| 00:00.15 | nz | this is cool, if i change my mobile provider i can get a gsm cf card for free |
| 00:00.25 | nz | but will it work with oz ?? |
| 00:00.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: does the sharpmobile stuff work with OZ? |
| 00:00.40 | TheMasterMind1 | nz: ooh.. free gsm cf? who is offering that |
| 00:00.59 | ljp | tchman: hehhe. hmmm no. I like pizza |
| 00:01.00 | nz | expansis |
| 00:01.09 | nz | but u gotta sign a 24month contract |
| 00:01.15 | nz | it's for uk customers only |
| 00:01.21 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 00:01.57 | nz | but will that card work with oz |
| 00:02.04 | nz | it's no point other wise |
| 00:02.11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:02.16 | TheMasterMind1 | sharpmobile is pretty sweet actually |
| 00:02.20 | TheMasterMind1 | are the speeds any good? |
| 00:02.57 | nz | gprs speeds |
| 00:03.09 | treke | TheMasterMind1: darienm doesnt like it. says it never worked even though he was in the middle of a coverage area |
| 00:04.33 | TheMasterMind1 | that sucks |
| 00:04.36 | TheMasterMind1 | and its not very fast |
| 00:04.39 | TheMasterMind1 | 19kbps |
| 00:04.51 | nz | hmmmz |
| 00:05.07 | nz | how long is the z battery ment to last ?? |
| 00:05.22 | nz | mine lasts for bout 2hours when i use it to play games |
| 00:05.38 | TheMasterMind1 | thats pretty good |
| 00:06.27 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ |
| 00:06.29 | kergoth | screenshots |
| 00:06.30 | kergoth | ^6 |
| 00:06.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:06.32 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 00:06.38 | nz | ok |
| 00:07.14 | _Psycho | wtf ! no rom ! |
| 00:07.17 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:07.19 | kergoth | not yet.. |
| 00:07.25 | kergoth | i'll put one up in a few |
| 00:07.28 | _Psycho | =p |
| 00:07.35 | _Psycho | cant wait hehe |
| 00:07.48 | kergoth | and i figured whats up with the icons in the corner |
| 00:07.53 | kergoth | QDialog's show X and OK fine |
| 00:07.54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh, what a great resolution |
| 00:07.58 | kergoth | but QWidgets dont have X |
| 00:08.14 | _Psycho | oh |
| 00:08.29 | TCMAN | ooooh, i need $700!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:08.45 | TheMasterMind1 | why are they so expensive |
| 00:08.46 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 00:08.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i should be able to get one for cheap |
| 00:09.00 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm special |
| 00:09.01 | TheMasterMind1 | its not fair! |
| 00:09.40 | kergoth | TCMAN: shop.conics.net |
| 00:09.56 | _Psycho | yes i recommand conics.net |
| 00:10.04 | _Psycho | great guys great service |
| 00:10.12 | _Psycho | great price ! |
| 00:10.29 | TCMAN | kergoth: yeah, big difference, $600 |
| 00:10.44 | TheMasterMind1 | 590 is still expensive |
| 00:11.01 | _Psycho | 500$ for a 5600, 570 for the c700, the 70$ worth it |
| 00:11.26 | kergoth | man |
| 00:11.32 | kergoth | harlekin's big busy indicator rocks |
| 00:11.33 | TCMAN | _Psycho: yes, $190 for 5500 |
| 00:11.33 | kergoth | animated |
| 00:11.34 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone wanna buy an oz developer a c700? =D |
| 00:11.36 | kergoth | you see that treke ? |
| 00:11.45 | kergoth | pretty smoth |
| 00:11.47 | kergoth | smooth |
| 00:11.52 | kergoth | i think we should default to it enabled |
| 00:11.58 | hcarty | Is it possible to make a specific package within buildroot? |
| 00:12.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hcarty: make menuconfig |
| 00:12.23 | _Psycho | make SUBDIR=packages/theone |
| 00:12.27 | treke | kergoth: see what? |
| 00:12.27 | ljp | ehhh, they should buy an opie developer a c700 first |
| 00:12.28 | _Psycho | or something ! |
| 00:12.33 | hcarty | Thanks |
| 00:12.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: why? |
| 00:12.43 | _Psycho | thats similar to that anyway |
| 00:12.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: opie needs nothing special for c700 |
| 00:12.46 | ljp | cause opie rocks |
| 00:12.53 | hcarty | _Psycho: would that then just build theone then? |
| 00:13.06 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 00:13.08 | _Psycho | like |
| 00:13.17 | _Psycho | make SUBDIR=packages/libtool |
| 00:13.19 | ljp | needs testing |
| 00:13.26 | _Psycho | for libtool ! |
| 00:13.46 | treke | kergoth: you suck |
| 00:13.48 | kergoth | treke: go into launcher settings |
| 00:13.53 | kergoth | treke: enable big busy indicator |
| 00:13.57 | kergoth | treke: with recent cvs |
| 00:14.01 | hcarty | _Psycho: thanks |
| 00:14.28 | hcarty | Hmmm...I've made changes, but it still tells me nothing to be done... |
| 00:14.37 | TheMasterMind1 | hcarty: make menuconfig |
| 00:14.43 | treke | kergoth: you can actually use your taskbar |
| 00:14.44 | treke | kergoth: bastard |
| 00:14.47 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 00:14.55 | kergoth | yeah, lotsss of icons can fit there |
| 00:15.00 | kergoth | course they're so small you can barely tap em |
| 00:15.01 | kergoth | but.. |
| 00:15.06 | hcarty | TheMasterMind1: I've selected the package |
| 00:15.18 | hcarty | But I want it to go back and rebuild one specific one |
| 00:15.26 | hcarty | Is that possible from within menuconfig? |
| 00:15.27 | kergoth | hcarty: make SUBDIRS=packages/blah clean; make SUBDIRS+packages/blah; |
| 00:15.29 | kergoth | s/+/=/ |
| 00:15.32 | kergoth | you built it once |
| 00:15.33 | kergoth | its done |
| 00:15.41 | kergoth | you only _rebuild_ by forcing it to clean and build again |
| 00:15.48 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to select all its dependencies too |
| 00:15.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:15.57 | hcarty | Ah, wonderfuul, thanks |
| 00:15.59 | kergoth | okay time to smack opie around a bit |
| 00:16.04 | kergoth | hmm hmm |
| 00:16.22 | ljp | run opie! run! |
| 00:16.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: who did the dynaism english translation for the c700 |
| 00:16.35 | TheMasterMind1 | i forget his nick |
| 00:16.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: lorddavon |
| 00:16.43 | kergoth | he's alos the maxmame maintianer |
| 00:16.49 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen lorddavon |
| 00:16.50 | | lorddavon <davon@ptd-24-31-128-230.maine.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 18d 9h 5m 41s ago, saying: 'Morning everyone.'. |
| 00:16.50 | kergoth | s/ian/ain/; |
| 00:16.54 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 00:16.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:16.59 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:17.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: drop him an email |
| 00:17.17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i should do that |
| 00:17.39 | treke | hrm. hotplug is configuring my usb interface but not bringing it up |
| 00:17.40 | hcarty | That seems to be cleaning everything... |
| 00:17.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the project w/ dynamism i'm working with them on |
| 00:17.48 | kergoth | hcarty: its SUBDIRS, not SUBDIR. |
| 00:17.57 | kergoth | hcarty: if you typod, it'll rebuild everything |
| 00:18.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: huh? |
| 00:18.03 | kergoth | SUBDIRS defines a specific package to operate on |
| 00:18.07 | kergoth | without that, it aplpies globally |
| 00:18.07 | hcarty | urg, crap |
| 00:18.12 | hcarty | Thanks again kergoth |
| 00:18.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i havent heard a fucking thing on this project |
| 00:18.17 | _Psycho | my bad |
| 00:18.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its just sitting there |
| 00:18.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: which project |
| 00:18.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: to fix up the c700 rom |
| 00:18.32 | TheMasterMind1 | heh i see |
| 00:18.32 | chouimat | mmmmm Czechvar |
| 00:18.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the translation to english bit |
| 00:18.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it was supposed to be worked on further |
| 00:18.37 | hcarty | No prob _Psycho, it's just a take a little longer :-) |
| 00:18.40 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 00:18.41 | kergoth | more than jsut what lorddavon did |
| 00:18.44 | TheMasterMind1 | they probably gave up |
| 00:18.46 | kergoth | which is why i have a unit |
| 00:18.47 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 00:18.49 | kergoth | yeah, its weird |
| 00:18.58 | kergoth | so a guy emails all of us who are involved asking whats up |
| 00:19.00 | kergoth | and i replied |
| 00:19.08 | kergoth | now he wants to help us with OZ on it |
| 00:19.10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:19.15 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 00:19.18 | TheMasterMind1 | now that we're done |
| 00:19.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:19.20 | TheMasterMind1 | almost anyway |
| 00:19.50 | nz | nite guys |
| 00:20.22 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.tjhsst.edu/~nmeyer/devnull/comics/04012003.gif |
| 00:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | its me! |
| 00:20.23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:20.28 | TheMasterMind1 | such a great comic |
| 00:21.04 | TheMasterMind1 | so far i'm in the newspaper, in a comic and my wlan was in an oz article |
| 00:21.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: now its just time to tweak Opie a bit.. write a proper kernel keymap.. |
| 00:21.14 | kergoth | then i'll start merging our 2.4.1[89] trees |
| 00:21.19 | TheMasterMind1 | oh joy |
| 00:21.22 | TheMasterMind1 | that should be major fun |
| 00:21.23 | kergoth | get c700 support into -cl2 |
| 00:21.29 | kergoth | it's going to be a pain in the ass |
| 00:21.30 | kergoth | but hey |
| 00:21.36 | TheMasterMind1 | worth it though |
| 00:21.36 | kergoth | more drivers to rewrite no doubt |
| 00:21.38 | kergoth | cause they'll suck |
| 00:21.40 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:21.40 | kergoth | ;) |
| 00:21.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:21.54 | TheMasterMind1 | joy |
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| 00:33.53 | ljp | crud |
| 00:34.23 | kergoth | ljp: found the 640x480 issue |
| 00:34.29 | kergoth | ljp: its QWidgets, theres no X |
| 00:34.33 | kergoth | ljp: QDialog has both X and OK |
| 00:35.09 | ljp | but why would it be different for different screen res? |
| 00:35.23 | kergoth | no idea |
| 00:35.24 | kergoth | its weird |
| 00:35.29 | kergoth | but thats whats happening |
| 00:35.57 | kergoth | time to delve into libqpe eh |
| 00:36.57 | ljp | yup |
| 00:37.22 | masticator | sup kergoth. |
| 00:37.38 | ljp | but its in qwidget though |
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| 00:38.13 | ljp | I mean related |
| 00:38.46 | kergoth | ljp: of course. its qwidget when using a qpeapplication |
| 00:38.48 | kergoth | ljp: right? |
| 00:39.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:39.02 | ljp | yes |
| 00:39.15 | _Psycho | rofl just saw the video of madonna, quite good |
| 00:39.17 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:39.20 | _Psycho | she is hot =p |
| 00:39.21 | kergoth | qpedecoration_qws.cpp |
| 00:39.39 | kergoth | yep, this is it |
| 00:39.56 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.56 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.56 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.56 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:40.40 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:40.51 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.58 | ljp | ahhhh |
| 00:41.02 | kergoth | ljp: i think its related to that.. it tries to create maximize buttons and shit |
| 00:41.19 | ljp | odd |
| 00:41.29 | kergoth | very |
| 00:41.52 | ljp | perhaps 640 would be better |
| 00:42.00 | ljp | or not there at all |
| 00:42.53 | _Psycho | simpad are like 800x600 no ? |
| 00:43.11 | TCMAN | this should not be dependant on any fixed number |
| 00:43.19 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 00:43.39 | kergoth | TCMAN: well, its determining whether to display maximize and minimize button |
| 00:43.46 | kergoth | which makes a certain amount of sense |
| 00:44.23 | _Psycho | http://opie.handhelds.org/images/cebit/phpslideshow.php?directory=.¤tPic=7 |
| 00:44.29 | kergoth | hmm hmm |
| 00:44.39 | chouimat | just got a phone call from the girlfriend of my best friend ... when she caugh him cheating her, he didd an hearth attack |
| 00:44.57 | TCMAN | chouimat: hehe |
| 00:45.00 | ljp | hospital? |
| 00:45.32 | ciaolinux | chouimat: cheating with you? ;-) |
| 00:45.39 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:45.40 | chouimat | ljp: yup ... but fuun is coming for him ... that chick is a fucking bitch ... |
| 00:45.45 | chouimat | ciaolinux: nope |
| 00:45.53 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:46.06 | TCMAN | kergoth: how 350 is any meaningful value ? |
| 00:46.34 | kergoth | TCMAN: i said it made a certain amount of sense. i didnt claim that certain amount was a lot. |
| 00:46.38 | _Psycho | well if you have a c700 horizontal you shoukd have a minimize and vertical you should not ? |
| 00:46.52 | _Psycho | screen resolution wise |
| 00:47.06 | kergoth | _Psycho: good point.. /me rotates.. |
| 00:47.12 | _Psycho | but then if sharp release a c800 with 800x600 that doesnt work :) |
| 00:47.39 | _Psycho | kinda |
| 00:47.58 | TCMAN | i have never seen any minimize buttons on my Z |
| 00:48.04 | kergoth | TCMAN: no shit |
| 00:48.06 | kergoth | of course you havent |
| 00:48.10 | kergoth | is your Z wider than 350? |
| 00:48.12 | kergoth | fuck no it isnt |
| 00:48.15 | _Psycho | because you never > 350 |
| 00:48.32 | ljp | hmmm, I lost my replacement stylus |
| 00:48.39 | TCMAN | right, so why do you need any minimize buttons on bigger screen ? |
| 00:48.47 | ciaolinux | ljp: me too... do you know where to get one? |
| 00:48.50 | kergoth | TCMAN: beacuse you have enough space to have a window NOT maximized! |
| 00:48.51 | _Psycho | so rater than nothing you we should get a minimize button, its just bugged ? |
| 00:49.03 | ljp | ya, office depot |
| 00:49.04 | kergoth | TCMAN: you can have _windows_ floating |
| 00:49.15 | TCMAN | kergoth: blasphemy !!! :) |
| 00:49.17 | kergoth | TCMAN: so minimize and maximize make sense |
| 00:49.19 | _Psycho | office depot deliver in canada ? |
| 00:49.21 | _Psycho | i need one too |
| 00:49.25 | kergoth | this is still a pda, so i doubt this is really necessary |
| 00:49.26 | kergoth | but.. |
| 00:49.29 | ljp | dunno |
| 00:49.31 | ciaolinux | ljp: what is that for (meaning do they sell it compatible for the zaurus or what other pda) |
| 00:49.41 | ljp | for zaurus |
| 00:49.45 | _Psycho | but if you take the simpad its handy |
| 00:49.51 | ciaolinux | ljp: cool... how much is that? |
| 00:50.07 | TCMAN | what exactly is simpad ? |
| 00:50.12 | _Psycho | i saw on sharp site like 10$ for 2 stylus but they dont sdeliver in canada |
| 00:50.15 | _Psycho | http://opie.handhelds.org/images/cebit/phpslideshow.php?directory=.¤tPic=7 |
| 00:51.09 | TCMAN | ah the siemens thingy |
| 00:51.20 | TCMAN | what about this indian simputer thing ? |
| 00:51.42 | ciaolinux | 5$ each? wow... i rather use my finger |
| 00:51.49 | _Psycho | anyway the siemens thing just prove that you need a minimize button =p |
| 00:52.07 | _Psycho | i saw at like 8$ on another isite |
| 00:52.10 | _Psycho | 5$ is nothing |
| 00:52.44 | ljp | a minimize button is $8? |
| 00:52.57 | _Psycho | sharp stylus |
| 00:53.11 | _Psycho | im gonna have to drive down in the vermont to get one i think... |
| 00:53.21 | _Psycho | during war its not the best moment to go to the USA |
| 00:53.24 | _Psycho | from canada |
| 00:53.47 | ljp | ya! you bunch of canadian commies! |
| 00:53.57 | kergoth | arg |
| 00:54.06 | ljp | kill! kill! kill! kill! |
| 00:55.08 | _Psycho | will cost me 20$ of gas to get a 5$ stylus hehe |
| 00:58.53 | ljp | when I travelled through Canada, I found it more difficult to get into the US than to get into Canada, and I am an US citizen! |
| 00:59.02 | _Psycho | of course |
| 00:59.12 | ljp | freedom, my ass |
| 00:59.33 | _Psycho | free ? rofl |
| 01:01.03 | _Psycho | i hope opie doesnt bug bad like my sharp rom is :) |
| 01:01.10 | _Psycho | does it come with libsdl ? |
| 01:01.19 | _Psycho | and should i format before flashing ? |
| 01:01.28 | ljp | opie? no oz? maybe |
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| 01:03.13 | ekkis | how do embedded systems typically handle logfiles anyone? |
| 01:03.28 | ljp | they dont |
| 01:03.43 | ljp | sharp rom has logging turned off |
| 01:03.54 | kergoth | ljp: fyi |
| 01:04.00 | kergoth | ljp: changing it from 350 to 640 solves it |
| 01:04.07 | kergoth | ljp: so sure shit, its the maximize button fucking with it |
| 01:04.10 | _Psycho | woo hehe |
| 01:04.11 | ekkis | ok... let me rephrase, how do developers and users get stats about what's going on with the system? |
| 01:04.23 | kergoth | ekkis: /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 01:04.26 | kergoth | ekkis: logread; |
| 01:04.32 | ljp | maybe /proc |
| 01:04.40 | kergoth | ekkis: our syslog isnt running by default, but when it is, logs to a 64k shared memory buffer accessible via the logread command |
| 01:05.10 | ekkis | aha... No manual entry for logread |
| 01:05.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:05.23 | kergoth | its a busybox thing |
| 01:05.28 | ekkis | i see |
| 01:05.38 | ekkis | anyone out there doing embedded stuff in perl? |
| 01:05.41 | kergoth | okay, time to fix the model string in libopie for c700.. |
| 01:05.51 | kergoth | then, i'll sync my buildroot with bkbits |
| 01:06.03 | kergoth | and ssee what i can do about some of these layout bugs |
| 01:20.49 | hcarty | In buildroot, would 'make SUBDIRS=packages/foo clean-binary' leave the source intact in the build/ dir? |
| 01:23.48 | hcarty | answered my own question... |
| 01:31.32 | hcarty | Finally! Working hardware/panel keys in qtopiagnuboy... |
| 01:31.44 | hcarty | With no loss in speed |
| 01:31.44 | kergoth`bbl | what changes did you have to make to our patch? |
| 01:31.47 | kergoth`bbl | if any |
| 01:32.10 | hcarty | I changed the keybindings, and I had to make the same changes made in the patch, but to a different file, basically |
| 01:32.18 | hcarty | I can send you the altered .cpp files if you'd like |
| 01:32.55 | hcarty | It's setup now to use home as start, cal as 'a', contact as 'b' and the select/middle button as 'select' |
| 01:33.06 | kergoth`bbl | gotcha. send the changes and/or patches and i'll fold them into our build so they make it into the next unstable feed update |
| 01:33.20 | hcarty | Cool, should i email them to you? |
| 01:33.39 | kergoth`bbl | yup |
| 01:33.40 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: kergoth |
| 01:33.41 | | somebody said kergoth was at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 01:33.53 | hcarty | Wonderful, will do |
| 01:34.17 | hcarty | If I get up the determination, I may make the keybindings configurable, but that'll probably be a while |
| 01:34.29 | hcarty | Anyway, thanks for your help in getting this working |
| 01:34.44 | kergoth`bbl | no problem, glad you got it goin |
| 01:35.28 | _Psycho | rom soon ? =p |
| 01:36.06 | kergoth`tv | yeah, doing some tweaking to opie.. make it show c700 in sysinfo n stuff |
| 01:42.01 | hcarty | Sent... |
| 01:43.43 | numatrix | hcarty: were you the person on the mailing list a while back talking about how you had qtopiagnuboy working w/ hardware keys? |
| 01:47.13 | hcarty | No, the first I've tried was yesterday when I hopped on here |
| 01:47.36 | hcarty | But I've tested it here, and it seems to work well |
| 01:48.06 | hcarty | it traps the hardware keys and registers them properly...I can put the ipk somewhere if it's wanted |
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| 02:03.12 | _Psycho | maybe once i flash my c700 hcarty could be nice to have a ipk thingie :) |
| 02:03.59 | hcarty | :-) |
| 02:04.18 | hcarty | I can try...if nothing else I can at least provide a binary... |
| 02:04.31 | treke|ho1e | ibot howtos? |
| 02:04.31 | | howtos is probably http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 02:04.56 | hcarty | i'm having trouble getting the ipk to build properly...I've royally effed up my buildroot setup throughout my tinkering :-) |
| 02:05.17 | treke|ho1e | hcarty: I'd recommend starting fresh :) |
| 02:05.54 | hcarty | yeah, that's what I'll have to do I'm sure...but the binary building worked, which was what I wanted most out of this. |
| 02:06.05 | hcarty | Now I can go back and try to un-break everything else :-) |
| 02:06.24 | hcarty | It just takes so long to compile with everything...but such is life |
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| 02:43.28 | hcarty | For any that are interested in getting it before the changes go into unstable, I put up the ipk for gnuboy w/ hardware keys on a website for download |
| 02:43.44 | hcarty | http://www.mysisterkate.com/hezdev/ |
| 02:44.19 | hcarty | The links are at the top of the page...sorry about the other stuff on there, the page is a hacked together bit from a while ago, and i wanted to put this out now :-) |
| 02:46.07 | _Psycho | thanks i check later when i got time |
| 02:46.46 | hcarty | cool, I hope it works for everyone else as well as it does here |
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| 02:48.37 | hobbs | has anyone hacked xmms-e to make it behave with the buzzer-DSP? |
