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| 00:55.25 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: you are free to push the glibc locales changes any time you know :) |
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| 00:58.05 | ljp | hmm. kergoth is fingering opie code. should I be scared? |
| 00:59.44 | _Psycho | yes |
| 00:59.48 | _Psycho | because its monday |
| 01:00.07 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:01.03 | _Psycho | ibot: monday |
| 01:01.08 | | i guess monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 01:03.30 | andersee | ibot: 6*9? |
| 01:03.31 | | well, 6*9 is 42 |
| 01:03.35 | andersee | hehe |
| 01:04.16 | treke|ho1e | man. thats deep |
| 01:05.23 | treke|ho1e | we talking mean life, the universe, and well everything deep |
| 01:09.28 | noidd | kergoth: i'm "borrowing" some of the work you've done opn the cross-compilation stuff for the patch i'm submitting for the perl buildsystemn |
| 01:09.28 | noidd | kergoth: any preferenmce on who and how you want the credit to go |
| 01:09.28 | noidd | mainly the CFLAGS etc for the arm optimisations etc |
| 01:09.28 | noidd | ugh, packet loss |
| 01:10.11 | noidd | p5p has asked me to sumbit patches to the perl buildsystem |
| 01:15.51 | _Psycho | George- For mental support he said ;) |
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| 01:32.52 | treke|ho1e | bipolar_away: apparently something broke my patch |
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| 01:55.43 | masticator | wussup homies. |
| 01:56.28 | mchang | masticator: sup |
| 01:57.24 | _Psycho | yo |
| 01:57.47 | chouimat|tv | masticator: hey the PQ is defeated :) |
| 01:59.49 | _Psycho | really ? |
| 01:59.56 | _Psycho | f*cking lberal gonna suck |
| 02:00.00 | _Psycho | oh well |
| 02:00.04 | _Psycho | i wanted ADQ to win |
| 02:00.07 | _Psycho | you got the % ? |
| 02:00.22 | chouimat|tv | _Psycho: yup .... Charest win ... ADQ 20%, PLQ: 44% PQ 34% |
| 02:00.37 | _Psycho | real joke |
| 02:00.45 | chouimat|tv | PLQ: 74 PQ: 47 ADQ: $ |
| 02:00.51 | chouimat|tv | s/\$/4 |
| 02:01.00 | _Psycho | just 4 ? gah |
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| 02:02.39 | ljp | *yawn* |
| 02:04.20 | kergoth | ljp: how do i pick up the gain or loss of focus? there an event i can pick up? |
| 02:05.42 | kergoth | ah there we go |
| 02:06.12 | ljp | pickup? |
| 02:06.29 | kergoth | bah you know what i mean. found it anyway. focusInEvent and focusOutEvent |
| 02:07.45 | chouimat|tv | _Psycho: and it's not sure that Charest will get elected |
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| 02:08.35 | noidd | kergoth: you have asec? |
| 02:08.50 | kergoth | noidd: yeah, whats up |
| 02:09.08 | _Psycho | chouimat how come ? |
| 02:09.08 | ljp | oh.. heh |
| 02:09.12 | noidd | kergoth: I've been asked by perl build person to merge my stuff into the perl build system |
| 02:09.15 | _Psycho | oh you mean in his own place |
| 02:09.30 | noidd | kergoth: Want to use your compile flags and optimisation stuff |
| 02:09.40 | noidd | kergoth: who/how do you want me to credit OZ / you? |
| 02:10.04 | chouimat|tv | _Psycho: yup they play yo-yo like hell in Sherbrooke ... |
| 02:10.16 | _Psycho | i really hope he lose |
| 02:10.20 | kergoth | noidd: credit OZ, i'd say. doesnt matter much |
| 02:10.28 | chou||beer-buy | ok I need beer before fixing that DNS server |
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| 02:11.21 | noidd | http://use.perl.org/articles/03/04/14/1129241.shtml?tid=12 ## OZ in p5p weekly summary stuff |
| 02:11.23 | chou||beer-buy | kergoth: I want another boot loader ... I want to be able to boot OZ from a 256MB CF card ... can we have this for OZ5? |
| 02:11.30 | ljp | nidd: credit kergoth's paypal account. :) |
| 02:11.35 | ljp | noidd |
| 02:11.36 | noidd | ljp: hehe |
| 02:11.59 | ljp | choui: no |
| 02:12.16 | chou||beer-buy | ljp: :) |
| 02:12.24 | chou||beer-buy | ljp: ok 4 then :P |
| 02:18.11 | treke|ho1e | chou||beer-buy: get me some while you are there |
| 02:20.28 | ljp | hey, grab some rum for over here! |
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| 02:26.14 | [aSQUi] | howdy |
| 02:26.35 | [aSQUi] | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.43 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 02:26.50 | [aSQUi] | yay, heh. |
| 02:27.43 | [aSQUi] | At the risk of asking a rhetorical question.. Does OZ support SD? |
| 02:28.01 | noidd | yes |
| 02:28.01 | treke|ho1e | check the FAQ |
| 02:28.09 | noidd | yes, the faq has the answerr |
| 02:28.49 | ljp | is there a faq faq? |
| 02:30.16 | ljp | how about a faq for the faq faq? |
| 02:30.21 | [aSQUi] | ooer |
| 02:30.27 | [aSQUi] | Sorry, was looking in the overveiw |
| 02:35.12 | ljp | does the ..uuhhh |
| 02:35.34 | ljp | nm. I'll wait to ask |
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| 02:59.14 | piplipton | what is the address for the openzaurus repository? |
| 02:59.50 | _Psycho | ibot oz bk |
| 02:59.51 | | i heard oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 03:00.55 | piplipton | thank you, i got it from pnis earlier but that was at work |
| 03:02.14 | [aSQUi] | hmm |
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| 03:04.19 | [aSQUi] | You can't flash a new kernel onto your Z with an SD.. can you? |
| 03:04.34 | treke|home | no |
| 03:04.44 | treke|home | unless you have a c700 |
| 03:04.52 | kergoth | or 5600 |
| 03:04.56 | kergoth | same flash procedure |
