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| 00:14.32 | numatrix | ~seen killefiz |
| 00:14.32 | | i haven't seen 'killefiz ', numatrix |
| 00:16.07 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: hey you around |
| 00:17.59 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: the zsi "new" thing on top.. could you put oz 3.2 in there :D |
| 00:21.50 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: It was kinda a hack; he basically set the date in the future and made the font red. |
| 00:22.16 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I can temporarily make it do that until killefiz sets the date in the front by approving the other apps, and then always making a 'change' to OZ and then approving that as well. |
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| 00:24.15 | mchang | howdy folks |
| 00:26.06 | mchang | anyone home? |
| 00:26.11 | yeiazel | no |
| 00:26.11 | yeiazel | :) |
| 00:26.14 | mchang | :) |
| 00:26.26 | mchang | trying to get a dlink dcf-660w working |
| 00:26.45 | numatrix | kergoth`bbl: fyi, I updated the psifertex mirror; plus, grabbed the stable feed and archived it as well. Sorry for the delay. Been closing on a condo the last few days. Just spent all day working in the yard of it. Pretty happy. |
| 00:26.55 | numatrix | mchang: in 3.2? |
| 00:26.59 | mchang | numatrix: yep |
| 00:27.06 | numatrix | mchang: what doesn't work about it? |
| 00:27.14 | mchang | numatrix: just read something on the web that says i need to iwconfig instead of using the applet |
| 00:27.33 | numatrix | mchang: entirely possible, though that might have been an old faq entry; I'm not sure if that's fixed in 3.2 since I haven't updated myself yet. |
| 00:28.01 | mchang | numatrix: will try now -- the dmesg says can't read the WEP something or other. |
| 00:28.04 | mchang | trying... |
| 00:28.32 | numatrix | mchang: hmm, dunno. I've got a 650 that I use without wep, though I haven't flashed 3.2 yet. I should sometime this weekend. |
| 00:28.42 | numatrix | At least one person on hte lists got his 660 working in 3.2 |
| 00:35.25 | mchang | numatrix: where is the list that you saw this on? does it have archives? |
| 00:37.34 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone seen this |
| 00:37.36 | TheMasterMind1 | http://map.from.net/ |
| 00:37.40 | TheMasterMind1 | its java based |
| 00:37.45 | TheMasterMind1 | uses vector data |
| 00:37.49 | TheMasterMind1 | that you can download from their site |
| 00:37.58 | TheMasterMind1 | and it even works with garmin tracks and waypoints |
| 00:41.21 | numatrix | mchang: openzaurus users, I believe, and yes. |
| 00:41.43 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I put OZ as the top entry; if I see it go below the top spot, I'll kick it back up. |
| 00:43.00 | HCl | 3.2..hmm |
| 00:43.14 | HCl | nite |
| 00:43.19 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: heh cool |
| 00:44.01 | TheMasterMind1 | where do i get the new sdl sfcave from |
| 00:44.05 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sfcave |
| 00:44.06 | | sfcave is, like, http://sfcave.com or http://sfcave.com/zaurus.php or http://andyq.myby.co.uk/ |
| 00:45.51 | mchang | i think the dcf-660w is busted |
| 00:48.12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:48.12 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 00:48.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i want the new sfcave! |
| 00:48.21 | kergoth`bbl | ahaha it always amuses me when people take offense at my attitude or language |
| 00:48.39 | kergoth`bbl | If you are going to treat the community like this, you can |
| 00:48.39 | kergoth`bbl | go and eat it. |
| 00:48.49 | kergoth`bbl | lol |
| 00:49.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: where do i get the sdl sfcave |
| 00:49.22 | kergoth`bbl | its in opie cvs, build it |
| 00:49.38 | kergoth`bbl | prob is, you cant have opie depend on libsdl-qte, and libsdl-qte depend on opie both :) |
| 00:49.42 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 00:49.44 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid thing |
| 00:49.53 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 00:50.06 | numatrix | kergoth`bbl: ;-) You see my response? |
| 00:50.39 | numatrix | Definitely the funniest part about that whole thing was the guys addition of 'go and eat it'. |
| 00:51.36 | kergoth`bbl | yeah saw that |
| 00:51.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl: can i build it via the buildroot? |
| 00:51.46 | kergoth`bbl | funny stuff |
| 00:51.54 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: build opie, then build libsdl-qte |
| 00:51.58 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:52.26 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: then make sure sfcave is enabled in packages/opie/defconfig |
| 00:52.36 | numatrix | then build opie again? |
| 00:53.26 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: then rm -f stamps/.opie.binary and build opie again |
| 00:53.27 | kergoth`bbl | yep |
| 00:53.41 | TheMasterMind1 | nice and efficient |
| 00:53.47 | numatrix | that's pretty funny |
| 00:53.49 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 00:54.27 | numatrix | fyi, kergoth, don't know if you saw the chatter above, but I updated the zaurii mirror, and also, OZ is at the top of ZSI where it belongs, though killefiz has to do a special edit to get the submission date in the future. |
| 00:54.38 | kergoth`bbl | cool, glad to hear it. thanks! |
| 00:55.30 | numatrix | so it'll stay there without me continually making sure it's updated past other entries. If he never gets the message, I'll try to keep an eye on it. Other moderators have been falling behind lately, I think only once in the last few weeks I saw entries approved I didn't moderate, so hopefully OZ will stay up there. |
| 00:55.35 | numatrix | No problem. |
| 00:59.07 | kergoth`bbl | TheMasterMind1: http://andyq.myby.co.uk/feed/ <-doesnt that have the new sfcave? |
| 00:59.19 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see |
| 00:59.28 | TheMasterMind1 | mnn |
| 00:59.29 | TheMasterMind1 | yes it does |
| 00:59.32 | kergoth`bbl | thats the one linked to in the sfcave-sdl zsi entry |
| 00:59.33 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 01:00.11 | kergoth`bbl | wonder if thats up to date though |
| 01:01.48 | kergoth`bbl | man, i had to clear my ccache |
| 01:01.49 | kergoth`bbl | :( |
| 01:01.53 | kergoth`bbl | check this out |
| 01:02.00 | kergoth`bbl | i actually had a compile failing |
| 01:02.07 | kergoth`bbl | that would only work by clearing teh fucking cache! |
| 01:02.11 | TheMasterMind1 | ick |
| 01:02.18 | kergoth`bbl | it was suppplying fucked up object code or something |
| 01:02.19 | kergoth`bbl | yeah |
| 01:02.22 | kergoth`bbl | so now my opie build is going |
| 01:02.23 | kergoth`bbl | and going |
| 01:02.38 | kergoth`bbl | and going |
| 01:02.40 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 01:02.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:02.50 | TheMasterMind1 | if you build sfcave-sdl put it in the feeds |
| 01:02.55 | kergoth`bbl | k |
| 01:03.05 | kergoth`bbl | doing a xscale optimized gcc3 opie build atm for my c700 |
| 01:03.10 | kergoth`bbl | hacking on that stuff atm |
| 01:05.18 | _Psycho | =p |
| 01:06.41 | kergoth | boredbored |
| 01:07.01 | kergoth | i hate waiting for compiles. |
| 01:07.41 | kergoth | wonder if theres anything worth watching on tv |
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| 01:19.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: feeds don't have sdl stuff |
| 01:19.30 | TheMasterMind1 | libsdl-mixer etc |
| 01:20.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: lart bipolar when he comes around |
| 01:20.25 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 01:20.43 | kergoth | tv sucks |
