| 00:03.04 | ljp | hmmmmmm |
| 00:03.13 | _Psycho | heya ljp |
| 00:03.18 | ljp | sometimes email is more interesting than at other times... |
| 00:06.49 | ljp | hey_Ps |
| 00:09.13 | Dessimat0r | ljp: especially when porn is being advertised |
| 00:09.59 | ljp | no, especially when high end audio programming is being discussed. :) |
| 00:10.03 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 00:12.19 | ljp | coolness. core-sound wants me to call them. |
| 00:13.01 | ljp | i...need....coffee.... |
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| 00:22.43 | _Psycho | someone can point me where i can fix dependencies doing make image ? |
| 00:22.54 | _Psycho | he said i dont have >= than 2.3.4-beta4, but i have 2.3.4-6 |
| 00:30.14 | krezel_ | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10318112 |
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| 01:15.13 | _Psycho | woo new image done |
| 01:15.34 | _Psycho | Kergoth if you see that when you get back home, i had to add -force-depends on the Rules.make tell me if its ok |
| 01:16.06 | _Psycho | else i was getting a ftplib no require >= 2.3.4-beta4, and the version is like 2.3.4-6 |
| 01:20.38 | _Psycho | cool my image look ok |
| 01:24.13 | greearb | hrm, mini-perl doesn't compile: |
| 01:24.33 | greearb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.33 | greearb | Perl v5.7.3 required--this is only v5.6.1, stopped at Makefile.PL line 1. |
| 01:24.33 | greearb | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 1. |
| 01:24.33 | greearb | Warning: No Makefile! |
| 01:26.02 | _Psycho | damn my image skipped opie like last time, i sure forgot something or my image is too big |
| 01:27.05 | treke|home | ok. home. time to work on nonroot opie |
| 01:27.32 | _Psycho | treke read 5-6 lines up maybe you can answer my question |
| 01:29.00 | treke|home | -beta4 is > 6 |
| 01:29.17 | _Psycho | really ? oh strange i builded the last cvs |
| 01:29.27 | _Psycho | well the last buildroot even |
| 01:29.28 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 01:29.33 | treke|home | no |
| 01:29.39 | treke|home | 6 is the most recen |
| 01:29.52 | _Psycho | so thats good =p |
| 01:30.10 | treke|home | but the version string for beta4 evaulates to more recent than 6 |
| 01:30.12 | _Psycho | why does he tell me he need >= than beta4 hehe probably because b come after 6 |
| 01:30.14 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 01:30.17 | _Psycho | ok |
| 01:30.28 | _Psycho | so thats "ok" if i -force-depends ? looked fine |
| 01:30.37 | treke|home | yup |
| 01:30.39 | _Psycho | not sure how to fix it |
| 01:30.44 | _Psycho | ok |
| 01:31.01 | _Psycho | my image did the same thing than last 2 week, everything is ok but no opie on my Z |
| 01:31.06 | _Psycho | i think its because its too big |
| 01:31.10 | _Psycho | or i forget something impoetant |
| 01:31.12 | _Psycho | important* |
| 01:31.19 | _Psycho | i have to figure that thing out |
| 01:40.26 | _Psycho | hmm reflashing |
| 01:44.42 | treke|home | _Psycho: little freudian slip there? |
| 01:44.53 | _Psycho | what ? |
| 01:45.12 | _Psycho | I think my english is not enough good for what you said ;) |
| 01:45.15 | _Psycho | and its quite decent hehe |
| 01:45.20 | treke|home | impoetant |
| 01:45.30 | treke|home | impotent :) |
| 01:45.36 | _Psycho | yeah ok :) |
| 01:45.37 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 01:45.57 | _Psycho | reconfiguring package, i hope thats work |
| 01:45.58 | _Psycho | its so weird |
| 01:47.21 | treke|home | someone remind me to fix sudo when I'm done |
| 01:47.33 | _Psycho | opie-sudo.patch ? |
| 01:47.36 | _Psycho | or just sudo ? |
| 01:47.43 | treke|home | just sudo |
| 01:47.46 | _Psycho | done with what ? :) |
| 01:48.02 | treke|home | I need tpo remember to fix it so that you cant just get root immedietly on my machine :) |
| 01:48.21 | _Psycho | oh hehe |
| 01:48.35 | _Psycho | i saw a new exploit with samba, you can get root everywhere samba is installed |
| 01:48.47 | _Psycho | i dont think its a know exploit yet even by samba dev |
| 01:48.49 | _Psycho | quite scary |
| 01:48.56 | _Psycho | bleh no opie agian |
| 01:48.59 | _Psycho | *back to image* |
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| 01:58.12 | treke|home | anyone here have a 5600 or C700? |
| 01:58.20 | _Psycho | yep for the c700 |
| 01:58.31 | treke|home | _Psycho: running sharp rom? |
| 01:58.38 | _Psycho | nah oz one |
| 01:58.46 | _Psycho | but i could always flash old one |
| 01:58.46 | treke|home | then your no use for me :) |
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| 01:58.51 | ljp | I'd have one if someone would buy one for me |
| 01:59.07 | cynTop | im running sharp rom atm treke |
| 01:59.08 | cynTop | on 700 |
| 01:59.11 | _Psycho | since my image doesnt work somehow |
| 01:59.19 | treke|home | cynTop: can you look in the .desktop file for the package manager? |
| 01:59.38 | treke|home | I'm looking for a property that tells it to run an application as root |
| 01:59.40 | _Psycho | if its into my mtdblock, i didnt erased it i could check |
| 02:02.32 | _Psycho | damn frigging image that doesnt work, cant wait to figure out why opie doesnt appear on my Z |
| 02:02.32 | cynTop | package manager eh |
| 02:02.43 | cynTop | I don't see a .desktop for the package manger |
| 02:02.54 | treke|home | in /opt/QtPalmtop/apps? |
| 02:02.57 | cynTop | /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Settings | Applications right |
| 02:03.19 | treke|home | hrm |
| 02:03.43 | cynTop | appskey maybe |
| 02:04.10 | cynTop | ill just set something to runas root |
| 02:04.15 | cynTop | something i see a .desktop for :P |
| 02:04.25 | treke|home | that works |
| 02:05.11 | treke|home | I just want to make sure I do this so it's compatible with qtopia |
| 02:05.14 | cynTop | haha nothing has the option! |
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| 02:05.27 | treke|home | grrrr |
| 02:05.30 | cynTop | 3rd parties would but ... maybe justreader has a desktop |
| 02:05.41 | cynTop | what's the running name of the ipkg equiv |
| 02:05.55 | treke|home | they should all have a .desktop in /opt/QtPalmtop/apps |
| 02:06.06 | treke|home | thats where the ipks extract to |
| 02:06.57 | cynTop | justreader has it |
| 02:07.19 | cynTop | !! |
| 02:07.24 | cynTop | the file didn't change |
| 02:07.40 | treke|home | hmmm. maybe in the settings file? |
| 02:09.30 | cynTop | can't find it |
| 02:09.45 | cynTop | i'm being bugged, i'm gunna have to get back to ya |
| 02:09.49 | treke|home | ok |
| 02:10.23 | cynTop | but if you see me talkin and still dunno, definately reask |
| 02:10.29 | cynTop | even if its only an hour from now :P |
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| 02:19.14 | treke|home | evening masticator |
| 02:19.18 | treke|home | how goes your chewing? |
| 02:20.00 | ljp | haha |
| 02:21.55 | ljp | chew-alicious |
| 02:24.30 | treke|home | masticator: do you know what sharp uses to denote that an apps needs to be run as root on the c700? |
| 02:26.42 | ljp | a file or something |
| 02:27.11 | treke|home | ljp: your really helpful, you know that? |
| 02:27.14 | ljp | check the registry |
| 02:27.21 | ljp | :) |
| 02:27.59 | treke|home | maybe if I actually had a c700 |
| 02:28.37 | ljp | I wodner when some brain will invent a linux registry |
| 02:29.52 | ljp | and then rename .so to .dll |
| 02:30.13 | ljp | and start installing everything into /Program Files |
| 02:30.20 | treke|home | QStringList list = QStringList::split(QRegExp(" *"),c); |
| 02:30.20 | treke|home | QString ap=list[0]; |
| 02:30.20 | treke|home | qDebug("executing %s", ap.latin1() ); |
| 02:30.20 | treke|home | invoke( ap ); |
| 02:31.10 | ljp | hmm |
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| 02:33.42 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:34.35 | _Psycho | ok image work now |
| 02:34.49 | _Psycho | hmm on fly rotation and calibration look the same |
| 02:35.35 | _Psycho | maybe i have to enable that somewhere |
| 02:35.38 | _Psycho | i reflash first ;) |
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| 02:40.38 | treke|home | evening gaurdian |
| 02:40.59 | gaurdian | anyone been able to connect to ipaq3.handhelds.org lately ? |
| 02:41.16 | gaurdian | greets |
| 02:42.05 | gaurdian | Thats a no I assume |
| 02:42.17 | treke|home | nope. |
| 02:42.19 | ljp | havent tried |
| 02:42.21 | treke|home | #2 is up though |
| 02:42.26 | gaurdian | cool |
| 02:43.23 | gaurdian | odd......old username/passwords no good ? |
| 02:43.28 | treke|home | guest/guest |
| 02:43.45 | gaurdian | ahh ok |
| 02:44.01 | ljp | root/rootme |
| 02:44.04 | ljp | :) |
| 02:44.10 | ljp | oh ya, thats zaurus |
| 02:44.22 | gaurdian | need to compile nmap again |
| 02:48.38 | _Psycho | damn ts is way messed up in my new imaeg |
| 02:48.43 | _Psycho | so bugged |
| 02:49.39 | treke|home | ok |
| 02:49.43 | treke|home | RunRoot works :) |
| 02:50.48 | gaurdian | RunRoot ? |
| 02:50.59 | _Psycho | damn ts is like 150 pixel off to the left when i try to click on the X button |
| 02:51.14 | treke|home | gaurdian: getting opie to the point where it can run as a user other than root |
| 02:51.23 | gaurdian | ahh...testing / |
| 02:51.56 | treke|home | with this patch, you can set a flag in the .Desktop file that marks that the app needs to be run as root |
| 02:52.36 | gaurdian | Welp, had to change SD cards, SanDisk fineally screwed me...damm wouldent even boot with the card in, but booted fine without it. couldent fix the card at all, went with Lexar |
| 02:53.03 | gaurdian | does it use sudo to execute the app or ? |
| 02:53.08 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:53.19 | gaurdian | passwordless sudo I assume |
| 02:54.33 | treke|home | the downside is that any app can be effectivly run as root |
| 02:54.58 | gaurdian | uh.......so essentially, its no different as now then |
| 02:56.37 | masticator | blargh. |
| 02:56.46 | treke|home | gaurdian: The other option is to write an application that configures which apps osudo will allow to execute |
| 02:57.09 | treke|home | But that makes it more of a pain for the user |
| 02:57.42 | gaurdian | well, no matter to me really, but I dont see what youre gaining if any user can essentially run any app as root, its bassically same as it is now right ? |
| 02:57.53 | _Psycho | well konqueror segfault on my c700 |
| 02:57.57 | _Psycho | not sure why yet |
| 02:58.21 | treke|home | the advantage is that out of the box they arent running everything as root, so they are less likely to delete something they shouldnt |
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| 02:59.40 | ljp | I like deleting /lib |
| 02:59.43 | gaurdian | hmm..I guess |
| 02:59.57 | treke|home | frank;y, i doubt have a problem limiting it to only running the hndful of apps they need, but I dont forsee kergoth liking that :) |
| 03:00.01 | ljp | go ahead, try it |
| 03:00.04 | treke|home | s/doubt/dont |
| 03:00.32 | gaurdian | well, then you need to decide what THEY need to run......kinds limiting dont ya think ? |
| 03:00.41 | ljp | I hate banks |
| 03:01.16 | treke|home | gaurdian: yup. it is kinda limiting. But if they want more, they've got the source right their, they can add the app they want :p |
| 03:01.32 | gaurdian | takeing away freedoms ? |
| 03:02.15 | ljp | 'there should be limits to freedom' |
| 03:02.24 | ljp | guess who said that |
| 03:02.31 | treke|home | gaurdian: I'll even recompile it for them on request |
| 03:02.49 | gaurdian | I agree there should be limits........ |
| 03:03.10 | gaurdian | but the "linux credo" is about freedoinm to do WHATEVER you want isnt it ? |
| 03:03.32 | treke|home | they still are |
| 03:03.45 | ljp | ya, I run around naked in my linux all the time |
| 03:04.02 | ljp | see!! |
| 03:05.01 | treke|home | takes a 5 line shell script to replace osudo with one that just runs whatever you want |
| 03:05.33 | ljp | how about just porting wince to zaurus? |
| 03:06.10 | ljp | I'm all for user qtopia/opie.. if it all just works |
| 03:06.57 | treke|home | trying to limit what they run doesnt help you much security wise, since the entire design of ipkg makes its sort of a moot point. If you want to be malicious, all you need is a postinst script. |
| 03:07.35 | gaurdian | well, I guess. Honestly I guess my point is that I think its unneeded. Its not like the Z is a multi-user system, I person uses it only, generally |
| 03:08.19 | ljp | what if the owner has multiple personalities?!? |
| 03:08.39 | gaurdian | Then they have bigger issues than that |
| 03:09.07 | gaurdian | there, nmap for the Z compiled, latest one |
| 03:09.14 | treke|home | gaurdian: It would pretty much be a single user system still. Just not running as root. The intention is to keep someone from accidentally wiping out /bin thinking its a bunch of useless files |
| 03:10.01 | gaurdian | heh, well, want my honest opinion...if ya not sure DONT DELETE IT :) |
| 03:10.17 | gaurdian | but thats cool.....if it works thats cool |
| 03:10.18 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:10.46 | gaurdian | call me cynical, but have got many of a panic calls on cell late at night or on weekends |
| 03:11.05 | treke|home | yup |
| 03:11.33 | gaurdian | Its a damm expensive mistake to get me to come down to their office to tell them "you did WHAT ???" |
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| 03:12.29 | treke|home | "I just chowned every file on one of the ucsb's research workstations to my account, what should I do?" "run away. far away" |
