| 00:00.07 | kergoth | er yeah |
| 00:00.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:00.07 | bipolar | yeah, it's there. |
| 00:00.11 | kergoth | okay good |
| 00:00.14 | kergoth | so df is being a bitch |
| 00:00.18 | yeiazel | I had no access to /etc/mtab |
| 00:00.44 | bipolar | mtab is a link to /proc/mounts |
| 00:00.52 | kergoth | yes, i tshould be |
| 00:01.02 | kergoth | damnit, i need a new stylus |
| 00:01.11 | bipolar | i'm about to do an update from unstable. wish me luck... :) |
| 00:01.14 | yeiazel | ipkg stopped after not being able to write files... I should have written the last installed packages :/ |
| 00:01.56 | bipolar | Upgrading libopie1 on root from 0.9.2-20030324.1 to 0.9.2-20030325.2.1... |
| 00:01.56 | bipolar | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libopieobex: |
| 00:01.57 | bipolar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.00 | bipolar | *sigh* |
| 00:02.19 | kergoth | err? |
| 00:02.23 | kergoth | oh |
| 00:02.32 | kergoth | dont we have a patch agasinst opie for that one? |
| 00:03.29 | bipolar | can I modify the ipk without rebuilding the whole damn thing? :) |
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| 00:04.10 | kergoth | bipolar: fixed in cvs |
| 00:04.14 | kergoth | bipolar: yes |
| 00:04.23 | kergoth | change it in build/opie/core/applets/obex2 |
| 00:04.27 | kergoth | then rm stamps/.opie.ipk |
| 00:04.28 | kergoth | make |
| 00:04.30 | nz | hey, how can i sync my nokia 8310 contacts with the sharp zaurus ?? |
| 00:04.47 | Harlekin | nz: one by one |
| 00:05.04 | nz | there isnt a better way ?? |
| 00:06.03 | Harlekin | via outlook maybe |
| 00:06.14 | nz | is there not a way to improt from a txt or .wab file ?? |
| 00:07.04 | troffasky | is /. dead at the moment? |
| 00:07.46 | treke | we can only wish |
| 00:08.37 | nz | how does the contacts app store contacts ?? |
| 00:08.52 | Harlekin | xml file |
| 00:08.52 | bipolar | kergoth: do I just remove the dependancy or change it to something else? |
| 00:09.10 | kergoth | bipolar: CVS_PASSFILE=/path/to/your/buildroot/.cvspass cvs up |
| 00:09.14 | kergoth | bipolar: i fixed it in cvs |
| 00:11.19 | bipolar | kergoth: and I should put the new ipkg in unstable too? |
| 00:11.38 | mewyn | kergoth: did i tell you my new plans for my keyboard mod? |
| 00:12.57 | kergoth | bipolar: uhh |
| 00:13.00 | kergoth | what to mean 'too'? |
| 00:13.05 | kergoth | isnt unstable what you're updating? |
| 00:13.22 | bipolar | kergoth: i'm going to update libopieobex and ipkg too? |
| 00:13.23 | bipolar | :) |
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| 00:13.36 | bipolar | ljp: wb |
| 00:13.39 | kergoth | what? |
| 00:13.42 | kergoth | i still dont understand |
| 00:14.02 | bipolar | kergoth: forget it... :) Should I put the new ipkg in unstable? |
| 00:14.17 | kergoth | if the buildroot produced it, it belongs in unstable. |
| 00:14.28 | treke | kergoth: hmm cool. looks like larry mcvoy is working on a cvs front end to bitkeeper |
| 00:14.29 | nz | hmmmz, this is gonna take an extremly long time to get all my contacts on there |
| 00:14.30 | kergoth | i dont understand the question |
| 00:14.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:14.34 | kergoth | treke: nice |
| 00:14.42 | treke | kergoth: That could be very very cool |
| 00:14.46 | kergoth | indeed |
| 00:14.59 | bipolar | kergoth: this part of PA has a weird way of saying things... lots of PA Dutch inflence. ;) |
| 00:15.05 | treke | kergoth: hell I could quite possibly justify the licenses here at work if he did |
| 00:15.31 | kergoth | why? reduce the learning curve for engineers? |
| 00:15.42 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 00:15.48 | bipolar | kergoth: no thanks |
| 00:15.50 | kergoth | the 2.95.3 w/ new binutils exhibits the kernel doesnt compile problem |
| 00:15.54 | kergoth | suspend.S:62: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 00:15.54 | kergoth | suspend.S:344: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 00:15.56 | kergoth | :\ |
| 00:16.01 | treke | kergoth: lower leaarning curve for the public |
| 00:17.49 | ljp | umm, isnt this a family channel? ;) |
| 00:21.34 | bipolar | Jeez! We've got to get a better jffs2 implementation. |
| 00:21.55 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:22.28 | yeiazel | kergoth: is there something to do after isntalling xmms ? links, or so ? |
| 00:23.14 | kergoth | if you installed from aqpkg you're done. if you installed from cmdlinee, use ipkg-link add |
| 00:23.30 | yeiazel | ipkg-link: No such file or directory |
| 00:23.34 | yeiazel | ! |
| 00:23.56 | bipolar | I'm about ready to just run everything of of SD and be done with it. :( |
| 00:24.08 | yeiazel | ok, it's in /usr/sbin |
| 00:24.19 | yeiazel | same pb as for rebooting from opie |
| 00:25.36 | bipolar | and of course, df won't tell me how much space I have left, so I'm out of the loop. grrrrr |
| 00:26.11 | bipolar | ~lart sharp for giving us a sd module tied to a specific kernel |
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| 00:26.11 | yeiazel | it works :) |
| 00:30.27 | kennyj | what's up with the -debug zImages on the experimental page? |
| 00:30.57 | kergoth | they let you see boot message |
| 00:31.00 | kergoth | and runtime kernel messages |
| 00:31.01 | kennyj | ahh. |
| 00:31.25 | kennyj | would reflash with one, but too lazy. Maybe tomorrow. :) |
| 00:32.19 | kennyj | spent the whole day looking for a suitable battery pack for the Z at local stores... you'd think that at least ONE of the 300 or so camera shops in this area would have a decent external battery pack... |
| 00:32.33 | kennyj | stupid tourist-oriented local retail... |
| 00:34.18 | bipolar | hehe |
| 00:35.37 | kennyj | stabbity stabbity stabbity |
| 00:36.08 | kennyj | damn, 8-Bit Theater is a bad influence on me... |
| 00:36.26 | kergoth | hawhaw this guy says i was 'censoring' him |
| 00:36.30 | kergoth | on the mailing lists |
| 00:36.32 | treke | kergoth: ha |
| 00:36.34 | treke | url? |
| 00:36.48 | kergoth | apparently asking someone to do research before posting is 'censorship' |
| 00:37.20 | kergoth | ah he didnt cc the list |
| 00:37.25 | kennyj | put his complaints up on the list AND on the OZ site, including full email headers. That'll fix 'em. ^_^ |
| 00:37.39 | kergoth | apparently i've now 'turned him off' to OZ and he's going to go help crow or debian on zaurus |
| 00:37.44 | kergoth | *cough* big loss. |
| 00:38.14 | treke | url? :) |
| 00:38.34 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:38.46 | kennyj | you mean there's actually a debian on z project? this'll be good. Without the realistic AI script that is kergoth, it won't even get off the ground. :) |
| 00:38.56 | bipolar | kergoth: what guy? |
| 00:42.34 | kergoth | yeah debain is on the Z, but dpkg+apt is too heavyweight for it to be very useful. |
| 00:42.50 | kergoth | "Chris" <chris.camacho@ntlworld.com> |
| 00:44.52 | bipolar | kergoth: there's only a few emails from him on the users list. what's his beef? |
| 00:45.17 | kergoth | apparently my reply saying he should read about jffs2 before posting is 'censorship' |
| 00:45.26 | bipolar | heh |
| 00:46.36 | kergoth | I sent it twice the point was valid and still is, you stopped it |
| 00:46.36 | kergoth | thats censorship, even if I was totally talking out of my hat |
| 00:46.36 | kergoth | stopping it is censorship |
| 00:46.44 | bipolar | kergoth: it looks like his original msg is not on the list. |
| 00:48.40 | kennyj | did debian on the z have any more luck with the SD driver, by any chance? |
| 00:49.05 | kennyj | I'm pretty good at screwing 2.4.6's pooch.... |
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| 00:49.15 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 00:49.33 | kennyj | argh... leet... die... ;) |
| 00:50.21 | bipolar | Dessimat0r: hiya |
| 00:50.32 | kergoth | hey dess |
| 00:52.14 | kennyj | has anybody ever had any luck attempting to reverse-engineer? or, perhaps a better question would be, has anybody ever tried? |
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| 00:52.45 | kergoth | kennyj: anyone in the US would be a fool to attempt it |
| 00:53.32 | bipolar | kergoth: no... anyone in the us would be a fool to *admit* to attempting it... :) |
| 00:53.39 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:54.06 | bipolar | on the other hand... a binary SD driver being posted anonymously on slashdot would be a godsend. |
| 00:54.26 | bipolar | then again... why just a binary one...heh |
| 00:55.21 | bipolar | I don't think the DMCA would come into it though... as long as you were not trying to cercumvent the DRM part of the SD protocal, which the Z does not use anyway. |
| 00:55.59 | kergoth | well, from what i hear, because they hide the init sequence.. which is sort of an access control, if a shitty one.. you'd be circumventin gthat in attempting to figure out the init sequence |
| 00:56.27 | bipolar | kergoth: and the Toshiba doc does not talk about that at all? :) |
| 00:56.41 | kennyj | yeah... my understanding of it is that the DRM is based on encrypting the file on-disk, much like CSS encryption on DVD. As long as you leave that alone, you're cool. |
| 00:56.43 | kennyj | oops |
| 00:56.49 | kennyj | meant to edit that |
| 00:56.55 | kennyj | my *limited* understanding of it :) |
| 00:56.59 | chouimat|reading | bipolar: they speak of the command but we don't have the actual value of the command |
| 00:57.26 | bipolar | chouimat|reading: how many diffrent values could it be? |
| 00:57.38 | chouimat|reading | bipolar: "fouille-moi" |
| 00:57.39 | Dessimat0r | whats this about the testing ROM? o_O |
| 00:57.49 | kennyj | still, clean-room reverse-engineering for pure research purposes is unassailable. The DMCA explicitly allows for it. :) |
| 00:58.03 | chouimat|reading | bipolar: hehe |
| 00:58.18 | kennyj | Anybody can make a legal threat, but going through with it is another matter entirely. It wouldn't hold up in court. |
| 00:58.40 | kennyj | And you know the EFF or ACLU would be all over that like stink on shit. :) |
| 00:59.58 | Dessimat0r | Whoever invented SD deserves to be tortured |
| 01:00.20 | kennyj | Even still, I really doubt that a hidden init sequence counts as a copyright protection device. It doesn't do anything to restrict access to copyrighted data, it simply makes it a pain to reverse-engineer. Unless I'm missing something big here. |
| 01:01.01 | kennyj | well, SD isn't bad from a technological standpoint, it's pretty cool for what it does in the limited amount of space it does it in... it's that damn DRM bullshit (which is itself a marketing ploy for media companies) that fucks it all up. |
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| 01:02.15 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 01:02.25 | Zarchon | anyone familiar with the configuration of konqueror here? |
| 01:02.32 | kennyj | hmm, here's an idea... is the SD driver loaded as a module or is it compiled directly into the kernel? |
| 01:02.36 | kennyj | Zarchon: what about it? |
| 01:02.48 | kergoth | its a module. |
| 01:02.51 | chouimat|reading | ok ... time for my favorite kids show ... TeleBoobies |
| 01:02.52 | Zarchon | I need it to send out a UserAgent string |
| 01:03.03 | Zarchon | currently it doesn't |
| 01:03.20 | Dessimat0r | Zarchon: its on the KDE configuration panel somewhere |
| 01:03.37 | Dessimat0r | Zarchon: under Konqueror |
| 01:03.40 | Zarchon | on the OZ package? |
| 01:03.49 | Zarchon | :) |
| 01:03.56 | Dessimat0r | Zarchon: ah, i thought you were talkin about the pc version ;) |
| 01:04.02 | Zarchon | I wish |
| 01:04.03 | kennyj | is anybody here familiar with BSD's linux emulation layer? Does it support loadable kernel modules, perhaps? If so, a stripped-down port might be in order. ^_^ |
| 01:04.18 | treke | doesnt do kernel modules that I know of |
| 01:04.20 | chouimat|reading | kennyj: based of redhat 6.1 |
| 01:04.25 | kennyj | gah |
| 01:04.49 | chouimat|reading | kennyj: in 4.5 I think it's more recent in later release |
| 01:04.58 | dep | kergoth: tried the experimental collie 40-24 and rootfs 03241609 ....it did the openzaurus scribble at boot, now just sitting there for more than 5 minutes |
| 01:05.04 | Zarchon | so I take it that I'm doomed. :) |
| 01:05.31 | kennyj | chouimat: what about redhat? |
| 01:05.32 | Dessimat0r | have the older kernel as a module to the newer kernel, then load the sd module through the older kernel o_O |
| 01:05.32 | kergoth | dep: did you see Please Wait...? |
| 01:05.39 | Dessimat0r | alright, its insane |
| 01:05.40 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:05.43 | kergoth | dep: if not, your rootfs didnt flash, or was corrupt. |
| 01:05.46 | chouimat|reading | kennyj: huh? |
| 01:05.48 | kergoth | dep: you must rename it to initrd.bin |
| 01:05.53 | kennyj | chou: nevermind |
| 01:06.14 | kennyj | dess: I was thinking something like that also. Anybody know if user-mode linux works on 2.4.6? ^_^ |
| 01:06.27 | kergoth | itd be easier to just finish the wrapper module i started. |
| 01:06.39 | kennyj | heh, probably. |
| 01:06.43 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:06.48 | kergoth | intercepts the calls into and out of hte module and adapts to new interfaces |
| 01:06.55 | kennyj | but it's OVERKILL! long live the overkill! ^_^ |
| 01:07.02 | chouimat|reading | kennyj: in 5.0 it's 7.1 and 6.1 |
| 01:07.05 | kergoth | this kernel compile failure is pissing me off. |
| 01:08.08 | dep | kergoth: strange...did full reset and now it's doing "please wait" properly. cosmic rays i guess |
| 01:08.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:08.16 | kennyj | kergoth: can you make it log every bit that goes in and out? that'd probably make reverse-engineering it a cinch for anybody with the required skills... |
| 01:08.20 | bipolar | kergoth: how far along is the wrapper module? |
| 01:08.30 | dep | or i missed the full reset after flashing |
| 01:08.38 | chouimat|reading | kennyj: and in 4.6.2 4.7 |
| 01:08.45 | kergoth | bipolar: all the calls into the kernel are adapted |
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| 01:08.56 | kennyj | chou: nevermind. Thanks, though. :) |
| 01:08.58 | kergoth | bipolar: the calls back into the driver arent, and the blkdev struct needs dealing with |
| 01:09.03 | bipolar | kergoth: did you hit a wall somewhere? |
| 01:09.08 | kergoth | yes |
| 01:09.17 | kergoth | it can be done, but its a apin |
| 01:09.18 | kergoth | pain |
| 01:09.26 | kergoth | i'm not making a decision on it going forward until post 3.1. |
