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| 00:40.47 | ljp | oh man I could never be a tech support guy |
| 00:47.19 | lsmith | cause you are a girl? ;-) |
| 00:50.53 | ljp | no |
| 00:51.06 | ljp | cause I have no patience |
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| 01:01.25 | ljp | ohhh, how cure. my cat brought in another stick to play with |
| 01:01.28 | ljp | cute |
| 01:02.27 | chouimat | ljp: how many in the house? |
| 01:03.12 | ljp | sticks?! not real sure, so far, I think 3 or 4 |
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| 01:06.12 | rusty^_^ | çhi all |
| 01:11.36 | ljp | hi |
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| 02:09.22 | ivan | god damn i've had at least 6 crashes in the cradle |
| 02:10.25 | Terrasque | throw the cradle out the window |
| 02:10.35 | ivan | i need usb connectivity |
| 02:10.40 | ivan | can't afford an ethernet card |
| 02:10.49 | Terrasque | mug an old lady |
| 02:11.41 | ivan | is it normal for the screen to look like crap? |
| 02:11.52 | ivan | it has vertical lines that change color in the background when there's a solid color |
| 02:12.13 | ivan | like it's not using double buffering for screen redraws or something |
| 02:12.38 | Dessimat0r | ivan: thats not right, solid colours should be solid |
| 02:12.50 | ivan | it is solid |
| 02:13.10 | ivan | it just has a slight moire pattern on half the frames |
| 02:13.13 | Dessimat0r | ivan: I know, you told me ;) I'm saying that something is up |
| 02:13.48 | bobcat | tabarnack! |
| 02:14.10 | ivan | maybe i just have good vision |
| 02:14.24 | ivan | but my eyes are all funny when i look back at my decent LCD screen |
| 02:15.26 | ivan | lamer |
| 02:16.28 | Dessimat0r | idiot |
| 02:17.14 | Dessimat0r | good-night |
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| 02:21.23 | mrwoody | hey all... |
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| 02:21.47 | mrwoody | it seems that the bug resume/suspend got worse in oz3.2 ... can anyone guess why? |
| 02:23.14 | ivan | because the developers are rich and use wireless network cards instead of the cradle |
| 02:26.13 | icefox | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=971 |
| 02:26.15 | icefox | whahahaha |
| 02:26.24 | icefox | oh wait it isn't "tan" in the american sense |
| 02:27.00 | ivan | what kind of other tan is there |
| 02:27.18 | mrwoody | ivan: cradle? |
| 02:27.37 | mrwoody | ivan: i am talking about the cf card bug |
| 02:28.07 | ivan | no it crashes because it's in the cradle |
| 02:28.26 | mrwoody | ivan: ? no... read the bug cf card resume/suspend |
| 02:28.44 | mrwoody | ivan: if you want, you can say it crashes also for that reason |
| 02:29.06 | mrwoody | \msg icefox do you think sharp rom is more stable? |
| 02:29.31 | bobcat | hi mrwoody |
| 02:31.49 | ivan | \msg mrwoody a/s/l |
| 02:32.01 | ivan | \msg ibot plz help |
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| 02:33.12 | ivan | the lines are much less visible with the opie image instead of a grey background for the tabs |
| 02:33.35 | ivan | nevermind |
| 02:33.38 | ivan | my zaurus sucks |
| 02:33.41 | ivan | i need something else |
| 02:34.59 | icefox | table then what? |
| 02:35.16 | icefox | stable |
| 02:35.37 | ivan | is there a program to change the refresh rate? |
| 02:35.42 | icefox | of? |
| 02:35.47 | ivan | the screen |
| 02:35.49 | icefox | nope |
| 02:36.03 | ivan | well my screen sucks |
| 02:36.05 | ivan | i need to fix it |
| 02:36.10 | icefox | bummer |
| 02:36.13 | icefox | call sharp |
| 02:36.20 | icefox | in the us 1800-be-sharp |
| 02:36.23 | ivan | ok |
| 02:37.11 | ivan | it's a lot more noticable if i move my head from side to side |
| 02:37.25 | ivan | there's a bunch of vertical lines |
| 02:37.31 | ivan | a little darker than what's supposed to be there |
| 02:45.09 | mrwoody | icefox: do you know about the cf card? |
| 02:45.20 | mrwoody | icefox: i mean the bug with resume/suspend? |
| 02:45.39 | mrwoody | icefox: do you know if the sharp rom has the problem? |
| 02:46.53 | ivan | my friend commited suicide and now a friggin crappy LCD screen |
| 02:52.53 | ivan | how bad is sharp tech support? |
| 02:53.00 | ivan | is it closer to SBC or tivo? |
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| 02:54.25 | ivan | i posted a diary on kuro5hin and someone said it was "temporal dithering" |
| 02:54.36 | ivan | A lot of LCD screens use various "temporal dithering" techniques to provide different brightness levels, and sometimes there's a visible retrace, especially when it's next to a flickering source of light (such as fluorescent bulbs), or if it's misadjusted. The Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance provide an adjustment for that stuff (which is hidden, and which you're never, ever supposed to tweak because it can supposedly fry the LC |
| 02:57.01 | mithro | hey everyone |
| 02:57.05 | mithro | ibot, seen kergoth |
| 02:57.06 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 3h 8m 37s ago, saying: 'a digi driver with sane packaging for the first time in the history of the world'. |
| 03:05.12 | mithro | brb |
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| 03:10.08 | treke|home | uhoh kergoth is fucked. a sane digi driver?! |
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| 03:12.26 | masticator | ivan: its close to dealing with the Motor Vehicle Bureau. |
| 03:12.50 | masticator | and that would be on a good day. |
| 03:12.55 | bobcat | hey masticator |
| 03:14.15 | masticator | 'lo bob. |
| 03:14.35 | ivan | masticator: oh crap |
| 03:14.44 | ivan | i better just get a replacement from HSN then |
| 03:15.25 | bobcat | grrrrrr |
| 03:15.29 | masticator | yeah, that would be prudent. |
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| 03:17.15 | bobcat | masticator: look who here |
| 03:18.44 | ictyl | anybody know of a vncviewer that can display at 2x scale (i.e. four pixels on viewer for every pixel on host)? |
| 03:18.53 | treke|home | keypebble |
| 03:19.22 | ictyl | my vnc-ed z looks so small on my desktop's monitor |
| 03:20.54 | ivan | umm it's a fbvncserver option |
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| 03:20.56 | ivan | -help |
| 03:21.02 | snerf-oz | hi |
| 03:21.24 | snerf-oz | this is hard to type on hehe |
| 03:21.37 | ictyl | ahh, i didn't think to look on the server end of things. thanks |
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| 03:24.05 | ivan | and i thought japan made things right |
| 03:24.41 | ivan | sometimes i think foreign countries purposely put flaws in all the screens to make the americans blind |
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| 04:16.16 | chouimat | wow nice spam: http://www.russianwomenseeklove.com/?oc=5206 |
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| 04:18.49 | chouimat|shower | hi NeoTron |
| 04:19.15 | NeoTron | hey |
| 04:30.22 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:31.52 | kergoth`tv | treke|home: are you able to build images with current ipkg? |
| 04:41.59 | icefox | hehe anayone want a 2MB list over every free 4 letter domain name :) |
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| 06:01.32 | masticator | yo yo yo. |
| 06:01.37 | NeoTron | hey there |
| 06:01.48 | masticator | kergoth: no rom, eh? |
| 06:02.26 | masticator | "Do you have any ROMs, he asked, knowing the answer to be no." |
| 06:02.37 | masticator | "The cat ate it" |
| 06:02.55 | masticator | "Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to shoot you." |
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| 06:37.35 | masticator | oh man. |
| 06:37.39 | masticator | this is too funny. |
| 06:37.41 | masticator | http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ |
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| 07:12.20 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030412&mode=classic |
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| 07:38.15 | SuKoShi | :( i still have troubles compiling OZ's Buildroot |
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| 08:39.48 | noidd | `lo |
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| 09:55.54 | Zxcvb | any idea what Ubrowser does? |
| 09:56.16 | noidd | its a small web browser |
| 09:56.23 | noidd | u stands for micro I assume |
| 09:56.33 | Zxcvb | what does it support? |
| 09:56.38 | noidd | no clue |
| 09:56.40 | noidd | :-) |
| 09:56.52 | Zxcvb | is it like lynx, only qtopia based instead of console? |
| 09:57.00 | noidd | no clue |
| 09:57.06 | noidd | do you have it installed yet? |
| 09:57.15 | Zxcvb | have to wait until monday for my memory card |
| 09:57.24 | noidd | ok, i'll install it and tell you |
| 09:57.26 | noidd | one sec |