| 03:12.36 | _Psycho | botmail to kergoth should work fine right ? |
| 03:13.05 | _Psycho | everything is more broke than before ;) i have to explain some stuff =p |
| 03:13.54 | _Psycho | problem fixed ! |
| 03:13.59 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 03:14.03 | _Psycho | ibot |
| 03:16.25 | icefox | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/kautoconfigdialog/ |
| 03:16.27 | icefox | weee |
| 03:29.39 | gaurdian | new sharp rom comming out I see |
| 04:02.54 | chouimat | bah |
| 04:04.13 | noidd | mornin |
| 04:06.50 | icefox | Moin |
| 04:12.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:52.53 | treke|home | ok. opie in build root compiles again |
| 04:52.58 | treke|home | goodnight |
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| 05:46.28 | Speedy2 | TheMasterMind1: You here? |
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| 10:07.19 | lsmith | wow! |
| 10:07.27 | lsmith | sharp being really nice it seems! |
| 10:07.41 | troffasky | yeah? Good news on the SD front? |
| 10:07.50 | lsmith | check oz.org news |
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| 10:14.07 | dc_c700 | heh, morning |
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| 11:10.38 | mark | yo yo yo |
| 11:12.22 | pHluid | what up, playa. |
| 11:17.36 | dc_ | bahh...who can help me with my reflashing |
| 11:17.49 | lsmith | the faq? |
| 11:18.49 | dc_ | well, when I try to flash it from cf, the two lights just flash together, I've looked at the faq and done everything it suggests to solve that, but still nothing. |
| 11:19.06 | dc_ | my cf card is formatted as Win95 fat16 |
| 11:19.38 | dc_ | and I've put initrd.bin and zImage in the root of it... |
| 11:19.59 | lsmith | well the two lights have to flash up together |
| 11:20.17 | lsmith | and once they turn of you press the reset button |
| 11:20.33 | lsmith | and put everything together and but the battery mode to normal |
| 11:20.36 | dc_ | they do, but they just flash continuously |
| 11:20.50 | lsmith | they never stop? |
| 11:20.53 | dc_ | like once every second |
| 11:20.54 | dc_ | yes. |
| 11:20.57 | lsmith | or the "blink" |
| 11:20.57 | dc_ | that's correct. |
| 11:21.00 | dc_ | blink |
| 11:21.19 | lsmith | that never happend to me |
| 11:21.22 | lsmith | dunno then |
| 11:21.26 | lsmith | search the mailinglist archive |
| 11:21.35 | dc_ | heh, right. |
| 11:21.40 | lsmith | maybe someone else has experienced that problem |
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| 11:40.24 | noda | Moo! |
| 11:40.41 | dc_ | :-\ |
| 11:42.00 | noda | I'm looking for a HOWTO on how to give advice to hackers, or how to submit bugs or something. I forget exactly what the main point of the article is, but I remember it says not to insult the developer... |
| 11:42.13 | noda | I'm sure it's rather popular (was it Eric Raymond who wrote it?) -- anyone have a clue where I could find it? |
| 11:42.28 | ||ugh | Hey noda! |
| 11:42.34 | noda | ||ugh: Moo! :) |
| 11:43.55 | noda | Anyone know what I'm talking about? :P |
| 11:44.29 | kenb | I remember it |
| 11:44.35 | kenb | I can't see to find it. |
| 11:44.39 | noda | What was it called? :) |
| 11:44.45 | ||ugh | Well it might be know that I drink a lot of milk, but noda, I had thought you were a male? Now you claim to be femail and of the Bovine ilk? |
| 11:45.12 | ||ugh | Just how do you type with hoofs on a Z? :r) |
| 11:45.14 | noda | ||ugh: I'm bisexual and bispecial, I guess :) |
| 11:46.29 | noda | kenb: Do you remember if Eric Raymond wrote it or not? :) |
| 11:46.41 | ||ugh | I am in RZ hell just now, hoping that someday soon I can go back to OZ! Maybe with a nice jucey 2.4.MODERN kernel! |
| 11:47.03 | noda | ||ugh: Yeah, did you hear the news? Sharp gave kergoth a nice 2.4.18 binary module! :) |
| 11:47.11 | kenb | noda: I don't remember who wrote it. It's possible. |
| 11:48.08 | ||ugh | Just saw that. Now, has anyone on the security team de-compiled it to check for security problems with it? Oh, right DMCA... Well I hope NO ONE in the USG is buying these things... |
| 11:48.37 | noda | Man, what a stupid law :) |
| 11:51.41 | ||ugh | Get this. A Z binary from a site in China is different then the ones from three other websites on the net... Yes folks I _am_ that parinoid. Wow. What fun we will all be having! |
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| 11:52.17 | noda | ||ugh: Well we'd all expect you to be paranoid, we'd feel a lot less safe if you weren't :) |
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| 11:53.08 | noda | If freeswan was made by a bunch of people who were thinking, "Bah, that'll probably be okay," I wouldn't exactly want to use it :) |
| 11:53.15 | ||ugh | So noda, you running WAVEsec OE FreeS/WAN on your Z with dynDNS at your home domain yet? :r) Well that is the goal for what I am doing. |
| 11:53.23 | noda | ROFL |
| 11:54.05 | ||ugh | :r) |
| 11:54.05 | noda | Hehehe, no, I just run WEP with an easy-to-guess password. But I feel safer at work knowing that you go through the extra steps :) |
| 11:55.40 | ||ugh | Gotta get folks to run this stuff. I would like to move the home of OE/OZ developemnt to the Free World and put it on an OE machine, which would make sence now that OZ is OE... Opps, name collision! Oh my aching forehead...me..want..to..be..a..neandertall..again... |
| 11:56.29 | noda | ||ugh: When you say "free world" do you mean not-bk? |
| 11:57.20 | ||ugh | Mostly I mean not the USSA, but I am not at all a fan of bk at this point either. |
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| 12:23.19 | ||ugh | Ok, maybe the OZ folks awake now will be more useful then the RZ folks awake now. How do I read the syslong on RZ? There is no logread and no logfiles either... |
| 12:23.59 | noda | What *is* RZ? :) |
| 12:24.15 | noda | Wild guess: dmesg? |
| 12:25.28 | ||ugh | Retail Zaurus, as opposed to Open Zaurus. |
| 12:25.30 | noda | Hey, how common is it for a client you've never met and have made NO legal agreement with to send you an advance? :) |
| 12:25.36 | yeiazel | oh, the Sharp ROM |
| 12:25.37 | noda | Ah, right. Dunno, don't know if you can at all :) |
| 12:26.25 | pb_ | I think syslogd is provided, but not running by default. |
| 12:26.30 | ||ugh | noda, your making me want to forget the RZ... then agian OZ is getting to the point where I REALLY want to forget the RZ in any case! |
| 12:26.49 | pb_ | So, you need to start it (with /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog start, or something), and it then deposits some logs in a bizarre subdirectory of /tmp. |
| 12:26.52 | ||ugh | Yes pb_, I can turn it on (and off) but not read the data... slight problem that. |
| 12:27.00 | ||ugh | AH! |
| 12:27.05 | ||ugh | Yes. |
| 12:27.07 | noda | ||ugh: Why is RZ necessary? :) |
| 12:29.52 | noda | ||ugh: btw, had an interview at Concordia on Monday. Don't think it went too well, but they're my last choice anyway. |
| 12:29.53 | ||ugh | It's not, but the WHOLE reason I started supporting Sharp was that the Z _shipped_ with Linux, and for the _average_ user that is the system they will be using on the Z, so I want them to be able to use FreeS/WAN. |
| 12:30.01 | noda | Ah, gotcha |
| 12:30.15 | noda | FreeS/WAN for the average user? Wow, that would be quite a feat :) |
| 12:30.37 | noda | (sorry if it's an insult. I had problems with FreeS/WAN installation a couple of years ago :P) |
| 12:30.38 | ||ugh | Well, then starting from the bottom and working up is good experance and should leave you all shapened up when you get to the good stuff! |
| 12:30.46 | noda | Hehehe |
| 12:31.42 | ||ugh | The whole point of FreeS/WAN is to get it to the point where it's like the FAX effect, everyone has one (though I don't have a FAX setup, I just LOVE proving rules by exception!). |
| 12:32.06 | noda | Hehehe |
| 12:32.27 | noda | What's FAX? |
| 12:32.40 | noda | Oh, the thing that sends paper over the phone lines, gotcha :P |
| 12:32.41 | ||ugh | The /tmp and /var/tmp leads panned out, no log file. |
| 12:33.09 | pHluid | Fax's are gay. :\ |
| 12:33.25 | ||ugh | ibot: tell noda to get the toner out of his head! |
| 12:33.32 | noda | How 'bout "the computer effect" -- this is the third millenium, faxes are dead! :) |
| 12:33.39 | pHluid | Slow, the quality sucks, requires a seperate dedicated machine, etc |
| 12:34.39 | noda | Hrm, this Bitstream Vera is quite nice. Though the Mono isn't as exciting as the others |
| 12:37.18 | pHluid | Is there any commercially available Ultra-WideBand equipment out there yet? |
| 12:38.28 | pHluid | The more I read on UWB, the more it looks like we can finally ditch all these hideous wireless standards and unify on a single wireless transmission type |
| 12:39.15 | pHluid | For voice, data, multimedia, etc |
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| 12:41.08 | ||ugh | pHluid, there is no UWB execept for our Lords Thugs (currently busy in Iraq...) as the Lords FCC have not approved such things for the Peons... Or last I looked. |
| 12:41.41 | pHluid | ugh: FCC approval was met a long time ago, they just hadn't rolled out the rules and regulations and blah blah blah on it |
| 12:41.47 | pHluid | But according to the UWB site they did that Feb |
| 12:41.59 | pHluid | *in Feb |
| 12:42.01 | ||ugh | Ah, missed that. |
| 12:42.34 | pHluid | But it wouldn't surprise me if a few manufacturers already had devices ready to go, like how there's always stuff out before it's standardized (802.11g) |
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| 12:45.24 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
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| 13:31.06 | noda | Moo! |
| 13:31.29 | noda | Compile error in buildroot: /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ |
| 13:31.33 | noda | in build/opie/bin/aqpkg |
| 13:31.44 | noda | Does that mean broken toolchain? |
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| 13:34.07 | FredZ | hello |
| 13:34.18 | FredZ | anyone alive in here? |
| 13:34.29 | noda | Ask your question :) |
| 13:34.45 | FredZ | is killefiz broke? |
| 13:35.09 | FredZ | I can't submit edits to apps |
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| 15:16.28 | dc_ | kergoth: ! |
| 15:16.37 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:16.57 | dc_ | kergoth: I've had a flashing fun time thismorning |
| 15:18.07 | pb_ | kergoth: morning |
| 15:18.16 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:21.23 | dc_ | kergoth: I think we need some more c700 stuff in the oz faq :} |
| 15:21.28 | kergoth | agreed |
| 15:21.32 | kergoth | submit some |
| 15:21.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:21.40 | dc_ | right. |
| 15:21.44 | dc_ | once I work out the right way. |
| 15:21.58 | dc_ | kergoth: aparently the zImage needs to be named zimage.bin on the cf, correct? |
| 15:22.38 | CuCullin | kergoth, quick ?... I'm going to use kitchensync at home, but at work, I need to use windows.... what software should I be using with oz+opie? |
| 15:23.47 | ljp_work | no, it needs to be zImage |
| 15:24.27 | dc_ | I'm torn between two worlds. |
| 15:24.51 | ljp_work | which two? |
| 15:25.01 | ljp_work | borg and humans? |
| 15:27.42 | kergoth | ljp_work: its zimage.bin for c700, b500/5600 |
| 15:28.23 | ljp_work | now, if someone would send me a 5600, I would have known that |
| 15:28.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:28.48 | dc_ | hah |
| 15:28.49 | dc_ | hehe |
| 15:29.32 | ljp_work | thats not a laughing matter |
| 15:30.02 | ljp_work | No Soup For You! Come back! One Year! |
| 15:30.11 | kergoth | but but.. i want soup! |
| 15:30.14 | kergoth | bastard |
| 15:30.19 | ljp_work | :) |
| 15:30.40 | kergoth | so anyone looked at the new qt/e yet, to check what changed? |
| 15:30.56 | ljp_work | the non beta? |
| 15:31.10 | kergoth | 2.3.5 |
| 15:31.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:32.03 | ljp_work | I may have downloaded it, but havent tried it |
| 15:32.12 | kergoth | not much for changes |
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| 15:32.26 | kergoth | - Added QWSServer::requestMarkedText() for inputmethods. |
| 15:32.28 | kergoth | eh |
| 15:32.42 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 15:32.48 | treke|laptop | mornin |
| 15:33.18 | zecke | kergoth: hmm |
| 15:34.07 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I pushed the new opie-sudo patch |
| 15:34.15 | kergoth | treke|laptop: okay, thanks |
| 15:34.17 | kergoth | zecke: ? |
| 15:34.23 | treke|laptop | so bipolar can stop wanting to kill me :) |
| 15:34.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:34.34 | zecke | 17:32 <@kergoth> - Added QWSServer::requestMarkedText() for inputmethods. |
| 15:34.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:34.39 | kergoth | just reading changes-2.3.5 |
| 15:34.44 | treke|laptop | kergoth: Do you know what the sharprom uses to denote an app that runs as root? |
| 15:35.00 | kergoth | treke|laptop: you mean the item in Config? i can check |
| 15:35.13 | kergoth | i'll reflash sharp in a few, i want to check a couple other things as well |
| 15:35.44 | treke|laptop | yeah. Right now I'm using the RunRoot proprty on the .desktop. but I'll update it to do it the way sharp does it |
| 15:36.04 | kergoth | k |
| 15:36.21 | zecke | kergoth: do you've a link? |
| 15:37.13 | kergoth | zecke: to the changes file? hold on.. http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/changes-2.3.5 |
