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| 00:04.57 | gaurdian | well, so far things are very smooth... |
| 00:07.26 | gaurdian | OK...never network installed a ipk...how do I do it ? |
| 00:29.12 | kennyj | you know how the backlight is on by default whenever you start the Z? Is there any way to make it off by default, so that you just have to hold the menu button to turn it on (opposite the default behavior) but still have the auto-dim/off features work? |
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| 00:42.03 | gaurdian | jwiz ok I have stable selected, how do I get a list of whats on there ? |
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| 00:51.41 | kennyj | anyone here know if there's a suitable *nix equivalent to MS Exchange? |
| 00:53.23 | kennyj | I'm going to have to build a server for my job that fully integrates into MS Office... the employees are literally too stupid to learn any alternatives, unfortunately. Mainly the server needs to integrate into Exchange and the usual file-sharing BS (Samba handles that just fine.) |
| 00:54.49 | kennyj | I should be able to talk them out of frontpage integration (they don't really need it) and Access > SQL Server integration (If they need a server-side database, I'll do it my damn self in mySQL or some shit) but they NEED Exchange functionality. |
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| 00:55.55 | kennyj | If I can keep them from shelling out for Win2k Server, I'll look pretty damn good. Esp. since it won't be crashing so often. ^_^ |
| 00:56.31 | brett_ | Hey, is there any way to configure ppp with the network applet in OZ 3.2? |
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| 01:09.25 | nasa | Anyone tried oz3.2? |
| 01:10.15 | brett_ | yeah |
| 01:10.45 | brett_ | IR works, konqueror installs without hassle, kismet works with no tweaking |
| 01:10.53 | brett_ | Those were my 3 issues. :) |
| 01:11.17 | nasa | Yeah, but it doesn't mount a ext3 partition (last one did) |
| 01:11.52 | brett_ | hmm |
| 01:12.35 | nikki | ext3 is not supported in the Z's kernel |
| 01:13.01 | nasa | Yeah, I noticed ... But why? It was in the last development release |
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| 01:13.16 | kenb | no ext3 support? Grr... |
| 01:13.31 | nikki | hmmm, did it? |
| 01:13.38 | nikki | gah, didn't even notice |
| 01:13.45 | nasa | Yes, it did |
| 01:13.48 | kenb | I thought rc3.1 did. Might be wrong tho |
| 01:14.31 | kenb | I'd have to check the config in bk |
| 01:14.41 | kenb | woah. |
| 01:14.46 | kenb | someone added X11 to buildroot. scary |
| 01:15.26 | nasa | what would happen if you mounted a ext3 partition as ext2? |
| 01:15.58 | kenb | you wouldn't have the journalling enabled |
| 01:16.02 | kenb | but otherwise, no problems. |
| 01:16.04 | nikki | no journalling, that's pretty much all of it |
| 01:16.31 | nasa | cool, that at least allows me to mount my sd card... |
| 01:16.48 | kenb | interesting. EXT3 isn't even listed in the .config |
| 01:18.07 | nasa | qtopiadesktop doesn't want to connect anymore (under linux) -- damnit I just had it working |
| 01:18.21 | nasa | on rc3.2 that is |
| 01:18.52 | kenb | hm. they enabled ipv6 |
| 01:21.06 | kenb | I don't see ext3 support at all in the any kernel. |
| 01:21.33 | kenb | I bet the change to util-linux-mount is causing that |
| 01:21.59 | kenb | I think it used to silently ignore ext3, and mount as ext2 |
| 01:22.04 | kenb | that behaviour might have changed |
| 01:22.53 | nasa | kenb, I think I maybe mistaken. On rc3.2 It failed to mount automagically, so I changed the /etc/fstab to make it work... |
| 01:23.11 | nasa | ext3 was definitely in the previous stable version, however |
| 01:24.49 | nasa | And why doesn't qtopiadesktop connect anymore? |
| 01:26.50 | kennyj | gah.. is there an option in cp to print the name of each file being copied? |
| 01:27.01 | kennyj | stupid lack of manpages... |
| 01:29.11 | kennyj | grr... so -v IS a valid option - it's just not implemented in busybox. >.< |
| 01:30.14 | kennyj | anyone know if there's a full version of cp in binary form for the Z? |
| 01:31.47 | HCl | nite |
| 01:32.21 | HCl | that all depends on your definition of full version |
| 01:32.22 | HCl | good night |
| 01:32.40 | kennyj | as in, has -v and -a implemented, at least. |
| 01:32.48 | kennyj | not as limited as busybox. |
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| 01:38.48 | brett_ | kenb, are you simply trying to access an ext3 partition? |
| 01:38.49 | gaurdian | Starting VNC Server kills opie and drops the Z to a login prompt |
| 01:39.12 | brett_ | son of a |
| 01:40.29 | gaurdian | and then rebooting from command line locks it hard |
| 01:41.12 | ccamp | An error occured while loading http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=7: |
| 01:41.13 | ccamp | Timeout on server |
| 01:41.13 | ccamp | Connection was to www.openzaurus.org at port 80 |
| 01:41.18 | ccamp | i f*ckin hate that shit |
| 01:41.29 | ccamp | their damn link is a POS |
| 01:43.18 | gaurdian | that is definatelyt not good |
| 01:43.33 | ccamp | it is sporadic |
| 01:43.43 | ccamp | i jsut got the root fs dl fine |
| 01:43.52 | brett_ | It's hosted by sourcforge isn't it? |
| 01:44.01 | kenb | brett_: I'm not doing anything... |
| 01:44.12 | kenb | SF sucks. |
| 01:44.15 | brett_ | Yeah |
| 01:44.19 | brett_ | But it's free so... |
| 01:44.20 | kenb | 25% of my connection attempts to them fail. |
| 01:44.32 | kenb | there are other, free, more reliable systems out there. |
| 01:45.21 | ccamp | 21 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 95% packet loss |
| 01:45.23 | ccamp | lol |
| 01:45.25 | gaurdian | welp.....guess I dont use a vnc server, but something botheres me about that batt....battery seems to drain faster under 3.2 |
| 01:48.02 | brett_ | It's got a more fine grained battery meter. Are you sure it's not just showing you more detail? |
| 01:49.50 | gaurdian | Its draining faster |
| 01:50.13 | gaurdian | I went from full to under 25% in 30mins..... |
| 01:50.20 | gaurdian | thats not normal |
| 01:50.40 | kenb | check ps and top or whatever |
| 01:50.49 | kenb | ensure you don't have a runaway proc eating 100% cpu |
| 01:51.00 | gaurdian | I did...nothing |
| 01:52.13 | ccamp | is teh Control-C feature fixed in 3.2 from the console? |
| 01:52.33 | gaurdian | also aneother issue, when connected to JUST lan I can hit any www site with no probs, when connected to cradle AND lan I cant if I use name, I must use IP..seems the route gets screwed up |
| 01:52.50 | gaurdian | dident have any these issues with 3.1rc3 |
| 01:53.12 | ccamp | um |
| 01:53.17 | ccamp | no, that sounds like a dns issue |
| 01:53.25 | ccamp | cat your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:53.35 | gaurdian | I DID check the dns...its fine |
| 01:53.54 | kenb | gaurdian: do you have 2 default routes? |
| 01:54.13 | gaurdian | and I know its not a DNS uissue, read what I said. it works FINE when not in cradle |
| 01:54.16 | kenb | ccamp: crtl+c was suppose to be fixed. |
| 01:54.19 | gaurdian | kenb no, I dont |
| 01:54.49 | gaurdian | you CANT have 2 defauklt routs anyway |
| 01:54.52 | kenb | k. Cause I know with usb + 802.11b, I had 2 default routes.. so every connection would out a different path |
| 01:54.55 | kenb | yes you can. |
| 01:55.19 | kenb | default |
| 01:55.19 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.19 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.25 | kenb | 2 default routes. |
| 01:55.32 | kenb | same metric tool. |
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| 01:55.45 | kenb | I load balance outbound connections. |
| 01:55.47 | gaurdian | well, it dident do this in the RC |
| 01:55.53 | Shdwdrgn | is there a doc or info somewhere on how to get the boot process to show up again under rc3.1? |
| 01:55.54 | kenb | probably not :) |
| 01:56.03 | kenb | Shdwdrgn: use the debug images. |
| 01:56.31 | treke|ho1e | kergoth`bbl: good news. I might be able to swing a mirror once we get the permits for the new line :) |
| 01:56.36 | Shdwdrgn | I've already got the system set up... do I need to reflash to re-enable this? |
| 01:56.53 | kenb | Shdwdrgn: probably. You need to replace the zImage with one of the debug ones. |
| 01:57.01 | Shdwdrgn | bummer |
| 01:57.05 | kenb | you could always just install the new kernel |
| 01:57.20 | kenb | but I don't know how to play with the bootloader so it would boot. |
| 01:57.29 | Shdwdrgn | me either |
| 01:57.33 | gaurdian | and the cradle lock issue is really bad |
| 01:58.42 | brett_ | jeez guardian, anything you do like? |
| 01:59.01 | gaurdian | uh...you think I shouldent report the bugs ? |
| 01:59.10 | mithro | anyone know where you can get an opie feed that is in the old format? |
| 01:59.20 | brett_ | Yeah, that's what I just said. |
| 01:59.25 | brett_ | Read what I wrote. :) |
| 01:59.32 | gaurdian | I read what you wrote |
| 01:59.56 | gaurdian | there are several things I like about it |
| 01:59.59 | brett_ | "<gaurdian> and the cradle lock issue is really bad" isn't really a bug report dude. |
| 02:00.08 | brett_ | It's just bitching in an irc room. |
| 02:00.22 | gaurdian | whatever you say..... |
| 02:00.28 | gaurdian | its not kjust bitching |
| 02:00.50 | brett_ | k |
| 02:00.57 | gaurdian | the fact that the Z will lock up if you reboot it while in the cradle is a bug |
| 02:01.20 | brett_ | So go report it. |
| 02:02.50 | kenb | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=43045 |
| 02:03.11 | gaurdian | uh..I klnow where that is thank you |
| 02:03.19 | kenb | bug reports filed via IRC rarely get fixed, unless someone's sitting with the buildroot open, and $EDITOR working on it already ;) |
| 02:03.53 | kenb | Sounds like that bug is already reported. |
| 02:04.14 | kenb | 711444 |
| 02:04.25 | kenb | OZ locking up in USB cradle |
| 02:05.02 | ccamp | i know its an old questoin, but what is hte dif between the konqueoe full and the konq snapshot + gif plugin? |
| 02:05.19 | brett_ | Besides, it's not a bug. It's a subtle hint to encourage work on a better sync system. :) |
| 02:05.53 | gaurdian | heh...its a bug |
| 02:06.18 | kenb | reproducable lockups are bugs. |
| 02:08.13 | brett_ | Oh yeah? :) |
| 02:10.57 | brett_ | kismet-qt seems to have been removed from the feeds. |
| 02:12.25 | ccamp | weeeeee |
| 02:12.31 | ccamp | the Control-C iissue is fixed! |
| 02:19.03 | mithro | opie apps kick ass |
| 02:25.52 | Shdwdrgn | in the package manager, I noticed some of the blue dots have stars on them now... what's the star mean? |
| 02:26.30 | ccamp | maybe upgrade? |
| 02:26.45 | ccamp | upgragable i mean |
| 02:26.50 | ccamp | upgradeable |
| 02:26.57 | ccamp | gar stupid beer! |
| 02:26.58 | Shdwdrgn | hmmm |
| 02:27.23 | Shdwdrgn | or maybe just different version from what's installed... I would think the stuff on my CF card is probabaly older |
| 02:27.52 | ccamp | yeah i dunno actually..i was merely guessing :P |
| 02:36.03 | brett_ | It's supposed to mean upgradable |
| 02:36.24 | brett_ | But yeah, I've noticed the same thing. Probably just shows if the versions don't match. |
| 02:36.50 | ccamp | anyone know if xmms was put back into the feeds? |
| 02:37.33 | nikki | xmms is not in the stable (3.2) feeds |
| 02:37.33 | brett_ | It's not in the feeds. |
| 02:37.46 | brett_ | Not in any of em. I'm wondering why kismet-qt was removed. |
| 02:37.50 | ccamp | i hate using mediaplayer for mp3s |
| 02:38.15 | ccamp | is that what you guys use? |
| 02:38.30 | brett_ | I normally use the tkc player. |
| 02:38.31 | nikki | i use op2 |
| 02:38.36 | brett_ | Gonna check out the opie one now though. |
| 02:38.44 | kennyj | hey, is there a newer version of opera or the hancom apps than what comes with the 5500? (which I extracted ^_^) |
| 02:38.50 | brett_ | yes |
| 02:38.54 | brett_ | I saw it on the 5600s at ces |
| 02:39.08 | brett_ | I should've asked them if they had a copy |
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| 02:40.02 | kennyj | yes, you should've! >.< |
| 02:40.04 | kennyj | :) |
| 02:40.04 | nikki | we should have the one with ssr, hehe |
| 02:41.37 | nasa | so has anyone gotten qtopiadesktop to work with oz3.2? |
| 02:41.58 | nikki | hmm, let me try it |
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| 02:43.04 | nikki | mine's ok |
| 02:45.10 | brett_ | You know what would be cool? A way to change the backlight intensity based on battery life. So say, you're down to 50% power, have the backlight auto-dim. |
| 02:45.58 | brett_ | Although I normally just leave mine set to 1 tick above off when not plugged into power... |
| 02:46.12 | kennyj | you know how the backlight is on by default whenever you start the Z? Is there any way to make it off by default, so that you just have to hold the menu button to turn it on (opposite the default behavior) but still have the auto-dim/off features work? |
| 02:46.45 | brett_ | hmm |
| 02:47.03 | brett_ | I'm not sure what controls the backlight. |
| 02:47.26 | nikki | someone should edit the killefiz entry for oz |
| 02:47.35 | brett_ | Check the rc scripts to see if it's set there. |
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| 02:50.19 | tzanger | so is 3.2 released yet? |
| 02:50.22 | tzanger | (I'm joking of course) |
| 02:50.29 | tzanger | evening all |
| 02:50.42 | ccamp | H0 h0 h0 |
| 02:50.46 | ccamp | what up tzanger |
| 02:51.10 | tzanger | not much |
| 02:51.21 | tzanger | dammit, kergoth isn't around for my witty entrance |
| 02:54.30 | brett_ | Correct me if I'm being an idiot, but shouldn't /tmp (symlinked to /var/tmp) be in ram? Not the root fs? |
| 02:58.03 | kennyj | anybody know anything about the vim packages in stable? Which ones should I use? |
| 02:58.23 | brett_ | I thought vim was bundled with 3.2? |
| 03:02.43 | kergoth`bbl | brett_: you're being an idiot. it is in ram. /var is a ramfs filesystem. |
| 03:03.57 | kennyj | it was? |
| 03:04.05 | kennyj | I didn't even look... I just installed. |
| 03:04.18 | brett_ | Was in the readme |
| 03:04.27 | brett_ | Er, release notes |
| 03:04.29 | brett_ | try it |
| 03:04.53 | kennyj | *gasp* you mean people read those things? |
| 03:04.55 | kennyj | ;) |
| 03:05.10 | brett_ | hehe |
| 03:05.18 | kergoth | uh |
| 03:05.32 | kergoth | vim is in oz, but not in the images. |
| 03:05.39 | kergoth | and fyi, stable _is_ 3.2 |
| 03:06.07 | brett_ | "Numerous new applications, such as vim, screen, python, et cetera." Sorry, thought that meant it was bundled. |
| 03:06.25 | kergoth | i know what it says, i wrote it. |
| 03:06.34 | djr | kergoth: any chance of getting expat and qtjim in the feeds? |
| 03:06.52 | brett_ | kergoth: Jeez quit being so touchy. I was admitting I read it wrong. |
| 03:06.53 | brett_ | sheesh |
| 03:07.42 | gaurdian | hey kergoth , did you try vnc server on 3.2 ? |
| 03:07.50 | kennyj | wierd... where's nmap? it says you added it in the changelog, but I don't see it in the stable feed. |
| 03:08.03 | kergoth | probably didnt compile at the time that we built the feeds |
| 03:08.23 | kergoth | we use upstream sources from debian unstable for most things, and those sources vanish as new versions become available. |
| 03:09.16 | tzanger | evening kergoth, congrats on getting 3.2 out |
| 03:09.20 | kergoth | gaurdian: nope, didnt have a chance |
| 03:09.22 | kergoth | thanks |
| 03:09.28 | brett_ | Yes, 3.2 fixed every issue I was having. Thanks. :) |
| 03:09.52 | kergoth | just discovered my 2.95.3 toolchain w/ newer binutils builds kernels for my c700 that dont boot :\ |
| 03:10.27 | gaurdian | OK, well FYI after the install and reboot, you tap the coprners like normal. BUT if you start it its kills opie and drops you yo a login ptompt |
| 03:10.51 | kergoth | okay, so the touch screen / input daemon is running, but it cant start he actual vnc server process |
| 03:10.54 | kergoth | fun |
| 03:11.05 | kergoth | open a bug report on sf if you havent alreayd. |
| 03:11.07 | kergoth | already |
| 03:11.12 | gaurdian | will do |
| 03:11.30 | kergoth | god isnt there a recent binutils that doesnt make shit blow up? |
| 03:12.26 | kennyj | anyone know what vim packages do what? I'm curious... but I tried installing them all to see what happens, and they take up a TON of space. >.< |
| 03:12.40 | Shdwdrgn | so does the installed fdisk actually work in 3.2? <grin> |
| 03:12.46 | kennyj | Too much, really. Borked a few things because of some stupid things I tried. |
| 03:12.47 | kergoth | no, it bus errors |
| 03:12.52 | Shdwdrgn | damn |
| 03:12.52 | gaurdian | no, you need to get the one from ZSI |
| 03:13.27 | kergoth | fdisk in busybox, and fdisk in util-linux _both_ bus error when I build em |
| 03:13.35 | kergoth | which is completely nonsensical, being independent codebases |
| 03:13.50 | Shdwdrgn | kergoth: I had the same problem, that's why I asked |
| 03:13.52 | kergoth | wonder if its our optimizations makin it explode |
| 03:14.03 | kennyj | very possible |
| 03:14.29 | brett_ | Is konqueror embedded still being worked on? |
| 03:14.48 | kennyj | I know glibc will likely fail if you do much more than -march... |
| 03:15.05 | kergoth | kennyj: yep. specifically, omitting the frame pointer makes it explode horribly |
| 03:15.09 | kergoth | (2.2.4 anyway) |
| 03:15.28 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 03:15.48 | kennyj | besides, it's not like you need to optimize fdisk anyways. It isn't protein folding, it's throwing a few bites at a block device. :) |