| 09:57.40 | Zxcvb | unless you know of a zaurus emulator for the x86 |
| 09:58.16 | Zxcvb | or an x86 version of openzaurus that includes a strongarm CPU emulator to run native zaurus software |
| 10:00.27 | noidd | whats the full name of the package#/ |
| 10:00.31 | noidd | opie-ubrowser? |
| 10:00.34 | noidd | ubrowser? |
| 10:01.22 | Zxcvb | on the openzaurus.org page |
| 10:01.38 | Zxcvb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.39 | Zxcvb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.00 | Zxcvb | how are feeds handled? |
| 10:02.03 | Zxcvb | are they just HTTP? |
| 10:02.19 | noidd | yes |
| 10:02.23 | noidd | its a http directory |
| 10:02.30 | noidd | and tehre is a file called PACKAGES |
| 10:02.37 | noidd | which contains data about what they are |
| 10:02.45 | Zxcvb | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/opie-ubrowser_0.1-20030328-1_arm.ipk |
| 10:05.06 | noidd | looks just like an ordinary browser |
| 10:05.33 | noidd | brb |
| 10:07.25 | Zxcvb | text and basic images |
| 10:07.30 | Zxcvb | not even forms support |
| 10:11.54 | cwaig | uBrowser sucks |
| 10:12.18 | cwaig | works not at all... |
| 10:12.55 | Zxcvb | cwaig: yeah, if you need frames, forms, or anything more than the most basic html |
| 10:13.08 | Zxcvb | need qemu on the Z |
| 10:13.50 | cwaig | to be honest, it wouldn't even load google for me, so back to opera...... |
| 10:14.01 | Zxcvb | how is opera on openzaurus? |
| 10:14.08 | Zxcvb | does the toolbar work correctly? |
| 10:14.31 | Zxcvb | google uses forms |
| 10:14.58 | cwaig | what's it supposed to do? I enter a URL in the combo, hit return, title bar shows the url but nothing happens :( |
| 10:15.40 | cwaig | ahh - got it, compulsory http prefix... |
| 10:17.31 | Zxcvb | and google won't work, as it uses forms |
| 10:17.38 | Zxcvb | well, it should load, but won't let you search |
| 10:17.50 | Zxcvb | cwaig: how is opera on OZ? |
| 10:18.03 | cwaig | works fine |
| 10:18.08 | Zxcvb | cwaig: toolbars? |
| 10:18.13 | cwaig | yup |
| 10:18.24 | Zxcvb | cwaig: how about hancomword and sheet |
| 10:18.29 | Zxcvb | cwaig: do they work, including the toolbar? |
| 10:19.01 | cwaig | I modified the script from opera creator to extract opera from a romburst instead of having to re-flash Sharp to get it |
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| 10:21.00 | Zxcvb | cwaig: will one extracted from the sharp rom work just as well? |
| 10:21.05 | cwaig | hancom works fine as well |
| 10:21.12 | cwaig | yeah - |
| 10:21.21 | Zxcvb | cwaig: any bugs? |
| 10:21.31 | cwaig | the hancom ipk's were just the ones dl'ed from the hancom web site |
| 10:21.40 | cwaig | none I've noticed |
| 10:21.43 | Zxcvb | cwaig: how do you download those? |
| 10:22.13 | cwaig | erm....do a search on the devnet forum, there's a post there with the download URL's |
| 10:22.49 | cwaig | (you might need to enter the serial # of your Z to download them) |
| 10:23.05 | Zxcvb | cwaig: I have a 5500 |
| 10:23.15 | cwaig | me to - so? |
| 10:23.54 | cwaig | one bug - opera doesn't use full width if you rotate the screen |
| 10:24.07 | Zxcvb | how long do I have to wait for a response from the server? |
| 10:24.12 | cwaig | (but that's true on sharp rom as well) |
| 10:24.28 | cwaig | what server? |
| 10:24.35 | Zxcvb | hancom |
| 10:24.45 | cwaig | dunno |
| 10:25.34 | Zxcvb | what is the URL for devnet |
| 10:25.50 | cwaig | here's url's for the apps instead... |
| 10:25.57 | cwaig | http://mobile.hancom.com/download/engligh/hancommobileword_1.4.4_arm.ipk |
| 10:26.03 | cwaig | http://mobile.hancom.com/download/engligh/hancomsheet-en_1.0.1_arm.ipk |
| 10:26.13 | cwaig | http://mobile.hancom.com/download/engligh/hancompresenterviewer_1.2.8_arm.ipk |
| 10:26.53 | Zxcvb | cwaig: so there are new versions not available in the sharp rom? |
| 10:27.44 | cwaig | don't know guvnor - these work on my OZ 3.2, is all I know (opera6 is due from Sharp RSN though) |
| 10:27.59 | Zxcvb | cwaig: probably only for the 5600 |
| 10:28.15 | cwaig | no, 5500 as well |
| 10:28.36 | Zxcvb | cwaig: will there be scripts to get them from romburst? |
| 10:28.58 | cwaig | I'd wait and see - probaby |
| 10:50.44 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.50 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.55 | noidd | so I kill xmms |
| 10:51.00 | noidd | and re-start it on a radio station |
| 10:51.05 | noidd | and the same song is playing |
| 10:51.12 | noidd | since this happens in the background - I go and start debugging my remote xmms scripts |
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| 10:53.15 | Zxcvb | noidd: why do you use xmms? |
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| 10:58.48 | Zxcvb | too bad hancom doesn't support word 6 documents |
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| 11:16.06 | noidd | what would you suggest? |
| 11:16.28 | Zxcvb | opieplayer2? |
| 11:24.30 | noidd | on my desktop? |
| 11:25.19 | Zxcvb | oh |
| 11:35.05 | noidd | hey raster, i'm on my way out - but good State of the E-nion |
| 11:35.27 | noidd | later |
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| 12:26.32 | mickeyl | morning ljp |
| 12:27.04 | ljp | hi |
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| 12:39.45 | vir182 | whenever i try to upgrad with ipkg i screw up the whole installation of my Zaurus :-( i just made: ipkg upgrade and it started to DL ipkg package, after a couple seconds it stopped with no message and now when i use run ipkg i get a screen full of packages liek "Package wireless-tools version 24-1a has no architecture specified, defaulting to arm." ... any suggestion how i can fix ipkg? |
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| 12:41.09 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 12:41.18 | vir182 | hi Dessimat0r |
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| 12:45.15 | ljp | hmmm.. note to self, ssh into zaurus is not the same filesystem as your desktop. |
| 12:45.24 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:46.48 | ljp | I was searching and search for my opie cvs.. hehehe |
| 12:46.53 | vir182 | heh |
| 12:47.02 | ljp | coffee hasnt soaked in yet |
| 12:47.11 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:47.40 | vir182 | hmm something is defintely wrong. when i try to make: ipkg upgrade i get 6 lines of output like: pnvaac: a=ipkg b=ipkg |
| 12:47.44 | mickeyl | D'oh. The first SL5600 users arrive in various forums and are wondering why things which they are used to from OpenZaurus don't work :-D |
| 12:47.48 | vir182 | pnvaac: a->version=0x41180 b->version=0x85ea0 |
| 12:47.50 | vir182 | etc |
| 12:47.57 | vir182 | any suggestion how i upgrade thos stuff? |
| 12:48.27 | vir182 | what is this pnvaac |
| 12:48.28 | mickeyl | no idea - ipkg is in state of flux |
| 12:48.39 | mickeyl | you might ask aman |
| 12:48.43 | mickeyl | ibot: seen agupta |
| 12:48.47 | | agupta <~agupta@astrotrain.tjhsst.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2d 17h 37m 13s ago, saying: 'kergoth: wassup'. |
| 12:48.47 | mickeyl | ibot: seen aman |
| 12:48.47 | | aman <foobar@h-68-166-64-142.MCLNVA23.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 7d 19h 35m 16s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
| 12:49.01 | mickeyl | agupta even |
| 12:49.01 | vir182 | problem is i cant play ogg files. and i have no clue why. it tells me i have not installed the codec. but my libogg is installed and the symbolic links are ok |
| 12:49.04 | ljp | oohh, looks like helix finally added vorbis |
| 12:53.29 | ljp | I dont think people know how to operate city time |
| 12:54.15 | ljp | my log here of #handhelds.org last night. someone said they are going back to gpw cause city time doesnt have central time zone |
| 12:54.24 | ljp | gpe that is |
| 12:54.30 | pb_ | hah |
| 12:55.09 | vir182 | how is this utility called which recreates the smybolic links on my Zaurus? |
| 12:55.21 | mickeyl | ipkg-link |
| 12:55.23 | ljp | ipkg-link |
| 12:56.10 | vir182 | thx |
| 12:56.31 | ljp | ipkg-link mount /mnt/cf |
| 12:57.20 | vir182 | i really should make a note about this command. i already see me asking again in 4 weeks when i upgrade again ;-) |
| 12:59.53 | ljp | get those littel sticky notes, and put it on the side of your desktop monitor |
| 13:00.03 | ljp | little |
| 13:01.07 | ljp | ya know... maybe I should start work on my helix plugin instead of concentrating on the darned codec build |
| 13:01.44 | ljp | need a different plan of action here |
| 13:02.06 | vir182 | hmm, damn, i cant play ogg files with the opie-mediaplayer2. it wants a opieplayer-codecs, which i can't find |
| 13:03.36 | ljp | there's a new ogg plugin for opieplayer1 |
| 13:03.44 | ljp | you could test that for me |