| 02:49.23 | treke|ho1e | sweet. working hotplug |
| 02:49.38 | chouimat|tv | anyone had John Norman Counter Earth series in eboook format? |
| 02:55.24 | hobbs | BTW, request of sorts: |
| 02:55.40 | hobbs | AI Hearts for the Z. |
| 02:56.00 | hobbs | Or, if you want to be ambitious, n-way IR hearts. ;) |
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| 03:03.44 | treke|ho1e | any oz-ipaq users around? |
| 03:05.23 | hcarty | How would/should I go about submitting the ipk to killefiz's site? Should I enter a new item, or edit the current gnuboy entry? |
| 03:05.37 | treke|ho1e | edit the current entr |
| 03:05.48 | treke|ho1e | what did you change? |
| 03:08.14 | hcarty | Just adding hardware key support/remapping the input keys |
| 03:08.57 | hcarty | It uses home/contact/calendar now instead of j/l/enter |
| 03:09.15 | ljp | thats inconceivable! |
| 03:09.19 | treke|ho1e | cool |
| 03:09.25 | treke|ho1e | maybe it will be playable on the ipaq |
| 03:09.58 | hcarty | If it isn't, it should just be a matter of changing a few constants in the code |
| 03:10.04 | hcarty | Should be easy enough to do |
| 03:10.07 | treke|ho1e | well that and fixing the display code |
| 03:10.16 | hcarty | Ah, are there problems there |
| 03:10.20 | treke|ho1e | yeah |
| 03:10.24 | treke|ho1e | forgot about those :) |
| 03:11.08 | hcarty | That's probably beyond my current abilities then :-) I just made a few lines of changes |
| 03:15.13 | chouimat|tv | wtf is nvrd? |
| 03:15.28 | treke|ho1e | non volitile ram disk |
| 03:15.40 | chouimat|tv | treke|ho1e: ok for the ipaq |
| 03:15.49 | treke|ho1e | and hopefully the zaurus |
| 03:15.54 | _Psycho | phew just finished my game of subspace that thing still a good classic |
| 03:16.01 | treke|ho1e | if kergoth ever gets to .19 and a new bootldr :) |
| 03:16.09 | _Psycho | www.subspace.net, take 5 megs, its free and addictive ;) |
| 03:16.21 | chouimat|tv | treke|ho1e: we will need jtag for that :) |
| 03:16.34 | Speedy2 | That's not necc. true. |
| 03:16.41 | Speedy2 | It just makes it a bit easier. |
| 03:17.23 | kergoth`tv | eh? |
| 03:17.37 | kergoth`tv | 2.4.19 + new bootldr lets us use the nvrd driver just fine |
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| 03:17.42 | Speedy2 | chouimat|tv is saying JTAG is needed to blast in a new bootloader. I was saying that's not completely true. |
| 03:17.42 | Speedy2 | Wait |
| 03:17.51 | Speedy2 | Bootldr is running on the Z now? |
| 03:18.04 | kergoth | oh i see what you were saying |
| 03:18.05 | kergoth | no, not yet |
| 03:18.15 | kergoth | jtag lets us recover if we fuck up |
| 03:18.22 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 03:18.24 | kergoth | i dont feel like writing to that area of flash without it, thanks |
| 03:18.25 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:18.34 | treke|ho1e | hehe :) |
| 03:18.38 | Speedy2 | Which is why I advocate a bootloader that's placed where the kernel goes until its fully debugged. |
| 03:18.44 | kergoth | of course |
| 03:18.50 | kergoth | thats the easiest way to get it rollin |
| 03:18.53 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: http://lapwww.epfl.ch/dev/arm/jelie/ <--- look cool |
| 03:18.57 | kergoth | just need to decide which |
| 03:19.01 | kergoth | blob, u-boot, what |
| 03:19.05 | Speedy2 | Blob sux |
| 03:19.12 | Speedy2 | bootldr (the Compaq one) also sux |
| 03:19.46 | Speedy2 | That Jelie won't work on the StrongARM. |
| 03:19.57 | kergoth | what? |
| 03:19.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:20.29 | Speedy2 | jelie is some JTAG utility for the XScale CPUs (barf). It does't work on the StrongARM |
| 03:20.36 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:20.48 | chouimat|tv | Speedy2: I know ... but I looked to the code and the gdbremote is interesssting and the ezusb too |
| 03:21.45 | kergoth | okay there we go |
| 03:21.53 | kergoth | got a sane arch.conf for our ipkg packages |
| 03:22.41 | ljp | thats inconceivable! |
| 03:23.17 | ljp | i need to watch that movie again |
| 03:23.30 | treke|ho1e | good plan |
| 03:30.55 | _Psycho | hey ker you think im gonna have a rom tonight ? :) |
| 03:32.16 | kergoth | woot |
| 03:32.18 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: Packaged contents of /usr/src/corgi/build/ipktemp/ipkg-0.99.69-1 into ./ipkg_0.99.69-1_corgi.ipk |
| 03:32.21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:32.34 | treke|ho1e | is that intended? |
| 03:32.35 | kergoth | ipkg that includes a custom postinst that creates /etc/ipkg/arch.conf for _corgi_ only |
| 03:32.37 | ljp | hmmm' |
| 03:32.39 | kergoth | yes |
| 03:32.41 | treke|ho1e | ah nice |
| 03:32.43 | kergoth | you see |
| 03:32.49 | kergoth | we dont need runtime devdetection most of the time now |
| 03:33.04 | treke|ho1e | which is probably a good thing |
| 03:33.06 | kergoth | we just create proper per arch packages |
| 03:33.07 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:33.15 | kergoth | so you'll have a h3600 ipkg |
| 03:33.17 | kergoth | and h3600 kernel packages |
| 03:33.18 | kergoth | etc |
| 03:33.24 | treke|ho1e | and libqte |
| 03:33.53 | kergoth | or, you can build a libqte without 2bpp color, and one with |
| 03:33.59 | kergoth | you'd have a generic ipaqsa libqte |
| 03:34.03 | kergoth | and then a h3100 libqte |
| 03:34.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:34.13 | kergoth | and ipkg handles it all pertily |
| 03:34.14 | _Psycho | it seem taht stuff work good tonight, and was going bad yesterday =p |
| 03:34.18 | _Psycho | ibot: wednesday |
| 03:34.19 | | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 03:34.19 | treke|ho1e | h3100 is 4bpp, I think :) |
| 03:34.24 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: you get the point |
| 03:34.26 | numatrix | hcarty: fyi, have you tested your binary with the sharp rom as well? I'd rather not remove the link to the existing qtopia without first making sure it doesn't break too much on sharp. |
| 03:34.26 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: :) |
| 03:34.28 | treke|ho1e | yup |
| 03:34.38 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: the more I use patcher, the more I love it :) |
| 03:34.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:34.43 | kergoth | me too |
| 03:34.47 | kergoth | it saves _so_ much time |
| 03:34.53 | kergoth | copying and reextracting source trees |
| 03:34.55 | kergoth | to diff against |
| 03:34.57 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:35.06 | treke|ho1e | was just able to fix one of the middle patches for hotplug with almost zero effort |
| 03:35.08 | hcarty | numatrix: I haven't tested it |
| 03:35.20 | treke|ho1e | patcher -b |
| 03:35.30 | treke|ho1e | patcher debian/postinst-oz |
| 03:35.33 | treke|ho1e | pather -r |
| 03:35.33 | treke|ho1e | :) |
| 03:35.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:35.37 | hcarty | I have OZ on my Z right now, and I'm hoping someone with the sharp rom can test at some point |
| 03:35.37 | kergoth | gotta love it |
| 03:35.41 | kergoth | there are a few things i want |
| 03:35.41 | kergoth | like |
| 03:35.47 | kergoth | patcher vi debian/postinst-oz |
| 03:35.49 | kergoth | ala bk |
| 03:36.00 | kergoth | which gets it ready for editing and spawns vi |
| 03:36.06 | numatrix | hcarty: See if you can find someone to test it on sharp; if it works, I'll update the link of zsi. |
| 03:36.12 | treke|ho1e | I should have plug and play usbnetworking for ipaq tonight |
| 03:36.16 | kergoth | nice! |
| 03:36.37 | treke|ho1e | it doesnt get around the little annoyances of the drivers, but it doesnt require user set up |
| 03:36.41 | numatrix | hcarty: yeah, I've got oz on as well, otherwise I'd help. :-) |
| 03:36.43 | hcarty | numatrix: alrighty, will do. You can just put up a link saying it's experimental, or something of the sort if you'd like |
| 03:37.23 | treke|ho1e | whenever you suspend and resume you have to remove the ipaq from the cradle :) |
| 03:37.26 | numatrix | hcarty: Hmm, yeah, we'll just do that for now and leave the existing link as well. If you ever get it checked, drop me an email or submit another zsi change and I'll update it. |
| 03:37.45 | hcarty | numatrix: will do, thanks |
| 03:38.51 | numatrix | hcarty: no problem, thanks for making the ipk. I did some work on hw buttons a while back, but it was before the changes were in the sdl libs that allowed keytrapping some of the keys so I never got real far. |
| 03:41.10 | numatrix | hcarty: That is, I was doing work with gameboyz, not qtopiagnuboy. Since gameboyz uses sdl... |
| 03:41.40 | _Psycho | ibot snes9x |
| 03:41.40 | | Portable, freeware Super Nintendo Entertainment System(SNES) emulator. URL: http://www.snes9x.com |
| 03:41.46 | _Psycho | ibots zsnes |
| 03:42.02 | _Psycho | ibot zsnes |
| 03:42.03 | | _Psycho: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:42.19 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: cool. opie got its own section in debian :) |
| 03:42.20 | _Psycho | i though that would give me some good zaurus link hehe |
| 03:43.13 | ljp | great. thats all we need is a bunch of debian users using opie |
| 03:43.14 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: nice |
| 03:43.16 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: bk pull |
| 03:43.21 | treke|ho1e | "embedded" |
| 03:43.55 | _Psycho | ibot zsnes is http://zsnes.sourceforge.net or www.zsnes.com |
| 03:43.56 | | okay, _Psycho |
| 03:44.02 | _Psycho | ibot zsnes is http://zsnes.sourceforge.net or http://www.zsnes.com |
| 03:44.03 | | i already had it that way, _Psycho |
| 03:44.08 | _Psycho | ;) |
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| 03:51.00 | kergoth | shit treke|ho1e, we need to do something about the kernel package generation.. to set the architecture |
| 03:51.05 | kergoth | wonder how jamey is doing that atm |
| 03:56.46 | treke|ho1e | the current method he's using is adding it to the package name |
| 03:56.50 | kergoth | well, we can just add an Architecture field to the base control file |
| 03:57.03 | treke|ho1e | so its kernel-image-sa and kernel-image-pxa |
| 03:57.07 | kergoth | no, he's using the ipkg arch field now |
| 03:57.12 | kergoth | kernel-image-sa is deprecated |
| 03:57.21 | kergoth | kernel-image is it now, with architecture set to ipaqsa |
| 03:57.30 | kergoth | i sat in #handhelds.org all day today |
| 03:57.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:57.59 | _Psycho | damn its getting late =p |
| 03:58.18 | kergoth | okay okay fine |
| 03:58.25 | _Psycho | rofl |
| 03:58.26 | kergoth | i'll upload the current image |
| 03:58.29 | _Psycho | you know i had a bad day ! |
| 03:58.49 | _Psycho | i had to install bind 8.2.4 on a frigging 6 years old os SCO with dynamics DNS from win2k updating it |
| 03:59.11 | _Psycho | what a pain |
| 03:59.46 | thMachine | thmachin@red thmachin $ |
| 03:59.59 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: ah. this is as of a week or to ago :) |
| 04:00.06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:00.11 | kergoth | anyway |
| 04:00.53 | numatrix | _Psycho: you actually got dynamic dns working with it? Wow. |
| 04:01.09 | kergoth | all we need to do is add Architecture to the control file you're using in one of the dirs on the ipkg-make-kernel-packages line |
| 04:01.29 | _Psycho | did i said it was a pain ? :) |
| 04:01.42 | _Psycho | god would have been faster to just install a linux to do it |
| 04:03.24 | numatrix | _Psycho: even linux doing dyndns with win2k sucks. Dyndns in general kinda sucks depending on the deployment. |
| 04:03.55 | treke|ho1e | yup |
| 04:04.16 | treke|ho1e | btw, packet-modules has been removed from the dependencies list |
| 04:04.22 | kergoth | woot |
| 04:04.26 | kergoth | one less annoyance |
| 04:04.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:05.04 | _Psycho | num i know it suck |
| 04:05.13 | _Psycho | num we probably change it soon |
| 04:05.34 | _Psycho | we see about it later anyway we have others stuff to do first |
| 04:16.56 | _Psycho | kergoth what speed do you upload at? |
| 04:18.04 | kergoth | _Psycho: had to rebuild the kernel, the existing one was verbose and had serial console and stuff |
| 04:18.10 | kergoth | just finished |
| 04:18.16 | _Psycho | oh not like i mind :) |
| 04:19.24 | kergoth | hehe. its building a new image now |
| 04:19.45 | _Psycho | i wish i would not get up at 6h00 to go work :) |
| 04:19.56 | _Psycho | cant wait to get my new car should save 30 min the morning ! |
| 04:20.09 | kergoth | hehe. nice |
| 04:20.12 | kergoth | when do you get it? |
| 04:20.16 | _Psycho | friday max |
| 04:20.19 | _Psycho | been waiting for 2 weeks+ |
| 04:20.25 | kergoth | damn |
| 04:20.27 | _Psycho | i doubt i get it tomroow night but i try |
| 04:20.31 | _Psycho | take forever :/ |
| 04:20.39 | _Psycho | had planned stuff long ago with it |
| 04:20.43 | _Psycho | sucked |
| 04:20.44 | _Psycho | anyway |
| 04:21.19 | _Psycho | what do you have ? |
| 04:21.25 | kergoth | athlon 1ghz |
| 04:21.40 | _Psycho | damn i can give you a ssh on my box =p |
| 04:21.49 | _Psycho | but i reboot often the night so its not good ;) |
| 04:21.56 | _Psycho | i mean when im home |
| 04:22.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:22.25 | kergoth | i should make a page where people can contribute by giving me access to a distcc port on a box |
| 04:22.51 | _Psycho | but like i just have a 1.8 anywya with 512 megs |
| 04:22.57 | _Psycho | not the big thing |
| 04:23.07 | _Psycho | too bad the new server at work is under win2k |
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| 04:23.18 | StarKruzr | guten abend, alles |
| 04:24.41 | _Psycho | i hope you dont do full compile everytime |
| 04:24.45 | _Psycho | took me a while on my pc ;) |
| 04:24.48 | _Psycho | to do one hehe |
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| 04:27.47 | numatrix | crap; any sdl troubleshooters around? |
| 04:28.18 | Bala | numatrix: if its a simple question |
| 04:28.47 | numatrix | I just compiled an sdl nintendo emulator for the zaurus. I've successfully compiled previous versions of it, however newer versions tend to segfault. |
| 04:28.56 | numatrix | I ran gdb and the error I got was: |
| 04:28.56 | numatrix | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 04:28.57 | numatrix | 0x404aabac in QPEApplication::grabKeyboard () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqpe.so.1 |
| 04:29.52 | Bala | i'd say grabKeyboard() is causeing a segfault ;) |
| 04:29.54 | _Psycho | kergoth should i flush my mtdblock3 before i flash your rom ? |
| 04:30.12 | numatrix | Bala: Ohhh... I see. :-) |
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| 04:31.26 | Bala | numatrix: you could compile qpe with -g and then debug it. |
| 04:32.05 | mantus | has anyone used the new version of snes9x? |
| 04:32.21 | numatrix | Bala: I'm novice here, so let me double check what I'm doing. I can go in my buildroot and manually add -g to the compile flags and it will enable some debugging? |
| 04:32.55 | numatrix | to the compile flags for qpe, that is |
| 04:33.03 | numatrix | mantus: Not I; I'm not running X on my z. |
| 04:33.28 | numatrix | mantus: Though if I heard reports it was a decent speed, I'd probably install it just for that. |
| 04:33.28 | Bala | numatrix: it will include the stabs debug info in the lib.. so you can trace through the library call. |
| 04:33.35 | Bala | with gdb |
| 04:34.12 | mantus | numatrix: yea, a new version has just been released, but a previos verion i used was unbearably slow even with a high frameskip |
| 04:34.25 | Bala | but the lib will get BIG |
| 04:34.43 | numatrix | Bala: hmm, I might not have enough room for that right now. I might persue that later. |
| 04:35.05 | numatrix | The wierd thing is that that call is made in SDL_sysvideo.cc, and it's made by pretty much EVERY sdl app, right? |
| 04:36.30 | kergoth | _Psycho: dont need to |
| 04:36.35 | kergoth | _Psycho: bleh, sf is being a bitch again |
| 04:36.46 | kergoth | trying to upload it |
| 04:36.51 | Bala | numatrix: you could compile libSDL and the app for qtopia on x86.. and debug on your host machine. |
| 04:36.59 | _Psycho | wanna drop it on another ftp ? |
| 04:37.01 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 04:37.10 | numatrix | Bala: Hmm, good idea. |
| 04:37.23 | _Psycho | ah ok well just a lots of stuff into mtdblock3 nothing i need was wondering if it was good to clear |
| 04:39.40 | numatrix | Sweet; neo added iconify window functionality to SDL for qtopia. very nice. |
| 04:40.03 | numatrix | Hadn't noticed that from before. |
| 04:40.15 | kergoth | ~bitchslap sourceforge |
| 04:40.16 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sourceforge |
| 04:41.34 | kergoth | _Psycho: you have an ftp to put it on? cause i have no public space anywhere except SF :P |
| 04:41.46 | _Psycho | mail.gowilco.com wilco / photo |
| 04:41.51 | _Psycho | should work |
| 04:42.08 | mantus | should kismet auto set a wlan card to monitor or do i have to do it manually? |
| 04:42.09 | _Psycho | considering you will put it on sf later or something :) |
| 04:42.20 | numatrix | mantus: you have to configure the kismet.conf file usually. |
| 04:42.23 | _Psycho | could create a real http url or ftp if really needed but i doubt ;) |
| 04:42.26 | numatrix | mantus: and tell what type of card it is |
| 04:42.55 | kergoth | mantus: you have to run kismet_hopper or kismet_monitor first |
| 04:43.12 | mantus | where can i find html man pages for it? |
| 04:43.31 | kergoth | ibot: google for kismet |
| 04:43.33 | numatrix | mantus: read the kismet docs, it's relatively well explained. Or just browse the config file. |
| 04:43.36 | numatrix | yeah, that too |
| 04:43.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:44.02 | numatrix | I always use the long explanation when a short one will do. |
| 04:44.07 | kergoth | hm, i cant seem to scp anywhere |
| 04:44.51 | _Psycho | i doubr that ftp server accept scp |
| 04:44.59 | mantus | can prism2 be used if the card is 2.5? |
| 04:45.02 | chouimat|tv | that debug session is BORING |
| 04:45.16 | treke|ho1e | someone recommend a book thats worth reading |
| 04:45.28 | mantus | treke|ho1e: enders game |
| 04:45.28 | chouimat|tv | treke|ho1e: what kind? |
| 04:45.37 | treke|ho1e | I dunno. any |
| 04:45.45 | _Psycho | Microsoft windows server 2003 for dummies |
| 04:45.46 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 04:45.47 | numatrix | mantus: dang, that's funny, I was going to recommend ender's shadow. I just got it back from a friend who was loaning it. |
| 04:46.09 | mantus | numatrix: actually, i think enders shadow might be better |
| 04:46.12 | chouimat|tv | treke|ho1e: David Eddinggs The Redemption of Althalus |
| 04:46.17 | mantus | imo |
| 04:46.25 | _Psycho | well gonna take a bit |
| 04:46.27 | _Psycho | brb in 10 |
| 04:46.58 | kergoth | eddings? iha vent read anything of his since the belgariad, mallorian series |
| 04:47.12 | kergoth | s/,/&/; |
| 04:47.37 | numatrix | kergoth: I read the umm, what's it called (/me looks at his bookshelf). The redemption of althus. That was pretty good. |
| 04:47.55 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: that one is newest ... like belgariad/malorrian, Talmuli/elenium but in one book ... lot of laught |
| 04:48.10 | mantus | numatrix: ooooo, the third shadow book is out ... |
| 04:48.48 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: ah, should read that |
| 04:49.26 | numatrix | That's so wierd; I was thinking of one of the great scenes from the first book of the belgariad. The scene where Silk was leading Garrion through the conversation with the duke who knew finger talk. I loved those books. |
| 04:49.35 | numatrix | chouimat|tv: heh; I'm a little slow. :-) |
| 04:50.08 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: the fiirst time I read it I was living with my brother and I pissed him off laughing in the middle of the night |
| 04:51.17 | numatrix | Dang it; compiling fceu on my desktop proves nothing. The desktop compile uses the X version of SDL, not the QT version. |
| 04:52.28 | kergoth | numatrix: so build a x86 qt/e sdl |
| 04:52.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:53.28 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah, I suppose I could. /me grumbles about making more work for himself. |
| 04:53.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:53.50 | chouimat|tv | woooohoooooo ported OE on the vmips emulator |
| 04:54.03 | kergoth | _Psycho: eta 3 mins 49 seconds on your initrd.bin |
| 04:54.18 | chouimat|tv | errr nope thhat dont work :( |
| 04:56.20 | _Psycho | yeah saw that |
| 04:56.28 | mantus | kergoth: apparently socket cards use the pcap cature method and kismet needs to be (already is) built for this. think that build could make it into the feed? |
| 04:56.28 | _Psycho | gonna move in on a http if you wanna link it after |
| 04:56.38 | kergoth | mantus: what? |
| 04:56.46 | mantus | there are 2 build of kismet |
| 04:56.48 | kergoth | mantus: kismet is built for use with pcap |
| 04:56.54 | kergoth | i fail to see what the hell you're referring to |
| 04:57.00 | kergoth | kismet in the oz feeds is built for use with pcap |
| 04:57.07 | kergoth | as thas the capture method for both socket/symbol and hostap |
| 04:57.28 | mantus | hmm, maybe i just suck then |
| 04:57.52 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.55 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.59 | kergoth | -enable-zaurus --without-ethereal --with-pcap=linux --disable-setuid |
| 04:58.00 | kergoth | mantus: taken directly from the makefile used to build kismet for OZ |
