| 00:07.07 | hcarty | I'm trying to setup buildroot on another computer (my desktop, faster cpu, bigger hd), but when I type 'bk -r co -q' per the website, it tells me 'bk:Cannot find package root' |
| 00:07.25 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:07.29 | kergoth | you have to be in the buildroot dir |
| 00:07.31 | kergoth | not the dir above it |
| 00:07.37 | kergoth | cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q |
| 00:07.47 | hcarty | Ah, thanks |
| 00:08.18 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:08.22 | hcarty | What def-config should I use to make a more or less normal build |
| 00:08.27 | kergoth | collie-opie |
| 00:08.31 | hcarty | k |
| 00:08.52 | _Psycho | stupid sandisk reader |
| 00:13.40 | treke | kergoth: just curious, made any progress on that radio card? |
| 00:13.55 | kergoth | heh, never signed the nda to get the specs to complete it |
| 00:14.02 | treke | cool |
| 00:14.04 | kergoth | forgot about it |
| 00:14.29 | treke | ndas suck anyways :) |
| 00:14.36 | _Psycho | ill brb |
| 00:14.36 | kergoth | true that |
| 00:17.22 | treke | man kde apps take for freaking ever to load |
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| 00:18.23 | Neo|Work | treke: do you run kde? |
| 00:18.31 | treke | nope |
| 00:18.32 | Neo|Work | if not, it like starts the whole shit up when you boot. :) |
| 00:18.34 | treke | thats why :) |
| 00:18.47 | Neo|Work | at least that's better than gnome apps which just refuse to run |
| 00:19.04 | treke | hehe |
| 00:19.47 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 00:33.50 | kenb | ? |
| 00:34.11 | kenb | I use evolution daily for work email. |
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| 00:37.42 | treke | hrm. kitchensync doesnt like me |
| 00:38.53 | ljp | maybe you were mean to it |
| 00:39.18 | treke | no more so than I am to you |
| 00:40.53 | ljp | ahhh. then it really doesnt like you, cause the kitchensyn is more sensitive than me |
| 00:41.41 | treke | you are sensitive to. only when you are drunk off your gourd though |
| 00:41.47 | treke | s/are/arent |
| 00:41.55 | treke | which isnt often |
| 00:42.00 | ljp | :) |
| 00:42.08 | ljp | that reminds me! more rum! |
| 00:42.57 | ljp | mix it with coffee so I can stay up and get more drunk |
| 00:48.37 | ljp | well, I am waiting! |
| 00:50.48 | kergoth | 10 more minutes |
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| 00:56.18 | ljp | kergoth: strip naked and run around yelling, and you'll soon find out |
| 00:56.31 | kergoth | hmm, true |
| 00:58.14 | _Psycho | i had a question |
| 00:58.30 | _Psycho | i make my make menuconfig but opie i cant never select |
| 00:58.43 | _Psycho | cant find the dependensy he want ;) |
| 00:58.46 | _Psycho | any suggestion? |
| 01:02.10 | _Psycho | ipkg doesnt find postinst anymore, its the 2.5.7 something struct change ? |
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| 01:08.18 | _Psycho | doh got it |
| 01:16.08 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 01:22.31 | ljp | I need to get muthahfukin drunk |
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| 01:39.33 | kergoth`bbl | ljp: good plan. |
| 01:40.19 | greear | _Psycho: I am seeing the same problem while trying to install busybox |
| 01:41.06 | kergoth`bbl | what problem? |
| 01:41.50 | greear | cat /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/postinst > /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/ipkg-0.99.69-1/CONTROL/postinst |
| 01:41.50 | greear | cat: /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/postinst: No such file or directory |
| 01:42.00 | greear | pulling latest build-root now... |
| 01:42.03 | _Psycho | ipkg-utils i think? |
| 01:42.10 | _Psycho | yeah |
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| 01:42.20 | _Psycho | anyway i skipped it, building opie now its quite long |
| 01:42.34 | _Psycho | almost over my full build |
| 01:42.36 | _Psycho | bbl |
| 01:44.09 | kergoth`bbl | greear, _Psycho: when a package changes, you must wipe and rebuild. |
| 01:44.30 | kergoth`bbl | greear, _Psycho: make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg-x86 packages/ipkg packages/ipkg-utils" mrproper; make |
| 01:45.04 | greear | hrm, seems that could be automated... |
| 01:45.17 | kergoth`bbl | yes, but its not worth fucking with |
| 01:45.22 | kergoth`bbl | we're designing a completely new system |
| 01:45.28 | greear | cool |
| 01:45.29 | kergoth`bbl | this is just to tide us over until its fully implemented |
| 01:45.46 | ljp | again? |
| 01:45.50 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 01:46.03 | ljp | new build system |
| 01:46.06 | kergoth | i'm talking about the OE infrastructure, not some new buildroot incarnation |
| 01:46.12 | greear | did you settle on an openssh solution? |
| 01:46.17 | kergoth | its nearly functional, thanks to schurig's work |
| 01:46.20 | kergoth | openssh solution? |
| 01:46.41 | kergoth | there's nothing wrong with our openssh |
| 01:46.47 | greear | ie to upgrade to 9.7 or whatever? |
| 01:46.59 | kergoth | uh, you mean openssl |
| 01:47.02 | kergoth | and there is no choice |
| 01:47.05 | kergoth | we're moving to 0.9.7 |
| 01:47.10 | kergoth | thats been the plan for 4 months |
| 01:47.13 | kergoth | its not a big deal |
| 01:47.30 | treke|ho1e | its just a matter of someone updating buildroot |
| 01:47.38 | greear | right..I have the makefile changes already, if you want them |
| 01:47.51 | treke|ho1e | greear: cool you got it to build? |
| 01:47.53 | kergoth | greear: for libssl0.9.7? |
| 01:47.56 | kergoth | feel free to send it over |
| 01:48.21 | kenb | kergoth: there is a choice. |
| 01:48.23 | greear | schurig helped me with it I believe...but had to turn on some patented algoritms to make it build... |
| 01:48.28 | kenb | you can use debian's replacement for openssl |
| 01:48.33 | kergoth | what? |
| 01:48.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:48.53 | kenb | they have a 100% free thing that'll handle what openssh needs. |
| 01:49.01 | kergoth | whats that? |
| 01:49.16 | treke|ho1e | its isnt gnutls is it? |
| 01:49.17 | kergoth | wasnt aware of that |
| 01:49.23 | kenb | yes. |
| 01:49.26 | kenb | gnutls |
| 01:49.30 | kergoth | eh |
| 01:49.32 | kenb | and libgnutls |
| 01:49.39 | kenb | sounds kinda sick. |
| 01:50.00 | kenb | nut, tls, testicles... |
| 01:50.19 | treke|ho1e | its gpl isnt it? |
| 01:50.47 | kergoth | well somebody add it to buildroot, we can fuck around with it |
| 01:50.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:51.01 | treke|ho1e | ah good. its lgpl |
| 01:51.06 | kenb | treke: lgpl |
| 01:51.10 | kergoth | greear: kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 01:51.40 | greear | what format do you like (I have only used export -tpatch so far) |
| 01:52.37 | kergoth | if you have a changeset,.. bk send -r[changeset #] kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 01:52.49 | greear | cool :) |
| 01:53.17 | treke|ho1e | hm. that could be handy |
| 01:54.30 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: bk send/receive retains changeset comments |
| 01:54.46 | kergoth | so it shows that greear did the work, and his original comments |
| 01:58.01 | greear | so, I had to merge, and now have two change-sets...any way to send them both together, or should I just send one at a time? |
| 01:58.43 | kergoth | not sure. try -r#,# |
| 01:59.08 | greear | heh, ok..if you get something really strange in the mail, don't take it :) |
| 01:59.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:59.31 | kergoth | k |
| 01:59.58 | kergoth | and glibc compile #9 is chugging away.. |
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| 02:09.57 | greear | kergoth: I made mrproper like you suggested, and still get this error: cat /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/postinst > /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/ipkg-0.99.69-2/CONTROL/postinst |
| 02:09.57 | greear | cat: /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/postinst: No such file or directory |
| 02:14.37 | kergoth | you didnt bk -r co -q after bk pull'ing. |
| 02:15.06 | greear | you have to do that each time you pull? |
| 02:15.12 | kergoth | yes. |
| 02:15.29 | kergoth | technically theres a bk option to make it so you dont have to |
| 02:15.31 | kergoth | in the config for the repos |
| 02:15.41 | TCMAN | why everyone uses bk now, why not cvs or svn ? |
| 02:15.42 | kergoth | but i dont know it offhand, so havent enabled it |
| 02:15.44 | greear | what does that command do? |
| 02:15.48 | kergoth | TCMAN: because cvs is fucking worthless |
| 02:15.52 | kergoth | greear: it checks files out of the local repos |
| 02:15.58 | kergoth | greear: functionally the same as cvs co |
| 02:16.15 | kergoth | differeence is, with bk your local dir is the repos, with cvs the remote site is the repos |
| 02:16.20 | greear | ahh, I still had to bk edit to make things writable... |
| 02:16.30 | kergoth | or bk -r edit -q instead of bk -r co -q |
| 02:16.42 | kergoth | edit checks the file out automatically |
| 02:16.45 | kergoth | bk -r = recurse |
| 02:16.48 | kergoth | -q = quiet |
| 02:17.10 | kergoth | TCMAN: and svn was buggy as hell at the time we started working on this |
| 02:17.33 | greear | think I need to do another mrproper now? |
| 02:18.14 | kergoth | nope |
| 02:18.58 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 02:19.08 | greear | still failed...I'll mrproper and try again |
| 02:19.10 | TCMAN | kergoth: i just have moral problems with bk |
| 02:19.49 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: I dont see the usbd patch anywhere in buildroot. Is it part of the embedix patch? |
| 02:20.07 | greear | in the big picture of the world, moral problems with bk has got to be pretty far down the list though :) |
| 02:20.14 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: yes |
| 02:20.28 | treke|ho1e | bleh :) |
| 02:20.33 | kergoth | TCMAN: yyou have moral problems with a company trying to make money? |
| 02:20.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:20.44 | ljp | ya |
| 02:20.46 | ljp | i do |
| 02:20.48 | kergoth | nevermind, i dont want to get into this discussion |
| 02:20.53 | ljp | everything should be free, man |
| 02:21.01 | TCMAN | kergoth: they shouldnt have give it away first |
| 02:21.02 | kergoth | cheapasses |
| 02:21.03 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: no. just Larry McVoy :) |
| 02:21.14 | kergoth | TCMAN: what? |
| 02:21.40 | kergoth | I prefer open source software |
| 02:21.46 | kergoth | but i'll use whatever tool fits my needs. |
| 02:21.47 | greear | how much open-source have you bought? |
| 02:21.56 | treke|ho1e | greear: a fair bit |
| 02:22.19 | greear | only thing I've even seen for sale is something like RedHat... |
| 02:23.20 | treke|ho1e | hehe. I've payed for more than my share of redhats. But there have been other apps. |
| 02:23.30 | treke|ho1e | I cant think of the names of most of them |
| 02:23.38 | greear | heh, can you think of any? |
| 02:23.55 | ljp | last linux I payed for was redhat 5.0, what a rip off that was |
| 02:24.04 | ljp | paid |
| 02:24.07 | treke|ho1e | ljp: yeah i cant stand redhat :) |
| 02:24.08 | greear | welcome to the 90's ljp! |
| 02:24.26 | ljp | ya and 5.0 really suckored |
| 02:24.47 | ljp | I'm happy with my gentoo |
| 02:25.17 | greear | kergoth: still no luck on the ipkg/postinst, the file just doesn't seem to exist. |
| 02:25.37 | kergoth | greear: hmm, hold on |
| 02:25.59 | ljp | hmmm, I really did want to write some code this evening |
| 02:26.35 | greear | that's a donation...I don't consider it to be the same thing. |
| 02:27.13 | greear | kergoth: sent the bk patches, yell if they are incoherent. |
| 02:27.15 | ljp | I am hungry |
| 02:27.36 | ljp | wheres that waitress?? |
| 02:27.55 | ljp | that bitch is ignoring me |
| 02:30.47 | ljp | I need a Rosie the Robot like the jetsons |
| 02:31.41 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:32.00 | ljp | I made this drink kinda strong |
| 02:32.28 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: ah this was written by lineo |
| 02:32.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:33.21 | ljp | lineo.... |
| 02:33.24 | treke|ho1e | see I'm not a completly helpless gimp :) |
| 02:33.37 | treke|ho1e | well yes I am, but thats another story |
| 02:34.00 | ljp | lineo has no honor |
| 02:34.26 | treke|ho1e | ooh this is gonna be a fun one for buildroot |
| 02:34.46 | ljp | what shoudl I work on.. op1 video skins? or...? |
| 02:34.55 | treke|ho1e | ljp: opiemailit |
| 02:35.05 | ljp | I'm stuck on mailit |
| 02:35.13 | ljp | my md3 hash dont work |
| 02:35.21 | treke|ho1e | so fix it |
| 02:35.27 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:35.32 | ljp | dont know how |
| 02:35.41 | ljp | dont know wtf is wrong |
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| 02:35.42 | kergoth | md3? |
| 02:35.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:35.45 | krezel | :) |
| 02:35.48 | ljp | err md5 |
| 02:35.48 | treke|ho1e | you are obviously working from a mistaken assumption that we care |
| 02:35.51 | treke|ho1e | fix it. |
| 02:35.58 | krezel | I'm here, I'm there, I'm everywhere! |
| 02:36.03 | ljp | 3, 5... whatever |
| 02:36.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:36.34 | ljp | I get a different sum from the openssl than md5sum on the same string |
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| 02:37.02 | treke|ho1e | ljp: one second |
| 02:37.22 | kergoth | _Psycho, greear: bk pull |
| 02:37.30 | ljp | one onethousand |
| 02:37.38 | ljp | two onethousand |
| 02:37.44 | ljp | three onethousand |
| 02:37.53 | ljp | too slow |
| 02:38.24 | ljp | either the md5 sum is wrong or my apop server is lameo |
| 02:40.23 | treke|ho1e | ljp: http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/co.php/md5.c?rt=avp&r=1.3&p=1 |
| 02:40.33 | kenb | just gw |
| 02:40.45 | treke|ho1e | http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/co.php/md5.h?rt=avp&r=1.3&p=1 |
| 02:41.43 | ljp | oh man, I dont wanna do it all myself |
| 02:42.07 | kergoth | ehh |
| 02:42.09 | kergoth | slacker |
| 02:42.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:42.12 | ljp | openssl should be able to handle it in a few lines |
| 02:42.21 | ljp | yup.. slacker coder |
| 02:42.25 | treke|ho1e | ljp: that version has been tested |
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| 02:43.18 | mchang | TheMasterMind1: hey ... |
| 02:43.49 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: so if I force applying the patch with patcher I can fuck with it to make it work, right? |
| 02:44.24 | ljp | I need boobies! not md5 sums! |
| 02:44.26 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: yep. force it, fix the rejects, and patcher -r |
| 02:44.29 | treke|ho1e | cool |
| 02:44.30 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: its seet |
| 02:44.32 | kergoth | sweet rather |
| 02:44.43 | treke|ho1e | all the config stuff conflicts :) |
| 02:44.48 | kergoth | figured |
| 02:44.50 | kergoth | thats easy enough though |
| 02:44.53 | treke|ho1e | yup |
| 02:48.49 | greear | kergoth: no luck...even after mrproper |
| 02:49.03 | kergoth | greear: uhh |
| 02:49.06 | kergoth | greear: packages/ipkg/postinst exists. |
| 02:49.12 | greear | diff problem though....lemme look... |
| 02:49.14 | kergoth | greear: bk co packages/ipkg/postinst |
| 02:49.17 | kergoth | bleh |
| 02:49.37 | greear | install -m 0644 /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/ /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/output/ipkg.conf |
| 02:49.38 | greear | install: `/home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/packages/ipkg/' is a directory |
| 02:50.07 | kergoth | greear: make oldconfig |
| 02:50.08 | kergoth | greear: make |
| 02:50.12 | kergoth | greear: i just renamed config symbols |
| 02:50.16 | kergoth | which affects things |
| 02:51.33 | chouimat | back |
| 02:51.41 | greear | think it worked! |
| 02:52.26 | chouimat | kergoth: BURP |
| 02:53.35 | kergoth | okay, pushed greear's changeset for ssl, and changed irssi and openssh to depend on libssl0.9.7 instead of libssl0.9.6. |
| 02:54.04 | chouimat | kergoth: any nnews? |
| 02:54.24 | kergoth | chouimat: ipkg checks Architecture now, doesnt install packages that wont work with the architecture you're on |
| 02:54.30 | kergoth | chouimat: very cool |
| 02:54.52 | kergoth | jamey never answered my question today |
| 02:55.01 | treke|ho1e | jamey has you on ignore |
| 02:55.01 | kergoth | i asked if you installed a package and it was strongarm on your xscale device |
| 02:55.07 | kergoth | and then a xscale package ends up in the feed |
| 02:55.14 | kergoth | will ipkg upgrade install the one with the higher priority arch |
| 02:55.17 | kergoth | even if the versions are the same |
| 02:55.56 | chouimat | kergoth: ok ... question : Do I go see my father this weekend or I saty here because a nice 18 yearsss old chick think I'm a very nice guy? |
| 02:56.09 | kergoth | the latter |
| 02:56.10 | kenb | heh |
| 02:56.17 | treke|ho1e | the former |
| 02:56.43 | chouimat | guys little problem here I'm 11 years older than her :) |
| 02:56.48 | kenb | so? |
| 02:56.50 | kergoth | and? |
| 02:56.52 | treke|ho1e | so where is the little part? |
| 02:56.54 | treke|ho1e | in your pants? |
| 02:56.54 | kenb | My last GF was 10 years older than me |
| 02:57.01 | kenb | hahah |
| 02:57.05 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:57.28 | kenb | silence... |
| 02:57.32 | kenb | ;) |
| 02:57.35 | treke|ho1e | thank you very much. I'm here every thursday |
| 02:57.49 | chouimat | ok she will came here latter tonight so ... :) |
| 03:03.21 | chouimat | ok can't go see my father ... |
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| 03:13.33 | ljp | chouimat: get it while you can |
| 03:13.41 | kergoth | ljp: bitches owe you money eh :) |
| 03:13.47 | kergoth | nice commit messages |
| 03:14.48 | ljp | ya, and they never sent a real paper contract, only an inital sum of $$ |
| 03:14.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:14.59 | kergoth | what bullshit |
| 03:15.35 | ljp | I dont think I'll ever see that 2 grand they owe me |
| 03:15.56 | kergoth | thats fucked up. tried emailing metroworks? |
| 03:16.29 | ljp | tried emailing Brent. might try metrowerks. Tim was my go between |
| 03:16.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:17.43 | ljp | they couldnt see that the audio driver had/s issues with changing sampling rates |
| 03:18.16 | ljp | all trolltechs zaurus audio stuff does resampling |
| 03:18.54 | kenb | ljp: who owes you money? |
| 03:19.10 | ljp | crapeo |
| 03:19.40 | kenb | lineo? |
| 03:19.47 | ljp | :) |
| 03:20.06 | ljp | ya, do you work for them? |
| 03:20.10 | kenb | nope. |
| 03:20.16 | ljp | good |
| 03:20.17 | kenb | they don't exist anymore, AFAIK |
| 03:20.31 | ljp | I knwo. metrowerks ate them |
| 03:20.39 | kergoth | chomp chomp |
| 03:20.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:21.14 | kergoth | bored, waiting for yet another glibc compile |
| 03:21.17 | kenb | ah |
| 03:21.21 | kergoth | this is 9 or 10, i forget which |
| 03:21.37 | kenb | what's next on the OE menu? |
| 03:21.42 | kenb | 10. you said 9 awhile ago |
| 03:21.48 | kergoth | yeah thats right |
| 03:21.56 | kergoth | lots of stuff.. now that i'm using the ipkg arch field.. |
| 03:22.05 | kenb | ah |
| 03:22.05 | kergoth | busybox needs to be switch to using update-alternatives for all its applets |
| 03:22.08 | kergoth | kernel stuff |
| 03:22.17 | kergoth | qt/e kernel keymap patch i need to write again since i lost it |
| 03:22.22 | kenb | heh |
| 03:22.22 | kergoth | c700/b500 kernel keymap needs writing |
| 03:22.29 | kenb | and SD support for 2.4.17 :) |
| 03:22.29 | kergoth | opie tweaks for 640x480 |
| 03:22.30 | kergoth | prelinking |
| 03:22.32 | ljp | ooo uriah heep |
| 03:22.33 | kergoth | yep, the sd wrapper |
| 03:22.42 | chouimat | ljp: Gypsy |
| 03:22.43 | kenb | will you be able to wrap it ? |
| 03:22.53 | kergoth | kenb: yes, though it may give a performance penalty |
| 03:23.01 | kergoth | kenb: discussed it with erik andersen (of uclibc/busybox fame) |
| 03:23.11 | kenb | ah |
| 03:23.18 | treke|ho1e | is erik andersen an asshole? |
| 03:23.30 | kergoth | nope |
| 03:23.56 | kergoth | #elinux is a good embedded linux chan on this network |
| 03:24.00 | kergoth | its like oe only linux specific |
| 03:24.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:24.23 | treke|ho1e | must be different people |
| 03:24.56 | chouimat | One difference between a man and a machine is that a machine is quiet when well oiled. |
| 03:24.59 | treke|ho1e | darn. that didnt work |
| 03:25.08 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: whatcha workin on? |
| 03:25.11 | TheMasterMind1 | how goes it |
| 03:25.13 | kergoth | usbd still? |
| 03:25.14 | treke|ho1e | usbd support |
| 03:25.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hey |
| 03:25.28 | kenb | kergoth: i backed out to 2.4.20 |