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| 01:56.11 | |ryan| | Hello, I've just installed OpenZaurus 3.2, and I was wondering how I would go about setting it to use my MMC card for file and program storage (I installed the 64/0 version) |
| 01:56.43 | |ryan| | do I just need to make a couple of symlinks, or is there a better way? |
| 01:58.11 | TheMasterMind1 | when you install software |
| 01:58.19 | TheMasterMind1 | you can set it to install to your mmc |
| 02:00.07 | |ryan| | and for documents, just symlink /root to /mnt/card/root? |
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| 02:05.19 | mithro | hello everyone |
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| 02:40.53 | biafradog | ok. so, who can help me with building a xgcc toolchain? |
| 02:41.10 | biafradog | I can't seem to get gcc 3.2.2 to build glibc 2.3.2 |
| 02:41.13 | biafradog | for arm-linux |
| 02:41.47 | |ryan| | Can someone help me with wireless? |
| 02:41.52 | |ryan| | I can't get WEP to work |
| 02:44.19 | mithro | is there a way to get the openzaurus feed by ftp? |
| 02:50.21 | TheMasterMind1 | |ryan|: read the faq |
| 02:50.28 | TheMasterMind1 | biafradog: build the newer glibc version |
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| 02:59.44 | JasonNJ | kergoth: compiling away? |
| 03:00.14 | biafradog | master: what's newer than glibc 2.3.2? |
| 03:01.09 | treke|home | 2.3.3? |
| 03:02.16 | biafradog | 2.3.2 is newest stable |
| 03:02.31 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yea 2.3.2 should work |
| 03:02.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ask kergoth |
| 03:02.34 | treke|home | well then, 2.3.2 is probably the one you want |
| 03:02.46 | biafradog | right. but I'm screwing up the configure(s) I think. |
| 03:03.37 | treke|home | you shouldnt be doing anything other than make |
| 03:03.49 | treke|home | ah building a toolchain |
| 03:03.54 | biafradog | should i build glibc with or without threads? |
| 03:04.15 | treke|home | what platform are you buildint it for? |
| 03:04.30 | biafradog | trying to build for arm-linux on i686 |
| 03:04.44 | treke|home | just use a prebuilt toolchain |
| 03:04.45 | biafradog | --build=i686-linux --host=arm-linux --target=arm-linux |
| 03:04.50 | biafradog | naw, this is more fun |
| 03:04.59 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 03:05.07 | treke|home | well if you want to waste time. have fun |
| 03:05.13 | JasonNJ | do you do your own rectal surgery too? lol |
| 03:06.03 | biafradog | I don't see why it's such a problem... |
| 03:06.13 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I prefer do your own vasectomy |
| 03:06.38 | JasonNJ | I will NEVER freakin get one of those |
| 03:06.41 | biafradog | but there are a plethora of broken "build gcc cross compiler" howtos... |
| 03:06.48 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 03:07.05 | JasonNJ | building xcompilers is not so easy |
| 03:07.18 | JasonNJ | even the freakin hh.org guys wrestle with it constantly |
| 03:07.35 | JasonNJ | its black friggin magic, you gotta know the interdepenencies and all that shit cold |
| 03:07.46 | JasonNJ | I only know a handful of people that do it well |
| 03:08.23 | JasonNJ | and even those guys get tripped up |
| 03:08.50 | JasonNJ | and depending on the state of the CVS you are using |
| 03:08.54 | JasonNJ | the shit might not build at all |
| 03:09.04 | treke|home | or it may generate incorrect code |
| 03:09.06 | |ryan| | ah.... |
| 03:09.19 | chouimat | JasonNJ: any news? |
| 03:09.27 | JasonNJ | like? |
| 03:09.43 | treke|home | JasonNJ: ubrowser ipk is in the feeds now |
| 03:09.45 | chouimat | JasonNJ: like finish Dune? |
| 03:09.47 | treke|home | JasonNJ: I rather like it |
| 03:09.51 | JasonNJ | yeah i finished it |
| 03:10.03 | JasonNJ | still means another book or two |
| 03:10.27 | JasonNJ | you know of course, atreides is gonna end up in a affair with butler |
| 03:10.32 | chouimat | JasonNJ: two :) and I finished the last Moorcock yesterday ... that mean anothher one |
| 03:10.35 | JasonNJ | and harkonnen is gonna feel pissed off |
| 03:10.38 | biafradog | well, I'm building from stable and I can see that others have accomplished it from binary downloads |
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| 03:11.01 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hehe ... and atrreides will live some centuriees too |
| 03:11.02 | mchang | hey |
| 03:11.20 | treke|home | if it was easy, you wouldnt see so many broken howtos :) |
| 03:11.26 | JasonNJ | yeah I am curious how far in the future they want to go with these books |
| 03:11.38 | JasonNJ | like explain the whole corrino stuff, etc |
| 03:11.57 | JasonNJ | I mean its like 10,000 years |
| 03:12.17 | chouimat | JasonNJ: the next one will be called the machine crusade and the one after that the battle of corrin |
| 03:12.27 | JasonNJ | I have a bit of trouble dealing with the time scale of the dune saga |
| 03:12.42 | JasonNJ | a lot of that shit is just plain unbeleivable |
| 03:13.07 | JasonNJ | like how the atriedes and harkonnen feuds can hold up after so long, etc |
| 03:13.34 | chouimat | JasonNJ: they are also supposed to write a sequel to chapterhouse |
| 03:13.35 | JasonNJ | obviously salusa secundus has to get nuked |
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| 03:13.44 | JasonNJ | really? |
| 03:14.04 | JasonNJ | I thought chapterhouse was the definitive ending |
| 03:14.20 | JasonNJ | like wasnt dune destroyed and all that? |
| 03:14.23 | wsuff | JasonNJ: whatever brings in the green |
| 03:14.23 | chouimat | JasonNJ: yup... and remembeer the death of dmurr in hoiuse corino |
| 03:14.39 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 03:14.52 | JasonNJ | didnt they have to revert to technology after chapterhouse? |
| 03:15.06 | JasonNJ | cause they couldnt recreate the spice ecology? |
| 03:15.08 | wsuff | JasonNJ: were there is a will there is a way to extend anything for the sake of $$ |
| 03:15.17 | treke|home | dudes shut up |
| 03:15.21 | treke|home | I havent read that far |
| 03:15.27 | chouimat | JasonNJ: the old ennemy that will return ... |
| 03:15.44 | chouimat | treke|home: ok |
| 03:15.48 | JasonNJ | so you think agamemnon doesnt die? |
| 03:15.56 | JasonNJ | they also set up for Hecate to come back |
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| 03:16.04 | JasonNJ | they talked about her, but she wasnt in the book |
| 03:16.11 | chouimat | JasonNJ: or the deep space probe lunched by the gedi prime omnius |
| 03:16.36 | JasonNJ | holtzman is supposed to go nuts as well |
| 03:16.55 | chouimat | yup but i don't like his character |
| 03:17.06 | JasonNJ | yeah he is not what I expected |
| 03:17.17 | JasonNJ | they make norma into the real genius |
| 03:17.36 | chouimat | JasonNJ: maybe it's her the real genius |
| 03:18.09 | biafradog | i don't find building xgcc any more annoying than say building apache with php and mysql support with ldap and blah blah... :) |
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| 03:21.43 | chouimat | treke|home: wb |
| 03:25.15 | JasonNJ | I did find it funny that in chapterhouse, the jewish faith still exists some 15,000 years from now |
| 03:25.43 | JasonNJ | every other religion gets blended and goes to hell, but judaism is still going strong |
| 03:25.48 | JasonNJ | that I couldnt quite figure out |
| 03:29.04 | biafradog | sounds about right I think |
| 03:29.58 | treke|home | sounds about right. |
| 03:30.31 | treke|home | its about the only relegion that doesnt say "go pester everyone else in the world" |
| 03:30.40 | biafradog | but then again perhaps the messiah will arrive within 15k |
| 03:31.30 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 03:31.33 | JasonNJ | buddhists dont |
| 03:31.47 | biafradog | western pseudobuddhs do |
| 03:31.49 | JasonNJ | neither do zen practicioners |