| 15:37.19 | kergoth | zecke: the source is in the usual place |
| 15:37.22 | lsmith | so kergoth: do we all have to give sharp a hug now for prodiving that sd module? |
| 15:37.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:37.45 | kergoth | something like that |
| 15:38.01 | lsmith | :-) |
| 15:38.42 | treke|laptop | lsmith: no, we just dont curse their names quite as much as before |
| 15:38.56 | lsmith | oki |
| 15:39.45 | cynTop | it pisses me off when jobs require shit like "minimum 3 years experience in a healthcare business office environment" as if that matters |
| 15:40.13 | cynTop | like if I happened to be a receptionist there I'd suddenly be more qualified for the IT stuff they need done |
| 15:41.21 | pHluid | Well, you would be. :) |
| 15:42.12 | cynTop | not really |
| 15:42.32 | cynTop | any company with more than 20 ppl in a given location - their receptionists don't do squat company-specific |
| 15:42.37 | pHluid | Sure you would |
| 15:42.40 | pHluid | Enough to matter? No |
| 15:42.40 | cynTop | they already have a key, and know where the bathroom is |
| 15:42.56 | cynTop | it's no more qualification than you gain upon coming in for an interview :) |
| 15:43.10 | pHluid | Well |
| 15:43.15 | pHluid | I do IT in a hospital |
| 15:43.19 | cynTop | seeing as they would interview all likely candidates before hiring, logically there is no increase in qualifications |
| 15:43.25 | CuCullin | and zaurus is being flashed.... |
| 15:43.27 | treke|laptop | you may be more familiar with the time of restrictions on the environment. |
| 15:43.32 | cynTop | pHluid: st judes? |
| 15:43.55 | pHluid | and given the choice between somebody who had worked in a hospital and somebody who hadn't, but with otherwise identical qualifications, I'd probably lean more to the one who had worked in the environment before |
| 15:44.00 | pHluid | Heh, no. :) |
| 15:44.21 | cynTop | I'd go by who had a better outlook/personality |
| 15:44.32 | pHluid | I sure as hell wouldn't make it a *requirement* for the job |
| 15:44.36 | pHluid | But it would definately be an added bonus |
| 15:45.10 | cynTop | right |
| 15:45.14 | pHluid | There's some things that you would pick up just from working in an healthcare office that would carry over |
| 15:45.19 | pHluid | Like HIPAA guidelines and stuff |
| 15:45.37 | pHluid | But yeh, certainly not a big deal |
| 15:45.41 | cynTop | yeah that's the thing, I get pissed about these things being listed as requirements |
| 15:45.55 | cynTop | because if they have an HR department, they stick by that |
| 15:46.06 | cynTop | and 99 times out of ... I wanna say 99 but I'll go with 100 - they aren't |
| 15:46.09 | masticator | sup. |
| 15:46.14 | cynTop | hey mast |
| 15:46.22 | pHluid | I actually have never listed hard-set requirements when I've hired |
| 15:46.23 | cynTop | oh treke did you ever get your answer |
| 15:46.30 | pHluid | I always just say "experience in" whatever |
| 15:46.34 | cynTop | i did a find w/ -mtime and couldnt find it |
| 15:46.38 | cynTop | but I'll give it another go |
| 15:46.43 | pHluid | I don't demand certifications or X years experience with it or blah blah blah |
| 15:46.55 | pHluid | It's my job as the interviewer to determine how qualified a person is |
| 15:47.05 | cynTop | yeah I just look for someone with experience in the type of work |
| 15:47.30 | cynTop | so you'd be hard pressed as a support guy to get hired as a devel without proving it to me, but i'd listen |
| 15:47.33 | pHluid | I've met people who had been doing shit for 6 months that easily knew far more than somebody who'd been doing it 10 years |
| 15:47.38 | cynTop | yea |
| 15:47.41 | masticator | morning kergoth |
| 15:47.47 | treke|laptop | cynTop: no, I just implemented it my own way and will patch it later :) |
| 15:47.57 | treke|laptop | cynTop: kergoth is going to loo |
| 15:48.46 | kergoth | i'm going to loo? |
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| 15:49.34 | treke|laptop | look |
| 15:50.08 | treke|laptop | cynTop: was looking for the run as root setting, but couldnt find it |
| 15:50.45 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 15:50.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: here? |
| 15:50.51 | CuCullin | hrmm didnt work |
| 15:50.57 | CuCullin | I guess I'll try flashing again |
| 15:51.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 15:51.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 15:52.22 | CuCullin | kergoth, even if the lights stay on for a few, and its apparently flashing, it might not flash and could boot with the red sharp logo and halt? |
| 15:52.45 | kergoth | no |
| 15:52.52 | kergoth | but it could be flashing only the rootfs, and not the kernel |
| 15:52.55 | kergoth | which would result in that bheavior |
| 15:53.11 | kergoth | generally that'd happen if you didnt rename zimage, or you thought you did but really didnt due to osx/windows extension hiding |
| 15:53.28 | CuCullin | nope, I renamed it, and I always show the extension.... hrmm. |
| 15:53.36 | CuCullin | Well, we'll see what happens this time around |
| 15:53.51 | cynTop | wait i just saw something called priviledge.conf |
| 15:54.20 | cynTop | thats uh |
| 15:54.27 | cynTop | not useful tom e |
| 15:54.49 | cynTop | it's in hex whatever it is... rather, it's ascii storing hex values |
| 15:57.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new with oz feeds/unstable and .19 + sd from .18 ? |
| 15:57.44 | kergoth | havent done much in kernel space |
| 15:57.48 | kergoth | been doing user space and opie stuff |
| 15:59.20 | CuCullin | hrmm... redownloaded initrd.bin, and am using a different zImage (for the hell of it) |
| 15:59.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: was that mess with ipkg and unstable sorted out? |
| 15:59.45 | treke|laptop | damn it forgot my ipaq |
| 16:00.16 | CuCullin | both lights on again.... time to wait and see. Again. |
| 16:03.23 | CuCullin | ok to make sure I didnt miss anything. Downloaded, renamed zImage.bin, dropped in initrd.bin, both on an unmodified flash card I just got yesterday, popped it into a plugged in Z, set to replace battery, hold down c+d+full reset, let go, wait for lights to go out, press full reset, back to normal operation, turn it on. That covers it, right? |
| 16:03.58 | pHluid | CuCullin: you renamed it to just zImage right |
| 16:04.01 | pHluid | no extension? |
| 16:04.19 | CuCullin | zImage.bin.... I shouldnt have a .bin? |
| 16:04.23 | pHluid | Nope |
| 16:04.26 | pHluid | just zImage |
| 16:04.27 | CuCullin | well then, that explains it :) |
| 16:04.31 | ljp_work | depends on your device |
| 16:04.31 | pHluid | and initrd.bin |
| 16:05.03 | CuCullin | ok, now, zImage and initrd.bin.... lets try this again :) |
| 16:05.04 | ljp_work | <kergoth> ljp_work: its zimage.bin for c700, b500/5600 |
| 16:05.16 | CuCullin | i have 5500 |
| 16:05.39 | CuCullin | so zImage |
| 16:05.45 | CuCullin | k, flashing again |
| 16:09.32 | CuCullin | ahoi! pingizauru |
| 16:13.02 | lsmith | it aint no sailor! |
| 16:14.04 | CuCullin | Really? Looks like something is going in its mouth.... |
| 16:14.04 | CuCullin | ;) |
| 16:14.12 | CuCullin | Anyway, im all opie'd up, and ready for lunch |
| 16:14.13 | CuCullin | bbs |
| 16:31.15 | Twiun | afternoon folks |
| 16:31.38 | masticator | wazaaaa. |
| 16:31.41 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:31.56 | masticator | goth: whatcha workin on |
| 16:32.06 | kergoth | not getting canned |
| 16:32.10 | kergoth | having to not slack |
| 16:32.11 | kergoth | ehh |
| 16:32.12 | masticator | ah |
| 16:32.23 | masticator | yes, I hate that feeling |
| 16:32.33 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 16:32.35 | kergoth | not much else really |
| 16:32.53 | kergoth | people adding new packages to buildroot |
| 16:32.59 | kergoth | been spending time in user space and in opie code lately |
| 16:33.00 | Twiun | hey mast, keg, tre |
| 16:33.01 | masticator | cool. |
| 16:33.11 | masticator | opie code... interesting |
| 16:33.16 | masticator | you are a man of many talents |
| 16:33.29 | kergoth | more like, a man who spreads himself too thin |
| 16:33.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:33.38 | masticator | wheres my rom |
| 16:33.38 | noidd | how did the apprasal go? |
| 16:33.39 | masticator | lol |
| 16:33.42 | kergoth | exactly |
| 16:33.43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:33.53 | Twiun | masticator: made a hack for jeode to allow fullscreen windows |
| 16:34.09 | Twiun | masticator: and headless operation - no opie required |
| 16:34.17 | masticator | cool. |
| 16:34.41 | Twiun | masticator: gotta give it to my clients first, but after that it's gpl'd all the way |
| 16:36.55 | treke|laptop | kergoth: question, should we limit what apps osudo will run, or leave it open? |
| 16:37.24 | kergoth | treke|laptop: hmm |
| 16:37.42 | kergoth | probably best off adding the user to sudoers without limiting apps they can access |
| 16:37.48 | kergoth | otherwise RunRoot wont help much :) |
| 16:38.05 | treke|laptop | yup, |
| 16:38.08 | kergoth | speaking of which, treke|laptop, should we have the opie user manager add the user to sudoers, or have a checkbox for it? |
| 16:38.12 | kergoth | i'd think we should |
| 16:38.31 | treke|laptop | right now sudoers is set up to allow everyone |
| 16:38.41 | kergoth | hmmk |
| 16:38.45 | bipolar | kergoth: what needs to be done about this buildroot build error? |
| 16:38.46 | bipolar | make |
| 16:38.46 | kergoth | guess that works too |
| 16:38.46 | bipolar | Makefile:125: /mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/.depends: No such file or directory |
| 16:38.46 | bipolar | Generating dependency information... |
| 16:38.46 | bipolar | make: Circular packages/mtd <- packages/ipkg-utils dependency dropped. |
| 16:38.46 | bipolar | make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/packages/mtd' |
| 16:38.48 | bipolar | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/stamps/.mtd.sourcetree', needed by `/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/stamps/.mtd.binary'. Stop. |
| 16:38.51 | bipolar | make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/packages/mtd' |
| 16:38.53 | bipolar | make: *** [packages/mtd] Error 2 |
| 16:38.59 | kergoth | bipolar: uh, i have no idea. |
| 16:39.00 | bipolar | kergoth: This is from a fresh clone |
| 16:39.21 | kergoth | the sourcetrees rule is in Rules.make |
| 16:39.26 | kergoth | so i dont see how you could miss the rule |
| 16:39.50 | bipolar | my guess is that something is not synced with a working tree or something. |
| 16:40.14 | kergoth | doubtful. i'm doing a fresh clone now |
| 16:40.21 | kergoth | dood, nothing has changed in mtd in MONTHS |
| 16:40.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:40.42 | bipolar | ok, let me know. I've rm -rf'ed and cloned twice with the same result |
| 16:40.47 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I guess I could rewrite osudo to only run on Qtopia apps with the RunRoot option set |
| 16:41.12 | kergoth | treke|laptop: for what? just make applnk only call osudo if RunRoot is set |
| 16:41.35 | treke|laptop | right, but the osudo script will let anyone run anything as root |
| 16:41.51 | kergoth | the script shouldnt control access. |
| 16:41.54 | kergoth | opie, or sudo itself should |
| 16:41.55 | treke|laptop | ok. |
| 16:42.01 | kergoth | if we control access at all |
| 16:42.03 | kergoth | leave it open for now |
| 16:42.07 | kergoth | security is the least of our concerns |
| 16:43.21 | treke|laptop | oh well. it works for now |
| 16:43.39 | treke|laptop | I just need to fix it so it fails gracefully if sudo isnt there |
| 16:44.11 | kergoth | so will it run the app not as root if it fails to find sudo? |
| 16:44.14 | kergoth | or will it fail? |
| 16:44.32 | ljp_work | could someone please call Superman to slow the earths rotation for me. Thanks. |
| 16:44.34 | treke|laptop | right now it will fail. I think it should run the app not as root if it fails |
| 16:46.49 | kergoth | agreed |
| 16:46.57 | kergoth | bipolar: weird |
| 16:47.02 | kergoth | bipolar: i have no idea why its failing |
| 16:47.11 | kergoth | bipolar: stamp-source is defined, stamp-sourcetree is defined, one depends on the other |
| 16:47.15 | kergoth | i dont get it |
| 16:47.17 | kergoth | hrm |
| 16:47.23 | kergoth | i can work aorund it |
| 16:47.26 | kergoth | but i dont understand it |
| 16:49.50 | signal11 | is anyone here familiar with component video vs VGA? |
| 16:50.10 | signal11 | in particular, how hard is it to take a vga signal and make it do 480p or 720p |
| 16:50.21 | signal11 | i have the modelines already |
| 16:51.20 | pb_ | signal11: don't really understand what it is you're trying to do. |
| 16:53.43 | noidd | lets see if i can get some packages up today |
| 16:53.48 | pb_ | go noidd! |
| 16:54.18 | noidd | of course, gtkfb would be even more divine |
| 16:54.21 | noidd | :-) |
| 16:54.24 | bipolar | kergoth: whats the workaround? I haven't been able to do a good build for a long time. |
| 16:54.58 | pb_ | noidd: I guess once gtk/x11 is working, gtkfb should be relatively easy. |
| 16:56.00 | noidd | IU guess |
| 16:56.11 | noidd | I need working x11 libraries before I can continue |
| 16:56.14 | noidd | so i'll keep at it |
| 16:56.29 | pb_ | ah, I thought xfree86 was already working. |
| 16:56.35 | noidd | it is |