| 03:06.29 | [aSQUi] | oh dang :( |
| 03:06.57 | [aSQUi] | I was planning on getting an SD card for storage so that I could have SD storage and CF WiFi simultaneously |
| 03:07.14 | treke|home | so do that. and get a small cheap cf card for flashing |
| 03:07.28 | [aSQUi] | yeah.. that's the downside i guess. |
| 03:08.49 | ljp | does the c700 have 16bit color like 5500? |
| 03:09.36 | [aSQUi] | hrmm.. so OZ takes up 16mb |
| 03:11.19 | treke|home | no. you have 16mb of space to play with |
| 03:11.33 | treke|home | a very subtle difference |
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| 03:13.49 | chouimat | lol I just got the dns zone file for my brother network: the server is named RonJeremy ... and the work stations: Raven , DitaVonteese |
| 03:14.24 | ljp | and most the space is taken up by pron |
| 03:14.38 | chouimat | ljp: hehe |
| 03:14.43 | treke|home | chouimat: why am I not surprised? |
| 03:14.48 | kergoth | i'm being productive on a monday |
| 03:14.51 | kergoth | somebody shoot me |
| 03:15.07 | ljp | ibot: shoot kergoth |
| 03:15.10 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 03:15.10 | [aSQUi] | hrmm |
| 03:15.18 | kergoth | thanks |
| 03:15.30 | ljp | kergoth: does the c700 have 16bit color like 5500? |
| 03:15.35 | chouimat | treke|home: it's my brother not me |
| 03:15.40 | kergoth | i'm killing the rotate settings app, now that rotate applet has 180 |
| 03:15.51 | kergoth | ljp: dunno off the top of my head |
| 03:15.59 | ljp | ibot: shoot kergoth |
| 03:16.00 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 03:16.00 | [aSQUi] | treke: so even though the root filesystem img (initrd) is about 16mb it's not all used? *confused* |
| 03:16.05 | treke|home | chouimat: It must be a family thing |
| 03:16.18 | treke|home | [aSQUi]: no it is all used |
| 03:16.19 | [aSQUi] | from what I gather.. you install the OZ image with the kernel as stated on the page and with that you get opie and your basic apps |
| 03:16.19 | chouimat | why that fucking dns server is not working |
| 03:16.29 | ljp | hey: choui, hows your sister?!? |
| 03:16.29 | treke|home | [aSQUi]: but you can take things off and put others on |
| 03:16.35 | [aSQUi] | then you can choose to add bits (ipks) from the feed of your choise? |
| 03:16.37 | [aSQUi] | *choice |
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| 03:16.40 | chouimat | ljp: boring :) |
| 03:17.45 | [aSQUi] | okie |
| 03:18.02 | [aSQUi] | I think i get it now. |
| 03:18.24 | ljp | hey, opieirc doesnt seem to have the 'first log on, get logged off' bug |
| 03:19.18 | kergoth | man, i forgot how handy qvfb is |
| 03:19.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:19.32 | ljp | yes, it can be |
| 03:19.49 | ljp | except when you need to debug apps for hardware buggies |
| 03:20.07 | ljp | or driver bugs |
| 03:21.09 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:21.34 | piplipton | ljp: what was the opieirc bug you speak of? |
| 03:22.46 | ljp | it used to have a bug, where the first time you log on, and it will log you off, |
| 03:24.03 | piplipton | that was me signing on and back off, it was my first test. |
| 03:24.25 | piplipton | no such bug |
| 03:26.35 | kergoth | uh, thats what ljp just siad. |
| 03:26.42 | kergoth | that it doesnt have that bug |
| 03:26.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:28.11 | treke|home | ljp: if you've seen the bug, it cant be the first time you've logged on |
| 03:28.21 | treke|home | ljp: therefore you havent proven the bug is gone |
| 03:28.56 | ljp | or if it was even there in the first place! |
| 03:29.04 | piplipton | i was just agreeing, that was indeed my first sign on and no bug... |
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| 03:30.05 | treke|home | hrm. schurig wrote patcher? |
| 03:30.09 | kergoth | yup |
| 03:30.45 | treke|home | schurig rocks |
| 03:30.49 | chouimat | hmmm someething killed my x |
| 03:31.01 | kergoth | treke|home: yup |
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| 03:31.22 | treke|home | kergoth: hows the oe stuff looking? |
| 03:31.42 | kergoth | noidd: ever get anywhere with the libgtk2 and libatk builds? |
| 03:32.08 | kergoth | treke|home: i havent had the time to read the code recently.. dunno |
| 03:33.21 | djr | gtk for zaurus? |
| 03:33.39 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:33.45 | kergoth | so that we can get GPE packages built |
| 03:33.54 | djr | GPE? |
| 03:33.56 | treke|home | and other platforms openembedded can be used on |
| 03:34.00 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:34.43 | ljp | gpe.handhelds.org |
| 03:34.54 | djr | k |
| 03:35.11 | ljp | opie's evil twin :) |
| 03:35.34 | treke|home | anyone tried the new freeciv port? |
| 03:35.49 | ljp | no. what does it do? |
| 03:36.06 | treke|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30482.png <-- at its best :) |
| 03:36.15 | treke|home | X at its best |
| 03:38.06 | ljp | cool |
| 03:38.17 | ljp | I can do that |
| 03:38.45 | ljp | just have a tab widget and assign the wrong parent to some labels |
| 03:40.03 | scanline | treke|home: how is that X's fault? |
| 03:40.09 | scanline | looks more like a gtk problem :P |
| 03:40.13 | ljp | hey! mailit's on scap! |
| 03:40.46 | ljp | looks more like a developer problem |
| 03:41.30 | scanline | no.. gtk problem |
| 03:41.46 | treke|home | definitly a developer problem |
| 03:42.02 | scanline | it should at least be clipping squished widgets like that to their containers, if not trying to do something more intelligent |