| 01:10.05 | kennyj | damn... I'd help you, but my knowledge is SORELY lacking. I don't even know C/C++ yet... >.< |
| 01:10.33 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: got time to play with the dct? |
| 01:11.47 | kergoth | nope, its still collecting dust |
| 01:11.53 | kergoth | i heard they got the rom out of it eh? |
| 01:12.30 | kergoth | q: If you were young again, would you start writing TeX again or would |
| 01:12.30 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.30 | kergoth | a: I hope to die before I have to use Microsoft Word. |
| 01:12.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.02 | kennyj | gah... Intel needs to be shot a few times. They just patented a technology to internally lock processors to the predetermined clock speed, no matter what.... There goes overclocking for the Intel half of the market. >.< |
| 01:13.55 | kergoth | thats pretty fucking stupid on their part. |
| 01:14.03 | _Psycho | very |
| 01:14.05 | _Psycho | doesnt make much sense |
| 01:14.19 | bipolar | kennyj: in the words of my buddy J.C.: "The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak" |
| 01:15.36 | kennyj | they *do* have problems with bootleggers marking the chips up, and making a few modificiations to adjust the multiplier so they run at higher-than-advertised speeds... which isn't very stable with stock cooling, of course. |
| 01:15.42 | kennyj | it's a support and liability issue. |
| 01:16.33 | kennyj | so, they're fucking over the hobbiests in order to slow down the black market just a teeny bit. |
| 01:16.41 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: TeX rocks ... especially context |
| 01:17.40 | Neo|Work | yowza: http://www.nomachine.com/screenshots3.php anyone tried it? |
| 01:19.26 | chouimat|reading | Neo|Work: nope ... price of that thing? |
| 01:20.17 | kennyj | seems the client is free and the server is not |
| 01:20.18 | Dessimat0r | How should I name 'rootfs-oz3.1-rc3.2-200303231635.bin' considering that I want to flash it ;) |
| 01:20.18 | Neo|Work | client seems like it's free, dunno about server |
| 01:20.39 | kennyj | I assume they're standard X, so XFree on your desktop is probably a competent server :) |
| 01:20.45 | kennyj | personally I'd just use VNC though |
| 01:20.58 | kennyj | one client will get you on damn near anything ^_^ |
| 01:21.00 | Neo|Work | chouimat|reading: 50 bucks for the personal edition.. |
| 01:21.03 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: initrd.bin. |
| 01:21.13 | Dessimat0r | ah, thanks kergoth |
| 01:21.17 | Neo|Work | or, to be exact 55 euro or os |
| 01:21.20 | Dessimat0r | same as before, then |
| 01:21.31 | kergoth | yes, flash procedure hasnt changed. |
| 01:21.38 | chouimat|reading | ibot: change 55 euro to cad |
| 01:22.05 | chouimat|reading | ok back to moorcock The Skrayling Tree |
| 01:22.14 | kergoth | how is it? |
| 01:22.17 | kergoth | I need to get more of his books |
| 01:23.12 | Dessimat0r | mmm... moorcock |
| 01:23.21 | Dessimat0r | j/k ;) |
| 01:23.27 | kennyj | o.O |
| 01:23.44 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: actually very good it's the sequel (well sort of) of The Dreamthieft Daughter, a book where he integrate Ulric Von Bek in to the Eternal Champion serie |
| 01:23.50 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:23.52 | kergoth | Subject: FW: [Openzaurus-users] SD vs. MMC |
| 01:23.52 | kergoth | You REALLY have put me off open zaurus. |
| 01:23.54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:24.03 | kergoth | darn. |
| 01:25.40 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: you will find ulric von bek first apearance in The war hound and the world's pain .... If you can want it you can borrow my french translation :) |
| 01:25.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:26.14 | kergoth | binutils 2.13.2.1 compiles the kernel |
| 01:26.41 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: I have only 25 moorcock books out of ?????? alot |
| 01:27.26 | kergoth`bbl | goin hom |
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| 02:17.00 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less! (tm) | http://openzaurus.org/ for something usable | The BitKeeper Repository for OpenEmbedded contains the first interesting stuff | Brave users willing to test can obtain the current testing rom at http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 02:21.02 | treke|home | hmm this isnt right |
| 02:21.26 | ljp | what that? |
| 02:21.36 | treke|home | ggilbert@dreamland:~/kernel-testing$ du -sh patch-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh7 |
| 02:21.37 | treke|home | 167M patch-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh7 |
| 02:23.01 | kennyj | I can't seem to make kismet_qt show a desktop icon in Opie OR a taskbar icon when I *do* start it from the console. Running the experimental rom. from yesterday. Any ideas? |
| 02:24.27 | ljp | proper .desktop file? |
| 02:25.07 | kennyj | I dunno. Same ipkg worked fine the other day. Reinstalled it, removed then reinstalled it... doesn't seem to work right, at least not out of the box. |
| 02:25.29 | kennyj | mind you this *is* the experimental rom... |
| 02:26.26 | treke|home | stupid shit should break in exprimental roms |
| 02:26.36 | kennyj | damn right. |
| 02:27.46 | kennyj | just thought I'd ask if anyone *cough*kergoth*cough* knew what might cause that to break... maybe I'll look into it myself later on, when I don't have 3 people IMing me and dishes in the sink waiting to be cleaned. :) |
| 02:32.44 | chouimat|tv | kennyj: for the dishes get a cat |
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| 02:33.40 | bipolar | wonderful.... |
| 02:33.41 | bipolar | Installing libqt2-emb (2.3.4-6) to root... |
| 02:33.41 | bipolar | [: ==: unknown operand |
| 02:33.41 | bipolar | postinst script returned status 1 |
| 02:33.42 | bipolar | ERROR: opie-common.postinst returned 1 |
| 02:34.41 | ljp | thats a problem? ;) |
| 02:34.47 | bipolar | grrrrr.... |
| 02:35.09 | nz | do openzaurus apps work on the sharp orgianl rom ?? |
| 02:35.15 | bipolar | ipkg just gives up and returns to a prompt when it hits an error like that. |
| 02:35.28 | bipolar | nz: a few are. Most need libopie. |
| 02:35.38 | nz | ok |
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| 02:35.56 | nz | i couldnt find anything that would get my contacts onto my pda |
| 02:36.02 | bipolar | treke|home: yo! |
| 02:36.08 | nz | and i dont want to do them one by one |
| 02:36.09 | treke|home | yo! |
| 02:36.18 | bipolar | nz: contacts from what program? |
| 02:36.33 | nz | my 8310 |
| 02:36.41 | nz | i loaded them all into outlook |
| 02:36.51 | nz | i can make a .txt or a .wab file |
| 02:37.01 | bipolar | nz: I think that the latest qtopiadesktop can sync with outlook. |
| 02:37.08 | nz | and load the file to the zaurus via cf card or irda |
| 02:37.21 | bipolar | nz: but I don't run windows, so I'm not much help there. |
| 02:37.25 | nz | do u have a url for that ?? |
| 02:37.47 | bipolar | ibot: zsi qtopiadesktop |
| 02:38.08 | bipolar | ibot: you are a moron |
| 02:38.09 | | I think you lost me on that one, bipolar |
| 02:38.38 | nz | i found a site |
| 02:39.39 | bipolar | ibot: google for qtopiadesktop |
| 02:40.01 | bipolar | ibot: you suck |
| 02:40.02 | | :( |
| 02:40.11 | _Psycho | ibot: you rule |
| 02:40.11 | | _Psycho: aw, gee |
| 02:40.26 | bipolar | ibot: you rule at sucking |
| 02:40.26 | | bipolar: :) |
| 02:40.31 | bipolar | hahaha |
| 02:40.32 | _Psycho | haha |
| 02:41.39 | _Psycho | ibot: convert 131 cad to USD |
| 02:41.47 | _Psycho | forgot what is it ? |
| 02:42.06 | _Psycho | ibot: convert 131 CAD to USD |
| 02:42.50 | chouimat|tv | ibot change 131 cad to usd |
| 02:43.07 | _Psycho | ah change ! |
| 02:43.08 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 02:43.15 | _Psycho | oups wanted the other way |
| 02:43.25 | _Psycho | ibot: change 131 usd to cad |
| 02:44.24 | nz | heh, i cant find a download link |
| 02:45.06 | _Psycho | ibot: zsi qtopiadesktop |
| 02:45.14 | _Psycho | ibot: zsi qtopia desktop |
| 02:45.32 | Neo|Work | fscking hell tora is hard to install |
| 02:47.20 | chouimat|tv | tora? |
| 02:48.03 | nz | cool |
| 02:48.06 | nz | it's downloading |
| 02:48.09 | nz | i hope this works |
| 02:50.36 | nz | how comes the documents tab doesnt show files as they are stored ??, i.e. if they are on the cf card, under /mp3 y doesnt it show the folder ?? |
| 02:51.29 | treke|home | ibm commercials++ |
| 02:53.07 | bipolar | nz: it's a document centric system, not a file centric system. Hence there are no dir's in the documents tab. |
| 02:53.30 | ljp | haha, I have a copyright in a part of qtopia 1.6 |
| 02:53.52 | nz | ok, i get it now |
| 02:54.24 | ljp | who needs directories anyway?!? |
| 02:54.28 | treke|home | ljp: no you are still a lame hippy |
| 02:54.39 | ljp | I have no long hairs |
| 02:54.53 | treke|home | your not even a good hippy |
| 02:55.12 | ljp | I do wear birkenstock though |
| 03:04.43 | ljp | cheese wiz sandwich |
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| 03:10.20 | nz | i have 2 shell scripts that i would like to add to a custom tab as buttons. how do i do this?? |
| 03:14.44 | dep | kergoth: experimental collie: df doesn't show / |
| 03:15.00 | kergoth | yeah noticed that |
| 03:15.04 | kergoth | busybox bug, i'd say |
| 03:15.30 | nagROM | whats in the experimental rom? |
| 03:15.37 | nagROM | well whats different. |
| 03:15.40 | kergoth | bug fixes from -rc3.1 |
| 03:15.45 | kergoth | wifi card eject hang fixed |
| 03:15.46 | kergoth | etc |
| 03:16.01 | nagROM | wee. |
| 03:16.16 | kergoth | that bug has been a thorn in our side for a while |
| 03:16.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:16.38 | nagROM | hey. would a hard drive work if i connected it through a cf to laptop drive adaptor? |
| 03:16.48 | nagROM | i mean would it work in software? |
| 03:16.52 | kergoth | should, yeah |
| 03:16.59 | kergoth | itd just be a cf/pcmcia ide device |
| 03:17.07 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: watched smallvile? |
| 03:17.11 | nagROM | thats what i figured. |
| 03:17.34 | nagROM | i'm just wondering if the organizer could deal with say a ten gig harddrive. |
| 03:17.40 | kergoth | chouimat|reading: yeah. kyla's hot. |
| 03:18.02 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: exactly my thought .... |
| 03:18.56 | nagROM | hrmm. i would bone that girl. |
| 03:19.02 | dep | doing an ipkg upgrade...it stopped partway through. i've got ipkg spawned [ipkg], but it is in Z state |
| 03:19.15 | chouimat|reading | nagROM: we try to be polite in here |
| 03:19.22 | chouimat|reading | nagROM: URL? |
| 03:19.27 | nagROM | just closed it. |
| 03:20.04 | nagROM | i would like to make sweet love to kyla. |
| 03:20.18 | nagROM | just go to google and search for "smallville kyla" |
| 03:20.28 | nagROM | for me the third one down had a bunch of pictures. |
| 03:23.23 | nagROM | wee. windows longhorn is ugly. |
| 03:25.34 | treke|home | nagROM: get help |
| 03:25.53 | treke|home | chouimat|reading: since when? |
| 03:27.16 | kergoth | chouimat|reading: http://qsfmagazine.com/qsf/images/200103%20images/fashion39.jpg |
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| 03:29.22 | JasonNJ | sup mofos. |
| 03:29.32 | _Psycho | ibot: google for smallville kyla |
| 03:29.55 | kennyj | sure this isn't a sausagefest |
| 03:29.56 | sieve_z | tiny freakin' screen...:) |
| 03:29.58 | kennyj | :) |
| 03:31.22 | nz | what is the default ip address (usb) of the zaurus?? |
| 03:31.53 | kergoth | 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:31.53 | JasonNJ | 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:31.59 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 03:32.09 | JasonNJ | sup homey. |
| 03:32.12 | nz | tnx |
| 03:32.16 | kergoth | sieve_z: how's that image workin for ya? |
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| 03:32.46 | kergoth | oh, apparently the'df doesnt show /' bug in busybox is fixed in recent cvs |
| 03:32.47 | dep | kergoth: are you going to update the experimental images to the 25th? |
| 03:32.48 | kergoth | updating |
| 03:32.51 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:32.56 | kergoth | after i update busybox i'll throw up a new image |
| 03:33.05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: opie has on the fly rotation now :) |
| 03:33.07 | JasonNJ | wow we waxed a lot of bad guys today |
| 03:33.10 | JasonNJ | ooh |
| 03:33.12 | JasonNJ | on the fly? |
| 03:33.18 | kergoth | tap tap, boom, its rotated |
| 03:33.19 | kergoth | no restart |
| 03:33.22 | JasonNJ | wikky |
| 03:33.26 | kergoth | yea |
| 03:33.32 | kergoth | so now we can do the spiffy rotating like the c700 |
| 03:33.39 | JasonNJ | shlick |
| 03:34.37 | sieve_z | kergoth: not tested it yet... fuckin with the one from yesterday still. I'll look at the new immage later tonight when I get back. |
| 03:34.43 | JasonNJ | but the app has to support it right? |
| 03:34.48 | kergoth | sieve_z: no new bugs in that? |
| 03:34.51 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nope. |
| 03:34.55 | JasonNJ | or do you need a little applet on the botton |
| 03:35.12 | kergoth | it was support added to qt itself |
| 03:35.21 | JasonNJ | so how do you rotate? |
| 03:35.24 | kergoth | opie just learned to adjust itself to the event |
| 03:35.27 | kergoth | Settings->Rotation |
| 03:35.31 | sieve_z | yea. couple little things |
| 03:35.36 | kergoth | or hit the rotate item in the startmenu |
| 03:35.40 | kergoth | (new startmenu applet) |
| 03:35.43 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 03:36.23 | sieve | damn it's a bitch in irc on the z. :) |
| 03:36.38 | kergoth | yah |
| 03:36.41 | kergoth | what bugs? |
| 03:36.42 | sieve | not too sure I like opie irc |
| 03:36.51 | kergoth | maybe i can fix em for the next image |
| 03:37.09 | sieve | ok... the stop watch on the clock.. not a big deal but it doesn't seem to work |
| 03:37.29 | sieve | don't know if that's a known issue or not |
| 03:37.52 | kergoth | ljp: you want to look into that? |
| 03:38.04 | ljp | look into what? |
| 03:38.16 | kergoth | 21:37 < sieve> ok... the stop watch on the clock.. not a big deal but it doesn't seem to work |
| 03:38.17 | ljp | the timer? |
| 03:38.20 | sieve | the konq browser-full crashes on slashdot.. probably a java issue |
| 03:38.21 | JasonNJ | dammit, what is with all these penis enlargement emails |
| 03:38.21 | ljp | hehe |
| 03:38.28 | sieve | lol |
| 03:38.29 | JasonNJ | maybe my wife signed me up for em.... |
| 03:38.33 | ljp | JasonNJ: a hint? |