| 16:56.39 | noidd | just not on my machine yet :-) |
| 16:56.39 | signal11 | pb_: ok i have a set top box pc with a vga connector |
| 16:56.46 | pb_ | noidd: ah, heh |
| 16:56.47 | treke|laptop | oh great. not only is it an out of the office reply to a mailing post. |
| 16:56.50 | signal11 | i want to hook it up to a TV with component video |
| 16:57.00 | treke|laptop | it's a german out of the office reply to a mailing list post |
| 16:57.23 | signal11 | do i just have to find the right 3 wires from the vga connector, or will i need an expensive adapter |
| 16:58.41 | pb_ | signal11: if your vga card can produce a frame rate that is acceptable to the tv, a passive adapter would work. |
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| 17:04.38 | noda | kergoth: Moo |
| 17:05.20 | noda | kergoth: Heeeeeeeelllllllllp :)... is the OZ toolchain supposed to have a libstdc++.so? Or only libstdc++.a? |
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| 17:08.54 | noda | kergoth: Well, I'm getting linking errors (/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++) for aqpkg... if you aren't busy, could you please give me a shout? :) |
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| 17:22.22 | kergoth | bipolar: bk pull, that particular issue should b efixed |
| 17:25.07 | kergoth | i have no idea what toolchain you're referring to. |
| 17:25.41 | noda | kergoth: The one at openzaurus.org/official |
| 17:25.47 | noda | Um... the most recent. April 6th. |
| 17:25.49 | kergoth | 'the one' |
| 17:25.51 | kergoth | are you on crack? |
| 17:25.54 | noda | 2.95.3 |
| 17:25.54 | kergoth | okay, fine |
| 17:25.55 | noda | :) |
| 17:26.07 | noda | -2 |
| 17:26.14 | kergoth | find /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 -name libstdc++\* |
| 17:26.18 | noda | Erm, 1.2. Or something |
| 17:26.38 | noda | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux/lib/libstdc++.a.2.10.0 |
| 17:26.38 | noda | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.3/libstdc++.a |
| 17:26.53 | kergoth | so its right there. |
| 17:26.57 | kergoth | in the default toolchain link path |
| 17:27.01 | noda | Why is ld bailing then? |
| 17:27.28 | noda | /usr/local/bin/ccache arm-linux-gcc -L/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/build/opie/lib -L/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4/lib -L/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/output/staging/target/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/output/staging/target/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/output/staging/target/lib -Wl,-rpath=/opt/QtPalmtop/lib -o /usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/build/opie/bin/aqpkg mainwin.o datamgr.o mem.o settingsimpl. |
| 17:27.28 | noda | n.o package.o installdlgimpl.o instoptionsimpl.o destination.o utils.o server.o letterpushbutton.o inputdlg.o version.o categoryfilterimpl.o moc_mainwin.o moc_datamgr.o moc_settingsimpl.o moc_ipkg.o moc_installdlgimpl.o moc_instoptionsimpl.o moc_letterpushbutton.o |
| 17:27.28 | noda | moc_inputdlg.o moc_categoryfilterimpl.o -Wl,-rpath,/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/build/opie/lib -L/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/build/opie/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4/lib -L/usr/src/bk/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.4/lib -lqpe -lopie -lstdc++ -lqte |
| 17:27.34 | noda | (sorry 'bout spam) |
| 17:27.51 | noda | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ |
| 17:27.58 | kergoth | it doesnt matter what the commandline is |
| 17:28.06 | kergoth | that dir is in the link path no matter what you specify |
| 17:28.11 | kergoth | its in the link path implicitly |
| 17:28.18 | noda | Okay, I figured that. |
| 17:28.18 | kergoth | regardless, thkat toolchain is old, i just havent had time to upload the new one |
| 17:28.27 | noda | Okay, so the toolchain is broken? |
| 17:28.32 | kergoth | dont know |
| 17:28.37 | kergoth | i havent used it in weeks |
| 17:28.54 | noda | If it's gotten as far as aqpkg, doesn't that mean qte compiled fine? And that uses -lstdc++, doesn't it? |
| 17:29.00 | kergoth | no. |
| 17:29.08 | kergoth | afaik anyway |
| 17:29.13 | noda | Okay |
| 17:29.30 | noda | So I'll just keep watching for a new toolchain and bug you later then :) |
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| 17:33.13 | bipolar | kergoth: building... Thanks! |
| 17:33.19 | kergoth | np |
| 17:33.22 | kergoth | that was a weird ass bug |
| 17:33.26 | kergoth | no idea where it came from or why |
| 17:33.28 | bipolar | heh |
| 17:33.34 | bipolar | arn't they all? |
| 17:33.36 | masticator | lol |
| 17:33.42 | masticator | "are you on crack?" |
| 17:33.47 | masticator | that should be our motto |
| 17:33.53 | noda | Actually, I wrote a perfectly simple bug yesterday. It was great :) |
| 17:33.59 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 17:34.06 | noda | Looked at the code today and went, "Duh." Then wrote a hackish workaround :) |
| 17:34.17 | bipolar | hahah |
| 17:34.22 | noda | A clear and simple bug! I was thrilled :) |
| 17:34.54 | CuCullin | odd. I install the mediaplayer2 codec, and now im trying to install mediaplayer2, and it wont install |
| 17:35.04 | noda | CuCullin: Install libxine1 |
| 17:35.26 | noda | Then opieplayer2 (or opie-mediaplayer2 or whatever) |
| 17:35.38 | noda | Alternatively, give us an error message :) |
| 17:35.38 | pHluid | Yah, need to install libxine, libogg, libmad, and omm... something else. |
| 17:35.42 | CuCullin | well, since I can't use a feed... where can I get it from |
| 17:35.50 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:35.54 | kergoth | you can get it just fine from a feed |
| 17:36.06 | pHluid | Just download it from the feed... and sftp it to the Z |
| 17:36.07 | kergoth | download it and install it locally worst case |
| 17:36.09 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:36.10 | CuCullin | yeah, but then I have to browse through for it =P |
| 17:36.18 | pHluid | Cry me a river :P |
| 17:36.19 | kergoth | right, your laziness isnt my problem |
| 17:36.24 | kergoth | i have my own laziness to be worried about |
| 17:36.37 | CuCullin | eh, maybe ill just start setting something simple up on my site |
| 17:36.38 | pHluid | Your other option would be to get ICS working or get a CF nic |
| 17:36.48 | pHluid | OR |
| 17:36.58 | pHluid | You can install and FTP server on your host pc |
| 17:37.01 | pHluid | use wget to mirror the feed |
| 17:37.06 | pHluid | and then you've got your own feed :) |
| 17:37.21 | kergoth | or you can mirror the feed on a card |
| 17:37.24 | kergoth | and put a Packages file there |
| 17:37.27 | pHluid | How big is the feed? |
| 17:37.27 | noda | That's what I was gonna suggest |
| 17:37.34 | kergoth | and echo 'src local file:/mnt/card' >> /etc/ipkg.conf or what have you |
| 17:37.34 | noda | pHluid: Big :) |
| 17:37.42 | pHluid | I can't imagine it's like huge or anything |
| 17:37.49 | pHluid | 100mb *tops* I'd bet |
| 17:37.55 | noda | Probably bigger |
| 17:37.56 | CuCullin | eh, I have to buy the replacement wifi card anyway, but im doing that tomorrow when i pic up another CE-AG06 |
| 17:38.05 | masticator | WHOA |
| 17:38.14 | masticator | major, major hit to gnome |
| 17:38.15 | pHluid | You think? I mean, most of the packages are only a couple hundred l |
| 17:38.21 | pHluid | k |
| 17:38.24 | noda | Maybe not... |
| 17:38.24 | masticator | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/16/2016221 |
| 17:38.33 | masticator | oh this is bad, bad for the gnome folks |
| 17:38.38 | masticator | that will kill ximian for sure |
| 17:38.42 | kergoth | $ du -s -S |
| 17:38.46 | kergoth | 51492 .\ |
| 17:38.51 | kergoth | its 51megs. |
| 17:38.54 | noda | I just find it so unbelievable that the entire buildroot takes up so many gig of space... and the feed is so small :) |
| 17:39.00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:39.12 | noda | masticator: How much has HP put into GNOME? |
| 17:39.19 | masticator | a shitload |
| 17:39.22 | kergoth | masticator: ouch |
| 17:39.30 | masticator | put it this way |
| 17:39.40 | masticator | ximian for the most part has stayed alive because of Sun and HP |
| 17:39.53 | noda | Heh, and GNOME stays alive because of ximian :) |
| 17:39.57 | masticator | virutally all gnome funding has come from those 2 companies |
| 17:40.10 | pHluid | Man, I'd bet this feed isn't even close to 100mb |
| 17:40.11 | noda | What about IBM? |
| 17:40.11 | masticator | looks like KDE is definitely the wave |
| 17:40.15 | pHluid | The biggest thing in here is 2.1mb |
| 17:40.18 | noda | pHluid: kergoth just said, 50 meg |
| 17:40.20 | masticator | IBM hasnt put any money into the desktop |
| 17:40.21 | pHluid | the vast majority are under 500k |
| 17:40.21 | masticator | zilch |
| 17:40.22 | masticator | all server |
| 17:40.23 | kergoth | pHluid: i just told you |
| 17:40.23 | pHluid | oh, didn't see it |
| 17:40.24 | pHluid | :) |
| 17:40.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:40.29 | noda | Damn. I prefer GNOME. |
| 17:40.36 | noda | Wait a sec... who puts money into KDE? |
| 17:41.27 | pHluid | yeh, I'm definately mirroring the feed locally |
| 17:41.32 | pHluid | screw ICS. :) |
| 17:41.42 | treke|laptop | noda: trolltech and tkc put some money into it. |
| 17:41.49 | treke|laptop | noda: not on the level of ibm and sun though :) |
| 17:41.54 | noda | Yeah, but nowhere on the scale of HP/Sun... |
| 17:41.59 | masticator | noda: indirectly the companies that are pro SusE |
| 17:42.01 | masticator | like IBM |
| 17:42.12 | masticator | trolltech is the primary investor in kde |
| 17:42.19 | masticator | IBM put about 20 million into trolltech |
| 17:42.20 | treke|laptop | although qt really has donated a lot to kde in scale |
| 17:42.35 | noda | Okay, but KDE at the moment (or, well, yesterday) has less money being infused into it than GNOME, no? |
| 17:42.45 | masticator | well |
| 17:42.49 | masticator | I wouldnt say that |
| 17:42.57 | masticator | SuSE remember is huge |
| 17:43.07 | noda | I guess... |
| 17:43.09 | masticator | and many of the KDE developers work for SuSE |
| 17:43.19 | masticator | SuSE is the preferred linux distro for IBM |
| 17:43.49 | noda | Well, I don't really see GNOME development *stopping* because of HP. |
| 17:44.15 | masticator | no, but it cant help. |
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| 17:44.30 | masticator | and without Ximian it will lose a lot of steam. |
| 17:44.40 | masticator | also, Jim Getty's dudes. |
| 17:44.51 | masticator | they will now have to reprioritize. |
| 17:45.04 | noda | Hell, *I*'d donate money to Ximian if it'd help :) |
| 17:47.51 | armenb | hi |
| 17:48.20 | armenb | I'm an openzaurus user who has upgraded from one version of OZ to the next a couple times already |
| 17:48.21 | treke|laptop | now if qt were to go lgpl, it might have problems :) |
| 17:48.35 | noda | Heh |
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| 17:48.45 | noda | Is gtk/glib lgpl? I forget |
| 17:48.49 | treke|laptop | yup |
| 17:48.58 | armenb | and i found the ipkg-link command to add stuff I installed on /mnt/card, etc, to my package list |
| 17:49.00 | CuCullain | oh ffs, the damn PoS router. |
| 17:49.05 | CuCullain | its 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:49.28 | pHluid | CuCullain: Hrm? |
| 17:49.33 | armenb | would the OZ maintainers consider doing this on configuration of a new OZ installation? or leave it as an option? |
| 17:49.50 | kergoth | armenb: not possible. |
| 17:49.57 | armenb | oh. |
| 17:50.01 | kergoth | armenb: as not all users will have the sd or cf card mounted at first boot time |
| 17:50.12 | kergoth | armenb: and if they're not mounted, obviously ipkg-link isnt going to do a damn thing |
| 17:50.26 | armenb | i see |
| 17:50.32 | armenb | shrug, :) |
| 17:50.44 | kergoth | we can add a tap+hold menu to cardmon, in which you can relink medias and format them |
| 17:50.48 | kergoth | which is what i want to see happen |
| 17:51.00 | kergoth | which obviously would make it easier |
| 17:51.00 | CuCullain | pHluid, thats why I cant use ICS. It defaults to 192.168.0.1... I would have to change the settings on the router first. |
| 17:51.10 | pHluid | Cu: Um. No. |
| 17:51.19 | kergoth | CuCullain: if you already have a box doing NAT, just enable forwarding. screw ICS. |
| 17:51.34 | pHluid | Cu: When you enable ICS, it will set the Zaurus network ip to 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:51.40 | pHluid | You can either put your Z on that subnet |
| 17:51.45 | pHluid | or go back to the properties and change the IP |
| 17:51.46 | kergoth | good point |
| 17:51.53 | treke|laptop | ~lart mutt |
| 17:52.02 | kergoth | personally i stick to using winproxy with transparent proxying when i'm stuck in windows |
| 17:52.05 | pHluid | You don't change anything with the router |
| 17:52.07 | kergoth | (which isnt often) |
| 17:52.31 | noda | I just bring over some spare parts and build a router :P |
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| 17:52.55 | pHluid | kergoth: The USB driver in OZ, is it provided by Sharp? Or is it a newer one? |
| 17:53.07 | kergoth | what? |
| 17:53.10 | noda | motherboard/floppy/cpu/memory, 2 network cards (or for the Z, 1 network card and USB) |
| 17:53.19 | kergoth | the Z side usb driver has nothing to do with what driver you use on the desktop |
| 17:53.26 | pHluid | kergoth: I know |