| 13:05.00 | vir182 | i already have installed opie-player2. i don't want to downgrade (not to mention that i have no idea how). and it seems ipkg is fu*** up again |
| 13:06.09 | ljp | hmm, there should be libxine1 for openzaurus |
| 13:06.18 | ljp | instead of that codecs package |
| 13:07.06 | vir182 | i have that installed |
| 13:07.36 | vir182 | libxine1 replaced my opie-mediaplayer-codecs |
| 13:08.34 | ljp | and it doesnt find ogg? or refuses to play them? |
| 13:09.08 | ljp | error messages? |
| 13:09.30 | ljp | note to self: zaurus in cradle is NOT a cup of coffee |
| 13:09.38 | vir182 | just opens a little windowd and tells me that no decoder for this mediatype installed |
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| 13:10.20 | vir182 | like: no decode for this media tpye installed -- do you have installed opie-player-codecs? |
| 13:10.39 | ljp | hmmm |
| 13:10.48 | vir182 | ljp did you try to drink from your craddle? ;-) |
| 13:10.51 | ljp | them darned ipaq developers |
| 13:11.00 | ljp | I reached for it, yes |
| 13:14.30 | ljp | I guess I had a hard night's sleep last night |
| 13:14.34 | Piete | lol |
| 13:18.34 | vir182 | hey i fixed it |
| 13:18.48 | vir182 | damn lobogg and libvorbis was linked to an non existant file on the cf |
| 13:19.09 | ljp | which file? |
| 13:19.28 | vir182 | ipkg tries to make links on my CF which is fat and then the ipkg-link does notlink in the irght way (that's my assumtion) |
| 13:19.47 | vir182 | libvorbisidec.so -> /mnt/cf/usr/lib/libvorbisidec.so |
| 13:19.55 | vir182 | but /mnt/cf/usr/lib/libvorbisidec.so did not exist |
| 13:20.10 | vir182 | which should have been a link on itslef to /mnt/cf/usr/lib/libvorbisidec.so.1.0.2 |
| 13:21.00 | vir182 | all packages which i installed on my CF and which try to make links on the CF screw up sooner or later |
| 13:21.15 | ljp | vfat doesnt handle symlinks |
| 13:21.21 | vir182 | i know |
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| 13:50.37 | ljp | do these spammers really believe I can read Chinese, German, and Spanish!?! |
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| 14:30.25 | vir182 | ljp well i can read them except chinese ;-) |
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| 15:23.38 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:24.26 | yeiazel | "17:23 <chouimat> morning" ... heh :) |
| 15:25.33 | chouimat | yeiazel: :P |
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| 15:43.33 | icefox | Morning |
| 15:44.15 | chouimat | hi icefox |
| 15:46.12 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030412&mode=classic |
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| 15:49.41 | OctaneZ | anyone used syncing a zaurus under linux? (trying to get it working so I can upgrade) |
| 15:50.18 | chouimat | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1001 |
| 15:52.14 | mrwoody | chouimat: GPL +14$? interesting |
| 15:52.18 | mrwoody | do they give the sources? |
| 15:53.10 | ivan | the first person that buys it can redistribute it |
| 15:53.18 | ivan | i bet they're idiots and didn't know that |
| 15:54.37 | mrwoody | well maybe they were aiming to receive 14$ in total |
| 15:55.04 | ivan | what's the tnn. usenet group all about? |
| 15:55.13 | ivan | is it like a utopian society or something? |
| 15:57.59 | SuKoShi | are there C700 owners here? |
| 15:58.11 | yeiazel | you are :) |
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| 15:59.04 | chouimat | ljp_: http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php <--- I'm Apple DOS 3.1 :) |
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| 16:05.09 | chouimat | kergoth: go pass this test http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php |
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| 16:08.07 | ivan | i got mac os x |
| 16:09.25 | ivan | haha i selected all the bottom answers and got GNU/Hurd |
| 16:10.44 | chouimat | ivan: me too ... and I wonder what is that sausage of power? |
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| 16:13.17 | drw | eek...I am XP...going to go kill myself now... |
| 16:16.45 | chouimat | http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz_all.html |
| 16:17.43 | kergoth | 'Stand up and scream: "He's having an affair with Lumbergh's wife!"' |
| 16:17.44 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:20.02 | kergoth | i am TRSDOS |
| 16:20.55 | chouimat | kergoth: llol |
| 16:21.39 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 16:21.41 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 7 C (46 F), windspeed is 28.97 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1500 UTC). |
| 16:22.34 | kergoth | i still cant seem to fucking install a base-modules package into the rootfs |
| 16:22.38 | kergoth | exit code 139, isnt that a segfault? |
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| 16:33.26 | pb_ | yeah, that's sigsegv |
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| 16:39.38 | kergoth | arg |
| 16:39.54 | kergoth | pb_: if i run the ipkg commands manually, it seems to work, but doesnt when my script does it. i'm going insane |
| 16:40.07 | pb_ | hell. |
| 16:40.39 | kergoth | i hate problems like that. i'm sure its not this insane, i must be doing something different between them |
| 16:40.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:40.42 | kergoth | brb |
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| 16:50.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:50.53 | kergoth | so i have this one ipk that causes ipkg to segfault |
| 16:51.20 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:51.35 | pb_ | is the ipk ill-formed, or is this just a general ipkg bug? |
| 16:51.53 | kergoth | not certain.. i dont see anything horribly wrong with the ipk |
| 16:52.04 | kergoth | it was built by ipkg-build, so any major huge contorl file syntax problems are gone |
| 16:52.16 | kergoth | <flood> |
| 16:52.17 | kergoth | ~/5600$ ipkgcontrol output/ipks/base-modules_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-3b_poodle.ipk |
| 16:52.20 | kergoth | Package: base-modules |
| 16:52.23 | kergoth | Section: kernel |
| 16:52.25 | kergoth | Priority: optional |
| 16:52.28 | kergoth | Version: 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-3b |
| 16:52.30 | kergoth | Architecture: poodle |
| 16:52.33 | kergoth | Maintainer: Chris Larson <kergoth@handhelds.org> |
| 16:52.36 | kergoth | Depends: modutils, kernel-image-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 16:52.38 | kergoth | Description: base modules for kernel version 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 16:52.40 | kergoth | Installed-Size: 13084 |
| 16:52.43 | kergoth | </flood> |
| 16:52.46 | kergoth | i dont see anything wrong with that. |
| 16:52.57 | pb_ | no, looks ok to me too. |
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| 16:56.08 | chouimat | kergoth: http://cvs.gentoo.org/~aiken/cygwin-cross/ <--- coool |
| 16:59.41 | SuKoShi | oh ? un Mathieu |
| 16:59.45 | SuKoShi | ;) |
| 16:59.57 | chouimat | ~lart SuKoShi |
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| 17:00.17 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 17:02.39 | Dessimat0r | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1001 <- Hwo can this be under the GPL, yet no source code is avaiable, and you have to pay for it?! |
| 17:02.58 | yeiazel | Dessimat0r: you haven't read the licence enough |
| 17:03.34 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 17:03.48 | yeiazel | they can do that, no pb |
| 17:04.10 | Dessimat0r | so you get the source code when you buy the product? |
| 17:05.36 | yeiazel | yea |
| 17:05.53 | yeiazel | and you can give it to anyone |
| 17:06.04 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 17:06.25 | yeiazel | you virtually just pay for the service of delivering the sources to you :) |
| 17:06.44 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 17:28.44 | treke|home | morning |
| 17:28.56 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:30.03 | chouimat | hey treke|home |
| 17:30.12 | treke|home | hmm. can you even run gdb on the kernel? |
| 17:30.45 | kergoth | you can run gdb on vmlinux to analyze and poke at it |
| 17:30.51 | kergoth | but you obviously cant run it there |
| 17:30.56 | kergoth | you can use kgdb on a running linux box |
| 17:31.04 | kergoth | or you can use gdb on a linux kernel using UML |
| 17:31.08 | treke|home | ah |
| 17:31.32 | ljp_ | or, you can smoke a j, and not worry about it |
| 17:31.42 | chouimat | ljp_: hehe |
| 17:31.57 | treke|home | just the sort of thing a hippy musician would say |
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| 17:32.22 | ljp_ | hippies have long hair |