| 03:43.22 | treke|home | does anyone else just want to slap this Mathiew guy? |
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| 03:53.03 | kergoth | treke|home: only every time i talk to him |
| 03:53.28 | treke|home | hehe. this not his first time? |
| 03:53.52 | kergoth | heh, no |
| 03:55.44 | kergoth | hey this is sweet |
| 03:55.54 | kergoth | i'm installing from output/ipks into the rootfs as though it were a feed |
| 03:55.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:55.58 | kergoth | so follows deps |
| 03:55.59 | kergoth | finally |
| 03:56.01 | treke|home | kergoth: finally |
| 03:56.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:56.17 | kergoth | stupid little fix to ipkg to do it too |
| 03:56.29 | kergoth | so now can just select task-opie for gods sake |
| 03:56.34 | kergoth | i need to create task-essential |
| 03:57.08 | treke|home | you know what ipkg needs. an Essential entry in the control |
| 03:57.16 | bipolar | god... I'm getting so spammed |
| 03:57.50 | bipolar | someone is sending me the same spam from what seem to be a million diffrent smtp servers. |
| 03:57.56 | bipolar | they gotta be spoofed |
| 03:58.40 | treke|home | oh well. back to work. My goal is to be able to see my bedroom floor by the time I go to sleep |
| 03:58.54 | bipolar | treke: good luck |
| 03:59.27 | bipolar | I've recieved over 300 of the same spam over the past 6 hours |
| 03:59.46 | bipolar | someone must think I need a bigger penis |
| 04:00.04 | treke|home | maybe your wife is trying to send you a hint |
| 04:00.12 | bipolar | I've already grilled her |
| 04:00.25 | bipolar | if she did it, she ain't talkin' |
| 04:01.07 | bipolar | yay! 5 more! :p |
| 04:01.20 | bipolar | time to tell sieve to just delete them |
| 04:05.15 | chouimat | bipolar: look I'm still waiting the pomp and the extra 123456 punch of blood that will enable me to use that nicee 20000000000000000000000inches penis I got while I use those pills |
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| 04:07.05 | bipolar | chouimat: you mean the halucination pills? heh |
| 04:07.54 | chouimat | bipolar: no the add 3 to 4 inches over night ... with the number I got lately ... |
| 04:08.04 | chouimat | add spam somewhere |
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| 04:13.54 | treke|home | build done. |
| 04:14.34 | treke|home | now as soon as soon as kergoth pushes his libc6 changes I can do a new image :) |
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| 04:17.37 | kergoth | treke|home: pushed the image creation changes. need to wipe and rebuild ipkg-x86 and ipkg-utils for it to work. |
| 04:17.41 | kergoth | oh right, libc.. i'll finish that now |
| 04:18.42 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
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| 04:18.51 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 04:21.04 | chouimat|night | night |
| 04:22.24 | chouimat|night | kergoth: aany news on oz btw? |
| 04:23.00 | kergoth | nothing much. started on kernel finishing touches for collie |
| 04:23.11 | kergoth | doing userspace shit across teh board right now |
| 04:23.16 | kergoth | granular packaging for busybox, libc |
| 04:23.21 | kergoth | then a bunch of opie work |
| 04:23.48 | chouimat|night | kergoth: ok I didn't have time to do nothing today ... ##^#^#$^#^#$^!@$@%% dns |
| 04:46.59 | treke|home | kergoth: you know, these ipkg changes will make life a whole lot simpler |
| 04:48.24 | treke|home | pick task-essential, and whatever extra apps you want, and no more worryign about missing dependencies |
| 04:48.27 | treke|home | ( for the most part) |
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| 04:52.46 | kergoth | treke|home: yup |
| 04:53.04 | kergoth | task-essential, task-opie-minimal, build.. |
| 04:53.07 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 04:53.31 | treke|home | then its just a matter of fixing dependencies till things work :) |
| 04:54.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:54.17 | kergoth | making a few new task packages |
| 04:54.33 | kergoth | masticator: ping |
| 04:54.57 | kergoth | treke|home: you know how this locale and i18n stuff works? |
| 04:55.12 | kergoth | treke|home: i see /usr/lib/locale, /usr/share/locale, and then the iconv and gconv files |
| 04:55.23 | kergoth | and i have no idea how it works or how to package em |
| 04:55.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:55.33 | treke|home | nope. no clue |
| 04:55.38 | kergoth | hrm |
| 04:55.39 | treke|home | gconv is its own package, i think |
| 04:55.50 | kergoth | for now. gconv should be more granular as well |
| 04:55.56 | kergoth | regardless, i'll follow familiar for now |
| 04:57.11 | chouimat|Zzzz | niight |
| 04:57.17 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 04:57.45 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: can we have a new bootloader for OZ5? |
| 04:57.50 | treke|home | you know. sometimes I think those bsd dudes have the right idea with their private development lists/chanels :) |
| 04:59.39 | treke|home | ~kill darmou |
| 04:59.43 | | ACTION slits darmou's throat |
| 05:00.35 | chouimat|Zzzz | darmou: One day :) |
| 05:01.01 | treke|home | one week later for every person that asks when its coming out |
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| 05:24.01 | kergoth | treke|home: there, cleaned up the libc6 ipk. I'll do the locale packages later |
