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| 00:07.03 | treke|home | hrm, that's interesting |
| 00:07.12 | treke|home | make -j3 completed without error |
| 00:07.18 | treke|home | but it didnt compile everything |
| 00:07.56 | kergoth | weird |
| 00:08.30 | treke|home | even weirder is that a second make -j3 is building more stuff |
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| 00:16.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:17.08 | TheMasterMind1 | i think the flash upgrade fixed it |
| 00:17.09 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 00:17.16 | TheMasterMind1 | finally, i can ipkg upgrade |
| 00:18.23 | bisho | The best way for installing all on the CF card is using dpkg-link, so between updates of the flash |
| 00:18.34 | bisho | you don't loose your programs... |
| 00:18.38 | bisho | isn't? |
| 00:18.39 | kergoth | s/dpkg/ipkg/ |
| 00:18.47 | kergoth | yes, thats correct. |
| 00:18.57 | kergoth | cmon usb-storage, dont crash |
| 00:19.00 | kergoth | cmon baby |
| 00:19.00 | bisho | But how do you recover the list of installed packages??? |
| 00:19.04 | chayim | back |
| 00:19.04 | kergoth | bisho: ? |
| 00:19.07 | TheMasterMind1 | bisho: eh? |
| 00:19.11 | kergoth | bisho: uh, the package database is _on_ the card |
| 00:19.15 | kergoth | bisho: for packages installed to the card |
| 00:19.24 | bisho | After installing a new flash |
| 00:19.30 | bisho | Great |
| 00:19.31 | bisho | XD |
| 00:19.41 | bisho | no more questions |
| 00:19.45 | kergoth | yay |
| 00:19.45 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:19.53 | bisho | everything is clear now for me |
| 00:19.55 | TheMasterMind1 | more bugs, yay |
| 00:20.04 | bisho | I'm going to test rc3.1 |
| 00:22.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:22.24 | TheMasterMind1 | was konq's ipkg fixed? |
| 00:22.29 | kergoth | it wasnt konq's ipkg |
| 00:22.37 | TheMasterMind1 | /tmp/ipkg-LRf2nu/konqueror-snapshot-full-wzAPU6/preinst: |
| 00:22.37 | TheMasterMind1 | Permission denied |
| 00:22.39 | kergoth | remove ,user from the mount opts for /var in /etc/fstab |
| 00:22.40 | kergoth | yes |
| 00:22.42 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:22.43 | chayim | what changed in ipkg and aqpkg b/w 3.0 and 3.1rc3.1? |
| 00:22.43 | kergoth | ,user implies noexec |
| 00:22.46 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll close it |
| 00:22.47 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 00:22.47 | chayim | it's much faster |
| 00:22.49 | kergoth | noexec says you cant exec a damn thing |
| 00:22.49 | TheMasterMind1 | makes sense |
| 00:23.01 | kergoth | chayim: numerous changes in aqpkg .. drw hacked on it quite a bit |
| 00:23.05 | treke|home | kergoth: hrm, that could be a problem |
| 00:23.06 | kergoth | ipkg.. still sucks |
| 00:23.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:23.17 | chayim | kergoth: i'm very impressed with the speed improvement. |
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| 00:23.45 | kergoth | grr! |
| 00:24.06 | ljp | grrr x 2 |
| 00:24.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:24.20 | TheMasterMind1 | whereis the makefile for opiemediaplayer |
| 00:24.22 | TheMasterMind1 | 2 |
| 00:24.22 | drw | chayim: I didn't do much speed-wise w/aqpkg, just a little more verbose |
| 00:24.37 | chayim | drw: hmm... it's way, way faster than it used to be! |
| 00:24.48 | kergoth | chayim: oh, i know waht it could be |
| 00:24.53 | kergoth | chayim: the text box in the install dialog |
| 00:24.58 | kergoth | chayim: before, it didnt limit its size |
| 00:25.06 | kergoth | chayim: it just grew and grew and grew as more lines came in |
| 00:25.15 | kergoth | chayim: someone reported this slowed it down _badly_ |
| 00:25.18 | kergoth | chayim: so i added a limit. |
| 00:25.18 | chayim | ah... maybe that's it then. |
| 00:25.22 | kergoth | could very well be. |
| 00:25.39 | drw | IIRC - give kergoth credit for that one... |
| 00:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: do we build our own op2? |
| 00:26.10 | kergoth | i cant code gui apps for shit, but i can bugfix anywhere |
| 00:26.11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:26.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, we build op2 |
| 00:26.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what packages/ dir is it in? |
| 00:26.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its in opie. |
| 00:26.34 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:26.54 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:27.08 | TheMasterMind1 | " The package opie-mediaplayer2 still depends on |
| 00:27.08 | TheMasterMind1 | opie-mediaplayer-codecs. As far as I know opie-mediaplayer-codecs is obsolete |
| 00:27.08 | TheMasterMind1 | and libxine1 should be used instead" |
| 00:27.16 | TheMasterMind1 | but its patched to depend on libxine |
| 00:27.26 | kergoth | apparently the patch didnt get into my build |
| 00:27.36 | kergoth | couldve been remnants of a previous tree or something |
| 00:27.40 | kergoth | i'll wipe and rebuild later |
| 00:27.47 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:29.26 | DocWhat | kergoth: Did you get a look at vim and samba? I pushed it last night. |
| 00:29.34 | TheMasterMind1 | or the makefile isn't actually using the opie-op2.patch file |
| 00:30.10 | kergoth | DocWhat: havent had a chance |
| 00:30.55 | DocWhat | kergoth: Ok. Is there anthying *I* need to do to make stuff appear in the feed, next build? |
| 00:31.08 | kergoth | DocWhat: nope, just wait |
| 00:31.16 | kergoth | aha, neale's comment on openzaurus-devel is amusing |
| 00:31.21 | treke|home | and wait... and wait |
| 00:31.30 | treke|home | and then wait a bit longer |
| 00:31.52 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, the op2 patch is outdated and not being applied |
| 00:32.06 | treke|home | hrm that reminds me |
| 00:33.59 | treke|home | I wanted to enable opieplayer2 in my builds |
| 00:35.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hows the ipaq stuff doing |
| 00:37.23 | treke|home | mostly just been trying to find a stable kernel lately |
| 00:37.32 | DocWhat | kergoth: Okay. BTW: Last night, I said that ipkg remove <vim> removed the /etc/vimrc file. This is true. It notes that it has changed, then it is gone when I look for it. |
| 00:37.50 | kergoth | DocWhat: and /etc/vimrc is in the conffiles of the package you're removing? |
| 00:37.58 | DocWhat | kergoth: yes. |
| 00:38.05 | kergoth | thats Bad. |
| 00:38.20 | kergoth | open a bug report in the BTS on handhelds.org against ipkg |
| 00:38.21 | TheMasterMind1 | (tm) |
| 00:38.30 | DocWhat | okay. |
| 00:38.46 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: it leaves the other conffiles? |
| 00:38.55 | TheMasterMind1 | but removes the one that was changed? |
| 00:39.16 | DocWhat | It's the only conffile in the package. It didn't matter if I changed it or not. |
| 00:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.11 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.16 | TheMasterMind1 | thats in the ipkg code |
| 00:40.39 | TheMasterMind1 | if it has been modified, it should skip it |
| 00:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.46 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: okay, but what does the code actually do? |
| 00:41.00 | TheMasterMind1 | if its modified, it skips, otherwise deletes |
| 00:41.01 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: Then something else is deleting it. |
| 00:41.09 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate code like that.... conffile_has_been_modified() |
| 00:41.10 | kergoth | or its broken. |
| 00:41.10 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 00:41.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:41.12 | DocWhat | I have no pre/post rm |
| 00:41.18 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, its probably broken |
| 00:41.25 | TheMasterMind1 | i bet the function is broke |
| 00:41.31 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: Probably, it continues there, but it has it in another list or something stupid. |
| 00:41.40 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:41.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i remember when you pasted |
| 00:41.48 | TheMasterMind1 | it said "deleting file" |
| 00:41.52 | TheMasterMind1 | and thats after the continue |
| 00:41.53 | treke|home | kergoth: you found the problem with bluez-sdp? |
| 00:41.58 | TheMasterMind1 | so its getting past that piece of code |
| 00:41.59 | chayim | l8r folks.. back tomorrow hopefully. |
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| 00:42.33 | TheMasterMind1 | DocWhat: got a vim package i can test with? |
| 00:42.40 | kergoth | treke|home: no, but i saw mickeyl commit something on one of its config.in's |
| 00:42.42 | DocWhat | Not made.... |
| 00:42.46 | DocWhat | It's in buildroot. |
| 00:42.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:43.07 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll use something else then i guess |
| 00:43.19 | TheMasterMind1 | lets seee.. what can i remove that has a conffile |
| 00:43.35 | treke|home | hrm, it looks like it fixed the dependencies. |
| 00:43.50 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: frotz |
| 00:44.22 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 00:45.26 | ljp | kergoth: approx how soon for the gpe tree? I can make an announcement on the gpe mailing list and get gpe users here |
| 00:45.51 | kergoth | well, we have glib2.. someone needs to add gtk2 and gpe |
| 00:45.54 | kergoth | any volunteers? |
| 00:46.27 | _Psycho | sure have to understand the stuff more |
| 00:46.29 | treke|home | ... mallum |
| 00:46.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:47.44 | DocWhat | kergoth: on the plus side, it's not gnome you're asking about... |
| 00:47.58 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:50.00 | DocWhat | kergoth: Can you give me a hint on troubleshooting this: pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/boa.postinst configure' failed: No such file or directory. |
| 00:50.03 | DocWhat | It's on install... |
| 00:50.11 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:50.14 | TheMasterMind1 | new konq is nice |
| 00:50.21 | ljp | openembedded.org needs some serious fuckin work |
| 00:50.24 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: what is different? |
| 00:50.41 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't seem to crash, there's an icon to control views |
| 00:50.42 | TheMasterMind1 | thats all i see |
| 00:50.43 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:50.46 | kergoth | DocWhat: sh -x /usr/lib/ipkg/info/boa.postinst configure |
| 00:50.47 | TheMasterMind1 | i havne't used it since last year though |
| 00:50.48 | TheMasterMind1 | so.. |
| 00:50.54 | DocWhat | kergoth: That worked. |
| 00:50.56 | TheMasterMind1 | they got rid of all the zoom levels though |
| 00:50.58 | TheMasterMind1 | thats annoying |
| 00:51.04 | TheMasterMind1 | only 25, 50, 75, 100, ... |
| 00:51.07 | kergoth | DocWhat: um, your /var _is_ mounted without ,user, right? |
| 00:51.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:51.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i like it by 10s, more control |
| 00:51.20 | DocWhat | ramfs on /var type ramfs (rw) |
| 00:51.27 | kergoth | no idea then |
| 00:51.29 | DocWhat | kergoth: yes, I install konq yesterday. |
| 00:51.30 | kergoth | well |
| 00:51.31 | DocWhat | okay. |
| 00:51.35 | kergoth | if you can run it with sh- x |
| 00:51.38 | kergoth | can you run it directly? |
| 00:51.42 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.45 | kergoth | i'm betting you cant |
| 00:51.51 | kergoth | chances are your #! line is incorrect |
| 00:52.06 | TheMasterMind1 | is it just me or did konq-e's rendering improve |
| 00:52.36 | DocWhat | yeah, it works. It pukes on a later line with ln: K0boa: File exists |
| 00:52.46 | DocWhat | (BTW: How do I allow those errors to pass...? |
| 00:54.27 | kergoth | dont have set -e in the postinst |
| 00:54.28 | DocWhat | (never mind, just add || : like in make files, duh. |
| 00:54.37 | kergoth | dont need that |
| 00:54.38 | DocWhat | kergoth: I don't? I thoght deb required it. |
| 00:54.41 | kergoth | no |
| 00:54.49 | kergoth | set -e by definition makes a script fail on any failed command. |
| 00:54.57 | kergoth | thats its entire purpose :) |
| 00:55.02 | DocWhat | yeah, I know. I figured it was a good thing. |
| 00:55.09 | kergoth | its good if thats what you want. |
| 00:55.21 | DocWhat | Of course, most people won't rerun the update stuff over and over again. |
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| 00:55.25 | kergoth | myself, I prefer explicitly exiting on failure of commands in my scripts |
| 00:55.31 | DocWhat | hmmm. |
| 00:55.54 | DocWhat | Eh, mine doesn't do anything amazing anyway. |
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| 00:56.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:56.48 | DocWhat | updatercd, who cares really? |
| 00:56.53 | DocWhat | :-D |
| 00:58.40 | DocWhat | hmmm...kergoth, will "purge" be passed into the prerm? I used ssh's prerm and postinst as examples, but the update-rc.d links aren't going away on remove. |
| 00:59.57 | DocWhat | kergoth: Found the problem. :-( |
| 01:00.04 | DocWhat | kergoth: update-rc.d is a perl script. |
| 01:00.12 | DocWhat | It is what is failing. |
| 01:00.39 | TheMasterMind1 | perl.. uhoh |
| 01:01.14 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: Yeah, aren't you working on that? |
| 01:01.16 | DocWhat | :-) |
| 01:01.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i am? |
| 01:01.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i installed frotz.. what is it? |
| 01:01.34 | DocWhat | just kidding. |
| 01:01.37 | kergoth | DocWhat: uh |
| 01:01.46 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: It's an infocom text adventure player. |
| 01:01.50 | kergoth | DocWhat: use updatercd, its a shell function in /etc/default/somethingorother |
| 01:01.59 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 01:02.04 | TheMasterMind1 | what is its config file |
| 01:02.06 | DocWhat | kergoth: okay....sshd needs it's prerm fixed, too. |
| 01:02.26 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: /etc/frotz.conf I think...lemme check, yeah. |
| 01:03.16 | DocWhat | What arguments are passed to prerm? |
| 01:04.01 | treke|home | hrm. that build went vry quickly |
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| 01:04.19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, its deleting the conf file but doesn't say "deleting frotz.conf" |
| 01:04.21 | TheMasterMind1 | thats bad |
| 01:04.51 | treke|home | kergoth: is there a way to tell buildroot that there are more than one SourceTrees to rm ? |
| 01:06.30 | TheMasterMind1 | does if(-1) evaluate to true for false |
| 01:06.40 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: true |
| 01:06.47 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: in C |
| 01:06.58 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 01:07.12 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: in C, 0 is false, everything else is true. In shell, 0 is true, everything else is false. |
| 01:08.51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 01:09.02 | TheMasterMind1 | a long time ago |
| 01:09.16 | TheMasterMind1 | i was like, wtf is this code doing here... and then i read the comment under it |
| 01:09.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i added that code |
| 01:09.39 | DocWhat | D'oh. |
| 01:09.54 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: FIX |
| 01:10.20 | DocWhat | TheMasterMind1: I put in a bug about it, btw, on handhelds.org |
| 01:10.49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:12.51 | bisho | My zarus din't flash |
| 01:13.00 | bisho | I feel somewhat stupid |
| 01:13.13 | bisho | but I don't see where i'm doing it bad... |
| 01:13.16 | bisho | mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 01:13.25 | bisho | mount it |
| 01:13.34 | bisho | download the files... |
| 01:13.41 | bisho | root@zaurus:/mnt/cf# md5sum zImage |
| 01:13.41 | bisho | 7e824fe7a67807cb3e2d940e1116a4fd zImage |
| 01:13.41 | bisho | root@zaurus:/mnt/cf# md5sum initrd.img |
| 01:13.41 | bisho | 86ff478a0bf1cc874e91b74837a53db6 initrd.img |
| 01:13.53 | bisho | md5's ok |
| 01:14.18 | kergoth | um |
| 01:14.21 | kergoth | its initrd.bin, not initrd.img |
| 01:14.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:14.29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:14.29 | kergoth | ~fishslap bisho |
| 01:14.34 | | ACTION slaps bisho up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 01:14.34 | bisho | juas |
| 01:14.34 | bisho | XD |
| 01:15.01 | bisho | XD |
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| 01:16.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ARGH |
| 01:19.54 | bisho | booting rc3.1 :) |
| 01:19.56 | bisho | thx |
| 01:27.25 | TheMasterMind1 | what in the world |
| 01:27.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg cvs is really screwy |
| 01:28.01 | kergoth | ipkg is really screwy in general :) |
| 01:28.48 | JasonNJ | sup |
| 01:28.55 | JasonNJ | back from dinner. |
| 01:28.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm i see |
| 01:29.07 | TheMasterMind1 | jamey's been working on ipkg a lot it seems |
| 01:29.12 | TheMasterMind1 | or was 10 days ago anyway |
| 01:29.25 | TheMasterMind1 | he changed conf_file_been_modified |
| 01:29.36 | TheMasterMind1 | and added ipkg_progress |
| 01:30.45 | ljp | hgmmm. someone working on ipkg? thats inconceivable! |
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| 01:37.38 | DocWhat | kergoth: Just added boa to the buildroot... |
| 01:37.51 | DocWhat | ljp: "I don't think you know the meaning of that word..." |
| 01:38.25 | JasonNJ | blargh. |
| 01:38.40 | chouimat|food | ljp: hehe |
| 01:38.58 | JasonNJ | my dogs love to lick feet |
| 01:39.09 | ljp | but a lot less haory |
| 01:39.10 | ljp | hairy |
| 01:39.28 | JasonNJ | mary mary quite contrary |
| 01:39.36 | chouimat|food | ljp: and with less sharp claws :) |
| 01:39.37 | JasonNJ | trim that pussy, its so darn hairy |
| 01:39.58 | DocWhat | ljp: At university, we had several machines like: vortex, blackhole, etc. The joke was, "If only I had a girl friend that went down every week and sucked as much as those servers do/did". |
| 01:40.03 | DocWhat | I'm gone for the night |
| 01:40.24 | chouimat|food | mmmmm natural girls |
| 01:40.37 | bisho | The dns server on the netword conf tool work well? |
| 01:40.55 | bisho | And the profiles are able to change the DNS? |
| 01:42.53 | JasonNJ | now THIS is a chick i could appreciate. |
| 01:42.55 | JasonNJ | http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030316/lthumb.1047829753.ukraine_gymnastics_grand_prix_xel104.jpg |
| 01:43.41 | chouimat|food | JasonNJ: nice |
| 01:44.19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:44.41 | chouimat|food | i dreamto many a chick able to do that in bed :) |
| 01:46.42 | JasonNJ | our new OE mascot: |
| 01:46.44 | JasonNJ | http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030302/i/1046613244.3422806080.jpg |
| 01:47.07 | JasonNJ | thats what kergoth looks like after a day of coding |
| 01:47.28 | kergoth | damnit, make me run X just to go to that url |
| 01:47.29 | kergoth | bastards |
| 01:47.38 | chouimat|food | JasonNJ: when did you take a photo of me when I wake up ? |
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| 01:48.51 | JasonNJ | man looks like theyre gonna fuel up the bombers on monday |
| 01:49.02 | ljp | kergoth: doesn links have graphics? |
| 01:49.19 | ljp | or is that only with X |
| 01:49.26 | chouimat|food | JasonNJ: he want to go |
| 01:49.42 | kergoth | it has graphics in FB |
| 01:49.54 | kergoth | but i'm using the vesa FB driver, and my tnt2 freaks if i try to up the rez |
| 01:50.37 | TheMasterMind1 | phew |
| 01:50.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 01:50.40 | TheMasterMind1 | fixed that ipkg bug |