| 17:32.52 | chouimat | and don't shower |
| 17:32.57 | treke|home | ljp_: once a long hair hippy, always a hippy |
| 17:33.17 | ljp_ | hmmm' |
| 17:33.51 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 17:33.53 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 7 C (46 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1700 UTC). |
| 17:34.16 | ljp_ | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 17:34.18 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Broomfield / Jeffco, CO, United States: It is 20 C (69 F), windspeed is 8.05 km/h, and visibility is 80.47 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1645 UTC). |
| 17:34.26 | ljp_ | haha, I win |
| 17:36.30 | kergoth | Breakpoint 1, pkg_get_installed_files (pkg=0x0) at pkg.c:822 |
| 17:36.38 | kergoth | pkg=0x0 |
| 17:36.49 | kergoth | why's somebody passing around a NULL pointer, i wonder. |
| 17:37.20 | treke|home | ibot saturday? |
| 17:37.21 | | somebody said saturday was the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 17:37.28 | kergoth | trueee that |
| 17:37.46 | treke|home | in its own way, even saturday sucks |
| 17:38.20 | treke|home | the inherent suckage of waking up knowing that your already halfway to sunday |
| 17:38.26 | kergoth | but .. It Sucks Less(tm) |
| 17:38.42 | treke|home | hmm. teenage muntant ninja turtles are still around? |
| 17:44.46 | chouimat|food | pizza |
| 17:45.36 | treke|home | sounds better than the reheated pasta I'm having |
| 17:46.31 | chouimat|food | treke: currently it's reheated cream of leek |
| 17:47.23 | Dessimat0r | lol |
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| 17:48.12 | mark | kergoth: heh, mr tr-dos |
| 17:48.24 | mark | kergoth: you should have got open zaurus :) |
| 18:01.35 | Dessimat0r | I'm off for 2 weeks |
| 18:01.42 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
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| 18:10.48 | djr | is ipkg still broke? |
| 18:15.54 | masticator | yo yo yo. |
| 18:20.34 | chouimat | hi masticator |
| 18:20.48 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 18:20.49 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 7 C (46 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1700 UTC). |
| 18:21.44 | icefox | Java leads to Javascript. Javascript leads to Shockwave. And Shockwave leads to ... suffering. |
| 18:21.56 | chouimat | icefox: hehe |
| 18:21.58 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.34 | chouimat | http://bshort.com/shipdim/shipdim.html |
| 18:29.58 | ljp_ | oh man, what a nice day outside |
| 18:31.34 | chouimat | ljp_: and your cat willl bring another branch inside |
| 18:32.16 | masticator | weatherbot: weather ewr |
| 18:32.18 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station EWR |
| 18:32.34 | masticator | hmm |
| 18:32.48 | masticator | weatherbot: weather uewr |
| 18:32.49 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station UEWR |
| 18:33.18 | ljp_ | I am sure she will |
| 18:33.43 | ljp_ | and today is my watering day |
| 18:35.14 | icefox | if there was ever a reason _not_ to toss your office95 cd |
| 18:36.24 | ljp_ | heh krusader sorting files thinks 10/05/99 is after 06/04/03 |
| 18:36.39 | ljp_ | weatherbot: weather kbjc |
| 18:36.41 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Broomfield / Jeffco, CO, United States: It is 22 C (73 F), windspeed is 11.27 km/h, and visibility is 80.47 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1745 UTC). |
| 18:37.01 | chouimat | ljp_: shaddap |
| 18:37.36 | ljp_ | maybe I will nap on the poarch |
| 18:37.42 | SuKoShi | weatherbot: weather lfpo |
| 18:37.43 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Paris-Orly, France: It is 12 C (55 F), windspeed is 11.27 km/h, and visibility is 11.27 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1800 UTC). |
| 18:38.55 | ljp_ | weatherbot doesnt mention cloud cover |
| 18:41.18 | treke|home | wtf |
| 18:41.27 | treke|home | why does buildroot hate me |
| 18:42.00 | ljp_ | cause you are mean to it probably, |
| 18:42.11 | treke|home | ljp_: dont make me hurt you |
| 18:42.16 | ljp_ | buildroot used to have long hair, but is no longer a hippie |
| 18:43.47 | SuKoShi | my compilation attempt now stop because it can't find qpe/version.h |
| 18:43.59 | SuKoShi | what should i try? |
| 18:44.31 | treke|home | try make SUBDIRS=packages/opie mrproper && make |
| 18:50.54 | masticator | weatherbot: weather |
| 18:50.56 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station |
| 18:51.09 | masticator | where do you get the list of stations |
| 18:52.13 | ljp_ | http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/projects/adds/metars/ |
| 18:52.40 | ljp_ | grab stations.txt |
| 18:53.07 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather nzsp |
| 18:53.25 | masticator | weatherbot weather kewr |
| 18:55.25 | masticator | we killed it |
| 18:55.54 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyul |
| 18:55.55 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Canada: It is 13 C (57 F), windspeed is 27.36 km/h, and visibility is 32.19 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1800 UTC). |
| 18:56.03 | chouimat | masticator: nope |
| 18:56.11 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 18:56.12 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 7 C (46 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1800 UTC). |
| 18:58.31 | masticator | weatherbot: weather KEWR |
| 18:58.33 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Newark, Newark International Airport, NJ, United States: It is 17 C (64 F), windspeed is 27.36 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.12 1751 UTC). |
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| 19:05.28 | fishy | weatherbot: 30096 |
| 19:05.45 | fishy | weatherbot: weather 30096 |
| 19:05.46 | treke|home | hmmm, where did ipkg-make-index go |
| 19:05.47 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station 30096 |
| 19:05.51 | fishy | gah |
| 19:17.45 | treke|home | why do people have such a hard time loggin in as a nonroot user |
| 19:17.50 | treke|home | it was dirt simple |
| 19:18.23 | chouimat | treke|home: because we are stupid? |
| 19:18.42 | treke|home | must be |
| 19:19.44 | chouimat | or we are suffering from the George- syndrom? |
| 19:21.24 | treke|home | I mean, there is the stuff that wont work, but opie itself is fine |
| 19:21.58 | kergoth | treke|home: you want to look into the 'unsable to run opie apps in sudo/su' thing or should i? |
| 19:22.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:22.28 | treke|home | sounds like a great job for kergoth :) |
| 19:22.48 | treke|home | I'll poke around, but I cant promise anything. I dont know the inside of qte very well |
| 19:22.59 | kergoth | k |
| 19:23.27 | treke|home | i'm against my better judgement looking at apm and cardmon rightnow. |
| 19:23.55 | kergoth | personally i'd like to see sudo included. just call apm and cardctl with it |
| 19:24.54 | treke|home | hmmm. never used sudo. I reckon I should look at that |
| 19:25.09 | kergoth | like su, but doenst spawn a shell. its for running apps as a user |
| 19:25.13 | treke|home | yup |
| 19:25.14 | kergoth | and, you can limit what apps the user can run as root |
| 19:25.24 | treke|home | I know the basic idea, just never looked into it |
| 19:25.30 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 19:27.01 | treke|home | wheee. autoconf :) |
| 19:27.16 | chouimat | kergoth: btw buildtool are fun to use |
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| 19:33.09 | treke|home | ah cool. sudo "just built" |
| 19:33.26 | treke|home | after bluez I get this chill in my soul whenever I see a configure script :) |
| 19:35.04 | Twiun | lol... meant that as a /amsg... |
| 19:35.05 | Twiun | do |
| 19:35.08 | Twiun | doh |
| 19:35.52 | kergoth | eh? |
| 19:36.20 | treke|home | syntax eror in /usr/bin/apm :) |
| 19:36.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:36.43 | masticator | yo goth. |
| 19:36.52 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:37.01 | masticator | the shit still wont build right? |
| 19:37.19 | kergoth | ipkg segfaults on my base modules ipk |
| 19:37.23 | chouimat | kergoth: ETA for the 2.4.19 bassed OZ4? |
| 19:37.24 | masticator | jesus |
| 19:37.33 | chouimat | :) |
| 19:37.38 | kergoth | http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=737 |
| 19:37.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:38.57 | masticator | lol they're gonna be wondering "what the hell?" when they see the /lib64 stuff |
| 19:39.09 | chouimat | masticator: hehe |
| 19:39.12 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:40.04 | Twiun | masticator: hey |