| 03:25.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we now have libssl 0.9.7 and openssh 3.6.1p1 |
| 03:25.34 | kenb | that 2.4.21-pre5 is evil. |
| 03:25.35 | treke|ho1e | only spent about 20 minutes on it. Not sure if I'm using the right patch :) |
| 03:25.36 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:25.40 | kenb | locks up hard on me. |
| 03:25.43 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice |
| 03:25.53 | kenb | and another guy.. it totally corrupted his raid1 ext3 array |
| 03:25.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we also now make use of ipkg's architecture field |
| 03:26.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: across just about all of our packages |
| 03:26.18 | treke|ho1e | pre5 panic like a mofo on my box |
| 03:26.29 | ljp | check this out http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm |
| 03:26.38 | kergoth | i'm on 2.4.20-ck4 + usbnet from 2.4.21-pre5 |
| 03:26.42 | kergoth | works great |
| 03:27.02 | kenb | I'll probably just copy usdnet.c out from 2.4.21-pre5 |
| 03:27.05 | kergoth | cept for the box hanging for 30 seconds occasionaly, but that happens with every kernel |
| 03:27.08 | kergoth | kenb: yep, thats what i did |
| 03:27.13 | chouimat | ljp: I never tought that uriah heap was good ... ok I will steal my uncles LP :) |
| 03:27.16 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: fucking amd :) |
| 03:27.21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:27.27 | ljp | ya, they are ok |
| 03:27.27 | kergoth | its driving me nuts |
| 03:27.36 | treke|ho1e | mine does it every time I do a kernel build |
| 03:27.41 | treke|ho1e | while extracting the kernel |
| 03:27.52 | kenb | 30 second lockups sound bad. |
| 03:27.57 | kergoth | mine does it whenever i copy files to my cf card |
| 03:27.58 | chouimat | ljp: I think I will spend my weekend on kazaa :) |
| 03:27.59 | kergoth | every fucking time |
| 03:28.01 | kergoth | constantly |
| 03:28.10 | ljp | VIA + AMD = crappy hardware |
| 03:28.15 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: I dont have a cf reader but it would make sense |
| 03:28.16 | kenb | ah |
| 03:28.20 | treke|ho1e | ljp: this is AMD+AMD |
| 03:28.24 | treke|ho1e | no via in the machine |
| 03:28.42 | kergoth | i have a via chipset in here |
| 03:28.51 | treke|ho1e | that and my onboard ethernet sucks ass |
| 03:28.55 | kergoth | via686 or whatever with the via8233 |
| 03:29.19 | ljp | via is know to have very bad hardware for pro audio |
| 03:29.21 | treke|ho1e | this is an AMD 762 with the 768 |
| 03:29.33 | treke|ho1e | via is known to have bad hardware for computers |
| 03:30.51 | ljp | hehe |
| 03:31.07 | kenb | how do I create a socket file? |
| 03:31.10 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: ah I think see the problem |
| 03:31.11 | kenb | mknod? |
| 03:31.19 | ljp | recording with via hardware: 'clickety... pop.. click..." |
| 03:31.20 | kergoth | kenb: ? |
| 03:31.28 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: the patch might be for the host driver |
| 03:31.44 | kergoth | heh, thatd be a prob alright |
| 03:32.08 | treke|ho1e | well i didnt fuck with the root of the archive that has all kinds of source in it |
| 03:32.39 | treke|ho1e | which is apparently the device driver |
| 03:33.13 | treke|ho1e | ~kill lineo |
| 03:33.15 | | ACTION slits lineo's throat |
| 03:33.41 | treke|ho1e | 5 executables, "ARCH", "BUILD", "DOIT", "TGZ", and "TGZ-EXPORT" int he directory :) |
| 03:33.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:33.55 | kergoth | yeah, thats their stupid ass buildsystem alright |
| 03:34.00 | kergoth | i remember looking at that shit |
| 03:35.00 | ljp | kergoth: dont add opierec to the build just yet, please |
| 03:35.10 | kergoth | i wont |
| 03:35.21 | chouimat | http://www.cafeshops.com/thewhitehouse.3923973 <--- show your patriotism |
| 03:35.29 | ljp | theres a few things I want to change |
| 03:35.45 | treke|ho1e | ~lart mozilla |
| 03:36.00 | treke|ho1e | why the fuck does it insist on treating half the urls I enter as search requests |
| 03:36.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:36.18 | kergoth | use phoenix |
| 03:36.19 | kergoth | its spiffy |
| 03:36.47 | treke|ho1e | maybe one of these days phoenix will appae in debian |
| 03:37.44 | kergoth | that would be cool |
| 03:41.29 | ljp | wow, yer leet! |
| 03:42.44 | _Psycho | kergoth the mplayer for opie was building for you ? |
| 03:42.54 | kergoth | mplayer is a commandline app |
| 03:42.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:42.59 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 03:43.00 | kergoth | i havent built mplayer in quite some time |
| 03:43.09 | _Psycho | ok |
| 03:43.30 | _Psycho | falled assleep just woke up was trying to do some working image before tomorow :) |
| 03:44.36 | ljp | chouimat: find some Diana Krall, if you like Jazz |
| 03:45.02 | chouimat | ljp: I just nneed to ask my father |
| 03:45.19 | chouimat | ljp: I'm listening to Rainbow Demon (the Vintersorg Version) |
| 03:46.30 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: you know if I need to pull something from their CVS to compile this stuff? |
| 03:46.59 | kergoth | not afaik |
| 03:47.25 | treke|ho1e | hrm. Its looking for a nonexistant Rules.make :) |
| 03:47.34 | kergoth | probably needs rules from kbuild |
| 03:47.36 | kergoth | kernel buildsystem |
| 03:47.42 | treke|ho1e | ah. kbuild |
| 03:47.45 | chouimat | ljp: accept dcc? |
| 03:47.57 | kergoth | could try swiping Rules.make form a kernel build dir |
| 03:48.07 | ljp | hmm, try it.. |
| 03:48.19 | ljp | on a slowdem now |
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| 03:48.42 | chouimat | ljp: ok five minutes need to rip the son |
| 03:49.07 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: ah. I bet it's expecting to be tossed into a kernel tree |
| 03:49.17 | kergoth | sounds like it |
| 03:49.43 | kergoth | win 16 |
| 03:49.46 | kergoth | damn / |
| 03:50.54 | ljp | ? |
| 03:51.17 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.20 | treke|ho1e | get fewer windows |
| 03:51.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:51.24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:51.28 | kergoth | 16 is #offtopic on oftc |
| 03:51.33 | kergoth | 15 is #kernelnewbies on oftc |
| 03:51.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:51.42 | ljp | ohh, I thought you meant win16, as opposed to win32 ;) |
| 03:51.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:52.05 | chouimat | kergoth: #17 is Idesepeartlyneedtogetlaid? |
| 03:52.22 | kergoth | heh, there is no 17 :) |
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| 03:54.00 | ljp | I bet RIAA would like to tack on a law saying filesharing is terrorism |
| 03:55.15 | mantus | ljp: well, they were trying to get a law passed making it legal for them to DOS anyone they suspected of having pirated music |
| 03:55.48 | _Psycho | hmmm finished to compile stuff, i do make image and i get an error, i did one earlier was wroking fine. ipkg_conf_oarse_file failed to open output/ipkg.conf, suggestion ? |
| 03:55.53 | nikki | kergoth? |
| 03:56.03 | kergoth | _Psycho: make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean; make |
| 03:56.12 | kergoth | _Psycho:oh, make oldconfig first |
| 03:56.20 | kergoth | nikki? |
| 03:56.57 | nikki | where can i find info on the z hardware? how about the on-the-fly rotation of opie? someone is asking me... |
| 03:56.59 | _Psycho | i try the ipkg clean |
| 03:57.26 | mantus | nikki: sharpusa.com has some info on the z hardware |
| 03:57.37 | nikki | thanks mantus |
| 03:57.44 | kergoth | nikki: basic z hardware specs are publically available. more detailed info than that you'd have to get under NDA |
| 03:57.48 | _Psycho | cool thanks, working |
| 03:57.50 | kergoth | nikki: what about on the fly rotation? |
| 03:58.10 | kergoth | _Psycho: np. i renamed some config tokens.. takes an oldconfig to see the change |
| 03:58.22 | _Psycho | should i use your kernel that i flashed today and just put the image ? |
| 03:58.24 | kergoth | hey i think i got our gcc-2.95-arm building |
| 03:58.40 | kergoth | i'll have to build a gcc ipk |
| 03:58.42 | kergoth | and some dev ipks |
| 03:58.50 | nikki | a friend was tasked to do rotation os displays in their devices, and he has asking is there a special config or command for it? |
| 03:58.56 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 03:59.00 | treke|ho1e | just upgrade to openzaurus 3.2 |
| 03:59.10 | nikki | maybe i should get the oz sources too... |
| 03:59.33 | treke|ho1e | feel free |
| 03:59.51 | mantus | imo there is no reason to not use oz, its been nearly a year since sharp has updated their rom |
| 04:00.25 | kergoth | indeed. oz is rapidly becoming the only upgrade path |
| 04:00.39 | kergoth | since it Sucks Less (tm), thats fine |
| 04:00.42 | ljp | ya, they are certainly dedicated to open source... |
| 04:00.52 | nikki | one very good reason to use oz, it has a much brighter future than the sharp ones |
| 04:00.52 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:01.49 | treke|ho1e | s/much bright// |
| 04:01.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:01.59 | nikki | hehe |
| 04:02.00 | nikki | yeah |
| 04:03.02 | mantus | sharps theory seems to be once its working its 100% whereas OZ is constantly getting new packages |
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| 04:03.17 | kergoth | and fixes, and new features |
| 04:03.22 | kergoth | oz and opie are both very dynamic |
| 04:04.25 | mantus | ive been using oz since 2.8 (i think) and have only used the sharp rom to pull the hancom apps from it |
| 04:05.20 | _Psycho | moving a 24megs images is long |
| 04:05.37 | _Psycho | hey kergoth you ever used the direct USB flashing to flash ? |
| 04:05.43 | chouimat | ljp: their cover of a song from an obscure band called Motorhead |
| 04:05.50 | mantus | kergoth: does sharp send you free hardware or financial support? |
| 04:05.56 | kergoth | nope |
| 04:06.26 | ljp | chouimat: actually, Lemmie from Motorhead was in Hawkwind |
| 04:06.37 | treke|ho1e | mantus: thats a good theory, problems is that I wouldnt call qpe working 100% |
| 04:06.38 | mantus | if i wanted to donate to the OZ project, how would i go about doing that (aside from my feeble progamming skills)? |
| 04:06.39 | chouimat | ljp: I didn't knew that one |
| 04:06.56 | ljp | yup, check out 'Masters of the Universe' |
| 04:07.00 | kergoth | mantus: you can contribute via documentation assistance, coding, or financially (our contact page has donation links) |
| 04:07.11 | chouimat | ljpand moorcock was with them too? |
| 04:07.13 | TheMasterMind1 | hehe |
| 04:07.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i have a gcc ipk |
| 04:07.30 | ljp | hmm, maybe |
| 04:07.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ;) |
| 04:07.39 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how? |
| 04:07.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fixed the gcc-2.95-arm build |
| 04:07.52 | TheMasterMind1 | how |
| 04:08.08 | chouimat | ljp: will try to find that album this weekend |
| 04:08.13 | TheMasterMind1 | i must have fucked with that thing atleast 10 times |
| 04:08.16 | TheMasterMind1 | never got it working |
| 04:08.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno, just fucked with it till it worked. i'll push the changeset in a few |
| 04:08.34 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 04:08.37 | TheMasterMind1 | goodjob |
| 04:08.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we're going to need libc6-dev, etc packages |
| 04:08.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and libcstdc++ stuff |
| 04:08.44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 04:08.48 | TheMasterMind1 | funstuff |
| 04:08.48 | kergoth | and libqt2-emb-dev |
| 04:08.51 | kergoth | and libqpe1-dev |
| 04:08.51 | kergoth | etc |
| 04:08.55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:08.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:09.53 | kergoth | finally people can shut up about not being able to get zgcc working |
| 04:09.58 | kergoth | we'll have all proper dev shit like debian |
| 04:10.05 | chouimat | ljp: btw enjoy the song |
| 04:10.11 | ljp | thx |
| 04:10.16 | ljp | :) |
| 04:10.17 | mantus | kergoth: all i see on http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/contact is how to bitch at you :) |
| 04:10.24 | mantus | and get on mailing lists |
| 04:10.31 | kergoth | mantus: er i meant credits, not contact |
| 04:10.39 | kergoth | mantus: sorry, long day w/ 10 glibc failed compiles |
| 04:10.43 | kergoth | barely conscio |
| 04:10.44 | kergoth | s |
| 04:10.46 | chouimat | ljp: viintersorg is a swedish death metal singer ... with a clean and also a grunt voice |
| 04:12.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i should update my credits profile |
| 04:12.41 | chouimat | ljp: btw thanks for the hawkwind Master of universe (kazaa got it) |
| 04:12.49 | ljp | cool |
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| 04:13.26 | chouimat | ljp: more cd to buy :( |
| 04:13.57 | mantus | kergoth: is there an ipk of this working zgcc? |
| 04:14.06 | ljp | ya, I cant believe that album is a cd |
| 04:14.31 | chouimat | ljp: I'm searching Warrior on the Edge of time |
| 04:19.13 | chouimat|shower | ljp: btw master of the universe is on cdnow in audio cd format |
| 04:20.02 | kergoth | mantus: not yet, more work needs doing |
| 04:20.05 | kergoth | mantus: i'm working on it now |
| 04:20.10 | kergoth | cd /usr/src/corgi/output/ipks; /usr/src/corgi/output/staging/i386-linux/bin/ipkg-build -o root -g root /usr/src/corgi/build/ipktemp/gcc-2.95-2.95.4.ds14-1 |
| 04:20.13 | kergoth | Packaged contents of /usr/src/corgi/build/ipktemp/gcc-2.95-2.95.4.ds14-1 into ./gcc-2.95_2.95.4.ds14-1_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 04:20.16 | kergoth | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/corgi/packages/gcc-2.95-arm' |
| 04:20.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:20.19 | kergoth | woot. |
| 04:21.26 | mantus | kergoth: so, what do you do for a living? |
| 04:21.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:21.41 | TheMasterMind1 | unix tech support |
| 04:21.54 | mantus | all the time i see you here |
| 04:22.06 | kergoth | i sit here and bitch while i'm talking to idiots on the phone |
| 04:22.30 | mantus | oic |
| 04:22.56 | ljp | kergoth is a spy from the planet Mergatroid |
| 04:23.23 | ljp | a spy shell script, actually |
| 04:23.26 | kergoth | shh |
| 04:24.29 | kergoth | /usr/src/corgi$ ipkgfiles output/ipks/gcc-2.95_2.95.4.ds14-1_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |wc -l |
| 04:24.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:24.45 | kergoth | that ipk needs some trimming! |
| 04:25.35 | ljp | hmmmm, it's amazing how opera can just simply disappear |
| 04:25.49 | chouimat|shower | ljp: did you like the song? |
| 04:25.55 | ljp | while I am scrolling a web page |
| 04:26.06 | kergoth | ljp: Z or desktop? |
| 04:26.08 | ljp | oh, heh havent listened yet. hang on |
| 04:26.12 | ljp | desktop |
| 04:26.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:26.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:26.20 | mantus | ljp: opera sucks, use konq ... |
| 04:26.22 | chouimat|shower | ljp ok I will go take a shower |
| 04:26.42 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: hehe, we swiped some of their stuff from Rules.make :) |
| 04:26.53 | mantus | though, it does scale pictures better |
| 04:28.17 | mantus | kconfig ... is that like krad? |
| 04:28.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:28.59 | mantus | i was at a con and in the keynote the history of krad was explained |
| 04:30.26 | _Psycho | flashing my image *praying* |
| 04:31.00 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: hmm before I spend to much time on this. |
| 04:31.06 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/2002-November/012141.html |
| 04:31.14 | treke|ho1e | Am I reading that right as it wouldnt actually work? |
| 04:32.05 | kergoth | looks like i should work fine |
| 04:32.09 | kergoth | and thats from stuart at lineo too eh |
| 04:32.35 | treke|ho1e | I was thinking fromt he bottom part where it states the ipaq is missing an interrupt endpoint |
| 04:32.42 | treke|ho1e | Not too sure :) |
| 04:32.53 | kergoth | he says its optional |
| 04:32.59 | kergoth | but some idiot cdc driver writers dont reazlize it |
| 04:33.15 | treke|ho1e | ok. So I am misinterpretting it |
| 04:33.47 | _Psycho | question: if i pulled change from the buildroot, i do a bk -r co -q, when i do make, should it rebuild the new stuff ? |
| 04:33.58 | kergoth | _Psycho: no |
| 04:34.05 | kergoth | _Psycho: you must clean the packages that changed |
| 04:34.08 | kergoth | _Psycho: to see the changes |
| 04:34.12 | _Psycho | gah ook |
| 04:34.17 | _Psycho | i thought that was auto |
| 04:34.19 | kergoth | in some cases, of sources changed, you need to mrproper |
| 04:34.22 | kergoth | but thats more rare |
| 04:34.23 | kergoth | nope |
| 04:34.27 | kergoth | new buildsystem it'll be auto |
| 04:34.29 | kergoth | this one isnt |
| 04:34.38 | _Psycho | like make SUBDIRS=packages/blah mrproper ? |
| 04:34.43 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:34.46 | kergoth | or clean, or whatever |
| 04:34.48 | _Psycho | ok thanks |
| 04:34.54 | kergoth | np |
| 04:34.55 | _Psycho | i just saw like 6-7 changeset i was wondering |
| 04:34.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: pushed the gcc-2.95-arm makefile |
| 04:35.03 | kergoth | yeah i know |
| 04:35.07 | kergoth | i pushed an assload of stuff |
| 04:35.16 | TCMAN | kergoth: so does sl5500 use sd or spi mode ? |
| 04:35.22 | kergoth | TCMAN: what? |
| 04:35.36 | TCMAN | kergoth: for sd card |
| 04:35.55 | kergoth | it uses a serial peripheral interface to control both sd and mmc cards |
| 04:36.16 | _Psycho | damn my image sux0r no mount on it |
| 04:36.19 | kergoth | I have translated specs on the locomo chip spi interfae |
| 04:36.20 | _Psycho | but work fine |
| 04:36.26 | TCMAN | kergoth: yes, but it seems there are two bus modes |
| 04:36.37 | kergoth | with which we can add Z support to an open source mmc driver |
| 04:36.42 | TCMAN | kergoth: which one does it use ? |
| 04:36.55 | kergoth | how the flying fuck would i know that? |
| 04:37.03 | kergoth | do you see me sitting here with fuckign sd driver source? |
| 04:37.13 | kergoth | i think not |
| 04:37.26 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: look to your left |
| 04:37.29 | kergoth | once again, it talks to it via the SPI interface on the locomo chip. thats all i know |
| 04:37.43 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok |
| 04:37.48 | mantus | kergoth: wait? you DON'T know and see all? I've been misinformed. |
| 04:37.49 | treke|ho1e | under the bottle of scotch |
| 04:37.56 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:38.12 | kergoth | that'll show you! its a bottle of brandy, not scotch! |
| 04:38.16 | TCMAN | kergoth: so is getting sd specs a matter of joing sd group and shelling $4k ? |
| 04:38.30 | kergoth | TCMAN: last i checked it was $1k a year |
| 04:38.37 | kergoth | but yes thats all is needed |
| 04:38.45 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: that was the member organization price :) |
| 04:38.46 | TCMAN | kergoth: they have two modes, $4k and $1.5k |
| 04:38.52 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:39.13 | TCMAN | kergoth: so maybe we should set up donation fund? and post it on slash ? |
| 04:39.14 | kergoth | and the difference is? |
| 04:39.18 | mantus | wait, they charge 4k a year so you can write drivers for their hardware? |
| 04:39.22 | kergoth | TCMAN: you act like this is some brilliant idea |
| 04:39.25 | kergoth | no shit |
| 04:39.28 | kergoth | i told people 3 months ago |
| 04:39.44 | kergoth | that i may end up starting a business for OE and soliciting donations to obtain the specs |
| 04:39.48 | TCMAN | kergoth: i dont say its "my briliant idea" |
| 04:39.54 | kergoth | but that i would make a decision on whether that would be necessary after 3.2 came out |
| 04:39.58 | kergoth | i havent yet made the decision |
| 04:40.07 | kergoth | so dont waste my time. i know my options. |
| 04:40.14 | TCMAN | kergoth: ok, i just say i would gladly donate couple bucks |
| 04:40.25 | kergoth | that would be appreciated |
| 04:40.32 | kergoth | if we go that route. |
| 04:40.50 | treke|ho1e | problem is it takes a lot of couple bucks to get a new 1,000 let alone 4000 bucks each year |
| 04:41.07 | _Psycho | gah damn me wonder why mount was not in the image, without that i cannot mount my sd card and update my own image |
| 04:41.15 | TCMAN | kergoth: i just wanted to figure out what is the prob with sd driver, you know i am new to Z |
| 04:41.20 | kergoth | _Psycho: heh cause you didnt enable it |
| 04:41.23 | kergoth | _Psycho: util-linux-mount |
| 04:41.35 | TCMAN | treke|ho1e: thats the slashdot for :)))) |
