | ljp_work | true, but if you move it, wont we lose the cvs history? |
| 18:12.39 | treke | cd /var/cvs/foo |
| 18:12.47 | treke | mv utils/* apps/* |
| 18:13.15 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:13.21 | treke | or something like that |
| 18:13.34 | treke | bk mv utils/* apps/ |
| 18:13.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:13.49 | kergoth | ljp_work: the 'clock' app on the sharp c700 rom has a clock background |
| 18:13.57 | kergoth | ljp_work: a silver round frame to the clock |
| 18:14.08 | kergoth | ljp_work: i have the .png, feel like adding it to opie's? |
| 18:14.19 | ljp_work | hmmm, |
| 18:14.26 | kergoth | looks nicer than without it |
| 18:14.37 | kergoth | i havent fucked with QFrame much or id just do it quick |
| 18:14.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:14.44 | ljp_work | I can try. sandman is the one that redid clock face |
| 18:15.14 | kergoth | well, you just need to draw a background. the code that draws the hands neednt chagne |
| 18:15.16 | ljp_work | but if its look sbetter, sure |
| 18:16.51 | ljp_work | I can just imagine getting to Sydney, "sorry, mate, we cant let ya in 'ere" |
| 18:17.10 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 18:17.29 | treke | it was a freaking prison colony, how selective can they be |
| 18:18.46 | ljp_work | heh, Qtopia's FAQ has two entries to it |
| 18:19.35 | treke | and none of them are ever asked |
| 18:20.09 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 18:20.47 | Neo|Work | so.. is gentoo like ignoring my cflags for certain things? (gcc, XFree86...)? |
| 18:20.49 | Neo|Work | glibc.. |
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| 18:24.32 | Neo|Work | and if I should use the 3com card or the nvidia card |
| 18:29.29 | ivan | the 3com should work best |
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| 18:29.50 | ivan | nvidia makes ethernet cards? |
| 18:30.07 | treke | no |
| 18:31.36 | Neo|Work | it's part of the nforce2 chipset |
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| 18:33.03 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.03 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.03 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.34 | treke | hmmm. patcher doesnt like the output of cvsdiff |
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| 18:37.18 | kergoth | treke: cvs diff -u.. make sure its unified |
| 18:37.23 | treke | ah |
| 18:38.03 | ljp_work | it's been raining for two days now |
| 18:38.08 | treke | actually it is unified |
| 18:38.19 | kergoth | dunno then |
| 18:38.44 | treke | It cant find the file to patch. I bet it doesnt like the format of the cvsdiff headers |
| 18:39.15 | treke | then I can refresh it into a proper patch |
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| 18:55.16 | pHluid | People who post to the mailing list in HTML should be beaten. |
| 18:58.29 | chouimat | ~lart pHluid |
| 19:02.01 | troffasky | beaten? Eaten, shurely... |
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| 19:04.34 | bipolar | stupid cable modem... |
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| 19:15.41 | SuKoShi | hi |
| 19:17.03 | masticator | sup dudes. |
| 19:17.08 | masticator | hey suko. |
| 19:18.10 | Neo|Work | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/30324.html |
| 19:18.13 | Neo|Work | man that is so sad |
| 19:18.21 | Neo|Work | masticator: got my new box put together |
| 19:19.05 | masticator | NeoTron: cool. |
| 19:19.27 | Neo|Work | installing the worlds slowst-to-install linux dist right now |
| 19:19.52 | pHluid | Gentoo? |
| 19:19.55 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 19:20.10 | kergoth | yo masticator |
| 19:20.11 | Neo|Work | I dunno if I'll end up being patient enough for it.. |
| 19:21.51 | pHluid | Well what kind of pen is it |
| 19:22.00 | pHluid | I mean does it have a gel grip or anything? |
| 19:23.56 | Neo|Work | ahjaha |
| 19:24.00 | Neo|Work | ip address conflict |
| 19:24.45 | Neo|Work | I don't understand how that happens darn it |
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| 19:27.36 | Smokie | i am trying to get NAT with zuaurs working, but fail. The arp request deosn´t goes out of my client.Can someon help me on ? |
| 19:30.50 | Neo|Work | oh fucking hell |
| 19:30.57 | kergoth | problems? |
| 19:31.46 | Neo|Work | well, it got the wrong IP from dhcp |
| 19:31.50 | Neo|Work | god knows why the fuck that is |
| 19:32.33 | Neo|Work | in either case accidently run dhcpcd again on eth0 rather than renew |
| 19:32.36 | Neo|Work | I didn't mean to (TM) |
| 19:33.06 | Neo|Work | so now it has no IP |
| 19:33.56 | Neo|Work | which means, of course, that I cant haxor it from here |
| 19:34.07 | kergoth | doh |
| 19:34.09 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 19:35.58 | pHluid | http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,58600,00.html |
| 19:36.00 | pHluid | scary. |
| 19:36.07 | SuKoShi | kergoth: when do you think the mediaplayer will work fine? |
| 19:37.39 | armenb | incidently, kergoth - you mentioned you got a 2.4.18 sd module |
| 19:37.50 | armenb | can you use a 2.4.18 module with a 2.4.19* kernel? |
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| 19:37.59 | kergoth | armenb: yes, it will work |
| 19:38.09 | Neo|Work | now I wish the second nic was installed and working too. :) |
| 19:38.39 | armenb | cool...i look forward to it. |
| 19:39.23 | djr|w | im kinda bored... i want more stuff in the feed :( and more changes... it feels so slow and boring when nothing gets done on the user-end... i wanna develop... that way ill feel like something is getting done |
| 19:39.29 | djr|w | or give me unstable/testing/whatever to play with |
| 19:39.30 | djr|w | ehehe |
| 19:39.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:40.00 | djr|w | for the Z |
| 19:40.01 | djr|w | i mean |
| 19:40.43 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:40.49 | kergoth | if you wnat to use unstable, use unstable |
| 19:41.02 | djr|w | i do, but nothings been updated in unstable |
| 19:41.12 | kergoth | are you on crack? |
| 19:41.17 | kergoth | it was just updated like 2 days ago |
| 19:42.09 | kergoth | heh |
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| 19:44.33 | djr|w | wt |
| 19:44.36 | djr|w | hmm |
| 19:44.52 | djr|w | well i dont think i checked int he last two days cause i gave up cause it wasnt getting updated frequently, ehehe |
| 19:44.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:45.00 | djr|w | is there a feed changelog? or was there anything added? |
| 19:45.06 | SuKoShi | djr|w: clear your browser cache ;) |
| 19:45.07 | kergoth | opie was updated |
| 19:45.13 | kergoth | read the bk logs |
| 19:45.19 | kergoth | openzaurus.bkbits.net tells you everything we do |
| 19:45.28 | djr|w | k |
| 19:46.02 | bipolar | kergoth: are you in the progress of pulling out modules into seperate packages? |
| 19:46.46 | bipolar | kergoth: I just tried to build my gcc3 image, and I have a dependancy problem in that kernel-modules depends on vfat-modules. |
| 19:46.59 | bipolar | kergoth: and it can't find vfat-modules. |
| 19:48.40 | kergoth | bipolar: i didnt add vfat. kernel-modules only contains the categories for which modules exist |