| 03:38.35 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:38.44 | chouimat|reading | JasonNJ: got about 79 of those today |
| 03:38.57 | kergoth | aha |
| 03:39.00 | kergoth | ljp: the stopwatch |
| 03:39.09 | kergoth | ljp: each time you tap start it moves a few seconds forward |
| 03:39.12 | ljp | well, hey.. clock is goofy. wonder what I did to it |
| 03:39.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:39.27 | kennyj | At one point I got the mailer-daemon errors from about 50 of them. Some fucknut used my email as the sender and reply-to address for his penis enlargement spam. >.< |
| 03:39.30 | ljp | I swear it worked when Icommitted last |
| 03:39.57 | ljp | isnt that the way a stopwatch is supposed to work? ;) |
| 03:40.03 | sieve | kergoth: do you want me to just test the base immage or should I grab some proggies as well? |
| 03:40.09 | sieve | lol |
| 03:40.14 | kergoth | up to you |
| 03:40.21 | kergoth | i'll upload a new image in a few.. i'm doing a full rebuild |
| 03:40.29 | sieve | kergoth: ok |
| 03:40.29 | kergoth | i updated the binutils version in our 2.95.3 toolchain |
| 03:40.31 | chouimat|reading | I would prefer to get the Woman service manual that those PEM |
| 03:40.38 | sieve | kergoth: sweet |
| 03:41.02 | chouimat|reading | http://www.mainframe.ca/mainframe/projects/gullivers/index.html |
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| 03:41.19 | kergoth | i was paranoid about the cache |
| 03:41.19 | kergoth | ~/collie$ ccache -C |
| 03:41.20 | kergoth | Cleared cache |
| 03:41.30 | kergoth | this build will take a while :) |
| 03:41.42 | sieve | well... I'm going to the coffee shop and I'll take my z with me so I'll keep pokin at the immage that I have on there now |
| 03:41.46 | sieve | no doubt |
| 03:41.59 | kergoth | later,have fun |
| 03:42.03 | sieve | peace |
| 03:42.16 | nz | heh, i'm having trouble getting this qtopia desktop to work |
| 03:42.38 | chouimat|reading | can this episode finish I can't stand her sight anymore |
| 03:43.00 | nz | the usb ip is 192.168.1.200 |
| 03:43.11 | nz | the pda is ip 192.168.1.201 |
| 03:43.21 | kergoth | can you ping the Z? |
| 03:43.46 | nz | i've tried 192.168.1.200, .201 and 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:44.00 | kergoth | can you ping the Z? |
| 03:44.01 | nz | yep |
| 03:44.09 | kergoth | okay, can you ftp to it, port 4242? |
| 03:44.15 | kergoth | username root, pass rootme |
| 03:44.20 | nz | 1 sec |
| 03:44.27 | kergoth | k |
| 03:45.03 | chouimat|reading | I wonder why I have this imagine in head: a man showing a kid how to tie his shoes |
| 03:45.34 | nz | it says connection closed my remote host |
| 03:45.42 | kergoth | sounds like you didnt run Security and hit ok |
| 03:45.47 | kergoth | Settings->Security |
| 03:46.02 | kergoth | as *cough* outlined in the faq |
| 03:46.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:47.11 | treke|home | what is a faq? |
| 03:47.40 | treke|home | kergoth: when will rc4 be out? |
| 03:47.46 | chouimat|reading | hmmmm X2 seem good ... |
| 03:48.00 | kergoth | very soon at this rate, the bug reports on the current experimental images are minimal |
| 03:48.10 | kergoth | in fact, i may just release 3.2. |
| 03:48.11 | treke|home | kergoth: bah that wasnt the response i expected |
| 03:48.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:49.03 | kergoth | what can i say, the good weather has me more patient than usual |
| 03:49.36 | *** kick/#openembedded [treke|home!~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca] by chouimat|reading (stop the rain dance I can't stand it anymore) |
| 03:49.46 | chouimat|reading | :) |
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| 03:49.47 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:51.33 | nz | tnx kergoth |
| 03:51.48 | kergoth | np |
| 03:51.54 | kergoth | next time hit the faqs first |
| 03:52.07 | nz | where are the faqs |
| 03:52.19 | nz | i only know about this channel |
| 03:52.26 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 03:52.40 | nz | ok |
| 03:52.42 | nz | tnx u |
| 03:53.15 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: sound cool: http://mmlinux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:54.21 | kergoth | chouimat|reading: very cool |
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| 04:05.15 | chouimat|bored | http://www.dccomics.com/directcurrents/comics/june_03/june_03display.html?index=11 |
| 04:06.00 | kergoth | hah |
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| 04:17.59 | james_lan-me | hey all |
| 04:18.01 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:18.42 | treke|home | hmmm i need to add an irc feature to feh |
| 04:18.49 | kergoth | feh? |
| 04:18.59 | treke|home | image viewer I use |
| 04:19.04 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:19.20 | treke|home | I want to make it ignore nicknames when I paste a url :) |
| 04:19.34 | treke|home | so it interprets <treke> http://foo as a proper url |
| 04:19.43 | kergoth | ahh thats why it sounded familiar |
| 04:19.50 | james_lan-me | btw, anyone else have a netgear? I discovered that linksys (as we all knew) and cisco seem to be the only ones that send out beacons all the time (and I didn't ajust it on mine) |
| 04:19.55 | kergoth | thats that evas viewer isnt it? |
| 04:19.59 | james_lan-me | netgear ap |
| 04:20.01 | kergoth | i remember playing with it last time i used e17 |
| 04:20.04 | treke|home | dont think so. uses imlib2 |
| 04:20.11 | treke|home | not evas as far as I know |
| 04:20.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:20.34 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 04:20.35 | treke|home | the nonexistant ui suits me well |
| 04:20.48 | kergoth | just happened to be playing with it while i was using e17 i guess |
| 04:23.05 | kergoth | eh, feh rocks |
| 04:23.54 | james_lan-me | ibot what is feh? |
| 04:23.55 | | james_lan-me: I think you lost me on that one |
| 04:24.00 | kergoth | ibot: feh |
| 04:24.01 | | i haven't a clue, kergoth |
| 04:24.21 | kergoth | ibot: feh is an image viewer at heart, though it does other cool stuff. http://www.linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/ |
| 04:24.22 | | kergoth: okay |
| 04:26.03 | treke|home | kergoth: i'm a big fan of simple uis :) |
| 04:26.50 | kergoth | ibot: lineo is a big fan of unnecessary complexities and convoluted code. |
| 04:26.50 | | ...but lineo is already something else... |
| 04:26.56 | kergoth | ibot: lineo is also a big fan of unnecessary complexities and convoluted code. |
| 04:26.56 | | okay, kergoth |
| 04:27.02 | james_lan-me | heh |
| 04:27.05 | treke|home | ibot lineo? |
| 04:27.06 | | extra, extra, read all about it, lineo is the maker of the Embedix Plus PDA embedded linux operating system found on devices such as the Sharp Zaurus, and can be found at http://www.lineo.com, or a big fan of unnecessary complexities and convoluted code. |
| 04:27.28 | nagROM | hah. |
| 04:28.52 | nagROM | somone should make a zaurus type organizer thats essentially the same form factor as the c700 except make everything upgradable. |
| 04:29.17 | james_lan-me | would be nice! |
| 04:29.30 | treke|home | someone should make a linux based pda thats just like the c700 but is cheaper and doesnt suck as much |
| 04:29.37 | kergoth | yah |
| 04:29.39 | nagROM | hah. |
| 04:29.49 | kergoth | 64mb ram, b500 battery, C stepping xscale |
| 04:29.58 | treke|home | and built in wireless/bt |
| 04:30.01 | kergoth | yea |
| 04:30.07 | nagROM | the battery should just be the entire back of the unit. |
| 04:30.10 | treke|home | oh yeah and a redhead |
| 04:30.12 | james_lan-me | btw, OZ in any form running on c700? |
| 04:30.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:30.15 | kergoth | james_lan-me: yes |
| 04:30.19 | treke|home | that part can suck all it wants |
| 04:30.21 | kergoth | opie has a couple quirks on yet it |
| 04:30.35 | nagROM | wee opie in 640x480 |
| 04:30.59 | kergoth | need to be able to disable launcher background image tiling |
| 04:31.06 | james_lan-me | opie has quirks anywhere (at least when I use it, but then I manage to to find most software's flaws) |
| 04:31.16 | nagROM | is that sharp "wonderscreen" something thats exclusive to sharp or are we going to see it in other companies hardware. |
| 04:31.21 | treke|home | kergoth: what I would like to see is a fixed background |
| 04:31.28 | kergoth | yes, exactly |
| 04:31.37 | kergoth | dont fucking move, dont tile, just SIT THERE |
| 04:31.37 | treke|home | makes soo much more sense |
| 04:31.49 | james_lan-me | kergoth: AGREE! |
| 04:31.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:32.02 | nagROM | kergoth: what i would like to see is a donation thing on the oz website. |
| 04:32.10 | treke|home | once again, the bundled redhead is exempt |
| 04:32.11 | kergoth | there is one |
| 04:32.13 | james_lan-me | the "wonderscreen" is sharp's new tech |
| 04:32.14 | kergoth | its hidden tho |
| 04:32.18 | kergoth | on the credits page |
| 04:32.21 | nagROM | ahh. |
| 04:32.24 | kergoth | you can donate to the oz devs who put entries there |
| 04:32.33 | nagROM | i'll send a little bit of money to somone. |
| 04:32.57 | treke|home | hmmm. preempt kernel seems to be a lost cause |
| 04:33.40 | nagROM | i don't know what the hell to call the screen in the c700 |
| 04:33.56 | treke|home | nagROM: an lcd works |
| 04:34.02 | james_lan-me | and the c700 is the only thing using in production. (it's called system lcd btw, because the lcd has a driver on it itself, and choses which pixels to update and doesn't have to refresh constantly, saving 66%+ power according to stuff I was reading (something like 95% with a static image)) |
| 04:34.09 | nagROM | uhh. i guess that works. |
| 04:34.24 | kergoth | we need to figure out if we can take advantage of the ATI graphics chip in that thing |
| 04:34.37 | treke|home | kergoth: talk to keithp? |
| 04:34.43 | kergoth | nah havent had a chance |
| 04:34.44 | james_lan-me | on what thing? |
| 04:34.45 | treke|home | he has the hookups with ati |
| 04:34.46 | kergoth | mallum has been leading that |
| 04:34.47 | nagROM | james: is it something that other companies are going to be using? |
| 04:34.55 | nagROM | or is it exclusive to sharp? |
| 04:34.56 | kergoth | james_lan-me: c700 |
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| 04:35.17 | james_lan-me | ati graphics chip? |
| 04:35.25 | kergoth | ati imageon |
| 04:35.43 | treke|home | kergoth: from what I've heard, it doesnt work all that well in practice on ce |
| 04:35.49 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:35.59 | kergoth | well, I'd like to get specs and see it for myself :) |
| 04:36.00 | james_lan-me | nagROM: likely going to licence it (google for "system lcd" and you should be able to find stuff about it |
| 04:36.23 | james_lan-me | using the tech, they had a z80 on glass :) as a proof of concept |
| 04:36.31 | kergoth | you can also google for 'CG Silicon" |
| 04:37.26 | nagROM | thanks. |
| 04:37.51 | nagROM | should just slap the whole organizer on glass. |
| 04:38.07 | treke|home | oh well. I want a nap |
| 04:38.17 | nagROM | heh. sleep |
| 04:39.30 | james_lan-me | the c700 has one of the ati imageion chips in it? |
| 04:39.40 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:40.02 | james_lan-me | hadn't heard about it, nifty |
| 04:40.28 | kergoth | fyi the new toolchain is up |
| 04:40.39 | kennyj | toolchain? |
| 04:40.43 | kergoth | identical to the previous 2.95.3, but has newer binutils |
| 04:40.49 | kennyj | ahh |
| 04:40.54 | kergoth | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 04:40.55 | | methinks oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 04:41.00 | nagROM | i am a toolchain. |
| 04:41.40 | kennyj | ouch |
| 04:41.45 | kennyj | that has to hurt |
| 04:42.03 | kennyj | esp. when you think about what "toolchain" could be a euphamism for :) |
| 04:42.16 | nagROM | hah. |
| 04:42.31 | treke|home | a compiler and necessarry utilities for building software? |
| 04:42.53 | nagROM | not a toolchain. |
| 04:44.10 | nagROM | treke: uhh. i can supply a nice jucy slab of meat. |
| 04:44.41 | treke|home | oops. did I say that outloud? |
| 04:45.07 | treke|home | I meant I'd really like a fruit |
| 04:45.46 | nagROM | umm bananna mabey? |
| 04:45.57 | nagROM | man i got confused while spelling bananna. |
| 04:46.11 | nagROM | it just doesn't look right. |
| 04:46.28 | james_lan-me | almost looks like ati is |
| 04:47.13 | nagROM | banana |
| 04:47.19 | nagROM | gotta love dictionary.com |
| 04:47.20 | james_lan-me | making in all in one pda chip via peripherals first (sd/mmc, usb, etc) |
| 04:47.29 | kergoth | ibot: spell bananna |
| 04:47.31 | | possible spellings for bananna: banana bandanna bananas banning Nananne baning bonanza Brianna Janenna bandannas banyan banns banana's Nana |
| 04:47.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:47.40 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 04:47.40 | | thanks, kergoth |
| 04:47.49 | nagROM | hah. |
| 04:48.28 | nagROM | i want to hack the sd port out and graft in another cf. |
| 04:48.46 | nagROM | sd is a waste of time.... well to me it's a waste of time at least. |
| 04:49.07 | nagROM | Note: The banana has a soft, herbaceous stalk, with leaves of great length and breadth |
| 04:49.56 | nagROM | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.17 | nagROM | i don't think these dictionary writers get out of the house too much. |
| 04:50.52 | james_lan-me | might be possible, as it looks (DON'T assume I know this) like it might be possible to add a second cf slot with some soddering (I think the SA supports 2 CF/PCMCIA slots) |
| 04:51.17 | james_lan-me | s/know this/know this by looking at reputable sources/ |
| 04:51.18 | nagROM | well how do they do the dual cf on the ipaq? |
| 04:51.57 | nagROM | isn't it a general rule of thumb that if you can do it on the ipaq you could theoretically do it on the zaurus? |
| 04:52.09 | james_lan-me | yep |
| 04:52.23 | nagROM | ahh. if only i knew how to solder. |
| 04:52.34 | james_lan-me | http://www.davespda.com/resources/processors.htm. (or the google cache of it) |
| 04:54.43 | nagROM | interesting. |
| 04:54.55 | nagROM | i wish i had the know how. |
| 04:55.16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:55.31 | kergoth | i wonder if our fdisk and/or mkfs.vfat bus errors are due to optimizations |
| 04:55.33 | james_lan-me | does the Zaurus use io or the other cf/pcmcia controller for the sd/mmc (from what I know I think io) |
| 04:55.36 | kergoth | should build em without for testing |
