| 00:01.17 | StarKruzr | Anybody around who can help me with making my SL-5500's sync with Qtopia Desktop work? |
| 00:01.40 | StarKruzr | I have a network adapter and I think everything's working fine on the Z end |
| 00:02.48 | sheenmaster | StarKruzr: I don't use winshit, but I seem to remember some problem with qtdesktop and ethernet. |
| 00:02.54 | sheenmaster | StarKruzr: does it work through the cradle? |
| 00:02.58 | numatrix | sheenmaster: dunno, though I plan on trying kismet sometime soon. I gave wellenweiter a try earlier, but I'm not even sure if it's functional. |
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| 00:03.14 | sheenmaster | numatrix: kismet kicks royal ass |
| 00:03.22 | StarKruzr | sheenmaster: I should have been more specific: I meant I have usbd0 there, but for some reason now it seems not to have an IP address |
| 00:03.26 | numatrix | sheenmaster: oh, believe me, I know. I mean try it with 3.2. :-) |
| 00:03.56 | sheenmaster | numatrix: I found 6 access points at my school, 6 within walking distance of my house. over 50 in my rinky dink county! |
| 00:03.59 | ljp | hi |
| 00:04.06 | StarKruzr | all the info is there in the Network Interface Setup |
| 00:04.11 | sheenmaster | numatrix: and only one has wep! that one belongs to a dollar store |
| 00:04.52 | StarKruzr | 192.168.129.201, sub255.255.255.0, gw192.168.129.200, and my two DNS servers |
| 00:05.00 | sheenmaster | StarKruzr: ah, never linked mine with a windos(yes, I do have to use these names for that piece of shit) computer, ergo I can't help you |
| 00:05.07 | StarKruzr | Bring up on bootup is checked |
| 00:05.26 | StarKruzr | well, what I'm saying is that the adapter thinks it does not have an IP address |
| 00:05.41 | StarKruzr | despite the fact that it's configured statically in Interface Setup |
| 00:06.17 | sheenmaster | 3.2 is codenamed cartman!? that's hella-cool! |
| 00:06.28 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 00:08.06 | StarKruzr | erm |
| 00:08.46 | StarKruzr | any ideas as to why ifconfig says it has no IP but the network application says it does? |
| 00:08.54 | sheenmaster | StarKruzr: I really do wish that I could help, but frankly the evil OS just doesn't make sense. My mother's box is running XP; at exactly 25 hours and 13 minutes of uptime both the printer and the shutdown routines ceise to function. |
| 00:09.08 | StarKruzr | this isn't an XP issue, though |
| 00:09.16 | StarKruzr | the Z appears to be confused |
| 00:09.19 | numatrix | sheenmaster: that's prety funny. My neighborhood has 6 (small apartment complex), and 4 of them are default linksys router combos. ;-) |
| 00:09.35 | sheenmaster | StarKruzr: have you saved the changes and restarted the interface? |
| 00:09.42 | numatrix | sheenmaster: by default, I mean factory default settings, so I could associate and do whatever I wanted since the default pw is 'admin'. ;-) |
| 00:10.03 | StarKruzr | Saving the changes requires only hitting the "OK" button, right? |
| 00:10.06 | sheenmaster | numatrix: hehe |
| 00:10.11 | JasonNJ | I use the default essid but I changed the password on mine... |
| 00:10.23 | StarKruzr | and I guess I can ifupdown the interface, but is there a GUI way to do that? |
| 00:10.45 | JasonNJ | sure |
| 00:10.53 | JasonNJ | in the OZ wireless applet |
| 00:10.57 | JasonNJ | the network applet |
| 00:11.06 | sheenmaster | numatrix: I leave my wap default, aside from the password. It's a sign of strength. |
| 00:11.16 | StarKruzr | yeah, I didn't mention that I haven't been able to get aqpkg working yet either |
| 00:11.43 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: Now I'm no kernel expert, but pm helper looks pretty damn bad |
| 00:11.59 | StarKruzr | # ifdown usbd0 || SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 00:12.03 | StarKruzr | ... wtf? |
| 00:16.39 | StarKruzr | today I connected to the wireless network at work and "Update Package Lists" in aqpkg didn't actually do anything, too (though I could ftp into my school acct) |
| 00:16.55 | treke|home | you know I could simply patch this |
| 00:17.02 | treke|home | all I need to do is change the url to pmhelper |
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| 00:23.28 | StarKruzr | ok, actually, I just fixed it. Now can someone explain to me how aqpkg works? |
| 00:26.51 | StarKruzr | YAY |
| 00:26.53 | StarKruzr | ... I think |
| 00:27.31 | StarKruzr | no |
| 00:27.34 | StarKruzr | I still cannot see what I don't have installed. |
| 00:28.30 | StarKruzr | ooooo |
| 00:28.33 | StarKruzr | ok |
| 00:28.51 | treke|home | hmmm. if this works, usbnet should "just work" |
| 00:28.53 | StarKruzr | What does "Upgrade" do? Just bring me to the latest version of everything I already have installed? |
| 00:29.00 | StarKruzr | treke: What are you working on? |
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| 00:32.06 | mrskinner | wee. i have a B0/\/3R, on the fly rotation |
| 00:35.28 | StarKruzr | imo this program is cooler than the one for Familiar |
| 00:36.08 | treke|home | which program? |
| 00:37.00 | StarKruzr | aqpkg |
| 00:37.08 | StarKruzr | there is something that just says "Software" for Familiar |
| 00:37.08 | treke|home | aqpkg runs on familiar |
| 00:37.16 | StarKruzr | oh? |
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| 00:37.23 | mchang | hey all |
| 00:37.23 | treke|home | familiar is just a distribution |
| 00:37.27 | StarKruzr | I guess I didn't know what it was |
| 00:37.31 | treke|home | opie on familiar uses aqpkg |
| 00:37.43 | mchang | is it possible to sync with intellisync over wlan? |
| 00:37.58 | treke|home | maybe if you used some ancient version of opie it didnt have aqpkg, but the same is true for an ancient openzaurus |
| 00:38.14 | StarKruzr | I don't think opie-confedit actually exists in unstable |
| 00:38.25 | StarKruzr | yep |
| 00:38.29 | StarKruzr | failed to download |
| 00:39.11 | treke|home | confedit is in unstable |
| 00:39.17 | StarKruzr | Failed to link /mnt/ram/. to /. |
| 00:39.21 | StarKruzr | odd |
| 00:39.24 | treke|home | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/opie-confedit_0.9.3-20030328-1_arm.ipk |
| 00:39.50 | StarKruzr | yeah, it just tried to get 20030327 |
| 00:39.57 | StarKruzr | and I just updated |
| 00:40.17 | treke|home | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/opie-confedit_0.9.3-20030327_arm.ipk |
| 00:41.21 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 00:41.29 | StarKruzr | I think I am having intermittent DNS problems |
| 00:41.44 | StarKruzr | I hope none of these are dependencies that it's failing on |
| 00:42.25 | StarKruzr | ohhhh I get it now |
| 00:42.31 | StarKruzr | no wonder "root" was so big on my iPaq |
| 00:42.41 | StarKruzr | there was probably about 10MB available there |
| 00:42.45 | nagROM | has flash made it to the zaurus yet? |
| 00:42.50 | kergoth`bbl | unstable needs its Packages file updated |
| 00:42.54 | StarKruzr | ah |
| 00:42.59 | StarKruzr | thank you, kergoth |
| 00:43.04 | StarKruzr | I may be insane, but at least I'm not delusional. Or something. |
| 00:43.08 | kergoth`bbl | bipolar last updated it, and its not g+w |
| 00:43.11 | kergoth`bbl | :\ |
| 00:43.26 | StarKruzr | g+w? |
| 00:44.09 | kergoth`bbl | as in, chmod g+w blah |
| 00:44.18 | StarKruzr | ah |
| 00:44.32 | kergoth`bbl | its not group writable, i cant update it |
| 00:44.32 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 00:44.43 | StarKruzr | kergoth: any idea why I keep getting "Failed to link /mnt/ram/. to /." errors while installing all these packages? |
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| 00:44.52 | kergoth | StarKruzr: harmless |
| 00:45.01 | StarKruzr | thanks |
| 00:45.08 | StarKruzr | eee, 13MB left |
| 00:45.08 | kergoth | because its trying to link every file it says it owns, including directories |
| 00:45.19 | kergoth | it doesnt check if the file/dir already exists before trying to link |
| 00:45.30 | kergoth | hence the error |
| 00:45.55 | kergoth | uh |
| 00:45.55 | sheenmaster | 3.2 is booting for the first time on my Z |
| 00:45.59 | kergoth | link failure is not package install failure. |
| 00:46.03 | StarKruzr | no, I know |
| 00:46.08 | StarKruzr | But a few packages I tried to install before failed. |
| 00:46.12 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:46.20 | sheenmaster | is there a mailing list that just contains new release announcement? |
| 00:46.25 | StarKruzr | probably related to what you said before, "unstable needs its Packages file updated |
| 00:46.25 | StarKruzr | " |
| 00:46.56 | JasonNJ | anyone wanna take bets on sharp this upcoming week? |
| 00:47.11 | treke|home | 200 bucks says ben gets fired |
| 00:47.16 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:47.21 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 00:47.21 | StarKruzr | Jason: wrt what? |
| 00:47.25 | JasonNJ | we know the outcome of that |
| 00:47.32 | JasonNJ | I give it a 70 percent chance the entire division is canned |
| 00:47.35 | treke|home | why else would I bet on it :) |
| 00:48.11 | treke|home | but heavily cut down I'd buy |
| 00:48.14 | JasonNJ | yeah probably just 90 percent of it |
| 00:48.24 | JasonNJ | I am sure they will leave at least 3 people |
| 00:48.45 | StarKruzr | pretty |
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| 00:48.48 | treke|home | isnt the 5600 supposed to be released next week? |
| 00:48.55 | JasonNJ | its already been released |
| 00:49.06 | JasonNJ | but there are only 2000 of them in existence |
| 00:49.20 | JasonNJ | they are already working on the next unit, which might not go into production |
| 00:49.23 | ljp | heh |
| 00:49.47 | ljp | they are vercelling it? ;) |
| 00:50.03 | treke|home | so, hows it doing in japan? |
| 00:50.29 | StarKruzr | holy crap |
| 00:50.33 | StarKruzr | sync works perfectly |
| 00:55.29 | treke|home | kergoth: so in theory, apm events should work now |
| 00:55.51 | kergoth | hey, spiffy |
| 00:56.12 | treke|home | pm_helper does almost excatly what apm-proxy does |
| 00:56.26 | treke|home | so i changed the path to pm_helper to point to apm-proxy for now |
| 00:57.24 | JasonNJ | treke: not doing great in japan either |
| 00:57.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:57.48 | StarKruzr | hm... why does Qtopia Desktop seem to think I have 0 free space and doesn't ask me where I want to put files? |
| 00:57.51 | treke|home | kergoth: actually I'd say pm_helper and apmd_proxy do exactly the same thing |
| 00:57.58 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah, difference is who's calling it |
| 00:58.15 | treke|home | when time presents itself I'll try fixing it properly |
| 00:58.32 | StarKruzr | (when uploading?) |
| 00:58.50 | treke|home | do you have any free space? |
| 00:59.04 | StarKruzr | plenty |
| 00:59.08 | treke|home | how much |
| 00:59.14 | StarKruzr | 13MB on ram and 128MB on a CF card |
| 00:59.19 | kergoth | harlekin mentioned that may be a bug |
| 00:59.24 | treke|home | how much on Root? |
| 00:59.34 | StarKruzr | ~3MB. |
| 00:59.43 | StarKruzr | not looking to put anything there, though. |
| 01:00.09 | StarKruzr | nm, actually 1.1MB on root |
| 01:00.12 | StarKruzr | not that that should matter |
| 01:00.15 | kergoth | someone should really get a pcap dump of the usb networking traffic when qtopia desktop does its thin |
| 01:00.19 | kergoth | g |
| 01:00.34 | StarKruzr | well, in the meantime, how can I get files over there fast? |
| 01:00.37 | treke|home | someone really should delete all copies of the source and binaries for qtopia desktop |
| 01:00.45 | kergoth | StarKruzr: ftp to port 4242, or use scp |
| 01:00.57 | StarKruzr | ahhh |
| 01:00.59 | StarKruzr | that's the reason |
| 01:02.09 | StarKruzr | what is my root pw? |
| 01:02.23 | treke|home | try rootme |
| 01:02.45 | treke|home | or qtopia |
| 01:03.50 | treke|home | Qtopia or rootme will both work |
| 01:04.31 | StarKruzr | (I am on OZ3.2) |
| 01:04.44 | treke|home | qtopia or rootme are the passwords |
| 01:05.15 | StarKruzr | ok |
| 01:05.46 | _Psycho | kergoth how goes the hacking thingie ? saw earlier that opie laucher was freezing or something |
| 01:05.50 | treke|home | kergoth: I keep forgetting I can flash over cf :) |
| 01:07.39 | StarKruzr | btw, despite what Qtopia Desktop says, are ' or () illegal filename characters? |
| 01:08.15 | treke|home | in qtopia desktop they probably are |
| 01:08.22 | treke|home | in linux they arent |
| 01:09.06 | StarKruzr | k |
| 01:11.12 | mewyn | g \ |
| 01:12.22 | StarKruzr | egad |
| 01:12.41 | sheenmaster | is the testing feed for 3.2 or 3.1rc3.1? |
| 01:15.41 | beattie | doing buildroot Connecting to ftp.debian.org[208.185.25.38]:21... connected. |
| 01:15.44 | beattie | Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! |
| 01:15.44 | beattie | ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. |
| 01:15.44 | beattie | ==> TYPE I ... done. ==> CWD /debian/pool/main/o/openssl ... done. |
| 01:15.44 | beattie | ==> PASV ... done. ==> RETR openssl_0.9.6g.orig.tar.gz ... |
| 01:15.44 | beattie | No such file `openssl_0.9.6g.orig.tar.gz'. |
| 01:15.44 | beattie | "make " |
| 01:17.16 | mchang | anyone syncing intellisync wirelessly? |
| 01:17.53 | mchang | intellisync won't let me put in an IP with the same subnet as the winbloze machine |
| 01:20.39 | mchang | okay, on another topic - anyone have a suggestion for a good email (with imap) client? |
| 01:23.01 | treke|home | ok so that was more than I could hope |
| 01:26.10 | mchang | treke|home: ? |
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| 01:42.28 | ccamp | mchang : tkcmail |
| 01:42.36 | mchang | ccamp: tnx |
| 01:48.34 | kennyj | seen docwhat? |
| 01:48.43 | kennyj | ibot: seen docwhat? |
| 01:48.44 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 7d 20h 49m 51s ago, saying: 'chouimat|away: You don't say.'. |
| 01:48.44 | kennyj | grrrr |
| 01:48.49 | kennyj | ~seen docwhat? |
| 01:48.49 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 7d 20h 49m 56s ago, saying: 'chouimat|away: You don't say.'. |
| 01:49.26 | kennyj | damn... they tell me to look out for him so I can ask about the vim packages, but he seems to have vanished from known civilization... |
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| 01:54.24 | mchang | I didn't find the smb stuff in the feed... is it not in the official feed? |
| 01:55.36 | mchang | nevermind |
| 01:57.18 | kergoth | sheenmaster: neither. testing is testing, unversioned |
| 01:58.44 | chouimat | kergoth: anything new on the OE front? |
| 01:59.47 | kergoth | havent had a chance to review the existing oe code or schedule a new meeting, what with the 3.2 release and all |
| 02:00.06 | chouimat | kergoth: ok |
| 02:00.22 | chouimat | brb alias on tv |
| 02:05.13 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: sweet |
| 02:05.18 | treke|home | it looks like it works |
| 02:18.44 | |ryan| | Anyone know where ths stuff mentioned on http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=103? |
| 02:19.33 | treke|home | the feed |
| 02:19.48 | |ryan| | I didn't see it in the feed |
| 02:20.08 | treke|home | it may have been removed and replaced with opieplayer2 |
| 02:20.54 | |ryan| | I have opie-mediaplayer2 installed, and it's not workih with mp3s |
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| 02:27.53 | gecko_x2 | hmm 3.2 is released.. is it possible to upgrade without having to reinstall all apps? |
| 02:28.33 | treke|home | gecko_x2: dont think so |
| 02:28.59 | gecko_x2 | joder! (damn) |
| 02:29.41 | gecko_x2 | :P |
| 02:29.46 | gecko_x2 | oh well |
| 02:30.18 | gecko_x2 | seems to be wise to keep ipk's of all installed apps in a dir.. |
| 02:30.46 | gecko_x2 | since oz is updated pretty often |
| 02:31.16 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 02:31.46 | treke|home | this isnt going to work |
| 02:34.10 | Freddie | sorry treke |
| 02:34.28 | Freddie | do you have it formatted as ext2/3, or is it fat/vfat? |
| 02:34.32 | treke|home | vfat |
| 02:34.35 | Freddie | ok |
| 02:34.35 | treke|home | or fat |
| 02:34.36 | Freddie | :( |
| 02:34.37 | treke|home | one of the two |
| 02:34.55 | Freddie | I cannot seem to get my ipaq to mount an ext2/3 formatted mmc |
| 02:35.02 | Freddie | hotplug is kindof funkified methinks |
| 02:35.06 | treke|home | probaly not partitioned properly |
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| 02:38.21 | treke|home | anyone here have a copy of the zaurus kernel tree on hand? |
| 02:40.19 | |ryan| | Freddie: did format a partition ext2 or the whole thing? |
| 02:40.40 | Freddie | ryan: Well, what I did was "mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmc/part1" |
| 02:40.52 | |ryan| | ah. |
| 02:40.55 | Freddie | what I did just a second ago now is I used fdisk to remove the existing partition |
| 02:40.58 | Freddie | added a new one |
| 02:41.07 | Freddie | set it to type 83 (Linux) |
| 02:41.11 | Freddie | an did the same command |
| 02:41.14 | |ryan| | Mine is formatted ext2 which works fine |
| 02:41.21 | Freddie | of course, now I need to wait the 9.5 years for it to format |
| 02:41.36 | treke|home | |ryan|: yes but you are using a zaurus |
| 02:41.37 | Freddie | ext3 -*IS*- ext2 |
| 02:41.42 | Freddie | it just has a journal |
| 02:41.51 | Freddie | yeah, ext3 works perfect on my Z |
| 02:41.52 | |ryan| | Freddie: i know. |
| 02:42.23 | |ryan| | oh, ipaq. |
| 02:42.31 | |ryan| | sorry |
| 02:42.40 | Freddie | I originally asked Treke privately because it is sortof off topic for this channel |
| 02:42.45 | Freddie | but he wanted to talk publicly |
| 02:42.49 | Freddie | which is fine of course |
| 02:42.49 | Freddie | :) |
| 02:42.55 | |ryan| | heh |
| 02:42.59 | treke|home | its completly on topic for this channel |
| 02:43.07 | treke|home | its way more on topic than most conversation |
| 02:44.03 | Freddie | heh |
| 02:44.05 | Freddie | ok |
| 02:44.09 | Freddie | well, I will remember that |
| 02:44.11 | Freddie | :) |
| 02:44.21 | Freddie | regardless |
| 02:44.25 | Freddie | I am reformatting right now |
| 02:44.53 | Freddie | treke, I had all kinds of trouble installing things to my MMC when it was formatted vfat in the past because it didn't support linking |
| 02:45.02 | treke|home | right |
| 02:45.04 | treke|home | it doesnt |