| 19:48.47 | kergoth | bipolar: i did add umsdos, but not vfat |
| 19:49.14 | bipolar | kergoth: so this is a bad dependancy, and I should find the control file and remove that dependancy? |
| 19:49.36 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:49.37 | kergoth | uh |
| 19:49.44 | kergoth | kenrel-modules deps are autogenerated |
| 19:49.52 | kergoth | based on waht *-modules packages were created by ipkg-make-kernel-modules |
| 19:50.15 | bipolar | I must be missing something. what the hell happened? |
| 19:50.28 | kergoth | dont know, i'll look into it later |
| 19:50.37 | kergoth | it shouldnt add something to deps unless that category had files |
| 19:50.45 | kergoth | and if that category has files, an ipk will be created |
| 19:50.58 | bipolar | there are a lot of *-modules ipks, but none are vfat. Could it be misnaming msdos-modules? |
| 19:51.15 | kergoth | is there a msdos-modules? |
| 19:51.18 | bipolar | yes |
| 19:51.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:51.22 | kergoth | odd |
| 19:51.23 | kergoth | could be |
| 19:53.55 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm so close to building a gcc3 image. Is there a quick workaround for this I can use until the problem is solved? |
| 19:54.16 | kergoth | yeah, we call it -force-depends |
| 19:54.19 | kergoth | heh |
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| 19:57.43 | bipolar | kergoth: I edited the damned Packages file and removed the referances to vfat-modules. And it's msdos and umsdos-modules that were dependant on it in the Packages file. |
| 19:57.53 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:57.55 | bipolar | I'll test this image now. |
| 19:57.57 | bipolar | heh |
| 19:59.32 | kergoth | opie-clock with a background works. need to fix the erase of hte previous hand location though |
| 19:59.46 | kergoth | it was drawing a white line over teh black, i need to draw those pixels of the background back again |
| 19:59.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02.01 | treke | grrr. this is what I was afraid of with the public opie-devel |
| 20:02.12 | treke | suddenly it turns into a second support list |
| 20:02.31 | kergoth | yep, someone has to warn those peopel |
| 20:02.36 | kergoth | or make the list moderated |
| 20:03.33 | kergoth | hmm, two opie cvs updates going on the same time |
| 20:03.37 | kergoth | waiting for my own lock |
| 20:04.04 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.19 | treke | Once I do a bit more testing I'll submit my opie-sudo patch to the list |
| 20:05.00 | treke | I think I have commit access for most of it, but I'd rather get some approval since it touches a bunch of apps |
| 20:05.22 | kergoth | yeah, good idea |
| 20:06.18 | kergoth | treke: looks like the new method of building opie ipks is working |
| 20:06.25 | kergoth | treke: strips too |
| 20:06.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:06.35 | kergoth | will push it in abit |
| 20:07.34 | treke | cool |
| 20:07.41 | Neo|Work | gngn |
| 20:07.50 | kergoth | gngn? |
| 20:07.56 | Neo|Work | car service price just jumped from 575 to 860 something.. |
| 20:08.13 | Neo|Work | need new front brakes and something else too |
| 20:08.19 | bipolar | hey! My package at least reaches init... I hope it boots opie. :p |
| 20:09.05 | treke | bipolar: eh. it wont |
| 20:09.33 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:09.35 | bipolar | treke: why the hell not?! :) |
| 20:09.42 | kergoth | murphy. |
| 20:09.50 | treke | cant we kill that fucker? |
| 20:09.59 | bipolar | treke: if it doesn't, I'm blaming *you* now. |
| 20:10.00 | bipolar | hehe |
| 20:11.11 | bipolar | it doesn't boot |
| 20:12.15 | bipolar | it would help if /etc/init.d/opie existed |
| 20:12.19 | bipolar | sheesh |
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| 20:12.21 | SuKoShi | Neo|Work: i had a tyre which exploded on the motorway last saturday |
| 20:12.23 | kergoth | that usually does help, yeah |
| 20:12.29 | kergoth | bipolar: why dont you just select task-opie-minimal? |
| 20:12.36 | kergoth | bipolar: its alot easier, considering ipkg follows deps in image creation |
| 20:12.43 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah... that would help :) |
| 20:12.50 | djr|w | heh, im still saving money to fix my transmission |
| 20:12.51 | djr|w | :( |
| 20:13.49 | bipolar | shit. |
| 20:14.02 | bipolar | image_menuconfig does not show task-opie-minimal |
| 20:14.10 | bipolar | just task-essentail |
| 20:14.15 | treke | are you sure opie was built? |
| 20:14.17 | bipolar | essential, even |
| 20:14.34 | bipolar | yeah... that would help. fucker |
| 20:14.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14.42 | kergoth | ~lart bipolar |
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| 20:18.35 | Neo|Work | SuKoShi: sounds like antifun |
| 20:18.57 | SuKoShi | Neo|Work: no injuries, luckily, except on my bank account |
| 20:19.34 | SuKoShi | Neo|Work: also because my car is very solid... |
| 20:20.42 | bipolar | kergoth: opie requires vera qpf fonts, thats why it didn't build. now there is an error in that makefile I'm trying to find |
| 20:20.51 | kergoth | bipolar: yes, it does. |
| 20:21.21 | kergoth | bipolar: remove the cat postinst in the binary target of the vera qpf makefile |
| 20:21.21 | kergoth | fixed here, just not pushed |
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| 20:22.24 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks |
| 20:22.36 | kergoth | np |
| 20:22.45 | bipolar | oops... one more |
| 20:22.48 | bipolar | mkipkg: cannot find /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-gcc3/packages/vera-fonts-qpf/qpf-bitstream-vera.control, exiting... |
| 20:22.57 | treke | now we just need to dump the default theme and color scheme |
| 20:22.58 | kergoth | you didnt bk -r edit -q or bk -r co -q |
| 20:23.00 | kergoth | after your pull. |
| 20:23.43 | treke | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28581.png <-- who's bright idea was that popup? |
| 20:23.57 | bipolar | heh... I didn't know I had to do that after every pull. I bet I could have saved myself a lot of hassle the past couple of weeks if I had. :) |
| 20:24.04 | pb_ | treke: heh |
| 20:24.10 | ivan | treke: safe for dumb parents protecting kids from the evils of the internet? |
| 20:24.22 | treke | ivan: huh? |
| 20:24.33 | ivan | heh, nevermind |
| 20:24.58 | ivan | treke: i thought it was some popup on a webpage |
| 20:27.07 | Neo|Work | at some poine I need to setup sp my outgoing mailserver forwards to my non-cable hosted server |
| 20:27.17 | Neo|Work | since it seems popular to block cable now |
| 20:27.22 | Neo|Work | (damn annoying and lame if you ask me) |
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| 20:27.58 | treke | dsl seems to have gotten even lamer |
| 20:28.14 | treke | it looks like they block all outgoing smtp traffic but their mail server |
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| 20:29.06 | Freddie | hello everyone! :) |
| 20:29.10 | Freddie | good day to y'all |
| 20:29.10 | treke | kergoth: fuck. now the hardware buttons wont work when logged in as root |
| 20:29.23 | treke | er not logged in as root |