| 04:55.38 | nagROM | i certianly have the willingness to hack expensive stuff apart to make it do new stuff. |
| 04:55.45 | james_lan-me | heh |
| 04:55.56 | bipolar | can anyone give me some pointers on debuging a dead touch screen? |
| 04:55.59 | kergoth | sd is completely independent |
| 04:56.07 | kergoth | and its interfaced with via a proprietary sharp chip |
| 04:56.11 | kergoth | "LoCoMo" |
| 04:56.18 | nagROM | just kick sd out of the kernal. |
| 04:56.21 | james_lan-me | thought so |
| 04:56.27 | nagROM | i'll get some bondo and fill the sd slot up. |
| 04:56.36 | bipolar | well, it's not dead... just REALLY messed up |
| 04:56.48 | kergoth | bipolar: messed up how? |
| 04:56.48 | james_lan-me | unfortuantely, some of us have sd cards |
| 04:56.50 | nagROM | bipolar: whats it doing? |
| 04:57.00 | james_lan-me | bipolar: ?? |
| 04:57.01 | nagROM | james: ebay. |
| 04:57.15 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 04:57.17 | bipolar | hahaha |
| 04:57.25 | nagROM | oh jesus. i hate chirping clocks. |
| 04:57.33 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:57.40 | bipolar | the touch screen is flipped over the screen... up is down. |
| 04:57.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:57.53 | james_lan-me | (and like our 128mb (or that-10MB) or so of apps on them. |
| 04:57.54 | kergoth | bipolar: Z or ipaq? |
| 04:58.06 | kergoth | someone reported that behavior.. i never saw it though |
| 04:58.16 | kergoth | are you using tslib or no? |
| 04:58.37 | kergoth | tried recalibrating? |
| 04:58.49 | nagROM | that was my first guess on what to do. |
| 04:59.03 | bipolar | kergoth: Z |
| 04:59.31 | nagROM | kimche is good.. gotta love fermented cabbage. |
| 04:59.31 | bipolar | kergoth: I'm not sure. tslib was built, but I just selected the defaults when I built it |
| 04:59.59 | nagROM | bipolar: go recalibrate the touchscreen. |
| 04:59.59 | kergoth | well make sure your qt wasnt built with tslib support. |
| 05:00.10 | bipolar | nagROM: I've done that. |
| 05:00.14 | james_lan-me | nagROM: just don't have sugar with it |
| 05:00.24 | nagROM | why's that? |
| 05:00.56 | bipolar | kergoth: yep... it's built for tslib :) |
| 05:01.09 | james_lan-me | makes it incredibly bitter and hot (best I can describe it) |
| 05:01.22 | bipolar | kergoth: is tslib useable? |
| 05:01.39 | kergoth | not yet |
| 05:01.41 | kergoth | needs tender loving care |
| 05:01.50 | nagROM | it already is pretty bitter and it's deffinetly fucking hot. |
| 05:02.21 | nagROM | my step mom just dug this batch up after it spent the winter underground. |
| 05:02.49 | james_lan-me | have sugar, it gets worse |
| 05:02.56 | bipolar | kergoth: also, I can't build an image. I've tried over and over but it just keeps dumping the ipks becouse it thinks they are old, then it can't find any of the depends ipks so it basicly makes a blank 14MB image :p |
| 05:03.02 | nagROM | i'll deffintely try it. |
| 05:03.15 | nagROM | what is a good day. |
| 05:03.19 | bipolar | also, I'm still at work... ;p |
| 05:03.41 | nagROM | i'm still at work too. |
| 05:03.48 | kergoth | go home people |
| 05:03.54 | nagROM | hey. i collect unemployment for a living. |
| 05:03.58 | nagROM | i'm always at work. |
| 05:04.18 | Bala | i did that for 8 months.. it was.. umm.. not fun. |
| 05:04.34 | nagROM | i think its great. 900 a month for doing nothing. |
| 05:04.53 | Bala | i only got 724 after taxes :( |
| 05:04.59 | Bala | er 754 |
| 05:05.00 | nagROM | i spent last month in florida and now i'm floating around michigan. |
| 05:05.28 | james_lan-me | uh oh - ad-based isp building a reactor :-P |
| 05:05.38 | Bala | and that was 754$ canadian.. which is like $2.37 or something |
| 05:05.49 | nagROM | england is only 190 dollars right now. |
| 05:05.54 | nagROM | flight that is. |
| 05:06.07 | nagROM | oh mines american. |
| 05:06.26 | nagROM | thats like 5grand in canda. |
| 05:07.03 | nagROM | ¤Ð¤¤¤·¾Æ¤Ã¸®¤¿¤Ã¤·¾Æ·±¤© |
| 05:07.05 | james_lan-me | hey, anyone in europe? more specifically the UK and Germany (I need advice on cell phones) |
| 05:07.23 | kennyj | those things will fry your brain. |
| 05:07.27 | nagROM | can anyone see those charcters? |
| 05:07.28 | kennyj | there. :) |
| 05:07.36 | kennyj | yes |
| 05:07.45 | nagROM | can you read korean? |
| 05:07.50 | kennyj | nope |
| 05:07.55 | kennyj | that's supposed to be korean? |
| 05:08.00 | nagROM | well they are korean chars. |
| 05:08.01 | james_lan-me | haishi ?? tsu ?? tasshi ?? ?? o |
| 05:08.01 | kennyj | it's just junk characters at my end. |
| 05:08.05 | james_lan-me | looks japanese |
| 05:08.09 | nagROM | hell if i know. |
| 05:08.13 | james_lan-me | but I can't read the Kanji |
| 05:08.16 | nagROM | my step mom is korean. |
| 05:08.26 | nagROM | and i'm using windows xp korean edition. |
| 05:08.47 | kennyj | if I had Korean fonts installed, and perhaps if Trillian supported it (I really don't know if it does or not) then I might have seen it in Korean |
| 05:09.09 | nagROM | if you had korean fonts installed then you should ahve seen it in korean. |
| 05:09.18 | nagROM | ¤Ñ¤Ë ¤É¤Å¤¤¤§ ¤Á¤¤ ¤Ñ¤±¤·¤§ ¤À¤© ¤Ð¤±Ã¤¤Ì. |
| 05:09.33 | kergoth | just look like high ascii chars in my irssi in console |
| 05:09.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:09.36 | nagROM | that should have read " my house is made of bacon" |
| 05:09.38 | james_lan-me | korean use the same symbols as Japanese? |
| 05:09.44 | nagROM | sure don't. |
| 05:09.53 | nagROM | they are similar but not the same. |
| 05:10.25 | nagROM | i'm sure they share a bunch of charcters. |
| 05:11.19 | james_lan-me | shows up as kana (or what looks like it) here (and ? ? - uchi in japanese means house) |
| 05:11.38 | james_lan-me | is that pronounced the same in korean? |
| 05:11.46 | nagROM | nope. |
| 05:12.13 | james_lan-me | house in korean is? |
| 05:12.23 | nagROM | i don't know. |
| 05:12.33 | nagROM | i only speak english and pig latin. |
| 05:12.40 | james_lan-me | ok |
| 05:12.44 | nagROM | ½ÃÀÛ is what my start menu says. |
| 05:13.10 | james_lan-me | (I am trying to learn Japanese, in fact I have a test at 7:55 in the morning tommarrow) |
| 05:13.16 | nagROM | Áý |
| 05:13.19 | nagROM | thats house. |
| 05:13.32 | nagROM | i would like to learn thai. |
| 05:13.42 | nagROM | i'm working on finnish right now. |
| 05:14.11 | nagROM | well i started working on finnish 3 days ago to be more exact. |
| 05:14.18 | james_lan-me | look at some of the stuff on ZSI (if you believe the claims of how easy a language is to learn) |
| 05:14.35 | nagROM | yeh i saw that. |
| 05:14.44 | james_lan-me | finnish is supposed to be one of the most difficult languages to learn. |
| 05:14.57 | nagROM | yeh. it's a royal pain in the ass. |
| 05:15.16 | nagROM | you can mash an entire sentence into one big long word. |
| 05:15.48 | nagROM | and there are 15 cases. |
| 05:15.57 | james_lan-me | crap, ipkg being a pita |
| 05:16.18 | kergoth | heh, what else is new |
| 05:16.20 | kergoth | ipkg usually is |
| 05:16.38 | nagROM | being a pita? it's being a flat round piece of bread? |
| 05:16.51 | kergoth | mm pitas |
| 05:16.58 | james_lan-me | and reporting stuff is installed that failed to install (now libmad0 doesn't seem to be there...) |
| 05:17.00 | kergoth | i just realized i forgot to eat dinner |
| 05:17.06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:17.29 | nagROM | drive down to detroit and grab some kimche out of my backyard. |
| 05:17.32 | james_lan-me | PITA is the name of a computer in my house it also stands for Pain In The A$$. |
| 05:17.37 | nagROM | ahh. |
| 05:20.49 | kennyj | tmi nagROM |
| 05:21.00 | kennyj | no |
| 05:21.01 | kennyj | bad |
| 05:21.04 | kennyj | never do that |
| 05:21.38 | kennyj | you will not finish your homework or study. That takes immense willpower and copious amounts of caffiene to do successfully. I've tried that and failed many many times. |
| 05:21.48 | kennyj | do it now. Trust me on this. :) |
| 05:23.19 | james_lan-me | I have a jolt and a 12-pack of Dr. Pepper :) |
| 05:23.31 | kennyj | you'll need expresso. |
| 05:23.38 | kennyj | 2 shots at least. |
| 05:23.41 | kergoth | heh, thats what i was about to say |
| 05:24.04 | kennyj | Jolt and Dew are for people that can't handle the power of the brew. ^_^ |
| 05:24.29 | james_lan-me | not really, just had spring break, and very very little caffene over it (sprite--what you can't be bothered to get something with cah |
| 05:24.32 | kennyj | shit, just get a latte or something. Not much stronger than regular coffee but a decent-sized one will keep you going all day. |
| 05:24.35 | kergoth | speaking of caffinated beverages, i should order some bawls |
| 05:24.37 | james_lan-me | ffene) |
| 05:25.52 | kennyj | or you can do what I do in desperate times: pour yourself a big mug of coffee (biggest one you have) throw in a heap of sugar, no cream... hold your nose, tilt your head back, and drink until you're either finished or at the edge of nausea. |
| 05:26.08 | james_lan-me | Coffee is an aquired taste and one I don't feel like aquiring it. |
| 05:26.12 | kennyj | THAT is how you get going in the morning. |
| 05:26.25 | nagROM | just take a heaping spoonful of curry. |
| 05:26.29 | kennyj | so you drink it now, and mull over the taste later. :) |
| 05:26.33 | kergoth | i dont like coffee by itself. tastes thin.. like in the large spectrum of taste its one small spike |
| 05:26.36 | nagROM | and mix it into ice cream |
| 05:26.37 | james_lan-me | or get diabeties |
| 05:26.40 | kergoth | like a mocha or something |
| 05:27.20 | kennyj | that's an odd way to describe coffee, kergoth. Maybe you're just getting crappy coffee or something. :) |
| 05:27.31 | kergoth | nah, every coffee |
| 05:27.31 | nagROM | curry is stronger than caffine and not addictive. |
| 05:28.00 | kergoth | woo, opie's finaly compiling |
| 05:28.14 | kennyj | kergoth++ |
| 05:28.33 | nagROM | kergoth: how many times have you said that since you started working on oz? |
| 05:28.42 | kergoth | nagROM: hah, lost count |
| 05:29.22 | kergoth | oh, i need to make oz-base add a 'export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH' to .profile at initial /root population time |
| 05:29.41 | nagROM | uhh yeh. that was my thought too. |
| 05:30.22 | sieve | 'lo all |
| 05:30.37 | NAGrom | 'elo sieve. |
| 05:30.46 | kergoth | wb sieve |
| 05:30.58 | kennyj | gah... my speakers are pissing me off |
| 05:31.09 | nagROM | what are they doing? |
| 05:31.14 | kergoth | i need a soundcard |
| 05:31.15 | kennyj | front left speaker on my Klipsch Promedia V2.400's keeps cutting out |
| 05:31.19 | kennyj | might be the cable... |
| 05:31.20 | kergoth | i'm using this shitty onboard via8233 |
| 05:31.50 | kennyj | yeah.. I really need new cables for this system. And a new preamp, too. |
| 05:31.51 | kergoth | uhm |
| 05:32.00 | nagROM | heh. my dad has this sweet altec lansing 6 channel thing. |
| 05:32.00 | kergoth | where did ljp go off to? |
| 05:32.01 | kergoth | storage.cpp:206: no `bool StorageInfo::hasCf()' member function declared in class `StorageInfo' |
| 05:32.04 | kergoth | storage.cpp:216: no `bool StorageInfo::hasSd()' member function declared in class `StorageInfo' |
| 05:32.07 | kergoth | storage.cpp:226: no `bool StorageInfo::hasMmc()' member function declared in class `StorageInfo' |
| 05:32.09 | kennyj | I had to take mine apart and clean out the pots and lubricate them to make it usable again... but it sucks by design. |
| 05:32.10 | kergoth | :\ |
| 05:32.19 | kergoth | he added definitions with no declarations |
| 05:32.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:32.21 | kennyj | the *original* Promedias. Three years old. |
| 05:32.50 | kennyj | at least I got a decent soundcard... |
| 05:33.05 | kennyj | Audigy Platinum ^_^ |
| 05:33.33 | kennyj | Hell, the first Audigy I got was defective - it didn't work right in Windows but worked perfectly in Linux. ^_^ |
| 05:33.40 | nagROM | the stereo is grand but it still sounds like shit because of the computer. |
| 05:34.14 | kennyj | Something was wrong with the MIDI chip I think, since the Audigy apparently controls everything with MIDI events and MIDI on Windows was compeltely borked... worked fine on Linux though. |
| 05:34.29 | kennyj | that, and MIDI support is required if you want to use the remote on linux. |
| 05:34.39 | kennyj | dammit, I'm in a chatty mood now aren't I? |
| 05:34.43 | kennyj | I'll shut up now. |
| 05:34.50 | nagROM | so it didn't work perfectly in linux? |
| 05:34.55 | kennyj | no, it did. |
| 05:34.59 | sieve | kergoth: you making a new immage or do you just want me to grab the newest on the site? |
| 05:35.28 | kennyj | in windows I only got sound out of the front channels. Couldn't get surround sound working and had no remote and no MIDI. |
| 05:35.56 | kergoth | i'm working on it.. opie's compiling |
| 05:36.07 | kennyj | In Linux, everything was perfect once i properly compiled the drivers. The catch was to ignore the warnings that the MIDI portion of the driver might be unstable and enable it anyways, since the remote's signals go over MIDI. |
| 05:36.10 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:36.49 | nagROM | is there a way to change the bootscreen in oz? |
| 05:36.51 | kennyj | Master Ninja Theme Song! I love this shit. :D |
| 05:37.07 | nagROM | master ninja theme song? |
| 05:37.16 | kennyj | umm... just google for it. |
| 05:37.31 | kennyj | it's so pitiful you have to laugh your ass off while listening to it. |
| 05:37.39 | kennyj | something the MST3000 guys did. |
| 05:37.55 | Bala | URL? |
| 05:38.07 | kennyj | I'm too lazy. Try Google. |
| 05:38.19 | kennyj | or your filesharing app of choice. |
| 05:38.31 | kennyj | I downloaded it some time ago, I'm going through old shit on my winamp playlist. |
| 05:38.48 | nagROM | i love the non computer users view on hackers. |
| 05:39.11 | kennyj | the best is in multiplayer game chats.. DiabloII is a great example. |
| 05:39.36 | kennyj | everyone is constantly bitching about "hackers" that trick them into dropping their items or downloading trojans. |
| 05:39.55 | kennyj | Then again, they're all dumb fucks, so oh well. |
| 05:41.12 | kennyj | "first you load up your inventory with cheap potions, then you go outside of town and let me kill you. While you rez and come back for your corpse, I'll be dropping worthless items on it so that after you accidentally pick one up, I can kill you again and make your items drop. |
| 05:42.11 | Bala | heh |
| 05:42.33 | nagROM | my dad thinks i'm giving you the computer address and you are going to hack into his computer and show my half brothers a bunch of porn. |
