irclog2html for #openembedded on 20030406

`00:00.03`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: only if you dont know what you're doing, or dont have a way to get into the system if you hose it`
`00:00.07`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:00.07`	`kergoth`	`ssh, etc`
`00:00.25`	`treke\|home`	`correct on the first the second is just really inconvenient :)`
`00:00.30`	`kergoth`	`jeeze, push 31 revisions just in build fixes for the feed`
`00:00.34`	`treke\|home`	`had do go search for my laptop :)`
`00:00.35`	`pnis`	`kergoth: ok, thanks`
`00:01.32`	`pnis`	`kergoth: btw mplayer was broken, fixed an hour ago, maybe you fixed it too`
`00:01.47`	`pnis`	`just a patch was not needed anymore`
`00:01.57`	`kergoth`	`yeah i fixed it also`
`00:02.00`	`kergoth`	`i love bk`
`00:02.05`	`kergoth`	`just merges them and conflicts go away`
`00:02.07`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:02.14`	`pnis`	`nice`
`00:02.37`	`masticator`	`who wants an account on the opteron?`
`00:02.44`	`kergoth`	`all the apps in buildroot (other than opie proper) that use qmake, werent passing in optimizations`
`00:02.48`	`kergoth`	`pretty critical bug`
`00:04.25`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: did konq build for you?`
`00:04.30`	`kergoth`	`with changes`
`00:04.33`	`kergoth`	`do a pull`
`00:04.38`	`kergoth`	`everything but those few i listed build at the moment`
`00:04.40`	`treke\|home`	`er not konq`
`00:04.42`	`treke\|home`	`opie`
`00:04.50`	`kergoth`	`ah, havent done a fresh opie mrproper in a couple days`
`00:05.03`	`kergoth`	`i'm about to though, when i rebuild the collie feed`
`00:05.24`	`treke\|home`	`want to stress test pre7 :)`
`00:05.36`	`kergoth`	`pre7?`
`00:05.40`	`treke\|home`	`2.4.21-pre7`
`00:05.44`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`00:05.56`	`pnis`	`wow xmms-e built ok :)`
`00:06.02`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`00:06.04`	`treke\|home`	`btw, busybox makefile is unhappy. commands commence before first target. line 40`
`00:06.22`	`kergoth`	`treke\|home: bk pull`
`00:06.28`	`treke\|home`	`again? :)`
`00:06.28`	`kergoth`	`shouldnt happen atm`
`00:06.54`	`treke\|home`	`nothing to pull`
`00:07.03`	`kergoth`	`builds just fine here`
`00:07.10`	`kergoth`	`after my fix from earlier at least`
`00:07.11`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:07.13`	`treke\|home`	`grrrrr`
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`00:12.36`	`pnis`	`got to go, goodnight all!`
`00:12.54`	`kergoth`	`night pnis`
`00:13.02`	`pnis`	`bye kergoth`
`00:17.42`	`chouimat`	`grrrrr i will have part 2 before part one .......`
`00:19.54`	`noiddAWAY`	`Thou shalt close thy shell 'if' statements with a 'fi', not a '}'`
`00:21.33`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`00:21.51`	`chouimat`	`ok 15 hrs I will be able to see The Core`
`00:22.14`	`treke\|home`	`chouimat: due we learned last night that it isnt worth seeing`
`00:24.04`	`chouimat`	`treke\|home: huh?`
`00:24.59`	`chouimat`	`treke\|home: I wont pay 10$ to see so :)`
`00:26.45`	`noiddAWAY`	`key kergoth - possible problem`
`00:26.53`	`treke\|home`	`man. I forgot how nasty the nv driver was`
`00:27.03`	`kergoth`	`noiddAWAY: ?`
`00:27.07`	`noiddAWAY`	`how do I get this: full_ar='/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-ar'`
`00:27.27`	`kergoth`	`why would it need a full path?`
`00:27.28`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:27.33`	`noiddAWAY`	`which ${AR} ?`
`00:27.42`	`kergoth`	`yeah, you could do that`
`00:27.51`	`noiddAWAY`	`justmaking sure its in the path`
`00:27.54`	`treke\|home`	`assuming its in the path`
`00:27.55`	`kergoth`	`remember, '' in shell dont do replacements`
`00:28.09`	`kergoth`	`"" do`
`00:29.12`	`noiddAWAY`	`yeah - i'll use backtics`
`00:29.27`	`noiddAWAY`	`i would have typed them - but, ermm... errrr.. I have backtick bound to switch channels`
`00:29.49`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:30.01`	`kergoth`	'`which $AR`' will do nothing also
`00:30.08`	`kergoth`	"`which $AR`" will work
`00:30.19`	`noiddAWAY`	`ok, i'll try thta`
`00:30.28`	`kergoth`	as will `which $AR` without quotes, but only assuming it returns a single word
`00:30.33`	`kergoth`	`you're safest quoting with ""`
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`00:39.17`	`kergoth`	`18628588 bytes uncompressed to 41775276, 2.24X expansion`
`00:39.24`	`kergoth`	`man, buildroot's gotten bigger than i thought`
`00:39.31`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:41.18`	`noiddAWAY`	`kergoth: what the hell am I going to do about this:`
`00:41.24`	`noiddAWAY`	`myuname='linux zaurus 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix #5 wed dec 11 22:20:32 cst 2002 armv4l unknown '`
`00:41.27`	`noiddAWAY`	`:-P`
`00:41.41`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:41.46`	`kergoth`	`it wants a uname for the target?`
`00:41.51`	`kergoth`	`fuck that, make it use uname from the host`
`00:41.57`	`kergoth`	myuname="`uname -a`"
`00:41.58`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`00:42.04`	`noiddAWAY`	`hehe`
`00:45.14`	`pjcj`	`noiddAWAY: The first NT Perl ports claimed to be IRIX IIRC.`
`00:45.59`	`noiddAWAY`	`kergoth: which variable should I use for arch based directories`
`00:46.08`	`noiddAWAY`	`i'm currently using armv4l-linux`
`00:46.25`	`kergoth`	`arch based directories?`
`00:46.29`	`noiddAWAY`	`yeah`
`00:46.31`	`kergoth`	`like what?`
`00:46.42`	`noiddAWAY`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.47`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`00:46.51`	`noiddAWAY`	`thats where the arm specific shared libs go :-)`
`00:46.54`	`kergoth`	`well, this is highly buildroot specific, but fuck it`
`00:46.59`	`kergoth`	`use $(SYS)`
`00:47.01`	`kergoth`	`$SYS that is`
`00:47.07`	`noiddAWAY`	`k`
`00:47.15`	`kergoth`	`gets set to target arch - tarchet os`
`00:47.17`	`kergoth`	`target rather`
`00:47.38`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: eh, most of the hacks in buildroot are highly buildroot specific :)`
`00:47.43`	`kergoth`	`true that`
`00:47.48`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`00:48.04`	`treke\|home`	`most people dont spend the time to create well designed hacks :)`
`00:48.23`	`noiddAWAY`	`sitearch="/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/$SYS"`
`00:50.10`	`noiddAWAY`	`ok, thats ARCH-OS`
`00:50.16`	`noiddAWAY`	`thats ok, thats predictable`
`00:50.20`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`00:51.40`	`kergoth`	`eh, sys isnt arch, sys is arch-os`
`00:51.48`	`noiddAWAY`	`I know`
`00:51.52`	`noiddAWAY`	`but they have to match`
`00:52.04`	`noiddAWAY`	`as perl looks for its bits in blah/blah/"arch"`
`00:52.07`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`00:52.09`	`kergoth`	`k`
`00:52.15`	`noiddAWAY`	`so if we change arch to be SYS, has to be evreywhere`
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`00:56.23`	`noiddAWAY`	`ok, lets give this a test`
`00:57.21`	`noiddAWAY`	`-march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32`
`00:57.27`	`noiddAWAY`	`those the right flags kergoth?`
`00:57.40`	`noiddAWAY`	`amonng others`
`00:58.01`	`ljp`	`damn it, that shower drained all th emotivation from me`
`00:58.32`	`noiddAWAY`	`fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck`
`00:58.37`	`noiddAWAY`	`CONFIG key 'ar' does not exist in Config.pm`
`00:58.38`	`noiddAWAY`	`CONFIG key 'cc' does not exist in Config.pm`
`00:58.39`	`noiddAWAY`	`etc`
`00:58.40`	`noiddAWAY`	`told you`
`00:58.54`	`noiddAWAY`	`fucking piece of shit crap wank arse stupid fucking perl fucking build fucking system shite`
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`00:59.55`	`noiddAWAY`	`told you they'd pattern match the fucking thing`
`00:59.55`	`noiddAWAY`	`argh`
`01:01.40`	`kergoth`	`ibot: perl's buildsystem`
`01:01.41`		`i heard perl's buildsystem is the devil!`
`01:02.04`	`kenb`	`true`
`01:02.11`	`noiddAWAY`	`next time you tell me to do something in shell i'll remind you of this moment`
`01:02.40`	`noiddAWAY`	`that modification took me like an hour too`
`01:02.54`	`noiddAWAY`	`hmm, bbiab`
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`01:11.32`	`noiddAWAY`	`wq`
`01:16.08`	`treke\|home`	`we must keep in mind that the authors of perls build script also wrote perl`
`01:16.42`	`kolla`	`do we have to?`
`01:16.44`	`chouimat`	`treke\|home: hehe`
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`01:17.28`	`xyle`	`!seen sukoshi`
`01:17.47`	`kergoth`	`grr`
`01:17.58`	`kergoth`	`when you check out the binutils module from redhat cvs`
`01:18.02`	`kergoth`	`it names the local dir 'src'`
`01:18.05`	`kergoth`	`for some stupid fucking reason`
`01:18.09`	`xyle`	`hello Suko\|Yasumi are you around?`
`01:18.11`	`kergoth`	`and breaks getsource as a result`
`01:18.14`	`kergoth`	`:\`
`01:19.01`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: REDHAT == MS of Linux World`
`01:20.31`	`treke\|home`	`bah. redhat isnt that bad`
`01:20.43`	`noidd`	`does it REALLY have to cross compile to anything :-P`
`01:20.50`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:20.58`	`kergoth`	`woo`
`01:21.02`	`kergoth`	`got binutils building from cvs`
`01:21.03`	`kergoth`	`spiffy`
`01:26.49`	`kergoth`	`bleh, time to finally make our toolchainb uild work on a non-debian box`
`01:26.53`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`01:29.07`	`chouimat`	`:)`
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`01:38.46`	`kergoth`	`hm, easier than i thought itd be`
`01:38.46`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:40.07`	`noidd`	`w`
`01:40.20`	`noidd`	`hmm, 02:40am in the UK, must be past Georges bedtime I guess`
`01:45.51`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|tv: k, it works`
`01:45.54`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:48.08`	`chouimat\|tv`	`noidd: lol`
`01:48.24`	`chouimat\|tv`	`kergoth: I'm watching Battlefield Earth`
`01:49.23`	`mchang`	`chouimat\|tv: is it bad?`
`01:50.30`	`chouimat\|tv`	`mchang: don't know yet ... I for myself don't care what people say about a movie I hated LOTR`
`01:50.42`	`mchang`	`chouimat\|tv: just wondering - reviews sad it blowed`
`01:52.44`	`chouimat\|tv`	`mchang: so far it's not bad I have seen worst (you know scifi movie with no budget)`
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`01:56.15`	`noidd`	`me++ # readble code # ($callbacks->{$key}[0])->($key);`
`01:57.10`	`kergoth`	`gcc -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE -Dinhibit_libc -D__gthr_posix_h -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wtraditional -pedantic -Wno-long-long -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DGENERATOR_FILE -o gengenrtl \`