| 05:00.18 | hcarty | Is the 'new' vs 'classic' ipk format just OZ vs Sharp, or is it OZ 3.2 vs everything else? |
| 05:00.26 | numatrix | hcarty: OZ vs sharp |
| 05:00.45 | hcarty | numatrix: thanks |
| 05:00.46 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 05:00.49 | numatrix | hcarty: np |
| 05:00.52 | kergoth | more like everyone else vs sharp |
| 05:00.55 | kergoth | familiar, oz, etc |
| 05:00.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:00.57 | numatrix | yeah. |
| 05:01.18 | numatrix | kergoth: Did they bother to update the ipk for their newer (5600, c700) roms? Or were they stubborn? |
| 05:01.22 | hcarty | I rebuilt the gnuboy ipk as classic, so I'm going to put both up on the site |
| 05:01.33 | kergoth | numatrix: still uses both ancient busybox and ancient ipkg |
| 05:01.36 | kergoth | _Psycho: 0040cc54b3076b3383c476332d1c17c7 build/linux/arch/arm/boot/zImage |
| 05:01.36 | numatrix | hcarty: Ok; I'll be looking for sharp success stories as well. |
| 05:01.41 | numatrix | kergoth: Why am I not surprised? |
| 05:01.46 | kergoth | _Psycho: b1a8afc4d04901e3176d1ae632743da4 output/images/initrd.bin |
| 05:01.56 | kergoth | _Psycho: both are uploaded, confirm the md5s match before flashing |
| 05:02.05 | numatrix | has anyone else gotten znester working on OZ? |
| 05:02.14 | kergoth | i dont even know what it is :) |
| 05:02.27 | numatrix | It appears to segfault the same way fceu does. |
| 05:02.38 | mantus | znester is said not to work with oz |
| 05:02.40 | numatrix | kergoth: nes emulator: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=979 |
| 05:02.42 | StarKruzr | can someone explain to me how to use opie-tabmanager? |
| 05:02.45 | numatrix | mantus: yeah, I'm the one who said that. :-) |
| 05:02.50 | _Psycho | i think i just crashed the server kergoth |
| 05:02.58 | numatrix | StarKruzr: drag and drop the icons where you want them to go. |
| 05:03.00 | kergoth | _Psycho: ack |
| 05:03.03 | mantus | numatrix: zsi says it |
| 05:03.04 | numatrix | StarKruzr: it doesn't look like you're dragging, but you are. |
| 05:03.07 | StarKruzr | numatrix: They don't drag |
| 05:03.09 | numatrix | mantus: Right. I put it in zsi. :-) |
| 05:03.09 | StarKruzr | ... |
| 05:03.10 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 05:03.11 | numatrix | StarKruzr: yes, they do. |
| 05:03.17 | mantus | ok mr smarty pants |
| 05:03.20 | mantus | :) |
| 05:04.04 | numatrix | StarKruzr: I know it's not the best feedback of an interface, but it works... |
| 05:04.22 | _Psycho | shit thats bad news |
| 05:04.26 | _Psycho | all i did is a stupid find |
| 05:04.52 | numatrix | mantus: You willing to try it out as well? I want to make sure I'm not just borked. Cause if so, it looks like there's some common issue with some sdl apps that craps out in qtopia (I don't think it's sharp vs. oz related, I think it's sdl-qtopia) |
| 05:05.16 | numatrix | ~seen Neo|Work |
| 05:05.16 | | neo|work is currently on #zaurus (9h 22m 40s) #openembedded (9h 22m 40s). Has said a total of 107 messages. Is idling for 3h 30m |
| 05:05.19 | _Psycho | god dammit, hard to believe i crashed the mail server =p |
| 05:05.43 | mantus | numatrix: yea, you using latest sdl or sdl from oz (if they are different) |
| 05:06.01 | numatrix | mantus: oz sdl. Doesn't OZ pull the cvs? |
| 05:06.02 | kergoth | sdl for oz is built from cvs, generally |
| 05:06.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:06.06 | numatrix | yeah. |
| 05:06.07 | mantus | i dunno |
| 05:06.11 | kergoth | so they're one and the same |
| 05:06.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:06.15 | numatrix | I thought so; went digging in the package to make sure. |
| 05:06.59 | mantus | its called libsdl1.2qte whereas the link from zsi gives a 1.2.6 |
| 05:06.59 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 05:07.11 | mantus | StarKruzr: kazaa |
| 05:07.17 | StarKruzr | ah yes |
| 05:07.22 | StarKruzr | GB games played like poop on my iPaq under Wince |
| 05:07.28 | StarKruzr | so we shall see |
| 05:07.29 | numatrix | mantus: But I think the problem has been around longer than that; I dunno. It might be two unrelated SDL crashes on two different pieces of software, but I know for a fact that fceultra compiled and ran as of version... (checks) 0.81, I believe, but craps on any newer version. |
| 05:07.32 | hcarty | numatrix: I have both ipks up now, each linked as downloads |
| 05:07.41 | numatrix | StarKruzr: they play great in either qtopiagnuboy, or gameboyz. |
| 05:07.45 | numatrix | hcarty: Cool. |
| 05:08.18 | numatrix | mantus: It's the 1.2 line of sdl, but if you check the source for the buildroot, it's getting cvs. |
| 05:08.23 | mantus | blah, kismet (from kismetwireless.com) gives dep. errors |
| 05:08.25 | kergoth | mantus: a package name or filename is irrelevent |
| 05:08.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:08.47 | kergoth | of course it does, those packages are almost certainly made for use with sharp |
| 05:08.48 | chouimat|Zzzzz | ok i'm off |
| 05:08.49 | numatrix | But like I said, if the problem I suspect is there, it's gonna be in ~all~ of the versions of libsdl. Now's definitely the time I wish I knew what i was doing. |
| 05:08.52 | _Psycho | damn thing thats good suck tomorow i hope not a lots of peoples will notice that the mail is down |
| 05:09.15 | _Psycho | night kergoth, thanks for the images =p i test it tomorow i guess no choice |
| 05:10.00 | kergoth | k, night |
| 05:10.11 | _Psycho | sucky :/ |
| 05:10.14 | _Psycho | grrr |
| 05:10.48 | mantus | kergoth: is there anyway (aside from running a httpd) to get local ipk's treated like they are on a feed? |
| 05:10.56 | kergoth | yes |
| 05:11.03 | kergoth | if you've created a local Packages file like a feed |
| 05:11.06 | kergoth | you can simply |
| 05:11.16 | kergoth | echo 'src file:/mnt/cf' >> /etc/ipkg.conf; ipkg update; ipkg install packagename |
| 05:11.21 | kergoth | er |
| 05:11.24 | kergoth | src local file:/mnt/cf |
| 05:11.29 | kergoth | you need to name the src |
| 05:11.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:12.21 | numatrix | mantus: Do you really need them to be treated like a feed? Doesn't the local file options work well enough? |
| 05:12.38 | mantus | numatrix: well, feeds auto get and install deps |
| 05:12.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:12.54 | kergoth | i use that pretty often |
| 05:12.56 | kergoth | i put a feed on my cf card |
| 05:13.39 | numatrix | mantus: ahh, yeah, that'll do it. |
| 05:13.43 | numatrix | Hmm, that's a really good idea. |
| 05:13.51 | kergoth | its handy |
| 05:13.55 | mantus | src local file = package listing? |
| 05:14.18 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:14.24 | mantus | nevermind |
| 05:14.25 | kergoth | a source is of the form |
| 05:14.30 | kergoth | src [name] [path] |
| 05:14.34 | kergoth | i called it local |
| 05:14.39 | kergoth | and the path is file:[location] |
| 05:14.44 | kergoth | where location is /mnt/cf in this case |
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| 05:15.46 | numatrix | kergoth: ever figure out what caused the blanking of the text in tab completion when ssh'ed in? |
| 05:16.34 | kergoth | nah, too many bigger fish to fry |
| 05:16.41 | kergoth | put that in the bug tracker, will you? |
| 05:17.07 | numatrix | kergoth: sure; should it go in the busybox tracker or in the OZ tracker? |
| 05:17.28 | kergoth | oz, i'll take care of pursuing it with the busybox folks if need be |
| 05:17.34 | numatrix | kergoth: will do. |
| 05:19.22 | mantus | yea, znester segfaults for me too |
| 05:20.39 | numatrix | mantus: ok; not just me. Hmm, wierd. The guy who submitted it said he tried it, so supposedly it works on the sharp rom. We'll probably start getting complaints to the zsi list if it doesn't work on sharp, either. |
| 05:20.44 | numatrix | mantus: thanks for testing that out. |
| 05:20.54 | mantus | np |
| 05:21.19 | mantus | definalty looks sdl related though |
| 05:22.08 | mantus | the last time i had any sdl apps working properly was with 1.2.5 |
| 05:22.10 | mantus | cvs |
| 05:22.47 | numatrix | mantus: Hmm. I assume someone's tested prboom lately? |
| 05:22.57 | mantus | not i |
| 05:23.18 | mantus | i got sick of it when i couldnt figure out how to open doors :) |
| 05:23.36 | numatrix | mantus: heh, yeah, remapping that key was the first thing I did. |
| 05:23.45 | StarKruzr | hey, while we're at it |
| 05:23.55 | StarKruzr | can someone explain to me what BusyBox is and why everything I do refers to it? |
| 05:23.59 | numatrix | ok, it's late, I'm heading to bed all. Take it easy. |
| 05:24.02 | hcarty | I've used scummvm, which uses sdl I believe, but i think I used the gnurou.org sdl libs |
| 05:24.07 | numatrix | StarKruzr: http://busybox.net/ |
| 05:24.08 | hcarty | goodnight |
| 05:24.20 | StarKruzr | thanks numatrix |
| 05:24.24 | numatrix | StarKruzr: first paragraph. no problem. |
| 05:24.33 | numatrix | hcarty: later; I'll let you know if I ever get it working. |
| 05:24.51 | hcarty | numatrix: thanks, and i'll let you know if I get a chance to mess with it |
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| 05:28.04 | kergoth | mithro: ? you're following the instructions on the BuildingQtForOpie page? |
| 05:28.10 | kergoth | or are you using buildroot? |
| 05:28.16 | mithro | using buildroot |
| 05:28.20 | kergoth | what device? |
| 05:28.25 | mithro | sl-c700 |
| 05:28.44 | kergoth | i just flashed my c700 with a working image about an hour ago |
| 05:28.52 | Speedy2 | Does the C700 have a better bootloader? |
| 05:28.56 | mithro | i must be doing something totally stupid |
| 05:29.17 | mithro | i'm so going to kick myself when i figure it out |
| 05:29.18 | kergoth | your buildroot needs to be up to date |
| 05:29.21 | kergoth | as of TODAY |
| 05:29.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:29.34 | kergoth | bk pull; bk -r co -q; make SUBDIRS=packages/qte clean; make |
| 05:29.39 | kergoth | Speedy2: no, angel. |
| 05:29.50 | mithro | kergoth: do you think you could cc the image to me to i can compare diffrences? |
| 05:29.59 | kergoth | what are you going to compare? |
| 05:30.00 | kergoth | its binaries |
| 05:30.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:30.11 | kergoth | i'm telling you, update your buildroot immediately |
| 05:30.12 | mithro | files actually |
| 05:30.15 | kergoth | and wipe and rebuild qt/e |
| 05:30.21 | kergoth | what files? |
| 05:30.22 | mithro | doing it now |
| 05:30.23 | mantus | anyone have an old (1.2.5) build of sdl? |
| 05:30.33 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Jesus, they're using Angel? That's sick. Oh well. I guess it's better than the POS Sharp loader. |
| 05:30.36 | kergoth | mithro: opie on c700 didnt work yesterday. it works today. |
| 05:30.39 | kergoth | mithro: .. |
| 05:30.39 | mithro | okay i'll go try now |
| 05:30.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:30.55 | StarKruzr | kergoth, you have a C700? |
| 05:30.59 | StarKruzr | how do you like it so far? |
| 05:31.04 | kergoth | mithro: i told you days ago it wasnt working, and that i'd spend time on it when i could |
| 05:31.17 | kergoth | StarKruzr: the lcd is amazing |
| 05:31.19 | mithro | hrm i had the opie compiled without tslib working on my sl-c700 (with no touch screen) |
| 05:31.21 | kergoth | StarKruzr: as is the formfactor |
| 05:31.24 | kergoth | mithro: obviously |
| 05:31.29 | kergoth | mithro: i'm talking about with touchscreen |
| 05:31.34 | StarKruzr | how's the audio quality? |
| 05:31.35 | kergoth | mithro: you dont need to tell _me_ whats working |
| 05:31.45 | kergoth | mithro: i did the changes to make it work in the first place |
| 05:32.14 | mithro | kergoth: but i couldn't get any qt with tslib working... by working in mean any display or nothing... |
| 05:32.20 | mantus | kergoth: what file lists installed ipks? |
| 05:32.28 | kergoth | I KNOW |
| 05:32.31 | kergoth | i know exactly how it behaved |
| 05:32.34 | kergoth | i know why it behaved that way |
| 05:32.39 | kergoth | and i know why it works now |
| 05:32.47 | mithro | okay |
| 05:32.49 | kergoth | dont fucking waste my time |
| 05:32.53 | kergoth | just wipe and rebuild |
| 05:32.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:32.56 | kergoth | mantus: what? |
| 05:33.37 | mantus | kergoth: i removed some ipk's but they are still listed so i need to manually remove the entries |
| 05:33.44 | kergoth | mantus: /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 05:33.55 | kergoth | mantus: or /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/status, or what have you |
| 05:34.02 | mantus | k thx |
| 05:44.00 | mithro | bblr |
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| 05:49.06 | mantus | znester works with older version of libsdl (1.2.5) |
| 05:49.10 | Rince | Hmm... has anyone seen this behaviour before?: I have running a WaveLAN-Card. It works fine for ssh, but as soon as I try to use fbvncserver to my client, it freezes somewhere within the connection and synchronisation of the picture... |
| 05:52.34 | Speedy2 | Later all. |
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| 06:21.31 | HCl | yawn |
| 06:25.13 | tassian | dito |
| 06:29.22 | mantus | anyone here? |
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| 06:50.33 | mchang | evening |
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| 07:31.39 | greear | any opie gurus on board? |
| 07:33.35 | TCMAN | its been quiet here for a while |
| 07:33.55 | mchang | not me! |
| 07:42.19 | HCl | cant say i am.. |
| 07:47.03 | greear | well, I can't get it to compile...will poke at it some more in a bit |
| 07:48.00 | TCMAN | greear: what do you compile ? |
| 07:48.09 | greear | 'make' |
| 07:48.13 | TCMAN | there are probs with openssl |
| 07:48.21 | TCMAN | and xinelib |
| 07:48.21 | greear | fixed that already |
| 07:48.27 | greear | haven't seen that one yet |
| 07:48.42 | greear | In file included from power.cpp:24: |
| 07:48.42 | greear | custom.h:25: asm/sharp_apm.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:48.42 | greear | make[3]: *** [power.o] Error 1 |
| 07:48.53 | greear | this is while building opie |
| 07:49.13 | TCMAN | greear: yeah, i got that too :) turned off compiling apm :) |
| 07:49.37 | greear | also, it seems that konq-gifplugin is compiled before opie, which will not work (it appears) |
| 07:49.57 | greear | how to turn it off...and if apm==powermanagement, don't we really want that in?? |
| 07:50.01 | TCMAN | greear: i havent compiled that either |
| 07:50.14 | TCMAN | greear: do you actually build your own rom ? |
| 07:50.22 | greear | I think konq may work after I get opie compiled. |
| 07:50.27 | greear | I'm trying like hell too :) |
| 07:50.36 | greear | I want to patch the kernel some.... |
| 07:50.46 | greear | er s/too/to |
| 07:51.14 | greear | how did you turn off apm, in the package make file? |
| 07:51.33 | TCMAN | i only built buildroot once in my life yesterday |
| 07:51.36 | TCMAN | make menuconfig |
| 07:51.54 | greear | heh, that's once more than me...but I did start yesterday ;) |
| 07:52.01 | greear | ok...will try that. |
| 07:52.26 | TCMAN | greear: i just built it to have env to build other stuff |
| 07:52.45 | TCMAN | greear: i have added midnight commander to buildroot and it works :) |
| 07:52.58 | TCMAN | greear: maybe kergoth will check it in :) |
| 07:53.24 | greear | good luck :) |
| 07:53.46 | greear | eventually, I'll get vconfig (for 802.1q vlans working..though not sure if anyone really needs that on a pda :) |
| 07:54.39 | TCMAN | what is 802.1q ? |
| 07:54.56 | TCMAN | i lost count somewhere around g :) |
| 07:55.18 | greear | VLAN protocol..mainly used for GigE switches & servers & other network stuff |
| 07:55.26 | TCMAN | b is 11mbit, a is 55mbit, g is some better authentication/encryption |
| 07:55.51 | greear | q is got nothing to do with wireless, per se. |
| 07:55.59 | TCMAN | greear: oh, i see, there must be zillions of home users waiting for this :))))) |
| 07:56.05 | TCMAN | hmm, maybe a is 22mbit |
| 07:56.48 | greear | I plan to make my zaurus a network traffic generator...like simulate 100 mac address/ip pairs and generate http/ftp/etc traffic... |
| 07:57.09 | greear | but right now, can't get a desktop class machine to do it..so gonna take some tuning :) |
| 07:59.07 | greear | TCMAN: remember where you found apm in the menuconfig ? |
| 08:00.22 | greear | ahh, found apmd |
| 08:01.55 | greear | but turning it off didn't help |
| 08:02.13 | TCMAN | greear: i dont know then |
| 08:02.23 | TCMAN | look for the file in buildroot |
| 08:05.35 | greear | doing a bk pull, I notice midnight commander was added :) |
| 08:10.20 | greear | darn..mrproper was smarter than I thought...now I gotta download everything :P |
| 08:12.16 | TCMAN | greear: yay! |
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| 08:45.37 | kolla | are the qt apps for affix avaible for OZ3.2? |
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| 08:50.55 | schurig | btw: for OZ there is the sharp-camera module. Is there any application in OZ that can display the image of the camera? |
| 08:54.08 | greear | if it saves as gif or jpg then konq could, I imagine. |
| 08:55.56 | mickeyl | schurig: guess who is working on opie-camera... |
| 08:55.58 | TCMAN | mooview ? |
| 08:55.58 | mickeyl | schurig: in the meantime, you can use sq_camera from Sharp ROM |
| 08:56.00 | mickeyl | moint, btw. |
| 08:56.02 | mickeyl | moin even |
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| 09:02.29 | kolla | heh.. opie player still has no way of selecting multiple files out from the filesystem |
| 09:03.34 | kolla | meaning it still sucks for "add all files in this directory to the play list" |
| 09:05.46 | kolla | hm.. "No demux plugin found for this media" |
| 09:06.37 | kolla | and there is froze |
| 09:06.45 | kolla | kergoth`bbl: it happened again |
| 09:06.53 | kolla | and this time I wasnt removing any card |
| 09:07.19 | kolla | just tried to fire op op2 |
| 09:07.43 | kolla | ah.. just opie that froze |
| 09:07.55 | kolla | can still ssh in |
| 09:08.33 | kolla | so I killed opieplayer2 and it is back alive |
| 09:08.34 | kolla | ok |
| 09:08.35 | kolla | good |
| 09:12.56 | kolla | the backup program ought to support other medias than just SD and CF :) |
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| 09:49.18 | TCMAN | kolla: what else ? |
| 09:50.04 | TCMAN | i am looking for 3.6v li-ion batteries for video cameras on ebay |
| 09:50.17 | TCMAN | i found one that is 5500mah |
| 09:50.31 | Speedy2 | What is project WARP CORE ? |
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| 09:51.50 | TCMAN | Speedy2: big ass battery for Z :) |
| 09:52.01 | Speedy2 | I see. |
| 09:52.08 | TCMAN | i want to convert camcorder battery to work with Z |
| 09:52.13 | Speedy2 | Those Li-Ion batteries are kinda bulky |
| 09:52.21 | Speedy2 | Well...there's not much to do besides hook it up, ya know :) |
| 09:52.53 | TCMAN | 71x65x25mm, 3.6v, 5500mah |
| 09:53.02 | greear | just go lead-acid, man :) |
| 09:53.08 | Speedy2 | Agreed :) |
| 09:53.36 | Speedy2 | Though 5500mAh is pretty good. |
| 09:53.45 | Speedy2 | My Nikon battery pack is a 7.2V 680mAh |
| 09:53.56 | TCMAN | Speedy2: its for camcorder |
| 09:54.13 | Speedy2 | What difference does that make? |
| 09:54.20 | Speedy2 | It's a battery with a voltage specification |
| 09:54.29 | Speedy2 | Now it's just a matter of wires...:) |
| 09:54.43 | TCMAN | Speedy2: camcorders batteries are usually beefier than digital cameras batteries |
| 09:54.52 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 09:54.58 | TCMAN | Speedy2: and attaching it to Z |
| 09:55.00 | Speedy2 | So it's just a matter of physical things. |
| 09:55.02 | greear | what voltage does the zaurus want? |
| 09:55.06 | Speedy2 | 3.6 |
| 09:55.20 | TCMAN | Speedy2: actually 3.7 |
| 09:55.22 | Speedy2 | Though it's using a switching regulator, so it could tolerate a higher voltage |
| 09:55.30 | greear | how high? :) |
| 09:55.31 | Speedy2 | Well, it won't be picky |
| 09:55.35 | Speedy2 | That depends on the input caps. |
| 09:55.38 | Speedy2 | I'll have to find out |
| 09:55.44 | Speedy2 | I think they stupidly make the input caps like 6V or something |
| 09:55.52 | Speedy2 | So nothing higher than ~5V |
| 09:55.56 | Speedy2 | make == made |
| 09:56.05 | greear | that would handle 4 1.2v rechargeables.... |
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| 09:56.36 | TCMAN | maybe i should use those external battery extenders with 4 2000mah AA batteries |
| 09:56.39 | *** part/#openembedded gearmonk (~Matt@dynamic-addr-90-112.resnet.rochester.edu) |
| 09:56.55 | greear | what's the mah for the z battery? |
| 09:57.06 | Speedy2 | 900 |
| 09:57.08 | Speedy2 | I think |
| 09:57.55 | TCMAN | konica dr-lb4 50x31x9mm 3.7v, 850mah, $16.50, hmm, that would even fit inside |
| 09:58.27 | Speedy2 | Yeah...but doesn't buy you much...mAh rating is <= Z's existing battery |
| 09:58.36 | TCMAN | Speedy2: true |
| 09:58.55 | Speedy2 | Except for the fact it's a shit loader cheaper than what Sharp wants (fuckers) |
| 09:59.36 | TCMAN | why there is no extended battery for Z, like there is for toshiba e740? |
| 09:59.50 | Speedy2 | Because Sharp is stupid? |
| 10:00.01 | Speedy2 | The Z could have benefited from some more intelligent hardware design |
| 10:00.08 | Speedy2 | The keyboard was pretty cool...but they fucked up a lot. |
| 10:00.16 | TCMAN | i would gladly pay $150 for big ass battery, like for this toshiba one |
| 10:00.37 | TCMAN | it goes inside the battery bay and covers whole back of e740 |
| 10:00.42 | greear | I'll sell you my car battery for that, and a voltage converter I'll thrown in for free :) |
| 10:00.58 | greear | oh...er... :) |