| 05:43.18 | kennyj | lmao |
| 05:43.27 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:44.13 | nagROM | i'm trying to explain to him otherwise and he keep citing that fact that i'm talking to you guys and that now you have the computer "address". |
| 05:44.20 | kennyj | no, I'll just net send their crappy windoze box with messages to the effect that I can somehow see them through the monitor and I'm coming to steal their candy. n.n |
| 05:44.37 | nagROM | not any particular type of address. just address in general. |
| 05:45.10 | Davv | For OZ, does tslib-* packages cause the touchscreen to not work properly? Can I get a confirmation? |
| 05:45.19 | Davv | In unstable... |
| 05:45.25 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:45.36 | kergoth | tslib shouldnt be required for operation |
| 05:45.40 | nagROM | keep in mind he also still thinks you can get aids from a toilet seat |
| 05:45.42 | kergoth | if it is, then i need to bitchslap bipolar_away |
| 05:45.55 | kennyj | LMAO nagROM |
| 05:46.34 | nagROM | yeh. he's an idiot, classic, tried and true idiot. |
| 05:46.52 | Davv | I updated KonqE that updated tslib-* and now the touchscreen does not correspond to the proper location on screen. I did a recalibrate, but still same issue. |
| 05:47.28 | dep | updating something from unstable (while using experimental) causes ts not to work...i suspect libqt2-emb |
| 05:47.48 | Davv | dep: oh... lemme try that approach. |
| 05:47.57 | Davv | dep: That might be what it is. |
| 05:48.15 | dep | i think that's what causes it to break..don't know how to fix it |
| 05:48.41 | kennyj | anybody know why Vectoroids won't start from the desktop icon in Opie, but works from the console anyway? |
| 05:48.46 | dep | you could wait a bit for kergoth to get a new image up |
| 05:49.03 | Davv | dep: yep, now I remember libqt2-emb was updated by a minor revision. I'll have to see what I can do. Ok.. thank you. |
| 05:49.37 | Davv | dep: I'll work on my Linux boxes the next couple of days, that should keep my occupied for a while. ;) |
| 05:50.30 | dep | davv: only reason i know is that i'm on about my 4th flash after doing experimental and then upgrading from unstable |
| 05:50.47 | kergoth | dont mess with unstable |
| 05:51.19 | kergoth | looks like qt built with tslib leaked into unstable |
| 05:51.29 | kergoth | i'll update it shortly when opie finishes building |
| 05:55.17 | nagROM | speak japanese is Stocked with a total of 600 phrases / words / Sound clips. |
| 05:55.55 | nagROM | could you communicate with people based on 600 words/phrases? |
| 05:57.12 | kennyj | nah, but it'll get you going long enough for them to make the "pro" version that costs "money" :p |
| 05:57.47 | nagROM | hah. |
| 06:09.50 | nagROM | goodnight. |
| 06:45.50 | bipolar_nothere | kergoth`bbiab: building the feed for 03/26/03 now. The default config does have tslib turned on for some reason, but I changed it for this build. I should be able to upload it later this morning. |
| 06:46.38 | kergoth`bbiab | bipolar_nothere: ahh great, thanks |
| 06:48.17 | kergoth`bbiab | bipolar_nothere: what version of qt is in the current feed? |
| 06:48.33 | bipolar_nothere | kergoth`bbiab: a fucked up one.... :-) let me check |
| 06:48.37 | kergoth`bbiab | bipolar_nothere: if you have to, increment Revision in the qt makefile so users see the upgrade |
| 06:50.53 | bipolar_nothere | kergoth`bbiab: ok |
| 06:54.46 | sieve | kergoth`bbiab: I just got the buildroot-oz and noticed that kernel-webpal was in there. Who's working on that? |
| 06:55.22 | kergoth`bbiab | sieve: kenb maintains the oz/oe webpal support |
| 06:55.39 | sieve | sweet |
| 06:56.25 | sieve | kergoth`bbiab: do you know how far he's gottan with it? |
| 06:56.47 | sieve | gottan? wtf? |
| 06:57.13 | kergoth`bbiab | dont know offhand, i dont have a webpal yet |
| 06:57.15 | kergoth`bbiab | ibot: seen kenb |
| 06:57.15 | | kenb is currently on #openembedded |
| 07:00.02 | sieve | you know prpplague would probably send you one if you wanted.. I think he ordered like 100 or so of the little buggers. I'm supposed to work with him on figuring out out what to do with all the little bastards. I've got one built... sort of... got a kernel on it anywho.. I was thinking of maybe sticking picogui on it. |
| 07:01.47 | sieve | kergoth`bbiab: well.. I'm going to crash. /msg me if you get that new immage up and I'll grab it before I go into work. |
| 07:02.22 | kergoth`bbiab | alright, night |
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| 07:37.22 | lsmith | hmm how inconvinient |
| 07:37.39 | lsmith | touchscreen does not react to input anymore |
| 07:37.57 | lsmith | and even though i can login via ssh it idles endlessly before ever reaching the shell |
| 07:40.20 | lsmith | hmm i can login with another user and then su however |
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| 07:52.30 | Daagaak | hi, is there any way to fix the broken irda on OZ 3.1-rc3.1?? |
| 07:52.44 | lsmith | yes disable audio or usb iirc |
| 07:52.58 | Daagaak | disable as in reomve moudles? |
| 07:53.23 | lsmith | no just stop them |
| 07:53.34 | lsmith | you can then restart them after finishing with irda |
| 07:53.39 | Daagaak | ? stop them. from where? |
| 07:53.53 | lsmith | stop the process |
| 07:53.58 | lsmith | i havent done it myself yet .. |
| 07:54.07 | lsmith | someone said mabe from systeminfo |
| 07:54.10 | lsmith | not sure though |
| 07:54.13 | Daagaak | right, ill try it |
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| 07:54.24 | lsmith | there are a few process you have to stop |
| 07:54.30 | lsmith | i dont know which ones |
| 07:54.35 | lsmith | maybe you can search the mailinglist |
| 07:54.44 | lsmith | someone might have listed them there |
| 07:55.33 | Daagaak | saerching for irda on teh SF mailinglists came up blank |
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| 07:56.49 | lsmith | well gotta run |
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| 08:23.37 | elron | hello |
| 08:23.41 | C1qrk3 | hi |
| 08:23.55 | elron | well |
| 08:23.58 | elron | I trashed my OPIE |
| 08:24.17 | elron | is there any boot key shortcut to bypass the opie run script ? |
| 08:34.09 | HCl | sshd gets started before opie |
| 08:34.18 | HCl | hook it up to cradle and ssh in.. |
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| 08:52.11 | Twiun | mornin |
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| 08:54.49 | elron | well |
| 08:55.06 | elron | can the network auto-configure when opie has not started ? |
| 08:58.02 | elron | oh |
| 08:58.03 | elron | it did |
| 08:58.05 | elron | this is fine :) |
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| 09:19.11 | HCl | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 09:19.16 | | it has been said that oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 09:19.24 | HCl | ibot oz snapshot |
| 09:19.25 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 09:20.00 | elron | hmm |
| 09:20.14 | elron | are the default packages in OZ from the « stable » or « testing » release branch ? |
| 09:20.32 | HCl | what..? |
| 09:20.43 | elron | well |
| 09:20.46 | elron | in openzaurus |
| 09:20.53 | elron | there are a number of default package sinstalled |
| 09:21.01 | HCl | yes |
| 09:21.06 | elron | and there are on the internet several package repositories, like debian |
| 09:21.22 | HCl | it depends on which rom you chose when you downloaded oz |
| 09:21.29 | elron | oh |
| 09:21.32 | elron | that is a smart answer |
| 09:21.38 | elron | I should have thought of it |
| 09:22.44 | elron | thank you |
| 09:23.54 | HCl | grin |
| 09:23.57 | HCl | np |
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| 11:26.01 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 11:26.05 | Dessimat0r | look at this idiot - Zynergy is a highly customized ROM image based on Sharp's 2.38 ROM. The idea was to combine the best parts of the Sharp and Opie ROM, thereby creating something (in my opinion) better than both. |
| 11:26.19 | Dessimat0r | I didn't know there was an OPIE rom... |
| 11:27.35 | scanline | it's in Opie's CVS :) |
| 11:28.24 | Dessimat0r | ah ;) I stand corrected |
| 11:28.33 | scanline | you betcha! |
| 11:28.37 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 11:29.30 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 11:29.53 | Dessimat0r | I'm waiting for a laser printer atm, but the bastards haven't come yet, and I need to get to college soon |
| 11:29.54 | Dessimat0r | argh! |
| 11:30.09 | scanline | heh, college... |
| 11:30.23 | Dessimat0r | me too |
| 11:30.24 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 11:30.35 | Dessimat0r | Got tons of computing documentation to do |
| 11:30.42 | Dessimat0r | but i can't be arsed to do it |
| 11:31.02 | scanline | I've been a real slacker this year, because I just haven't cared enough... |
| 11:31.07 | Dessimat0r | yeah, me too |
| 11:31.17 | scanline | I'm really tempted to just give up and try to find a job |
| 11:31.36 | scanline | I'm the type of person that can learn things very quickly when he needs to, and gets bored silly in the classroom |
| 11:31.42 | Dessimat0r | ah] |
| 11:32.13 | scanline | will need at least some kind of internship to pay the rent next semester... |
| 11:32.37 | scanline | I was getting paid really well for some consulting with RidgeRun last year, but they went under :( |
| 11:36.04 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 11:36.19 | Dessimat0r | suckage |
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| 11:51.25 | ccamp | ugh |
| 11:55.28 | Dessimat0r | ? |
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| 13:52.59 | elron | hello |
| 13:53.13 | elron | I have problems beaming contacts with palms |
| 13:53.17 | tassian | I have a short question: I have a 512 CF card in my Zaurus (OZ 3.1rc3.1) and I always had crashes when copying 256MB (one large file) to the CF-card via scp. This could be cured by doing "mount -o remount,sync /mnt/cf" is this a known issue? |
| 13:53.42 | tassian | I thought I read something like that on the users-list. |
| 13:53.51 | elron | tassian: I guess you have a cache size problem |
| 13:54.13 | tassian | elron: do you have a hint for me how to fix this? |
| 13:57.27 | elron | tassian: why not editing your /etc/fstab and add "sync" to the mount flags ? |
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| 14:10.06 | tassian | elron: I guess you're right. Unfortunately the "sync" on the one hand works (no crashes) but for some strange reason, after 232MB, the Z complains that the CF is full though "df" and "du" show that more than half of the space is still left. I will have to look into this a little further, I believe. |
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| 14:14.00 | icefox | is saying "It sucks less" suppost to be a positive thing? |
| 14:14.01 | icefox | :0) |
| 14:14.33 | jima | yes |
| 14:14.35 | mickeyl | actually it is - because it is an honest expression. |
| 14:15.07 | jima | a lot more honest than claiming to be revolutionizing the computing industry while infuriating your customer base. |
| 14:15.34 | jima | wait, did that come off as cynical? |
| 14:16.53 | icefox | hehe |
| 14:17.22 | jima | i hope so, because it was meant to be. :) |
| 14:18.53 | icefox | hmm what is the correct way of writing "&" in html %30 or somthing.... |
| 14:19.06 | yeiaway | & |
| 14:20.48 | icefox | thanks |
| 14:23.35 | bipolar | grrrrr |
| 14:24.23 | troffasky | what ever happened to ipv5? |
| 14:25.25 | jima | actually, i think ipv5 was used for developing ipv6 |
| 14:25.47 | jima | kind of like the way linux kernels are developed |
| 14:25.58 | jima | i.e. 2.3 -> 2.4, etc |
| 14:30.34 | icefox | hmmm how do you write AS&E (all one word?) writing AS&E doesn't work |
| 14:31.52 | icefox | AS&E |
| 14:32.15 | jima | & |
| 14:32.20 | jima | you need the semicolon |
| 14:32.39 | jima | wait. why do i know that? i'm not in web design... |
| 14:36.20 | icefox | :) |
| 14:36.29 | icefox | no one really is |
| 14:36.47 | jima | (admittedly, i do support several web designers, including my xgf...) |
| 14:37.37 | jima | hmm. i wonder why this ipv6 link isn't working. |
| 14:38.55 | jima | ah, there we go |
| 14:41.04 | jima | i can't wait to try ipv6 on my zaurus :) |
| 14:47.38 | elron | yeeks |
| 14:48.04 | jima | yes? |
| 14:48.06 | elron | the vCard data sent by the palm V by irDA has invalid data in it |
| 14:48.18 | elron | lines terminating with \\\n |
| 14:48.31 | elron | opie-addressbook does not understand these |
| 14:49.01 | jima | hmm |
| 14:49.09 | elron | besides |
| 14:49.15 | elron | whenever I send one of my contacts to a palm |
| 14:49.18 | elron | the palm crashes |
| 14:49.19 | jima | that doesn't look good. :( |
| 14:49.20 | elron | and reboots |
| 14:49.26 | jima | oops |
| 14:49.42 | jima | gonna publish that dos vulnerability? :) |
| 14:49.46 | elron | well |
| 14:49.52 | elron | I think I have located the bug |
| 14:50.08 | elron | the addressbooks sends the directory name together with the vcf file name to the palm |
| 14:50.18 | elron | which obviously won't work on a palm |
| 14:52.26 | elron | In fact |
| 14:52.34 | elron | I am ready to tweak whatever source code is involved |
| 14:52.48 | elron | however I have no clue of which part of opie is processing vcard contents |
| 14:54.19 | elron | any clue ? |
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| 14:57.53 | tassian | jima: I think ipv6 should work on the zaurus. Though the busybox binary doesn't "speak" it yet (e.g. ifconfig). :-) |
| 15:02.15 | jima | oh, dang |
| 15:02.29 | jima | oh well, atm i don't even have a network interface, so... |
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| 15:12.22 | sieve | 'lo all |
| 15:14.15 | tassian | jima: I've been playing with IPv6 as well and after a "modprobe ipv6" you can actually see that the Z gets a link-local IPv6-address. :-) |
| 15:14.24 | tassian | (You have to dig a little in /proc.) |
| 15:14.59 | nz | what does it mean when opie-remote says cant connect to socket |
| 15:15.32 | jima | tassian: nice :) |
| 15:15.44 | jima | nz, i'd guess that something else is using the ir? |
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| 15:15.58 | jima | or the socket doesn't exist. hmm. |
| 15:16.05 | elron | nz: you should start lircd |
| 15:16.14 | elron | it is not started automatically |
| 15:16.18 | nz | cant be used, cos i just turned the ir on |
| 15:16.21 | nz | ok |
| 15:16.40 | tassian | Has anyone of you bought an MMC yet to be able to use it when the new kernel comes? |
| 15:16.47 | nz | "/etc/init.d/lircd start" <-- like that ?? |
