| 00:02.25 | kennyj | anyone know of a guide to choosing and installing 802.11b cards on the Zaurus? |
| 00:03.14 | kennyj | I managed to find 4 different kinds in this area, but I'm not sure which is good... nor do I have any idea how to go about installing it once I buy it. >.< |
| 00:04.20 | treke_ | You put it in the slot |
| 00:04.22 | treke_ | and it works |
| 00:04.28 | treke_ | there's installing for you |
| 00:04.44 | kennyj | out of the box, don't have to worry about configuration? |
| 00:05.08 | treke_ | usually. |
| 00:06.03 | kennyj | so now it's just a matter of choosing the right card... |
| 00:06.06 | kennyj | thanks by the way |
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| 00:13.39 | treke_ | hmmm. my lunch burrito is coming back to haunt me |
| 00:13.46 | kennyj | Taco Hell? |
| 00:13.52 | treke_ | nope |
| 00:14.18 | treke_ | local place |
| 00:14.37 | kennyj | I still refer to the resulting condition as Taco Hell. Mexican food can be evil at times. |
| 00:14.41 | treke_ | ah |
| 00:15.12 | kennyj | I'm still trying to come up with a good one for the effects that a McDonald's hamburger can have on one's digestive system though... nothing seems to do it justice. |
| 00:18.50 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:19.53 | kergoth | grr |
| 00:19.56 | kergoth | two major problems |
| 00:20.01 | treke_ | ok. I now have all the necesarry krep to build oe at home |
| 00:20.04 | kergoth | more than that actually |
| 00:20.05 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:20.18 | kergoth | first, i found a bug in my ts raw module that would make it crash and burn |
| 00:20.34 | kergoth | then, it looks like the collie tslib module is doing some _weird_ shit to the values |
| 00:20.47 | kergoth | then, it looks like normal reads are getting passed through the collie module _twice_ |
| 00:20.54 | kergoth | when doing non-raw |
| 00:20.55 | kergoth | wtf? |
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| 00:25.41 | gaurdian | http://adrants.rantworks.com/images/nokia.mpeg <<---- HAHAHAH |
| 00:27.00 | kennyj | gaurdian++ |
| 00:27.04 | kennyj | Nice one |
| 00:27.17 | kennyj | I'm saving that ^_^ |
| 00:27.22 | gaurdian | :) |
| 00:29.39 | gaurdian | gonna send that to PETA :) |
| 00:30.13 | ljp | pizza and run night? |
| 00:38.47 | ljp | hmm, all the suddent, online papajohns doesnt want to deliver to my address,.. bastards |
| 00:39.00 | treke_ | hehe |
| 00:39.11 | treke_ | now you know2 how I feel |
| 00:39.18 | treke_ | I have to drve to get my papa johns |
| 00:39.56 | ljp | 2 years I have been ordering online, I bet I could call and get it delivered |
| 00:40.23 | kergoth | papa johns online ordering rocks |
| 00:40.48 | ljp | bbl. have to order pizza from another pizza joint, the old fashioned way... |
| 00:41.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:41.03 | kergoth | poor ljp |
| 00:41.14 | treke_ | oh well. |
| 00:41.27 | kergoth | I'm determined to get TS functioning (if jittery) on 2.4.19 |
| 00:41.28 | treke_ | I think I'm gonna leave before I gas my officemate to death |
| 00:41.39 | kergoth | heh, later |
| 00:41.49 | treke_ | kergoth: go play nwn :) |
| 00:42.07 | kergoth | damn you all and your making me waste time! i must code! |
| 00:42.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:42.17 | treke_ | fuck code. It'll be there tomorrow |
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| 00:44.41 | ljp | I hate dialup |
| 00:46.15 | ljp | hey, wasn't warwick a judge for Trolltech's qtopia dev contest? |
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| 00:52.41 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 00:52.46 | _Psycho | hrmm |
| 00:52.46 | kergoth | ~lart the collie module |
| 00:52.54 | _Psycho | ~lart the collie module |
| 00:53.00 | _Psycho | whats up ? |
| 00:53.02 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 00:53.25 | kergoth | hacking on 2.4.19 on the 5500 |
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| 00:53.41 | _Psycho | hey i bought my car last night ! |
| 00:53.42 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 00:53.52 | _Psycho | so im going down to see friend next weekend |
| 00:53.54 | _Psycho | ! |
| 00:53.56 | _Psycho | hehehe |
| 00:53.59 | kergoth | once i get the TS X values to stop being off by large amounts.. regardless of how jittery it is, i'm going to call it done and start working on c700 again |
| 00:54.03 | kergoth | what car? |
| 00:54.08 | _Psycho | Nissan SE-R Spec V =p |
| 00:54.14 | ljp | they must have named it Collie because it is like a fruffie dog |
| 00:54.24 | kergoth | _Psycho: ah nice |
| 00:54.46 | _Psycho | very ! |
| 00:54.49 | _Psycho | i just get it next tuesday |
| 00:54.50 | _Psycho | damn thing ! |
| 00:54.51 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 00:54.53 | _Psycho | cant wait |
| 00:54.58 | _Psycho | its like OPIE ! cant wait =p |
| 00:55.02 | _Psycho | omg what a week thats will be ! |
| 00:55.06 | _Psycho | *cough* |
| 00:55.07 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 00:55.32 | ljp | get what? |
| 00:55.35 | _Psycho | ~celebrate the new car |
| 00:55.45 | _Psycho | ibot only here to do the bad job it look like |
| 00:55.46 | | _Psycho: no idea |
| 00:55.46 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 00:55.55 | ljp | oh.. heh nm |
| 00:56.30 | ljp | I got my van running.. its kinda like a new car for me, cause it hasnt run in 6 years |
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| 01:05.44 | TigerBus | heyas |
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| 01:06.13 | ljp | whats that you say? rum:30? |
| 01:06.16 | TigerBus | i am just trying to boot my z and it say: INIT: no inittab file found |
| 01:06.35 | kergoth | reflash time |
| 01:06.43 | TigerBus | aww :( |
| 01:07.01 | kergoth | what happened? |
| 01:07.22 | TigerBus | i updated pcmcia_cs from testing feed |
| 01:07.31 | TigerBus | tried to boot, thats what happend |
| 01:07.45 | TigerBus | runnning still 3.2rc2, though |
| 01:07.51 | TigerBus | err 3.1 |
| 01:08.10 | kergoth | more updated than just pcmcia-cs |
| 01:08.22 | mashi | kergoth: do you mind to check the stylis head on Z which screw in or glue ? |
| 01:08.24 | kergoth | next time you mess around in unstable, ensure you upgrade sysvinit |
| 01:08.33 | kergoth | mashi: i'm busy atm |
| 01:08.35 | TigerBus | before that i sucessfully update apm - no problems though |
| 01:08.38 | mashi | ok |
| 01:10.47 | TigerBus | guess iÄll update to rc3... i just had gcc + kopi etc up and running on 64-0 ... |
| 01:13.24 | TigerBus | once i have it running again, i'll stop updating for a while... 'never tough a running system' ..... |
| 01:13.35 | TigerBus | touch |
| 01:14.20 | ljp | if it aint broke. dont fix it |
| 01:14.47 | TigerBus | hehe, yeah... all the stars in apqkg botherd me :)) |
| 01:17.34 | TigerBus | ok.. gotta go sleep |
| 01:19.37 | ljp | yaaa pizza! |
| 01:33.34 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.53 | treke|home | driving home I got a call from someone who updated his oz-ipaq install from the oz-stable feed |
| 01:34.21 | ljp | a call? |
| 01:34.35 | ljp | your taking oz phone support calls now? |
| 01:34.37 | treke|home | a tester who has my cell phone number :) |
| 01:34.48 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:35.49 | ljp | oz ipaq? |
| 01:36.57 | treke|home | yes |
| 01:37.07 | treke|home | openzaurus for ipaq |
| 01:37.23 | ljp | hmm.. |
| 01:37.34 | _Psycho | ibot oz ipaq |
| 01:37.35 | | _Psycho: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 01:37.38 | drw | oz is available for ipaq now? |
| 01:38.55 | _Psycho | well dont know the other url by memory :) |
| 01:43.40 | ljp | hehehe |
| 01:44.37 | treke|home | he cant get a serial terminal because opie doesnt accept touch screen events |
| 01:44.46 | treke|home | so he cant quit opie :) |
| 01:44.55 | treke|home | and init=/bin/sh isnt working either :) |
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| 01:45.50 | Com[Plex] | is there any way to develope for the zaurus on a windows machine? - please, avoid the sarcasm please. |
| 01:46.11 | _Psycho | cygwin probably |
| 01:46.22 | _Psycho | if the gcc work on it but i doubt its that good |
| 01:46.50 | _Psycho | else you need a linux box then open a X server to connect on it |
| 01:46.57 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: who needs sarcasm |
| 01:47.01 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: condescension is more fun |
| 01:47.09 | Com[Plex] | yeah yeah |
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| 01:47.17 | ljp | you could use the native skiffs at handhelds.org |
| 01:47.20 | JasonNJ | wassup homies. |
| 01:47.25 | Com[Plex] | skiffs? |
| 01:47.26 | treke|home | JasonNJ: peace |
| 01:47.53 | ljp | arm machines, including ipaqs you can use to compile and test |
| 01:48.01 | Com[Plex] | ooooh |
| 01:48.17 | Com[Plex] | looking for the link. |
| 01:48.18 | ljp | heh not really working from a windows machine, though. just a telnet connect |
| 01:48.21 | treke|home | ljp: the skiffcluster is just skiggs, not ipaqs :) |
| 01:48.31 | treke|home | ljp: the ipaqcluster is ipaqs |
| 01:48.32 | Com[Plex] | whats a skigg? |
| 01:48.41 | ljp | isnt there ipaqs there also |
| 01:48.43 | treke|home | Com[Plex]: its a machine |
| 01:48.56 | JasonNJ | a skigg is a small animal that gay klingons shove up their asses. |
| 01:49.07 | Bala | hmm |
| 01:49.18 | ljp | I lumpb all those machines at handhelds on 'skiffs' |
| 01:49.26 | JasonNJ | you know, from that hit song by The Skigg Shop Boys. |
| 01:49.30 | ljp | as a generic term |
| 01:53.08 | ljp | I thought it was Skiff Shop Boys? or was it Spliff Shop Biys |
| 01:53.18 | ljp | Boys |
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| 01:58.46 | JasonNJ | I just saw the latest South Park episode. That was #$%&ed up. |
| 01:59.03 | ljp | all of south park os farcked up |
| 01:59.08 | ljp | is not os |