`01:57.14`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:57.16`	`kergoth`	`../libiberty/libiberty.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run ranlib to add one`
`01:57.19`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`01:57.49`	`noidd`	`phew, not one of mine`
`01:57.50`	`noidd`	`:-)`
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`02:23.19`	`kergoth`	`awin 13`
`02:23.22`	`kergoth`	`bleh`
`02:23.56`	`noidd`	`ok, take 16`
`02:24.15`	`kergoth`	`s/a/\//;`
`02:25.02`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|tv: well, gcc extracts and patches without debian now.. ran into another build problem, but it may be a result of my switch to binutils from cvs that i changed at the same time`
`02:25.52`	`noidd`	`ok kergoth, I think this is it`
`02:26.01`	`kergoth`	`noidd: ?`
`02:26.23`	`noidd`	`you can change the flags / CC etc via the environment`
`02:27.05`	`kergoth`	`nice!`
`02:27.15`	`noidd`	`written a perl program (generate_config_sh) to autogenerate the config.sh file`
`02:27.24`	`noidd`	`fully configurable like this:`
`02:27.33`	`noidd`	`$callbacks->{'cc'} = [\&simple_process, ["CC", "arm-linux-gcc"]];`
`02:27.33`	`noidd`	`$callbacks->{'cccdlflags'} = [\&simple_process, ["CFLAGS", ""]];`
`02:27.36`	`xyle`	`can someone help me with my Zaurus?`
`02:27.57`	`kergoth`	`noidd: nice`
`02:27.59`	`kergoth`	`xyle: ask away`
`02:28.12`	`kergoth`	`hrm`
`02:29.11`	`xyle`	`kergoth: I was able to connect it to mandrake 9.1 however after I replug it I am now getting this error kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address`
`02:29.17`	`noidd`	`ah fook`
`02:29.20`	`noidd`	`hehe`
`02:29.33`	`noidd`	`its also gotta parse my package list files :-P`
`02:29.36`	`noidd`	`hehe`
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`02:34.11`	`noidd`	`kergoth: if the other platforms are more strange, I may need a sample ./Configure from perl from them`
`02:34.22`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`02:34.28`	`noidd`	`kergoth: things like endian differences, fundimentaion library diffs etc`
`02:36.09`	`kergoth`	`k`
`02:40.36`	`masticator`	`hmm.`
`02:40.42`	`masticator`	`I cant join #oggvorbis`
`02:40.44`	`masticator`	`or #ogg`
`02:41.50`	`noidd`	`ok, its 03:42 and i'm starting to get tired`
`02:42.05`	`noidd`	`when this builds completely i'll commit and email it`
`02:42.10`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`02:42.14`	`noidd`	`gonna have to be in the same format as before it thats ok :-/`
`02:42.18`	`kergoth`	`thats fine`
`02:42.29`	`noidd`	`i tried installing /bin/mail - it barfed`
`02:42.35`	`noidd`	`need more t8ime to look at that`
`02:42.53`	`kergoth`	`hm, my toolchain build exploded in my face`
`02:42.54`	`kergoth`	`odd`
`02:43.12`	`noidd`	`at least that means you cant blame me when perl refuses to compile :-)`
`02:43.17`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`02:52.59`	`treke\|home`	`but I havent actually tested anything yet`
`02:53.56`	`noidd`	`I really should drag down the bk for OE`
`02:57.34`	`kergoth`	`noidd: he means compiling the current oe, which is buildroot, not the new oe, which isnt functional yet`
`02:57.57`	`noidd`	`ah, ok`
`02:58.05`	`ljp`	`wow, your compilers must be smokin'!`
`02:58.08`	`noidd`	`I saw you say there was some interesting stuff in the new oe`
`02:58.40`	`noidd`	`none of london.pm are going to talk to me again`
`03:01.59`	`noidd`	`pwd`
`03:10.00`	`noidd`	`kergoth: the patch which supports the fun and dancing environment is up`
`03:10.12`	`noidd`	`kergoth: in your main I should say, @handhelds.org`
`03:10.57`	`noidd`	`it supports env variables AR, SYS, CC, CFLAGS, CCP, CCPFLAGS, LD, LDFLAGS`
`03:11.04`	`noidd`	`which I think should cover you`
`03:12.49`	`noidd`	`Now, to bed :-)`
`03:12.52`	`noidd`	`later all`
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`03:40.37`	`mithro`	`hello everyone...`
`03:40.49`	`mithro`	`kergoth: you about at the moment?`
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`03:41.13`	`mrskinner`	`does oz 3.2 work with the old sharp windows usb drivers?`
`03:41.21`	`mrskinner`	`i can't seem to get the bitch to connect.`
`03:44.28`	`mrskinner`	`is anyone in here?`
`03:47.06`	`mrskinner`	`guess not.`
`03:50.49`	`kergoth`	`mrskinner: works fine`
`03:51.29`	`_Psycho`	`back from friend house, reflashed my zaurus there =p`
`03:51.37`	`mrskinner`	`hrmm. i've got the computer set up as 192.168.129.1 and the z is set up as 192.168.129.201`
`03:52.02`	`kergoth`	`hey _Psycho, hows the car?`
`03:52.21`	`_Psycho`	`quite nice :)`
`03:52.23`	`_Psycho`	`got it last night`
`03:52.25`	`_Psycho`	`when out and stuff`
`03:52.26`	`mithro`	`kergoth: do you think you could send me your buildroot-oz/.config and buildroot-oz/output/.config no matter what options i try i still can't build a working zaurus ROM... :(`
`03:52.41`	`_Psycho`	`still learning to use a clush, but its getting ebtter`
`03:52.42`	`kergoth`	`corgi-opie is the correct config`
`03:52.51`	`kergoth`	`and corgi-opie_image is the correct image config`
`03:52.57`	`_Psycho`	`very happy (of course)`
`03:53.00`	`kergoth`	`_Psycho: cool cool :)`
`03:53.01`	`_Psycho`	`hey btw`
`03:53.13`	`_Psycho`	`i tried to flash my 30 megs images`
`03:53.15`	`_Psycho`	`got a write error`
`03:53.21`	`_Psycho`	`its too big you think ?`
`03:53.25`	`_Psycho`	`29.5 actually`
`03:53.39`	`mrskinner`	`woops. had to ifup usbd0`
`03:55.29`	`_Psycho`	`maybe it was just a crc error or something`
`03:55.37`	`_Psycho`	`might try later to redo another`
`03:55.51`	`_Psycho`	`still need to go buy another reader tomorow so i will be more in buisness ;)`
`03:56.14`	`_Psycho`	`damn just got home too late to go buy beers`
`03:56.23`	`_Psycho`	`maybe i should go out`
`03:56.26`	`mrskinner`	`buhh. my zaurus hates winxp`
`03:57.52`	`mrskinner`	`is there anything common that people do wrong when trying to get the usb network up?`
`03:57.59`	`mrskinner`	`or a howto on it.`
`03:58.07`	`kergoth`	`yeah, not setting the ip in the windows network config`
`03:58.16`	`kergoth`	`or removing it from the cradle without ejecting it in windows`
`03:58.28`	`chouimat\|cook`	`hey kenb`
`03:58.32`	`chouimat\|cook`	`hey kergoth`
`03:58.38`	`kergoth`	`hey chouimat\|cook`
`03:59.32`	`chouimat\|cook`	`brb supper is cooking :) and i know it's 23h00`
`04:02.16`	`chouimat\|cook`	`huh? the pink pnather on tv`
`04:03.27`	`mrskinner`	`gahh. this is irritating.`
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`04:06.21`	`mrskinner`	`ahh. keep forgetting that i'm dislexic.`
`04:06.29`	`mrskinner`	`192.186.`
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`04:10.07`	`_Psycho`	`hey kergoth you ever got a new image up ?`
`04:10.12`	`_Psycho`	`since mine doesnt want to flash hehe`
`04:12.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hello`
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`04:16.42`	`mrskinner`	`anyone got opieremote working under 3.2?`
`04:38.31`	`chouimat\|shower`	`wooooohoooooo Barb Wire on tv`
`04:39.18`	`mithro`	`kergoth: _Psycho was saying that you had got it mostly working except for some layout problems? i can definetly help with layout problems.... (i think the input problem may have been quite a bit above me....)`
`04:42.04`	`mrskinner`	`has anyone got opie remote working? i installed lirc and opieremote but i keep getting socket could not connect messages`
`04:45.18`	`_Psycho`	`yes thast what i said :)`
`04:47.41`	`mithro`	`_Psycho: i was asking for conformation :)`
`04:48.07`	`_Psycho`	`indeed`
`04:48.23`	`_Psycho`	`i want to know if i take the corgi-opie image if my image shjould be ok`
`04:48.28`	`_Psycho`	`but he seem to be afk since 20 min`
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`04:51.15`	`Bala`	`you have the directors special edition?`
`04:51.28`	`ivan`	`pam anderson is still alive?`
`04:51.52`	`chouimat\|tv`	`Bala: nah! I watching TVA`
`04:52.46`	`Bala`	`your not missing much.. the only diff with the directors cut was the extended 20 minute shower scene :)`
`04:53.13`	`chouimat\|tv`	`Bala: I'm ssure I can fiind that on the net ;)`
`04:53.26`	`treke\|home`	`Bala: not missing much? that's probably the best part of the movie`
`04:53.44`	`Bala`	`treke\|home: a war movie as in rambo: first blood part II or a in the thin read line?`
`04:53.54`	`Bala`	`er red`
`04:54.09`	`treke\|home`	`I was thinking Dirty Dozen myself`
`04:54.19`	`chouimat\|tv`	`yup good one`
`04:55.23`	`Bala`	`well rambo was actually the second movie..`
`04:55.29`	`Bala`	`first blood was the first`
`04:55.32`	`treke\|home`	`right`
`04:56.19`	`treke\|home`	`First Blood is the one i've seen`
`04:57.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok, time to add qte-awt support for kaffe`
`04:59.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`04:59.47`	`TheMasterMind1`	`OMG`
`04:59.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`http://4.64.68.172/dumb_cat.mpg`
`05:00.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`thats awful`
`05:00.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`poor cat`
`05:02.48`	`chouimat\|tv`	`TheMasterMind1: lol`
`05:03.00`	`_Psycho`	`its the ad of the new nokia cell phone`
`05:03.03`	`_Psycho`	`they cut it`
`05:05.40`	`djr`	`kergoth: hows that feed update going? ehehe`
`05:08.19`	`chouimat\|tv`	`TheMasterMind1: after the flying dutchman ... the flying cat`
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`05:12.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc: In function `int getCursor(int)':
`05:12.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:99: `ArrowCursor' is not a member of type `Qt'
`05:12.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:100: `CrossCursor' is not a member of type `Qt'
`05:12.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`any ideas?`
`05:17.57`	`treke\|laptop`	`probably a member of QCursor?`
`05:19.18`	`treke\|laptop`	`arrowCursor`
`05:19.24`	`treke\|laptop`	`and crossCursor`
`05:23.03`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`05:23.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so the code is bad`
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`05:26.46`	`_Psycho`	`hmm im getting flash error with my image, i think 30 megs its too big`
`05:26.50`	`_Psycho`	`i go in bed i check tomorow`
`05:26.51`	`_Psycho`	`later ;)`
`05:32.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:99: `ArrowCursor' is not a member of type `QCursor'
`05:32.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:100: `CrossCursor' is not a member of type `QCursor'
`05:32.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:101: `IbeamCursor' is not a member of type `QCursor'
`05:32.40`	`treke\|laptop`	`tru arrowCursor and crossCursor`