| 20:29.35 | Freddie | treke: I was gonna say, that sounded bass ackwards to me |
| 20:29.36 | Freddie | :) |
| 20:29.43 | kergoth | treke: hmm |
| 20:29.49 | Neo|Work | treke: that is something entirely different |
| 20:29.51 | treke | wonder how I fixed this last tome |
| 20:29.52 | kergoth | treke: thats odd, you should be getting the keycodes regardless |
| 20:30.10 | treke | Neo|Work: except they also wont let you send mail through their server with a different From |
| 20:30.14 | Freddie | treke: What is this on? Different hardware? New build of OZ? |
| 20:30.15 | Neo|Work | I'm talking about AOL throwing mails away that are sent from known cable/dsl networks |
| 20:30.20 | treke | yeah |
| 20:30.33 | treke | Freddie: New build |
| 20:30.41 | Freddie | cool |
| 20:34.21 | treke | interesting |
| 20:34.29 | treke | it only occurs when autologin is used |
| 20:34.39 | kergoth | really? |
| 20:34.41 | treke | yeah |
| 20:34.42 | kergoth | manually logging in it works? |
| 20:34.45 | kergoth | thats messed up |
| 20:34.50 | treke | if I manually log in, the buttons are fine |
| 20:35.06 | kergoth | oh sandman.. where areee you |
| 20:35.08 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 20:35.10 | treke | kergoth: if you get a chance, can you try that on the Z? |
| 20:35.14 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:35.31 | treke | all my patch touces is the path to the config file |
| 20:35.52 | treke | and if qtopia is sufficiently screwed up that that causes the bug, I'm switching to gpe |
| 20:36.43 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:38.45 | bipolar | I wonder how much of the TT horror called qtopia is left in opie |
| 20:38.53 | treke | lots |
| 20:39.01 | bipolar | *shutter* |
| 20:39.05 | treke | libqpe is still mostly trolltech's code |
| 20:39.52 | Smokie | is there a imap mailclient for OZ ? |
| 20:40.02 | treke | not really |
| 20:40.18 | Smokie | grml |
| 20:41.24 | treke | there is opie-mail2 |
| 20:41.37 | treke | but it is more likely to shit itself than work on your imap server |
| 20:41.54 | Smokie | lol |
| 20:42.44 | Smokie | so i need a pop server. Even its better for MailsToGo :) |
| 20:43.41 | bipolar | kergoth: a 'make opie_menuconfig' would be really useful. |
| 20:46.32 | kergoth | bipolar: better, integrate opie config into our config system |
| 20:46.38 | kergoth | bipolar: which is the plan |
| 20:46.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:48.49 | bipolar | nod |
| 20:59.10 | ljp | well, rest assured, qtopia will get better... now... |
| 21:01.18 | bipolar | ljp: heh |
| 21:01.47 | bipolar | ljp: does TT make money off qtopia licencing or just qt/e? |
| 21:01.54 | ljp | both |
| 21:02.32 | treke | s/make/ try to make// |
| 21:02.41 | ljp | get this... qtopia is developed in Au, while qt/e is done in No. |
| 21:03.17 | bipolar | :\ |
| 21:04.05 | ljp | I thought that odd |
| 21:04.17 | bipolar | ljp: I guess thats why TT doesn't just work with Opie instead of keeping Qtopia going. |
| 21:05.21 | ljp | no, licensing issues |
| 21:05.37 | bipolar | ljp: what does qtopia have that opie doesn't? |
| 21:05.58 | mandrake | it can't be commercially licensed? |
| 21:06.00 | ljp | ability for the Qt license. |
| 21:06.01 | kergoth | bipolar: it has a lib thats qpl/gpl |
| 21:06.07 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:06.19 | absentia2 | re |
| 21:06.37 | bipolar | ljp: thats what I meant. They can't make money licensing opie. |
| 21:06.47 | absentia2 | hey ljp |
| 21:07.11 | absentia2 | where does one get the sources for the things that are made into .ipkgs? that is, I don't have a buildroot.. I want to get the source for, say, backgammon, and put it on my c700 |
| 21:07.14 | absentia2 | and hack on it there |
| 21:07.25 | kergoth | absentia2: grab opie from cvs. opie.handhelds.org |
| 21:07.25 | ljp | Riker was asking about Opie on some device, but it's not lgpl, so he cant use it |
| 21:07.36 | absentia2 | backgammon is part of that ? |
| 21:07.38 | absentia2 | hey kergoth |
| 21:07.40 | kergoth | absentia2: yes. |
| 21:07.43 | absentia2 | I was showing off OZ at work today |
| 21:07.46 | absentia2 | everyone loves the c700 |
| 21:07.50 | absentia2 | kergoth: k |
| 21:08.05 | absentia2 | thx |
| 21:08.07 | Smokie | how can i reconnect the usb network at zaurus side ? |
| 21:08.17 | kergoth | Smokie: ifdown usbd0; ifup usbd0; |
| 21:08.18 | absentia2 | is there an aim for oz ? |
| 21:08.23 | kergoth | an aim? |
| 21:08.30 | kergoth | aol instant messenger? |
| 21:08.38 | absentia2 | ya |
| 21:08.41 | treke | absentia2: go look |
| 21:08.41 | kergoth | get kinkattalite. you'll need to build it with gcc3 if your'e using a gcc3 image |
| 21:08.48 | ljp | kergoth: you added the clock background you talked about? |
| 21:08.51 | absentia2 | ok |
| 21:08.52 | absentia2 | will do |
| 21:09.08 | kergoth | ljp: yeah. when it erases the previous hand it overwrites some background pixels with white though. hehe. |
| 21:09.15 | bipolar | ok... time to go home. Later all! |
| 21:09.23 | absentia2 | I noticed that the launcher... doedsn't seem to be clear about how to set a background image.. and if you go there, you will wipe out the default background |
| 21:09.28 | absentia2 | if you hit ok instead of cancel |
| 21:09.31 | bipolar | treke: thats why opie was made |
| 21:09.35 | treke | bipolar: yup |
| 21:09.40 | kergoth | absentia2: doesnt seem to be clear? how? |
| 21:09.53 | absentia2 | well, I couldn't figure out how to set a background |
| 21:09.53 | absentia2 | :-> |
| 21:09.56 | treke | If they really wanted to work together on one product with opie, I bet the licensing could be worked out |
| 21:10.00 | kergoth | absentia2: its clear enough to me, the bug is that it defaults to striped or whatever in launcher settings even though the launcher itself defaults to a background |
| 21:10.15 | absentia2 | ker: one last quick question.. when you get the feed, all those apps that are listed.. are the newer versions of is in the image, or the same thing? |
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| 21:10.30 | absentia2 | ker: I'll go try again |
| 21:10.37 | kergoth | absentia2: that feed has an updated opie that uses Bitstream Vera by default instead of Helvetica |
| 21:10.40 | bipolar | ljp: tell TT to just give up. Qtopia sucks, and they should just work with opie and sell support contracts for it. ;) |
| 21:10.50 | absentia2 | I mean |
| 21:10.53 | absentia2 | if I isntall image |
| 21:11.04 | absentia2 | is there any reason to install the aqpkg or ipkg fomr the feed? |
| 21:11.08 | absentia2 | is the date is the same as the image? |
| 21:11.19 | kergoth | uh, why dont you look for yourself. |
| 21:11.26 | kergoth | aqpkg tells you if an updated version of a package is available. |
| 21:11.27 | absentia2 | hehe |
| 21:11.29 | kergoth | not exactly rocket science |
| 21:11.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:11.38 | absentia2 | oh? |
| 21:11.44 | absentia2 | is that the little arrow in the circle? |
| 21:11.46 | kergoth | yes, the icon changes |
| 21:11.48 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:12.07 | absentia2 | ok, I managed to get the aqpkg in your image to work wigth my disk feed |