| 02:16.47 | treke|home | bah I give up |
| 02:17.01 | treke|home | just going to have him save his jffs2 image and he can send it to me for repair :) |
| 02:20.06 | ljp | hmmmmm |
| 02:21.18 | Com[Plex] | +wtf address do I connect to for skiffcluster[1-6].handhelds.org ? I cant resolve this host, or skiffcluster1.handhelds.org |
| 02:21.26 | Com[Plex] | 1 2 3 4 5 6 anything of the sort |
| 02:22.01 | ljp | dunno. might ask at #handhelds.org |
| 02:22.05 | kergoth | anyone here any good with floating point? |
| 02:22.37 | kergoth | theres a bit of kernel code that does some ugly things |
| 02:22.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:22.59 | kergoth | float32_to_in32(float32_mul(x_slope, int32_to_float32(TS_OFFSET))) |
| 02:23.03 | kergoth | ^^-? |
| 02:23.15 | kergoth | I need to do exactly that, only in user space |
| 02:23.49 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:24.44 | kergoth | of course the software floating point code in kernel is there.. in the arm tree.. but I dont understand enough of what its doing to do so in userspace.. |
| 02:24.57 | kergoth | bleh |
| 02:25.12 | ljp | I have found some float to fixed defines |
| 02:25.59 | kergoth | you have any idea why it would do that? take an integer value, multiply it with a float of another integer value, then convert it all back to an int? |
| 02:26.04 | kergoth | it ends up cutting the value big time |
| 02:26.12 | kergoth | like, it was 10458852505 and it becomes 18018 or some shit |
| 02:27.56 | ljp | looks like to multiplies two floats and then converts to int |
| 02:28.58 | kergoth | yes, but why does that make the number smaller? |
| 02:29.12 | kergoth | TS_OFFSET is 65335 |
| 02:29.58 | ljp | is there bitshifting in th efloat to int function? |
| 02:32.11 | kergoth | it stuffs it into a 64 bit var, shifts it to the left by 32, then calls shift64RightJamming() based on a value it picked up from the exponent value' |
| 02:32.49 | kergoth | then it stuffs all that into the roundAndPackInt32 function, which .. does all sorts of fun stuff which includes shifts |
| 02:36.56 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:37.25 | kergoth | course none of the types its using are in libc.. but i could try swiping them |
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| 02:49.59 | gecko_x2 | lo |
| 02:50.08 | ljp | hi |
| 02:50.26 | gecko_x2 | what's the story with libSDL on 3.1-rc3 and deps? |
| 02:50.43 | ljp | hmm dunno |
| 02:51.52 | gecko_x2 | should i use the libSDL from the feeds or libSDL_1.2.6cvs-1_arm.ipk? |
| 02:52.26 | Com[Plex] | are there any graphics apis available for the z? |
| 02:52.38 | gecko_x2 | both say they need qpe-base |
| 02:52.45 | Com[Plex] | - I have a friend who is asking about them. I have no idea |
| 02:54.17 | Com[Plex] | also, is there a deve model of the 5600 out? |
| 02:55.14 | Com[Plex] | can the 5600 be purchased anywhere yet? |
| 02:57.40 | fishy | amazon |
| 02:57.44 | fishy | for $500 |
| 02:57.56 | fishy | while a c700 is ~560 |
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| 03:04.08 | Com[Plex] | hmmm.. |
| 03:04.19 | Com[Plex] | lots of them on ebay today. 5500s |
| 03:04.38 | Com[Plex] | I JUST bought another friggin 5000d, or I would totally buy a 5500 |
| 03:07.05 | gecko_x2 | nm i got it.. omg rick dangerous is cool :P |
| 03:07.12 | gecko_x2 | http://www.globe.net.nz/~badl/xrick.html |
| 03:08.20 | gecko_x2 | Com[Plex] like SDL? |
| 03:10.22 | Com[Plex] | rock dangerous is fun for about 5 minutes. |
| 03:13.11 | endr | anyone have any opinions on TI's "wanda" announcement? Sounds cool...http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/20/technology/techinvestor/hellweg/index.htm |
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| 03:13.57 | Com[Plex] | no keyboard - ghey |
| 03:13.59 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 03:14.11 | Com[Plex] | endr: you read shadow puppets yet? |
| 03:18.12 | redfenix | hi |
| 03:20.38 | endr | Com[Plex]: no...who's it by? |
| 03:20.59 | Com[Plex] | endr... "ender wiggin" ? |
| 03:22.25 | kergoth | the ender books rock |
| 03:22.27 | endr | Com[Plex]: hmm...always thought that was Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Xenocide |
| 03:22.28 | Com[Plex] | I jsut assumed thats where you got your name.. ender wiggin is a character in a book called "enders game" by orson scott card. - quite possibly in the top ten greatest Scifi novels/series ever written. |
| 03:22.39 | Com[Plex] | yeah, the series continue |
| 03:22.41 | endr | Com[Plex]: but what's the one written from Bean's perspective? |
| 03:22.48 | Com[Plex] | enders shadow |
| 03:22.50 | endr | aha |
| 03:22.51 | endr | yes |
| 03:22.57 | Com[Plex] | shadow of the hedgemon |
| 03:23.00 | Com[Plex] | anmd now, shadow puppets |
| 03:23.02 | endr | so shadow puppets is the latest |
| 03:23.06 | endr | cool |
| 03:23.06 | Com[Plex] | yep |
| 03:23.11 | endr | will have to read |
| 03:23.22 | Com[Plex] | jsut got it in hardcover. have not read it, because I have a new gf and Ive been porkin alot. |
| 03:23.25 | Com[Plex] | >:) |
| 03:23.31 | kergoth | bastard |
| 03:23.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:23.42 | endr | Com[Plex]: tragic |
| 03:23.59 | endr | :) |
| 03:24.04 | Com[Plex] | hahah |
| 03:26.45 | redfenix | Com[Plex]: better make it two... =P |
| 03:27.14 | redfenix | Sugar: make me a scotch on the rocks. |
| 03:27.27 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 03:27.28 | redfenix | Sugar: thanks. |
| 03:27.31 | Sugar | Redfenix: You're welcome! |
| 03:27.46 | Com[Plex] | sugar, touch my monkey. |
| 03:28.05 | redfenix | heh... not interested eh? |
| 03:28.24 | Com[Plex] | heehee |
| 03:30.19 | redfenix | kergoth: still need help/advice on kernel build... got /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 , but my native compiler is gcc 3.2 ... |
| 03:30.29 | redfenix | sharpsl_suspend.S:229: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 03:30.38 | redfenix | ^^ still getting that |
| 03:30.47 | kergoth | make -C build/linux distclean |
| 03:30.48 | kergoth | make |
| 03:31.13 | redfenix | kergoth: been there, done that... more than once. |
| 03:31.25 | redfenix | same result |
| 03:32.10 | kergoth | then theres smoething seriously fucked in your dev environment. |
| 03:32.14 | kergoth | redownload the toolchain or something |
| 03:32.23 | kergoth | in fact, one of our users was bulding and got that behavior every time |
| 03:32.27 | kergoth | turned out their toolchain was fucked |
| 03:32.34 | redfenix | kergoth: hmm... ok. |
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| 03:33.28 | redfenix | kergoth: where's the most current copy found and when I get it, do I just distclean build/linux? |
| 03:33.40 | kergoth | openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 03:33.43 | kergoth | as outlined in the FAQs |
| 03:34.34 | redfenix | kergoth: do I want 2.95.3 or 3.2? |
| 03:37.16 | treke|home | kergoth: so the port is about as crappy as expected |
| 03:41.27 | ljp | ya port wine just sucks |
| 03:42.55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: anything new? |
| 03:43.40 | ljp | kergoth: ya got very many mosquitos there in Minnesota? |
| 03:44.31 | Bala | ljp: no he doesnt.. us customs doesnt let them across the border from Canada :) |
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| 04:10.03 | ljp | poof |
| 04:11.28 | treke|home | was using 2.4.21-pre5-ac2. |
| 04:11.30 | treke|home | a bit unstable |
| 04:12.42 | ljp | I used to follow kernel development, but anymore, I just find one that works, and if I need to recompile it for a driver or feature or whatever, I upgrade then. |
| 04:13.04 | ljp | I'm kernel lazy |
| 04:13.23 | treke|home | well the point was to find one that worked well :) |
| 04:13.33 | ljp | which may be treatable with a botox injection |
| 04:14.14 | ljp | I was using 2.2.18 on my firewall for a long time |
| 04:15.08 | treke|home | I've got a finicky board :) |
| 04:17.59 | ljp | via chips? |
| 04:18.16 | treke|home | amd |
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| 04:28.49 | mewyn` | don't do that |
| 04:28.52 | mewyn` | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.55 | mewyn` | hit the fridge |
| 04:29.10 | redfenix | I just blew away all of /usr/local/arm/2.95.3 as well as all of buildroot. dl'ed 2.95.3 and re-cloned buildroot... still getting the same fscking errors. |
| 04:32.31 | redfenix | hmm.. short trip. =P |
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| 12:54.33 | ccamp | nice |
| 12:54.37 | ccamp | kergoth |
| 12:54.43 | ccamp | 31r3 is sweet man. |
| 12:54.48 | ccamp | i like the appearance |
| 12:55.05 | ccamp | (finally got the cf reader and could reflash my broken image) |
| 12:55.06 | ccamp | :P |
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| 12:59.30 | Piete | wb Twiun |
| 12:59.34 | Twiun | hey Piete |
| 13:02.58 | Cutt | someone can tell me a think? I'm using teminal app in Opie, how can i "press" to access vi command line? |
| 13:03.36 | Cutt | the ESC key i mean |
| 13:03.41 | yeiazel | cancel |
| 13:04.08 | Cutt | cancel? wait i try |
| 13:05.53 | Cutt | cancel write /\- |
| 13:06.31 | Cutt | i'm in insert state and i want to reach command line to put :q! |
| 13:06.56 | Twiun | press the cancel button |
| 13:07.08 | Twiun | if it does anything else, something is buggy |
| 13:07.42 | Cutt | ah ok then somethink is buggy |
| 13:11.17 | yeiazel | :) |
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| 14:42.46 | tzanger | ok I've got a loaner Zaurus and so far it's pretty decent |
| 14:43.16 | tzanger | couple of questions though -- I guess the first should be how do I enter a ^C in a konsole window? the onscreen keyboard's ^C doesn't seem to work at all |
| 14:44.47 | icefox | fn-c |
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| 14:47.09 | tzanger | hmm so fn-c isn't copy then? |
| 14:47.32 | yeiazel | fn-c is ^c |