| 03:31.56 | JasonNJ | but apparently they merge |
| 03:32.01 | JasonNJ | and become the zenbuddhists |
| 03:32.06 | JasonNJ | and also buddislamics |
| 03:32.15 | |ryan| | Does anyone know where the config file for wireless paramaters is? |
| 03:32.27 | JasonNJ | and they all get turned into slaves |
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| 03:32.43 | JasonNJ | cause theyre pacifists |
| 03:33.41 | biafradog | well. glibc is finally building. woohoo. |
| 03:33.57 | biafradog | maybe I should put up a howto that isn't broken..........................nah. |
| 03:40.48 | mithro | biafradog: what type of Zaurus do you have? |
| 03:49.04 | mithro | now to build a qt with tslib support |
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| 03:59.23 | biafradog | mithro: none. I haven't forked for one, perhaps this 169 special will finally coax me. |
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| 04:00.09 | treke|home | there we go. complete feed build. 1 hour 6 minutes |
| 04:00.56 | mithro | treke|home: what speed is your computer? |
| 04:01.25 | biafradog | mithro: the zdev prog made me feel left out in the cold >1 ago when they restricted dev units to US and elsewhere... never got around to buying one... was going to about a month ago but then I started paying attention to the rumours... |
| 04:02.15 | mithro | biafradog: where are you situated? |
| 04:02.21 | biafradog | can |
| 04:02.39 | mithro | ada? |
| 04:03.11 | biafradog | y |
| 04:03.36 | biafradog | thinking about getting a LART cause of the JTAG dongle now... |
| 04:04.06 | mithro | so why are you building an arm cross compiler? |
| 04:04.21 | biafradog | simputer stuff |
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| 04:04.32 | mithro | ahh... |
| 04:08.35 | biafradog | er... "for fun..." |
| 04:13.08 | JasonNJ | where does one buy a simputer |
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| 04:18.33 | TrekCycling | congrats OpenEmbedded team. OZ 3.2 rocks. |
| 04:20.13 | TrekCycling | anyone know how to get QTopia working with it, though? QTopia doesn't see it for synching currently. |
| 04:20.37 | JasonNJ | qtopia desktop is a peice of shit |
| 04:20.41 | JasonNJ | 1.6 is bad mojo |
| 04:20.56 | TrekCycling | tell me something I don't already know. On Linux, though, there isn't anything else. |
| 04:21.03 | TrekCycling | And it worked with the Sharp ROM okay |
| 04:21.11 | JasonNJ | theres the kde scripts |
| 04:21.14 | JasonNJ | but I havent tried that |
| 04:21.20 | JasonNJ | 1.6 sucks on windows too |
| 04:21.21 | TrekCycling | so I know it's usable |
| 04:21.51 | JasonNJ | the problem is we dont have the source code to qtopia desktop |
| 04:21.54 | JasonNJ | so we cant fix it |
| 04:22.03 | TrekCycling | ha |
| 04:22.04 | treke|home | qtopia is a rotting pile of crap |
| 04:22.17 | TrekCycling | what's the alternative, though. :-) |
| 04:22.33 | JasonNJ | the alternative is that we have to eventually build something else |
| 04:22.42 | JasonNJ | on the pda and the desktop side |
| 04:22.51 | wsuff | TrekCycling: manually sync it by pulling the xml files =/ |
| 04:22.54 | treke|home | TrekCycling: A thouroughly broken product isnt an alternative |
| 04:24.15 | TrekCycling | that's too bad. I don't have a network card, so using QTopia, at the very least, was how I was installing stuff. |
| 04:25.36 | wsuff | TrekCycling: same here but can't seem to get it to sync now that i flashed oz on it |
| 04:29.35 | wsuff | treke|home: still confuses me |
| 04:31.21 | wsuff | i set it to any in security so i should be able to connect from any lan ip |
| 04:33.54 | TrekCycling | okay, so regardless of why qtopia sucks, why can't it see my Z with OZ installed? Is there a firewall or something on OZ? |
| 04:34.12 | bgelb | does anyone know where I might be able to get my hands on some 900 mhz wireless network gear |
| 04:34.18 | bgelb | I've been looking all day |
| 04:34.25 | bgelb | they seem to have evaporated |
| 04:35.00 | mithro | 900 mhz???? |
| 04:35.23 | bgelb | yea, AT&T used to make one |
| 04:35.24 | mithro | everythings 2.4 or 5.6 here... |
| 04:35.28 | bgelb | the original WaveLAN |
| 04:35.35 | bgelb | was 902-928 MHz |
| 04:35.44 | bgelb | But I can't find them anywhere |
| 04:35.49 | bgelb | ebay is barren |
| 04:38.20 | mithro | why would you want original wavelan gear? |
| 04:38.52 | bgelb | I want to stretch a link about 400 yds |
| 04:38.59 | bgelb | but there are a decent population of trees |
| 04:39.17 | bgelb | I am hoping that maybe the trees won't kill the 900 MHz signal as much as a 2.4G one |
| 04:43.49 | mithro | 900Mhz is slow... |
| 04:43.56 | mithro | how much is 400 yds in meters? |
| 04:44.36 | bgelb | hmm |
| 04:44.38 | bgelb | 400m |
| 04:44.40 | bgelb | ish |
| 04:45.18 | bgelb | here is the setup: |
| 04:45.23 | bgelb | 64 ft tower |
| 04:45.26 | bgelb | 80 ft trees |
| 04:45.37 | bgelb | ft = 1/3 |
| 04:45.38 | bgelb | m |
| 04:45.54 | bgelb | I could probably get 2.4 to work, in the winter at least |
| 04:45.59 | bgelb | but once the trees get all leafy |
| 04:46.06 | bgelb | I think itll be an entirely different story |
| 04:46.51 | bgelb | the old WaveLAN's were 2mbps, so, if I get 500k throughput, that'd be ok |
| 04:47.18 | wsuff | bgelb: what u setting up the network for |
| 04:48.51 | bgelb | a VoIP link |
| 04:48.59 | bgelb | to a remote building |
| 04:49.36 | wsuff | oh cool |
| 04:50.18 | TrekCycling | does anyone use IRK with OZ? |
| 04:50.22 | bgelb | yea |
| 04:50.37 | TrekCycling | does it work? |
| 04:50.42 | bgelb | Are there any good IRC chans that might be more relevant... I feel like I'm a bit off-topic |
| 04:50.52 | bgelb | sorry Trek: yea was directed at wsuff |
| 04:51.27 | TrekCycling | no problem |
| 04:52.40 | TrekCycling | dang, I need to hard reset OZ but can't figure out how |
| 04:57.24 | mithro | hrm i can't seem to build a libqt-emb which works.... |
| 05:05.26 | mithro | anyone here compiled libqt-emb for the zaurus before? |
| 05:06.10 | mithro | (and willing to help me with it?) |
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| 05:19.40 | TrekCycling | hmmm. |
| 05:19.51 | TrekCycling | aren't OZ addressbook and calendar xml files in the same format |
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| 05:27.13 | treke|home | yes |
| 05:27.21 | treke|home | with possible extras in oz's file |
| 05:37.37 | TrekCycling | dang |
| 05:38.19 | TrekCycling | OZ already has problems |
| 05:38.22 | TrekCycling | too good to be true |
| 05:42.46 | treke|home | ob well. file bugs |
| 05:42.59 | TrekCycling | yeah. I installed a bunch of stuff and no icons |
| 05:43.02 | TrekCycling | dang. So close |
| 05:44.01 | treke|home | stuff from the feed? |
| 05:44.13 | TrekCycling | no, hancom and BDicty, an app I bought |
| 05:44.25 | treke|home | and you restarted opie? |
| 05:44.27 | TrekCycling | I can't get to the feed from my Z yet |
| 05:44.32 | TrekCycling | yeah, I restarted Opie |
| 05:44.34 | treke|home | hmm |
| 05:54.20 | |ryan| | hrm.... |
| 05:54.59 | |ryan| | the opera package I made won't install on OZ... "Unable to read all data" or something |
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| 06:09.27 | mchang | evening |
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| 07:16.52 | |ryan| | hmmmmmm... |
| 07:17.29 | |ryan| | http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s10s05s04.html says not to move /root on to an SD/MMC card, because of boot issues.... |
| 07:17.45 | |ryan| | but I did it, and have had no problems (yet) |
| 07:17.54 | |ryan| | Is this something that changed recently? |
| 07:18.36 | treke|home | no. read what the page says |
| 07:19.08 | treke|home | marginally trickier is not the same as "dont do this" |