| 21:12.16 | bipolar | ibot: kergoths quote is it's not exactly rocket science |
| 21:12.16 | | bipolar: okay |
| 21:12.20 | bipolar | hrh |
| 21:12.22 | absentia2 | just hve to edit the ipkg.conf manually, then run update in the aqpkg every time its launched |
| 21:12.23 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:12.24 | absentia2 | then it seems to work |
| 21:12.26 | bipolar | heh, even |
| 21:13.25 | absentia2 | background is rules, solid or image... aha! :-) |
| 21:13.40 | absentia2 | I have my 640x480 image of bill's mug shot |
| 21:15.35 | bipolar | kergoth: I've got another depends error building an image. |
| 21:15.49 | treke | what this time? |
| 21:15.59 | bipolar | it's looking for qpf-bitstream-vera which does exist, but it can't find it. |
| 21:16.39 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:16.41 | kergoth | thats an ipkg bug |
| 21:16.43 | bipolar | I think there is a stamp or something I need to rm to get it to refresh it's list, but I don't remember it. |
| 21:16.47 | kergoth | remove qpf-bitstream-vera-light in output/ipks |
| 21:16.54 | kergoth | then itll work |
| 21:17.09 | treke | can vera-ligh substitute for vera? |
| 21:17.10 | Smokie | how can i reached tabbed commands in the terminal ? |
| 21:17.19 | SuKoShi | kergoth: found some stuff related to CTRL key + preempt |
| 21:17.19 | kergoth | Smokie: what? |
| 21:17.26 | kergoth | treke: light has only 8,10,12 sizes |
| 21:17.27 | bipolar | kergoth: strange |
| 21:17.28 | ljp | I dont feel like going back to work |
| 21:17.51 | treke | kergoth: right, but as far as ipkg is concerned, does it provide the right shit |
| 21:17.57 | Smokie | kergoth: i will get a command expanded with the tab button in the opi-terminal |
| 21:17.59 | treke | ljp: so, uhm, dont? |
| 21:18.05 | SuKoShi | kergoth: http://www002.upp.so-net.ne.jp/zry/Recommended/SLC700/kernel.html |
| 21:18.26 | _Psycho | heya every c700 lovers ! |
| 21:18.33 | bipolar | shit! I have a 20MB image |
| 21:18.35 | ljp | ya, I'd better use up my 'I'm the boss' time, while I'm still the boss of me |
| 21:18.43 | absentia2 | hiya |
| 21:18.45 | _Psycho | and heya the rest ;) |
| 21:18.45 | kergoth | treke: yeah it does |
| 21:18.52 | treke | kergoth: ok |
| 21:18.56 | kergoth | Smokie: what? |
| 21:18.59 | treke | so i can use light in my images |
| 21:19.08 | SuKoShi | _Psycho: Heya !! |
| 21:19.15 | bipolar | sheesh... opie is not stripped |
| 21:19.21 | kergoth | bipolar: yep |
| 21:19.22 | kergoth | bipolar: working on that now |
| 21:20.05 | bipolar | kergoth: thats ok. I just arm-linux-stripped them all |
| 21:20.53 | Smokie | kergoth: i write the beginning of a command, an tip the TABULATOR button. Opie terminal writes all possible commands. But how can i take one ? |
| 21:21.10 | kergoth | Smokie: uh, you type another letter |
| 21:21.17 | kergoth | Smokie: this has *absolutely* nothing to do with opie |
| 21:21.21 | kergoth | Smokie: this is how a linux terminal works |
| 21:22.28 | Smokie | kergoth: ohh, sry. a bit late for me :-( |
| 21:24.04 | bipolar | damn. I stripped all opie bins and my image is still 20MB. |
| 21:24.09 | kergoth | bipolar: dont forget teh libs |
| 21:24.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24.16 | kergoth | my image is 12 megs |
| 21:24.16 | bipolar | oh, yeah. |
| 21:26.00 | bipolar | hmmm... big diff |
| 21:26.04 | ljp | bipolar: but do NOT strip the kernel modules. :) |
| 21:26.14 | bipolar | heh... yeah. that would be bad |
| 21:26.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:26.54 | kergoth | i'll never live that down |
| 21:26.57 | bipolar | ok... whats going on. My image is still 20MB |
| 21:27.12 | kergoth | du is your friend |
| 21:27.27 | bipolar | I wonder if it's making new ipks when I tell it to |
| 21:27.37 | kergoth | rm stamps/.opie.ipk |
| 21:27.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:27.46 | SuKoShi | kergoth: i've found some link where a japanese guy said he tried successfully |
| 21:27.49 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah, thats what I'm doing |
| 21:27.55 | SuKoShi | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/preempt-kernel/v2.4/preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.18-5.patch |
| 21:27.57 | ljp | kergoth: the important thing is, that you'll never do it again! |
| 21:28.44 | treke | kergoth: you stripped kernl modules? |
| 21:28.44 | treke | haha |
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| 21:30.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:30.14 | absentia2 | heheh |
| 21:30.16 | kergoth | gee i wonder why |
| 21:30.17 | kergoth | ibot: wb |
| 21:30.18 | | thx |
| 21:30.18 | ljp | oh, well. no real damage occures |
| 21:30.22 | ljp | occured |
| 21:31.01 | treke | ~lart kergoth because I wasnt around to do it then |
| 21:33.08 | SuKoShi | ~lart kergoth 'cause it looks like he doesn't take care of sukoshi's research :/ |
| 21:33.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:33.27 | kergoth | thanks SuKoShi |
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| 21:33.35 | SuKoShi | SuKoShi: you're welcome |
| 21:33.48 | bipolar | kergoth: when I run make image, does it cp the ipks somewhere to build it? I have stripped all the bins and libs, but my image is exactly the same |
| 21:33.58 | kergoth | bipolar: what? |
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| 21:34.08 | kergoth | bipolar: ipks always go in output/ipks as a part of the build process |
| 21:34.14 | SuKoShi | it wasn't clear, but as far as i understood the guy tried succesfully the patch |
| 21:34.20 | kergoth | bipolar: make image just creates output/ipks/Packages, runs ipkg update, and then runs ipkg install |
| 21:34.23 | kergoth | bipolar: thats it. |
| 21:34.49 | bipolar | kergoth: I don't know whats going on then. |
| 21:36.28 | bipolar | kergoth: qte lib was not stripped. I just stripped it and it saved .5MB |
| 21:36.34 | kergoth | heh. |
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| 21:38.46 | bipolar | kergoth: ok, before stripping the ipk was 1.3MB, now its 1.1 |
| 21:40.54 | bipolar | kergoth: I just made a new initrd. The fucking md5sum matches and its the same size as the old one. |
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| 21:41.03 | absentia2 | heeh |
| 21:41.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:41.12 | bipolar | kergoth: wtf is going on. the ipk changed, the initrd is the same. |
| 21:41.19 | kergoth | bipolar: of course. |
| 21:41.26 | kergoth | bipolar: ipkg sees the package hasnt been updated, and doesnt upgrade it |
| 21:41.34 | kergoth | bipolar: you have to understand, output/ipks is a FEED |
| 21:41.38 | kergoth | bipolar: it will behave as such |
| 21:41.42 | kergoth | bipolar: make image_clean image; |
| 21:41.54 | SuKoShi | kergoth: my wife helped me with this page's translation : http://www002.upp.so-net.ne.jp/zry/Recommended/SLC700/kernel.html |
| 21:42.47 | SuKoShi | the guy tried preempt patch, but he had many problems with SD card, AIRH (japanese mobile internet (CDMA like) card) but wifi worked. |
| 21:42.49 | ljp | heh creed is being sued by fans for disappointing show |
| 21:43.13 | kergoth | SuKoShi: theres some interesting stuff there |