| 17:53.27 | kergoth | you can use usbdnet, usbnet, whatever |
| 17:53.31 | kergoth | so what are you asking? |
| 17:53.33 | pHluid | I'm asking who developed the Z side driver :) |
| 17:53.36 | kergoth | Lineo |
| 17:53.43 | kergoth | its the USBD stack |
| 17:53.56 | kergoth | but we wont be using it for long |
| 17:54.01 | pHluid | Thank god. |
| 17:54.02 | kergoth | it has some serious timing issues |
| 17:54.12 | pHluid | It's got serious issues, period. :) |
| 17:54.16 | kergoth | not really. |
| 17:54.23 | kergoth | in general its a solid usb device stack |
| 17:54.38 | kergoth | the code is incomprehensible, and the hotplug events have timing issues |
| 17:54.42 | kergoth | beyond that, it works just fine. |
| 17:54.43 | pHluid | Maybe it's sharp's driver on the desktop side |
| 17:54.46 | pHluid | But it flakes a lot |
| 17:54.48 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:55.07 | pHluid | And it doesn't seem to handle disconnects/reconnects very gracefully at all |
| 17:55.08 | noda | Yeah, a LOT, I noticed that when I was on Windows/Sharp ROM |
| 17:56.04 | pHluid | I can seriously type out ifdown usbd0 on the multikey without looking. :\ |
| 17:56.31 | kergoth | having to ifdown then ifup after inserting to the cradle is the aforementioned hotplug timing bug |
| 17:56.34 | Twiun | is it possible to programmatically get a list of functions in a lib? (assuming it's not stripped of course) |
| 17:56.55 | kergoth | Twiun: programmatically? well, you could use libelf i'm sure.. beyond that, dunno |
| 17:57.11 | pHluid | kergoth: I take it there's a replacement driver already under way, then? Or is that a slated-to-begin project |
| 17:57.20 | Twiun | kergoth: I was thinking of enumerating functions in a lib from the lib's _init method |
| 17:57.23 | kergoth | its been done |
| 17:57.25 | Twiun | erm, function even |
| 17:57.37 | kergoth | david brownell has a new usb device stack |
| 17:57.39 | kergoth | its very well done |
| 17:57.49 | kergoth | but needs support for the pxa and sa1110 udc |
| 17:58.23 | cynTop | there's a WINDOWS ROM! |
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| 18:00.44 | pHluid | kergoth: Any clue how well the Socket ethernet cards work? |
| 18:01.07 | bipolar | why on earth would buildroot be trying to download 2.4.18 kernel headers? |
| 18:01.19 | kergoth`lunch | bipolar: just leave it alone. its by design. |
| 18:01.35 | pHluid | I know Socket support is generally considered very good in OZ, just assume that that generally refers to WiFi, not sure if that includes the ethernet |
| 18:01.40 | bipolar | kergoth`lunch: well... it's failing. The host is down. heh |
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| 18:03.20 | pHluid | Also, is there a known issue with mknod in OZ 3.2? |
| 18:03.23 | treke|laptop | how well does the wcf12 work? |
| 18:03.27 | treke|laptop | pHluid: yes there is |
| 18:03.31 | pHluid | 'k |
| 18:03.41 | treke|laptop | my wcf11 has gotten rather mangled :) |
| 18:03.54 | pHluid | I ended up solving it by killing the symlink to busybox and putting a real copy of mknod on there |
| 18:04.01 | pHluid | just wondered if it was a known issue |
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| 18:18.16 | midway | hi all |
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| 18:19.37 | CuCullain | well its half working now. |
| 18:19.55 | midway | what? |
| 18:20.04 | CuCullain | my net connection through the Z |
| 18:20.14 | midway | ah ok |
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| 18:26.51 | pHluid | Cu: Half working how? Can talk between the host/Z but not ICS? |
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| 18:34.02 | CuCullin | pHluid, it can resolve ip's but not ping them |
| 18:34.07 | CuCullin | oddly enough... |
| 18:34.10 | pHluid | Er |
| 18:34.11 | pHluid | That's weird |
| 18:34.13 | CuCullin | yup |
| 18:34.17 | pHluid | Are you sure the IP' |
| 18:34.23 | CuCullin | yep, I double checked it |
| 18:34.24 | pHluid | ...'s your trying to ping accept pings? |
| 18:34.32 | CuCullin | I tried out 2 of my servers |
| 18:34.47 | pHluid | ping www.google.com from the Z |
| 18:34.49 | pHluid | and see what happens |
| 18:34.59 | XavierXeon | what about traceroute ? (if installed) |
| 18:35.32 | treke|laptop | god I'm going to kill someone if they dont move these sandwiches |
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| 18:35.52 | CuCullin | i will in a minute |
| 18:36.04 | midway | sandwiches? |
| 18:37.34 | CuCullin | ugh now usb is showing as disconnected |
| 18:37.54 | CuCullin | forget it, ill do it later |
| 18:45.44 | kergoth | building images really blows when you have to download the whole feed .. hmm |
| 18:52.52 | CuCullin | ok, now I get a reply |
| 18:53.01 | CuCullin | now, shouldnt I see the feed when i go to packages? |
| 18:53.11 | kergoth | you have to enable it. |
| 18:53.13 | kergoth | go into config |
| 18:53.31 | CuCullin | I did, I checked stable off as active |
| 18:53.44 | kergoth | then you ran Update feeds in the menu? |
| 18:53.55 | kergoth | then packages will be in the feed when you select it in the dropdown |
| 18:53.57 | CuCullin | yup |
| 18:54.21 | CuCullin | something still has to be f'd up in the network config.... brb |
| 18:54.36 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 18:54.52 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 18:55.16 | CuCullin | ah! got it. Much better :) Now, what did I need for opieplayer again? |
| 18:55.29 | kergoth | op1 or op2? |
| 18:55.35 | CuCullin | 2 |
| 18:56.02 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 18:56.03 | kergoth | libxine1 |
| 18:56.08 | kergoth | then op2 itself |
| 18:56.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nada, cant slack off at work anymore |
| 18:56.23 | TheMasterMind1 | tjat sicls |
| 18:56.26 | kergoth | yea |
| 18:58.03 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks even |
| 18:58.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't find my glasses |
| 18:58.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't see |
| 18:58.26 | ciaolinux | kergoth: are you still working on the kernel? |
| 18:58.38 | kergoth | not at the moment, but i will be |
| 18:59.03 | ciaolinux | kergoth: what is the situation with the ts for the kernel? |
| 18:59.13 | kergoth | dont know |
| 18:59.17 | kergoth | havent touched it in months |
| 19:00.12 | TheMasterMind1 | we were messing with the magic numbers stuff |
| 19:00.15 | TheMasterMind1 | but never got it working |
| 19:00.48 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz_: gret job with getting that SD module |
| 19:01.14 | treke|laptop | indeed |
| 19:01.24 | treke|laptop | drinks are on me next time your out my way |
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| 19:02.01 | ciaolinux | SD module? does it mean that the problem with SD is gone for the new kernel? |
| 19:02.06 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 19:02.11 | TheMasterMind1 | we got a binary module from sharp |
| 19:02.16 | ciaolinux | TheMasterMind1: cool |
| 19:02.21 | kergoth | as the openzaurus.org news page says. |
| 19:02.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:02.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: is unstable fixed now? |
| 19:02.26 | ciaolinux | so is the ts the only real problem? |
| 19:02.41 | TheMasterMind1 | and keyboard |
| 19:02.44 | TheMasterMind1 | and some small things |
| 19:02.49 | TheMasterMind1 | irda, power button, etc |
| 19:02.52 | kergoth | keyboard works, just needs a couple minor bits |
| 19:02.58 | TheMasterMind1 | shouldn't take long, ts is the big thing right now |
| 19:03.03 | kergoth | power button is fine, i'm going to force userspace to hadnle it |
| 19:03.05 | ciaolinux | nice |
| 19:03.13 | kergoth | I started fixing it so the battery switch works |
| 19:03.23 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
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| 19:09.54 | treke|laptop | someone wack me wth a motivation stick |
| 19:10.52 | ljp | it's called a joint |
| 19:10.58 | treke|laptop | been staring at this code for an hour. havent changed on thing though |
| 19:11.08 | kergoth | ljp: no, thats a demotivation stick |
| 19:11.14 | ljp | I've been staring at the helix code for a week |
| 19:11.17 | kergoth | ljp: unless you count searching for munchies motivation |
| 19:11.21 | ljp | not for me... |
| 19:11.41 | ljp | I get inspired to create |
| 19:12.49 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:13.40 | ljp | thats _if_ I ever would smoke it... |
| 19:13.47 | treke|laptop | <ljp> ... create a sandwich |
| 19:15.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:15.56 | treke|laptop | ljp: so you're not a pot smoking sandle wearing long haired hippy? |
| 19:16.07 | ljp | not anymore |
| 19:16.35 | ljp | I'm a pistol packin', cowboy hat wearing american! yyyeeeehhhaaa! |
| 19:16.47 | treke|laptop | cool |
| 19:16.47 | pHluid | I liked you better as a hippy. |
| 19:17.08 | ljp | :D |
| 19:17.28 | ljp | well, real work calls.. bbl |
| 19:18.25 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: yo |
| 19:18.34 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 19:18.46 | mickeyl | g'evening |
| 19:18.55 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: give tim riker an email. he had some licensing questions for you on libopie2 |
| 19:19.16 | mickeyl | treke|home: k. got an email address handy? |
| 19:19.26 | treke|laptop | tim@rikers.org? |
| 19:19.29 | treke|laptop | ibot BZFlag? |
| 19:19.30 | | [bzflag] mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming |
| 19:19.57 | mickeyl | k |
| 19:20.53 | mickeyl | just added zile to our buildroot (on a request of a friend) |
| 19:21.08 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: he wanted to see about keeping gpl bits out of it |
| 19:21.11 | treke|laptop | ibot lart zakk |
| 19:21.36 | kergoth | zile? |
| 19:21.36 | mickeyl | treke|laptop: why / what would that mean? |
| 19:21.45 | mickeyl | kergoth: lightweight emacs clone |
| 19:21.48 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:22.30 | treke|laptop | mickeyl: future commercial usage. Right now you've got bits of qt plus something else in there that's GPL |
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| 19:24.39 | mickeyl | treke|laptop: ok - will discuss with him |
| 19:29.03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:39.34 | ccamp | has anyone streamed a playlist on their Z? |
| 19:40.03 | kergoth | treke|laptop: man, installs into an image following deps is funny |
| 19:40.08 | kergoth | treke|laptop: found 4 dependency bugs so far |
| 19:40.12 | kergoth | treke|laptop: in variou spackages |
| 19:40.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:40.28 | mickeyl | kergoth: got a chance to split up libc yet? I'd like to build an image again |
| 19:40.41 | treke|laptop | kergoth: yeah. I've got some laso |
| 19:40.41 | kergoth | nah but i did rip out the i18n and locale stuff |
| 19:40.47 | mickeyl | ah good |
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| 19:46.10 | Moliere | looks like dupeipkchehk fails when I make image... |
| 19:46.18 | kergoth | works fine here |
| 19:46.20 | Moliere | do you have any idea why? |
| 19:46.23 | kergoth | i just built one. |
| 19:46.26 | kergoth | not 30 seconds ago |
| 19:46.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:46.49 | Moliere | Removing duplicate ipks... |
| 19:46.49 | Moliere | /usr/local/buildroot-oz/output/../scripts/dupecheck /usr/local/buildroot-oz/output/../output/ipks |
| 19:46.49 | Moliere | make: *** [/usr/local/buildroot-oz/output/../output/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ipkg.control] Error 1 |
| 19:46.50 | mickeyl | hmmm tinylogin.busybox.net[198.88.216.23]:80 is down... |
| 19:47.04 | kergoth | Moliere: that doesnt tell me anything |
| 19:47.10 | kergoth | Moliere: you do have perl installed, right? |
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| 19:49.09 | Moliere | what does dupeipkcheck do? |
| 19:49.22 | kergoth | it checks for .. duplicate ipks |
| 19:49.39 | kergoth | moves old versions of packages out of the way |
| 19:51.37 | kergoth | masticator: okay i'm building another 5600 image |
| 20:00.48 | Moliere | ok... actually everything is fine with dupeipkcheck |
| 20:01.17 | Moliere | make fails with $(OUTPUT_DIR)/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ipkg.control |
| 20:02.05 | Moliere | but I can't find this dependency in the makefiles |
| 20:02.24 | Moliere | the dep is in jffs2image |
| 20:02.31 | kergoth | does output/build/bin/ipkg exist? |
| 20:02.38 | kergoth | does output/ipks/Packages exist? |
| 20:03.41 | Moliere | I have a bunch of ipks in /ipks |
| 20:03.45 | kergoth | i didnt ask that. |
| 20:03.51 | Moliere | Package? |
| 20:03.53 | pHluid | Why is the door over the data port on the bottom of the Z such a pain the ass to close. |
| 20:03.57 | Moliere | no |
| 20:04.25 | kergoth | did i say Package? |
| 20:04.26 | kergoth | no |
| 20:04.28 | kergoth | i didnt |
| 20:04.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:06.48 | Moliere | when you say output/build do you mean build/ ? |
| 20:07.16 | kergoth | Moliere: doh, no, i meant output/staging/build/bin/ipkg |
| 20:09.15 | kergoth | Moliere: bk pull; bk -r co -q; make image |
| 20:09.35 | Moliere | i did that an hour ago |
| 20:09.41 | kergoth | do it again. |
| 20:12.03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 20:13.54 | Moliere | kergoth: interesting... |