| 07:21.29 | |ryan| | treke: I read the page. It says not to move /root to the SD card and symlink it, but "because of issues related to the boot process, you shouldn't move the directory itself, but only its subdirectories Applications, Documents and Settings" |
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| 07:25.01 | NetNut404 | so what should I know before flashing to 3.2 from 3.1 (rc2) |
| 07:26.54 | gaurdian | emacs for Z |
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| 07:30.37 | Piete | yaaay OZ 3.2 :D |
| 07:30.45 | Piete | ok.. now I have a problem.. |
| 07:30.52 | NetNut404 | that's waht I am saying.. |
| 07:30.59 | Piete | I can't access any CF devices.. so I can't put up the new images |
| 07:31.00 | NetNut404 | but I wonder.. is it safe to flash |
| 07:31.23 | yeiazel | NetNut404: backup your data |
| 07:31.42 | Piete | heh, since I started using OZ I never had any data on my zaurus... |
| 07:31.57 | Piete | I use my Palm for my 'data' |
| 07:32.05 | yeiazel | :) |
| 07:32.22 | yeiazel | Piete: what do you mean by "can't access any CF devices" ? |
| 07:32.29 | Piete | just that |
| 07:32.33 | Piete | it doesn't work |
| 07:32.40 | Piete | it doesnt detect any cf flash cards |
| 07:32.45 | Piete | or my wifi card |
| 07:33.52 | yeiazel | have you tried rebooting ? |
| 07:34.00 | Piete | everything.. |
| 07:34.04 | Piete | nothing works.. |
| 07:34.25 | Piete | I think I still have the last -rc's images on my CF card.. I'll try to reflash with that one.. maybe it works.. |
| 07:35.58 | Piete | well.. the flash hasn't failed yet... |
| 07:36.00 | Piete | lets hope.. |
| 07:36.40 | Piete | ok. it worked.. |
| 07:36.49 | Piete | at least I know its not hardware :) |
| 07:39.37 | Piete | brb.. I have to reboot to my usbdnet enabled kernel.. |
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| 07:44.55 | Piete | at last.. |
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| 07:48.00 | Piete | hey XX |
| 07:48.08 | XavierXeon | hi Piete |
| 07:51.25 | Piete | allrighty.. |
| 07:51.29 | Piete | flashing 3.2.. |
| 07:52.01 | Piete | btw.. why the jump from 3.0 to 3.1-rc[x] to 3.2? |
| 07:52.31 | XavierXeon | dont know |
| 07:53.05 | Piete | at least its not as bad as RH :) 8.0 to 9.x :) |
| 07:54.07 | yeiazel | no |
| 07:54.10 | yeiazel | 8.0 to 9 |
| 07:54.24 | yeiazel | they don't use minor version numbers anymore |
| 07:54.31 | Piete | hehehe ;) |
| 07:58.00 | Piete | say.. any of you millionaire free-software developers wanna buy me a wifi card for my desktop? |
| 08:01.30 | Piete | well.. when you become one remember that I'm the one who gave you a gold star.. |
| 08:03.47 | Piete | sweet.. it detects, mounts, and ejects all my stuff perfectly.. (it still thinks my dlink card is a z-com, but as long as it works i'm happy ) |
| 08:10.01 | |ryan| | Piete: heh, I have a spare wireless card and AP, actualy |
| 08:10.18 | |ryan| | but that doesn't mean I'll give it away |
| 08:10.53 | Piete | awwww.. not even for a fellow zauruser like me? |
| 08:10.55 | Piete | :P |
| 08:11.32 | yeiazel | bah, I only have 3 APs |
| 08:11.34 | yeiazel | 2 unused |
| 08:11.35 | yeiazel | :p |
| 08:12.00 | Piete | hehe. I have a wifi card for my zaurus.. but thats it.. I can't use it |
| 08:12.06 | yeiazel | haha :) |
| 08:12.22 | Piete | at least if I have one for my desktop I won't have to deal with this usbdnet crap |
| 08:12.26 | |ryan| | yeiazel: I have 3 APs total |
| 08:12.36 | |ryan| | I'm using 2 of them |
| 08:12.51 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 08:13.01 | yeiazel | I'll give one to my father |
| 08:13.02 | yeiazel | errr |
| 08:13.11 | |ryan| | and there's about half a dozen sitting around my office |
| 08:13.12 | yeiazel | s/give/sell/ |
| 08:14.04 | |ryan| | hehe |
| 08:14.20 | yeiazel | hm, gotta wake up |
| 08:14.38 | Piete | none of the electronics stores around here carry any MMC cards with reasonable high capacity.. |
| 08:14.55 | yeiazel | Piete: what was the max you've found ? |
| 08:15.39 | |ryan| | I don't think anybody makes ones larger then 128MB |
| 08:15.55 | Piete | the max I think was about 128.. but then, the smallest SD cards I found was 256 MB, and every body was advertising 'free 512mb sd with <product? |
| 08:16.01 | Piete | s/?/> |
| 08:17.00 | Piete | and an astonishing 32MB cf card! |
| 08:17.10 | |ryan| | heh |
| 08:17.19 | |ryan| | I have 2 256MB CF cards |
| 08:17.21 | |ryan| | :) |
| 08:17.27 | yeiazel | I have 1 256 MB |
| 08:17.30 | Piete | unfair |
| 08:17.30 | |ryan| | but one is missing :( |
| 08:17.31 | yeiazel | that's enough |
| 08:17.41 | Piete | |ryan|: ouch! |
| 08:17.51 | |ryan| | yeah |
| 08:18.04 | |ryan| | hopefuly it'll turn up when I clean my room |
| 08:18.16 | |ryan| | or in the laundry. |
| 08:18.42 | yeiazel | « when I clean my room » / hehe... would take weeks for my room |
| 08:18.49 | |ryan| | heh |
| 08:18.54 | |ryan| | oh, dear god.... |
| 08:19.08 | |ryan| | photo time |
| 08:19.12 | Piete | hehe |
| 08:19.18 | yeiazel | :) |
| 08:19.40 | Piete | I modified my Palm IIIx to use SmartMedia cards... |
| 08:19.44 | Piete | its was pretty neat |
| 08:19.55 | Piete | but that was long ago.. |
| 08:20.13 | yeiazel | I want to sell my Palm m105 since I've got the Z |
| 08:20.55 | Piete | yeiazel: I wanted to sell my Palm IIIc because I got my zaurus... it turned out that the Palm PIM apps are just way too good to give up |
| 08:21.05 | yeiazel | ah... |
| 08:21.12 | yeiazel | oz's ones fit my needs |
| 08:21.35 | Piete | and the palm has an awesome app that I use daily, (because I'm so lazy).. its called 'Metro' |
| 08:21.44 | Piete | if you use the subway,, check it out |
| 08:22.04 | |ryan| | hehe, subway |
| 08:22.19 | |ryan| | there are busses here |
| 08:22.24 | Piete | |ryan|: here in seoul its the best for of transportation ;) |
| 08:22.31 | |ryan| | heh |
| 08:22.34 | gaurdian | screw public transportation, I drive |
| 08:22.43 | |ryan| | here, people bike, bus or drive |
| 08:22.43 | Piete | |ryan|: ok, well, busses work well here too,, but I prefer the subway.. |
| 08:23.09 | Piete | gaurdian: hahaha, try driving here ;) |
| 08:23.30 | Piete | there is only 21 million people in this very compact city ;) |
| 08:23.30 | gaurdian | I have a Humvee, I would |
| 08:23.38 | Piete | EEEK even worse ;) |
| 08:23.51 | gaurdian | and Wife has a Ford Excursion :) |
| 08:24.04 | Piete | gaurdian: you'd HAVE to drive.. there is no place to park a humvee here ;) |
| 08:25.03 | Piete | so.. how do I choose the buzzer's dsp as my audio-out? |
| 08:25.11 | gaurdian | no idea |
| 08:26.22 | Piete | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.22 | Piete | # rm dsp |
| 08:26.22 | Piete | # ln -s sharp_buz dsp |
| 08:26.26 | Piete | that works ;D |
| 08:27.54 | Piete | hmm,, what mixer device works for the buzzer? |
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| 08:43.25 | |ryan| | http://www.cal.net/~ryan/images/messy-room.jpg |
| 08:43.28 | |ryan| | there |
| 08:43.59 | yeiazel | heh |
| 08:44.04 | yeiazel | like mine :p |
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| 08:47.21 | yeiazel | http://yeiazel.net/1.jpg through http://yeiazel.net/4.jpg |
| 08:48.14 | yeiazel | errrmmm they are quite big... |
| 08:49.03 | yeiazel | okay, smaller ones uploaded :) |
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| 10:36.02 | tassian | HCl: Are you here? |
| 10:36.18 | HCl | check o.o |
| 10:36.25 | HCl | sup |
| 10:36.59 | tassian | You asked me for an encoding script for mencoder to get videos on Z, right? I made one. |
| 10:37.59 | tassian | Are you interested in it? If so, I can DCC it over (it's quite small). |
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| 11:39.04 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 11:39.16 | pb_ | hi TMM1 |
| 11:39.38 | TheMasterMind1 | whats new |
| 11:39.57 | Twiun | hey pb, tmm |
| 11:47.24 | HCl | tassian: oh... i made one myself ^^ |
| 11:47.28 | HCl | but thanks :) |