| 21:43.13 | _Psycho | watching new T3 trailers, X2 one then matrix geesh, cant wait |
| 21:43.15 | kergoth | SuKoShi: hmm |
| 21:43.27 | kergoth | ljp: heh, bullshit |
| 21:43.40 | kergoth | idiocy |
| 21:43.44 | bipolar | kergoth: so it does take the bins/libs and cp's them into a file system before making the actual image from that file system? |
| 21:43.52 | kergoth | bipolar: what? |
| 21:43.57 | kergoth | bipolar: no. |
| 21:44.01 | kergoth | bipolar: i told you already |
| 21:44.03 | treke | bipolar: it runs ipkg install |
| 21:44.03 | kergoth | bipolar: it uses IPKG |
| 21:44.09 | kergoth | bipolar: to install the ipks into output/rootfs |
| 21:44.32 | kergoth | for gods sake, run make image |
| 21:44.34 | kergoth | and actaully READ |
| 21:44.38 | kergoth | the messages that go by |
| 21:44.45 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth's quote |
| 21:44.46 | | kergoth: wish i knew |
| 21:44.51 | kergoth | ibot: kergoths quote |
| 21:44.51 | | extra, extra, read all about it, kergoths quote is it's not exactly rocket science |
| 21:45.23 | ljp | hmm. sometimes, it is |
| 21:45.32 | kergoth | yeah, when its rocket science |
| 21:45.37 | bipolar | kergoth: then, if the ipk changed, and I rmed the initrd, then ran make image, where was it building the new initrd from if not directly from the changed ipk? |
| 21:45.44 | kergoth | bipolar: OUTPUT/ROOTFS |
| 21:45.51 | kergoth | bipolar: should i say it two or 3 more times? |
| 21:45.51 | SuKoShi | kergoth: happy to hear about interesting stuff, even if i understand nothing :p |
| 21:45.54 | kergoth | bipolar: before it actually sinks in? |
| 21:45.55 | bipolar | kergoth: ok. I understand now |
| 21:45.56 | bipolar | :) |
| 21:45.59 | kergoth | jesus |
| 21:46.13 | bipolar | sorry. I'm slow sometimes, heh |
| 21:46.21 | SuKoShi | kergoth: other patch kernel scheduler related, but for A300 = http://emmie.koka-in.org/~kensyu/zaurus/src/kernel-2.4.13-sla300-k1.diff.gz |
| 21:46.23 | bipolar | now my initrd is 17 MB |
| 21:46.28 | bipolar | *sigh* |
| 21:46.40 | treke | bipolar: turn off kernel-modules |
| 21:46.44 | kergoth | .config:474: trying to assign nonexistent symbol INSTALL_TIMEZONES |
| 21:46.48 | kergoth | where the hell did my timezones go |
| 21:47.17 | bipolar | treke: it's not needed? |
| 21:47.41 | treke | bipolar: it depends on every kernel module built |
| 21:47.58 | kergoth | if you disable kernel-modules, enable each individual module ipk you want |
| 21:48.10 | treke | yeah |
| 21:48.21 | treke | more work there, but it saves 4 megs on the image |
| 21:48.41 | kergoth | well the new opie ipk generation seems to work |
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| 21:48.48 | kergoth | somethings up with timezones.. but other than tha |
| 21:48.49 | kergoth | t |
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| 21:49.48 | treke | bipolar: images got a bit bigger now that you actually are installing all the proper packages |
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| 21:51.16 | bipolar | 16MB |
| 21:51.17 | bipolar | heh |
| 21:52.28 | bipolar | forgot a couple of packages |
| 21:53.25 | bipolar | what else could be left unstripped? |
| 21:54.02 | kergoth | only opie and qt are unstripped |
| 21:54.09 | bipolar | ok. |
| 21:54.37 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:54.44 | treke | bipolar: ou may also have an old vera |
| 21:54.48 | treke | or vera and helvetica |
| 21:55.05 | bipolar | treke: old? |
| 21:55.36 | kergoth | yeah, the vera that had 24pt |
| 21:55.43 | kergoth | thats like 650k alone |
| 21:56.21 | treke | bipolar: look through output/rootfs and use du to find out what is taking up space |
| 21:56.27 | treke | then decide if it needs to be there |
| 21:56.31 | bipolar | biggest in the vera build dir is 28 |
| 21:56.36 | bipolar | treke: ok |
| 21:58.56 | SuKoShi | kergoth: please check |
| 21:58.57 | SuKoShi | http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~naorou/linuzau/rawmap-nt0.patch.gz |
| 21:59.06 | SuKoShi | and |
| 21:59.06 | SuKoShi | http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~naorou/linuzau/linux-c700-b500-20021214-rom1_00-bugfix0.patch.gz |
| 21:59.29 | absentia2 | how do I find out which ipkg gives me /sbin/ldconfig ? etc. |
| 22:01.01 | absentia2 | all the ipkgs are now telling me they can't find /sbin/ldconfig |
| 22:01.31 | bipolar | woah... a lot of things are not stripped. |
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| 22:02.05 | absentia2 | search |
| 22:02.06 | absentia2 | got it |
| 22:02.11 | bipolar | /usr/lib is full of unstriped apps |
| 22:02.59 | absentia2 | not found |
| 22:03.01 | absentia2 | :-< |
| 22:03.07 | absentia2 | strange |
| 22:03.41 | absentia2 | I thinkI somehow damaged the image |
| 22:03.44 | absentia2 | I'll reflash |
| 22:07.49 | bipolar | w00t! 14MB :) |
| 22:09.50 | bipolar | flashing |
| 22:10.58 | absentia2 | you have buildroot ? |
| 22:11.11 | bipolar | I do |
| 22:11.27 | absentia2 | lucky bastard |
| 22:11.40 | bipolar | absentia: it's not hard to get |
| 22:11.54 | kergoth | bipolar: he's on freebsd. he can get it easy enough, just cant use it |
| 22:11.59 | bipolar | heh |
| 22:12.02 | bipolar | that sucks |
| 22:12.19 | kergoth | absentia2: hey you can always throw me ssh access to the box, i'd get it working eventually |
| 22:12.57 | absentia2 | ker: ker: ya, but your time is more valuable elsewhere |
| 22:13.00 | bipolar | a watched zaurus never flashes |
| 22:13.04 | absentia2 | do you/we really care about buildroot under freebsd? |
| 22:13.17 | bipolar | no |
| 22:13.21 | bipolar | hehe |
| 22:13.22 | absentia2 | ya, I don't have as much time as I use to to hack on these things. |
| 22:13.25 | absentia2 | I hve the buildroot |
| 22:13.26 | bipolar | oh, you meant kergoth |
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| 22:13.31 | pnis | hi |
| 22:13.32 | absentia2 | I could just hack on it until i got it t work. |
| 22:13.44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:14.00 | absentia2 | I have the feed you put up |
| 22:14.08 | absentia2 | I'm experimentin g installing each ting |
| 22:14.09 | absentia2 | to see what it is |
| 22:14.10 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:14.13 | lsmith | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9132 |
| 22:14.14 | absentia2 | learning about install |
| 22:14.16 | kergoth | we need better description fields in the ipks |
| 22:14.18 | _Psycho | these keyboard kernel patch any good that sukoshi posted ? |
| 22:14.22 | absentia2 | I keep destorying the image by trrying ti ipkg install |
| 22:14.29 | pnis | is that remotely possible that the ipkg in the unstable feed is broken ie. upgrade still not working ? |
| 22:14.31 | kergoth | _Psycho: dont know yet, havent looked at thme yet |
| 22:14.31 | absentia2 | once I get gcc installed.. I want it on sd |
| 22:14.34 | absentia2 | then I want to get sources |
| 22:14.40 | kergoth | pnis: is it possible than ipkg is broken? |
| 22:14.43 | absentia2 | and after I reflash, I Want to make install and get things back that I want/need |
| 22:14.45 | absentia2 | etc. |
| 22:14.45 | kergoth | pnis: thats like asking if the sky is blue |