| 19:40.31 | Twiun | masticator: finally got myself a contact at Insignia/Esmertec who's going to give me the headers necessary for compiling native libs for Jeode |
| 19:40.36 | treke|home | kergoth: anything other than apm and cardmgr that I need for the sudoers? |
| 19:40.38 | kergoth | python? uh, no, python is huge. I wont use a python based packaging tool in OZ |
| 19:40.39 | masticator | oh goody. |
| 19:41.02 | chouimat | kergoth: we can trim python |
| 19:41.04 | kergoth | treke|home: could add ipkg.. or you could try getting aqpkg to run as sudo :) |
| 19:41.16 | treke|home | adding ipkg would probably be quicker :) |
| 19:41.16 | kergoth | chouimat: doesnt matter. I'm not including it in the base images. |
| 19:41.32 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:41.57 | kergoth | treke|home: yep |
| 19:42.10 | kergoth | treke|home: course you'd have to get aqpkg to call 'sudo ipkg' .. but hey |
| 19:42.13 | kergoth | treke|home: thats easy |
| 19:42.13 | kergoth | heh |
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| 19:42.19 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:42.24 | treke|home | I imagine there's is probably some signficant braindeadness in qte :) |
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| 19:57.23 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 20:00.55 | treke|home | hrm, why is sudo loosing its setuid bit |
| 20:05.09 | chouimat | wwooooooohhoooooo my gideon plugin work !!!! |
| 20:05.20 | ljp_ | ?? |
| 20:05.49 | chouimat | ljp_: a dowwnloader for embedded systems for kdevelop3 |
| 20:06.12 | ljp_ | oohhh.. |
| 20:06.15 | ljp_ | gideon |
| 20:06.28 | ljp_ | I keep thinking that's mozilla |
| 20:08.58 | ivan | could openzaurus possibly be making my screen look like crap with vertical lines? |
| 20:09.04 | ivan | or is it definetely hardware? |
| 20:09.20 | treke|home | easy way to find out |
| 20:09.25 | treke|home | install the sharp rom |
| 20:09.30 | ivan | that takes too long |
| 20:09.45 | treke|home | what 10 minutes? |
| 20:11.45 | ivan | i need at least 32 megabytes? |
| 20:11.56 | treke|home | yes |
| 20:11.56 | kergoth | treke|home: creating an image? |
| 20:12.00 | ivan | crap |
| 20:12.08 | treke|home | kergoth: nope. a package |
| 20:12.09 | ivan | i guess i can't go back then |
| 20:12.19 | treke|home | kergoth: I reckon I need to do it in postinst? |
| 20:12.25 | kergoth | treke|home: hmm, is it suid in the package? do a tar -p |
| 20:12.39 | kergoth | treke|home: in other words, is it package _creation_ or ipkg _installation_ thats killing it |
| 20:12.41 | treke|home | good question. its suid in ipktemp. lemme look in the pacakge |
| 20:13.32 | treke|home | nope. not suid in the package |
| 20:13.46 | kergoth | ah, so its being lost in the creation.. odd |
| 20:14.01 | kergoth | treke|home: hmm |
| 20:14.04 | treke|home | btw, shouldnt /bin/tinylogin be suid also? |
| 20:14.19 | kergoth | treke|home: is tar being called with p to preserve perms in ipkg-build? |
| 20:14.22 | kergoth | treke|home: and/or mkipkg |
| 20:14.26 | kergoth | yes, it should |
| 20:14.41 | ivan | are there any knobs in the back to adjust the lcd screen? |
| 20:15.21 | ljp_ | knobs? |
| 20:15.28 | treke|home | kenb: doesnt look like it |
| 20:16.10 | treke|home | wait. wrong file |
| 20:16.36 | treke|home | just -czf |
| 20:16.44 | treke|home | that should be p? |
| 20:16.49 | kergoth | -czpf |
| 20:16.58 | kergoth | note that mkipkg uses tar as well |
| 20:17.09 | kergoth | to move the files from the srcdir/ipktemp into its temp area to call ipkg-build on it |
| 20:17.29 | treke|home | kergoth: now will that end up storing the files as being owned ggilbert instead of root? |
| 20:17.54 | ivan | oh crap i purposely badly screwed up my calibration by touching the other side of the screen and i accidently started qoverclock |
| 20:18.29 | kergoth | treke|home: ipkg-build stomps user to root when it calls tar |
| 20:18.39 | kergoth | treke|home: suid bit will be retained, but user/group isnt |
| 20:18.48 | kergoth | treke|home: because otherwise you'd have to be building the images as root |
| 20:18.51 | kergoth | s/images/packages/ |
| 20:20.32 | Dessimat0r | ivan: the lines down the screen are actually caused by qoverclock... |
| 20:20.47 | Dessimat0r | ivan: put your Z to normal speeds |
| 20:20.50 | ivan | nope |
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| 20:20.53 | kergoth | yes, it is. |
| 20:20.53 | ivan | it is at normal speeds |
| 20:20.58 | kergoth | qoverclock is fuckign stupid. |
| 20:21.02 | ivan | mine was misadjusted, i'm going to return it monday |
| 20:21.07 | kergoth | it fucks with the cpu clock without adjusting other timings |
| 20:21.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:21.19 | ivan | i hope they don't mind it's running OZ |
| 20:21.42 | chouimat | kergoth: ck5 sucks more thaan ck4 |
| 20:21.47 | kergoth | ivan: doubt they'll care |
| 20:21.48 | kergoth | chouimat: why? |
| 20:22.00 | Dessimat0r | ivan: did you have the problems straight after installing OZ? |
| 20:22.11 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: if so, it was coincidence. |
| 20:22.12 | chouimat | at aload of 5 itt's unusable |
| 20:22.20 | kergoth | oz uses the same lcd code as sharp. identical. to the letter |
| 20:22.25 | Dessimat0r | kergoth: yes |
| 20:22.32 | ivan | Dessimat0r: i don't know i didn't look at the screen long enough on sharp's rom |
| 20:22.57 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:24.21 | treke|home | kergoth: yet another ipkg bug :) |
| 20:24.24 | Dessimat0r | Does anyone know the article which showed how to oc/uc the Zaurus form the console? |
| 20:24.27 | Dessimat0r | *from |
| 20:26.57 | SuKoShi | i still can't find a way to get over my missing qpe/version.h |
| 20:27.16 | Dessimat0r | ivan: open up Qoverclock, and set it to '206mhz' |
| 20:27.25 | Dessimat0r | and then tell me if you still get those lines |
| 20:28.41 | Dessimat0r | also... did you install the shell scripts saving the modified cpu frequency during suspend/resume? |
| 20:29.30 | Dessimat0r | if so, get rid of the scripts, then reboot the Zaurus (the switch on the back) |
| 20:30.00 | ivan | Dessimat0r: yes i've had those lines before i install qoverclock |
| 20:30.15 | Dessimat0r | then remove them |
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| 20:30.25 | ivan | i did not install any scripts to store the cpu frequency |
| 20:31.00 | Dessimat0r | tried rebooting the Zaurus? |
| 20:31.17 | ivan | many times |
| 20:31.25 | ivan | i think the LCD is just miscalibrated |
| 20:31.31 | ivan | not the touch thing |
| 20:31.47 | ljp_ | recalibrate |
| 20:31.47 | Dessimat0r | I've had those weird vertical lines when I've underclocked it |
| 20:31.55 | ivan | i posted http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/11/224330/786 , i got one reply |
| 20:32.27 | Dessimat0r | I'd return it :/ |
| 20:32.41 | ivan | Dessimat0r: i don't know if HSN has any extras |
| 20:32.46 | Dessimat0r | remove Qoverclock anyway |
| 20:34.14 | ivan | yeah don't want someone at sharp knowing i under/over clocked it |
| 20:35.23 | treke|home | thats slightly dishonest |
| 20:37.13 | ivan | why? |
| 20:37.17 | ivan | i had the problem before i installed it |
| 20:37.26 | ivan | and underclocking and overclocking it didn't make it worse |
| 20:38.23 | Dessimat0r | yeah, but prolonged use at high speeds *could* cuase the problem you are describing |
| 20:38.29 | Dessimat0r | *cause |
| 20:38.47 | Dessimat0r | in Sharp's eyes, anyway |
| 20:39.01 | ljp_ | bah |
| 20:40.32 | ivan | it was only for 4 seconds |
| 20:41.12 | ivan | i sure hope my next one doesn't do the same thing |
| 20:41.25 | ivan | which i'll probably have to pay twice as much for |
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| 20:41.45 | Dessimat0r | if you ask them to replace it, then it should cost just the same |
| 20:42.15 | Dessimat0r | if you've had it for less than a month, get the retailer to replace it, not Sharp |
| 20:42.23 | ivan | yep |
| 20:42.26 | ivan | just 3 days or so |
| 20:44.47 | ivan | "exchange" isn't anywhere on their site |
| 20:44.55 | Dessimat0r | phone them up |
| 20:45.07 | Dessimat0r | by law they have to replace faulty units |
| 20:45.10 | Dessimat0r | in UK and USA |
| 20:45.46 | ivan | they could argue it's not a "defect" but a "feature" |
| 20:45.56 | ivan | to allow "different brightness levels" |
| 20:46.02 | ivan | "we're sorry your eyes suck |
| 20:46.02 | Dessimat0r | its in the Fair Trading Act |
| 20:46.33 | Twiun | anyone know why pressing the menu button under OZ 3.2 in console-only switches the device off? |
| 20:46.37 | Dessimat0r | the flickering vertical lines are obviously a defect, mine does none of that ;) |