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| 12:37.40 | TheMasterMind1 | hey mickeyl |
| 12:38.36 | mickeyl | hi tmm |
| 12:38.40 | mickeyl | how is 3.2 behaving? |
| 12:38.44 | Twiun | hey mickeyl |
| 12:39.01 | mickeyl | hiho Twiun, wonka progressing? |
| 12:39.18 | Twiun | yup, trying to get the taskbar icon working |
| 12:39.26 | Twiun | scrollbars are getting there |
| 12:39.33 | Twiun | scrollviews a bit behind atm |
| 12:39.42 | Twiun | and I've got a race condition in the paint code :) |
| 12:40.04 | Twiun | Oh, and the fullscreen code works :) |
| 12:40.53 | mickeyl | cool |
| 12:46.43 | mickeyl | treke:ping |
| 12:57.57 | mickeyl | anyone besides treke and me using OE-ipaq yet? |
| 13:00.05 | pb_ | I've been tempted to give it a go, but haven't actually installed yet. |
| 13:00.23 | pb_ | I guess I'd need X to be working, and ideally GPE too. |
| 13:07.06 | mickeyl | pb_: yup, we want this to work, also. |
| 13:09.25 | pb_ | Is there any work going on in that direction? |
| 13:09.50 | mickeyl | afaik yes, work on refreshing our X build has started last week, can't remember who took care about this though. |
| 13:09.57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:10.04 | pb_ | cool |
| 13:11.16 | pb_ | well, once you have X working it should be (fairly) straightforward to add GPE. |
| 13:12.51 | mickeyl | yeah, i would think so, too. is GPE still based on gtk+1.x or yet 2.x ? |
| 13:12.55 | TheMasterMind1 | mallum added x |
| 13:12.56 | pb_ | 2.x |
| 13:12.58 | TheMasterMind1 | he's working on matchbox now |
| 13:13.21 | pb_ | familiar 0.7 doesn't include libgtk1.2 any more. |
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| 15:32.41 | yakito | somebody there ? |
| 15:34.14 | yakito | If I use 64-0 imaged and my battery runs out of power, what will happen to my zaurus ? |
| 15:35.48 | Twiun | happens to me on a regular basis (using the 32-0 image), no worst for wear |
| 15:37.23 | yakito | I have no data on volatile memory with 64-0 |
| 15:37.39 | yakito | then I should not care. Is this ok ? |
| 15:38.11 | Twiun | hmm |
| 15:38.28 | Twiun | I think things are ok as long as the backup battery doesn't run out of power |
| 15:38.41 | Twiun | hmm |
| 15:38.47 | Twiun | no I have things backwards |
| 15:38.54 | Twiun | things should be fine |
| 15:39.26 | yakito | I have my zaurus at 15% value |
| 15:39.39 | yakito | and wondering what could happen |
| 15:39.43 | yakito | :P |
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| 15:49.53 | yakito | then nothing happens with 64-0 and 32-0 when zaurus runs out of power |
| 15:57.08 | Twiun | afaik, all the stuff is on the rom, so it's not volatile |
| 16:00.47 | yakito | i have put it to charge :P |
| 16:01.12 | yakito | one question, do you know if compaq charger is good for zaurus ? |
| 16:01.52 | yakito | I would like to buy one, with and adaper to usb, car and electricity. |
| 16:02.16 | yakito | but there are not a lot of kits por the zaurus :O |
| 16:05.18 | pb_ | yeah, I think the ipaq and zaurus chargers are compatible. |
| 16:07.31 | yakito | I have found a kit from Belkin: USB power sync travel kit (for 34.80 €). Then it is zaurus compatible ?? :O |
| 16:07.54 | yakito | any one of you using it. I would not like to break may zaurus :O |
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| 16:39.06 | yakito | I have found a kit from Belkin: USB power sync travel kit (for 34.80 €). is it zaurus compatible ?? Anybody tested ?? |
| 16:59.34 | HCl | hmm |
| 16:59.39 | HCl | kergoth: awake? |
| 17:02.47 | yakito | how opie/j opie |
| 17:03.16 | yakito | anybody knows how opie-theme works ? |
| 17:05.52 | Twiun | if ulimit is used to set the max core size, what do I use to set the core's location? keeps defaulting to / |
| 17:06.20 | HCl | cores always get dumped in current cwd |
| 17:06.28 | HCl | er, -current o.o |
| 17:07.03 | Twiun | I thought so too |
| 17:07.17 | Twiun | but my cwd is /mnt/cf and the core still gets dumped in / |
| 17:07.25 | HCl | odd.. |
| 17:07.38 | Twiun | maybe if I symlink /core to /mnt/cf/core? |
| 17:07.48 | HCl | not sure if that'll work |
| 17:07.53 | HCl | i dont think it will cause of security reasons |
| 17:07.54 | pb_ | Twiun: maybe the program that is dumping core is doing chdir(/) |
| 17:08.36 | Twiun | pb_: it's possible |
| 17:08.48 | pb_ | If it insists on dumpin in /, you could make a chroot in /mnt/cf, bind mount everything from the real / into it, and run the program inside there. |
| 17:09.29 | HCl | mm. |
| 17:09.43 | Twiun | pb_: lemme try finding the chdir first :) |
| 17:09.57 | HCl | strace would tell |
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| 17:36.50 | JasonNJ | I think I found the official beverage of OpenZaurus |
| 17:36.57 | JasonNJ | http://www.bevnet.com/reviews/joltespresso/ |
| 17:38.02 | Twiun | JasonNJ: found this java PIM stuff, but it requires Swing :( |
| 17:38.11 | Twiun | JasonNJ: so heavy re-engineering would be needed |
| 17:40.10 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 17:40.15 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is 1 C (35 F), windspeed is 12.87 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.30 1700 UTC). |
| 17:40.26 | chouimat | morning |
| 17:40.47 | Twiun | anyone seen any java-based browsers? (excluding ICEBrowser, NetClue and WebWindow all of which blow) |
| 17:41.02 | Twiun | hey chouimat |
| 17:41.04 | chouimat | amaya? |
| 17:41.10 | Freddie | damn |
| 17:41.38 | Twiun | amaya's the w3c browser right? I thought it was a native one? |
| 17:42.05 | chouimat | Twiun: I don't know |
| 17:48.03 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 17:48.27 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have a copy of qtjim? |
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| 17:50.44 | vir182 | i installed opie-mediaplayer on my CF. then my zaurus died (i played around a bit). i flashed it again. seems the version recognizes my mediaplayer on my CF but the player does not appear on the desktop, nor in my $PATH. any suggestions how i get the mediaplayer on my desktiop again? |
| 17:54.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg-link mount/mnt/cf |
| 17:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg-link mount /mnt/cf |
| 17:56.03 | vir182 | zjc- now in understand what this ipkg-link is good for ;-) |
| 17:57.17 | yeiazel | :) |
| 17:57.51 | vir182 | is the ipkg-link only for the path or for the desktop problem too? |
| 17:58.10 | vir182 | i knew i could replace the links manually. but there had to be a easier way ;-) |
| 18:00.58 | kergoth | vir182: both. it creates links for every file installed by the ipk that was installed to that media. |
| 18:01.04 | kergoth | hey, btw |
| 18:01.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:01.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 18:01.28 | vir182 | wow worked perfectly. thx |
| 18:01.42 | kergoth | nada, just cleanin up the place a bit |
| 18:01.46 | kergoth | tired |
| 18:02.43 | chouimat | kergoth: hi |
| 18:03.09 | kergoth | heh, the response on 3.2 has been better than the response on any previous release to date |
| 18:03.13 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 18:03.17 | kergoth | glad to see that |
| 18:03.22 | kergoth | hey Twiun, chouimat |
| 18:04.00 | vir182 | do you guys know an application where i can store confidential data (encrypted)? like for credid card numbers, server passwords etc. |
| 18:05.04 | kurre | chouimat: quite a peculiar combination of languages I must say ... |
| 18:06.06 | chouimat | kurre: I'm planning to go study in europe next year (and I don't know where yet so ... since I allready know french and english) |
| 18:06.46 | yeiazel | vir182: encrypt them with gpg :) |
| 18:07.53 | vir182 | yeiazel uncomfortable. i would like to have a graphical frontend which makes a grouping like servers/ftps/CC/ etc. |