| 22:14.47 | _Psycho | sound interesthing thought |
| 22:14.52 | pnis | kergoth: hehe :) |
| 22:15.03 | pnis | hi kergoth |
| 22:15.30 | pnis | but this is not what I paid for |
| 22:15.31 | absentia2 | so |
| 22:15.33 | pnis | :) |
| 22:15.43 | absentia2 | I'm tryin to figure out what all these little opie-sh programs are |
| 22:15.48 | absentia2 | and the opie applets and stuff |
| 22:15.59 | beattie | pnis: I'll see that you get a refund :) |
| 22:16.07 | pnis | beattie: :) |
| 22:16.43 | bipolar | boot! fucker! boot! |
| 22:17.04 | pnis | so if I use the stable feeds ipkg, upgrade could work? |
| 22:17.17 | kergoth | pnis: .. in theory |
| 22:17.22 | pnis | sounds good |
| 22:17.29 | pnis | i check |
| 22:17.29 | absentia2 | I trhink upgrade backgrammon through aqpkg |
| 22:17.32 | absentia2 | removed /sbin/ldconfig |
| 22:17.33 | prpplague | bipolar: boot problems? |
| 22:17.35 | beattie | kergoth: did you get a chance to send that email? |
| 22:17.56 | kergoth | beattie: i've barely had a chance to think, let me do it now before i space it again |
| 22:18.05 | absentia2 | nope |
| 22:18.08 | absentia2 | no ldconfig at all |
| 22:18.19 | bipolar | prpplague: I just flashed a gcc3 image I made. I'm waiting for it to finish configuring packages and boot into opie |
| 22:18.23 | kergoth | absentia2: uh, there never was. |
| 22:18.28 | kergoth | absentia2: and you dont need it |
| 22:18.34 | kergoth | absentia2: but if you want it, its in libc6-utils |
| 22:18.43 | beattie | well you spend all your time answering questions on IRC what do you expect :) |
| 22:18.46 | absentia2 | well |
| 22:18.53 | absentia2 | all the ipkgs are failing with a post install script |
| 22:18.54 | prpplague | bipolar: ahh |
| 22:18.57 | absentia2 | error /sbin/ldconfig not found |
| 22:19.13 | kergoth | absentia2: uh, then only try runing ldconfig if you have it, generally |
| 22:19.16 | bipolar | here goes another line of dots... sheesh |
| 22:19.20 | kergoth | i.e. if [ -e /sbin/ldconfig ]; then |
| 22:19.59 | bipolar | and, I get a text login prompt. not good |
| 22:20.10 | treke | kergoth: do you chmod 755 /usr/q! |
| 22:20.12 | treke | nm |
| 22:20.13 | kergoth | bipolar: having fun yet? |
| 22:20.29 | absentia2 | :-) |
| 22:20.34 | absentia2 | wife just brought dinner |
| 22:20.45 | treke | qhere is ours |
| 22:20.50 | kergoth | qhere? |
| 22:20.56 | treke | kergoth: shut it |
| 22:20.59 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:21.43 | kergoth | konq's mkipkg doesnt stomp perms, should fix that |
| 22:22.18 | bipolar | how do I hit 'esc' on the z keypad? |
| 22:22.30 | djr|w | bipolar, cancel |
| 22:23.08 | kergoth | beattie: email? |
| 22:25.37 | bipolar | ahh... no libgcc_s.so |
| 22:25.48 | absentia2 | gcc3... ya, goes shared. |
| 22:26.01 | absentia2 | puts it in /usr/local/lib on most system, yet can't find it itself. |
| 22:26.04 | absentia2 | pretty funny |
| 22:26.49 | bipolar | kergoth: can I use ipkg to install libgcc_s.so into the build dir without running make image_clean again. I manualy stripped all those binarys in there. |
| 22:27.08 | kergoth | bipolar: read Rules.make |
| 22:27.13 | beattie | kergoth: beattie@beattie-home.net |
| 22:27.29 | kergoth | there, sent |
| 22:27.30 | pnis | so first I should install task-essential ? |
| 22:27.41 | beattie | kergoth: thnaks |
| 22:27.47 | kergoth | note you'll want to comb over that nda to see if it'll prevent ones ability to release anything |
| 22:27.51 | pnis | and than upgrade perhaps |
| 22:28.10 | kergoth | pnis: yep |
| 22:28.20 | pnis | all right |
| 22:31.15 | pnis | cool, it upgrade in progress |
| 22:32.03 | pnis | a suggestion: if you install task-essential with the new ipkg, than you will have to remove it first when you switch to the old ipkg |
| 22:32.06 | pnis | :) |
| 22:32.18 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:32.56 | kergoth | i hate it when i'm using windows and expect my focus to follow my mouse |
| 22:33.03 | kergoth | and then get confused |
| 22:33.54 | pnis | the new ipkg didn't install its dependencies (task-essential) so it wasn't too usefull |
| 22:34.18 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:34.21 | pnis | and the old ipkg won't install the dependencies by default again if you reinstall |
| 22:34.29 | pnis | but if you remove it |
| 22:34.33 | pnis | it goes well! |
| 22:34.38 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I just installd nview on my new box in WinXP and it had a focus-follows-mouse option |
| 22:34.44 | Neo|Work | and more importantly, virtual desktops |
| 22:34.50 | Neo|Work | so my xp now has three desktop |
| 22:35.59 | pnis | kergoth: how about putting "66.35.250.210 openzaurus.org" in the default /etc/hosts , so that upgrade won't die after libc upgrade? |
| 22:38.57 | pnis | would that have any ill effects? |
| 22:39.35 | bipolar | ok... this image should work |
| 22:40.15 | bipolar | yep |
| 22:41.44 | bipolar | ok. I'm leaving now. I'm late. :) |
| 22:42.37 | pHluid | hrm hrm |
| 22:42.47 | pHluid | Installed opie-networkapplet from the testing feed |
| 22:43.01 | pHluid | But it's not avail in launcher settings or anything... any thoughts? |
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| 22:45.07 | pnis | seems like there is a lot of garbage to collect on my jffs2 partition |
| 22:47.19 | pnis | jffs2_gcd_mtd4 cpu utilization is changing - I hope that means it is doing something usefull |
| 22:47.27 | kergoth | pnis: installing libc shouldnt remove your resolv.conf |
| 22:47.32 | kergoth | pnis: resolv.conf should be a conffile |
| 22:48.02 | pnis | kergoth: it always did that for me |
| 22:48.28 | pnis | kergoth: or was it fixed recently ? |
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| 22:48.51 | kergoth | pnis: no |
| 22:48.59 | kergoth | pnis: cat /usr/lib/ipkg/info/libc6.conffiles |
| 22:50.00 | pnis | kergoth: when did it become a conffile ? maybe ipkg thinks it is not ? it never asked me to overwrite |
| 22:50.11 | pnis | the other conffiles it asks |
| 22:50.52 | kergoth | pnis: it should always have been. if it isnt, its a bug. if it is, and ipkg isnt prompting, then its an ipkg bug |
| 22:51.01 | kergoth | pnis: i'm asking you to tell me which is the case |
| 22:51.12 | pnis | kergoth: ah ok |
| 22:51.27 | pnis | # cat /usr/lib/ipkg/info/libc6.conffiles |
| 22:51.27 | pnis | /etc/host.conf |
| 22:51.27 | pnis | # |
| 22:51.36 | kergoth | okay, so its a bug in the libc6 ipk, i'll take care of it |
| 22:51.44 | pnis | cool, thanks |
| 22:51.49 | kergoth | np |
| 22:52.16 | kergoth | man today was busy |
| 22:52.37 | pnis | many phonecalls? |
| 22:55.18 | pnis | klogd -c 1 will log all messages ? or klogd -c 7 ? |
| 22:55.21 | kergoth | bipolar_away: found the last remaining unstripped binaries |
| 22:55.33 | kergoth | or you could just use the startup script. :P |
| 22:55.38 | pnis | if anyone knows |
| 22:55.50 | kergoth | libqte.so.2.3.5 still isnt being stripped for some reason |
| 22:55.52 | kergoth | hrm |
| 22:56.07 | pnis | hehe but logread says there is no circular buffer after I start the script |
| 22:56.14 | pnis | i am in the middle of an upgrade |
| 22:56.16 | ljp | it's still kinda shy |
| 22:56.51 | pnis | just letting jffs2 take a rest |