| 02:45.05 | mchang | treke same here |
| 02:45.23 | Freddie | so that is why I formatted my SD to be ext2 on my Zaurus |
| 02:45.25 | treke|home | if you want to install to mmc you have to use ext2 |
| 02:45.30 | Freddie | but I can't use the SD on my iPAQ |
| 02:45.36 | treke|home | right |
| 02:45.44 | Freddie | so I have this dinky 64MB MMC |
| 02:45.58 | Freddie | it is seen fine if I format it vfat |
| 02:46.14 | TheMasterMind1 | you could use minix |
| 02:46.14 | treke|home | right, set the partition type to ext2 |
| 02:46.16 | Freddie | but I am having a hell of a time getting ext2/3 to be visible |
| 02:46.18 | Freddie | I did |
| 02:46.34 | Freddie | also editted the hotplug/*mmc* file |
| 02:46.35 | mchang | Freddie: what command line did you use to format? |
| 02:46.41 | Freddie | and the sysconfig/* file as well |
| 02:46.47 | Freddie | (forget their exact names at the moment) |
| 02:46.52 | treke|home | sysconfig isnt used |
| 02:46.55 | treke|home | as far as I know |
| 02:46.57 | Freddie | they both set the mount options as vfat |
| 02:47.03 | Freddie | so I changed them to ext3 |
| 02:47.05 | Freddie | and then also to ext2 |
| 02:47.07 | Freddie | tried both |
| 02:47.20 | Freddie | mchang: I use: "mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmc/part1" |
| 02:47.37 | treke|home | Freddie: did you use fdisk to set the partition type? |
| 02:47.45 | Freddie | treke: I sure did |
| 02:47.49 | Freddie | fdisk |
| 02:47.49 | Freddie | t |
| 02:47.50 | Freddie | 1 |
| 02:47.53 | Freddie | 83 |
| 02:47.54 | Freddie | :) |
| 02:48.03 | treke|home | dunno. I'll try it when I get a chance |
| 02:48.05 | Freddie | oh, w |
| 02:48.14 | treke|home | you did use "w", right? |
| 02:48.23 | Freddie | heh, read above |
| 02:48.33 | Freddie | "oh, w" |
| 02:48.39 | treke|home | try w :) |
| 02:48.44 | Freddie | I did w |
| 02:48.48 | treke|home | oh ok |
| 02:48.55 | treke|home | then I'll get to it once I deal with apm |
| 02:49.17 | Freddie | and when I ran fdisk after exiting, it correctly showed it as type 83 |
| 02:49.26 | Freddie | treke: It is absolutely NOTHING wrong with your build |
| 02:49.42 | Freddie | I have tried march 3, march 27, familiar 0.6.1, and familiar 0.7 |
| 02:49.45 | Freddie | they all do the same thing |
| 02:49.48 | Freddie | so it is nothing you did at all |
| 02:50.14 | Freddie | intimate still exists?!?!? |
| 02:50.19 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:50.21 | Freddie | I thought it had been utterly abandoned |
| 02:51.46 | mchang | Freddie: i had used mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 at some point |
| 02:51.47 | mchang | worked |
| 02:52.08 | treke|home | mchang: this is an ipaq |
| 02:52.17 | mchang | treke|home: ah.... oops |
| 02:53.55 | treke|home | mmc on the ipaq handled differently |
| 03:04.02 | Freddie | it takes FOREVER to format MMC on the iPAQ |
| 03:04.03 | Freddie | lordy |
| 03:04.11 | Freddie | except for on familiar 0.7 |
| 03:04.15 | Freddie | that formats like you would expect |
| 03:04.21 | Freddie | must have a newer module or something |
| 03:04.34 | treke|home | we use the same kernel |
| 03:04.56 | Freddie | as 0.7? |
| 03:05.06 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:05.09 | Freddie | ok |
| 03:05.19 | Freddie | well, I tried formatting in 0.6.1 and 0.7 |
| 03:05.25 | Freddie | haven't tried yours yet |
| 03:05.33 | Freddie | and as luck would have it, I am in 0.6.1 right now |
| 03:05.59 | Freddie | (I have /tmp loaded with what I want to put on the MMC card once it is formatted or I would have switched to 0.7 or your image first) |
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| 03:18.42 | prox | Hey, anyone know why a number of packages are missing from OZ 3.2 that were in 3.0? (tcpdump, nmap, etc) |
| 03:22.24 | treke|home | they dont compile |
| 03:23.58 | _Psycho | ibot oz bk |
| 03:23.59 | | oz bk is probably bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 03:38.58 | StarKruzr | I wonder who uses Intimate |
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| 04:15.17 | NetNut404_PDA | how do you setp serial ppp on the Z? |
| 04:15.53 | treke|home | NetNut404_PDA: I'd recommend reading the faq |
| 04:20.09 | StarKruzr | hey ladies and gents, anyone know what the frontend is for kismet? |
| 04:21.40 | StarKruzr | on Familiar it was kismet_qt |
| 04:22.02 | StarKruzr | but that doesn't seem to exist in the aqpkg list |
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| 04:29.06 | StarKruzr | also, is there an open source application for the Z that works with AIM? |
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| 04:33.39 | james_lan-me | anyone tried one of these?: http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html |
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| 04:36.53 | Bala | james_lan-me: afaik there is no linux driver |
| 04:37.28 | StarKruzr | but it would be tremendously fun if there was |
| 04:37.57 | Bala | indeed.. i will write one if someone sends me a card :) |
| 04:40.11 | james_lan-me | shouldn't it just use uhci or ohci? |
| 04:40.54 | james_lan-me | I mean pcmcia cards work afaik, and unless they do something completely wierd, shouldn't it work the same way? |
| 04:41.21 | james_lan-me | or am I missing something? |
| 04:41.27 | Bala | thats like saying just cause PCI cards work your sound card is supported. |
| 04:43.49 | Bala | if they fully implemented the uhci or ohci spec.. then maybe.. but its hard to tell without ever seeing one.. and the documentation on their site is sparse.. they have linux drivers for other cards so perhaps if someone asked them nicely :) |
| 04:43.49 | james_lan-me | correct me if i am wrong: usb has 3 standard interfaces to the card (uhci, ohci and ehci (2.0, sp)) that should work for any driver supporting that (in linux there is at least one for each) and the pcmcia->usb cards work and as 50-pin pcmcia=cf, should they not work. |
| 04:44.57 | Bala | i guess one could try using a stock linux uhci/ohci kernel module with it.. |
| 04:45.15 | james_lan-me | if they had 150$ to spare, though... |
| 04:45.50 | Bala | i'll try to find a legitimate use for one at work.. so they shell out for one :) |
| 04:46.27 | TheMasterMind1 | http://command.com/ |
| 04:46.39 | james_lan-me | does anyone know of a real (not just memory cards) cf and/or pcmcia usb adapter (as in a usb->pcmcia bridge?) |
| 04:46.48 | TheMasterMind1 | http://command.com |
| 04:46.50 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 04:46.58 | james_lan-me | heh |
| 04:47.44 | james_lan-me | did it just change that to a url, or did you type in the http://command.com (or is that kopete being 'nice') |
| 04:49.26 | TheMasterMind1 | its a url |
| 04:49.28 | TheMasterMind1 | i typed it in |
| 04:50.27 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 04:50.33 | JasonNJ | thats funny |
| 04:51.08 | chouimat|Zzzzz | TheMasterMind1: why do you bring me memories of that powerful OS?? |
| 04:52.07 | StarKruzr | dammit |
| 04:52.16 | StarKruzr | Slashdot keeps freezing or crashing Konq |
| 04:52.28 | StarKruzr | (on my Z, obviously) |
| 04:54.31 | JasonNJ | geez why waste a perfectly good domain on a joke like that |
| 04:54.55 | james_lan-me | lol |
| 04:55.18 | chouimat|Zzzzz | hmmmmm tomorrow is my sixth lessons of finnish .... |
| 04:55.21 | james_lan-me | alright, chuckling out loud. |
| 04:55.33 | james_lan-me | sounds fun, working on japanese right now |
| 04:55.39 | JasonNJ | chouimat: why learn a totally useless language like that? |
| 04:55.50 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: why not |
| 04:56.07 | JasonNJ | because, how many finnish chicks are you gonna run to in quebec? |
| 04:56.20 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: because uni in finland is 62Euro/year :) |
| 04:56.21 | JasonNJ | er, into |
| 04:56.28 | james_lan-me | heh |
| 04:56.36 | JasonNJ | you want to go to school in finland? |
| 04:56.45 | JasonNJ | theres freaking NOTHING in finland. |
| 04:56.48 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: maybe or in germany ... |
| 04:56.52 | JasonNJ | why the hell do you think Linus left? |
| 04:57.12 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: :) |
| 04:57.14 | JasonNJ | germany ok |
| 04:57.31 | StarKruzr | Germany is awesome |
| 04:57.50 | james_lan-me | planning on going to germany this summer |
| 04:57.51 | JasonNJ | well, I think they suck right about now, but yeah, its a fun country to hang out in. |
| 04:57.56 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: I know someone from finland so I payy him to teach me the basic while he's here ... |
| 04:58.20 | StarKruzr | Germany has the best beer EVER |
| 04:58.34 | JasonNJ | well, they have good beer, but their wine is better. |
| 04:58.42 | StarKruzr | German wine? |
| 04:58.50 | JasonNJ | I prefer the bohemian region of czechoslovakia for beer. |
| 04:58.59 | james_lan-me | btw, anyone know about cell phones in europe (mostly germany) |
| 04:59.01 | JasonNJ | yes, german wine |
| 04:59.30 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: I prefer the one that is brewing in my closet |
| 04:59.37 | JasonNJ | belgian beer is good too |
| 04:59.44 | StarKruzr | Pilsner Urquell = floor polish |
| 04:59.57 | StarKruzr | Belgian beer is fantastic, though |
| 05:00.09 | JasonNJ | try Budweiser Budvar from czech |
| 05:00.16 | JasonNJ | also marketed as Czechvar in the US |
| 05:00.35 | chouimat|Zzzzz | JasonNJ: yeah! the american one is cat piss |
| 05:00.40 | JasonNJ | budweiser budvar is the original |
| 05:00.59 | StarKruzr | from the town of Budvar |
| 05:01.12 | JasonNJ | budjovice |
| 05:01.14 | StarKruzr | they have really really good dark beers there |
| 05:01.59 | StarKruzr | Young's Double Chocolate is incredible |
| 05:02.20 | chouimat|Zzzzz | StarKruzr: yup when I can find it :( |
| 05:02.27 | JasonNJ | brooklyn brewery makes a killer dark chocolate stout also |
| 05:02.40 | JasonNJ | its a russian imperial type stout |
| 05:02.41 | StarKruzr | oh my, yes they do |
| 05:02.58 | JasonNJ | I have a few bottles of that in my fridge |
| 05:02.59 | chouimat|Zzzzz | last year my brother made a very good ginger beear |
| 05:03.18 | JasonNJ | star: yep, I live in NJ |
| 05:03.23 | JasonNJ | home of the zaurus |
| 05:03.30 | StarKruzr | heh, how's that? |
| 05:03.38 | JasonNJ | corporate offices in mahwah |
| 05:03.43 | JasonNJ | I used to work there |
| 05:03.46 | StarKruzr | Wow, no kidding?! |
| 05:04.02 | ||ugh | NJ is the home of the Z? What? Then why can't I get one in Cranberry with a nice petro smell? |
| 05:04.05 | chouimat|Zzzzz | wooohoooo the snow stopped |
| 05:04.05 | StarKruzr | exit... 15? ;) |
| 05:04.13 | JasonNJ | yeah I was developer lead on the Zaurus |
| 05:04.20 | StarKruzr | ... whoa |
| 05:04.23 | StarKruzr | why "was?" |
| 05:04.26 | treke|home | way to fucking suck ipkg |
| 05:04.27 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 05:04.35 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: it loves you too |
| 05:04.37 | JasonNJ | star: would take me too long to explain |
| 05:04.48 | JasonNJ | but suffice to say, sharp is on its way out |
| 05:04.48 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: |
| 05:04.54 | JasonNJ | they are letting a lot of people go |
| 05:05.00 | treke|home | # ipkg install ./opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.3-20030328-1_arm.ipk |
| 05:05.00 | StarKruzr | wow |
| 05:05.01 | treke|home | Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600/ipks/./opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.3-20030329-1_arm.ipk |
| 05:05.03 | james_lan-me | ipkg is fun, no? |
| 05:05.04 | JasonNJ | tomorrow all hell breaks loose |
| 05:05.07 | StarKruzr | that sucks pretty effing hard |
| 05:05.08 | ||ugh | From not so SHARP moves... |
| 05:05.11 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: haha. don't do the ./ then |
| 05:05.14 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: its supposed to be installing a fricken local file |
| 05:05.20 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: it does it without the ./ also |
| 05:05.21 | chouimat|Zzzzz | treke|home: the way ipkg work now in 3 days it will be better than my ex-wife at that :) |
| 05:05.28 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: oh, then you have an old version |
| 05:05.36 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: old cvs build or something |
| 05:05.48 | TheMasterMind1 | the one in stable works with local files |
| 05:05.53 | james_lan-me | really wish sharp seemed more committed to the Z outside of Japan. |
| 05:05.57 | treke|home | chouimat|Zzzzz: I dunno there. Send me a phone number and I'll report back |
| 05:06.16 | StarKruzr | who's gonna be around building Linux on PDAs without Sharp? :( |
| 05:06.23 | TheMasterMind1 | IBM |
| 05:06.24 | chouimat|Zzzzz | treke|home: hehe ... I will try to send that info but I don;t have it .... |
| 05:06.46 | james_lan-me | agenda, ibm, compaq(unofficially until the contract with M$ is up) |
| 05:07.09 | james_lan-me | agenda=softfield technologies now. |
| 05:07.20 | chouimat|Zzzzz | treke|home: lol |
| 05:07.24 | StarKruzr | Master: They don't seem interested in building anything other than a reference platform |
| 05:08.20 | james_lan-me | don't be too sure. IBM and sharp were talking about an 'enterprise' PDA like the Z, and it looks like IBM's design is the first step towards it. |
| 05:08.32 | StarKruzr | and now Sharp is dropping out |
| 05:09.13 | james_lan-me | i'm not so sure of that, as much as concentraiting on Japan, where their main base is. |
| 05:09.19 | StarKruzr | Compaq will not be weaning itself off the M$ teat for embedded systems |
| 05:09.39 | james_lan-me | who funds handhelds.org ? |
| 05:09.44 | treke|home | CRL |
| 05:09.58 | StarKruzr | ... CRL actually gives them MONEY? |
| 05:10.12 | treke|home | CRL is handhelds.org to a large extent |
| 05:10.20 | treke|home | they host the machines |
| 05:11.01 | StarKruzr | ... that is the coolest news I have heard in quite a while |
| 05:11.03 | treke|home | and HP pays them |
| 05:11.19 | StarKruzr | heh, who pays the OZ developers? |
| 05:11.23 | james_lan-me | :) and if you screw up a ipaq installing linux, you should be able to send it back for repair for free. (only heard this from one (pretty reliable) source.) |
| 05:11.25 | treke|home | Digi |
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| 05:11.32 | treke|home | james_lan-me: yes you can |
| 05:11.41 | treke|home | but its very very rare to make that mistake these days |
| 05:12.00 | StarKruzr | "Digi?" |
| 05:12.13 | treke|home | StarKruzr: They make serial hardware |
| 05:12.14 | james_lan-me | yeah, hadn't heard about it being used, and figured there might be a reason :) |
| 05:12.19 | treke|home | they pay kergoth to do tech support |
| 05:12.46 | StarKruzr | no foolin'? |
| 05:13.12 | treke|home | no fooling. Kergoth does serial device tech support |
| 05:14.13 | treke|home | " |
| 05:14.13 | treke|home | Compaq Research will ensure that you do not permanently turn your iPAQ into a paperweight, but it is very inconvenient for all of us if we have to fix a unit that was rendered nonbooting by a failed installation (or WinCE restoration). |
| 05:14.27 | treke|home | they both have their upsides |
| 05:15.16 | StarKruzr | maybe |
| 05:15.37 | StarKruzr | but the handwriting rec in Familiar is kind of hard to use |
| 05:15.47 | StarKruzr | and the package management seemed a little broken |
| 05:16.01 | treke|home | StarKruzr: If you choose to use X its different |
| 05:16.07 | StarKruzr | ? |
| 05:16.09 | treke|home | StarKruzr: if you choose to use OPIE its identical |
| 05:16.11 | StarKruzr | I was on Opie |
| 05:16.18 | StarKruzr | didn't seem identical to me |
| 05:16.20 | treke|home | Then its *identical* |
| 05:16.45 | StarKruzr | iow Familiar and OZ use the same copy of Opie at all times? |
| 05:16.49 | chouimat|Zzzzz | qtopia-commercial-sdk-1.6.0-snapshot-20030330.tar.bz2 |
| 05:16.54 | treke|home | No. not at all times |
| 05:17.00 | treke|home | But there arent meaningful differences |
| 05:17.10 | StarKruzr | ok |
| 05:17.15 | treke|home | libopie and qt-embedded differ |
| 05:17.29 | StarKruzr | I see |
| 05:17.30 | treke|home | Because there are hardware differences. Those arent visible to the user |
| 05:17.34 | StarKruzr | yeah |
| 05:17.45 | StarKruzr | wireless networking never worked on the iPaq |
| 05:17.57 | StarKruzr | which has nothing to do with qt |
| 05:18.07 | StarKruzr | so I dunno |
| 05:18.08 | treke|home | could be. It's worked for me |
| 05:19.14 | james_lan-me | frankly part of the thing is that right now, the Z is essentially one device with 2 different amounts of RAM (32=5000D, 64=5500x) so everything hardware wise is the same on all Zs. |
| 05:19.49 | treke|home | unless you take into account the a300 and c700 and b500/5600 |
| 05:21.33 | james_lan-me | treke, true |
| 05:24.14 | james_lan-me | but essentially most OZ users are all non-japanese models atm, and those are 'experemental' so all of the stable stuff is in the one model (which won't change much, except for a faster processor as I understand it with the 5600 (but the c700 has a lot of changes, but isn't a big thing yet.)) |
| 05:24.37 | treke|home | right |
| 05:25.31 | treke|home | of course, the ipaqs are all more or less the same also :) 64 megs vs 32 megs. Except for the more experimental models |
| 05:31.47 | StarKruzr | 3900 still doesn't work last I heard |
| 05:31.49 | StarKruzr | and the new ones either |
| 05:33.29 | treke|home | 3900 works |
| 05:33.33 | treke|home | 5400 doesnt yet |
| 05:34.01 | StarKruzr | or 1900 |
| 05:34.16 | treke|home | right |
| 05:34.20 | StarKruzr | I wish HPaq would get over their "SD-only" kick |
| 05:34.51 | StarKruzr | I just don't think it's possible to squeeze peripherals cheaply into a form factor much smaller than, say, a Sony Memory Stick |
| 05:34.55 | treke|home | SD-only kick? |
| 05:34.58 | StarKruzr | not yet anyway |
| 05:35.01 | StarKruzr | yes |
| 05:35.11 | StarKruzr | as in "we only put SD on our PDAs out of the box" |
| 05:35.31 | StarKruzr | erm |
| 05:35.33 | StarKruzr | why? |
| 05:35.50 | treke|home | I like the flexibility |