| 15:16.58 | elron | nz: no, it does not have a start script |
| 15:17.12 | elron | enter "lircd" on the command line by itself |
| 15:17.16 | nz | ok |
| 15:17.22 | elron | it should complain once about an inexistant config file |
| 15:17.33 | elron | but it is not fatal |
| 15:17.43 | nz | ok |
| 15:17.48 | elron | anyone could tell me how to export contact entries to vcards ? |
| 15:18.28 | nz | beam them |
| 15:19.07 | elron | well |
| 15:19.20 | elron | I want to view the vcards on my own Z |
| 15:19.55 | nz | no idea then |
| 15:20.10 | treke|home | tassian: A decision hasnt been made on using a new kernel or not |
| 15:22.17 | nz | heh, opie-remote doesnt open after i start lircd |
| 15:22.28 | nz | it just shows the hour glass and then doesnt open |
| 15:23.23 | tassian | treke|home: I'm wondering if there isn't a way to force the loading of the sd module under the new kernel -- though I suppose that is an evil hack... |
| 15:23.39 | treke|home | tassian: no there isnt |
| 15:24.05 | treke|home | as I said though. kergoth hasnt decided whether or not he will use the new kernel yet |
| 15:24.36 | tassian | I suppose that it's a painful decision... :-( |
| 15:25.59 | nz | 07-[14 elron 07]- 15have you come across that error?? |
| 15:28.00 | tassian | treke|home: I'm wondering if there isn't a way to get Sharp to compile the SD-module for the new kernel that will be used for OZ. Something like a user-petition, maybe... If one could convince them that doing this service for the community will help them selling their hardware, that might work. |
| 15:28.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:28.33 | tassian | chouimat: good afternoon. ;-) |
| 15:28.44 | treke|home | tassian: Sharp isnt interested in forward porting the module. |
| 15:29.19 | tassian | treke|home: ok, I understand. That's unfortunate. :-( |
| 15:29.34 | treke|home | someone at Lineo was going to do it, but management at lineo has changed |
| 15:29.51 | tassian | Argh... |
| 15:29.56 | nz | heh |
| 15:30.06 | nz | my z doesnt want to boot |
| 15:30.31 | tassian | nz: Does it have a reason to be mad at you? ;-) |
| 15:30.41 | nz | no idea |
| 15:30.49 | nz | i just told it 2 softboot |
| 15:31.01 | jima | what does it want to do have to do with anything? >:) |
| 15:31.50 | tassian | nz: Do you have an SD-/MMC-card with ext2? Does it boot if you remove it? |
| 15:32.06 | nz | i have a fat cf card |
| 15:32.45 | nz | it was working good a minute ago |
| 15:32.47 | nz | lol |
| 15:33.06 | tassian | Hm, strange. |
| 15:33.16 | nz | its just hanging with the pingu logo and flashing cursor |
| 15:33.27 | nz | time to reflash i think |
| 15:34.51 | tassian | Have you tried switching to "Replace Battery" for a few seconds and then switching back and rebooting? |
| 15:35.02 | nz | yeah |
| 15:35.10 | tassian | Hm. |
| 15:36.20 | nz | i even tried doing a full reset |
| 15:36.52 | nz | i must of hurt the bottup files somehow |
| 15:36.57 | nz | boot* |
| 15:37.25 | tassian | nz: Or your root-fs went cablewy. |
| 15:37.47 | nz | i guess |
| 15:37.51 | nz | is there a way to fix that ?? |
| 15:37.56 | nz | other than flashing |
| 15:38.45 | elron | nz: I cannot use opie-remote because I have irda disabled |
| 15:39.37 | nz | ok |
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| 15:46.14 | nz | can anyone help me to make my own tabs/buttons ?? |
| 15:53.37 | nz | is there a way to backup my working z into a rom image ?? |
| 15:53.57 | nz | that i can use to flash the z ?? |
| 15:54.32 | kergoth | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 bs=1024 of=/mnt/cf/myinitrd.bin |
| 15:54.35 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:55.04 | nz | cool |
| 15:55.09 | nz | thanks |
| 15:55.24 | nz | that will back up the rom+ram ?? |
| 15:55.47 | kergoth | no, mtdblock4 is flash |
| 15:55.53 | kergoth | mtdblock6 is the persistant ramdisk |
| 15:56.24 | nz | so i have to make 2 images ?? |
| 15:56.59 | kergoth | you dont flash ram. |
| 15:57.01 | kergoth | of course |
| 15:57.03 | kergoth | they're seperate |
| 15:57.10 | nz | oh yeah |
| 16:00.35 | bipolar | kergoth: yo |
| 16:01.05 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:01.14 | kergoth | testing the current experimental image now |
| 16:01.38 | bipolar | kergoth: i've got a fix for the mplayer makefile patch |
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| 16:02.44 | kergoth | email it over |
| 16:02.56 | bipolar | kergoth: ok |
| 16:14.38 | bipolar | kergoth: email sent |
| 16:15.11 | kergoth | k |
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| 16:17.33 | treke | mornin |
| 16:17.49 | pb_ | hi treke |
| 16:18.42 | bipolar | treke: yo |
| 16:19.14 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 16:19.59 | treke | kergoth: you know opie is being built against head again, right? |
| 16:20.06 | bipolar | hmm... gcc for target won't build either...heh |
| 16:20.28 | kergoth | er is it? k |
| 16:20.30 | kergoth | bipolar: it never has |
| 16:20.37 | bipolar | kergoth: heh |
| 16:20.40 | treke | kergoth: hehe, yeah :) |
| 16:26.36 | nz | kergoth, the rom i make with dd, will work with the kimage file right ?? |
| 16:27.57 | treke | ~lart ljp for breaking opie |
| 16:28.23 | bipolar | kergoth: the wget for unison's deb needs to be set to --passive-ftp |
| 16:29.51 | kergoth | treke: ? |
| 16:29.59 | kergoth | treke: it compiles, but you need a fix from me for the opie makefile |
| 16:30.04 | kergoth | i'll sync with bk in a second heere |
| 16:30.22 | treke | kergoth: you sure? looks like opie had broken storage.(h|cpp) |
| 16:30.40 | kergoth | yes i'm sure |
| 16:30.42 | kergoth | look at the compile line |
| 16:30.44 | treke | ok |
| 16:30.46 | kergoth | staging/include is before opie/include |
| 16:30.50 | kergoth | its pulling our previous opie storage.h! |
| 16:30.51 | treke | ah |
| 16:30.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:32.50 | lsmith | kergoth: ok my problem from yesterday persists .. its seem the touch screen is simply not working .. i can navigate with the buttons |
| 16:32.55 | kergoth | yes, i know. |
| 16:32.55 | lsmith | i will check the bug db now |
| 16:33.00 | kergoth | dotn bother |
| 16:33.04 | kergoth | a fucked up qt got into unstable |
| 16:33.13 | kergoth | bipolar: have you updated yet? we have a number of people on the hosed qt |
| 16:33.16 | lsmith | ah :-) |
| 16:33.43 | lsmith | then i was atleast not talking total shite yesterday :-) |
| 16:33.57 | kergoth`bbl | yep, wasnt your fault |
| 16:35.00 | pb_ | enjoy |
| 16:37.43 | bipolar | kergoth`bbl: I left it to build overnight, and I woke to lots of build errors which i'm fudging through now. |
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| 16:48.44 | bipolar | woah... what a ride... :p |
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| 17:08.00 | jima | backup only works to ext2-formatted cf on stable? |
| 17:09.44 | treke | ~lart slow upstream dsl lines |
| 17:13.21 | kergoth | treke: k my tree is synced with bkbits |
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| 17:21.47 | tassian | Does anyone here have experiences with opie-mediaplayer2? |
| 17:22.58 | treke | no. none of us in here have ever used opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 17:23.08 | tassian | ;-) |
| 17:23.10 | treke | we hadnt even heard of it until you brought it up |
| 17:23.29 | tassian | Don't kid me, I just have a question about MPEG4-playback. :-) |
| 17:23.42 | bipolar | NOTICE: The new unstable feed is now online |
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| 17:24.27 | Dessimat0r | lo again ;) |
| 17:24.30 | tassian | I have a 320x136 MPEG4-avi with mp3-sound. It works smoothly but fastforward or backward doesn't work. |
| 17:24.32 | bipolar | Dessimat0r: hiya |
| 17:24.53 | Dessimat0r | ibot seen AndyQ |
| 17:24.53 | | andyq <~AndyQ@pc-62-31-42-4-hy.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 8d 17h 36m 48s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
| 17:24.53 | tassian | The file itself is about 260 MB big. |
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| 17:25.04 | Dessimat0r | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 17:25.04 | | onyx4 <onyx4@adsl-63-194-216-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 49d 20h 24m 49s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 17:25.05 | HCl | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 17:25.07 | | from memory, oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 17:25.07 | bipolar | Harlekin: 'lo |
| 17:25.15 | Dessimat0r | :/ |
| 17:25.18 | Harlekin | hi bipolar |
| 17:26.18 | tassian | Harlekin: tnx again for your advice concering encoding MPEG4! I got my Matrix-DVD into a 260MB avi and it works really nice. :-) |
| 17:26.33 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:26.47 | Harlekin | now by an battery extender .-) |
| 17:27.07 | tassian | Harlekin: Strangely enough, fast forwarding doesn't work. When I move the slider, it doesn't skip. (battery-extender: yeah, I'm afraid so. :-) ) |
| 17:27.47 | tassian | Harlekin: The AVI-index is not broken either (verified that). |
| 17:27.57 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 17:28.12 | Harlekin | tassian: does it move along while playing? |
| 17:28.30 | HCl | grin... |
| 17:28.55 | Harlekin | sure it if |
| 17:29.01 | HCl | nice =] |
| 17:29.02 | Harlekin | if you do it right its absolutly fluent |
| 17:29.39 | tassian | I don't think it does. What I did was to md5sum the file that I checked on the desktop (no broken index) and md5summed it again on the CF-card. It's identical. So I suspect there's maybe a problem with the OP2 build that comes with OZ 3.1rc3.1. |
| 17:29.46 | HCl | does anybody have any experience setting up an opie crosscompile thing? i need to cross develop/compile a program for the zaurus |
| 17:30.05 | tassian | (I don't think it does <= slider doesn't move) |
| 17:30.12 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 17:30.31 | Harlekin | xine maybe |
| 17:30.41 | treke | kergoth: you ever going to post that email flame? :) |
| 17:32.01 | tassian | Harlekin: hm, could be. But at least I now I have a new way of annoying my wife when I bring the Zaurus to bed to watch a movie. ;-) |
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| 17:32.21 | Harlekin | tassian: stream it .-) |
| 17:33.36 | tassian | Harlekin: BTW: just checked again with md5sum, hashes are indeed the same. Oh well... |
| 17:34.26 | tassian | Harlekin: Do you use opie on the ipaq? |
| 17:34.35 | Harlekin | yes |
| 17:39.49 | HCl | hmm |
| 17:39.55 | HCl | buildroot is once again broken x.x |
| 17:40.21 | HCl | configure: error: GNU libc must be compiled using GNU CC |
| 17:40.21 | HCl | make[1]: *** [/tmp/buildroot-exported/stamps/.glibc.binary] Error 1 |
| 17:41.35 | HCl | anyone? |
| 17:42.50 | kergoth | huh? |
| 17:42.55 | kergoth | thats your problem, not buildroot's. |
| 17:43.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:43.02 | HCl | hmm |
| 17:43.10 | kergoth | or its an ancient buildroot |
| 17:43.22 | HCl | nope.. |
| 17:43.24 | kergoth | does /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc exist? |
| 17:43.25 | HCl | latest snapshot.. |
| 17:43.48 | kergoth | HCl: that doesnt mean the snapshot is up to date. scanline, is your cron job updating the export prior to tar and push? |
| 17:43.57 | HCl | hmm.. nop.. had the contents of the 2.95.3 dir in /usr/local/arm |
| 17:44.21 | kergoth | eh? |
| 17:44.24 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:44.28 | kergoth | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 17:44.28 | | rumour has it, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 17:44.29 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 17:44.36 | HCl | heh ^^ |
| 17:44.52 | HCl | k, better ^^ |
| 17:45.25 | treke | hehe, probably ought to have noda take down the snapshot link :) |
| 17:45.39 | killefiz_ | kergoth: is the "experimental" image built with the openembedded buildroot? |
| 17:45.45 | kergoth | killefiz_: yes. |
| 17:45.54 | killefiz_ | and does it boot? |
| 17:45.56 | kergoth | experimental is just an image built from our buildsystem as of then |
| 17:46.09 | kergoth | not only does it boot, it fixes every major bug in rc3.1, and i have zero reports of new bugs. |
| 17:46.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:46.17 | HCl | ohh o.o |
| 17:46.26 | HCl | that sounds like its worth a try |
| 17:46.34 | kergoth | i'm about to upload a new one actually |
| 17:46.41 | killefiz_ | ok - i'll do a bk clone of it then and will try to understand what it does - with the long term goal of adding the simpad as another target |
| 17:47.08 | kergoth | bipolar: switch to the new toolchain. |
| 17:47.27 | kergoth | bipolar: and wipe and rebuild everything next time you do an update (not now.. but whenever you decide to update it again) |
| 17:47.30 | treke | new toolchain? |
| 17:47.32 | nz | i know i've asked this b4, but is it possible for me to make my own tabs and buttons ?? |
| 17:47.40 | kergoth | same as old but with newer binutils |
| 17:47.45 | kergoth | nz: tabs you can manipulate via opie-tabmanager |
| 17:47.54 | kergoth | icons are text files, fthe format is documented |
| 17:47.57 | treke | kergoth: 2.95 or 3.2? |
| 17:47.59 | kergoth | er contorlled by text files |
| 17:48.02 | kergoth | treke: 2.95.3 |
| 17:48.08 | nz | tnx |
| 17:48.09 | kergoth | treke: its just hte existing 2.95.3 + newer binutils |
| 17:48.32 | treke | too close to a booting image to start over again :) |
| 17:48.35 | kergoth | i added a readme to the toolchain dir as well, outlining what versions of things were used |
| 17:49.05 | HCl | tabmanager... aha |
| 17:49.06 | nz | opie-keytabs is that the tab manager ?? |
| 17:49.09 | kergoth | no. |
| 17:49.13 | kergoth | i said tabmanager. |
| 17:49.22 | killefiz_ | Which toolchain should I use, the latest? |
| 17:49.33 | kergoth | latest 2.95.3 |
| 17:49.35 | kergoth | oz-1.1 |
| 17:57.32 | elron | hmm |
| 17:57.57 | elron | how long before 3.1-final ? |
| 17:58.01 | elron | -approx) |
| 17:58.11 | kergoth | when its done |
| 17:58.15 | elron | well |
| 17:58.20 | elron | in fact Id like to contribute |
| 17:58.30 | elron | I have two major problems down here I'd like to solve |
| 17:58.32 | kergoth | grab the buildroot and start hacking |
| 17:58.33 | elron | at least for myself |
| 17:58.35 | elron | ok |
| 17:58.36 | kergoth | what problems/ |
| 17:58.44 | elron | well |
| 17:58.54 | elron | beaming to/from a palm craashes either the Z or the palm |
| 17:58.58 | elron | (addressbook) |
| 17:59.11 | kergoth | what oz ver? |