| 14:47.48 | yeiazel | in some (graphical) apps, ^c is the shortcut for 'copy' |
| 14:49.44 | tzanger | ahh ok |
| 14:50.50 | tzanger | the next question I have is on the package manager... I have a 64M SD card and told the Zaurus to install a bunch of applications to SD... but my / now only has something in the neighborhood of 88k free (down from over a meg) -- the apps seem to be on SD though... |
| 14:51.13 | yeiazel | there are some links to the SD card in / |
| 14:51.43 | yeiazel | but I don't know if they would take that much |
| 14:51.50 | tzanger | interesting... |
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| 14:52.29 | tzanger | Is there a JRE or JVM available for openzaurus? |
| 14:54.34 | yeiazel | dunno |
| 15:00.14 | lsmith | i remember that it was high up on the todo list for a while |
| 15:00.23 | lsmith | but i dont remember ever reading an announcement |
| 15:00.31 | lsmith | there is of course the one from sharp |
| 15:01.20 | tzanger | lsmith: hm but you need to be running Sharp's image then, right? |
| 15:01.23 | lsmith | and there are ripper scripts on zsi |
| 15:01.31 | tzanger | ripper scripts? |
| 15:01.37 | tzanger | <-- zaurus newbie |
| 15:02.22 | lsmith | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
| 15:02.34 | lsmith | you can mount the sharp rom |
| 15:02.47 | lsmith | and use that creator script to get an ipk |
| 15:03.00 | lsmith | there is a guide on oz.org on how to mount the rom |
| 15:05.49 | tzanger | hmm ok |
| 15:09.57 | tzanger | heh |
| 15:10.15 | tzanger | konqueror for opie doesn't handle downloads well :-) |
| 15:18.09 | yeiazel | :) |
| 15:20.07 | Piete | hmm, for some reason I can not download any mp3s I have placed in my ~/public_html directory.. do i have to do anything special to allow them to be downloadeD? |
| 15:21.19 | Piete | hmm, wrong channel :) |
| 15:22.13 | yeiazel | :) |
| 15:33.48 | tzanger | there we go |
| 15:34.02 | tzanger | that's why it was taking up my / space... /mnt/card was not mounted :-) |
| 15:35.10 | tzanger | hmm oon killefiz.de there's a DC motor java app... so there must be a working java impl somewhere :- |
| 15:35.11 | tzanger | er :-) |
| 15:35.30 | tzanger | where do I download apps to so that the packager can see them |
| 15:35.30 | tzanger | ? |
| 15:35.31 | lsmith | jeode :-) |
| 15:35.50 | lsmith | you can pass ipkg an url |
| 15:36.15 | tzanger | lsmith: well I was just gonig to download them to a directory off of the sd and try and point ipkg to it |
| 15:37.02 | lsmith | well then you dont need a specific place either |
| 15:37.12 | lsmith | ipkg /somedir/somefile |
| 15:37.15 | tzanger | ok |
| 15:37.33 | lsmith | btw: you can specify where the app gets installed |
| 15:37.45 | lsmith | for example install other non core apps to my sd card |
| 15:37.49 | tzanger | using the desination pulldown, right? |
| 15:37.55 | tzanger | I just moved /opt to /mnt/card/opt |
| 15:38.02 | lsmith | yeah |
| 15:38.12 | lsmith | however i do all of my package management at the console |
| 15:38.25 | tzanger | I was never keen on debian's package manager |
| 15:38.33 | tzanger | but they seem to have made it work for the zaurus |
| 15:38.40 | lsmith | often packages that affect opie alot tend to create issues when update while opie is runnin |
| 15:38.51 | tzanger | especially since each device has its own database... that was a very slick idea |
| 15:39.02 | lsmith | nah .. ipkg is pretty much just held together by chewing gum |
| 15:39.08 | tzanger | haha |
| 15:39.32 | lsmith | but no body seems to have time for a rewrite |
| 15:40.15 | tzanger | hahhaa |
| 15:40.21 | tzanger | bochs for the zaruus |
| 15:40.23 | tzanger | er zaurus |
| 15:40.53 | tzanger | hmm I have not received your email yet lsmith |
| 15:41.49 | lsmith | hmm i send it off 30mins ago to akohlsmith@mixdown.ca |
| 15:41.58 | tzanger | that's the right address |
| 15:41.59 | tzanger | hmm |
| 15:42.10 | tzanger | oh wait |
| 15:42.11 | tzanger | there we are |
| 15:42.15 | lsmith | ah :-) |
| 15:42.44 | tzanger | my imap account was not getting checked like it should have |
| 15:43.29 | tzanger | perl for zaurus... heh |
| 15:43.33 | tzanger | how powerful is this little processor |
| 15:44.14 | lsmith | which one do you have 5500 or 5600? |
| 15:44.15 | yeiazel | perl sucks |
| 15:44.19 | yeiazel | oops :) |
| 15:44.27 | tzanger | there's a PIC programmer app for zaurus?! |
| 15:44.28 | tzanger | wow |
| 15:44.29 | lsmith | there is even mysql, apache etc |
| 15:44.33 | tzanger | yeah I see that |
| 15:44.36 | tzanger | mysql sucks |
| 15:44.40 | tzanger | oops :) |
| 15:44.42 | lsmith | hehe |
| 15:44.51 | lsmith | there are other rdbms for the z .. like oracle |
| 15:44.54 | lsmith | just kidding :-) |
| 15:45.03 | tzanger | well I saw minsql and msql |
| 15:45.07 | lsmith | picosql |
| 15:45.09 | lsmith | sqlite |
| 15:45.44 | tzanger | hmm |
| 15:45.48 | tzanger | XFree86 for Zaurus |
| 15:45.55 | tzanger | I wonder if that will be necessary for XWT |
| 15:46.03 | tzanger | I doubt it but I don't know how its handled in the jar |
| 15:46.04 | lsmith | evas for z! |
| 15:46.33 | tzanger | I need to make a gcc cross compiler for arm |
| 15:46.34 | scanline | XWT? |
| 15:46.36 | tzanger | get a native app |
| 15:46.45 | tzanger | www.xwt.org -- the demos are all down atm though :-( |
| 15:46.51 | scanline | oh, that XWT |
| 15:46.57 | scanline | thought you were talking about something different |
| 15:47.07 | tzanger | scanline: you know XWT because of the demos being down or? :-) |
| 15:47.14 | tzanger | it si rather bad if it is known for that |
| 15:47.24 | scanline | tzanger: I've heard of that XWT, but I was thinking about PicoGUI's XML Widget Templates |
| 15:47.59 | lsmith | tzanger: i know xwt from when the demos worked :-) |
| 15:48.04 | lsmith | especially that mail demo blew me |
| 15:48.09 | tzanger | :-) |
| 15:48.10 | tzanger | yeah |
| 15:48.15 | tzanger | I have a sales demo that will floor you |
| 15:48.31 | lsmith | do you also have an editor demo? ;-) |
| 15:48.42 | tzanger | launch.xwt.org/stable/www.mixdown.ca/~rmartin/sales-114.xar |
| 15:48.43 | tzanger | er xwar |
| 15:50.31 | lsmith | hmm that floored by moz :-/ |
| 15:51.15 | tzanger | hahaha |
| 15:51.20 | tzanger | well moz doesn't work with the launcher |
| 15:51.29 | tzanger | that's the single biggest issue on the dev list right now |
| 15:51.41 | lsmith | oh |
| 15:51.50 | lsmith | doh! |
| 15:52.01 | lsmith | is there anything you can do to safe moz? |
| 15:52.13 | tzanger | not atm |
| 15:52.20 | tzanger | download the engine directly via dist.xwt.org |
| 15:52.36 | tzanger | and run xwt.version http://www.mixdown.ca/~rmartin/sales-114.xwar |
| 15:52.51 | lsmith | that was really evil of you |
| 15:52.55 | tzanger | what was? |
| 15:53.04 | lsmith | pasting an url that will crash moz into a linux channel :-) |
| 15:53.07 | tzanger | oh |
| 15:53.19 | tzanger | I didn't know it _crashed_ moz... I thought it just didn't work |
| 15:53.22 | tzanger | my apologies |
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| 16:05.24 | kergoth | mornin |
| 16:05.41 | mickeyl | morning kergoth# |
| 16:05.47 | mickeyl | s/#/ |
| 16:07.24 | tzanger | it's too bad hancom wasn't compatible with staroffice/openoffice |
| 16:07.37 | mickeyl | kergoth: any idea why opie-wellenreiter does not appear in make image_menuconfig? It's listed in $OPIEDIR/packages |
| 16:07.49 | kergoth | mickeyl: opiedir/packages isnt used for image creation |
| 16:07.59 | kergoth | mickeyl: ipk's in output/ipks/ are used for image creation |
| 16:08.16 | kergoth | and thats all. only the available ipks.. so ensure its packages were created |
| 16:08.30 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah so its generated in runtime. ok, nice |
| 16:08.55 | kergoth | yep. every time your run image_*config it checks to see if the available packages have changed, and if so, regenerates the .in |
| 16:09.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 16:09.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 16:09.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i got your botmails |
| 16:10.59 | tzanger | so do I just say ipkg install -d /mnt/card whattoinstall ? |
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| 16:11.26 | mickeyl | tzanger: nope, you don't give the directory, but you give the destination which is listed in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 16:11.36 | tzanger | ahh ok so -d sd |
| 16:11.39 | mickeyl | yep |
| 16:11.56 | tzanger | thanks |
| 16:12.12 | TheMasterMind1 | you can give direcotry too |
| 16:12.15 | tzanger | that's just something very cool about ssh'ing to your handheld |
| 16:12.32 | tzanger | ok I've installed jeod |
| 16:12.42 | tzanger | now to see if I can't get the jre/jvm/whatever to run |
| 16:13.26 | tzanger | it's also a little disconcerting that everything's done as root :-) |
| 16:13.59 | mickeyl | yep, but not much longer... we're working on it. |
| 16:14.08 | tzanger | wicked |
| 16:14.16 | tzanger | I've done some embedded linux work myself but not a whole lot |
| 16:14.22 | tzanger | mostly dragonball-ez stuff |
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| 16:15.01 | kergoth | hey jason. |
| 16:15.07 | JasonNJ | morning. |
| 16:15.09 | tzanger | what's involved in writing apps for the zaurus... is there a dev environment somewhere? I imagine I'd have to create gcc for arm and use the basic libs and whatnot |
| 16:15.16 | icefox | Morning Jason |
| 16:15.21 | kergoth | ibot: tell tzanger about howtos |
| 16:15.25 | JasonNJ | tzanger: docs.zaurus.com |
| 16:15.34 | tzanger | ah |
| 16:15.40 | tzanger | thanks |
| 16:16.20 | JasonNJ | kergoth: so get this... sharp service calls me up to tell me there is nothing wrong with my 5500 |
| 16:16.28 | kergoth | ehh |
| 16:16.28 | JasonNJ | and that "I must have set something wrong" |
| 16:16.41 | JasonNJ | you should have heard the words out of my mouth |