`05:32.54`	`treke\|laptop`	`and ibeamCursor`
`05:33.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`huh?`
`05:33.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`oh`
`05:33.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ok`
`05:33.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nope`
`05:34.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:99: `arrowCursor' is not a member of type `QCursor'
`05:34.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:100: `crossCursor' is not a member of type `QCursor'
`05:34.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:101: `ibeamCursor' is not a member of type `QCursor'
`05:34.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:34.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:34.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:34.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`is the code`
`05:34.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`was originally QT::ArrowCursor;`
`05:38.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`05:38.06`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its Qt:arrowCursor;`
`05:38.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but`
`05:38.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:103: `const class QCursor' used where a `int' was expected
`05:38.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:104: `const class QCursor' used where a `int' was expected
`05:38.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:105: `const class QCursor' used where a `int' was expected
`05:38.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:106: `const class QCursor' used where a `int' was expected
`05:38.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the code was expecting ints`
`05:38.24`	`TheMasterMind1`	`has this changed from before or something?`
`05:38.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:38.49`	`treke\|laptop`	`Qt:arrowCursor is a cursor object, not a cursor type`
`05:38.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`is how its used`
`05:38.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ah ok`
`05:39.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so i need an int which is passed to the constructor of QCursor`
`05:39.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`which specifies type`
`05:39.19`	`TheMasterMind1`	`right?`
`05:39.49`	`treke\|laptop`	`right. or you can just use Qt:arrowCursor which is a precreated object that you can use`
`05:40.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`yea that won't work, i need the int type`
`05:40.21`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cuz thats what all the code is based on`
`05:40.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`enum QCursorShape {`
`05:40.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:40.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`is that it?`
`05:40.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`thats in qte code`
`05:41.00`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:41.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`you probably noticed, but i have no idea what i'm doing. just trying to get this kaffe qte-awt compiling`
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`05:47.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so any idea`
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`07:57.24`	`HeelToe`	`howdy`
`07:57.33`	`mchang`	`hey`
`07:58.19`	`HeelToe`	`using oz32/irc client for opie... pain in butt!`
`07:59.35`	`HeelToe`	`will come back later w/desktop client`
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`08:23.15`	`Speedy2`	`re`
`08:23.19`	`Speedy2`	`Hey kergoth, you here?`
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`09:54.45`	`mickeyl`	`moin`
`09:55.22`	`hugh`	`It's a quite night/moin here.`
`09:55.32`	`hugh`	`s/quite/quiet/`
`09:58.23`	`hugh`	`Loosing it or just starting to look for it Twiun?`
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`10:10.17`	`orbis`	`could someone here please tell me how to partition a 128mb CF card in windows...I need to install WISP on a Soekris Net4521`
`10:11.55`	`noidd`	`fooking bk is in a mess after I attempted a merge`
`10:12.34`	`noidd`	`red@duragesic projects $ rm -rf buildroot-oz/`
`10:12.37`	`noidd`	`Wheeeeeeeee`
`10:13.01`	`orbis`	`lo noidd`
`10:14.42`	`noidd`	`hey orbis`
`10:14.50`	`noidd`	`ibot, buildroot?`
`10:14.50`		`rumour has it, buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot`
`10:15.03`	`noidd`	`ibot, oz buildroot?`
`10:15.05`		`from memory, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper.`
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`10:22.29`	`mickeyl`	`noidd: the perl description in config.in - was that your idea?`
`10:23.14`	`noidd`	`"(more versatile scripting language)"`
`10:23.17`	`noidd`	`that one?`
`10:24.33`	`mickeyl`	`hehe yeah`
`10:24.44`	`noidd`	`yeah, I thought it was kinda funny`
`10:25.01`	`noidd`	`I yanked your config.in file - adding the word more was just humourous :-)`
`10:25.13`	`mickeyl`	`yes it is. initially i thought kergoth was making fun of me because of me loving python :-D`
`10:25.28`	`noidd`	`I didn't actually realise if would appear in make config`
`10:25.33`	`noidd`	`at the time`
`10:26.04`	`mickeyl`	`hehe. no problem, leave it in. just wanted to make sure who is joking here :-D`
`10:26.07`	`noidd`	`next to python in the description is not cool - as it appeers that OZ has a preference of one over the other`
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`10:26.25`	`Twiun`	`hugh: losing it? lol, I lost it years ago`
`10:26.27`	`mickeyl`	`noidd: you can change this if you change the name of Perl :-D`
`10:26.38`	`noidd`	`to pearl?`
`10:26.40`	`noidd`	`:-)`
`10:26.51`	`noidd`	`I'm looking at adding parrot to the buildtree too :-P`
`10:26.58`	`mickeyl`	`haha, no that wouldn't change anything...`
`10:27.05`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, parrot is impressive.`
`10:27.21`	`noidd`	`I'm not actiually sure if python are taking parrot seriously`
`10:27.27`	`noidd`	`but parrot is truely lovely`
`10:27.45`	`noidd`	`you remeber how the project started ?`
`10:27.49`	`noidd`	`its a kinda funny story`
`10:28.00`	`mickeyl`	`i think not. tell me`
`10:28.05`	`noidd`	`and somewhat appropriate - given our loyalties`
`10:28.18`	`noidd`	`2 years ago, O'Reilly did an April Fools joke`
`10:28.54`	`noidd`	`said that Larry Wall(perl author) and Guiddo?(Python author) were going to merge the perl and python languages`
`10:29.09`	`noidd`	`and the article gave several examples of the "merged language"`
`10:29.29`	`noidd`	`all the examples were of course perls greatest bitches about python, and pythons greatest bitches about perl`
`10:29.43`	`mickeyl`	`hehe, can image that`
`10:29.48`	`noidd`	`nice April fools joke against both communities`
`10:30.09`	`noidd`	`new language was going to be called "parrot"`
`10:30.36`	`noidd`	`anyways - someone took it vaugly seriously, and parrot - a shared VM for perl and python was born`
`10:30.45`	`mickeyl`	`nice. i even remember that ther was this aprils fool, but didn't realize that someone actually started a project. this is pretty cool :))`
`10:30.53`	`noidd`	`and now basic, brainfuck, .gnu etc`
`10:31.08`	`noidd`	`parrot is pretty cool, but the build system is fucked`
`10:31.17`	`noidd`	`"Its a temporary build system"`
`10:31.24`	`noidd`	`problem is that it works`
`10:31.32`	`noidd`	`and when something works, people tend to not want to fix it`
`10:32.21`	`mickeyl`	`sounds a (little) bit like our buildroot`
`10:32.23`	`mickeyl`	`:)`
`10:32.51`	`noidd`	`i've never looked at the python build method`
`10:32.54`	`noidd`	`but perl is ugly`
`10:33.09`	`noidd`	`it builds a "miniperl" which it uses to build the rest`
`10:33.18`	`noidd`	`miniperl is about 80% of the perl object files`
`10:33.22`	`mickeyl`	`hehe, no I was referring to openembedded buildroot here`
`10:33.27`	`noidd`	`ah, gotcha`
`10:33.46`	`noidd`	`I wont tell you the story of my torture`
`10:34.28`	`carsten`	`how can I find out howmany RAM my videocard has?`
`10:34.43`	`mickeyl`	`i can imagine. been through the same. python actually uses autoconf for a start. but it builds a parser and python and the uses python to build all the rest. so, same story here.`
`10:34.46`	`noidd`	`hey carsten - depends how old your card is`
`10:34.56`	`noidd`	`a cat /proc/pci may tell you`
`10:35.10`	`noidd`	`yeah - sounds like the same problem`
`10:35.19`	`carsten`	`notebook, noidd`
`10:35.28`	`noidd`	`how old carsten?`
`10:35.46`	`noidd`	`what make / model?`
`10:35.50`	`carsten`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`10:35.51`	`carsten`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:35.52`	`carsten`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:35.56`	`carsten`	`HP xt1000`
`10:35.56`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, there's some ugly patching involved. initially i did the same as you, but later I split the package and created a hostpython.`
`10:36.31`	`noidd`	`nice and new then :-)`
`10:37.26`	`noidd`	`http://www.sbellon.de/xt1000.html`
`10:37.40`	`noidd`	`http://www.logoport.net/static/private/js/xt1000.html`
`10:37.55`	`noidd`	`Those URLs contain module information and XF86Config files`
`10:38.46`	`noidd`	`yeah - kinda assuming there is a perl-5.8.0 is probably not correct`
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`11:08.19`	`noidd`	`Resolving files.zaurus.com... failed: Host not found.`
`11:08.26`	`noidd`	`bah,`
`11:08.35`	`noidd`	`zaurus.com-- # breakin my buildroot`
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`11:35.32`	`hugh`	`OZ-3.2 seems to have trashed my SD card, you know the one with all my data backed up on it... Sigh.`
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`11:46.53`	`S\|amdunk`	`anyone able to help a guy in distress ?`
`11:46.56`	`S\|amdunk`	`installed OZ 3.2 - messed around a bit - now I have lost all network interfaces - I cant add any or configure any network settings so i want to flash back to sharp 2.39 what do i need to do`
`11:47.21`	`S\|amdunk`	`if i try an ifup usbd0 from the cmd line i get "couldnt read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"`
`11:47.26`	`noidd`	`get yourself qa copy of the OSPACK from the website`
`11:47.31`	`noidd`	`put it on your CF card`
`11:47.46`	`noidd`	`(after deleteing the OZ files from it) zImage, initrd.bin`
`11:47.49`	`noidd`	`then re-flash`
`11:47.54`	`noidd`	`instructions are on the website`
`11:47.55`	`S\|amdunk`	`so only way to do it is with a card reader?`
`11:48.06`	`S\|amdunk`	`yeah i have the instructions`
`11:48.18`	`S\|amdunk`	`my main problem is moving the OSPACK file to the cf`