| 10:01.03 | TCMAN | greear: you need to attach a car too :) |
| 10:01.27 | TCMAN | fuck, even my 4 years old cassiopeia has 1400mah battery |
| 10:01.59 | Speedy2 | Yeah...Sharp obviously missed a few things. |
| 10:02.15 | Speedy2 | iPaq uses a 1-Ah 4.2V Lithium-Ion cell |
| 10:02.17 | greear | maybe could make a sort of cradle/case that held lots of batteries...would be somewhat clunky, but for that 8 hour plane ride, might be worth it |
| 10:02.43 | Speedy2 | The whole SD thing was pretty stupid too |
| 10:02.43 | Speedy2 | They should have just done dual-CF |
| 10:02.52 | pb_ | SD is the way ahead, it seems. |
| 10:02.59 | Speedy2 | Not really. |
| 10:03.12 | TCMAN | sd is ok |
| 10:03.16 | Speedy2 | There are a lot more CF peripherals and one can leverage the existing PCMCIA code |
| 10:03.20 | greear | bleh: ==> PASV ... done. ==> RETR qt-embedded-2.3.4.tar.gz ... |
| 10:03.20 | greear | No such file `qt-embedded-2.3.4.tar.gz'. |
| 10:03.29 | TCMAN | but they could release specs or at least module for 2.4.19 or 2.4.20 |
| 10:03.42 | Speedy2 | If they cared... |
| 10:03.45 | Speedy2 | Which they don't. |
| 10:04.41 | Speedy2 | No, it's not hard. SD is really simple |
| 10:04.52 | Speedy2 | The hardpart is specs on the hardare |
| 10:05.06 | TCMAN | Speedy2: thats the thing to reverse engineer |
| 10:05.44 | Speedy2 | Yeah. |
| 10:11.55 | noidd | actually, CF and SD isn't too bad |
| 10:12.16 | noidd | looking at the Z, giving it two CF slots would have made the unit a tad bulkier |
| 10:12.34 | noidd | a pcmcia slot would have been joyous tho :-) |
| 10:12.46 | noidd | but again, size of unit I guess |
| 10:13.09 | noidd | as good as the sharp is with hardware, they can't change the shape of the universe |
| 10:13.18 | yeiazel | buy a pcmcia=>cf adapter :) |
| 10:13.22 | noidd | well, at least at a 500$ unit proce :-) |
| 10:13.28 | greear | anyone wanna email me: qt-embedded-2.3.4.tar.gz Trolltech's ftp server is over-heating and won't gimme it (and the mirror is out of sync :P) |
| 10:13.53 | Speedy2 | noidd: No, if they stuck the CF on either side (flanged it), it wouldn't be any bulkier |
| 10:13.55 | noidd | yeiazel: you better be glad that kergoth is asleep or you'd be a greasy smear on the floor of this channel by now :-D |
| 10:14.30 | noidd | Speedy2: Put them where? |
| 10:14.35 | yeiazel | noidd: kergoth ? I don't fear this little guy |
| 10:15.08 | Speedy2 | noidd: You see where the SD is? Well put on CF there and one on the other side |
| 10:15.14 | Speedy2 | The Z is wide enough that it could have been done. |
| 10:15.45 | noidd | erm, no it isn't :-P |
| 10:16.05 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I think so |
| 10:16.23 | TCMAN | there are 9 big chips inside Z, there are less on my dual cpu motherboard |
| 10:16.26 | noidd | putting two cf cards next to each other cross the back- its too large once you put the pins to recieve them in |
| 10:16.38 | TCMAN | i dont think Z is the best design ever |
| 10:17.09 | Speedy2 | Well, comparing a Z to a motherboard isn't fair. |
| 10:17.20 | Speedy2 | However, they did create their own ASICs which is making life tough |
| 10:17.24 | TCMAN | maybe its not fair |
| 10:17.33 | noidd | Speedy: plus - think how alkward the Z would be to hold if you had the head of your WiFi card sticking ut the side halfway down |
| 10:17.55 | TCMAN | i think sd+cf is a good design |
| 10:18.20 | TCMAN | i would like better screen of course, i had casiopeia before :) |
| 10:18.23 | noidd | i'm with TCMAN, I really like the hardware design |
| 10:18.44 | TCMAN | my biggest beef is with the battery capacity |
| 10:18.50 | Speedy2 | I think dual-CF still could have been managed. |
| 10:18.52 | noidd | battery life is iffy, but it proibably was the best battery technology at the time it was designed and built |
| 10:18.57 | Speedy2 | Well the screen on the Z isn't very good either. |
| 10:19.05 | Speedy2 | noidd: Not really. iPaq has a 4.2V 1-Ah cell... |
| 10:19.27 | TCMAN | noidd: i dont think so, my casio battery is 4 years old and is 3.7v 1400mah and its not bigger volume |
| 10:19.28 | noidd | Speedy: and how big is it? |
| 10:19.47 | Speedy2 | The iPaq has the touchscreen/LCD more closely paired. The end result is a much nicer LCD |
| 10:20.01 | Speedy2 | noidd: It's more thin and stretches across the entire back of the iPaq |
| 10:20.04 | TCMAN | and even then, i would gladly pay extra money for extended capacity battery like the one for toshiba |
| 10:20.09 | Speedy2 | Like about as thick as a quarter. |
| 10:20.09 | TCMAN | e740 |
| 10:21.38 | noidd | my Z battery is 3.7v, 950mAh |
| 10:22.00 | noidd | not too bad I don't think |
| 10:22.16 | noidd | but I do think that 50 quid for a new battery for the Z is a tad on the expensive side |
| 10:22.19 | Speedy2 | Umm |
| 10:22.34 | Speedy2 | 3.7V * .950Ah vs 4.2v * 1Ah is a big difference. |
| 10:22.45 | Speedy2 | (Which gives you the total amount of energy of each cell) |
| 10:22.52 | noidd | Speedy2: I know :-P |
| 10:22.58 | noidd | I did do basic physics :-P |
| 10:23.36 | Speedy2 | Not trying to be insulting, just point it out. |
| 10:23.44 | Speedy2 | pointing. |
| 10:23.46 | noidd | yah, np |
| 10:24.36 | noidd | do we know what the specs of the new 5600 battery are? |
| 10:24.52 | TCMAN | noidd 1700mah ? |
| 10:25.00 | Speedy2 | What I like about CF is that I have a CF to PCMCIA adaptor for my laptop (passive), so it's easy to transfer data, etc. With SD it requires an active adaptor, etc. |
| 10:25.00 | noidd | same V'? |
| 10:25.14 | TCMAN | noidd: which is pretty good if you could fit it inside 5500 |
| 10:25.21 | TCMAN | noidd: yes |
| 10:25.44 | TCMAN | Speedy2: there are sd->pcmcia and sd->cf adaptors |
| 10:25.54 | Speedy2 | Though in all honesty, I don't think I'll ever use a WiFi card, so just using CF for storage is fine for me. |
| 10:26.00 | noidd | Speedy2: I have a passive sd -> pcmcia adapter |
| 10:26.02 | TCMAN | Speedy2: and today i bought sd/mmc/ms/sm->cf adaptor |
| 10:26.04 | Speedy2 | TCMAN: I know, but SD to PCMCIA requires electronics. |
| 10:26.12 | TCMAN | Speedy2: yup |
| 10:26.15 | Speedy2 | SD and PCMCIA aren't compatible interfaces, it requires electronics to make it work. |
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| 10:26.29 | zed2k | hi |
| 10:26.30 | Speedy2 | CF and PCMCIA are basically the same, so no electronics needed. |
| 10:26.30 | yeiazel | Speedy2: not only wifi... ethernet, gps, gsm, gprs ? |
| 10:26.33 | zed2k | which languages may i use here? just en? |
| 10:26.37 | TCMAN | it was $40 at frys, not beer money, but not that bad |
| 10:26.42 | noidd | zed: en and cy |
| 10:26.46 | Speedy2 | yeiazel: GPS I might indeed use. |
| 10:26.51 | zed2k | noidd: thx |
| 10:26.52 | yeiazel | zed2k: jupiterian |
| 10:26.56 | Speedy2 | Which bothers me -- goes back to the dual-CF thing. |
| 10:26.57 | yeiazel | zed2k: and saturnian |
| 10:27.05 | yeiazel | Speedy2: :) |
| 10:27.09 | zed2k | so i will use en, as i don't got my hitchhikers guide ready, yeiazel |
| 10:27.24 | TCMAN | did anyone try pretec pocket gps thingy with Z ? |
| 10:27.27 | yeiazel | zed2k: I haven't even read it :) |
| 10:27.29 | noidd | zed: dych chi'n siarad yb gymraig? |
| 10:27.45 | noidd | s/yb/yn/ |
| 10:28.02 | zed2k | i just installed openzaurus, now i'm up to get software. there are two konqueror-snapshots packages, which one shall i take |
| 10:28.03 | TCMAN | Speedy2: btw, there are 1->2 cf converters too, at least 1->2pcmcia converters |
| 10:28.10 | TCMAN | used in development mostly |
| 10:28.18 | zed2k | noidd: bless you, take a handkerchief :-P |
| 10:28.25 | noidd | zed: full |
| 10:28.26 | Speedy2 | TCMAN: Yeah, but it's not a "consumer" thing |
| 10:28.37 | zed2k | noidd: does that include the other one? |
| 10:28.48 | TCMAN | zed2k: bigger one has javascript too |
| 10:28.57 | noidd | zed: I don't know, i'm just telling you which one I use :-) |
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| 10:29.04 | zed2k | noidd: alright, thx |
| 10:29.10 | noidd | you're most welcome |
| 10:29.11 | zed2k | thx to you too TCMAN |
| 10:29.31 | TCMAN | Speedy2: well, its not consumer, true, and its probably extremely expensive :) |
| 10:29.37 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 10:29.45 | Speedy2 | I've used some of those PCMCIA/CF adaptors for development work |
| 10:29.51 | Speedy2 | They're flimsy and not cheap at all. |
| 10:29.55 | TCMAN | http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=101&cat%5Fname=Pocket+PC+Devices&pf%5Fid=MP920910&dept%5Fid=3702 |
| 10:30.07 | TCMAN | now is that THAT FUCKIN HARD TO DO ? :) |
| 10:32.38 | Speedy2 | The Toshiba e740 is the StrongARM based one or the XScale one? |
| 10:32.46 | noidd | TCMAN: yes |
| 10:32.46 | TCMAN | Speedy2: yup |
| 10:33.05 | TCMAN | Speedy2: and it has also intergrated wifi, sd, and cf |
| 10:33.16 | Speedy2 | TCMAN: Wait, is it StrongARM based or XScale based? |
| 10:33.25 | TCMAN | Speedy2: and you have to sell your kidney to buy one :) xscale |
| 10:33.45 | Speedy2 | Eww. |
| 10:33.54 | Speedy2 | You know that XScale has a b0rk3d cache controller, right? |
| 10:34.10 | TCMAN | Speedy2: something to do with memory performance |
| 10:34.19 | Speedy2 | Basically it performs like shit |
| 10:34.29 | TCMAN | Speedy2: intel never said whats was wrong with it i think |
| 10:34.30 | Speedy2 | The write-back cache on the processor doesn't work... |
| 10:34.44 | Speedy2 | TCMAN: IF you read the errata you can see they said the 100+ things that don't work with it! |
| 10:34.53 | noidd | dipsy, london.pm pub? |
| 10:35.01 | TCMAN | noidd: i dont think batteries are that hard to make :) |
| 10:35.03 | noidd | urg, wrong channel :-) |
| 10:35.15 | George- | Speedy2: is the XScale that bad? |
| 10:36.05 | TCMAN | its not that bad, there are apps that work better, but most work about the same like on 206mhz strongarm |
| 10:36.39 | Speedy2 | George-: Yeah, it's that bad. |
| 10:36.46 | Speedy2 | The 400MHz version is barely as fast as the 206MHz version |
| 10:36.57 | Speedy2 | In some cases, it's slower |
| 10:37.03 | TCMAN | Speedy2: if you do lots of number crunching in registers its not that bad |
| 10:37.05 | Speedy2 | The battery performance isn't all that great either. |
| 10:37.25 | Speedy2 | TCMAN: Well the point is that with todays C++/OOP programs, GUIs and "shit" you hit the memory quite frequently. |
| 10:37.31 | Speedy2 | Esp. when you're running an OS like WinCE or Linux. |
| 10:37.46 | TCMAN | Speedy2: you are just trying to stop people from bidding on this c700 on ebay, dont you ? |
| 10:37.48 | George- | picj |
| 10:37.49 | George- | ouch |
| 10:37.50 | HCl | hmm |
| 10:38.05 | Speedy2 | TCMAN: Sorry 'bout that. |
| 10:38.09 | HCl | kergoth`bbl: awake? oz 3.2 has some stability problems... especially when suspending while running a program thats reading from the cf.. |
| 10:38.13 | George- | TCMAN: apparently on the C700, you can see the screen refreshing |
| 10:38.14 | TCMAN | Speedy2: its not mine :))))) |
| 10:38.35 | TCMAN | George-: you are shitting me ? |
| 10:39.17 | George- | TCMAN: no |
| 10:39.29 | George- | TCMAN: I have no first hand experience tho |
| 10:39.34 | George- | TCMAN: this is a report that I heard |
| 10:40.17 | TCMAN | George-: maybe i'll keep my 5500 and start saving on vaio u3 or sharp actius mm10 then |
| 10:43.03 | TCMAN | is anyone interested in slightly used kidney ? :))) |
| 10:43.44 | George- | ? |
| 10:44.07 | TCMAN | George-: i have two, i can sell one and buy cool toys, right ? :) |
| 10:46.04 | Speedy2 | It's too bad Sharp didn't use a different processor for the Z/CL700. |
| 10:46.31 | TCMAN | Speedy2: what were they supposed to use ? |
| 10:46.58 | TCMAN | Speedy2: there is arm, mips and shit3 |
| 10:47.09 | TCMAN | Speedy2: the only fast arm is from intel |
| 10:47.28 | TCMAN | Speedy2: there is cool mips from amd |
| 10:47.44 | George- | AMD's Alchemy rocks |
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| 10:48.03 | Speedy2 | Look at what George just pointed out... |
| 10:48.16 | TCMAN | George-: but thats mips, they wouldnt have binary compatibility |
| 10:48.22 | George- | who cares |
| 10:48.30 | George- | it's all opensource anyway |
| 10:48.33 | TCMAN | George-: remember there are not that many apps for z |
| 10:48.55 | George- | TCMAN: 90% of Zaurus apps are opensource |
| 10:48.56 | TCMAN | George-: its opensource for us, and magic box for 99% other users |
| 10:49.15 | George- | TCMAN: And it'd wouldn't take that much effort from Sharp to recompile it all |
| 10:49.20 | Speedy2 | There's nothing that OpenZ does that specifically uses ARM... |
| 10:49.21 | kolla | for the 99% who? :) |
| 10:49.22 | TCMAN | George-: i can recompile shit, but what about them ? |
| 10:49.33 | zed2k | konqueror isn't very stable, is it? |
| 10:49.38 | George- | TCMAN: You fool =P |
| 10:49.41 | kolla | I'm too lazy to compile shit, even though I can :) |
| 10:49.54 | zed2k | it crashes on nearly every side i visit - except kde.org :( |
| 10:50.04 | pb_ | George-: it wouldn't take much effort from sharp to recompile their own apps, but it would upset the ISVs that they have been trying so hard to get on board if they suddenly had to support two different cpu platforms. |
| 10:50.13 | kolla | at some point I did compile a whole lot of shit, but then came a busybox upgrade and erased most of it |
| 10:50.13 | TCMAN | zed2k: well, it isnt too stable, but so far it works fine on eeverything i visited |
| 10:50.20 | Speedy2 | ISVs? |
| 10:50.22 | zed2k | TCMAN: hmmm. |
| 10:50.37 | pb_ | Speedy2: independent software vendors. Third party application authors, in other words. |
| 10:50.39 | zed2k | TCMAN: is there something i should install or something i forgot to set up? |
| 10:50.45 | George- | pb_: they should have based ALL the Z's on MIPs |
| 10:50.48 | George- | =P |
| 10:50.56 | pb_ | George-: hah, yes, possibly. |
| 10:50.59 | Speedy2 | pb_: Yeah and they write their code in C/C++ and use libraries. None of them touch assembly, thus the CPU wouldn't matter. |
| 10:51.00 | zed2k | i installed konqueror-snapshot-full out of the stable feed |
| 10:51.01 | George- | I'm personally waiting for this IBM PowerPC PDA :) |
| 10:51.03 | TCMAN | zed2k: not likely, are you getting konq from stable feed ? |
| 10:51.09 | zed2k | TCMAN: yep |
| 10:51.12 | George- | Mac-on-Linux anyone? ;) |
| 10:51.19 | TCMAN | zed2k: it should work then |
| 10:51.30 | George- | I'd laugh sooo much if someone booted up MOL on that IBM PDA :) |
| 10:51.36 | TCMAN | zed2k: what sites did crash for you, lemme check |
| 10:51.42 | zed2k | it start's, but it couldn't run userfriendly.org for example |
| 10:52.10 | TCMAN | probably because they run winxp ads :)))) |
| 10:52.16 | Speedy2 | The StrongARM is an OLD processor. If they had used the Alchemy one, it might have better battery life, etc. They even make a processor with on-board Ethernet. That's pretty cool. |
| 10:52.22 | zed2k | TCMAN: :) |
| 10:52.27 | pb_ | Speedy2: the cpu doesn't matter, but having to maintain parallel builds for arm and mips would create a lot of extra work for them. This is the same reason Sharp is so nervous about moving to GCC 3 on the ARM platform, because all C++ programs would have to be rebuilt. |
| 10:52.52 | TCMAN | zed2k: works for me |
| 10:52.55 | zed2k | TCMAN: does it matter that it was installed to RAM instead to root (root is full) |
| 10:53.05 | Speedy2 | pb_: I'm saying they shouldn't have gone with the StrongARM *in the first place* |
| 10:53.12 | TCMAN | zed2k: maybe it couldnt link some stuff |
| 10:53.21 | zed2k | TCMAN: how can i check? |
| 10:53.32 | TCMAN | zed2k: i have /root /opt and /home on sd |
| 10:53.56 | TCMAN | zed2k: df in konsole, if root is full you are probably fucked |
| 10:53.57 | Speedy2 | If they had used the Alchemy processor, they would have had a real benefit over the other POS PDAs that use the StrongARM / XScale. |
| 10:54.37 | TCMAN | zed2k: try uninstalling some shit from / and installing into ram, and get sd or mmc card, its really useful, and 64mb card is like $30 now |
| 10:54.39 | pb_ | Speedy2: right, but when they first decided to use the strongarm for the sl-5000, I don't think the Alchemy even existed. |
| 10:54.46 | Speedy2 | pb_: It existed. |
| 10:54.53 | zed2k | df reports 1.8 MB free on / |
| 10:55.20 | TCMAN | zed2k: in that case try reinstalling konq |
| 10:55.25 | pb_ | Speedy2: ah. |
| 10:55.28 | zed2k | 'kay |
| 10:55.46 | Speedy2 | I really wish KDE for Windows was mature and used the latest ports. |
| 10:55.57 | George- | pb_: the alchemy has been around for yonks |
| 10:56.07 | zed2k | TCMAN: reinstalling first ? |
| 10:56.18 | zed2k | or overwriting? |
| 10:56.25 | pb_ | George-: well, alchemy was only founded in 1999 or so. when did they actually have a useful product? |
| 10:56.27 | kolla | kde for windows? |
| 10:56.34 | noidd | anyone here going to london.pm tonight? :-) |
| 10:56.41 | kolla | isnt it enough clutter in windows already? :) |
| 10:56.42 | Speedy2 | Yeah. |
| 10:56.42 | noidd | that would be in london, england, uk :-D |
| 10:56.44 | TCMAN | zed2k: try force reinstall |
| 10:56.49 | zed2k | okay |
| 10:56.49 | Speedy2 | pb_: Late 2000. |
| 10:57.26 | zed2k | i installed konqe-gifplugin, too. |
| 10:57.30 | noidd | You would be silly to base your PDA platform on hardware that wasn't even 6 months old :-P |
| 10:57.34 | Speedy2 | http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:57.37 | zed2k | *waiting* |
| 10:58.02 | TCMAN | zed2k: maybe thats the problem i dont have it installed |
| 10:58.23 | Speedy2 | noidd: Regardless, they went from a working processor SA-1110 to a b0rk3d XScale. It's not like they didn't have a lot of re-work to do with the new processor. They should have just switched over. |
| 10:58.28 | zed2k | neither dit i when i encountered the crashes first. |
| 10:58.52 | zed2k | *crash* |
| 10:58.56 | zed2k | nope, didn't help |
| 10:59.19 | TCMAN | zed2k: maybe you have too many cosmic rays in your home or something |
| 10:59.34 | TCMAN | zed2k: you are running OZ 3.2 ? |
| 10:59.40 | zed2k | :) that must be the reason then, indeed. |
| 10:59.43 | zed2k | 3.2, correct |
| 11:00.07 | TCMAN | zed2k: what network card ? |
| 11:00.10 | kolla | Speedy2: I dont see point if it needs an X-server to run on :) |
| 11:00.28 | Speedy2 | kolla: Well, Wind0z3 doesn't do multi-monitor properly among other things. |
| 11:00.33 | zed2k | TCMAN: SMC2642W |
| 11:00.49 | kolla | if you could merge KDE apps into the existing windows environment, then sure... but using X.. |
| 11:00.49 | Speedy2 | i.e. it just makes your second monitor an extention of your existing one. No concept of another desktopl |
| 11:00.51 | zed2k | but konq is the only net-application which troubles |
| 11:01.06 | TCMAN | zed2k: yeah, network card shouldnt matter |
| 11:01.09 | kolla | Speedy2: so? KDE apps do not need that to function |
| 11:01.24 | Speedy2 | kolla: Well you'd need an XServer like XWin32 or XFree (which runs on Windows). The KDE apps can run like normal apps in "window" mode |
| 11:01.36 | Speedy2 | kolla: No, I'm saying that KDE DOES virtual desktops properly and Wind0z3 doesn't. |
| 11:01.43 | Speedy2 | It would be nice to blend the two. |
| 11:01.46 | kolla | "properly"? :) |
| 11:01.59 | Speedy2 | Well it has the concept of virtual desktops which is more than Windows! |
| 11:02.13 | kolla | there are no virtual desktops, it's juat fancy ways of hiding and showing windows :) |
| 11:02.17 | kolla | just |
| 11:02.18 | TCMAN | zed2k: can you try "non full" konq ? |
| 11:02.29 | Speedy2 | "You know what I mean" -- Olivia Newton John. |
| 11:02.33 | zed2k | okay, i'll give it a try |
| 11:03.08 | kolla | you cannot have true virtual workspaces where you can define for example different screenmodes, colour depths etc |
| 11:03.27 | kolla | it's just fancy window managing :) |
| 11:03.42 | Speedy2 | Well with Windowes it does let you have different resolution monitors, but it just treats the 2nd or 3rd as extentions which is frustrating. |
| 11:03.51 | Speedy2 | Fancy window managing is fine... |
| 11:04.02 | Speedy2 | Why would you want anything less than 32bpp if you can afford it? |
| 11:04.05 | kolla | too limited for my taste :) |
| 11:04.14 | Speedy2 | kolla: What exactly do you want? |
| 11:04.15 | kolla | palette control |
| 11:05.11 | zed2k | TCMAN: uninstall of -full complete, it leaves /usr/lib/ipkg/info/konqueror-snapsot.preinst and .control |
| 11:05.12 | kolla | being able to switch between a virtual displays that runs a certain app in full screenmode and the other desktops |
| 11:05.14 | zed2k | that's ok?> |
| 11:05.20 | kolla | without needing to fire up yet another X server |
| 11:05.25 | Speedy2 | kolla: Yeah, can't you do that with X? |
| 11:05.31 | kolla | uhm.. no |
| 11:05.39 | Speedy2 | Oh, I was under the impression you could. |
| 11:06.09 | kolla | well, I have never seen anything like it on X |
| 11:06.23 | Speedy2 | Dual-monitor seems like a boon unfortunetly. |
| 11:06.38 | kolla | it is good that you can finally.. after 17 years.. resize the desktop on the fly :) |
| 11:06.44 | Speedy2 | I want to display a PDF on one window and have another app on the other monitor |
| 11:07.00 | kolla | I have dual monitor here now |
| 11:07.05 | Speedy2 | kolla: Yeah, X is pretty f'ing arcane. i.e. modelines. |
| 11:07.16 | Speedy2 | By boon I mean the usage of dual-monitors leaves a lot to be desired. |
| 11:07.16 | TCMAN | 4 d-size 8000mah nimh batteries, how about that for project WARP CORE ? :) |
| 11:07.20 | kolla | very funny with those apps who think "full screen" means spreading out on the two monitors :) |
| 11:07.27 | Speedy2 | agreed! |
| 11:07.35 | Speedy2 | (Who would want that?) |