| 03:16.03 | kergoth | optimizations are passed to every build. |
| 03:16.49 | kennyj | I think I compiled it for Gentoo with -march, -O2 and -ffast-math, I may have snuck -fforce-addr in there too.... I forget. It's been awhile. |
| 03:16.54 | gaurdian | now why would a install say couldent open /usr/lib/ipkg/info/rdcalc.list ? Its always installed fine before |
| 03:16.57 | gaurdian | ls |
| 03:17.04 | kergoth | that error simply indicates it failed to install |
| 03:17.07 | kergoth | nothing more, nothing less |
| 03:17.14 | kennyj | That was fun, I had to manually edit the ebuild to make it optimize anything past -march=386 |
| 03:17.22 | gaurdian | OK...no way to tell WHY it dident install ? |
| 03:17.30 | kergoth | try installing it from console |
| 03:17.38 | kergoth | with -V 5 or something |
| 03:17.41 | kergoth | ipkg has verbosity options now |
| 03:17.46 | kennyj | but where's the fun in that? |
| 03:17.52 | gaurdian | ok |
| 03:18.30 | kergoth | why isnt there a semirecent binutils that can compile kernels? |
| 03:18.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:19.23 | _Psycho | I never get bored from watching Hackers :) |
| 03:19.26 | _Psycho | heya whats up ^ |
| 03:19.27 | _Psycho | ? |
| 03:19.42 | gaurdian | whats the dest for SD ? |
| 03:20.01 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.05 | kergoth | or just 'sd' |
| 03:20.32 | kennyj | ok... why oh why must vim install in /usr? |
| 03:20.42 | kergoth | uhh |
| 03:20.47 | kennyj | that kinda screws up the whole root on SD thing I'm trying to do... it takes up a ton of space. |
| 03:20.49 | kergoth | vim installs in /usr on every linux box. |
| 03:20.53 | kergoth | this is no exception |
| 03:21.04 | kennyj | I know. That doesn't mean I have to like it though. :) |
| 03:21.52 | kennyj | Would help if I knew exactly what these myriad different packages did, but nobody seems to have a clue aside from the fact that they're all related to vi somehow. |
| 03:21.59 | kennyj | :) |
| 03:22.00 | kergoth | well i'm just saying, you can complain as much as you like, but its not changing. |
| 03:22.06 | kennyj | k |
| 03:22.06 | kergoth | talk to docwhat when he's around |
| 03:22.11 | kergoth | he maintains the vim packages |
| 03:22.28 | kennyj | when is he usually around? |
| 03:22.43 | kergoth | ibot: seen docwhat |
| 03:22.43 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 5d 22h 23m 50s ago, saying: 'chouimat|away: You don't say.'. |
| 03:23.05 | kennyj | ahh. |
| 03:26.27 | ccamp | whats the good word kergoth |
| 03:26.58 | kennyj | Tourists are evil. |
| 03:27.03 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 03:27.14 | ccamp | terrorist |
| 03:27.17 | tzanger | kennyj: where are you that tourists abound? |
| 03:27.23 | kennyj | Florida |
| 03:27.28 | ccamp | all tourists are terrorists |
| 03:27.31 | kennyj | Immediately south of Disney. |
| 03:27.32 | tzanger | kennyj: ahh... my wife's grandparents are snowbirds |
| 03:27.43 | kennyj | I mean, in the mouse's shadow |
| 03:27.53 | tzanger | other side of the state though... Lakeland |
| 03:28.17 | kennyj | dude, that's not the other side of the state. My daily commuse has me going to Lake Mary. Which is a good 5 miles past Lakeland. :) |
| 03:28.29 | kennyj | That's the other side of Orlando, but not the other side of the state. :) |
| 03:28.40 | tzanger | hmm ok I must be confused.. We visited them last year and I thought it was the other side of the state |
| 03:28.50 | tzanger | :-) |
| 03:29.00 | Shdwdrgn | sweet! You fixed the problem with locking the wireless when it was first configured. |
| 03:29.02 | kennyj | heh... nope. A long fuggin drive expecially in traffic, but not the other side of the state. |
| 03:29.44 | kennyj | Next time you visit, just hit I-4 heading west. Follow the signs you'll see after at least 45 minutes and you'll hit Disney no problem. |
| 03:30.11 | tzanger | kennyj: we went to disney as well |
| 03:30.13 | tzanger | and kennedy |
| 03:30.14 | kennyj | Just don't do it at around 9AM or between 5 and 7 in the evening... |
| 03:30.29 | kennyj | now kennedy IS on the other side of the state. |
| 03:30.36 | kennyj | well, sorta. |
| 03:30.46 | kergoth | Shdwdrgn: :) |
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| 03:31.06 | kennyj | Lakeland is at the nothern edge of the central part of the state, kennedy is on the east coast of the peninsula. |
| 03:31.24 | kennyj | heh, I'm learning my Florida geography pretty well for a New Yorker that never used to leave the house. :) |
| 03:31.33 | Shdwdrgn | oops... not quite... it STILL locks the machine if I reboot with the wireless inserted |
| 03:31.34 | tzanger | we drove from (close to) Toronto down to Lakeland, spent the week and went to Disney and Kennedy, then went back for a few more days and went home :-) |
| 03:31.40 | tzanger | now THAT was a long fugging drive |
| 03:31.52 | kennyj | heh, I can imagine |
| 03:32.06 | kennyj | I used to drive between NY and Florida, that was bad... Toronto just HAD to suck |
| 03:32.09 | gaurdian | well, says it installed fine, but wont start and I cant even find the app |
| 03:32.25 | tzanger | if I ever do that again I won't ever try to drive through the night, even with 3 drivers |
| 03:32.27 | kennyj | but at least you didn't have to contend with Manhatten on the way out. Kiss half a day goodbye just to go 50 miles or so. :) |
| 03:32.28 | tzanger | it's just too much |
| 03:32.56 | kennyj | yeah, that's a ridiculous drive. |
| 03:33.57 | tzanger | it took two days driving through the night, and it took two days staying at a hotel overnight. bah. |
| 03:34.02 | tzanger | I'll never make that mistake again |
| 03:34.11 | tzanger | especially with three kids under 6 |
| 03:34.47 | treke|home | mickeyl|zzZzzz|a: I put on on openzaurus.org last night |
| 03:35.43 | treke|home | ibot oz-ipaq |
| 03:35.44 | | methinks oz-ipaq is http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/oz-ipaq |
| 03:35.50 | treke|home | ibot forget oz-ipaq |
| 03:35.50 | | i forgot oz-ipaq, treke|home |
| 03:35.58 | kennyj | do any provinces in Canada have their own distinct smell that you have to drive through? |
| 03:36.04 | treke|home | ibot oz-ipaq is http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 03:36.05 | | okay, treke|home |
| 03:36.08 | kennyj | New Jersey has it's own smell. It's interesting. |
| 03:36.23 | kennyj | It also makes you want to get the fuck through it as quickly as possible. ;) |
| 03:36.30 | tzanger | kennyj: _provinces_ ?? Jesus man our largest province is easily over four times the size of texas |
| 03:36.47 | tzanger | we have cities with their own smell... but not entire provinces |
| 03:36.51 | kennyj | heh |
| 03:37.33 | kennyj | of course, there's the population density thing. ;) |
| 03:38.46 | tzanger | heh yeah |
| 03:39.00 | tzanger | you guys have abot 30 million people in California... we have that many in the entire nation |
| 03:39.58 | tzanger | (I think that's right, I may be wrong there) |
| 03:42.36 | ccamp | someone should warez the tkc shit |
| 03:42.44 | tzanger | nah |
| 03:42.49 | treke|home | why? |
| 03:42.51 | tzanger | pay for it |
| 03:42.55 | treke|home | if you want their apps buy them |
| 03:42.56 | ccamp | ill pay for 1 |
| 03:43.03 | ccamp | bu tim not paying 100 for 5 apps |
| 03:43.04 | treke|home | then you can have one |
| 03:43.08 | kergoth | its a couple bucks for gods sake. cheap fucker |
| 03:43.22 | kergoth | hey ken |
| 03:43.24 | ccamp | cheap fucker? |
| 03:43.27 | ccamp | damn kid. |
| 03:43.28 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 03:43.30 | tzanger | ccamp: 5 of the same app? |
| 03:43.30 | kenb | hi kergoth |
| 03:43.31 | treke|home | ccamp: yes |
| 03:43.34 | kennyj | warez the Opera and Hancom shit. Leave tkc the fuck alone. ;) |
| 03:43.37 | treke|home | ccamp: your a cheap fucker |
| 03:43.40 | kenb | kergoth: did you see the stuff about ext3 support? |
| 03:43.45 | kergoth | what stuff/ |
| 03:43.56 | kergoth | we're on 2.4.6 for gods sake, of course its not supported |
| 03:43.57 | kenb | kergoth: reported that 3.2 doesn't mount ext3 formatted cards |
| 03:44.05 | kenb | someone claimed it worked in rc3.1 |
| 03:44.08 | kergoth | no. |
| 03:44.12 | kergoth | it wasnt mounting it as ext3 |
| 03:44.13 | kenb | which I couldn't understand how... |
| 03:44.15 | kergoth | it was mounting it ext2 |
| 03:44.16 | tzanger | why on earth would you want an ext3 card? |
| 03:44.21 | kenb | kergoth: that's what I suspected. |
| 03:44.30 | kergoth | tzanger: you wouldnt, it'd burn the flash faster due to the journal |
| 03:44.39 | tzanger | kergoth: that's what I thought... |
| 03:44.39 | kergoth | kenb: we used to be on busybox |
| 03:44.41 | kergoth | kenb: mount that is |
| 03:44.45 | kergoth | kenb: was less picky |
| 03:44.47 | kenb | kergoth: yea, I know... |
| 03:44.56 | kenb | now we're on util-linux-mount |
| 03:44.58 | kergoth | yeap |
| 03:44.59 | kenb | which is bitchy |
| 03:45.06 | kergoth | you tried 3.2 yet? |
| 03:45.10 | kenb | no. |
| 03:45.15 | kenb | probably sunday. |
| 03:45.28 | kenb | I moved during the past few days. I need to find my cable/cradle stuff. |
| 03:45.39 | tzanger | kenb: where'd you move to? |
| 03:45.56 | kenb | tzanger: about 25 mins. west of where I was before. Back home with mom :( |
| 03:46.08 | tzanger | there's nothing wrong with that |
| 03:46.09 | ccamp | cheap fucker |
| 03:46.09 | kenb | tzanger: The house I bought was delayed during construction for 5 months. |
| 03:46.25 | tzanger | kenb: that happened to my father in law |
| 03:46.28 | kenb | I actually sold + closed my condo *today* So I'm rich for a day. |
| 03:46.46 | kenb | I got to see a nice cheque for just over 20k deposited into my account. |
| 03:46.52 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 03:47.01 | tzanger | I did that once... it sure is nice to see |
| 03:47.02 | kenb | Yea. Until monday... |
| 03:47.20 | kenb | when i pop the $15k down for the new place in cash, instead of promises :) |
| 03:47.28 | tzanger | :-) |
| 03:47.38 | tzanger | we're looking for a place right now |
| 03:47.57 | kenb | I bought back in Sept. |
| 03:48.05 | tzanger | that's nuts |
| 03:48.06 | kenb | It was suppose to be done mid-april... |
| 03:48.11 | tzanger | we're looking at older houses though |
| 03:48.12 | treke|home | kergoth: So I've now got storage space for a source mirror once the new internet connection is up and running :) |
| 03:48.17 | kenb | but Jan 31st I got notice it was delayed. |
| 03:48.25 | tzanger | avg 20-40yrs, but one we're looking at is 140 years old |
| 03:48.31 | tzanger | (the one I'm in now is 102) |
| 03:48.33 | kergoth | treke|home: nice |
| 03:48.34 | kenb | yike |
| 03:48.55 | kenb | tzanger: That's old. Too many worries, like alumimum wiring, or asbestos, etcc... |
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| 03:49.11 | treke|home | kergoth: And since we'll have something like 6 times the bandwidth as before, I doubt anyone will mind :) |
| 03:49.13 | tzanger | oh dude the 140yr old one is amazing... 3.5 story, all natural hardwood... |
| 03:49.35 | tzanger | no UFFI, rewiring will need to be done but it's mostly modern, no asbestos |
| 03:49.35 | kenb | tzanger: But are the insides of the walls sane? That's what I've always been worried about. |
| 03:49.37 | treke|home | tzanger: just think of the maintanance :) |
| 03:49.51 | kenb | tzanger: ah, so you checked into abit already. |
| 03:49.55 | tzanger | treke|home: I'm in a 102 year old house right now... there's actually not much maintenance |
| 03:50.11 | tzanger | I mean sometimes you need to do pointing on the bricks but really it's not bad |
| 03:50.14 | kennyj | back then, they actually *built* houses. |
| 03:50.33 | kennyj | Today, they pretty much manufacture them and/or slap them together in a day or two. |
| 03:50.41 | kenb | kennyj: pretty much |
| 03:50.44 | tzanger | My house (one part anyway) uses *newspaper* inbehind the mortar... I pulled out a chunk of newspaper from the '30s |
| 03:50.50 | kenb | the avg. house build today might last 50 years. |
| 03:50.57 | kennyj | I used to live in Levittown, NY - the original manufactured suburb. |
| 03:51.16 | kennyj | Shit was falling apart by the time I moved out, and ours was well-maintained to. |
| 03:51.20 | tzanger | oh dear |
| 03:51.38 | kenb | Where I'm living now, it's only 17 years old... but it's had furnace / hot water heater / some windows, brick repair, and 2 bathrooms all replaced. |
| 03:51.55 | kenb | all within the past year... |
| 03:51.59 | tzanger | we have one cracked floor joist in the basement but it's been that way for 30 years (when the tore out the joist beside it to put stairs into the basement) |
| 03:52.47 | kennyj | my house right now is 12 or 13... no real issues. A few things have come up, but so far the worst was just a new motor for the central air conditioning system. |
| 03:52.47 | tzanger | I need to blow in insulation in a few of the exterior walls |
| 03:52.58 | tzanger | this winter was harsh |
| 03:53.11 | kennyj | Then again, this is one of the better communities. Outer walls made of cinder blocks and stucco... around here, some are made of freakin waferboard. |
| 03:53.19 | tzanger | my natural gas supplier is loving me |
| 03:53.25 | kennyj | Celebration is notorious for that, in fact. |
| 03:53.28 | kenb | tzanger: heh. |
| 03:53.37 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 03:53.39 | kenb | hehe |
| 03:53.41 | kennyj | I get the idea that I could do better with popscicle sticks and spit... |
| 03:53.42 | tzanger | I have some beans in the cupboard |
| 03:53.42 | kenb | bottle it for a cold day! |
| 03:54.20 | tzanger | a friend of mine had an experiment with his cousin... you _can_ bottle a fart. |
| 03:54.28 | treke|home | i've got my computer to keep me warm when it gets cold |
| 03:54.34 | kennyj | heh, me too |
| 03:54.41 | kenb | Mine's powered off :( |
| 03:54.50 | kenb | I need a fscking PCI wireless card with linux drivers. |
| 03:55.07 | kenb | They are apparently like gold... impossible to find unless you use ebay. |
| 03:55.11 | treke|home | its probably a good 5 degrees warmer at my desk than it is in my bedroom :) |
| 03:55.15 | tzanger | kenb: yeah |
| 03:55.21 | tzanger | I use orinoco in a PLX adaptor |
| 03:55.44 | tzanger | in fact that's how I'm talking to y'all :-) |
| 03:55.45 | kenb | nice. I can't find anything in stores. |
| 03:55.49 | _Psycho | treke, i didnt knew you had a oven next to your monitor, very handy ;) |
| 03:56.00 | kenb | It's all the newer linksys card, or the Dlink 650+, the 22mbps bastardized versions |
| 03:56.12 | tzanger | kenb: well the PLX adaptor you can get at FutureShop right now... but you need a nice Hermes/Orinoco card |
| 03:56.14 | treke|home | _Psycho: not an oven. next best thing, an athlon |
| 03:56.19 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 03:56.48 | _Psycho | just put some big ass, making a tons of noice, fans on it like mine, not too warm but you can be sure you wont sleep good =p |
| 03:56.48 | kenb | tzanger: My local FS was out. |
| 03:57.01 | kennyj | overclocked Dual Celeron rig. Two 366's at 550. At least, until Abit's capacitors deteriorated... now I can't OC at all. Cheap VRM... |
| 03:57.09 | tzanger | the thing to really watch for though, is that if you're going for a PCMCIA<-->PCI adaptor, PLX is NOT what you want |
| 03:57.11 | _Psycho | anyway ! going out to take a beer |
| 03:57.12 | _Psycho | later :) |
| 03:57.21 | tzanger | they are just a PCI<-->ISA adaptor, and the ISA end is wired for PCMCIA |
| 03:58.01 | kenb | tzanger: meh? You said you were using PLX tho ? |
| 03:58.30 | tzanger | kenb: yes. there is a kernel driver for "orinoco network card in a PLX board" combo |
| 03:58.47 | tzanger | if you use a regular old PCMCIA<-->ISA|PCI bridge chip, you can use any PCMCIA wlan card |
| 03:58.52 | tzanger | (well any supported one) |
| 03:58.53 | kenb | tzanger: ah. so I just want the normal pcmcia 2 pci adapter. |
| 03:59.30 | tzanger | kenb: exactly... _those_ are hard to come by... you need to look for one that claims to be able to plug ANY PCMCIA device into it... the PLX ones don't say that at all |
| 03:59.46 | kenb | ah |
| 04:00.12 | kenb | I've about given up on it. Too much fscking work. I might just live with cables across the floors for 6 months. |
| 04:00.22 | tzanger | heh |
| 04:00.49 | kenb | Maybe when I was like 18, with plenty of time on my hands to wander though 20 computer stores looking for crap, I'd do it. |
| 04:00.55 | tzanger | yeah |
| 04:01.17 | kenb | And dealing with all the different driver issues.. |
| 04:01.46 | tzanger | ebay is good for this stuff though, I hardly use ebay for anything not "buy it now" |
| 04:01.54 | tzanger | mind you I've bought over $100k through it |
| 04:01.55 | kenb | ie: USB doesn't work with SMP, and the broadcom chipset cards are unsupported, and the dlink 22mbps cards are unsupported, but you can't but the 11mbps ones anymore. blech. nightmare. |
| 04:05.43 | kenb | Looks like on ebay, they don't list the detailed about the cards - ie: chipset, or FCC ID, so it's likely the newer, unsupported cards. |
| 04:06.18 | tzanger | ? |
| 04:07.12 | tzanger | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3408598139&category=20321 |