| 05:36.23 | StarKruzr | of incredibly overpriced sleeves that add huge amounts of bulk to the device? |
| 05:37.28 | treke|home | I wouldnt call them all over priced. Nor that much bulk |
| 05:38.26 | treke|home | I do have the advantage of being able to substitute a larger battery when size isnt a concern, while still keeping the device small when I'm using it simply as a pda |
| 05:38.41 | treke|home | same with the network card and storage card |
| 05:41.36 | chouimat|Zzzzz | nite |
| 05:42.43 | treke|home | night chouimat|Zzzzz |
| 05:44.00 | treke|home | but thats just my take on the peripheral issue |
| 05:44.20 | treke|home | toshiba managed to make a pda that I wouldnt mind without the expansion options as much |
| 05:52.06 | james_lan-me | the only pocketpc that has impressed me much at all is the e740 |
| 05:53.35 | james_lan-me | hardware wise that is. |
| 05:58.52 | treke|home | thats the one I was talking about :) |
| 05:58.54 | james_lan-me | for me the ability to expand is key. (hardware comparison, and what I use): IR (one wireless com (used to talk to palms), also usable for remotes( used ), or ir keyboard (have used) check) CF storage or net (check, used) sd storage (check, used) keyboard (check on Z,used very often) integrated 802.11b (check on e740) |
| 05:59.59 | james_lan-me | of course I could get a c700 for the price... (with the MAJOR plus of a larer display and keyboard, but the same drawback-802.11b takes up the cf when in use) |
| 06:00.59 | james_lan-me | on a price/features comparison PocketPC devices just don't stand up to the Z. (even tacking on the $60 for a cf 802.11b card) |
| 06:01.07 | treke|home | I consider being able to be on the network while using cf storage a big plus |
| 06:01.41 | treke|home | eh, the only feature the Z has that the others dont is the keyboard :) |
| 06:03.40 | james_lan-me | and that is a VERY big plus. (and the cheaper nature my Z was free (gift, but the price was $313 when a comparable PPC (e740) costs 600 even now. |
| 06:05.05 | james_lan-me | such as... |
| 06:05.33 | treke|home | The biggest being app support |
| 06:05.55 | treke|home | Not having a way to deal with varying amounts of memory is a downside |
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| 06:06.46 | treke|home | And most of the UI's I've seen lean towards being too heavy |
| 06:07.26 | treke|home | eving schurig |
| 06:07.55 | schurig | Morning! (it's 08:08 in the morning here) |
| 06:08.07 | treke|home | hehe |
| 06:08.08 | james_lan-me | there could be the arguement that most Z users don't use it as a PDA but a portable computer (why do you think mplayer got ported to it initilly?) |
| 06:09.15 | james_lan-me | might be possible to dynamically alocate ram, except I can't find a way to limit a ramfs' size.(and wouldn't survive over crashes) |
| 06:09.19 | treke|home | To watch video on it |
| 06:10.03 | treke|home | limiting ramfs isnt too tough. Its a nonvolitle method that seems like it would be a problem |
| 06:10.25 | james_lan-me | Well really because I thought it could. :) |
| 06:11.05 | james_lan-me | did you ever look at the agenda's fltk? |
| 06:11.08 | treke|home | yes |
| 06:11.15 | treke|home | I used the agenda apps for quite a while |
| 06:12.01 | treke|home | although I dont think agenda wrote fltk :) |
| 06:12.49 | james_lan-me | that was pretty efficient (and a good example to bring up to the X-is-slow people) (ok:fltk-on-agenda, happy?) |
| 06:13.17 | treke|home | X is slow, but not as bad as people make out :) |
| 06:13.38 | treke|home | It can be plenty usable on a pda |
| 06:14.09 | james_lan-me | agenda kind of got caught between palm and pocket pc in power and price, and had no expandability except serial, and I think that is the reason it didn't do too well. |
| 06:15.02 | james_lan-me | Psion and symbian (sp?) have the same problem. |
| 06:15.12 | treke|home | yup |
| 06:15.37 | treke|home | on the Zaurus you basically have two sources for applications |
| 06:15.43 | treke|home | OPIE and Thekompany. |
| 06:16.22 | treke|home | OPIE doesnt move as quickly as many people would like, and with tkc your more or less limited to however long they think its worth spending the money supporting the device |
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| 06:16.58 | james_lan-me | I wouldn't consider the Z to have a lack of apps issue really. (commercial apps maybe, but most PPC programs have open-source counterparts, and there is a lot of duplication (at least 8 seperate remote-control commercial programs)) |
| 06:18.04 | treke|home | there are also many apps that just arent available |
| 06:18.18 | treke|home | take an IMAP mail client, or an offline news reader |
| 06:18.36 | james_lan-me | tkc doesn't seem to impress me, but I haven't used them (mostly because what I have seen didn't impress me ... recursive loop, I know) |
| 06:18.47 | treke|home | the two imap mail clients I've seen choke horribly |
| 06:18.52 | treke|home | and there is no news reader |
| 06:19.03 | treke|home | tkc put together some decent apps |
| 06:19.37 | treke|home | The reasons I dont use them though are 1) I dont like the UIs for them 2) They are closed source |
| 06:20.54 | james_lan-me | hmm... I thought there was a news reader...somewhere on ZSI (or somewhere as I recall thinking that would be as much use as the one for the TI-89, not very (at least to me, as I have good wireless coverage)) |
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| 06:22.03 | treke|home | I looked just now. no news readers |
| 06:24.31 | james_lan-me | sorry, if I got your hopes up, maybe it was something else I thought wasn't much use. |
| 06:25.12 | treke|home | doesnt seem to be happening publically though |
| 06:26.24 | treke|home | getting locked into a closed source app is also a much bigger danger on something like the Z also, at least in my opinion |
| 06:27.03 | treke|home | Its much more likely the author will get frustrated and drop the product, and it needs some major compatibility breakage |
| 06:27.08 | james_lan-me | If someone trimed kde down, redid a lot of UI stuff, it would be nice-kparts and other stuff would allow easy embedding of say the todos in the calender and vice versa. (don't think it will happen though, way too much dedication needed for that) |
| 06:27.51 | james_lan-me | yeah, opera is nicer than konq though. (but the new small browser is promising) |
| 06:28.55 | treke|home | konq is in a bind |
| 06:29.32 | james_lan-me | well the problem is that konq is supposed to be a heck of a lot more than just a browser. |
| 06:29.42 | treke|home | the upstream work on it cant be folded back into the qtopia version |
| 06:30.10 | james_lan-me | and if someone took out just khtml and embedded that, it would be better off, I think. |
| 06:30.18 | james_lan-me | ewww, that's really bad. |
| 06:30.30 | treke|home | james_lan-me: thats basically what konq/e is. I think |
| 06:30.44 | treke|home | james_lan-me: All the konq work is done against KDE3/QT3 |
| 06:31.02 | james_lan-me | or even mozilla's renderer (and you are probably right about it being mostly that) |
| 06:31.30 | james_lan-me | and qtopia/opie is qt2 (owie) |
| 06:31.36 | treke|home | yup |
| 06:32.01 | treke|home | and opie cant switch without breaking compatibility. |
| 06:33.16 | james_lan-me | khtml isn't very qt-dependant (or shouldn't be) as a friend stuck it in an fltk app without having to include much at all (a slightly simplified khtml, as it was only for a help browser) |
| 06:36.45 | james_lan-me | talk to you later hopefully, this has been interesting and fairly insightful, but I need some sleep. I will ask him what he had to do to strip out just khtml, if I see him. |
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| 06:44.58 | kennyj|bbl | damn... anyone know where I can find some 36-bit EDO SIMMs? |
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| 06:45.36 | kennyj | I gotta resurrect an old DEC server for use as an Exchange server (gah) so I need memory for it... |
| 06:45.39 | treke|home | kennyj: dumpster |
| 06:45.54 | kennyj | >.< |
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| 06:49.33 | lsmith | go to a donation place where they pick up old computers and fix them up for kids |
| 06:49.46 | lsmith | i am sure they would be willing to sell you some :-) |
| 06:49.53 | kennyj | heh... I'll need a plane ticket. I live in a technological desert. :) |
| 06:50.39 | lsmith | did you try #edoram? ;-) |
| 06:50.44 | kennyj | Hell, the nearest computer store that isn't a radio shack is a CompUSA about half an hour from here. If that doesn't cut it... prepare to go twice the distance for the next one. |
| 06:50.54 | kennyj | yep |
| 06:51.49 | kennyj | my boss is smoking something... his knowledge of networking hardware and RF is damn impressive but he really needs a clue on computer hardware and software... |
| 06:52.13 | kennyj | he thinks that I'll have no trouble at all finding a way to upgrade this server - because DEC made it back when they were still their own company. |
| 06:52.21 | lsmith | sounds like you want to head on over to ebay |
| 06:52.25 | kennyj | This thing predates the Alpha line, even... |
| 06:52.31 | kennyj | feh, already been there. |
| 06:53.19 | kennyj | I found one pair of suitable EDO sticks... smaller than I'd like. Two 32M sticks, when at minimum I'll need four 32M sticks just to get something that can be passed off as mostly usable. |
| 06:54.23 | kennyj | Ah well, if I can't get the RAM, I might have an easier time talking him into letting me throw OpenBSD onto this bad boy. They'll just have to do without Outlook and Access integration. |
| 06:55.04 | kennyj | it DOES have 128M RAM... that ain't shit for an Exchange server but it'll handle qmail, apache, and samba just *fine*. :) |
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| 08:54.05 | schurig | mickeyl: moin! |
| 08:56.05 | mickeyl | morgen schurig |
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| 09:12.55 | mickeyl | schurig: what is the URL for bk clone for OE? Wanna try out what's there |
| 09:28.20 | schurig | mickeyl: it's documented in the Wiki on www.openembedded.org |
| 09:35.10 | mickeyl | k |
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| 09:43.51 | schurig | mickeyl: and, any questions? |
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| 09:46.09 | Cutt | all exited and now all rejoined... what's matter? |
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| 09:51.14 | schurig | mickeyl: you can probably improve my python code :-) |
| 09:51.43 | mickeyl | schurig: who knows.. :-D |
| 09:53.36 | schurig | mickeyl: basically, I read in the conf/oe.conf file into oe.env, then I read in the equivalent of packages/*/Makefile into oe.env. Just that the equivalent of them are named *.oe and have a different syntax. Once everything is in oe.env, I do some per-package or locally defined replacements and some checks on missing vars etc |
| 09:53.50 | schurig | mickeyl: then I create a shell script and source it possibly. |
| 09:54.40 | schurig | mickeyl: what is missing is some kind of inherit-common-methods mechanism. E.g. most apps that use libtool have a similar configure/make sequence, why should this be in all *.oe files ... |
| 09:55.11 | schurig | once that I can do ONE package, I'd go on with the dependency stuff. |
| 09:58.21 | mickeyl | schurig: sounds good. i will take a look when i got time. |
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| 12:07.31 | lsmith | hmm seems like mysql did not make it into this release :-/ |
| 12:10.49 | schurig | mickeyl: do you have any idea why we're using ts_read_raw() in QTSLibHandlerPrivate ? |
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| 12:19.42 | mickeyl | schurig: no idea - tslib is tronical and kergoths domain :D |
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| 12:21.23 | schurig | ok, another question: the ppp postinstall script needs "install". Do you know what package provides install? |
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| 13:48.25 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:11.47 | ljp | hi jason |
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| 14:13.20 | Piete | hey guys :) |
| 14:13.23 | Piete | whats new? |
| 14:15.01 | ljp | new day, here |
| 14:16.53 | Piete | heh.. I fell asleep at 5pm.. now its 11:15pm, and I just woke up. |
| 14:17.18 | Piete | there goes my sleeping schedule :) |
| 14:18.13 | ljp | you trying to be on US time? ;) |
| 14:18.23 | Piete | lol |
| 14:19.24 | Piete | OZ 3.2 is rocking.. |
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| 14:20.27 | Piete | It needs an applet that lets you choose whether to use the buzzer or headphones as audio out.. Right now I just use a script.. |
| 14:22.51 | Piete | anyways... I'm gonna read a book.. |
| 14:22.52 | Piete | later |
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| 14:56.56 | icefox | Moni!!! |
| 15:02.01 | bipolar | .. |
| 15:03.33 | bipolar | can anyone here fix a buildroot bug? |
| 15:05.07 | icefox | no! It is demon posessed! whahahat |
| 15:05.28 | bipolar | icefox: ? |
| 15:05.33 | icefox | last day at sharp |
| 15:05.40 | bipolar | icefox: ahh |
| 15:05.51 | bipolar | icefox: do you have another job lined up? |
| 15:06.13 | bipolar | icefox: can you leak SD code since you won't be there anymore anyway? :) |
| 15:06.14 | icefox | nope not yet |
| 15:06.37 | icefox | <cough>itechniclystillworkforsharprightnow<cough> nope |
| 15:06.55 | icefox | know any qt positions? |
| 15:06.58 | bipolar | heh |
| 15:08.04 | bipolar | man.... openssl is all fucked up |
| 15:08.31 | bipolar | friken debian people think that they can just change versions whenever they want to.... heh |
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| 15:10.23 | bipolar | wahhhh!!!! openssl is all fucked up! wahhhh!!!! |
| 15:14.45 | schurig | kergoth`bbl: ping |
| 15:15.42 | schurig | tronical: ping |
| 15:16.00 | tronical | schurig: pong |
| 15:16.11 | schurig | tronical: did you write QTSLibPrivateHandler? |
| 15:16.16 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 15:16.29 | schurig | I like to understand it, but don't really get it |
| 15:16.59 | bipolar | wow... that was some serious lag.... |
| 15:17.00 | tronical | schurig: I wrote a patch that added a class with that name, yes, not sure if it's still used tho :) |
| 15:17.01 | schurig | tronical: e.g. why do you add the sample in Qt, when tslib has dejitter etc |
| 15:17.45 | tronical | schurig: back when I played with tslib I didn't use tslib's dejitter |
| 15:17.55 | schurig | tronical: it's used in Zaurus QT |
| 15:18.06 | schurig | tronical: was dejitter / variance unusable? |
| 15:18.21 | tronical | schurig: I think I never tried it :) |
| 15:28.05 | beattie | ibot usbnet |
| 15:28.10 | | extra, extra, read all about it, usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/ |
| 15:28.49 | zecke | hi tronical |
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| 15:29.12 | bipolar | beattie: if you want to use usbnet for the zaurus, it's best to just get the latest 2.4.21-pre*. |
| 15:29.22 | bipolar | zecke: hello! |
| 15:29.24 | bipolar | zecke: how are you doing? |
| 15:29.35 | beattie | bipolar: I have that, I'm trying to get it working |
| 15:29.52 | bipolar | beattie: I have it working here. What do you need to know? |
| 15:29.55 | zecke | bipolar: that depends on the day. Changing from day to day |
| 15:30.33 | bipolar | zecke: I hope you improve. It's a lot more fun when you're here. :) |
| 15:31.13 | schurig | bipolar: or get usb from the usb-2.4 bitkeeper repository |
| 15:31.30 | beattie | bipolar: what do I do to bring the network up? I tried ifconfig eth1 inet 192.168.129.200 but could not ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:31.32 | bipolar | yeah, I guess that would work. |
| 15:31.32 | zecke | bipolar: thx |
| 15:31.44 | bipolar | beattie: it's not eth1 :) |
| 15:31.58 | bipolar | beattie: usb network interfaces are usb* on the host. |
| 15:31.59 | beattie | I don;t get a usb0 |
| 15:32.10 | bipolar | beattie: ifconfig -a does not show it? |
| 15:32.42 | beattie | nope just eth1 |
| 15:32.58 | beattie | 2.4.21-pre6 |
| 15:32.58 | bipolar | beattie: ok... start over. Take the Z out of the cradle. |
| 15:33.08 | beattie | bipolar: done |
| 15:33.33 | bipolar | "lsmod | grep usbnet" on the host, does it show usbnet? |
| 15:33.58 | beattie | usbnet 12072 0 (unused) |
| 15:33.58 | beattie | usbcore 55200 1 [CDCEther usbnet acm usbkbd usb-uhci] |
| 15:34.57 | bipolar | beattie: that's diffrent from me. |
| 15:35.22 | bipolar | beattie: modprobe -r usbnet |
| 15:35.37 | bipolar | hmmm.... what is CDCEther? |
| 15:37.26 | bipolar | beattie: try 'modprobe -r CDCEther |
| 15:37.52 | bipolar | I think thats the old usbdnet or something similar. |
| 15:38.02 | beattie | I need to take the kids to school, is there a web page somewhere that talks about how to config the kernel |
| 15:38.22 | bipolar | beattie: just build usbnet as a module, thats all |
| 15:38.34 | beattie | I did |
| 15:38.54 | bipolar | load the module, plug in Z, you should get a usb0 interface. Nothing else to be done but ifconfig it. |
| 15:39.53 | bipolar | beattie: I'm not sure why cdcether is loaded. I think it might be conflicting. We'll have to check /var/log/messages |
| 15:40.53 | bipolar | zecke: do you run debian? |
| 15:41.30 | zecke | bipolar: no did not get elected as president ;) ( yes I do use it ) |
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| 15:41.39 | bipolar | zecke: hehe |
| 15:42.14 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.29 | bipolar | zecke: i've not built kitchensync in a while. Does it still need special libs (kcal, etc) or are the ones in sid new enough? |
| 15:43.14 | zecke | bipolar: I think the version in sid does not install header ( libkcal was never released ) |
| 15:43.35 | zecke | bipolar: so either way we need that libkcal in the package |
| 15:44.22 | bipolar | zecke: I'm looking for the cleanest way to install it... I'll build it again and see if anything conflicts. |
| 15:45.21 | zecke | bipolar: just avoid doing the make install in libkcal |
| 15:46.13 | bipolar | zecke: libkcal is not needed? |
| 15:46.28 | bipolar | sorry... it's easy to confuse me today. I'm under the weather.... |