| 04:41.43 | kergoth | TCMAN: its been discussed both on irc (see ibot's logs) and the mailing lists, on multiple occasions |
| 04:41.46 | _Psycho | hmmmmmmmm |
| 04:41.52 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:42.23 | _Psycho | i did |
| 04:42.44 | kergoth | no, if you enabled it in the image, yuou'd have it |
| 04:42.46 | kergoth | make image_menuconfig |
| 04:42.48 | kergoth | NOT |
| 04:42.52 | kergoth | make menuconfig |
| 04:42.55 | kergoth | make menuconfig controls build |
| 04:43.07 | mantus | kergoth: get OZ or OE set up a a non-profit organization (im sure you thought about this already). |
| 04:43.10 | kergoth | make image_menuconfig controls image creation/deployment |
| 04:43.24 | kergoth | mantus: yep, thats an option to consider |
| 04:44.01 | Rince | morning |
| 04:44.06 | mantus | shit, ide solicit for you if i could tell people their donations were a tax deduction |
| 04:45.11 | TCMAN | mantus: you have to setup foundation for that and register with IRS or something |
| 04:46.15 | _Psycho | hmmm it seem enabled hmm |
| 04:46.17 | mantus | geting state non-prof is easy, and that allows state tax deductions, federal is a bit trickier and would likey require a lawyer |
| 04:48.05 | mantus | well, at least here in MI |
| 04:48.22 | kergoth | _Psycho: ipkg files util-linux-mount in your z |
| 04:48.44 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:49.23 | _Psycho | ok doing some test good idea |
| 04:49.41 | treke|ho1e | hrm where is this |
| 04:50.10 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: You know where the equivalent to a linux/drives/Config.in is? |
| 04:50.47 | _Psycho | damn it seem that ifconfig doesnt want to work because there is no /proc |
| 04:50.50 | treke|ho1e | aha |
| 04:50.52 | treke|ho1e | think I found it |
| 04:52.28 | treke|ho1e | arc/arm/config.in |
| 04:53.00 | *** join/#openembedded SuperH (gar@cary-f-240.resnet.purdue.edu) |
| 04:54.08 | _Psycho | it build fine but doesnt seem to output me a ipks |
| 04:55.12 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: got it :) |
| 04:55.38 | SuperH | anyone here use their Zaurus on a Virtual Private Network? |
| 04:56.22 | SuperH | I can't get ZeeS/WAN to work for the life of me |
| 04:56.33 | SuperH | ERROR: libgmp3.postinst returned 127 |
| 04:56.43 | SuperH | ldconfig: No such file or directory |
| 04:57.08 | SuperH | anyone else have this problem? or am I not asking in the right place |
| 04:57.18 | kergoth | uhh |
| 04:57.23 | kergoth | postinst failure doesnt mean the install failed. |
| 04:58.47 | SuperH | well... Failed to link /mnt/card/. to /. Failed to link /mnt/card/usr/share/doc/libgmp3/..... |
| 04:58.53 | kergoth | harmless. |
| 04:59.12 | _Psycho | kergoth any idea why im not getting a util-linux ipks ? :) after i make it ? |
| 04:59.22 | SuperH | the blue installation dot doesn't appear by ZeeSwan |
| 04:59.44 | kergoth | SuperH: well, those messages you gave me arent failures. |
| 04:59.50 | SuperH | and i get that ldconfig error when i try to install apps from then on, call me a newbie (which I am to openzaurus) |
| 04:59.51 | TCMAN | actually not that harmless, it tells us we install docs with this library :) like we have too much space on Z or sd card :) |
| 04:59.54 | kergoth | so if its failing, its due to something else entirely. |
| 04:59.59 | SuperH | but i've flashed about... ohhhh.... 15 times |
| 05:00.03 | kergoth | SuperH: once again, its *harmless* |
| 05:00.09 | kergoth | postinst failure |
| 05:00.11 | SuperH | ok |
| 05:00.13 | kergoth | TCMAN: what? |
| 05:00.24 | kergoth | postinst failure is NOT install failure. |
| 05:00.25 | kergoth | period |
| 05:00.31 | SuperH | i know i realize that |
| 05:00.56 | TCMAN | kergoth: like we need /usr/share/doc :) |
| 05:01.05 | kergoth | TCMAN: ah, yeah |
| 05:01.22 | chouimat|Zzzz | night kergoth`zzz |
| 05:01.22 | kergoth`zzz | i'm off, gonna read a book and get some sleep |
| 05:01.25 | kergoth`zzz | night |
| 05:01.28 | treke|ho1e | hmmm good plan |
| 05:01.30 | TCMAN | kergoth`zzz: night |
| 05:01.52 | SuperH | but whenever i try to install anything after installing libgmp3, the icons do not show up, the stuff doesn't link, and i can't just run the executable |
| 05:02.39 | SuperH | i don't want to have to carry around an ipaq for internet and a zaurus for everything else |
| 05:03.17 | mantus | what can an ipaq do on the internet that the z cant? |
| 05:03.27 | SuperH | it has VPN already installed |
| 05:03.31 | TCMAN | where do i set password for vnc server ? |
| 05:03.32 | SuperH | well... a client i can get for it |
| 05:04.36 | SuperH | the access points here require VPN |
| 05:06.28 | mantus | Sugar: http://www.allnetdevices.com/wireless/news/2002/11/15/ibm_and.html |
| 05:06.47 | mantus | err superH |
| 05:07.08 | mantus | stupid tab completion not reading my mind |
| 05:07.31 | _Psycho | kergoth is i do a make SUBDIRS=packages/util-linux i am supposed to get a ipks ? |
| 05:07.44 | _Psycho | if* |
| 05:07.47 | SuperH | oooh, wonder if i can get that on the 5500 somehow |
| 05:07.54 | _Psycho | nm he is zzz |
| 05:09.15 | SuperH | this Zaurus i've been wanting |
| 05:09.58 | SuperH | so I saw the HSN deal and ordered it, had sharp rom on it and... well ya know |
| 05:10.31 | SuperH | OZ so far is MUCH better |
| 05:11.25 | mantus | i dunno much about vpn. is ibm webshphere vpn? |
| 05:11.42 | SuperH | yeah |
| 05:12.03 | SuperH | here the cisco access points are VPN, and use IPSec tunneling |
| 05:12.31 | mantus | http://www-3.ibm.com/software/pervasive/products/mobile_apps/everyplace_enterprise_sdk.shtml |
| 05:12.50 | mantus | thats just a sdk though |
| 05:13.43 | _Psycho | hmm its possible to do a COLD reset of the rom ? |
| 05:13.53 | _Psycho | hehe something like putting back everything original back ? |
| 05:14.24 | SuperH | i wish that were a full client and i knew anything about Debian linux |
| 05:14.43 | SuperH | my experience is around FreeBSD, my server at home runs a stable distro of 5.0 |
| 05:14.48 | TCMAN | _Psycho: when you flash OZ the only way to get back to sharp rom is to flash sharp rom |
| 05:15.07 | TCMAN | 5.0 is stable now ? |
| 05:15.10 | SuperH | yrsh |
| 05:15.13 | SuperH | yeah |
| 05:15.30 | _Psycho | ok thanks |
| 05:15.32 | TCMAN | SuperH: i though 4.7 is about to be released ? |
| 05:15.47 | SuperH | three servers on our irc network are 5.0 stable |
| 05:15.50 | SuperH | as well |
| 05:15.53 | mantus | yeam thats something i kind of liked while i was using the 64-0 kernel ... can do a full reset w/o losing any data (had to 2 times bcause of severe software crash) |
| 05:16.19 | TCMAN | mantus: do you get any sd card corruption ? |
| 05:16.32 | SuperH | not this one |
| 05:16.37 | mantus | TCMAN: well, all the links had to be restored |
| 05:17.03 | mantus | actually, no, the links didnt have to be restored |
| 05:17.15 | TCMAN | mantus: i got sd card corrupted couple times just by suspending and turning Z on again |
| 05:17.20 | mantus | everything worked find, i was worried about the links |
| 05:17.31 | SuperH | i got SD card corruption using EXT2 |
| 05:17.41 | mantus | TCMAN: ive had sd card corruption on 1 card (dont use it any more) |
| 05:17.57 | TCMAN | mantus: once it was very bad, but once fsck+restoring of some files from backup helped |
| 05:18.00 | mantus | see, i only got it using vfat, ext2/3 worked fine |
| 05:18.05 | _Psycho | figured out my mistake |
| 05:18.14 | TCMAN | SuperH: so what is better than ext2 then ? |
| 05:18.19 | SuperH | 09T14C15MAN14: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ |
| 05:18.23 | TCMAN | can sd card work with jffs2 ? |
| 05:19.26 | mantus | SuperH: from what i can tell there has to be a ibm websphere zaurus release, i would try to contact them about product information. |
| 05:19.28 | SuperH | as far as i know, you can use fat16, vfat, EXT2, and minix |
| 05:19.32 | TCMAN | SuperH: wow, cool, too bad i left freebsd some 2 years ago |
| 05:19.47 | SuperH | unix is the only thing i don't crash when i touch it |
| 05:19.49 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:19.50 | TCMAN | SuperH: yeah, but dos filesystems are no good |
| 05:20.01 | SuperH | yeah i don't like em either |
| 05:20.10 | mantus | i can only use win9x boxes if im drunk |
| 05:20.13 | SuperH | but so far... vfat and EXT2 have corrupted on me |
| 05:20.18 | mantus | and i mean real drunk |
| 05:20.23 | TCMAN | SuperH: i keep /root /opt and /home on /mnt/card |
| 05:20.48 | SuperH | i'm not about to use minix |
| 05:20.59 | SuperH | 09M14an15tu14s: i can format to ext3? |
| 05:21.30 | SuperH | heh, i break Windows PCs when I'm drunk |
| 05:21.33 | TCMAN | so maybe jffs2 would work, is it designed for flash media or not only for rom ? |
| 05:21.36 | mantus | yea, but i dont think the kernel supports it (didnt in 3.1rc3.1) |
| 05:21.51 | SuperH | i have 3.2, same kernel |
| 05:21.53 | SuperH | ok |
| 05:22.22 | TCMAN | SuperH: 3.2 has / jffs2 |
| 05:22.32 | SuperH | do you recommend it for me? |
| 05:22.34 | TCMAN | SuperH: go to console and type mount |
| 05:22.45 | SuperH | yeah, i have to manually mount the card each time i reboot |
| 05:22.47 | TCMAN | SuperH: i dont know if i recommend it for myself :) |
| 05:23.10 | TCMAN | SuperH: mount the card ? why ? |
| 05:23.11 | SuperH | this is a problem i have too |
| 05:23.14 | SuperH | i can't eject the card |
| 05:23.19 | SuperH | SD/MMC eject failed! |
| 05:23.22 | TCMAN | SuperH: it should mount automagically |
| 05:23.27 | SuperH | and... umount /mnt/card |
| 05:23.33 | SuperH | umount: /mnt/card: device is busy |
| 05:23.37 | SuperH | no, it isn't |
| 05:23.39 | SuperH | heh |
| 05:23.44 | TCMAN | SuperH: exit opie, cd / |
| 05:23.50 | mantus | i wonder if i can duct tape a big antenna to a cf wlan card |
| 05:23.53 | TCMAN | SuperH: then try unmountint |
| 05:24.33 | TCMAN | SuperH: i have 256mb sandisk sdmmc and 64mb lexar mmc and they both mount at startup |
| 05:24.44 | SuperH | nope it didn't work |
| 05:24.59 | TCMAN | SuperH: what processes are you running ? |
| 05:25.19 | TCMAN | does ps show any process which program image is on /mnt/card ? |
| 05:25.23 | SuperH | whoa, flood. makes me hate being an oper (not here)... stupid unreal and zlib, lemme read through what you said just got flooded heh |
| 05:25.32 | mantus | it a bkc problem |
| 05:25.37 | SuperH | checking |
| 05:26.16 | mantus | if you installed a program to /mnt/card w/o a card mounted it could cause problems |
| 05:26.20 | mantus | if its running |
| 05:26.42 | SuperH | init, keventd wapperx3 kopm-idled ksmapd kreclaimd bdflush kupdated mtdblockd jffs2_gcd_mtd4 ompd inetd sdmgr cardmgr sshd and -sh |
| 05:27.08 | SuperH | opmd, inetd are in usr/sbin |
| 05:27.25 | SuperH | sdmgr and cardmgr are in sbin, sshd is in /usr/sbin |
| 05:27.39 | SuperH | i'm sure you knew that, but ya know... for the sake of clarification |
| 05:28.22 | _Psycho | hmm my image is 30megs hope thats ok |
| 05:28.34 | SuperH | nothing listed on mnt/card |
| 05:28.54 | mantus | imho, removing sshd is a good idea |
| 05:28.57 | TCMAN | wtf is ompd ? |
| 05:29.02 | TCMAN | apmd |
| 05:29.04 | TCMAN | ! |
| 05:29.07 | SuperH | apmd |
| 05:29.07 | SuperH | yeah |
| 05:29.10 | SuperH | blind |
| 05:29.17 | mantus | power management |
| 05:29.20 | SuperH | yeah |
| 05:29.24 | SuperH | advanced power management |
| 05:29.26 | SuperH | daemon |
| 05:29.30 | mantus | yup |
| 05:29.33 | TCMAN | SuperH: and you are currently in what directory ? |
| 05:29.41 | TCMAN | pwd ? |
| 05:29.55 | SuperH | i am in / |
| 05:30.17 | TCMAN | SuperH: how about /etc/sdcontrol eject ? |
| 05:30.20 | mantus | i think pwd proves that unix was made by a bunch of stoners |
| 05:30.50 | SuperH | yields |
| 05:30.55 | SuperH | umount: /mnt/card: device is busy |
| 05:31.13 | TCMAN | SuperH: somebody has an open file on the /mnt/card |
| 05:31.25 | SuperH | i logged out of my SCP |
| 05:31.26 | mantus | close anything that had anything on /mnt/card open |
| 05:31.43 | mantus | just start killing processes |
| 05:31.47 | TCMAN | too bad there is no lsof command |
| 05:31.50 | SuperH | kill -9 * |
| 05:31.51 | SuperH | hehehe |
| 05:32.27 | mantus | yea, i alias kill to kill -9 |
| 05:34.02 | mantus | that would be good intrusion detetion on a server no one is supposed to ever logon to ... alias cd to kill -9 * |
| 05:34.09 | SuperH | i killed EVERYTHING to the point i was logged out |
| 05:34.19 | mantus | hah |
| 05:34.21 | SuperH | well... umount /mnt/card: device is busy |
| 05:34.27 | SuperH | heh |
| 05:34.36 | SuperH | i hope this has nothing to do with the secure digital 128 |
| 05:34.42 | TCMAN | SuperH: ok, your only hope is sync and reboot |
| 05:34.45 | mantus | reboot |
| 05:35.07 | mantus | always a good idea if youve been blindly killing processes |
| 05:35.13 | SuperH | Broadcast message from root (tty1) |
| 05:35.25 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:35.38 | SuperH | well i always have to reboot to unmount, and pull the card |
| 05:35.43 | SuperH | before the reboot happens |
| 05:36.04 | SuperH | compact flash detected and mounted fine |
| 05:36.43 | TCMAN | SuperH: do you have any processes starting from /mnt/card ? |
| 05:36.51 | SuperH | nope |
| 05:36.54 | *** part/#openembedded hcarty (~hcarty@209.150.103.224) |
| 05:37.13 | SuperH | this is a clean flash, except for what i tried to install (which yields a bunch of ldconfig errors and doesn't let me install stuff further) |
| 05:37.34 | TCMAN | SuperH: what format is it ? |
| 05:37.49 | SuperH | well... WAS ext2, till i realized i was losing stuff every boot |
| 05:37.50 | TCMAN | SuperH: ext2 ? |
| 05:37.55 | SuperH | now it's MSDOS |
| 05:37.57 | TCMAN | SuperH: and now ? |
| 05:37.59 | SuperH | which i HATE |
| 05:38.10 | SuperH | had the same mount/unmount issues with EXT2 |
| 05:38.22 | TCMAN | SuperH: and you formatted it using what ? |
| 05:38.32 | SuperH | mkfs |
| 05:38.41 | mantus | is the card mounted now? |
| 05:38.45 | SuperH | no, it isn't |
| 05:38.48 | SuperH | just booted u |
| 05:38.49 | TCMAN | SuperH: on what device ? |
| 05:38.49 | SuperH | p |
| 05:38.58 | mantus | ls /mnt/card |
| 05:39.02 | SuperH | /dev/mmcda |
| 05:39.11 | TCMAN | SuperH: how about /dev/mmcda1 ? |
| 05:39.26 | TCMAN | SuperH: you nuked partition table |
| 05:39.28 | mantus | /dev/mmcda shows up in /mnt/card? |
| 05:39.32 | SuperH | yeah |
| 05:39.41 | SuperH | argh, i was afraid of that |
| 05:39.54 | TCMAN | SuperH: fdisk /dev/mmcda :) |
| 05:40.20 | TCMAN | SuperH: create new parition table, create new partition on it, and next time mkfs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 05:40.32 | SuperH | EXT2 should work then |
| 05:40.50 | TCMAN | SuperH: it should |
| 05:41.16 | mantus | i have no idea why mmcda would be showing up in /mnt/card ... thats the device /mnt/card should be mounting from (well, mmcda1 actually) |
| 05:41.28 | SuperH | argh, tired |
| 05:41.41 | mantus | did you get drunk and molest your zaurus? |
| 05:41.48 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:41.52 | SuperH | i put OZ on it |
| 05:41.57 | mantus | is sounds like its fucked |
| 05:42.01 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:42.01 | *** join/#openembedded Neo|Laptop (~neotron@12-208-181-224.client.attbi.com) |
| 05:42.03 | mantus | :) |
| 05:42.24 | SuperH | which partition table should i use? DOS? |
| 05:42.30 | mantus | are you looking at a fresh flash of oz? |
| 05:42.41 | SuperH | well... 45 mins fresh |
| 05:42.43 | SuperH | heh |
| 05:42.54 | TCMAN | SuperH: yes, dos partition table |
| 05:43.03 | mantus | ide suggest re-flashing, and make SURE the cf is fat16 |
| 05:43.41 | SuperH | ok... and yes, the cf is fat16 |
| 05:43.45 | TCMAN | SuperH: not bsd disklabel, not sun disklabel, not sgi volume header :) just new blank dos partition |
| 05:43.46 | SuperH | it has to be for digital camera |
| 05:44.04 | SuperH | it's a 128MB CF card for my HP |
| 05:44.06 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:44.14 | SuperH | PNY |
| 05:44.46 | TCMAN | well, setting up jffs2 on sd or cf is not that easy |
| 05:44.48 | mantus | i tried flashing sharp rom from a fat32 ... not so good ... almost looks like it works, then fails hard |
| 05:44.59 | SuperH | ok i made a new table... mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 ? |
| 05:45.36 | TCMAN | after you made a new parition table, you have to create new partition |
| 05:45.43 | SuperH | on mmcda1 right? |
| 05:45.48 | TCMAN | n - new p - primary 1 - partition 1 |
| 05:46.54 | TCMAN | SuperH: no, in fdisk, fdisk /dev/mmcda, create new blank partition table, create one ext2 partition, w - write and exit, mke2fs /dev/mmcda1- initialize/format the partition |
| 05:47.56 | SuperH | i am going to cry |
| 05:48.01 | SuperH | and rip out the rest of my hair |
| 05:48.02 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:48.10 | SuperH | Bus Error |
| 05:48.15 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 05:48.27 | SuperH | i'll look like a real engineer then |
| 05:48.29 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:48.37 | TCMAN | busybox fdisk sucks |
| 05:49.08 | mantus | there is a real fdisk package |
| 05:49.28 | SuperH | i should just get a new card |
| 05:49.31 | SuperH | i think this is screwed |
| 05:49.32 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:49.45 | TCMAN | SuperH: i think it is ok, it just needs formatting |
| 05:50.04 | mantus | get a sd/cf combo reader |
| 05:50.12 | mantus | they are great |
| 05:50.21 | SuperH | every option other than "o" is Bus Error |
| 05:50.30 | SuperH | my Soyo supports an addon type thingy for that i think |
| 05:51.03 | TCMAN | SuperH: i formatted my card in my desktop |
| 05:52.24 | SuperH | i'm going to purchase the addon reader/writer for my motherboard and do the same i think |
| 05:52.43 | mantus | just get a usb job |
| 05:52.49 | mantus | 30 bucks |
| 05:52.54 | TCMAN | i got the atech reader |
| 05:53.27 | SuperH | heh... 10 USB ports on here, and i'm using 6 |
| 05:53.42 | SuperH | guess i could add a 7th thing |
| 05:53.50 | mantus | damn, i thought i was cool with 6 ports |
| 05:54.14 | TCMAN | 2 ports on my tiger mp only :( |
| 05:54.20 | TCMAN | and 2 internal ports |
| 05:54.30 | mantus | mp, dual athlon? |
| 05:54.56 | TCMAN | mantus: yup, dual axp 1.4ghz |
| 05:55.05 | SuperH | Soyo Dragon Ultra P4S-645DX, came with 6 integrated and a 4-port addon VIA PCI card |
| 05:55.08 | SuperH | nice |
| 05:55.16 | mantus | then you are not allowed to complain about lack of usb ports |
| 05:55.21 | TCMAN | i should get one usb2.0+firewire card |
| 05:55.39 | SuperH | audigy2 has two firewire ports |
| 05:55.47 | mantus | audigy2 is silly |
| 05:55.47 | SuperH | heh, get Firewire2 ;) |
| 05:56.00 | SuperH | audigy2 puts sound out at 96KHz |
| 05:56.09 | SuperH | i guess that was important to me at one time |
| 05:56.09 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:56.38 | TCMAN | i have stupid live and i want to get maudio revolution or 2496 |
| 05:56.56 | mantus | 16bit 44.1KHz is more than the average human can hear ... im not puttin on a concert for dogs |
| 05:57.15 | TCMAN | audigy sucks, and its not really 96khz i heard, and definitely not 24 bit |
| 05:57.35 | TCMAN | maudio uses envy24, thats the real good shit |
| 05:57.50 | SuperH | i know it sucks |
| 05:57.52 | mantus | i have an audigy1 mp3+ (whatever) if anyone wants to buy it |
| 05:58.13 | SuperH | but it's compatible with my Harman/Kardon AVR, and it detects it at 96KHz fiber optic bitrate |
| 05:58.36 | SuperH | i decided to say no to PC speakers, and just use my stereo |
| 05:58.37 | SuperH | lol |
| 05:59.25 | mantus | i have a dcoax/svideo connection to my stereo/tv ... 5.1channel ogm divx rips are great |
| 05:59.57 | SuperH | component |
| 06:00.41 | SuperH | 7.1 channel audio receiver, 6.1 audio output... yeah, already needs upgraded |
| 06:00.42 | SuperH | lol |
| 06:01.31 | mantus | ok, i no 6.1 adds center rear ... whats 7.1 |
| 06:01.59 | TCMAN | 17.1 :) |
| 06:02.07 | TCMAN | fuck i have two speakers and its great |
| 06:02.09 | SuperH | removes center rear, removes left and right surrounds, adds mid surrounds and rear surrounds |
| 06:02.11 | mantus | even new dts formats use 6.1 |
| 06:02.46 | SuperH | basically moves the rear two channels in a center channel array up to the middle and puts two more in the back |
| 06:02.52 | mantus | 5.1 for movies is definatly noticable (when using DD or DTS) |
| 06:03.03 | SuperH | I prefer DTS |
| 06:03.10 | SuperH | and there is proof available as to why it's better |
| 06:03.11 | SuperH | hehe |
| 06:03.19 | SuperH | err... "more auditorily pleasing" |
| 06:03.29 | mantus | blah, more sound my ears cant hear |
| 06:03.33 | TCMAN | i have one level of music education, i can tell if music is playing or not |
| 06:03.37 | mantus | and its not normalized |
| 06:03.53 | mantus | i cant hear the difference |
| 06:04.31 | SuperH | i heard an improvement of DTS over DD before i knew it was a technologically superior format, I thought DD was because it was more widely used |
| 06:05.00 | SuperH | but DD is cheaper and more compatible than DTS (not all receivers do DTS) |