| 05:24.06 | kergoth | treke|home: bk pull |
| 05:24.17 | kergoth | added a task-essential package generated by the oz-base makefile also |
| 05:24.19 | kergoth | very basic one |
| 05:27.51 | treke|home | realport? |
| 05:29.39 | treke|home | did ljp put his stuff in buildroot? |
| 05:30.04 | kergoth | realport is a driver for a product by digi the company iw ork for |
| 05:31.02 | treke|home | ah |
| 05:31.18 | treke|home | didnt I warn you not to do any work on digi stuff :) |
| 05:31.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:31.53 | kergoth | decided to show em how something _should_ be packaged |
| 05:32.22 | treke|home | <boss> Chris, this is good stuff. It will cut our support costs in half. Your fired |
| 05:32.30 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:32.33 | kergoth | i know better than that |
| 05:32.39 | kergoth | i was going to rewrite one of the linux drivers |
| 05:32.42 | kergoth | then i'm like uhhh, fuck that |
| 05:35.04 | treke|home | ok. book and bed. later |
| 05:35.22 | kergoth | later |
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| 06:27.08 | darmou | does anyone know if the usb card readers work in linux? |
| 06:28.09 | TCMAN | darmou: most do |
| 06:28.27 | TCMAN | with usb-storage module |
| 06:28.56 | darmou | thanks TCMAN, I'm using the usb-storage module so I can mount my zip disk so it should be no problem |
| 06:29.27 | TCMAN | darmou: i have atech pro II and it shows up as 3 scsi devices with scsi emulation |
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| 06:30.43 | TCMAN | darmou: if on the box of usb storage device says "works without driver in windows" it will probably work as usb-storage device in linux |
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| 06:42.05 | darmou | TCMAN in this case yes it does work without driver so should be fine, thanks for your help |
| 06:42.22 | TCMAN | darmou: np |
| 06:43.11 | darmou | THe problem that I have is that the Z refuses to boot so it's a matter of put the rom on the cf card and reflash time:( |
| 06:43.59 | darmou | Do you know if the latest ipkg in unstable is ok? I have been having some problems with the 3.2 vervion |
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| 11:03.58 | Twiun | hi guys |
| 11:04.07 | noidd | Welcome back to the land of the living Twiun :-) |
| 11:05.29 | noidd | I startd shaving yesterday |
| 11:05.37 | noidd | words cannot express how much I hate it |
| 11:05.48 | Twiun | first time ever, or new job? |
| 11:06.16 | noidd | http://www.madhouse.org.uk/~red/RedDavies.jpg |
| 11:06.21 | noidd | that should answer your question |
| 11:06.39 | noidd | neither really |
| 11:06.43 | noidd | just felt the urge |
| 11:06.48 | noidd | regretting it already |
| 11:09.48 | Twiun | lol |
| 11:09.55 | Twiun | how long did it take you to grow that? |
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| 11:25.53 | ljp | I hate shaving also |
| 11:26.01 | ljp | I do it about once a week |
| 11:26.19 | Twiun | whenever I have to meet up with people... so about twice a week |
| 11:29.00 | pHluid | heh |
| 11:29.11 | pHluid | "whenever I get out of the house... so like once or twice a month" |
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| 11:30.46 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 11:31.40 | ljp | hi |
| 11:32.46 | noidd | bout 2 months Tw |
| 11:32.49 | noidd | if that |
| 11:33.11 | noidd | I have really bad beardhair |
| 11:33.24 | noidd | withing a few hours of shaving my face is like sandpaper |
| 11:34.05 | ljp | use 'Nair' :) |
| 11:34.20 | noidd | I don't know what that is but it sounds scary |
| 11:34.41 | ljp | it's a creme that women canuse on their legs to remove hair |
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| 12:57.18 | ljp | please test advancedfm file copy and move from opie cvs... |
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| 13:42.54 | NetNut404_PDA | how do you make the buzzer work like it did pre OZ 3.2? |
| 13:45.58 | cynTop | flash to pre OZ 3.2 would be the easiest method |
| 13:46.16 | cynTop | other than that, the mailing list has some tips, something akin to moving the /dev/dsp# nodes around |
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| 13:50.31 | NetNut404_PDA | hmm.. those tips looked like they were for playing audio out the buzzer device |
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| 14:23.43 | ccamp | does the new xmms v.6 play using the internal speaker automatically? |
| 14:23.56 | ccamp | or do you have to do the dsp and mixer sym link tricks? |
| 14:24.55 | yeiazel | I've read yesterday that you don't need the tricks anymore |
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| 15:24.22 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:24.38 | ccamp | hey |
| 15:24.59 | ccamp | do you know about xmms and using the internal speaker? |
| 15:25.14 | kergoth | afaik its supposed to use it whenever the headphone jack doesnt have something plugged in |
| 15:25.28 | treke | its times like this that I hate unix permissions :) |
| 15:26.17 | kergoth | treke: working on opie as as user? |
| 15:26.26 | treke | nope. file server shit |
| 15:26.33 | kergoth | ahh |
| 15:26.33 | kergoth | fun |
| 15:28.00 | cynTop | whats yer timezone kergoth |
| 15:28.05 | cynTop | you in cali or somethin |
| 15:28.15 | kergoth | naw, i just work 10-7 |
| 15:28.19 | cynTop | ah |
| 15:28.21 | cynTop | so central |