| 04:07.58 | tzanger | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3409046055&category=20321 |
| 04:08.07 | tzanger | there's about 5 of that latter one |
| 04:08.26 | tzanger | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3409584153&category=20321 |
| 04:08.34 | tzanger | ^^^ that's an actual PCMCIA<-->PCI bridge |
| 04:10.40 | kenb | tzanger: I found a dlink-500 on ebay in ontario.. |
| 04:10.45 | kenb | so I'm gonna bid on that puppy |
| 04:10.52 | tzanger | kenb: cool |
| 04:11.12 | kenb | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20321&item=3408639925&rd=1 |
| 04:12.13 | tzanger | the chip on the PCI adaptor looks too small to be a PLX chip, you may be lucky there |
| 04:12.23 | kenb | i checked w/google... |
| 04:12.27 | kenb | it's supported |
| 04:12.39 | tzanger | yeah but is the chip in the PCI part of the pair supported? |
| 04:12.44 | kenb | odd.. it says it'll only do 40bit WEP on one advertisement. |
| 04:12.46 | kenb | yea |
| 04:12.54 | kenb | the 500 is the 650 w/PCI adapter. |
| 04:12.57 | tzanger | ahh okay |
| 04:12.59 | kenb | stupid numbering scheme |
| 04:13.33 | kenb | I bid on a 2nd once too |
| 04:13.49 | kenb | but low, so I probably won't get it. |
| 04:13.59 | treke|home | linksys has an actual pci wireless card, I think |
| 04:14.04 | tzanger | don't bother bidding until there's less than a minute left in the auction |
| 04:14.13 | tzanger | bidding otehrwise is just unnecessarily driving up the cost |
| 04:14.40 | kenb | treke: they do. It's unsupported... unless you have an older one. |
| 04:14.50 | treke|home | hehe figures |
| 04:15.01 | tzanger | yeah it's a shame |
| 04:15.07 | tzanger | the PCI ones were 20dBm |
| 04:15.10 | kenb | linksys got bought by cisco now too |
| 04:15.19 | kenb | tzanger: I want the 2nd one tho. |
| 04:15.28 | kenb | tzanger: I'd like to have 2 |
| 04:15.30 | treke|home | they do that with every card, one revision works, then the next one you buy is completly different |
| 04:15.38 | treke|home | with no indication on the box |
| 04:15.45 | kenb | Yea, linksys sucks for that. Changing chipsets but not model numbers. |
| 04:15.59 | kenb | I've sworn off Linksys as of a few months ago. |
| 04:16.26 | kenb | tzanger: Nice. My used Z came with the Linksys one. I haven't needed to replace it yet, but when I do, it'll be non-linksys |
| 04:16.53 | tzanger | the one I borrowed used a linksys card |
| 04:17.11 | kenb | Yea. you can't get at the stylus while it's in :( |
| 04:17.15 | tzanger | ? |
| 04:17.21 | tzanger | I ahd no troubles |
| 04:17.29 | kenb | must of had a WMP12 |
| 04:19.29 | chouimat | _Psycho: look at that page: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/instr.engl/fsa/studies/costs.html |
| 04:19.48 | chouimat | ibot change 6000 EUR to cad |
| 04:20.13 | chouimat | ibot change 62 EUR to cad |
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| 04:36.44 | biafradog | so what's the latest story on the Z tankin |
| 04:36.49 | biafradog | are the 5600s here? |
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| 05:01.25 | james_lan-me | hello |
| 05:01.54 | james_lan-me | the first interesting stuff? |
| 05:02.12 | treke|home | james_lan-me: you wouldnt be interested |
| 05:06.55 | james_lan-me | just wondering what it is (and are you sure I wouldn't be interested?) |
| 05:07.29 | treke|home | the build system and yes I'm sure |
| 05:09.12 | bgelb | is anybody in here familiar with the webpal? |
| 05:15.33 | kenb | yea |
| 05:15.41 | kenb | I am. I've got 4 of the little suckers. |
| 05:16.06 | bgelb | I have two |
| 05:16.13 | bgelb | any idea if I can make it support PCMCIA devices |
| 05:16.17 | bgelb | i.e. wireless network card |
| 05:16.39 | bgelb | I know the ISA slot isn't really a full blown ISA slot |
| 05:16.41 | kenb | doubt it... you'd need an ISA bridge card for them, and it would have to work in IRQ9 |
| 05:17.00 | treke|home | kenb: it in any wway worth pick one up? |
| 05:17.13 | kenb | treke: not unless you wanna play around for fun. |
| 05:17.30 | kenb | I'm hopeing to have some time to continue to OE port for them |
| 05:17.38 | treke|home | hehe. I've got my ipaqs for that :) |
| 05:17.40 | kenb | I have the base OS working, but I want to get Opie + stuff running. |
| 05:17.41 | bgelb | so ISA bridges usually don't work on IRQ 9? |
| 05:17.52 | kenb | ISA: usually you can't hard code them... |
| 05:18.02 | kenb | hell, I've never seen a pcmcia to ISA adapter. |
| 05:18.09 | kenb | only seen pcmcia to PCI ones. |
| 05:18.12 | bgelb | I have one |
| 05:18.15 | bgelb | ISA/PCMCIA |
| 05:18.20 | bgelb | but I don't know much about it |
| 05:18.21 | kenb | nice! |
| 05:18.25 | bgelb | it works in a 486 |
| 05:18.28 | bgelb | no idea about webpal |
| 05:18.29 | kenb | Well, jam it in and see what you can do |
| 05:18.34 | bgelb | yea I guess... |
| 05:18.42 | bgelb | I'm annoyed at the webpal people |
| 05:18.47 | kenb | Getting kernels on the webpal is a bitch |
| 05:18.52 | bgelb | they should have made it like the cirrus devboard |
| 05:19.02 | bgelb | it has 2 ISA slots |
| 05:19.09 | kenb | the webpal people? The company is outta business... so I think alot of people are annoyed with them :) |
| 05:19.13 | bgelb | hehe |
| 05:19.17 | kenb | 2 ISA slots wouldn't fit in the form factor. |
| 05:19.23 | bgelb | can only wonder why... |
| 05:19.25 | kenb | they did a version with a 10mbps ISA card in it. |
| 05:19.34 | kenb | those are harder to find tho. |
| 05:19.35 | bgelb | yea... but I think they are realer ISA slots |
| 05:19.43 | bgelb | and they had an embedded 10bt chip |
| 05:19.46 | bgelb | CS8900 or something |
| 05:19.53 | kenb | apparently it's a full ISA card |
| 05:19.54 | bgelb | I have a working ISA NIC |
| 05:19.58 | bgelb | for webpal |
| 05:20.08 | kenb | Cool. I've got 7 nics that work for them |
| 05:20.14 | kenb | and a buncha ram upgrades. |
| 05:20.18 | bgelb | anyways... you can't hardcode the ISA to PCMCIA bridge... |
| 05:20.21 | bgelb | can you hard wire it |
| 05:20.23 | kenb | My dev one is @ 16mb now. Much simpler :) |
| 05:20.44 | kenb | bgelb: maybe. or maybe it's just dumb, and relies on the card inside to setup IRQ's |
| 05:20.56 | bgelb | hmm... but there is only one IRQ anyway |
| 05:21.07 | kenb | yes. but there's no BIOS... |
| 05:21.16 | kenb | so no setup it done during "POST" |
| 05:21.57 | bgelb | know of any other cheap and available linux platforms |
| 05:22.03 | bgelb | I want to make a simple wirless gateway |
| 05:22.09 | kenb | I think they'd have made great projects for a college/uni class on teaching Linux development. |
| 05:22.31 | bgelb | yea... or comparch |
| 05:22.33 | bgelb | or something |
| 05:22.35 | kenb | bgelb: there's a bunch out there... you can get PC104 based stuff, or the ATX miniboard... |
| 05:22.48 | bgelb | right... but I'd wind up spending more than an off the shelf AP |
| 05:22.58 | kenb | yes. |
| 05:23.02 | bgelb | though I'd rather be able to set IPs and routing tables manually |
| 05:23.06 | bgelb | but |
| 05:23.11 | kenb | an off the shelf AP is like what... 75 bucks now? |
| 05:23.13 | bgelb | I would just buy a cheapo AP |
| 05:23.15 | bgelb | less |
| 05:23.20 | kenb | Yea. |
| 05:23.21 | bgelb | like $50 |
| 05:23.41 | kenb | I use a cheap AP, and then a linux box to do wavesec/ipsec/real firewalling and other services. |
| 05:24.04 | bgelb | yea |
| 05:24.09 | bgelb | well this is sort of a wierd application... |
| 05:24.16 | bgelb | I really need like a bridge |
| 05:24.17 | bgelb | not an AP |
| 05:24.26 | bgelb | I don't want all the NAT stuff built in |
| 05:24.35 | bgelb | cause I don't need/want that for my application |
| 05:25.30 | kenb | yea. |
| 05:25.38 | kenb | my AP does all the shit, but I don't use it |
| 05:25.39 | bgelb | I want to put a wireless device of some sort atop a 50ft tower... and run CAT5 and power down |
| 05:25.39 | biafradog | LART |
| 05:25.47 | kenb | I just plugged my FW into the internal port instead of external. |
| 05:25.47 | bgelb | I don't want to run coax up... cause its lsosty |
| 05:25.52 | kenb | So it's acting as a bridge now :) |
| 05:25.53 | bgelb | hmmmm |
| 05:26.02 | bgelb | I'm not too familiar with these things |
| 05:26.04 | bgelb | how that work |
| 05:26.11 | bgelb | I have always rolled my own APs |
| 05:26.13 | kenb | most have 1 "public" port... |
| 05:26.21 | kenb | and 4 private ports, and the wireless |
| 05:26.40 | kenb | instead of plugging into the public port, I plug into the private one.. |
| 05:26.41 | biafradog | what's the goal? |
| 05:26.46 | kenb | the private + wireless lan's are bridged. |
| 05:26.56 | bgelb | hmmm... can I use a public IP block |
| 05:27.05 | kenb | the goal is use a stock AP as a bridge instead of a nat/router/blah/etc... |
| 05:27.22 | kenb | you can use anything you want. Hell, you don't even need IP configured on the AP |
| 05:27.28 | bgelb | thats good... |
| 05:27.36 | kenb | mines configured for an IP range I don't remember anymore. |
| 05:27.40 | bgelb | hmm actually, when two clients associate with an AP |
| 05:27.46 | bgelb | they talk to each other VIA the AP right? |
| 05:27.55 | bgelb | so could the AP not be connected to any wired net at al |
| 05:28.00 | kenb | in Infrastructure mode, yes. |
| 05:28.03 | bgelb | hmmm |
| 05:28.19 | bgelb | something else to think about I guess |
| 05:28.23 | kenb | I don't even use the DHCP bit on the AP either. |
| 05:28.45 | kenb | My linux fw/gw box does dhcp/ddns/etc... and all that other crap |
| 05:28.51 | bgelb | yea |
| 05:29.09 | bgelb | well maybe I'll have to buy one |
| 05:29.27 | kenb | it's usually the cheapest way to go, if you just need a simple bridge |
| 05:29.47 | bgelb | yea... then I have to weatherproof it :-D |
| 05:29.50 | biafradog | hey, what did you mean by OE port? |
| 05:29.55 | bgelb | that shouldn't be too hard |
| 05:30.31 | kenb | biafradog: I've got OpenEmbedded running on my webpal |
| 05:30.58 | kenb | biafradog: at least the base OS bit. I need to get opie + gui crap built so it looks pretty |
| 05:31.10 | bgelb | kenb: my friend Aman has mentioned OE a couple times |
| 05:31.17 | bgelb | I guess he's pretty involved with OZ |
| 05:31.22 | biafradog | OE is sorta OZ but more general? |
| 05:31.28 | bgelb | talked about putting it on webpal |
| 05:31.32 | bgelb | but we haven't gotten to play with it |
| 05:31.37 | bgelb | and I don't know the first thing about it |
| 05:31.41 | kenb | biafradog: yea. OZ is sort of a distribution of OE |
| 05:32.05 | kenb | biafradog: think United Linux and SuSE... where SuSE is (apparently) based offa UL |
| 05:32.34 | kenb | biafradog: similar style of relationship. OE provides a framework for building distro's for embedded devices. |
| 05:32.52 | biafradog | Somebody's asked me to port OZ to their PDA, guess I'll have to look into OE :) |
| 05:32.57 | kenb | It really only took me 3 hours of code hacking to do the webpal port for armv3 CPU |
| 05:33.17 | kenb | biafradog: grab the OZ buildroot, and start hacking. |
| 05:33.36 | kenb | biafradog: which PDA ? |
| 05:33.54 | biafradog | nothing is finalized so I can't really talk about it |
| 05:33.58 | kenb | OE/OZ's been ported to ipaqs already, and most of the Sharp Zaurus line now. |
| 05:33.59 | biafradog | nothing special |
| 05:34.18 | kenb | if it's ARM based, or XScale, it will probably be a snap |
| 05:34.24 | biafradog | yep. |
| 05:34.58 | kenb | Seems like everyone's building PDA's now |
| 05:35.09 | biafradog | yep. :) |
| 05:35.17 | kenb | tough market to be in too. |
| 05:35.26 | biafradog | killer |
| 05:35.27 | kenb | unless your sync software kicks ass, everything sucks |
| 05:35.47 | kenb | Even the Zaurus sync software blows chunks. |
| 05:35.54 | biafradog | i've never got around to forkin out for z... |
| 05:36.05 | biafradog | the rumour mill churns and I'm almost glad now... |
| 05:36.16 | kenb | Shoulda grabbed one from Home Shopping Network |
| 05:36.24 | kenb | they wre like.. $187 or something crazy |
| 05:36.35 | biafradog | distinct possibility... again on the 5th apparently. |
| 05:36.40 | biafradog | 169 |
| 05:36.47 | kenb | really. I'll keep that in mind. |
| 05:36.48 | biafradog | so says #zaurus topic |
| 05:37.53 | kenb | ah |
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| 05:38.08 | kenb | I will have to inform my LUG |
| 05:38.15 | biafradog | I almost bit alst month at 229 |
| 05:38.21 | kenb | I'm doing a presentation on OE/OZ/Embedded Linux stuff |
| 05:38.38 | biafradog | and there are larts avail still so can't make up my mind |
| 05:38.46 | kenb | larts? |
| 05:39.15 | biafradog | http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ |
| 05:39.33 | kenb | ah |
| 05:39.58 | biafradog | jtag dongle is nifty |
| 05:40.35 | kenb | 230 UK. yikes |
| 05:40.42 | kenb | ibot: change 230 UK to CAD |
| 05:40.53 | kenb | ibot: change 230 GBP to CAD |
| 05:41.20 | biafradog | that's with KSB and net and jtag dongles... |
| 05:41.30 | biafradog | flash is additional 30-40 |
| 05:41.49 | biafradog | a buddy of mine has ordered one |
| 05:45.24 | kenb | sleep time for me |
| 05:46.08 | biafradog | ciao |
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| 06:11.51 | DavvOnZ | is there an ipk of Ubrowser that is mentioned in OZ3.2 news release? Ican not find it in any feeds. |
| 06:12.20 | treke|home | DavvOnZ: check the ipaq feed |
| 06:12.23 | treke|home | DavvOnZ: I built one |
| 06:12.35 | gaurdian | what is Ubrowser ? |
| 06:12.43 | DavvOnZ | treke: ok. thanx |
| 06:12.45 | treke|home | small simple webbrowser |
| 06:12.49 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 06:12.55 | gaurdian | better than konq ? |
| 06:13.03 | treke|home | really depends |
| 06:13.09 | treke|home | its much smaller than konq |
| 06:13.09 | gaurdian | on ? |
| 06:13.20 | gaurdian | more stable ? |
| 06:13.21 | treke|home | It doesnt render nearly as much as konqueror |
| 06:13.25 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 06:13.52 | treke|home | # du -sh /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ubrowser |
| 06:13.53 | treke|home | 33.0k /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ubrowser |
| 06:13.53 | treke|home | # du -sh /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror |
| 06:13.53 | treke|home | 4.2M /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror |
| 06:14.12 | gaurdian | wow |
| 06:14.31 | gaurdian | LOTS smaller |
| 06:15.01 | DavvOnZ | must only parse basic html tags. does it show pictures too? |
| 06:15.09 | treke|home | it does pictures |
| 06:15.13 | treke|home | it's just a QTextBrowser |
| 06:16.10 | gaurdian | what do the little stars mean in the installed packages view ? |
| 06:17.53 | DavvOnZ | that updates r available. expand it to show versions installed and available |
| 06:18.27 | gaurdian | uh...its a commercial closed source app...how does it know ? |
| 06:19.17 | treke|home | magic |
| 06:19.31 | gaurdian | I doubt it...probably a minor bug |
| 06:20.04 | DavvOnZ | is the ipk in the active feed? |
| 06:20.11 | gaurdian | no..... |
| 06:20.19 | gaurdian | its a tkc app |
| 06:21.20 | DavvOnZ | well, normally it means update is available. I guess itis bug. |
| 06:21.42 | gaurdian | not a big deal though |
| 06:25.01 | DavvOnZ | guardian: U have tkcjabber? is that stable all the time? |
| 06:27.43 | gaurdian | I uded to have tkcjabber, I got a refund on it as I dident like it at all |
| 06:27.48 | gaurdian | used to |
| 06:35.54 | treke|home | cool. nvrd packages *should* get generated |
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| 07:11.40 | sukoshi | hi from japan |
| 07:12.16 | sukoshi | and likes warwalking in tokyo |
| 07:14.13 | treke|home | awe fuck |
| 07:14.46 | treke|home | SourceTree := $(TOPDIR)/packages/nvrd wasnt as clever as I had thought |
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| 08:04.14 | treke|home | whoops |
| 08:04.21 | treke|home | its mem=26M not mem=26 |
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| 08:33.24 | sukoshi | hi |
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| 08:39.15 | mchang | hey all |
| 08:39.39 | sukoshi | hey from tokyo :) |
| 08:39.47 | mchang | wow... what time is it in tokyo? |
| 08:40.43 | sukoshi | cloudy |
| 08:40.54 | sukoshi | i m connected in a shop |
| 08:41.01 | sukoshi | with my c700 |
| 08:41.17 | sukoshi | unprotected access point |
| 08:41.24 | mchang | cool... |
| 08:41.28 | mchang | using oz3.2? |
| 08:41.50 | sukoshi | has it been released for the c700? |
| 08:41.58 | mchang | oh, nope |
| 08:42.16 | sukoshi | got2go |
| 08:42.21 | sukoshi | see ya |
| 08:42.25 | mchang | see you |
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| 10:21.06 | biafradog | anyone here built their own xgcc? |
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| 14:23.01 | james_lan-me | bewm:( ipkg upgrade killed ipkg :( |
| 14:23.23 | james_lan-me | and the system... argh |
| 14:24.40 | mickeyl | yeah, we need something like distupgrade. ipkg update; ipkg upgrade doesn't work yet. |
| 14:25.57 | james_lan-me | used to, but anyway... upgrade from exeremental cf flashing coming up |
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| 15:04.12 | Harlekin | omg |
| 15:04.14 | Harlekin | Drowned while crossing the Saddam Canal on March 24, 2003 |
| 15:05.42 | djr | ? |
| 15:11.32 | james_lan-me | ?? |
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| 15:46.46 | Freddie | hello everyone |
| 15:46.54 | Freddie | anyone here know much about OE for iPAQ? |