| 11:08.09 | Speedy2 | Well I think there are some programs for Windows that allow you more flexibility and freedom in dual-monitor stuff. I need to investigate. |
| 11:08.13 | noidd | bah, I hooked my zaurus up to a desiel powerred generator |
| 11:08.25 | kolla | well, if I hade like 4x4 monitors, then perhaps I would want it :) |
| 11:08.35 | zed2k | TCMAN: non-full-version crashes, too :) |
| 11:08.46 | Speedy2 | Yeah...I have non-identical monitors so it really fucks things up |
| 11:08.47 | noidd | that generator also having the side-effect of driving me to work every morning |
| 11:08.52 | George- | noidd: oh yeh? I have a heat pipe going from the sun to a generator in my back garden, which then feeds my Z with power! |
| 11:08.55 | Speedy2 | One does 1280x1024, other is 1024x768 |
| 11:09.11 | George- | Speedy2: 1280x1024 is an evil resolution |
| 11:09.15 | Speedy2 | Why? |
| 11:09.18 | George- | (I had this argument last night) ;) |
| 11:09.18 | Speedy2 | It's great for my 19" |
| 11:09.32 | Speedy2 | I think it's a jim dandy resolution. |
| 11:09.33 | George- | Speedy2: you 19" would be a 4:3 physical aspect ratio, right? |
| 11:09.39 | kolla | I prefer it how I do it on amiga.. can set up different screens (with different modes and all) for each monitor and have them open and close on command |
| 11:09.55 | TCMAN | zed2k: i dont know then |
| 11:10.08 | Speedy2 | George-: Umm, not sure. |
| 11:10.09 | zed2k | TCMAN: okay, thanks a lot for your time |
| 11:10.11 | TCMAN | zed2k: are you sure you are getting stable feed ? |
| 11:10.12 | George- | Speedy2: wellllll.... 1280x1024 is a 5:4 aspect, meaning you get rectangular pixels |
| 11:10.18 | zed2k | TCMAN: 101% sure |
| 11:10.33 | George- | Speedy2: put it this way, ALL monitors are 4:3 unless they're like widescreen or something |
| 11:10.33 | Speedy2 | George-: Uhh, what? |
| 11:10.37 | TCMAN | zed2k: maybe try explicityly installing from /official/3.2/feed (i did) |
| 11:10.43 | kolla | 1280x960 is my fav :) |
| 11:10.44 | zed2k | okay |
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| 11:10.57 | George- | kolla: nah, too low, 1600x1200 or 1920x1440 :) |
| 11:11.03 | kolla | well, sure |
| 11:11.14 | George- | Speedy2: it's an insane resolution... you get rectangular pixels = |
| 11:11.15 | George- | =P |
| 11:11.16 | kolla | I have 2 x 1600x1200 here now |
| 11:11.19 | George- | Speedy2: use 1280x960 |
| 11:11.30 | Speedy2 | George-: I don't think you get rectangular pixels. I never saw that on my monitor... |
| 11:11.42 | George- | Speedy2: oh you do, I can assure you |
| 11:12.00 | Speedy2 | How does 1280x1024 result in a 5:4 aspect ratio and 1280x960 result in a 4:3 ? |
| 11:12.02 | kolla | 1280x1024 is a double interlaced hires PAL mode :) |
| 11:12.15 | kolla | super hires even |
| 11:12.23 | Speedy2 | If I had a 22", I'd do 1600x1200. |
| 11:12.32 | kolla | Speedy2: 1280:1024=? |
| 11:12.32 | George- | Speedy2: the same way that 10:8 = 5:4 and 8:6 = 4:3 |
| 11:12.48 | noidd | 1600x1200 is the only way to travel |
| 11:12.59 | George- | Speedy2: heh, my 19" runs at 1600x1200 |
| 11:13.08 | Speedy2 | So does mine. I just don't run it that high. |
| 11:13.08 | kolla | 3200x2400 |
| 11:13.19 | George- | Speedy2: except this one which is hooked up to a crappy laptop... it's running at 800x600 atm |
| 11:13.21 | George- | pure hell |
| 11:13.36 | George- | kolla: moohahaha |
| 11:14.02 | Speedy2 | A pixel is by nature circular...I don't see how the number of dots horizontal and vertical affects anything |
| 11:14.07 | kolla | then you can have 100 zaurus screens on it |
| 11:14.33 | George- | Speedy2: draw a perfect circle on that screen in paintbrush or whatever |
| 11:14.39 | George- | Speedy2: then change to 1024x768 |
| 11:14.44 | George- | Speedy2: and watch it change to an oval |
| 11:14.56 | Speedy2 | Can't ATM, system with that monitor isn't running. |
| 11:15.07 | George- | run it then :) |
| 11:15.19 | Speedy2 | Right, the aspect ratios aren't the same, you'd need to re-size |
| 11:15.26 | George- | yes |
| 11:15.47 | Speedy2 | So what? |
| 11:15.55 | George- | bleh |
| 11:16.01 | George- | THE SCREEN ISN'T RIGHT |
| 11:16.06 | Speedy2 | How is that not "right" ? |
| 11:16.13 | George- | They're fitting a 5:4 res onto a 4:3 screen |
| 11:16.19 | George- | does that not SOUND BAD??? |
| 11:16.22 | George- | =P |
| 11:16.25 | kolla | the monitor is 4:3 :) |
| 11:16.31 | Speedy2 | Uhh...4:3 by dimensions? |
| 11:16.34 | kolla | yes |
| 11:16.47 | kolla | unless you have black borders on the side |
| 11:16.54 | Speedy2 | Think I do. |
| 11:16.57 | kolla | then you can do 1280x1024 |
| 11:17.00 | Speedy2 | It's a perfectly flat 19". |
| 11:17.18 | Speedy2 | Mitsubishi DiamondPro 900u. |
| 11:17.19 | George- | with perfectly rectangular pixels :) |
| 11:17.27 | kolla | yep |
| 11:17.34 | Speedy2 | There is a noticable black border on the screen. |
| 11:17.40 | kolla | on the sides |
| 11:17.46 | Speedy2 | An area where no light comes out. |
| 11:17.53 | kolla | not top and bottom, but only on the sides |
| 11:18.03 | Speedy2 | I don't recall, it's been a few months since I used the monitor. |
| 11:18.29 | George- | kolla: I think Speedy2 is beyond help :) |
| 11:19.01 | kolla | I'm sure he'd be happy with the 1400x256 modes you could do on the video signal of the amigas :) |
| 11:19.09 | George- | lol |
| 11:19.16 | George- | he probably has oval eyes :) |
| 11:19.49 | kolla | I always wanted to test 1440x524 on one of those 100Hz wide screen TVs :) |
| 11:20.05 | kolla | think it was 524.. anyways, thereabouts |
| 11:20.28 | kolla | uhm.. it was probably 576 |
| 11:20.31 | George- | kolla: I run 1152x768 on my laptop :) |
| 11:20.47 | Speedy2 | I've always been perfectly happy with the image on my monitor, never saw anything that looked bizarre or out of order. |
| 11:21.06 | George- | Speedy2: I'm just saying 1280x1024 is inherently evil |
| 11:21.17 | George- | Speedy2: and kergoth hates it. And kergoth is a god. =P |
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| 11:21.34 | kolla | any graphical artist also dislikes that mode |
| 11:21.41 | kolla | how strange, huh :) |
| 11:21.46 | George- | lol |
| 11:21.58 | Speedy2 | Guess that's fine since I'm not an graphical artist. :) |
| 11:22.27 | George- | Speedy2: no, but ur a human with a brain (I hope) |
| 11:22.40 | Speedy2 | This is true. |
| 11:24.59 | noidd | square pixels are over-rated |
| 11:25.19 | kolla | yeah.. 640x240 was ok |
| 11:25.35 | noidd | food time, brb soon |
| 11:25.42 | Speedy2 | Pixel is the smallest element of light that can be turned on. Are you talking about square-looking pixelation? |
| 11:25.56 | kolla | mf |
| 11:26.13 | kolla | ogg files are still not recognized in opie |
| 11:27.35 | Sythos^work | how can i edit opie-word dictionary? |
| 11:27.40 | Speedy2 | Anyway, one project is to hax0r my monitor to do DVI. |
| 11:28.45 | kolla | bah.. I insert the bluetooth card and it is recognized as "anonymous memory" :) |
| 11:28.58 | George- | WAHOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 11:29.04 | George- | THEY'VE FINALLY COME TO PICK UP MY LAPTOP |
| 11:29.17 | George- | asses. |
| 11:31.43 | Speedy2 | Ok, time for me to sleep. |
| 11:32.07 | George- | cya Speedy2 |
| 11:32.10 | Speedy2 | Night all. |
| 11:32.16 | George- | Speedy2: and do yourself a favour - change that res |
| 11:32.18 | George- | damn, too late |
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| 14:09.58 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 14:17.07 | George- | hi Harlekin |
| 14:17.51 | Harlekin | hi George- |
| 14:23.08 | George- | Harlekin: someone was complaining of a memory leak with the playlists in OP2 |
| 14:24.40 | Harlekin | and he is sure the playlist is the memleak? |
| 14:25.08 | George- | Harlekin: Not sure what he said |
| 14:25.21 | George- | Harlekin: he was complaining about a mem leak, I think he said something about the playlist |
| 14:28.21 | yeiazel | it was maybe cbok |
| 14:28.35 | yeiazel | who seems to have talked with you already about that |
| 14:28.45 | George- | yeh, it was cbok |
| 14:29.11 | yeiazel | logs rock :) |
| 14:29.48 | George- | logs shmogs |
| 14:29.56 | George- | Use your memory |
| 14:30.37 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:30.41 | yeiazel | my memory is my logs |
| 14:34.14 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.48 | Harlekin | hmm, 6012 Kb/s |
| 14:35.58 | George- | Harlekin: bah :) |
| 14:36.10 | George- | Harlekin: Still.. I've been on 56k for the past 4 years ;) |
| 14:36.14 | yeiazel | mm... 6 MB/s |
| 14:36.21 | yeiazel | (LAN :) |
| 14:36.21 | George- | mm.. 80MB/s |
| 14:36.25 | George- | (LAN) |
| 14:36.28 | Harlekin | yeiazel: no, internet |
| 14:36.39 | yeiazel | Harlekin: 6MB on the LAN for me :) |
| 14:36.45 | George- | I really ought to upgrade my desktop to gigabit |
| 14:36.54 | George- | considering my laptop has gigabit ;) |
| 14:37.04 | yeiazel | my laptop has wifi |
| 14:37.08 | yeiazel | as my zaurus does |
| 14:37.10 | George- | yeiazel: so does mine ;) |
| 14:37.18 | Harlekin | my pda has bluetooth .-( |
| 14:37.20 | yeiazel | I don't have a desktop computer |
| 14:37.43 | George- | yeiazel: my desktop == family desktop |
| 14:38.30 | yeiazel | George-: I only have a laptop, a zaurus, and an IBM Netvista acting as a firewall/router/server |
| 14:38.40 | yeiazel | oh, and a hosted server :) |
| 14:39.02 | George- | yeiazel: I bet you have a 16 way POWER4 whilst you're at it |
| 14:39.28 | yeiazel | yeah, but I don't wanna talk about it :))) |
| 14:39.40 | George- | hah |
| 14:39.47 | George- | I only have a borked laptop |
| 14:39.52 | George- | and a brick |
| 14:39.54 | George- | and a z |
| 14:40.01 | yeiazel | was just to say that I don't have a desktop |
| 14:40.20 | George- | "I don't have a desktop. I have a RS/6000 mainframe" |
| 14:40.23 | George- | ;) |
| 14:40.27 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:41.05 | George- | Will you buy me a RS/6000? |
| 14:41.20 | yeiazel | I'm a hitech-geek-wannabe :) |
| 14:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 14:41.50 | George- | yeiazel: and I want an RS/6000 :) |
| 14:42.43 | yeiazel | you really want this old crappy too big thing ? |
| 14:43.15 | kenb | I have one. |
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| 14:43.20 | kenb | an old RS/6000 |
| 14:43.27 | kenb | It's in storage at the moment |
| 14:43.40 | kenb | and RS/6000's are mainframes. |
| 14:43.45 | kenb | S/390's are Mainframes. |
| 14:43.52 | kenb | RS/6000's aren't, I meant. |
| 14:44.31 | George- | kenb: damn |
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| 14:44.43 | George- | kenb: can I have it? :) |
| 14:44.53 | kenb | No. |
| 14:45.08 | kenb | I kinda like it. |
| 14:45.14 | George- | lol |
| 14:45.15 | George- | spec? |
| 14:45.15 | kenb | it's even got the 1/2" tape drive. |
| 14:45.20 | George- | lol |
| 14:45.21 | kenb | 25mhz or something |
| 14:45.25 | George- | 25MHz? |
| 14:45.31 | George- | how old is this thing?!??! |
| 14:45.35 | kenb | yeiazel: I prefer 24way pSeries 690 |
| 14:45.57 | kenb | George-: abut 25% bigger than an old IBM PS/2 |
| 14:45.58 | yeiazel | kenb: I like the x86 architecture :p |
| 14:46.17 | George- | kenb: how old, not how big ;) |
| 14:46.19 | kenb | yeiazel: I have 85 Dual x335s, 2.4ghz Xeon MP w/Hyperthreading. |
| 14:46.29 | kenb | George-: um... 1995 I think. |
| 14:46.32 | yeiazel | kenb: not personnaly |
| 14:46.36 | George- | '95? |
| 14:46.38 | George- | 25MHz? |
| 14:46.43 | kenb | yeiazel: nope, not personally :) |
| 14:46.50 | George- | Is that a POWER3 or something? |
| 14:46.52 | kenb | remember.. RISC is totally different |
| 14:46.54 | kenb | no |
| 14:47.00 | kenb | POWER3's were over 100 mhz. |
| 14:47.05 | yeiazel | kenb: I have installed 550 x335s dual 2.4 |
| 14:47.05 | kenb | so were power2s |
| 14:47.18 | yeiazel | kenb: additionnally to 1500 x330... |
| 14:47.22 | kenb | yeiazel: Nice. I quit IBM before I started working on larger than 200 node clusters. |
| 14:47.23 | George- | wtf is it then? |
| 14:47.28 | yeiazel | (bigger cluster in europe :) |
| 14:47.36 | kenb | George-: Morotola, pre-power line CPU |
| 14:47.39 | yeiazel | s/bigger/biggest/ |
| 14:48.03 | kenb | not biggest cluster. |
| 14:48.06 | kenb | there's a 2048 node in the UK |
| 14:48.07 | yeiazel | kenb: I was maybe the first european technician who has touches x335s (apart from IBM technicians) |
| 14:48.16 | kenb | yeiazel: I was the same in Canada. |
| 14:48.20 | yeiazel | kenb: :) |
| 14:48.24 | kenb | I had them before the IBM techs knew what they were. |
| 14:48.29 | yeiazel | the same |
| 14:48.36 | kenb | And before they were on the website... |
| 14:48.44 | yeiazel | had problems with them, they didn't find the FRU in their databases |
| 14:48.46 | kenb | which was funny when calling in for support. |
| 14:48.49 | kenb | yes. |
| 14:48.55 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 14:48.56 | kenb | I see you've gone through the same thing I did. |
| 14:49.16 | kenb | I had to show the 1st IBM tech onsite how to open the case. |
| 14:49.24 | yeiazel | <@kenb> there's a 2048 node in the UK / do you have more details ? we are maybe talking about the same cluster... |
| 14:49.32 | kenb | yeiazel: Shell, I think. |
| 14:49.38 | kenb | Or some Oil company.. |
| 14:49.45 | yeiazel | oh |
| 14:49.50 | yeiazel | I'm talking about CGG's one |
| 14:49.54 | George- | oh, that would be the cluster in my back garden |
| 14:49.57 | kenb | This was on x330's |
| 14:50.19 | kenb | I remember it was after I did my 200 node X330 cluster... so.. about 2 years ago. |
| 14:50.26 | kenb | Cause I was still working for IBM Canada |
| 14:50.38 | yeiazel | 2036 nodes, x330s and x335s at CGG |
| 14:50.57 | kenb | nice |
| 14:51.00 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 14:51.10 | kenb | too bad the hardware sucks :) |
| 14:51.19 | yeiazel | heh :) |
| 14:51.36 | yeiazel | x335s are nice little x86's |
| 14:51.38 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:51.40 | kenb | they are. |
| 14:51.49 | kenb | RSA cards make them useful. |
| 14:51.55 | yeiazel | yeah |
| 14:52.10 | kenb | except the RSA system is flaky and sucks. |
| 14:52.15 | kenb | I miss the SP2 Service networks. |
| 14:52.28 | kenb | as bizarre as it was, at least it was stable. |
| 14:52.47 | yeiazel | don't know them |
| 14:53.10 | yeiazel | my first x335s installation was my first intervention as a technicial |
| 14:53.15 | kenb | ah |
| 14:53.18 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:53.40 | yeiazel | finished school in june 2002 |
| 14:53.51 | kenb | I never finished |
| 14:55.06 | George- | <Don_Lepr0n> "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the Swiss hold the America''s Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance and Germany doesn''t want to go to war" |
| 14:55.08 | George- | lol |
| 14:55.24 | yeiazel | already seen that :) |
| 14:55.27 | yeiazel | funny |
| 14:55.43 | George- | hehe |
| 14:55.59 | kenb | bbiab. workout, shower, and then the real work begins ;) |
| 14:56.07 | yeiazel | "real work" ? |
| 14:56.16 | yeiazel | what does that mean ? |
| 15:03.55 | noiddGRUB | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.11 | noiddGRUB | thats more of a mirracle than turning water into wine |
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| 15:08.47 | George- | ARRRGHHHHH |
| 15:09.14 | George- | soo...much...holiday...work |
| 15:09.15 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:09.46 | sieve | heh |
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| 15:25.55 | prpplague | is there a newbie-qt/opie channel? |
| 15:26.05 | Harlekin | its more hte openzaurus channel |
| 15:26.12 | Harlekin | arg |
| 15:26.14 | Harlekin | openembedded |
| 15:26.15 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:26.52 | prpplague | lol |
| 15:27.13 | prpplague | Harlekin: as much as i hate moving from x to qt, looks like i'm gonna have to do it |
| 15:34.04 | scanline | prpplague: no more FLTK? |
| 15:35.30 | Harlekin | prpplague: soon you can run an X server parallel and quick switch between both |
| 15:36.04 | Harlekin | prpplague: and "moving form X to qt" sounds strange |
| 15:37.51 | scanline | Harlekin: Qt/E finally getting around to adding VT switching? :) |
| 15:38.13 | TheMasterMind1 | we wish |
| 15:38.21 | Harlekin | scanline: maybe |
| 15:38.27 | Harlekin | scanline: not the highest pri |
| 15:38.30 | prpplague | scanline: ya, i've just about given up on fltk for mobile devices |
| 15:38.43 | prpplague | scanline: i can;t get anyone in the fltk comunity interested |
| 15:38.56 | scanline | prpplague: ah |
| 15:39.05 | treke|ho1e | moin |
| 15:39.07 | Harlekin | prpplague: any connections between fltk and tcltk? |
| 15:39.08 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:39.13 | Harlekin | moin treke|ho1e |
| 15:39.28 | prpplague | Harlekin: negative |
| 15:39.44 | prpplague | scanline: cosmic and i and the only ones doing any dev |
| 15:39.44 | Harlekin | prpplague: k, since somebody was working on tcltk stuff |
| 15:40.17 | scanline | prpplague: yeah... what's the motivation to use FLTK these days? |
| 15:40.53 | scanline | architecture is about the same as most other GUIs, and there are less apps... though it's probably a lot smaller than Qt |
| 15:41.11 | Harlekin | ibot: fltk |
| 15:41.11 | | somebody said fltk was Fast Lightweight Tool Kit and can be found at http://www.fltk.org or <reply> fltk is also available in 2 versions for the ipaq - libfltk1 from official feeds, which is cut-down, or libfltk1-1, the full bells'n'whistles, available from David McNab's feed at http://freenet.org.nz/feeds/mcnab or a cross-platform GUI toolkit |
| 15:45.13 | prpplague | scanline: much smaller, true GPL status, very flexible |
| 15:45.30 | Harlekin | gpl is pgl |
| 15:45.32 | Harlekin | gpl |
| 15:45.57 | prpplague | Harlekin: ? |
| 15:46.03 | Harlekin | gpl is gpl is pgl |
| 15:46.04 | Harlekin | pgl |
| 15:46.05 | Harlekin | arg |
| 15:46.07 | Harlekin | gpl |
| 15:46.37 | Harlekin | while mold |
| 15:47.42 | Harlekin | other tell me, whats a fake GPL |
| 15:47.43 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:47.58 | prpplague | Harlekin: are you saying that qt is gpl? i was under the impression that qt was under a different license |
| 15:48.13 | Harlekin | prpplague: qt is dual |
| 15:48.20 | Harlekin | a) gpl, thats the verison that opie uses |
| 15:48.28 | Harlekin | b) qpl - commercial license |
| 15:56.03 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:57.06 | kenb | hi |
| 15:58.32 | Harlekin | moin kergoth |
| 15:59.09 | Harlekin | kergoth: btw which wm should we take for hte opie-X-server-pack |
| 15:59.11 | scanline | Harlekin: my problem with dual licencing is that it discourages contribution, since contributors are giving out code that the company is actively trying to make money from |
| 15:59.27 | Harlekin | scanline: how, if you license your code as gpl they cannot use it |
| 15:59.46 | Harlekin | scanline: you manually have to label it gpl(qpl before they can use it |
| 15:59.59 | Harlekin | or lgpl |
| 16:00.06 | scanline | Harlekin: what's their policy on copyright assignment? I assume you'd have to give it to them before they would accept a patch if it was dual licensed |
| 16:00.23 | Harlekin | scanline: copyright is allways yours |
| 16:00.31 | Harlekin | scanline: you just have to grant them usage |
| 16:00.35 | Harlekin | scanline: if you patch stuff in qt |
| 16:00.49 | scanline | Harlekin: does that usage include the qpl? |
| 16:00.52 | Harlekin | scanline: if you want to have it included in the mal line |
| 16:00.53 | kergoth | Harlekin: afaik you need matchbox to handle our OK/X icons |
| 16:00.57 | Harlekin | main line |
| 16:01.07 | Harlekin | kergoth: i ment the extra x server |
| 16:01.13 | Harlekin | kergoth: not opie on X |
| 16:01.18 | Harlekin | kergoth: tslib stuff |
| 16:01.22 | Harlekin | kergoth: fluxbox? |
| 16:01.32 | Harlekin | is is larger then matchbox? |
| 16:01.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats up |
| 16:01.41 | Harlekin | since its my favorite low end wm |
| 16:01.49 | TheMasterMind1 | fluxbox rocks |
| 16:01.53 | TheMasterMind1 | its in oz already |
| 16:02.01 | kergoth | so is matchbox tmm1 |
| 16:02.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:02.06 | TheMasterMind1 | oh cool |
| 16:02.07 | scanline | fluxbox is a great WM, but really not for PDAs... |
| 16:02.08 | kergoth | fluxbox is my preferred on the desktop |
| 16:02.14 | TheMasterMind1 | when did mallum push matchbox |
| 16:02.14 | kergoth | matchbox on PDA |
| 16:02.15 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah |
| 16:02.17 | Harlekin | k |
| 16:02.18 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:02.35 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone working on adding gpe2 then/ |
| 16:02.37 | Harlekin | kergoth: so matchbox + keyboard + a fix button to go back to the other ts |
| 16:02.58 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: sounds like gpe people abandone familiar |
| 16:03.05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:03.09 | kergoth | are you planning on running X on a seperate vt from opie? that wont work as it stands |
| 16:03.28 | Harlekin | kergoth: not yet |
| 16:03.43 | kergoth | okay good |
| 16:03.52 | kergoth | qt/e and opie both need some tlc in that department |
| 16:04.05 | kergoth | Harlekin: fyi, found why the X vanishes when running opie in 640x480 |
| 16:04.15 | kergoth | Harlekin: it enables the use of a Maximize button when you're wider than 350 |
| 16:04.18 | kergoth | stupid |
| 16:04.27 | kergoth | i'd rather have a compiletime build option to enable/disable use of a maximize button |