| 01:50.51 | TheMasterMind1 | and made buildroot compile with latest ipkg cvs while i was at it |
| 01:51.11 | JasonNJ | all pray to the great googi moogli |
| 01:51.33 | kergoth | makedevs works now |
| 01:51.39 | ljp | ya, we are going to need it |
| 01:51.41 | JasonNJ | for he hath deliverth us from the ipkg bug |
| 01:51.41 | chouimat|food | JasonNJ: I think I will go find a girl really soon ... |
| 01:51.43 | kergoth | valrind |
| 01:51.44 | kergoth | ROCKS |
| 01:51.45 | kergoth | !!!! |
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| 01:52.01 | JasonNJ | valrind? |
| 01:52.06 | kergoth | valgrind rather |
| 01:52.08 | kergoth | ibot: valgrind |
| 01:52.09 | | i guess valgrind is http://developer.kde.org/~sewardj/ or first hit in Google when searching for 'valgrind'. |
| 01:52.28 | ljp | valgrind for arm?!?! |
| 01:52.33 | kergoth | eh |
| 01:52.33 | kergoth | no |
| 01:52.47 | ljp | why not? |
| 01:52.52 | ljp | :) |
| 01:53.21 | JasonNJ | so you catch the leakies in x86 mode? |
| 01:53.38 | chouimat|food | ljp: port it |
| 01:53.56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep |
| 01:54.26 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 01:54.27 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
| 01:54.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to have to edit ipkg-x86 too aren't i |
| 01:54.44 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 01:54.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:54.48 | kergoth | dontcha hate that |
| 01:54.54 | ljp | chouimat: ha! valgrind would use waaay too much memory |
| 01:55.03 | chouimat | ljp: yup |
| 01:55.09 | kergoth | so finally, my c700 gcc3 image is happy with me again |
| 01:55.10 | kergoth | woo |
| 01:55.23 | kergoth | now I can hack on the keyboard madness |
| 01:55.26 | chouimat | ljp: or but an arm cpu emulator in valgrind |
| 01:55.26 | kenb | excellent |
| 01:55.35 | _Psycho | gcc3? is that the thing that didnt wanted to compile in the buildroot ? :) hehe |
| 01:55.43 | kergoth | builds fine. |
| 01:55.51 | kergoth | after i fixed the toolchain build yesterday anyway :) |
| 01:56.01 | kergoth | speaking of which, the new toolchain is working great |
| 01:56.04 | kergoth | no builds have exploded yet |
| 01:56.07 | treke|home | hmmm. |
| 01:56.14 | kergoth | hm, food |
| 01:56.26 | _Psycho | i have way too much pizza here too bad i cant send over |
| 01:56.56 | kergoth | there's no such thing as too much pizza. |
| 01:57.03 | kergoth | theres only more leftovers, or less leftover |
| 01:57.04 | kergoth | s |
| 01:57.06 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:57.07 | ljp | cat pizza >> /dev/eth0 |
| 01:57.13 | _Psycho | i wanted 2 small, he delieved 2 medium |
| 01:57.18 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 01:57.28 | kergoth | hm |
| 01:57.30 | kergoth | i'm too broke for pizza |
| 01:57.31 | _Psycho | i have pizza for the 2 next day ! |
| 01:57.32 | ljp | ahh breakfast! |
| 01:57.33 | kergoth | ramen it is! |
| 01:57.45 | kenb | sourceforge is damn slow tonight |
| 01:57.53 | kergoth | sourceforge is damn slow most nights |
| 01:58.15 | treke|home | maybe I should compile some of the two metric tons of pasta I have |
| 01:58.15 | kenb | We're Sorry. |
| 01:58.16 | kenb | The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance. |
| 01:58.16 | kenb | We will be back shortly |
| 01:58.23 | kenb | it went boom |
| 01:58.52 | *** join/#openembedded godsmoke (~godsmoke@66.93.85.21) |
| 01:59.29 | TheMasterMind1 | what used to be in the ipkg/util/ dir? |
| 01:59.35 | godsmoke | hey all |
| 01:59.46 | treke|home | wtf. did I say compile pasta? |
| 01:59.49 | ljp | oohh, xmms oggwriter is fun |
| 01:59.57 | JasonNJ | kergoth, if your local place will take my credit card, I'll buy you a pizza |
| 02:00.02 | ljp | hahahaa |
| 02:00.06 | godsmoke | hmmm bug tracker down for maintenance? |
| 02:00.13 | _Psycho | stupid thing i just made a partition of 3 gigs for debian and its full :( i have to remove stuff sucky |
| 02:00.59 | kenb | godsmoke: yes. |
| 02:01.08 | kenb | godsmoke: it just went down about 3 minutes ago. |
| 02:01.09 | chouimat | http://quadra.sourceforge.net/ <---- sound fun |
| 02:01.13 | JasonNJ | we need a paypal pizza fund for kergoth |
| 02:01.26 | godsmoke | ah ... just tried it to see if any of the rc3.1 bugs had been fixed |
| 02:01.27 | chouimat|brb | JasonNJ: lol |
| 02:01.28 | ljp | g++ -o dinner soup.cpp |
| 02:01.30 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:01.31 | kenb | chouimat|brb: nice |
| 02:01.35 | godsmoke | guess it was bad luck that I checked right now |
| 02:01.39 | kergoth | godsmoke: most have been fixed |
| 02:01.45 | godsmoke | kergoth: cool |
| 02:01.51 | kergoth | i'm hacking on other things just now though |
| 02:01.52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: are output/staging/i386-linux/bin/ipkg-* used? |
| 02:01.56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: uh, yes. |
| 02:01.57 | godsmoke | I'm still gonna wait a couple days, as more get ironed out |
| 02:02.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: how do you think we create ipks? |
| 02:02.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ipkg-build, from ipkg's utils |
| 02:02.13 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:02.14 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | jamey deleted them from cvs |
| 02:02.27 | kergoth | yeahi know, he moved them into the ipkg-utils repo |
| 02:02.32 | kergoth | add a new buildroot package for it |
| 02:02.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ah ok |
| 02:02.39 | kergoth | i did so at some point, but dropped that tree |
| 02:02.43 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 02:02.47 | kergoth | lost a ton of changes |
| 02:02.53 | kergoth | too many buildroots, i got em mixed up |
| 02:02.57 | godsmoke | kergoth: hmm ... in the 3.1rc3.1 feed, I don't see nay files that have changed since March 13th, am I missing something? |
| 02:03.02 | kergoth | godsmoke: eh? no. |
| 02:03.06 | kergoth | godsmoke: changes occur in unstable. |
| 02:03.08 | kergoth | always. |
| 02:03.15 | JasonNJ | what rendering engine does that dillo browser for gpe use? |
| 02:03.20 | kergoth | its own, i think |
| 02:03.20 | godsmoke | oh, I meant changes to the rc3.1 |
| 02:03.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:03.28 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, its own crappy one |
| 02:03.33 | JasonNJ | we should port it to qt |
| 02:03.34 | godsmoke | (hence, possibly rc3.2 |
| 02:03.38 | kergoth | godsmoke: uh, you obviously have no idea how our branches work. |
| 02:03.43 | kergoth | godsmoke: unstable is what will become rc3.2. |
| 02:03.44 | godsmoke | maybe not... |
| 02:03.44 | TheMasterMind1 | its rendering is awful |
| 02:03.50 | JasonNJ | it sucks? |
| 02:03.51 | JasonNJ | really/ |
| 02:03.52 | kergoth | okay, here |
| 02:04.02 | kergoth | OZ stable release = testing -> stable |
| 02:04.04 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ: its fast and gtk thats why its used so much i think |
| 02:04.17 | kergoth | OZ rc = unstable -> testing |
| 02:04.27 | kergoth | 3.0 = stable |
| 02:04.28 | godsmoke | ok |
| 02:04.29 | TheMasterMind1 | konq-e has better rendering |
| 02:04.31 | kergoth | 3.1-rc3.1 = testing |
| 02:04.36 | kergoth | unstable = what will become the next rc |
| 02:04.50 | JasonNJ | I think eventually when we move to the new Qt 3.x stuff with the new khtml it will rock |
| 02:04.50 | kenb | man, I wish libtool worke don RH 8.0. Does it work on 7.3 ? |
| 02:04.58 | godsmoke | but I mean ... testing bugs, if they are severe, continue to remain in testing, until the update from unstable? |
| 02:05.11 | kenb | godsmoke: pretty much |
| 02:05.13 | kergoth | godsmoke: for now, yes. |
| 02:05.23 | godsmoke | in all other dev branches I've seem. they still continue to fix major bugs in testing and stable |
| 02:05.30 | kergoth | our infrastructure doesnt easily facilitate individual package moves without manual |
| 02:05.32 | godsmoke | they aren't stationary |
| 02:05.43 | kergoth | and manual package moves will be a bitch to manage and keep track of |
| 02:05.45 | godsmoke | ok ... just trying to wrap my head around this :) |
| 02:05.50 | kergoth | godsmoke: I know how others work |
| 02:05.53 | kergoth | godsmoke: and i know how i want this to work |
| 02:05.59 | kergoth | godsmoke: but our infrastructure doesnt facilitate it yet. |
| 02:06.20 | godsmoke | ok, fine, I'm not attacking you or the branch system |
| 02:06.23 | kergoth | I want a central db to keep track of what individual package versions are in all of our branches |
| 02:06.33 | kergoth | so opackage moves between them would be automatic |
| 02:06.43 | kenb | that would be nice... |
| 02:06.50 | kenb | but it'll be a bigass DB |
| 02:06.54 | kergoth | yep, it will. |
| 02:06.57 | kenb | since for OE, we'll have different targets. |
| 02:07.02 | kergoth | our new infrastructure will already use a DB |
| 02:07.08 | kenb | arm4v/arm3v/x86/etc.... |
| 02:07.14 | kergoth | we just need a way to tag individual items as being within a branch |
| 02:07.31 | kergoth | or rather, speficically, as being a part of a certain distribution |
| 02:07.38 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone feel like adding ipkg-utils to the buildroot? |
| 02:07.40 | kenb | that'd be more important. |
| 02:07.41 | kergoth | adn then below that, a means of tagging it as being a certain branch/tag of that distribution |
| 02:07.44 | kenb | sort of like CVS tagging. |
| 02:07.48 | kergoth | since its distro agnostic |
| 02:07.49 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:07.51 | kenb | yup |
| 02:07.58 | kenb | So I could tag all the shit in my webpal distro |
| 02:07.59 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm past my ipkg-tolerance level for today |
| 02:08.02 | kergoth | this all fits quite well into the new infrastructure, so its no worries |
| 02:08.08 | kenb | kergoth: good to know |
| 02:08.09 | kergoth | kenb: consider tagging as a more advanced form of def-configs |
| 02:08.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:08.16 | kenb | kergoth: perfect. |
| 02:08.17 | chouimat|brb | kergoth: svn work wells |
| 02:08.28 | kergoth | chouimat|brb: i dnot give a fuck |
| 02:08.36 | kergoth | this system doesnt rely on any revision control system |
| 02:08.39 | kergoth | its completely independent |
| 02:08.44 | chouimat|brb | kergoth: I know |
| 02:08.53 | kergoth | I dont want it relying on features of its envirionment |
| 02:08.55 | kergoth | in any way |
| 02:09.16 | kergoth | I need to work on the new buildsystem some |
| 02:09.35 | kergoth | schurig has been the only one doing anything with it, after i pulled in the portage parser modified to work with .oe format |
| 02:09.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:10.34 | JasonNJ | god I love autopr0n.com |
| 02:10.38 | JasonNJ | man this chick is hot |
| 02:10.40 | JasonNJ | http://autopr0n.com/framex.htm?http://www.erobeauty.com/10041/ |
| 02:10.53 | godsmoke | does the oz feed work with the QT "installation over networks" feature? |
| 02:12.11 | kergoth | eh |
| 02:12.14 | kergoth | thats what a feed is |
| 02:12.23 | kergoth | its not a feed if you cant use ipkg to install from it over the network |
| 02:12.34 | kergoth | without a Packages file its no longer a feed, its just a dir full of packages |
| 02:12.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:12.50 | godsmoke | right ... I was just confirming, because it seems to be having a problem, at least for me |
| 02:13.36 | kergoth | SF is being a bitch, as usual |
| 02:13.38 | kergoth | we host on SF. |
| 02:13.44 | godsmoke | hmm |
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| 02:13.52 | godsmoke | well, I can access the feed fine from my home computer |
| 02:14.04 | godsmoke | it just seems like the Z doesn't want to do anything with that feed |
| 02:14.05 | kergoth | ipkg install pizza |
| 02:14.10 | godsmoke | :) |
| 02:14.24 | kergoth | ipkg install -d /mnt/mystomach pizza |
| 02:14.27 | kergoth | ipkg-link add pizza |
| 02:14.28 | kergoth | :D |
| 02:15.57 | godsmoke | ah, there it goes ... typical QT being annoying |
| 02:16.37 | kergoth | qt is a library |
| 02:16.53 | ljp | hmm what device is mystomach attached too? |
| 02:17.11 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.54 | ljp | cat pizza >> /dev/stomach is faster |
| 02:18.04 | kergoth | true |
| 02:19.43 | ljp | although you migh have to check for buffer overflows |
| 02:20.12 | kergoth | nah, the device should return error when full |
| 02:20.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:20.31 | ljp | oh. sometimes it doesnt |
| 02:20.39 | kergoth | hm, must be a bug in the stomach driver |
| 02:21.03 | ljp | ya maybe written by Lineo |
| 02:21.13 | chouimat|brb | kergoth: nah /dev/stomach is a pipe to /dev/intestin |
| 02:21.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:21.22 | kergoth | no its not |
| 02:21.26 | kergoth | its a big FIFO |
| 02:21.28 | sheenmaster | http://opie.info/~opielook/ |
| 02:21.29 | sheenmaster | yay! |
| 02:21.35 | kergoth | that ends up redirecting to the intestine :) |
| 02:21.49 | TheMasterMind1 | grrr! |
| 02:21.55 | chouimat|brb | kergoth: ok with a poopd somewhere :) |
| 02:21.56 | godsmoke | hahah ... Ellen Feiss!! |
| 02:22.01 | kenb | heh |
| 02:22.04 | kenb | "Stoned" |
| 02:22.06 | TheMasterMind1 | why when i do make SUBDIRS=packages/package clean package, it cleans all the dependencies also |
| 02:22.15 | godsmoke | yeah ... that commercial is famous |
| 02:22.31 | sheenmaster | godsmoke: http://frob.us/modules.php?name=fLameBoarding |
| 02:22.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hey! |
| 02:22.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: docwhat reported that |
| 02:22.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mine doesnt do that though |
| 02:22.40 | sheenmaster | godsmoke: I put Ellen Feiss into my snowboarding game. |
| 02:22.45 | godsmoke | hahah |
| 02:22.46 | godsmoke | cool |
| 02:22.49 | sheenmaster | godsmoke: a bit to processor-intensive for the zaurus |
| 02:23.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: mine's always done that |
| 02:23.03 | treke|home | hrmmm. the "oven timer" is going off. |
| 02:23.04 | kergoth | eh |
| 02:23.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: does make nodeps_packages/package clean work? |
| 02:23.32 | sheenmaster | godsmoke: too* |
| 02:23.43 | sheenmaster | godsmoke: awake for several days without enough caffeine |
| 02:23.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats it supposed to do |
| 02:24.08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: clean that package only. |
| 02:24.15 | kergoth | nodeps_ recurses into a dir without following deps. |
| 02:24.27 | kergoth | because the deps in .depends dont talk about the nodeps_ versions of the targets. |
| 02:24.43 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 02:24.52 | kergoth | does it work? |
| 02:25.41 | TheMasterMind1 | one sec |
| 02:25.48 | kergoth | k |
| 02:26.07 | TheMasterMind1 | well, if i do make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg-utils clean |
| 02:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | thats fine |
| 02:26.17 | kergoth | no, i mean do a clean on something with dependencies |
| 02:26.18 | TheMasterMind1 | but if i do "clean package" it cleans all deps |
| 02:26.22 | kergoth | oh |
| 02:26.26 | kergoth | yes, thats not surprising |
| 02:26.28 | kergoth | i never made that work |
| 02:26.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:26.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:26.36 | kergoth | i'll do it one of these days |
| 02:26.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ok then |
| 02:27.02 | kergoth | hm, i think i can fix that easy |
| 02:27.03 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 02:27.06 | TheMasterMind1 | new ipkg mess is pushed |
| 02:27.08 | kergoth | bout 2-3 lines in the make rules |
| 02:27.20 | TheMasterMind1 | someone check to make sure i didn't fuck it all up :) |
| 02:27.35 | kergoth | heh, i havent done a pull in days |
| 02:27.39 | kergoth | been all busy in my shit |
| 02:27.42 | kergoth | i didnt even pull vim adn stuff yet |
| 02:27.49 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:28.07 | kergoth | takepatch: 84 new revisions, 2 conflicts in 28 files |
| 02:28.10 | kergoth | coulda been worse |
| 02:29.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 02:29.53 | TheMasterMind1 | when i did it last week |
| 02:30.00 | TheMasterMind1 | it was huge |
| 02:30.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:30.08 | kergoth | thats when i was fucking with shit all over the tree |
| 02:30.11 | TheMasterMind1 | that bash script was erroring out because of "too many arguments" |
| 02:30.12 | kergoth | pushed like 300 revisions or something |
| 02:30.16 | kergoth | haha |
| 02:30.17 | bisho | In the AQPkg if you are installing things and go to the desktop, and return to the program you get the pkg list, not the installation process |
| 02:30.24 | kergoth | bisho: report it |
| 02:30.25 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 02:30.26 | | opie bugs is probably http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 02:30.43 | bisho | ok |
| 02:31.05 | TheMasterMind1 | the blue circle thing in aqpkg is weird looking |
| 02:31.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:31.40 | kergoth | you ever notice |
| 02:31.49 | kergoth | bk -r co and bk -r edit check out files in BitKeeper/deleted |
| 02:31.58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, nope, i always do -q |
| 02:32.05 | kergoth | I'd rather check those out _manually_ |
| 02:32.09 | kergoth | cause its pretty rare i need them |
| 02:32.15 | kergoth | wonder if theres a way to do that |
| 02:32.20 | kergoth | would speed up bk -r co |
| 02:32.27 | TheMasterMind1 | yea well, it is recursive |
| 02:32.29 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you exepct |
| 02:32.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:32.38 | kergoth | i wanna block out dirs from bk -r co |
| 02:32.40 | kergoth | :0 |
| 02:32.46 | numatrix | Not sure if this has already been fixed, but it looks like debian updated openssh_3.5p1-4.diff.gz to openssh_3.5p1-5.diff.gz |
| 02:32.49 | TheMasterMind1 | rmdir |
| 02:33.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: um, bk rm puts files in deleted |
| 02:33.03 | NeoTron | dang, a Porsche SUV. |
| 02:33.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk rm of a deleted file.. wonder if thatd just put it back in deleted again? |
| 02:33.15 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: we're still using 4 |
| 02:33.18 | chouimat|music | NeoTron: price? |
| 02:33.18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 02:33.24 | NeoTron | starting at $88k |
| 02:33.25 | NeoTron | or so |
| 02:33.32 | chouimat|music | NeoTron: US? |
| 02:33.35 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: right, but 4 isn't where the buildroot wants to find it anymore. |
| 02:33.36 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 02:33.42 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: k |
| 02:33.53 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.53 | NeoTron | MSRP: (CAN) $125,100 |
| 02:34.18 | NeoTron | http://www2.us.porsche.com/english/usa/cayenne/cayenneturbo/default.htm |
| 02:34.45 | _Psycho | weird |
| 02:35.19 | NeoTron | is there really no nslookup in Debian anymore? |
| 02:35.20 | NeoTron | grr |
| 02:35.28 | kergoth | eh? |
| 02:35.30 | kergoth | apt-get install dnsutils |
| 02:35.38 | kergoth | afaik |
| 02:35.43 | kergoth | unless they ditched it in favor of host |
| 02:35.58 | kergoth | it was deprecated for quite a while |
| 02:36.03 | numatrix | deprecated for dig, wasn't it? |
| 02:36.03 | NeoTron | I know |
| 02:36.07 | NeoTron | but I still like it at times |
| 02:36.10 | numatrix | kergoth: I think host was deprecated too |
| 02:36.12 | kergoth | well dig is huge |
| 02:36.14 | ljp | apt-get laid is _still_ broken |