| 15:47.26 | zecke | bipolar: it's needed to compile the package |
| 15:47.35 | bipolar | ohhhhhh..... ok |
| 15:47.36 | zecke | bipolar: but it may be not needed to install it |
| 15:48.41 | beattie | bipolar: which kernel ar eyou running? |
| 15:48.52 | bipolar | beattie: 2.4.21-pre4 I think |
| 15:49.29 | beattie | can you send your .config to beattie@beattie-home.net ? |
| 15:49.44 | bipolar | beattie: I think I wiped my tree, sorry. |
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| 15:50.11 | bipolar | beattie: but the only thing you need is the usbnet module. There are no special options to enable. |
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| 15:56.00 | beattie | it would appear there is a little more tha that |
| 15:56.52 | bipolar | beattie: there shouldn't be. Thats all I had to do. |
| 15:57.12 | bipolar | beattie: however, I am curious to know why CDCEther is loaded. |
| 15:57.25 | beattie | that is what I did, it maybe I need to get rid of cdcether, but that is sometihng more |
| 15:58.01 | bipolar | beattie: I fear it may be conflicting. The only module you need to connect to the zaurus is usbnet. |
| 15:58.36 | bipolar | beattie: check /var/log/messages for info. See whats happening when you plug in the Zaurus |
| 15:58.56 | beattie | any idea what you are looking for? |
| 15:59.10 | bipolar | Mar 31 10:15:33 bipolar kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-1, assigned address 12 |
| 15:59.10 | bipolar | Mar 31 10:15:33 bipolar kernel: usb0: register usbnet usb-00:07.3-1, Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00 |
| 15:59.26 | bipolar | thats what I get when I plug it in. |
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| 16:08.59 | kergoth | mornin |
| 16:10.30 | pb_ | hey kergoth |
| 16:11.31 | treke | mornin ke |
| 16:11.53 | treke | ken* except for kergoth, change your names |
| 16:13.48 | treke | kergoth: found out my hack of a solution didnt actually work. Suspend events made it through, but not resume events. Time to dig deeper into the code |
| 16:14.29 | bipolar | kergoth: :-D |
| 16:14.56 | bipolar | kergoth: yay! libssl is busted! Damn debian people upgraded on us! hehe |
| 16:15.08 | icefox | hey kergoth |
| 16:15.22 | kergoth | treke: fun fun |
| 16:15.37 | treke | kergoth: does apm work properly in your linux-cl tree? |
| 16:15.48 | treke | icefox: bah, whats the worst they can do to you, fire you? :) |
| 16:15.50 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah, i noticed.. well, it was about time we made the switch to 0.9.7 anyway |
| 16:15.54 | icefox | whahahaha |
| 16:15.58 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:15.59 | icefox | oh wait |
| 16:16.11 | kergoth | treke: never checked to see if apmd was picking up evejnts |
| 16:16.18 | kergoth | next time i flash it for testing i'll check |
| 16:16.29 | treke | ok. I'll use the 2.4.7 source |
| 16:16.43 | mickeyl | ibot: seen pnis |
| 16:16.44 | | pnis <~pnis@caracas-1021.adsl.interware.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 60d 16h 40m 39s ago, saying: 'bye kergoth'. |
| 16:16.47 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:16.52 | bipolar | kergoth: heh... I guess I can't get a break, every time I go to compile, Debian upgrades... heh |
| 16:17.13 | kergoth | yep, such is life |
| 16:17.14 | mickeyl | re |
| 16:17.22 | kergoth | but it keeps us on our toes, and makes sure we have the most recent versions of things |
| 16:17.22 | treke | kergoth: pmhelper just sends suspend or resume. apmd_proxy wants to see $1=resume $2=suspend, for some reason |
| 16:17.25 | kergoth | hye mickey |
| 16:17.34 | kergoth | treke: ah, odd |
| 16:17.46 | mickeyl | hiho kergoth. are you somewhat familiar with our new sound driver? |
| 16:18.21 | kergoth | only a little. I had delved into the code prior to denes making his changes, and then briefly afterward |
| 16:18.25 | kergoth | why? |
| 16:19.03 | mickeyl | kergoth: two simple issues. 1.) the key sound is not good. it sounds very different from the sound the old buzzer used. 2.) on the old buzzer driver I could change the volume of the three sounds - this is not possible on the new driver. |
| 16:19.07 | bipolar | kergoth: on the dsp irq issue: would it be possible to have an applet or something to switch between the buzzer and headphone output? I'm assuming that you could free up an irq by not using the headphone dsp... that might be the crack talking though.... ;p |
| 16:19.33 | mickeyl | bipolar: opie will get a soundserver soon (whatever this means) |
| 16:19.55 | kergoth | mickeyl: 2) is incorrect |
| 16:20.04 | kergoth | mickeyl: you need to mv the mixer1 to mixer as well as dsp1 to dsp |
| 16:20.09 | kergoth | .. |
| 16:20.13 | kergoth | the key sound, yeah i noticed that |
| 16:20.34 | kergoth | bipolar: I already changed the headphone out to only allocate dma when the device is open |
| 16:20.42 | kergoth | bipolar: which is why irda can be enabled out of the box in 3.2 |
| 16:20.47 | mickeyl | kergoth: shall I take a look into the driver and see if I can change the sample data ? |
| 16:20.58 | bipolar | kergoth: oh.... I'll shut up now... |
| 16:21.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: please do, that one has been bugging me for a while. its almost like it has an echo or something |
| 16:21.24 | mickeyl | kergoth: oki - will take a look. |
| 16:22.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: actually, I just added sound to Wellenreiter (have it buzz when it receives a beacon... t'is cool - just like a Geiger counter he he :-D |
| 16:23.05 | mickeyl | this is why i came to it |
| 16:23.18 | kergoth | hey nice |
| 16:23.24 | kergoth | kinda like kismet's beeper eh |
| 16:23.27 | mickeyl | yup |
| 16:23.44 | kergoth | very cool. i havent actually tried wellenreiter yet. is it in a usable state yet? |
| 16:24.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: it is after I spend my vacation week to rewrite it using libopie2. |
| 16:24.18 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:24.22 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:24.33 | kergoth | have the devs reviewed the libopie2 code yet? |
| 16:24.36 | kergoth | i havent had a chance, personally |
| 16:25.01 | lsmith | am i a stupid blind fuck or is its not easily appearent where the todo file can be found? |
| 16:25.10 | kergoth | 'the todo file'? |
| 16:25.25 | kergoth | its probably /root/Applications/todosomethingorother/ |
| 16:25.35 | kergoth | if you mean where your todos are stored |
| 16:25.43 | lsmith | no i mean for oz development |
| 16:25.46 | mickeyl | kergoth: not yet. I chatted with zecke who also thinks we should integrate the old libqpe gradually into libopie2. So, I think after opie 1.0 we will do some larger architectural changes. |
| 16:25.49 | kergoth | ibot: oz todo |
| 16:25.49 | | it has been said that oz todo is http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 16:25.51 | kergoth | lsmith: ^^ |
| 16:26.01 | lsmith | ah thx :-) |
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| 16:27.06 | lsmith | ah hasnt been updated yet since the last release |
| 16:27.34 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:27.37 | kergoth | havent had time |
| 16:27.53 | lsmith | np |
| 16:28.04 | lsmith | just wanted to check where to mysql was moved .. will wait patiently |
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| 16:36.51 | bipolar | god... I *love* kitchensync! |
| 16:37.07 | bipolar | anyone want a kitchensync deb for debian unstable? |
| 16:37.13 | treke | sure |
| 16:37.21 | bipolar | let me post it.... |
| 16:37.37 | treke | does it do evolution yet? |
| 16:37.55 | icefox | well in a few years maybe just hope I don' |
| 16:37.59 | icefox | tt have twins |
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| 16:41.09 | klu5ter_work | morning all |
| 16:43.12 | icefox | Moin! |
| 16:44.08 | kergoth | that would be the weight that was removed from your back |
| 16:44.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:44.19 | killefiz | icefox: how's live as a free man? |
| 16:44.38 | killefiz | aehm - life |
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| 16:45.02 | markt_ | hallo all |
| 16:45.15 | markt_ | can anybody here help me with pointers on using the OZ buildroot? |
| 16:45.37 | icefox | wonderful |
| 16:45.53 | icefox | my cube is almost empty! |
| 16:46.07 | icefox | I am removing myself from mailinglists and everything |
| 16:46.08 | icefox | man |
| 16:46.12 | icefox | what a nice day |
| 16:46.18 | Mantus | what package is the prism/2 wireless support in? |
| 16:46.29 | bipolar | ok... kitchensync for debian sid is @ http://bipolar.longbros.com/zaurus/kitchensync_0.0.5-1_i386.deb |
| 16:46.48 | Harlekin | bipolar: against 3.1.1? |
| 16:47.05 | bipolar | Harlekin: I just did a fresh dist-upgrade before I built. :) |
| 16:47.16 | Harlekin | got the replaces right? |
| 16:47.26 | bipolar | note that it was built with checkinstall. :) |
| 16:47.38 | bipolar | Harlekin: yes, It does not overwrite libkcal |
| 16:47.56 | markt_ | or... can anybody give me pointers to documents which can give me pointers? ;-) |
| 16:48.10 | Harlekin | bipolar: mail carsten about it, he is looking for debs and rpms |
| 16:48.35 | icefox | markt_: * |
| 16:48.37 | bipolar | Harlekin: ok. If I don't hear any complaints about the deb, I will. |
| 16:48.37 | markt_ | i'm finding it really hard to acclimatise myself to the buildroot, cos I don't really understand how it works :) |
| 16:48.57 | markt_ | icefox: thanks for the glob ;-) |
| 16:49.09 | icefox | soory, just too temping |
| 16:50.35 | markt_ | my specific "challenge" is: (a) work out how this buildroot thing hangs together (b) compile a stock OZ kernel (with associated modules) (c) Compile a patched kernel (with associated modules) |
| 16:51.11 | markt_ | (d) install either the whole kernel+modules, or somehow ensure compatibility with the stock OZ kernel and install just the modules I'm after :-) |
| 16:52.18 | markt_ | or is doing that just considered crazy? :-) |
| 16:54.32 | bipolar | wtf... why would my sd card suddenly stop working... hmmm |
| 16:54.48 | kergoth | markt_: make menuconfig. select 5000d/5500. select a kernel. run make |
| 16:56.07 | beattie | when libssl is fixed :) |
| 16:56.19 | kergoth | last i chekced you dont need libssl to build a kernel. |
| 16:56.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:56.31 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/collie/Vars.make:92: *** Must have a toolchain available, or build one!. Stop. |
| 16:56.34 | kergoth | fun |
| 16:56.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:56.38 | markt_ | kergoth: thanks i'll give that a try |
| 16:56.45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:57.28 | bipolar | is it true that vfat is better to use on an sd card becouse it's faster? |
| 16:57.46 | markt_ | kergoth: that's actually what i've tried already (although i used config rather than menuconfig) |
| 16:58.17 | kergoth | so whats the problem? |
| 16:58.21 | bipolar | I don't have to worry about any linking issues as long as I'm linking from jffs2 to vfat and not from vfat, right? |
| 16:58.26 | markt_ | it fails, i figured i was doing something amiss |
| 16:59.04 | markt_ | is there any kind of pre config i should be doing, environment variables, etc.? |
| 16:59.06 | kergoth | 'it fails' tells me precisely nothing. |
| 16:59.07 | kergoth | no |
| 16:59.16 | kergoth | you need a toolchain obviously |
| 16:59.17 | markt_ | ok, hold on then, i'll look back in my history :) |
| 17:00.03 | markt_ | better than that, i'll run it again, seeing as how irc is now living where make once was |
| 17:00.20 | beattie | bipolar: if the linked file ins on a "unix" filesystem (includes jffs2) and the actual file ins on and msdos file system, it shoud work |
| 17:00.36 | bipolar | beattie: thanks! |
| 17:00.42 | bipolar | beattie: any luck with usbnet? |
| 17:00.58 | beattie | rebuilding kernel withgout cdcether |
| 17:01.05 | markt_ | i have a toolchain from the OZ site: cross-2.95.3-oz-1.1.tar.bz2 |
| 17:01.14 | kergoth | okay, good |
| 17:01.21 | bipolar | beattie: ok... let me know whats up |
| 17:01.24 | markt_ | it's living in /usr/local/arm |
| 17:01.33 | beattie | will do |
| 17:01.59 | markt_ | looks like the make script is currently building "tools" using the standard i386 g++, that sound about right? |
| 17:02.19 | kergoth | of course |
| 17:02.25 | kergoth | host tools are built for your desktop arch |
| 17:02.29 | kergoth | to be used to build other thigns |
| 17:02.47 | markt_ | ok, that makes sense :-) i'm a cross compiling newbie :) |
| 17:02.53 | killefiz | kergoth: does buildroot build a toolchain if it doesn't find one? |
| 17:03.03 | kergoth | killefiz: no, you have to enable the toolchain build in menuconfig |
| 17:03.05 | bipolar | could someone please refresh my memory... if I want to make the sd card vfat, do I need to use fdisk to change the partion type or do I just format the card with mkfs -t vfat? |
| 17:04.28 | markt_ | it's building things in "kernel" now |
| 17:06.55 | bipolar | fdisk is b0rked? Keeps giving me a bus error and crashing. |
| 17:07.00 | Mantus | has anyone used qtopiagnuboy recently? |
| 17:07.04 | kergoth | yes, fdisk bus errors |
| 17:07.11 | kergoth | feel free to figure out why and fix it |
| 17:07.12 | kergoth | ;) |
| 17:08.04 | bipolar | heh |
| 17:08.21 | kergoth | note the bus error occurs both with busybox fdisk and util-linux fdisk |
| 17:08.25 | kergoth | which is completely nonsensical |
| 17:08.43 | bipolar | kergoth: do I need to use fdisk to switch from ext2 to vfat? |
| 17:09.04 | kergoth | no |
| 17:10.02 | bipolar | ok then... no point in fdisk... heh |
| 17:10.20 | treke | bipolar: make with the deb :) |
| 17:10.21 | bipolar | mmm.. opie-formater is nice |
| 17:10.35 | bipolar | treke: huh? |
| 17:10.44 | treke | for kitchensync |
| 17:11.14 | bipolar | treke: I already posted |
| 17:11.22 | bipolar | <bipolar> ok... kitchensync for debian sid is @ http://bipolar.longbros.com/zaurus/kitchensync_0.0.5-1_i386.deb |
| 17:11.25 | bipolar | :) |
| 17:11.32 | treke | hehe I missed it :) |
| 17:11.33 | treke | thanks |
| 17:11.37 | bipolar | NP |
| 17:12.06 | bipolar | it would be great if it was in sid... perhaps zecke|theater could arange that... :) |
| 17:12.38 | beattie | bipolar: Re: kitchensync, I run woody, do you know what package supplies libz? |
| 17:13.19 | markt_ | kergoth: it seems to hit a problem when trying to compile kernel/qjpegio.cpp |
| 17:13.28 | bipolar | beattie: you need kde 3.1.1 to use it |
| 17:13.31 | markt_ | hold on, just going to put the output somewhere |
| 17:13.43 | beattie | bipolar: ok thanks |
| 17:13.46 | kergoth | markt_: eh, you're enabling a lot more than a kernel :) |
| 17:13.53 | kergoth | markt_: make menuconfig, disable uicmoc in host tools |
| 17:14.06 | bipolar | beattie: it's compiled with gcc 3.2 though, so you may be out of luck on woody |
| 17:14.21 | bipolar | beattie: could just compile it yourself if thats the case. |
| 17:14.44 | beattie | bipolar: tried to, ./configure complains about no libz |
| 17:14.44 | markt_ | kergoth: aha! should i make clean or anything before trying to build again? |
| 17:14.52 | kergoth | markt_: shouldnt need to |
| 17:15.08 | bipolar | beattie: um.... apt-get install libz-dev? |
| 17:15.24 | beattie | could not find that for woody |
| 17:15.31 | bipolar | beattie: I'm not sure about woody. :\ |
| 17:16.33 | markt_ | kergoth: great, this is all beginning to make sense to me now! thanks! |
| 17:17.00 | kergoth | markt_: np. there isnt much to it really. the config system controls builds, both what gets built, and the dependencies that ensure they build in the correct order |
| 17:17.01 | beattie | bipolar: I'll probably just wait, I'm probably going to be a user for a while, I need a kernel project so I'm going to find someting I can work on |
| 17:17.23 | Mantus | how do i change an applications icon? |
| 17:17.44 | beattie | probablt a thermomeer for my wireless AP |
| 17:17.51 | bipolar | Mantus: tab manager. I think |
| 17:17.59 | pb_ | beattie: libz dev is zlib1g-dev, for historical reasons |
| 17:18.17 | beattie | I added that, it still complained |
| 17:18.41 | kergoth | pb_: i still dont see why they dont change it, and use Provides/Replaces :) |
| 17:19.10 | beattie | maybe I only thought I did |
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| 17:19.32 | treke | kergoth: probably to prevent problems with people installing it on libc5 systems? :) |
| 17:19.36 | treke | all two of them that are left |
| 17:19.39 | pb_ | kergoth: dunno, I guess nobody feels strongly enough about it to bother. |
| 17:20.07 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:20.10 | pb_ | the normal policy would be that the package gets renamed when there is a soname bump for some other reason. |
| 17:20.26 | pb_ | I guess zlib is stable enough for that not to have happened in the last <n> years, though. |
| 17:21.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:21.39 | treke | similar to the c102 on current packages. it will go away when they bump the soname |
| 17:21.44 | markt_ | kergoth: looks good now - it's downloaded some kernel-headers for 2.4.18 tho (which at first glance looks a bit odd to me) |
| 17:22.03 | kergoth | markt_: thats expected. dont fuck with it |
| 17:22.09 | markt_ | kergoth: but it's busy downloading linux-2.4.6 now |
| 17:22.14 | kergoth | good |
| 17:22.25 | markt_ | kergoth: cool, just looked slightly out of place :-) |
| 17:22.49 | markt_ | i wouldn't fuck with it unless i knew what i was doing, and i certainly don't feel that confident yet! |
| 17:23.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:23.10 | kergoth | you cant build glibc without a set of kernel headers |
| 17:23.20 | kergoth | making it force you to build a kenrel when you dont want one was pointless |
| 17:23.40 | kergoth | so we grab a sane set of base headers, then if you _do_ build a kernel, it'll overwrite them with those |
| 17:23.54 | markt_ | aha, cool, i c |
| 17:24.29 | markt_ | btw, while i remember: anybody here with the power to update the OZ site? |
| 17:24.39 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:24.40 | markt_ | irc.openprojects.net is no more ;-) |