| 22:57.09 | treke | fun/ opie depends on qt/e but qt/e depends on opie |
| 22:57.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:57.23 | kergoth | qt/e only depends on opie sourcetree, not build |
| 22:57.27 | treke | yup |
| 22:57.30 | kergoth | (that was a bitch to make work btw) |
| 22:57.32 | ljp | heh |
| 22:57.42 | treke | I've been trying to figure out wtf it wont build |
| 22:57.54 | treke | turns out if I mrproper opie I have to mrproper qte |
| 22:58.02 | pnis | hi ljp how is realmedia going along ? |
| 22:58.06 | treke | so that opie gets done |
| 22:58.09 | kergoth | ahh yeah, it only reextracts opie if qt/e's sourcetree doesnt exist |
| 22:58.24 | ljp | pnis: slowly |
| 22:58.34 | ljp | I have too many projects |
| 22:58.43 | pnis | i see |
| 22:58.44 | treke | oh well. Some nasty build systems are bound to cause problems |
| 22:58.56 | ljp | and waiting for some other people to finish/commit some code |
| 22:59.15 | ljp | I'll get there, though |
| 22:59.16 | pnis | ljp: so audio is working, and video is left ? |
| 22:59.30 | ljp | ya, for the most part |
| 22:59.36 | pnis | that's nice |
| 22:59.41 | pnis | and streaming is working too ? |
| 22:59.42 | ljp | and then the plugin |
| 22:59.47 | ljp | audio? ya |
| 22:59.52 | pnis | cool |
| 23:00.12 | ljp | just no lo bitrate codecs, cuase thats sipro |
| 23:00.19 | pnis | is the rm parser a binary plugin ? or that was in source too ? |
| 23:00.32 | pnis | yes, I remember about that |
| 23:00.32 | ljp | parser? |
| 23:00.41 | pnis | the rm file parser |
| 23:00.47 | pnis | that gets the audio packets out of the file |
| 23:01.09 | ljp | ahh.. well, _I_ have the code. but it's not open |
| 23:01.24 | pnis | i see |
| 23:01.25 | ljp | so it'll be binary with the plugin |
| 23:01.41 | pnis | and you had to sign a few ndas too ? so I cannot ask questions ?:) |
| 23:01.42 | treke | ljp: remember. gcc 3 |
| 23:01.57 | ljp | gcc will work fine |
| 23:01.59 | pnis | about the rm format |
| 23:02.09 | ljp | had to sign a few licenses, ya |
| 23:02.25 | ljp | attachment G |
| 23:02.30 | pnis | that is not very awesome |
| 23:02.37 | pnis | yes |
| 23:02.43 | ljp | oh well. |
| 23:02.47 | pb_ | which one is attachment G? |
| 23:02.54 | ljp | for porting codecs |
| 23:03.00 | pb_ | ah right |
| 23:03.50 | pnis | anyhow rumour has it the rm data packet format changed in the new helix's from the older realplayers (g2 etc) |
| 23:05.00 | pnis | judging by the fact, that mplayer couldn't play my helix encoded sample movie |
| 23:05.01 | pnis | :) |
| 23:05.15 | pnis | shame on realnetworks |
| 23:05.56 | pnis | ljp: i know I asked it several times, but I forgot: you don't have to give back the changes you make to the source ? |
| 23:06.35 | ljp | not if I have the commercial license |
| 23:07.04 | pnis | attachment g + commercial license ? |
| 23:07.30 | ljp | I'd better make sure I know.. heh |
| 23:07.39 | pnis | :) |
| 23:07.52 | ljp | I think I have to give changes back now that I think of it... |
| 23:08.06 | ljp | I dunno... |
| 23:08.08 | ljp | :) |
| 23:08.09 | pnis | good for Real nonetheless :) |
| 23:08.27 | pnis | i am sure they will tell you anyway :) |
| 23:08.34 | ljp | oh, ya.. I am sure they look out for their interests |
| 23:08.45 | pnis | :) |
| 23:09.05 | pnis | btw sco wants to sue ibm because linux is built on sco unix |
| 23:09.16 | ljp | but it wouldnt happen for arm linux any other way |
| 23:09.36 | pnis | ljp: rm ? indeed |
| 23:10.34 | pnis | but there is mpeg4 theora, vorbis whatever though |
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| 23:10.54 | pnis | wma too |
| 23:10.59 | pnis | but no ra/rv |
| 23:11.09 | pnis | on arm |
| 23:11.16 | pnis | and inopensource |
| 23:12.30 | pnis | i guess there are people who want to watch ra/rv streams though, that's true |
| 23:12.37 | pnis | on arm |
| 23:13.13 | pnis | haven't met such a person yet, but I am sure they exist :) |
| 23:15.07 | pnis | hm how long should it take for jffs2_gcd_mtd4 to clean up the / fs ? |
| 23:15.58 | treke | it varies |
| 23:16.42 | pnis | could it be hours? |
| 23:16.56 | treke | shouldnt be |
| 23:17.10 | pnis | about 30mins have passed here sofar |
| 23:17.22 | ljp | gosh, I feel important now |
| 23:17.35 | treke | ljp: maybe you'll get a better offer :) |
| 23:17.43 | treke | and be able to keep your cat |
| 23:17.49 | ljp | Riker is going to setup an interview with TI for me, probably on Manday |
| 23:17.53 | ljp | hahaha |
| 23:18.11 | ljp | that might be a burn for TT |
| 23:18.19 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:18.23 | pb_ | what's the job at TI? |
| 23:18.35 | ljp | Qtopia Community Manager/Liason |
| 23:18.45 | pnis | at trolltech ? |
| 23:18.50 | ljp | oh heh |
| 23:18.56 | ljp | umm, develoepr at TI |
| 23:19.05 | ljp | TI and TT look too similiar |
| 23:19.11 | pb_ | heh, yes |
| 23:19.13 | pnis | what is TI? |
| 23:19.20 | ljp | texas instruments |
| 23:19.21 | treke | Texas Instruments |
| 23:19.26 | pnis | ah |
| 23:19.28 | pnis | :) |
| 23:19.41 | treke | they are based in Oregon |
| 23:19.46 | ljp | probably just want to scale up opie calculator :D |
| 23:20.27 | pnis | ti is interested in qtopia than I infer ?:) |
| 23:20.34 | ljp | if TI comes up with an better offer, I am going to feel bad |
| 23:20.52 | treke | ljp: not if trolltech proceeds to come up with an even better offer :) |
| 23:20.57 | ljp | ya, they just hired tim riker who was CTO at Lineo |
| 23:21.11 | pnis | oh i see |
| 23:21.13 | ljp | treke: ya, now yer talking! |
| 23:21.27 | treke | we're just looking out for yah :) |
| 23:21.32 | ljp | I beleive TI will have a linux/qtopia device |
| 23:21.44 | pnis | cool |
| 23:21.50 | pnis | you mean linux/opie?:) |
| 23:21.57 | ljp | he asked about opie |
| 23:22.08 | ljp | its not lgpl though |
| 23:22.18 | treke | he also asked about libopie2 |
| 23:22.34 | ljp | true, and mickey I think is going to make it lgpl |
| 23:22.54 | pnis | you mean libqpe is gpl? |
| 23:22.58 | treke | libopie2 looked to be all lgp except for opie |
| 23:23.00 | treke | pnis: yes |
| 23:23.09 | treke | er except for bits from qt3 |
| 23:23.26 | pnis | but kde is built on qt - and isn't libkde and other stuff lgpl still ? |
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| 23:23.58 | treke | pnis: they may have special permission |
| 23:24.02 | treke | but otherwise its gpl |
| 23:24.12 | pnis | treke ah, i see |
| 23:24.29 | pnis | i can give you permission if that helps :) |
| 23:24.36 | treke | most likely it's just gpl |
| 23:24.58 | pnis | you mean kde? |
| 23:25.19 | treke | yes |
| 23:25.37 | pnis | i understood it's lgpl - i might have misunderstood |
| 23:25.55 | pnis | iirc in their faq |
| 23:26.01 | pnis | for developers |
| 23:26.21 | kergoth | treke: found some things using space |
| 23:26.30 | treke | que? |
| 23:26.35 | kergoth | treke: some of our glibc libs, like libpthread & friends, werent executable |
| 23:26.39 | kergoth | treke: and therefore werent strippped |
| 23:27.06 | treke | cool |
| 23:27.13 | kergoth | whew, there |
| 23:27.16 | kergoth | qt finally got stripped |
| 23:27.19 | treke | like half of /lib :) |
| 23:27.26 | kergoth | slowly but surely cutting down the image size here |