| 18:08.12 | vir182 | i knew zsave. but it does not show up on my package list |
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| 18:11.57 | kurre | chouimat: I'm quite sure that with french & german & english you have no problems in europe. |
| 18:13.12 | kurre | I have to manage with only english & finnish at the moment. although I've been thinking of reviving my (minimal) french skills :) |
| 18:15.29 | chouimat | kurre: I was thinking to go to Helsinki for a year but I'm not sure ... |
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| 18:17.03 | kurre | why not ? |
| 18:18.00 | chouimat | kurre: the price of living ... the university fee are a joke even with the low cost of Quebec university |
| 18:19.21 | kurre | ok, I understand. It is relatively expensive to live in here, although switzerland or norway seem to be even more expensive :) |
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| 18:20.27 | vir182 | i have to say i'm really an european. born in italy, 1st language german, studied in France, worked in Austria and England. now imove to Spain. if i ever have children i don't know what language they will speak ;-) |
| 18:21.11 | chouimat | kurre: Switzerland is expensive my mother is there |
| 18:21.21 | nagROM | the native language of the country you have them in? |
| 18:21.55 | vir182 | yep. i speak 5 languages. well at least enough to have anice bar talk with girls ;-) |
| 18:22.14 | nagROM | i speak 3 languages |
| 18:22.23 | nagROM | and i can swear in spanish. |
| 18:22.43 | vir182 | bt i have to say i can't write french anymore. last time i wrote a letter in french was 8 years ago. |
| 18:22.44 | nagROM | uhh yeh. and one of those languages is ebonics. |
| 18:22.52 | vir182 | wht's ebonics? |
| 18:22.54 | chouimat | vir182: I'm born in La Pocatiere a small town about 150km east of Quebec City, I know french:) and even if my english grammar bad I know it for about 21 years (just need practice) ... |
| 18:23.01 | nagROM | ghetto speak. |
| 18:23.25 | nagROM | it's not really a language as much as it's a slurring of english. |
| 18:23.41 | chouimat | nagROM: something like Joual we have here |
| 18:23.43 | nagROM | but hey. they teach classes in it so uhh i guess it's a language. |
| 18:23.59 | vir182 | hehe, well then i speak a 6th language. Germans and Austrians don't understand my either when i speak my dialect ;-) |
| 18:24.11 | yeiazel | chouimat: you don't know french. you know quebec-french-alike |
| 18:24.11 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:24.19 | chouimat | vir182: which one swiss german? |
| 18:24.24 | vir182 | i just keep it because some girls like it *lol* |
| 18:24.33 | nagROM | oh wait. make that 4 languages. |
| 18:24.41 | nagROM | i speak pig latin fluently. |
| 18:24.43 | vir182 | it's pretty close to swiss. but some italian influence |
| 18:24.45 | chouimat | does Latin count? |
| 18:24.53 | nagROM | yeh. |
| 18:25.01 | nagROM | does anyone have a ten gallon fish tank. |
| 18:25.01 | vir182 | chouimat i bet latin works fine for bar talk ;-) |
| 18:25.03 | nagROM | ? |
| 18:25.05 | yeiazel | oh, and english |
| 18:25.27 | chouimat | vir182: hehe |
| 18:25.40 | nagROM | heh. funny story. my friends grandma met her husband and they could only communicate in latin. |
| 18:25.47 | nagROM | well when they first met. |
| 18:26.00 | nagROM | she spoke 5 languages and so did he. |
| 18:26.01 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 18:26.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i want qtjim!!! |
| 18:26.14 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: calm down |
| 18:26.26 | kergoth | fuck |
| 18:26.29 | nagROM | they only language they both spoke was latin. |
| 18:26.32 | vir182 | yeiazel i learned english when i was in France. some crazy ppl in my ofice played english muds. that's where i started to read enlgish. after 2 years of playing mud in the office i was able to read enlgish but i spoke it with french "correctnes" |
| 18:26.46 | vir182 | i went to england and ppl did not understand a single word ;-) |
| 18:26.46 | kergoth | I think i lost my qt/e kernel keymap patch |
| 18:26.54 | nagROM | ahh piss. does anyone own a 10 gallon fish tank. |
| 18:26.56 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 18:27.08 | chouimat | nagROM: nope |
| 18:27.11 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: thats bad |
| 18:27.22 | kergoth | well, there wasnt much to it really |
| 18:27.29 | kergoth | but i hate writing shit over again i did already |
| 18:27.35 | kergoth | ah well |
| 18:27.40 | yeiazel | I assume my spoken english is quite understandable : I talked to a taxi driver during half an hour with no particular problem |
| 18:27.43 | vir182 | nagROM i have no clue how big a gallon is. speak in liter ;-) |
| 18:27.52 | nagROM | yeh i was thinking that. |
| 18:27.57 | chouimat | vir182: about 4liters |
| 18:28.11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi |
| 18:28.13 | chouimat | so 10 gallons is 40 literss |
| 18:28.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 2.95.3 toolchain oz-1.1.. |
| 18:28.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: builds a c700 kernel that doesnt boot :\ |
| 18:28.25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fucking binutils. |
| 18:28.27 | vir182 | nagROM well then i have a 15 gaalon tank. but i bet you can't use it from here ;-) |
| 18:28.29 | nagROM | yeh but i don't know how that 4 litres is layed out. |
| 18:28.41 | nagROM | vir. what are the dimensions? |
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| 18:28.55 | vir182 | hard to tell. it is round. |
| 18:29.05 | vir182 | diameter around 50 cm |
| 18:29.07 | nagROM | you have a 15 gallon fishbowl? |
| 18:29.18 | kergoth | hm, i just realized |
| 18:29.25 | pb_ | hey kergoth |
| 18:29.25 | kergoth | that our reconfiguring packages step |
| 18:29.31 | vir182 | well it is called an aquarium |
| 18:29.33 | kergoth | ends up running depmod -a like 14 times |
| 18:29.39 | kergoth | once for each postinst in each kernel modules package :) |
| 18:29.44 | vir182 | nagROM you meant that, right? |
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| 18:29.57 | kergoth | hey pb_, how goes it? |
| 18:30.06 | nagROM | no. i meant a fishbowl. isn't it a big bowl. |
| 18:30.11 | tassian | hi all. kergoth: just wanted to say that I really like OZ 3.2! Good job! :-) |
| 18:30.21 | kergoth | tassian: thanks :) |
| 18:30.23 | pb_ | yeah, not bad, think I've finally cracked the binutils bug that was causing glibc to go wrong. |
| 18:30.30 | nagROM | oh well off to call a petstore. |
| 18:30.53 | nagROM | mmmmmm wiskey. |
| 18:31.11 | tassian | kergoth: what whisky? |
| 18:32.33 | pb_ | kergoth: now, seems like about time we had GPE included in OE. How would we go about that? |
| 18:32.49 | chouimat | kergoth: got time to play with the dct? |
| 18:33.29 | Harlekin | dead of familiar |
| 18:33.41 | chouimat | huh? |
| 18:33.46 | TheMasterMind1 | pb_: add gtk2 to the buildroot then add gpe to buildroot |
| 18:33.46 | kergoth | pb_: well, we have glib 2.x.. mallum added recent xfree86.. so all we need really, is gtk 2.x, and gpe itself. |
| 18:33.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 18:34.26 | Harlekin | kergoth: looks like you won |
| 18:34.27 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:34.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:34.58 | killefiz | Harlekin: ??? |
| 18:35.00 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:35.08 | chouimat | Harlekin: what? kergoth killed familiar? |
| 18:35.18 | Harlekin | killefiz: familiar was another linux distribution for ipaqs |
| 18:35.23 | yeiazel | kergoth is capable of killing ? wow ! |
| 18:35.28 | killefiz | Harlekin: i know - why is it dead? |
| 18:35.37 | Harlekin | killefiz: if now even gpe wants to switch |