`11:48.46`	`S\|amdunk`	`./etc/network/interfaces - is this a standard file?`
`11:48.56`	`S\|amdunk`	`ie can i recreate it`
`11:49.46`	`mickeyl`	`damn... that camera driver is dawg-slow`
`11:49.59`	`mickeyl`	`100 ms for one lousy 240x160 picture`
`11:50.20`	`mickeyl`	`sad. and i thought i could grab video`
`11:50.29`	`mickeyl`	`but 10fps is uninterestingly`
`11:50.51`	`S\|amdunk`	`would anyone be willing to copy and paste the contents of this file to me please - /etc/network/interfaces`
`11:51.54`	`mickeyl`	`auto lo wlan0`
`11:51.54`	`mickeyl`	`iface lo inet loopback`
`11:51.54`	`mickeyl`	`iface wlan0 inet dhcp`
`11:51.54`	`mickeyl`	`iface eth0 inet dhcp`
`11:51.54`	`mickeyl`	`iface eth1 inet dhcp`
`11:51.55`	`mickeyl`	`iface usbd0 inet static`
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`11:52.03`	`mickeyl`	`# comment out other iface`
`11:52.05`	`mickeyl`	`# & uncomment to use dhcp`
`11:52.07`	`mickeyl`	`#iface usbd0 inet dhcp`
`11:52.30`	`S\|amdunk`	`thanx man`
`11:52.35`	`mickeyl`	`np`
`12:00.42`	`noidd`	`hey pheon][x`
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`14:08.45`	`xyle`	`hello, I am trying to install qtopia-desktop rpm in linux mandrake 9.1 but I get an error that says libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.0-1 . Any ideas?`
`14:09.27`	`noidd`	`seen mickeyl`
`14:09.40`	`noidd`	`ibot, seen mickeyl`
`14:09.40`		`mickeyl is currently on #opie (6d 4h 26m 3s) #openembedded (6d 4h 26m 3s). Has said a total of 318 messages. Is idling for 2h 17m 5s`
`14:09.44`	`Harlekin`	`xyle: so install it .-)`
`14:12.27`	`xyle`	`Harlekin: the libstdc++ is a higher version. I tried symlinking it but it still says failed dependencies`
`14:12.46`	`mithro`	`ibot, seen kergoth`
`14:12.46`		`kergoth is currently on #opie (4h 21m 26s) #uclibc (4h 21m 26s) #picogui (4h 21m 26s) #tuxscreen (4h 21m 26s) #zaurus (4h 21m 26s) #elinux (4h 21m 26s) #openembedded (4h 21m 26s) #handhelds.org (4h 21m 26s) #openzaurus (4h 21m 26s)`
`14:13.27`	`Harlekin`	`xyle: which distribution?`
`14:14.25`	`xyle`	`Harlekin: Mandrake 9.1`
`14:14.55`	`Harlekin`	`then no idea`
`14:17.25`	`xyle`	`Harlekin: ok thanx.`
`14:22.53`	`mithro`	`use --nodeps`
`14:23.14`	`mithro`	`then link you real libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.* to the required file above`
`14:24.06`	`xyle`	`mithro: thanks. I think it will work. Stupid me :)`
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`14:29.51`	`xyle`	`mithro: thank you very much. Now my next probelm is I have a b500 and it seem qtopia desktop is not communicating with it. I already have a usb0 up`
`14:31.36`	`xyle`	`anyone here who owns a Zaurus b500 (jap version of 5600)?`
`14:32.20`	`mithro`	`i own a sl-c700`
`14:32.37`	`mithro`	`and qtopia desktop won't sync with the new ibex format as far as i know`
`14:33.53`	`mithro`	`(which is on the b500, a<>, c700 and 5600)`
`14:34.43`	`mithro`	`and oz doesn't work on the new devices (yet...)`
`14:35.10`	`Harlekin`	`actually it works`
`14:35.18`	`mithro`	`it does?`
`14:35.27`	`mithro`	`i know it almost works on the c700`
`14:35.33`	`mithro`	`(which is what i'm trying to do now...)`
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`14:41.58`	`mithro`	`arg! o so close!`
`14:42.08`	`mithro`	`it's complaining about module irda0`
`14:48.05`	`_Psycho`	`mithro someone did a usbnet.c driver for the c700 saw thgat on #zaurus last night`
`14:48.35`	`_Psycho`	`ibot: usbnet`
`14:48.39`		`it has been said that usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/`
`14:48.52`	`_Psycho`	`hmm it was something else`
`14:49.16`	`_Psycho`	`anyway i have to go i check my log later`
`14:51.08`	`xyle`	`mithro: BTW, how do you attack that synching problem? I tried scanning open ports on the zaurus and it seems only samba port is open`
`15:00.48`	`ljp`	`security settings app`
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`15:15.20`	`noidd`	`ljp: cool stuff :-)`
`15:15.56`	`mithro`	`_Psycho: i already had a usbnet driver for the c700`
`15:16.03`	`mithro`	`it's only like a 1 line change`
`15:16.14`	`mithro`	`qtopia still doesn't sync with it though...`
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`15:17.24`	`mithro`	`hrm the sl-c700 won't come out of suspend mode :( what button is it on the zaurus 5500?`
`15:17.40`	`ljp`	`cancel`
`15:17.47`	`ljp`	`hold`
`15:18.46`	`mithro`	`hrm nope won't come out of suspend...`
`15:26.07`	`ljp`	`hmmmm`
`15:29.00`	`mithro`	`when opie isn't started pressing the power button does nothing...`
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`15:31.16`	`yakito`	`hi all`
`15:31.57`	`yakito`	`has anyone been able to compile a java program on the zaurus ? I have tested kafee but it does not work, I run javac from konsole and konsole disappears :O`
`15:41.49`	`yakito`	`anyone there ?`
`15:41.54`	`yakito`	`has anyone been able to compile a java program on the zaurus ? I have tested kafee but it does not work, I run javac from konsole and konsole disappears :O`
`15:42.13`	`noidd`	`yes, i'm here`
`15:42.24`	`noidd`	`I just know less than nothing about java ;-)`
`15:42.38`	`yeiafk`	`same here`
`15:43.39`	`mithro`	`yakito: you running sharp rom or oz?`
`15:44.39`	`yakito`	`Oz 3.2`
`15:45.03`	`yakito`	`anybody know what happens to zaurus.com website ?? it is down`
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`16:09.40`	`chouimat`	`morning`
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`16:10.03`	`Dessimat0r`	`yo`
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`16:19.08`	`chouimat`	`http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030406&mode=classic`
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`16:48.06`	`keidon`	`hi`
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`16:52.44`	`yakito`	`anybody has tested java on the zaurus ?`
`16:53.24`	`yeiafk`	`no`
`16:57.42`	`ljp`	`I drink java and use my zaurus all the time. works fine :)`
`16:57.57`	`chouimat`	`ljp: hehe`
`16:59.49`	`chouimat`	`ljp: saw one of her movie last night :)`
`17:00.13`	`ljp`	`her?`
`17:00.37`	`chouimat`	`sorry wrong tangerine dream`
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`17:01.01`	`ljp`	`hmmmmm..`
`17:01.33`	`chouimat`	`ljp: :P`
`17:03.58`	`ljp`	`tangerine dream.. german synth band from 60's-now`
`17:04.38`	`chouimat`	`ljp: ok I thought you were speaking of tangerine dream (pornstar for montreal :)`
`17:04.47`	`chouimat`	`s/for/from`
`17:04.50`	`ljp`	`hahahha, never heard of her`
`17:08.49`	`chouimat`	`ljp: she played in that movie: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0272534`
`17:08.59`	`ljp`	`I highly doubt she could make noise like this!`
`17:09.29`	`chouimat`	`ljp: hehe`
`17:11.06`	`ljp`	`my cat likes to knock everything off tables`
`17:11.30`	`ljp`	`any coins I put on a table, she'll have on the floor in about 15 minutes`
`17:12.22`	`chouimat`	`ljp: my cat is currently on the washiing maching ... he like when it's spinning`
`17:12.58`	`chouimat`	`no now he's hunting cat5 network cable`
`17:13.06`	`ljp`	`mine is on my monitor, hanging her arm in front`
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`17:22.16`	`SuKoSh\|`	`yop`
`17:22.24`	`SuKoSh\|`	`chouimat: hi`
`17:23.11`	`chouimat`	`hi SuKoSh\|`
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`17:23.42`	`masticator`	`morning`
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`17:26.24`	`masticator`	`kergoth: hows the server doing?`
`17:27.28`	`SuKoSh\|`	`kergoth: no bone for me to chew? ;)`
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`18:07.03`	`chouimat`	`wtf perl 5.8.0 is 11MB???`
`18:07.15`	`treke\|laptop`	`sounds right`
`18:08.09`	`chouimat`	`treke\|laptop: was stilll on 5.6.1`
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`18:10.38`	`treke\|laptop`	`Architecture := $(shell cat $(OUTPUT_DIR)/ipkg.conf\|grep 100\|cut -d" " -f2)`
`18:10.42`	`treke\|laptop`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:10.54`	`treke\|laptop`	`anyone see a problem with that being in a Makefile?`
`18:20.51`	`yakito`	`anybody has tested java on the zaurus ? Having problems to compile java on the zaurus`
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`18:21.18`	`chouimat`	`yakito: as ljp said earlier using the zaurus while drinking java is ok`
`18:21.42`	`treke\|laptop`	`its weird, but it says commands commence before first target, yet the the first target is before the error :)`
`18:21.54`	`yakito`	`yes, but I talk about java programming language not the coffee dring :P`
`18:22.32`	`SuKoSh\|`	`yakito: hi`
`18:23.51`	`treke\|laptop`	`kergoth: where is output/ipkg.conf supposed to be installed?`
`18:24.02`	`kergoth`	`?`
`18:24.03`	`treke\|laptop`	`er which package is supposed to do it`
`18:24.04`	`kergoth`	`oh`
`18:24.05`	`kergoth`	`ipkg`
`18:24.07`	`kergoth`	`i need to change that`
`18:24.10`	`kergoth`	`so that ipkg-x86 does it`
`18:24.12`	`treke\|laptop`	`yeah thats a problem :)`
`18:24.16`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`18:24.24`	`treke\|laptop`	`since busybox needs it and ipkg depends on busybox`
`18:24.26`	`kergoth`	`build ipkg, then build the rest of the world, then you'll be fine`
`18:24.26`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`18:24.38`	`chouimat\|music`	`kergoth: morning`
`18:24.44`	`kergoth`	`I just need a way to access the current machine name in packages to set Architecture`
`18:24.50`	`kergoth`	`maybe i'll do some juggling in Vars.make`
`18:25.07`	`yakito`	`Sugar: hi`
`18:25.09`	`Sugar`	`Hey yakito.`
`18:25.18`	`treke\|laptop`	`how do I go about telling ipkg to ignore dependncies?`
`18:25.31`	`kergoth`	`there are two options`
`18:25.32`	`yakito`	`SuKoSh\|: hi`
`18:25.37`	`kergoth`	`one is ignore deps that cant be satisfied`
`18:25.39`	`kergoth`	`thats -force-depends`
`18:25.42`	`treke\|laptop`	`er`
`18:25.44`	`treke\|laptop`	`buildroot`
`18:25.45`	`kergoth`	`one is to not bother trying to satisfy deps`
`18:25.47`	`kergoth`	`oh`
`18:25.48`	`treke\|laptop`	`I need coffee :)`
`18:25.54`	`kergoth`	`make SUBDIRS=nodeps_packages/blah`
`18:25.57`	`kergoth`	`make SUBDIRS=nodeps_packages/blah binary`
`18:25.58`	`kergoth`	`or whatever`
`18:26.01`	`yakito`	`SuKoSh\|: you have tested with java development on the zaurus ?`
`18:26.04`	`kergoth`	`it'll jump there without following deps`
`18:26.10`	`kergoth`	`thats how i implement our clean targets`
`18:26.17`	`kergoth`	`otherwise clean follows deps.. you dont want that`
`18:26.18`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:26.27`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|music: dont we all`
`18:26.29`	`treke\|laptop`	`after the coffee`
`18:26.37`	`SuKoSh\|`	`yakito: never tried yet`
`18:26.52`	`kergoth`	`arg, this toolchain build is pissing me off`