| 15:28.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:28.48 | cynTop | so whats yer job, anything akin to OZ work - some embedded programmin or somethin? |
| 15:29.28 | kergoth | i wish |
| 15:29.32 | kergoth | I work in unix tech support |
| 15:29.37 | kergoth | frontlines, talking to idiots |
| 15:31.58 | cynTop | damn |
| 15:32.40 | cynTop | shelled out $600 for airline tix to memphis and gunna have to shell out for rental and hotel, and still don't know who all's givin my fiance job offers |
| 15:32.51 | cynTop | and I still have no solid leads, life is fuckin scary sometimes |
| 15:32.51 | kergoth | i talk to the customer so the engineers dont have to! whats wrong with you people! </office space> |
| 15:33.07 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 15:33.08 | cynTop | "so you don't really do.... anything, do you?" |
| 15:33.16 | cynTop | "what do... you do here!" |
| 15:33.50 | cynTop | she's got one offer like, most assuredly, but it's with some lady who will no doubt make her stressed out which will translate to a living hell for me heh |
| 15:34.01 | cynTop | but lots of overtime at time and a half! |
| 15:34.33 | kergoth | nice |
| 15:34.35 | kergoth | i miss overtime |
| 15:37.43 | chouimat | hi |
| 15:40.29 | noidd | kk |
| 15:40.38 | noidd | arse |
| 15:41.28 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 15:41.53 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 15:42.07 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
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| 15:59.24 | chouimat | kergoth: anything new?? |
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| 16:01.15 | TheMasterMind1 | this is so great |
| 16:01.17 | TheMasterMind1 | online from car |
| 16:01.19 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop + cellphone |
| 16:01.36 | cynTop | hope you aren't driving and typin |
| 16:01.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm not |
| 16:01.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm in the back |
| 16:01.51 | cynTop | excellent |
| 16:01.56 | cynTop | I did that with my clie + cellphone some |
| 16:02.13 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
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| 16:07.52 | chouimat | ~lart TheMasterMind1 for showing off |
| 16:08.07 | chouimat | I hope the car is still ok |
| 16:08.24 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:09.29 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: ::P |
| 16:14.40 | kergoth | wtf |
| 16:14.41 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 16:39.02 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:39.09 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 16:39.52 | noda | Who's seen the Honda Cog ad? :) |
| 16:39.58 | kergoth | not i |
| 16:40.08 | noda | I'll find a url. It's the ad of the decade, no question |
| 16:40.21 | kergoth | hey noda, can you do me a favor and satisfy my curiosity by checking the # of downlods of the 3.2 initrd.bin by unique ip? |
| 16:40.32 | noda | kergoth: http://www.beerisforwinners.com/stuff/cog.mov |
| 16:40.59 | noda | kergoth: The entire 2-minute movie has 1 second of CGI, which is only because they didn't have enough room (it's split at the muffler rolling) |
| 16:42.16 | noda | Checking DB btw |
| 16:42.31 | kergoth | k, thanks |
| 16:43.06 | noda | Wow, must've made some mistake... |
| 16:44.23 | noda | kergoth: 4148. That is by unique IP. |
| 16:44.57 | noda | kergoth: Congratulations -- I had no idea it was doing that well! :) |
| 16:44.59 | noidd | i'm scared to ask how many people downloaded perl-core by unique IP |
| 16:45.06 | noidd | its [probably 1 |
| 16:45.09 | noidd | :-P |
| 16:45.09 | noda | noidd: Luckily we don't keep track :) |
| 16:45.11 | kergoth | noda: damn |
| 16:45.20 | noda | kergoth: The number, or the ad? |
| 16:45.28 | kergoth | the #, i'm still downloading quicktime |
| 16:45.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:48.49 | noda | Perfect! Now I can go to class :) |
| 16:49.00 | kergoth | have fun |
| 16:49.10 | noda | I love my Zaurus! :) |
| 16:49.13 | noda | Later kergoth :) |
| 16:50.26 | noidd | noda: thats a current TV ad |
| 16:50.34 | noidd | in fact - its on my TV right now |
| 16:50.46 | noidd | (Sky News) |
| 16:51.04 | noidd | only the second half tho cos its prime-time |
| 16:51.10 | noidd | get the full version overnight |
| 16:51.21 | noidd | doh, he left |
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| 16:52.09 | noidd | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/04/15/1514246.shtml?tid=137 ## Hmm, more Z goodness |
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| 17:11.46 | masticator | morning |
| 17:13.30 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:16.06 | chouimat | hey masticator |
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| 17:47.14 | chouimat | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/04/15/1454218.shtml?tid=153 |
| 17:48.19 | chouimat | http://www.securityfocus.com/news/3912 |
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| 18:02.30 | treke | odd |
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| 18:49.05 | treke | masticator: isnt the 1inch hard drive just a micro drive? |
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| 19:00.50 | pHluid | treke: You said it was a good size ;[ |
| 19:07.48 | treke | pHluid: ? |
| 19:08.06 | pHluid | Treke: It was a joke. :P |
| 19:08.27 | treke | oh. I have no sense of humor today |