| 20:46.38 | Twiun | or how I could find out? |
| 20:47.02 | Dessimat0r | My screen acts as a normal LCD would |
| 20:47.05 | ivan | Dessimat0r: i only see it when i shake it left and right and look at a light solid color |
| 20:47.16 | Dessimat0r | sounds liek a loose connection |
| 20:47.19 | Dessimat0r | trying it on mine |
| 20:47.21 | Twiun | actually... doesn't just switch it off... have to soft-reboot to get back into the device |
| 20:47.54 | ivan | well very gently moving it left and right works too |
| 20:48.18 | Dessimat0r | can't replicicate it on mine |
| 20:48.25 | ivan | ok thanks |
| 20:48.29 | Dessimat0r | even when madly doing it |
| 20:49.08 | Dessimat0r | I know the type of problems you mean ;) Could just be that the LCD power connection is loose |
| 20:49.34 | Dessimat0r | the lines move about left to right |
| 20:49.44 | ivan | they don't really move, just appear |
| 20:50.01 | ivan | even when i don't shake it and look at the screen for an hour or so my vision is horrible |
| 20:50.06 | ivan | it's like an atari or something |
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| 20:50.53 | Dessimat0r | I've had the LCD + backlight on on my Z for 3+ hours before with no problems |
| 20:50.55 | ivan | HSN doesn't work on weekends, does it? |
| 20:50.56 | Dessimat0r | in the cradle |
| 20:51.52 | ljp_ | frontlight |
| 20:51.56 | ljp_ | not backlight |
| 20:52.05 | Dessimat0r | ah, right ;) |
| 20:52.17 | treke|home | alrighty. opie with sudo support building |
| 20:52.25 | Twiun | cool :) |
| 20:52.37 | ivan | why the heck would someone use a PDA in non-root? |
| 20:52.48 | ivan | it's not supposed to be a secure server |
| 20:52.59 | treke|home | ivan: so the user doesnt fuck things up |
| 20:53.11 | Twiun | it's more difficult to clobber... what treke|home just said :) |
| 20:53.14 | treke|home | ivan: much the same reason I dont use my desktop as root all the times |
| 20:53.39 | ivan | so you're gonna waste time typing sudo chmod 755 * with your thumbboard? |
| 20:53.48 | treke|home | thumboard? |
| 20:53.57 | Twiun | ivan: why would you need to? |
| 20:54.00 | treke|home | ah yes. the zaurus has a keyboard :) |
| 20:54.12 | ivan | Twiun: because somewhere the permissions will be wrong |
| 20:54.18 | treke|home | ivan: what do I need root access for? |
| 20:54.24 | ivan | the zaurus is still gonna get reset anyway somehow |
| 20:54.54 | treke|home | sudo is only needed because certain things need root access to do, including suspending, ejecting cards, and installing packages. |
| 20:54.56 | ivan | installing things? |
| 20:54.58 | treke|home | thats all I can think of |
| 20:55.11 | Twiun | ivan: default file permissions are a packaging issue - once sane defaults are set the user should have minimal need to change perms... and we're talking about a linux-savvy user here, not joe-bloggs on the street |
| 20:55.33 | Twiun | ivan: I very rarely need to go root on my desktop pc |
| 20:55.42 | Twiun | ivan: usually only to mess with kernel modules |
| 20:55.50 | Twiun | ivan: that's what you can use sudo for |
| 20:55.55 | ivan | i type in my root pass at least 15 times a day |
| 20:56.06 | treke|home | thats you |
| 20:56.18 | ivan | i guess i just like to install things |
| 20:56.37 | Twiun | right - but on a pda you shouldn't need to be root to install things |
| 20:56.45 | treke|home | the package manager is running using sudo. its transparent to the user |
| 20:57.01 | Twiun | ivan: and I don't need to be root to install standard things under my home dir |
| 20:57.17 | treke|home | you click the package manager icon, choose the packages you want, and bingo it just works |
| 20:57.50 | Dessimat0r | I still need to create a portage group on gentoo ;) |
| 20:58.04 | Twiun | treke|home: right - the user shouldn't need to know details |
| 20:58.09 | Dessimat0r | as I keep having to su to root to use it |
| 20:58.32 | Dessimat0r | My bad habits of using crap as root are over ;) |
| 20:58.56 | Dessimat0r | Well, it was due to the ibot moaning at me all the time on joining ;) |
| 20:59.00 | Twiun | Dessimat0r: likewise - and one day I'll start using UML for chrooting things |
| 20:59.20 | Twiun | treke|home: not even for compiling oz? |
| 20:59.31 | treke|home | Twiun: nope :) |
| 20:59.46 | Twiun | treke|home: ahhhh, still some type of term though |
| 21:00.02 | treke|home | Twiun: well yeah. My desktop is a almost purely terminal environment :) |
| 21:00.08 | Twiun | treke|home: be paranoid and ssh into your own box on lo |
| 21:00.09 | treke|home | but on the ipaq I never use it |
| 21:00.11 | ivan | Twiun: yes but in qtopia you need to create a link as root |
| 21:00.27 | Twiun | ivan: that's the way it is now - no-one said it was ideal |
| 21:00.31 | ivan | err, opie |
| 21:00.40 | treke|home | ivan: so the package manager needs fixing |
| 21:00.41 | Twiun | and that's a ROM issue, really |
| 21:00.55 | Twiun | eventually fixable |
| 21:01.15 | treke|home | the average user has no business dooing that if things are working properly |
| 21:01.34 | Twiun | ivan: and from a corporate mind, having multi-user capable pda pools would be a great cost saver |
| 21:02.01 | ivan | HEY! IM GOING TO BE LATE HAND OVER THE PDA, JIM |
| 21:02.45 | Twiun | ivan: companies already do this type of thing with mobiles |
| 21:04.21 | Twiun | ivan: so there must be a valid financial reason behind it |
| 21:14.11 | treke|home | cool. nonroot opie appears semi usable :) |
| 21:14.29 | Twiun | great |
| 21:14.51 | ljp_ | semi? |
| 21:16.16 | treke|home | ljp_: as in I just tried doing a few things and it looked ok. I could suspend my ipaq and eject cards. |
| 21:17.56 | treke|home | ljp_: I |
| 21:18.10 | treke|home | I'm gonna start using it full time and see what else I find broken |
| 21:19.08 | ljp_ | does ubrowser depend on libopie? |
| 21:20.13 | drw- | treke|home: can you change the time (using ntpdate/opie-netsystemtime)? |
| 21:20.22 | treke|home | drw-: good question |
| 21:21.17 | treke|home | cant just change the date by hand |
| 21:23.41 | treke|home | netsystemtime is the current one, right? |
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| 21:24.43 | drw- | yep |
| 21:24.45 | rusty^_^ | hi |
| 21:25.13 | drw- | treke|home: it uses ntpdate, so if it works netsystemtime should |
| 21:25.32 | treke|home | drw-: yeah patching ntpsystemtime right now |
| 21:27.19 | treke|home | ntpdate I can fix. not sure how I can fix changing time by hand |
| 21:44.14 | ljp_ | patch schmatch |
| 21:46.40 | Twiun | kergoth`bbl: what should I be looking at for the menu keybindings in console-only mode? |
| 21:46.54 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 21:47.27 | Twiun | if I kill opie and then press-and-hold the menu key, the Z shuts down hard |
| 21:47.35 | Twiun | only a soft reboot gets it back |
| 21:47.40 | kergoth`bbl | thats in the kernel keymap |
| 21:47.52 | kergoth`bbl | actually, may be deeper than that |
| 21:47.57 | kergoth`bbl | in the keyboard driver |
| 21:48.03 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: bleh. gonna have to make ipkg.conf world writable :( |
| 21:48.09 | Twiun | is this something you've come across before? |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: or run aqpkg itself as root |
| 21:48.34 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: hm |
| 21:48.34 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: or that |
| 21:48.39 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: or create an ipkg group |
| 21:48.49 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: add the user to it, make ipkg.conf owned by it.. |
| 21:48.51 | Twiun | so I need to check out the kernel keyboard driver sources... |
| 21:49.14 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: holding down a cursor when scrolling in console suspends the Z also |
| 21:49.20 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: ie. in vi |
| 21:49.46 | Twiun | kergoth`bbl: argh. |
| 21:49.54 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: blame lineo |
| 21:50.08 | Twiun | kergoth`bbl: so could I borrow opie's keyboard overrides? |
| 21:50.33 | masticator | blame lineo... blame lineo.... |
| 21:50.47 | masticator | da da da da DA DA |
| 21:51.02 | masticator | They're not a real company anyway. |
| 21:51.06 | Twiun | masticator: it's a friggin pain for running java without opie |
| 21:51.26 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: you can always open the keyboard in raw mode and do the key mapping internally |
| 21:51.32 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: that _may_ bypass that behavior |
| 21:51.42 | kergoth`bbl | depends on how they hooked it in |
| 21:52.04 | masticator | so is ipkg still friggin broken? |