| 17:24.48 | treke | yeah |
| 17:24.50 | markt_ | that should probably read irc.freenode.net :) |
| 17:24.54 | Mantus | anyone use qpe-nmap? |
| 17:24.54 | treke | lilo sold the names on ebay |
| 17:25.11 | kergoth | Mantus: you mean nmapfe? |
| 17:25.34 | Mantus | kergoth: yea, the second one (the one that is maintained) |
| 17:25.50 | kergoth | we have it in our buildsystem and therefore our feeds. whats the issue? |
| 17:26.43 | Mantus | kergoth: well, i didnt get it off your feeds, but the issuse is just that it doesnt show the proper icon. i know the icon is there though |
| 17:27.03 | Mantus | and tabmanager cant find the icon either |
| 17:27.14 | kergoth | er, i dont know what you mean |
| 17:27.15 | kergoth | what icon? |
| 17:27.17 | kergoth | on the desktop? |
| 17:27.24 | Mantus | yes |
| 17:27.34 | Mantus | its in the file system but opie shows a ? |
| 17:27.48 | Mantus | the qpe-nmap ison |
| 17:27.56 | kergoth | markt_: fixed |
| 17:28.02 | kergoth | markt_: (re: openprojects/freenode) |
| 17:30.19 | mickeyl | gawd i just did forget how this lineo stuff sucks |
| 17:30.29 | kergoth | hehe. reflashed sharp? |
| 17:30.31 | mickeyl | now i have been reminded... |
| 17:30.44 | mickeyl | now - trying to figure out the control flow in the old buzzer driver |
| 17:30.47 | mickeyl | s/now/no |
| 17:30.50 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:30.59 | kergoth | good luck |
| 17:31.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:31.03 | mickeyl | hehe, thanks |
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| 17:34.12 | markt_ | kergoth: sorry to be of further trouble, but i'm getting an "Internal compiler error" - that sounds bad to me |
| 17:34.18 | kergoth | ouch |
| 17:34.21 | kergoth | doing what? |
| 17:34.35 | markt_ | scuse, the long line: |
| 17:34.37 | markt_ | arm-linux-gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/local/src/buildroot-exported/build/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mshort-load-bytes -msoft-float -c -o capability.o capability.c |
| 17:35.08 | bipolar | markt_: internal compiler error? Could you paste the actual error? |
| 17:35.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:35.21 | markt_ | yeah, sure hold on |
| 17:35.26 | kergoth | that reminds of people posting the make: error 2 |
| 17:35.28 | markt_ | arm-linux-gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 |
| 17:35.29 | markt_ | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 17:35.29 | markt_ | {standard input}:0: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline inserted |
| 17:35.29 | markt_ | {standard input}:247: Error: register expected, not 'i' -- `cmp i' |
| 17:35.29 | markt_ | make[4]: *** [capability.o] Error 1 |
| 17:35.29 | kergoth | like its of any help.. |
| 17:35.36 | bipolar | markt_: ouch |
| 17:35.36 | markt_ | sorry, i was getting to it |
| 17:35.44 | markt_ | yeah, like i said, sounds bad |
| 17:35.46 | kergoth | uhh |
| 17:35.47 | kergoth | signal 11 |
| 17:35.51 | bipolar | markt_: check your cpu fan |
| 17:35.52 | kergoth | signal 11 is almost always hardware |
| 17:35.54 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:35.56 | kergoth | overheat |
| 17:35.58 | kergoth | bad ram |
| 17:35.59 | kergoth | etc |
| 17:36.17 | markt_ | hmm, fan and temp look ok |
| 17:36.38 | markt_ | i guess i'll try the build on a different box then? |
| 17:36.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:37.09 | markt_ | bad ram eh? ewww, i hope not :( |
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| 17:38.01 | kergoth | he's multiplying |
| 17:38.07 | bipolar | mwhahaha |
| 17:38.21 | bipolar | we always come back |
| 17:38.29 | yakito | I have detected that using a SD of CF card formated with FAT system, it is not the better thing you can do with openzaurus 3.2. All apps installed to SD of CF does not set correctly symlinks. Is there any solution ? |
| 17:38.47 | Mantus | use ext2 |
| 17:38.54 | bipolar | actualy, thats my home pc. my wife finaly hit the ok button after it got booted. |
| 17:39.24 | bipolar | yakito: i've just formated mine vfat. seems ok so far. |
| 17:39.37 | yakito | But FAT is not supported for installing programs ? |
| 17:39.51 | bipolar | yakito: sure it is. |
| 17:39.55 | yakito | It works fine, but i have to fix symlink errors at hand |
| 17:39.55 | bipolar | yakito: it should be fine |
| 17:40.11 | bipolar | yakito: how are you installing the ipk? |
| 17:40.14 | kergoth | if the app needs links, yes you have a problem |
| 17:40.22 | yakito | from graphical aqpg |
| 17:40.23 | kergoth | or if your'e installing a library or an app that includes a library |
| 17:40.35 | Mantus | programs should be installed to ext2 to maintain compatibility if opie starts running as non-root |
| 17:40.41 | Mantus | inho |
| 17:40.52 | Mantus | s/inho/imho |
| 17:40.57 | bipolar | kergoth: you mean like opiemediaplayer2? |
| 17:41.05 | kergoth | bipolar: does it include a lib? |
| 17:41.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:41.12 | bipolar | kergoth libxine? |
| 17:41.14 | Twiun | hey |
| 17:41.15 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:41.25 | kergoth | libxine will install fine, but the libxine.so.1 symlink wont exist |
| 17:41.36 | yakito | with op2 i have fixed simlink at hand |
| 17:41.36 | bipolar | god... back to the drawling board. |
| 17:42.04 | yakito | Can I made two partitions on a CF, one FAT for flashing and the other one ext2 for programs ? |
| 17:42.22 | mickeyl | ok i got it. |
| 17:42.24 | kergoth | yakito: yes |
| 17:42.30 | kergoth | yakito: see the mailing list archives |
| 17:42.35 | kergoth | yakito: was discussed recently |
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| 17:43.05 | yakito | I thought that I had read somethig about |
| 17:43.20 | yakito | but yesterday someone said me that this was impossible :O |
| 17:43.29 | bipolar | hmmm.... ls -l shows the libs as linked fine... :\ |
| 17:44.06 | bipolar | ahh... I see it. |
| 17:44.08 | bipolar | shit |
| 17:44.15 | yakito | not it is not linked |
| 17:44.23 | bipolar | well... that was a big waste of time. |
| 17:44.27 | yakito | you have the wrong symlink on a different color |
| 17:44.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: two things: 1.) the buzzer API doesn't honor the mixer settings. 2.) Sharp plays the sounds at volume 4 (yep - really: 4). So all sounds in the new buzzer driver come out kind of super distorted. While it doesn't affect the touch and the alarm sound really much (one can recognize still it), the click sound is being distorted beyond recognizability. |
| 17:44.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: ? |
| 17:44.59 | kergoth | ohh |
| 17:45.14 | kergoth | the copmatibility sharp_buz interface isnt obeying the mixer? |
| 17:45.20 | mickeyl | kergoth: that's it. |
| 17:45.38 | kergoth | drop denes an email |
| 17:45.45 | kergoth | he doesnt frequent irc, but he responds to mails on the oz lists |
| 17:45.53 | mickeyl | will do. do you have his email handy? |
| 17:46.21 | kergoth | Balatoni Denes <pnis@coder.hu> |
| 17:46.31 | mickeyl | ok, thanks. |
| 17:46.35 | kergoth | np |
| 17:46.51 | kergoth | mainwindows.o: In function `windows_print_sticky': |
| 17:46.52 | kergoth | mainwindows.o(.text+0x1a64): undefined reference to `g_string_sprintfa' |
| 17:46.55 | kergoth | bleh |
| 17:49.56 | markt_ | is bitkeeper free for non commercial use, or do i have to pay for it? |
| 17:50.34 | yakito | If I reformat my SD to EXT2, is there a way to make windows read it on the usb reader ? |
| 17:51.03 | markt_ | bah, now i'm getting: |
| 17:51.04 | markt_ | arm-linux-gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/local/src/buildroot-exported/build/linux/include -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mno-fpu -c -o suspend.o suspend.S |
| 17:51.04 | markt_ | suspend.S: Assembler messages: |
| 17:51.04 | markt_ | suspend.S:62: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 17:51.04 | markt_ | suspend.S:344: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 17:51.11 | markt_ | ('scuse the paste) |
| 17:51.31 | beattie | yakito: I don't think so |
| 17:51.59 | markt_ | yakito: there are ext2 reading programs for windows, don't know if it'll work with your usb reader though |
| 17:52.49 | markt_ | yakito: you could try http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 17:53.13 | markt_ | better than that, install linux :-p |
| 17:53.21 | yakito | thanks, going to loof that page |
| 17:53.28 | markt_ | np |
| 17:53.45 | yakito | I will install linux, but I have had some problems to make my usb reader to work on linux |
| 17:53.52 | yakito | at work |
| 17:54.09 | markt_ | ah yeah, i got one i knew would work with linux |
| 17:54.24 | yakito | and I would like to lose the ability to plug my usb reader on any pc |
| 17:54.32 | yakito | mine is a cruzer and yours ? |
| 17:55.06 | chouimat | morning (i know it's a little late :) |
| 17:58.27 | mickeyl | mail sent. |
| 17:58.36 | nagROM | aww piss. |
| 17:58.54 | nagROM | anyone know if i can just download the usb drivers for windows. |
| 17:59.08 | nagROM | or do i have to download the whole stupid intellisync. |
| 17:59.22 | nagROM | 56k sucks. |
| 18:01.55 | nagROM | anyone in here? |
| 18:01.58 | kergoth | no |
| 18:02.17 | nagROM | so do i have to download the whole 26.4 megs? |
| 18:02.22 | kergoth | dont know |
| 18:02.40 | nagROM | aww piss. |
| 18:02.40 | bipolar | kergoth: you rang? :) |
| 18:02.43 | nagROM | thanks though. |
| 18:03.01 | kergoth | bipolar: chmod g+w Packages |
| 18:03.10 | kergoth | bipolar: i wasnt able to update unstable when i pushed the 3.2 release |
| 18:03.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:03.21 | bipolar | shit |
| 18:03.35 | kergoth | bipolar: echo 'umask 0002' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 18:04.02 | kergoth | i just copied up irssi to unstable as well |
| 18:04.03 | yakito | [markt_] your usb reader is a cruzer ? |
| 18:04.21 | bipolar | sf.net is so fuckin' slow! |
| 18:04.31 | kergoth | yeah it is |
| 18:04.34 | kergoth | real bad today |
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| 18:05.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: d'oh! actually I was wrong. pnis obeys the mixer but doesn't use the 4/100 correction factor sharp uses for playing back the buzzer sounds. I emailed him to bring in the 4/100. |
| 18:06.18 | kergoth | 4/100 correction factor? on volume? |
| 18:06.25 | nagROM | wee idea. usin the effin digital camera as a flash reader. |
| 18:06.34 | bipolar | kergoth: done |
| 18:06.40 | kergoth | bipolar: thanks |
| 18:07.08 | mickeyl | kergoth: yep - on volume. |
| 18:07.13 | kergoth | cbok's been pestering me to get irssi in the feeds for like weeks |
| 18:07.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:07.17 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah |
| 18:07.30 | mickeyl | kergoth: this is pretty simple to correct if we want. |
| 18:07.37 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 18:07.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: i tested by doing setmixer vol 4 and voilá - the sounds sound like before |
| 18:07.54 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:08.29 | kergoth | well i'm glad it was somethinf airly simple |
| 18:08.37 | mickeyl | yeah, me too. |
| 18:08.41 | kergoth | how many brain cells did you lose from the contact with lineo code though? |
| 18:08.42 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:08.50 | mickeyl | can't count... :-D |
| 18:08.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:09.17 | kergoth | i really dislike their var and function naming |
| 18:09.19 | kergoth | the caps |
| 18:09.24 | kergoth | it goes against kernel conventions |
| 18:09.44 | mickeyl | i hate it when they introduce pretty meaningless macros |
| 18:09.51 | mickeyl | just renaming functions... aargh |
| 18:09.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:09.56 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:10.00 | kergoth | extra layers for no reason |
| 18:10.06 | kergoth | its like they enjoy making it convoluted |
| 18:11.01 | chouimat | damn! I hate writing those letters |
| 18:11.36 | markt_ | yakito: sorry back now |
| 18:12.46 | markt_ | yakito: mine is an "omniflash unomas" |
| 18:13.00 | markt_ | it's a four in one reader |
| 18:13.10 | markt_ | ie. does "all" media |
| 18:15.50 | Mantus | anyone know a website for opie backgrounds? |
| 18:15.53 | markt_ | kergoth: any thoughts on my problem above? |
| 18:16.35 | kergoth | markt_: internal relocation not fixed up? |
| 18:16.40 | kergoth | markt_: try make -C build/linux distclean; make |
| 18:17.22 | markt_ | kergoth: tnx, i'll give it a go |
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| 18:25.40 | markt_ | kergoth: same result unfortunately :( |
| 18:26.02 | kergoth | fun |
| 18:26.09 | kergoth | revert to the original cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 18:28.27 | beattie | bipolar: I've got a usb0 and did an ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.129.200 but I cant ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 18:28.49 | markt_ | kergoth: ok, i'll give that a go now :) |
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| 18:31.22 | beattie | bipolar: now it's working |
| 18:32.06 | icefox | nothing like coming back from lunch when you had some liquored drink that was blue |
| 18:32.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:34.11 | bipolar | beattie: cool |
| 18:34.55 | beattie | bipolar: anything need to go in the interfaces entry besides the address? |
| 18:35.10 | kergoth | usbnet mask |
| 18:35.14 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:35.18 | kergoth | subnet mask |
| 18:37.11 | beattie | it defaults to a class C subnet mask the page I looking suggests a class C |
| 18:37.21 | kergoth | should be fine then |
| 18:37.24 | beattie | is that wrong? |
| 18:37.32 | beattie | thnaks |
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| 18:39.28 | DocWhat | Can you flash a new kernel image without flashing the init.bin |
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| 18:39.57 | kergoth | yes, you can flash zImage and initrd.bin independently |
| 18:40.20 | DocWhat | kergoth: Goody, I just borked my Z with rc3.2...is there an official upgrade proceedure someplace? |
| 18:40.23 | einalem | kergoth: hi |
| 18:40.26 | DocWhat | :-) |
| 18:40.36 | kergoth | ipkg's upgrade path is almost guaranteed to be broken. |
| 18:40.41 | kergoth | ipkg lacks the necessary functionality to fix it |
| 18:40.45 | kergoth | I recommend flashing. |
| 18:40.47 | kergoth | einalem: hi |
| 18:41.01 | einalem | kergoth: I am having a hard time flashing any images. OZ 3.2, the regular Z image... |
| 18:41.08 | kergoth | define a hard time |
| 18:41.09 | kergoth | details |
| 18:41.25 | einalem | kergoth: acts like it is flashing, but doesn't boot past the SHARP logo screen right after you turn it on. |
| 18:41.33 | kergoth | then you didnt rename zimage |
| 18:41.44 | kergoth | 90% chance its really zimage.bin, and windows or os/x hid it from you |
| 18:41.58 | bipolar | HAHA! This is a picture my brother took of me and my wife at a wedding on friday: http://bipolar.longbros.com/IM000926.jpg |
| 18:42.30 | kergoth | hmmm interesting view |
| 18:42.35 | einalem | kergoth: tells me it's a .bin file |
| 18:42.36 | bipolar | heh |
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| 18:42.49 | Dessimat0r | lol a |
| 18:42.52 | Dessimat0r | *lo all |
| 18:42.52 | kergoth | einalem: i'm talking about the filename. |
| 18:42.52 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:42.58 | kergoth | einalem: i dont give a shit what type of file windows thinks it is |
| 18:43.05 | kergoth | einalem: it *must* be zImage. not zImage.bin |
| 18:43.20 | kergoth | pull up a dos prompt and type mv zimage.bin zimage if you have to |
| 18:43.25 | kergoth | or disable hiding of extensions |
| 18:43.30 | Dessimat0r | ah, the whole shite about windows hiding file extensions? |
| 18:43.31 | beattie | intersting picture |
| 18:43.34 | einalem | ahh |
| 18:43.34 | einalem | hah |
| 18:43.39 | einalem | windows blows |
| 18:43.44 | Dessimat0r | does |
| 18:43.53 | beattie | winblows |
| 18:43.58 | Dessimat0r | Operating Systems should never have such options on by default |
| 18:44.22 | Dessimat0r | and also.. extensions should never have been part of filenames in the first place.. Windows overuses them |
| 18:44.28 | Dessimat0r | should use mime types |
| 18:44.43 | kergoth | uh, even in unix extension is how mime type is determined for m ost things |
| 18:44.47 | kergoth | linux anyway |
| 18:44.51 | kergoth | look at apache |
| 18:44.53 | kergoth | or qtopia |
| 18:44.58 | kergoth | most apps dont look at the file's magic |
| 18:45.00 | DocWhat | Heh....ever tried to explain to the OS people why extended attributes are needed in a filesystem? Fun. |
| 18:45.02 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 18:45.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:45.46 | DocWhat | Think Hans Reiser, Alan Cox and a few of the other Linux Kernel irregulars in a room together talking about this. |
| 18:46.04 | DocWhat | We survived 15-20 minutes before the shouting was too loud and people stormed out.... |
| 18:46.21 | DocWhat | ....no wait, alan wasn't there. |
| 18:46.23 | DocWhat | But Hans was. |
| 18:46.31 | DocWhat | and some BeOS nut jobs. |
| 18:46.37 | beattie | bipolar: did you configure the hotplug stuff to get the usbnet stuff to run ifup? |
| 18:46.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:46.46 | Dessimat0r | ah, good old Hans Reiser, bringing us ReiserFS ;) |
| 18:47.22 | einalem | kergoth: zImage or zimage? Case matter? |
| 18:47.38 | Dessimat0r | case matters |
| 18:47.41 | Dessimat0r | zImage |
| 18:48.02 | einalem | okay, I was doing that... just wanted to make sure that I was doing it right. |
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| 18:48.39 | DocWhat | Dessimat0r: I think he's really smart and better at PR than Larry McVoy.... |
| 18:49.01 | DocWhat | Dessimat0r: But when Hans decides it isn't worth making others feel good.... |
| 18:49.25 | DocWhat | kergoth: Why does fbvncserver replace fbvncserver? |