| 15:47.00 | Freddie | I was thinking of trying it today. . . |
| 15:47.10 | mickeyl | which ipaq model ? |
| 15:47.20 | Freddie | I have a 3850 and a 3650 |
| 15:47.26 | Freddie | is there one that works better than the other? |
| 15:47.32 | Freddie | (for OE I mean. . .) |
| 15:47.56 | mickeyl | generally, treke is the openIpaq wizar |
| 15:48.00 | mickeyl | wizard even |
| 15:48.10 | mickeyl | i flashed it yesterday to my 3650 |
| 15:48.15 | Freddie | how did it go? |
| 15:48.15 | mickeyl | and... it worked ! :-D |
| 15:48.22 | Freddie | kick butt |
| 15:48.29 | Freddie | what about syncing to "unstable"? |
| 15:48.32 | Freddie | did you do that |
| 15:48.34 | Freddie | or just the flash |
| 15:48.35 | Freddie | ? |
| 15:48.35 | mickeyl | yep, however, upgrading to unstable killed my system |
| 15:48.39 | Freddie | oh |
| 15:48.40 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:48.49 | Freddie | ok, /me makes note not to upgrade to unstable |
| 15:48.57 | Freddie | how was it "killed"? |
| 15:49.00 | Freddie | totally dead? |
| 15:49.04 | Freddie | just needs reflash? |
| 15:49.05 | Freddie | what? |
| 15:49.24 | mickeyl | just needs reflash, because of messed up busybox and kernel-modules during bootup. |
| 15:49.30 | mickeyl | upgrade even |
| 15:49.32 | mickeyl | not bootup |
| 15:50.24 | mickeyl | so, flashing and toying around seems pretty good, however upgrading to unstable is not recommended yet. treke said he will put up an updated image soon, IIRC |
| 15:50.36 | mickeyl | no idea how soon soon is, though :-D |
| 15:51.08 | killefiz | mickeyl: is the mickey-image config in the buildroot yours? |
| 15:52.04 | mickeyl | killefiz: that's mine, yeah |
| 15:52.25 | killefiz | i'm trying to understand the buildroot - how does that config differ from the standard-collie setup? |
| 15:52.58 | mickeyl | killefiz: my config has a few packages turned on which are not in the standard config because they are known to not build everytime |
| 15:53.33 | Freddie | sorry, had to help the wife for a bit |
| 15:53.41 | killefiz | ok |
| 15:56.18 | Freddie | :( |
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| 16:06.05 | Freddie | mickeyl: I assume then that you grabbed the march 3rd image? |
| 16:06.43 | Freddie | also, was curious, do you know if the 2.18.54 bootloader is recent enough? |
| 16:07.44 | mickeyl | Freddie: yep |
| 16:07.51 | mickeyl | Freddie: 2.18.54 is enough. |
| 16:08.14 | Freddie | cool |
| 16:09.22 | Stefan_ | hi! I can´t get the mouse input of the fbvncserver to work on OpenZaurus 3.2. It worked with 3.1rc3.1. any hints? |
| 16:09.24 | Freddie | I just hope someone somewhere has had the wherewithall to get USB working between ipaq and winxp |
| 16:09.32 | Freddie | to date, it hasn't ever worked quite right under load |
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| 16:25.27 | Freddie | its themastermind1! |
| 16:25.29 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:26.04 | TheMasterMind1 | wassup |
| 16:26.06 | TheMasterMind1 | 3.2 released |
| 16:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 16:26.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:26.12 | TheMasterMind1 | i should flash to 3.2 now |
| 16:26.14 | TheMasterMind1 | finally |
| 16:26.16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:26.17 | treke|home | mornin |
| 16:26.18 | TheMasterMind1 | shoulda flashed some of em experimentals |
| 16:26.31 | TheMasterMind1 | hey treke |
| 16:26.44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm where'd i put my cf and writer |
| 16:27.26 | treke|home | hahaha |
| 16:27.42 | Freddie | trekenator! |
| 16:27.43 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:27.51 | Freddie | treke: I am flashing oz-ipaq right now |
| 16:27.59 | treke|home | from what feed? |
| 16:28.00 | Freddie | treke: That's a shame |
| 16:28.03 | Freddie | oh, from yours |
| 16:28.06 | Freddie | sec, lemme get the URL |
| 16:28.14 | Freddie | http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/oz-ipaq/ |
| 16:28.16 | Freddie | that one |
| 16:28.21 | treke|home | ibot, oz-ipaq? |
| 16:28.22 | | [oz-ipaq] http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 16:28.26 | Freddie | should I be using a different one? |
| 16:28.56 | Freddie | ahhh, that looks roughly 24 days more rcent |
| 16:28.57 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:29.01 | Freddie | s/rcent/recent |
| 16:29.51 | Freddie | treke: I heard it was bad news to upgrade once flashed |
| 16:29.54 | Freddie | that still the case? |
| 16:30.14 | treke|home | what do you mean? |
| 16:30.32 | Freddie | apparently mickel flashed the march 3 build, and then upgraded to unstable |
| 16:30.34 | Freddie | had to reflash |
| 16:30.46 | treke|home | you cant upgrade to a zaurus feed |
| 16:30.54 | treke|home | that will break things |
| 16:30.59 | Freddie | http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/oz-ipaq/unstable/ |
| 16:31.04 | Freddie | that doesn't look like a zaurus feed tho |
| 16:31.07 | treke|home | That could have been the case |
| 16:31.34 | Freddie | regardless, I really appreciate your work on this |
| 16:31.36 | treke|home | I dont remember what the march third build was, but it could have been before kergoth made some changes |
| 16:31.42 | Freddie | I broke my Z screen like an IDIOT |
| 16:31.50 | Freddie | and now I have to use my 3850 instead of my Z |
| 16:31.52 | treke|home | and please keep in mind that is no longer the "unstable" feed |
| 16:32.07 | Freddie | ok |
| 16:32.11 | Freddie | :) |
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| 16:32.46 | Freddie | has this been tested at all on 3850's? |
| 16:32.49 | treke|home | all of the unstable stuff will go into the experimental feed on oz |
| 16:32.49 | Freddie | or just 3650's? |
| 16:32.52 | Freddie | (I have both) |
| 16:33.06 | treke|home | I havent actually tried this build on my 3650 yet |
| 16:33.11 | Freddie | oh |
| 16:33.13 | treke|home | It works on my 3800 just fine |
| 16:33.16 | Freddie | what is your "normal" ipag? |
| 16:33.19 | Freddie | ok, 3800 |
| 16:33.24 | Freddie | should work on my 3850 then |
| 16:33.25 | Freddie | thankya |
| 16:33.43 | treke|home | the 3800 is my normal ipaq. I've been testing on it since my last image worked great on the 3600 but barfed on the 3800 :) |
| 16:33.52 | Freddie | while downloading the march 27 image |
| 16:34.01 | Freddie | ahhh |
| 16:34.03 | Freddie | heh |
| 16:34.27 | Freddie | hrm |
| 16:34.47 | Freddie | apmd[585]: apmd 3.2.0 interfacing with apm driver 1.13 and APM BIOS 1.2 |
| 16:34.52 | Freddie | . |
| 16:34.52 | Freddie | .. |
| 16:34.52 | Freddie | ... |
| 16:34.52 | Freddie | (etc.) |
| 16:35.21 | Freddie | perhaps it is making an ssh key |
| 16:36.01 | treke|home | that happens on the zaurus also |
| 16:36.15 | Freddie | yeah, but on the Z, it does it on the Z screen |
| 16:36.18 | Freddie | :) |
| 16:36.39 | Freddie | ok, there it goes |
| 16:36.45 | Freddie | "Starting Opie-login" |
| 16:36.46 | treke|home | well the ipaq has no keyboard, so doing it on the serial terminal is a bit more expected |
| 16:38.44 | drw | treke|home: I did |
| 16:38.58 | treke|home | just saw the cvs commit |
| 16:39.08 | Freddie | hrm |
| 16:39.17 | Freddie | treke: no more serial login? |
| 16:39.21 | treke|home | Freddie: nope. |
| 16:39.27 | Freddie | k |
| 16:39.32 | treke|home | Freddie: you have to log out to get that. It's pending a bootmenu |
| 16:40.00 | treke|home | and if you log out the getty takes over your hardware buttons |
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| 16:42.58 | Freddie | treke, I cannot seem to set the date |
| 16:43.31 | treke|home | ok |
| 16:43.33 | Freddie | ok, well, time to try march 27 instead of march 3 |
| 16:43.50 | Freddie | load root |
| 16:43.51 | Freddie | oops |
| 16:44.09 | Freddie | k |
| 16:44.10 | Freddie | well |
| 16:44.18 | Freddie | I will soon be on the March 27th image |
| 16:44.28 | Freddie | I presume there are no SD drivers in it. . . |
| 16:45.57 | treke|home | no SD drivers |
| 16:45.59 | treke|home | never will be |
| 16:46.09 | Freddie | I figured |
| 16:46.16 | Freddie | I have a smallish MMC tho |
| 16:46.20 | Freddie | drivers for that? |
| 16:46.21 | treke|home | no one has written an SD driver for the ipaq |
| 16:46.34 | Freddie | there does exist an SD driver for the ipaq |
| 16:46.38 | Freddie | it has been written for linux |
| 16:46.41 | treke|home | Freddie: where? |
| 16:46.42 | Freddie | and it works just fine |
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| 16:46.48 | Freddie | Andrew what's his name |
| 16:46.52 | Freddie | I forget his last name |
| 16:46.56 | Freddie | CHristiansen I think |
| 16:46.59 | Freddie | at HP |
| 16:47.04 | Freddie | they just refuse to release it |
| 16:47.17 | treke|home | then there is no SD driver for linux |
| 16:47.28 | Freddie | well, yeah, I know what you mean |
| 16:47.31 | Freddie | its just irritating |
| 16:47.51 | treke|home | its a support nightmare |
| 16:48.04 | Freddie | not having it? |
| 16:48.09 | Freddie | or if they were to release it? |
| 16:48.13 | treke|home | binary only drivers |
| 16:48.17 | Freddie | yeah |
| 16:48.23 | Freddie | I thought someone had leaked the SD specs tho |
| 16:48.33 | treke|home | someone leaked something |
| 16:48.43 | treke|home | no clue whether or not it was useful |
| 16:48.48 | Freddie | heh |
| 16:48.53 | treke|home | or if it wasnt already public info |
| 16:48.54 | Freddie | ok, well, fair enough |
| 16:48.57 | Freddie | I just figured I would ask |
| 16:49.05 | Freddie | btw |
| 16:49.13 | Freddie | do you have a specific iPAQ boot loader you recommend? |
| 16:49.18 | Freddie | (I am on 2.18.54) |
| 16:49.32 | treke|home | nope |
| 16:58.06 | kergoth`bbl | hey |
| 16:59.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 16:59.33 | treke|home | kergoth: I learned an important buildroot lsson last night. |
| 16:59.47 | treke|home | kergoth: dont point SourceTree to packages/package-name |
| 17:00.46 | Twiun | lol |
| 17:00.55 | Twiun | treke|home: make clean mess things up? |
| 17:01.02 | treke|home | Twiun: yup :) |
| 17:01.23 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:01.25 | kergoth | doh |
| 17:01.46 | treke|home | it was annoying, not a hard Makefile to create, just a tedious one |
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| 17:02.59 | treke|home | kergoth: would enabling resume scripts in apm break things for the zaurus? |
| 17:03.10 | kergoth | treke|home: what scripts? |
| 17:03.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: 3.2 looks nice |
| 17:03.22 | kergoth | just do your ipaq check and exit right away in the ipaq specific ones |
| 17:03.41 | treke|home | kergoth: I thought that we didnt have resume script support in the current apm |
| 17:04.05 | kergoth | treke|home: if you have apmd running, you can use resume scripts |
| 17:04.09 | treke|home | oh ok |
| 17:04.33 | kergoth | apmd calls its event handler as events occur, which call the scripts |
| 17:04.39 | kergoth | in fact, we'd be in trouble if we couldnt |
| 17:04.42 | kergoth | cause otherwise opiealarm wouldnt be run :) |
| 17:05.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: weird ash behavior or something |
| 17:05.29 | TheMasterMind1 | in konsole |
| 17:05.30 | treke|home | I thought i heard you say you didnt do that because of a bug in the apm driver |
| 17:05.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ping something |
| 17:05.34 | TheMasterMind1 | then ctrl +c |
| 17:05.41 | TheMasterMind1 | try to scroll back in history.. its all gone |
| 17:05.51 | TheMasterMind1 | and then if you scroll down to an empty prompt its garbage |
| 17:05.53 | kergoth | yeah, must be an ash thing |
| 17:06.12 | treke|home | the ipaq usbnet driver is picky, has to be removed on suspend |
| 17:06.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ghmm |
| 17:06.42 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | that sounds like our behavior no.. suspend in cradle dies or something |
| 17:06.47 | TheMasterMind1 | we should try that |
| 17:06.54 | TheMasterMind1 | remove driver in suspend script |
| 17:07.07 | kergoth | yeah could do that as a hack |
| 17:09.10 | kergoth | hey mickey |
| 17:09.50 | Freddie | hey kergoth - you have any clue if the screen on a Zaurus can be fixed/repaired? |
| 17:09.57 | mickeyl | hiho kergoth. congrats to 3.2 which seems to be in a good shape. didn't hear of severe problems yet. |
| 17:10.07 | Freddie | (just the touch sensitive portion is screwed up) |
| 17:10.12 | kergoth | only by sending it into sharp |
| 17:10.19 | Freddie | oh, can they actually fix them? |
| 17:10.28 | kergoth | and the ts digitizer is in the same physical sealed thing as the lcd |
| 17:10.43 | Freddie | kergoth: I had figured it was all one piece |
| 17:10.52 | kergoth | when i broke my ts digitizer on my 5000d |
| 17:10.58 | kergoth | they wanted fucking $300 to replace it |
| 17:11.02 | Freddie | oh my GOD |
| 17:11.03 | kergoth | i told them to go fuck themselves and got a 5500 |
| 17:11.09 | Freddie | ok, screw that |
| 17:11.21 | Freddie | yeah, I was gonna order one of the $165 5500's |
| 17:11.21 | kergoth | sold that off to a hardware hacker who could make use of it |
| 17:11.22 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:11.32 | Freddie | how much did you get for the 5000d? |
| 17:11.39 | Freddie | (mine works other than for touch sensitive things) |
| 17:11.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: did you think about our release plan for the next couple of months? What will we focus on? kernel? |
| 17:12.24 | kergoth | mickeyl: switching to tslib for all supported devices, kernel, and some major system changes like a move to simpleinit vs sysvinit, etc |
| 17:12.58 | treke|home | kergoth: the nvrd stuff ended up working really nicely |
| 17:12.59 | Freddie | treke, are you still around? |
| 17:13.01 | Freddie | oh, heh |
| 17:13.09 | kergoth | treke|home: glad to hear it |
| 17:13.10 | treke|home | Freddie: yes |
| 17:13.11 | Freddie | treke: How stable has OE been on your ipaq? |
| 17:13.29 | Freddie | ie - as compared to familiar/opie |
| 17:13.30 | treke|home | Freddie: Stable as familiar. Most of the time |
| 17:13.58 | Freddie | treke: Btw, the march 27th image does the .'s on the ipaq screen |
| 17:14.03 | treke|home | I know |
| 17:14.05 | Freddie | so you can tell it is doing something even without the console |
| 17:14.08 | Freddie | its nice |
| 17:14.09 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:14.15 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here running OZ and windows? |
| 17:14.19 | treke|home | thank kergoth. He seems to have done that :) |
| 17:14.29 | Freddie | treke: ahh |
| 17:14.31 | Freddie | thanks kergoth |
| 17:14.32 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:14.33 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: I've never been able to find an arm port of xp |
| 17:14.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:14.42 | Freddie | themastermind: I run OZ and windows |
| 17:14.44 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 17:14.54 | Freddie | themastermind: Though my Z is sortof screwed atm |
| 17:14.56 | kergoth | we should rotate fbcon |
| 17:14.57 | kergoth | on the ipaq |
| 17:15.04 | kergoth | so your messages are flipped correctly |
| 17:15.10 | Freddie | god kergoth |
| 17:15.12 | Freddie | that would kick |
| 17:15.13 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:15.16 | Freddie | I so love that on the Z |
| 17:15.19 | Freddie | properl |
| 17:15.20 | kergoth | Z is doing a -90 rotation on its fbcon right now |
| 17:15.21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:15.21 | Freddie | er |
| 17:15.26 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:15.27 | Freddie | properly rotated screen |
| 17:16.48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: find someone to try out the unloading usbd hack |
| 17:16.58 | kergoth | i'll fuck with it |
| 17:17.03 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 17:17.11 | kergoth | i'm switching collie to the usbd from the 2.4.18 c700 tree anyway |
| 17:17.14 | TheMasterMind1 | that'd be sweet if it works |
| 17:17.20 | TheMasterMind1 | k sounds good |
| 17:17.20 | kergoth | splitting it into a seperate package |
| 17:17.35 | treke|home | kergoth: the patch in buildroot somewhere? |
| 17:17.53 | Freddie | hahah |
| 17:17.55 | TheMasterMind1 | stable feed is missing less someone said |
| 17:18.09 | Freddie | treke, I thought your march 27th image didn't include konsole |
| 17:18.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to test iptables see if its fixed now |
| 17:18.12 | TheMasterMind1 | it should be |
| 17:18.13 | Freddie | cuz the icon changed |
| 17:18.13 | Freddie | :) |
| 17:18.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: go ahead and build less and drop it into all 3 feeds, if you woul |
| 17:18.27 | treke|home | Freddie: yes the icons changed |
| 17:18.31 | kergoth | d |
| 17:18.31 | mickeyl | mmh... what march 27th image are you referring too? /me obviously is blind, but i don't see it |
| 17:18.33 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: k |
| 17:18.37 | treke|home | ibot oz-ipaq |
| 17:18.39 | | it has been said that oz-ipaq is http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 17:18.53 | mickeyl | aaah, ok. thanks treke |