| 06:05.29 | mantus | and leaves room on the disk for extra features |
| 06:06.09 | mantus | dts is 2-4x bitrate over dd if i recall corectly |
| 06:06.31 | SuperH | DD is ~77x and DTS is ~33xx |
| 06:06.44 | SuperH | both are insanely high |
| 06:06.55 | SuperH | i forget exact numbers |
| 06:07.07 | mantus | doesnt dts have an evern more insane bitrate? |
| 06:07.33 | mantus | 1536 kbps |
| 06:07.45 | SuperH | is it? |
| 06:07.49 | SuperH | i read somewhere 3,3xx |
| 06:07.57 | SuperH | guess i was incorrect |
| 06:08.52 | SuperH | ah DD is 64-448 |
| 06:08.53 | mantus | i thought dd was 384 dts was 768/1536 |
| 06:08.58 | SuperH | i see, said the blind man |
| 06:09.33 | SuperH | http://www.digvid.info/media/dvd.php |
| 06:09.42 | SuperH | yeah that's not more than i ever wanted to know about DVDs |
| 06:11.47 | mantus | so either way, given that i can compress 5.1 channel dd to about 256kbps with vorbis and not notice, the quality is insane on both |
| 06:12.40 | mantus | i could probably take it lower than that even |
| 06:13.12 | mantus | but, i dont claim to be an audiophile |
| 06:13.46 | mantus | though, i can tell the difference between a 128kbps xing and a 128kbps lame mp3 |
| 06:15.35 | SuperH | xing you like better i take it? |
| 06:15.55 | mantus | no |
| 06:15.59 | mantus | xing is terrible |
| 06:16.20 | mantus | cant handle low freq for shit |
| 06:16.21 | SuperH | ah, i dont know much about MP3 compressors |
| 06:16.46 | mantus | lame is the only way to mp3 imho, though i use ogg vorbis anyway |
| 06:18.23 | mantus | i think there is a quarter tone in this music im listening to |
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| 09:37.47 | gurok | Hi, can anyone answer a question on OZ3.2 installtion please ? |
| 09:38.22 | carsten | not if you don't ask |
| 09:38.46 | gurok | fair enough - so I got both battery light and mail light on - nothing on screen - what should be happening ? |
| 09:39.09 | bronson | You're flashing your ROM? |
| 09:39.23 | gurok | should the screen display anything ? |
| 09:39.31 | Rince | just awit |
| 09:39.38 | Rince | no, the screen should be down |
| 09:39.54 | gurok | ok - I will wait. |
| 09:40.02 | gurok | thanks.. |
| 09:40.38 | Rince | it will take at least 5 and at last 12 minutes or so |
| 09:40.46 | bronson | When the mail light turns off, you're done. |
| 09:40.56 | bronson | Hit the reset switch. |
| 09:41.41 | gurok | installing from microdrive so assume the longer time .. |
| 09:42.23 | Rince | yes, this _will_ take longer |
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| 09:43.14 | gurok | ok both lights gone out ! |
| 09:43.40 | noidd | well done gurok :-) |
| 09:44.03 | noidd | pop the drive out, hit the reset button, cover back on, switch back up and power on |
| 09:44.21 | noidd | and enjoy your new OZ distro :-0 |
| 09:44.21 | gurok | I have the logo |
| 09:49.10 | noidd | be patient - the first boot takes a LONG time |
| 09:49.17 | noidd | don't reboot or interupt it or anything |
| 09:50.56 | gurok | Im up, and in a terminal window. I went for the 64/0 install on the assumption that I could set the default installation base to be SD |
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| 10:01.33 | Speedy2 | Yo |
| 10:01.39 | noidd | hey speedy |
| 10:01.47 | Speedy2 | Hey man. |
| 10:03.34 | Speedy2 | What's up? |
| 10:04.43 | noidd | trying to get perl to cross-compile |
| 10:04.52 | noidd | got miniperl, microperl and normal perl to crosscompile now |
| 10:05.00 | noidd | just having evil arguments with dynaloader |
| 10:05.36 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 10:05.41 | Speedy2 | Cross-compiling is always a whore. |
| 10:07.11 | noidd | yeah - and perl is the worst |
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| 10:11.34 | Speedy2 | I'm trying to find a recycling joint so I can dump a bunch of computer stuff |
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| 13:28.24 | _PsyJob | Good morning ! |
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| 13:43.02 | zed2k | hi - we fixed a broken pen :) http://www.tuxathome.de/sharp-stifthack.jpg |
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| 13:45.11 | _PsyJob | haha zed i think i will do the same thing |
| 13:45.21 | _PsyJob | oups he left ;) |
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| 13:48.13 | troffasky | i used tape and glue on mine |
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| 15:02.51 | sieve | morning everyone |
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| 15:11.09 | pyromance | Hmm? |
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| 15:23.26 | greearb_zzz | well, after 3 days it appears I have build images for my Z...now to pick it up from UPS and I'm ready to cause trouble! |
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| 15:35.51 | aman | hello |
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| 15:36.54 | aman | prpplague hey |
| 15:37.58 | prpplague | morning |
| 15:38.33 | treke|home | so this is cool |
| 15:38.49 | treke|home | after 2 days my ipaqs clock is still reasonably in sync |
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| 15:39.08 | aman | treke|home nice |
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| 15:39.20 | treke|home | that *never* happened in familiar |
| 15:41.22 | aman | haha |
| 15:42.13 | masticator | morning. |
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| 16:02.04 | mickeyl | hi carsten. fixed your environment problems? |
| 16:03.57 | carsten__ | partly |
| 16:04.14 | carsten__ | I am currently trying to build up my nb. Figthing with smtp |
| 16:04.21 | carsten__ | Zaurus will come tomorrow |
| 16:04.31 | carsten__ | today: mail, GUI, printer, X and such |
| 16:04.45 | mickeyl | carsten_: still running gentoo ? |
| 16:12.18 | troffasky | why isn't the initrd.bin on openzaurus.org compressed? |
| 16:12.56 | greearb | if it's saved in jffs2, it's compressed by default...but that is just a guess. |
| 16:13.35 | troffasky | no I mean the initrd.bin file, it shrinks by >30% if you gzip it |
| 16:14.20 | kergoth`zzz | it shrinks because of the padding |
| 16:14.37 | kergoth`zzz | our 3.5 free mb of space consists of 0xFFs, which are quite compressible |
| 16:15.00 | troffasky | no I mean you might save yourselves some bandwidth costs at oz.org if it was gzipped |
| 16:15.06 | kergoth | yes, i know. |
| 16:15.11 | kergoth | its been brought up before, and it'll be done |
| 16:15.15 | kergoth | fyi openzaurus.org is hosted on SF |
| 16:17.40 | _PsyJob | morning ker |
| 16:18.15 | _PsyJob | Got an email of sandisk, saying that i cant do anything i have to replace my reader hehe |
| 16:18.23 | _PsyJob | i did an image last night finally figured it out |
| 16:18.29 | _PsyJob | its 29.5 megs its normal ? |
| 16:18.40 | _PsyJob | once i get my new reader i try it :) |
| 16:18.48 | kergoth | yep thats normal |
| 16:18.55 | _PsyJob | ok cool |
| 16:19.39 | _PsyJob | nothing do with with my current one, without mount, he doesnt create a /proc and nothing work like ifconfig, cannot network on it to install util-linux and stuff |
| 16:19.41 | _PsyJob | anyway no big deal |
| 16:19.43 | _PsyJob | whats up ? |
| 16:19.46 | _PsyJob | jsut got at work ? |
| 16:19.50 | _PsyJob | you on mountain time ? |
| 16:20.10 | pyromance | |
| 16:20.29 | aman | kergoth whats up |
| 16:20.33 | aman | kergoth why is the wiki so damn slow |
| 16:20.41 | kenb | cause it's on SF |
| 16:20.44 | kergoth | its SF, what do you expect |
| 16:20.45 | kergoth | rightg |
| 16:20.45 | aman | i wanna update TODO |
| 16:20.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:20.49 | aman | it is? |
| 16:20.51 | _PsyJob | hehe |
| 16:20.53 | aman | i thought noda was hosting it |
| 16:20.57 | kergoth | yes, the openembedded project on SF |
| 16:21.03 | aman | k |
| 16:23.35 | lsmith | oh nice .. todo update |
| 16:25.59 | kergoth | yeah i need to update it as well |
| 16:26.04 | kergoth | let me know when you're done with it aman |
| 16:26.48 | aman | kergoth k |
| 16:26.55 | aman | if it ever loads... |
| 16:27.19 | aman | actually, a wiki changelog would probably be a good idea also |
| 16:27.42 | aman | hmm |
| 16:27.46 | aman | where'd all the [done] items go |
| 16:27.57 | kergoth | i cleaned up a bit |
| 16:28.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:28.04 | aman | damn |
| 16:28.11 | aman | no more sense of accomplishment |
| 16:28.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:34.19 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.24 | aman | are we using that already? |
| 16:35.03 | kergoth | kaffe? |
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| 16:35.19 | aman | yea |
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| 16:35.21 | Com[Plex | efucker |
| 16:35.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:35.44 | aman | kaffe has had qte support for a LONG time now |
| 16:35.52 | aman | its usable too |
| 16:35.55 | aman | i saw some screenies |
| 16:35.57 | _PsyJob | btw aman the OE.org kiwi site work quite good here |
| 16:36.16 | Com[Plex | uh... that was weird.. I just pulled back into this window. almost did it again because of the window taking over |
| 16:36.30 | aman | AHH! |
| 16:36.30 | aman | wtf |
| 16:36.33 | aman | i just saved |
| 16:36.34 | aman | and it didn't save |
| 16:36.53 | _PsyJob | Last update, 3 april |
| 16:37.50 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:38.06 | Com[Plex | hmm.. |
| 16:38.55 | aman | saving........ |
| 16:39.43 | aman | still saving |
| 16:40.00 | _PsyJob | still nothing =p |
| 16:40.27 | aman | grr |
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| 16:46.32 | gurok | Hi all, I installed OZ 3.2 today, all seems we11. Quick question, does anyone know of an applet, like of the sharp image, that supports the configuration and dialout of irda modem connections. I read the faq and saw what files needed changing.... |
| 16:46.46 | gurok | however the tool on the sharp distro was neat and easy ! |
| 16:47.51 | kergoth | there is no dialup / PPP tool for Opie atm |
| 16:47.54 | treke | kergoth: is the product name and manufacturer in the USBD config used for anything other than reference? |
| 16:48.21 | kergoth | treke: not afaik. afaik only the IDs are used |
| 16:48.42 | treke | ok. once I know it works, I'll try changing them |
| 16:48.44 | gurok | ok - thanks |
| 16:49.18 | kergoth | gurok: ben will write a PPP module for the networksettings app eventually, but i dont know when |
| 16:49.58 | treke | maybe when he gets a pda again :) |
| 16:50.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:53.56 | mickeyl | On Sat, 2002-07-06 at 10:19, Murphy Chen wrote: |
| 16:53.56 | mickeyl | > Dear Jim, |
| 16:53.56 | mickeyl | > |
| 16:53.56 | mickeyl | > We are happy to contribute our work on porting AWT to |
| 16:53.56 | mickeyl | > QT/Embedded(qte-3.0.3) for Kaffe-1.0.6. |
| 16:54.05 | mickeyl | wonder if it will be that easy to backport... |
| 16:54.13 | kergoth | heh, talk to twuin |
| 16:54.16 | mickeyl | Twiun[away] may know |
| 16:54.18 | mickeyl | yep |
| 16:54.37 | kergoth | ah busybox finally got the mknod fix in cvs. spiffy. |
| 16:55.18 | mickeyl | mmh... iptables doesn't build |
| 16:55.37 | treke | kergoth: do we have Arch all in our ipkg config? |
| 16:55.54 | kergoth | treke: hehe, i saw that mail to familiar ml too. no, we dont, yes, we should |
| 16:55.58 | Twiun | yo |
| 16:56.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: really? i thought tmm1 fixed that |
| 16:56.07 | treke | :) |
| 16:56.11 | mickeyl | extensions/libipt_DNAT.c: In function `parse_to': |
| 16:56.29 | mickeyl | asm constrains not met (or something like that) |
| 16:57.12 | Twiun | mickeyl: jserv backported that qte binding to qt2 for kaffe |
| 16:57.27 | mickeyl | Twiun: ah. and how good is it compared to wonka? |
| 16:57.40 | Twiun | mickeyl: and although I used that as a base, I'm way, further now |
| 16:58.08 | Twiun | mickeyl: that backport only provides the bare essentials |
| 16:58.17 | mickeyl | Twiun: hmm... so it wasn't complete? What was missing? Aha. |
| 16:58.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: only top level windows are native |
| 16:58.32 | Twiun | mickeyl: everything else was lightweight |
| 16:58.39 | mickeyl | eeek |
| 16:59.02 | Twiun | *and* |
| 16:59.17 | Twiun | it was based on a peerless approach - that's the way kaffe's awt it setup |
| 16:59.21 | Twiun | s/it/is/ |
| 16:59.54 | Twiun | wonka's binding is peered and will be usable by any JVM |
| 17:00.07 | Twiun | I'll provide a lib |
| 17:00.08 | mickeyl | Twiun: well, then wonka is what java programmer want to work with. |
| 17:00.09 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030404&mode=classic |
| 17:00.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: yeah, except that I'm slow :) |
| 17:00.50 | Twiun | mickeyl: ideally, the qt binding should not matter - that's why I'm making it JVM agnostic |
| 17:01.00 | treke | Twiun: we forgive you |
| 17:01.15 | Twiun | mickeyl: wonka just happens to be much easier to xcompile than kaffe ever was :) |
| 17:01.22 | Twiun | mickeyl: that's why I chose it as a dev platform |
| 17:02.12 | mickeyl | good. being friendly to crosscompiling pays off :) |
| 17:02.45 | Twiun | mickeyl: only hassle is that it doesn't use make :( |
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| 17:03.07 | Twiun | mickeyl: instead using something called Jam... which I have to build a x86 bin as part f the main wonka nuild |
| 17:03.11 | Twiun | s/nuild/build/ |
| 17:03.25 | mickeyl | Twiun: aha. never heard of that |
| 17:03.27 | kergoth | add jam for x86 to host build tools as a seperate package |
| 17:03.33 | kergoth | put it in staging in its staging install |
| 17:03.42 | kergoth | then any app that needs it can make use of it |
| 17:03.46 | Twiun | kergoth: I will do... as well as jamjar, something it also needs :) |
| 17:03.56 | kergoth | k |
| 17:04.47 | kergoth | treke: scp on your box hates me |
| 17:04.54 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 17:05.47 | treke | kergoth: it does? |
| 17:05.55 | treke | kergoth: makes sense :) |
| 17:06.05 | treke | kergoth: cant scp to it, right? |
| 17:06.06 | kergoth | pfft |
| 17:06.12 | kergoth | from, in this case |
| 17:06.24 | treke | oh from should work right. to could be a problem :) |
| 17:06.29 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 17:06.38 | kergoth | it ssh's in, calls scp -f -v filename |
| 17:06.41 | kergoth | that scp hangs |
| 17:06.43 | kergoth | quite odd |
| 17:07.14 | treke | hmmm |
| 17:07.45 | treke | fsck |
| 17:07.48 | kergoth | er, i'm running scp on my box |
| 17:07.50 | kergoth | into yours |
| 17:07.54 | kergoth | to get a file from you to me |
| 17:08.01 | treke | yeah that's not going to work |
| 17:08.05 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 17:08.09 | kergoth | i'll scp from rather than to then |
| 17:08.23 | nikki | how big is the oz buildroot? |
| 17:08.25 | treke | because the ip you ssh into is not my machine. It's a server that starts another ssh session into my box |
| 17:08.31 | kergoth | aha |
| 17:08.32 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 17:08.47 | treke | brb. meeting |
| 17:12.41 | aman | argh |
| 17:12.43 | aman | kergoth |
| 17:12.50 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:13.02 | aman | can ou update todo with this stuff: |
| 17:13.08 | kergoth | hey my update-alternatives version of busybox works |
| 17:13.08 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 17:13.12 | aman | * Try applying the ported jffs2 (from .19 to .7) to .6 |
| 17:13.16 | kergoth | k |
| 17:13.17 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.18 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.18 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.18 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.18 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.18 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.20 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.26 | aman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.31 | aman | thanks |
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| 17:38.58 | kergoth | TODO updated: http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 17:46.38 | treke | back |
| 17:55.02 | kergoth | okay, tslib doesnt use runtime device detection anymore |
| 17:55.17 | kergoth | now it creates packages for the machine type in question, with a /etc/profile/tslib.sh for that machine |
| 17:57.47 | treke | ibot, pester mickeyl|away |
| 17:57.49 | | mickeyl|away: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 18:00.05 | treke | kergoth: should config.in dependencies reflect package dependencies, or build depenencies? |
| 18:01.04 | kergoth | build |
| 18:01.08 | treke | ok |
| 18:01.20 | kergoth | as those are used to generate makefile target prerequisites that control the build order |
| 18:01.42 | treke | ok. then I can move some stuff back into the kernel-ipaq package |
| 18:02.07 | treke | I had been using package dependcies which changes things a bit :) |
| 18:02.18 | kergoth | ah, yep |
| 18:02.29 | kergoth | often they're the same, but not always |
| 18:02.48 | treke | since I dont need things like hotplug and mount to build some of these little ipaq specific packages |
| 18:03.00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:03.12 | treke | no point polluting the namespace :) |
| 18:03.33 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:03.43 | kergoth | how are you naming packages that go along with -modules packages? |
| 18:03.48 | kergoth | like accompanying scripts and stuff |
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| 18:06.13 | _PsyJob | foood was good |
| 18:11.59 | _PsyJob | big TODO |
| 18:12.07 | _PsyJob | seem thats will take months hehe |
| 18:12.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:12.13 | kergoth | thats not everything |
| 18:12.19 | kergoth | just everything i could think of |
| 18:12.28 | kergoth | i'll add more as i remember them |
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| 18:12.57 | _PsyJob | 13h15 ! |
| 18:13.04 | _PsyJob | getting my car after work |
| 18:13.06 | kergoth | hey numatrix |
| 18:13.08 | kergoth | _PsyJob: nice |
| 18:13.13 | _PsyJob | cant wait |
| 18:13.19 | _PsyJob | trying to kill time at work |
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| 18:15.32 | kergoth | bipolar: yo |
| 18:15.44 | kergoth | bipolar: mplayer and xmms-e may build.. pnis pushed a bunch of changes |
| 18:16.05 | _PsyJob | cool mplayer was not last night but was not looking a bit issue :) |
| 18:16.20 | kergoth | i'll play with it. we need a feed update |
| 18:17.19 | bipolar | kergoth: cool |
| 18:17.29 | bipolar | kergoth: is libssl fixed too? |
| 18:17.32 | kergoth | yes |
| 18:17.35 | kergoth | we have libssl 0.9.7 |
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| 18:17.39 | kergoth | and openssh 3.6.1p1 |
| 18:17.41 | _PsyJob | oh nice |
| 18:17.47 | kergoth | ipkg now supports architecture handling |
| 18:17.51 | kergoth | busybox now uses update-alternatives |
| 18:18.00 | _PsyJob | gnuboy was not good too, but not veyr important hehe |
| 18:18.01 | kergoth | spiffiness |
| 18:18.05 | kergoth | yeah, qtopiagnuboy is hosed astm |
| 18:18.06 | kergoth | atm |
| 18:18.06 | _PsyJob | i wanted to ask |
| 18:18.17 | bipolar | ok... I'll start building now. :) |
| 18:18.18 | kergoth | but i believe numatrix is working on that, right? |
| 18:18.21 | _PsyJob | hmmm sysvinit or tinylogin i should use ? |
| 18:18.43 | treke | kergoth: so far I've only had the nvrd stuff and those have just been named nvrd-RAM-STORAGE |
| 18:18.43 | _PsyJob | or that was womething else forgot |
| 18:18.52 | kergoth | treke: k |
| 18:18.57 | treke | kergoth: But thats part of the stuff that's being moved, so I can change it |
| 18:18.59 | kergoth | _PsyJob: yes, you need sysvinit and tinylogin |
| 18:19.08 | treke | and then each one of them provides nvrd |
| 18:19.34 | _PsyJob | wrong one then, i was trying to build the image and thats told me i alreayd had sysvinit i didnt needed tinylogin or something else |
| 18:19.39 | _PsyJob | maybe i have the wrong package |
| 18:19.50 | treke | the modules themselves are in the kernel-image package iirc |
| 18:20.01 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:20.07 | kergoth | should probably add a new modules category for it |
| 18:20.27 | treke | they used to be in kernel-modules |
| 18:20.54 | kergoth | if they arent in a specific category, they'll get hit by the base-modules build |
| 18:20.56 | bipolar | kergoth: it looks like the default config now has qt/e set to use tslib... is that correct to use or should I disable it? |
| 18:21.07 | kergoth | bipolar: hold on a moment |
| 18:21.51 | kergoth | bipolar: also, you're going to want to rebuild all the ipks, due to their using the architecture field now |
| 18:21.57 | kergoth | they arent _arm.ipk anymore |
| 18:21.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:22.25 | bipolar | kergoth: NP... I'm starting from mrproper anyway. :) |