| 02:36.15 | NeoTron | numatrix: it's not |
| 02:36.21 | kergoth | host is the preferred quick tool for it |
| 02:36.25 | NeoTron | I don't particularily like dig |
| 02:36.25 | kergoth | dig is the advanced tool |
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| 02:36.30 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: the one in cvs works |
| 02:36.30 | kergoth | i love dig when i need it |
| 02:36.34 | kergoth | which isnt very often |
| 02:36.42 | NeoTron | too complicated syntax to remember. :P |
| 02:36.47 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:36.53 | kergoth | dig @dnserver hostname |
| 02:36.54 | kergoth | dig @dnserver hostname mx |
| 02:36.54 | jasonnj-5600 | heh now i can irc in bed |
| 02:36.57 | kergoth | simple enough |
| 02:37.01 | numatrix | ok, I prefer host for quick stuff myself, I think I'm confusing my picky bosses wishes with deprecation. ;-) He'd rather we used dig. |
| 02:37.23 | kergoth | thats stupid. |
| 02:37.26 | kergoth | dig is a beast |
| 02:37.29 | numatrix | jasonnj-5600: how much battery time do you get on the wireless? |
| 02:37.31 | kergoth | you need something small and qquick |
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| 02:37.56 | numatrix | kergoth: The main reason he's picky about it is because we do campus dns and in a very few situations you can be misled if you only use host, while dig gives you the full story. |
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| 02:38.16 | numatrix | 40k+ users get very pissy when their dns goes down, so he likes us to be careful. |
| 02:38.26 | ljp | numatrix: obviously not very much |
| 02:38.35 | jasonnj-5600 | hmm this is a socket card |
| 02:38.40 | numatrix | ljp: ;-) Must have been him plugging in the power. ;-) |
| 02:38.47 | jasonnj-5600 | id say over an hour |
| 02:38.59 | numatrix | jasonnj-5600: Well I guess that's better than the 5500 at least... |
| 02:39.40 | numatrix | NeoTron: Tell me that doesn't look like the hyundai santa fe: http://www.hyundaiusa.com |
| 02:39.49 | jasonnj-5600 | man opie irc sux |
| 02:39.54 | kergoth | jasonnj-5600: irssi? |
| 02:39.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:40.05 | _Psycho | going to try santa fee tomorow, (since im buying a car this week) |
| 02:40.10 | numatrix | I like irssi, but I've still got a long way to go just to figure it out. |
| 02:40.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:40.15 | TheMasterMind1 | pusing ssh fix |
| 02:40.16 | _Psycho | but my choice is the mitsubishi lancer to far |
| 02:40.19 | _Psycho | so* |
| 02:40.21 | TheMasterMind1 | or not.. |
| 02:40.31 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: great thanks. whoops... or not. ;-) |
| 02:40.37 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:40.39 | TheMasterMind1 | someone pushed something |
| 02:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | gotta pull it first |
| 02:41.14 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: there |
| 02:41.14 | jasonnj-5600 | this is cool i can watch the channel if my wife is watching some crap tv show |
| 02:41.15 | ljp | whats wrong with opie-irc? |
| 02:41.43 | jasonnj-5600 | it errors out sometimes |
| 02:41.49 | chouimat|music | NeoTron: that porsche is very nice |
| 02:41.51 | numatrix | jasonnj-5600: We can give you running commentary on better television going on. ;-) |
| 02:42.00 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 02:42.30 | kergoth | NeoTron: cause .. redhat sucks! |
| 02:42.43 | NeoTron | debian doesn't even have anything like chkconfig does it? |
| 02:42.46 | jasonnj-5600 | neotron gimme a feed so i can paly snails |
| 02:42.53 | kergoth | yeah it does, but its syntax is complex |
| 02:43.14 | NeoTron | jasonnj-5600: there is no feed, no package. not even packable. :P |
| 02:43.22 | jasonnj-5600 | u suk |
| 02:43.24 | NeoTron | kergoth: so you say redhat sucks? :P |
| 02:43.32 | kergoth | NeoTron: yep |
| 02:43.33 | chouimat|music | NeoTron: planning a desktop version? |
| 02:43.50 | NeoTron | chouimat|music: of snails? |
| 02:43.57 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot.png |
| 02:43.59 | chouimat|music | yup |
| 02:44.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i want to run OE on my laptop |
| 02:44.43 | jasonnj-5600 | snails looks kool |
| 02:44.43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fix the x86 build target |
| 02:45.05 | TheMasterMind1 | whats wrong with it |
| 02:45.26 | kergoth | i fixed most of the problems |
| 02:45.33 | kergoth | first of all, it was copying our ARM config.cache in every build |
| 02:45.33 | kergoth | etc |
| 02:45.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ooof, sf is down |
| 02:45.38 | jasonnj-5600 | oe would be good for old underpowered laptops |
| 02:45.40 | kergoth | so i created def-tests |
| 02:45.42 | kergoth | and shit |
| 02:45.45 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 02:45.48 | kergoth | but i dunno if it builds |
| 02:45.49 | kergoth | try it |
| 02:45.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:45.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ok.. |
| 02:46.09 | ljp | needs oe based on ELKS |
| 02:46.16 | chouimat|music | jasonnj-5600: yup one my thinkpad 760ed if I can found a new floppy drive or cdrom drive |
| 02:46.51 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so if it builds stuff its fine? |
| 02:46.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: theoretically, yeah |
| 02:47.04 | kergoth | like i said, i've never tried it |
| 02:47.35 | NeoTron | ahhaa |
| 02:47.42 | NeoTron | did --del and then --add and it worked. wrf |
| 02:51.26 | TheMasterMind1 | time for deadzone |
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| 02:56.08 | Piete | hey guys :) |
| 02:56.14 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:57.14 | numatrix | so should packages/ipkg-utils be an empty directory? make oldconfig won't run due to a lack of config.in in that dir. |
| 02:57.28 | kergoth | bk -r co -q. |
| 02:57.49 | bisho | snails is cool |
| 02:57.51 | Piete | I have a couple of questions.. Since last night, OZ 3.1 rc 3.1 won't detect any of my CF devices anymore (wlan card and flash card).. I *would* submit a bug report, but the 'bugs' link on openzaurus.org seems to have a problem. ("An error occured in the logger.") |
| 02:57.57 | bisho | there is something similar in OZ? |
| 02:58.07 | numatrix | kergoth: that did it; how did that fix it? |
| 02:58.08 | kergoth | Piete: then its SF misbehaving |
| 02:58.12 | kergoth | bisho: neo is porting snails to qtopia |
| 02:58.16 | kergoth | numatrix: uh, bk pull doesnt check files out |
| 02:58.18 | bisho | yum |
| 02:58.21 | Piete | kergoth: thought as much ;) |
| 02:58.25 | kergoth | bk push/pull exchange chagnesets between your repository and others |
| 02:58.32 | kergoth | bk co checks files out of your local repository |
| 02:58.39 | kergoth | remember, you local bk dir _isnt_ like a cvs checkout |
| 02:58.47 | kergoth | its a full fledged repository that you can check files into and out of |
| 03:00.21 | Piete | Opie-clock's stopwatch function has gone bezerk (I tried it out of all the feeds).. and emerging konq/e wants to mess with qt/embedded |
| 03:00.35 | Piete | emerge/install :) |
| 03:01.24 | chouimat|music | sheenmaster: any dvd ripper on macosx? |
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| 03:07.08 | Piete | chouimat|music: I'm not sure if mplayer works on macos X, but it should work :) |
| 03:07.23 | Piete | I mean, if it does worn on OSX, it should be able to rip dvds |
| 03:07.29 | Piete | s/worn/work |
| 03:07.32 | bisho | The task-opie's dependecy libelfg0 couln't be satisfied... |
| 03:09.14 | chouimat|music | Piete: DVD to avi or dvix? |
| 03:09.38 | Piete | chouimat|music: yup, it works nicely on linux |
| 03:09.43 | Piete | mencoder is speedy |
| 03:10.12 | chouimat|music | Piete: it's for my brother who just bought a g4 |
| 03:10.22 | Piete | http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17612 |
| 03:10.28 | Piete | mencoder for osx |
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| 03:11.22 | sheenmaster | chouimat|music: why are you asking me? |
| 03:11.53 | sheenmaster | chouimat|music: I use Linux, OS X gets 2gb and 9 gets 1gb for games and testing of Mac ports. |
| 03:12.28 | chouimat|music | sheenmaster: because you have os x so .... |
| 03:12.33 | sheenmaster | chouimat|music: I love appple hardware, and see OS X as the best "desktop" os, but a desktop os won't cut it for my needs. |
| 03:12.49 | sheenmaster | chouimat|music: I rarely ever use OS X |
| 03:12.54 | sheenmaster | chouimat|music: im cubeman |
| 03:13.05 | sheenmaster | chouimat|music: on aim, postron@frob.us on email or jabber |
| 03:13.12 | sheenmaster | chouimat|music: he would probably know |
| 03:13.31 | chouimat|music | sheenmaster: ok |
| 03:14.13 | treke|home | Piete: its somewhere you havent looked yet |
| 03:14.25 | Piete | treke|home: hehehe |
| 03:14.34 | kergoth | treke|home: you're so helpful :) |
| 03:14.43 | kergoth | god this bug is annoying me |
| 03:14.45 | treke|home | I know |
| 03:14.47 | kergoth | damn tinylogin |
| 03:15.08 | Piete | treke|home: I don't think it is in my underwear drawer.... |
| 03:15.19 | treke|home | then it most certainly is |
| 03:15.25 | ljp | try the clothes hamper |
| 03:15.51 | kergoth | check the fridge |
| 03:16.05 | kergoth | i've found some weird shit in my fridge |
| 03:16.10 | kergoth | that i just sat down when i grabbed something |
| 03:16.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:16.13 | treke|home | check the dvd rack |
| 03:16.24 | chouimat|music | kenb: is it alive |
| 03:16.29 | treke|home | that's usually where I put mine |
| 03:16.31 | Piete | Ah! found it :) It was behind my router and cable modem... |
| 03:16.32 | chouimat|music | s/kenb/kergoth |
| 03:16.34 | Piete | how did it get there... |
| 03:16.50 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit |
| 03:16.51 | kenb | ? |
| 03:16.52 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit |
| 03:16.55 | kenb | ? |
| 03:17.00 | kergoth | if i run login, i get a prompt, and login and life is good |
| 03:17.10 | kergoth | if i run getty, which runs login, i get a prompt, and login, and it hangs |
| 03:17.15 | kergoth | sh sits there hung indefinately |
| 03:17.17 | kergoth | never get a prompt |
| 03:17.21 | kergoth | its fucking weird. |
| 03:17.21 | kenb | hm. |
| 03:17.24 | kergoth | and if i strace -f getty |
| 03:17.27 | kergoth | strace segfaults :( |
| 03:17.32 | kenb | c700 ? |
| 03:17.52 | kergoth | yeah, c700 gcc3 rom no less |
| 03:18.18 | kenb | sounds like getty is failing to pass login a parameter or environment variable |
| 03:18.31 | kergoth | yeah, but why does it work just fine non-gcc3? |
| 03:18.32 | kergoth | :D |
| 03:18.43 | kenb | ah. that you didn't say. |
| 03:18.50 | kenb | So it's getty bug, probably. |
| 03:19.02 | kergoth | most likely |
| 03:19.04 | kergoth | tinylogin |
| 03:19.54 | treke|home | hrm. this isnt good |
| 03:20.03 | kergoth | ah, i'll test a gcc2 built tinylogin ipk in this image |
| 03:20.07 | Piete | My dvd rom always seems to have a problem with my matrix dvd.. sometimes it takes *ages* for it to, mm "aquire" the dvd.. Sometimes it hard-locks linux.. its weird |
| 03:20.13 | treke|home | # ls /lib/modules/ |
| 03:20.17 | treke|home | 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh3 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh4 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh6 |
| 03:20.32 | kergoth | eh, how many kernels are you messing with? |
| 03:20.38 | treke|home | one :) |
| 03:21.12 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:21.30 | treke|home | hrm. clean-binary doesnt appear to do what I thought it did |
| 03:21.38 | kergoth | all it does is make -C $(SourceTree) clean |
| 03:21.42 | kergoth | and deletes the binary stamp |
| 03:21.51 | kergoth | if you want it to do more, override the target in your makefile |
| 03:21.55 | treke|home | well. I guess I'll be doing more testing... tomorrrow! |
| 03:22.08 | treke|home | for some reason I thought it cleaned the ipks |
| 03:22.45 | kergoth | clean-ipk probably does that |
| 03:23.01 | Piete | heh, the building next to the one I work in burnt to the ground last night.. It was completely renovated just last week... |
| 03:23.19 | treke|home | oh well. soon build will be very fast |
| 03:24.02 | kergoth | indeed, i could use that kind of cpu power.. hint hint |
| 03:24.03 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:24.25 | treke|home | hehe. I can offer you a geforce 2, but thats it :) |
| 03:25.58 | Piete | this looks nice : http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 03:26.16 | treke|home | they are slow mofos :) |
| 03:26.58 | Piete | neat idea though :) |
| 03:27.18 | treke|home | yeah |
| 03:27.42 | treke|home | lost my copy of the agenda source :( |
| 03:27.47 | Piete | :( |
| 03:28.15 | Piete | grrr, this drive still hasn't aquired the dvd.. and its making strange noises.. |
| 03:28.44 | treke|home | its a shame, I havent seen it anywhere since |
| 03:28.47 | Piete | its fine with all my other dvds.. its just the Matrix one that it has probs with |
| 03:28.48 | ljp | ok, send that drive to me, I'll make it work ;) |
| 03:29.14 | Piete | ljp: nahh, its Mine! My preciousssssss. you wants to takes it from us!!! |
| 03:29.18 | ljp | maybe that matrix dvd is fried |
| 03:29.27 | Piete | ljp: probably.. |
| 03:29.56 | Piete | its a combo drive.. 12x cdrw, 4x dvd and 24x cdrom.. |
| 03:30.26 | Piete | It works great :) I write at 12x all the time, and I haven't had a single buffer underrun |
| 03:30.55 | ljp | buffer underrun is fun to say |
| 03:31.02 | Piete | hehe |
| 03:31.29 | ljp | 'hey! look at her buffer underrun!' |
| 03:31.41 | Piete | *grin* |
| 03:32.05 | ljp | 'she's got a fine buffer underrun' |
| 03:32.58 | Piete | nahh |
| 03:34.05 | Piete | I'm out.. later |
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| 03:34.43 | Com[Plex] | has the new opie-taskbar been uploaded yet? |
| 03:34.56 | treke|home | new taskbar? |
| 03:36.19 | Com[Plex] | well heres the thing treke. this business with the path, and some apps not starting right, - I was told that the fix would be found in opie-taskbar. - it doesnt make any sense to me. but thats what I was told. |
| 03:36.36 | kergoth`bbl | its not the path thats broken |
| 03:36.45 | kergoth`bbl | its opie that was depending on things it shouldnt have been. |
| 03:36.56 | Com[Plex] | right, thats what i mean. |
| 03:37.00 | kergoth`bbl | it expected /sbin to be in the path. bad assumption |
| 03:37.45 | Com[Plex] | so.. |
| 03:37.59 | Com[Plex] | the fix will be in opie-taskbar tho.. right? |
| 03:38.21 | ljp | hmmm. whats it looking for? |
| 03:38.58 | kergoth`bbl | Com[Plex]: the fix for the shutdown/reboot bug is in opie-taskbar |
| 03:38.59 | Com[Plex] | haha, dude, I bought my friends zaurus off him because he needed money, - and I planned on selling it for what I paid for, to another friend who wants a cool handheld. but heres the thing. - I cant part with em. |
| 03:39.08 | kergoth`bbl | the fix for the fbvncserver wont start bug is in fbvncserver |
| 03:39.21 | Com[Plex] | k.. |
| 03:39.35 | Com[Plex] | is it updated? |
| 03:40.31 | Com[Plex] | I had problems with the tssim not loading, starting, whatever. - finally managed to get it working tho.. but im not sure what I finally did. |
| 03:41.37 | Com[Plex] | hehe. now I have two zaurii on side by side, almost constantly. I should experiment with beaming. |
| 03:44.47 | ljp | you will need the new obex stuff |
| 03:52.23 | numatrix | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `busybox-0.60.3/libbb.a', needed by `ipkg'. Stop. |
| 03:52.29 | numatrix | I seem to remember seeing that before, but forget what fixed it. |
| 03:57.09 | numatrix | ~logs |
| 03:57.11 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 04:01.59 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 04:02.30 | TheMasterMind1 | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `iopl.o', needed by `stamp.o'. Stop. |
| 04:02.30 | TheMasterMind1 | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/agupta/buildroot/build/glibc-2.2.4/misc' |
| 04:03.56 | numatrix | Ok, the bug was a problem in ipkg, but it was fixed before. I wonder if it was reintroduced. |
| 04:04.10 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: what bug |
| 04:04.17 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: the libbb thing above. |
| 04:04.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:04.27 | TheMasterMind1 | wipe and rebuild |
| 04:04.30 | TheMasterMind1 | sources too |
| 04:04.34 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: I just did. :-) |
| 04:04.39 | TheMasterMind1 | sources also? |
| 04:04.42 | TheMasterMind1 | clean-sources |
| 04:04.42 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: this was from a fresh get earlier. |
| 04:04.49 | TheMasterMind1 | when earlier |
| 04:04.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i pushed a change about an hour ago |
| 04:05.00 | TheMasterMind1 | that grabs a newer cvs |
| 04:05.01 | numatrix | I wiped absolutely everything out. Umm, this evening. I can try it again though. Ok, lemme do thta. |
| 04:05.08 | numatrix | Cool. Will do. |
| 04:05.29 | numatrix | What's the syntax for subdirs with multiple dirs again? |
| 04:05.39 | numatrix | make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg,packages/busybox ? |
| 04:05.45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:05.50 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean-sources |
| 04:05.52 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean |
| 04:05.54 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg package |
| 04:05.56 | TheMasterMind1 | that should do it |
| 04:06.00 | numatrix | ok, cool. |
| 04:10.02 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: that did it. By the way, it doesn't look like iptables builds. Any idea who added that to the buildroot? |
| 04:15.42 | numatrix | Does the qt package build normally include -I/usr/X11R6/include ? |
| 04:15.53 | TheMasterMind1 | shouldn't |
| 04:16.02 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno about iptables |
| 04:16.06 | TheMasterMind1 | thats been around for a while i think |
| 04:17.35 | kergoth`bbl | iptables was added by hardwire -ages- ago |
| 04:17.46 | kergoth`bbl | i dont think its been touched sine |
| 04:17.47 | kergoth`bbl | since |
| 04:20.40 | treke|home | dunno who would actually want it |
| 04:21.03 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:21.35 | TheMasterMind1 | you could route a network at a lan party through a computer with usb via the zaurus' wifi |
| 04:21.45 | TheMasterMind1 | if you didn't have any other wifi cards |
| 04:25.44 | treke|home | or you could bring a 40 dollar router |
| 04:25.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. but if you forgot.. |
| 04:25.59 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 04:35.30 | treke|home | cool. it's clean-ipk |
| 04:43.16 | bisho | ipkg-link mount /mnt/cf/fs |
| 04:43.17 | bisho | *** Command: mount |
| 04:43.17 | bisho | *** Command: add |
| 04:43.17 | bisho | *** Locating package |
| 04:43.17 | bisho | Package "apmd" not found. |
| 04:43.17 | bisho | *** Command: add |
| 04:43.19 | bisho | *** Locating package |
| 04:43.21 | bisho | Package "bash" not found. |
| 04:43.24 | bisho | *** Command: add |
| 04:43.26 | bisho | *** Locating package |
| 04:43.28 | bisho | ... |
| 04:43.29 | bisho | Anybody know why is failing? |
| 04:44.04 | hardwire | hehe |
| 04:44.07 | hardwire | iptables onn a Z |
| 04:44.15 | hardwire | how freaking stupid would that be ;) |
| 04:44.27 | hardwire | who would want to firewall their pda.. HEH!.. dumb |
| 04:44.45 | hardwire | or have their PDA act as an access point with hostap.. HAHA.. duuumb |
| 04:44.52 | NeoTron | anyone wants to try a network game of snails with me that is not on my beta list? :P |
| 04:44.58 | bisho | If your are runing with a wireless could be desirable |