`18:26.58`	`yakito`	`I have installed kaffe, but when I try to compile a java file from the zaurus on the console,the console disappears :(`
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`18:27.33`	`yakito`	`I wanted to know if it is possible to compile java on the zaurus`
`18:27.41`	`kergoth`	`talk to Twiun, the resident java guru`
`18:28.31`	`kergoth`	`hey Twiun :)`
`18:28.33`	`kergoth`	`how goes it`
`18:28.49`	`Twiun`	`same old, trying to get motivated :)`
`18:28.57`	`kergoth`	`yeah, same here`
`18:29.02`	`kergoth`	`i should be cleaning or something`
`18:29.14`	`yakito`	`Twiun: come on, say me something about compiling java on the zaurus :P`
`18:29.15`	`ljp`	`heh, more German spam`
`18:29.15`	`treke\|laptop`	`same here`
`18:29.21`	`Twiun`	`yakito: easy`
`18:29.25`	`kergoth`	`ibot: sunday`
`18:29.26`		`Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday).`
`18:29.39`	`Twiun`	`yakito: get jikes and the classes.zip archive from Sun's 1.1.8 jdk`
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`18:29.48`	`yakito`	`kafee does not work ?`
`18:30.14`	`Twiun`	`depends what you need`
`18:30.26`	`Twiun`	`I've never managed to xcompile kaffe for the Z successfully`
`18:30.58`	`chouimat\|music`	`hey Twiun`
`18:31.02`	`Twiun`	`hey chouimat\|music`
`18:31.50`	`yakito`	`Twiun: I tried to compile a java file on the zaurus and the console from where I launched "javac test.java" died with no message`
`18:32.27`	`Twiun`	`yakito: most likely kaffe segfaulted taking the console with it`
`18:32.32`	`yakito`	`Twiun: maybe only executing class files and compiling is broken ?`
`18:32.53`	`Twiun`	`yakito: I'd seriously recommend using jikes to compile class files`
`18:32.59`	`yakito`	`Twiun: where to get jikes? it does not appear on the killefiz.de`
`18:33.14`	`Twiun`	`yakito: there isn't a package for it, it's a static executable`
`18:33.31`	`yakito`	`I know it is from IBM, but I do not know where to download it from.`
`18:33.55`	`Twiun`	`yakito: I've got a zip of the ARM binary at http://adorphuye.com/files/ZJikes.zip`
`18:34.27`	`yakito`	`I have found it at http://www.micronova.com/ZAURUS/index.html`
`18:34.53`	`Twiun`	`yakito: you'll also need a set of base classes (java.*): you can try using kaffe's runtime jar, Sun's 1.1.8 classes.zip or Wonka's wre.jar - all should work`
`18:35.24`	`Twiun`	`yakito: then you can do /path/to/jikes -classpath /path/to/baseclasses.jar:. myclass.java`
`18:35.41`	`Twiun`	`yakito: I suppose I could always create a package for this`
`18:36.03`	`yakito`	`I will try it, thanks Twiun :)`
`18:36.19`	`treke\|laptop`	`wheee`
`18:36.29`	`Twiun`	`yakito: no problem`
`18:36.56`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: I suppose we (well... I) need to add jikes to the buildroot :)`
`18:43.38`	`kergoth`	`treke\|laptop: you know, those IPKG_BUILD dirs are getting annoying`
`18:44.08`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: yes they are :) any idea what causes them?`
`18:44.12`	`ljp`	`rm $IPKG_BUILD`
`18:44.34`	`treke\|home`	`it just started happening friday or so`
`18:44.42`	`kergoth`	`ipkg-build is hosed`
`18:44.48`	`kergoth`	`we're using ipkg-build from ipkg-utils cvs`
`18:44.50`	`kergoth`	`so they broke it upstream`
`18:44.58`	`kergoth`	`i'll take a look in a few`
`18:44.58`	`treke\|home`	`ah`
`18:45.02`	`kergoth`	`just out of fucking annoyance`
`18:47.22`	`treke\|home`	`btw, figured out why do either corgie or poodle use devfs?`
`18:47.32`	`treke\|home`	`fuck this`
`18:47.38`	`kergoth`	`they dont, afaik`
`18:47.50`	`treke\|home`	`ctl+u isnt working for some reason :)`
`18:48.49`	`kergoth`	`chouimat\|away: aha`
`18:48.50`	`kergoth`	`build/glibc-2.3.2/installtemp/lib/crti.o`
`18:48.53`	`kergoth`	`it _is_ glibc`
`18:48.59`	`kergoth`	`so it was my glibc build that was hosed, not gcc`
`18:49.00`	`kergoth`	`good to know`
`18:49.10`	`chouimat\|away`	`kergoth: need a new keyboard`
`18:49.32`	`chouimat\|away`	`or a new brain`
`18:49.38`	`kergoth`	`or both`
`18:49.49`	`chouimat\|away`	`kergoth: :)`
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`18:55.46`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: ok. I think I've figured out the problem here. It doesnt look like its legal to assign a value to a variable inside a Makefile target`
`18:55.55`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`18:56.21`	`kergoth`	`well then, guess we need _another_ set of if's higher up in the file to set Architecture`
`18:56.25`	`kergoth`	`was hoping to reduce duplication`
`18:56.27`	`treke\|home`	`yup`
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`18:56.50`	`treke\|home`	`this is gmake after all :)`
`18:56.57`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
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`19:02.06`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: Shouldnt it be possible to set the Architecture the same way for each platform?`
`19:02.28`	`treke\|home`	`collie, corgi, and poodle have arch.conf files also, dont they?`
`19:02.41`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`19:02.51`	`kergoth`	`it was my thinking that certain packages dont need to be totally machien speicifc`
`19:03.07`	`kergoth`	`i.e. we can have a default armv4l_strongarm behavior, and a couple machine specific packages for those that deviate`
`19:03.09`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey guys, has anyone tried putting OZ on the dell axim?`
`19:03.16`	`kergoth`	`Com[Plex]: linux doesnt run onthe axim yet`
`19:03.47`	`prpplague`	`Com[Plex]: bootloader issues`
`19:03.55`	`treke\|home`	`and lack of a kernel`
`19:04.35`	`prpplague`	`treke\|home: well not lack of a kernel, lack of custom kernel for the custom hardware`
`19:04.50`	`kergoth`	`lack of dell cooperation all around`
`19:04.52`	`treke\|home`	`which is in practice the same damn thing`
`19:04.54`	`kergoth`	`without specs, none of those things will get done`
`19:04.56`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:04.58`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: that too`
`19:05.11`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: dell is a real ass about that stuff`
`19:05.40`	`prpplague`	`kergoth: well, actually so is sharp, but atleast they are trying to help :)`
`19:05.52`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`19:06.28`	`kergoth`	`my new arm toolchain built happily and doesnt require you build it on a debian box anymore, but failed on the install`
`19:06.35`	`kergoth`	`looks likue the debian libstdc++ PIC patch didnt apply`
`19:06.36`	`kergoth`	`hrm`
`19:06.38`	`prpplague`	`doh`
`19:08.52`	`yeiazel`	`:)`
`19:09.10`	`chouimat\|away`	`ljp: shhhhhhhh`
`19:09.32`	`treke\|home`	`bah same thin in sysvinit`
`19:15.31`	`Com[Plex]`	`that sucsk`
`19:15.39`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey uh. anyone seen sniper around?`
`19:18.58`	`Twiun`	`Com[Plex]: not at weekends surely?`
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`19:22.41`	`Com[Plex]`	`huh?`
`19:22.51`	`ljp`	`ibot seen sniper`
`19:22.52`		`sniper <~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 36d 22h 54m 24s ago, saying: 'brb'.`
`19:24.03`	`Com[Plex]`	`36 days ago?`
`19:24.04`	`Com[Plex]`	`lkol`
`19:24.06`	`calamity`	`how can I stop listing channels??`
`19:24.15`	`kergoth`	`what?`
`19:24.21`	`Com[Plex]`	`disconnect`
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`19:51.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hi`
`19:51.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kergoth: wassup`
`19:51.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`any of you qt guys around?`
`19:51.42`	`kergoth`	`this is a pain in the ass`
`19:51.49`	`kergoth`	`making the toolchain build not require debian anymore`
`19:52.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`19:52.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`not worth it`
`19:52.13`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: just rewrite the script`
`19:52.22`	`kergoth`	`?`
`19:52.29`	`kergoth`	`i have it applying the debian patches, thats easy`
`19:52.29`	`kergoth`	`but`
`19:52.34`	`kergoth`	`each patch is different`
`19:52.36`	`kergoth`	`some are pnum 0`
`19:52.38`	`kergoth`	`some are pnum 1`
`19:52.41`	`kergoth`	`some dont apply at all`
`19:52.59`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: ok ... I prefer to build my toolcchains manualy`
`19:53.06`	`kergoth`	`not i`
`19:53.09`	`kergoth`	`i'm a lazy son of a bitch`
`19:53.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:107: `SizeVerCursor' is not a member of type `Qt'
`19:53.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:108: `SizeVerCursor' is not a member of type `Qt'
`19:53.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:109: `SizeHorCursor' is not a member of type `Qt'
`19:53.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i need to fix that`
`19:53.27`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: me too`
`19:54.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:54.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:54.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:54.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`is the code`
`19:54.39`	`kergoth`	`why are you messing with kaffe? Twiun says he's farther along than the qt/awt in kaffe is anyway`
`19:55.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`really?`
`19:55.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i thought the kaffe qtawt was all done`
`19:55.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i saw some screenshots`
`19:55.18`	`kergoth`	`yep, he based his work on that`
`19:55.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and it looked a lot better than the wonka stuff did`
`19:55.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`19:55.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`nm then`
`19:55.31`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`19:55.32`	`kergoth`	`talk to him before fucking with it`
`19:55.34`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:55.37`	`Twiun`	`no, no, go for it`
`19:55.41`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: ?`
`19:55.58`	`kergoth`	`god i hate gmake`
`19:56.00`	`kergoth`	`look at this shit`
`19:56.02`	`kergoth`	`for gods sake`
`19:56.03`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: the disadvantages with kaffe's awt are simple`
`19:56.04`	`kergoth`	patches=`ls /usr/src/gcc3-arm/build/gcc-3.2-3.2.3ds6.orig/debian/patches/*.dpatch\|egrep -v 'ada-names\| gcc-version\|'\|sed -e's,$, pnum=0\;,;'`; \
`19:56.06`	`kergoth`	patches=`echo $patches\|sed -e's/$ada-gcc-name.dpatch $pnum=0/\\1 pnum=1/; s/$ada-link-lib.dpatch $pnum=0/\\1 pnum=1/; s/$ada-missing-lib.dpatch $pnum=0/\\1 pnum=1/; s/$arm-libstdc++.dpatch $pnum=0/\\1 pnum=1/; s/$arm-tune.dpatch $pnum=0/\\1 pnum=1/; s/$arm-xscale.dpatch $pnum=0/\\1 pnum=1/; s/$libstdc++-pic.dpatch $pnum=0/\\1 pnum=1/;'`; \