| 17:59.24 | elron | and keyboard configureation is messed up when opie doesn't spawn |
| 17:59.30 | elron | 3.1rc2 |
| 17:59.37 | kergoth | no, the latter is fixed already |
| 17:59.50 | kergoth | I added a SIGSEGV handler which puts the keyboard back into XLATE mode on segfault |
| 17:59.59 | kergoth | so when opie crashes you can login at console |
| 18:00.03 | elron | this is fine |
| 18:00.07 | kergoth | the beaming problem, /join #opie and talk to harlekin |
| 18:00.15 | elron | I'll try this |
| 18:00.17 | kergoth | he's going to be doing work on that shortly |
| 18:00.35 | elron | ok |
| 18:00.39 | elron | anyway |
| 18:00.47 | elron | I have downloaded the bitkeeper repository |
| 18:01.04 | kergoth | the buildroot or oe? |
| 18:01.07 | elron | is there any roadmap for the first steps ? |
| 18:01.09 | kergoth | buildroot is where the current work is done |
| 18:01.09 | elron | buildroot |
| 18:01.11 | elron | and oe |
| 18:01.13 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 18:01.14 | | rumour has it, oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 18:01.14 | elron | separately |
| 18:01.15 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 18:01.29 | kergoth | that'll get you a collie build which includes opie |
| 18:01.39 | kergoth | then you can hack on it |
| 18:01.49 | kergoth | collie = 5000d/5500 |
| 18:02.05 | elron | nice |
| 18:05.03 | HCl | eeeep |
| 18:05.47 | nz | hmmz, the exec line in tab manager, can you run normal commands from there ?? |
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| 18:11.14 | ljp_work | shhobie doo waahh |
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| 18:38.33 | icefox | Moooo |
| 18:39.17 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 18:39.44 | elron | now |
| 18:39.49 | Harlekin | moin ben |
| 18:39.58 | elron | I can see that the kernel used in oz is 2.4.6 |
| 18:40.11 | elron | apart from sd/mmc problems, why not 2.4.19 or 2.4.20 ? |
| 18:40.55 | kergoth | because nobody ported it forward to 2.4.19 until we did. |
| 18:41.00 | kergoth | with substantial effort |
| 18:41.09 | elron | I see. |
| 18:41.10 | kergoth | including rewriting half the drivers |
| 18:42.00 | chouimat|lunch | huh? a perfume named after Celine Dion? you're as ugly as her now you can smell like her |
| 18:42.09 | elron | and was this substantial effort concentrated on porting it or are there any enhancements ? |
| 18:42.16 | kergoth | elron: its pretty much complete. |
| 18:42.28 | kergoth | I spent 2 weeks of nonstop hacking, and denes rewrote the audio drivers |
| 18:42.38 | kergoth | tik contributed better battery handling, jak helped me test the new keyboard driver |
| 18:42.58 | elron | that is indeed a large amount of work |
| 18:43.06 | elron | do you have access to an emulator or something ? |
| 18:43.09 | kergoth | nope |
| 18:43.24 | kergoth | but i do have a Z serial cable, so i could serial console to capture dump output and the like |
| 18:43.28 | kergoth | which was sufficient |
| 18:43.39 | elron | ok |
| 18:43.54 | elron | are there any plans to use this kernel in oz 3.1-final ? |
| 18:43.57 | kergoth | 2.4.19 needs some slight tweaks and i'll make it available for those who dont need sd/mmc |
| 18:44.02 | kergoth | it will NOT be used in 3.1 final |
| 18:44.12 | kergoth | I'm not going to leave the OZ users who need sd out in teh cold |
| 18:44.18 | kergoth | that woudl be pretty fucking stupid on my part |
| 18:44.55 | elron | indeed (I am myself a sd user) |
| 18:45.06 | elron | well |
| 18:45.18 | elron | is making SD work in 2.4.19 a great amount of work too ? |
| 18:45.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:45.26 | kergoth | you have no fucking idea. |
| 18:45.31 | kergoth | we have a binary only module built against 2.4.6 |
| 18:45.33 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 18:45.43 | kergoth | and major kernel structures changed in 2.4.10 that made it break horribly |
| 18:45.45 | elron | which uses since-deprecated kernel APIs, I guess |
| 18:45.52 | kergoth | bingo. |
| 18:46.04 | kergoth | i wrote a wrapper around its interfaces with the kernel, but never finished |
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| 18:46.08 | elron | what does sharp says about it ? |
| 18:46.13 | kergoth | sharp says nothing. |
| 18:46.21 | kergoth | they arent building the mdoule against newer sources for us |
| 18:46.26 | elron | I should have guessed that. |
| 18:46.52 | ljp_work | and they certainly not maintaining or updating 5500 or 5000d roms |
| 18:46.59 | elron | of course |
| 18:47.34 | elron | hmmm |
| 18:48.02 | elron | where can I find the sources for both embedix 2.4.6 and (updated) 2.4.19 ? |
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| 18:52.02 | kergoth | elron: the buildroot can obtain adn build either kernel |
| 18:53.22 | killefiz | either the buildroot has too much stuff or my machine is too slow ... |
| 18:54.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:54.29 | kergoth | there are a lot of packages in oz.. |
| 18:54.36 | elron | fine |
| 18:54.40 | elron | I'll have a look to it later |
| 18:54.44 | elron | thank you for everything |
| 18:54.45 | elron | see you |
| 18:54.47 | treke | killefiz: try both |
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| 18:55.47 | killefiz | treke: i cannot afford a faster processor (PIV - 1700) - i bought the simpad this month |
| 18:56.10 | kergoth | heh, /me is still building on his althon 1ghz |
| 18:56.18 | killefiz | kergoth: how many kernels does the buildroot compile? |
| 18:56.30 | kergoth | all of them for 2.4.6 |
| 18:56.36 | kergoth | which is.. what 16? |
| 18:56.45 | kergoth | feel free to run menuconfig and disable the ones you dont need |
| 18:56.50 | killefiz | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:56.51 | kergoth | otherwise use ccache |
| 18:56.56 | kergoth | the delay is minimal with ccache |
| 18:57.05 | kergoth | only a couple files need rebuilding between the kernel builds, since they're so similar |
| 18:57.33 | killefiz | ccache - good idea ... it's only installed on my gentoo box |
| 18:58.50 | treke | killefiz: i can never be fast enough :) |
| 18:59.45 | icefox | completly offtopic: koodos to the first person who can name this toy: http://kaylee.meyerhome.net:82/~ben/ben/about/cache/Transformers/1984/Ravage/640_03230224.jpg |
| 19:00.09 | icefox | dang stupid url |
| 19:00.19 | treke | Ravage |
| 19:01.11 | killefiz | kergoth: what is the right way to use ccache with a crosscompiler? |
| 19:01.26 | treke | killefiz: just install it |
| 19:01.34 | treke | killefiz: buildroot handles it automagically |
| 19:01.45 | killefiz | oh - good |
| 19:02.39 | killefiz | that is probably why it tries to compile with distcc here ... it's installed but not in use |
| 19:10.00 | bipolar | crap... I wonder whats wrong now. |
| 19:10.30 | bipolar | opieplayer2 won't start from the icon, but I can start it from a shell. |
| 19:11.16 | bipolar | and it segfaults on exit |
| 19:11.18 | bipolar | heh |
| 19:11.23 | kergoth | are we having fun yet? |
| 19:11.29 | bipolar | woot! |
| 19:11.32 | bipolar | :) |
| 19:11.44 | bipolar | kergoth: at least the touchscreen bug is gone |
| 19:11.55 | kergoth | yep |
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| 19:25.08 | bipolar_Z | opie-irc works... :) |
| 19:30.08 | treke | cool. finally a working image |
| 19:30.35 | bipolar | treke: yeah. :) |
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| 19:30.45 | treke | ~lart preempt patch |
| 19:32.02 | treke | cool. rotate is nifty |
| 19:32.20 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:33.06 | bipolar | treke: I have not played with rotate. What's been changed? |
| 19:33.32 | treke | bipolar: it can rotate without restarting op |
| 19:33.38 | treke | although I've been having limited results :) |
| 19:33.40 | bipolar | treke: ahh |
| 19:34.16 | treke | it doesnt do quite what I thought. I was expecting the running app to rotate also |
| 19:34.37 | treke | plus the screen flickers a quite a bit after rotating |
| 19:36.21 | treke | nice overall though |
| 19:37.28 | Harlekin | treke: it does rotate running apps |
| 19:37.51 | treke | hmmm. not on this build |
| 19:37.55 | Harlekin | from when? |
| 19:38.05 | treke | 5-6 hours ago |
| 19:38.17 | treke | lemme check qt's version |
| 19:38.20 | Harlekin | make sure to upgrade libqpe and taskbar |
| 19:38.29 | Harlekin | nothing to do with qt |
| 19:38.35 | bipolar | unstable is code from very late last night, like midnight. |
| 19:38.35 | treke | fresh built image. no upgrade involved |
| 19:41.31 | kergoth`lunch | treke: my fresh built image here rotates fine. |
| 19:41.42 | kergoth`lunch | on the fly. |
| 19:42.11 | treke | hmm. I'll clean-sources opie |
| 19:44.05 | treke | feh. build machine crashed |
| 19:44.15 | treke | guess I'm going home for lunch :) |
| 19:58.12 | Dessimat0r | I'm using the OZ build with GCC3.2, and stuff seems so much more responsive - scrolling, loading of files into text editors, etc. |
| 19:58.58 | kergoth | yep, it flies |
| 19:59.01 | kergoth | you built one from buildroot? |
| 19:59.20 | Dessimat0r | no, it was a snapshot on a site ;) |
| 19:59.28 | Dessimat0r | of a ROM |
| 19:59.54 | Dessimat0r | ah, its in the title |
| 20:00.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:00.34 | kergoth | the experimental images arent gcc3 |
| 20:00.36 | kergoth | the ones in the topic |
| 20:01.07 | Dessimat0r | ah, sorry |
| 20:01.12 | Dessimat0r | thought it was |
| 20:01.56 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:02.02 | Dessimat0r | looks like there have been improvements elsewhere then ;) |
| 20:02.28 | Dessimat0r | I thought that such a major difference in resposiveness was due to a different GCC being used, my mistake |
| 20:02.29 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: indeed |
| 20:02.35 | kergoth | you should see how much faster it is with gcc3 |
| 20:02.39 | kergoth | blazing |
| 20:03.07 | Dessimat0r | cool ;) Will we transition people from the older GCC to the newer one, in time? |
| 20:03.18 | kergoth | well, you lose binary compatibility |
| 20:03.23 | kergoth | i havent decided how to move on that front |
| 20:03.25 | kergoth | for a while we'll have both |
| 20:03.48 | Dessimat0r | yeah, but the authors might rebuild them (if the source is closed) |
| 20:04.07 | Dessimat0r | if there is a commitment |
| 20:04.39 | kergoth | tkc wont |
| 20:04.44 | kergoth | imho anyway |
| 20:04.49 | kergoth | neo probably will, he's more reasonable |
| 20:05.14 | kergoth | and any open source apps we can add to buildroot and thereby have gcc3 versions impliticly |
| 20:05.36 | Dessimat0r | yup |
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| 20:07.39 | icefox | how does one change their name on the fly? |
| 20:07.43 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:07.49 | Dessimat0r | '/nick <name>' |
| 20:07.59 | r0ze | :) |
| 20:08.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:08.11 | r0ze | damm you! |
| 20:08.19 | icefox | hmmm. he didnt have it registered |
| 20:08.20 | r0ze | lucky for you I am before one! |
| 20:08.28 | r0ze | registered? |
| 20:08.35 | icefox | really bad |
| 20:08.44 | r0ze | how do you register a name? |
| 20:08.56 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.06 | r0ze | oh, interesting. never new that |
| 20:09.17 | icefox | r0ze: so, do you need an address to send that 5600 to? |
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| 20:09.39 | r0ze | na, I have to return it to arnold. :( |
| 20:09.47 | icefox | ok. I can settle for a c700 |
| 20:09.54 | r0ze | never got one of them. |
| 20:10.01 | r0ze | I got to touch and look at it though |
| 20:10.09 | icefox | ok. I'm generous. I'll settle for a 5500 |
| 20:10.30 | r0ze | sorry don't actually own any of them anymore (personally or at work) |
| 20:10.38 | r0ze | I only have a 5000D |
| 20:10.48 | treke | man they gutted you |
| 20:11.04 | treke | You are developer support but you dont have a 5500? |
| 20:11.27 | icefox | well I have to return it when my contract ends |
| 20:11.37 | lsmith | btw: i also am having problems logging in as root (as user works fine) .. is this also related to the qt problem? |
| 20:11.44 | Neo|Work | yes, I might do builds for gcc3 |
| 20:11.45 | treke | r0ze: when is that? |
| 20:11.50 | r0ze | Friday |
| 20:11.55 | treke | r0ze: :( |
| 20:12.08 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:13.03 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:13.20 | r0ze | Depends on who you got it from, etc |
| 20:13.25 | Neo|Work | r0ze: so you will leave sharp then/ (meaning no renewal) |
| 20:13.34 | r0ze | That is correct. |
| 20:13.38 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 20:13.57 | r0ze | They don't want to renew/extend my contract. So I get to relax and hack all day. |
| 20:14.11 | Neo|Work | after or now? :) |
| 20:14.25 | Neo|Work | problem after is that although you get to do that you don't get paid for it. :P |
| 20:14.27 | r0ze | after |
| 20:14.28 | treke | r0ze: hopefully you still hae enough money coming in |
| 20:14.50 | r0ze | Now I am attempting to migrate everything that has my name on it over to spencer. I just hope I can get it all done in time |
| 20:15.59 | r0ze | treke: well I hope to find some new work. Anyone know of a company looking for a good Qt programmer? |
| 20:16.46 | treke | tkc? |
| 20:17.03 | treke | of course we'd have to shun you forever |
| 20:17.11 | Harlekin | treke: americans are to expensive |
| 20:17.21 | treke | Harlekin: hehe |
| 20:17.43 | Harlekin | r0ze: if you dont mind to move, apply in brisbane |
| 20:17.46 | Neo|Work | treke: problem with tkc is that they couldn't afford paying you. :P |
| 20:17.57 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: australia? as in Trolltech? |
| 20:17.57 | r0ze | Brisbane? |
| 20:18.03 | r0ze | is that a company or placE? |
| 20:18.05 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: yes |
| 20:18.08 | Harlekin | r0ze: a TOWN |
| 20:18.15 | treke | in Australia |
| 20:18.20 | Harlekin | r0ze: man, world is more then usa .-) |
| 20:18.44 | Neo|Work | it's like one of the major cities in AU. :) |
| 20:18.44 | r0ze | ah, don't want to move to Australia |
| 20:18.54 | Neo|Work | but AU sucks in terms of internet access costs. :)) |
| 20:19.03 | r0ze | I think TT is the only non-us place that i would concider |
| 20:19.18 | Harlekin | r0ze: i was talking about TT |
| 20:19.23 | r0ze | I know |
| 20:19.26 | r0ze | I ment Norway |
| 20:19.33 | Harlekin | then no qpe |
| 20:19.34 | Harlekin | -) |
| 20:19.37 | r0ze | from what I understand the Australia stuff is all qpe |