| 18:49.37 | kergoth | uh, because it used to be called fbvncserver-oz |
| 18:49.39 | kergoth | iirc |
| 18:50.37 | DocWhat | ah, so that 'Replace" line should be removed or changed? |
| 18:51.05 | kergoth | yep, feel free to yank it |
| 18:51.09 | DocWhat | nifty. |
| 18:52.10 | kergoth | users are confused about the vim packages |
| 18:52.18 | kergoth | have you put in descriptions on them yet? |
| 18:52.55 | bipolar | beattie: I've not set hotplug up. I tried to, but got frustrated and now I just use ifup/ifdown :) |
| 18:53.27 | bipolar | treke: did you get to install that kitchensync deb? |
| 18:53.59 | beattie | bipolar: I did it on my desktop, I guess I'll have to figure it out again :) |
| 18:55.48 | DocWhat | kergoth: oz_version is 3.1-rc3, btw. |
| 18:56.28 | kergoth | DocWhat: no, it isnt. |
| 18:56.38 | treke | bipolar: I did. havent tested it yet. Boss unplugged my WAP so he could plug his laptop in :) |
| 18:56.41 | kergoth | in unstable? your local build? |
| 18:56.46 | kergoth | thats controlled by the configuration system |
| 18:56.59 | kergoth | somebody forgot to cp def-configs/collie-opie .config; make oldconfig |
| 18:57.04 | kergoth | after my latest changesets |
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| 19:01.07 | walters | hey so...anyone here hacking on gpe for zaurus? |
| 19:01.58 | kergoth | we need to add gtk2 and matchbox to buildroot |
| 19:02.00 | kergoth | then we can add gpe |
| 19:02.27 | walters | ok |
| 19:03.32 | walters | is that hard to do? i'd really like to see it. |
| 19:03.50 | kergoth | takes time |
| 19:03.55 | kergoth | if you want it to happen, do it yourself |
| 19:03.58 | kergoth | otherwise you can wait |
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| 19:15.37 | markt_ | ok, my belly is now full of food, time to get back to that kernel compilation with the older toolchain |
| 19:17.45 | markt_ | yay! it worked! |
| 19:18.03 | markt_ | thanks for guiding me through that kergoth! |
| 19:18.16 | kergoth | np |
| 19:19.45 | markt_ | so, that's created me a zImage - can i flash that by itself without an initrd.bin? |
| 19:19.54 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:19.58 | markt_ | cool :-D |
| 19:20.31 | markt_ | so, theoretically, i could patch the kernel and install it - what happens to the modules? |
| 19:20.43 | kergoth | dont need to patch it manuall |
| 19:20.48 | kergoth | bk vi packages/kernel-collie/Makefile |
| 19:20.53 | kergoth | add a new patch to the Sources variable |
| 19:20.59 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-collie clean; make |
| 19:21.05 | kergoth | you'll likely want to increment Revision as well |
| 19:21.13 | kergoth | the kenrel modules end up in kernel module ipks |
| 19:21.15 | kergoth | in output/ipks/ |
| 19:21.43 | markt_ | they have their own directories under packages defining the package/make process? |
| 19:22.36 | kergoth | each package in the config system (generally) has a dir in packages |
| 19:22.45 | kergoth | that makefile is wha does the real grunt work |
| 19:22.58 | kergoth | the config system simply contorls which ones get called, and the order in which they're called |
| 19:23.08 | markt_ | ok (this is great i'm beginning to feel a bit more comfortable with this now :-)) |
| 19:23.24 | kergoth | make sure you use bk edit or bk vi to edit files, or it'll bitch at you and cause problems |
| 19:23.29 | kergoth | need to lock the files for editing |
| 19:23.38 | kergoth | or you can bk -r edit -q to do it to every file |
| 19:23.45 | markt_ | is bk free for non commercial use? |
| 19:23.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:24.01 | markt_ | guess i'd better download myself a copy then :-) |
| 19:24.03 | kergoth | free as in beer |
| 19:24.07 | kergoth | ah, you're using a snapshot atm? |
| 19:24.10 | markt_ | indeed |
| 19:24.22 | kergoth | cool. only downside to that is you have to grab a whole new snapshot to get changes |
| 19:24.22 | markt_ | seemed like a sensible place to start |
| 19:24.31 | kergoth | you cant just pull them down from our tree upstream |
| 19:24.51 | markt_ | yeah, an rsync-y thing might be useful @sp for those who can't/don't use bk i guess, but that's just a nicety |
| 19:25.09 | kergoth | yeah, i agree |
| 19:25.23 | kergoth | i'd like to make the tree avail via rsync, then you can use the modified gnu cssc tools to manipulate the repos without bk |
| 19:25.45 | markt_ | true, it is only a unidirectional solution |
| 19:26.08 | markt_ | hmm, sorry, misread what u said |
| 19:26.14 | kergoth | np |
| 19:26.20 | kergoth | there is tools to manipulate a bk repos without bk |
| 19:26.22 | markt_ | i'd only thought of it one way :) |
| 19:26.25 | kergoth | but you still need a way to get ahold of it |
| 19:26.36 | markt_ | sure |
| 19:26.38 | walters | markt_: it's not quite that simple actually; you should really read http://www.taniwha.org/bitkeeper.html |
| 19:27.05 | walters | markt_: among other things you have to give up your right to ever submit a patch to any other revision control system. |
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| 19:27.18 | markt_ | yikes! |
| 19:27.34 | nagROM | i'm lovin 3.2 final. |
| 19:27.37 | kergoth | thats not correct. if you make a contribution to one of those, you simply lose your bk license |
| 19:27.40 | kergoth | afaik of course |
| 19:27.57 | nagROM | everything stopped blinking. |
| 19:28.20 | markt_ | that's very unpleasant, i might well stick with downloading snapshots, but that prevents me from contributing easily i suppose |
| 19:28.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:28.37 | nagROM | good work kergoth. .... and everybody else that i don't really know about. |
| 19:29.55 | markt_ | the particular patch i want to use wouldn't fit in with OZ anyway - it's the patch for using M$ MPPE encryption for ppp connections |
| 19:30.08 | markt_ | i need it to be able to use my Z on our WLAN in the office |
| 19:30.25 | markt_ | stupid sysadmins and their M$ security overkill |
| 19:30.51 | markt_ | but i'd certainly like to contribute other (free) items to OZ |
| 19:31.04 | beattie | sharp just called to tell me about the new model :) |
| 19:31.21 | kergoth | what model? the 5600? |
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| 19:31.30 | beattie | yeah |
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| 19:34.44 | beattie | bipolar: it looks like once I got the interfaces entry right hotplug does the rest |
| 19:35.37 | nagROM | do i need to download the samba server or does it come with the zimage? |
| 19:35.53 | kergoth | 1) zimage is a kernel, not a rootfs |
| 19:36.05 | kergoth | 2) no, samba server isnt in INITRD.BIN, no |
| 19:36.19 | nagROM | errp. |
| 19:36.29 | nagROM | ..initrd. |
| 19:36.46 | kergoth | fuck, the c700 kernel i just built doesnt boot :( |
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| 19:41.22 | Neo|Work | I was at CostCo yesterday - they had 256 MB SD cards (sandisk) for like 65 |
| 19:41.27 | Neo|Work | I thought that was rather cheap |
| 19:41.42 | nagROM | ahh. fuck not having costco within subway distance |
| 19:48.32 | prpplague | kergoth: thats a monday for ya :) |
| 19:48.42 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 19:49.34 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm pissing away the day trying to get ie5.5 running under wine |
| 19:49.38 | prpplague | kergoth: talk about fun |
| 19:49.50 | kergoth | eek |
| 19:49.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:50.06 | Dessimat0r | why would you want to run IE5.5 under WINE? o_O |
| 19:50.08 | Mantus | why would you even want to run ie 5.5 with wine? |
| 19:50.20 | treke | streaming audio |
| 19:50.38 | prpplague | Dessimat0r: because the 3 biggest hardware store suppliers in the world suck bill gates dick |
| 19:50.38 | Dessimat0r | I can get streaming audio with the mplayer plugin for Konqueuor |
| 19:50.50 | treke | On some sites |
| 19:50.54 | prpplague | Dessimat0r: all their web sites are extremely ie only |
| 19:51.00 | treke | others require ie |
| 19:51.09 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 19:51.37 | prpplague | Dessimat0r: i'm doing everything i can to keep the company i'm working for from selling winblows terminal servers |
| 19:51.42 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 19:51.45 | kergoth | prpplague: ahahaha |
| 19:51.50 | kergoth | prpplague: i was copying the kernel from the wrong tree |
| 19:51.56 | kergoth | prpplague: i copied my collie kernel instead of corgi |
| 19:51.59 | kergoth | yep, its a monday alright |
| 19:52.30 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, now spill your coffee on your c700 and then trip out the window |
| 19:54.49 | kergoth | brb, coffee run |
| 19:56.46 | Mantus | man, i saw a c700 the other day at a con i was at, those things are beautiful |
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| 20:00.36 | STrRedWolf | Heya. |
| 20:02.44 | markt_ | hallo STrRedWolf |
| 20:03.07 | STrRedWolf | Has anyone used OZ 3.2's Media Player yet? |
| 20:03.17 | markt_ | kergoth: i was expecting a base-modules ipk or something to be output from the kernel build i did - is there a further step to get that generated? |
| 20:03.42 | markt_ | STrRedWolf: I have used opie-player2, although can't say i've tried 3.2's yet |
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| 20:04.21 | STrRedWolf | markt_: Have you ever got it to play an MP3 stream yet? |
| 20:04.35 | markt_ | yeah, works fine for me for playing mp3s |
| 20:04.49 | markt_ | ah, a stream :) |
| 20:04.57 | markt_ | sorry, hadn't noticed that key word :-) |
| 20:05.10 | markt_ | yeah, i've had it playing an mp3 stream |
| 20:05.15 | STrRedWolf | Oh? |
| 20:05.29 | markt_ | yeah, why, is it not working as you'd expect? |
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| 20:05.59 | STrRedWolf | Exactly. I'm plopping in a URL I know works (since it's a server I've set up and can get via XMMS on my Linux box), and it's not working. |
| 20:06.22 | markt_ | whassit say? |
| 20:06.32 | STrRedWolf | Absolutely nothing... |
| 20:06.35 | markt_ | is it a public url, or would i not be able to access it? |
| 20:07.32 | STrRedWolf | It's behind my firewall, but the music I'm relaying from is from Live365's servers. Wolfox Radio. |
| 20:07.46 | STrRedWolf | Hmmm.... that's odd, now my Linux box says it can't get at it. |
| 20:08.44 | STrRedWolf | There we go. The large rig has it. |
| 20:08.46 | STrRedWolf | Hmmm... |
| 20:09.00 | STrRedWolf | Now back to the Zaurus... |
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| 20:10.18 | markt_ | do you have a url? :-) |
| 20:10.46 | STrRedWolf | wolfox.werewolves.org for the station. Let me see if I can pull the server out... (It's actually *ON* the firewall) |
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| 20:19.21 | beattie | ibot ipkg |
| 20:19.22 | | extra, extra, read all about it, ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ or a piece of poop, or see the howto at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml |
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| 20:20.07 | beattie | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml not found |
| 20:20.07 | STrRedWolf | Someone needs to fix the bot. |
| 20:20.28 | STrRedWolf | http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 20:20.40 | kergoth | so fix it |
| 20:20.54 | markt_ | kergoth: if/when you're back from fetching your coffee could you help me with the following? i was expecting a base-modules ipk or something to be output from the kernel build i did - is there a further step to get that generated? |
| 20:21.08 | markt_ | ah, rehi :) |
| 20:22.09 | STrRedWolf | Hmmm... time to grab my port of Perl for the Zaurus and install it. |
| 20:22.11 | kergoth | ibot: no, ipkg is the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 20:22.12 | | okay, kergoth |
| 20:22.15 | kergoth | there |
| 20:22.19 | DocWhat | kergoth: Sorry, had to go to meeting. My /etc/oz_version is 3.1-rc3.2 |
| 20:22.24 | kergoth | markt_: it generates all the module ipks in output/ipks |
| 20:22.26 | DocWhat | Package: oz-base |
| 20:22.26 | DocWhat | Version: 3.1-rc3-8c.1 |
| 20:22.34 | markt_ | i have nothing in there tho :( |
| 20:22.34 | kergoth | okay.. |
| 20:22.35 | kergoth | and? |
| 20:22.37 | kergoth | thats an old oz-base |
| 20:22.41 | kergoth | current Version is 3.2-2 |
| 20:22.54 | kergoth | markt_: then you didnt enable ipkg-utils in host tools |
| 20:22.56 | DocWhat | oh...wait...*duh* |
| 20:23.11 | markt_ | aha, no i didn't - i disabled everything but the kernel! |
| 20:23.12 | kergoth | its monday |
| 20:23.13 | kergoth | we understand |
| 20:23.20 | kergoth | markt_: :) you cant build ipks without ipkg-utils |
| 20:23.27 | kergoth | enable it and run make |
| 20:23.28 | kergoth | it'll build em |
| 20:23.31 | DocWhat | kergoth: Yeah, the last 10 seconds was my entire day, in minature. |
| 20:23.33 | markt_ | i'll try and write a document which explains this kind of thing for newbies :) |
| 20:23.45 | kergoth | markt_: feel free to update docs/BUILD |
| 20:23.46 | beattie | is there a man page on ipkg, kergoth keeps telling people how to get it to relink previously installaed packages and rather than ask him again I'd like to RTFM :) |
| 20:23.56 | kergoth | well |
| 20:23.59 | kergoth | ipkg-link isnt part of ipkg |
| 20:24.04 | kergoth | its a tool written by a oz user :) |
| 20:24.11 | kergoth | ipkg-link --help will tell you all you need to know |
| 20:24.35 | nz | this is weird |
| 20:24.36 | markt_ | kergoth, you're great btw :-)) |
| 20:24.47 | kergoth | pfft |
| 20:24.51 | markt_ | hehe |
| 20:24.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:24.59 | nagROM | i wish you were my dad kergoth. |
| 20:25.04 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:25.04 | nz | the package manager downloads and then syas there was an error in the name resolution and exits |
| 20:25.11 | kergoth | nz: set your nameservers |
| 20:25.18 | nz | i have |
| 20:25.24 | kergoth | Harlekin: was about to test tslib again.. |
| 20:25.26 | nagROM | you aren't my dad are you? |
| 20:25.39 | STrRedWolf | I think the Network tab still doesn't set /etc/resolve.conf |
| 20:25.40 | kergoth | Harlekin: but then i flashed my c700 with a kernel and initrd.bin from a 5000d.. |
| 20:25.45 | kergoth | Harlekin: its one of those days |
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| 20:26.28 | kergoth | GRR |
| 20:26.33 | kergoth | every time my c700 starts opie |
| 20:26.34 | kergoth | it hangs |
| 20:26.37 | jcditz | Is there a HOWTO somewhere on how to get a WiFi card working with OZ? |
| 20:26.42 | kergoth | opie-login starts fine, but the launcher doesnt |
| 20:26.43 | kergoth | its weird |
| 20:26.51 | kergoth | jcditz: ? what do you need to know? |
| 20:26.51 | STrRedWolf | What type of Wifi, jcditz? |
| 20:26.53 | kergoth | run networksettings |
| 20:26.55 | kergoth | plug in values |
| 20:26.56 | kergoth | hit ok |
| 20:26.57 | kergoth | ta da |
| 20:27.03 | nz | does opie come with picogui ?? |
| 20:27.07 | kergoth | eh |
| 20:27.08 | nz | oz i mean* |
| 20:27.12 | kergoth | picogui is a seperate gui |
| 20:27.16 | kergoth | the packages arent in the feeds atm |
| 20:27.24 | kergoth | cause it wasnt compiling when we updated them |
| 20:27.44 | jcditz | kerg: Its connecting to my WAP, and lists wlan0 in Network, but it won't do anything. |
| 20:27.58 | kergoth | does ifconfig show an ip? |
| 20:28.06 | kergoth | does iwconfig show the mac of the AP, and correct essid? |
| 20:28.29 | nz | does installing software via qtopia desktop work with oz yet ?? |
| 20:28.49 | kergoth | doubtful |
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| 20:29.00 | kergoth | someone needs to try it while sniffing the network to see wtf its doing |
| 20:29.12 | the_hoser_ | is anyone any good with OZ networking here? |
| 20:29.26 | kergoth | no |
| 20:29.30 | kergoth | we all suck |
| 20:29.38 | the_hoser_ | krap! |
| 20:29.47 | kergoth | ask a stupid question ... |
| 20:29.47 | the_hoser_ | my pretec lan card wont work :( |
| 20:29.53 | kergoth | elaborate |
| 20:30.10 | the_hoser_ | it works with the sharp rom, but the OZ rom says its unsupported |
| 20:30.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:30.21 | kergoth | i addeed the pretec card entry prior to 3.2 release |
| 20:30.24 | kergoth | what version of oz? |
| 20:30.36 | the_hoser_ | when i plug the card in it says "Unsupported card" |
| 20:30.39 | the_hoser_ | 3.2 |
| 20:30.52 | treke | what card |
| 20:30.52 | jcditz | hmm... now I'm not connecting at all. |
| 20:30.54 | kergoth | there must be more than one pretec model around |
| 20:30.55 | treke | maybe its a new one |
| 20:30.56 | kergoth | what model? |
| 20:30.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:31.03 | kergoth | this is ethernet or wifi? |
| 20:31.09 | kergoth | email me the output of cardctl ident |
| 20:31.13 | the_hoser_ | ethernet |
| 20:31.15 | nz | arrrg |
| 20:31.19 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:31.26 | kergoth | yeah, i added the entry for the pretec wireless card |
| 20:31.27 | nz | wats up wid this!! |
| 20:31.34 | kergoth | send me the output of cardctl ident, i'll add its entry |
| 20:31.57 | the_hoser_ | ok will do |
| 20:32.06 | the_hoser_ | hold on |
| 20:32.09 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth |
| 20:32.09 | | from memory, kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 20:32.24 | STrRedWolf | Hmmm... |
| 20:33.19 | jcditz | weird, I was connected to the WAP earlier, now I can't seem to make a connection. |
| 20:35.07 | kergoth | Harlekin: this is driving me nuts |
| 20:36.07 | kergoth | bleh |
| 20:36.19 | the_hoser_ | i sent it |
| 20:36.23 | kergoth | thanks |
| 20:36.26 | Harlekin | kergoth: what this time? |
| 20:36.28 | kergoth | i assume that needs binding to pcnet_cs |
| 20:36.34 | kergoth | Harlekin: c700 has a weird console hang behavior |
| 20:36.41 | the_hoser_ | i think so... its ne2000 comatable |
| 20:36.41 | kergoth | Harlekin: sometimes tab completing into a certain dir hangs the unit |
| 20:36.44 | kergoth | Harlekin: and now.. |
| 20:36.47 | Harlekin | kergoth: qscollview has a misterious bug ,-) |
| 20:36.52 | kergoth | Harlekin: i can start opie-login fine, but it hangs starting the launcher! :( |