| 04:57.16 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 04:58.23 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:58.30 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:14.59 | Com[Plex] | why is there so much delay on suspending rc3.1? |
| 05:15.16 | scanline | the gnomes are tired |
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| 05:15.47 | chouimat|Zzzz | scanline: huh? |
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| 05:16.02 | scanline | you know there's a little man inside your zaurus that makes it work, right? |
| 05:16.09 | scanline | he gets tired after a while |
| 05:16.42 | chouimat|Zzzz | scanline: yup, they're expensive too, just look at the last check I give to them :) |
| 05:17.06 | scanline | indeed |
| 05:17.17 | scanline | likely to go on strike if they don't get enough alcohol... |
| 05:17.24 | scanline | that's what the CF slot is really for |
| 05:17.56 | chouimat|Zzzz | scanline: and if they don'tr have enough time withe gnomette |
| 05:18.11 | scanline | indeed. hence the IR interface |
| 05:18.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | scanline: teh sd interface is for the child 1 weekend every two weeks? |
| 05:19.05 | scanline | hah |
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| 05:19.45 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: the usb-storage again? |
| 05:20.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:21.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: poor you |
| 05:42.22 | treke|home | hrm. grepping in buildroot takes a while :) |
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| 05:57.27 | treke|home | ok. there is no longer any fricken sign of hh3 in my tree |
| 06:14.55 | treke|home | there we go. I have bested it! |
| 06:21.24 | Com[Plex] | ibot feed |
| 06:21.25 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.org/official/{stable,testing,unstable}/feed, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
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| 07:17.50 | treke|home | sweet. kernel works as done networking |
| 07:18.09 | kergoth | as done networking? |
| 07:18.21 | kergoth | s/done/does/? |
| 07:18.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:18.34 | treke|home | kergoth: as in the hostap driver doesnt cause the kernel to panic :) |
| 07:18.41 | kergoth | nice |
| 07:18.53 | kergoth | oh thats what i should do, split usbd out of all of our kernel sources |
| 07:18.55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 07:19.07 | kergoth | brb |
| 07:19.12 | treke|home | I've been trying to avoid going back to 2.4.18 since 3900s requir 19 |
| 07:20.43 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 07:41.12 | treke|home | wee. bad opie build :) |
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| 08:00.57 | treke|home | hrm. shouldnt LIBC depend on KERNEL || KERNEL-HEADERS? |
| 08:03.03 | NeoTron | fix your opie! ;-) |
| 08:03.20 | treke|home | NeoTron: what do you think I'm doing :) |
| 08:03.24 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 08:03.28 | NeoTron | no shit? :) |
| 08:06.16 | treke|home | oh well. opie should be fixed in 45 minutes.sadly I wont be awake then |
| 08:06.51 | kergoth | no, LIBC shouldnt depend on KERNEL |
| 08:06.55 | kergoth | its not longer necessary |
| 08:07.01 | kergoth | er no |
| 08:07.04 | kergoth | s/not/no/ |
| 08:07.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:07.14 | kergoth | treke|home: vi .config, make sure KERNEL-HEADERS is y |
| 08:07.27 | kergoth | it defaults to y, but if you used a previous buildroot incarnation it couldve been inadvertantly set to n |
| 08:07.29 | treke|home | kergoth: it was yes. I'm just not getting why it wasnt yes earlier :) |
| 08:07.44 | kergoth | eh |
| 08:08.10 | kergoth | ? |
| 08:08.15 | kergoth | no, its not. |
| 08:08.21 | kergoth | we build glibc with --enable-kernel=2.4.6 |
| 08:08.42 | kergoth | at least in the 2.3.1 build, i havent hacked on the 2.2.4 makefile in quite some time |
| 08:08.49 | kergoth | it could use updating |
| 08:08.51 | treke|home | kergoth: wouldnt it extract itself right over the current kernel? |
| 08:08.58 | kergoth | uh |
| 08:08.58 | kergoth | no |
| 08:09.01 | kergoth | read the makefile. |
| 08:10.16 | treke|home | ah your forcing it into another directory |
| 08:10.23 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:10.35 | kergoth | actually, I may be making every bulid do that |
| 08:10.55 | kergoth | make BUILD_DIR actually be build/$(Name)-$(Version) |
| 08:11.02 | kergoth | so every package would be kept seperate |
| 08:11.05 | treke|home | not a bad idea |
| 08:11.09 | kergoth | and version changes would force a reextract |
| 08:11.45 | treke|home | might be worth doing for sources also |
| 08:12.06 | kergoth | hmm, yeah possibly |
| 08:12.15 | kergoth | ~lart perl |
| 08:12.30 | kergoth | I need to get better with python so i can use it more |
| 08:12.39 | kergoth | keep having to fallback |
| 08:12.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:15.15 | treke|home | swett. opie is fixed :) |
| 08:15.39 | treke|home | stole ipks from the opie.hh.o feed |
| 08:16.41 | treke|home | NeoTron: sound een works via alsa's oss emulation |
| 08:20.04 | NeoTron | cooolio |
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| 10:43.21 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
| 10:43.38 | Twiun | hey pb_ |
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| 13:49.33 | numatrix | Looks like debian doesn't have the old diff we're trying to use for tcpdump. |
| 13:50.12 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: any chance you could push a change for tcp dump to use tcpdump_3.7.1-1.2.diff.gz? 3.7.1-1.1 does not exist on the debian archive anymore. |
| 13:50.48 | mickeyl | tcpdump never build for me... |
| 13:50.54 | mickeyl | trying 1.2-diff |
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| 13:52.50 | numatrix | mickeyl: yeah, I just tried 1.2. Didn't work for me. |
| 13:53.02 | numatrix | Guess some more changes will be necessary. |
| 13:58.30 | Com[Plex] | http://www.weather.com/weather/local/04240 |
| 13:59.15 | Com[Plex] | woohoo!! its almost freezing today! it hasnt been this warm since december! |
| 13:59.26 | Com[Plex] | almost abiove freezing |
| 14:07.02 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: hmm |
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| 14:55.06 | Com[Plex] | man, I installed something from the feeds yesterday that made my zaurus flake out every time I remove or insert a card |
| 14:56.01 | dmalloc | so what's the issue with libpcap0 it mutters somethign about libpcap which is in stable, but when I try installing that it mutters about lipcap0 |
| 14:56.03 | Com[Plex] | - the cardctl manager starts spitting out text at the bottom of the screen. |
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| 14:57.40 | Com[Plex] | just touching tbe card manager icon does somethng similar.it says "modprobe: cant locate module char-major- something or other |
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| 15:28.43 | mickeyl | glibc no longer builds for me *sigh* |
| 15:28.55 | mickeyl | /usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/local/bin/distcc arm-linux-gcc -nostdlib -nostartfiles -o iconv_prog -Wl,-dynamic-linker=/lib/ld-linux.so.2 -L/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/output/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/output/staging/arm-linux/lib ../csu/crt1.o ../csu/crti.o `/usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/local/bin/distcc arm-linux-gcc --print-file-name=crtbegin.o` iconv_prog.o iconv_charmap.o charmap. |
| 15:28.57 | mickeyl | make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/glibc-2.2.4/iconv' |
| 15:28.59 | mickeyl | make -C iconvdata others |
| 15:29.01 | mickeyl | make: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: ELF file OS ABI invalid |
| 15:29.06 | mickeyl | ideas? |
| 15:29.10 | treke|home | libtool? |
| 15:29.35 | mickeyl | once again? i think not - i use rev 1.31 which was fine for a long time |
| 15:29.44 | treke|home | hehe |
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| 15:49.51 | schurig | mickeyl: I compiled glibc-2.2.4 today for my target, it worked |
| 15:50.13 | numatrix | mickeyl: I compiled it this morning as well. Worked for me. |
| 15:51.18 | mickeyl | damn... so something wrong here locally |
| 15:51.20 | mickeyl | thing is... i didn't change anything. *sigh* |
| 15:51.22 | mickeyl | just bk pulled... |
| 15:51.40 | schurig | OS ABI invalid sounds like gcc2.x vs gcc3.x mismatch .. or like i386 vs arm mismatch |
| 15:52.18 | mickeyl | yeah... it really sounds like libtool fooling around again... |
| 15:52.30 | schurig | mickeyl: "bk pull" is always dangerous ... usually some packages break. Hope you have an older *.ipk with glibc lying around :-) |
| 15:52.46 | pb_ | glibc build doesn't normally use libtool, unless that's some OZ local change. |
| 15:52.46 | schurig | glibc does not use libtool, doesn't it? |
| 15:53.02 | mickeyl | really? hmm... even more strange then. |
| 15:53.31 | treke|home | I was just throwing out a guess :) |
| 15:53.46 | pb_ | It's hard to imagine what would cause that, other than random file corruption or linker failure. |
| 15:53.48 | schurig | also, the line posted by you startes with ccache distcc arm-linux-gcc, not with libtool. So libtool is NOT the culprit here. Maybe a LD_LIBRARY_PATH or so |
| 15:53.55 | pb_ | Have you inspected the file in question? |
| 15:54.43 | pb_ | mmm, yeah, it's interesting that the program which fails is make. So that might suggest that you have somehow wound up with "." in LD_LIBRARY_PATH. |
| 15:54.54 | schurig | mickeyl: maybe you try out "strace -oa -efile -ff" to find out WHICH libc.so.6 file it tries to load. Then do a "file" on it |
| 15:55.14 | pb_ | The glibc configure script is meant to check for dangerous LD_LIBRARY_PATHs, but I guess it is possible to outwit it if you try hard enough. |
| 15:56.06 | numatrix | wow. http://bensbargains.net/#newsitem1047890486,15915, 179$ for a 5500. |
| 15:56.18 | mickeyl | hmm... maybe ccache or distcc disturbing something? |
| 15:56.47 | schurig | mickeyl: that's easy to find out. just set CCACHE= and DISTCC= in your Vars.local |
| 15:57.01 | pb_ | possible, but it seems unlikely. They would have to be damaging the environment in their parent, which is not easy to achieve. |
| 15:58.01 | schurig | mickeyl: check LD_LIBRARY_PATH first. And yes, maybe /etc/ld.so.config ... not that some postinstall script added a path on your build host that shouldn't be there... |
| 15:59.18 | mickeyl | schurig: actually, md LD_LIBRARY_PATH is clean, however, the glibc script complained during ./configure that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is _not_ clean and broke. so i inserted "unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH" before ./configure in the glibc Makefile. |
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| 16:00.06 | schurig | mickeyl: remove the unset, let it break again, then log at config.log |
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| 16:01.26 | mickeyl | k |
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| 16:24.22 | numatrix | ~cheap zaurus |
| 16:29.13 | bipolar | ibot: cheap zaurus? |
| 16:29.14 | | somebody said cheap zaurus was http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default.aspx?pfid=694341&club_id=694341&sz=0&sf=&dept=&cat= and use coupon code HSN4861 |
| 16:30.32 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:33.16 | TheMasterMind1 | how cheap is it |
| 16:33.38 | TheMasterMind1 | shite |
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| 16:33.45 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:34.12 | TheMasterMind1 | how much is it after the coupon? |
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| 16:36.08 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: wanna see the ugliest use of tables to do design that i've ever seen? |
| 16:36.26 | TheMasterMind1 | view-source:http://www.kingsofchaos.com/index.php |
| 16:37.23 | noda | Gargh! |
| 16:37.29 | noda | I've seen uglier though :) |
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| 16:37.42 | jekk | hi |
| 16:37.53 | lsmith | wtf is up with ibot? |
| 16:38.08 | noda | TheMasterMind1: view-source:http://www.tomshardware.com :P |
| 16:38.36 | bipolar | hehe |
| 16:39.08 | bipolar | lsmith: he bitches whenever someone who is logged in as root joins the channel. |
| 16:39.12 | jekk | is there anyone who knows the ppc motorola mpc 850 sar ? |
| 16:39.25 | lsmith | ah |
| 16:39.28 | treke | someone ought to turn that off on ibot :) |
| 16:39.35 | jekk | i need help to registering interrupt handler |
| 16:39.39 | troffasky | who is ellen feiss? |
| 16:39.41 | lsmith | jekk: irc'ing as root is not a good idea if you are about security |
| 16:39.46 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 16:39.46 | bipolar | people ought not log in as root and irc.... |
| 16:40.00 | treke | they may simply be connecting from their zaurus... |
| 16:40.12 | jekk | ok |
| 16:40.15 | bipolar | treke: yeah.. thats a good point |
| 16:40.21 | pb_ | then they ought not to log in as root on their zaurus :-} |
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| 16:40.45 | treke | pb_: if only qt/e could suck less when it came to nonroot users :) |
| 16:40.53 | noda | Hey, is it just me who can't install konqueror-embedded on 3.1rc3.1? |
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| 16:41.06 | ljp_work | cya, just you |
| 16:41.07 | treke | bipolar: when you try it, let me know if opie works |
| 16:41.13 | jeko | hy |
| 16:41.14 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: edit fstab |
| 16:41.17 | ljp_work | err just ya.. no c |
| 16:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: remove ,user from the /var entry |
| 16:41.25 | treke | bipolar: I couldnt get past calibration on my ipaq |
| 16:41.25 | TheMasterMind1 | mount -o remount /var |
| 16:41.26 | bipolar | treke: is something wrong? |
| 16:41.27 | TheMasterMind1 | then install |
| 16:41.27 | noda | Heh, okay |
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| 16:41.31 | bipolar | treke: ah |
| 16:41.44 | TheMasterMind1 | should be fixed in rc3.2 |
| 16:41.46 | jeko | we are workin' on a motorola mpc 850 sar |
| 16:42.07 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: i think you guys are starting to abuse the concept of rc's :-) |
| 16:42.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:42.13 | treke | bipolar: dunno if it's ipaq specific, but the problem wasnt in the hh.o feed from a two days ago |
| 16:42.20 | jeko | and we wolud need an help to reginsterin interrupt |
| 16:42.34 | TheMasterMind1 | lsmith: openzaurus 3.1-rc3.1.2 |
| 16:42.37 | noda | rofl |
| 16:42.38 | jeko | is there anyone who can help us??? |
| 16:42.58 | noda | I'm of the opinion it should be called 'beta' (or, let's not kid ourselves, 'alpha') |
| 16:43.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:43.11 | treke | noda: eh? oz is way past alpha |
| 16:43.24 | lsmith | gamma :-) |
| 16:43.43 | noda | treke: Depends on your view of 'alpha'. Each release has many new irritating bugs. |
| 16:43.58 | bipolar | jeko: I don't think you'll find people familiar with that here. We're mostly about ARM proc. |
| 16:44.06 | chouimat | noda: start you editor and fix them :) |
| 16:44.11 | noda | chouimat: :) |
| 16:44.20 | noda | chouimat: Some day I'll have time... mmmmm.... |
| 16:44.22 | treke | noda: yes but each release is more or less complete and stable |
| 16:44.31 | TheMasterMind1 | oz has no bugs. |
| 16:44.35 | noda | (when I retire, which is, what, 40 years from now?) |
| 16:44.40 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Just irritating features? |
| 16:44.44 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:44.52 | jeko | bipolar: tanks!do you know a channel in which i can find anyone...??? |
| 16:44.54 | noda | treke: I wouldn't say that. 3.1rc3.1 is great, but it's nowhere near stable. |
| 16:45.00 | kergoth`zzz | each release has new bugs, but the bugs are almost always eliminated in our testing phase, ofttimes within days. |
| 16:45.03 | kergoth`zzz | morning :) |
| 16:45.07 | noda | kergoth: 'morning! :) |
| 16:45.08 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.20 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o TheMasterMind1] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.22 | chouimat | noda: nah! you won't be able to retired in 40 years . but in 90 :) |
| 16:45.25 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 16:45.34 | bipolar | kergoth: hello! |
| 16:45.42 | TheMasterMind1 | no more bug repots on bts.. thats a good sign |
| 16:45.43 | noda | treke: Sorry for sounding so... mean, but imagine Microsoft coming out with software like this. Poeple would call it alpha. |
| 16:45.45 | kergoth | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `busybox-0.60.3/libbb.a', needed by `ipkg'. Stop. |
| 16:45.47 | treke | noda: which is why I'd say beta. There are specific bugs, not gaping holesin the designs |
| 16:45.56 | noda | treke: Okay, maybe :) |
| 16:46.08 | chouimat | noda: M$ final == pre-ALPHA :) |
| 16:46.16 | noda | treke: I'd say some are a bit too gaping to be beta. For example, the ejecting-wireless-card bug |
| 16:46.19 | bipolar | kergoth: too bad apt-get/dpkg is too big for a handheld. :\ |
| 16:46.27 | treke | noda: "imagine Microsoft coming out with software like this" |
| 16:46.30 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: its been fixed |
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| 16:46.36 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Yeah, but not in any release :) |
| 16:46.42 | treke | I dont have to imagine it, I've got a copy of windows 95 around here somewhere... |
| 16:46.44 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, well, its been fixed nontheless |
| 16:46.46 | noda | rofl |
| 16:46.47 | TheMasterMind1 | microsoft doesn't fix crap |
| 16:46.50 | noda | treke: Win95 is alpha :) |
| 16:46.58 | TheMasterMind1 | and they charge you for their shitty software at that |
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| 16:47.23 | kergoth | heh, excellent points. I'd like to see a company fix the bugs as fast as we do. we often introduce new bugs, but those are introduced _due_to_new_features_! |
| 16:47.30 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:47.36 | noda | kergoth: Completely agreed. |
| 16:47.39 | kergoth | they dont come from nowhere. If we'd let it stabilize, it'd be fine. but I dont want it stagnant. |
| 16:47.43 | kergoth | I want to improve the system |
| 16:47.44 | treke | noda: the whole purpose of the RC releases is too find these bugs. Kergoth only owns so much hardware :) |
| 16:47.52 | noda | I've followed bugs through bugzilla and I've followed bugs through Microsoft tech support. Guess which I found better :) |
| 16:47.54 | numatrix | All it takes for a stable release is a lock of features... of course, people really want all the new features, so that doesn't happen. |
| 16:48.14 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: microsoft? |
| 16:48.28 | TheMasterMind1 | mickeyl|away: hey, did you ever play with the cdb stuff i pushed? |
| 16:48.35 | kergoth | numatrix: right. and we could certainly allow the stable or testing branches to stabilize, but currently managing it would be completely manual |
| 16:48.35 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah, TheMasterMind1 fixed the ipkg bug last night. |
| 16:48.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:49.10 | noda | Yeah, I think right now our development is pretty much optimal. |
| 16:49.15 | numatrix | kergoth: a mrproper should fix it. |
| 16:49.25 | bipolar | kergoth: at the risk of touching a sore point.... Is that SD doc from toshiba useful for building a driver for our cause at all? |
| 16:49.35 | numatrix | kergoth: Not to mention there's not enough man power to manage the stable/testing/unstable branches effectively. |
| 16:49.37 | kergoth | well, I'd like to see stable and testing less stagnant. They should receive critical bugfixes. |