| 17:19.19 | Freddie | treke: What is the recommended way to get packages onto the ipaq? |
| 17:19.27 | Freddie | I mean, zmodem won't work obviously |
| 17:19.29 | treke|home | Freddie: I prefer networking |
| 17:19.33 | treke|home | or zmodem |
| 17:19.34 | Freddie | I presume that usbd isn't working |
| 17:19.40 | Freddie | oh |
| 17:19.49 | treke|home | we dont use usbd. Working on setting up usbnet |
| 17:19.50 | Freddie | when you say networking, you mean like pcmcia sleeve + ethernet? |
| 17:19.55 | treke|home | yup |
| 17:19.58 | Freddie | ok |
| 17:20.01 | Freddie | what about zmodem |
| 17:20.04 | Freddie | how does that work? |
| 17:20.11 | treke|home | logout of opie. |
| 17:20.13 | Freddie | since the console isn't available. . . |
| 17:20.17 | treke|home | then you can get a console |
| 17:20.20 | Freddie | oh, ok |
| 17:21.01 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm missing an iptables ipk too |
| 17:21.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll up that too the feeds also i guess |
| 17:21.13 | TheMasterMind1 | iptables-ipv6-modules_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-2_arm.ipk |
| 17:21.13 | TheMasterMind1 | iptables-modules_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-2_arm.ipk |
| 17:21.16 | TheMasterMind1 | what package creates those? |
| 17:21.21 | kergoth | kernel-collie |
| 17:21.24 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 17:21.28 | Freddie | treke: citytime isn't in the new image |
| 17:21.30 | Freddie | just fyi |
| 17:21.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so should iptables depend on that? |
| 17:21.49 | treke|home | there is lots of stuff that isnt in the image |
| 17:21.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes. Depends: iptables-modules |
| 17:21.58 | treke|home | there are space limitations |
| 17:22.04 | kergoth | no need to depend on the ipv6 one right now |
| 17:22.04 | Freddie | ok |
| 17:22.10 | Freddie | its just that it was in the previous image |
| 17:22.11 | Freddie | that's all |
| 17:22.17 | Freddie | I am not worried about it personally |
| 17:22.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you got provides working eh? |
| 17:22.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, and we figured out why they were broken, and why familiar didnt run into it |
| 17:22.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: jamey is workin on it |
| 17:22.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: cool |
| 17:22.50 | kergoth | i swear i give him a couple new bugs every couple days |
| 17:22.52 | kergoth | poor guy |
| 17:22.54 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:23.29 | TheMasterMind1 | do we have a copy of dupecheck on sf? |
| 17:23.42 | treke|home | ~lart familiar |
| 17:24.14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: don't have permissions to the feeds |
| 17:24.16 | kergoth | nah, but ipkg-make-index should do a basic check on its own |
| 17:24.17 | kergoth | k |
| 17:24.24 | kergoth | hold |
| 17:24.26 | treke|home | no telling whether the packages you download are ars or tars :) |
| 17:24.29 | Baldrick | kergoth: I cant find the eject event after resume event bug in http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/bugs/ am i looking in the wrong place? |
| 17:24.33 | kergoth | bleh, i dont have write access to unstable Packages |
| 17:24.42 | kergoth | bipolar: ping |
| 17:24.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh yea |
| 17:24.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i told him to fix that |
| 17:24.56 | kergoth | sombody needs to umask 0002 |
| 17:24.59 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:25.08 | treke|home | bipolar is slowly edging kergoth out of the distro |
| 17:25.15 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 17:25.21 | kergoth | kill him! |
| 17:25.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:25.30 | TheMasterMind1 | scp: /home/users/t/th/themastermind1/oz/official/stable/feed//iptables_1.2.7a-3_arm.ipk: Permission denied |
| 17:25.37 | TheMasterMind1 | it hates me |
| 17:26.26 | kergoth | chmod: changing permissions of `testing/feed/zuc_1.1-2_arm.ipk': Operation not permitted |
| 17:26.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:26.32 | kergoth | well, i changed all the perms i could |
| 17:26.50 | TheMasterMind1 | where should i set my umask |
| 17:26.57 | TheMasterMind1 | bashrc ? |
| 17:27.05 | kergoth | yeah that works |
| 17:27.08 | kergoth | just 'umask 0002' |
| 17:27.17 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 17:27.23 | TheMasterMind1 | and that should work while scping also |
| 17:27.25 | TheMasterMind1 | hopefully anyway |
| 17:27.42 | kergoth | yea hopefully |
| 17:27.43 | TheMasterMind1 | -rw-r--r-- 1 themaste users 44k Mar 29 09:27 stable/feed/less_378-1_arm.ipk |
| 17:27.44 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 17:27.47 | TheMasterMind1 | poc |
| 17:27.52 | kergoth | grr |
| 17:29.18 | TheMasterMind1 | gpe gets sexier by the day |
| 17:30.08 | Baldrick | kergoth: do you reckon the eject event after resume event bug in the arm kernel is fixed? |
| 17:30.21 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: we'll never know until you package it |
| 17:30.30 | TheMasterMind1 | treke: heh |
| 17:30.34 | kergoth | even if it is, it isnt fixed in the Z old ass kernel. |
| 17:30.35 | TheMasterMind1 | i think mallum's gonna do that |
| 17:30.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i haven't even used it, i just look at scap and drool |
| 17:31.11 | TheMasterMind1 | -rw-r--r-- 1 themaste users 160k Mar 29 09:30 testing/feed/iptables_1.2.7a-3_arm.ipk |
| 17:31.13 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i fix it |
| 17:31.16 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid umask |
| 17:31.35 | Baldrick | ahh, i suppose they'd have to backport the fix to 2.4.6 then, bummer. |
| 17:31.43 | TheMasterMind1 | "they" |
| 17:31.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:31.44 | kergoth | ssh in and fix the perms after scp'ing? dunno |
| 17:31.47 | kergoth | Baldrick: 'they'? |
| 17:32.10 | Baldrick | well i dunno who supports the arm kernel |
| 17:32.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:32.28 | TheMasterMind1 | what should chmod be, 664 ? |
| 17:32.29 | treke|home | "they" dont give a rats ass about 2.4.7 |
| 17:32.30 | kergoth | the arm folks. |
| 17:33.04 | kergoth | and they only do work on current trees |
| 17:33.36 | kergoth | like treke said |
| 17:33.53 | treke|home | for good reason :) |
| 17:33.57 | kergoth | if _I_ knew what the fix was, _I_ could backport it to our 2.4.6 tree, but itd be a waste of my time |
| 17:34.01 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:34.10 | kergoth | we have 2.4.19 sitting there, better to finish our work on it |
| 17:34.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 17:34.46 | TheMasterMind1 | vim |
| 17:34.47 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 17:34.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ok i updated stable feed |
| 17:34.55 | kergoth | okay, thanks |
| 17:35.02 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 17:35.03 | TheMasterMind1 | or not |
| 17:35.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:35.20 | Baldrick | k, sorry for digging around guys but this delay instartup is the only thing i can find 'wrong' with OE 3.2 :) |
| 17:35.29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm i guess i did |
| 17:35.40 | TheMasterMind1 | themastermind1@sc8-pr-shell1:~/oz/official$ ../ipkg-make-index stable/feed/ stable/feed/Packages |
| 17:35.42 | TheMasterMind1 | is that right? |
| 17:35.44 | kergoth | well its not going to be fixed on 2.4.6. its a waste of our time. but it should be fixed when we switch kernels |
| 17:36.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cd stable/feed; ~/oz/ipkg-make-index .; is how i usually do it |
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| 17:36.40 | noda | Moo! |
| 17:36.43 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: sup |
| 17:36.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: k |
| 17:36.59 | noda | Time to finish that bloody contract once and for all! :) |
| 17:37.16 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 17:37.19 | TheMasterMind1 | contract? |
| 17:37.27 | noda | The thing that's more important than oz.org :) |
| 17:37.33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:37.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:37.48 | TheMasterMind1 | themastermind1@sc8-pr-shell1:~/oz/official/testing/feed$ ~/oz/ipkg-make-index . |
| 17:37.48 | TheMasterMind1 | /home/users/t/th/themastermind1/oz/ipkg-make-index: ./Packages: Permission denied |
| 17:37.49 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 17:38.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:38.26 | kergoth | ~fishslap bipolar |
| 17:38.28 | | ACTION slaps bipolar up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:38.28 | treke|home | noda: herasy |
| 17:38.33 | treke|home | nothing is more important than oz.org |
| 17:38.36 | treke|home | except maybe oe.org |
| 17:39.10 | TheMasterMind1 | time to install vim! |
| 17:39.12 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 17:39.18 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, i should fix up my sd card |
| 17:39.25 | kergoth | it uses upd-alt to replace the 'vi' link as well |
| 17:39.28 | TheMasterMind1 | my 64mb minix partition is fixed |
| 17:39.35 | TheMasterMind1 | filled that is |
| 17:39.43 | TheMasterMind1 | is ext2 still problematic? |
| 17:39.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't have much of a choice |
| 17:40.58 | TheMasterMind1 | was kpacman ever fixed? its stupid config file issue |
| 17:41.19 | TheMasterMind1 | /dev/mmcda1 63.3M 60.1M 3.2M 95% /mnt/card |
| 17:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | fun stuff |
| 17:41.27 | TheMasterMind1 | gotta copy it off, reformat, copy it back |
| 17:45.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=754/1 <-look familiar? |
| 17:45.09 | kergoth | Baldrick: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=754/1 |
| 17:45.11 | noda | treke|home: Still going through in my mind what OE.com will be like :) |
| 17:45.23 | kergoth | Baldrick: discarded patch. who knows when the actual proper fix was added to the tree |
| 17:46.40 | TheMasterMind1 | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=897 |
| 17:46.41 | TheMasterMind1 | sad |
| 17:47.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:47.37 | kergoth | i'm surprised the ts digitizer can pick up the pulses of your blood |
| 17:47.42 | TheMasterMind1 | it can't |
| 17:47.47 | TheMasterMind1 | thats why its so sad |
| 17:47.55 | TheMasterMind1 | it says "tap the screen each time you feel a pulse" |
| 17:48.07 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 17:48.15 | kergoth | thats fucking pathetic |
| 17:48.30 | killefiz | hey - it's only 3.99 ;) |
| 17:48.49 | noda | That'd be sweet if it picked up your pulse :) |
| 17:49.18 | treke|home | once again, in theory usbnet works :) |
| 17:49.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh live webcam viewer |
| 17:50.01 | TheMasterMind1 | 5.99 |
| 17:50.02 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh |
| 17:53.42 | treke|home | new feed uploading |
| 17:54.12 | treke|home | wait nm. need to rebuild opie first |
| 17:55.01 | treke|home | gimme 10 minutes |
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| 17:57.42 | kergoth | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-arm-kernel&m=100800226127668&w=2 wonder if thats when the fix occurred |
| 17:59.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: do we see the 'card gets unmounted and remounted on resume' bug in 2.4.19? i dont recall |
| 17:59.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: don't think we ever tested for it |
| 17:59.31 | kergoth | should flash my z with 2.4.19 and do some finishing touches |
| 17:59.59 | TrekCycling | anyone here using OZ 3.2? |
| 18:00.04 | TrekCycling | or just OZ in general. I'm wondering where to get the newest/best Jeode/Hancom/Opera creators. |
| 18:00.38 | noda | TrekCycling: Oh yay, I get to say it: "RTFM" |
| 18:00.59 | noda | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=92 |
| 18:01.02 | noda | Searched for 'Hancom' |
| 18:01.10 | noda | Man, it's great when my code just works. |
| 18:01.19 | kergoth | yea |
| 18:01.24 | noda | (speaking of which, I've noticed a bug with categories in the faq page. But since nobody else has, well, I'll ignore it.) |
| 18:02.08 | killefiz | noda: you mean that the category selection is ignored? |
| 18:02.15 | noda | killefiz: DAMN, you noticed too? :P |
| 18:02.28 | noda | Fine, I'll fix it :P |
| 18:02.50 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:02.53 | treke|home | ccache++ |
| 18:02.58 | TrekCycling | eeek. That looks like more trouble than I need to go to. I still have the Sharp ROM installed |
| 18:03.00 | kergoth | ccache++ |
| 18:03.07 | noda | TrekCycling: That's not at all what it says :) |
| 18:03.13 | killefiz | noda: another thing: I was looking for "old news" yesterday. But they're gone. |
| 18:03.21 | noda | killefiz: I know, isn't that sweet? :) |
| 18:03.27 | noda | killefiz: FINE, I'll make a new news page too! :P |
| 18:03.35 | killefiz | ;) |
| 18:03.36 | treke|home | kergoth: what I dont get is that ccache is supposedly only caching 213 mb of data |
| 18:03.37 | noda | Dammit, I really oughta be doing this contract. Well, both will take like 5 minutes. |
| 18:03.38 | kergoth | TrekCycling: yeah, if you have sharp, just install the creators |
| 18:03.51 | noda | All you need is to mount -o loop |
| 18:04.25 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 18:04.27 | TheMasterMind1 | scp hung |
| 18:04.29 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Right, I was just looking for the *best* creators. There are various messages on the message boards about how certain versions of the creators don't work, etc. |
| 18:05.00 | kergoth | ah, no idea |
| 18:05.13 | TheMasterMind1 | i should use rsync |
| 18:05.27 | kergoth | sf has rsync? |
| 18:05.31 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 18:05.34 | TheMasterMind1 | but my Z and laptop do |
| 18:05.42 | treke|home | unison biatch |
| 18:05.46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:05.57 | kergoth | kernel/qwsmouse_qws.moc:538: syntax error before `->' token |
| 18:05.57 | kergoth | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 18:05.57 | kergoth | {standard input}:4549: Error: symbol `ov1_0' is already defined |
| 18:05.57 | kergoth | {standard input}:4577: Error: symbol `slot_tbl' is already defined |
| 18:05.57 | kergoth | {standard input}:4584: Error: symbol `metaObj' is already defined |
| 18:06.00 | kergoth | god i hate moc |
| 18:06.25 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:06.26 | kergoth | ~bitchslap moc |
| 18:06.27 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of moc |
| 18:06.39 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:06.41 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't have rsyncd |
| 18:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | damit |
| 18:06.45 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:07.18 | kergoth | kernel/qwsmouse_qws.moc:520: conflicting types for `void (QObject::*ov1_1)()' |
| 18:07.21 | kergoth | kernel/qwsmouse_qws.moc:317: previous declaration as `void |
| 18:07.24 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.26 | kergoth | kernel/qwsmouse_qws.moc:520: `v1_1' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:07.29 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 18:07.29 | kergoth | grr |
| 18:07.41 | TheMasterMind1 | qt loves you |
| 18:07.49 | TheMasterMind1 | aw man |
| 18:07.51 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid scip |
| 18:07.51 | noda | Ah, the problem shows up: "INNER JOIN faq_category fc ON 1" |
| 18:07.58 | TheMasterMind1 | follows symlinks |
| 18:09.43 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see how well it targzs |
| 18:09.48 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe i can store in ram |
| 18:11.22 | noda | FAQ filtering fixed. |
| 18:11.25 | noda | Time for news |
| 18:12.04 | TheMasterMind1 | how about a "new faq items" :) |
| 18:12.21 | noda | Hrm... do I put dates into FAQ's? Oh, of course I do -- that could work. |
| 18:12.42 | noda | I'll put that in right now, won't take 5 minutes :) |
| 18:16.18 | noda | Done |
| 18:16.40 | TheMasterMind1 | awesome |
| 18:17.04 | noda | Yep. 7 lines of code added. Don't even have to touch the query, THIS is sweet. Thank you for the opportunity to convince myself my whole framework doesn't suck, TheMasterMind1! :) |
| 18:17.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:18.14 | noda | Know what? I'm gonna put the query into an HTML comment :) |
| 18:18.43 | noda | In fact, I'll also give the CVSROOT of the code in header.inc while I'm at it. In a comment. |
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| 18:20.16 | noda | Okay, finished with faq browsing :) |
| 18:25.53 | noda | Finished adding comment. Now for news |
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| 18:29.41 | yeiazel | if only newbies would say "Okay, finished with faq browsing" |
| 18:29.48 | yeiazel | they wouldn't ask always the same questions :) |