`19:56.12`	`kergoth`	`echo patches is $patches; \`
`19:56.14`	`kergoth`	/usr/src/gcc3-arm/scripts/getsource -sourcetree `/usr/src/gcc3-arm/scripts/getsource -source -printonly "$patches" /usr/src/gcc3-arm/sources/` /usr/src/gcc3-arm/build/gcc-3.2-3.2.3ds6.orig/src
`19:56.15`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: but if you get it to compile+run it'd be useful`
`19:56.18`	`kergoth`	`look at that!`
`19:56.21`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:56.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: is kaffe awt qt-awt not fully done?`
`19:56.36`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: it's a part-way solution`
`19:56.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i see`
`19:56.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:56.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:56.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`can you tell me how to fix that`
`19:56.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its not in the class Qt`
`19:56.53`	`calamity`	`i want to ask a question but i m not sure this is correct place`
`19:56.57`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but i dunno what class it is in`
`19:57.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:109: `SizeHorCursor' is not a member of type `Qt'
`19:57.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	wnd.cc:110: `SizeHorCursor' is not a member of type `Qt'
`19:57.13`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: I'd say get rid of anything that mentions a cursor`
`19:57.13`	`kergoth`	`calamity: ask. if its the wrong place, by god we'll tell you`
`19:57.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: hmm`
`19:57.32`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: no cursor functionality required with a stylus`
`19:58.05`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: kaffe's awt is mostly lightweight, only toplevel windows have native peers`
`19:58.20`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: makes it easy to implement but it'll never look like the native platform :(`
`19:59.01`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: that and it's non-portable to other JVMs`
`19:59.10`	`calamity`	`any of you is familiar with such an error during compilation of something`
`19:59.12`	`calamity`	/usr/include/linux/time.h:33: warning: `FD_ZERO' redefined
`19:59.13`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh, ok`
`19:59.19`	`calamity`	`and many like this`
`19:59.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm not a java fan, user, or developer`
`19:59.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i have no idea what i'm doing`
`19:59.32`	`Twiun`	`hehe`
`19:59.46`	`Twiun`	`ideally, you should be able to get it running...`
`19:59.55`	`Twiun`	`what I'd love is a working xcompile`
`20:00.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`bleh`
`20:00.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it doesn't compile`
`20:00.11`	`Twiun`	`beattie was having serious problems with kaffe+libtool`
`20:00.14`	`TheMasterMind1`	`one error after another`
`20:00.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`thats interesting`
`20:00.25`	`Twiun`	`tried compiling it without the awt?`
`20:00.30`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i'm just trying to get the awt only working`
`20:00.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its totally seperate`
`20:00.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`just includes kaffe src`
`20:00.40`	`Twiun`	`that won't work`
`20:00.45`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and qte src`
`20:00.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the compile errors are all related to the awt stuff`
`20:01.02`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kaffe without awt is already in buildroot`
`20:01.08`	`Twiun`	`does it build?`
`20:01.26`	`kergoth`	`yes`
`20:01.30`	`kergoth`	`does it work? who knos`
`20:01.31`	`kergoth`	`knows`
`20:01.33`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`20:02.04`	`Twiun`	`ok, in that case, I'd say keep at it TMM, it should be purely a compile issue`
`20:02.11`	`Twiun`	`the source seemed sane`
`20:02.35`	`Twiun`	`standard disclaimer: I've fucked with it too much now to recognise any of the original stuff :)`
`20:02.36`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`20:02.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`well`
`20:02.38`	`TheMasterMind1`	`it compiled`
`20:02.42`	`TheMasterMind1`	`with a shitload of warnings`
`20:02.44`	`TheMasterMind1`	`but still`
`20:02.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`/usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lqte-mt`
`20:02.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what is qte-mt?`
`20:02.57`	`Twiun`	`multithreaded qt`
`20:02.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`never heard of -mt before`
`20:03.05`	`kergoth`	`god i love patcher`
`20:03.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`why do i need that.. and where do i get it`
`20:03.08`	`hugh`	`FYI, 3.2 trashed my SD/backup card first thing this moring after installing it. Very not good. Though I was a bit excited by having a 4 Terabyte SD!...not.`
`20:03.10`	`kergoth`	`mt is multithreaded`
`20:03.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`do we compile that?`
`20:03.23`	`kergoth`	`no`
`20:03.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmmf`
`20:03.30`	`Twiun`	`it's a compile-time option for qt... just replace qt-mt qith qt`
`20:03.39`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: it should still work?`
`20:03.40`	`kergoth`	`whats g77?`
`20:03.43`	`kergoth`	`in the context of gcc?`
`20:03.47`	`Twiun`	`fortran?`
`20:03.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`fortran i think`
`20:03.51`	`yeiazel`	`the fortran77 compiler`
`20:03.55`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: yeah, it should`
`20:04.04`	`TheMasterMind1`	`all done`
`20:04.05`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`20:04.07`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i created a libawt`
`20:04.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 agupta agupta 615K Apr 6 16:04 libawt-1.0.6.so`
`20:04.42`	`Twiun`	`hmmm, I thought the patch was meant for kaffe 1.0.7?`
`20:04.50`	`Twiun`	`oh well, whatever :)`
`20:05.49`	`kergoth`	`patcher rocks!`
`20:06.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: can you test this out?`
`20:06.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: you already have kaffe working right?`
`20:06.31`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: nope`
`20:06.34`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`20:06.49`	`TheMasterMind1`	`does anyone?`
`20:06.52`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: I never realised the buildroot one compiled`
`20:06.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the package builds one`
`20:06.59`	`TheMasterMind1`	`buildroot builds one`
`20:09.05`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Packaged contents of /home/agupta/buildroot/build/ipktemp/kaffe-1.0.7 into ./kaffe_1.0.7_armv4l-strongarm.ipk`
`20:09.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i need someone who knows kinda what they're doing ot test it`
`20:09.17`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cuz i sure don't`
`20:09.23`	`TheMasterMind1`	`kaffe by itself works with text stuff`
`20:09.27`	`TheMasterMind1`	`and i built the libawt lib`
`20:09.31`	`TheMasterMind1`	`so it should work with guis too`
`20:09.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`or, if someone can tell me how to test it`
`20:09.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i dunno anything about using java`
`20:09.43`	`TheMasterMind1`	`never done it`
`20:09.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cough someone being Twiun cough`
`20:10.05`	`Twiun`	`you can send me the ipk if you want :)`
`20:10.20`	`chouimat`	`wow! I got spammed by Burger King`
`20:10.48`	`calamity`	`:D`
`20:11.20`	`kergoth`	`god debian has a lot of patches against gcc in their .diff`
`20:11.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: ok, i don't have the libawt in an ipk, i'll put that up and you can figure out what to do with it`
`20:11.58`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: lol, ok`
`20:12.22`	`TheMasterMind1`	`i saw some screenshots of kaffe+qte-awt and it looks pretty awesome`
`20:12.25`	`TheMasterMind1`	`definitely usable`
`20:12.48`	`Twiun`	`can't wait to see it run`
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`20:13.28`	`kergoth`	`god our gcc 3.2 makefile is ugly now`
`20:13.31`	`kergoth`	`works, but .. ugly`
`20:15.09`	`kergoth`	`and we werent using ccache in the gcc build..`
`20:16.46`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/java/`
`20:17.18`	`Twiun`	`yikes, 2mb? is that stripped?`
`20:17.20`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm, the lib isn't stripped`
`20:17.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`the package should be`
`20:17.40`	`TheMasterMind1`	`buildroot autostrips everything iirc`
`20:17.48`	`TheMasterMind1`	`right kergoth?`
`20:18.01`	`Twiun`	`right, got it, installing it`
`20:18.03`	`kergoth`	`autostrips at ipk creation time`
`20:18.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`k`
`20:18.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`cool`
`20:18.33`	`TheMasterMind1`	`if it works, take some screenies`
`20:18.40`	`kergoth`	`whew, the gcc build completed .. again`
`20:18.49`	`kergoth`	`hrmm`
`20:18.52`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh`
`20:18.54`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: sure`
`20:18.55`	`TheMasterMind1`	`poor kergoth`
`20:19.16`	`TheMasterMind1`	`who added perl to buildroot?`
`20:20.07`	`kergoth`	`noidd`
`20:20.11`	`kergoth`	`he actually got it to crosscopmile`
`20:20.16`	`kergoth`	`thats an amazing feat`
`20:20.17`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:20.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`wow`
`20:20.42`	`kergoth`	`I had given up on it`
`20:21.16`	`ljp`	`did you ever try gcc=arm-linux-gcc? :)`
`20:21.39`	`kergoth`	`~bitchslap ljp`
`20:21.41`		`ACTION beats the sh*t out of ljp`
`20:22.11`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: wanna sort out kaffe's symlink shit?`
`20:22.16`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: :)`
`20:22.39`	`chouimat`	`ibot now clean ... there is sh*t all over the channel`