| 16:49.41 | kergoth | right |
| 16:49.47 | kergoth | which is why we need an infrastructure to automate it |
| 16:49.49 | TheMasterMind1 | security.debian style |
| 16:49.53 | noda | But now the buildroot has one branch. Right :) |
| 16:50.06 | kergoth | bipolar: I havent read it. |
| 16:50.10 | treke | kergoth: but please dont do it the familiar way and just toss them into the stock oz3.1 feed |
| 16:50.15 | bipolar | kergoth: ahh... NM then ;) |
| 16:50.36 | kergoth | treke: oh, you mean you dont want a big unmaintainable pile/blob of packages? |
| 16:50.39 | kergoth | treke: :) |
| 16:50.47 | treke | kergoth: hehe |
| 16:51.20 | kergoth | brb, soda run |
| 16:51.26 | treke | kergoth: I dont want to go back and reflash only to find that something that worked perfectly well was outright replaced with a version that was b0rked for me :) |
| 16:52.07 | kergoth | we could do it debian style. move unstable packages to testing if htey're out there for a certain period of time without any bugs reported against them |
| 16:52.13 | kergoth | (once the infrastructure is in place) |
| 16:52.21 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm, my ipkg changes that i pushed yesterday require ipkg to be mrpropered.. should be something in the new buildroot system where it checks if newer sources are required than the ones that already exist so stuff doesn't break... |
| 16:52.40 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: treke and i talked about just that last night |
| 16:52.47 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 16:52.59 | kergoth | and I think I can do it without making things explode horribly |
| 16:53.29 | TheMasterMind1 | great |
| 17:04.00 | schurig | kergoth: Hi! Just came back from my holiday |
| 17:04.11 | kergoth | hey schurig |
| 17:04.26 | kergoth | figured, since i saw the usual cleanup changeset :) |
| 17:04.30 | kergoth | how was the holiday? |
| 17:05.48 | schurig | very good. Mallorca has temperaturs of about 16-22 degrees centigrade (germany: 4-12). It was spring there. Holiday season hasn't really begun, so it was not overcrowded. You could have a hike of 15 kilometers and only meet 5 people |
| 17:06.04 | kergoth | nice :) sounds relaxing |
| 17:06.19 | schurig | hehe, have fun converting this to your ancient measurements like fahrenheit and miles :-) |
| 17:06.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:06.56 | treke | schurig: how do you convert 5 people to ancient measurements? |
| 17:07.40 | kergoth | you beat them repeatedly with a metal american ruler |
| 17:07.42 | kergoth | :D |
| 17:07.54 | treke | hehe |
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| 17:08.17 | kergoth | wont happen |
| 17:08.24 | bipolar | I know..... *sigh* |
| 17:11.19 | schurig | treke: the USA is more metric than the UK ... |
| 17:11.43 | treke | isnt it a shame |
| 17:11.54 | schurig | for the brits: yes |
| 17:11.59 | schurig | hey, I have to go ... |
| 17:12.02 | treke | not what I meant :) |
| 17:12.08 | bipolar | Question for all: How many people here use commercial apps with their Zaurus? Apps that you can not get the source code for? |
| 17:12.20 | kergoth | I use neo's games |
| 17:12.22 | kergoth | thats about it |
| 17:12.24 | treke | neo's games |
| 17:12.26 | treke | that's it |
| 17:12.32 | bipolar | hmm..... |
| 17:12.47 | ljp_work | I use opie, and dont have the source code |
| 17:12.58 | kergoth | i have tkcmahjonng, but its slow, I said fuck it |
| 17:13.05 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:13.10 | ljp_work | I do have tkceditor |
| 17:13.12 | treke | kergoth: try the mahjonng on zsi. Much faster |
| 17:13.13 | bipolar | I'm just wondering how important backwards compatibility is to people |
| 17:13.23 | ljp_work | and its faster when its forced to have opie look |
| 17:13.24 | kergoth | treke: hmm, k |
| 17:13.42 | treke | I've got a bunch of tkc apps that I run every now and then to check that they work, and see what tkc is up to |
| 17:13.47 | treke | but none I really use |
| 17:14.06 | kergoth | hah, you just buy em to get back on the list |
| 17:14.08 | kergoth | ;) |
| 17:14.15 | treke | kergoth: haha :) |
| 17:14.24 | treke | kergoth: did I tell you Shawn replied to me? |
| 17:14.37 | ljp_work | what was the question? |
| 17:14.38 | kergoth | really? nah |
| 17:14.40 | yeiazel | 'lo ! |
| 17:14.45 | kergoth | whatd he say? |
| 17:14.50 | kergoth | hey yeiazel |
| 17:15.00 | bipolar | Perhaps we could launch an "OpenEmbedded Advanced" which is compiled with gcc 3.2. It would break compatibility, but it should be quite a bit faster and better in memory usage, right? |
| 17:15.12 | kergoth | uh |
| 17:15.17 | kergoth | i already have OZ images built with gcc3 |
| 17:15.21 | kergoth | theres nothing to launch :) |
| 17:15.33 | bipolar | kergoth: I know... I was just talking about marketing it. :) |
| 17:17.02 | chouimat | bipolar: OpenEmbedded TNG is better :) |
| 17:17.14 | yeiazel | OpenEmbedded XP ? :) |
| 17:17.21 | bipolar | haha |
| 17:17.25 | yeiazel | OpenEmbedded .NET !!! |
| 17:17.36 | chouimat | yeiazel: that one is compiled with gcc 3.4 |
| 17:17.38 | ljp_work | OPen TKC |
| 17:17.45 | yeiazel | is there an OE .NET planned ? |
| 17:19.06 | bipolar | yeiazel: heh |
| 17:20.30 | yeiazel | will OE support Palladium ? |
| 17:20.37 | bipolar | what I wan't to know is how debian could have kde 3.1.1 packages when 3.1.1 has not been released yet.... |
| 17:21.31 | chouimat | bipolar: KDE for Workgroup? |
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| 17:23.11 | lsmith | hmm can i safely remove qt-embedded-rotation? |
| 17:23.19 | lsmith | ipkg sais it has been replaced |
| 17:23.29 | lsmith | yet opie-rotation still claims a dependency on it |
| 17:23.42 | kergoth | you dont. |
| 17:23.49 | kergoth | it was replaced by a general fonts package |
| 17:23.55 | kergoth | which includes both nonrotated and rotated fonts |
| 17:24.01 | kergoth | so if you remove it, you hvave no fonts :) |
| 17:24.36 | lsmith | which would suck :-) |
| 17:24.59 | lsmith | Package qt-embedded-rotation has been replaced by: libqt2-emb-fonts |
| 17:24.59 | lsmith | Not downgrading package qt-embedded-rotation on sd from 2.3.4-beta2-1 to 2.3.4-4. |
| 17:25.33 | lsmith | hmm seems like ipkg thinks beta is better than 4 |
| 17:25.55 | yeiazel | ascii(b) > ascii(4) :) |
| 17:26.09 | kergoth | lsmith: yeah, stupid ipkg.. not sure how to override that yet |
| 17:26.25 | lsmith | well one way would be to use a namescheme for the versions |
| 17:26.30 | lsmith | that evades the issue |
| 17:26.48 | kergoth | well, we can |
| 17:26.50 | kergoth | 1:2.3.4-4 |
| 17:27.03 | kergoth | per debian policy, that allows what we need |
| 17:27.17 | bipolar | damnit! Why does jffs2 garbage collection have to be so damned sucky? |
| 17:27.30 | kergoth | or, if it works, Replaces: qt-embedded (<= 2.3.4-beta5) |
| 17:27.37 | kergoth | but i dont know if ipkg can handle replacing yourself. |
| 17:27.52 | kergoth | bipolar: it isnt |
| 17:27.55 | kergoth | bipolar: just in 2.4.6 :) |
| 17:28.24 | lsmith | shouldnt this install the current version in the feed?: ipkg upgrade qt-embedded-rotation -force-reinstall |
| 17:28.27 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah... I figgured that. If I didn't need SD card support for storing apps I'd be using 2.4.19... :\ |
| 17:28.41 | kergoth | lsmith: yes, except -force-reinstall appears broken w/ regard to feed installs |
| 17:28.47 | lsmith | ah |
| 17:28.58 | kergoth | its ipkg, brokenness is expected |
| 17:29.01 | kergoth | heh :\ |
| 17:29.10 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg has no bugs |
| 17:29.13 | lsmith | the good news: most things htta are difficult with oz are bugs :-) |
| 17:29.27 | lsmith | s/htta/that |
| 17:29.41 | kergoth | and thankfully, we usually get them fixed fairly fast |
| 17:29.43 | kergoth | except ipkg |
| 17:29.46 | kergoth | which needs a damn rewerite |
| 17:29.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:30.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll fix reinsatll |
| 17:30.11 | lsmith | well atleast its not b0rking things as often as it did in the upgrade bug days |
| 17:30.30 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 17:30.46 | lsmith | anyways ... time for the movies |
| 17:30.52 | lsmith | laters |
| 17:31.54 | kergoth | I like noda's 'filters' |
| 17:32.08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 17:32.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i tried the x86 build last night, glibc failed |
| 17:34.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:34.26 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 17:34.37 | kergoth | what version were you ubilding? |
| 17:34.38 | kergoth | building |
| 17:34.49 | kergoth | you cant build 2.2.4 with gcc3, and cant build 2.3.1 with gcc2 |
| 17:35.39 | TheMasterMind1 | i was doing gcc2 |
| 17:35.49 | TheMasterMind1 | 2.2.4 i think, it worked when i built for arm |
| 17:35.54 | kergoth | our desktop uses gcc2? |
| 17:36.03 | kergoth | you arent crosscompiling. |
| 17:36.08 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 17:36.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 17:36.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:36.17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, gcc3 then |
| 17:36.21 | TheMasterMind1 | wait no |
| 17:36.23 | kergoth | then it'll fail |
| 17:36.25 | TheMasterMind1 | its debian testing |
| 17:36.26 | kergoth | in 2.2.4 |
| 17:36.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:36.27 | TheMasterMind1 | so gcc2 |
| 17:36.31 | kergoth | k |
| 17:36.45 | TheMasterMind1 | i pasted the error here last night |
| 17:37.06 | TheMasterMind1 | twas a "no rule to build something.o needed by somethingelse.o" |
| 17:39.05 | kergoth | odd |
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| 17:53.06 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 17:53.11 | TheMasterMind1 | i was going to fix that ipkg bug wasn't i |
| 17:53.21 | kergoth | eheh |
| 17:54.21 | ljp_work | there's only one bug? |
| 17:56.01 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 17:56.24 | ljp_work | treke: you get kicked off tkc list? |
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| 18:01.57 | kenb | bug: ipkg sucks |
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| 18:05.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kenb: fix it then |
| 18:06.01 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, what doesn't work with force-reinstall |
| 18:06.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: feed installs apaprently |
| 18:06.26 | kergoth | local ipk installs reinstall fine |
| 18:06.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 18:06.42 | TheMasterMind1 | so if i try to force reinsatll something installed and in a feed |
| 18:06.44 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't work |
| 18:06.48 | bipolar | this upgrade is excruciating.... |
| 18:06.51 | TheMasterMind1 | lets see |
| 18:07.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: |
| 18:07.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: is it | or || in Depends? |
| 18:07.26 | kergoth | i always forget which |
| 18:07.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i haven't a clue |
| 18:07.57 | bipolar | I think I'm just going to have ipkg install everything to SD next time... :-p |
| 18:08.07 | TheMasterMind1 | # ipkg install frotz |
| 18:08.07 | TheMasterMind1 | # |
| 18:08.08 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 18:08.14 | TheMasterMind1 | shouldn't it say its installed already |
| 18:08.59 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:09.19 | TheMasterMind1 | something's fucked up |
| 18:09.34 | kergoth | heh, what else is new |
| 18:09.56 | TheMasterMind1 | i think its the new ipkg_message stuff |
| 18:10.33 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 18:10.34 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 18:10.37 | TheMasterMind1 | the verbosity levels |
| 18:10.53 | TheMasterMind1 | the default one has no output |
| 18:10.54 | kergoth | yo mickeyl |
| 18:10.54 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
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| 18:11.05 | TheMasterMind1 | # ipkg -V 1 install frotz |
| 18:11.05 | TheMasterMind1 | Package frotz (2.42-1) installed in root is up to date. |
| 18:11.05 | TheMasterMind1 | # ipkg install frotz |
| 18:11.05 | TheMasterMind1 | # |
| 18:11.10 | kergoth | eh |
| 18:11.16 | mickeyl | hiho kergoth |
| 18:11.18 | mickeyl | hi * |
| 18:11.19 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.19 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.19 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.19 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: saw your message re. dependencies |
| 18:11.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: did you disable manual.depends yet? |
| 18:11.37 | kergoth | its included if it exists. |
| 18:11.39 | kergoth | I simply removed it |
| 18:11.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: k - i didn't have time to check the various python build issues yet. will do soon, however. |
| 18:11.58 | kergoth | I confirmed the .depends generated python lines matched your manual lines before committing |
| 18:12.04 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah great. |
| 18:12.17 | kergoth | so you should be okay, but verify anyway :) |
| 18:12.26 | kergoth | ifneq ($(CONFIG_PYTHON)$(CONFIG_PYTHON-CORE)$(CONFIG_PYTHON-GDBM)$(CONFIG_PYTHON-READLINE)$(CONFIG_PYTHON-ZLIB),) |
| 18:12.27 | mickeyl | kergoth: will do. however, the make warnings are a bit annoying, don't you think? ;) |
| 18:12.30 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.32 | kergoth | else |
| 18:12.33 | kergoth | what make warnings? |
| 18:12.35 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.38 | kergoth | endif |
| 18:12.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:12.43 | kergoth | they're gone. |
| 18:12.47 | kergoth | thanks to that bit of spiffiness i pasted |
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| 18:12.53 | mickeyl | i get tons of "multiple rules for destination blabla" and "ignoring circulary rule blabla" |
| 18:12.57 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:13.01 | kergoth | no, those are gone. |
| 18:13.04 | mickeyl | since when? |
| 18:13.08 | kergoth | since last night. |
| 18:13.11 | kergoth | when I committed the fix. |
| 18:13.14 | mickeyl | hmm... strange. |
| 18:13.15 | mickeyl | *checking* |
| 18:13.21 | kergoth | remove .depends if you have to. |
| 18:13.35 | kergoth | then it'll be forced to regen |
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| 18:14.07 | kergoth | though, now that i think about it, the circular deps could still exist.. i'll confirm |
| 18:14.18 | tronical | kergoth: ah, I just see your kernel-headers version.h/autoconf.h fix. pretty cool idea! :) |
| 18:14.28 | kergoth | tronical: hehe. its a hack, but it works |
| 18:14.38 | mickeyl | make: Zirkuläre Datei packages/autoconf <- packages/ipkg-x86 Abhängigkeit wird nicht verwendet. |
| 18:14.39 | kergoth | tronical: i built a new toolchain, its on the site. |
| 18:14.46 | kergoth | mickeyl: harmless, and completely irrelevent. |
| 18:14.50 | kergoth | mickeyl: thats a different behavior |
| 18:14.57 | kergoth | its not due to the deps issue |
| 18:15.01 | mickeyl | kergoth: k |
| 18:15.15 | kergoth | though I can fix that one as well |
| 18:15.32 | tronical | kergoth: any news on .19? :) |
| 18:15.38 | kergoth | tronical: nope, havent worked on it |
| 18:15.42 | tronical | kergoth: okay |
| 18:15.51 | kergoth | I did email douglas my raw module support though, hopefully it gets included |
| 18:15.54 | kergoth | i confirmed it works, also |
| 18:16.00 | kergoth | the module_raw anyway |
| 18:16.03 | kergoth | didnt test ts on 2.4.19 yet |
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| 18:18.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: btw... finally found the source of the spectrum/symbol freezes. the problem occurs when you have the interface up and want to issue "normal" communication. so: ifconfig eth0 down and killing the dhcpc and then you can sniff with symbol/spectrum for hours without a freeze. |
| 18:18.55 | kergoth | ah, makes since |
| 18:18.57 | kergoth | sense |
| 18:19.20 | mickeyl | however, all other drivers can take this - only the spectrum freezes. |
| 18:19.28 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:19.31 | mickeyl | yep |
| 18:19.58 | bipolar | kergoth: I've got a build error with ipkg for target. Seems that it's looking in the wrong place for libbb.a |
| 18:20.19 | mickeyl | bipolar: yep, confirmed here. |
| 18:20.39 | mickeyl | d'oh. konque no longer builds. |
| 18:20.54 | Twiun | tronical: hey, got a question for you |
| 18:20.58 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 18:21.04 | kergoth | bipolar: mrproper it, update. |
| 18:21.09 | kergoth | bipolar: its fixed in cvs |
| 18:21.29 | tronical | Twiun: shoot |
| 18:22.11 | Twiun | tronical: looking to run konq/e in kiosk mode on the Z (as a GuiServer) without qtopia, what kind of changes would I require? |
| 18:22.26 | bipolar | fuck! I just mrpropered my whole tree! |
| 18:22.35 | bipolar | I hate when that happens... |
| 18:22.38 | kergoth | konqe -qws? |
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| 18:22.45 | kergoth | any qtopia app can act as the qws |
| 18:22.51 | icefox | Anyone post the $169 deal to slashdot yet? |
| 18:23.06 | bipolar | icefox: I thought you did.... :) |
| 18:23.17 | tronical | Twiun: running as standalone should be no problem (just make sure it becomes the display server) |
| 18:23.17 | icefox | yah, but in the event that I get rejected... |
| 18:23.26 | icefox | sense the editors always read the posts |
| 18:23.45 | bipolar | icefox: Maybe it will get posted twice. :) |
| 18:23.45 | bisho | kergoth: The rc3.1 loose the clock on suspend? |
| 18:23.56 | kergoth | bisho: no. |
| 18:24.07 | bisho | hum... |
| 18:24.24 | bisho | I sync mine yesterday and today has 1/1/2002 |
| 18:25.05 | kergoth | dunno what to tell you. there's an outstanding bug with opiealarm zombies that can intefere with time sync |
| 18:25.13 | kergoth | its somewhat random |
| 18:25.13 | kergoth | i cant repro |
| 18:25.29 | bisho | Ok |
| 18:25.37 | bisho | I'll test it more |
| 18:25.38 | bisho | :) |
| 18:25.51 | mickeyl | kergoth: Harlekin (from CeBIT) came in today and asked if you could make a gcc3 based image for the c700. he is allowed to flash one on the sharp booth and wanted to attract them to openzaurus... do you think you have time for such a build? |
| 18:26.07 | bisho | Also the vncserver doesn't catch the mouse and keyboard again... |
| 18:26.53 | bisho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.01 | TheMasterMind1 | what should reinstall's behavior be |
| 18:27.03 | TheMasterMind1 | remove and then install |
| 18:27.07 | TheMasterMind1 | or just install and overwrite |
| 18:27.29 | bisho | and the kernel module isn't loaded |
| 18:28.33 | bisho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.43 | bisho | Is the desired behaviour? |
| 18:30.49 | kenb | TheMasterMind1: remove and then install. |
| 18:30.57 | kenb | that's what re-install implies to me |
| 18:31.05 | kenb | replace is install and overwrite. |
| 18:35.13 | bisho | Arg... |
| 18:35.33 | bisho | after several reboots also freezes... |
| 18:35.47 | bisho | :) |
| 18:36.25 | kergoth | mickeyl: opie on the c700 isnt ready. Unless he wants to show off irssi in pure consolea.. |
| 18:36.28 | kergoth | mickeyl: heh |
| 18:36.57 | kergoth | kenb: ipkg's current replaces behavior is remove and install, fyi |
| 18:36.57 | Twiun | tronical: what about getting it into kiosk mode? (fullscreen html view) |
| 18:37.16 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... oh oh... hope he doesn't flash the experimental image then... |
| 18:37.18 | Twiun | tronical: no menus or status bar |
| 18:37.24 | tronical | Twiun: launch with --fullscreen IIRC |