| 16:04.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: is mallum working on gpe2? |
| 16:04.38 | Harlekin | kergoth: that reminds me that the mximize icon is missing |
| 16:05.40 | kergoth | Harlekin: well, we need to do something about it.. i'm thinking make it a configurable option in menuconfig that defines USEMAXIMIZE or something to enable its use.. its broken right now anyway |
| 16:06.36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no, pb_ is. not sure what mallum is working on nowadays |
| 16:06.43 | Harlekin | kergoth: maybe leave "windowed" mode also to the user |
| 16:06.55 | Harlekin | kergoth: appearance .-) |
| 16:07.01 | kergoth | Harlekin: you mean whether an app defaults to maximized? |
| 16:07.07 | Harlekin | yes |
| 16:07.08 | kergoth | i was thinking about that also |
| 16:07.25 | Harlekin | i mean in 320x240 floating sure does not make much sense |
| 16:07.35 | Harlekin | but on 640x480 its worth a though |
| 16:07.55 | scanline | heh |
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| 16:08.33 | Harlekin | kergoth: and on 800x600 too |
| 16:09.00 | scanline | Harlekin: yes it's good to let the user multitask properly, but having them resize and drag windows around isn't a good way to do it |
| 16:09.09 | scanline | Harlekin: port ion to Opie :) |
| 16:09.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:09.33 | kergoth | i thought about that too |
| 16:09.42 | kergoth | Harlekin: question is, runtime or buildtime? |
| 16:09.43 | scanline | or even better- |
| 16:09.46 | scanline | blender's UI |
| 16:09.55 | Harlekin | kergoth: i thought runtime |
| 16:09.57 | scanline | sure the widgets in blender were confusing, but the window layout was cool |
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| 16:10.04 | Harlekin | kergoth: it is allready active |
| 16:10.29 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes, it just makes a stupid arbitrary decision based on screensize.. we just need to make it use Config |
| 16:10.31 | Harlekin | scanline: why not, on a webtabled with 1024x i would want to drap windows arround |
| 16:10.42 | Harlekin | kergoth: thats what i ment |
| 16:10.47 | kergoth | k |
| 16:10.53 | scanline | Harlekin: why? |
| 16:10.58 | kergoth | Harlekin: have you used ion? |
| 16:11.23 | kergoth | unfortunately ion doesnt make a lot of sense for X apps.. but for opie apps that are largely used maximized anyway.. |
| 16:11.33 | scanline | Harlekin: if you stop to think about it, overlapping windows are really inefficient. If I have anything overlapping on my screen, it's just because I didn't bother to arrange it the way I want |
| 16:11.36 | kergoth | i normally use ion with an assload of terminals |
| 16:11.47 | kergoth | scanline: or your resolution isnt high enough :) |
| 16:11.54 | scanline | well, that too |
| 16:12.01 | kergoth | but thats solved with more workspaces in X |
| 16:12.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:12.36 | kergoth | fyi, i got an email today from someone who hacked the sharp updater app |
| 16:12.38 | Harlekin | kergoth: then maximize an opie app to 1280x960 |
| 16:12.43 | kergoth | to make it ignore the CRC and falsh from /root/Documents |
| 16:12.47 | scanline | wow |
| 16:12.48 | kergoth | so with a symlink, you can flash from SD |
| 16:12.53 | scanline | cool |
| 16:13.08 | kergoth | unfortunately it flashes an ospack file |
| 16:13.10 | kergoth | which includes angel |
| 16:13.18 | kergoth | so you damn well better md5sum that bad boy before flashing |
| 16:13.21 | kergoth | or you could have a nice brick |
| 16:13.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:13.36 | scanline | hmm.. speaking of brick, has anyone ported blob yet? :) |
| 16:13.44 | kergoth | not yet |
| 16:14.37 | kergoth | god i love patcher |
| 16:17.46 | greear | kergoth: any idea why I see this when compiling opie: custom.h:25: asm/sharp_apm.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:17.49 | prpplague | Harlekin: hmm, so i'm confused |
| 16:18.01 | Harlekin | prpplague: about what? |
| 16:18.16 | prpplague | Harlekin: if i create a commercial app using qt, will i still be able to make gpl? |
| 16:18.26 | Harlekin | no |
| 16:18.45 | prpplague | Harlekin: so if i sell it it can not be gpl |
| 16:18.53 | kergoth | greear: you need Z kernel headers in your toolchain |
| 16:18.56 | kergoth | greear: or use buildroot |
| 16:19.00 | Harlekin | prpplague: stop, thats different |
| 16:19.02 | kergoth | greear: or are you using buildroot? |
| 16:19.06 | Harlekin | prpplague: do be gpl it need to be open source |
| 16:19.07 | greear | using buildroot |
| 16:19.20 | prpplague | Harlekin: right |
| 16:19.24 | greear | maybe I missed a menuconfig option? |
| 16:19.27 | kergoth | prpplague: eh, you can sell something thats gpl. you just have to release the code as well |
| 16:20.30 | prpplague | kergoth: right, i understand that, what i'm saying is, if/when do i have to pay royalites/license fees to trolltech? |
| 16:20.33 | George- | Harlekin: can op2 handle streaming ogg? |
| 16:20.40 | Harlekin | George-: yes |
| 16:20.44 | George- | k |
| 16:20.45 | Harlekin | audio and video |
| 16:21.04 | George- | k |
| 16:21.17 | Harlekin | prpplague: only if you produce a closed source app |
| 16:21.40 | prpplague | Harlekin: ahh, ok good |
| 16:21.58 | prpplague | Harlekin: we always gpl our stuff, we just happen to sell it as well |
| 16:21.59 | greear | kergoth: [greear@grok buildroot-oz]$ grep HEADER .config |
| 16:22.00 | greear | CONFIG_KERNEL-HEADERS=y |
| 16:22.02 | Harlekin | prpplague: so if app is gpl, you can sell it without buying a license |
| 16:22.12 | kergoth | greear: nono |
| 16:22.16 | kergoth | greear: you need to enable the _kernel_ |
| 16:22.19 | Harlekin | prpplague: for example mark does that for that chess app |
| 16:22.24 | kergoth | greear: those kernel headers are stock linux headers, not Z specific |
| 16:22.46 | greear | I chose kernel 2.4.19?? |
| 16:22.52 | scanline | Harlekin: what if you made a GPL'ed CORBA interface for Qt, then connected to that from a proprietary app? |
| 16:23.20 | Harlekin | scanline: should be ok |
| 16:23.24 | tronical | scanline: it merely depends if the application is usable without the component it talks to IMHO |
| 16:23.31 | tronical | scanline: (per 'derived work') |
| 16:23.35 | kergoth | greear: no |
| 16:23.42 | kergoth | greear: select 2.4.6 |
| 16:23.47 | kergoth | greear: make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie |
| 16:23.48 | Harlekin | tronical: i understood him like added a corba interface to qt on gpl basis |
| 16:23.50 | kergoth | greear: make |
| 16:24.09 | scanline | yeah.. |
| 16:24.14 | greear | will that then let me use 2.4.19 later? |
| 16:24.27 | scanline | not talking about modifying Qt, but about using CORBA to push the GPL's definition of 'linking' |
| 16:25.05 | scanline | if you wanted to be even more obnoxious you'd put very little code in a GPL'ed module to control the GUI, and the important pieced of your app in a proprietary module, and have them talk over a socket |
| 16:25.07 | tronical | Harlekin: ah, I missed that part. (although I still believe that unless there is a nother implementation of the corba interfaces the app depends so much on qt (i.e. does not work without) that I consider it linking) |
| 16:25.25 | scanline | tronical: yeah, but that's one place the GPL is ambiguous |
| 16:25.26 | kergoth | greear: opie needs some work to be happy on 2.4.19. |
| 16:25.29 | kergoth | greear: you dont want it yet. |
| 16:25.32 | tronical | scanline: it's probably a question of interpretation. I for one put that equal to linking |
| 16:25.44 | scanline | tronical: still ambiguous |
| 16:26.00 | greear | oh..is there some other graphical thing I can use with 2.4.19...kernel 2.4.6 is of limited use to me. |
| 16:26.06 | kergoth | greear: what? |
| 16:26.15 | kergoth | greear: OZ runs with 2.4.6 _now_ |
| 16:26.16 | Harlekin | kergoth: which work to be happy with 2.4.19? |
| 16:26.22 | Harlekin | kergoth: ipaq runs 2.4.19 |
| 16:26.24 | kergoth | greear: 2.4.19 on the Z needs _work_ |
| 16:26.27 | kergoth | Harlekin: i know. |
| 16:26.40 | kergoth | Harlekin: and opie right now uses old character device interfaces from the sharp 2.4.6 kernel which are not in mine. |
| 16:26.47 | kergoth | Harlekin: i've changed interfaces to suck less. |
| 16:26.49 | Harlekin | ah sharp ifdefs |
| 16:26.57 | kergoth | Harlekin: and odevice and custom-sharp.h need alteration |
| 16:26.59 | Harlekin | prpplague: http://www.trolltech.com/developer/faqs/free.html |
| 16:27.00 | tronical | scanline: the GPL says that the license does not apply if the software is independent from the GPL portion, which is certainly not the case if you talk to Qt via CORBA |
| 16:27.24 | tronical | scanline: your app simply doesn't work without Qt then |
| 16:27.37 | tronical | scanline: I consider that pretty non-ambigious :) |
| 16:28.02 | scanline | hmm |
| 16:28.20 | prpplague | Harlekin: thanks |
| 16:28.24 | scanline | wouldn't that make it impossible to GPL a program that requires any proprietary server to operate, like say an AIM client? |
| 16:28.37 | prpplague | Harlekin: is there a newbie-howto for qt? |
| 16:28.38 | greear | kergoth: I was planning to do some kernel development, and wanted to start with 2.4.19 instead of 2.4.6... So, is there any reasobly sane set of options to let me get a 2.4.19 kernel going (ie, is opie required)? |
| 16:28.58 | kergoth | greear: uh, opie is a GUI |
| 16:29.05 | kergoth | greear: why would you need opie to boot a Z? |
| 16:29.23 | kergoth | greear: tahts nonsensical. i've run my Z's on minimal images without opie and logged in at console no problem |
| 16:29.52 | tronical | scanline: depends how you interpret it, yes. I dunno if there exists a free AIM server implementation (probably not) |
| 16:30.01 | greear | kergoth: Ok, that was my question. I also see other gui things, like x11, so could I use one of those instead with 2.4.19 since opie doesn't work? |
| 16:30.25 | kergoth | no. the current X package has hardcoded xscale optimizations in its build files |
| 16:30.40 | kergoth | it needs changing to pull them in from the environment, until then the X build is useless for nonxscale hardware |
| 16:31.01 | scanline | tronical: there are all sorts of fun little loopholes like that. I still use the GPL, but it's not bulletproof. |
| 16:31.21 | scanline | tronical: so I think it's kind of silly for a company to base its business model on dual-licensing :) |
| 16:31.49 | greear | ok, thanks. I'll try to get things going w/out opie. Is there an eta for opie + 2.4.19? |
| 16:32.03 | kergoth | greear: when i have time to work on it. which is not now. |
| 16:32.13 | kergoth | greear: I'm working on a300/b500/5600/c700 support at the moment |
| 16:32.38 | Harlekin | prpplague: like a programmer beginner howto? |
| 16:32.43 | prpplague | Harlekin: ya |
| 16:32.49 | kergoth | doc.trolltech.com |
| 16:32.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:32.51 | greear | ok. I haven't ported char devices before, but I'd be willing to give it a whirl in a week or so... |
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| 16:33.08 | kergoth | greear: theres no porting to be done. just adapting opie to use new interfaces rather than old ones |
| 16:33.10 | Harlekin | prpplague: if you download qt there are serveral tutorial in it and the api docu |
| 16:33.32 | tronical | scanline: let's hope the GPL remains strong enough (also maybe because it is used to widespread) |
| 16:33.40 | Harlekin | prpplague: which looks excactly like this: http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/index.html |
| 16:33.45 | tronical | scanline: (err, is used so often) |
| 16:33.47 | greear | oh, so opie is the thing to port. I'll poke around in it sometime soon. |
| 16:34.22 | scanline | tronical: well, I don't care that much about the linking part since I use the LGPL more than the GPL... |
| 16:34.35 | scanline | but yeah, I hope the GPL and LGPL keep free software going :) |
| 16:34.46 | Harlekin | prpplague: the tutorials are quite nice as tehy also explain the signal slot concept from qt |
| 16:34.46 | prpplague | Harlekin: ok thanks, no really looking forward to this, but don't see that i have a choice :| |
| 16:35.07 | Harlekin | prpplague: and just look through smaller opie apps |
| 16:35.30 | Harlekin | prpplague: for guis you can use qtdesigner |
| 16:35.43 | Harlekin | just make sure to mainly works with layouts and less fix positioning |
| 16:36.08 | prpplague | Harlekin: ya see thats my problem, i love fix positioning |
| 16:36.21 | Harlekin | prpplague:which you can do to |
| 16:36.37 | Harlekin | prpplague: and hten you write 2 different guis? one for 320x240 and one for 640x480 |
| 16:36.51 | Harlekin | and then one for 180x150 ( the mobil phone qt/e devices ) |
| 16:37.17 | prpplague | Harlekin: ok great |
| 16:37.42 | Harlekin | prpplague: in qt you can also mix both quite good |
| 16:38.05 | Harlekin | like have a part relativly fixed, and the rest resizable by layout |
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| 16:54.48 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 16:57.42 | yeiazel | kergoth: make q3 work on the z :p |
| 16:58.12 | greear | oh, hostap also failed to patch...but trying again with 2.4.6 kernel, as that seems to be the more tested alternative... |
| 16:58.26 | zed2k | kergoth: build a konqueror-package that works *sigh* |
| 16:58.47 | zed2k | anybody some additional ideas? i flashed OZ3.2 twice to get a clean system, but konq won't work |
| 16:58.55 | kergoth | what? |
| 16:58.57 | kergoth | konq works jut fine. |
| 16:59.12 | zed2k | not for me, i'm afraid *sniff* |
| 16:59.27 | kergoth | define "won't work" |
| 17:00.01 | zed2k | kergoth: i installed konqueror-snapshot. i can start it, but it crashes at all websites i try except www.kde.org |
| 17:00.20 | kergoth | zed2k: disable the liquid theme |
| 17:00.23 | kergoth | zed2k: go back to QPE |
| 17:00.27 | zed2k | kergoth: alright |
| 17:00.30 | kergoth | zed2k: and PLEASE read the mailing list archives |
| 17:00.40 | kergoth | zed2k: where this has been discussed on like 3-4 occasions |
| 17:00.42 | zed2k | kergoth: which ML? |
| 17:00.46 | kergoth | openzaurus-users |
| 17:00.53 | kergoth | the primary oz support contact point |
| 17:01.32 | zed2k | kergoth: wow, didn't know that one. thanks! |
| 17:01.46 | zed2k | just knew the FAQ, which is linked on openzaurus.org primary front |
| 17:02.14 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 17:02.20 | kergoth | -> CONTACT |
| 17:02.22 | kergoth | heh |
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| 17:04.12 | zed2k | kergoth: found it, thankx |
| 17:04.16 | kergoth | np |
| 17:04.33 | zed2k | perhaps the mailing lists should be linked with the text "support" on the front page |
| 17:05.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:05.21 | kergoth | FAQ is support as well |
| 17:05.28 | kergoth | mailing lists are -human- support |
| 17:06.00 | zed2k | :) |
| 17:06.18 | zed2k | kergoth: do you know whether the wellenreiter/hostap-bug is fixed in 3.2? |
| 17:06.25 | kergoth | what bug? |
| 17:06.30 | kergoth | i've never even used it |
| 17:06.33 | kergoth | talk to mickeyl |
| 17:07.23 | zed2k | the bug mentioned in http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=3732501 |
| 17:08.48 | zed2k | mickeyl|work: ping :) |
| 17:08.55 | greear | zed2k: my attempt to compile hostap package failed during the patch process... |
| 17:09.27 | kergoth | i just built hostap with no problems. |
| 17:09.53 | greear | I must be cursed. 2.4.6 failed to patch too...collided with something...maybe 2.4.19 droppings? |
| 17:09.58 | zed2k | greear: i install packages from the feed. i haven't build something from scratch yet. |
| 17:10.08 | kergoth | greear: yes, they both extract to build/linux |
| 17:10.15 | kergoth | greear: make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-2.4.19 clean |
| 17:10.21 | kergoth | greear: make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie clean |
| 17:10.23 | kergoth | greear: make |
| 17:11.10 | greear | thanks, trying again... |
| 17:11.53 | zed2k | btw, is it possible to view package descriptions with the OZ-package manager (AQPKG, right?) |
| 17:12.02 | kergoth | double tap |
| 17:12.24 | kergoth | greear: fyi, buildroot issues belong on openzaurus-devel, not openzaurus-users |
| 17:12.57 | greear | ahhh, ok. Will try to find & join that one. |
| 17:13.16 | kergoth | 'find'? click on mailing lists on the source forget project, or click on contact on openzaurus.org |
| 17:13.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:13.44 | greear | I clicked on openz and was shuttled to the users list...but I'll go poke at sf |
| 17:14.46 | kergoth | ah, i'll update the contact page |
| 17:15.02 | George- | kergoth: "source forget"? |
| 17:15.04 | George- | :) |
| 17:15.20 | zed2k | kergoth: not using liquid indeed helps, thanks a lot! you were very helpful! |
| 17:15.28 | kergoth | np |
| 17:15.43 | George- | wow.. somebody praising kergoth |
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| 17:19.45 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:19.53 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone using OZ and windows? |
| 17:19.57 | kergoth | need to figure out how to handle our optimizations as relates to the architecture field |
| 17:20.18 | kergoth | our xscale build packages _can_ be used on both strongarm and xscale, its just tuned for xscale |
| 17:20.27 | greear | wireless-tools fails to build: make: Entering an unknown directory |
| 17:20.27 | greear | make: *** /home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/build/wireless_tools.24: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 17:20.31 | kergoth | so it should be installable in either, but its priority set right |
| 17:20.44 | kergoth | greear: why are you the only one who has all these problems? |
| 17:20.54 | kergoth | wireleess tools hasnt been touched in weeks |
| 17:20.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:21.09 | greear | dunno, I'm sure I'm cursed.... |
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| 17:21.59 | mantus-away | numatrix: hey, i got nester to work |
| 17:22.32 | mantus- | blah |
| 17:22.46 | greear | after purging, it gets farther: |
| 17:23.03 | greear | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/greear/bk/buildroot-oz/build/hostap-2002-09-12' |
| 17:23.04 | greear | Module installation directory not valid: '/lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix' |
| 17:23.04 | greear | Most probable cause for this is modified kernel headers. |
| 17:23.04 | greear | You will need to install module file (driver/modules/hostap_*.o) manually. |
| 17:23.04 | greear | make[2]: *** [install_check] Error 1 |
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| 17:24.16 | kergoth | greear: after building a kernel, you need to wipe and rebuild kernel modules |
| 17:24.19 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/hostap clean |
| 17:24.20 | kergoth | make |
| 17:24.49 | kergoth | so anyway |
| 17:24.59 | kergoth | i could have like, armv4l-xscale, armv4l-strongarm |
| 17:25.03 | greear | I'm beginning to see why someone mentioned the make system was going to be re-written :P |
| 17:25.10 | kergoth | greear: it works fine |
| 17:25.13 | kergoth | just not for _you_ |
| 17:25.17 | greear | :) |
| 17:25.17 | kergoth | works fine for everybody else |
| 17:25.36 | mantus- | for a "socket low power" 802.11b card would the line "source=prism2_hostap,eth0,Kismet" be correct assuming eth0 was the correct device? |
| 17:25.42 | greear | cause I tried 2.4.19 most likely...seems like others are smart enough to avoid it. |
| 17:25.49 | kergoth | anyway, armv4l-[cpu] would let me represent -march vs -mtune |
| 17:26.12 | kergoth | that the binaries are usable on any armv4l pda, just low priority if the cpu isnt their own |
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| 17:34.42 | masticator | morning. |
| 17:35.31 | ljp_work | yo, whats up, masterbator? |
| 17:35.49 | ljp_work | oohh, thats masticator, sorry ;) |
| 17:35.52 | kergoth | hey masticator |
| 17:38.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:38.55 | George- | masticator: JasonNJ? |
| 17:40.53 | mantus- | what program is used to drop a card into monitor mode? |
| 17:41.49 | kenb | kismet_server |
| 17:42.45 | mantus- | kenb: ok, do you know off hand if the socket cards can go into monitor mode? |
| 17:43.06 | kenb | what do you mean by "socket" card? |
| 17:43.17 | mantus- | socket brand |
| 17:43.22 | mantus- | socket low power |
| 17:43.25 | kenb | never heard of them. what chipset? |
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| 17:43.34 | mantus- | should be prism 2.5 |
| 17:44.31 | mantus- | i have kismet set up with source=prism2_hostap,eth0,Kismet and it refuses to work |
| 17:44.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:44.42 | kergoth | its orinoco based, not hostap based |
| 17:44.46 | mantus- | o |
| 17:44.50 | kergoth | the means by which you put it in monitor mode is different |
| 17:44.55 | kergoth | the capture mode (pcap) is the same |
| 17:47.59 | greear | kergoth: back to my cursedness: While getting busybox from cvs, it hangs here: U busybox/util-linux/umount.c |
| 17:48.16 | mantus- | kergoth: since i have your attention, sdl 1.2.6cvs is broken, i have a ipk for 1.2.5cvs and things work well with it, you may want to put the older version in the feed. |
| 17:48.49 | kergoth | greear: read docs/BUILD |
| 17:48.54 | kergoth | greear: your cvs binary is too old |
| 17:49.34 | greear | thanks, will upgrade |