| 18:22.31 | kergoth | k |
| 18:22.44 | kergoth | bipolar: keep tslib disabled for now. disable its use for qt/e |
| 18:22.54 | bipolar | k... |
| 18:22.57 | kergoth | bipolar: i'm switching us to it globally, but i need to do testing first |
| 18:23.25 | treke | yeah its base-modules |
| 18:23.38 | kergoth | k |
| 18:23.50 | kergoth | should probably create nvrd-modules or simply ramdisk-modules or something |
| 18:23.56 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:24.43 | treke | yeah, atm base-modules is all the stuff thats pretty ipaq dependent |
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| 18:25.21 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.34 | treke | ~bitchslap trolltech |
| 18:25.39 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of trolltech |
| 18:25.44 | treke | ~pester westmont to get their ds3 |
| 18:25.46 | | westmont to get their ds3: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 18:26.01 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:26.35 | kergoth | ibot: heh $who $rest is <action> beats $who for $rest |
| 18:26.36 | | kergoth: okay |
| 18:26.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:26.44 | kergoth | ibot: heh treke for pestering |
| 18:26.46 | | ACTION beats treke for for pestering |
| 18:26.49 | kergoth | hey cool |
| 18:26.55 | kergoth | it works |
| 18:26.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:27.34 | chouimat|lunch] | ibot: heh kergoth for being himself |
| 18:27.38 | | ACTION beats kergoth for for being himself |
| 18:27.38 | noidd | hey kergorg |
| 18:27.38 | kergoth | ibot: pester $who for $rest is <reply> $who: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 18:27.40 | | $who for $rest is <reply> $who: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 18:27.51 | kergoth | ibot: pester $who for $rest is <reply> $who: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 18:27.52 | | $who for $rest is <reply> $who: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 18:27.54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:27.56 | kergoth | bah |
| 18:28.00 | kergoth | ibot: forget pester $nick |
| 18:28.00 | | i didn't have anything called 'pester $nick', kergoth |
| 18:28.03 | kergoth | ibot: forget pester $who |
| 18:28.03 | | i didn't have anything called 'pester $who', kergoth |
| 18:28.06 | kergoth | grr |
| 18:28.22 | yeiazel | ibot: please excuse kergoth, he's dumb |
| 18:28.24 | | bugger all, i dunno, yeiazel |
| 18:28.34 | chouimat|lunch] | ~lart yeiazel |
| 18:28.37 | noidd | kergoth: I have success... I have perl cross-compiled with no warnings etc |
| 18:28.46 | kergoth | really? |
| 18:28.54 | noidd | really |
| 18:28.57 | yeiazel | poking stick rocks !!! :) |
| 18:29.26 | kergoth | PicoBot: poke |
| 18:29.26 | PicoBot | kergoth: sorry... |
| 18:29.32 | noidd | so, how would you like this source tree delivered to you? |
| 18:29.32 | kergoth | PicoBot: faq? |
| 18:29.33 | PicoBot | bugger all, i dunno, kergoth |
| 18:29.37 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:29.37 | treke | ibot, please exxcuse chouimat|lunch]m he's french-canadian |
| 18:29.38 | | treke: i don't know |
| 18:29.43 | kergoth | noidd: email |
| 18:29.45 | yeiazel | chouimat|lunch]: argh nooo :) |
| 18:29.50 | kergoth | diff, tarbazll, whatever |
| 18:30.21 | noidd | ok, i'm in the process of writint the bit that actually creates the .ipk etc |
| 18:30.33 | kergoth | noidd: not working within buildroot i take it? |
| 18:30.50 | kergoth | buildroot builds the ipk for you, you just make sure the files are in the right place |
| 18:30.56 | noidd | kergoth: it will be working in buildroot shortly |
| 18:31.08 | kergoth | k |
| 18:31.26 | noidd | kergoth: at the moment its just make ; make more |
| 18:31.39 | noidd | so have to write a wrapper for it |
| 18:32.07 | noidd | ok, getting this finished |
| 18:32.25 | kergoth | crosscompiled perl.. thats impressive |
| 18:32.31 | kergoth | perl's buildsystem frightens me |
| 18:32.52 | noiddAWAY | perl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs) # :-) |
| 18:33.02 | kergoth | oo |
| 18:33.04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:33.21 | kergoth | now you need to make a perl ipk and an assload of perl modules ipks |
| 18:33.26 | kergoth | follow debian standard for this |
| 18:33.30 | kergoth | package naming and groupings |
| 18:33.33 | noiddAWAY | it required some modifications (read bastardisation) of Makefile.SH |
| 18:33.40 | kergoth | k |
| 18:35.34 | bipolar | kergoth: is OZ compiled with gcc 3.x an improvement? I was thinking about making another feed for it on my server since I don't use any closed source apps anyway. :) |
| 18:35.44 | noiddAWAY | only require is that you have /usr/bin/perl on your build machine :-/ |
| 18:35.58 | noiddAWAY | wasn't sure how you wanted me to deal with that depenancy |
| 18:36.30 | treke | bipolar: its still a pain if you use open source apps that arent in buildroot :) |
| 18:36.37 | noiddAWAY | i figured that re-installing your system perl every time you built buildroot was considered harmfull |
| 18:37.06 | treke | noiddAWAY: dont depend on perl being in /usr/bin :) |
| 18:37.14 | bipolar | treke: well... that can be remidied... :) |
| 18:37.18 | treke | then you can just specify in the requirements that perl is installed |
| 18:37.22 | treke | bipolar: yup :) |
| 18:37.38 | kergoth | noiddAWAY: we already require perl |
| 18:37.40 | noiddAWAY | guess I should natively compile perl then into /tmp/perl or something :-P |
| 18:37.44 | kergoth | noiddAWAY: for the buildsystem itself. |
| 18:37.50 | noiddAWAY | oh, cool - I won't stress it then |
| 18:38.00 | bipolar | I know of a few apps I would LOVE to have in the buildroot. |
| 18:38.03 | kergoth | bipolar: gcc 3.2 is _noticably_ faster |
| 18:38.03 | noiddAWAY | oh, I found a few bugs in buildroot too |
| 18:38.10 | kergoth | bipolar: having a gcc3 built feed would be good |
| 18:38.22 | bipolar | zsafe, the car mileage calculator, etc |
| 18:38.23 | noiddAWAY | mainly that the source files have disappeared for openssl |
| 18:38.24 | treke | bipolar: same here for my custom images :) |
| 18:38.37 | noiddAWAY | so you need to change the versions etc |
| 18:38.38 | treke | noiddAWAY: bk pull. kergoth fixed it last night |
| 18:38.47 | bipolar | kergoth: should we host a gcc3 feed on sf? |
| 18:38.58 | kergoth | bipolar: yes, but the filesystem structure doesnt really have a place for it yet |
| 18:39.15 | noiddAWAY | ok, I really should go away and do this |
| 18:39.22 | noiddAWAY | brb a few hours... nasty hacks at work |
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| 18:40.42 | ljp | boo |
| 18:41.13 | treke | bipolar: i mostly stopped using the gcc3 feed because it was a pita |
| 18:41.20 | treke | oh yeah and I wanted to play candy cruncher |
| 18:41.32 | bipolar | treke: candy cruncher? |
| 18:41.52 | bipolar | treke: do you have the authors email? See if he'll port it! :) |
| 18:42.04 | treke | its neo |
| 18:42.30 | bipolar | well then... that shouldn't be too hard... heh |
| 18:43.06 | numatrix | kergoth: I wasn't working on qtopiagnuboy; I was mainly looking into the sdl stuff, but I could take a look at qtopiagnuboy as well. |
| 18:45.56 | kergoth | oh thats right |
| 18:45.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:46.07 | kergoth | the qtopiagnuboy should be fixed already thanks to the fix from hcarty |
| 18:46.27 | _PsyJob | not fixed with hcarty keybord |
| 18:46.30 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:46.33 | _PsyJob | except if it fixed something else |
| 18:46.42 | kergoth | it fixed the hardware keys |
| 18:46.47 | _PsyJob | maybe i was building it wrong but i doubt heh eyeah |
| 18:46.50 | kergoth | for 5500, not guaranteed that itll work on a c700 |
| 18:46.54 | kergoth | did it fail to compile, or what? |
| 18:46.54 | _PsyJob | it was another thing that was stopping |
| 18:46.59 | _PsyJob | yep |
| 18:47.02 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:47.03 | kergoth | okay |
| 18:47.09 | kergoth | thats no big deal, i'll fix the compile prob |
| 18:47.24 | _PsyJob | yeah like i said it was looking a lttle fix not much |
| 18:47.42 | _PsyJob | i try to look at it when i get my c700 working again |
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| 18:51.53 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: probs? |
| 18:52.07 | STrRedWolf | Yeah. Rebooted the Zaurus and I got a login prompt. |
| 18:52.30 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:52.46 | bipolar | W00t! I found the last part that I need to do a bolt in swap of a 3.4ltr into my '88 fiero! yay! |
| 18:52.59 | STrRedWolf | I couldn't even get into the Zaurus. Tried logging in a root and it said /bin/sh couldn't be found. |
| 18:53.06 | kergoth | ouch |
| 18:53.10 | STrRedWolf | I betcha it's bash. |
| 18:53.15 | kergoth | ah, you installed bash? |
| 18:53.18 | STrRedWolf | Yep. |
| 18:53.19 | kergoth | could be |
| 18:53.32 | STrRedWolf | Bash likes to symlink sh to it. |
| 18:53.35 | kergoth | open a report in the bug trackin gsystem against bash |
| 18:53.35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:54.03 | STrRedWolf | Let me pull the .ipk I used, and see if it truly did that. |
| 18:54.08 | treke | good morning chouimat |
| 18:54.08 | kergoth | k |
| 18:54.57 | STrRedWolf | BTW, is there a bug concerning installing libraries into ram/cf/sd/etc and not rom? |
| 18:54.58 | chouimat | treke: let enjoy my joint in peace :) |
| 18:55.12 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: no |
| 18:55.19 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: works just fine unless you install to a vfat media |
| 18:55.30 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: in which case it fails because it cannot create the necessary symlinks |
| 18:56.00 | STrRedWolf | I was installing opie-mediaplayer to ram, which pulled the libs into ram too, and failed. |
| 18:56.11 | kergoth | never seen a problem with that |
| 18:56.14 | kergoth | ram is ext2 |
| 18:56.43 | STrRedWolf | It didn't put the symlinks in, alas. |
| 18:57.00 | kergoth | could be an aqpkg bug |
| 18:57.14 | kergoth | maybe it creates links for the package you installed but not its dependencies if they were automatically satisfied by ipkg |
| 18:57.18 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:57.26 | STrRedWolf | Half tempted to put in /mnt/ram/usr/lib into /etc/ld.config. |
| 18:57.46 | STrRedWolf | Correct, kergoth. |
| 18:57.47 | kergoth | s/ld.config/ld.so.conf/ |
| 18:57.50 | kergoth | you'd need libc6-utils also |
| 18:57.53 | kergoth | for ldconfig |
| 18:58.06 | kergoth | ldconfig is like 600k |
| 18:58.12 | kergoth | its statically linked by default and ends up huge |
| 18:58.29 | STrRedWolf | Nasty. |
| 18:59.38 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: i have a patch from pb_ that makes it shared.. its 25k |
| 18:59.40 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: hehe |
| 18:59.46 | kergoth | 600 -> 22 |
| 18:59.51 | kergoth | er 25 |
| 18:59.52 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:59.59 | STrRedWolf | Ooooo.... |
| 19:00.07 | STrRedWolf | Want that. |
| 19:00.20 | STrRedWolf | Is a gcc package in the works too? |
| 19:00.25 | kergoth | right now its only applied against glibc 2.3.1, which is only built for gcc3 build |
| 19:00.28 | kergoth | last night in fact |
| 19:00.31 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:00.32 | kergoth | i got the gcc ipk building |
| 19:00.42 | kergoth | its huge, and needs trimming, and we need -dev packages for our libraries |
| 19:01.01 | STrRedWolf | I'm glad I have a SD card. |
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| 19:01.05 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:01.43 | numatrix | kergoth: btw, I emailed you about the sdl stuff to your hh account; you have a chance to see that yet? |
| 19:01.50 | STrRedWolf | That reminds me... Will plain MMC cards work w/o the special driver from sharp? |
| 19:01.51 | thMachine | is there any hope to g++ being included in the gcc ipk? :o) |
| 19:01.52 | kergoth | yeah i saw, our existing patch sucks |
| 19:01.59 | kergoth | thMachine: it is. |
| 19:02.03 | kergoth | thMachine: we need to split it out |
| 19:02.04 | thMachine | :-D |
| 19:02.07 | kergoth | make the packaging more granular |
| 19:02.14 | chouimat | kergoth: http://www.bytesngrins.com/comptheme/pages/panicany1.html |
| 19:02.46 | kergoth | numatrix: feel free to kill the existing patch, add neo's, and update our cvs pull |
| 19:02.51 | numatrix | kergoth: Pretty much. Might want to disable the patch entirely for now, but leave it in there, and when either (a: I learn more about what the heck is going on, or b: Alexandre or Neo, or somebody else makes a better patch, or c: all the stuff that should be done gets added to the buildroot, we'll be all set. |
| 19:03.09 | kergoth | neo said current cvs and the patch he posted to hte ML will work |
| 19:03.11 | kergoth | as of last night |
| 19:03.56 | numatrix | kergoth: excellent. I guess locking cvs and adding the patch is the way to go and when his patch is in cvs we can update the cvs date. |
| 19:04.20 | kergoth | numatrix: exactly |
| 19:04.23 | numatrix | But that's ok, I'm at least trying, and I do have some small amount of time and desire to work on it. |
| 19:04.24 | chouimat | woooohoooo made thee webpal keyboard working with my PC |
| 19:04.26 | kergoth | where's this patch of his? |
| 19:04.34 | numatrix | lemme dig it up. |
| 19:06.00 | numatrix | kergoth: http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2003-March/053281.html |
| 19:06.17 | numatrix | Not the most convienant format, but small enough to copy/paste. |
| 19:06.33 | kergoth | yep, got it |
| 19:09.45 | _PsyJob | someone just posted how to get non-root opie working on opie saw that kergoth ? |
| 19:09.48 | STrRedWolf | Um... ipkg on OZ uses a different format, right? |
| 19:09.49 | kergoth | numatrix: okay, fixed in my local bk. i'm building opie atm, when its done i'll build libsdl-qte |
| 19:09.55 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: yes, they're ar archives |
| 19:10.14 | _PsyJob | well at least some basic advice ;) |
| 19:14.24 | numatrix | kergoth: sounds good; let me know when it's in the pub bk and I'll experiment with it. |
| 19:14.40 | kergoth | k |
| 19:15.37 | STrRedWolf | Yep, bash runs update-alternatives, which mucks around with the sh link. |
| 19:17.18 | bipolar | No such file `openssl_0.9.7a-6.diff.gz'. |
| 19:17.29 | treke | bipolar: update the debian revision |
| 19:17.32 | treke | its -1 not -6 |
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| 19:22.38 | kergoth | _PsyJob: looking at that email now |
| 19:23.02 | _PsyJob | not that its perfect but could give quick hint to fix the stuff |
| 19:23.12 | kergoth | _PsyJob: yep, it gets us a bit closer |
| 19:23.13 | _PsyJob | since i saw it in the todo |
| 19:23.17 | noiddd | too obvious |
| 19:25.21 | treke | kergoth: bk always chokes when I do cp build/linux-2.4.19 foo :) |
| 19:26.17 | kergoth | treke: ? |
| 19:27.11 | treke | it doesnt like seeing 300 megs worth the new files suddenly appearing. takes for fricken ever to load |
| 19:30.50 | _PsyJob | 14h30 ! |
| 19:33.54 | STrRedWolf | Hmmmm.... I should. |
| 19:37.38 | noiddd | buildroot++ ## Hmmm, make moenuconfig goodness |
| 19:37.45 | noiddd | err, menuconfig |
| 19:38.04 | bipolar | ok.. does this build error make any sense? |
| 19:38.12 | bipolar | In file included from e_idea.c:66: |
| 19:38.12 | bipolar | ../../include/openssl/idea.h:63: #error IDEA is disabled. |
| 19:38.12 | bipolar | make[4]: *** [e_idea.o] Error 1 |
| 19:38.13 | bipolar | make[4]: Leaving directory `/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/build/openssl-0.9.7a.orig/crypto/evp' |
| 19:38.22 | treke | yes |
| 19:38.27 | treke | it means openssl is broken :) |
| 19:38.36 | kergoth | eh, i just built openssl 0.9.7 last night |
| 19:38.43 | bipolar | 0.o |
| 19:38.44 | kergoth | you sure your tree is up to date? |
| 19:38.46 | noiddd | I had the same problem |
| 19:38.57 | kergoth | bk pull; bk -r co -q; |
| 19:38.59 | noiddd | bk -r co -q is a bk pull right? |
| 19:39.00 | bipolar | yes.. I just pulled |
| 19:39.01 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/openssl mprroper |
| 19:39.03 | kergoth | noiddd: NO |
| 19:39.05 | treke | noiddd: no |
| 19:39.06 | noiddd | aaaahhhh |
| 19:39.08 | treke | bk pull |
| 19:39.11 | kergoth | noiddd: thats a checkout from your _local_ repository |
| 19:39.12 | noiddd | that would explain the lack of updates :-) |
| 19:39.22 | bipolar | kergoth: I tried that already. :\ |
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| 19:39.51 | noiddd | I made it compile by removeing no-idea no-rc5 no-* from the makefile |
| 19:39.52 | bipolar | hmm... somethings up here if someone else can build it... |
| 19:39.55 | noiddd | but thats cheating :-) |
| 19:40.43 | noiddd | q |
| 19:42.21 | _PsyJob | anyone ever figured to flash directly with USB for the c700, i checked japanese support site today, nothing talk about it, i guess they added it for futur update |
| 19:42.45 | kergoth | noiddd: depends. are you producing one ipk or multiple? |
| 19:42.57 | noiddd | will be multiple |
| 19:43.00 | kergoth | look at glib2 or ipkg for single |
| 19:43.06 | kergoth | openssh for multiple |
| 19:43.07 | noiddd | I started with python |
| 19:43.09 | _PsyJob | oh was wondering |
| 19:43.11 | noiddd | ok, taking a look |
| 19:43.17 | _PsyJob | if i have glib2 on my image, do i need glib too ? |
| 19:43.59 | kergoth | _PsyJob: depends. |
| 19:44.09 | kergoth | openobex needs glib 1.2 |
| 19:44.15 | _PsyJob | liek some package could use glib and someohter glib2 |
| 19:44.15 | noiddd | You ahve a preference for me download the perl sources from debian respository? |
| 19:44.17 | _PsyJob | yeah ok |
| 19:44.21 | _PsyJob | thats what i thought |
| 19:44.22 | noiddd | or drag from cpan |
| 19:44.23 | noiddd | ? |
| 19:44.39 | kergoth | noiddd: doesnt matter much, but you should look at debian in general for its package naming |
| 19:44.44 | noiddd | ok |
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| 19:45.39 | noiddd | Hmm, I don;t think i'm using bitkeeper properly |
| 19:45.46 | kergoth | bk add newfile |
| 19:45.52 | kergoth | bk edit changing file |
| 19:45.53 | kergoth | *make chagnes* |
| 19:45.57 | kergoth | bk ci -y"message" changedfile |
| 19:46.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:46.19 | noiddd | and that will work without write access?w |
| 19:46.33 | kergoth | noiddd: your Local dir IS A REPOSITORY |
| 19:46.41 | kergoth | noiddd: you do have access to your own hard disk, right? |
| 19:46.51 | kergoth | you're checking files into and out of your local repos |
| 19:46.53 | kergoth | not from mine. |
| 19:46.53 | noiddd | yeah, hey - this is my first time using bk :-P |
| 19:47.10 | kergoth | read the ibot logs for this channel, ive pratically tought bk intro classes in here |
| 19:47.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:47.16 | kergoth | bk clone is not like cvs co |
| 19:47.17 | noiddd | hahah |
| 19:47.21 | kergoth | bk co/edit is like cvs co |
| 19:47.31 | kergoth | bk clone is like tarring up the remote repository and pulling it down |
| 19:47.39 | noiddd | should I have a different checkout directory to where I cloned then? |
| 19:47.42 | kergoth | and subsequently doign operations on your local version of that repos |
| 19:47.42 | kergoth | no |
| 19:47.46 | yeiazel | kergoth: you could write a "BK Howto" :) |
| 19:47.48 | kergoth | you check out files iwthin the repository |
| 19:47.53 | noiddd | ah, ok |
| 19:47.55 | kergoth | which is another deviation from cvs |
| 19:48.01 | noiddd | sortof like rcs |
| 19:48.02 | kergoth | because you can clone, theres no need to seperate checkout from repos |
| 19:48.08 | kergoth | its SCCS based, not rcs |
| 19:48.22 | noiddd | I like SCCS, thats good |
| 19:48.24 | _PsyJob | bk ci to push a file i thought it was a bk pull, bk resolve bk push ;) |
| 19:48.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:48.42 | kergoth | bk ci is checkign in local changes into your local repository |
| 19:48.47 | kergoth | bk add is adding new files to your local repos |
| 19:48.48 | _PsyJob | ok |
| 19:48.50 | _PsyJob | nm got it |
| 19:48.53 | noiddd | and push and pull sync to your respos right? ie - wont work |
| 19:48.56 | kergoth | bk commit is wrapping up a ton of changes into a ChagneSet |
| 19:49.12 | kergoth | pull/push send and receive ChangeSets to and from the repository you cloned this one from |
| 19:49.17 | kergoth | it syncs the two repositories |
| 19:49.21 | noiddd | ah, gotcha |
| 19:49.22 | _PsyJob | when i push a file, |
| 19:49.27 | _PsyJob | you got a notice or something |
| 19:49.31 | kergoth | youd ont push a file. |
| 19:49.32 | _PsyJob | then you "give your ok on it" ? |
| 19:49.35 | kergoth | you push a changesets |
| 19:49.38 | kergoth | which consists of changes |
| 19:49.43 | _PsyJob | yeah changesets thats what i said =p |