| 18:37.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:37.41 | kergoth | its called experimental for a reason :) |
| 18:37.54 | kergoth | if it was fully working, it'd be considered unstable |
| 18:38.20 | mickeyl | kergoth: sure :-D any idea if and when the new xscale stepping will be incorporated? i wonder if I should order a c700 from dynamism or if i should wait... |
| 18:38.40 | kergoth | mickeyl: no news on what sharp will be doing |
| 18:38.46 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:39.04 | Twiun | tronical: no effect on the one I just built, nor does giving it a url from the command line |
| 18:39.29 | Twiun | tronical: using a http url, it interprets it as a file url and complains that it's in the wrong format :) |
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| 18:40.49 | tronical | Twiun: yeah, qpe support disables the cmdline url parsing because it conflicts with the way qpe calls the app IIRC |
| 18:41.08 | tronical | Twiun: I have never tried the fullscreen stuff myself (haven't even implemented it) , so I'm just interpreting main.cc :) |
| 18:41.33 | Twiun | tronical: got jiosk mode working... |
| 18:41.44 | kergoth | Twiun: why do you need cmdline url parsing? |
| 18:41.46 | Twiun | tronical: any way of getting around the url loading? |
| 18:41.52 | Twiun | kergoth: for the initial page |
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| 18:41.53 | kergoth | Twiun: its a qtopia app, use qcop to set the document |
| 18:42.04 | Twiun | kergoth: I'm running it as a qws server |
| 18:42.08 | kergoth | and? |
| 18:42.23 | kergoth | afaik it should still be listening on that channel |
| 18:42.33 | Twiun | how can I test it? |
| 18:42.44 | Twiun | don't know anything about using the qcop stuff from the command line |
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| 18:44.47 | kergoth | qcop QPE/Application/konqueror "setDocument(string)" "http://localhost" IIRC |
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| 18:44.52 | kergoth | i dont quite remember the cmdline syntax either |
| 18:45.17 | Twiun | hmmm... |
| 18:45.26 | Twiun | I wonder if a redirect in the start.html would work |
| 18:45.53 | kergoth | er sorry setDocument expects a QString |
| 18:45.57 | kergoth | not sure how to to do it from cmdline |
| 18:46.14 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmf |
| 18:46.25 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.28 | TheMasterMind1 | for some reason jamey removed a bunch of code that detected if file was local or remote |
| 18:46.39 | kergoth | course since its the server and is already running, you're fine |
| 18:46.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:46.44 | mickeyl | qcop QPE/Application/konqueror "setDocument(QString)" "http://localhost" |
| 18:46.46 | kergoth | you'd start it, then immediately send the message |
| 18:46.48 | mickeyl | should work |
| 18:46.52 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah yeah, thanks |
| 18:46.55 | Twiun | cheers :) |
| 18:47.03 | Twiun | now to set the rotation :) |
| 18:47.15 | kergoth | export QWS_DISPLAY=blahbalh |
| 18:47.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:48.29 | Twiun | yeah, going to look at the proper blahbalh for that now :) |
| 18:48.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:49.38 | Twiun | Transformed:Rot270:0 |
| 18:50.38 | Twiun | hmm |
| 18:51.01 | Twiun | now konqueror is a quarterway down the screen |
| 18:56.09 | bisho_ | Anybody gets vncserver working? |
| 18:57.03 | bisho_ | ok... |
| 18:57.16 | bisho_ | restarting opie after the fbinput works |
| 18:57.36 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.37 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.41 | TheMasterMind1 | is it just me or does that make no sense |
| 18:57.51 | TheMasterMind1 | if the extension is not ipk, skip |
| 18:58.01 | TheMasterMind1 | if the extension is not deb, skip |
| 18:58.08 | TheMasterMind1 | it'll never be both, so it always skips |
| 18:58.27 | pb_ | TheMasterMind1: looks bogus indeed |
| 19:00.15 | bisho_ | Ag |
| 19:00.28 | bisho_ | vncserver keeps doing weird things... |
| 19:00.31 | Twiun | kergoth: yup, using a start page with a redirect refresh meta works |
| 19:00.57 | Twiun | kergoth: not to figure out why the konq window is so badly misplaced |
| 19:01.04 | Twiun | s/not/now/ |
| 19:06.56 | icefox | oh man: http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/dearmd.html |
| 19:07.11 | icefox | what great lunch reading fodder |
| 19:07.23 | chouimat|lunch | http://www.geocities.com/romidar/mmcvssd.htm |
| 19:11.59 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: you fixing up konqe? |
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| 19:14.00 | schurig | hi |
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| 19:18.21 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: only as far as trying to get it to run in kiosk mode without qtopia, menus, titlebar or statusbar |
| 19:18.26 | Twiun | hey shurig |
| 19:18.30 | sandtrip | http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default.aspx?pfid=694341&club_id=694341&sz=0&sf=&dept=&cat= |
| 19:19.05 | treke | ibot, seen sandman? |
| 19:19.06 | | sandman is currently on #handhelds.org (16h 23m 43s) |
| 19:19.13 | sandtrip | 198 for sl-5500 |
| 19:19.17 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: konqe takes almost as long as qte to build :) |
| 19:19.25 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 19:20.43 | Twiun | because it's building bits of kde, right? |
| 19:21.13 | TheMasterMind1 | i want all the zoom levels back in konqe |
| 19:23.27 | Twiun | not really my expertise :) |
| 19:23.40 | Twiun | I have enough troubles learning qt on the go |
| 19:23.54 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: It would be better to have the common ones( 75, 50, 25) and then "custom" which pops up a dialog box that lets you set it to anything.... :) |
| 19:24.08 | bipolar | :) |
| 19:24.50 | Twiun | what do you mean... again? |
| 19:24.59 | bipolar | heh |
| 19:26.08 | TheMasterMind1 | jesus fuck |
| 19:26.13 | TheMasterMind1 | i hate ipkg |
| 19:26.54 | schurig | TheMasterMind1: no reason to use the F*** word, especially not with Jesus |
| 19:27.11 | TheMasterMind1 | sorry |
| 19:27.28 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: I'm sure the Christ forgives you... :) |
| 19:27.55 | ljp_w | nope he doesn't. he stopped doing that in 1953 |
| 19:28.14 | bipolar | ljp_w: Was that the year you were born? :) |
| 19:29.03 | ljp_w | 1965 |
| 19:29.18 | ljp_w | the year of the Beatles US invasion |
| 19:29.20 | bipolar | heh |
| 19:36.45 | JasonNJ | schurig: I dont think Jesus does that much fucking anyway, with him being nailed to that cross and all |
| 19:38.39 | ljp_w | never know, he might be kinky |
| 19:38.46 | JasonNJ | true |
| 19:40.18 | schurig | you are all tact- and tasteless :-) |
| 19:45.15 | Twiun | (tact|taste)less? |
| 19:45.29 | Twiun | ta(ct|ste)less? |
| 19:46.48 | JasonNJ | konkey the donkey |
| 19:47.26 | JasonNJ | konqe: you too can be a jackass |
| 19:47.46 | kenb | Sharp Ships Zaurus SL-5600; 5500 Available Cheap |
| 19:47.57 | JasonNJ | news at 11 |
| 19:48.09 | kenb | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5108020734.html |
| 19:48.20 | kenb | SL-5600 is $499 (USD). |
| 19:48.26 | kenb | hm |
| 19:48.44 | kenb | Wonder if I can find a Fry's tomorrow night in Charlottseville, Virginia... |
| 19:49.00 | kenb | Well I wasn't expecting this to happen till next week, but I guess it was put up early. For a limited time on hsn.com you can get a Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 PDA for $198.92, combined with a hsn.com coupon you can bring the price down to $169.08. |
| 19:49.14 | kenb | that's insanely cheap. |
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| 19:49.34 | Twiun | if only they shipped internationally |
| 19:49.53 | kenb | I'm going to the US tomorrow for a day. |
| 19:49.59 | kenb | wonder if I can find a store with a 5600 |
| 19:50.07 | JasonNJ | ken: no way |
| 19:50.13 | kenb | JasonNJ:? |
| 19:50.14 | JasonNJ | theres only 2000 of them in existence |
| 19:50.19 | kenb | really. |
| 19:50.24 | JasonNJ | yes really |
| 19:50.28 | TheMasterMind1 | man, i hate ipkg so much |
| 19:50.39 | JasonNJ | they are not slated for retail sale |
| 19:50.44 | JasonNJ | the 5600 is not a consumer device |
| 19:50.55 | JasonNJ | its only going to specialized sharp resellers |
| 19:50.58 | TheMasterMind1 | the 5600 is in stores? |
| 19:51.02 | JasonNJ | solutions providers |
| 19:51.03 | kenb | uh... |
| 19:51.05 | JasonNJ | no it aint in stores |
| 19:51.23 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 19:51.27 | kenb | Sharp Electronics announced today that it has begun shipping the Zaurus SL-5600 Linux PD |
| 19:51.32 | JasonNJ | I think Amazon and Office Depots may get a few |
| 19:51.34 | JasonNJ | but not many |
| 19:52.05 | JasonNJ | kenb: shipping means they produced some, and got em in boxes |
| 19:52.25 | JasonNJ | 2000 total were produced for initial consumption |
| 19:52.30 | kenb | hm. |
| 19:52.31 | JasonNJ | if its successful, they will produce more |
| 19:52.40 | schurig | why do they have just so little RAM, 32 MB? |
| 19:52.42 | kenb | bastards should ship me one. |
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| 19:52.50 | kenb | 96mb total |
| 19:52.55 | JasonNJ | well, cause user storage is in flash |
| 19:52.56 | JasonNJ | not ram |
| 19:52.58 | kergoth`food | its 64mb nand flash, 32mb ram |
| 19:53.01 | kenb | 32 SD, 64 "protected flash" |
| 19:53.13 | JasonNJ | it uses the ram exclusively for program execution |
| 19:53.31 | kenb | that's a nice change. |
| 19:53.36 | JasonNJ | the 5500 used ram for program execution and storage |
| 19:53.47 | JasonNJ | the flash on the 5500 was not user writeable |
| 19:53.52 | schurig | But you have the kernel & qt & opie in ram, so there isn't any space for another app, or? |
| 19:54.05 | kenb | swap space. |
| 19:54.07 | kenb | ;) |
| 19:54.13 | kergoth`food | schurig: eh, most zaurus users were using only 32mb ram anyway |
| 19:54.24 | kergoth`food | schurig: its only with OZ that they gained the ability to adjust the balance (for most) |
| 19:54.42 | JasonNJ | personally I wished it had 64mb of RAM as well, cause the java apps really eat up a lot of memory |
| 19:54.58 | chouimat | hey JasonNJ |
| 19:54.59 | schurig | kergoth`food: now I know why I never needed this balance adjustment. My hardware has 128 MB ram (and still uses flash with JFFS2 as storage). |
| 19:55.04 | Twiun | JasonNJ: yup |
| 19:55.08 | kergoth`food | schurig: ah |
| 19:55.12 | kergoth`food | schurig: impressive :) |
| 19:55.14 | JasonNJ | I'm sort of on the fence on the 5600 as to whether I like it or I hate it |
| 19:55.16 | gaurdian | the 5600 has the same memory as the 5500 correct ? |
| 19:55.22 | schurig | we showed our device some Sharp huy at the CeBIT :-) |
| 19:55.30 | schurig | it was a german one |
| 19:55.33 | yeiazel | gaurdian: I think no |
| 19:55.43 | kergoth`food | gaurdian, yeiazel: pay attention to the conversation |
| 19:55.49 | JasonNJ | gaurdian: about the same amount of end user storable space, yeah |
| 19:55.58 | JasonNJ | maybe a little bit more with the jffs2 compression |
| 19:55.59 | gaurdian | thankya JasonNJ |
| 19:56.00 | kenb | 14:42|<@kergoth`food> its 64mb nand flash, 32mb ram |
| 19:56.12 | gaurdian | Looking for a viable reason to upgrade, havent found it yet |
| 19:56.31 | yeiazel | kergoth`food: sorry, I just switched the windows, and seen that question |
| 19:56.32 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:56.44 | schurig | we: 32 MB Flash, 128 MB SDRAM, possibly x MB MMC (no SD). I tried it quickly with a 64 MB MMC card |
| 19:56.46 | kenb | gaurdian: 400mhz XScale. |
| 19:56.47 | JasonNJ | i think I will like my 5600 more with OZ on it |
| 19:56.49 | icefox | $169 for a Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 PDA on hsn.com! (articles,pilot) (rejected) |
| 19:56.56 | icefox | someone else care to post it to slashdot |
| 19:57.03 | kenb | icefox: it's there |
| 19:57.07 | kenb | if you subscribe... |
| 19:57.10 | kenb | it's already posted. |
| 19:57.17 | icefox | oh cool :-D |
| 19:57.18 | icefox | hehe |
| 19:57.23 | icefox | when is it going live? |
| 19:57.30 | gaurdian | kenb , I havent herd good things about that 400 Xscale |
| 19:57.31 | kenb | within next 30 minutes. |
| 19:57.33 | schurig | wonder how long it takes until their server is slashdotted |
| 19:57.42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:57.46 | schurig | gaurdian: the C0 stepping works so far |
| 19:57.57 | TheMasterMind1 | we have to get oz3.1-final on ./ |
| 19:57.58 | schurig | gaurdian: what bad did you hear? |
| 19:58.20 | gaurdian | I still havent herd good things....mainly herd that it performs worse than the 5500 a lot of times |
| 19:58.21 | JasonNJ | the 400 xscale is one messed up CPU |
| 19:58.30 | JasonNJ | the writeback cache is broken |
| 19:58.30 | gaurdian | what JasonNJ said |
| 19:58.34 | icefox | kenb: man and I thought my 17,000 was small |
| 19:58.40 | JasonNJ | and the memory transfer speed is half of what it should be |
| 19:58.44 | icefox | I waited way to long to register |
| 19:58.51 | kenb | icefox: I'm 11. |
| 19:58.54 | icefox | ! |
| 19:58.57 | schurig | JasonNJ: they fixed that for the PXA255, I heard (the memory speed) |
| 19:58.59 | gaurdian | so I think I stick with the 5500 |
| 19:58.59 | JasonNJ | plus a whole bunch of other errata makes it essentially SLOWER than the 206 strongarm |
| 19:59.05 | kenb | icefox: :) |
| 19:59.34 | schurig | JasonNJ: but yes, it is with 400 MB about as fast as the 206 strongarm. But I heard it eats less power |
| 19:59.58 | schurig | JasonNJ: did you enable the PXA cache writeback errata fix in Linux? For my C0, I disabled it because this problem has been fixed |
| 20:00.08 | kergoth | schurig: fixed how? |
| 20:00.17 | schurig | kergoth: by Intel |
| 20:00.27 | pb_ | kergoth: the C0 silicon doesn't have that bug. |
| 20:00.29 | kergoth | oh, your device uses a pxa255? |
| 20:00.29 | gaurdian | so all in all, I cant find a good reason to upgrade |
| 20:00.34 | kergoth | the b500/5600/c700 is B, not C |
| 20:00.48 | kergoth | the workaround is enabled in its kernels |
| 20:00.50 | schurig | kergoth: Intel LOVES to confuse people. PXA250 C0 is the same as PXA255 A0. |
| 20:00.56 | kergoth | schurig: i know. |
| 20:01.01 | pb_ | schurig: what device is it you have? |
| 20:01.07 | schurig | C0 |
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| 20:01.17 | pb_ | schurig: machine, I mean, not chip. |
| 20:01.27 | kergoth | schurig: you ever get opie running on your device? i dont recall |
| 20:01.28 | schurig | we are still at engeneering sample stage, so we got them in the needed quantity |
| 20:02.31 | schurig | pb_: self made machine with lots of hardware stuff in it, too expensive for normal usage, will be used in the transportation industry. Can be dropped from 1.4 meter onto the floor and survives (warehouse storage workers are rought people ...) |
| 20:03.09 | pb_ | schurig: ah, cool. |
| 20:03.11 | kenb | schurig: Like my symbol PalmOS barcode/801.22b scanners. |
| 20:03.55 | kenb | rugged beasts |
| 20:05.08 | ljp_work | heh, I read that as 'rugged breasts' |
| 20:05.22 | pb_ | ! |
| 20:05.45 | kenb | ugh. |
| 20:05.50 | kenb | those would be ugly. |
| 20:06.01 | kergoth | eh, no kidding |
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| 20:06.33 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:06.52 | icefox | yah! It has been posted |
| 20:07.19 | kenb | icefox: watch... hsn.com will get slashdotted. |
| 20:08.15 | schurig | kergoth: I got Opie running so that I could demo some apps. But it is not really adapted, many things don't work. I got problems with some hardware things and do lots of Linux device driver hacking all the time |
| 20:08.31 | kergoth | schurig: ah |
| 20:12.12 | chouimat | Psychology: The Science of inventing words for things that do not exists. |
| 20:12.21 | ljp_work | schurig: most of opies device stuff is now in odevice.cpp, you may want to add your device there |
| 20:13.01 | schurig | ljp_work: already there |
| 20:13.31 | schurig | ljp_work: and I also did search for all of those IPAQ/EBX/etc ifdefs and put my stuff there |
| 20:13.36 | bisho_ | # cd /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 20:13.36 | bisho_ | # ls |
| 20:13.36 | bisho_ | S04sd S20pcmcia S40inetd S98opie |
| 20:13.36 | bisho_ | S20apmd S20ssh S60fbvncinput S99rmnologin |
| 20:13.45 | kergoth | bisho_: ? and? |
| 20:13.50 | bisho_ | Why my zaurus isn't loading S60fbvncinput? |
| 20:13.55 | kergoth | is it a dead link? |
| 20:14.03 | bisho_ | no |
| 20:14.19 | kergoth | does it exit immediately after execution/ |
| 20:14.27 | schurig | kergoth: the OE vnc stuff is currenty VERY much sharp-centric |
| 20:14.29 | bisho_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 17 2003 S60fbvncinput -> ../init.d/fbvncinput |
| 20:14.29 | kergoth | it could be running it, but not actually doing anything. |
| 20:14.33 | bisho_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Mar 17 2003 ../init.d/fbvncinput -> /mnt/cf/fs/etc/init.d/fbvncinput |
| 20:14.36 | kergoth | schurig: yeah, i know it is. |
| 20:14.38 | ljp_work | schurig: ya, there shouldnt be too many ifdefs, sandman wanted odevice so we could get rid of all those |
| 20:14.40 | bisho_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1520 Mar 17 2003 /mnt/cf/fs/etc/init.d/fbvncinput |
| 20:14.41 | kergoth | schurig: need to make it generally useful |
| 20:15.14 | bisho_ | S60 is OK? |
| 20:15.21 | schurig | ljp_work: the last time I looked I saw LOTS of ifdefs |
| 20:15.31 | bisho_ | before opie and other things or should start before? |
| 20:15.31 | ljp_work | hmm. still? |
| 20:15.47 | schurig | ljp_work: that was about a month ago, maybe two weeks more |
| 20:15.49 | bisho_ | If I exec by hand: |
| 20:15.50 | bisho_ | ./S60fbvncinput start |
| 20:15.50 | bisho_ | Starting VNC Server input daemon: devices tssimd |
| 20:17.09 | sandtrip | ice - your name is on the front page of / . |
| 20:18.22 | treke | hrm. looks like kenfrick got the specs totally wrong |
| 20:18.30 | treke | 32MB flash and 64mb ram |
| 20:18.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:18.59 | kergoth | ljp_work: there are quite a few ifdefs in library/ |
| 20:19.06 | kergoth | ljp_work: where we cant use odevice |
| 20:23.24 | bisho_ | kergoth: The fbinput was not loaded |
| 20:23.37 | bisho_ | At the begining of the script there is a check like: |
| 20:24.06 | bisho_ | if [ ! -g /usr/sbin/tssimd ... |
| 20:24.20 | bisho_ | Maybe is not mounted at this point? |
| 20:24.26 | kergoth | its -x, and -x must not be following symlinks. |
| 20:24.27 | Com[Plex] | http://mr-31238.mr.valuehost.co.uk/assets/Flash/psychic.swf |
| 20:24.31 | kergoth | it wouldve worked if you installed it to flash |
| 20:24.45 | Com[Plex] | ahh, screw you guys, youll figure it out too quick |
| 20:25.10 | bisho_ | Ok |
| 20:25.13 | bisho_ | thx |
| 20:25.20 | bisho_ | I will change it then... |
| 20:25.44 | bisho_ | I'm goind to dinner... |
| 20:27.08 | kenb | http://pub.ibonation.com/fun.jpg/idiot.jpg |
| 20:27.27 | schurig | icefox: nice monitor :-) |
| 20:27.37 | yeiazel | kenb: :) |
| 20:28.34 | gaurdian | so icefox , can we expect a new 5500 rom now that the 5600 is out ? |
| 20:28.39 | icefox | http://csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/network/ ? |
| 20:28.47 | schurig | icefox: yeah |
| 20:28.53 | icefox | gaurdian: um I can't comment on that at this point :-D |
| 20:29.07 | icefox | thanks, you can get them cheap on e-bay now, thinking of getting two. |
| 20:29.20 | icefox | or even the SGI ones (same thing differnt logo), but are cheaper |
| 20:29.27 | sandtrip | icefox - which is cheap on ebay? |
| 20:29.34 | icefox | my monitor |
| 20:29.39 | icefox | only $700 or so |
| 20:29.45 | sandtrip | ah |
| 20:29.54 | schurig | hehe, and then MultiHead X-Windows ... and FlightGear ... |
| 20:29.54 | sandtrip | you use an omnicube? |
