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| 00:04.19 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/~micah/images/art/oe_thingy.png <-- updated #1 |
| 00:05.20 | scanline | similar to the ones at http://www.slyfoxdesign.net/perlow/OE/OE.htm, but IMHO less ugly :) |
| 00:05.30 | fishy | nice |
| 00:05.51 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth |
| 00:05.55 | Com[Plex] | you around/ |
| 00:06.22 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:06.24 | TheMasterMind1 | 1 3 5 6 |
| 00:06.27 | TheMasterMind1 | look good |
| 00:06.43 | TheMasterMind1 | 1 3 6 |
| 00:06.53 | scanline | hehe.. some people love #4, some hate it ;) |
| 00:07.08 | Com[Plex] | ive got opera working with rc3.1, but there is one little problem, the Icon appears fine in the applicatiosn menu, but when opera is running, there is no icon in the taskbar. - icons in opera for back, stop, etc are fine. |
| 00:08.02 | Com[Plex] | anyone care to guess what that could be caused by? |
| 00:08.09 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex]: restart opie |
| 00:08.13 | Com[Plex] | did that |
| 00:08.16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm k |
| 00:08.22 | TheMasterMind1 | so its probably not finding the icon then |
| 00:08.37 | Com[Plex] | but it finds it jsut fine for the applications menu. |
| 00:08.43 | TheMasterMind1 | right |
| 00:08.46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:09.22 | Com[Plex] | anyway, thats what I figured as well, but I cant think of where to put it, or a link to it. |
| 00:09.28 | Com[Plex] | whered he go? lol |
| 00:19.27 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/~micah/images/art/oe_thingy.png |
| 00:20.43 | Com[Plex] | are there any windows utilities that can open .ar files? |
| 00:21.34 | Twiun | lol, Wonka's more stable than Jeode with a simple test program... |
| 00:21.39 | Twiun | what's the world coming to? |
| 00:28.43 | Twiun | lesse how they cope with liquid |
| 00:30.03 | Twiun | still good :) |
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| 00:30.10 | billytwowilly | treke: you around man? |
| 00:30.22 | Twiun | right, best be off, g'night guys |
| 00:30.30 | kergoth | night Twiun |
| 00:47.24 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/~micah/images/art/oe_logo2.png |
| 00:47.27 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth |
| 00:48.47 | Com[Plex] | trying to install fbcserver in rc 3.1, and tssimd isnt getting loaded. - so I startd through the steps of the fbvncserver.postinst, and got to the step "updatercd fbvncinput start 97 2 3 4 5 . stop 03 0 6 S \" |
| 00:48.58 | Com[Plex] | I dont seem to have an updatercd file.. |
| 00:49.02 | kergoth | its not a fle. |
| 00:49.03 | kergoth | file |
| 00:49.11 | Com[Plex] | oh? |
| 00:49.13 | kergoth | its a shell function in /etc/default/ |
| 00:49.18 | Com[Plex] | okay. |
| 00:52.18 | Com[Plex] | I guess Im lost. |
| 00:53.18 | Com[Plex] | oh, hold on |
| 00:55.10 | treke|home | update rc syntax is so ugly :) |
| 00:55.10 | Com[Plex] | got it |
| 00:56.14 | Com[Plex] | thank god for cut and paste |
| 00:56.33 | Com[Plex] | I swear, I live by ssh into my z. |
| 00:57.03 | Com[Plex] | I need another nic card tho. I have a second Z now and I want to be able to control em both at the same time. |
| 00:57.22 | Com[Plex] | how cheap are cf nics nowadays? |
| 00:58.21 | Com[Plex] | this is weird, this is the second time the clock application has locked up on me. |
| 00:59.52 | Com[Plex] | rebppt |
| 01:02.12 | kergoth | bash: rebppt: command not found |
| 01:03.07 | scanline | kergoth: upgrade busybox :P |
| 01:03.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:03.30 | scanline | for the rebppt command |