| 20:15.29 | Moliere | kergoth: it still fails at the same place :) |
| 20:15.41 | kergoth | works jsut flawlessly here. |
| 20:15.43 | kergoth | I need more information. |
| 20:15.51 | kergoth | i've built 3 images i nthe past hour |
| 20:15.52 | Moliere | what are .control for? |
| 20:16.01 | kergoth | i dont have time to explain how ipkg works. |
| 20:16.16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:16.28 | kergoth | $(OUTPUT_DIR)/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ipkg.control will exist when ipkg has installed ipkg_blah.ipk into output/rootfs. |
| 20:16.45 | asys3 | kergoth: must say it was the best day for me today read the news about sharp's sd module - had so many talks to sharp representaives so far... |
| 20:17.49 | krezel | asys3: Whats up with the SD module? Did Sharp finally give the OZ guys a 2.4.not sucky version? |
| 20:17.49 | Moliere | kergoth: thanks kergoth. I'll try to figure out what's going on. |
| 20:18.11 | asys3 | krezel: www.openzaurus.org |
| 20:18.20 | kergoth | Moliere: np, keep me posted. add some echo's t othe makefile rules, see if you can isolate the problem |
| 20:18.24 | kergoth | krezel: www.openzaurus.org |
| 20:18.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:18.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:18.33 | asys3 | :-) |
| 20:18.34 | krezel | Fuck yeah! |
| 20:18.47 | krezel | Thats awesome |
| 20:19.09 | krezel | kergoth: Were you the head social-engineer on that victory? |
| 20:19.46 | asys3 | kergoth: you wrote:"beta sd driver" - does that mean they will continue work on the driver ? |
| 20:21.17 | asys3 | i see kergoth is tired answering all these sd card questions ... |
| 20:21.51 | TheMasterMind1 | krezel: killefiz_ did that |
| 20:22.10 | TheMasterMind1 | sharp wanted zsi database, he asked for sd driver before he would give it to them |
| 20:22.56 | Neo|Work | kergoth: eggsellent |
| 20:23.27 | kergoth | asys3: what? |
| 20:23.34 | kergoth | asys3: i dont say anything about beta in the announcement. |
| 20:24.26 | Neo|Work | I still find it funny how "testing" is older than "stable" :) |
| 20:24.44 | kergoth | yeah, noda needs to fix that |
| 20:24.49 | asys3 | kergoth: sorry - i missunderstood... sounds like beta. |
| 20:24.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:25.08 | midway|away | thank you killefiz_ :-) |
| 20:26.05 | asys3 | but it is one binary module - or do we have a binary module and a source part wich can be compiled against other kernels as well ? |
| 20:26.14 | kergoth | no. |
| 20:26.16 | kergoth | its a single binarym odule |
| 20:26.22 | kergoth | but 2.4.x wont be changing enough to break it going forward |
| 20:26.52 | kergoth | now we wont have a real option for 2.5.x/2.6, but .. |
| 20:26.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:27.17 | midway | *g* |
| 20:27.34 | asys3 | so you got a 2.4.18 module and it will work under 2.4.19-rmk7-cl1 but no more... it's a step ! |
| 20:27.36 | kergoth | I should work on 2.5.x again soon, and push the collie support to rmk |
| 20:27.45 | kergoth | asys3: what 'more' would we need? |
| 20:27.47 | kergoth | asys3: heh |
| 20:28.06 | kergoth | asys3: that module will almost certainly work for every 2.4.x release that occurs.. and there wont be many more |
| 20:29.30 | asys3 | kergoth: That's not what I mean - I saw some modules that have these parts that can be compiled - so don't need support on newer kernels... |
| 20:29.33 | cynTop | mmmm gossip is humorous http://tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20030319/104808600007.html |
| 20:29.42 | CuCullin | oz seems to be halting quite a bit |
| 20:29.54 | kergoth | CuCullin: what? |
| 20:30.04 | kergoth | asys3: what newer kernels are you talking about? |
| 20:30.17 | kergoth | asys3: i'm telling you there wont be any that we would need that for, other than 2.5.x/2.56 |
| 20:30.19 | CuCullin | keeps freezing up on me, forcing me to do a soft reset |
| 20:30.22 | kergoth | s/56$/5/ |
| 20:30.30 | kergoth | CuCullin: stop suspending and resuming on the cradle |
| 20:30.38 | kergoth | CuCullin: thast hte imfamous bug |
| 20:30.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:30.44 | CuCullin | ah :) |
| 20:30.56 | kergoth | its fixed now |
| 20:31.02 | kergoth | install usbd-common when you see it in the feeds |
| 20:31.12 | CuCullin | k |
| 20:32.02 | asys3 | kergoth: that's what I mean - >=2.5.x no sharp support needed if we could recompile - I'm not angry - I only don't understand Sharp. |
| 20:32.11 | kergoth | asys3: yeah, i dont get it either |
| 20:34.38 | CuCullin | ugh, and again usbd0 is f'd up |
| 20:34.49 | CuCullin | usb is pissing me off. |
| 20:34.55 | kergoth | usb pisses most people off |
| 20:34.58 | kergoth | the Z desktop drivers suck in general |
| 20:35.06 | kergoth | and the Z side usb drivers suck too |
| 20:35.07 | kergoth | just less |
| 20:35.27 | CuCullin | that seems to be where the problem is in this case... seen from the pc, the z doesnt see a connection |
| 20:35.40 | krezel | Did they release the source, or just a module? |
| 20:36.00 | kergoth | module. |
| 20:36.02 | kergoth | binary only module |
| 20:36.06 | kergoth | exactly what the news page says. |
| 20:36.19 | krezel | heh... |
| 20:36.24 | krezel | sorry |
| 20:36.30 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:01.01 | masticator | whazzup |
| 21:07.03 | _Psycho | yo |
| 21:09.24 | TheMasterMind1 | can i safely upgrade to unstable? |
| 21:09.30 | kergoth | define safe |
| 21:11.01 | midway | *g* |
| 21:15.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh. is it better than it was when ipkg killed everything |
| 21:16.10 | kergoth | it should be usable, theoretically |
| 21:16.13 | kergoth | but i'd recommend waiting |
| 21:16.13 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 21:16.16 | kergoth | for an updated ipkg |
| 21:16.18 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
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| 21:25.37 | CuCullin | kergoth, doesnt op2 play through the buzzer? |
| 21:25.44 | TheMasterMind1 | read the faq |
| 21:32.47 | ccamp | the buzzer is shitty anyways ;) |
| 21:32.56 | kergoth | sounds like crap |
| 21:33.00 | kergoth | but its spiffy that you can use it |
| 21:33.05 | ccamp | indeed |
| 21:33.23 | kergoth | fucking thing was breaking my libqt packages |
| 21:33.58 | CuCullin | not working at all for me... which is why im thinking i missed something |
| 21:34.07 | kergoth | you must have. |
| 21:34.08 | ccamp | use xmms anywho |
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| 21:45.33 | masticator | anyone in here know their way around vnc? |
| 21:45.55 | kergoth | roughly. can talk to treke, he did the improvements to the opie vnc client :) |
| 21:46.36 | masticator | xrdb: Connection refused |
| 21:46.36 | masticator | xrdb: Can't open display ':7' |
| 21:46.36 | masticator | xsetroot: unable to open display ':7' |
| 21:46.36 | masticator | twm: unable to open display ":7" |
| 21:46.36 | masticator | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :7 |
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| 21:46.56 | kergoth | sounds like Xvnc isnt running on display :7 |
| 21:47.10 | masticator | it isnt running on any friggin display |
| 21:47.14 | masticator | I started it several times |
| 21:47.36 | masticator | how can I verify if its actually running |
| 21:47.40 | kergoth | what command are you issuing to start it? |
| 21:47.48 | ccamp | the same way you check any open ports :) |
| 21:47.49 | masticator | vncserver |
| 21:47.50 | ccamp | netsat |
| 21:47.55 | ccamp | netstat |
| 21:48.01 | kergoth | masticator: run Xvnc |
| 21:48.28 | masticator | for the server? |
| 21:48.31 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:48.35 | masticator | doh |
| 21:48.46 | masticator | how do I kill all those other friggin instances |
| 21:48.54 | masticator | kill all the directories it made? |
| 21:51.27 | kergoth | we need an opie bug reporter app |
| 21:51.36 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 21:51.46 | masticator | oh thats nice |
| 21:51.53 | masticator | I started Xvnc and got a segmentation fault |
| 21:51.57 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:52.03 | kergoth | hey i built a 5600 image on the monster |
| 21:52.07 | kergoth | good call on that masticator |
| 21:52.11 | kergoth | static 32bit ipkg |
| 21:52.15 | masticator | wheres the image |
| 21:52.27 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/oz/poodle/output/images/initrd.bin |
| 21:52.34 | kergoth | no guarantees, i've never built a 5600 image before |
| 21:52.36 | kergoth | but give it a shot |
| 21:52.40 | masticator | wheres the kernel |
| 21:52.52 | kergoth | oh, kernel.. /home/kergoth/oz/poodle/build/linux/arch/arm/boot/zImage .. rename it to zimage.bin |
| 21:53.05 | kergoth | grab updater.sh from http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/updater.sh |
| 21:53.45 | _Psycho | ker you saw that tslib bug on the new image ? |
| 21:53.50 | _Psycho | that i emailed last night late ;) |
| 21:54.17 | _Psycho | looked like it was a old file |
| 21:54.26 | kergoth | yeah, i'll check into it |
| 21:54.33 | _Psycho | gonna nap |
| 21:54.38 | _Psycho | i check new stuff later |
| 21:54.46 | kergoth | masticator: thats a gcc3 built image, fyi |
| 21:56.26 | Neo|Work | kergoth: so do you think it builds fast? |
| 21:56.37 | Neo|Work | it should excel at it |
| 21:56.43 | kergoth | yup, it flies |
| 21:56.52 | kergoth | it builds without ccache as fast as my box with it |
| 21:57.38 | Neo|Work | hah, cool |
| 21:58.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you using the opteron? |
| 21:58.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yea |
| 21:58.55 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 21:59.33 | masticator | what the hell is the flash procedure |
| 21:59.40 | masticator | I did reset and Q and T |
| 21:59.48 | kergoth | masticator: afaik power+OK |
| 21:59.49 | masticator | and now the two lights are flashing |
| 22:00.03 | kergoth | are the 5600 steps the same as b500? |
| 22:00.08 | kergoth | i have the b500 steps here in my mailbox |
| 22:00.12 | ljp_work | flash procedure: aim butt out a window. unzip pants. Pull down pant to knees.. |
| 22:00.14 | masticator | yes |
| 22:00.18 | masticator | should be the same |
| 22:00.24 | kergoth | ~fishslap ljp_work |
| 22:00.26 | | ACTION slaps ljp_work up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:00.38 | ljp_work | I always get that |
| 22:01.19 | masticator | I got the maintenance menu up |
| 22:01.27 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.27 | kergoth | button, |
| 22:01.28 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.28 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.28 | kergoth | (4). After "Maintenance Menu" launched, select #4 "update". |
| 22:01.30 | kergoth | (5). System will ask the media to use update. Select SD or CF accordingly. |
| 22:01.43 | kergoth | ** NOTE |
| 22:01.43 | kergoth | "Q"+"T"+"RESET" may work for update, but we recommend you to use the |
| 22:01.43 | kergoth | "Maintenace Menu" to update the ROM. |
| 22:02.19 | masticator | ah |
| 22:02.26 | kergoth | thats from mitchy |
| 22:02.29 | masticator | I got an "invalid model" error |
| 22:02.35 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:02.36 | masticator | from the updateer.sh |
| 22:02.41 | masticator | I probalby need to modify it |
| 22:02.46 | kergoth | grab updater.sh from card_update.exe for the b500 |
| 22:02.46 | masticator | we need to figure out what the hell that is |
| 22:02.49 | kergoth | its a binary |
| 22:02.50 | kergoth | not a shell script |
| 22:03.01 | masticator | where is that |
| 22:03.09 | kergoth | spacetown |
| 22:03.26 | kergoth | http://zaurus.spacetown.ne.jp/sl-b500/update/b500update/card_update.exe |
| 22:03.32 | masticator | shit |
| 22:03.43 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:03.46 | masticator | what if they hardcoded the 5600 model number into the dame unit |
| 22:03.56 | kergoth | then we'll fucking hexedit updater.sh |
| 22:04.00 | kergoth | or we'll find a 5600 updater.sh |
| 22:04.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:04.21 | masticator | spacetown page is gone |
| 22:05.32 | masticator | hmm |
| 22:05.43 | masticator | my guess it it uses a machine id of SL-5600 |
| 22:05.57 | masticator | because the updater.sh said "wrong machine type, sl-5600" |
| 22:06.07 | masticator | you think we can decompile that updater.sh |
| 22:06.18 | masticator | cause chances are it will be a long time before mitchy releases the real one |
| 22:07.34 | masticator | the update seemed to fail with the Q+T thing |
| 22:07.54 | ljp_work | decompile a script? |
| 22:08.05 | masticator | its not script |
| 22:08.13 | masticator | its a friggin binary with a .sh extension |
| 22:08.20 | ljp_work | hmm . thats odd |
| 22:08.31 | masticator | yeah well... this is sharp we are talking here |
| 22:08.54 | ljp_work | they didnt want anyone knowing their secrets |
| 22:09.07 | masticator | my guess is that program looks for some kind of header info in the bootloader |
| 22:09.19 | kergoth | the model is stored in flash at a special magic # |
| 22:09.29 | kergoth | the deviceinfo module lets you access it via /proc |
| 22:09.53 | masticator | so we have to hack the binary then |
| 22:10.10 | masticator | well. that or you can beg mitchy for the proper one |