| 20:29.56 | numatrix | icefox: You see the 5500 for 179 from HSN? |
| 20:29.58 | gaurdian | ok, well if you were to put odds on it what would you say ? |
| 20:29.59 | chouimat | kenb: lol |
| 20:30.05 | icefox | numatrix: yah I put that up |
| 20:30.11 | icefox | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=GDM-FW900 |
| 20:30.13 | numatrix | icefox: Heh. Nifty. |
| 20:30.20 | icefox | $305 &$^&%^$!!!! |
| 20:30.21 | sandtrip | i thought they only support up to 75hz refresh |
| 20:30.54 | icefox | ha! try 320 |
| 20:31.08 | sandtrip | icefox - the omnicube i mean |
| 20:31.10 | icefox | course I don't know any card that can do that |
| 20:31.44 | icefox | oh, no I don't pass through the omni cube. THe monitor has 2 imputs. My main input uses the four rgbv cables |
| 20:31.56 | icefox | the rest of my computers do use the omnicube |
| 20:31.59 | sandtrip | gotcha |
| 20:32.08 | kenb | icefox: re: mediaplayer - I sort of do that. I have a web interface on my mass-storage mp3 box. I use the Z to do playlists and control. |
| 20:32.37 | icefox | cool |
| 20:32.47 | icefox | just one of those things I have been thinking of doing |
| 20:32.49 | kenb | I hacked sonicelf.sf.net |
| 20:32.58 | kenb | since I know the guy who wrote it |
| 20:32.59 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.00 | icefox | hehe |
| 20:33.40 | icefox | man if it doesn't go over $500. Just image having a widescreen widescreen.... |
| 20:34.02 | schurig | ljp_work: rgrep -rl QT_QWS_EBX results in core/apps/calibrate/main.cpp core/launcher/main.cpp core/opie-login/main.cpp noncore/multimedia/opieplayer2/mediaplayer.cpp noncore/settings/sound/soundsettings.cpp noncore/tools/formatter/formatter.cpp noncore/unsupported/appskey/appskey.cpp x11/libqpe-x11/qpe/qpeapplication.cpp |
| 20:34.32 | schurig | ljp_work: grepping for other QT_QWS yield similar results. No, things are not really concentrated in odevice.cpp :-( |
| 20:34.43 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 20:35.19 | schurig | (that was from OPIE, current CVS) |
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| 20:37.09 | Twiun | hey nofpu |
| 20:37.24 | nofpu | hiya Twiun |
| 20:39.35 | treke | ~lart redhat |
| 20:41.12 | icefox | ~lart foo |
| 20:41.27 | icefox | ~lart ibot |
| 20:41.32 | icefox | dang |
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| 20:41.59 | treke | stupid thing cant keep track of which mta I want to use |
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| 20:44.55 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm on another ipkg bugfixing spree.. any major bugs anyone want fixed? |
| 20:45.20 | kenb | I dunno if it's ipkg or aqpkg... |
| 20:45.20 | TheMasterMind1 | there was an ipkg todo somewhere.. |
| 20:45.29 | kenb | but if you have stable enabled, and testing.. |
| 20:45.31 | schurig | TheMasterMind1: did you clean up the mess that was in CVS a week ago? (e.g. *.o files there) |
| 20:45.36 | TheMasterMind1 | schurig: ya |
| 20:45.40 | kenb | and pick like.. kismet-qt from testing, it'll pull dependancies from stable. |
| 20:46.03 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 20:46.08 | kenb | ie: it should pull from it's own feed first. |
| 20:46.09 | kergoth | oh, someone mentioned that on handhelds.org.. something wrong with version comparisons |
| 20:46.12 | kergoth | or something |
| 20:46.12 | gaurdian | anyonme here use kermit or minicom on their Z ? |
| 20:46.55 | schurig | TheMasterMind1: in OE there is a patch from me in packages/ipkg-x86 that disables execution of the pre/post scripts. Maybe you can add this but only disable the scripts if there is an offline_root |
| 20:47.07 | TheMasterMind1 | schurig: its in cvs now |
| 20:47.29 | kergoth | yeah, that was part of pb's patch, wasnt it? |
| 20:47.32 | kenb | TheMasterMind1: think you can fix that feed bug? |
| 20:47.33 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 20:47.36 | schurig | gaurdian: I used kermit once to program a GSM cell phone on my hardware |
| 20:47.38 | TheMasterMind1 | kenb: i'll try |
| 20:47.43 | schurig | gaurdian: ckermit, to be specific |
| 20:47.59 | kenb | TheMasterMind1: that'd rock. I disabled all but unstable now so it wouldn't hose my install. |
| 20:48.06 | ljp_work | imagine that-> Security hole in Windows 2000 servers |
| 20:49.04 | nofpu | it was easy |
| 20:49.39 | kenb | http://koti.mbnet.fi/tiksuh/ThismustbeAmerica!.jpg |
| 20:50.14 | kenb | that's just *sad* |
| 20:50.19 | Twiun | lol |
| 20:50.25 | Twiun | makes sense though |
| 20:50.30 | nofpu | hehe |
| 20:50.33 | kenb | escalators up and down? |
| 20:51.00 | schurig | and I thought it was about Bush and Saddam ... |
| 20:51.05 | Twiun | yeah, gotta eat those doughnuts when exercising |
| 20:51.25 | chouimat | kenb: I wonders if they have motorized stationary bike |
| 20:51.36 | kenb | chouimat: gas powered ? ;) |
| 20:51.46 | chouimat | kenb: yup |
| 20:52.37 | kenb | oh god. |
| 20:52.40 | kenb | http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1409 |
| 20:53.33 | chouimat | kenb: hmmm corporate emails :) |
| 20:53.52 | Twiun | Hahahaha |
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| 20:55.29 | Bowser | Hi ppl |
| 20:55.34 | Twiun | hey Bowser |
| 20:55.43 | Bowser | Hi Twiun |
| 20:56.12 | chouimat | kenb: I wonder what was the inapropriate position |
| 20:56.32 | JasonNJ | must have involved the use of a lightsaber |
| 20:57.25 | chouimat | JasonNJ: maybe |
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| 21:05.35 | prox | Don't mean to be off-topic, but are people here aware that openzaurus.org is fairly broken in IE? |
| 21:07.06 | chouimat | prox: nah! it's IE that is broken |
| 21:08.57 | prox | heh, I don't doubt it .. |
| 21:09.37 | yeiazel | :) |
| 21:10.02 | bisho_ | :) |
| 21:15.20 | troff|420 | schurig: did you ever use TKDesk? |
| 21:16.20 | schurig | troff|420: now, is it something from TheKompany? |
| 21:16.48 | troff|420 | nah, it's an ancient desktop thingy, from the days of FVWM, I mention it because |
| 21:17.24 | troff|420 | that's where I got my nick from, it used to run 'groff -t ascii' on man page files |
| 21:17.29 | icefox | P.S. Please do NOT speak to anyone in the media or customers about our "Pro Forma" vs. "GAAP" profitability. Less is more, in this case. Please also refer any questions about the resignation of our most recent CEO to investor relations. |
| 21:17.29 | icefox | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.30 | icefox | haha |
| 21:17.40 | icefox | from the above link |
| 21:19.08 | chouimat | icefox: which link? |
| 21:19.25 | schurig | chouimat: probably www.internalmemos.com |
| 21:19.57 | chouimat | ok |
| 21:20.00 | schurig | too late for me |
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| 21:21.12 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 21:21.17 | Twiun | wtf? |
| 21:21.20 | TheMasterMind1 | 1.3tb/month is a lot of bandwidth |
| 21:21.34 | Twiun | qapp = new QPEApplication() never returns if there's no qws server running |
| 21:21.35 | icefox | ibot install modgzip for TheMaterMind1 |
| 21:21.35 | | icefox: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:21.46 | Twiun | talk about really POOR problem handling |
| 21:22.27 | TheMasterMind1 | icefox: thats with modgzip enabled |
| 21:23.07 | icefox | oh hehe |
| 21:23.53 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't even want to think about what it'd be like without gzip |
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| 21:33.39 | kenb | that sounds like something I said. |
| 21:34.02 | chouimat|gone | ljp_work: LSD? |
| 21:34.33 | treke | ljp_work: BSD? |
| 21:34.52 | dc__ | ljp_work: not gzipping your garden again are you? |
| 21:35.48 | treke | the University of California at Berkeley is famous for both LSD and BSD Unix. |
| 21:35.56 | treke | this isnt thought to be a coincidence |
| 21:36.14 | ljp_work | oh, sorry, wrong flashback |
| 21:37.04 | bisho_ | Where is stored deviation time of the time program? |
| 21:37.14 | dc__ | treke: ;) |
| 21:37.19 | bisho_ | My date was reseted after the reboot |
| 21:37.53 | bisho_ | and now it things I have a deviation of 1.29*10^6 secs |
| 21:38.06 | bisho_ | s/things/thinks/ |
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| 21:55.25 | bipolar | has anyone here still having problems getting buildroot to build ipkg for the target |
| 21:55.55 | kergoth | you mrproper'd it and rebuilt? |
| 21:56.03 | bipolar | kergoth:yes |
| 21:56.12 | kergoth | havent tested it recently myself |
| 21:58.21 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: when did you mrproper it |
| 21:58.35 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: about 2 hours ago |
| 21:58.45 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: try again |
| 21:59.17 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: Ok... so that I don't wipe my whole tree again... can you please tell me exactly how I mrproper just ipkg? |
| 21:59.36 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg-x86 packages/ipkg" mrproper |
| 21:59.41 | TheMasterMind1 | make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean; make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean-sources; make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg package |
| 21:59.45 | TheMasterMind1 | or that |
| 21:59.49 | kergoth | mrproper = clean + clean-sources |
| 21:59.57 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 22:00.15 | bipolar | thanku-thanku |
| 22:01.37 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: are you planning on doing an rc3.2 release? |
| 22:01.49 | bipolar | damn... same error |
| 22:01.53 | TheMasterMind1 | we've fixed most of the bugs reported with 3.1 |
| 22:01.57 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: whats the error |
| 22:01.59 | bipolar | arm-linux-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I./busybox-0.60.3 -g -O -Wall -DHOST_CPU_STR=\"arm\" -DBUILD_CPU=i386 -c `test -f 'void_list.c' || echo './'`void_list.c |
| 22:01.59 | bipolar | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `busybox-0.60.3/libbb.a', needed by `ipkg'. Stop. |
| 22:01.59 | bipolar | make[4]: Leaving directory `/mnt/smb_home/bflong/arm/buildroot-oz/build/ipkg/C' |
| 22:02.17 | bipolar | I think it's just looking for libbb.a in the wrong spot |
| 22:02.30 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: rm -rf sources/famililar stamps/.ipkg* build/ipkg* |
| 22:03.15 | bipolar | just for reference: |
| 22:03.15 | bipolar | $ find -name libbb.a |
| 22:03.16 | bipolar | ./build/ipkg-x86/C/busybox-0.60.3/libbb.a |
| 22:03.18 | bipolar | ./build/busybox/libbb/libbb.a |
| 22:06.24 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i know |
| 22:06.44 | bipolar | hmmm... same error on make |
| 22:06.46 | mickeyl | yep, tmm1 is right. ipkg has just been fixed. |
| 22:07.32 | bipolar | any other ideas? |
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| 22:08.22 | AndyQ | hey everyone |
| 22:08.25 | kergoth | hey AndyQ |
| 22:08.27 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 22:08.28 | bipolar | AndyQ: yo |
| 22:08.36 | mickeyl | bipolar: try it once again. 1.) bk pull 2.) make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean; make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg clean-sources; make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg |
| 22:08.42 | AndyQ | phew - lifes been kinda sucky |
| 22:08.45 | mickeyl | ho dnay |
| 22:08.49 | mickeyl | andy even |
| 22:08.53 | AndyQ | heh |
| 22:08.56 | mickeyl | sucky ? why? |
| 22:09.37 | AndyQ | just not much fun - wifes been in hospital (shes fine now) |
| 22:09.38 | kergoth | mickeyl: whew, okay after fighting perl some, deps.pl checks and prevents circular deps now. |
| 22:09.44 | AndyQ | just not much time to do much |
| 22:10.00 | kergoth | at least, it checks for a first level circular, it doesnt follow deps to produce the entire tree |
| 22:10.08 | kergoth | but who cares, close enough |
| 22:10.25 | bipolar | AndyQ: What happend to your wife? Nothing real bad I hope... |
| 22:11.03 | AndyQ | nah - just a 'plumbing' check up that turned up a few suprises |
| 22:11.12 | bipolar | ahh.... |
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| 22:11.14 | AndyQ | but hopefully thats all sorted |
| 22:11.24 | mickeyl | kergoth: good job! |
| 22:11.32 | mickeyl | kergoth: brigdge - we have a new problem... |
| 22:11.36 | AndyQ | wont know completely for a few months |
| 22:11.38 | mickeyl | bridge even |
| 22:11.39 | mickeyl | usr/local/projects/openzaurus/output/staging/i386-linux/bin/libtool /usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/local/bin/distcc arm-linux-gcc -DOS_UNIX=1 -DOS_WIN=0 -DHAVE_USLEEP=1 -I. -I./src -DNO_TCL=1 -c ./src/auth.c |
| 22:11.39 | mickeyl | libtool: warning: cannot infer operation mode from `/usr/local/bin/ccache' |
| 22:11.40 | mickeyl | libtool: you must specify a MODE |
| 22:11.40 | mickeyl | Try `libtool --help' for more information. |
| 22:11.40 | mickeyl | make[2]: *** [auth.lo] Fehler 1 |
| 22:11.47 | mickeyl | regression problem. this used to work |
| 22:11.52 | mickeyl | libtool again *sigh* |
| 22:12.08 | kergoth | mickeyl: use the $(word stuff |
| 22:12.17 | kergoth | mickeyl: that strips out everything but gcc from the CC var |
| 22:12.22 | kergoth | its in quite a few makefiles in buildroot |
| 22:12.23 | AndyQ | so whats been happening round here - saw rc3's out of the door - haven't/wont have much Z time at the moment :( |
| 22:12.25 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah yes, i know |
| 22:12.28 | AndyQ | anything else wonderful? |
| 22:12.29 | mickeyl | kergoth: thanx |
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| 22:12.35 | kergoth | np |
| 22:12.36 | kergoth | hey ||ugh |
| 22:12.54 | mickeyl | AndyQ: please greet her from all of us here on #openembedded and wish her the best, will ya? |
| 22:13.08 | AndyQ | ta - I will |
| 22:13.15 | ||ugh | Hey, live from the IETF (Hilton) bar! Too bad I don't drink. Congrats on 3.1-3.1. |
| 22:13.51 | ||ugh | FYI it does not work very well on SL-5000, but I with hold judegment until I get it running on my SL-5500. |
| 22:15.31 | ||ugh | Does anyone know if SL-5600's are for sale on the street anywhere? |
| 22:16.01 | kergoth | it doesnt work well on the 5000d? how so? |
| 22:17.30 | ||ugh | Mostly flakey, it was REALLY flakey before we figured out it was a Sl-5000 and were installing the SL-5500 kernel! I will get my person with the unit to show up here and explain what he is seeing. |
| 22:18.31 | bipolar | mickeyl: seems to have worked this time, thanks. |
| 22:19.25 | ||ugh | I should say that "mostly flakey" is hard crashing, when it works it works fine on the SL-5000. We had thought we bought a SL-5500 as it was in a store in January! |
| 22:20.24 | Twiun | kergoth: argh. even my wonka frames get displaced down by 1/4 of the screen when running as guiserver=true |
| 22:20.39 | sheenmaster | Twiun: argh. |
| 22:20.51 | Twiun | sheenmaster: no issues if run from opie though |
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| 22:21.08 | Twiun | sheenmaster: might be something in the environment |
| 22:22.54 | sheenmaster | Twiun: probably is. Like how what should be the bottom row of pixels is displayed at the top on my iBook |
| 22:23.11 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I'll make a fix for X when I get a chance. |
| 22:23.59 | bipolar | If I just built the buildroot from scratch today, why do all the opie ipks have a datestamp of the 13th? Was something changed in the versioning? |
| 22:24.53 | sheenmaster | bipolar: it's an omen |
| 22:25.05 | treke | bipolar: CVSDATE variable in packages/opie/Makefile |
| 22:25.32 | sheenmaster | bipolar: You'll have bad luck if you don't buy me a server for compiling buildroot. |
| 22:25.33 | bipolar | treke: shit... I didn't know that. Now I gotta built the ipks again. :p |
| 22:25.50 | mickeyl | bipolar: i hope you have ccache running :-D |
| 22:25.56 | mickeyl | then it'd be a breeze |
| 22:26.05 | bipolar | mickeyl: nope. :\ |
| 22:26.13 | sheenmaster | kergoth: have you figured out what's going on with kismet yet? |
| 22:26.16 | mickeyl | bipolar: d'oh. you really should. it's great. |
| 22:26.30 | treke | bipolar: I was thinking that belongs in menu_config |
| 22:27.10 | Twiun | is "-geometry 240x320+-20x-20" a valid geometry arg? |
| 22:27.29 | ljp_work | -20? |
| 22:28.11 | Twiun | trying to offset windows |
| 22:28.40 | Twiun | size 240x320, shifted by -20 in both x and y |
| 22:28.42 | ljp_work | ahh, I dont think you need the +- |
| 22:28.46 | ljp_work | just a - |
| 22:29.06 | treke | Twiun: try 240x320+20+20 |
| 22:29.36 | Twiun | hrm. no effect |
| 22:30.05 | treke | what app? |
| 22:30.08 | AndyQ | hey Twiun |
| 22:30.30 | Twiun | hey AndyQ |
| 22:30.39 | Twiun | treke: konqueror |
| 22:30.54 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: hey, long time no see |
| 22:30.56 | Twiun | treke: I've got it maximised, but it's 1/4 down the screen |
| 22:31.04 | Twiun | treke: running with -qws |
| 22:31.08 | ljp_work | -20-20 the left and top would appear off screen |
| 22:31.17 | AndyQ | hey TheMasterMind1: yeah - been kinda busy (real life fun stuff) |
| 22:31.22 | kergoth | sheenmaster: uh, I have confirmed reports that it works flawlessly in -rc3.1. |
| 22:31.28 | bipolar | is there any way to get buildroot to repackage opie ipk's? It seems to be skiping it now. |
| 22:31.31 | Twiun | ljp_work: right, but because it's maximised, that geometry stuff seems to be ignored |
| 22:31.32 | AndyQ | managed to turn on the computer for once |
| 22:31.43 | treke | qws probably ignores it |
| 22:31.47 | ljp_work | Twiun: yep |
| 22:31.54 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: heh |
| 22:32.04 | Twiun | doesn't tell me why it's 1/4 down the screen though :) |
| 22:32.20 | AndyQ | Twiun: was Ewe any use? |
| 22:32.48 | Twiun | AndyQ: fraid not, or at least not yet, but its code was an interesting read :) |
| 22:33.01 | AndyQ | shame - looked quite good |
| 22:33.11 | Twiun | yup |
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| 22:33.25 | Twiun | it's biggest problem is forcing people to use a whole new set of gui classes |
| 22:34.02 | AndyQ | yeah - I thought that but I thought that you could maybe 'borrow' some of the gui implementation stuff |
| 22:34.27 | Twiun | treke: any ideas why konq (maximised) would get shifted down by 1/4 of the screen? |
| 22:34.52 | treke | Twiun: did you call showMaximized? |
| 22:34.53 | Twiun | AndyQ: I thought so too, but there's not really a great deal that is liftable that way, oh well :) |
| 22:35.15 | Twiun | treke: konq does that itself |
| 22:35.21 | AndyQ | I'll keep looking....... |
| 22:35.51 | Twiun | treke: compiled it with --with-gui=kiosk |
| 22:36.33 | Twiun | treke: but I get the 'shifted down by 1/4' with every app |
| 22:36.44 | Twiun | treke: just tried aqpkg |
| 22:38.41 | Twiun | anyone else ssh into their Z? |
| 22:38.52 | Twiun | wanna see if I can get this duplicated |
| 22:38.56 | bipolar | Twiun: yeah |
| 22:39.04 | chouimat | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/pic1.jpg |
| 22:39.36 | bipolar | chouimat: server timeout |
| 22:39.43 | AndyQ | chouimat: scary! |
| 22:39.56 | Twiun | bipolar: /etc/init.d/opie stop ; aqpkq -qws, from ssh |
| 22:40.02 | bipolar | chouimat: never mine.. got it. :) |
| 22:40.06 | chouimat | AndyQ: hehe |
| 22:40.28 | chouimat | AndyQ: the capture is not good |
| 22:40.41 | AndyQ | chouimat: that expression is not good! |
| 22:40.51 | chouimat | andersee: :P |
| 22:41.00 | chouimat | s/andersee/andyq |
| 22:41.08 | andersee | chouimat: eh? |
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| 22:41.36 | chouimat | andersee: tab completion |
| 22:41.48 | Twiun | bipolar: any joy? |
| 22:42.12 | bipolar | Twiun: Looks good here. It's in landscape though. |
| 22:43.18 | Twiun | bipolar: oops, export QWS_DISPLAY='Transformed:Rot270:0' |
| 22:44.52 | bipolar | Twiun: yeah. I see it now. |
| 22:45.04 | AndyQ | lol |
| 22:45.16 | Twiun | bipolar: rc3? |
| 22:45.19 | bipolar | Twiun: that goofy |
| 22:45.20 | AndyQ | chouimat: lol |