`20:22.40`		`chouimat: okay`
`20:23.01`	`kergoth`	`ibot: now clean ... there?`
`20:23.02`		`[now clean ... there] sh*t all over the channel`
`20:23.07`	`kergoth`	`~fishslap chouimat`
`20:23.09`		`ACTION slaps chouimat up side the head with a wet fish.`
`20:23.15`	`kergoth`	`ibot: forget now clean ... there`
`20:23.15`		`i forgot now clean ... there, kergoth`
`20:23.15`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: eh?`
`20:23.17`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: :)`
`20:23.50`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: whats wrong with it`
`20:23.58`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ick`
`20:24.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`its including man pages`
`20:24.20`	`kergoth`	`~lart kaffe build`
`20:24.29`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: other than man pages, it looks sane to me`
`20:25.22`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: the ipk tries to symlink lots of .so files on the cf card`
`20:25.29`	`Twiun`	`in any case...`
`20:25.30`	`Twiun`	`# kaffe -classpath /mnt/cf test`
`20:25.30`	`Twiun`	Couldn't find or load essential class `java/lang/Object' java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError java/lang/Object
`20:25.30`	`Twiun`	`Aborted`
`20:25.30`	`Twiun`	`# Connection to zaurus closed.`
`20:26.25`	`kergoth`	`cmon toolchain, build`
`20:26.36`	`kergoth`	`the debianisms int he patch application are gone, still need to fix the unpack step`
`20:26.52`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: you can do man!!!`
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`20:27.09`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: now it gets a nullpointer exception in FileInputStream`
`20:27.16`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: something's really weird`
`20:27.26`	`Twiun`	`TheMasterMind1: and it's nothing to do with the awt stuff`
`20:27.49`	`kergoth`	`i say fuck kaffe. wait for Twiun's wonka work`
`20:27.51`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:28.15`	`kergoth`	`woo`
`20:28.18`	`TheMasterMind1`	`Twiun: hmm`
`20:28.34`	`kergoth`	`gcc 3.2.3ds6, binutils from today's cvs, glibc 2.3.2`
`20:28.42`	`Twiun`	`I'm gonna have to shoot off for tonight :(`
`20:28.45`	`kergoth`	`and patch application used my new method`
`20:28.51`	`kergoth`	`time to build some shit and see if it explodes`
`20:28.55`	`Twiun`	`starting work in 10 hours`
`20:29.17`	`kergoth`	`k night Twiun`
`20:29.26`	`kergoth`	`bleh`
`20:29.27`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`20:30.56`	`chouimat`	`http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=comedy&item=3717R&type=store`
`20:37.24`	`chouimat`	`http://montypythondirect.com/product_information.asp?PRODUCT=ADPYBD009`
`20:39.59`	`kergoth`	`I should make buildroot able to build things without building a c library`
`20:40.06`	`kergoth`	`that is, make it capable of relying on the c lib in your toolchain`
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`20:47.11`	`TheMasterMind1`	`who added kaffe again?`
`20:47.24`	`kergoth`	`dunno`
`20:47.36`	`kergoth`	`new toolchain is working well so far`
`20:48.28`	`TheMasterMind1`	`beattie?`
`20:48.35`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot seen beattie`
`20:48.36`		`beattie <~beattie@dsl093-039-042.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 6d 24m 50s ago, saying: 'is there a man page on ipkg, kergoth keeps telling people how to get it to relink previously installaed packages and rather than ask him again I'd like to RTFM :)'.`
`20:48.37`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot seen bbeattie`
`20:48.38`		`bbeattie <~bbeattie@cpe-66-1-180-69.ut.sprintbbd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 19h 3m 28s ago, saying: '? befriend?'.`
`20:48.46`	`kergoth`	`ah, yeah`
`20:48.53`	`TheMasterMind1`	`dunno which one it was`
`20:49.29`	`kergoth`	`if Twiun were awake id' say to ask him, he's worked with that person before`
`20:49.30`	`treke\|laptop`	`so close`
`20:49.33`	`treke\|laptop`	`yet so far`
`20:49.37`	`kergoth`	`treke\|laptop: on what?`
`20:49.45`	`treke\|laptop`	`full feed build`
`20:49.49`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`20:49.54`	`kergoth`	`hacking on arch fun are we?`
`20:50.00`	`kergoth`	`I have an idea to fix that situation up a bit`
`20:50.05`	`kergoth`	`i'll hack on it in a few`
`20:50.10`	`kergoth`	`testing a kernel compile with the new toolchain atm`
`20:50.15`	`treke\|laptop`	`kergoth: actually its more of waiting for everything to download :)`
`20:50.18`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`20:50.19`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`20:50.58`	`treke\|home`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:52.11`	`Com[Plex]`	`hey guys,. is this new busybox thats on the testing feed fixed? I mena, - is the mknod function part of it fixed?`
`20:52.17`	`Com[Plex]`	`<so I can install fbvncserver>`
`20:52.24`	`kergoth`	`yes`
`20:52.41`	`Com[Plex]`	`sweet`
`20:54.42`	`kergoth`	`hm, i think i'll convert our nano build to current makeifle format`
`20:54.43`	`kergoth`	`wow`
`20:54.53`	`kergoth`	`packages/nano/Makefile is like 8 makefile formats back`
`20:54.56`	`kergoth`	`thats ancient`
`20:55.01`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: you remember that format?`
`20:59.51`	`TheMasterMind1`	`heh yea`
`20:59.54`	`TheMasterMind1`	`we never updated that`
`21:00.11`	`kergoth`	`old school. updating it now`
`21:00.34`	`treke\|home`	`man things where easy back then :)`
`21:00.51`	`kergoth`	`yeah, pretty simple.. but it was harder to deviate from standard methods`
`21:01.01`	`kergoth`	`and you have to have a \ at the end of every line in the build steps when you did override`
`21:01.06`	`kergoth`	`TheMasterMind1: remember forgetting a \?`
`21:01.08`	`kergoth`	`and the build would explode`
`21:01.15`	`kergoth`	`and the error wasnt at all obviuos`
`21:01.20`	`kergoth`	`and you had no idea where it ahppened`
`21:04.04`	`treke\|home`	`do people actually install some of this shit on their pdas?`
`21:04.06`	`ljp`	`heh`
`21:04.19`	`ljp`	`like what apps?`
`21:04.40`	`treke\|home`	`like gdb`
`21:04.49`	`kergoth`	`i use gdb on z regularly`
`21:04.51`	`treke\|home`	`and php`
`21:04.55`	`kergoth`	`gdb and strace are always in my minimal images`
`21:04.57`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:05.08`	`treke\|home`	`and mc`
`21:05.15`	`kergoth`	`users requested mc, i never use it`
`21:06.02`	`ljp`	`I use mc when ssh'd into it sometimes, but mostly use lxt at that time`
`21:06.27`	`kergoth`	`whats lxt again?`
`21:06.45`	`ljp`	`linux tree, an xtree thingy file manager`
`21:07.01`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`21:07.03`	`SuKoShi`	`kergoth: looks like one french guy sended his C700 for a SDRAM Upgrade.The chip works but the kernel doesn't want to know it`
`21:07.07`	`kergoth`	`we should add that to buildroot`
`21:07.11`	`kergoth`	`SuKoShi: thats not surprising`
`21:07.18`	`kergoth`	`SuKoShi: you dont subscribe to openzaurus-devel, do you?`
`21:07.19`	`SuKoShi`	`bootloader gives the details?`
`21:07.22`	`kergoth`	`SuKoShi: users are already working on it`
`21:07.23`	`kergoth`	`SuKoShi: yes`
`21:07.35`	`kergoth`	`SuKoShi: adn the c700 bootloader just hardcodes it, doesnt check for the actual amount of ram`
`21:07.39`	`kergoth`	`SuKoShi: people are working on fixing it`
`21:07.44`	`SuKoShi`	`what's openzaurus-devel?`
`21:07.47`	`kergoth`	`mailing list`
`21:07.53`	`kergoth`	`read the archives`
`21:07.57`	`SuKoShi`	`k`
`21:08.07`	`kergoth`	mkdosfs.o: In function `_llseek':
`21:08.07`	`kergoth`	mkdosfs.o(.text+0x50): undefined reference to `errno'
`21:08.12`	`kergoth`	`guess glibc 2.3.2 still sucks`
`21:08.50`	`ljp`	`hahaha errno? whats that?!`
`21:09.06`	`kergoth`	`~fishslap ljp`
`21:09.07`		`ACTION slaps ljp up side the head with a wet fish.`
`21:09.10`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`21:09.25`	`ljp`	`who needs errno, anyway`
`21:10.01`	`TheMasterMind1`	`ibot seen dariem`
`21:10.05`		`TheMasterMind1: i haven't seen 'dariem'`
`21:10.08`	`TheMasterMind1`	`hmm`
`21:10.10`	`TheMasterMind1`	`what was his nick`
`21:10.26`	`TheMasterMind1`	`anyone use any cdma/gprs/gsm wireless internet thing?`
`21:10.51`	`kergoth`	`ibot: seen darienm`
`21:10.51`		`darienm is currently on #zaurus (11h 19m 32s)`
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`21:11.09`	`_Psycho`	`bought me a 6 in 1 reader :)`
`21:11.13`	`_Psycho`	`brb =p`
`21:14.26`	`treke\|home`	`done. finally`
`21:18.16`	`kergoth`	`hey cool, using binutils cvs lets us build a kernel even with gcc3`
`21:18.20`	`kergoth`	`wonder if it actually boots though`
`21:19.02`	`treke\|home`	`kergoth: does bootmenu-dialog work?`
`21:19.17`	`kergoth`	`it used to, but not well. you add to add an inittab entry for it for each tty`
`21:19.20`	`kergoth`	`it did function`
`21:19.23`	`kergoth`	`bu ti havent touched it in ages`
`21:21.38`	`kergoth`	`damnit`
`21:21.42`	`kergoth`	`i cant work with a cat on my lap`
`21:21.44`	`kergoth`	`GO AWAY`
`21:21.48`	`Dessimat0r`	`rofl`
`21:21.52`	`Dessimat0r`	`spit on it`
`21:21.55`	`treke\|home`	`hit it`
`21:21.55`	`kergoth`	`bah`
`21:21.59`	`treke\|home`	`it will get the message`
`21:22.08`	`kergoth`	`this is my 5th glibc compile today`
`21:22.10`	`kergoth`	`:\`
`21:22.18`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: stop giving your cat cheese`
`21:22.42`	`_Psycho`	`hey kg ever did a new image ?`
`21:22.48`	`_Psycho`	`mine doesnt want to flash too big i think ;)`
`21:22.53`	`kergoth`	`no, i've been in toolchain build hell for a copule days`
`21:22.56`	`Dessimat0r`	`cheese is like the holy grail of milk for cats`
`21:23.11`	`_Psycho`	`possible that 30 megs is too big to flash ?`
`21:23.38`	`chouimat`	`Dessimat0r: I know`
`21:23.40`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:23.40`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:23.48`	`kergoth`	`thats the proper size, plus the size of the header`
`21:24.21`	`chouimat`	`Dessimat0r: or a coffee crisp`
`21:24.23`	`Dessimat0r`	`rofl`
`21:24.35`	`Dessimat0r`	`chouimat: try this`
`21:24.42`	`Dessimat0r`	`chouimat: get some ear wax`
`21:24.49`	`kergoth`	`i dotn want to hear the rest`
`21:24.51`	`Dessimat0r`	`chouimat: and get the cat to lick it off your finger`
`21:24.52`	`treke\|home`	`Harlekin: new image uploading`
`21:24.55`	`kergoth`	`~bitchslap Dessimat0r`
`21:24.56`		`ACTION beats the sh*t out of Dessimat0r`
`21:24.58`	`Dessimat0r`	`chouimat: they love it`
`21:25.00`	`chouimat`	`Dessimat0r: ewww`
`21:25.05`	`Dessimat0r`	`chouimat: really!`
`21:25.05`	`ljp`	`sicko`
`21:25.09`	`Dessimat0r`	`chouimat: rofl`
`21:26.02`	`ljp`	`thats animal abuse`