| 22:10.26 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:10.29 | kergoth | ~/oz/poodle$ file updater.sh |
| 22:10.29 | kergoth | updater.sh: data |
| 22:10.33 | kergoth | oh _that_ fucking helps |
| 22:10.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:11.09 | kergoth | cant disassemble it with objdump, because it expects an elf binary.. unless theres a cmdline opt i dont know |
| 22:11.46 | masticator | yet again something we have to be dependent on them on |
| 22:11.48 | masticator | man that blows |
| 22:12.10 | ljp_work | try nm updater.sh |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth | no |
| 22:12.28 | kergoth | its not elf |
| 22:12.38 | kergoth | nm doesnt recognize the file format etiher |
| 22:13.15 | ljp_work | hmm, odd. |
| 22:13.33 | masticator | always a learning experience with these bozos |
| 22:13.40 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:14.01 | ljp_work | hehehe try running strace on it. :) |
| 22:14.21 | kergoth | its not a normal executable |
| 22:14.27 | kergoth | it isnt elf, doesnt have the sections |
| 22:14.34 | kergoth | you'd have to copy it into mem and jump to it |
| 22:14.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:15.29 | ljp_work | run arm-linux-strace on it |
| 22:15.41 | noidd | re |
| 22:15.50 | kergoth | ~lart ljp_work |
| 22:15.57 | noidd | bah, I really need to get xfree to compile |
| 22:16.23 | ljp_work | so it's aout? |
| 22:16.37 | kergoth | i dont know what format its in |
| 22:17.21 | ljp_work | compialed java? |
| 22:17.26 | ljp_work | compiled |
| 22:17.29 | ljp_work | bleh |
| 22:17.34 | kergoth | if they made the updater in java, i'm going to be angry |
| 22:17.39 | signal11 | pb_: are you still around? |
| 22:17.54 | masticator | java |
| 22:17.59 | masticator | how the hell could it be in java |
| 22:18.26 | masticator | that would be INSANE |
| 22:18.33 | ljp_work | dunno. just throwing words out there ;) |
| 22:18.33 | kergoth | neither c700 or C700 or CORGI are in this updater.sh |
| 22:18.48 | kergoth | but i dunno |
| 22:18.52 | kergoth | we really need to disassemble this |
| 22:19.25 | ljp_work | hex editor |
| 22:19.33 | kergoth | i am |
| 22:19.40 | kergoth | but i'm afriad i cant read arm asm in fucking hex |
| 22:19.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:19.48 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 22:19.55 | ljp_work | why not? |
| 22:20.42 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 22:21.45 | TheMasterMind1 | updater.sh? |
| 22:21.50 | TheMasterMind1 | interesante |
| 22:22.48 | kergoth | bvi rocks |
| 22:23.01 | TheMasterMind1 | whats that |
| 22:23.07 | kergoth | hex editor with vi keybindings |
| 22:23.10 | kergoth | includes bmore also |
| 22:23.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 22:23.13 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 22:23.14 | kergoth | cat mybinary|bmore |
| 22:23.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:23.30 | TheMasterMind1 | like vim -b ? |
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| 22:23.46 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:23.48 | kergoth | try it |
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| 22:23.53 | kergoth | its on the monster box |
| 22:23.53 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:23.56 | kergoth | in /home/kergoth/bin/ |
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| 22:24.51 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 22:24.52 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck |
| 22:24.53 | TheMasterMind1 | thats awesome |
| 22:24.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:25.00 | kergoth | you dont need it often |
| 22:25.03 | kergoth | but when you do, it rocks |
| 22:27.21 | kergoth | masticator: did you try with the b500 updater.sh? |
| 22:27.23 | kergoth | masticator: http://zaurus.spacetown.ne.jp/sl-b500/update/b500update/b500updatecard.asp |
| 22:28.01 | masticator | no |
| 22:28.05 | masticator | I can try though. |
| 22:28.21 | kergoth | http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/b500/20030124/updater.sh.b500 |
| 22:28.23 | kergoth | could try that one too |
| 22:29.14 | kergoth | http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/b500/consolescroll |
| 22:29.16 | kergoth | and what the hell is that? |
| 22:29.24 | kergoth | wonder if that makes that stupid sharp logo scroll away |
| 22:31.10 | TheMasterMind1 | havng fun with direcotry listings? |
| 22:31.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:31.23 | kergoth | google actually |
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| 22:32.05 | Speedy2 | re |
| 22:32.33 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 22:32.35 | kergoth | Speedy2: question |
| 22:32.54 | kergoth | Speedy2: you know how to disassemble a binary file which you know is for a certain arch, but which isnt a normal elf binary, so objdump is out |
| 22:32.58 | kergoth | Speedy2: gdb? |
| 22:33.08 | Speedy2 | Umm |
| 22:33.12 | Speedy2 | hrm. |
| 22:33.15 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:33.22 | Speedy2 | Which arch? |
| 22:33.31 | kergoth | arm |
| 22:33.31 | Speedy2 | objdump should disassembly a non-elf file |
| 22:33.35 | kergoth | it doesnt |
| 22:33.40 | kergoth | it uses libelf like the rest of binutils |
| 22:33.41 | kergoth | afiak |
| 22:33.45 | Speedy2 | umm, I've done it before |
| 22:33.47 | kergoth | unless theres a cmdline opt i dont know |
| 22:33.48 | Speedy2 | With AVRs |
| 22:34.01 | kergoth | Speedy2: i have no idea what format this is |
| 22:34.02 | Speedy2 | You have a compiled, stripped binary and you want to disassembly? |
| 22:34.04 | kergoth | Speedy2: file reports 'data' |
| 22:34.08 | kergoth | no |
| 22:34.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:34.18 | kergoth | i didnt build it |
| 22:34.19 | Speedy2 | It's a binary, right? |
| 22:34.20 | kergoth | its from sharp |
| 22:34.22 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 22:34.23 | kergoth | yes, its binary |
| 22:34.50 | Speedy2 | Check my /msg |
| 22:40.15 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it should allow other formats |
| 22:40.23 | troffasky | hey treke|home I think your clock might be wrong |
| 22:52.57 | noidd | damnit, I just acnt get this thing to compile |
| 22:57.42 | pb_ | kergoth: objdump --disassemble --target=binary -m arm <file> will disassemble a raw binary image. |
| 22:58.14 | masticator | cant get the fucking maintenance menu to come up |
| 22:58.20 | Speedy2 | Damn it |
| 22:58.23 | noidd | well, that fixed xfree86 for me |
| 22:58.26 | kergoth | pb_: thanks! |
| 22:58.28 | Speedy2 | I tried --target binary but left out the -m arm |
| 22:58.47 | pb_ | oh, probably want --disassemble-all, not plain --disassemble. |
| 22:58.50 | masticator | aha |
| 22:58.56 | masticator | after 10 tries it comes up |
| 22:58.58 | masticator | bastards |
| 22:59.02 | Speedy2 | arm-linux-objdump --target=binary updater.sh |
| 22:59.04 | Speedy2 | bah |
| 22:59.17 | masticator | and now the moment of truth |
| 22:59.22 | kergoth | Speedy2: this doesnt look like anything that makes sense |
| 22:59.24 | kergoth | Speedy2: heh |
| 22:59.25 | masticator | is it, or is it not a b500 |
| 22:59.28 | pb_ | Speedy2: yeah, objdump is a bit unhelpful like that. you'd think, being arm-linux-objdump, it could default to arm. |
| 22:59.32 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, I think it's a shell script. |
| 22:59.39 | Speedy2 | pb_: No joke. |
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| 22:59.54 | kergoth | anyone know what to do with a japanese shell script? |
| 22:59.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:00.01 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Execute it like a mofo |
| 23:00.06 | pb_ | run it in a japanese shell, presumably. |
| 23:00.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:00.22 | Speedy2 | Hey, didn't you say the updater on the C700 uses a "safe" Linux image to update the ROMs? |
| 23:00.28 | Speedy2 | So maybe this just calls some update executable. |
| 23:00.29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:00.35 | Speedy2 | 5KB |
| 23:00.44 | kergoth | i should rip apart the 8mb nor flash and see whats what |
| 23:00.51 | Speedy2 | If it's not all in Japanese :) |
| 23:00.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:00.55 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:01.05 | masticator | invalid model |
| 23:01.12 | masticator | mother fuckers |
| 23:01.18 | kergoth | masticator: well, i'll drop an email to mitchy |
| 23:01.28 | kergoth | until we can figure out how to alter this.. |
| 23:01.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01.33 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Can you re-flash to the Sharp ROM and try it out? Or are you unable to read anything? |
| 23:01.37 | Speedy2 | (in Kanji) |
| 23:01.38 | Speedy2 | Hey! |
| 23:01.44 | Speedy2 | Maybe switch Windows to use Kanji and then try to open it |
| 23:01.51 | Speedy2 | Or Linux or whatever. |
| 23:01.58 | Neo|Work | so updater.sh is a shell script whut? |
| 23:02.07 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thats what we're thinking |
| 23:02.14 | kergoth | Neo|Work: disassembling it .. didnt look like anything sane |
| 23:02.15 | Speedy2 | We think it's a shell script since it doesn't open as a binary file in our text editors |
| 23:02.23 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:02.29 | kergoth | it does *lok* like a shell script if you open it |
| 23:02.31 | Speedy2 | That or they use a b0rker/deb0rker program |
| 23:02.32 | kergoth | look rather |
| 23:02.37 | kergoth | that could be |
| 23:02.50 | kergoth | but i dont see why |
| 23:02.50 | Neo|Work | put it somewhere and I can take a look? :) |
| 23:02.54 | kergoth | itd be a waste of effort on their part |
| 23:03.03 | kergoth | Neo|Work: http://openzaurus.og/official/experimental/c700/updater.sh |
| 23:03.53 | kergoth | my windows doesnt support japanese |
| 23:03.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:04.01 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 23:04.11 | kergoth | anyone know anything about locales in linux? i'm flyin blind here |
| 23:04.12 | Speedy2 | I take it we don't have any Japanese Zaurus users with us at the moment? |
| 23:04.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:04.22 | kergoth | dont think so |
| 23:04.24 | kergoth | ibot: seen effy |
| 23:04.28 | | effy <effy@M058137.ppp.dion.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 3d 7h 34m 36s ago, saying: 'hey kergoth'. |
| 23:04.55 | Neo|Work | yes, it does look like japanese |
| 23:04.59 | Speedy2 | OT: Did you read the Slashdot posted article about the guy who made $380 mil and claims he was a time traveler? |
| 23:05.06 | Neo|Work | or possibly |
| 23:05.07 | Neo|Work | hrm. |
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| 23:05.56 | noidd | kergoth: setting the env variable should do it |
| 23:06.03 | kergoth | what env var? LANG? |
| 23:06.11 | noidd | erm, good question |
| 23:06.11 | pb_ | yeah, but you need to generate locale files first. |
| 23:06.15 | noidd | lemme look it up |
| 23:06.25 | noidd | I used to know this shit cos I used to do work on language translation |
| 23:06.28 | pb_ | LANG is the right variable. |
| 23:06.49 | Neo|Work | Shift_JIS to be exact |
| 23:07.26 | kergoth | hehe. i like playing with things that you dont know wtf it is. |
| 23:07.31 | kergoth | fun hacking on it |
| 23:07.33 | pb_ | :-) |
| 23:08.03 | noidd | don't we all :-) |
| 23:08.19 | ljp | thats why you like the sharp kernel so much |
| 23:08.28 | kergoth | oh i know what that is |
| 23:08.29 | kergoth | its crap. |
| 23:08.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:09.04 | Speedy2 | What happened to that guy in #elinux who bricked his Z trying to FlashROM update it? |
| 23:09.11 | kergoth | its still bricked |
| 23:09.18 | kergoth | but he got the service manual under nda |
| 23:09.25 | kergoth | trying to get the Z version of jflash from sharp |
| 23:09.48 | ljp | hmm flashing oz? |
| 23:10.02 | pb_ | oh, it needs a special jflash? |
| 23:10.23 | Speedy2 | Yeah, |
| 23:10.27 | Speedy2 | Not intel flash parts |
| 23:10.28 | Speedy2 | BBL |
| 23:10.33 | pb_ | ah right |
| 23:11.12 | kergoth | if we cant get it from them we'll have to grab the jtag stuff from arm.linux.org.uk cvs and alter it to work |
| 23:11.33 | kergoth | noidd: having fun yet? |
| 23:11.46 | noidd | damn xfree86 build |
| 23:11.50 | noidd | hehe |
| 23:11.58 | noidd | fixed one problem - acquired another |
| 23:12.01 | noidd | thought I had it |
| 23:12.05 | noidd | then I had linking errors |
| 23:12.14 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.26 | noidd | cos it didn't pass the -Loutput/etc etc etc |
| 23:12.29 | Neo|Work | http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Feongames.com%2Ftmp%2Fupdater.html&lp=ja_en |
| 23:12.30 | Neo|Work | damn |
| 23:12.35 | Neo|Work | stealing Ryo |
| 23:12.39 | Neo|Work | coming facilities |
| 23:12.40 | Neo|Work | Food |
| 23:12.41 | Neo|Work | lol |
| 23:12.56 | noidd | and actually yes, kergoth |
| 23:12.59 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:13.01 | noidd | I am having fun :-) |
| 23:13.06 | kergoth | shout of triumph! |
| 23:13.13 | kergoth | kneading |
| 23:14.06 | pb_ | hehe |
| 23:14.22 | Neo|Work | I wonder if it's really japanese or a coincidence |
| 23:14.54 | kergoth | masticator: sent off an email requesting the 5600 updater.sh |