| 21:52.18 | masticator | what the hell did they do? |
| 21:52.30 | Twiun | kergoth`bbl: I have no idea how to open the kbd that way - I just used the default input stream |
| 21:52.31 | treke|home | masticator: seems more or less working over here |
| 21:52.41 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: man console-ioctl iirc |
| 21:52.58 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: x86 installs of base-modules for b500/c700 segfaults ipkg. |
| 21:53.02 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: :) |
| 21:53.05 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: fun |
| 21:53.21 | Twiun | kergoth`bbl: thanks |
| 21:53.53 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: or read qkeyboard_qws.cpp in src/kernel/ in qt/e source |
| 21:53.57 | treke|home | ok. nonroot stuff pushed. I'm gonna be productive now. I swear |
| 21:53.59 | kergoth`bbl | Twiun: or the kdrive keyboard code in tinyx |
| 21:54.13 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: nice |
| 21:54.17 | masticator | twiun: so what exactly are you working on these days? |
| 21:54.20 | masticator | still wonka? |
| 21:54.41 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: setting time still doesnt work, and I dont know what happens when you try editing the ipkg.conf file. But it's usable. |
| 21:55.19 | Twiun | masticator: wonka as a byproduct. The qte bindings are still the main priority |
| 21:55.23 | kergoth`bbl | ah, time makes sense. going to run ntpsystemtime as root, or hav eit run ntpdate w/ sudo? |
| 21:55.40 | Twiun | masticator: trying to fix peripheral issues that go with them |
| 21:55.42 | masticator | twiun: these are VM-agnostic qte bindings? |
| 21:55.55 | Twiun | masticator: I'm making them that way, yeah |
| 21:56.11 | Twiun | masticator: haven't really used any wonka-specific stuff |
| 21:56.27 | masticator | but we still havent really settled on what our standard default JVM should be? |
| 21:56.46 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: not sure. ntpdate would be the easy one, I need to look at the code for manually setting the time, I suspect that would be problematic |
| 21:56.57 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: would be really easy to do if we could run opie apps as root :p |
| 21:57.12 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: yep. i want a 'run as root' in the applnk properties menu |
| 21:57.17 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: tap+hold .. run as root .. ok .. |
| 21:57.18 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 21:57.28 | kergoth`bbl | thats how they do it in qtopia on the c700 |
| 21:57.29 | Twiun | masticator: thankfully, I can delay that decision indefinately for now |
| 21:57.34 | kergoth`bbl | its an applnk option |
| 21:57.43 | Twiun | masticator: although I'd prefer wonka |
| 21:57.44 | ljp_ | root schmoot |
| 21:57.45 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: tooo bad we dont have the source for qte from it :) |
| 21:57.50 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: yep |
| 21:57.52 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: fuckers. |
| 21:58.10 | Twiun | masticator: the agnostism is something I'd planned from the start |
| 21:58.30 | Twiun | masticator: first thing I did was rip out all the kaffe-specific junk |
| 21:58.54 | masticator | kaffe never really worked out, did it |
| 21:59.22 | Twiun | we have a serious problem finding someone to maintain it |
| 21:59.33 | Twiun | and I can't volunteer for it - too much to do |
| 21:59.38 | masticator | does kaffee still exist as a developed project? |
| 21:59.41 | masticator | is it worth saving? |
| 22:00.02 | Twiun | well, it's developped, but I'd hardly say its a structured development |
| 22:00.17 | Twiun | it looks mainly like the work of 2 guys and lots of contributions |
| 22:00.36 | Twiun | ever since transvirtual took a nosedive |
| 22:00.43 | masticator | yeah |
| 22:00.56 | Twiun | I'd say it's on life-support |
| 22:01.00 | masticator | so our best bet for now is endorsing wonka or some scaled down blackdown? |
| 22:01.23 | Twiun | looks like it - but blackdown isn't open source :( |
| 22:01.27 | masticator | ah |
| 22:01.41 | masticator | I wonder if we should have a page on the openzaurus site dedicated to Java |
| 22:01.42 | Twiun | instead of blackdown we might just go with Sun's j2me |
| 22:01.51 | Twiun | and the problems associated with it? |
| 22:02.07 | Twiun | open source java is a bloody joke |
| 22:04.03 | treke|home | fuck forkbombed my ipaq |
| 22:04.48 | SuKoShi | can someone remind me what is the other C700 importer after dynamism? |
| 22:04.54 | treke|home | conics |
| 22:05.09 | SuKoShi | thx |
| 22:05.39 | Twiun | masticator: talking of Sun, their rep still hasn't got back to me about licensing |
| 22:06.28 | drw- | treke|home: netsystemtime calls stdlib's settimeofday to set the time, if we could have a standalone app which can set the systemtime and then netsystemtime run that (like it does ntpdate) |
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| 22:10.57 | treke|home | drw-: yeah. right now I'm looking into running the entire app as root, but worse case that can be done |
| 22:11.02 | kergoth`bbl | drw-: better to just run netsystemtime as root |
| 22:11.05 | kergoth`bbl | yeh, that |
| 22:11.06 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 22:11.29 | treke|home | theres always going to be some apps that need to be root. |
| 22:11.32 | chouimat | re |
| 22:12.34 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: you know, I've got a theory |
| 22:13.52 | Twiun | masticator: I'm cool about an OZ java page - we can iron out the details by email if you want, twiun@adorphuye.com |
| 22:14.16 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: it probably just checks to see that it owns the directory so it can write to files, it might just work if an explicit check to see if uid==0 |
| 22:15.18 | Twiun | in any case, I have to shoot - got lots of work ahead of me tomorrow... |
| 22:15.27 | Twiun | thanks for the leads kergoth, I'll check them out |
| 22:15.36 | Twiun | g'night guys :) |
| 22:15.52 | chouimat | nite Twiun[Zzzzz] |
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| 22:26.00 | treke|home | well damn. it worked |
| 22:27.35 | treke|home | it used roots theme, and everything, but it worked |
| 22:32.09 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 22:33.42 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: hmm, can you set $HOME within the sudo environment? |
| 22:33.45 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: :) |
| 22:34.06 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: actualyl I wasnt sudoing that time, just suing. gooid point though |
| 22:36.19 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: question is, do require a sudoers entry for every app that can run as root, or just create a wrapper like opie_sudo that would effectivly let any app run as root |
| 22:37.18 | kergoth`bbl | yeah, or change the sudoers entry directly to allow any app for the opie user.. less secure, but running opie as a user is more about a sense of security than actual security |
| 22:37.19 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: sudo -H |
| 22:37.26 | kergoth`bbl | ah |
| 22:37.54 | treke|home | kergoth: I never saw it as much as a security thing as a keep people from accidentally fucking things up sort of thing |
| 22:38.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:38.10 | kergoth | thats the main reason, to prevent accidentally hosing teh system |
| 22:38.39 | treke|home | security on the z is more or less a nonissue. To do anything you pretty much have to have physical access, and with physical access it's all academic |
| 22:38.49 | kergoth | agreed |
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| 22:41.39 | treke|home | kergoth: the remaining problem is to get the sudo environment to see QPEDIR and QTDIR |
| 22:43.04 | kergoth | treke|home: hmm, does sudo inheret the environment, load root's environment, or start with an empty env? |
| 22:44.28 | kergoth | ibot: spell inherit |
| 22:44.29 | | 'inherit' may be spelled correctly |
| 22:45.56 | treke|home | it definitly doesnt inheret the environment |
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| 22:45.59 | Speedy2 | yo |
| 22:46.21 | kergoth | hey speedy |
| 22:47.08 | treke|home | Sudo removes the following "dangerous" environment variables |
| 22:47.08 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.09 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.34 | ljp_ | oh god. I ran out of pizza! what do I do?!? |
| 22:47.35 | kergoth | so it should leave the rest? |