| 23:27.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27.41 | treke | back to something usable. |
| 23:27.51 | pnis | is this a typo, or intentional ?:Upgrading libopenobex1 on root from 1.0.0-2 to 1:1.0.0-2... |
| 23:28.08 | treke | last image I loaded left me with 500k free |
| 23:29.06 | kergoth | pnis: probably ipkg being stupid |
| 23:29.20 | pnis | kergoth: i see |
| 23:30.46 | kergoth | hmm, my image is 15891604 bytes |
| 23:31.22 | kergoth | find output/rootfs/ -type f|for i in `cat`; do if [ -x $i ]; then file $i; fi; done|grep ARM.*not.*stripped |
| 23:31.25 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:32.30 | pnis | kergoth: last commit to libopenobex/Makefile |
| 23:32.32 | pnis | +$(stamp-ipk) : Version:=1:$(Version) |
| 23:32.33 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.33 | pnis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.38 | pnis | that caused this, no ? |
| 23:32.44 | kergoth | oh |
| 23:32.50 | kergoth | who did that? |
| 23:32.52 | kergoth | me? |
| 23:32.58 | kergoth | yes, thats intentional, and correct |
| 23:33.00 | kergoth | i missed the 1: |
| 23:33.02 | pnis | yes |
| 23:33.17 | pnis | ah, ok |
| 23:33.22 | kergoth | long day |
| 23:33.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:33.32 | pnis | :) |
| 23:34.10 | kergoth | ~/oz/corgi$ ls -l output/images/initrd.bin |
| 23:34.11 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- 1 kergoth users 12106900 2003-04-24 17:31 output/images/initrd.bin |
| 23:34.25 | kergoth | treke: i saved like 4 megs |
| 23:34.27 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 23:34.32 | treke | kergoth: nice |
| 23:34.37 | treke | I'll do another image tonight |
| 23:34.46 | treke | and try to figure out what is fucked up in opie-login |
| 23:36.49 | pnis | it's not yet finished - but upgrade seems to work allright ! |
| 23:36.58 | pnis | apart from the 2 noted problems |
| 23:37.12 | kergoth | treke: pushed. opie and qte and glibc 2.3.1 all stripped properly |
| 23:37.16 | kergoth | treke: I'll fix up glibc 2.2.4 in a few |
| 23:37.21 | treke | pulling |
| 23:37.29 | drw | treke: do your images include the non-root opie stuff now? |
| 23:37.34 | treke | drw: yes |
| 23:37.41 | treke | drw: I havent posted an though |
| 23:38.08 | treke | I dont plan on uploading any more root based images, unless kergoth doesnt like the nonroot stuff |
| 23:38.48 | pnis | and during upgrade jffs2 needs half an hour rest every 10 minutes :) |
| 23:39.05 | drw | ok, will be happy to test the non-root stuff out! |
| 23:39.08 | treke | kergoth: question is, how will this affect the upgrade path |
| 23:39.17 | kergoth | treke: hehe. i dont dare guess |
| 23:39.29 | kergoth | treke: ipkg right now doesnt have adequate support to be able to keep an upgrade path smooth. ever. |
| 23:39.42 | kergoth | treke: well, some things, but any package split will make things explode |
| 23:39.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:39.46 | pnis | have I mentioned: atm upgrade is working |
| 23:39.46 | pnis | :) |
| 23:39.47 | treke | kergoth: I dont forsee us being able to script it, god knows what is going to be in the various data files pointing to /root |
| 23:40.01 | ljp | ya! what he said! |
| 23:40.03 | kergoth | treke: yeah, transitioning hte user's data is out completely. they'll have to use opie-backup |
| 23:40.07 | kergoth | treke: or do it manually |
| 23:40.30 | kergoth | pnis: there are at least 8 points in oz's existance since 3.0 where upgrades were broken, badly. |
| 23:40.33 | kergoth | pnis: heh |
| 23:40.47 | pnis | kergoth: hehe |
| 23:41.07 | treke | 3.4 will be no different :) |
| 23:41.16 | pnis | but flashing is not a big deal actually IMHO |
| 23:41.25 | kergoth | it wont be different until ipkg supports proper Replaces handling. that should happen prior to 1.0 though |
| 23:41.28 | kergoth | pnis: agreed |
| 23:41.38 | kergoth | pnis: and upgrades by their very nature require a lot of free space, for in use libraires |
| 23:41.41 | kergoth | libraries |
| 23:41.46 | kergoth | so i dont recommend upgrades in general on a pda |
| 23:42.06 | pnis | yes, i have empirical evidence right here |
| 23:42.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:42.28 | kergoth | treke: jeeze this ncurses-term ipk creation takes a long fucking time |
| 23:42.33 | kergoth | treke: i need to performance tweak mkipkg |
| 23:43.35 | pnis | btw people ask, and I didn't quite find it myself - how can a cramfs-modules ipk be built with buildroot ? |
| 23:43.42 | pnis | if it is simple |
| 23:43.51 | kergoth | for the Z kernel? |
| 23:43.54 | pnis | yes |
| 23:43.58 | kergoth | it has cramfs support monolithically, you dont need an ipk |
| 23:44.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:44.04 | pnis | hehe |
| 23:44.15 | kergoth | ~/oz/gatekeeper$ cat packages/kernel-collie/defconfig |grep CRAMFS |
| 23:44.15 | kergoth | CONFIG_CRAMFS=y |
| 23:44.16 | pnis | ok |
| 23:44.24 | pnis | yes |
| 23:44.25 | kergoth | if you change that to m, it'll build a cramfs-modules ipk |
| 23:44.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:44.26 | pnis | i saw that |
| 23:44.30 | pnis | :) |
| 23:44.41 | pnis | i didn't put the pieces together it seems :] |
| 23:44.50 | pnis | y!=m |
| 23:44.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:45.08 | kergoth | oi, dont tell me this is installing snmp man pages into the ipk |
| 23:45.11 | kergoth | i'll be very unhappy |
| 23:45.25 | Neo|Work | New T3 trailer == this might be an ++awesome movie |
| 23:45.31 | Neo|Work | so many movies I look forward to this year |
| 23:45.37 | kergoth | treke: thanks |
| 23:46.29 | ljp | this might be a crazy week/end |
| 23:46.41 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 23:46.56 | treke | <ljp> yet another reason to get drunk! |
| 23:46.58 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:47.07 | kergoth | <ljp> and eat pizza! (as if i needed a reason) |
| 23:47.33 | treke | fuck |
| 23:47.39 | kergoth | problems? |
| 23:47.42 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.47 | kergoth | doh |
| 23:47.59 | kergoth | thank god for ccache |
| 23:48.05 | treke | yup |
| 23:48.17 | treke | still sets me back a half hour |
| 23:48.23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:49.44 | ljp | I dont know why I am putting off the helix stuff so much |
| 23:49.53 | ljp | compilcated |
| 23:50.28 | pnis | think about how much will realnetworks benefit from your work for motivation :) |
| 23:50.48 | ljp | think about how much I will benefit from my work |
| 23:51.10 | pnis | that's even better indeed |
| 23:51.34 | ljp | the other linuxarm guy, Paul is making a VoIP with real codecs for linux arm |
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| 23:51.54 | pnis | that's nice |
| 23:52.04 | pnis | if speex doesn't fit ones needs |
| 23:54.22 | pnis | it's all good, one personal problem I see is that it's like cutting the wood under myself - as I am not planning to spend money on these fine proprietary products |
| 23:54.44 | pnis | but i see there are other perspectives :) |
| 23:54.57 | pnis | see=aware |
| 23:55.08 | pnis | wood=tree |
| 23:55.33 | pnis | i have passed the high level exam in english !:] |