| 16:16.42 | lsmith | amateur :-) |
| 16:16.45 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:17.01 | JasonNJ | "DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO?" |
| 16:17.07 | JasonNJ | "CHECK IT AGAIN!" |
| 16:17.14 | treke_ | JasonNJ: wasnt the screen cracked? |
| 16:17.25 | JasonNJ | not cracked, refresh problem |
| 16:17.33 | treke_ | ah |
| 16:17.34 | JasonNJ | you can see the screen corruption |
| 16:17.49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: these calculations are odd.. they multiply an already huge number by 0x10000 as floating point so it wouldnt overflow, then truncates it back to an integer, which cuts the number big time |
| 16:18.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh |
| 16:18.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not sure how to do it outside the kernel :\ |
| 16:18.04 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any progress on the keyboard driver for 5600? |
| 16:18.17 | treke_ | kergoth: very carefull |
| 16:18.21 | kergoth | havent spent much time on it, working on a bunhc of other shit |
| 16:18.29 | treke_ | y |
| 16:18.31 | kergoth | like doing some cleanup for 2.4.19 on collie |
| 16:18.38 | kergoth | and working on the next rc |
| 16:18.52 | bipolar | good morning |
| 16:19.00 | kergoth | and fixing an annoying touchscreen bug only on the c700, and only with qt/e+opie.. tslib behaves perfectly |
| 16:19.49 | kergoth | all ts events on the far right side of the screen register as being 30-40 pixels to the left of where they should be |
| 16:20.02 | mickeyl | damn... touchscreen doesn't react on my freshly built image |
| 16:20.27 | mickeyl | are we having problems with qte again? |
| 16:20.36 | kergoth | not afaik |
| 16:22.52 | mickeyl | hmm... no luck. no error messages from qpe, but dev/ts is there and spitting out values. |
| 16:22.59 | kergoth | strace it |
| 16:23.04 | kergoth | does it even open /dev/ts? |
| 16:23.15 | kergoth | I ran into something similar the other day |
| 16:24.02 | kergoth | oh right, that was a qt/e thing as relates to the c700 configs.. shouldnt have affected the 5500 configs |
| 16:25.30 | mickeyl | heh strace is pretty verbose for qpe... |
| 16:25.46 | kergoth | thats an understatement |
| 16:25.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:25.54 | mickeyl | :-D |
| 16:26.56 | mickeyl | open("/dev/ts", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = 5 |
| 16:26.56 | mickeyl | gettimeofday({1009861687, 562201}, NULL) = 0 |
| 16:27.14 | kergoth | well thats a good sign.. but you cant get past calibration? or.. |
| 16:27.37 | mickeyl | yep - hangs at calibration and doesn't accept any touch |
| 16:27.53 | tzanger | hmm |
| 16:28.19 | mickeyl | this image has been built with tslib support. yesterday i built an image without qte/tslib and i had the same. |
| 16:28.23 | tzanger | ok so using evm how do I invoke a jarfile (not an applet) -- evm myjar.jar just says java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: myjar/jar |
| 16:28.50 | tzanger | the Jeode stuff is all run as applets and needs an .html file calling it up as an applet |
| 16:29.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: any chance the QWS_EBX, QWS_SHARP to QWS_SL5XXX did something bad? |
| 16:29.27 | mickeyl | didin't we had similar problems once... |
| 16:29.30 | kergoth | not likely.. the qmake config defines them all |
| 16:29.37 | kergoth | EBX, CUSTOM, SHARP, and SL5XXX |
| 16:29.44 | kergoth | to ensure that _doesnt_ happen |
| 16:29.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:29.46 | kergoth | :\ |
| 16:31.05 | mickeyl | hmm.... ts_calibrate works nice |
| 16:32.17 | kergoth | is your qt built with or without tslib support? |
| 16:32.39 | mickeyl | this one I built _with_ support |
| 16:32.49 | mickeyl | yesterday's image without tslib support didn't work either |
| 16:38.22 | kergoth | argh, too many trees to keep track of wtf is going on |
| 16:39.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: okay, so with the tslib suipport, ts_calibrate works, but it hangs at qt calibration? |
| 16:39.54 | kergoth | interesting |
| 16:40.49 | treke_ | ~lart Richard Scheffe |
| 16:42.52 | treke_ | he used the evil sentencePlease respond to my regular email address since I'm not a member of this " |
| 16:42.55 | treke_ | mailing list |
| 16:45.22 | mickeyl | damn 24h disconnect.. |
| 16:56.06 | kergoth | mickeyl: what modules are in your ts.conf? |
| 16:57.05 | mickeyl | #module variance xlimit=160 ylimit=160 pthreshold=350 |
| 16:57.05 | mickeyl | #module dejitter xdelta=10 ydelta=10 pthreshold=350 |
| 16:57.05 | mickeyl | module linear |
| 16:57.17 | kergoth | okay, good.. just checking |
| 16:57.38 | kergoth | so far i've found uncommitted changes to qt in 3 seperate trees, and uncommitted tslib changes in one |
| 16:57.45 | kergoth | then alterations to opie in another |
| 16:57.51 | mickeyl | ouch. too much trees |
| 16:57.57 | kergoth | yess |
| 16:58.00 | mickeyl | i just overwrote the base packages with the ones from rc3.1. now everything works again. |
| 16:58.14 | mickeyl | so it's somewhere inside libqte or libqpe |
| 16:58.17 | mickeyl | or both |
| 16:58.29 | kergoth | alright, i'm wiping my collie tree and doing a build ther |
| 16:58.45 | kergoth | its old, as my recent work as been in the collie/2.4.19/gcc3 and corgi/gcc3 trees |
| 16:58.54 | mickeyl | kergoth: would be great. thanks. |
| 16:58.57 | kergoth | np |
| 16:59.17 | mickeyl | i always doubt on my environment... maybe I'm paranoic... but then again... ;) |
| 17:03.08 | kergoth | okay one step at a time. my corrected collie tslib module and corrected module_raw handling are merged |
| 17:03.38 | treke_ | mickeyl: that's because you've been doing this long enough to know that 9 times out of time it's something you did to screw it up :) |
| 17:04.55 | mickeyl | treke: hehe, absolutely right. |
| 17:05.50 | mickeyl | I really hate screaming "DOESN'T WORK DOESNT WORK"... and then later... "oh sorry, folks, just didn't read the faq"... |
| 17:06.02 | treke_ | hehe yeah. |
| 17:08.54 | treke_ | its always shocking to find out you actually were doing things right :) |
| 17:09.06 | kergoth | heh, i'm sure this one is a dropped patch on my side |
| 17:09.17 | kergoth | juggling too much shit, i'm bound to drop one of them on my head occasionally |
| 17:09.21 | kergoth | ;) |
| 17:10.20 | treke_ | just dont drop them on your nuts |
| 17:10.57 | treke_ | kergoth: btw, played nwn for about 3 hours lst night. The game is pretty fun, and a well done port besides being a bitch to set up |
| 17:11.06 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 17:11.39 | mickeyl | kergoth: even better. then its not my env and the time spent cooking images is actually worthwhile because we're debugging our stuff :-D |
| 17:12.18 | treke_ | kergoth: looks to be a case of "we'll just compile it on whatever machine we happen to use for development and assume it works elsewhere" |
| 17:13.43 | mickeyl | bbl |
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| 17:19.45 | ljp_work | yo |
| 17:21.17 | kergoth | i need one |
| 17:22.14 | tzanger | so close |
| 17:23.03 | kergoth | tzanger: ? |
| 17:23.14 | tzanger | trying to get XWT to run on Zaurus |
| 17:23.30 | tzanger | the jar loads but I get a "NoClassDefFoundError: java/awt/image/BufferedImage |
| 17:23.59 | tzanger | I'm calling it as evm -Xprogress:3200 -cp xwt.jar org.xwt.Main http://path/to/my.xwar |
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| 17:40.12 | tzanger | the kismet arm package is a tar.gz -- is there anything special I have to do to install it other than untar it? |
| 17:40.29 | yeiazel | ? |
| 17:40.45 | yeiazel | isn't it in the official feeds ? |
| 17:41.06 | tzanger | not sure how to check that yet :-) |
| 17:41.12 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030321&mode=classic |
| 17:41.20 | yeiazel | tzanger: aqpkg/ipkg |
| 17:41.34 | yeiazel | tzanger: 'packages' in the 'settings' tab |
| 17:42.53 | tzanger | there's a settings tab? |
| 17:43.28 | yeiazel | the 3rd tab... |
| 17:44.01 | tzanger | I run aqpkg and I see no tabs... it's the regular package manager |
| 17:44.06 | yeiazel | mh... no kismet in 3.1rc3.1... but i think i've seen it in 3.0... |
| 17:48.51 | tzanger | found it in testing |
| 17:49.02 | kergoth | testing is 3.1rc3.1 |
| 17:49.14 | yeiazel | then I should learn to read :) |
| 17:49.17 | tzanger | now to try and figure out why BufferedImage doesn't exist :-) |
| 17:50.15 | yeiazel | mh i'm in unstable, not testing... :) |
| 17:50.15 | kergoth | read the Z jasva faq? |
| 17:50.22 | kergoth | unstable could use another update |
| 17:51.23 | tzanger | Z java faq? |
| 17:51.24 | tzanger | no |
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| 17:54.48 | tzanger | that's kind of funny |
| 17:54.57 | tzanger | sf logs me in, but then says Permission: user not found |
| 17:55.01 | kergoth | ibot: java faq |
| 17:55.05 | | it has been said that java faq is the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 17:55.05 | tzanger | are the java docs archives not available to non-subscribers? |
| 17:55.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:55.19 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 17:55.19 | | kergoth: aw, gee |
| 17:55.27 | tzanger | what kind of bot is ibot? |
| 17:55.31 | kergoth | blootbot |
| 17:55.32 | kergoth | ibot: ibot |
| 17:55.33 | | somebody said ibot was a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 17:55.46 | tzanger | eeentoresting |
| 17:55.57 | tzanger | I am using a perlbot currently for #xwt but frankly it's lacking |
| 17:57.42 | tzanger | instead of jeode |
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| 18:02.43 | C-Howells | What application feed do I need for OZ 3.1rc3? |
| 18:02.57 | kergoth | what? |
| 18:02.57 | C-Howells | I guess not stable, but is it testing or unstable? |
| 18:02.59 | yeiazel | testing |