| 01:03.35 | Com[Plex] | lolo |
| 01:03.50 | kergoth | i'd think thatd be in tinylogin ;) |
| 01:03.57 | scanline | ah, true |
| 01:04.05 | scanline | better pester Erik to add some features |
| 01:04.10 | Com[Plex] | /stab kergoth |
| 01:04.13 | kergoth | course busybox contains tinylogin, so itd be in both |
| 01:04.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:04.47 | kergoth | god, why did i start all these builds on a single processor machine |
| 01:04.47 | scanline | kergoth: did you see my latest logo-attempt-thingy? |
| 01:05.04 | kergoth | yeah, looks nice |
| 01:05.12 | fishy | :) |
| 01:06.00 | fishy | on may 25 I will make my final choice between a sl-5600 and a c-700 |
| 01:06.02 | fishy | :) |
| 01:10.38 | fishy | http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentVisitors |
| 01:10.39 | fishy | :P |
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| 01:18.40 | ljp | woohoo! my van is drivable now.. |
| 01:22.02 | treke|home | scanline: I think we are past voting. I think it's been chosen :) |
| 01:22.35 | scanline | treke|home: already decided on the retina-burning ones did they? :) |
| 01:22.55 | treke|home | #8 |
| 01:23.20 | scanline | I was drawing more because I hate all the ones on that page |
| 01:23.27 | ljp | #2 |
| 01:25.48 | chouimat|cooking | scanline: i tested the retina-burning one on my business card and it sucks |
| 01:26.29 | scanline | doesn't surprise me... |
| 01:28.11 | chouimat|cooking | scanline: the color don't fit with the one on my logo |
| 01:49.47 | Com[Plex] | grumble |
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| 02:27.44 | noda | Moo! |
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| 02:41.45 | noda | Fuck, I committed the new changelog and it doesn't work :P |
| 02:42.20 | noda | Actually, maybe it does... |
| 02:42.49 | noda | Yeah, it does work :) |
| 02:43.39 | noda | No, it doesn't :) |
| 02:52.27 | noda | ibot: botmail for kergoth: I think the changelog works now. Sorry 'bout putting that off so long. It's ugly, but like you requested, it works. (I think) |
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| 03:21.18 | DocWhat | Howdy. |
| 03:32.17 | treke|home | bout damnt time you show up |
| 03:41.56 | redfenix | treke|home: okay. I think I've got this buildroot-oz stuff just about figured out (at least the basics.) |
| 03:42.05 | treke|home | cool |
| 03:42.16 | redfenix | treke|home: I've got it config'ing and making now... |
| 03:42.38 | treke|home | cool |
| 03:42.38 | redfenix | only problem is stuff like this: find . -type f |xargs grep "modules" |
| 03:42.38 | redfenix | ./core/Makefile.in:moddir = /lib/modules/$(KVER)/kernel/net/bluetooth |
| 03:42.50 | treke|home | eh? |
| 03:43.01 | redfenix | no prefix... tries to install on my root dir! |
| 03:43.18 | treke|home | that's easy to fix |
| 03:43.18 | redfenix | all over the Makefile.in's. |
| 03:43.24 | redfenix | Makefile.in.patch ? |
| 03:43.29 | treke|home | yup |
| 03:43.43 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.57 | redfenix | well... hmm... |
| 03:44.00 | redfenix | what do you think? |
| 03:44.12 | treke|home | not using make install is probably the easiest |
| 03:44.24 | redfenix | just copy manually in the makefile |
| 03:44.29 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:44.36 | redfenix | install -C anyway. |
| 03:44.58 | redfenix | may do that... I guess I can figure out what needs to be copied by the find I used above, eh? |
| 03:45.16 | treke|home | just run make install and see what it installs |
| 03:45.23 | redfenix | yeah |