| 18:30.05 | tassian | hi everybody! |
| 18:34.07 | noda | Damn, I don't have limit filtering yet |
| 18:34.39 | killefiz | hmm - shouldn't that work?: mount -o loop -t jffs2 /home/sven/simpad/buildroot-oz/output/images/initrd.bin /mnt/ |
| 18:35.00 | killefiz | i get: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
| 18:39.55 | killefiz | ok found it - it's not possible to loopmount a jffs2 filesystem - one has to create a mtdram device, dd the file there and mount that |
| 18:42.34 | nikki | does the openzaurus support changing of the bootscreen? |
| 18:42.38 | TheMasterMind1 | oh! |
| 18:42.38 | yeiazel | wouldn't this mtdblk thing help ? |
| 18:42.40 | TheMasterMind1 | NFS MOUNT! |
| 18:42.40 | TheMasterMind1 | haha |
| 18:42.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i am genious |
| 18:43.57 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: well - the device i have here doesn't boot at all ;) |
| 18:44.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:44.13 | TheMasterMind1 | i was talking about my problem actually |
| 18:44.17 | TheMasterMind1 | trying to backup sd contents |
| 18:44.21 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 18:44.27 | killefiz | oh |
| 18:44.32 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: why're you trying to mount initrd btw? |
| 18:44.39 | TheMasterMind1 | you could just edit rootfs dir and create a new initrd |
| 18:44.49 | TheMasterMind1 | or just use the rootfs dir |
| 18:44.54 | killefiz | good point |
| 18:45.03 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 18:45.28 | killefiz | what is the rootfs-dir inside the buildroot? |
| 18:45.54 | killefiz | ok - found it |
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| 18:54.20 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 18:57.21 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 18:58.43 | killefiz | how does /dev handling work in oz? The rootfs doesn't have a /dev |
| 18:58.56 | TheMasterMind1 | its created on bootup |
| 18:58.58 | noda | It's a tarball in /boot |
| 18:59.03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:59.04 | TheMasterMind1 | still? |
| 18:59.06 | TheMasterMind1 | i think we changed it |
| 18:59.10 | noda | Oh, dunno. I'm outa the loop |
| 18:59.17 | noda | devfs? |
| 18:59.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i think so |
| 18:59.26 | noda | Cool |
| 18:59.28 | TheMasterMind1 | im' pretty sure we're using devfs now |
| 18:59.38 | Dessimat0r | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=964 |
| 18:59.39 | killefiz | at least i don't see a /boot dir |
| 18:59.41 | Dessimat0r | interesting |
| 18:59.46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm or not |
| 18:59.49 | TheMasterMind1 | not in .6 anyway |
| 18:59.52 | TheMasterMind1 | we are in .19 i think |
| 18:59.59 | killefiz | how do I find out if devfs is running? |
| 19:00.14 | noda | The /dev directory is actually *clean* :P |
| 19:00.25 | Dessimat0r | lol |
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| 19:00.32 | TheMasterMind1 | killefiz: mount |
| 19:00.36 | kennyj | heya |
| 19:00.38 | Dessimat0r | lo |
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| 19:01.18 | killefiz | on my 3.1rc3.1 zaurus there is no /boot/dev and no dev mounted |
| 19:01.28 | killefiz | Dessimat0r: and kitchensync even works! |
| 19:01.33 | noda | Ooh sweet :) |
| 19:01.38 | kennyj | any ideas why ipkg at the console seems to take *forever* on a couple of big packages, but doesn't seem to have any problems from aqpkg? I see no logical reason... |
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| 19:08.07 | Freddie | treke, you about? |
| 19:08.57 | noda | THERE. Worked around my bugs :) |
| 19:09.10 | noda | My framework is kinda lacking in the completeness and bug-free-ness departments :) |
| 19:12.55 | noda | Oh, last thing -- gotta order by date on changelog :) |
| 19:15.53 | noda | Oh, that's stupid -- won't even work. Oh well, I'll ignore that :) |
| 19:17.09 | Dessimat0r | killefiz: Just asked Gentoo developers to add it to Portage ;) |
| 19:18.27 | killefiz | Dessimat0r: kitchensync? |
| 19:18.48 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 19:19.13 | killefiz | hmm - when I said it works i didn't mean it's ready for release - but probably good enough for gentoo ;) |
| 19:19.21 | Dessimat0r | heh |
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| 19:27.35 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 19:28.24 | noda | WOW... I never noticed this! |
| 19:28.51 | chouimat | noda? |
| 19:28.51 | noda | When you do a 'cvs commit' and vim is your default editor, you can go over any of the 'Modified Files:' in the CVS: comments, and press <C-w>f and it'll open them up for touch-ups :) |
| 19:30.02 | noda | Oh shit, I put in a bug :) |
| 19:31.06 | chouimat | ~lart noda |
| 19:31.19 | noda | Erm, hehehe. News from December showing up on top isn't a good idea :) |
| 19:36.00 | kergoth | chouimat: pong |
| 19:36.10 | Dessimat0r | if you open up www.openzaurus.org in IE, there is a massive graphical glitch at the top of the news - tons of text is missing util you scroll down and go up again o_O |
| 19:36.12 | Dessimat0r | crappy IE |
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| 19:36.54 | chouimat | kergoth: it's ok |
| 19:36.55 | kergoth | noda, TheMasterMind1: /dev is a ramfs filesystem, populated on first boot by /sbin/makedevs, which parses /etc/device_table to mknod the devices |
| 19:37.00 | Dessimat0r | or if you select tehe text or move another window over the IE window |
| 19:37.03 | Dessimat0r | that also shows it |
| 19:37.10 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: gotcha |
| 19:37.13 | kergoth | noda, TheMasterMind1: s/first boot/boot/; |
| 19:37.29 | TheMasterMind1 | yay |
| 19:37.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i get to use the other 64mb on my sd card |
| 19:37.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:37.51 | kergoth | moc is such crap |
| 19:37.57 | kergoth | time to beat it senseless |
| 19:38.33 | noda | Oh fun :) |
| 19:39.17 | _Psycho | ~lart alcohol |
| 19:39.24 | noda | Woo! Check out the new news page :) |
| 19:39.26 | _Psycho | heya |
| 19:41.10 | tronical | kergoth: what moc problems are you running into? |
| 19:43.09 | kergoth | dont know yet |
| 19:43.10 | kergoth | kernel/qwsmouse_qws.moc:525: warning: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ` |
| 19:43.10 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.10 | kergoth | kernel/qwsmouse_qws.moc:525: conflicting types for `int slot_tbl_access[0]' |
| 19:43.13 | kergoth | kernel/qwsmouse_qws.moc:522: previous declaration as ` |
| 19:43.16 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.43 | tronical | hm, what did you change in qwsmouse_qws.cpp? |
| 19:43.52 | noda | Woo! http://openzaurus.org -- check out the news page! :) |
| 19:43.53 | noda | Yay! :) |
| 19:44.00 | kergoth | bleh, going through it for sanity now |
| 19:44.04 | kergoth | noda: hey nice |
| 19:44.16 | noda | I feel kinda guilty about scrolling 3.2 off the list. But I want a bigger sample to test with :P |
| 19:44.42 | tronical | noda: coolness |
| 19:46.10 | noda | Heh, it's nice to put "sd" in the search screen and get all the news about that. Actually useful :) |
| 19:46.34 | noda | Oh yeah, hey... whatever happened to OpenZaurus 3.1? :) |
| 19:46.41 | kergoth | doesnt exist. |
| 19:46.45 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:46.46 | noda | Cool :) |
| 19:46.49 | kergoth | i'm liking the odd/even kernelish thing |
| 19:46.49 | noda | I didn't notice :) |
| 19:46.51 | kergoth | besides |
| 19:46.56 | kergoth | ipkg: 3.1rc3.1 > 3.1 |
| 19:46.57 | noda | That's a good idea. Can we get rid of the "rc"-ness then? :) |
| 19:47.02 | Dessimat0r | soon we'll have OpenZaurus 9 |
| 19:47.03 | kergoth | me: fuck you, 3.2 > 3.1rc3.1 |
| 19:47.04 | noda | Hehehe |
| 19:47.07 | Dessimat0r | to comete with Mandrake etc ;) |
| 19:47.12 | Dessimat0r | *compete |
| 19:47.14 | treke|home | kergoth: I hope version inmproves in the next release |
| 19:47.30 | noda | So now we're gonna work on... OpenZaurus 3.3.1? |
| 19:47.31 | treke|home | kergoth: this releases's versioning was confusing as all hell |
| 19:47.36 | kergoth | yes, it was |
| 19:47.55 | kergoth | now we're going to work on 3.3.1 most likely yeah |
| 19:48.00 | kergoth | and when it releases it'll be 3.4 |
| 19:48.00 | treke|home | 3.1rc3.1, bleh |
| 19:48.01 | noda | Cool. I LIKE it :) |
| 19:48.09 | treke|home | kergoth: maybe even 4.0 |
| 19:48.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:48.16 | treke|home | since you might have 2.4.19 in it |
| 19:48.26 | kergoth | depending on how large the changes are |
| 19:48.27 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:48.29 | noda | Maybe 4.0 should be reserved for 2.6? That's coming out so soon... |
| 19:48.34 | noda | June? July? |
| 19:48.51 | treke|home | noda: lets see if we can get to 2.4.19 befoe we worry about 2.6 |
| 19:48.51 | noda | Oh well. NOW I can work on my contract :p |
| 19:49.03 | noda | Actually... now food. |
| 19:49.39 | noda | Havin' pizza for supper :) |
| 19:49.40 | kergoth | pizza! |
| 19:49.42 | kergoth | man |
| 19:49.45 | kergoth | that does sound good |
| 19:49.52 | treke|home | yup |
| 19:50.07 | treke|home | but first. I must go to the store for bevereges |
| 19:50.42 | noda | Hrm, maybe I should check out OO.org 1.1 today :) |
| 19:50.50 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 19:50.57 | noda | Splash screen with a progress bar... that's clever. (even though I'm of the opinion there should be no need to wait that long) |
| 19:51.11 | chouimat|away | later guys ... I'm going to see my grand mother and get withh that a free meal |
| 19:51.19 | noda | chouimat|away: Later, have fun :) |
| 19:51.21 | Dessimat0r | l8r |
| 19:51.49 | noda | treke|home: Hrm, do you think any optimizations can be made? OZ boots up pretty swiftly I find. Except maybe 'reconfiguring installed packages to root' |
| 19:52.02 | kergoth | eh, simpleinit will speed it up drastically |
| 19:52.04 | kergoth | i'm taking care of it. |
| 19:52.08 | chouimat|away | noda: I just found out that Finland university are at 62euro/year :) but the inscription must be done bbefore jan31 :( |
| 19:52.09 | noda | Really? Wow |
| 19:52.24 | noda | I'm ALREADY impressed with the boot speed, so I guess I'll be VERY impressed with the new |
| 19:52.33 | noda | chouimat|away: Aw, damn :) |
| 19:52.53 | chouimat|away | noda: will try next year :) |
| 19:54.08 | noda | Okay, I'm off :) |
| 19:55.29 | treke|home | new feed uploaded |
| 19:56.27 | Freddie | hrm |
| 19:56.33 | Freddie | does familiar not come with mkfs? |
| 19:56.42 | treke|home | dont think so |
| 19:56.47 | Freddie | that sucketh |
| 19:57.52 | treke|home | install e2fsprogs |
| 19:58.10 | Freddie | I will have to do it with zmodem |
| 19:58.31 | treke|home | it was in 0.6.1 |
| 19:58.36 | treke|home | should be in 0.7 |
| 19:58.43 | Freddie | I installed 0.7pre |
| 19:58.44 | Freddie | heh |
| 19:59.27 | treke|home | try #handhelds.org |
| 19:59.31 | treke|home | they'd probably know |
| 19:59.46 | Freddie | it looks pretty decent actually |
| 19:59.52 | Freddie | other than the e2fsprogs |
| 20:03.19 | TheMasterMind1 | man |
| 20:03.24 | TheMasterMind1 | ext2 + sd = slow |
| 20:03.27 | TheMasterMind1 | :( |
| 20:03.34 | treke|home | nah. |
| 20:03.39 | treke|home | sd doesnt need ext2 to be slow |
| 20:03.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:03.49 | TheMasterMind1 | minix on the same sd card is faster though |
| 20:04.15 | chouimat|away | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 20:04.25 | TheMasterMind1 | weatherbot: weatherbot iad |
| 20:04.40 | TheMasterMind1 | weatherbot: weather iad |
| 20:04.42 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station IAD |
| 20:04.45 | TheMasterMind1 | weatherbot: weather wiad |
| 20:04.46 | weatherbot | Failed to lookup weather at station WIAD |
| 20:06.03 | kergoth | Subject: [Openzaurus-users] OpenZaurus 3.2 and compatibility with 3rd party packages (for |
| 20:06.07 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.07 | kergoth | what a fucking idiot. |
| 20:06.24 | kergoth | rants for a page and a half about compatibility problems without saying what any of the problems are |
| 20:06.33 | kergoth | waste of space in my fucking inbox |
| 20:08.45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea seriously |
| 20:09.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: and the guy who said kitchensync only works with opie.. any chance i can get it working with OZ |
| 20:09.08 | TheMasterMind1 | i just feel sorry for him |
| 20:09.38 | treke|home | eh thats just ignorance |
| 20:09.41 | treke|home | this is stupidity |
| 20:09.52 | treke|home | very important distinction |
| 20:10.29 | treke|home | ignorance can be cured |
| 20:10.42 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:16.01 | Freddie | ok |
| 20:16.07 | Freddie | perhaps I did something idiotic |
| 20:16.30 | Freddie | I did "mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmc/part1" after umounting /dev/mmc/part1 |
| 20:16.44 | Freddie | now when I insert the card, it says: |
| 20:17.00 | Freddie | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev fe:01. |
| 20:17.09 | Freddie | I can't seem to find where it is defaulting to FAT |
| 20:17.13 | Freddie | so I can change it to ext3 |
| 20:17.29 | yeiazel | I had the same problem |
| 20:17.37 | Freddie | did you ever find a solution? |
| 20:17.37 | yeiazel | dd'ed /dev/zero to the card, and redone mke2fs |
| 20:18.09 | yeiazel | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<the_mmc_card> |
| 20:18.31 | Freddie | so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmc/disc |
| 20:18.32 | yeiazel | oh, and openzaurus doesn't support ext3 |
| 20:18.34 | yeiazel | use ext2 |
| 20:18.34 | Freddie | or just /dev/mmc ? |
| 20:18.55 | TheMasterMind1 | is tinykate usable yet>? |
| 20:18.59 | yeiazel | /dev/mmcda1 on the Z... |
| 20:20.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, though it needs some tweaking yet |
| 20:20.14 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 20:20.19 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to put more cool stuff onto my Z |
| 20:20.22 | TheMasterMind1 | more games |
| 20:20.22 | kergoth | me too |
| 20:20.31 | TheMasterMind1 | wish there was a way to see top 20 games on zsi |
| 20:20.34 | TheMasterMind1 | and apps etc |
| 20:20.34 | kergoth | i havent even been to zsi in ages |
| 20:20.35 | kergoth | !! |
| 20:20.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:20.48 | treke|home | hasnt changed in ages |
| 20:20.58 | kergoth | not surprising, really |
| 20:21.49 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnn, vim on Z |
| 20:22.09 | kergoth | vim, screen, irssi.. i only need a couple more console apps before i'm content |
| 20:22.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:23.11 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: how to tell which ones are the top apps? The existing algorithm is weak - as weak as any other algorighm i can think of that goes withouth user "voting" |
| 20:24.06 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:24.19 | TheMasterMind1 | you could track clicks on ipk and source links |
| 20:24.31 | TheMasterMind1 | voting would actually be cool |
| 20:25.19 | killefiz | sure - but to implement voting we'd have to implement user accounts. And that's something I don't want to do. |
| 20:25.28 | TheMasterMind1 | not necessarily |
| 20:26.03 | TheMasterMind1 | what happened to zsi2 ? |
| 20:26.07 | TheMasterMind1 | wasn't someone working on that |
| 20:26.07 | Dessimat0r | one vote per ip in a one week period |
| 20:26.16 | Dessimat0r | or one click per thing |
| 20:26.18 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:26.25 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: shayde is still working on it |
| 20:26.48 | killefiz | Dessimat0r: my ip changes every 24h hours at least ... |
| 20:26.52 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 20:27.12 | killefiz | that would mean i cound vote 7times and my neighbour - who got my ip from yesterday - is not allowed to vote ... |
| 20:27.15 | kergoth | could always use a cookie, though some users dont like it |
| 20:27.49 | killefiz | But Mr. "My app is the best" will quickly hack up lynx to accept the cookie, delete it and try again |
| 20:27.52 | Dessimat0r | cookies can still be deleted, however |
| 20:27.56 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 20:28.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28.11 | kergoth | nothing is fullproof |
| 20:28.14 | kergoth | who the fuck cares |
| 20:28.26 | kergoth | if you see something jump like that in a short period, kill it off |
| 20:28.52 | Dessimat0r | you could impliment the IP system AND the cookie system to make it ultra 'secure' ;) |
| 20:28.58 | kergoth | even that would be better than what you have now, which is _nothing_ |
| 20:29.00 | killefiz | Back when every change in an app resulted in the app showing up on the main/new-page again there were people who changed the wording of their description every day - just to be on top of the index-page |
| 20:29.35 | killefiz | kergoth: yes and no - my point is do it right or don't do it at all |
| 20:29.47 | kergoth | eh |