| 19:09.09 | pHluid | But anyways, connector on the 1 inch doesn't seem to be Microdrive compatible. |
| 19:09.28 | pHluid | Cornice Personal Storage is not a removable type, or not designed to be used for a slot with CompactFlash memory cards, but is designed to be embedded inside the device. The company has already done an operation check. |
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| 19:11.57 | pHluid | So doesn't really matter to me; if it's not replacable and not usable with current devices I won't care for some time to come |
| 19:12.11 | pHluid | Though it might help drive prices down on Microdrives, that'd be nice. |
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| 19:38.53 | kenb | ibot: oz bk |
| 19:38.58 | | i guess oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 19:57.31 | kenb | hm |
| 19:57.37 | kenb | RH 8.0 ships with autoconfig 2.53 |
| 19:57.45 | kenb | OZ BK now seems to need 2.54 |
| 19:57.53 | kergoth | eh |
| 19:57.59 | kergoth | enable autoconf isn host build tools |
| 19:58.02 | kergoth | s/isn/in/ |
| 19:58.07 | kenb | ah |
| 19:58.16 | kenb | I just cut/pasted from ibot |
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| 19:58.33 | kenb | autoconf is enabled. |
| 19:58.51 | kergoth | then its using autoconf from buildroot. |
| 19:58.55 | kergoth | it puts staging bindir at the top of the path |
| 19:59.04 | kenb | automake needs autoconf 2.54 |
| 19:59.21 | kergoth | .. |
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| 20:00.11 | kenb | so it's some sort of loop. |
| 20:00.28 | kenb | autoconf needs to be built before automake, and that's not happening. |
| 20:01.08 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:01.20 | kergoth | config AUTOMAKE |
| 20:01.20 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.20 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.22 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:01.27 | kenb | yes. |
| 20:01.33 | kenb | but that didn't seem to happen. |
| 20:01.40 | kenb | this is a fresh buildroot |
| 20:02.06 | kergoth | works just fine here |
| 20:02.08 | kenb | well, it looks like it built an autoconf |
| 20:02.15 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:02.25 | kenb | but chose not to use it. |
| 20:02.34 | kergoth | again, staging bindir is at the top of the path |
| 20:02.38 | kergoth | ls output/build/bin/ |
| 20:03.10 | kenb | buildroot-oz]$ ls output/build/bin |
| 20:03.11 | kenb | ls: output/build/bin: No such file or directory |
| 20:03.21 | kergoth | er output/staging/build/bin i mean |
| 20:03.55 | kenb | I have no autoconfig bins there. |
| 20:04.24 | kergoth | find output/staging -name autoconf |
| 20:04.48 | kergoth | i have autoconf bins in mine, this is a tree i cloned mid last week |
| 20:04.50 | kenb | nothing. |
| 20:04.56 | kenb | no files found |
| 20:04.57 | kergoth | then autoconf isnt built. |
| 20:05.10 | kenb | apparently. |
| 20:05.18 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/autoconf |
| 20:07.22 | kenb | rebuilt, ah |
| 20:07.30 | kenb | it looks like it's my fault. |
| 20:07.37 | kenb | i have DESTDIR set in my environment. |
| 20:07.46 | kenb | it listened to it |
| 20:07.51 | kergoth | ah |
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| 20:08.10 | kergoth | we should probably be specifying DESTDIR on the autoconf make install line |
| 20:08.18 | kergoth | which would override |
| 20:08.22 | kenb | yup |
| 20:08.31 | kenb | it installed it into /z/freeswan-2.00rc4/ |
| 20:08.43 | kenb | which is where it was set for building freeswan ipkgs. |
| 20:08.55 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:08.59 | kenb | I wonder if we shouldn't totally override it. |
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| 20:09.16 | kergoth | kenb: we should be specifying it on every amek install line |
| 20:09.28 | kergoth | kenb: some of the host build tools rely on the prefix set in the ./configure to control it |
| 20:09.35 | kenb | yes, and override it in the main Makefile |
| 20:09.39 | kergoth | kenb: the non host build tools should be specifying it already, so wouldnt see the problem |
| 20:09.50 | kergoth | no, becaue what destdir is depends on context |
| 20:10.00 | kergoth | its either staging or the ipk temp dir for the ipk being built |
| 20:10.02 | kenb | yup. but currently we only set it sometimes, it seems. |
| 20:10.14 | kergoth | now, we could have Vars.make just unexport it, remove it from the environment of submakes |
| 20:10.16 | kenb | so we should set it to a sane default, and then override depending on context |
| 20:10.22 | kenb | yup |
| 20:10.23 | kergoth | i'd say provide no default |
| 20:10.27 | kenb | okay |
| 20:10.47 | kergoth | actually, a simpel 'unexport DESTDIR' in Vars.make may be sufficient |
| 20:10.51 | kergoth | you want to test it? |
| 20:10.55 | kenb | yea. |
| 20:13.07 | kenb | make clean doesn't kill the host build tools. hm. |
| 20:14.08 | kergoth | clean should be recursing into every enabled packages/ item |
| 20:14.15 | kenb | kergoth: quick way to kill output/staging and have it clean up? |
| 20:14.25 | kenb | kergoth: it goes into packages/autoconf and wipes it |
| 20:14.33 | kenb | but it leaves the stuff in output/staging/* |
| 20:14.41 | kergoth | rm -rf output/staging/* stamps/.*staging* |
| 20:14.46 | kergoth | that shoudl be clean-staging, but i dont recall |
| 20:15.14 | kenb | make clean-staging isn't a target |
| 20:16.07 | kergoth | bleh, i'll add it |