`21:26.17`	`Dessimat0r`	`cats like to lick your toes as well`
`21:26.54`	`ljp`	`just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should`
`21:26.56`	`*** kick/#openembedded [Dessimat0r!~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca] by chouimat (for being a cat abuser :))`
`21:27.06`	`kergoth`	`thanks, i was about to do that`
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`21:27.16`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: np`
`21:27.16`	`Dessimat0r`	`heh`
`21:29.44`	`Com[Plex]`	`helloooo mr randommm..`
`21:30.33`	`Com[Plex]`	`http://me.256k.net/stfu/blankstares2.jpg`
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`21:35.03`	`noidd`	`kergoth: when you undate the feed - which feed will perl appear in? stable, unstable, testing or EvilFeed[tm]`
`21:35.23`	`kergoth`	`unstable and testing`
`21:36.01`	`noidd`	`thanks`
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`21:37.33`	`treke\|home`	`ok. image is up. feed going up`
`21:37.49`	`djr\|z`	`hmm`
`21:39.26`	`mantus`	`yea`
`21:40.23`	`Harlekin`	`treke\|home: cool`
`21:41.06`	`kergoth`	`~lart people who make shitty ipks`
`21:41.42`	`mantus`	`amen to that`
`21:42.13`	`mantus`	`kergoth: what compression do the ipk's in the feed use?`
`21:42.17`	`ljp`	`what app?`
`21:42.21`	`kergoth`	`mantus: ?`
`21:42.28`	`kergoth`	`ipk is ar, not gz`
`21:42.36`	`kergoth`	`within the ipk are tar.gz files, however`
`21:42.45`	`kergoth`	`using the default compression for tar -cz`
`21:42.55`	`mantus`	`i can open some ipks with winrar, but none from the feed`
`21:43.00`	`kergoth`	`of course`
`21:43.04`	`kergoth`	`winrar doesnt open ar files`
`21:43.11`	`kergoth`	`it can open tar.gz files, which is the old ipk format`
`21:43.18`	`mantus`	`so not all ipks are ar?`
`21:43.22`	`mantus`	`oic`
`21:47.23`	`mantus`	`wow, there are just more file compression formats than i care to know about\`
`21:47.30`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:48.20`	`mantus`	`forget encryption, ill just use zoo.`
`21:48.44`	`kergoth`	`zoo?`
`21:49.03`	`mantus`	`zoo file compression`
`21:49.05`	`_Psycho`	`zoo is a old 75years old thing`
`21:49.27`	`_Psycho`	`they was probably using zoo with punch cards ;)`
`21:50.01`	`noidd`	`while true ; do`
`21:50.03`	`noidd`	`nk pull`
`21:50.07`	`noidd`	`bk pull`
`21:50.11`	`noidd`	`sleep 5`
`21:50.13`	`noidd`	`done`
`21:50.14`	`noidd`	`:-)`
`21:50.17`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:50.21`	`mantus`	`"ACZAR v2.10 for DOS - Archive Shell <ASP> Compare with SHEZ or ARCMASTER and see what you have been missing. Very easy to use, but powerful! Mouse support, SAA/GUI Interface, supports ZIP, ARJ, LZH, PAK, ARC, ZOO, SQZ, HYP, ARCE, ARC "`
`21:50.28`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:50.38`	`kergoth`	`i remember trying to find dos and windows 3.0 archivers that didnt suck`
`21:51.10`	`kergoth`	`finally, looks like the new gcc3 toolchain is working properly`
`21:51.20`	`kergoth`	`now i cna update binutils in our gcc2 one`
`21:51.42`	`_Psycho`	`good ;) build me an image, i just suck still =p hehe`
`21:52.07`	`noidd`	`hows your toolchain kergoth`
`21:52.43`	`noidd`	`that could be so misconstrued`
`21:52.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:52.58`	`Harlekin`	`treke\|home: isnt that a bit small?`
`21:53.03`	`Harlekin`	`treke\|home: with 4.7 mb`
`21:53.51`	`treke\|home`	`little small? Its 13 megs`
`21:54.42`	`treke\|home`	`hmm. guess my upload stalled :)`
`22:05.40`	`chouimat\|reading`	`kergoth: http://www.chilliwilli.co.uk/ff/ <--- rewrite the makefile with that :)`
`22:06.20`	`mickeyl`	`zaurus.com is down... anyone know a mirror of the embedix patches to the kernel?`
`22:11.08`	`kergoth`	`not offhand`
`22:11.28`	`mickeyl`	`ok, then lets hope that it gets back soon.`
`22:11.40`	`mantus`	`google`
`22:12.01`	`ljp`	`maybe I should put that stuff at opie.us once that does come back up`
`22:12.24`	`mickeyl`	`yeah, sounds good.`
`22:12.59`	`Dessimat0r`	`I managed to cause a freeze up in #linux :D I love it when I say sometihng and nobody posts for ages`
`22:13.04`	`Dessimat0r`	`*something`
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`22:18.57`	`kergoth`	`hey jmhodges`
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`22:30.05`	`jmhodges`	`heya kergoth`
`23:05.11`	`hugh`	`So have folks seen problems with ext2 SD mounts in OS-3.2?`
`23:05.23`	`kergoth`	`nope`
`23:05.30`	`kergoth`	`unless you mean where it accidentally mounts as vfat`
`23:05.38`	`kergoth`	`but thats due to vfat remnants on the card in question, not a oz bug`
`23:05.39`	`hugh`	`Why do I allways find the dam land mines!`
`23:05.56`	`kergoth`	`i can work around it of course, by supplying a /etc/filesystem that tries to mount ext2 before vfat`
`23:06.00`	`kergoth`	`and thats on the todo`
`23:06.26`	`hugh`	`No, I went through the VFAT thing a coule of weeks ago. Let me go cut and paste the short version of my woes.`
`23:06.33`	`kergoth`	`k`
`23:06.44`	`hugh`	`So I backed up all my Z data on to the SD, took it out, installed 3.2, put the SD in, it mounted just fine then complained that I was out of space on my 4 TERABYTE SD, now my SD (and data) is trash...`
`23:07.02`	`kergoth`	`corruption`
`23:07.03`	`hugh`	`So now fsck does not even work.`
`23:07.06`	`kergoth`	`dont remove the card without ejecting it`
`23:07.12`	`kergoth`	`what happens if you try to fsck the card?`
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`23:14.04`	`treke\|home`	`ok. so it wasnt a f*k inittab :)`
`23:15.53`	`hugh`	`Is there is /proc entry for the hardware stats on the SD (/dev/mmcda) device? Now my Z claims there is _no_ SD installed... I think I have gremlins!`
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`23:17.18`	`kolla`	`the battery time on the SL-5600, is it any longer than on SL-5500?`
`23:17.41`	`hugh`	`Should be, twice the power in the battery and maybe the hardware uses less power.`
`23:17.54`	`Dessimat0r`	`mmm`
`23:17.55`	`kolla`	`the battery is bigger, but the CPU is different.. so what is the real difference?`
`23:18.36`	`kolla`	`400MHz Xscale drains less power than the 206MHz SA1110?`
`23:21.34`	`hugh`	`Specs I saw a while ago said it burns a bit less, IIRC, but then again the specs said it would be twice the CPU...`
`23:22.29`	`kolla`	`:)`
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`23:23.03`	`kolla`	`load the module`
`23:23.16`	`kolla`	`btw.. shouldnt that be 4 and not 1?`
`23:23.31`	`kolla`	`oh.. sorry.. mmcda`
`23:23.31`	`kolla`	`I am tired`
`23:23.33`	`kolla`	`load the module`
`23:23.48`	`ivan`	`yeah i'll buy whatever handheld when it's < $200`
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`23:24.06`	`hugh`	`Ah, the rot is deeper then I thought. Why on earth is something as impoartant as the mmc driver a mod... Oh right. Dam thing has to be.`
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`23:24.44`	`mithro`	`hey everyone`
`23:24.51`	`mithro`	`ibot, seen kergoth`
`23:24.56`		`kergoth is currently on #opie (10m 55s) #uclibc (10m 55s) #picogui (10m 55s) #tuxscreen (10m 55s) #zaurus (10m 55s) #elinux (10m 55s) #openembedded (10m 55s) #handhelds.org (10m 55s) #openzaurus (10m 55s)`
`23:24.57`	`_Psycho`	`heya mithro`
`23:25.19`	`mithro`	`hey _Psycho`
`23:25.34`	`mithro`	`kergoth: i got oz to work on my sl-c700 mostly`
`23:27.24`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: I have a crack for ADS (Arm Development System :)`
`23:27.43`	`Dessimat0r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:28.12`	`chouimat`	`Dessimat0r: :P`
`23:28.17`	`hugh`	`Humm, a reboot failed for me. OZ-3.2 and I don't get along, thats the only explanation...`
`23:39.06`	`mithro`	`the only problem i have found with oz on the sl-c700 so far is that it doesn't want to resume after a suspend :(`
`23:39.40`	`hugh`	`Kind of a big problem, but likely solvable. Anyone got it going on the 5600 yet?`
`23:39.42`	`_Psycho`	`indeed`
`23:39.48`	`_Psycho`	`same prob here mith`
`23:39.54`	`mithro`	`yeah highly likley to be solvable`
`23:39.59`	`mithro`	`just wondering where to start...`
`23:40.05`	`mithro`	`i'm thinking apmd`
`23:40.22`	`_Psycho`	`you building it from the buildroot ?`
`23:40.27`	`mithro`	`yeah`
`23:40.34`	`_Psycho`	`im trying to get an image with opie`
`23:40.38`	`_Psycho`	`but its too big and fail :)`
`23:40.46`	`mithro`	`where are you getting the image from?`
`23:40.53`	`_Psycho`	`ibot bk oz`
`23:40.54`		`oz bk is, like, bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper.`
`23:41.43`	`mithro`	`i had to hack the Makefile because they recently changed from "TARGET_ZAURUS_C700" to "TARGET_ZAURUS_CORGI"`
`23:41.43`	`_Psycho`	`opie work in theory`
`23:41.48`	`_Psycho`	`kergoth had it up from there`
`23:41.50`	`mithro`	`yeah opie works fine`
`23:41.59`	`mithro`	`and there is SOOOOOO much space free`
`23:42.04`	`_Psycho`	`i usually just bk pull :) the update`
`23:42.38`	`mithro`	`yeah but at last night it wasn't updated`
`23:42.56`	`_Psycho`	`wel getting changeset everyday mostly`
`23:43.52`	`mithro`	`yeah`
`23:44.18`	`mithro`	`hrm i tried removing all the apm scripts but that didn't work..`
`23:44.44`	`mithro`	`another thing it could be some type of keymap problem??`
`23:44.59`	`_Psycho`	`kergoth is rewriting all the keyboard driver`
`23:45.05`	`_Psycho`	`plan to at least`
`23:45.07`	`_Psycho`	`its in the todo`
`23:45.12`	`_Psycho`	`ibot oz todo`
`23:45.14`		`oz todo is, like, http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO`
`23:46.16`	`mithro`	`it appeared more to me like it could be fixed with a better keymap`
`23:46.30`	`_Psycho`	`well maybe`
`23:46.36`	`ljp`	`all your keyboard driver are belong to us`
`23:48.13`	`mithro`	`going to try and install keypebble and see is that can help out at all..`
`23:53.31`	`mithro`	`the opie pim stuff kicks sharp's pim stuff`
`23:53.39`	`ljp`	`of course`
`23:53.55`	`mithro`	`and i've suppose to have left like 5 minutes ago...`
`23:54.05`	`mithro`	`see ya all...`
`23:54.11`	`ljp`	`bye`
`23:54.14`	`chouimat\|tv`	`ljp: yup but calendar still ssucks whebn you compare it to datebook5`
`23:54.26`	`mithro`	`datebook5?`
`23:54.39`	`chouimat\|tv`	`mithro: palm app`
`23:54.58`	`mithro`	`ahh...`
`23:55.11`	`mithro`	`i found the pocketpc calender quite nice as well...`
`23:56.47`	`kergoth`	`mithro: better keymap isnt quite sufficient, due to the fact that certain keys cant be remapped with a kernel keymap due to flawed design`
`23:56.58`	`kergoth`	`mithro: namely, the Fn key and related Z specific modifiers`
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`23:59.46`	`mithro`	`kergoth: ahh okay`
`23:59.55`	`mithro`	`i did start working on a kernel keymap`

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