| 18:03.12 | yeiazel | but it's rc3.1, not rc3 :) |
| 18:03.40 | C-Howells | oh yeah :) |
| 18:03.44 | C-Howells | ok, thanks, I'll give testing a go |
| 18:03.57 | C-Howells | I'm really impressed with OZ, well done any developers (and opie as well) |
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| 18:04.42 | C-Howells | Hrm, I downloaded tinykate from testing but it complained about opie-base not being installed |
| 18:04.43 | C-Howells | ... |
| 18:04.43 | chouimat | C-Howells: thanks |
| 18:05.01 | C-Howells | chouimat: you're a OZ developer as well? |
| 18:05.14 | kergoth | thanks C-Howells |
| 18:05.15 | chouimat|shower | C-Howells: :P sh4 support |
| 18:05.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:05.33 | C-Howells | chouimat|shower: lol |
| 18:06.08 | chouimat|shower | kergoth: ? |
| 18:06.20 | kergoth | chouimat|shower: lost a bunch of code |
| 18:06.24 | kergoth | not sure which tree its in |
| 18:06.25 | kergoth | :\ |
| 18:06.35 | mewyn` | doh! |
| 18:06.40 | chouimat|shower | kergoth: map your trees |
| 18:06.46 | kergoth | yes, i know |
| 18:07.22 | mewyn` | http://www.homestarrunner.com/trogdor.html time to play some trogdor! |
| 18:08.33 | C-Howells | # ipkg install opie-tinykate_0.9.2-20030313_arm.ipk |
| 18:08.33 | C-Howells | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-tinykate: |
| 18:08.33 | C-Howells | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.37 | C-Howells | anybody know why? |
| 18:08.56 | Harlekin | hmm, opie-common should provide that |
| 18:09.35 | kergoth | no, it shouldnt |
| 18:09.40 | kergoth | task-opie-minimmal should |
| 18:09.45 | kergoth | opie-base was more than just the ocmmon files |
| 18:09.48 | kergoth | common |
| 18:10.00 | kergoth | and task-opie-minimal _does_ provide it |
| 18:10.04 | kergoth | I suspect a ipkg bug here |
| 18:10.19 | kergoth | C-Howells: is task-opie-minimal installed onyour Z/ |
| 18:10.40 | C-Howells | kergoth: erm, I don't know, it's just totally locked up (at least second time today) |
| 18:10.46 | C-Howells | time to soft reboot it.... |
| 18:11.09 | kergoth | did you try ejecting a wifi card? |
| 18:11.13 | kergoth | that'll hang it every time in that version |
| 18:11.26 | C-Howells | no, it seems to be related to docking |
| 18:11.39 | kergoth | dont suspend/resume the Z while in cradle |
| 18:11.41 | TheMasterMind1 | we should release rc3.2 with the wifi and ,user and other stuff we've fixed |
| 18:11.44 | C-Howells | I don't quite know how to reproduce it though |
| 18:11.49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 18:11.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm doing a collie build now |
| 18:11.56 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 18:12.09 | kergoth | trying to juggle too manyt hings |
| 18:12.15 | C-Howells | kergoth: ah, that's probably it. It keeps falling asleep when it's in the docking station (and it's started to refuse to charge in the docking station) |
| 18:12.16 | kergoth | need toget this out so i can work on other things |
| 18:12.26 | kergoth | C-Howells: eh, if power is supplied, it wont suspend |
| 18:13.03 | C-Howells | kergoth: I know, the problem is that no power is being supplied so it keeps going to sleep :) |
| 18:13.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ... |
| 18:13.20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:13.25 | TheMasterMind1 | so change the settings |
| 18:13.44 | kergoth | or figure out why its not getting power :) |
| 18:14.07 | C-Howells | I think it must be a hardware issue |
| 18:14.23 | C-Howells | anyway, I do have task-opie-minimal installed, according to ipkg list |
| 18:14.32 | kergoth | k, ipkg is borked w/ regard to provides |
| 18:14.40 | kergoth | task-opie-minimal Provides two packages, comma seperated |
| 18:14.43 | kergoth | must be borking |
| 18:14.46 | C-Howells | ah |
| 18:14.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fyi, jamey tought ipkg to support architecture ipk field |
| 18:15.11 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 18:15.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we can now have a feed with both strongarm adn pxa optimized packages, and ipkg will only install the ones supported by your device :D |
| 18:15.46 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 18:15.56 | yeiazel | cool :) |
| 18:16.05 | kergoth | what this also means is |
| 18:16.13 | kergoth | we can keep kernel and kernel modules packages for multiple devices in a single feed |
| 18:16.32 | kergoth | reduces the maintainance headache |
| 18:17.16 | kergoth | now i just need update-ipkg to rebiuld /etc/ipkg.conf based on what device you have |
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| 18:21.11 | C-Howells | Hrm, Konqueror doesn't want to install either, even if I force it |
| 18:21.11 | C-Howells | Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for konqueror-snapshot: |
| 18:21.12 | C-Howells | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.12 | C-Howells | Installing konqueror-snapshot (0.9.1-20021229.2) to root... |
| 18:21.12 | C-Howells | /tmp/ipkg-3V0IBm/konqueror-snapshot-XRq8oQ/preinst: Permission denied |
| 18:21.12 | C-Howells | pkg_run_script: `/tmp/ipkg-3V0IBm/konqueror-snapshot-XRq8oQ/preinst install' failed: No such file or directory. |
| 18:21.30 | kergoth | please please see the fscking mailing lists |
| 18:21.41 | kergoth | I get tired of answering the same questions time and time again |
| 18:21.54 | kergoth | remove ,user from the /var entry in /etc/fstab and reboot, then itll install fine |
| 18:22.04 | C-Howells | apologies |
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| 18:27.28 | C-Howells | ok, thanks very much for the help, bbl |
| 18:30.36 | CeRIaL|away | ive just installed ozrc3 the zImage-64-0 image... now qtopia desktop doesn't install any packages on it (qtopia installs a package but it isnt on the zaurus)... any idea? |
| 18:31.00 | kergoth | it probably doesnt work. OZ uses a different packaging application |
| 18:31.17 | kergoth | I'd recommend either installing directly from a feed on the net, or copy them to the Z via scp or ftp and install them locally |
| 18:31.22 | Harlekin | kergoth: installing apps should use the qcop / ftp bridge |
| 18:31.31 | kergoth | Harlekin: well, it doesnt work :) |
| 18:31.38 | Harlekin | didnt know that |
| 18:31.40 | kergoth | I havent had time to sniff an attempt to do so |
| 18:31.49 | Harlekin | btw did anybody test QD 1.6 with outlook? |
| 18:32.04 | Harlekin | kergoth: better stick to keyboard code *cough* and tslib |
| 18:32.30 | kergoth | actually, I'm back on collie for a bit |
| 18:32.37 | kergoth | I'm pushing out the next rc today or tomorrow |
| 18:32.39 | Harlekin | collie? |
| 18:32.45 | kergoth | collie=5000d/5500 |
| 18:32.47 | Harlekin | ah |
| 18:32.58 | CeRIaL|away | ok... ill try the oder way... and how can i tell oz to save my documents (transferred from qtopia) are always saved on the sd-card? |
| 18:33.02 | kergoth | after the next rc is out, i'll finish up the c700 and 5600 |
| 18:33.19 | kergoth | CeRIaL|away: qtopia desktop drops the docs in /root/Documents regardless |
| 18:33.24 | kergoth | CeRIaL|away: symlink it if need be |
| 18:33.46 | CeRIaL|away | ok thx |
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| 18:40.06 | tzanger | hmm |
| 18:40.19 | tzanger | I don't have 19M free on my zaurus for the blackdown jre |
| 18:40.55 | yeiazel | :) |
| 18:41.19 | tzanger | and sun's j2me might be smaller but I don't have a cross-compiler set up yet :-) |
| 18:42.41 | tzanger | yeah I have a 256M CF card but I'm using the port for wlan atm |
| 18:43.59 | tzanger | heh waba for the TI calculator? hahahha |
| 18:46.07 | yeiazel | buy a sd cart :) |
| 18:46.12 | yeiazel | card |
| 18:46.12 | tzanger | I have a 64M one |
| 18:46.23 | icefox | :-0 |
| 18:47.04 | tzanger | hmm |
| 18:47.19 | tzanger | I wonder if I can just nab the GNU classpath java libs and still use evm |
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| 18:57.21 | tzanger | well |
| 18:57.36 | tzanger | if I had a crosscompiler for java I'd be able to make the classpath libs :-) |
| 18:57.39 | tzanger | I don't want to do that though :-) |
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| 19:17.14 | tzanger | Erik's here too... wow this is just an embedded bonanza here :-) |
| 19:21.21 | andersee | morning |
| 19:21.24 | andersee | err |
| 19:21.25 | andersee | noon |
| 19:22.33 | icefox | Do I still have a opie cvs account? |
| 19:22.44 | icefox | cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.handhelds.org rejected access to /cvs for user benmeyer |
| 19:23.10 | icefox | I can't remember my password :( |
| 19:25.10 | icefox | :( |
| 19:25.48 | kergoth`food | that sucks, i need a ppp module! :P |
| 19:25.56 | icefox | hehe |
| 19:26.04 | icefox | I need my password reset or something |
| 19:26.20 | kergoth`food | i never use my password, so i dont know what mine is either |
| 19:26.28 | kergoth`food | use ssh key auth |
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| 19:27.02 | icefox | ? oh then my key has changed |
| 19:27.05 | icefox | :-D |
| 19:27.11 | icefox | new server |
| 19:27.14 | kergoth | lost your private key? |
| 19:27.16 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:27.29 | icefox | whom do I send my new key to |
| 19:27.30 | ljp_work | get a locksmith |
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| 19:27.54 | kergoth | nick duffek is the handhelds.org admin |
| 19:27.56 | kergoth | he manages such things |
| 19:28.10 | icefox | When jason left sharp we moved our server to a new machine and I acidently deleted my old keys |
| 19:28.15 | C-Howells1 | Ergh. I tried to install a RAM, didn't have enough space, ipkg seg faulted and now ipkg doesn't think the package is installed so I can't remove it :( |
| 19:28.25 | C-Howells1 | s/RAM/package |
| 19:30.04 | icefox | hmm I send my public key or private key? |