| 03:46.00 | redfenix | now that I see how everything works, it all makes sense... but before, I was wondering if I needed to make my own custom makefile for the entire stinking package and stuff... |
| 03:46.40 | treke|home | sometimes you do |
| 03:46.45 | redfenix | I didn't realize that the makefile I was looking at didn't actually _make_ the package, it only dragged it over into a source directory to be made from. |
| 03:47.20 | redfenix | treke|home: true, but almost anything automake/autoconf will allow you to cross-compile. |
| 03:47.34 | treke|home | hahaha |
| 03:47.40 | treke|home | automake and autoconf are evil |
| 03:47.47 | redfenix | sometimes. |
| 03:48.00 | redfenix | better than using make by itself, imo. |
| 03:48.13 | treke|home | redfenix: they also tend to take the most fighting/patching to get to build |
| 03:48.54 | redfenix | so you don't like having configure scripts? |
| 03:49.33 | treke|home | when it comes to buildroot, no |
| 03:50.10 | redfenix | hmm |
| 03:55.13 | treke|home | they often break when you start dealing with libraries in nonstandard locations |
| 03:55.17 | treke|home | libtool is also a pain |
| 03:57.06 | redfenix | treke|home: hmm... how dumb is that? make install does a depmod -a |
| 03:57.36 | treke|home | now that dumb |
| 03:57.38 | treke|home | not |
| 03:57.48 | redfenix | I guess it could be useful... but, it seems a bit... intrusive. |
| 03:58.43 | redfenix | should the ipk do a depmod -a ? is it possible? (maybe through the CONTROL thing?) |
| 03:58.52 | treke|home | postinst script |
| 03:58.58 | redfenix | *nod* |
| 03:59.01 | treke|home | yeah it probably should |
| 03:59.01 | redfenix | so, it should then? |
| 04:04.38 | redfenix | treke|home: What should I do about this? |
| 04:04.39 | redfenix | /home/kevin/src/oz/buildroot-oz/output/staging/include/asm/processor.h:40: warning: `MCA_bus' redefined |
| 04:04.40 | redfenix | /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modules/i386_ksyms.ver:6: warning: this is the location of the previous definition |
| 04:04.59 | redfenix | Do I need to make a patch to exclude one? If so, which one? |
| 04:05.08 | treke|home | dont known |
| 04:05.24 | redfenix | It is just warnings........but I don't like having warnings..! |
| 04:05.44 | treke|home | if its just a warning. ignore it |
| 04:05.50 | redfenix | um, ok. |
| 04:06.18 | redfenix | technically, it's like, the same warning 6 times... but it's okay. |
| 04:07.06 | treke|home | if you want to fix the program, feel free. but it probably isnt worth it |
| 04:08.20 | numatrix | Speaking of warnings, what's with all the: Warning: unable to locate path for token CONFIG_TARGET_IPAQ |
| 04:08.30 | numatrix | type of warnings |
| 04:08.38 | treke|home | ignore them |
| 04:08.52 | kergoth`bbl | harmless. They're only useful to those interested in working out make target interdependencies in the build process. |
| 04:09.10 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: how was the movie? |
| 04:10.04 | kergoth`bbl | not bad, decided to watch my merlin dvd |
| 04:10.07 | kergoth`bbl | the builds are still going strong |
| 04:10.08 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 04:10.13 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: Howdy! |
| 04:10.19 | kergoth`bbl | hey |
| 04:10.22 | treke|home | ah |
| 04:10.46 | DocWhat | sorry I wasn't around. I'm sick right now with a fever, but I'm finishing the vim stuff so I can push you the samba and vim stuff... |
| 04:10.49 | DocWhat | :-( |
| 04:11.00 | DocWhat | We had an interesting week+ at work. |
| 04:11.00 | kergoth`bbl | ah that sucks, sorry to hear that |
| 04:11.02 | DocWhat | :s/ |
| 04:11.04 | DocWhat | :-/ |
| 04:11.21 | kergoth`bbl | I was home sick wed, thurs, and fri, but of course am quite healthy |