| 17:50.57 | greear | I think my first contribution should be a sanity script that checks these kinds of things before trying to build! |
| 17:55.03 | chouimat | morning |
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| 18:12.29 | TheMasterMind1 | beatch |
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| 18:26.00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:26.27 | kergoth | email from Andrea Arcangeli of the -aa kernels, vm fame wants to run his tree on the Z |
| 18:26.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:26.43 | greear | better get opie fixed ;) |
| 18:27.12 | kergoth | that tree needs a bit of finishing touches, like handling of the battery switch |
| 18:27.18 | kergoth | but that wont take long |
| 18:27.38 | chouimat | kergoth: -aa on the Z????? |
| 18:27.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:27.44 | kergoth | yep |
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| 18:35.20 | yakito | I cannot eject my SD with OZ 3.2 |
| 18:35.43 | yakito | fuser -m /mnt/card gives me some procesus, between them qpe |
| 18:36.07 | kergoth | then you installed a applet or inputmethod to SD. |
| 18:36.26 | kergoth | which makes it always in use as long as opie is running |
| 18:37.06 | yakito | I would like to uninstall all the apps from SD, but aqpkg allways shows them |
| 18:37.18 | yakito | that is, i remove them but they are still listed as installed |
| 18:40.09 | kergoth | sounds like you're using an old aqpkg version |
| 18:40.28 | yakito | the one that comes with oz 3.2 |
| 18:41.08 | yakito | I could erase all the /opt and /usr folder from my SD card |
| 18:41.21 | yakito | but i would break all the symlinks |
| 18:41.45 | kergoth | then whats the problem? |
| 18:41.49 | kergoth | you brought it on yourself |
| 18:41.51 | kergoth | of course you cant eject. |
| 18:43.10 | yakito | I cannot delete because I made symlinks ? |
| 18:43.22 | yakito | delete = eject |
| 18:43.40 | kergoth | no, you cant delete because you installed shit to your sd thats running |
| 18:43.41 | kergoth | deal with it |
| 18:44.22 | TheMasterMind1 | shut down opie and eject it |
| 18:44.27 | yakito | kergoth: take it easy. |
| 18:44.37 | yakito | I have already rebooted |
| 18:44.45 | kergoth | rebooting means nothing |
| 18:44.59 | kergoth | you installed an applet or inputmethod there, which will get loaded oevery time opie starts. |
| 18:46.50 | Neo|Work | numatrix: yes, iconification and grabbing/ungrabbing of keys |
| 18:47.02 | Neo|Work | CVS needs a patch though, which I recently posted to the SDL mailing list |
| 18:56.09 | gaurdian | How are Lexar SD cards.....any issues with them ? |
| 18:56.34 | kergoth | havent heard of any |
| 18:56.54 | gaurdian | cool |
| 18:57.17 | gaurdian | been looking for a good MMC card, but cant find 256 ones |
| 18:57.34 | yeiazel | 256 MB MMC don't seem to exist |
| 18:57.44 | gaurdian | ahh, that might be why |
| 18:57.52 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:58.05 | gaurdian | any reccomendations ion a 128 mmc ? |
| 18:58.17 | gaurdian | considering SD might go the way of the dodo |
| 18:59.03 | chouimat | gaurdian: don't know |
| 18:59.07 | gaurdian | ok |
| 19:01.00 | chouimat | gaurdian: only have a 32MB SD and a 64MB CF and 3 16MB CF |
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| 19:10.02 | treke | gaurdian: MMC is more likely to go the way of the dodo |
| 19:10.18 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 19:10.34 | gaurdian | oh ? |
| 19:10.51 | treke | gaurdian: Everyone is pushing mmc |
| 19:10.53 | treke | er SD |
| 19:10.59 | gaurdian | I thought the mmc driver was easier to deal with |
| 19:11.12 | gaurdian | for oz anyway |
| 19:11.18 | treke | Right but it doesnt have the capability for DRM |
| 19:11.28 | treke | so no one is encouraging its use. |
| 19:11.58 | gaurdian | well, my Sandisk SD took a dive so I am in the market for a new one (I mean physically got destryoed) |
| 19:12.14 | gaurdian | well, I am looking at future OZ compatability |
| 19:12.18 | gaurdian | also |
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| 19:12.37 | gaurdian | so you think Lexar SD then ? |
| 19:12.58 | treke | dont know what SD cards work well. I use mmc :) |
| 19:13.45 | gaurdian | well, probably get a 256 Lexar |
| 19:18.42 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.19 | numatrix | Neo|Work: by the way, I've been seeing some segfaults with SDL and I'm not sure if it's related to the CVS SDL or the program, or both. |
| 19:19.43 | numatrix | Neo|Work: might that be related to your recent patch? /me goes and browses sdl archives.... |
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| 19:21.48 | midway | hi all |
| 19:24.33 | Neo|Work | numatrix: the patch fixes it so SDL actually works... |
| 19:24.45 | Neo|Work | otherwise it failes because I created a widget before qpeapplication |
| 19:26.03 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Ok, I'll apply the patch to my local copy and see if it fixes my problem. Thanks a bunch. |
| 19:26.27 | Neo|Work | numatrix: btw, what's up with zfi not updating? |
| 19:27.07 | numatrix | Neo|Work: I saw your PM about that the other day; I haven't had a chance to look into it lately. |
| 19:27.37 | numatrix | Neo|Work: the other guy who worked on it with me hasn't been around much and I haven't paid much attention to it. Let me take a look at it now. |
| 19:28.45 | numatrix | doh. Oh yeah, he never fixed the cronjob. He was having processes die on it, so I had him shutoff the cron until he could fix it, but we never fixed it and renabled. Easy enough. |
| 19:29.33 | numatrix | holy cow. People actually use zfi. What do you know... (I haven't been watching the logs much) |
| 19:30.04 | numatrix | funny how that happens. ;-) |
| 19:34.24 | numatrix | Neo|Work: hmm, here's what the current cvs has in it: |
| 19:34.40 | numatrix | Neo|Work: I'll query it to you to not flood the channel. |
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| 19:41.31 | numatrix | Doh. can someone help with the buildroot? I'm trying to make a change to some of the sdl source before it's compiled, but after it's pulled from CVS, but when I try a make clean, make, it redownloads all the source from cvs. Without having a patch file be applied somewhere in the make process is there another way to do it? |
| 19:42.01 | kergoth`lunch | make SUBDIRS=packages/blah sourcetrees |
| 19:42.03 | kergoth`lunch | cd build/blah |
| 19:42.06 | kergoth`lunch | *change stuff* |
| 19:42.08 | kergoth`lunch | cd ../.. |
| 19:42.09 | kergoth`lunch | make |
| 19:42.52 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: excellent. Did you see the conversation above with Neo? He submitted a patch that hopefully should fix some of the sdl issues... |
| 19:43.09 | kergoth`lunch | excellent |
| 19:43.36 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: hopefully it'll be in CVS before too long. |
| 19:44.06 | kergoth`lunch | we can always have buildroot apply that patch until that happens |
| 19:44.43 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: yeah, I thought of that too, but if they're just going to add it to cvs in a few days, it's probably not worth it because we'll just have to take it off soon enough. |
| 19:44.57 | kergoth`lunch | k |
| 19:46.40 | numatrix | kergoth`lunch: I'll try to keep an eye on it and send you the patch if it doesn't show up. |
| 19:47.02 | MSpin | heya kergoth`lunch |
| 19:47.29 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 19:47.31 | kergoth | how goes it |
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| 19:47.51 | MSpin | kergoth: not too bad...been *really* busy tho... |
| 19:48.36 | kergoth | yeah, know how that is |
| 19:48.55 | MSpin | maybe one of these days I'll release another kismet_qt |
| 19:50.45 | kergoth | fyi, the 'sharp'/'oz' selection confuses those poor ipaq familiar users |
| 19:50.46 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 19:51.14 | kergoth | should maybe say wlan-ng/WE or something.. /me shrugs |
| 19:51.36 | _PsyJob | kergoth its normal that opie doesnt start ? and segfault ? i have to install the other package ? |
| 19:51.45 | kergoth | opie should start just fine |
| 19:51.51 | kergoth | it doesnt in that image? |
| 19:51.53 | _PsyJob | when i boot ? |
| 19:51.56 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:51.59 | _PsyJob | nope |
| 19:52.04 | kergoth | well i'll look into it |
| 19:52.09 | _PsyJob | hehe ok |
| 19:52.12 | _PsyJob | i log in as root |
| 19:52.26 | _PsyJob | then nothing, i try to start opie from the rc2.d or init.d |
| 19:52.48 | _PsyJob | the log give me a couples of QImage::smoothscale image is a null image, (10-15 like that) |
| 19:53.22 | _PsyJob | he do a isVisableWindows calling qwsServer->clientWindows then segfault |
| 19:53.41 | kergoth | hm, that means the qt in that image was hose |
| 19:53.42 | kergoth | d |
| 19:53.45 | kergoth | k |
| 19:53.53 | _PsyJob | ok ok |
| 19:54.17 | _PsyJob | also got a could not read calibration: /etc/pol..... but like i guess i never did it once |
| 19:54.27 | _PsyJob | well too bad, will see tonight |
| 19:54.38 | _PsyJob | you ever flashed your c700 from USB ? i saw that in the flash menu |
| 19:54.48 | _PsyJob | not sure what to use thought for it |
| 19:55.52 | numatrix | hmm, yeah, our SDL is definitely b0rked, and that patch will definitely fix it. |
| 19:56.00 | numatrix | yay! /me doe sa happy dance. |
| 19:56.47 | _PsyJob | see you tonight, im closing chat, its not same for my work |
| 19:56.49 | _PsyJob | ;) |
| 19:58.33 | numatrix | crap. Maybe not. <sigh> |
| 20:07.38 | kergoth | eek |
| 20:07.48 | kergoth | just had to alter.. all of the package makefiles |
| 20:07.55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:07.56 | TheMasterMind1 | fun |
| 20:08.03 | TheMasterMind1 | massive push time |
| 20:08.11 | kergoth | takepatch: 186 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 181 files |
| 20:08.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:08.16 | kergoth | whee |
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| 20:12.33 | pnis | hi |
| 20:12.45 | kergoth | hey pnis |
| 20:12.48 | pnis | hi kergoth |
| 20:13.19 | kergoth | /usr/src/corgi$ ls output/ipks/*_arm.ipk|wc -l |
| 20:13.20 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.29 | kergoth | good, only the kernel ipks now to get the architecture set right |
| 20:13.31 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 20:13.46 | pnis | has there already been a rebuild of the feed? because mplayer won't build now hehe. |
| 20:14.08 | kergoth | hm, didnt have a chance to update t yesterday |
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| 20:16.19 | pnis | that's cool |
| 20:17.50 | pnis | now it should build |
| 20:18.16 | pnis | btw if the Makefile says made by qmake 1.04 - does it mean it's not using oz's qmake ? |
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| 20:18.43 | mrskinner | does anyone know what packages i need to download to get op2 media player to work? |
| 20:19.08 | kergoth | opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 20:19.09 | kergoth | libxine1 |
| 20:19.16 | kergoth | libmad, libogg, libvorbisidec, iirc |
| 20:19.33 | mrskinner | if i just want to play mp3s? |
| 20:20.36 | pnis | so this is not correct ? :export PATH:=$(BUILD_DIR)/qmake-1.8/bin:$(QTDIR)/bin:$(PATH) and it should be export QMAKE=$(OPIEDIR)/qmake/qmake ? |
| 20:20.57 | kergoth | pnis: iirc qmake gets installed intot the staging bin dir |
| 20:21.11 | kergoth | pnis: so its already in the path (staging bindir gets added to the front of the path in Vars.make) |
| 20:21.19 | kergoth | but you need to set QMAKESPEC |
| 20:21.31 | pnis | kergoth: ok. so PATH is not needed, only QMAKESPEC . |
| 20:21.32 | pnis | thanks |
| 20:21.34 | pnis | I will try it |
| 20:21.41 | numatrix | has anyone tested prboom in oz 3.2? |
| 20:22.30 | mrskinner | has anyone played prboom at all? |
| 20:22.48 | numatrix | mrskinner: yes. :-) |
| 20:22.51 | numatrix | mrskinner: plays great |
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| 20:23.04 | mrskinner | and do i need to download that giant libxine to just play mp3's with op2? |
| 20:23.12 | mrskinner | do you use the commercial wads? |
| 20:23.18 | mrskinner | or the demo ones. |
| 20:23.20 | numatrix | mrskinner: I've played with both |
| 20:23.34 | pnis | cool, that's qmake 1.04 . Another strong argument for xmms building being fixed :) |
| 20:24.10 | mrskinner | i just remember trying it and it not letting me play because it's "not using registered version" |
| 20:24.35 | numatrix | mrskinner: wierd. Demo worked fine for me, and I had an old doomII cd somewhere that I made an ipk out of that worked as well. |
| 20:24.46 | mrskinner | stupid windowsxp cd doesn't want to copy. |
| 20:25.10 | mrskinner | how am i supposed to pirate this if it doesn't copy)(#$)($*#)(&%()#*$ |
| 20:25.19 | mrskinner | hah. |
| 20:25.21 | yeiazel | use gnu/linux |
| 20:25.34 | mrskinner | i do. |
| 20:25.37 | yeiazel | :) |
| 20:25.51 | mrskinner | i need photoshop and office for work though. |
| 20:26.06 | mrskinner | and i don't feel like learning gimp. |
| 20:27.17 | yeiazel | ok |
| 20:27.23 | kergoth | treke: fyi |
| 20:27.26 | pnis | mrskinner: wine doesn't work with them ? |
| 20:27.42 | kergoth | treke: fixed the control handling in ipkg-make-kernel-packages, now it'll actually use the dirs you pass on the cmdline |
| 20:27.53 | kergoth | Packaged contents of /usr/src/corgi/packages/kernel-c700/kernel-packages.2903/pcmcia into ./pcmcia-modules_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-3b_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 20:27.56 | kergoth | woot. |
| 20:28.07 | kergoth | hm, that shoudl be 'corgi' though, not armv4l-strongarm |
| 20:29.06 | kergoth | ah there we go |
| 20:29.12 | pnis | :) |
| 20:30.02 | lsmith | ah nice ... keyboard working on vnc |
| 20:30.03 | pnis | btw could somebody tell me where tkc mailinglist archives can be found ? I need some entertainment :) |
| 20:32.05 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 20:37.31 | pnis | hm it's no -z9 day on sf today? -z3 works |
| 20:37.31 | mrskinner | hrmm. op2 wont start. |
| 20:37.42 | mrskinner | do i need to download default landscape theme too? |
| 20:37.47 | kergoth | mrskinner: add /opt/QtPalmtop/bin to /etc/profile's PATH |
| 20:38.22 | treke | kergoth: ha :) |
| 20:38.26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:38.31 | treke | it didnt before? |
| 20:38.39 | mrskinner | wee. crashed opie. |
| 20:39.01 | kergoth | treke: no, it was broken. |
| 20:39.04 | pnis | hi TheMasterMind1 |
| 20:39.09 | kergoth | treke: heheh |
| 20:39.11 | pnis | hi treke |
| 20:40.09 | treke | PNIS |
| 20:41.13 | mrskinner | man. this beats the hell out of the orignal one. |
| 20:41.26 | mrskinner | thanks kergoth. |
| 20:41.44 | mrskinner | is there a way to turn the screen off in opie? |
| 20:41.50 | numatrix | mrskinner: check your power settings |
| 20:42.30 | mrskinner | thanks. |
| 20:42.42 | mrskinner | somone should build that function into op2 |
| 20:43.47 | pnis | now if I change cvs -z9 to -z3 which package will break ? |
| 20:44.03 | treke | 11559 N L Apr 03 Jon McClintock ( 20) [Familiar] New ipkg is broken... |
| 20:44.09 | treke | s/New// |
| 20:44.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:47.15 | Sythos | somebody know where opie-wordgame store dictionary? |
| 20:48.56 | treke | /usr/share/dict? |
| 20:50.23 | Sythos | uh? |
| 20:50.27 | Sythos | i look for it |
| 20:51.10 | Sythos | i haven't /usr/share/dic |
| 20:51.11 | Sythos | :( |
| 20:51.20 | kergoth | Sythos: ipkg files opie-wordgame? |
| 20:51.31 | Sythos | ... |
| 20:51.36 | Sythos | yes... now i try |
| 20:51.42 | kergoth | we're at 2500 downloads of the oz collie initrd.bin |
| 20:51.42 | Sythos | if ipkg don't segfault |
| 20:51.43 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 20:51.56 | treke | cool |
| 20:52.01 | kergoth | treke: okay, created output/kernel-packages |
| 20:52.19 | kergoth | treke: all kernel builds shoudl dump any generated control data there and add it to the dirs on the ipkg-make-kernel-packages line |
| 20:52.33 | treke | ok |
| 20:52.33 | kergoth | i'm altering the ipaq, collie, and corgi builds appropriately |
| 20:52.38 | Sythos | as i suppose, opie-wordgame hasn't a defualt dictionary |
| 20:52.48 | treke | thanks to my stupid linksys router I cant get into my home machine to pull |
| 20:52.51 | Sythos | in fact every new word it ask me confimation to save them |
| 20:53.01 | Sythos | linksys? |
| 20:53.05 | Sythos | adsl? |
| 20:53.09 | Sythos | ppoa or pppoe? |
| 20:53.13 | kenb | linksys? You mean... Cisco ;) |
| 20:53.22 | treke | adsl. pppoe |
| 20:53.51 | treke | kergoth: :) |
| 20:53.55 | treke | er kenb: |
| 20:54.05 | treke | kenb: I wish |
| 20:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | you have to instlal the charset or something |
| 20:54.29 | Sythos | treke qhat about zyxel 642r? |
| 20:54.32 | Sythos | ^_^ |
| 20:54.39 | kergoth | i thought the word lists were in the i18n packages.. at least, thats where pickboard gets them |
| 20:54.40 | treke | Sythos: probably. I dont know |
| 20:54.43 | kergoth | dunno about dict |
| 20:55.49 | pnis | i updated getsource to cvs -z3 - that works for BOTH libavcodec and xmms-e on sf.net |
| 20:56.02 | kergoth | what was it before? |
| 20:56.04 | Sythos | treke 1mb-UL & 8mb-DL; pppoa, pppoe, pptp; firewall and NAT |
| 20:56.08 | Sythos | old model |
| 20:56.16 | pnis | before yesterday -z4 yesterday -z9 (that worked for ffmpeg) |
| 20:56.18 | Sythos | last 64X hasn't so many thing |
| 20:56.19 | Sythos | ^_^ |
| 20:56.22 | kergoth | pnis: ah |
| 20:56.25 | lsmith | is opie-login safe to install? |
| 20:56.27 | kergoth | pnis: sourceforge being a bitch again |
| 20:56.36 | treke | Sythos: I think its a 645. Not that I really care |
| 20:56.38 | pnis | kergoth: yes |
| 20:57.07 | pnis | this ain't the sercive I subscribed for hehe:] |
| 21:05.45 | kergoth | treke: okay, so far only kernel and ipkg itself are the actual machine type as architecture |
| 21:05.52 | kergoth | wonder what others shoudl be |
| 21:05.59 | kergoth | probably libqpe, since it had ipaq/zaurus ifdefs |
| 21:09.46 | numatrix | kergoth: do you know where the sdl-qtopia.patch came from? |
| 21:09.57 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:10.03 | kergoth | onyx4 maintained our sdl packages' |
| 21:11.59 | numatrix | Hmm. He might have used the 'wrong' patch. There was one out that wasn't too good. |
| 21:12.17 | kergoth | Patches Welcome |
| 21:12.19 | kergoth | </timriker> |
| 21:12.23 | numatrix | kergoth: ;-) |
| 21:13.11 | treke | kergoth: gah |
| 21:13.20 | treke | kergoth: I bet I know why people are having so many syncing problems |
| 21:13.23 | kergoth | treke: ? |
| 21:14.10 | treke | kergoth: zauruszone's faqs dont agree with the setup oz uses. They use 192.168.129.1 as the desktop ip, not .200 |
| 21:14.24 | kergoth | ah, so the default gateway is wrong? |
| 21:14.27 | treke | yup |
| 21:14.45 | treke | not sure if that would cause problems, but it might |
| 21:14.50 | numatrix | Neo|Work: you still around? |
| 21:15.04 | treke | I'm trying qtopia desktop as soon as it downloads |
| 21:15.07 | kergoth | treke: ah, yep.. i'll update the hotplug package with the correct default |
| 21:15.39 | kergoth | note: it'll only affect those who install this hotplug package and dont already have usbd0 in their interfaces file |
| 21:15.44 | kergoth | its added to interfaces via apostinst |
| 21:15.51 | treke | or update the faq :) |
| 21:16.03 | kergoth | i like .1 better anyway |
| 21:16.04 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:16.35 | treke | same |
| 21:16.55 | treke | gah. ftp.trolltech.com is back to its old self |
| 21:17.07 | treke | anyone have a mirror of qtopiadesktop? :) |
| 21:18.19 | numatrix | Neo|Work: Can you take a look at this patch and let me know if it's the 'right' one, or if it's Alexandre's borked one: http://psifertex.nerdc.ufl.edu/sdl-qtopia.patch |
| 21:18.30 | numatrix | thanks, if so. |
| 21:21.51 | treke | bleh. I keep forgetting that ipkg update wont find updates if I dont build any :) |
| 21:21.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:22.11 | kergoth | forgetting to increment Revision? |
| 21:22.18 | treke | forgot to do a new build |
| 21:22.35 | treke | I just blindly did ipkg update in hopes of finding new files |
| 21:22.42 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:22.43 | kergoth | ehhe |
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| 21:23.22 | treke | ooh. a trolltech mirror |
| 21:23.47 | treke | hrm, "qtopia-commercial-sdk-1.6.0-1.i386.rpm" |
| 21:24.07 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:24.13 | pnis | onyx4 is not working on OZ/OE now ? |
| 21:24.19 | kergoth | ibot: seen onyx4 |
| 21:24.20 | | onyx4 <onyx4@adsl-63-194-216-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 58d 24m 5s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 21:24.24 | kergoth | pnis: ^^ |
| 21:24.27 | pnis | ah |
| 21:24.33 | kergoth | apparently not |
| 21:24.38 | pnis | i see |
| 21:25.07 | pnis | so nobody heard from him since then that is ? |
| 21:25.11 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:25.15 | kergoth | havent heard from him |
| 21:25.28 | kergoth | you vanished from irc, but still on mailing lists.. he just vanished. |
| 21:25.32 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:25.36 | pnis | :) |
| 21:26.03 | pnis | yes, time is a scarce resource |
| 21:26.17 | pnis | i mean free time |
| 21:26.43 | kergoth | indeed |
| 21:27.06 | pnis | anyhow, nice only 3 bug reports in 3 days regarding the sound modules |
| 21:27.10 | pnis | :) |