| 20:37.02 | Harlekin | kergoth: hmm |
| 20:37.05 | STrRedWolf | Hmmmm... yeah, I should. Where's my copy of VMware... |
| 20:37.07 | Harlekin | kergoth: any kernel output on serial? |
| 20:37.22 | kergoth | hm, should see if i can sysrq as well |
| 20:37.24 | jcditz | God I hate this wifi card. |
| 20:37.38 | the_hoser_ | lol... i hate wifi... so... |
| 20:37.55 | the_hoser_ | i work with it all day... and someone farts an the network goes down... sheesh |
| 20:37.58 | nz | i dont get it, sniff, i can ping my own ip from the pda and everything but i cant get the package list |
| 20:37.59 | nz | lol |
| 20:39.22 | nz | and i can see packets being downloaded in the connections properties |
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| 20:39.32 | jcditz | I've got my WiFi card physically touching the antenna on my WAP right now and it still can't make a connection. |
| 20:39.36 | Mantus | is your desktop set to be a gateway? |
| 20:39.44 | nz | yeah it is |
| 20:40.05 | Mantus | is it using dhcp? |
| 20:40.16 | the_hoser_ | jcditz: radio signals require 18" of space to 'mature' |
| 20:40.16 | nz | the error is temp error in name resolution |
| 20:40.24 | nz | no |
| 20:40.29 | nz | i setup the ip's manually |
| 20:40.29 | gaurdian | kergoth , do you know if the c700 syncs with Outlook ? |
| 20:40.49 | Mantus | o, did you clear eveything out of resolv.conf |
| 20:40.51 | gaurdian | or does anyone know if it does / |
| 20:40.57 | Mantus | b4 adding new nameserver |
| 20:41.07 | STrRedWolf | Tell me oh tell me there is an /etc/rc.local... |
| 20:41.17 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: nope. why do you need one? |
| 20:41.31 | nz | i just installed oz 3.2 so i didnt touch resolv.conf |
| 20:41.48 | jcditz | Mine's just being a jerk, it keeps imagine all these other WAPs that aren't there. |
| 20:41.50 | kergoth | nz: are the nameserver entries in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:41.50 | nz | i put the ftp detials in and did ipdown, ifup |
| 20:41.51 | Mantus | nz: if you dont use dhcp you need to edit the resolv.conf |
| 20:41.57 | STrRedWolf | I've created another Perl for Zaurus that lets you use it in Boa and Apache, kergoth. |
| 20:42.06 | Mantus | take out nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:42.06 | kergoth | Mantus: or put them in the graphical settings app |
| 20:42.17 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: okay, but what do you need to do on boot? |
| 20:42.26 | Mantus | kergoth: i found i still had to edit the resolv.conf |
| 20:42.39 | kergoth | ifup will edit it for you |
| 20:42.42 | STrRedWolf | It's in a cramfs now, taking up 3 megs. I'd like to remount whenever I have to reboot (which I hope is *NEVER*) |
| 20:42.45 | kergoth | using the changedns tool |
| 20:43.12 | STrRedWolf | Unless I create a init.d script for it. Hmmm. |
| 20:43.19 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: thatd be easiest |
| 20:43.30 | kergoth | echo '#!/bin/sh' > /etc/init.d/local |
| 20:43.32 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:43.34 | kergoth | etc |
| 20:43.39 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:44.04 | kergoth | maybe i'll add that. an empty local script, for people to add quirk and dirty commands ala rc.local |
| 20:44.08 | nz | ok trying now |
| 20:44.26 | STrRedWolf | More like /etc/init.d/zperl. |
| 20:44.42 | the_hoser_ | sounds like a good idea to me |
| 20:44.44 | DocWhat | kergoth: How about an rc.local.d that works like profiles.d does. |
| 20:44.52 | kergoth | DocWhat: for what? |
| 20:44.57 | kergoth | we already have init.d |
| 20:45.00 | DocWhat | for local hicks.... |
| 20:45.03 | DocWhat | hacks. |
| 20:45.17 | kergoth | 1) local hacks should never be necessary. if they are, theres a bug elsewhere |
| 20:45.17 | STrRedWolf | Oh... great. Vi. |
| 20:45.20 | DocWhat | no I mean you can drop individual files into the directory and they'll be executed on start. |
| 20:45.26 | DocWhat | okay. |
| 20:45.31 | kergoth | yes, but my point is, its overkill |
| 20:45.36 | kergoth | if thats necessary, you've got big problems |
| 20:45.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:46.07 | DocWhat | kergoth: Or I like customizing my Z. |
| 20:46.21 | kergoth | DocWhat: if you know what you're doing, you can customize all you like with an init.d script or two. |
| 20:46.23 | nz | thanks alot Mantus |
| 20:46.34 | kergoth | if you dont know what you're doing, you shouldnt be hacking that much in the first place |
| 20:47.05 | kergoth | it encourages people to bypass an already sane and working system |
| 20:47.09 | DocWhat | kergoth: Yeah, but we need to fix or do something about update-rc.d....updatercd is not as friendly and gives a weird message about a K0vnc already existing (keep in mind, I behind the times.) |
| 20:47.15 | kergoth | yes, i know |
| 20:47.17 | nz | looks like a new thing to put in the faqs kergoth |
| 20:47.26 | kergoth | we need to write an update-rc.d shell script |
| 20:47.29 | kergoth | the debian update-rc.d is perl |
| 20:47.47 | STrRedWolf | I'm creating a Perl package for that. |
| 20:47.53 | kergoth | nz: did ifup add the entry to resolv.conf? if you remove your entries, leave it alone, then run ifdown, then ifup |
| 20:47.56 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: ehh no. |
| 20:47.58 | kergoth | perl is fucking huge |
| 20:48.02 | kergoth | adn will _never_ be in the base roms |
| 20:48.06 | STrRedWolf | 3 megs? |
| 20:48.13 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:48.19 | the_hoser_ | too big... |
| 20:48.20 | kergoth | thats huge when you're talking a 16mb flash |
| 20:48.22 | STrRedWolf | Yeah, true. We need microperl. |
| 20:48.28 | kergoth | no, we dont |
| 20:48.30 | kergoth | we use shell in the rom |
| 20:48.35 | kergoth | if you want perl, you install perl |
| 20:48.36 | nz | u have to remove 127.0.0.1 from the resolv.conf like Mantus said |
| 20:48.38 | kergoth | but it will never be in the rom |
| 20:48.39 | nz | then it works |
| 20:48.44 | kergoth | nz: hmm k |
| 20:48.49 | kergoth | nz: write an faq, if you would. |
| 20:49.01 | nz | sure |
| 20:49.03 | kergoth | thanks |
| 20:49.05 | nz | heading over to website now |
| 20:49.17 | kergoth | DocWhat: you want to write up update-rc.d shell version, or should i? |
| 20:49.48 | kergoth | the_hoser_: got the entry, adding it |
| 20:50.38 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: hmm... just out of curiosity... when could the rom with the new entry be downloaded? im in no real rush... just wondering... |
| 20:50.45 | kergoth | you can add it yourself |
| 20:50.50 | icefox | wow Peter Arnett was fired |
| 20:50.51 | kergoth | and i wont uplaod a new rom just for this |
| 20:50.52 | the_hoser_ | oh... really? |
| 20:50.55 | icefox | http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/stories/2003040104210100.htm |
| 20:50.56 | the_hoser_ | ij |
| 20:50.59 | kergoth | the fixed ipk will go into unstable |
| 20:51.03 | the_hoser_ | well... that makes sinse |
| 20:51.05 | kergoth | along with every other fix made after a release |
| 20:51.05 | the_hoser_ | sense |
| 20:51.15 | kergoth | the_hoser_: vi /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 20:51.16 | the_hoser_ | heh... yeah... |
| 20:51.42 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:51.43 | gaurdian | icefox , can you tell me if the c700 (with english conversions) will sync with outlook like the 5500/5600 ? |
| 20:51.48 | kergoth | its a really slight difference in the version line |
| 20:51.50 | kergoth | the_hoser_ |
| 20:52.02 | kergoth | theres an existing PRETEC entry, but yours reads 3.30, not 3.3V |
| 20:52.18 | icefox | gaurdian: int theory it was work as well at the 5500 did |
| 20:52.37 | gaurdian | in theory ..how about in practice ? |
| 20:52.41 | icefox | of course I think it uses differnt sync software that is incompatible |
| 20:52.44 | icefox | never tried it |
| 20:52.45 | nz | done |
| 20:52.49 | gaurdian | ahh..... |
| 20:52.53 | icefox | the sync on the z is pretty misserable |
| 20:53.20 | gaurdian | well, syncing on the 5500 works fine here.. |
| 20:53.25 | kergoth | the_hoser_: if you change it, and restart pcmcia or reboot, it'll pick up the card |
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| 20:55.38 | DocWhat | kergoth: regarding the shell update-rc.d .... uh... can it require bash? |
| 20:56.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:56.26 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:56.36 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.45 | kergoth | no fancy bashisms |
| 20:56.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:57.02 | DocWhat | Can't we just use the tinyperl? |
| 20:57.17 | the_hoser_ | no go :( lan card is still unsupported when i insert it |
| 20:57.28 | kergoth | the_hoser_: sounds like you didnt restart pcmcia |
| 20:57.38 | kergoth | you changed 3.3V to 3.30 in the pretec entry? |
| 20:57.46 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: i restarted the zaurus... |
| 20:57.48 | kergoth | in /etc/pcmcia/config? |
| 20:57.53 | the_hoser_ | aye |
| 20:57.55 | kergoth | run /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 20:57.58 | kergoth | eject card |
| 20:57.59 | kergoth | insert card |
| 20:58.00 | kergoth | logread |
| 20:58.02 | DocWhat | kergoth: It looks like it'd be tinyperl safe.... |
| 20:58.07 | kergoth | you'll see what cardmgr picks up |
| 20:58.19 | nz | is there currently no way to update oz from previous version other then flashing ?? |
| 20:58.33 | kergoth | nz: technically you can upgrade packages via ipkg, but ipkg blows so it probably wont work |
| 20:58.42 | kergoth | nz: and you cant upgrade kernel via ipkg, you must flash kernel regardless |
| 20:58.47 | kergoth | the recommendation is to flash. |
| 20:58.48 | nz | k |
| 20:58.57 | nz | thats what i did |
| 20:59.15 | kergoth | DocWhat: no perl, no bash, posix /bin/sh. the script isnt all that complecated |
| 20:59.37 | DocWhat | *sigh* Yeah, but I suck at getting stuff 100% posix /bin/sh |
| 20:59.47 | nz | but it's pretty annoying to have to reload software :) |
| 21:00.00 | Mantus | anyone know off hand how many mAh a D cell NiMH has? |
| 21:00.02 | DocWhat | Then there is the fact that some things that work in ash don't work in bash (because of stupidness on bash's part) |
| 21:00.04 | kergoth | nz: buy an sd/mmc card |
| 21:00.16 | kergoth | nz: :) |
| 21:00.28 | kergoth | packages installed to a external media dont need to be reinstalled after flashign, just relinked |
| 21:00.50 | nz | i have a 128mb cf card |
| 21:01.20 | nz | so if i install there, and i remove the card, and put it back the apps will still work ?? |
| 21:01.35 | nz | without me having to do anything |
| 21:01.37 | kergoth | yes, they'll work when the card is inserted |
| 21:02.07 | nz | heh, i should install to the card, but that means less mp3 for me :) |
| 21:02.21 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 21:02.44 | the_hoser_ | hang on... |
| 21:02.57 | kergoth | the_hoser_: err, then your card already had an entry.. |
| 21:03.03 | nz | hmzz, if i install everything to cf, then it'd be a bterr idea to allocate 64mb to ram |
| 21:03.08 | nz | hmmz i'll think bout it |
| 21:03.08 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: yeah |
| 21:03.24 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: im changing it back |
| 21:03.37 | kergoth | the_hoser_: check cardmgr messages in logread after doing so |
| 21:03.41 | kergoth | (and rebooting of course) |
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| 21:03.43 | nz | or, i can put mp3 on the 32mb and keep apps on the cf |
| 21:04.22 | STrRedWolf | There we go. |
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| 21:05.33 | nz | are there any themes for oz ?? |
| 21:05.46 | kergoth | nz: uh, it comes with a bunch already |
| 21:05.50 | kergoth | but yes |
| 21:06.05 | kergoth | you can install opie-theme and then use any kde 2.x themes |
| 21:06.14 | kergoth | and theres color scheme sand the like on opie-look |
| 21:06.17 | kergoth | linked to off of opie.info/ |
| 21:06.20 | Laze | nz: Im working on making a OZ theme, i have made the wallpaper already, see it at: http://www.jemi.dk/!zaurus/wallpaper.png |
| 21:06.45 | nz | cool |
| 21:07.08 | kergoth | Laze: your mime types are off, phoenix called it an exe :) |
| 21:07.13 | kergoth | cool background btw |
| 21:07.29 | Laze | nz: Use the the liquid theme with it, it looks ok! |
| 21:07.37 | STrRedWolf | Laze: Is it sending as application/octet-stream? Mozilla 1.3 asked to save it. |
| 21:07.43 | kergoth | STrRedWolf: hehe |
| 21:07.47 | Laze | Kergoth: Not mine server, just a webhost.. |
| 21:08.22 | STrRedWolf | Ok, Perl-in-a-cramfs. http://w3.mivlmd.cablespeed.com/~tygris/zperl/ |
| 21:09.25 | Laze | Damm - it's nice to be back on IRC, my company installed new firewalls and proxys, but... :-) |
| 21:09.27 | nz | hmmz, is there a way to get opiemedia player to work while the pda is suspended ?? |
| 21:09.35 | kergoth | nz: impossible |
| 21:09.39 | nz | thats would be a nice feature |
| 21:09.42 | kergoth | cant do anything while its suspended |
| 21:09.44 | nz | oh well |
| 21:09.48 | kergoth | you can have it turn off the LCD |
| 21:09.50 | kergoth | but not suspend |
| 21:09.53 | nz | yeah i normally do that |
| 21:10.20 | Laze | kergoth: have you denied the transfer yet? |
| 21:10.42 | kergoth | i'm firewalled laze, i cant accept dcc |
| 21:11.12 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: i posted in #flood |
| 21:11.32 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: er... will post |
| 21:11.33 | kergoth | i'm not in flood atm.. /me joins |
| 21:11.39 | kergoth | k |
| 21:12.11 | nz | how much space does zgcc take ?? |
| 21:13.18 | STrRedWolf | 20 megs |
| 21:13.34 | Laze | Kergoth: I have completed the paypal transfer :-) |
| 21:13.56 | STrRedWolf | A cramfs of it takes 5. |
| 21:14.04 | kergoth | i should really get off my ass and verify my paypal account |
| 21:14.18 | nz | cramfs ?? i dont know what that is |
| 21:14.19 | kergoth | the_hoser_: that doesnt make any sense |
| 21:14.27 | kergoth | the_hoser_: cardmgr dumps the exact version string thats in config.. |
| 21:14.33 | STrRedWolf | Compressed loopbacked file system. |
| 21:14.48 | nz | ooo,loads of cannot create symlink errors when installing to cf card |
| 21:15.05 | nz | does the cf card neeed to by ext3 ?? |
| 21:15.16 | STrRedWolf | ext2 |
| 21:15.21 | kergoth | you cant install apps that need symlinks, or libraries to a card that isnt ext2 |
| 21:15.30 | nz | hmmz |
| 21:16.04 | nz | how do i make make my cf card ext2 ?? |
| 21:16.23 | kergoth | if you do that, you cant flash with that card |
| 21:16.36 | djr | my sd card arrives tomorrow... then i can dedicate all 64mb to memory :) |
| 21:16.45 | Laze | kergoth: do you know why the cardctl ident reports the same for D-Link 660W and the Zcomax card? |
| 21:16.45 | nz | or use it in wondows |
| 21:16.55 | kergoth | Laze: because they have the same manfid |
| 21:17.04 | kergoth | Laze: its the same card, just oem'd |
| 21:17.32 | Laze | kergoth: ok, so there is no way to make the system to see the difference between them? |
| 21:17.39 | kergoth | WHAT difference? |
| 21:17.44 | nz | i wont need to flash for a while, so hell lets make it ext2 |
| 21:17.46 | kergoth | the only difference is the fucking label on the card |
| 21:17.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:17.53 | kergoth | no, theres no way to see the difference |
| 21:17.57 | nz | so how do i do it ?? |
| 21:18.12 | kergoth | nz: read the card howto on doc.zaurus.com |
| 21:18.19 | Laze | kergoth: Now you better what's your language, hi hi hahah - saw it on the mailing list.. |
| 21:18.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:18.26 | nz | tnx |
| 21:18.37 | kergoth | i always find it amusing when people get upset at my attitude or language |
| 21:18.37 | djr | what was the file in /etc to change the name of the cards? |
| 21:18.39 | kergoth | they take it personally |
| 21:18.48 | Laze | nz: http://docs.zaurus.com/ |
| 21:18.49 | kergoth | they dont understand, its jsut my way |
| 21:19.07 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: um... i dunno... heh... |
| 21:19.12 | kergoth | if someone does something stupid, i'll call em on it |
| 21:19.18 | kergoth | and i dont mind if someone does the same for me |
| 21:19.21 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:19.25 | Laze | Laze: I know, i have the same problem with my spoken language at work :-) |
| 21:19.25 | djr | kergoth: we have a penis... its not just you... its our nature... :D |
| 21:19.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:19.48 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is also an asshole |
| 21:19.49 | | kergoth: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 21:19.49 | | kergoth: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:19.55 | kergoth | ~fishslap ibot |
| 21:20.00 | | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:20.00 | djr | gg |
| 21:20.35 | Laze | djr: your pretty sure everyone in here i male? Damm, i only in here because i thought all the cool chicks were in here.. |
| 21:20.54 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:20.59 | kergoth | we used to have one female that dropped in |
| 21:21.11 | kergoth | until she overheard us guys talking at 2am on a friday night.. |
| 21:21.13 | kergoth | then she left |
| 21:21.15 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:21.17 | djr | kergoth: anyway... you should include the faq as a text doc w/oz... that way people will see it and read it |
| 21:21.20 | djr | eehe |
| 21:22.24 | Laze | FAQ #123423: Q:Why is the lanquage so rude? A: Kergoth and every one with a penis is an asshole.. |
| 21:22.36 | kergoth | aha |
| 21:22.46 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: im confused :-P |
| 21:23.07 | kergoth | the_hoser_: as am i. i wish your cardctl info reported manfid |
| 21:23.13 | kergoth | its a lot more accurate than using the version string |
| 21:24.29 | Laze | kergoth & the_hoser_: easy solution: Wark into the store you bought it and say "cardctl info doesn't reports any manfid - give me a new one!" |
| 21:24.35 | Laze | Wark=Walk |