| 20:29.57 | kergoth | sometimes something is better than nothing. |
| 20:29.58 | killefiz | (at least most of the time ;) |
| 20:33.11 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: zsi2 is still being worked on |
| 20:33.59 | yeiazel | would it be possible to have a feed corresponding to the apps in zsi(2) ? |
| 20:34.18 | TheMasterMind1 | there is already i thought |
| 20:34.21 | killefiz | yeiazel: I think you're looking for zfi |
| 20:34.30 | yeiazel | oh ? |
| 20:34.33 | killefiz | http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/ |
| 20:34.33 | kergoth | zfi isnt updated anymore. |
| 20:34.44 | killefiz | oh |
| 20:34.50 | kergoth | for whatever reason |
| 20:35.10 | treke|home | wtf |
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| 20:35.15 | mchang | hey all |
| 20:35.25 | treke|home | this script is there but it doesnt appear to *ever* be referenced |
| 20:35.32 | mchang | just slapped on 3.2 |
| 20:35.40 | mchang | first oz effort fo my new z |
| 20:35.50 | yeiazel | killefiz: I was more or less thinking of a single feed containing the free apps listed in zsi |
| 20:36.20 | killefiz | yeiazel: well - then here is my standard-answer. I don't want to host any ipk's on my server but you can create a feed of all apps containing an ipk-link if you want. The mysql-dump is available on the page. |
| 20:36.39 | mchang | trying to get apps installed... using 58/6 on a 5500 |
| 20:36.51 | yeiazel | killefiz: ok :) |
| 20:36.53 | mchang | I had heard I need to put the hancom stuff in /root or /ram ... which is it |
| 20:37.02 | kergoth | wherever. |
| 20:37.15 | mchang | kergoth: sd is fine then? so I can go with 64/0 if I want? |
| 20:37.33 | kergoth | if your sd is ext2, yes |
| 20:37.35 | killefiz | yeiazel: i'll link to your feed once it's finished ;) |
| 20:37.44 | mchang | kergoth: ah... sd has to be ext2, not fat16... gotcha |
| 20:38.19 | mchang | kergoth: why is that? symlinks needed? |
| 20:38.24 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:38.37 | yeiazel | killefiz: eerrrrmmmmmmm |
| 20:38.37 | yeiazel | :) |
| 20:38.46 | TheMasterMind1 | what are some good games i can install |
| 20:38.50 | kergoth | anything that includes a library needs symlinks. |
| 20:39.12 | mchang | kergoth: right on. Then either /root or /ram should work fine then. |
| 20:39.51 | kergoth | which is what i said |
| 20:39.56 | mchang | kergoth: cool |
| 20:40.15 | TheMasterMind1 | *mutter* |
| 20:40.20 | TheMasterMind1 | zbedic is segfaulting |
| 20:40.29 | TheMasterMind1 | and what happened to the path |
| 20:40.38 | TheMasterMind1 | its not set to /opt/Qt..../ whatnot anymore |
| 20:40.55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:40.58 | TheMasterMind1 | /etc/profile changed |
| 20:41.11 | TheMasterMind1 | gr |
| 20:41.44 | kergoth | yes, it did. use ipkg-link. |
| 20:42.10 | kergoth | or add to your .profile |
| 20:42.27 | TheMasterMind1 | not pointing to /opt/QtPalmtop/bin either |
| 20:42.34 | TheMasterMind1 | that should be inthere atleast no? |
| 20:42.56 | kergoth | yeah, that one should b |
| 20:42.57 | kergoth | e |
| 20:43.36 | TheMasterMind1 | open("/home/kergoth/collie/build/opie/plugins/fontfactories/libfreetype.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 20:43.37 | TheMasterMind1 | stat64("/home/kergoth/collie/build/opie/plugins/fontfactories", 0xbffff0a8) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 20:43.38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:43.47 | TheMasterMind1 | thats sad |
| 20:43.53 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:44.00 | TheMasterMind1 | strace |
| 20:44.41 | kergoth | no shit |
| 20:44.44 | kergoth | whats the problem? |
| 20:45.02 | TheMasterMind1 | zbedic is segfaulting |
| 20:45.33 | TheMasterMind1 | old_mmap(0x40782000, 32768, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x78000) = 0x40782000 |
| 20:45.33 | TheMasterMind1 | close(3) = 0 |
| 20:45.33 | TheMasterMind1 | brk(0x47000) = 0x47000 |
| 20:45.33 | TheMasterMind1 | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 20:45.46 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 20:45.50 | kergoth | well that freetype wasnt the problem. |
| 20:45.54 | kergoth | something else |
| 20:45.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i know |
| 20:45.56 | kergoth | gdb is your friend |
| 20:45.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i just thought that was amusing |
| 20:46.01 | kergoth | strace rarely tells much |
| 20:50.07 | treke|home | kergoth: hmmm. /etc/event.d/01opiealarm never gets executed |
| 20:50.40 | kergoth`bbl | eh |
| 20:50.47 | kergoth`bbl | then how is my time not being lost? |
| 20:50.56 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: beats me |
| 20:50.56 | kergoth`bbl | er, maybe it is |
| 20:51.11 | kergoth`bbl | let me know what you come up with |
| 20:51.14 | kergoth`bbl | cause it used to work |
| 20:51.43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:51.43 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg doesn't symlink does it |
| 20:51.43 | TheMasterMind1 | no wonder |
| 20:51.43 | TheMasterMind1 | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 20:51.45 | TheMasterMind1 | 0x40289b08 in QGList::append () from /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 20:51.47 | TheMasterMind1 | probably complied against old libs |
| 20:52.43 | TheMasterMind1 | where is qpedir set? |
| 20:52.51 | kergoth`bbl | uh, profile. |
| 20:52.56 | kergoth`bbl | you were just inthere for gods sake |
| 20:52.58 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 20:52.59 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 20:53.01 | TheMasterMind1 | in buildroot |
| 20:53.09 | kergoth`bbl | Vars.make |
| 20:53.13 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
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| 20:54.44 | treke|home | morning JasonNJ |
| 20:54.57 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 20:55.55 | JasonNJ | 3.2 rox |
| 20:56.04 | JasonNJ | aqpkg has definitely improved a lot |
| 20:56.41 | JasonNJ | the quick rotation is slick |
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| 20:57.14 | Freddie | jason: Do you still have your Nikon 5700? |
| 20:57.31 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 20:57.42 | Freddie | I was curious if you had looked at the new Canon 10d |
| 20:57.45 | Dessimat0r | has AndyQ been maintaining AQPkg? Hes been away a lot |
| 20:57.46 | JasonNJ | nah |
| 20:57.52 | Freddie | I had heard you used to work for Canon a long time ago |
| 20:58.00 | JasonNJ | yeah back in 94-95 |
| 20:58.14 | Freddie | it looks nice - $1400 for an SLR body that takes all canon lenses |
| 20:58.21 | Freddie | iso 100 - 3200 |
| 20:58.41 | Freddie | ok, just thought you might know something about it |
| 20:58.43 | Freddie | that's all |
| 20:58.48 | JasonNJ | lol, I sold my EOS1 |
| 20:58.48 | Dessimat0r | the scrolling in 3.2 is ultra slick, I wonder what code it took to improve that ;) |
| 20:58.57 | drw | Dessimat0r: I have been doing most of the AQPkg stuff |
| 20:59.01 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 20:59.05 | Dessimat0r | well done drw :D |
| 20:59.09 | Freddie | the EOS1 was/is a NICE camera |
| 20:59.15 | Freddie | (in my opinion anyway) |
| 20:59.28 | JasonNJ | I sold it with 3 lenses and 2 flashes for like 1100 bucks |
| 20:59.30 | drw | Dessimat0r: thanks |
| 20:59.38 | Freddie | you still have any lenses? |
| 20:59.41 | JasonNJ | the 1989 version |
| 20:59.50 | JasonNJ | sold the whole outfit to a photography student |
| 21:00.13 | Freddie | I see |
| 21:00.14 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 21:00.41 | Freddie | JasonNJ: Would you agree that Sharp will likely charge me more for a replacement Zaurus screen than a 5000d is worth? |
| 21:00.51 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 21:00.55 | Freddie | k |
| 21:01.06 | JasonNJ | yo twiun |
| 21:01.14 | JasonNJ | freddie: dont order one until april 5 |
| 21:01.18 | JasonNJ | thats the next HSN deal |
| 21:01.19 | Freddie | woah |
| 21:01.20 | Freddie | why? |
| 21:01.22 | Freddie | oh |
| 21:01.26 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:01.28 | JasonNJ | will be like 160 bucks |
| 21:01.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg -d sd install http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/crossword_0.0.3_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/glider_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/icebloxx_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/mahjongg_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/maki_1.0.4ern_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zau |
| 21:01.36 | TheMasterMind1 | ze_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/qline_1.0.5ern_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/reversi_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/shisensho_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/sokoban_1.3.8ern_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/tickypip_0.1.1ern_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/project |
| 21:01.36 | TheMasterMind1 | tron_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/win4_1.0.0_arm.ipk http://www.linux-solutions.at/projects/zaurus/feed/ziq_1.1ern_arm.ipk zuc -verbose_wget |
| 21:01.39 | Dessimat0r | F***! 160! |
| 21:01.41 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:01.42 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:01.42 | Freddie | HSN said they will sell it to me for $183 |
| 21:01.42 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 21:01.49 | JasonNJ | oh |
| 21:01.51 | mchang | Dessimat0r: yup... got me one for $178 |
| 21:01.52 | JasonNJ | well 183 is good |
| 21:01.54 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm downloading a load of games :D |
| 21:01.54 | Dessimat0r | wasn't really spamming, since it was only two posts |
| 21:02.00 | Freddie | $160 is better |
| 21:02.01 | JasonNJ | its like 160 if oyu are a first time customer |
| 21:02.05 | Freddie | but I would be worried about them running out |
| 21:02.06 | mchang | Freddie: yep. $160 is tasty. |
| 21:02.06 | Dessimat0r | oh, it was three |
| 21:02.07 | JasonNJ | you can use a coupon code |
| 21:02.08 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
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| 21:02.25 | Freddie | JasonNJ: But if they sell them on that day for that amount |
| 21:02.25 | *** kick/#openembedded [TheMasterMind1!foobar@h-68-166-65-209.MCLNVA23.covad.net] by TheMasterMind1 (spamming) |
| 21:02.28 | Dessimat0r | I bought my Z for £360 |
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| 21:02.30 | Freddie | I might not get one in time |
| 21:02.31 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 21:02.37 | Dessimat0r | a while back |
| 21:02.40 | Freddie | in other words - $183 is FAR better than $399 |
| 21:02.43 | JasonNJ | no it will proably be a80 or so, with a 15 dollar discount |
| 21:02.58 | JasonNJ | er 180 or so with the 15 dollar coupon for qualified buyerrs |
| 21:03.10 | Freddie | yeah, it is $198.92 right now |
| 21:03.14 | Freddie | with a $15 coupon |
| 21:03.14 | mchang | Freddie: yes, FAR better... hopefully you guys will be able to snag one. |
| 21:03.34 | mchang | Freddie: none in stock right now at HSN.com |
| 21:03.40 | JasonNJ | the 5500 is WAY better for running java apps than the 5600 |
| 21:03.41 | Freddie | mchang: Are you serious? |
| 21:03.42 | Freddie | CHRIST |
| 21:03.46 | Freddie | I just called yesterday |
| 21:03.47 | Twiun | bah. yet another place that doesn't ship internationally |
| 21:03.53 | Freddie | they said they had stock |
| 21:03.56 | kergoth`bbl | eh, someone reported two days ago they called hsn and they said they had stock |
| 21:03.59 | JasonNJ | twiun: how goes wonka |
| 21:03.59 | kergoth`bbl | yeah |
| 21:03.59 | mchang | Freddie: oh, phone orders and online orders are someone diff. |
| 21:04.03 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 21:04.05 | mchang | s/someone/somewhat/ |
| 21:04.06 | JasonNJ | sup chris. |
| 21:04.12 | Freddie | yeah, online they had none |
| 21:04.18 | Freddie | but I called and they said they had them |
| 21:04.21 | Twiun | JasonNJ: it's ambling along, almost got fullscreen code working |
| 21:04.23 | mchang | Freddie: right. But on the phone for some reason, they charge tax. |
| 21:04.36 | Freddie | oh, yer right on that mchang |
| 21:04.40 | Freddie | I forgot she told me that |
| 21:04.42 | JasonNJ | twiun: excellent. |
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| 21:04.53 | Twiun | JasonNJ: and finalised the qtopia-less code. So unlike Jeode, we can run without opie |
| 21:04.55 | JasonNJ | BTW, Sharp has ditched Jeode |
| 21:05.09 | Twiun | yeah, I heard they were going for Sun's? |
| 21:05.09 | JasonNJ | the next zaurus -- if there IS a next zaurus, will use Spiderman |
| 21:05.12 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 21:05.21 | Twiun | yeah, still chasing them up on a serious bug |
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| 21:05.46 | JasonNJ | I know all the stats on the next zaurus, but it might not get produced |
| 21:05.50 | JasonNJ | at least in the US |
| 21:05.56 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: hey |
| 21:05.57 | JasonNJ | it will be produced in japan.. probably |
| 21:06.00 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:06.05 | mchang | formatting ext2 sd now... just umount and mkfs? |
| 21:06.11 | Twiun | hopefully by then I'll be able to afford one |
| 21:06.12 | JasonNJ | hey neo. |
| 21:06.18 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: when you ran IF on the 5600, did the program run as root or as the user? I saw that Sharp doesn't run everything as root anymore.. |
| 21:06.33 | Twiun | NeoTron: btw, thanks for the fullscreen code on your pages, it rocks :) |
| 21:06.40 | JasonNJ | ran as a user i think |
| 21:07.00 | JasonNJ | but I am not sure |
| 21:07.06 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: I don't think it's the problem but if it tried to sleep using /dev/rtc and failed, that might vvery well cause lag... |
| 21:07.08 | JasonNJ | it can do both for compatability reasons |
| 21:07.12 | NeoTron | right |
| 21:07.20 | NeoTron | but default is user unless otherwise specified |
| 21:07.23 | Dessimat0r | Spiderman? Name licensing issues...? |
| 21:07.29 | JasonNJ | code name |
| 21:07.35 | JasonNJ | its CDC+Personal Profile |
| 21:07.38 | NeoTron | Dessimat0r: talking about spiderman, I know a good link! |
| 21:07.45 | JasonNJ | NO! |
| 21:08.04 | NeoTron | actually I no longer have that link. :P |
| 21:08.06 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 21:08.16 | JasonNJ | lart neotron |
| 21:08.17 | killefiz | JasonNJ: When will the decision on the next US-Zaurus be made? |
| 21:08.19 | Twiun | JasonNJ: the bug I'm chasing Sun up on regards 3rd party developments - ie not applications |
| 21:08.33 | JasonNJ | killefiz: most likely monday |
| 21:08.39 | JasonNJ | thats when shit hits the fan for sharp usa. |
| 21:08.40 | JasonNJ | monday. |
| 21:08.44 | JasonNJ | its the end of fiscal. |
| 21:09.06 | JasonNJ | I know for a fact people are gonna be laid off |
| 21:09.40 | NeoTron | we all know Ben is a gone then |
| 21:09.45 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 21:09.45 | kergoth | ben's gone now |
| 21:09.51 | NeoTron | ah, friday last day then? |
| 21:09.53 | JasonNJ | ben is gone as of monday |
| 21:10.11 | JasonNJ | which leaves spencer as the sole support person in the US for developers |
| 21:10.13 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: btw, my tetris runs at about 300-400 FPS, if I so wish (of course, that'd be stupid :-) |
| 21:10.16 | JasonNJ | interpret that as you may |
| 21:10.18 | killefiz | JasonNJ: How long does your contract last? |
| 21:10.29 | NeoTron | when I limit it to say 110 FPS, it uses < 10% CPU generally |
| 21:10.30 | JasonNJ | killefiz: I have been gone for 2 months |
| 21:10.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi, hacking in support for buildroot to do the kernel builds w/ a gcc2 toolchain and the rest w/ gcc3 |
| 21:10.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: on its own |
| 21:10.55 | killefiz | oh - must have been away for too long |
| 21:11.02 | JasonNJ | I left on January 31 |
| 21:11.43 | NeoTron | it's cool. I can and will use Ogg vorbis for audio (at least music) |
| 21:12.10 | treke|home | hmmm apm_proxy doesnt look like its being called |
| 21:12.11 | JasonNJ | the new zaurus, should it be released, has kickass stats though. |
| 21:12.36 | mchang | Where should I install Jeode? |
| 21:12.41 | NeoTron | 256 GB of disk, 512 MB RAM, 10000 GHz SuperstrongARN |
| 21:12.44 | NeoTron | :) |
| 21:12.48 | JasonNJ | neo: not quite |
| 21:12.48 | kergoth | mchang: where you want it. |
| 21:12.51 | Freddie | jasonNJ: You said that before the 5600 came out tho |
| 21:12.56 | mchang | kergoth: check. |
| 21:13.02 | Freddie | if I remember right, you said it would blow away the ipaq |
| 21:13.12 | Twiun | NeoTron: ARN? |
| 21:13.20 | Freddie | and to be honest, I now do love the Z more than any ipaq on the market |
| 21:13.25 | JasonNJ | its basically a C700 with double the ram and can accomodate a bigger battery, with the cleaned up xscale chiop |
| 21:13.27 | NeoTron | Twiun: uh. well, the rest wasn't exactly likely either. :P |