| 21:27.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:27.23 | kergoth | you ever able to reproduce that bug? |
| 21:27.32 | pnis | not the left channel |
| 21:27.35 | pnis | pops i heard too |
| 21:27.40 | pnis | but no idea why :) |
| 21:27.40 | kergoth | k |
| 21:28.04 | kergoth | pnis: you have a sf acct? i dont recall if you're on the sf project or not. if not, i'll add you and you can take care of those sound bugs |
| 21:28.20 | pnis | i wonder if tkc will donate the source for the mutual benefit of both entities (tkc and oe crew) |
| 21:28.30 | pnis | thanks, pnis is my user |
| 21:28.34 | kergoth | k |
| 21:28.34 | pnis | (xmms-e is on sf too) |
| 21:28.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:29.02 | pnis | i meant tkcplayer sources |
| 21:29.10 | pnis | and others that have problems |
| 21:29.13 | pnis | would they ?:) |
| 21:29.26 | kergoth | haha when hell freezes over maybe |
| 21:29.33 | pnis | :) |
| 21:29.43 | pnis | and perhaps without source , to test ? |
| 21:30.02 | treke | that assumes bigboss cared about the benefit of oe :) |
| 21:30.29 | pnis | that would be his benefit too - and a new entry on their funded projects page !:) |
| 21:30.51 | pnis | have you asked this before already from them ? |
| 21:30.56 | kergoth | k, you're on the project and are a bugs technician |
| 21:31.02 | pnis | kergoth: thank you |
| 21:31.42 | treke | sweet |
| 21:31.43 | kergoth | thank you! less bugs for me to try to reproduce and keep track of |
| 21:31.44 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:31.49 | treke | way to suck qtopia deskto |
| 21:31.51 | treke | way to suck |
| 21:32.08 | pnis | :) |
| 21:32.33 | pnis | so what if I ask tkc if they would give oe some of their apps ? I want to see tkcplayer and video :> |
| 21:32.34 | treke | segfaults. :) |
| 21:33.58 | pnis | treke that costs money, though :) |
| 21:34.06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:34.09 | kergoth | treke: opinion |
| 21:34.16 | kergoth | tslib w/ input layer, tslib without |
| 21:34.20 | kergoth | qt/e w/ tslib, without |
| 21:34.25 | kergoth | how to handle these build time differences? |
| 21:34.32 | kergoth | I can make those machine type specific.. |
| 21:34.36 | treke | yeah but if I need to spend money for oe to work for people, I'll do it. Just let me know if a bug comes up that you need a copy to test with |
| 21:34.48 | kergoth | but it really applies to a group of machien types. that is, machines that use the input layer, or have tslib support |
| 21:35.01 | treke | hmm |
| 21:35.18 | treke | i'd say make them machine type specific |
| 21:35.25 | kergoth | could change packagename .. e.g. libqt2-emb-tslib |
| 21:35.26 | kergoth | or something |
| 21:35.36 | pnis | treke i will ask them, we will both have a good laugh, and than we forget about them :) thanks for the offer anyhow |
| 21:35.59 | treke | kergoth: I'd vote for just leaving it at libqt2-emb ( or better yet libqte2) |
| 21:36.08 | kergoth | yeah, we need to fix that. libqte2 is proper |
| 21:36.16 | treke | realistically speaking, this is ipkg we are talking about |
| 21:36.18 | kergoth | so leave the packagename, adn make them machine specific? |
| 21:36.27 | kergoth | libqte2_..._corgi.ipk |
| 21:36.47 | treke | kergoth: Yeah, it's going to be corgi specific anyways, wouldnt it? |
| 21:37.09 | pnis | it is time for me to go to sleep |
| 21:37.13 | pnis | so goodnight to all |
| 21:37.16 | pnis | bye kergoth, treke |
| 21:37.18 | treke | kergoth: Would we be able to share a libqte2 between ipaq and zaurus if we went the libqte2-tslib method? |
| 21:37.32 | kergoth | treke: with the exception of keyboard handling, but i'm going to make it obey kernel keymap |
| 21:37.47 | treke | if thats the case, then I would vote for the latter |
| 21:37.49 | kergoth | treke: at tthat point, we can use a single armv4l-strongarm libqte2 across both Z and ipaq, i'd think |
| 21:37.54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:38.00 | kergoth | maybe i should finish the tslib work |
| 21:38.06 | kergoth | and just ditch the nontslib qte completely |
| 21:38.17 | treke | I have no qualms with using tslib on the ipaq |
| 21:38.18 | kergoth | afaik every device we support has tslib support, and if they dont i can add it easy enough |
| 21:39.31 | treke | that would probably be worth the trouble |
| 21:39.40 | kergoth | yeah.. |
| 21:39.51 | kergoth | tslib input layer vs no input layer shoudl probably be handled as machine type specific packages |
| 21:39.59 | kergoth | ramses is the only one using input layer for ts support atm afaik |
| 21:40.16 | treke | I believe I could do that on ipaq if need be |
| 21:40.30 | kergoth | doesnt matter really, tslib has ipaq support as is |
| 21:40.51 | kergoth | okay, time to set libqpe to be machine specific, tslib to be machien speicifc for ramses only |
| 21:40.57 | kergoth | and use tslib across the board |
| 21:41.25 | kergoth | you know, i thought packaging was complex before |
| 21:41.35 | kergoth | now we have dependency issues, upgrade path stuff, and now architecture |
| 21:41.37 | treke | what in libqpe is machine specific? |
| 21:41.44 | kergoth | ipaq vs zaurus ifdef'd bits |
| 21:41.50 | treke | ah. |
| 21:41.53 | kergoth | i'd like to split odevice out of libopie and make libqpe use it |
| 21:42.01 | kergoth | but mickey is working on libopie2 anyway |
| 21:42.12 | kergoth | so maybe that can wait till post 1.0 |
| 21:42.14 | treke | libopie doesnt need libqpe does it? |
| 21:42.28 | kergoth | not sure actually |
| 21:42.34 | kergoth | i know it uses libqte, not sure about qpe |
| 21:43.00 | MSpin | mmm...lunch |
| 21:43.20 | kergoth | i ate too much |
| 21:43.23 | kergoth | need a nap or something |
| 21:43.26 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:43.41 | MSpin | kergoth: did anything ever coem of ADS> |
| 21:43.58 | numatrix | Hmm, I might know the SDL problem. I think the new SDL tries to rotate the screen so apps run natively the way you'd expect using SDL. The problem is that some apps (znester, and fceultra) require more width than you have available if you try to rotate the screen. |
| 21:44.29 | treke | kergoth: was libopie2 meant to replace libqpe? |
| 21:44.39 | numatrix | At least, that's one of the problems. fceultra has others, it appears like, but znester will work with an older version of cvs (ie, a pre-rotated cvs). |
| 21:45.04 | kergoth | treke: long term, yes |
| 21:46.00 | treke | bah recursive depends :) |
| 21:46.05 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:46.31 | treke | odevice ofileselector, ofontment, and ofontselector depend on libqpe |
| 21:48.23 | treke | ODevice could be a problem since it legitimatly uses qpe stuff |
| 21:59.59 | numatrix | ~NeoTron |
| 22:00.00 | | [neotron] http://david.hedbor.org, http://eongames.com/, mailto:david@eongames.com, mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 22:05.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you ever get ahold of lorddavon? |
| 22:06.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: didn't email him |
| 22:06.14 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
| 22:07.11 | kergoth | just curious |
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| 22:21.13 | masticator | sup dudes. |
| 22:22.25 | kergoth | trying to keep up with ipkg releases |
| 22:22.30 | kergoth | been a cuple a day lately |
| 22:22.31 | kergoth | heh |
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| 22:24.25 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:24.35 | TheMasterMind1 | jamey's been fixing stuff like crazy |
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| 22:24.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 22:24.55 | kergoth | but one bug gets fixed and theres then a new one |
| 22:24.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:25.05 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 22:46.46 | treke | kergoth: is usbd part of the usbdnet brokenness |
| 22:47.06 | kergoth | usbdnet sucks in its own ways |
| 22:47.09 | kergoth | doesnt need usbd suckiness |
| 22:47.52 | treke | hrm. Would you recommend using usbd on the pda side or should I avoid it like the plague? |
| 22:48.07 | kergoth | its a very cool stack, and those who know prefer it |
| 22:48.14 | kergoth | note that greg k-h was going to merge it into 2.5.x |
| 22:48.22 | kergoth | but he doenst have anyone to test it |
| 22:48.37 | kergoth | it has some bugs, but its quite well done in general |
| 22:48.40 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:48.42 | treke | cool. so I'll try patching it in when I get home. The thought of being able to resume without having to disconnect the ipaq is appealing |
| 22:49.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i do patcher -i then what |
| 22:49.02 | kergoth | patcher rocks |
| 22:49.17 | kergoth | go edit the rejected bits |
| 22:49.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i agree, i just need to learn how to use it |
| 22:49.20 | kergoth | fix em up |
| 22:49.22 | kergoth | then run patcher -r |
| 22:49.26 | kergoth | ta da, fresh new patch |
| 22:49.27 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i know what was rejected |
| 22:49.32 | kergoth | find ./ -name \*.rej |
| 22:49.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:49.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:49.40 | kergoth | patcher -i will fail if it doesnt apply cleanly |
| 22:49.40 | HCl | hmm |
| 22:49.43 | kergoth | you have to patcher -f -i |
| 22:49.50 | kergoth | then it'll force an apply and warn you about the rejects |
| 22:49.50 | HCl | kergoth: i've been having quite some stability problems with oz 3.2 |
| 22:49.53 | kergoth | go edit them, run patcher -r |
| 22:49.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ERROR: no '/home/agupta/buildroot/build/linux/.patches/pcmcia-2.5.1-pre8.files', can not refresh |
| 22:49.59 | kergoth | HCl: such as? i ahvent heard any problems |
| 22:50.04 | HCl | one being zaurus suspending while programs are running using the cf |
| 22:50.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: that indicates it didnt apply cleanly, so it didnt apply at all |
| 22:50.09 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:50.13 | Neo|Work | numatrix: to complement the email, that patch is BAD |
| 22:50.20 | kergoth | HCl: thats a problem how? |
| 22:50.23 | HCl | once it came out of it, it hangs |
| 22:50.30 | HCl | i had opie kill itself |
| 22:50.31 | Neo|Work | print it out and burn it up! |
| 22:50.32 | kergoth | what does? opie? |
| 22:50.36 | kergoth | Neo|Work: lol |
| 22:50.36 | HCl | and had to log back in and restart it |
| 22:50.49 | HCl | and the second time i couldnt even log back in and had to disconnect power |
| 22:51.16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: this thing doesn't patch sa1100_collie either |
| 22:51.19 | TheMasterMind1 | so i doubt it'll work |
| 22:51.20 | Neo|Work | numatrix: it's a bad hack for someone who didn't understad my qtopia SDL code |
| 22:51.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:51.25 | kergoth | collie would need altering |
| 22:51.33 | Neo|Work | and who didn't care that when quicking, the keys would remain locked... |
| 22:51.36 | kergoth | Neo|Work: should we patch at all, or use stock cvs, or what? |
| 22:52.35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so should i bother fixing all the patches that failed for the other arm types? assabet, cerf, etc? or just generic and then port one of the others to collie |
| 22:53.07 | Neo|Work | kergoth: there is one patch that is needed |
| 22:53.10 | kergoth | dont bother fixing the ones we dont need |
| 22:53.13 | Neo|Work | that should be added to CVS soon |
| 22:53.17 | kergoth | ok |
| 22:53.30 | kergoth | well numatrix seems to know whats what, i'll let him field the changes and send me a patch to fix our sdl |
| 22:53.47 | Neo|Work | kergoth: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/SDL_Qtopia_main.diff |
| 22:54.46 | Neo|Work | without it, it doesn't work at all |
| 22:54.49 | TheMasterMind1 | oh another thing i need to look into |
| 22:54.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kaffe does qte |
| 22:55.02 | TheMasterMind1 | some guy sent me patches once |
| 22:55.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i never added to buildroot |
| 22:55.07 | treke | TheMasterMind1: twiun is working on it |
| 22:55.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ah good |
| 22:55.12 | treke | TheMasterMind1: look at wonka |
| 22:55.15 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:55.17 | TheMasterMind1 | wonka is different |
| 22:55.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kaffe already has fullfledged qte support |
| 22:55.38 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun is actually writing qte support for wonka |
| 22:55.42 | TheMasterMind1 | gonna take a while |
| 22:55.44 | treke | ok |
| 22:56.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:56.51 | TheMasterMind1 | thats why i never got it working |
| 22:58.05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: twiun knows about the kaffe support |
| 22:58.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: talk to him, he knows whats up |
| 22:58.31 | kergoth | er, kenb whatd you do to my topic? |
| 22:58.55 | kenb | I probably removed it for someone unkown reason. |
| 22:59.03 | kenb | silly irc script. |
| 22:59.17 | *** topic/#openembedded by kergoth -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less!(tm) | OpenEmbedded bitkeeper repos now contains useful stuff | See OpenZaurus buildroot for usable code now | OpenZaurus 3.2 released! |
| 22:59.23 | kergoth | close enough |
| 22:59.24 | kenb | that's better. |
| 22:59.42 | treke | I figure twiun probably decided to write his own qte support for a reason :) |
| 22:59.47 | kenb | Many people abused my Z last night @ LUG meeting. |
| 23:00.10 | kenb | they managed to crash it at least twice |
| 23:00.31 | kenb | once by removing the 802.11b card while kistmet was running. |
| 23:00.44 | kergoth | ah, yeah if you dont eject the card properly, things arent happy with you |
| 23:00.46 | kenb | so that was understandable |
| 23:00.50 | kenb | yup. |
| 23:00.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, wow. all the collie stuff is hacked into the sa1100_generic so badly |
| 23:00.57 | TheMasterMind1 | ifdef collie |
| 23:00.58 | TheMasterMind1 | do this |
| 23:00.58 | kenb | The assume since you can hot-insert... |
| 23:01.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you're surprised? |
| 23:01.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ;) |
| 23:01.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh |
| 23:01.09 | kergoth | this is lineo |
| 23:01.15 | kenb | that you can hot-remove |
| 23:01.32 | kergoth | kenb: i think its hostap thats reacting badly |
| 23:01.35 | kergoth | not certain |
| 23:01.40 | kenb | not a major issue |
| 23:02.42 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:02.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i give up |
| 23:02.48 | TheMasterMind1 | too much of a pain |
| 23:03.01 | TheMasterMind1 | the suspend function is totally different |
| 23:03.10 | TheMasterMind1 | probably the lineo patch ripped out its contents |
| 23:03.14 | TheMasterMind1 | and replaced with its crap |
| 23:03.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i wouldn't be surprised |
| 23:03.31 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:05.50 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 23:05.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried |
| 23:06.01 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe some other time.. doesn't look that complicated actually |
| 23:06.53 | TheMasterMind1 | what about that .19 jffs2 that you ported to .7, how easy would porting back to .6 be |
| 23:07.22 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll give that a shot too |
| 23:09.24 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@hubris:~/buildroot/build/linux$ patcher -i ../../packages/kernel/patch-jffs2-2.4.19 |
| 23:09.25 | TheMasterMind1 | NOTE: import patch '../../packages/kernel/patch-jffs2-2.4.19' as 'patch-jffs2-2.4.19' |
| 23:09.27 | TheMasterMind1 | is that a good sign? |
| 23:09.56 | TheMasterMind1 | sure looks like a good sign to me.. |
| 23:10.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: have you tried this already? |
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| 23:10.35 | TheMasterMind1 | mchang: you try that cradle thing? |
| 23:10.56 | kergoth | havent tried that |
| 23:11.03 | TheMasterMind1 | how would i test it |
| 23:11.07 | kergoth | but i think it'll fail to compile due to the change to struct completed |
| 23:11.08 | kergoth | try gbuilding it |
| 23:11.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmf |
| 23:11.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try |
| 23:11.37 | treke | so did anyone fix openssl today? :) |
| 23:11.38 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:11.59 | TheMasterMind1 | damn mit |
| 23:12.41 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/home/agupta/buildroot/stamps/.kernel-headers.binary', needed by `binary'. Stop. |
| 23:15.46 | TheMasterMind1 | cp -R /home/agupta/buildroot/build/linux/include/asm/* /home/agupta/buildroot/output/staging/include/asm/; |
| 23:15.46 | TheMasterMind1 | cp: cannot stat `/home/agupta/buildroot/build/linux/include/asm/*': No such file or directory |
| 23:15.47 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf? |
| 23:16.15 | TheMasterMind1 | why is that happening |
| 23:18.46 | kergoth | eh, not sure |
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| 23:21.10 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 23:21.17 | TheMasterMind1 | why is it not extracting the sources |
| 23:21.21 | TheMasterMind1 | its just staginginstall |
| 23:21.47 | TheMasterMind1 | do i not use kernel-collie ? |
| 23:22.03 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:22.13 | kergoth | kernel-headers is a sane set of headers so we dont ned to build a kernel just to build glibc |
| 23:22.18 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 23:22.24 | kergoth | it gets built before the real kernel does, so its headers get overwritten by the real ones |
| 23:22.31 | TheMasterMind1 | agupta@hubris:~/buildroot$ make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie package |
| 23:22.35 | TheMasterMind1 | goes straight to staging install |
| 23:22.38 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't extract sources |
| 23:22.49 | TheMasterMind1 | all stamps are gone |
| 23:22.53 | TheMasterMind1 | build/linux doesn't exist |
| 23:23.07 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:23.15 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie clean |
| 23:23.18 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie package |
| 23:23.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:23.20 | TheMasterMind1 | yea did that |
| 23:23.25 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:23.33 | TheMasterMind1 | make[1]: *** [/home/agupta/buildroot/stamps/.kernel-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix.staginginstall] Error 1 |
| 23:23.55 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 23:23.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i even mrproper |
| 23:24.04 | kergoth | thats messed up |
| 23:25.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:25.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i had .19 selected in config |
| 23:25.54 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 23:25.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27.09 | _Psycho | back home |
| 23:27.12 | _Psycho | had a bad day |
| 23:27.23 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 23:27.28 | kergoth | get that sco box behaving itself? |
| 23:27.44 | _Psycho | haha |
| 23:28.05 | _Psycho | it got a general failure or a big vatriable like LEMMTPR_WHATEVER_FB_DRES_SOMETHIGN |
| 23:28.08 | _Psycho | rebooted |
| 23:28.10 | _Psycho | go figure |
| 23:28.16 | _Psycho | my find crashed it ;) |
| 23:28.28 | _Psycho | probably cause i was on it during the backup /shrug |
| 23:28.34 | _Psycho | doesnt matter it work fine |
| 23:28.47 | _Psycho | still waiting on a working rom too =p |
| 23:28.53 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 23:29.03 | _Psycho | sandisk gave me a weird reply |
| 23:29.11 | _Psycho | for my reader that i messed up |
| 23:29.23 | _Psycho | to remove some registry key after i uninstalled it, not sure |
| 23:29.26 | _Psycho | its weird anyway |
| 23:29.32 | _Psycho | gonna try that |
| 23:30.37 | TheMasterMind1 | finally got it compiling |
| 23:30.38 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 23:31.30 | mchang | TheMasterMind1: not yet. |
| 23:37.04 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/agupta/buildroot/build/linux/include/linux/jffs2_fs_sb.h:8: linux/completion.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:37.05 | TheMasterMind1 | In file included from nodelist.h:41, |
| 23:37.05 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.05 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/agupta/buildroot/build/linux/include/linux/jffs2_fs_sb.h:31: field `gc_thread_exit' has incomplete type |
| 23:37.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sniff |
| 23:37.51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:37.54 | kergoth | told ya |
| 23:37.56 | kergoth | struct completion |
| 23:38.02 | kergoth | thats why i moved us to 2.4.7 |
| 23:38.06 | kergoth | cause thats when that change happened |
| 23:38.16 | TheMasterMind1 | oof |
| 23:38.18 | TheMasterMind1 | screw it |
| 23:55.15 | djr | nifty |
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