| 23:15.02 | Neo|Work | small pox |
| 23:15.05 | Neo|Work | dude. :P |
| 23:15.10 | kergoth | masticator: in the meantime i'll see if i can make sense of the 8mb nor contents |
| 23:15.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:15.13 | Neo|Work | vinegar |
| 23:15.14 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 23:15.26 | masticator | 5600 updater.sh |
| 23:15.28 | masticator | ohwait. |
| 23:15.31 | masticator | I am a dumbshit. |
| 23:15.32 | Neo|Work | it is sluggish |
| 23:15.35 | Neo|Work | got something right |
| 23:15.44 | masticator | isnt it on the friggin 5600 rom? |
| 23:16.07 | masticator | or is it in a different format |
| 23:16.17 | kergoth | err |
| 23:16.21 | kergoth | those zips have updater.pro |
| 23:16.23 | kergoth | not updater.sh |
| 23:16.25 | kergoth | try using that |
| 23:16.27 | masticator | damn |
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| 23:16.43 | masticator | lemme see |
| 23:16.46 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:16.55 | kergoth | its a file that maps filenames to flash locations |
| 23:16.58 | kergoth | take a look |
| 23:17.02 | treke|laptop | hmm, that was a long lunch :) |
| 23:17.09 | noidd | ah, found the bug |
| 23:17.19 | noidd | kegoth: policy descision |
| 23:17.21 | masticator | updater.pro |
| 23:17.24 | noidd | :-) |
| 23:17.27 | masticator | but that may only work with the official rom |
| 23:17.34 | kergoth | masticator: well, those locations look right |
| 23:17.38 | kergoth | masticator: regardless of what rom you're using |
| 23:17.39 | noidd | STAGING_LIBDIR=$(STAGING_DIR)/target/lib |
| 23:17.40 | kergoth | masticator: try it |
| 23:17.43 | noidd | or |
| 23:17.46 | kergoth | noidd: whats the problem? |
| 23:17.52 | noidd | STAGING_LIBDIR=$(STAGING_DIR)/$(SYS)/lib |
| 23:17.58 | kergoth | its not sys anymore |
| 23:18.02 | kergoth | your staging needs an update |
| 23:18.10 | kergoth | rm -rf stamps/.*staging* output/staging/* |
| 23:18.11 | kergoth | make |
| 23:18.19 | noidd | aaah |
| 23:18.21 | noidd | ok |
| 23:18.22 | masticator | so delete the updater.sh on that card and put updater.pro on there? |
| 23:18.28 | kergoth | masticator: yeah, what the hell |
| 23:18.44 | masticator | I wonder if that one only works with the Q T thing |
| 23:19.00 | kergoth | hah, i like how they have a fffffff.bin to empty portions of flash |
| 23:19.12 | noidd | that explains why it changed then :-) |
| 23:19.13 | Neo|Work | kergoth: how did you figure that out? |
| 23:19.13 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:19.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19.53 | kergoth | Neo|Work: not looking at updater.sh |
| 23:19.58 | kergoth | looking at something else |
| 23:19.59 | Neo|Work | oh |
| 23:24.16 | masticator | I got an updater.sh not found message |
| 23:24.23 | kergoth | damn. |
| 23:24.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24.25 | masticator | with the updater.pro |
| 23:24.33 | Neo|Work | cp updater.pro updater.sh? :) |
| 23:24.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:24.57 | kergoth | hey its worth a shot |
| 23:25.18 | mickeyl|dinner | d'oh! make clean now cleans all dependencies... is this a wanted behaviour? |
| 23:25.22 | masticator | wait. |
| 23:25.25 | kergoth | mickeyl|dinner: no it doesnt |
| 23:25.27 | mickeyl|dinner | (when givin a SUBDIRS) |
| 23:25.28 | masticator | I am a dumbass. |
| 23:25.32 | kergoth | mickeyl|dinner: but it does clean mtd and ipkg-utils every time |
| 23:25.40 | kergoth | mickeyl|dinner: shouldnt recurse into anything else |
| 23:25.40 | mickeyl|dinner | kergoth: ah ok |
| 23:25.42 | kergoth | mickeyl|dinner: its a bug |
| 23:25.48 | kergoth | dunno offhand the solution |
| 23:26.07 | masticator | nope |
| 23:26.17 | kergoth | masticator: hm |
| 23:26.29 | masticator | I figured I could just copy all of the files from that rom directory onto the cf with the exception of the kernel file and initrd |
| 23:26.33 | masticator | and try the QT procedure |
| 23:26.46 | masticator | that wouldnt work |
| 23:27.02 | masticator | its expecting the files to be of a certain size |
| 23:27.09 | masticator | and it has the setup scripts for the sharp rom |
| 23:27.14 | masticator | which is smaller than OZ |
| 23:28.01 | masticator | bastards |
| 23:28.04 | masticator | BASTARDS |
| 23:28.06 | kergoth | masticator: we can update updater.pro's values to match our initrd.bin or something |
| 23:28.17 | kergoth | masticator: can you flahs this sharp rom successfullly with updater.pro and the qt method? |
| 23:28.23 | masticator | yeah |
| 23:28.27 | masticator | I've done it before |
| 23:28.53 | masticator | so the reason why the lights were blinking is I suppose the QT method expects certain files on the CF |
| 23:28.54 | Neo|Work | so now you need some undocumented binary file to flash? |
| 23:28.56 | masticator | so it aborts |
| 23:29.16 | masticator | we need mitchy's |
| 23:29.17 | kergoth | masticator: lets try this one thing at a time |
| 23:29.24 | kergoth | masticator: we'll replace only zimage first |
| 23:29.29 | kergoth | and see if you see the oz log |
| 23:29.31 | kergoth | o |
| 23:29.39 | masticator | so just a kernel then |
| 23:29.47 | kergoth | i'm updating updater.pro now |
| 23:30.00 | Neo|Work | kergoth: so you do know the format of it? |
| 23:30.08 | kergoth | Neo|Work: updater.pro != updater.sh |
| 23:30.12 | kergoth | Neo|Work: this is a different flahs method |
| 23:30.20 | kergoth | Neo|Work: updater.pro is an ascii text file |
| 23:30.21 | Neo|Work | so confusing |
| 23:30.28 | Neo|Work | how nice of it |
| 23:30.38 | kergoth | masticator: grab zImage.bin and updater.pro from /home/kergoth/tmp/ |
| 23:30.43 | Neo|Work | fupping hell, I can't decide what computer to buy!!! |
| 23:30.43 | kergoth | masticator: along with the rest of the shapr files |
| 23:31.40 | kergoth | masticator: ack, hold |
| 23:31.48 | kergoth | masticator: okay, now grab updater.sh |
| 23:31.52 | masticator | theres a ton of shit in there |
| 23:31.53 | kergoth | masticator: zimage.bin is in nand twice |
| 23:31.56 | kergoth | masticator: for some fucking reason |
| 23:32.00 | masticator | I havent downloaded anything yet |
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| 23:32.37 | kergoth | masticator: okay, try now |
| 23:32.54 | masticator | download everythhing in there onto a card? |
| 23:32.58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:32.59 | kergoth | or |
| 23:33.02 | mickeyl|dinner | anyone know of a library to create avi and/or mpeg out of a bunch of jpgs? |
| 23:33.06 | kergoth | i can strip down updater.sh to only flash zImage.bin |
| 23:33.16 | kergoth | er updater.pro |
| 23:33.17 | kergoth | whatever |
| 23:33.20 | masticator | dont worry |
| 23:33.26 | masticator | we'll try this first |
| 23:33.35 | kergoth | masticator: there |
| 23:33.44 | kergoth | masticator: flash with updater.pro and zImage.bin |
| 23:34.00 | kergoth | pretty simple format, i like the way they did it |
| 23:34.02 | masticator | just those two |
| 23:34.07 | kergoth | yeah, that shuld work |
| 23:34.08 | kergoth | should |
| 23:34.17 | masticator | no initrd |
| 23:34.29 | kergoth | holy shit |
| 23:34.32 | kergoth | mitchy was fast |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth | I have attached the updater.sh that updates zImage, initrd.bin, and |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth | mversion.bin - I would assume that this would be good enough for you |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth | to flash OZ onto the 5600. Note that this is provided for you, and so long |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth | as you release it *not quite visible* in the package, or where you got it, |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth | you can use it. |
| 23:34.47 | kergoth | woot. |
| 23:34.52 | masticator | christ |
| 23:34.54 | masticator | okay |
| 23:34.57 | masticator | lets try that again |
| 23:34.59 | kergoth | sharp is awfully cooperative now that i'm basically the only upgrade path for their customers |
| 23:35.06 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 23:35.18 | masticator | I overwrite everything on my card |
| 23:35.26 | masticator | so I gotta dowload that rom of yorus again |
| 23:35.39 | kergoth | do you want to do updater.sh/maint or updater.pro method? |
| 23:35.45 | masticator | updater.sh |
| 23:35.53 | kergoth | alright, i'll copy this up to the monster |
| 23:36.00 | masticator | thats the one other people will want to use |
| 23:36.03 | ljp | well, thats nice of them |
| 23:36.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:36.20 | masticator | the Q plus T one is a fucking hack |
| 23:36.21 | ljp | mickeyl|dinner: out of jpegs? |
| 23:36.48 | kergoth | masticator: /home/kergoth/oz/poodle/{updater.sh,build/linux/arch/arm/boot/zImage,output/images/initrd.bin} |
| 23:36.56 | Neo|Work | kergoth: wtf is it so secret? |
| 23:37.00 | kergoth | masticator: not sure if itll freak not having mversion.bin, i doubt it |
| 23:37.09 | kergoth | Neo|Work: fuck if i know. it doesnt make any sense as far as i'm concerned |
| 23:37.19 | kergoth | but this is sharp after all |
| 23:37.23 | Neo|Work | so weird |
| 23:38.00 | kergoth | we should really figure out wtf updater.sh is |
| 23:38.02 | kergoth | eventually |
| 23:38.06 | kergoth | i hate relying on them like this |
| 23:38.23 | kergoth | really, we should fucking port a decent bootloader, use our own updater code, and say fuck you sharp. |
| 23:38.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:38.52 | ljp | and use gcc3? |
| 23:38.57 | treke|laptop | kergoth: you need to get someon at sharp to sign images or something? |
| 23:39.20 | kergoth | treke|laptop: we just have to rely on them to get this control file. its only a one time per device thing |
| 23:39.25 | kergoth | but still, it really pisses me off. |
| 23:39.29 | treke|laptop | suckage |
| 23:39.36 | cynTop | damn binary bs |
| 23:39.38 | kergoth | weird closed source proprietary bullshit for something that doesnt need to be |
| 23:39.41 | cynTop | can't diff 'em usably |
| 23:39.56 | cynTop | might be interesting to diff their strings output |
| 23:39.58 | cynTop | just from a 'hmm' POV |
| 23:40.11 | kergoth | yeah, i'll compare this to a c700 and b500 updater.sh |
| 23:40.24 | treke|laptop | is there a 5000d ? |
| 23:40.24 | Neo|Work | kergoth: what input did he get from you? |
| 23:40.35 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ? |
| 23:40.43 | treke|laptop | kergoth: look on the upside, you might not need to figure it out for any more devices :) |
| 23:40.49 | Neo|Work | 'meaning what was needed for him to make that file? Or is it some static shit that is just per model |
| 23:40.53 | Neo|Work | not per "images" |
| 23:40.59 | kergoth | treke|laptop: hehe |
| 23:41.01 | Neo|Work | treke|laptop: lol |
| 23:41.44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: it seems static thats per model. i can use the same updater.sh for any number of images without a problem |
| 23:42.04 | masticator | kergoth: where do you want me to grab stuff from |
| 23:42.11 | masticator | that tmp dir? |
| 23:42.13 | kergoth | masticator: no |
| 23:42.20 | Neo|Work | <kergoth> masticator: /home/kergoth/oz/poodle/{updater.sh,build/linux/arch/arm/boot/zImage,output/images/initrd.bin} |
| 23:42.22 | Neo|Work | I presume |
| 23:42.24 | Neo|Work | ? |
| 23:42.26 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:42.27 | kergoth | those 3 files |
| 23:42.35 | kergoth | in shell expansion form, but you get the point |
| 23:42.51 | kergoth | s/shell/bash shell/; |
| 23:43.03 | Neo|Work | the only right shell is zsh. :) |
| 23:43.17 | Neo|Work | well, I suppose, anything but *csh is ok |
| 23:43.39 | Neo|Work | and yes I know zsh has (t)cshism in it but ... :) |
| 23:44.52 | masticator | where the hell is output |
| 23:45.16 | masticator | found it |
| 23:45.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46.19 | masticator | and now we pray to the lord jesus |
| 23:46.57 | Neo|Work | now you made me think of the "priest" in the last buffy episode |
| 23:48.07 | masticator | syntax error |
| 23:48.16 | masticator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.58 | kergoth | Neo|Work: weird episode. |
| 23:49.08 | kergoth | masticator: *syntax error*? |
| 23:49.32 | masticator | something about an unexpected quote |
| 23:49.51 | Neo|Work | kickass priest |
| 23:50.04 | masticator | I wonder if its the sh or the zimage or the initrd |
| 23:50.13 | Neo|Work | I mean, eyes are very hard to break. :P |
| 23:50.35 | Neo|Work | so that .sh thing IS some sort of script? :P |
| 23:51.08 | masticator | this is gonna be a bitch to debug |
| 23:51.21 | masticator | I can take a digi photo of the fucker |
| 23:51.25 | masticator | when it comes up |
| 23:51.31 | masticator | to give you the exact error code |
| 23:51.38 | masticator | gimme a sec |
| 23:56.03 | masticator | this is not as easy as it looks |
| 23:56.11 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:57.19 | Neo|Work | "email mitchy"? :) |
| 23:57.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:57.51 | masticator | I got the photo |
| 23:57.55 | masticator | lets see how it came out |
| 23:58.51 | masticator | it says unexpected ")" |
| 23:59.05 | masticator | expecting "done" |
| 23:59.13 | kergoth | )? |
| 23:59.17 | kergoth | where the fuck is a ) in that fuckign file |
| 23:59.33 | kergoth | or a done for that matter |