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| 22:45.22 | bipolar | Twiun: yeah. |
| 22:46.33 | bipolar | Twiun: since opie comes up even with that veriable set, I'd check the opie init script and see whats going on. |
| 22:46.46 | Twiun | bipolar: yeah, good point |
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| 22:54.46 | mickeyl | www.samba.org has severe problems with its mirrors... is there another address? |
| 22:55.24 | Twiun | how can I find out what source files make up the qpe binary in opie? |
| 22:55.50 | mickeyl | Twiun: core/launcher |
| 22:56.51 | TheMasterMind1 | the makefiles |
| 22:57.35 | Twiun | thanks |
| 22:58.11 | Twiun | trying to find out why qpe doesn't suffer from the shift down by 1/4 bug that everything else started with -qws suffers with |
| 22:59.25 | mickeyl | hmm... how' bout showMaximized() ? |
| 22:59.41 | mickeyl | or showMainWidget() ? |
| 23:00.03 | Twiun | nope, they still suffer |
| 23:00.08 | mickeyl | i noticed this behaviour with programs who use the QApplication style setMainWidget(); show() combo |
| 23:00.24 | mickeyl | QPEApplication() programs should use showMainWindow() instead. |
| 23:00.28 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:00.40 | Twiun | lemme try showMainWindow in wonka |
| 23:00.42 | dmalloc | zooooooooooooooz! never break your Zaurus pointing stick and have the tip stuck inside the channel. |
| 23:00.47 | dmalloc | it is HELL getting it out |
| 23:00.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:00.54 | TheMasterMind1 | happened to me once |
| 23:00.59 | TheMasterMind1 | just gotta bang it hard enough |
| 23:01.09 | dmalloc | I used a straw :) |
| 23:01.17 | dmalloc | <-- sometimes has bright moments |
| 23:01.28 | Twiun | mickeyl: lol, I don't use setMainWidget *anywhere* in wonka |
| 23:01.40 | Twiun | mickeyl: I just use show() on a per-QFrame basis |
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| 23:01.53 | noda | Moo! |
| 23:02.25 | dmalloc | moo |
| 23:03.58 | TheMasterMind1 | boo |
| 23:05.36 | chouimat | hi noda |
| 23:06.00 | yeiazel | \o/ /ŻoŻ\ oŻ_ /o\ ... YMCA ! It's fun to stay at the... |
| 23:07.00 | chouimat | ewwww YMCA |
| 23:07.14 | yeiazel | sorry :) |
| 23:09.06 | ccamp | nanholy hell |
| 23:09.08 | ccamp | holy |
| 23:09.13 | ccamp | 5500's are CHEAP |
| 23:09.17 | bipolar | hehe |
| 23:09.25 | noda | Yeah, makes me feel pretty stupid for not waiting ;) |
| 23:09.31 | bipolar | or 3.... :) |
| 23:09.31 | ccamp | no kidding |
| 23:09.33 | ccamp | 150 bucks |
| 23:09.35 | ccamp | shit damn. |
| 23:09.39 | noda | I paid almost 3 times that much :) |
| 23:10.05 | Twiun | gf is evicting me from 'puter. guess I'll have to do some work some other day. |
| 23:10.09 | bipolar | I paid full price when they very first came out. I'd do it again too. :) |
| 23:10.12 | Twiun | g'night guys |
| 23:10.15 | mickeyl | ibot: seen DocWhat |
| 23:10.20 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 21h 30m 17s ago, saying: 'I'm gone for the night'. |
| 23:10.20 | ccamp | cya |
| 23:10.20 | bipolar | Twiun: later |
| 23:10.43 | mickeyl | samba 2.2.8 is out and the patch for 2.2.7a no longer applies |
| 23:10.57 | bipolar | mickeyl: sucks |
| 23:11.17 | chouimat | TABARNACK! ya un imbecile qui veint de poser une affiche avec la face a landry directement enface de ma fenetre de bureau ... ma etre pogner a fermer les stores maintenant |
| 23:11.21 | mickeyl | bipolar: yep.... docWhat will be able to fix it :) |
| 23:11.28 | bipolar | heh |
| 23:14.45 | _Psycho | rofl choui ;) |
| 23:15.08 | chouimat | _Psycho: je crois que je vais aller la decalisser cette nuit ... |
| 23:15.30 | bipolar | Anyone know where in buildroot to find the setting to build the codecs for opieplayer2? |
| 23:15.57 | noda | libxine1... |
| 23:16.30 | noda | Graphic-related libraries |
| 23:16.49 | bipolar | hmmm... it's set. I wonder why it's not built. :\ |
| 23:18.12 | bipolar | well, anyway. I've uploaded a new set of packages to the feed. Others (like konq-e) are being built now. |
| 23:18.16 | TheMasterMind1 | it makes libxine1.ipk |
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| 23:19.01 | bipolar | TheMasterMind1: but thats not what opie-mediaplayer2 depends on, is it? |
| 23:19.10 | noda | Fix the Package file :) |
| 23:19.12 | noda | It should |
| 23:19.47 | AndyQ | hey noda |
| 23:19.52 | noda | AndyQ: Heya! |
| 23:20.05 | TheMasterMind1 | bipolar: yea, thats borken |
| 23:20.09 | Terrasque | openzaurus don't recognize my wlan card :-( Anyone have very good ideas? the brand is 'pretec' and it used the prism2 module under original rom. |
| 23:20.12 | TheMasterMind1 | the control file isn't being patched |
| 23:20.13 | AndyQ | noda: hows things? |
| 23:20.21 | noda | AndyQ: Oh, always the same. You? |
| 23:20.22 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: cardctl ident |
| 23:20.25 | noda | How's the wife? |
| 23:20.34 | AndyQ | oh - getting back to some normality - slowly |
| 23:20.36 | bipolar | well... time to run. |
| 23:20.38 | bipolar | later all! |
| 23:20.39 | noda | Good :) |
| 23:20.40 | AndyQ | noda: shes getting better |
| 23:21.06 | Terrasque | TheMasterMind1: didnt make things clearer.. :-/ |
| 23:21.07 | AndyQ | noda: its been a challenging couple of weeks |
| 23:21.09 | TheMasterMind1 | AndyQ: new ipkg has a -V commandline option to control verbosity.. -V 2 is the way it is right now, with the detailed steps of what its doing |
| 23:21.12 | noda | I can imagine |
| 23:21.14 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: paste that here |
| 23:21.18 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: the output of that |
| 23:21.24 | Terrasque | 10 secs |
| 23:21.43 | AndyQ | TheMasterMind1: cool! I'm hoping to get back in Z things in a little while - haven't ad much time to play recently :( |
| 23:21.55 | AndyQ | looking forward to playing with all the new stuff! |
| 23:22.12 | noda | AndyQ: 3.1rc3 has sweet Crystal icons :) |
| 23:22.17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:22.29 | TheMasterMind1 | new opie is nice |
| 23:22.31 | AndyQ | noda: yeah - I heard - any screen shots available (for me to drool over)? |
| 23:22.39 | noda | AndyQ: Bah, no idea. |
| 23:22.57 | TheMasterMind1 | should update the oz screenshots site |
| 23:22.59 | AndyQ | hehe - I noticed that OZ.org updates have been a bit sparse :) |
| 23:23.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i really wanna do animated gifs |
| 23:23.09 | noda | AndyQ: You wouldn't believe how busy I've been. |
| 23:23.21 | AndyQ | noda: yeah - I would |
| 23:23.22 | noda | Speaking of which, I got a score of 117 on the AMC 12 math competition. Anyone know if that's good or bad? |
| 23:23.30 | noda | Heh, probably, come to think of it. |
| 23:23.44 | ccamp | who takes math competitions? |
| 23:23.45 | ccamp | heh |
| 23:23.46 | noda | It's the highest in my school, and I've been "invited" to the next competition, the AIME competition. |
| 23:23.47 | Terrasque | TheMasterMind1: prod info: "Pretec", "CompactWLAN Card 802.11b", "2.5" | manfid: 0x0156, 0x002 | function: 6 (network) | Socket 1: no prod info available |
| 23:23.56 | AndyQ | noda: must be pretty good |
| 23:23.58 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: invitation to AIME is very good |
| 23:24.09 | noda | ccamp: Well, one uni asked me to take one and the guy in charge in my school accidentally registered me in this AMC 12 :P |
| 23:24.21 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Define "very" in terms of percentile or something :) |
| 23:25.18 | TheMasterMind1 | The AMC12, a competition for any student in the twelfth grade or below. It is a 75-minute, 25-question multiple choice test, with a maximum score of 150. |
| 23:25.25 | TheMasterMind1 | The American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME), a second-level competition. It is open to students who score above 100 on the AMC12, in the 95th percentile on the AMC12, or in the 99th percentile on the AMC10. |
| 23:25.40 | noda | Well, I guess that's okay. |
| 23:25.45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:25.50 | TheMasterMind1 | better than okay |
| 23:25.51 | noda | I made a frickin' stupid mistake on one question though, it pissed me off as soon as I handed it in :) |
| 23:25.54 | Terrasque | TheMasterMind1: did the paste help? |
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| 23:26.20 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: ya |
| 23:26.24 | AndyQ | dmalloc: we called it multiple guess :) |
| 23:26.26 | Terrasque | dmalloc: choose as many as possible :-p |
| 23:26.28 | dmalloc | standardized test are so well.. dtremental |
| 23:26.52 | noda | dmalloc: You are a doctor and your patient is dying. Do you: a) perform CPR, b) check his pockets for change, or c) speed up the process, to spare him some pain? |
| 23:27.03 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: try, modprobe hostap_cs |
| 23:27.05 | noda | dmalloc: I'd rather multiple choice than a dying patient and too many options :P |
| 23:27.07 | Terrasque | b & c |
| 23:27.12 | AndyQ | a) |
| 23:27.22 | AndyQ | hippocratic oath and all |
| 23:27.36 | noda | In all seriousness, though, I find it scary that doctors' exams are mostly multiple-choice :P |
| 23:27.38 | chouimat | a) |
| 23:27.45 | AndyQ | noda: what was it? |
| 23:27.46 | dmalloc | noda: well not here ;) |
| 23:27.54 | noda | dmalloc: Standardized tests are sweet. I can throw numbers around like "800 score in Math section of SAT". It turns some heads. |
| 23:28.05 | noda | AndyQ: Oh, hell, I just made it up. All three I'd say :) |
| 23:28.10 | AndyQ | doh! |
| 23:28.11 | AndyQ | :) |
| 23:28.14 | chouimat | noda: that explain why we got so many very dumb doctor lately |
| 23:28.14 | dmalloc | noda: yes, but it does not make you smarter |
| 23:28.22 | AndyQ | thought that was the question you made a stupid error on :) |
| 23:28.25 | Terrasque | TheMasterMind1: nothing happend. ifconfig -a only shows irda and loopback |
| 23:28.29 | noda | dmalloc: Define 'smart'. |
| 23:28.49 | noda | dmalloc: If a smart person doesn't learn the 'tricks' to get a good mark on the exam, he's not really that clever. |
| 23:28.57 | kergoth | tests simply test your ability to take tests. |
| 23:28.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:29.07 | noda | Exactly. |
| 23:29.20 | noda | But it's the best you can do to compare yourself to others, which is what "they" need you to do. |
| 23:29.28 | AndyQ | kergoth: true! We spent 2 years at school trialing aptitude tests for industry |
| 23:29.43 | AndyQ | kergoth: you soon learn the little tricks that up your score substantially |
| 23:29.51 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:29.53 | AndyQ | kergoth: helped to get my current job :) |
| 23:30.02 | dmalloc | noda: Imho you are less able to adapt quickly to complicated situation utilizing the basic patterns you learned to match up against a different situation. Standardized test can be paraphrased and the technique is (as Ihave been told) easily learned and migrated to other tests. |
| 23:30.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how do you get prism based wifi card without a pcmcia entry working? just add one based on cardctl ident and bind to hostap_cs? |
| 23:30.14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 23:30.20 | dmalloc | to a marginally smart personm they should pose no real problem |
| 23:30.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: will just modprobing the module work also? |
| 23:30.28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 23:30.29 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 23:30.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cardmgr does something.. i dont know what |
| 23:30.40 | kergoth | but without it, it doesnt work |
| 23:30.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:30.47 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: edit /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf |
| 23:30.52 | noda | dmalloc: Exactly. They're just bad for less smart people (or people with slower pattern recognition, I think) which is kind of the point. |
| 23:31.26 | dmalloc | noda: I was 15 when I was in teh US for a year. I visited the senior classes and wrote straight A's now either those tests were too easy or our school system is a LOT stricter. |
| 23:31.30 | chouimat | noda: test sucks anyway they doesn't prove anything |
| 23:31.30 | kergoth | noda, dmalloc: eh, your ability to learn the tricks to pass a test doesnt imply real intelligence or adaptiveness in the real world. far from. |
| 23:31.45 | noda | dmalloc: American schools are easier, period :) |
| 23:32.01 | kergoth | In fact, some of the most intelligent people I've ever met in my life to date, score horribly on tests. |
| 23:32.05 | noda | kergoth: No, but adaptiveness to the real world provides the ability to take standardized tests. |
| 23:32.14 | noda | In MY opinion anyway |
| 23:32.22 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: you should be able to follow the format. add an entry for your card, using the info that you pasted from cardctl ident |
| 23:32.23 | kergoth | yes. an intelligent person does well |
| 23:32.30 | kergoth | but not doing well doesnt imply a lack of intelligence. |
| 23:32.40 | noda | I approach a math problem the same way I would a computing problem or even a love problem (though it doesn't seem to work too well for those :P) |
| 23:32.43 | Terrasque | TheMasterMind1: working on it (miss pico :-/ ) |
| 23:32.47 | chouimat | noda: not sure ... the best test I seen is how you try to resolve a problem .... |
| 23:32.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:33.00 | noda | chouimat: Real-world tests are the only REAL tests for the real world, yeah :) |
| 23:33.01 | kergoth | it simply implies a lack of test taking ability, which _may_ or _may not_ be due to a lack of intelligence |
| 23:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | vim > nano > pico |
| 23:33.16 | Terrasque | nano > vim |
| 23:33.21 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:33.23 | kergoth | ~lart Terrasque |
| 23:33.24 | Terrasque | vim is too much to remember |
| 23:33.31 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: if it works, tell me the entry you added so i can make it part of the oz pcmcia by default |
| 23:33.33 | kergoth | I used to use pico |
| 23:33.36 | kergoth | for a few years |
| 23:33.43 | kergoth | then I realized i was useless on anything but a linux box |
| 23:33.45 | noda | Terrasque: Just press 'i' and it's like pico. |
| 23:33.48 | kergoth | and vi became my very good firend |
| 23:33.56 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
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| 23:34.10 | TheMasterMind1 | trogdor:/home/chaos/www# uptime |
| 23:34.10 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.12 | kergoth | what card does Terrasque have? |
| 23:34.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: pretec wlan |
| 23:34.23 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: wtf |
| 23:34.24 | kergoth | its already added |
| 23:34.30 | kergoth | I added the entry 2 days ago |
| 23:34.31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i dont' see it in my hostap_cs.conf |
| 23:34.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: look in bk. |
| 23:34.38 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 23:34.41 | TheMasterMind1 | but its not in the rc |
| 23:34.43 | kergoth | no, its not. |
| 23:34.51 | Terrasque | and helps me zip :-p |
| 23:34.58 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:35.01 | kergoth | you can fucking wait for a feed update |
| 23:35.05 | kergoth | or add it manually |
| 23:35.12 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: still able to work on that box? |
| 23:35.26 | noda | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.31 | Terrasque | feed update without network.. (too lazy for the usb thingy) |
| 23:36.00 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: heh |
| 23:36.08 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: i need to run this command that i can't run as nonroot |
| 23:36.16 | chouimat | 6:38PM up 89 days, 19:32, 2 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.04, 0.01 |
| 23:36.17 | noda | 'uptime'? |
| 23:36.17 | kergoth | Terrasque: your laziness and/or ineptitude is not my problem. |
| 23:36.23 | kergoth | Terrasque: wait for the next rc- then. |
| 23:36.24 | TheMasterMind1 | for TIME in 1 5; do find /ramdisk -cmin -$TIME -name "sess*" | xargs grep username | wc -l; find /ramdisk -cmin -$TIME -name "sess*" | wc -l; done |
| 23:36.46 | noda | Oh, heh |
| 23:36.54 | TheMasterMind1 | =P |
| 23:37.27 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ipkg is all set, fixed the stupid bugs |
| 23:37.33 | kergoth | yay |
| 23:37.44 | TheMasterMind1 | force reinstall works |
| 23:37.51 | TheMasterMind1 | and you can install local ipks again |
| 23:37.57 | TheMasterMind1 | and verbosity is fixed |
| 23:38.08 | AndyQ | http://www.fr4g.co.uk/fun/weird.jpg - tell me if you believe it (btw it is) |
| 23:38.13 | kergoth | test it on your Z. I was using the locked down date for a reason |
| 23:38.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i did |
| 23:38.23 | kergoth | we need to pound on it to find any more bugs before the next -rc |
| 23:38.29 | kergoth | k |
| 23:38.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm k |
| 23:38.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll test some more |
| 23:38.40 | kergoth | k |
| 23:38.47 | noda | AndyQ: I don't believe it! |
| 23:38.59 | AndyQ | noda: I checked it out in photoshop - it is |
| 23:39.21 | AndyQ | noda: I can't work it out either |
| 23:39.28 | noda | That's just awesome :) |
| 23:39.33 | AndyQ | yup! |
| 23:39.37 | noda | Really neat how the brain works, eh? Everything is relative... |
| 23:39.47 | _Psycho | AndyQ you mean the "white looking" is the same shade ? or the letter ;) |
| 23:40.00 | AndyQ | the white square is the same as the dark one |
| 23:40.05 | noda | The A square is the same as the b square. |
| 23:40.11 | noda | #6b6b6b |
| 23:40.24 | _Psycho | its nto far but doesnt look exactly the same but its not far indeed |
| 23:40.44 | noda | _Psycho: It's identical |
| 23:40.49 | AndyQ | noda: I didn't believe it so I cut the sqaures out and pasted them side by side into a seperate doc and they are |
| 23:40.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:40.56 | _Psycho | yeah i just masked everything |
| 23:40.59 | TheMasterMind1 | is frotz not in the feed anymore |
| 23:41.01 | TheMasterMind1 | did unstable update? |
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| 23:42.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for hostap-modules: |
| 23:42.21 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.46 | kergoth | the kernel images arent in the feeds yet, but we'll be installing kernels via ipkg soon |
| 23:43.03 | TheMasterMind1 | cool, i guess |
| 23:48.05 | AndyQ | night all |
| 23:48.28 | kergoth | night AndyQ |
| 23:49.48 | Terrasque | kergoth: I can't get the entry to work. Could you paste me the entry you made? |
| 23:50.23 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:50.27 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.27 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.27 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg upgrade's output is a mess |
| 23:50.36 | kergoth | thats the one i pulled in, that someone posted to our lists |
| 23:52.38 | Terrasque | hmm... it's similar to mine. Do you have to load the file after it is edited? reboot or something? |
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| 23:53.05 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: similiar probably isn't good enough |
| 23:53.08 | TheMasterMind1 | Terrasque: and you gotta restart pcmcia |
| 23:53.13 | TheMasterMind1 | /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart |
| 23:54.07 | Terrasque | :-] |
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| 23:56.30 | Terrasque | silly pcmcia, had to be restarted |