| 19:30.17 | kergoth | public |
| 19:30.27 | icefox | was going to say |
| 19:30.28 | C-Howells1 | icefox: sending anybody your PRIVATE key is a bad idea ;) |
| 19:30.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:30.42 | kergoth | ugh, i forgot to change cvsdate in the opie makefile again |
| 19:30.54 | icefox | well up top kergoth mentioned me loosing my private key... |
| 19:31.08 | kergoth | yes.. you lost your private key which is why you can no longer authenticate |
| 19:31.41 | C-Howells1 | you need it, but only you should have it |
| 19:32.42 | Harlekin | icefox: how about a ppp plugin? |
| 19:32.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:32.54 | kergoth | thats what i said :) |
| 19:32.55 | icefox | need cvs access first :0) |
| 19:33.06 | Harlekin | icefox: to which cvs? |
| 19:33.20 | kergoth | Harlekin: handhelds. he lost his priv key and odesnt know his pass |
| 19:33.36 | Harlekin | oh |
| 19:33.43 | Harlekin | icefox: email still the same? |
| 19:33.51 | icefox | yup |
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| 19:34.54 | Harlekin | icefox: so a kerberos reminder later |
| 19:35.07 | C-Howells1 | Is there any work around for the broken IrDA in the latest OZ snapshot? |
| 19:36.04 | C-Howells1 | sorry |
| 19:36.05 | C-Howells1 | will do |
| 19:36.31 | kergoth | 11:30 <@kergoth> please please see the fscking mailing lists |
| 19:36.32 | ljp_work | what mailing list? ;) |
| 19:36.33 | kergoth | there we go |
| 19:36.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:36.55 | kergoth | any of them, i've posted information on the cause and solutions to opie and openzaurus-users |
| 19:37.01 | ljp_work | maybe put that on channel info |
| 19:37.31 | *** topic/#openembedded by kergoth -> OpenEmbedded - It Sucks Less! (tm) | http://openzaurus.org/ | http://openembedded.org/ | OpenZaurus 3.1-rc3 released! | Please check openzaurus-users mailing list archives before asking questions |
| 19:38.46 | ljp_work | so I have to check the archives for any questions? |
| 19:39.00 | ljp_work | oh crap should have checked the archives for that |
| 19:39.20 | treke_ | ~lart ljp_work |
| 19:39.39 | ljp_work | haha. I dont have mojo in the first place |
| 19:39.48 | treke_ | ~kill ljp_work |
| 19:39.49 | | ACTION slits ljp_work's throat |
| 19:39.51 | treke_ | you do have a throat |
| 19:40.23 | Harlekin | hwy treke_ a bit late |
| 19:40.29 | ljp_work | what if I have no neck? |
| 19:40.35 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: we can write a bot to answer to stupid question ... |
| 19:40.52 | ljp_work | qbot! |
| 19:41.33 | ljp_work | oticker is mostly documented. woot! |
| 19:41.43 | kergoth | yay |
| 19:42.07 | kergoth | chouimat|nap: damn you and you working from home too |
| 19:42.11 | kergoth | chouimat|nap: :P |
| 19:42.26 | chouimat|nap | kergoth: too much beer last night I not enough food |
| 19:42.44 | chouimat|nap | a lot of nice young chicks |
| 19:42.59 | ljp_work | boobies! |
| 19:43.21 | chouimat|nap | ljp_work: yup that uni party was cool |
| 19:43.25 | treke_ | would be too distracting |
| 19:43.39 | troffasky | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/ |
| 19:43.53 | chouimat|nap | treke_: I know that too well |
| 19:45.33 | C-Howells1 | Hrm, I can't change the volume in Opie.... the QSlider keeps getting pushed back to the top |
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| 20:23.29 | ccamp | why is xmms not in the feeds? |
| 20:23.54 | kergoth | cause it wasnt enabled in my config when i updated it |
| 20:26.44 | ccamp | h00 h0 h0 |
| 20:27.40 | treke_ | ? |
| 20:28.07 | ccamp | the link from killefiz is wrong |
| 20:28.38 | treke_ | no. the link is correct |
| 20:28.44 | treke_ | the file just is not there right now |
| 20:28.52 | ccamp | well, not wrong |
| 20:28.56 | ccamp | oops my boss came over |
| 20:28.57 | ccamp | heh |
| 20:29.11 | ccamp | that is what i was going to say |
| 20:29.55 | ccamp | what is the demux plugin i need for mediaplayer? |
| 20:30.04 | treke_ | we dont know |
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| 20:30.33 | ccamp | you speak for all? |
| 20:30.40 | treke_ | yes I do |
| 20:30.57 | ccamp | word |
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| 20:44.54 | third | Hey, everyone! |
| 20:45.06 | third | Hey again, scanline! |
| 20:45.15 | scanline | hiya |
| 20:45.32 | ljp_work | hows picogui coming? |
| 20:45.48 | third | I came in this channel, as I didn't want to flood the other ones with questions that might seem to have obvious answers to you. |
| 20:46.00 | scanline | ljp_work: 2.0 in the planning stages, working on stabilizing things for a 1.0 release this summer |
| 20:46.06 | third | It's comming along wonderfully, scanline! |
| 20:46.11 | third | I have another question though. |
| 20:46.14 | scanline | thanks :) |
| 20:46.32 | third | How and where do you enter OpenGL commands? |
| 20:47.27 | scanline | third: themes or applications can issue OpenGL commands just like other primitives. It's a driver-specific extension, so you have to be running the sdlgl driver or another one based on OpenGL |
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| 20:50.27 | third | Is that to say that I have to go and download it? I don't see it in the drivers directory for picogui. |
| 20:51.11 | scanline | it's in there |
| 20:51.33 | scanline | enable OpenGL in the video base libraries menu, enable SDL OpenGL in the video drivers menu |
| 20:51.54 | scanline | I have to go to a class, be back not too much later |
| 20:53.49 | third | Ok, I'll be looking for you. |
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| 21:10.32 | TheMasterMind1 | whatsnew |
| 21:10.58 | kergoth | nothing much. building collie to see about getting another rc out the door |
| 21:12.00 | ljp_work | new is c++ that replaces the malloc function |
| 21:12.51 | icefox | you can overload new if you want though |
| 21:12.55 | icefox | hehe |
| 21:16.29 | ljp_work | true |
| 21:16.55 | icefox | in some cases getting a very drimatic speedup |
| 21:25.36 | tzanger | is there an ipkg for expat around somewhere? |
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| 21:30.53 | TigerBus | heyas... could someone tell me where i can still download 3.1.rc2 ? |
| 21:33.26 | kergoth | for what? |
| 21:33.29 | kergoth | its on the mirrors still |
| 21:33.58 | TigerBus | i want to flash back to it, because i dont like some things in rc3.1 |
| 21:34.15 | kergoth | what things? |
| 21:34.45 | TigerBus | e.g. next to the time the capslock and numlock symbols are gone?! |
| 21:35.01 | kergoth | I never knew they were there |
| 21:35.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:35.10 | TigerBus | :) |
| 21:35.18 | kergoth | neither did any of the opie devs. ljp_work you recall what was showing the locks on the taskbar? |
| 21:35.57 | TigerBus | a small C and a small N next to the time |
| 21:36.43 | Harlekin | ah yeah saw that in some versions |
| 21:37.02 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 21:37.05 | kergoth | any idea where it came from? |
| 21:37.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:37.14 | kergoth | some plugin, or launcher itself? |
| 21:37.14 | TigerBus | no boot/shutdown messages are shown? it simply looks like its doing nothing and then it suddenly boots as if it did all the hings it tne background |
| 21:37.16 | Harlekin | kergoth: its on the english rom |
| 21:37.18 | ljp_work | was from opie/qpe I believe |
| 21:37.18 | Harlekin | kergoth: plugin |
| 21:37.22 | Harlekin | kergoth: right to time |
| 21:37.56 | kergoth | Harlekin: ok, but users are reporting it was there in rc2, not in rc3.1.. so what plugin from opie does it? |
| 21:38.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:38.25 | kergoth | grep is my firend |
| 21:38.28 | kergoth | its not a plugin |
| 21:38.31 | kergoth | its the launcher |
| 21:38.34 | TigerBus | :) |
| 21:38.35 | Harlekin | kergoth: so directly in launcher |
| 21:38.37 | kergoth | taskbar.cpp, line 112 |
| 21:38.38 | kergoth | grep is your friend |
| 21:38.39 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:38.44 | kergoth | LockKeyState |
| 21:38.45 | Harlekin | kergoth: never saw it |
| 21:39.02 | Harlekin | youre right |
| 21:39.06 | Harlekin | even works on my ipaq |
| 21:39.12 | TigerBus | hihi |
| 21:39.56 | TigerBus | there's another thing: i cant ftp to the z anymore - did the port change? |
| 21:40.08 | kergoth | library/custom-sharp.h:83:#define QPE_INITIAL_NUMLOCK_STATE \ |
| 21:40.14 | kergoth | TigerBus: no, that hasnt chagned. |
| 21:40.18 | TigerBus | hmm |
| 21:40.27 | kergoth | you must run security and set the subnet and hit OK |
| 21:40.34 | kergoth | otherwise port 4242 will immediately close the connection |
| 21:40.40 | kergoth | this was true in previous versions as well as current |
| 21:40.50 | TigerBus | ok we'll see |
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| 21:41.48 | TigerBus | the eject prblem with cf lan cards is still there :( |
| 21:41.56 | kergoth | yes, it is. |
| 21:42.01 | kergoth | and will be until the next rc, when its finally fixed |
| 21:42.03 | kergoth | thank god |
| 21:42.13 | TigerBus | cool |
| 21:42.24 | TigerBus | will the next rc still support sd? |
| 21:42.28 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:42.31 | TigerBus | cooool |
| 21:42.53 | TigerBus | something else: what happend to the shutdown app? |
| 21:43.08 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.08 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.08 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.10 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 21:43.14 | kergoth | so there it is |
| 21:43.36 | TigerBus | the percentage bar does its thing, after that nothing happens... |
| 21:43.47 | kergoth | can you try the mailing list archives |
| 21:43.55 | kergoth | so i can stop saying shit i've said like 8 times already |
| 21:44.06 | TigerBus | u're right |