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| 20:16.48 | kenb | running that manually didn't fix it either |
| 20:17.59 | kenb | seems to have totally skipping auto* now. hm |
| 20:18.12 | kenb | I did a make clean-sources in hopes it would get a clue |
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| 20:34.59 | Twiun | hey |
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| 20:52.42 | yakito | hi all |
| 20:57.09 | Twiun | hey yak |
| 21:00.57 | SuKoShi | hi |
| 21:02.33 | Twiun | hey SuK |
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| 21:20.55 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 21:21.37 | Dessimat0r | Getting an AMD Athlon 2800+ (Barton core), perhaps tomorrow |
| 21:21.58 | Dessimat0r | :D |
| 21:26.29 | chouimat | ~lart Dessimat0r |
| 21:29.45 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:37.21 | Neo|Work | Dessimat0r: what made you go for Athlon? |
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| 21:54.46 | Twiun | anyone know what this means? |
| 21:54.53 | Twiun | libfsj.so:ELF file's phentsize not the expected size |
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| 21:59.54 | kergoth | argh. |
| 22:00.47 | Twiun | you ok? |
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| 22:13.14 | hideaway | anybody have clues about OZ 3.2 showing "no information about a disconnected interface" whenever I try to view info on wlan0? i've configured it correctly, told it to automatically bring it up on boot, etc. |
| 22:13.52 | noidd | hideaway: yeah - UNselect the "at boot" option |
| 22:14.01 | noidd | its misnamed - it doesn't mean what you think it does |
| 22:14.11 | kergoth | its not misnamed |
| 22:14.19 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:14.28 | kergoth | it just has consequences you wouldnt expect |
| 22:14.31 | noidd | ok, everyone misunderstands it :-) |
| 22:14.41 | kergoth | no |
| 22:14.43 | kergoth | well |
| 22:14.47 | kergoth | everyone but me |
| 22:14.48 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:14.52 | hideaway | ok, I unchecked it and I'm getting the same thing. |
| 22:15.16 | kergoth | eject and reinsert the card |
| 22:15.45 | hideaway | same thing. :-\ |
| 22:16.09 | kergoth | ifconfig -a |
| 22:16.12 | kergoth | iwconfig wlan0 |
| 22:16.30 | hideaway | it's there |
| 22:16.36 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:16.39 | hideaway | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
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| 22:16.41 | kergoth | and is th eessid etc correct? |
| 22:16.42 | Speedy2 | re |
| 22:16.44 | kergoth | does it have an IP/ |
| 22:16.46 | kergoth | hey speedy |
| 22:16.46 | hideaway | can't paste; don't have network :-) |
| 22:16.51 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth. |
| 22:16.55 | hideaway | no, there's no essid set there |
| 22:19.04 | chouimat | heey |
| 22:19.22 | hideaway | iwconfig shows the right essid |
| 22:20.42 | hideaway | iwgetid -a doesn't show anything. i don't think the WEP key is getting set. |
| 22:20.54 | kergoth | hideaway: check /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 22:21.38 | treke | hmmm. now I dont know what to do with myself the rest of the day :) |
| 22:21.51 | hideaway | ah. KEY0 is commented out. |
| 22:22.33 | hideaway | hmm. but KEY is set what looks to be right.. KEY="<secret word> restricted" |
| 22:25.22 | Dessimat0r | Neo|Work: the cost, and I love AMDs ;) |
| 22:25.37 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 22:26.10 | treke | ibot, oz buildroot |
| 22:26.10 | | oz bk is, like, bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:29.22 | Speedy2 | Got my CPU in today. Now I await memory. |
| 22:29.34 | kergoth | argh argh argh |
| 22:29.40 | kergoth | i could use a drink. |
| 22:30.11 | treke | uh oh |
| 22:30.30 | treke | mickeyl|away added cvs to buildroot |
| 22:30.34 | kergoth | scratch that, i could use many many drinks |
| 22:31.08 | kergoth | he planning to check out opie on his pda? :) |
| 22:31.27 | treke | wonder if that puts us in violation of the bk license :) |
| 22:31.40 | noidd | hehe |
| 22:31.41 | kergoth | i hope he didnt patch it |
| 22:31.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:31.54 | treke | thankully no |
| 22:32.07 | hideaway | when I try to update the key myself with iwconfig, I get "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device wlan 0; invalid argument." |
| 22:32.21 | kergoth | hideaway: you using an ascii or a hex key? |
| 22:32.26 | hideaway | tried both. |
| 22:32.43 | hideaway | it worked with an ascii key w/OZ 3.1-rc2 (or was it rc1? I forget) |
| 22:33.09 | kergoth | ascii key you must prefix with s: |
| 22:33.17 | hideaway | ah. ok, let me try that. |
| 22:34.03 | hideaway | `iwconfig wlan0 key s:<foo> restricted` gives me argument list too long. |
| 22:34.14 | kergoth | thats valid syntax |
| 22:34.16 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:34.20 | kergoth | try removing restricted |
| 22:34.34 | hideaway | same. |
| 22:34.54 | kergoth | odd. |
| 22:34.58 | kergoth | spaces in the key or no? |
| 22:35.15 | hideaway | none. it's 22 characters long. |
| 22:35.29 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:36.01 | hideaway | looking at dmesg, i've got: |
| 22:36.21 | hideaway | wlan0: hfa384x_cmd: command was not completed (res=0, entry=c2f316a0, type=0, cmd=0x0001, param0=0x000) |
| 22:36.25 | hideaway | set_encryption or reset_port failed |