| 22:47.40 | kergoth | ljp_: order more! |
| 22:47.47 | treke|home | kergoth: in theory |
| 22:47.56 | ljp_ | ohhh.. |
| 22:47.58 | treke|home | kergoth: in practice it's losing something needed by qte |
| 22:48.05 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth |
| 22:48.10 | kergoth | treke|home: hmm |
| 22:48.27 | kergoth | treke|home: well, have sudo run a shell script from within opie that runs set > /env or something |
| 22:48.30 | treke|home | that I'm sure can be worked around |
| 22:51.12 | masticator | I am seriously in the mood for a big thick cut steak |
| 22:51.30 | masticator | big juicy and bloody |
| 22:54.04 | treke|home | so far I keep getting QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 22:54.36 | ljp_ | sicko |
| 22:55.00 | chouimat | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Steak |
| 22:55.19 | kergoth | steak sounds damn good |
| 22:55.23 | kergoth | i need to buy a grill |
| 22:55.31 | masticator | weber |
| 22:55.36 | masticator | only way to go |
| 22:55.40 | chouimat | kergoth: me too but aa grill in a basement :( |
| 22:55.44 | masticator | right now they are cheap |
| 22:55.48 | masticator | dont wait until the summer |
| 22:56.20 | masticator | I'm gonna broil mine in the oven tonight though |
| 22:56.35 | masticator | I have a professional range |
| 22:56.40 | treke|home | bingo |
| 22:56.41 | chouimat | ok brb need to go fetch something at the grocery to eat ... steak or pizza .... damn you masticator! |
| 22:56.44 | treke|home | $LOGNAME |
| 22:56.44 | kergoth | treke|home: got it? |
| 22:56.45 | masticator | with an 1850 degree broiler |
| 22:57.00 | ljp_ | steak does not sound good at all |
| 22:57.22 | masticator | you dont like red meat? |
| 22:57.23 | chouimat | masticator: cool |
| 22:57.47 | ljp_ | I dont eat any meat |
| 22:57.58 | masticator | chouimat: I can cook a steak medium rare in like 5 minutes with it |
| 22:58.12 | ljp_ | I am a Boulder hippy, remember |
| 22:58.23 | masticator | I like vegetable dishes too |
| 22:58.36 | chouimat | masticator: ok how much for that baby I need to change mine |
| 22:58.41 | masticator | ljp: vegan or lacto-ovo vegetarian? |
| 22:58.52 | masticator | do you eat seafood? |
| 22:58.53 | Speedy2 | ljp: Cool, I'm with you. |
| 22:59.15 | masticator | chou: that baby? 5,000 USD |
| 22:59.19 | masticator | its a restaurant range |
| 22:59.27 | chouimat | masticator: ok .... |
| 22:59.36 | masticator | it has 6 burners on the top that do 18,500 BTU |
| 22:59.41 | masticator | the oven is gas fired |
| 22:59.48 | kergoth | damn |
| 22:59.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:59.55 | masticator | and has a built in high powered broiler |
| 22:59.56 | treke|home | kergoth: so what we need to do is call osudo $LOGNAME application -param1 -parm2 -param3 |
| 23:00.11 | masticator | whole sucker is stainless steel |
| 23:00.21 | kergoth | masticator: aha |
| 23:00.22 | chouimat | masticator: I need one but I will get a house before .... |
| 23:00.23 | kergoth | masticator: dood |
| 23:00.29 | ljp_ | my cat is hunting flies |
| 23:00.31 | treke|home | osudo is just a shell script that sets $LOGNAME before running the application |
| 23:00.34 | kergoth | masticator: the ipkg segfault.. i'm pretty sure it only segfaults on that box |
| 23:00.36 | kergoth | masticator: .. |
| 23:00.55 | chouimat | kergoth: is george being anoying as usual? |
| 23:01.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:01.40 | treke|home | unless we want to patch sudo so that it doesnt molest LOGNAME |
| 23:01.58 | chouimat | kergoth: the problem is he put evvery one the answer him (and he don't like the answer) on ignore |
| 23:02.05 | kergoth | treke|home: nah, shouldnt patch sudo |
| 23:02.15 | kergoth | treke|home: either a script or call it with the correct opts directly |
| 23:02.18 | treke|home | actually, I think sudo is doing the right thing |
| 23:02.21 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:02.28 | kergoth | LOGNAME really should be root, if you're running as root |
| 23:02.29 | treke|home | sudo is probably setting it to root |
| 23:03.34 | chouimat|away | brbr |
| 23:03.35 | treke|home | ok. now I'm going to stop working. Maybe some nice person will add a RunRoot property to the launcher :) |
| 23:04.07 | kergoth | </hinthint> |
| 23:05.51 | kergoth | masticator: yep, the same ipk with the same ipkg.conf installs fine on my box.. :) |
| 23:06.02 | kergoth | masticator: guess that /lib64/libc.so.6 really does mean something |
| 23:06.13 | kergoth | that being, a hint to them about the nature of the issue |
| 23:07.13 | Speedy2 | masticator: Every try to compile BenchFFT? |
| 23:15.53 | treke|home | hey mickeyl |
| 23:18.50 | chouimat | ok the calzone is in the oven |
| 23:26.50 | ljp_ | eeewwww. my cat just ate a fly |
| 23:27.54 | Speedy2 | ljp: How long you been a vegetarian? |
| 23:28.08 | ljp_ | since 1984 |
| 23:28.27 | Speedy2 | When you were born? |
| 23:28.31 | ljp_ | 1965 |
| 23:28.40 | Speedy2 | Ah. |
| 23:28.47 | ljp_ | oldie and moldie |
| 23:29.08 | Speedy2 | Heh. Married? |
| 23:29.15 | ljp_ | nope, never |
| 23:29.18 | mickeyl | hi treke |
| 23:29.28 | treke|home | mickeyl: yo |
| 23:29.35 | Speedy2 | is it tough to meet vegetarian women? |
| 23:29.42 | Speedy2 | (No luck around here) |
| 23:29.45 | ljp_ | in Boulder, not really |
| 23:29.55 | Speedy2 | <-- in Texas. |
| 23:30.03 | ljp_ | back when I became one, yes it was |
| 23:30.11 | ljp_ | ohhh, texas, ya... |
| 23:30.14 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 23:30.16 | mickeyl | treke|home: how's the state of the buildroot? i have problems building images. no matter what i select or deselect they get way too large... like 17M or so |
| 23:30.30 | Speedy2 | You can imagine what people are like... |
| 23:30.43 | ljp_ | yyeeeee hhhaaaaWWWWW! |
| 23:30.46 | Speedy2 | "What? What about chicken?" |
| 23:30.49 | Speedy2 | Hehe :) |
| 23:30.55 | treke|home | mickeyl: its more or less current with my tree |
| 23:30.58 | Speedy2 | (As if chicken isn't meat) |
| 23:31.10 | ljp_ | ya, I get that too sometimes |
| 23:31.23 | mickeyl | treke: so you don't have problems building images ? |
| 23:31.34 | treke|home | let me try building one right no |
| 23:32.51 | mickeyl | k |
| 23:33.01 | treke|home | hrm. a script is missing so it cant build an image |
| 23:35.03 | Speedy2 | I should go design this GPS board |
| 23:35.58 | Speedy2 | Does the main logo at tkc's website not look like the back end of a woman |
| 23:35.59 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 23:36.12 | chouimat | Speedy2: wait |
| 23:36.13 | ljp_ | I think that looks like a devil |
| 23:36.27 | Speedy2 | I mean the stuff in red |
| 23:37.20 | ljp_ | oohh |
| 23:37.30 | ljp_ | heh an ass crack |
| 23:38.48 | Speedy2 | Yes :) |
| 23:39.08 | Speedy2 | Does anyone here use the tkc programs? |
| 23:39.19 | chouimat | guys ... when is the last time you had sex? |
| 23:39.39 | ljp_ | why? |
| 23:39.45 | treke|home | <ljp> when was the last time the beetles toured? |
| 23:40.02 | ljp_ | hahah you miss spelled beatles |
| 23:41.02 | chouimat|food | ljp_: nothing ok I'm good to eat my pizza beforre bob taste it :) |
| 23:42.50 | ljp_ | this is Boulder I am talking about. freaks everywhere. |
| 23:43.19 | ljp_ | if they do eat meat, they probably only eat organic meat |
| 23:43.36 | Speedy2 | Maybe I should move to Boulder. |
| 23:44.06 | ljp_ | probably |
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| 23:44.37 | ljp_ | lots of high tech around here still |
| 23:44.56 | treke|home | mickeyl: ever get your spectrum working? |
| 23:47.10 | ljp_ | oh god.. an ice cream truck nearby... |
| 23:48.05 | Speedy2 | Those trucks should be outlawed. |
| 23:48.10 | badalex | darn i guess i dont live by you ljp_ |
| 23:48.38 | ljp_ | ice cream trucks are evil |
| 23:48.45 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 23:48.57 | Speedy2 | Like they're all 1985 vans with questionable people selling food stuffs |
| 23:49.10 | ljp_ | although, you might even find an ice cream truck in Boulder that serves organic ice cream.. |
| 23:49.50 | mickeyl | treke: yeah, works great. even better than my orinoco pcmcia :-D |
| 23:50.30 | mickeyl | treke: sticks now in a CF->pcmcia adapter in my 3650 and the whole thing looks much smaller than before |
| 23:51.08 | ljp_ | man, thank god for noise reduction |
| 23:55.06 | treke|home | mickeyl: cool |
| 23:55.55 | mickeyl | treke: yeah, it even works better than on the Z thanks to the newer wireless extensions... *sigh* |
| 23:56.10 | treke|home | hehe |
| 23:56.58 | Speedy2 | Hey, anyone measure the power consumption on the Z doing various things? I know there was a website with that info somewhere... |