| 19:49.54 | kergoth | those changes may be a new file, or just changes to existing files |
| 19:49.56 | noiddd | So, I can create changesets - but without the ability to write - can I email these changeset files to you? |
| 19:50.09 | kergoth | noiddd: bk export -tpatch -r[changeset # as viewed with bk changes] |
| 19:50.12 | kergoth | noiddd: > patch |
| 19:50.21 | noiddd | cool - ok, thanks for the primer :-) |
| 19:50.25 | kergoth | noiddd: or bk send -r[changeset #] kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 19:50.44 | kergoth | then i call bk receive, which pulls your changeset into my repos while retaining your comments |
| 19:50.47 | noiddd | thats pretty sweet actually |
| 19:50.49 | kergoth | then i push that upstream to the repos on bkbits |
| 19:50.51 | kergoth | the key is |
| 19:50.53 | kergoth | bkbits isnt special |
| 19:50.57 | kergoth | its just one of many repositories |
| 19:51.02 | kergoth | it just happens to be on a web server |
| 19:51.25 | kergoth | in fact, i've had to delete that one and copy my local tree up there, when it got corrupted once |
| 19:51.28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:51.34 | kergoth | its more peer based than client/server |
| 19:51.38 | kergoth | you exchange things with other peers |
| 19:52.00 | kergoth | bipolar: uhm |
| 19:52.02 | noiddd | hmm, Entire repository is locked by: |
| 19:52.02 | noiddd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.05 | kergoth | bipolar: i just cloned a brand new tree |
| 19:52.09 | kergoth | bipolar: and downlaoded and built openssl. |
| 19:52.13 | kergoth | noiddd: bk resolve |
| 19:52.16 | treke | noiddd: bk resolve |
| 19:52.18 | kergoth | noiddd: or.. look at the output of the pull |
| 19:52.26 | kergoth | noiddd: you may have tried to pull with unchecked in changes |
| 19:52.31 | bipolar | kergoth: strange... |
| 19:52.39 | noiddd | Yeah - I was editing without any checkouts |
| 19:52.40 | kergoth | noiddd: you have to bk ci your changes so that it can resolve possible conflicts between those changes and the stuff coming from upstream |
| 19:52.41 | bipolar | kergoth: ok.. I'll wipe my tree and start over. |
| 19:53.01 | _PsyJob | thanks for the leeson |
| 19:53.01 | noiddd | bk diff or something should do that |
| 19:53.08 | _PsyJob | i will just remember the half of it, but thats good |
| 19:53.12 | kergoth | bk diffs shows you changes taht you havent checked in |
| 19:53.23 | noiddd | kergoth: shows no changes |
| 19:53.24 | kergoth | but bk cant do anything with them until they're checked into the repository |
| 19:53.25 | _PsyJob | learned a lots ! |
| 19:53.30 | kergoth | noiddd: bk -r diffs |
| 19:53.34 | kergoth | noiddd: bk diffs is current dir only |
| 19:53.38 | kergoth | noiddd: -r is recurse |
| 19:53.46 | noiddd | still nothing |
| 19:53.51 | kergoth | then you have a conflict |
| 19:53.52 | kergoth | bk resolve |
| 19:53.54 | noiddd | I probably broke it by editing without checkout |
| 19:53.55 | kergoth | like i just said |
| 19:54.02 | kergoth | thats impossible. |
| 19:54.06 | kergoth | if the file exists |
| 19:54.08 | kergoth | its checked out |
| 19:54.10 | noiddd | sane: not in a BitKeeper repository |
| 19:54.15 | kergoth | maybe its not *locked for editing* |
| 19:54.17 | kergoth | but its checked out |
| 19:54.57 | noiddd | I thik I really broke it |
| 19:55.16 | noiddd | yeah - but I wrote directly to it - even when it warned that the files were readonly |
| 19:55.29 | noiddd | so its my own stupid fault |
| 19:55.48 | kergoth | yeah, when they're read only, you need to bk edit |
| 19:55.48 | noiddd | ls |
| 19:55.49 | kergoth | _then_ edit |
| 19:55.53 | kergoth | but you can recover |
| 19:55.54 | kergoth | those files |
| 19:56.00 | kergoth | mv changedfile changedfile.safe |
| 19:56.00 | noiddd | yup - like sccs and rcs |
| 19:56.03 | kergoth | bk edit changedfile |
| 19:56.06 | kergoth | mv changedfile.safe changedfile |
| 19:56.10 | kergoth | bk ci -y"changes" changedfile |
| 19:56.24 | noiddd | the problem is knowing which files |
| 19:56.33 | kergoth | course you'll need to chmod 644 it, being the mv will retain the bad perms |
| 19:56.41 | kergoth | noiddd: bk -r co -q |
| 19:56.48 | kergoth | noiddd: er actually |
| 19:56.50 | kergoth | noiddd: bk -r edit -q |
| 19:56.53 | kergoth | noiddd: it'll error on the hosed ones |
| 19:56.55 | kergoth | should anyway |
| 19:57.48 | noiddd | bk -r co -q ## Hosed all my changes |
| 19:57.51 | noiddd | which is fine |
| 19:57.57 | noiddd | saves the full download etc |
| 19:58.08 | chouimat | man this friady afternoon is boring |
| 19:58.20 | noiddd | thanks again, hacking away |
| 19:58.33 | kergoth | noiddd: before you get used to it you'll find yourself cursing and occasionally recloneing your repos |
| 19:58.41 | kergoth | noiddd: but once you get hte hang of it, it rocks |
| 19:59.01 | noiddd | I like the concept of being able to commit to a local repository |
| 19:59.09 | kergoth | you dont need branches |
| 19:59.16 | kergoth | just clone yourself some local repositories |
| 19:59.23 | noiddd | one of the HUGE porblems I have when working with CVS is that you don't have access to version control unless you have write-acces |
| 19:59.27 | kergoth | i keep one parent repos that does the push/pulls from upstream |
| 19:59.36 | kergoth | and my other repositories push/pull to/from that parent one |
| 19:59.39 | noiddd | ie, you can only make one set of changes ata time, which is a prize pita |
| 19:59.47 | kergoth | so i can confirm a changeset is good before pushing it to bkbits |
| 20:02.19 | noiddd | do you have to bk add directories like cvs, or not like rcs/cvs |
| 20:02.32 | kergoth | just add the files |
| 20:02.35 | noiddd | ok |
| 20:02.44 | kergoth | it automatically gets rid of empty dirs.. like cvs with -P default |
| 20:02.50 | kergoth | so if you need one, add a placeholder |
| 20:03.04 | noiddd | .keep or the like |
| 20:03.09 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:03.12 | kergoth | you have bk mv, bk mvdir |
| 20:03.12 | noiddd | :-) |
| 20:03.18 | kergoth | and proper rename handling |
| 20:03.20 | kergoth | unlike cvs |
| 20:03.25 | noiddd | cvs rename is evil |
| 20:06.01 | scanline | bk's license is evil.. |
| 20:06.02 | ljp_work | I dont think cvs has remane does it? |
| 20:06.08 | ljp_work | rename |
| 20:06.27 | scanline | if I send in a patch to svn, I would have to stop using bk |
| 20:07.39 | treke | yup |
| 20:07.47 | treke | so dont send a aptch to svn |
| 20:08.01 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:08.12 | kergoth | you'd lose your free license anyway. to continue using it you'd have to pay |
| 20:08.46 | scanline | the only thing I use bk for is to make OZ snapshots.. so if I get around to implementing a feature I'd like to write for svn you'd just have to find someone else to make snapshots :) |
| 20:09.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:09.15 | scanline | treke: I'd like to add a ViewCVS-like web interface to the svn apache2 module... |
| 20:09.17 | bipolar | I thought that the license only applied to using bk to improve a competitor. |
| 20:09.37 | kergoth | no, its contributing to a competitor in any wya, from what i understand. |
| 20:09.37 | scanline | bipolar: nope |
| 20:09.44 | masticator | thank god its friday |
| 20:09.58 | scanline | treke: I love subversion, and if I can improve it there's no way bk's going to stop me |
| 20:10.00 | bipolar | ouch... are you sure? thats rather driconian |
| 20:10.08 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:10.16 | bipolar | damn.... |
| 20:10.22 | bipolar | why are we using bk again? |
| 20:10.24 | kergoth | you lose your free bk license if you contribute to svn or cvs |
| 20:10.27 | bipolar | :) |
| 20:10.32 | kergoth | because svn was buggy as fuck when i started this |
| 20:10.35 | kergoth | and cvs is worthless |
| 20:10.45 | scanline | kergoth: I've been using svn a lot lately.. it's great |
| 20:10.53 | kergoth | i use the tool that fits the need, and dont have any qualms or 'moral' issues with bk |
| 20:11.09 | sieve | kergoth: you still want bug reports or should I post them to the mailing list or SF? |
| 20:11.26 | scanline | kergoth: you're fine if there are people that can't easily contribute to OZ just because they helped svn or cvs? |
| 20:11.28 | kergoth | sieve: OZ bugs go in SF, for tracking reasons |
| 20:11.35 | sieve | k |
| 20:11.36 | hugh | This is VERY werid, the FreeS/WAN team is talking about SCCS/CVS/etc. right NOW. Ghods, what a mess. |
| 20:13.38 | kergoth | scanline: there is a modified gnu cssc that can manipulate bk repositories |
| 20:13.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:13.47 | kergoth | i'm sure larry isnt happy about it |
| 20:14.02 | scanline | kergoth: heard about that... so why don't you use it instead of bk? |
| 20:14.13 | treke | scrproblem is its a pain tos wtich |
| 20:14.17 | treke | scanline: |
| 20:14.22 | kergoth | 1) need a place other than bkbits |
| 20:14.28 | kergoth | 2) need to write bettter scripts for it |
| 20:14.32 | kergoth | cause right now they suck |
| 20:14.52 | scanline | kergoth: so if someone did contribute to svn or cvs, they would be at a disadvantage in the OZ project |
| 20:15.03 | kergoth | scanline: yep |
| 20:15.07 | scanline | I hate that |
| 20:15.24 | treke | ok. openssl *does* compile |
| 20:15.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:15.36 | kergoth | good, glad to hear confirmation |
| 20:15.39 | kergoth | now we know its just bipolar |
| 20:15.42 | kergoth | ~fishslap bipolar |
| 20:15.43 | | ACTION slaps bipolar up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 20:15.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:16.12 | scanline | kergoth: I'd suggest asking on the mailing list for someone to host the svn... it worked for picogui's web site :) |
| 20:16.24 | scanline | heck, if a machine in my dorm room is good enough I'd host it |
| 20:16.32 | treke | scanline: even if svn now works great, switching would involve losing all the history |
| 20:16.37 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:16.46 | kergoth | i'd rather improve the bk interoperability scripts |
| 20:16.49 | scanline | you could still get to the history via bk if you wanted to |
| 20:16.58 | scanline | but it couldn't be that important |
| 20:18.00 | treke | how much does a single user license for bk run, anyways? |
| 20:18.09 | kergoth | good question |
| 20:19.49 | treke | now a good time to switch if it would ever be realistic would be when the new buildsystem is ready to go |
| 20:21.51 | ljp_work | ya, try that with vim, eh?! |
| 20:22.13 | treke | kergoth: you could give the book to a poor unpriviliged emacs user who wants to reform |
| 20:22.35 | ljp_work | those people are non existant |
| 20:22.36 | kergoth | ah, true |
| 20:23.32 | bipolar | treke: whats the new buildsystem? |
| 20:23.52 | treke | bipolar: the replacement for buildroot that schurig is working on |
| 20:23.57 | kergoth | bipolar: openembedded.org |
| 20:24.13 | masticator | pico rules! |
| 20:24.22 | kergoth | s/pico/nano/ |
| 20:24.24 | chouimat|bored | hey masticator |
| 20:24.28 | treke | s/nano/vim |
| 20:24.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:24.34 | masticator | whazzup. |
| 20:24.39 | STrRedWolf | s/vim/$EDITOR/ |
| 20:24.49 | ljp_work | someone should port edit from dos |
| 20:24.50 | chouimat|bored | masticator: just cleaning my appartment |
| 20:24.54 | masticator | my wife is making chili, this could be an exciting day. |
| 20:24.56 | treke | ljp_work: someone did |
| 20:24.58 | kergoth | s/$EDITOR/sed/ |
| 20:25.10 | STrRedWolf | export EDITOR=sed |
| 20:25.11 | treke | ljp_work: lookup the uedit flamerware on groups.google.com sometimes |
| 20:25.16 | ljp_work | I use emacs in dos |
| 20:25.16 | kergoth | masticator: i'll have 5600 rom for you soon |
| 20:25.23 | masticator | oh mega cool. |
| 20:25.27 | masticator | you've made progress? |
| 20:25.28 | kergoth | masticator: running opie on my c700 now |
| 20:25.38 | treke | kergoth: is it faster than qtopia? |
| 20:25.39 | ljp_work | groovie |
| 20:25.44 | kergoth | treke: yes |
| 20:25.48 | kergoth | it loads faster, and feels faster |
| 20:25.49 | masticator | apparently, sharp is going to release a new 5500 rom that uses the 5600 softwre apps |
| 20:25.58 | masticator | tehy are in the middle of testing it internally |
| 20:26.01 | kergoth | masticator: not with the 2.4.18 kernel eh? |
| 20:26.02 | chouimat|bored | ok back to terrorizing the cat with the vaccum cleaner |
| 20:26.04 | kergoth | masticator: :) |
| 20:26.05 | masticator | no idea if they upgradd the kernel or not |
| 20:26.09 | masticator | I would imagine not |
| 20:26.16 | kergoth | hoping for that fucking 2.4.18 sd module for collie |
| 20:26.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:26.34 | masticator | they just arent that bright |
| 20:26.53 | bipolar | do sharp rom updates usually include a zImage? |
| 20:27.03 | STrRedWolf | Yep. |
| 20:27.24 | treke | 2.4.18 would probably involve contracting out to lineo again, wouldnt it? |
| 20:27.30 | ljp_work | ooh, I'm special.. my comment got modded up on /. |
| 20:27.36 | kergoth | all they have to do is extract their existing sources |
| 20:27.46 | kergoth | treke: the 2.4.18 kernel for c700/5600 has collie support |
| 20:27.46 | ljp_work | lineo doesnt exist |
| 20:27.50 | chouimat|bored | ljp_work: huh? |
| 20:27.54 | kergoth | treke: all they have to do is extract it anad build the module against it |
| 20:28.03 | ljp_work | metrowerks |
| 20:28.36 | treke | kergoth: these are afterall the people who thought it was a good idea to hardcode the ramdisk size into the kernel image |
| 20:29.05 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:29.26 | treke | hmm. this makefile is starting to get big |
| 20:29.50 | kergoth | what makefile? |
| 20:29.55 | treke | kernel-ipaq |
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| 20:30.02 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 20:30.18 | treke | now that I'm adding usbnet and nvrd into it. time for a little reorganization |
| 20:30.24 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:31.04 | treke | would be a good time to add a proper clean target also :) |
| 20:31.57 | kergoth | ljp_work: yeah. name the cat 'dog' too |
| 20:32.21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: you can create an alias from masticator to jasonnj so that you can use nickserv/chanserv |
| 20:32.24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:33.40 | _PsyJob | ooh 15h33 ! |
| 20:33.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:33.56 | _PsyJob | damn time goes slow today |
| 20:34.30 | SuKoShi | yup |
| 20:34.37 | treke | bye bye mspencer :) |
| 20:35.09 | chouimat|bored | me try to understand what happened but .... |
| 20:35.56 | masticator | enough of that shit |
| 20:36.02 | chouimat|bored | masticator: ok |
| 20:36.55 | _PsyJob | whats up with mspencer ? |
| 20:37.27 | chouimat|bored | _Psycho: i think that between mspencer and masticator |
| 20:37.52 | _PsyJob | most likely was just wondering |
| 20:38.02 | masticator | psy: he's a troll |
| 20:38.11 | chouimat|bored | masticator: ok |
| 20:38.34 | _PsyJob | shrug |
| 20:38.55 | Dessimat0r | whats going down in OE land? o_O |
| 20:39.04 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: spiffiness |
| 20:39.06 | _PsyJob | check the new TODO ! |
| 20:39.07 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:39.08 | _PsyJob | ;) |
| 20:40.09 | chouimat|bored | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 20:40.12 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -4 C (24 F), windspeed is 9.66 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.04.04 2000 UTC). |
| 20:40.20 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: someone mentioned |
| 20:40.23 | _PsyJob | god it suck outiside |
| 20:40.29 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: that having to specify weather to a weatherbot is redundant |
| 20:40.32 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: :) |
| 20:40.40 | Dessimat0r | where is the todo, anyway? Can't see it on the OZ site |
| 20:40.48 | kergoth | ibot: oz todo |
| 20:40.53 | | oz todo is, like, http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 20:40.53 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: :P |
| 20:40.57 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 20:41.00 | Dessimat0r | thanks ;) |
| 20:41.20 | Dessimat0r | w00, nice |
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| 20:42.01 | chouimat|bored | _Psycho: tomorrow will sucks more |
| 20:42.20 | _PsyJob | chouimat i know i know but TOMOROW is saturday ! |
| 20:42.25 | _PsyJob | ibot saturday |
| 20:42.25 | | methinks saturday is the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 20:42.40 | treke | methinks ibot is right |
| 20:42.51 | chouimat|bored | _PsyJob: but 25 cm of white shit |
| 20:43.01 | chouimat|bored | s/white shit/snow |
| 20:43.22 | Dessimat0r | Sunday dosen't suck so much either ;) |
| 20:43.40 | kergoth | ibot: sunday |
| 20:43.40 | | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 20:43.46 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 20:45.09 | treke | ibot friday? |
| 20:45.11 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 20:45.44 | chouimat|bored | ibot thursday |
| 20:45.45 | | Thursday sucks, because it isnt friday (See friday). |
| 20:45.50 | _PsyJob | kergoth was a lots negative writing that ;) |
| 20:45.59 | chouimat|bored | ibot wednesday |
| 20:46.00 | | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 20:46.08 | STrRedWolf | ibot monday |
| 20:46.10 | | monday is, like, when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people |
| 20:46.20 | chouimat|bored | ibot tuesday |
| 20:46.21 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday) |
| 20:46.31 | STrRedWolf | ibot saturday |
| 20:46.32 | | it has been said that saturday is the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
| 20:47.25 | STrRedWolf | heheh |
| 20:48.04 | Dessimat0r | ibot u |
| 20:48.07 | | from memory, u is the stupidest bastard. |
| 20:48.23 | treke | ibot MarkNovak? |
| 20:48.24 | | rumour has it, marknovak is not here but he left his legacy at http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/novak.htm |
| 20:48.29 | treke | ibot ulyx? |
| 20:48.30 | | i own ulyx |
| 20:50.32 | ljp_work | weekends should be three days |
| 20:50.44 | Dessimat0r | yeah :/ |
| 20:50.55 | Dessimat0r | i bet work performance would increase also |
| 20:51.04 | Dessimat0r | if it was three days, its not a good balance atm |
| 20:51.05 | ljp_work | yup |
| 20:51.06 | treke | no it wouldnt |
| 20:51.13 | ljp_work | yes it would |
| 20:51.15 | Dessimat0r | you would be more restful |
| 20:51.17 | treke | we'd just beg for four |
| 20:51.27 | treke | people rest on weekends? |
| 20:51.34 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:51.43 | ljp_work | well, we should only work one day, and the rest be a weekend |
| 20:51.58 | ljp_work | one day week, I like that |
| 20:52.14 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:52.22 | _PsyJob | its all about $$ |
| 20:52.46 | treke | that and which projects I work on |
| 20:53.10 | Dessimat0r | Herzburg's Hierarchy of Needs :P |
| 20:53.32 | chouimat|bored | who the fuck is marknovak? |
| 20:53.42 | treke | a real fucko |
| 20:53.45 | Dessimat0r | chouimat|bored: sounds russian |
| 20:54.11 | yakito | the busy box that solves the problem with fbvncserver is on the testint or unstable feeds ? |
| 20:54.30 | kergoth | both |
| 20:54.35 | kergoth | right now, testing = unstable |
| 20:54.38 | Dessimat0r | IN SOVIET RUSSIA, marknovak hates YOU! |
| 20:56.10 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: yes. |
| 20:56.18 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: read the mailing list archive |
| 20:56.28 | STrRedWolf | It's off of source forge, right? |
| 20:56.33 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:56.34 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:56.42 | chouimat|bored | treke: very fun reading |
| 20:59.50 | treke | kergoth: hehe. familiar is using a bit more compressed ipaqarch listing :) |
| 20:59.50 | kergoth | yeah, i know |
| 20:59.51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:59.57 | _PsyJob | 16h00 omg time to call my taxi pack my stuff and stuff ! =p |
| 21:00.02 | _PsyJob | see yout onight *maybe* |
| 21:00.05 | Neo|Work | why is mark novak up on the table again? |
| 21:00.16 | kergoth | that reminds me, should add all to arch.conf.* |
| 21:01.47 | chouimat|bored | hmmm going outside to pay the bills or watching Shogun on tv? |
| 21:01.50 | kergoth | hm, i need to move the arch.conf -> output/ipkg.conf stuff into ipkg-x86 rather than ipkg |
| 21:01.55 | kergoth | or perhaps ipkg-utils even |
| 21:02.14 | kergoth | as it needs to be done before the build of other apps, cause they look to output/ipkg.conf to locate the current machine type |
| 21:04.31 | numatrix | kergoth: btw, how is the battery life on the c700? Taken it out on battery long enough to find out? |