| 18:35.37 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:35.44 | chouimat | yeiazel: according to googleism kergoth is a criminal so ... |
| 18:35.50 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:35.53 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:36.00 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:36.11 | TheMasterMind1 | grr, no one has qtjim |
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| 18:36.14 | TheMasterMind1 | i want qtjim |
| 18:36.31 | kergoth | adding gpe to oe doesnt imply that familiar is dead.. just means one of its advantages over oe is gone |
| 18:36.46 | yakito | I have found a kit from Belkin: USB power sync travel kit (for 34.80 €). is it zaurus compatible ?? Anybody tested ?? |
| 18:36.56 | Harlekin | yakito: url? |
| 18:37.33 | yakito | on a mediamarkt shop, but it is not on the belkin home page :O |
| 18:37.35 | pb_ | kergoth: well, adding gpe itself should (ha) be as easy as pulling from cvs and doing an appropriate make at the top level. I guess GTK could be more of a challenge. |
| 18:39.00 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:39.08 | Harlekin | chouimat: port centericq first |
| 18:39.10 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:39.14 | TheMasterMind1 | yea just make and copy right files into ipktempdir |
| 18:39.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried doing gtk once |
| 18:39.50 | TheMasterMind1 | after a day i gave up |
| 18:39.55 | kergoth | i started adding centericq to oe |
| 18:39.57 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe gtk2 is simpler |
| 18:39.59 | kergoth | but it requires an assload of libraries |
| 18:40.07 | kergoth | surprisingly |
| 18:40.08 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:40.15 | Harlekin | kergoth: centericq? |
| 18:40.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. i just found out jabber has a list of public servers that support aim/msn/yahoo so i want to use qtjim now, but i can't find sources or ipk anywhere |
| 18:41.05 | yakito | Harlekin: I found an url http://hpstore.ht.com.au/Scripts/xworks.exe?XwsSrvID=H,PART:F9651 |
| 18:43.17 | chouimat | kergoth: did you see if bush was a girl oon killefiz? |
| 18:43.40 | pb_ | kergoth: can you remind me of that method for pulling the oe repository without actually using bitkeeper? |
| 18:44.23 | kergoth | two ways |
| 18:44.23 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz snapshot |
| 18:44.24 | | hmm... oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
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| 18:45.24 | Freddie | drat |
| 18:45.29 | Freddie | no one on #Familiar |
| 18:45.39 | kergoth | you can use the snapshots or you can get a tarball of the repository itself and use modified gnu cssc tools and a couple scripts to manipulate hte local repos |
| 18:45.48 | kergoth | Freddie: usually isnt. use #handhelds.org |
| 18:46.51 | Freddie | ahhh |
| 18:46.52 | Freddie | thanks |
| 18:47.04 | tassian | kergoth: I'm wondering: is the busybox that comes with OZ 3.2 IPv6 capable (the ifconfig part)? |
| 18:47.21 | kergoth | should be, i enabled busybox ipv6 support its in config |
| 18:47.33 | tassian | kergoth: Ah, great! :-) |
| 18:48.02 | *** topic/#openembedded by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less! (tm) | http://openzaurus.org/ for something usable | The BitKeeper Repository for OpenEmbedded contains the first interesting stuff | OpenZaurus 3.2 is released! | Anyone have QTJim? email to a@themastermind1.net |
| 18:49.15 | kergoth | hm, c700 hangs in weird circumstances |
| 18:49.19 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: zsi? |
| 18:49.19 | kergoth | if i run irssi |
| 18:49.30 | kergoth | the 9th character i type freezes the c700 |
| 18:49.34 | Harlekin | kergoth: activated xscale "fast mode" |
| 18:49.36 | pb_ | okay, lemme try the snapshot |
| 18:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | Harlekin: the place it links to is dead |
| 18:50.12 | kergoth | Harlekin: ? no |
| 18:50.13 | kergoth | /usr/src/corgi$ cat packages/kernel-c700/corgi|grep ERRATA |
| 18:50.13 | kergoth | CONFIG_XSCALE_CACHE_ERRATA=y |
| 18:50.36 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid xscale |
| 18:52.05 | kergoth | hey thats weird. opie-login runs fine, but my c700 hangs trying to start the launcher |
| 18:53.42 | pb_ | hm, weird indeed |
| 18:53.53 | pb_ | do you get a total freeze, or just an opie hang? |
| 18:53.53 | Harlekin | kergoth: temperature? |
| 18:54.27 | kergoth | not certain, let me bring up usb networking and see if i can still get into it that way |
| 18:54.49 | kergoth | oh, it occasionally hangs when tab completing |
| 18:54.57 | pb_ | if you have a serial console, you could try magic sysrq. |
| 18:54.59 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:55.03 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:55.05 | kergoth | yeah, good idea |
| 18:55.06 | pb_ | hah |
| 18:55.46 | pb_ | I guess that might point to some filesystem or blkdev problem. |
| 18:56.01 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 18:56.17 | kergoth | its happened tab completing files on cf as well as on jffs2 |
| 18:56.20 | kergoth | general vfs problem? |
| 18:56.23 | kergoth | just weird |
| 18:56.28 | kergoth | or maybe a problem with the keyboard driver? |
| 18:56.38 | pb_ | yeah, could be. |
| 18:56.47 | treke|home | does it happen in konq? |
| 18:56.54 | treke|home | er konsole? |
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| 18:57.15 | kergoth | happens in console here, i cant get into the opie launcher to see if it happens there |
| 18:57.29 | treke|home | try just lonchine konsole |
| 18:57.41 | treke|home | as the qws server |
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| 19:11.39 | beattie | ibot buildroot |
| 19:11.39 | | rumour has it, buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
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| 19:11.53 | numatrix | ~sfcave |
| 19:11.55 | | sfcave is, like, http://sfcave.com or http://sfcave.com/zaurus.php or http://andyq.myby.co.uk/ |
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| 19:12.39 | beattie | ibot gcc-arm |
| 19:12.40 | | beattie: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 19:16.34 | Ociocio | anyone know of a media player that works with 3.2? ive tried xmms (off xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net/feed) and opie2 (from oz stable feed) and cant get either to work |
| 19:16.56 | treke|home | opieplayer2 should work just fine |
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| 19:19.04 | Ociocio | treke: i can get the old version thats on ZSI (.9.1)to work, buts its unacceptably buggy (at least when playing ogg) and the stable oz feed (.9.3) doesnt run at all |
| 19:19.37 | treke|home | then go buy tkcplayer |
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| 19:21.39 | yakito | is it possible to format one CF card an put more than one partition. I want to put fat (for flashing) and ext2 (with fat, all my installed programs with libs does not work, i have to remake softlinks) |
| 19:21.51 | lefebvre | did anybody had success compiling the net-tools for openzaurus? |
| 19:22.38 | tassian | Is the handwriting that I trained my Z with saved in backups made with the backup-app? |
| 19:22.46 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I updated the link on ZSI for QTJim to a valid link. Try it again there. |
| 19:23.18 | chouimat | arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg! |
| 19:24.34 | Ociocio | yakito: dont think so |
| 19:24.50 | Sythos | hi treke |
| 19:24.54 | Sythos | hi kergoth |
| 19:28.00 | lefebvre | I am trying to ipv6 enable my zaurus and busybox support for ipv6 seems broken. |
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| 19:34.48 | numatrix | has anyone here gotten wellenreiter actuallysniffing? |