| 21:13.34 | mchang | Freddie: got my 1910 here that is pretty sweet. |
| 21:13.36 | Freddie | but not for specs - for the "all in one" form factor that has been present since the 5000d |
| 21:13.37 | NeoTron | now THAT would be massively nice |
| 21:13.44 | NeoTron | damn. :P |
| 21:13.46 | Twiun | NeoTron: never know... there's those guys splicing more ram |
| 21:13.57 | mchang | anyone use qplot here? |
| 21:14.00 | Freddie | JasonNJ: Well, that would be something I would pay $400-$800 for |
| 21:14.07 | Freddie | perhaps more, depending. . . |
| 21:14.07 | Freddie | :) |
| 21:15.13 | JasonNJ | well, it will probably show up in japan, as to the US, its up in the air right now |
| 21:15.26 | Freddie | I have been saying this for like EVER |
| 21:15.40 | Freddie | Sharp needs to realize there are people using WINDOWS that want to buy these things |
| 21:15.42 | treke|home | JasonNJ: that I would buy |
| 21:15.45 | kergoth | Freddie: and? |
| 21:15.49 | Freddie | without "out of the box" minimum palm level support |
| 21:15.53 | Freddie | it isn't going to sell very well |
| 21:16.12 | Freddie | I mean, if you can't do at least as much as the palm out of the box |
| 21:16.16 | Freddie | it is kindof sadf |
| 21:16.24 | Freddie | you know - appointments that span midnight |
| 21:16.48 | Freddie | linking between appointments, todos, and phone numbers |
| 21:16.48 | JasonNJ | well, the superstores were not very excited about the 5600 because the 5500 was such a dog... but they liked the C700, so who knows, maybe if they get a sales commitment from a few big chains, they might produce this new one for the US. |
| 21:16.53 | Freddie | full up outlook support |
| 21:16.55 | Freddie | that kind of thing |
| 21:17.09 | Freddie | JasonNJ: I sure hope so |
| 21:17.25 | kergoth | but if sharp doesnt wake up, the new one will flop as well. |
| 21:17.30 | JasonNJ | I've given up on trying to predict on what Sharp does anymore |
| 21:17.32 | NeoTron | dammit, I keep getting lockups in /dev/rtc usage all of a sudden |
| 21:17.34 | kergoth | takes more than just a decent piece of hardware. |
| 21:17.37 | JasonNJ | they defy logic on a daily basis |
| 21:17.49 | Twiun | big corporations usually do |
| 21:17.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:18.01 | Freddie | see y'all |
| 21:18.09 | NeoTron | btw, ogg vorbis at 48 Kbps sounds rather good |
| 21:18.17 | Twiun | the amounts of internal politicking gets ridiculous |
| 21:18.19 | JasonNJ | yeah, vorbis aint half bad |
| 21:18.34 | NeoTron | perfect for thsi soundtrack |
| 21:18.46 | NeoTron | much better quality than the equally sized FLAC encoded version |
| 21:18.48 | JasonNJ | neo: which game? |
| 21:19.23 | mchang | okay, now does opera run in 3.2? |
| 21:19.29 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:19.43 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: my tetris |
| 21:19.52 | NeoTron | even with vorbis it's not sweating it |
| 21:19.53 | mchang | kergoth: which do you think is more stable, konq or opera? tnx |
| 21:19.54 | JasonNJ | kergoth: do we have the extractor script for the 5600 rom yet? |
| 21:20.04 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:20.12 | JasonNJ | we should get to work on that |
| 21:20.30 | kergoth | 'we' have other things 'we're concerned with at the moment |
| 21:20.32 | NeoTron | now if I can just get read of /dev/rtc not to lock up.. |
| 21:20.35 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 21:20.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:20.43 | JasonNJ | yeah get me my 5600 rom |
| 21:20.44 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 21:21.13 | JasonNJ | you working on the new kernel now? |
| 21:21.44 | kergoth | no, right now i'm finishing the tslib qte touches |
| 21:21.47 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 21:21.51 | JasonNJ | yes very important |
| 21:21.51 | kergoth | then itll be the c700 in kernel keymap |
| 21:21.52 | treke|home | ok wtf |
| 21:22.03 | kergoth | then kernel space things |
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| 21:28.56 | JasonNJ | twiun: are there any Java-based desktop PIM programs out there we could use as the basis for a platform independent sync tool? |
| 21:29.29 | Twiun | JasonNJ: I have no idea... it's possible though, never needed to look any up |
| 21:29.52 | JasonNJ | I'm thinking that might help us on getting somethig better than qtopia desktop |
| 21:29.56 | JasonNJ | for windows, mac and linux |
| 21:30.06 | yeiazel | why do everybody think of java when talking about platform-independence ? |
| 21:30.23 | mchang | yeiazel: because simple programs are |
| 21:30.27 | JasonNJ | well, what else would we use |
| 21:30.46 | JasonNJ | the thing is.. the java 2 VM from sun runs on mac, windows and linux |
| 21:31.01 | JasonNJ | is we had something better on the desktop that we could maintain for all platforms it would help a lot |
| 21:31.07 | yeiazel | python works on mac, windows, linux, and many many other unices |
| 21:31.11 | JasonNJ | right now qtopia desktop is a mess and it is closed source |
| 21:31.12 | killefiz | JasonNJ: what's wrong with qt? |
| 21:31.22 | treke|home | kergoth: interesting it does get called at startup |
| 21:31.25 | treke|home | just not on suspend |
| 21:31.34 | JasonNJ | killefiz: qtopia desktop is fucking broken |
| 21:31.39 | JasonNJ | especially in respect to OZ |
| 21:31.42 | kergoth | treke|home: weird. if you put a opiealarm 'suspend' script rahter than event, does it work? |
| 21:31.55 | kergoth | treke|home: the event script should be called on every event, afaik |
| 21:31.57 | treke|home | kergoth: apm_proxy isnt even getting called |
| 21:31.59 | killefiz | sure - but i do think that an app developed using qt would be ok. Runs on windows / mac / unix |
| 21:32.01 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:32.08 | kergoth | weird. |
| 21:32.25 | Twiun | killefiz: I don't think the problem here is Qt, it's more a TT problem |
| 21:32.35 | killefiz | Twiun: exactly |
| 21:32.40 | JasonNJ | killefiz: well, kaddressbook is good, and theres this new KDE thing being developed |
| 21:33.05 | JasonNJ | theres this new kde thing that is supposed to be sort of like evolution, but I dont know how far developed it is |
| 21:33.09 | Twiun | killefiz: personally, I don't really care what language is used... if something exists that we can build on we will |
| 21:33.17 | JasonNJ | right |
| 21:33.22 | JasonNJ | I dont wanna reinvent the wheel |
| 21:33.36 | Twiun | yeah, it's a friggin pain, believe me :) |
| 21:33.41 | mchang | when syncing with outlook, is there an issue with recurring all-day appointments (like birthdays)? |
| 21:33.49 | JasonNJ | right now, we dont have a single decent syncing or desktop pim solution that is multiplatform |
| 21:34.39 | JasonNJ | if trolltech opened the source on qtopia desktop we could fix it, but we cant |
| 21:34.41 | Twiun | JasonNJ: no way of getting TT to release their qtawt as open source is there? |
| 21:34.51 | JasonNJ | twiun: no way |
| 21:34.57 | JasonNJ | I had that discussion with them |
| 21:35.30 | Twiun | any specific reason, or just because it's adding value for their OEM customers? |
| 21:36.33 | treke|home | looks like I'll have to dig into the apm source |
| 21:36.46 | JasonNJ | twiun: because its a revenue stream |
| 21:36.58 | JasonNJ | because they made IBM, Sun and Insignia pay for it |
| 21:37.03 | Twiun | good point |
| 21:37.20 | treke|home | too bad they cant do the qt thing with it |
| 21:37.31 | treke|home | dual license |
| 21:37.55 | Twiun | treke|home: hopefully mine will force their hand |
| 21:38.00 | NeoTron | hrm |
| 21:38.07 | NeoTron | wtf does select get errno EINVAL.. |
| 21:38.08 | NeoTron | odd |
| 21:39.18 | Twiun | JasonNJ: I wonder if becoming a Sun licensee would disallow releasing sources to projects |
| 21:39.30 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 21:39.46 | Twiun | with that we'd have qtawt code |
| 21:39.59 | Twiun | fix it and we'd be done |
| 21:40.22 | Twiun | ok, so not an open source solution, but a free one at least |
| 21:40.29 | Twiun | well... maybe not free... |
| 21:40.34 | Twiun | depends on the licensing fee |
| 21:41.06 | JasonNJ | I still want to contiue to pursue Wonka and Kaffee |
| 21:41.41 | Twiun | I agree - I want as much variety as possible |
| 21:44.23 | Twiun | lesse if blackdown's jvm will work with other bindings |
| 21:46.21 | treke|home | ok so it isnt workaround.patch |
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| 21:53.11 | kergoth | apm or apmd? :) |
| 21:53.14 | treke|home | d |
| 21:53.28 | kergoth | does apmd say the event occurred in syslog? |
| 21:53.31 | kergoth | when you suspend? |
| 21:53.37 | kergoth | either 1) apmd is broken |
| 21:53.44 | kergoth | or 2) it wasnt able to get notified of the event by the kernel |
| 21:53.49 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:53.54 | treke|home | lemme check |
| 21:53.56 | treke|home | i didnt think of that |
| 21:54.03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, oz stable feed has zbedic? |
| 21:54.18 | kergoth | does it? |
| 21:54.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm asking |
| 21:54.36 | TheMasterMind1 | ya it does |
| 21:54.36 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:54.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i had one from long time ago on my SD |
| 21:54.44 | TheMasterMind1 | from zsi |
| 21:54.47 | TheMasterMind1 | thats why its broke |
| 21:54.48 | NeoTron | gmrmr |
| 21:54.51 | TheMasterMind1 | and its same version so it didn't update |
| 21:54.57 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:55.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going crazy installing software |
| 21:55.03 | TheMasterMind1 | its fun |
| 21:55.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i've filled 70 megs |
| 21:55.18 | kergoth | fun |
| 21:55.39 | kergoth | i'm making buildroot able to switch from gcc2 to gcc3 easier |
| 21:55.44 | kergoth | and per application |
| 21:55.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:55.50 | TheMasterMind1 | need...more... |
| 21:56.03 | mchang | see you round. |
| 21:56.39 | treke|home | kergoth: readlog should be a busybox symlink, right? |
| 21:56.52 | kergoth | i think you mean logread |
| 21:56.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:57.00 | treke|home | that explains it |
| 21:57.19 | killefiz | kergoth: upgrading from 3.1-rc3.1 - do i need to flash the zImage or just initrd? |
| 21:57.27 | kergoth | both. |
| 21:57.31 | kergoth | otherwise irda wont be able to enable |
| 21:58.20 | treke|home | kergoth: all I see is a bunch of klog entries for suspend |
| 21:58.46 | kergoth | hmm, maybe need to make apmd more verbose |
| 21:59.38 | treke|home | kergoth: how should I be suspending, apm -s? |
| 21:59.46 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:59.55 | treke|home | ok so I'm doing that right |
| 22:00.05 | treke|home | it could be that the ipaq apm driver is broken :) |
| 22:00.28 | kergoth | well thats the thing.. let me see if my apmd says anything to syslog on suspend |
| 22:00.31 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:00.33 | treke|home | ah |
| 22:00.44 | Twiun | kergoth: just to confirm, we've removed /opt/QtPalmtop/bin from the default PATH, right? |
| 22:00.54 | kergoth | i dont know if its that verbose |
| 22:01.03 | treke|home | I'm trying the v flag |
| 22:01.07 | kergoth | Twiun: unintentional |
| 22:01.17 | Twiun | kergoth: oh, cool :) |
| 22:01.30 | Twiun | kergoth: was wondering as that breaks all the java apps :) |
| 22:01.39 | kergoth | doh |
| 22:01.44 | kergoth | i'll get a new oz-base in unstable shortly |
| 22:02.03 | Twiun | no hurry - I don't think anyone's noticed |
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| 22:02.28 | Twiun | think people actually use those java apps at all? |
| 22:02.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 22:03.57 | kergoth | treke|home: apmd shows events with -v, i stopped and started it with -v with syslog running, and it shows the apm_proxy call |
| 22:04.05 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:04.09 | treke|home | what -v did you use? |
| 22:04.17 | kergoth | aha |
| 22:04.19 | kergoth | dood |
| 22:04.29 | kergoth | its trying to run /etc/apmd_proxy |
| 22:04.33 | kergoth | its actually /etc/apm/apmd_proxy |
| 22:04.34 | kergoth | !! |
| 22:04.40 | treke|home | kergoth: the init script sets it |
| 22:04.45 | kergoth | oh |
| 22:04.47 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:04.49 | treke|home | use -P /etc/apm/apmd_proxy |
| 22:04.55 | treke|home | I know it sucessfully runs at startup |
| 22:04.57 | kergoth | but it does show it executing the proxy on my Z |
| 22:04.59 | kergoth | on resume |
| 22:05.12 | kergoth | shows it on suspend too |
| 22:06.03 | treke|home | sound like an apm bug? |
| 22:06.16 | treke|home | in the ipaq kernel module |
| 22:06.22 | kergoth | you still dont see the events on suspend with -v? |
| 22:06.31 | treke|home | nope |
| 22:06.36 | kergoth | then yeah, apmd isnt getting the suspend/resume events from the driver |
| 22:06.36 | treke|home | I just see it at start |
| 22:06.50 | kergoth | guess they never noticed, cause they dont use apmd |
| 22:06.55 | kergoth | they use that pmhelper hack |
| 22:07.04 | treke|home | hmm. |
| 22:07.26 | kergoth | apmd is really the proper way to do it, but their apm implementation apparently blows |
| 22:08.26 | TheMasterMind1 | whats this uBrowser |
| 22:08.32 | kergoth | a tiny browser |
| 22:08.36 | kergoth | doesnt support forms n stuff |
| 22:08.37 | kergoth | no css |
| 22:08.42 | kergoth | but it works |
| 22:08.45 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 22:09.04 | treke|home | kergoth: does linux/kernel/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/apm.c sound like the file I'm looking for? |
| 22:09.11 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:09.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:09.16 | kergoth | err |
| 22:09.19 | kergoth | yeah i think so |
| 22:10.06 | kergoth | kernel stuff is fun :) |
| 22:10.51 | treke|home | kergoth: do you also like having your testicles being squeezed in a vice grip? |
| 22:11.05 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:11.10 | kergoth | i'm no masochist |
| 22:11.42 | kergoth | hey buildroot just built busybox with gcc3 and the kernel with gcc2 all by itself! |
| 22:11.46 | kergoth | i'm so proud of it |
| 22:11.53 | treke|home | cool |
| 22:12.17 | _Psycho | speed optimisation for the arm ? |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth | we could make whether you build c++ apps w/ gcc2 vs gcc3 configurable as well |
| 22:12.26 | kergoth | _Psycho: uh, we always optimize |
| 22:12.32 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:12.46 | _Psycho | i mean gcc3 optimize more than gcc2 ? |
| 22:12.50 | kergoth | gcc2 doesnt support xscale optimization at all |
| 22:12.51 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:12.59 | _Psycho | yeah tahts what i thought |
| 22:13.15 | _Psycho | when are you putting up a buggy rom fo rme ;) |
| 22:13.17 | _Psycho | for* |
| 22:13.28 | kergoth | when i have qt/e calibration working on my c700 |
| 22:13.31 | kergoth | i'm working on it todya |
| 22:13.38 | kergoth | but got distracted by teaching the buildroot to be spiffy |
| 22:13.54 | _Psycho | thats the float variable thing you was talking about the other day ? |
| 22:14.17 | kergoth | no |
| 22:14.27 | kergoth | the float things is for 2.4.19 on collie |
| 22:14.28 | _Psycho | i still have problem to make my own package :) hehe, i did a mrproper, a bk pull, then cant make config anymore ;) |
| 22:14.31 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 22:14.40 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:16.54 | treke|home | maybe I'll pester jamey a bit on monday |
| 22:17.13 | kergoth | if i have time, i'll take a look |
| 22:17.17 | kergoth | i've delved into that code before |
| 22:18.23 | treke|home | theres also some other pm stuff in there. I'm guessing its a matter of making whatever calls pm_helper send an appropriate signal to apm |
| 22:35.12 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea, zbedic ain't working |
| 22:43.50 | treke|home | kergoth: btw, for the time being I have nvrd set up as a seperate package from the kernel to prevent circular depends, but it probably belongs in kernel |
| 22:44.23 | kergoth | k |
| 22:45.11 | treke|home | I imagine having the kernel depending on busybox and util-linux-mount would be a bad thing :) |
| 22:45.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:45.30 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:45.50 | kergoth | which is why sdmmc-tools and sdmmc-modules are seperate :) |
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| 22:52.50 | schurig | hi |
| 22:53.09 | kergoth | hi schurig |
| 22:54.03 | kergoth | bit |
| 23:05.54 | Dessimat0r | ibot seen AndyQ |
| 23:05.54 | | andyq <~AndyQ@pc-62-31-42-4-hy.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 11d 23h 17m 49s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
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| 23:27.04 | JasonNJ | I hope he aint dead |
| 23:27.28 | JasonNJ | he doesnt live in iraq, does he |
| 23:27.51 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 23:44.20 | treke|home | hehe |
| 23:44.24 | treke|home | england :) |