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| 21:06.03 | sheenmaster | kergoth: where did the kismet frontend go? |
| 21:06.49 | kergoth | sheenmaster: didnt compile or something at the time we updated the feeds |
| 21:07.22 | sheenmaster | I there an archive feed or something I could grab it out've? |
| 21:07.32 | sheenmaster | out of* |
| 21:07.41 | kergoth | official/old/ |
| 21:07.44 | kergoth | on openzaurus.org |
| 21:09.06 | sheenmaster | thx |
| 21:10.22 | numatrix | sheenmaster: also, all the old feeds for each of the previous versions is available on zaurii.com/oz |
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| 21:14.14 | yakito | i have updated busy box to fix the problem with fbncserver, but it still does not respond to mouse or keys. Is thera a howto o page that explains installation ? |
| 21:14.31 | kergoth | you didnt calibrate it it |
| 21:14.36 | kergoth | s/ it$//; |
| 21:14.38 | kergoth | read the faq |
| 21:15.05 | yakito | rtfm :( |
| 21:15.07 | yakito | sorry |
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| 21:15.16 | treke | kergoth: fuck, remind me not to build buildroot as root |
| 21:15.37 | kergoth | ack, yeah dont do that |
| 21:16.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:16.15 | kergoth | i accidentally had my gcc build for arm install into /usr |
| 21:16.21 | kergoth | *damN* good thing i wasnt root |
| 21:16.47 | treke | $(SourceTree)=/home/ggilbert |
| 21:16.49 | treke | make clean :) |
| 21:16.56 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: hehe |
| 21:17.00 | kergoth | treke: aha |
| 21:17.01 | sheenmaster | lol |
| 21:18.14 | sheenmaster | yay; kistmet is up |
| 21:18.19 | sheenmaster | kismet* |
| 21:20.20 | treke | kergoth: hrm. does the FORCE in clean-sourcetrees mean that I can't override it |
| 21:20.23 | treke | ? |
| 21:20.39 | kergoth | FORCE means its .phony |
| 21:20.52 | kergoth | which means there no 'clean-sourcetrees' file that is that rule |
| 21:21.19 | kergoth | you know, i'm not sure if you can override those rules |
| 21:21.24 | kergoth | now that i think about it |
| 21:21.56 | treke | you can |
| 21:22.03 | treke | I was doing something subtley stupid |
| 21:22.06 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:22.27 | masticator | hey anyone try this? |
| 21:22.29 | masticator | http://www.asciipr0n.com/archive/0013/bonnie/craft/ |
| 21:22.38 | treke | SourceTree was $BUILDDIR/alsa/alsa-driver but I wanted to delete $BUILDDIR/alsa |
| 21:22.43 | noiddd | this is fookin sexy |
| 21:22.59 | kergoth | treke: yeah, there are a few other packages that should probably override their clean targets too |
| 21:24.32 | treke | yeah alsa not getting cleaned has always bothered me :) |
| 21:25.44 | masticator | cool. lunar lander, with Nuns. |
| 21:25.47 | masticator | http://216.33.240.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=51222efba68d1138d7e9a423fd3dc78f&lat=1049491271&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ebrianmung%2ecom%2fnunlander%2ehtm |
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| 21:26.06 | masticator | http://www.brianmung.com/nunlander.htm |
| 21:26.08 | masticator | whhops. |
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| 21:28.17 | kergoth | numatrix: okay, building libsdl-qte.. if it compiles i'll push it to bkbits |
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| 21:30.35 | yakito | when I uninstall an app from aqpkg (oz3.2) it still shows as installed ? It is happening only to me ? |
| 21:31.45 | mantus | yakito: some ipks are boken like that |
| 21:31.47 | masticator | now THIS is cool. |
| 21:31.49 | masticator | http://www.bigideafun.com/penguins/arcade/doom_funnel/ |
| 21:31.57 | kergoth | yakito: i havent seen that |
| 21:32.02 | kergoth | yakito: where did you install it to? |
| 21:32.07 | yakito | CF |
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| 21:32.31 | yakito | it is a CF with two partitions an vfat and other ext2. I am installing on ext2 |
| 21:32.38 | Neo|Work | masticator: that last one needs director, which requires windows! BUSTED! |
| 21:33.15 | mantus | yakito: manually delete the entry from /usr/lib/ipkg/status (or /mnt/card/... or /mnt/cf/...) |
| 21:33.35 | kergoth | yakito: run 'ipkg status packagename' |
| 21:33.37 | numatrix | kergoth: excellent. |
| 21:33.38 | kergoth | yakito: paste it here |
| 21:33.40 | mantus | 2 partitions on removable media? |
| 21:33.52 | numatrix | masticator: I just did. Lot of fun. (made it, taht is) |
| 21:35.14 | numatrix | masticator: except I think I'm going to try to make some improvements... actually cut out holes in the real instead of a solid wing |
| 21:36.18 | yakito | it does hnot say nothing. only loading conf file /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 21:36.38 | kergoth | yakito: eh, if ipkg status doesnt show it, then aqpkg shouldnt |
| 21:36.40 | kergoth | stupid aqpkg |
| 21:36.48 | masticator | neo: this orbits of doom would make a cool pda game |
| 21:37.04 | yakito | mantus: On a CF I have two partitions, one for flashing the other one ext2 for apps :P |
| 21:38.47 | yakito | I have seen that the files remains on the target device. That is all executables and other stuff on CF, but icons have been removed from the tab application |
| 21:40.22 | mantus | now, that you mention it, i had the same problem when installing/removing from sd card |
| 21:40.39 | yakito | maybe the steps I have followed to make the partitions are not the correct, if somebody could take a look to the howto I wrote. It is on www.yakito.com/zaurus/howto.html |
| 21:41.09 | yakito | I thought it was related with the fat system been using, but now I have ext2 :O |
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| 21:48.10 | kergoth | numatrix: pushed |
| 21:49.41 | yakito | anyone installed prboom ? |
| 21:51.14 | mantus | yakito: not lately, but the current libsdl is broken |
| 21:51.30 | kergoth | hopefully not anymore |
| 21:51.35 | kergoth | need numatrix here to test it :) |
| 21:51.37 | mantus | afaik |
| 21:51.42 | yakito | but, it does not show at all |
| 21:51.50 | mantus | kergoth: is there a new build? |
| 21:52.00 | kergoth | the changes are in buildroot |
| 21:52.00 | mantus | yakito: you mean icon wise? |
| 21:52.04 | yakito | I have installed all the files, but there is not a prboom entry |
| 21:52.20 | kergoth | yakito: you have to install the doom demo data files or whatever |
| 21:52.24 | kergoth | prboom doesnt include any wad files |
| 21:52.27 | mantus | yakito: it runs from command line |
| 21:52.41 | mantus | or an optional package that adds icon, and sharware wad |
| 21:52.41 | yakito | I have them, there is a demo wad ipk |
| 21:53.24 | yakito | ohhh It works fast, very fast :P |
| 21:53.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:53.36 | mantus | yea, its nice |
| 21:53.44 | kergoth | ipkg/aqpkg are so broken. |
| 21:53.46 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:53.55 | mantus | i wish exult were a little faster but that runs well enough |
| 21:54.40 | yakito | the problem is the control :) if you are left handed , maybe its god :) |
| 21:54.43 | treke | kergoth: odd |
| 21:54.54 | treke | kergoth: I can make clean and it calls clean-ipk |
| 21:54.59 | treke | but I cant make clean-ipk |
| 21:55.02 | kergoth | er |
| 21:55.06 | kergoth | thats strange |
| 21:55.27 | yakito | now, looking for game boy roms to test qtopia gnuboy |
| 21:55.57 | mantus | yakito: kazaa, speed is prolly about 80-85% |
| 21:56.06 | yakito | jeje |
| 21:56.48 | mantus | depends on the rom a lot i bet though |
| 21:57.44 | yakito | where is the calibration of fbvncserver stored |
| 21:57.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.52 | yakito | I have not found it on the /etc folder |
| 21:58.00 | kergoth | well thats wehre it is. |
| 21:58.04 | kergoth | its like tssimd.conf or osmething |
| 21:59.30 | yakito | there is not such a file, i have reread the folder 3 times :( |
| 21:59.38 | kergoth | then it isnt calibrated. |
| 21:59.39 | yakito | all is happening to me :P |
| 21:59.58 | yakito | the problem is that faq says to uninstall and install |
| 22:00.12 | kergoth | thats a problem? |
| 22:00.13 | yakito | but uninstall does work fine for me :( |
| 22:00.30 | kergoth | so install it to flash, not your sd card |
| 22:00.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00.55 | yakito | I am installing all to CF card on the ext2 partition |
| 22:01.14 | kergoth | and? |
| 22:01.21 | kergoth | that somehow prevents you from installing this one package to flash? |
| 22:01.23 | kergoth | i think not |
| 22:01.45 | yakito | flash = internal memory ? |
| 22:01.52 | yakito | I am using 64-0 image |
| 22:02.01 | kergoth | -0 is RAMDISK |
| 22:02.03 | kergoth | you have flash |
| 22:02.05 | kergoth | 16mb of flash |
| 22:02.08 | kergoth | deafult has 3mb free |
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| 22:03.47 | mantus | 64-0 is pretty silly |
| 22:03.53 | djr | nah |
| 22:03.55 | djr | i use 64-0 |
| 22:04.12 | mantus | everything runs so slow with 64-0 (sd is very slow) |
| 22:04.25 | djr | i think its fine... |
| 22:04.25 | treke | mantus: depends on what you do |
| 22:04.26 | yakito | with 64-0 you can have more apps with fast load on |
| 22:05.54 | mantus | i used 64-0 until i realized i didnt need 20MB ram free doing absolutley nothing |
| 22:06.20 | treke | Its possible to use that ram |
| 22:06.20 | mantus | though, 32 is clearly not enough ram |
| 22:06.29 | yakito | I cannot install on flash because, it is stated as installed on CF, then I can only remove (nothing happens) or reinstall (nothing happens ) |
| 22:06.44 | treke | try running op2, konq, allong with the apps you have on fastload in 32mb of ram |
| 22:07.04 | mantus | i dont fast load anything |
| 22:07.17 | mantus | but yea, 32 sucks |
| 22:07.26 | yakito | mantus: I do not want to use zaurus ram because if it runs out of power then all zaurus storage goes out |
| 22:07.31 | mantus | which is why im wary about the 5600 |
| 22:08.01 | mantus | yakito: the z has a small nicad that keeps the ram powered if teh lion dies out |
| 22:08.29 | yakito | yes, but it is not reliable |
| 22:08.41 | yakito | if you use only CF and SD storage |
| 22:09.01 | treke | mantus: right, but flash doesnt lose its contents. |
| 22:09.03 | yakito | you can be sure that nothings can be losed |
| 22:09.43 | kergoth | mantus: i used 40-24 till i realized i never used the 24mb for anything |
| 22:09.48 | kergoth | mantus: so it was pointless to have it |
| 22:10.29 | mantus | i started using 40-24 when i realized i could get about everyting i want onto it |
| 22:10.49 | mantus | i guess thats why there are multiple zimages |
| 22:10.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:10.53 | mantus | :) |
| 22:10.56 | kergoth | flexibility is good. |
| 22:12.33 | yakito | this is as colors, each one has one preferred color :P |
| 22:13.54 | Dessimat0r | I'm using 64 mb for mem, 0 mb for storage. |
| 22:14.09 | Dessimat0r | all goes to CF |
| 22:14.15 | Dessimat0r | storage, that is |
| 22:14.16 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 22:14.24 | yakito | ok, then mantus uses 40-24 and all the others 64-0 :D |
| 22:14.42 | kergoth | treke uses 48-16 |
| 22:14.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:15.06 | mantus | cf for all storage would negate half the reason i have the z |
| 22:15.35 | mantus | 802.11b war strolling :) |
| 22:15.37 | yakito | treke: come to the 64-0 side :) |
| 22:15.58 | yakito | [mantus] you can use CF or SD or MMC |
| 22:16.23 | mantus | yakito: Dessimat0r said he put all apps on cf |
| 22:16.37 | Dessimat0r | well, I use JFFS2 also |
| 22:16.39 | treke | yakito: nah. I dont know why but I dont like the idea of slowly wearing out my flash |
| 22:17.05 | Dessimat0r | but CF is for unimportant apps, / for important ones |
| 22:17.16 | Dessimat0r | and CF for music, etc |
| 22:18.22 | kergoth | heh, its erases that wear it, not the write |
| 22:18.32 | kergoth | and a package install is pretty much one time |
| 22:18.34 | kergoth | barring upgrades |
| 22:18.40 | mantus | kergoth: i was talking to someone and wanted a second opinion ... is SD slow because the media is slow or because the drivers suck? |
| 22:18.50 | treke | kergoth: right. but data gets written over and over again |
| 22:19.12 | yakito | treke: I hope not to have problem with flash. Maybe it goes out in 4 or 5 years, but maybe it will be time to buy another one |
| 22:19.13 | kergoth | treke: /root/Settings, /root/Applications, /root/Documents. you store them in ram? |
| 22:19.17 | kergoth | then its not persistant though |
| 22:19.20 | treke | yes |
| 22:19.26 | kergoth | i like storing them in sd/mmc personally |
| 22:19.33 | kergoth | by the time it wears out, it'll be obselete anyway |
| 22:19.35 | treke | kergoth: its plenty persistant |
| 22:19.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:20.18 | treke | in most cases it was my own dumb fault |
| 22:21.08 | treke | oh fuck |
| 22:21.11 | yakito | I give up with fbvncserver (not able to unistall). Maybe flahsing OZ 3.2 would work, but I do not think that this is the right way. |
| 22:21.22 | treke | mv alsa-install.patch ~/oe/buildroot/packages/kernel-ipaq/Makefile |
| 22:21.29 | mantus | yakito: remove files/entries manually |
| 22:21.39 | kergoth | treke: ack |
| 22:21.47 | kergoth | treke: lose many uncheckedin changes/ |
| 22:21.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:22.15 | yakito | I will try it, but it is very strange the problem I have :O |
| 22:22.25 | treke | kergoth: btw. I've got two sourcetrees each with their own patches. Any way to specify which one receives which patch? |
| 22:22.44 | kergoth | treke: fraid not, the source handling isnt that granular |
| 22:22.51 | kergoth | treke: you can call getsource directly |
| 22:22.54 | yakito | If all the people can install/unistall why I cannot ? Maybe I have something misconfigured |
| 22:22.54 | kergoth | treke: look at Rules.make |
| 22:22.59 | mantus | yakito: not really |
| 22:23.13 | treke | kergoth: darn |
| 22:23.26 | mantus | i have had problems unistalling from sd |
| 22:23.37 | treke | I'll just write my own make install rules then |
| 22:23.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:23.54 | yakito | mantus: at least you have the same problem, now there are now two persons :P |
| 22:24.03 | treke | its for also, it tries setting the group and owner on files in it's make install target |
| 22:24.07 | treke | alsa |
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| 22:24.12 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:24.21 | yakito | If you find why it does not unistall, please say me :) |
| 22:24.22 | kergoth | yeah, using the make install in the package sourcetree is often a pain |
| 22:24.31 | ljp_work | ahh ha! |
| 22:24.37 | treke | install doesnt like it when not run as root. So I was patching that out, but can just as easily rewrite the rules. I already have to remove a bunch of misc files |
| 22:25.17 | yakito | going to sleep. |
| 22:25.18 | yakito | ciao |
| 22:28.49 | mantus | is it possible to map the app buttons to keys (so like, i hit mail and the z would react the same way as if i hit the "A" key? |
| 22:29.00 | kergoth | mantus: check buttonsettings |
| 22:33.54 | mantus | kergoth: i'm looking, nothing appears to be what i want ... is there a doc file for the app? |
| 22:34.21 | kergoth | docs? i doubt it |
| 22:36.24 | treke | oh suckage |
| 22:36.32 | treke | everything I did to it this afternoon is gone |
| 22:37.02 | kergoth | ouch |
| 22:37.18 | treke | well, there goes my will to work this afternoon |
| 22:37.52 | kergoth | yeah, know how that goes |
| 22:38.06 | kergoth | i still havent rewritten that qt/e kernel keymap patch i lost |
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| 22:39.23 | DrZaius | is there a smaller mp3 decoder than madplay and xmms? |
| 22:42.53 | ljp_work | opieplayer |
| 22:43.00 | DrZaius | any good? |
| 22:43.04 | ljp_work | the best |
| 22:43.11 | ljp_work | :) |
| 22:43.19 | DrZaius | free as in speech? |
| 22:43.39 | ljp_work | ya, but you are welcome to pay pal the dev/maintainer |
| 22:43.48 | DrZaius | oh, he doesn't need it |
| 22:43.53 | DrZaius | he's set |
| 22:43.56 | ljp_work | oh, I am sure he does |
| 22:44.13 | DrZaius | how so? did you 0wn his atm account? |
| 22:44.14 | DrZaius | tsk, tsk |
| 22:44.26 | ljp_work | hmm, you might say that, yes |
| 22:45.28 | ljp_work | I dont think he uses atm's very much though |
| 22:46.10 | DrZaius | better off letting his People do that for him? |
| 22:46.18 | DrZaius | time better spent coding and managing the estate? |
| 22:46.20 | ljp_work | his People? |
| 22:46.40 | DrZaius | doesn't everybody have people? |
| 22:46.42 | ljp_work | heh, ya his vast estate |
| 22:46.57 | ljp_work | hmm, perhaps |
| 22:48.59 | ljp_work | ya, I think I maxed all his credit cards out |
| 22:49.31 | DrZaius | just have your people take care of it |
| 22:49.56 | DrZaius | aaah elegance |
| 22:50.38 | DrZaius | oh, btw, where is opieplayer? don't see it in the oz feed and didn't see it in zauruszone or on google (search term "opieplayer") |
| 22:50.57 | mantus | opie player is in oz feed |
| 22:51.02 | ljp_work | hmm. not sure. |
| 22:51.15 | kergoth | op1 isnt in th ebuilds atm |
| 22:51.18 | DrZaius | is it just named opieplayer-x.ipk? |
| 22:51.19 | ljp_work | you will also need the libmad plugin to listen to mp3 |
| 22:51.32 | DrZaius | ok |
| 22:51.33 | mantus | opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.3-20030328-1_arm.ipk |
| 22:51.41 | kergoth | no |
| 22:51.42 | ljp_work | no, thats op2 |
| 22:51.42 | kergoth | thats op2 |
| 22:51.47 | mantus | o, you want 1 |
| 22:51.50 | ljp_work | that uses xine |
| 22:52.34 | treke | ljp can let his stable of women support him |
| 22:52.41 | mantus | yea, dont use the old opie codec ipk either (though it claims to satisfy dependecies) |
| 22:52.50 | ljp_work | stable? ha! |
| 22:53.12 | treke | ljp_work: almost a whole harem |
| 22:53.13 | ljp_work | my one girlfriend I havent seen in years, who is currently married? |
| 22:53.25 | treke | there's also your cat |
| 22:53.32 | ljp_work | too hairy |
| 22:53.36 | DrZaius | and the chicks in chains in the basement |
| 22:53.44 | DrZaius | where'd you get the tranqs, btw? |
| 22:54.04 | ljp_work | nothing but a drum set in the basement |
| 22:54.23 | mantus | DrZaius: chains are no good, use nylon covered cable, neighbors may notice chains rattling |
| 22:54.50 | DrZaius | mantus: I have an invisible collar thing set up on all my doors that open to the outside |
| 22:54.58 | DrZaius | and a passcode on the phone |
| 22:55.25 | DrZaius | hmm... ok, so here's another stupid question: exactly which files should I pull out of the feed? |
| 22:55.30 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:55.32 | kergoth | for what? |
| 22:55.34 | mantus | your ideas intrege me, and i would like to subscibe to your newsletter |
| 22:55.41 | DrZaius | gotta get going, and I don't have a proper network connection on the zaurus yet |
| 22:55.46 | DrZaius | kergoth: opieplayer |
| 22:55.57 | mantus | DrZaius: opieplayer2? |
| 22:56.06 | kergoth | op1 isnt in the feeds |
| 22:56.07 | kergoth | op2 is |
| 22:56.18 | DrZaius | guess it'll have to do |
| 22:56.25 | DrZaius | assuming it works |
| 22:56.35 | mantus | libxine, libogg libvorbisdec |
| 22:56.40 | DrZaius | guess I can just keep using madplay, if it's not recommended |
| 22:56.42 | mantus | i think thats it |
| 22:56.53 | DrZaius | does it actually require the ogg stuff? |
| 22:57.03 | mantus | op2 works find for me |
| 22:57.08 | ljp_work | why isnt op1 in the feed?! |
| 22:57.17 | mantus | DrZaius: it complains if you dont have it |
| 22:57.21 | DrZaius | ok |
| 22:57.23 | mantus | besides, ogg is superior |
| 22:57.25 | kergoth | ljp_work: because i never bothered to ensure it builds properly when i switched to th enew buildsystem |
| 22:57.48 | ljp_work | hmm, cause xine has too big of mem requirements for 5000d |
| 22:57.57 | ljp_work | at least mine |
| 22:58.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:58.08 | DrZaius | ogg's superior for people with time to rerip their whole cd collections ;) |
| 22:58.12 | kergoth | well, if it builds, i'll enable it for the oz buildroot |
| 22:58.23 | chouimat|away | ~lart DrZaius |
| 22:58.25 | kergoth | DrZaius: who says you have to do your whole collection at once? |
| 22:58.30 | ljp_work | umm, it should build as it always has |
| 22:58.32 | kergoth | DrZaius:you can have both ogg and mp3 files you know |
| 22:58.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58.38 | kergoth | ljp_work: new buildsystem |
| 22:58.45 | kergoth | ljp_work: build order controlled by config system |
| 22:58.52 | kergoth | ljp_work: has anyone tested it since the switch? |
| 22:58.53 | mantus | use lego mindstorm and build a auto cd changer |
| 22:58.59 | ljp_work | oh. op1 doesnt need both libmad and libmpeg to listen to mp3 now |
| 22:59.03 | chouimat|away | mantus: hehe |
| 22:59.14 | DrZaius | does op2 need libmad or libmpeg? |