| 19:35.52 | numatrix | tassian: I believe so; if memory serves, those settings are stored in Settings/handwriting.conf or something like that, and the conf files should be backed up. |
| 19:36.18 | tassian | numatrix: Ah, ok! TNX. :-) |
| 19:51.29 | _Psycho | hey kergoth saw you talk about the irssi 9 keys bugs and opie laucher, any luck with the rom yet ? :) |
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| 20:21.03 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: gracias |
| 20:21.36 | *** topic/#openembedded by TheMasterMind1 -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less! (tm) | http://openzaurus.org/ for something usable | The BitKeeper Repository for OpenEmbedded contains the first interesting stuff | OpenZaurus 3.2 is released! |
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| 20:23.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm i need libexpat |
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| 20:47.13 | beattie | ibot compiler |
| 20:47.14 | | it has been said that compiler is A compiler translates a computer program from one language into another, catching any errors in syntax along the way. Most commonly, you translate some high level language, such as C++ or COBOL, into optimized machine language. This form of compilation puts your programs into a form that your computer can understand without any translation, thus speeding them up. |
| 20:47.29 | beattie | ibot oz |
| 20:47.30 | | oz is probably see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
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| 21:08.20 | nasa | howdy, I have a quick question for you experts -- will/is ext3 supported with oz3.2? |
| 21:08.24 | kergoth | no. |
| 21:08.32 | kergoth | not on an ancient 2.4.6 kernel, thats certain |
| 21:08.59 | kergoth | what would you use ext3 on? cf? sd? the journal will certainly wear the flash out faster. |
| 21:09.10 | nasa | ok, it was before -- just needed to know if I need to reformat my sd card |
| 21:09.20 | kergoth | no, it wasnt. |
| 21:09.29 | kergoth | busybox mount was mounting it as ext2. |
| 21:09.33 | NetNut404_PDA | is there a walk through on using a serial cable for PPP on the Z? |
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| 21:09.37 | kergoth | util-linux mount is more picky |
| 21:09.56 | kergoth | ext3 has _never_ been supported. You were simply under the illusion that it was working. |
| 21:10.15 | nasa | I had formatted it as an ext3 using my z.... |
| 21:10.29 | treke|home | nasa: are you not listening? |
| 21:10.43 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:10.46 | kergoth | you formatted it as ext3 |
| 21:10.50 | kergoth | it had a fancy ext3 journal |
| 21:10.55 | kergoth | which was never fucking used |
| 21:11.39 | kergoth | because busybox mount mounted it AS EXT2! |
| 21:11.49 | kergoth | all ext3 is, is an ext2 filesystem with a journal. |
| 21:12.09 | nasa | ok, let me reformat it -- not a big deal, just wanted to be sure |
| 21:12.17 | treke|home | you dont need to reformat it |
| 21:12.40 | treke|home | ext3 is the same as ext2 with an added journal that doesnt confuse ext2 |
| 21:13.30 | kergoth | hm, the c700 kernel i just built doesnt boot. thats odd. |
| 21:13.44 | nasa | In order to mount my sd card -- I had to manually do 'mount' command using ext2. And doing that my system became really unusable |
| 21:13.59 | nasa | I am not sure why -- but it did |
| 21:17.14 | nasa | Also, if I may ask-- does qtopiadesktop under linux still work? |
| 21:17.25 | kergoth | partition type. |
| 21:17.30 | kergoth | should |
| 21:18.09 | Sythos | on debian-sarge qtopia rpm verison segfault |
| 21:18.16 | nasa | Well, I am having trouble getting it to work. |
| 21:18.18 | treke|home | then dont use it |
| 21:19.23 | nasa | Damn, didn't mean to get anyone feathers ruffled up.... |
| 21:23.00 | nasa | bbl |
| 21:24.00 | treke|home | kergoth: how goes it today? |
| 21:26.17 | Sythos | excuse me, i'm triing qtopia, but i have a problem in setting, section "software packages", the URL ny trolltech doesn't work... |
| 21:26.41 | Sythos | -> Network operation (get) failed for url: http://www.qtopia.net/packages/Packages |
| 21:28.02 | treke|home | submit a bug to trolltech |
| 21:30.58 | Sythos | ^_^ |
| 21:31.06 | Sythos | there isn't i18n... |
| 21:31.10 | Sythos | loading of transl failed: /opt/Qtopia/qtopiadesktop/i18n/it_IT.ISO-8859-1/libfileinstaller.qm |
| 21:31.17 | Sythos | ok...bug... |
| 21:31.24 | treke|home | submit a bug to trolltech |
| 21:32.45 | Sythos | ah... |
| 21:33.05 | Sythos | i'm writing email, they haven't bugzilla like system |
| 21:33.06 | Sythos | but |
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| 21:33.19 | Sythos | if I don't want use qtopiadesktop |
| 21:33.32 | Sythos | how tools can I use to sync opie with evolution? |
| 21:33.48 | Harlekin | kitchensync in future |
| 21:34.30 | Sythos | i don't use kde..... |
| 21:34.41 | Sythos | I have QT libraries |
| 21:34.47 | Sythos | I've tried to compile kitchen |
| 21:35.05 | Sythos | but it want a version of QT lib with version successive than debian provide |
| 21:35.35 | Harlekin | debian has 3.1.2 |
| 21:35.40 | Harlekin | that should be new enougj |
| 21:36.22 | Sythos | which debian? sid? |
| 21:36.28 | Harlekin | yes |
| 21:36.37 | Sythos | eh... i use sarge... |
| 21:41.42 | Sythos | i hope in opie_sync development |
| 21:41.49 | Sythos | but it is still alpha version |
| 21:55.41 | chouimat | kergoth: I like that one:distcc-2.0.1 "colorful savings on all your favorite medications" |
| 22:04.13 | lsmith | is stable still the most recent |
| 22:04.23 | lsmith | or have there been updates into testing or unstable? |
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| 22:33.42 | ccamp | is there a program to make packages installed from the command line show up in opie? |
| 22:34.08 | ccamp | like when you ipkg -d ram install something, it doesnt create the sym links does it? |
| 22:34.18 | kergoth | ipkg-link add packagename |
| 22:34.25 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/mountpoint |
| 22:34.30 | kergoth | take your pick |
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| 23:14.12 | gaurdian | well, personally, if I were you I would design and build a zaurus like PDA, I mean and then pub;lish the specs, and give them away, instead of selling them |
| 23:14.31 | gaurdian | and makes the specs free, as in freedonm |
| 23:14.35 | treke|home | ? |
| 23:14.43 | Sythos | [OT] a CF wireless adapter tested on familiar, hint? |
| 23:19.10 | ||ugh | gaurdian, there allready is a project like what you described, over at: http://www.simputer.org/simputer/ |
| 23:23.51 | Harlekin | ||ugh: drw fixed your bugreport |
| 23:24.19 | |ryan| | gah, anyonr know how to turn off sshd? |
| 23:26.48 | JasonNJ | sup guys. |
| 23:27.47 | TheMasterMind1 | |ryan|: /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 23:27.53 | TheMasterMind1 | drw-: hey you here? |
| 23:28.40 | |ryan| | TheMasterMind1: and keeping it from starting at boot>? |
| 23:29.00 | TheMasterMind1 | rm /etc/rc2.d/ssh |
| 23:29.04 | kergoth`bbl | |ryan|: find /etc -name [SK]*ssh | xargs rm |
| 23:29.14 | treke|home | ipkg remove ssh |
| 23:29.30 | TheMasterMind1 | oh yea |
| 23:29.32 | TheMasterMind1 | thats wrong |
| 23:29.36 | TheMasterMind1 | treke|home: haha |
| 23:29.41 | TheMasterMind1 | rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ssh |
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| 23:56.07 | sheenmaster | OZ 3.2 was released 2 damn days ago and no one told me!? |
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| 23:56.20 | treke|home | no |
| 23:56.48 | treke|home | draw what conclusions you wish from that |
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| 23:59.46 | sheenmaster | does anyone know if kaffe and kismet work again? |