| 20:19.43 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 20:19.43 | Neo|Work | Norway - who would want to live in Norway? :) |
| 20:19.44 | r0ze | I have suffered enough with qpe |
| 20:19.50 | Harlekin | norway they do the fun windows stuff |
| 20:20.01 | r0ze | and core qt stuff |
| 20:20.12 | r0ze | and .... Apple stuff |
| 20:28.32 | icefox | What does +e get me? |
| 20:28.44 | treke | a cookie |
| 20:29.09 | tronical | icefox: shows that you're identified against nickserv IIRC |
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| 20:32.42 | Neo|Work | how funny - weather forecast for iraq etc |
| 20:32.59 | treke | "light showers of lead" |
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| 20:40.20 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 21:24.52 | vandal | has the qt issue been resolved in unstable? |
| 21:25.02 | kergoth | lsmith: yes |
| 21:25.05 | kergoth | current unstable is fixed |
| 21:25.49 | lsmith | k is there a place to read about how to fix things? or just ipkg update; ipkg upgrade? |
| 21:26.13 | kergoth | just update and upgrade |
| 21:26.17 | lsmith | a news item or ml post might be nice |
| 21:26.17 | lsmith | roger |
| 21:26.38 | lsmith | is not being able to login via ssh as root also fixed? (was it even related?) |
| 21:26.43 | kergoth | i'll add one when i upload the next experimental image |
| 21:26.46 | lsmith | hmm |
| 21:26.48 | kergoth | you cant login via ssh as root? |
| 21:26.51 | kergoth | i can just fine in my images here |
| 21:27.02 | kergoth | at least i did last night |
| 21:27.04 | lsmith | hmm i just tried again and now it works .. |
| 21:27.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:27.09 | lsmith | didnt work this morning |
| 21:27.15 | lsmith | i did a reboot since then |
| 21:27.19 | lsmith | anyways .. upgrade time |
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| 21:27.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 21:27.52 | kergoth | nada, current images are solid. |
| 21:27.56 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 21:29.31 | kergoth | opie can rotate on the fly |
| 21:29.36 | kergoth | the rotate startmenu applet works |
| 21:38.05 | lsmith | Package opie-pickboard wants to install file /opt/QtPalmtop/plugins/inputmethods/libqpickboard.so.1.0.0 |
| 21:38.05 | lsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.05 | lsmith | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 21:38.17 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:38.21 | kergoth | thats an ipkg bug, pretty sure |
| 21:38.24 | lsmith | k |
| 21:38.28 | kergoth | use -force-overwrite |
| 21:38.36 | lsmith | that was the same messag i got with qt :-) |
| 21:38.43 | kergoth | yeah, ipkg is being a bitch |
| 21:41.07 | kergoth | lsmith: do you recall what ipkg version was in the image you had before you upgraded to unstable? |
| 21:41.52 | lsmith | hmm well it did not get upgraded in this run of ipkg upgrade |
| 21:42.06 | kergoth | okay, what version is it? |
| 21:42.15 | kergoth | ipkg --version |
| 21:42.20 | lsmith | one sec .. i have to open a new shell |
| 21:42.35 | lsmith | # ipkg -version |
| 21:42.35 | lsmith | ipkg version 0.99.62 |
| 21:42.42 | bipolar | kergoth: the rotate applet just makes my screen flash and unresponsive. Is there something else it needs? |
| 21:43.31 | kergoth | bipolar: you need absolute fucking bleeding edge libqpe and opie-taskbar |
| 21:43.48 | kergoth | try commenting out cvsdate and mrproper'ing opie, then you'll be on HEAD |
| 21:44.12 | kergoth | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 21:44.12 | | cannot alter locked factoids, kergoth |
| 21:44.16 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:44.25 | bipolar | kergoth: ok... I'll run that for the unstable build tonight. |
| 21:44.35 | jima | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:44.36 | | extra, extra, read all about it, kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 21:44.38 | kergoth | bipolar: k |
| 21:45.09 | kergoth | you cant! so there! |
| 21:45.10 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:45.17 | jima | dang :) |
| 21:45.25 | bipolar | kergoth: is there a way I can add a revision number to opie and still build HEAD? |
| 21:45.46 | kergoth | bipolar: uhh Revision still affects the build whether you use cvsdate or not. |
| 21:45.50 | kergoth | bipolar: just comment out cvsdate |
| 21:45.59 | kergoth | afaik |
| 21:49.27 | bipolar | ok... I' |
| 21:49.37 | bipolar | ok... I'm rebuilding with revision = 2 |
| 21:49.46 | kergoth | confirm its appending revision when it runs mkipks |
| 21:49.48 | kergoth | check the makefile |
| 21:49.54 | kergoth | i dont recall off the top of my head |
| 21:50.56 | bipolar | kergoth: I don't see anything about revision in the 'Version =' line. Is that where it would put it? |
| 21:51.06 | kergoth | nonononnoo |
| 21:51.13 | kergoth | revision _never_ goes into the version= line |
| 21:51.14 | kergoth | ever |
| 21:51.23 | kergoth | look down where it runs mkipks |
| 21:51.35 | bipolar | kergoth: sorry, I meant the Version_cvs line :) |
| 21:51.42 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:51.50 | kergoth | fuck let me pull it up |
| 21:52.38 | bipolar | having a revision would be VERY useful to me. Would you be able to add that to buildroot permanantly or is that a bad idea? |
| 21:53.28 | kergoth | as long as you remember you can revert revision back to 1 each time to move up cvsdate :) |
| 21:53.51 | bipolar | yeah :) |
| 21:57.10 | bipolar | kergoth: and did you already fix the KERNEL depend for kismet-qt? |
| 21:57.53 | kergoth | yeah, havent pushed it yet |
| 22:03.18 | kergoth | hey chouimat |
| 22:03.32 | chouimat | kergoth: hey kergoth |
| 22:03.56 | kergoth | bipolar: fyi, if you hadnt noticed, df shows root again |
| 22:04.01 | kergoth | bipolar: was a busybox bug fixed in recent cvs |
| 22:04.44 | andersee | kergoth: lots of bugs have been fixed recently |
| 22:04.58 | kergoth | yes, i know.. mjn3's coreutils work was amazing :) |
| 22:05.04 | andersee | kergoth: with yet more fixes on the way |
| 22:05.08 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 22:06.04 | andersee | with unstable becoming a new stable series in april |
| 22:06.21 | kergoth | nice, i was wondering when that would happen |
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| 22:16.25 | treke|home | kergoth: So I think I've learned not to use ac's patch even if it does supposedly support my hardware better :) |
| 22:16.31 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:16.57 | treke|home | with his patch, my ide performance sucks big fat balls. Looks good using the stock tree |
| 22:16.57 | bipolar | kergoth: whats the datestamp on df for you? I think the unstable feed one is still broken. |
| 22:17.11 | kergoth | 20030325 |
| 22:17.20 | kergoth | could be something unpushed |
| 22:17.21 | bipolar | BusyBox v0.61.pre (2003.03.24-00:34+0000) multi-call binary |
| 22:17.24 | treke|home | lemme see if df works on ipaq |
| 22:17.27 | kergoth | i have trees everywhere |
| 22:17.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:17.34 | bipolar | hehe |
| 22:18.03 | treke|home | shoot the resume bug is still there |
| 22:18.29 | kergoth | what bug? |
| 22:18.43 | treke|home | touchscreen doesnt always work after a resume |
| 22:18.51 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:19.09 | kergoth | harlekina nd jamey were talking about some touchscreen bug in ahndhelds.org.. dunno the details |
| 22:19.36 | treke|home | bipolar: what behavior are you trying to duplicate in df? |
| 22:19.51 | kergoth | treke|home: it doesnt list root |
| 22:19.53 | bipolar | treke|home: not showing / |
| 22:19.55 | kergoth | didnt anyway |
| 22:19.59 | kergoth | current cvs does |
| 22:20.28 | treke|home | BusyBox v0.61.pre (2003.03.25-15:48+0000) multi-call binary |
| 22:20.33 | treke|home | seems to work on ipaq |
| 22:20.44 | treke|home | /dev/root 32512 16180 16332 50% / |
| 22:20.59 | kergoth | yep, 0325 has the fix |
| 22:21.02 | kergoth | bipolar has 0324 |
| 22:21.13 | treke|home | ah |
| 22:21.22 | treke|home | please tell me we arent using head |
| 22:21.25 | kergoth | nah |
| 22:21.28 | kergoth | always cvsdate with busybox |
| 22:21.29 | kergoth | always |
| 22:21.47 | treke|home | hehe. |
| 22:22.03 | bipolar | kergoth: so the cvsdate is what determins what version we check out? |
| 22:22.12 | treke|home | yeah a random version being in an image would be, uhm, bad |
| 22:22.22 | kergoth | if cvsdate is set, it pulls that date |
| 22:22.25 | kergoth | if not, it pulls HEAD |
| 22:22.58 | bipolar | hmmm... so I should always build HEAD for unstable, right? |
| 22:23.06 | kergoth | NO |
| 22:23.09 | kergoth | HEAD often breaks things |
| 22:23.13 | kergoth | leave buildroot alone. |
| 22:23.15 | kergoth | build whats set there |
| 22:23.16 | bipolar | hehe |
| 22:23.23 | kergoth | just dont fuck with it |
| 22:23.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:23.31 | kergoth | we move cvsdate up after doing basic testing |
| 22:24.06 | bipolar | oi;ljk |
| 22:24.12 | treke|home | but we always want to use HEAD for our ipkg build |
| 22:24.19 | treke|home | ipkg cvs is always stable |
| 22:24.24 | kergoth | yeah ipkg is almost always less shitty going forward |
| 22:24.25 | kergoth | (almost) |
| 22:24.26 | bipolar | m noiwe iu vcasnjt hjuirt it |
| 22:24.29 | kergoth | occasionally somebody drops the ball |
| 22:24.53 | treke|home | kergoth: I think it works like this, it has no where to go but up |
| 22:24.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:25.00 | kergoth | true that |
| 22:25.24 | treke|home | 20 bucks to someone who can find me a nastier package manager |
| 22:26.40 | bipolar | kergoth: do you have the buildroot locked? I can't do a pull :) |
| 22:26.47 | kergoth | not i |
| 22:26.55 | kergoth | there are quite a few buidlroot users nowadays |
| 22:26.58 | bipolar | Entire repository is locked by: |
| 22:26.58 | bipolar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.03 | andersee | treke: slackware packages are nastier. You owe me $20 |
| 22:27.12 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:27.15 | kergoth | he's got ya there :) |
| 22:27.41 | treke|home | andersee: nah |
| 22:27.55 | treke|home | I didnt say packages, I said "package manager" |
| 22:27.57 | bipolar | andersee: I was going to say that, but I didn;'t want to insult any slackware users. If all 5 gang up on me I may not be able to defend myself. |
| 22:28.10 | treke|home | slackware's pacakge manager doesnt regularly forget your packages |
| 22:29.08 | bipolar | ok... i've got to go. There are fiero parts waiting for me at home... :) |
| 22:29.16 | kergoth | bipolar: nice, later |
| 22:31.59 | lsmith | Not downgrading package wireless-tools on root from 26-pre6 to 24-1a. |
| 22:32.02 | lsmith | should i care? |
| 22:32.33 | treke|home | nothing like doing a qt 3.1 compile and find out you used the WRONG FRICKEN COMPILER |
| 22:34.39 | kergoth | ack |
| 22:34.47 | kergoth | lsmith: yes, you want 24-1a |
| 22:34.51 | lsmith | k |
| 22:34.55 | kergoth | lsmith: dunno how 26 got into the feed |
| 22:35.02 | treke|home | grrr |
| 22:35.46 | lsmith | downgrade still have to be done by editing the status file? |
| 22:36.01 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:36.04 | kergoth | ipkg blows, what can i say |
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| 22:36.20 | mickeyl | either editing status or removing and then installing again |
| 22:36.31 | mickeyl | we need apt-get |
| 22:36.43 | treke|home | kergoth: not to mention its occaisional habit of forgetting packages |
| 22:37.22 | mickeyl | treke: will you get a chance to build a current image for oz-ipaq soon? |
| 22:37.36 | treke|home | mickeyl: I can put a new one up today |
| 22:37.45 | treke|home | midid a build this morning |
| 22:37.56 | mickeyl | treke|home: cool. will flash it if its up. |
| 22:38.42 | bipolar_away | treke|home: when you build one for ipaq, please don't forget to ad the lrz (sic) package so that one can zmodem to send/recv files via minicom. |
| 22:39.09 | treke|home | I do put lrz on |
| 22:39.16 | kergoth | arent the binaries named wrong or something? |
| 22:39.20 | kergoth | like lrz instead of rz? |
| 22:39.37 | treke|home | kergoth: They might be. I havent looked at the lrz makefile yet |
| 22:39.43 | bipolar_away | treke|home: hmm... I must have been doing something wrong, or using an old image. I'll test your new one next time I get time. :) |
| 22:39.43 | treke|home | I havent modified the package at all though |
| 22:39.55 | treke|home | bipolar_away: you have to manually start it |
| 22:40.11 | treke|home | minicom tries using just sz which isnt set |
| 22:41.06 | _Psycho | hey kergoth anything news for my toy ? =p before the weekend :) |
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| 22:41.09 | lsmith | nice even vnc is now working nicely |
| 22:41.24 | lsmith | thx |
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| 22:46.38 | treke|home | ok. knowing my shitty dsl it should be uploaded by the end of the day :) |
| 22:46.56 | mickeyl | :-D |
| 22:47.11 | treke|home | thats the one downside to building at home :) |
| 22:58.43 | _Psycho | bb; |
| 22:58.47 | _Psycho | bbl too ! |
| 22:59.04 | lsmith | hmm i have this issue again ... all buttons dont do anything but output cryptic letters on the bottom of the screen |
| 22:59.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:59.24 | kergoth | that shouldnt be possible. |
| 22:59.34 | kergoth | even if opie crashes, my segfault ahndler resets the keyboard back to xlate mode |
| 22:59.38 | kergoth | sounds like you're on an old qt |
| 22:59.41 | kergoth | or qpe |
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| 23:00.37 | lsmith | k ... well this problem coems and goes .. i got it also after flashing to rc3.1 .. although i did reuse a few apps from rc2 that i installed on my sd |
| 23:00.38 | lsmith | like xmms |
| 23:01.07 | lsmith | usually goes away after a reboot |
| 23:01.21 | lsmith | hmm i will try to see if it always happends after an upgrade |
| 23:03.21 | lsmith | anyways .. g'night |
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| 23:28.43 | treke | hmmm why doesn debian use alternatives for gcc |
| 23:29.29 | andersee | treke: it does |
| 23:30.10 | treke | I was looking at the wrong name :) |
| 23:39.58 | treke | interesting. this looks like a kernel problem |
| 23:40.40 | treke | I dont get any response /dev/touchscreen/0 after suspend, not just in opie |
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