| 22:59.22 | kergoth | op2 uses libxine |
| 22:59.28 | kergoth | libxine needs other libs, afaik |
| 22:59.29 | ljp_work | no, op2 needs the mediaplayer-codecs (xine) |
| 22:59.31 | mantus | DrZaius: dont think so, just xine |
| 22:59.33 | treke | would require buying a lot of old cds :) |
| 22:59.50 | DrZaius | that's all in libxine? |
| 23:00.10 | kergoth | no, libxine uses other libs. |
| 23:00.10 | kergoth | ~/collie$ cat packages/libxine/Makefile |grep ^Depends |
| 23:00.12 | kergoth | Depends = libc6, zlib1g, libogg0, libvorbisidec1, libmad0 |
| 23:00.24 | mantus | DrZaius: everything but libogg and libvorbis afair |
| 23:00.35 | kergoth | libmad too |
| 23:00.49 | mantus | i stand corrected |
| 23:01.09 | DrZaius | ok |
| 23:01.10 | kergoth | libxine uses zlib? wonder what for |
| 23:01.22 | DrZaius | thanks |
| 23:01.23 | ljp_work | zipping something up |
| 23:01.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01.29 | ljp_work | or unzipping |
| 23:01.40 | kergoth | one of the codecs must be gzipped or something |
| 23:01.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:01.46 | mantus | does it support mod, xm, s3m, it? |
| 23:01.48 | ljp_work | wouldnt doubt it |
| 23:03.27 | ljp_work | xine? |
| 23:03.36 | ljp_work | not sure. there's a mod plugin for op1 |
| 23:03.49 | kergoth | http://www.pepsi.co.jp/navi_html/h_adidas.html |
| 23:03.51 | kergoth | japanese are strange |
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| 23:04.35 | ljp_work | thats because godzilla ravaged their country so much |
| 23:04.47 | kergoth | right, thats why they need shoes on their bottlecaps |
| 23:04.57 | kergoth | to remind them of smelly feet while drinking pepsi |
| 23:04.57 | ljp_work | :) |
| 23:05.07 | mantus | i dunno whats stranger, the site, or that you came across it |
| 23:05.16 | kergoth | hehe, friend sent it over |
| 23:05.19 | kergoth | dont know where it originated |
| 23:05.24 | mantus | sure a 'friend' |
| 23:05.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:05.45 | ljp_work | I stilll like the japanese zaurus thingy humping that japanese girl |
| 23:05.51 | kergoth | yeah, that was funny |
| 23:06.03 | kergoth | http://www.pepsi.co.jp/navi_html/h_twistman.html |
| 23:06.05 | kergoth | ^lol |
| 23:06.18 | masticator | ljp: the zaurus would have sold much better for sure with ads like that |
| 23:06.20 | kergoth | look, its pepsi twist convenience store robber guy |
| 23:07.36 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 23:07.44 | ljp_work | masticator: yup |
| 23:07.51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:07.55 | kergoth | bored |
| 23:07.58 | kergoth | only 2 hours left |
| 23:08.11 | ljp_work | I have less than 1 hr to go |
| 23:10.13 | masticator | the guy looks like a lemon head suicide bomber |
| 23:12.18 | mantus | i think sharp should have run ads with people using wlan cards and a slogan "Aren't open access points great" |
| 23:12.50 | mantus | and show a screen of kismet or something |
| 23:13.17 | kergoth | fuck man |
| 23:13.20 | kergoth | my collie patch for 2.4.19 |
| 23:13.26 | kergoth | is .. 4.3 megs |
| 23:13.27 | kergoth | egad |
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| 23:14.21 | kergoth | i need to trim this somewhat before sending it to andrea |
| 23:14.33 | STrRedWolf | mantus: Of course, for them to get past the lawyers, it'll be a Sharp/T-Mobile spot. |
| 23:14.56 | mantus | STrRedWolf: nah, some bank with weak wep :) |
| 23:15.45 | mantus | sometimes i wonder what people are thinking |
| 23:15.57 | STrRedWolf | "YES! You too can security audit your bank with the Sharp Zaurus SL-5600! Because a hackable bank is a bank you don't want to have your money in. |
| 23:16.09 | mantus | right |
| 23:16.11 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:16.35 | mantus | like, theres a real estate agengy near me with a open AP ... i wouldnt buy a house from them |
| 23:17.22 | mantus | i ought to walk in and tell them ill secure their network for $1000 |
| 23:17.40 | STrRedWolf | "Invest in a SL-5600 now and get free time at any T-Mobile HotSpot, for your email and web surfing!" "Or for contacting your lawyer." "RIGHT!" |
| 23:17.45 | mantus | then yank the AP from the wall and throw it outside |
| 23:18.24 | STrRedWolf | I'd replace it with a P-200 MMX running Linux. :) How much are they, $100 now? |
| 23:18.59 | mantus | shit, i have 2 p133's that im not attached to |
| 23:19.18 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 23:19.28 | STrRedWolf | Heh. Turn 'em into firewalls. |
| 23:19.49 | STrRedWolf | Mine's doing wireline & wifi. |
| 23:19.54 | mantus | STrRedWolf: if i had a broadband connection i would |
| 23:19.59 | kergoth | make one into an openbsd ipless bridge firewall, and the other into a linux nat box |
| 23:20.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:20.12 | mantus | but no one wants to give me broadband |
| 23:20.34 | STrRedWolf | Phone & Cable companies giving you hard times over it? |
| 23:21.09 | mantus | yea, no DSL and get this ... the addy next to me can get cable, not me though ... i live in the middle of the city |
| 23:21.46 | STrRedWolf | Phone/Cable must be hosted outside the city. Which city, if I may ask? |
| 23:22.08 | mantus | grand rapids, we have an huge backbone running through downtown |
| 23:22.15 | mantus | s/an/a |
| 23:22.30 | mantus | mi |
| 23:22.35 | STrRedWolf | O_o |
| 23:23.26 | mantus | and a big building with camera on the outside that says ameritech (well i think it says sbc now) all over it |
| 23:23.41 | mantus | im scared of it |
| 23:23.44 | ljp_work | hmm, time to go.. bbl |
| 23:24.01 | STrRedWolf | It makes me want to mogg several PC's together into a Beowulf cluster and sell CPU cycles. |
| 23:24.36 | mantus | dont you ever use that word in front of me again |
| 23:24.44 | STrRedWolf | Murp? |
| 23:24.53 | mantus | beowolf |
| 23:25.04 | masticator | wow man I am buying stock in Raytheon. |
| 23:25.07 | STrRedWolf | You misspelled it. |
| 23:25.14 | mantus | yea whatever |
| 23:25.40 | masticator | apparently the armed forces have shot thru over 700 tomahawk missiles |
| 23:25.42 | mantus | if you havent noticed, im not a good speller anyway |
| 23:25.47 | masticator | thats 1/3 of our inventory |
| 23:25.51 | masticator | they now need to replace them all |
| 23:25.58 | masticator | guess who makes em.. raytheon |
| 23:26.38 | treke | someone at raytheon must have a stiffy right about now |
| 23:27.13 | masticator | 700 tomahawks in 2 weeks time.. man thats a lot of cruise missiles |
| 23:27.36 | mantus | treke: I mean come on thogh, if I worked at a place where they had a government contract to make missiles, I'd have a stiffy |
| 23:27.55 | treke | masticator: only 50 a day :) |
| 23:28.57 | mantus | i think they should just send a bunch of really low flying sr-71 blackbirds over bahgdad |
| 23:29.21 | masticator | the blackbird doesnt carry any arms |
| 23:29.26 | mantus | sonic boom |
| 23:29.36 | mantus | like an earthwuake |
| 23:29.41 | treke | and they've been decommisioned for a long while now |
| 23:29.44 | mantus | err quake |
| 23:29.53 | masticator | they arent exactly easy planes to fly low either |
| 23:30.04 | masticator | plus you cant fly them that fast that low |
| 23:30.12 | masticator | they need to be at a really high altitude to do that |
| 23:30.21 | masticator | too much friction in the lower atmosphere |
| 23:30.27 | mantus | o yea, just pee on my cheerios |
| 23:30.39 | treke | ok |
| 23:31.05 | masticator | what we SHOULD do is drop a few tac nukes on the republican guard units |
| 23:31.23 | mantus | nukes are not so all good |
| 23:31.34 | masticator | yeah, they do kind of make a mess. |
| 23:31.49 | mantus | what company made moab? |
| 23:31.54 | masticator | about 10 years ago I was talking to some guy that used to work on "star wars" |
| 23:32.01 | STrRedWolf | Oh yes, we should use the MOAB instead. |
| 23:32.13 | masticator | apparently they were experimenting with something called "Or-tillery" |
| 23:32.25 | masticator | you'd figure by now we'd have one in orbit |
| 23:32.43 | masticator | its a rail gun that fires depleted uranium shells from orbit |
| 23:33.17 | mantus | wouldnt the shells burn up in the atmosphere? |
| 23:33.19 | masticator | the impact from re-entry when fired into an armored column is like the equivalent to dropping like 10 of those MOAB's |
| 23:33.27 | masticator | I said DEPLETED URANIUM |
| 23:33.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:33.44 | noiddd | kergoth: any suggestions?? |
| 23:33.44 | noiddd | red@duragesic perl $ bk edit config.sh |
| 23:33.44 | noiddd | get: can't plock config.sh |
| 23:33.44 | noiddd | edit of SCCS/s.config.sh failed, skipping it. |
| 23:33.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:33.57 | kergoth | you made changes without using bk edit |
| 23:34.01 | kergoth | tisk tisk |
| 23:34.06 | kergoth | mv config.sh config.sh.bleh |
| 23:34.09 | kergoth | bk unlock config.sh |
| 23:34.10 | kergoth | bk edit config.sh |
| 23:34.14 | noiddd | thanks :-) |
| 23:34.15 | kergoth | mv config.sh.bleh config.sh |
| 23:34.15 | masticator | but yeah, those MOABs' would be cool |
| 23:34.17 | mantus | yea, depleted uranium is a great metal for weapons and armor |
| 23:34.18 | kergoth | or what have you |
| 23:34.19 | kergoth | np |
| 23:34.24 | masticator | I have a feeling we may be using those in a few days |
| 23:34.29 | STrRedWolf | Better than unobtainium. |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth | ~fishslap STrRedWolf |
| 23:34.37 | | ACTION slaps STrRedWolf up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:34.48 | STrRedWolf | Oh! You saw The Core? |
| 23:35.05 | treke | mickeyl: you tried the orinico-modules package on your network card? |
| 23:35.11 | masticator | I havent seen it yet, but it will either be good or really stupid |
| 23:35.15 | masticator | I have that feeling about it |
| 23:35.28 | treke | I suspect the latter |
| 23:35.31 | STrRedWolf | I work as crew at a movie megaplex. It's both. |
| 23:35.36 | mickeyl | treke: not yet, because *magically* the hostap began to work with my fscking-old 2mbit lucent cards :-D |
| 23:35.41 | mantus | masticator: yea, and usually they tend to be bad |
| 23:35.43 | masticator | its really good and stupid? |
| 23:35.56 | mickeyl | treke: didn't know that hostap also includes hermes support now. |
| 23:35.59 | STrRedWolf | Good F/X. Stupid offshoot of Armorgetton. |
| 23:36.04 | treke | mickeyl: supposedlit orinoco supports spectrum |
| 23:36.12 | masticator | yeah I kinda had that armageddon vibe |
| 23:36.29 | kergoth | spectrum_cs supports spectrum |
| 23:36.33 | kergoth | but its in our orinoco modules build :) |
| 23:36.36 | masticator | any nudity? |
| 23:36.49 | masticator | cause if chicks dont get naked, its not a good action movie |
| 23:37.03 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:37.10 | mantus | masticator: umm, your on the internet right now, what do you need nudity in the movie for? |
| 23:37.21 | masticator | so i dont fall asleep! |
| 23:37.25 | mickeyl | by the way, the hostap drivers do nasty things on arm-linux. they write data past fixed-length structures... tsss... *sigh* |
| 23:37.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: ack |
| 23:37.36 | STrRedWolf | masticator: Sorry. None. |
| 23:37.50 | masticator | shame. |
| 23:37.55 | treke | that confirms it |
| 23:37.57 | treke | it's the latter |
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| 23:38.04 | masticator | is it PG-13? |
| 23:38.13 | masticator | all PG-13 action flicks SUCK. |
| 23:38.21 | STrRedWolf | I think so. Hold on. |
| 23:38.25 | masticator | except if its spielberg. |
| 23:38.51 | STrRedWolf | Yeah, it's PG13. |
| 23:38.58 | masticator | was ALIENS PG-13 or R? |
| 23:39.05 | masticator | now THAT was a sci fi action movie. |
| 23:39.17 | mantus | masticator: ill make a movie about a naked chick that goes on a killing spree for you |
| 23:39.29 | masticator | that would rock. |
| 23:39.31 | treke | thats good for two thumbs up from me |
| 23:39.43 | mantus | it practicly writes itself |
| 23:39.48 | masticator | I wanna see Friday turned into a film |
| 23:39.48 | kergoth | thatd be sweet |
| 23:40.00 | masticator | no way could you do tht movie without sex and serious violence |
| 23:40.10 | STrRedWolf | Alien was R. |
| 23:40.15 | masticator | Aliens? |
| 23:40.21 | masticator | I assume that one was also R |
| 23:40.35 | STrRedWolf | Ditto. Checked IMDB.org |
| 23:40.41 | masticator | see, thats why its good |
| 23:40.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:40.53 | masticator | no PG-13 movie made since has been good |
| 23:41.01 | masticator | thats an action film/SF |
| 23:41.02 | STrRedWolf | Dreamcacher is only as good as teh 12-minute short in the beginning. |
| 23:41.12 | masticator | maybe Apollo 13 |
| 23:41.26 | masticator | but that was science fact |
| 23:41.28 | masticator | not SF |
| 23:41.30 | STrRedWolf | Apollo 13 was history. |
| 23:41.34 | masticator | you gotta have naked chicks with SF. |
| 23:41.44 | kergoth | well, our 2.4.19 tree compiles again |
| 23:41.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:41.57 | masticator | Batman - sucked. |
| 23:42.01 | masticator | Spiderman - sucked. |
| 23:42.03 | Dessimat0r | w00t |
| 23:42.03 | STrRedWolf | All three? |
| 23:42.06 | treke | apollo 13 would have been better with naked chicks |
| 23:42.17 | kergoth | spiderman was a good movie, but wouldve rocked with nudity |
| 23:42.18 | mantus | the first one was good, second one was pretty all right |
| 23:42.19 | kergoth | treke: true |
| 23:42.27 | mantus | i hated spiderman |
| 23:42.29 | masticator | treke: yes, a scene at a local go-go bar in florida would have rocked |
| 23:42.39 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:42.54 | kergoth | you know, its times like this i realize its good cloudchaser isnt around here anymore |
| 23:42.54 | masticator | Matrix was PG-13, right? |
| 23:42.57 | STrRedWolf | My theater had spiderman for the longest time, kept selling out. |
| 23:43.07 | masticator | I think that one was good because it had so much ass kicking to balance out the lack of nudity |
| 23:43.12 | STrRedWolf | Negative. Matrix is R |
| 23:43.14 | mantus | masticator: yea |
| 23:43.17 | mantus | really |
| 23:43.19 | masticator | Matrix is R? |
| 23:43.28 | kergoth | probably due to violence alone |
| 23:43.28 | STrRedWolf | http://us.imdb.com/Title?0133093 <-- See for yourself. |
| 23:43.29 | masticator | see, then our theory proves correct. |
| 23:43.40 | kergoth | blade rocked |
| 23:43.48 | masticator | blade was PG-13? |
| 23:43.53 | kergoth | dunno |
| 23:43.58 | mantus | i doubt it |
| 23:43.58 | masticator | no way |
| 23:44.02 | kergoth | just thinking about kickass action scenes brought it to mind |
| 23:44.04 | kergoth | eheh |
| 23:44.14 | STrRedWolf | The Wesley Snipes one? |
| 23:44.18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:44.23 | STrRedWolf | Rated R. |
| 23:44.26 | kergoth | vampire asskicking = good |
| 23:44.31 | masticator | Blade Runner: R |
| 23:44.51 | masticator | Robocop: R |
| 23:44.54 | mantus | blade runner was a f'ed up movie |
| 23:45.15 | STrRedWolf | I think only LotR, the live action versions, are PG-13. |
| 23:45.32 | masticator | The Crow: R |
| 23:45.46 | kergoth | the crow.. man, i need to buy that movie |
| 23:45.48 | masticator | you cant have nudity in Tolkien |
| 23:45.56 | masticator | thats a proven medium |
| 23:45.58 | masticator | doesnt need nudity |
| 23:46.11 | STrRedWolf | Tolkien would of described the sex scenes to death. |
| 23:46.13 | treke | not having nudity is bad, but its even worse to change the source material :) |
| 23:46.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:46.19 | kergoth | true that |
| 23:46.22 | noiddd | make install of arm compile on an x86 box considered stupid. |
| 23:46.26 | masticator | see, we need to do a query on all SF action movies that are R |
| 23:46.34 | masticator | thats an essential DVD collection |
| 23:46.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:47.08 | masticator | Terminator is R right? |
| 23:47.12 | kergoth | what was the 5th element rated? |
| 23:47.16 | mantus | r |
| 23:47.18 | mantus | nudity |
| 23:47.30 | mantus | and very nice nudity at that |
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| 23:47.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:47.39 | masticator | TErminator is R |
| 23:47.51 | kergoth | leelu rocks, however its spelled |
| 23:47.56 | Dessimat0r | Don't you miss Onyx4? :/ |
| 23:48.02 | Dessimat0r | and AndyQ |
| 23:48.10 | STrRedWolf | Well, that means there's another thing against Star Trek Nemisis. That's PG13. |
| 23:48.10 | kergoth | yeah what happened to those two |
| 23:48.12 | kergoth | just vanished |
| 23:48.24 | masticator | nemesis sucked big time |
| 23:48.31 | masticator | even nudity couldnt save that one |
| 23:48.32 | Dessimat0r | Onyx4's server is still on the net - http://adsl-63-194-216-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net |
| 23:48.37 | mantus | STrRedWolf: you know, i think its all R rated from now on for me |
| 23:48.37 | Dessimat0r | i checked it, and its Debian |
| 23:48.44 | Dessimat0r | when I queried it |
| 23:48.45 | STrRedWolf | Nemisis was, what, between Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings? |
| 23:49.01 | masticator | Predator: R |
| 23:49.02 | mantus | although, lotr can be an exception |
| 23:49.04 | STrRedWolf | Bad timing, tired genre, and now not R rated. |
| 23:49.53 | masticator | Donnie Darko: R |
| 23:50.32 | masticator | Dark City: R |
| 23:51.00 | masticator | ok heres proof. |
| 23:51.06 | masticator | Minority Report: PG-13 |
| 23:51.22 | mantus | that movie was dissapointing |
| 23:51.24 | masticator | now, that movie would have been TOTALLY improved with naked chicks. |
| 23:51.32 | kergoth | masticator: i was about to say that |
| 23:51.38 | masticator | Blade Runner, which was anohter Philip K. Dick adaption, was R |
| 23:52.09 | masticator | so was Total Recall |
| 23:52.25 | mantus | 3 breasted lady in that one |
| 23:52.56 | kergoth | god how many releases a day does ipkg need |
| 23:53.04 | kergoth | its gone through like 12 versions in the past week |
| 23:53.17 | masticator | Planet of the Apes: PG-13 |
| 23:53.43 | masticator | definitely needed more something |
| 23:53.46 | masticator | violence or nudity |
| 23:53.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:54.15 | masticator | Lost in Space: PG-13 |
| 23:54.22 | mantus | you want to see ape nudity |
| 23:54.25 | masticator | now come on, that would have ROCKED with nudity |
| 23:54.56 | mantus | monkey lovin |
| 23:55.15 | masticator | Gladiator: R |
| 23:55.41 | mantus | didnt see that |
| 23:55.46 | masticator | oh man |
| 23:55.51 | kergoth | i loved that movie |
| 23:55.52 | masticator | you GOTTA see that. |
| 23:56.04 | masticator | Saving Private Ryan: R |
| 23:56.14 | STrRedWolf | Say it right: Saving Ryan's Privates. |
| 23:56.50 | masticator | ok here is another good example |
| 23:56.55 | masticator | Mars Attacks: PG-13 |
| 23:57.02 | masticator | wouldnt of that rocked with naked chicks? |
| 23:57.11 | mantus | yes |
| 23:57.16 | mantus | yes it would have |
| 23:57.16 | kergoth | yup |
| 23:57.29 | kergoth | okay sent andrea the Z support patch for 2.4.19 |
| 23:57.33 | kergoth | one less thing to worry about |
| 23:57.44 | STrRedWolf | How large is it? |
| 23:57.55 | mantus | can you move to 2.4.19 w/o breaking sd support? |
| 23:58.04 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- 1 kergoth staff 329388 Apr 4 17:56 2.4.19-rmk7-cl1.diff.gz |
| 23:58.11 | kergoth | mantus: not without doing something to adapt the binary module |
| 23:58.15 | masticator | Star Wars seems to be the only movie that can get away with being PG-13 or PG |
| 23:58.25 | STrRedWolf | mantus: Talk about your alien impregnation. :) |
| 23:58.36 | treke | masticator: it would have been better with nudity |
| 23:58.41 | Dessimat0r | what about for us not using SD? ;) Is it possible? |
| 23:58.46 | masticator | treke: oh yeah definitely. |
| 23:58.53 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: yes, but it needs a few finishing touches |
| 23:58.53 | masticator | I mean, come on, natalie portman? |
| 23:58.56 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:59.04 | STrRedWolf | Is MMC working? Not SD? |
| 23:59.05 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: then i'll make it available for users who dont need sd while i work on the sd |
| 23:59.08 | kergoth | no |
| 23:59.11 | Dessimat0r | w00t :D |
| 23:59.14 | Dessimat0r | thanks kergoth |
| 23:59.16 | kergoth | not until we add Z support to one of the open source mmc drivers |
| 23:59.21 | mantus | sd == mmc on z anyway |
| 23:59.26 | kergoth | mantus: not really |
| 23:59.39 | mantus | well, the z doesnt support the copyright feature |
| 23:59.43 | kergoth | it doesnt use the security portions of sd, but card init is still different |
| 23:59.47 | kergoth | yep |