| 21:44.20 | yeiazel | :) |
| 21:44.27 | yeiazel | kergoth: only 8 ? |
| 21:44.37 | kergoth | good point, probably more than that by now |
| 21:44.44 | kergoth | multiple times in the past hour for gods sake |
| 21:44.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:45.03 | ljp_work | what was that again? |
| 21:45.58 | tzanger | is there an ipkg for expat around somewhere? |
| 21:46.00 | kergoth | ~kill ljp_work |
| 21:46.02 | | ACTION slits ljp_work's throat |
| 21:46.40 | treke_ | so, when is rc4 gonna be out? |
| 21:46.43 | Harlekin | kergoth: probably rc4 would be an idea .-) |
| 21:46.46 | treke_ | and will it have SD support? |
| 21:47.06 | ljp_work | kergoth: you certainly like knifes |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | Harlekin: working and testing it now |
| 21:47.36 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:47.46 | kergoth | Harlekin: we need the dma channel thing worked out, and this stupid numlock/capslock thing.. then i'll call it released |
| 21:48.01 | Harlekin | for ipaq its working currently |
| 21:48.09 | Harlekin | so must be in some ifdef stuff or Z specific |
| 21:48.09 | kergoth | yeah, i think its our qt build |
| 21:48.13 | kergoth | ipaq using 2.3.4? |
| 21:48.14 | kergoth | final? |
| 21:48.15 | Harlekin | yes |
| 21:48.17 | kergoth | k |
| 21:48.17 | Harlekin | ups |
| 21:48.21 | Harlekin | missed the final |
| 21:48.22 | Harlekin | not sure |
| 21:48.24 | Harlekin | hope so |
| 21:48.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:48.30 | Harlekin | ask groucho |
| 21:48.33 | kergoth | k |
| 21:49.08 | TigerBus | ok.. so i guess iÄll have to wait for rc4 :) |
| 21:49.42 | TigerBus | is the new kernel planned for 3.1 final or did that get postponed? |
| 21:49.57 | treke_ | ~lart TigerBus |
| 21:50.10 | TigerBus | *g* |
| 21:50.16 | kergoth | jesus fucking christ |
| 21:50.19 | kergoth | will you read the news page? |
| 21:50.33 | Harlekin | TigerBus: get your favorite editor and start working on it |
| 21:52.40 | TigerBus | well reading the news page tells me that the new kernel doesn support sd/mmc and that all the rc's so far contain the old kernel with sd/mmc support. |
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| 21:53.27 | kergoth | Regarding SD/MMC support for the SL-5000d and SL-5500(g) in 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1, I will be making a decision on this post-3.1 final. Please avoid contacting me regarding status on this until then. |
| 21:53.35 | treke_ | TigerBus: it says that it will not be decided on until after 3.1 |
| 21:53.46 | kergoth | and 2.4.19 is NOT GOING TO BE USED in an official release until said decision is made |
| 21:53.53 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:54.01 | TigerBus | thats the sentence i missed in there |
| 21:54.02 | lsmith | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for hostap-modules: |
| 21:54.03 | lsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.20 | lsmith | what is that all about? .. i didnt find an entry in the bug tracker about this |
| 21:54.44 | kergoth | TigerBus: yes, your inability to read is not my problem. |
| 21:54.53 | kergoth | lsmith: soon you'll be able to install kernel images via ipkg |
| 21:54.58 | kergoth | lsmith: until then, -force-depends |
| 21:55.03 | lsmith | k |
| 21:55.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, hows that gonna work? not like you can run lilo.. |
| 21:55.51 | TigerBus | kergoth: no sorry i thought u'd switch to the new kernel regardless of sd/mmc support. |
| 21:56.01 | TheMasterMind1 | TigerBus: stop talking |
| 21:56.40 | kergoth | TigerBus: that would be pretty stupid. |
| 21:56.47 | kergoth | I'm not just going to alienate half our users |
| 21:56.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dd the zImage onto the kernel mtd partition |
| 21:57.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: in the postinst |
| 21:57.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :D |
| 21:57.09 | TheMasterMind1 | oof |
| 21:57.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57.12 | kergoth | evil |
| 21:57.14 | TheMasterMind1 | very evil |
| 21:57.16 | kergoth | but.. |
| 21:57.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:57.32 | kergoth | its the only way to prevent install of the wrong modules |
| 21:57.36 | kergoth | we need a kernel ipk |
| 21:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
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| 22:00.13 | kergoth | okay |
| 22:00.22 | kergoth | numlock and capslock _work_ but still dont display in the taskbar |
| 22:00.22 | TigerBus | ok thx all - hoping for rc4 :) |
| 22:00.35 | kergoth | touchscreen works on the calibrate screen for opie, but not within opie after calibration |
| 22:00.40 | kergoth | eenteresting |
| 22:01.06 | kergoth | well, given the locks _work_, its not a qt problem |
| 22:01.13 | kergoth | gotta be something in opie |
| 22:01.27 | kergoth | the touchscreen thing, must be a problem with the ts_read call vs ts_read_raw |
| 22:01.34 | kergoth | but.. ts_test works flawlessly |
| 22:01.36 | kergoth | which uses ts_read |
| 22:02.01 | ljp_work | whoa. that espresso was strong... |
| 22:02.12 | kergoth | isnt that the point? :) |
| 22:02.16 | ljp_work | yes. |
| 22:02.29 | ljp_work | need to focus on something |
| 22:02.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp_work: fix all the opie bugs |
| 22:03.23 | ljp_work | what bugs? |
| 22:03.40 | ljp_work | opie has no bugs.. what do you mean? |
| 22:04.13 | yeiazel | « opie has no bugs » ... hahaha ... there are always bugs, as long as there is a program |
| 22:04.19 | ljp_work | I keep _trying_ to do too many things |
| 22:04.44 | ljp_work | I still have helix crap to work on |
| 22:05.05 | ljp_work | I know of no opie bugs |
| 22:05.09 | ljp_work | :) |
| 22:05.26 | TheMasterMind1 | go check mantis |
| 22:05.41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i think you missed some sarcasm |
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| 22:06.04 | ljp_work | hehehee |
| 22:06.10 | ljp_work | doh |
| 22:06.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:06.51 | ljp_work | yes, I know opie has bugs. a lot are in pim apps which I don't develop |
| 22:07.28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:07.54 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnhmm |
| 22:07.57 | TheMasterMind1 | excuses excuses |
| 22:08.17 | kergoth | this numlock thing pisses me off |
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| 22:08.29 | schurig | hehe much better |
| 22:08.55 | TheMasterMind1 | roooooooot |
| 22:09.02 | schurig | kergoth: just committed another bunch to OE. "oebuild" does not buld anything, but it looks nice when called :-) |
| 22:09.12 | kergoth | cool :) |
| 22:09.57 | schurig | kergoth: hell? So you are breaking packages again ? :-) |
| 22:10.03 | Horwitz_ | is there an easy way to duplicate calendar entries? |
| 22:10.45 | schurig | kergoth: I added the possibility of override per-target or per-architecture. So src_compile_zaurus could override src_compile |
| 22:11.22 | schurig | kergoth: I also added OEPATH, which one would preferably put into conf/local.oe, where you specify which over directories to consider. Thingies there override the main *.oe files. |
| 22:12.08 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:12.27 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: regarding that konqueror problem .. where in the stab should i add 'exec'? |
| 22:12.39 | kergoth | lsmith: just remove ,user from /var in /etc/fstab |
| 22:12.51 | schurig | kergoth: look at the end of bin/oe.py, there you can see all the descriptions of the current know env vars for OpenEmbedded |
| 22:13.03 | kergoth | ok |
| 22:13.13 | lsmith | ok |
| 22:13.58 | schurig | kergoth: very gentoo'ic, as we decided. I also saw in the gentoo-cvs a file eclass/crosscompilation.eclass. It's not used anywhere, but I took the CBUILD and CCHOST variables from there. |
| 22:15.09 | kergoth | people are silly .. therefore war is people! |
| 22:15.12 | kergoth | i love flawed logic |
| 22:16.13 | ljp_work | I hear Spock rolling in his grave |
| 22:16.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:21.15 | lsmith | w00t .. vnc almost working :-) |
| 22:25.03 | TheMasterMind1 | almost? |
| 22:27.52 | ljp_work | almost only counts in hand gernades and jr. high sex |
| 22:29.04 | third | Where can I learn more about opengl? |
| 22:29.16 | ljp_work | internet |
| 22:29.24 | ljp_work | google |
| 22:29.29 | TheMasterMind1 | eh.. not in #openembedded thats for sure |
| 22:29.30 | ljp_work | perhaps |
| 22:29.32 | TheMasterMind1 | opengl.org |
| 22:29.51 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:30.01 | kergoth | stupid numlock/capslock thing |
| 22:30.22 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 22:30.28 | ljp_work | not happening? |
| 22:30.33 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:30.39 | kergoth | numlock and capslock work though |
| 22:30.44 | ljp_work | did you change any defines maybe |
| 22:30.54 | kergoth | well, we changed so much i woudlnt know where to start |
| 22:31.03 | kergoth | opie switched from EBX and CUSTOM to SL5XXX |
| 22:31.07 | ljp_work | are the images there? I think its images |
| 22:31.07 | third | Thanks, TheMasterMind1! |
| 22:31.08 | kergoth | now using qt 2.3.4 final |
| 22:31.11 | kergoth | etc |
| 22:31.14 | kergoth | ljp_work: hm, good point |
| 22:32.10 | ljp_work | what a slow week at work |
| 22:32.27 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 22:33.38 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 22:33.40 | kergoth | ljp_work: you called it |
| 22:33.48 | kergoth | ljp_work: opie-pics isnt fscking installed |
| 22:33.49 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:35.52 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 22:36.31 | kergoth | okay, so now only need to figure out why the qt/e tslib support isnt happy once you're logged in on the 5500 |