| 22:36.39 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:37.11 | hideaway | after a LinkStatus=1 (Connected) |
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| 22:45.00 | Speedy2 | Hey all. What do you think? '96 Corvette Special Edition, 330HP engine, 6-speed. Only $18,000 |
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| 22:45.18 | noda | Moo! |
| 22:45.35 | noidd | stuff compiled with gcc 3.2 is not binary compatable with OZ right? |
| 22:45.56 | kergoth | C apps are |
| 22:45.58 | kergoth | c++ arent |
| 22:46.00 | kergoth | the c++ ABI changed |
| 22:46.10 | noidd | fortran is probably fine then :-) |
| 22:46.18 | noda | kergoth: Moo :) |
| 22:46.24 | noidd | i'm reading the zauaus mailing list for the first time ever |
| 22:46.33 | noidd | someone is trying to cross-compile clisp |
| 22:46.42 | noda | sf.net needs a good mailing list web interface. |
| 22:47.39 | kergoth | sf.net needs a better interface in general. |
| 22:47.46 | noidd | noda: indeed - I still havnt managed to sub to the oz lists |
| 22:48.07 | treke | fortran is anything but fine :) |
| 22:48.18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:48.20 | noda | Yeah, seriously. I don't see how they're so successful, just about everything is crap. |
| 22:48.33 | chouimat|food | noodle errr noda |
| 22:48.37 | kergoth | noda: theres no better alternative |
| 22:48.41 | noda | I guess. |
| 22:48.51 | noda | I was thinking more, "Shove enough money at a project and it'll succeed" |
| 22:49.06 | treke | shoot. my home computer seems to have crashed |
| 22:49.14 | noda | Well, I don't mind their shell -- heck, I can run cronjobs etc :) |
| 22:49.27 | treke | too bad its slow as ass :) |
| 22:49.36 | noda | Oh, hey, here's a real Zaurus-related question: should I break down and install a Windows partition so I can play Unreal 2? |
| 22:49.37 | Speedy2 | noidd: I think there is already an XF86 port for the Z. |
| 22:49.49 | kergoth | Speedy2: X runs fine on the Z |
| 22:49.56 | treke | noda: no :) |
| 22:49.57 | kergoth | using tslib in fact |
| 22:50.21 | kergoth | noidd: xfree86 is in buildroot.. |
| 22:50.40 | noidd | I know, its the verson in buildroot that isn't building for me |
| 22:50.50 | kergoth | built fine last time i tested it |
| 22:50.52 | noidd | I get this: |
| 22:50.56 | kergoth | which was before mallum's most recent changeset |
| 22:50.57 | noidd | imakemdep.h:779: linux/version.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:51.07 | noidd | so i'm probably missing a symlink or something in there |
| 22:51.13 | kergoth | noidd: does output/staging/include/linux/version.h exist? |
| 22:51.41 | noidd | kergoth: yes |
| 22:51.52 | noda | I wonder who I mail to plead for UT2 on linux |
| 22:51.56 | noda | Erm, U2 on Linux rather |
| 22:51.57 | kergoth | noidd: then that compile line is missing the staging dir in the include path |
| 22:52.42 | noidd | yeah - i'm going up the confiug tree now - see if I can find the source of my problems |
| 22:52.47 | treke | noda: probably not likely |
| 22:52.58 | treke | noda: the person who would do it is a bit busy as it is :) |
| 22:53.29 | noda | treke: Unreal Tournament and UT2003 are both available for Linux -- heck, UT2003 was out of the box. I think Unreal also has Linux support. |
| 22:53.31 | noidd | why its doing this: linking /home/red/projects/buildroot-oz/output/staging/XXcompiler/ranlib to arm-linux-ranlib |
| 22:53.37 | noidd | is beyond me at the moment |
| 22:53.59 | pb__ | I think that's some bad hack that's needed to cross-compile xfree86. |
| 22:54.01 | kergoth | because xfree86 cant handle a crosscompiler prefix |
| 22:54.03 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:54.08 | treke | noda: yes. But it would still take time. Any Ryan Gordon already has four other games on his plate |
| 22:54.52 | noda | *sigh* I can't see why it takes so long, compared to UT2003 which was *out of the box* |
| 22:55.27 | noda | I mean, it *is* for profit. Probably lots of profit. |
| 22:55.53 | noda | Or is the Linux-only gaming population smaller than I think? |
| 22:55.55 | treke | noda: the last numbers were that less than one percent of the ut2003 players used linux |
| 22:56.03 | noda | Ouch |
| 22:56.06 | treke | .6% |
| 22:57.10 | noidd | hmm, it has the correct lags in the initial make, its just not being propagated |
| 22:57.55 | kergoth | talk to mallum in #elinux |
| 22:58.00 | kergoth | he maintains the xfree86 and matchbox packages |
| 22:58.06 | kergoth | he's the matchbox maintainer |
| 22:58.26 | noidd | ok, i'll give taht a go - thanks |
| 23:02.28 | noidd | i'll try again later kergoth - thanks for trying |
| 23:03.05 | kergoth | np |
| 23:03.22 | kergoth | noidd: he just appearaed |
| 23:03.28 | kergoth | 18:02 -!- noidd [~arse@66-193-15-64.gen.twtelecom.net] has left #elinux [] |
| 23:03.29 | kergoth | 18:03 < mallum> kergoth: pong |
| 23:03.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:09.48 | noidd | bed time for me |
| 23:09.50 | noidd | later all |
| 23:10.05 | noiddZZzz | might port lisp tomorrow |
| 23:10.10 | kergoth | later |
| 23:10.11 | noiddZZzz | <-- Bracket Fetishist |
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| 23:53.13 | ljp | rain |
| 23:55.15 | chouimat|tv | hey ljp |
| 23:57.48 | ljp | hi choui |
| 23:58.03 | ljp | it's a gully-washer! |
| 23:58.34 | chouimat|tv | ljp: the rain? |
| 23:59.28 | chouimat|tv | on bbl tv |
| 23:59.43 | ljp | yes. gullywasher |