| 21:24.53 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:24.59 | kergoth | the salesperson would have no idea wtf we're talking about |
| 21:25.01 | kergoth | thats always fun |
| 21:25.16 | the_hoser_ | kergoth: manfid= 0000,0000 |
| 21:25.18 | the_hoser_ | heh |
| 21:25.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:26.47 | chouimat | boring |
| 21:27.05 | the_hoser_ | bah! this is insane... i spent $100 on this stoopid card... worked with the sharp rom... only problem is that sharp rom sucks... |
| 21:27.27 | STrRedWolf | And opieIrC crashed. heh. |
| 21:27.41 | kergoth | hey cool |
| 21:27.45 | kergoth | http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3352.html |
| 21:27.46 | kergoth | jheh |
| 21:28.01 | kergoth | the_hoser_: i dont get it.. if the card entry exists, it should just work.. i'm confused |
| 21:28.42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:28.59 | kergoth | the_hoser_: is there anything diffferent? a single character? capitalization? |
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| 21:29.19 | chouimat | ljp_work: hi |
| 21:30.23 | ljp_work | yo, what up g? |
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| 21:31.53 | the_hoser_ | WOOT! when it said 10baseT in the definition, it should have said 10BaseT... heh... you might want to change that in the unstable branch... heh |
| 21:31.57 | ljp_work | that was a fast nap |
| 21:32.10 | chouimat | ljp_work: bah! |
| 21:32.11 | kergoth | the_hoser_: aha |
| 21:36.54 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
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| 21:45.30 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: http://command.com |
| 21:46.32 | yakito | is there a faq about how to format a CF to have vfat and ext2 partitions. fdisk gives me bus error on oz 3.2 |
| 21:47.54 | nz | does opie-remote work ?? |
| 21:48.01 | kergoth | yakito: grab fdisk from zsi |
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| 21:49.38 | Mantus | anyone used lirc/opie-remote with the z? |
| 21:50.16 | nagROM | good question. |
| 21:50.22 | nagROM | i need a remote control |
| 21:50.25 | TheMasterMind1 | Mantus: yes |
| 21:50.37 | nz | i tried it b4 but couldnt get it to work |
| 21:50.39 | JasonNJ | welp, ben has left the building |
| 21:50.52 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:50.58 | Mantus | TheMasterMind1: does it work? |
| 21:51.02 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 21:51.08 | Mantus | excellent |
| 21:51.31 | chouimat | JasonNJ: huh? |
| 21:51.34 | nagROM | does lirc come with oz or do i need to download the lirc packages? |
| 21:51.38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:51.40 | TheMasterMind1 | lirc comes with oz |
| 21:51.45 | TheMasterMind1 | but current packages are borken |
| 21:51.47 | kergoth | we still need to update its packages |
| 21:51.47 | nz | does lirc work on stable ?? |
| 21:51.47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:51.51 | TheMasterMind1 | the one on zsi is newer |
| 21:51.56 | TheMasterMind1 | and has a few patches etc |
| 21:51.58 | TheMasterMind1 | so use that |
| 21:52.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i pushed a fix for lirc ipk yesterday, the depends were screwed up |
| 21:52.26 | TheMasterMind1 | no word from the guy with the patch yet |
| 21:52.29 | TheMasterMind1 | might have to patch it myself |
| 21:53.39 | nz | heh, the package manger sucks |
| 21:53.47 | nz | it doesnt download dependencies auto |
| 21:53.59 | nz | sniff |
| 21:54.05 | nz | we need apt-get for oz |
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| 21:54.14 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:54.19 | kergoth | ipkg does download dependencies |
| 21:54.44 | nz | mine just says canot match dependency and then quits |
| 21:54.53 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:54.59 | kergoth | if it cant find it, its not avaialble in the feeds. |
| 21:55.08 | nz | ah |
| 21:55.19 | kergoth | whats it erroring on? |
| 21:55.32 | nz | i tried to install lirc on stable |
| 21:55.32 | TheMasterMind1 | the lirc in stable has a bad control file |
| 21:55.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:55.37 | TheMasterMind1 | as i mentioned above |
| 21:55.42 | kergoth | right right |
| 21:55.48 | TheMasterMind1 | depends on kernel-modules-VERSION |
| 21:55.49 | nz | said it couldnt find kernel-modules* |
| 21:56.03 | TheMasterMind1 | nz: get it from ZSI |
| 21:56.14 | nz | zsi ?? whats the url ?? |
| 21:56.21 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 21:56.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot zsi |
| 21:56.27 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 21:56.29 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 21:56.30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:56.32 | TheMasterMind1 | font color red |
| 21:56.36 | TheMasterMind1 | thats great |
| 21:56.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:56.46 | kergoth | thats funny |
| 21:56.50 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 21:57.10 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 21:57.15 | TheMasterMind1 | wellenreiter is shaping up |
| 21:57.21 | kergoth | indeed |
| 21:57.24 | yakito | Could somebody verify if the steps to make two partitions on CF follow are 1) make partitions with fdisk 2) mkfs fat /dev/hda1 3) mkfs ext2 /dev/hda2 4)edit ftab 5 ) edit /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts .I dont use to modify partitions once they are done :P |
| 21:57.35 | kergoth | yakito: thats correct |
| 21:58.20 | nz | dam |
| 21:58.34 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: whats wrong with it? |
| 21:58.35 | nz | konqe just failed to sim link |
| 21:58.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: add pingi to the new OZ entry |
| 21:59.09 | kergoth | I need to make a decision on color scheme for the oe logo |
| 21:59.11 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: it's mailing out the <font color="red">openzaurus</font> out to the people on the zaurus-software-mailinglist |
| 21:59.23 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:59.35 | yakito | kergoth_thanks :D |
| 21:59.37 | Net | where in the FAQ is info on serial ppp with OZ ? I don't seem to find it |
| 21:59.37 | yakito | testing :P |
| 21:59.46 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: oops |
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| 22:01.03 | yakito | could be that images are greater than 14.1 Mb + 900Kb = 15 Mb . I ask it to know how bigger should I do the fat partition |
| 22:01.40 | yakito | sorry just typing too fast : could be the OZ images greater than 14.1 Mb + 900Kb = 15 Mb . I ask it to know how bigger should I do the fat partition |
| 22:02.02 | kergoth | you can flash zImage and initrd.bin independently if you have to |
| 22:02.26 | nz | yakito can u give me the url for that cf card howto u where reading earlier |
| 22:02.49 | yakito | no howto : just imagination :P |
| 22:02.54 | DocWhat | kergoth: I ran out of space, and ipkg didn't stop. |
| 22:03.02 | kergoth | DocWhat: ipkg blows |
| 22:03.05 | DocWhat | Now I have a bunch of munged packages. :_( |
| 22:03.06 | nz | oh, does ur idea work ?? |
| 22:03.30 | DocWhat | What's really annoying, is that they don't have 'zero length files' or something else I can hunt for. :-( |
| 22:03.33 | nz | and does it allow flashing |
| 22:03.35 | kergoth | i can enable irda fine |
| 22:03.40 | yakito | kergoth: just I want to have space for flashing from the fat partition on the CF |
| 22:03.44 | kergoth | oh, you said idea |
| 22:03.45 | kergoth | not irda |
| 22:03.46 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:03.47 | yakito | nz: I hope so :D |
| 22:03.50 | kergoth | god its monday alright |
| 22:03.58 | nz | pls let me know if it works |
| 22:04.09 | nz | i'd love to do that with my cf card |
| 22:04.16 | yakito | nz: kergoth has said me that this is the correct way :P |
| 22:04.24 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:04.34 | nz | cool |
| 22:04.42 | kergoth | ~lart my c700 |
| 22:04.49 | nz | i using an xp machine |
| 22:04.56 | nz | it wont let me fdisk, lol |
| 22:05.00 | nz | can i use the z to do it ?? |
| 22:05.09 | kergoth | yes, get fdisk from zsi |
| 22:05.30 | kergoth | ibot: zsi fdiks |
| 22:05.34 | kergoth | ibot: zsi fdisk |
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| 22:05.47 | yakito | I will make a howto and send it to the oz mailing list :P |
| 22:05.58 | nagROM | does lirc come with oz? |
| 22:05.58 | kergoth | cool. submit it as an faq on openzaurus.org too |
| 22:06.06 | kergoth | nagROM: its in the feeds, but the package is hosed atm |
| 22:06.41 | nagROM | ahh. thanks. |
| 22:06.50 | nagROM | just realized that when i tried to use the remote. |
| 22:06.54 | markt_ | kergoth: yay, i've got my patched kernel to build with module packages and everything :) |
| 22:07.08 | kergoth | markt_: nice. buildroot's pretty spiffy once you get the basics down |
| 22:07.12 | kergoth | its still a big hack, but it works |
| 22:07.14 | markt_ | what's an easy way to inspect the contents of an ipkg? |
| 22:07.24 | yakito | kergoth: one question about partitions. fat is primary partition and with file type 4 |
| 22:07.25 | markt_ | an ipk, i should say |
| 22:07.35 | yakito | but the ext2 should be primary o extended |
| 22:07.42 | markt_ | yeah, works good, will be more pleased once i've installed something to my Z (and it works :-)) |
| 22:08.14 | nz | yakito send me the faq 2 |
| 22:08.37 | yakito | [nz] I have still to write it :P |
| 22:08.44 | Mantus | TheMasterMind1: i get a "couldnt connect to socket" error from opie-remote when using lirc from ZSI (0.6.6-zaurus1) |
| 22:09.02 | yakito | here it is 0:08 going to sleep on some minutes |
| 22:09.43 | markt_ | kergoth: ignore me, i should google :) |
| 22:10.03 | TheMasterMind1 | Mantus: you gotta config it and stuff. read the docs on it |
| 22:10.14 | yakito | please help ;) second partition should be primary or extended :) |
| 22:10.28 | kergoth | yakito: up to you |
| 22:11.16 | yakito | using windows make me dumb. I have used fdisk a lot, but now I do not remember which are the differences :O |
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| 22:13.22 | markt_ | this seems to work quite well: ar pf some.ipk data.tar.gz | tar tz |
| 22:13.39 | markt_ | and on that note, i shall bid you all goodnight |
| 22:13.45 | kergoth | markt_: yeah, i have that as a shell function in my bashrc! |
| 22:13.47 | kergoth | markt_: :D |
| 22:13.52 | markt_ | lol, cool :) |
| 22:13.58 | kergoth | night |
| 22:14.07 | markt_ | yeah, guess i'll be back soon :-D |
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| 22:14.14 | icefox | hehe |
| 22:14.15 | markt_ | thanks for all your help |
| 22:14.40 | yakito | linux native is = to ext2 ? |
| 22:14.49 | kergoth | for partition type? |
| 22:14.50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:15.20 | yakito | shit, I have been 5 minutes rereading the small letters :P |
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| 22:23.35 | yakito | it seems it works |
| 22:23.46 | yakito | [nz] it works :P |
| 22:23.56 | yakito | now it remains to configure to automount |
| 22:24.18 | yakito | I will finish it tomorrow and will send a howto to the list and to openzarus.org |
| 22:24.25 | kergoth | cool :) |
| 22:24.31 | nz | ok |
| 22:24.38 | nz | i'm just making the partitions now |
| 22:24.50 | nz | making primay partition to ext3 |
| 22:24.55 | nz | and extended to fat |
| 22:24.56 | kergoth | uh |
| 22:24.58 | yakito | not |
| 22:25.01 | kergoth | oz doesnt support ext3 ;) |
| 22:25.01 | yakito | ext2 |
| 22:25.05 | nz | ex2 |
| 22:25.05 | yakito | ext3 does not work |
| 22:25.06 | nz | i mean |
| 22:25.07 | nz | hehe |
| 22:25.09 | kergoth | we're on an old as dirt kernel |
| 22:25.50 | nz | heh |
| 22:26.08 | yakito | going to sleep. I will sleep fine now that I have make two partitions :D |
| 22:26.14 | yakito | ciao |
| 22:26.16 | kergoth | night |
| 22:27.08 | _Psycho | heya |
| 22:27.19 | nz | time to format |
| 22:27.27 | chouimat | kergoth: can you kick George-? |
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| 22:31.41 | nz | should the first drive me fat or ex2 |
| 22:31.51 | nz | doesnt matter right ?? |
| 22:32.04 | kergoth | hda1 needs to be vfat |
| 22:32.09 | kergoth | make the second one ext2 |
| 22:32.14 | nz | ok |
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| 22:44.31 | nz | whats the id no for fat |
| 22:44.37 | nz | it's hard to read on the z |
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| 22:50.13 | Dessimat0r | wear glasses |
| 22:50.47 | nz | lol |
| 22:50.54 | nz | trying google |
| 22:54.37 | nz | dam all these howto's |
| 22:57.07 | nz | cant find a list of the codes |
| 23:17.54 | nz | hey kergoth |
| 23:18.54 | nz | i have a 64mb fat partition now, but i cant get the other 64mb to ext2 |
| 23:19.07 | kergoth | what do you mean? |
| 23:19.14 | nz | when i do mkfs ext2 /dev/hda2 i get an error saying |
| 23:19.18 | nz | bad block count |
| 23:19.34 | nz | i changed fstab |
| 23:19.42 | kergoth | did you create the second as primary or logical/extended? |
| 23:19.49 | nz | primary |
| 23:19.58 | kergoth | should work fine then |
| 23:20.02 | kergoth | i've never done this |
| 23:20.06 | kergoth | i just know how it should work |
| 23:20.42 | nz | i changed fstab, have 2 entied now cf1 and cf2 |
| 23:20.54 | nz | cf1 mount /hda1 and cf2 does the other |
| 23:21.06 | nz | just need to format the other to ext2 |
| 23:21.09 | nz | blah |
| 23:25.21 | nz | ok sweet i got it working |
| 23:25.34 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:25.48 | nz | i'm silli, i forgot to do -t ext2, i just did mkfs ext2 |
| 23:26.07 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:26.35 | nz | i copied the fstab entry that was there for cf, that will work ok for both the drives right ?? |
| 23:26.59 | kergoth | should |
| 23:27.03 | kergoth | did you edit ide.opts? |
| 23:27.30 | nz | not yet |
| 23:27.35 | nz | not sure what to put there |
| 23:28.32 | kergoth | hit up the openzaurus-users mailing list archives |
| 23:28.40 | kergoth | this was discussed recently |
| 23:28.55 | kergoth | hm, we should get the openzaurus lists onto marc.theaimsgroup.com |
| 23:28.58 | kergoth | then it'll be searchable easily |
| 23:29.47 | nz | is that on the oz site ?? |
| 23:30.04 | kergoth | sf.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 23:30.09 | kergoth | click on mailing lists |
| 23:31.52 | nz | which list ?? |
| 23:32.05 | kergoth | 17:29 <@kergoth> hit up the openzaurus-users mailing list archives |
| 23:32.09 | kergoth | ^^^ |
| 23:32.13 | nz | cvs logs mailing list |
| 23:32.19 | kergoth | what? |
| 23:32.19 | nz | that 1 ?? |
| 23:32.20 | kergoth | read what i say. |
| 23:32.24 | kergoth | 17:29 <@kergoth> hit up the openzaurus-users mailing list archives |
| 23:32.25 | nz | there are 4 lists |
| 23:32.27 | kergoth | maybe third time's the sharp |
| 23:32.30 | kergoth | ccharm |
| 23:32.33 | kergoth | OPENZAURUS-USERS |
| 23:32.35 | kergoth | !@%#!^%@#! |
| 23:32.39 | nz | sorry sorry |
| 23:33.29 | *** join/#openembedded kennyj (kennyj@210.121.33.65.cfl.rr.com) |
| 23:33.49 | nz | found it :p |
| 23:34.34 | kennyj | just wanted to say that my Z is rocking with OZ 3.2. That is all. ^_^ |
| 23:34.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:34.45 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 23:34.51 | nz | yeah i like 3.2 |
| 23:35.17 | kergoth | i'm pretty happy with the 3.2 release. its a lot more stable than any of the previous releases |
| 23:35.21 | kergoth | opie is coming along nicely |
| 23:37.03 | kennyj | I'm loving the non-sucky on-the-fly rotation. :) |
| 23:37.22 | *** join/#openembedded TomD____ (~TomD@harr-d-066.resnet.purdue.edu) |
| 23:38.16 | kennyj | I'll make a point of hanging around here... let me know when you have a working 2.4.19 or whatever kernel with that SD wrapper you're working on, and I'll be happy to put it through all kinds of abuse for you. :) |
| 23:38.46 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:38.51 | kergoth | definately need testers |
| 23:38.56 | kergoth | we need a beta test program or something |
| 23:39.00 | kergoth | and a documented test plan |
| 23:41.59 | kennyj | I'd help come up with one, but I'm busy doing hella research for my job... |
| 23:43.18 | kennyj | gotta come up with a file sharing server, gotta be prepared to do it in either OpenBSD or Win2k by Wed, gotta be prepared to push for the *nix solution since my boss wants Winblows, and I also have to be an expert on BellSouth and Sprint DSL routers by the end of the week too. |
| 23:43.23 | kennyj | Gonna be fun. :) |
| 23:43.30 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 23:44.32 | kennyj | maybe if I'm lucky I'll have a functional computer other than the half-borked 5-year-old DEC server sitting in my office by then, too. That, or I'll have VNC working at home so I can fake it. :) |
| 23:44.34 | nz | still look for the thread |
| 23:45.02 | kergoth | nz: doesnt sourceforge's mailing list interface suck? |
| 23:45.55 | nz | kinda |
| 23:45.58 | nz | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1845847&forum_id=11798 |
| 23:46.07 | nz | is it this one kergoth?? |
| 23:46.19 | kergoth | nope |
| 23:46.22 | kergoth | hold |
| 23:46.44 | nz | k |
| 23:47.00 | nz | will oz ever be bigger then 16mb ?? |
| 23:47.43 | kergoth | the base image wont be |
| 23:47.48 | kergoth | it already is, in the feeds |
| 23:47.51 | kergoth | if you install all of opie.. |
| 23:47.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:49.11 | nz | hehe |
| 23:49.18 | nz | still looking for that thread |
| 23:49.37 | kennyj | that's why I do the whole /opt & /home & /root on SD thing. 128M as long as it doesn't go in /usr. ^)^ |
| 23:49.40 | kennyj | grr ^_^ |
| 23:49.50 | kennyj | I hate it when emotes get borked... stupid fingers |
| 23:50.35 | nz | heh |
| 23:52.15 | nz | i think i'll stick wid fat for now |
| 23:52.44 | nz | i'll wait till yakito finishes the faq |
| 23:53.52 | nz | but i dont want to |
| 23:53.53 | nz | sniff |
| 23:59.42 | nz | hey kergoth, why do u need to edit ide.opts anyways ?? |