| 22:36.34 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:37.40 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: well i didnt get an error when starting vnc .. |
| 22:37.49 | lsmith | but the vnc client broke off right after loading |
| 22:38.00 | lsmith | but i think i remember that error from a while back |
| 22:38.00 | ljp_work | yeah!!!! I'm worth something! |
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| 22:38.44 | lsmith | but night is sleepy time |
| 22:38.47 | lsmith | aeh now |
| 22:38.51 | lsmith | whatever :-) |
| 22:39.13 | TheMasterMind1 | we still blowing iraq to bits? |
| 22:39.15 | chouimat | grrrrr |
| 22:39.52 | chouimat | just found out that of the 5 appartement here, i got the bigger raise of rent .... |
| 22:40.11 | ljp_work | bastard! |
| 22:40.25 | ljp_work | damn landlords |
| 22:40.25 | chouimat | ljp_work: thnaks |
| 22:41.29 | Twiun | yo |
| 22:41.43 | kergoth | hey twiun |
| 22:42.08 | ljp_work | crap. damn asm |
| 22:42.18 | kergoth | dont damn asm! asm is spiffy! |
| 22:43.08 | ljp_work | I know. I just dont know it. and the rv codecs use alot of it |
| 22:43.22 | ljp_work | nop nop |
| 22:43.28 | ljp_work | is about all I know |
| 22:43.31 | ljp_work | :) |
| 22:44.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:44.27 | Twiun | oooer, the wonka webpages have been updated :) |
| 22:44.32 | Twiun | http://wonka.acunia.com |
| 22:44.34 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 22:44.39 | Harlekin | Twiun: so how are oyu coming along? |
| 22:45.01 | ljp_work | yet _another_ thing I need to learn/put on my projects list |
| 22:45.22 | Twiun | Harlekin: slowly :) |
| 22:45.30 | Twiun | Harlekin: working on menus and scrollpanes atm |
| 22:45.58 | ljp_work | well, there is linux x86 asm |
| 22:46.05 | chouimat | Twiun: don't know why but some part of the webpage is pleasing for my eyes :) |
| 22:46.20 | ljp_work | the part with boobies? |
| 22:46.35 | chouimat | ljp_work: you said it :) |
| 22:46.47 | ljp_work | (o)(e) |
| 22:47.05 | chouimat | ljp_work: your logo for OE? |
| 22:47.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:47.42 | Twiun | chouimat: yeah, a definite improvement on what they had before |
| 22:49.08 | ljp_work | yes, |
| 22:49.46 | Twiun | nah, looks too much like (o)(o) |
| 22:51.35 | ljp_work | there is also some arm stuff from symbian |
| 22:51.52 | ljp_work | err something like that |
| 22:51.53 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 22:57.52 | kergoth | hrm |
| 22:58.19 | ljp_work | hrm |
| 23:00.18 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 23:03.07 | ccamp | whats up with Fn C not doinga control C |
| 23:03.42 | kergoth | in pure console it doesnt |
| 23:03.55 | kergoth | because sharp/lineo didnt make the keymaps the same |
| 23:03.55 | kergoth | idiots |
| 23:04.04 | schurig | kergoth: added some more stuff, now local targets can append/prepend/delete lines from things like src_compile(), see oe-test/override-0.1.oe |
| 23:04.16 | kergoth | k |
| 23:09.38 | kenb | nice ;) |
| 23:10.18 | Twiun | gotta go :( |
| 23:10.22 | Twiun | g'night guys |
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| 23:10.31 | Com[Plex | are there any other PDAs wich have a CF AND a SD card in them? |
| 23:10.49 | Com[Plex | I think I saw an ipaq like that, but Im curious wich models, priocetags, etc |
| 23:11.05 | C-Howells1 | dunno, but personally I love my Z :) |
| 23:11.40 | schurig | Com[Plex: I have CF, but ONLY MMC, not SD |
| 23:12.23 | C-Howells1 | Shdwdrgn: aren't MMC and SD the same thing? |
| 23:12.24 | schurig | Com[Plex: actually, yesterday I had a) a 128 MB CF-Card in my Ramses, b) and 64 MB MMC-Card in it and c) using a Sandisk SDDR09 via USB another 128 MB CF-Card :-) |
| 23:13.11 | kergoth | ljping |
| 23:13.13 | kergoth | er |
| 23:13.18 | kergoth | ljp left? |
| 23:13.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:13.36 | schurig | C-Howells1: not really, SD utilizes the Pins differently. For example, you cannot use a SD card in a system which has only MMC, even when you don't use the DRM-stuff |
| 23:13.56 | C-Howells1 | Shdwdrgn: ah, I see |
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| 23:14.38 | C-Howells1 | I'm just about to order a MMC card to install apps on (don't really like the idea of installing to RAM), and I can't quite decide whether to get a 64MB one or a 128MB one |
| 23:15.01 | schurig | Com[Plex: and my Ramses had itself 32 MB of flash, so I had a total of 352 MB Flash and 128 MB RAM ... hmm, I need an portable atomic power plant ... |
| 23:15.13 | kergoth | schurig: thats amazing |
| 23:15.29 | kergoth | i cant figure out what to do with the 64mb of flash on my c700 |
| 23:15.37 | schurig | kergoth: yeah, but it's not really usable to carry a Sandisc CF-Reader with you |
| 23:15.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:16.30 | schurig | kergoth: maybe you can hang the cable around your neck, your computer in the left hand and your external CF-Card-Reader in your in your right trousers-pocket |
| 23:16.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:17.01 | kergoth | nah, portable storage device in your suitcase w/ BT support |
| 23:17.03 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:17.04 | Com[Plex | ramses? |
| 23:17.07 | Com[Plex | whsts a ramses? |
| 23:17.20 | schurig | Com[Plex: an industry device with a PXA250 |
| 23:17.26 | schurig | and OpenZaurus on it :-) |
| 23:17.35 | schurig | despite the fact that it's very un-Zauric ... |
| 23:17.54 | Com[Plex | link me? |
| 23:18.26 | kergoth | GOD I love ccache! |
| 23:18.38 | Com[Plex | can I get a link to the ramses? |
| 23:18.38 | kergoth | nothing like watching a qt compile complete in 15 seconds flat |
| 23:18.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:18.47 | schurig | OpenZaurus runs on different computers, e.g. on the iPaq, some ADS computers, a Linux based telephone. And on Ramses, an industry computer we make (at my company) |
| 23:19.01 | schurig | Com[Plex: when it's finished |
| 23:19.18 | kergoth | dont forget the webpal |
| 23:19.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:19.32 | Com[Plex | *sigh* |
| 23:19.38 | Harlekin | schurig: btw there was somebody interested in rockarized pdas at cebit |
| 23:19.43 | schurig | kergoth: the Siemens device that they sold so cheap? |
| 23:19.52 | C-Howells1 | kergoth: TrollTech's Teambuilder rocks as well :) |
| 23:19.59 | schurig | Harlekin: what is "rockarized" ? Ruggedized? |
| 23:20.28 | kergoth | schurig: yea, webpal sells for $13. hehe. a toy more than anything else |
| 23:20.40 | kergoth | once we get linux on the motorola dct5000, oz will run on that too |
| 23:21.23 | chouimat | kergoth: woohoooo |
| 23:22.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:22.09 | kergoth | i want opie on my tv damnit |
| 23:22.13 | schurig | kergoth: the SDDR09 took 30 mA, I'm wondering what a CF-Reader based on BlueTooth would eat |
| 23:22.22 | Harlekin | schurig: yes .-) |
| 23:22.24 | chouimat | kergoth: get a DC or a PS2 then |
| 23:22.58 | _Psycho | kergoth get the tv-out CF card ;) |
| 23:23.07 | kergoth | ~lart _Psycho |
| 23:23.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:23.21 | Com[Plex | I have heard, in the developers community, that you wont be able to compile properly (maximum effectiveness) for the xscale CPU without paying specifically for the proprietary special intel compiler, wich is hell expensive. |
| 23:23.23 | Com[Plex | is this true? |
| 23:23.27 | _Psycho | ~love Kergoth |
| 23:23.28 | | If you love Kergoth so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 23:23.45 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 23:23.58 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:24.11 | schurig | Harlekin: our device will be ruggedized. Our female company boss has a simple test to check ruggedized quality of our devices: she takes one and let it drop from about 1 to 1.5 meter to the floor. Basically she is mimicking the behavior of storage warehouse workers. All of your devices that we sell survived this test, if they did not, we didn't put them into our catalogue :-) |
| 23:25.00 | schurig | Com[Plex: I did not even knew that a special XScale optimized Intel Compiler exists ... |
| 23:25.02 | Harlekin | i thought she takes it into the bathtub |
| 23:25.17 | schurig | Harlekin: no, were not waterproof |
| 23:25.19 | Harlekin | schurig: but i had not card from your companie so i could not pass him along |
| 23:25.51 | schurig | we should survive dampness, but not water ... |
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| 23:26.59 | schurig | Hehe, one of our customers is producing colors, e.g. to paint you house. They dropped a handheld data aquisition terminal into their color-pot. They retrieved it and sent it in for service ... wanting to have it replaced for no-cost, bruuaaahahahahaha |
| 23:27.10 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:27.48 | kenb | heh |
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| 23:32.09 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:32.14 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:33.26 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex: last I heard the official Intel XScale compiler is gcc 3...? |
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| 23:44.10 | chouimat | hmmm poutine with merguez |
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| 23:44.34 | treke | pizza |
| 23:44.53 | chouimat | treke: I'm tired of pizza for the next 3 weeks |
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| 23:56.08 | kergoth | hey umopapisdn |
| 23:56.47 | umopapisdn | hey kergoth |
| 23:57.17 | umopapisdn | anyone here any good with QRegExp? |
| 23:59.29 | kergoth | i'm familiar with regex in general, not with QRegExp |
| 23:59.36 | kergoth | word is QRegExp in qt2 blows tho |
| 23:59.48 | treke | it does |