| 04:11.22 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 04:11.24 | DocWhat | I kept meaning to do stuff, but I was always dead tired. No excuse, but... |
| 04:11.29 | DocWhat | Heh |
| 04:11.40 | kergoth`bbl | which is why we finally had a release |
| 04:11.43 | DocWhat | no, I actually had Friday off already, but I didn't feel well. |
| 04:11.45 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
| 04:11.49 | kergoth`bbl | ah |
| 04:13.02 | kergoth`bbl | but yeah, do get them pushed this evening if you can, regardless of their condition. if i have to clean them up, its no biggie |
| 04:13.09 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: Did you change something in the build system (other than the confi.in changes)? I used to be able to do make SUBDIRS=packages/vim clean and then do a regular make and it'd work, Now if I do a SUBDIR clean, ipkg-x86 and ncurses gets nuked! |
| 04:13.17 | DocWhat | Driving me nutz. |
| 04:13.28 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 04:13.28 | DocWhat | damn it! Now it can't find -lncurses.... |
| 04:13.33 | kergoth`bbl | i can subdirs clean just fine. |
| 04:13.33 | DocWhat | grrr.. |
| 04:13.39 | DocWhat | hmmm..... |
| 04:13.46 | kergoth`bbl | clean never follows dependencies |
| 04:14.05 | DocWhat | I don't understand what it is doing, but I'll loose the ipkg-build binary, and the ncurses libraries and includes. |
| 04:14.23 | kergoth`bbl | dunno what to tell you, i've been building shit all week w/ no probs |
| 04:14.23 | DocWhat | I'm back to doing : rm stamps/.vim.{staginginstall,binary} ; make SUBDIRS=packages/vim ipk |
| 04:14.24 | treke|home | caffeine^: the new one or the old one? |
| 04:14.30 | DocWhat | Maybe it's my Makefile... |
| 04:14.31 | treke|home | chouimat|tv: the new one or the old one? |
| 04:15.32 | redfenix | treke|home: got one more question on the build stuff: getting an error with arm-linux-ld and I don't know what to make of it... |
| 04:15.33 | redfenix | arm-linux-ld: unrecognized option '-Wl,-rpath-link,/home/kevin/src/oz/buildroot-oz/output/staging/arm-linux/lib' |
| 04:15.58 | kergoth`bbl | redfenix: you set an env var to ld when it shouldve been gcc. |
| 04:15.58 | redfenix | got any ideas? |
| 04:16.15 | redfenix | (checking makefile) |
| 04:16.16 | kergoth`bbl | use gcc to link. |
| 04:16.45 | redfenix | kergoth`bbl: maybe set LD=gcc ?? |
| 04:16.52 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: I'm mostly done. When I am, there will be a vim, vim-doc, vim-rt, vim-syntax-min, vim-syntax-full, and vim-tiny (if you want to ditch vi). |
| 04:17.09 | kergoth`bbl | shouldnt be necessary, but feel free |
| 04:17.09 | DocWhat | redfenix: The other way around....CC=arm-linux-ld |
| 04:17.11 | kergoth`bbl | DocWhat: k |
| 04:17.20 | kergoth`bbl | eh?, no |
| 04:17.24 | kergoth`bbl | you dont want to set CC to ld. |
| 04:17.26 | redfenix | DocWhat: that should already be set, right? |
| 04:17.33 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: sure you do... |
| 04:17.36 | redfenix | er, CC=arm-linux-gcc |
| 04:17.41 | redfenix | misread |
| 04:17.54 | kergoth`bbl | he was right the first time. he needs to make sure the app's buildsystem is linking with gcc, not compiling with ld |
| 04:17.59 | DocWhat | redfenix: I'm not being clear. That was an example of what you might have done wrong. LD=arm-linux-ld, CC=arm-linux-gcc |
| 04:18.02 | DocWhat | etc. |
| 04:18.16 | DocWhat | treke|home: Rilly? |
| 04:18.23 | redfenix | DocWhat: I'm not explicitly setting either of them atm... |
| 04:18.26 | treke|home | DocWhat: yup :) |
| 04:18.38 | kergoth`bbl | redfenix: then you need to override something in the buildsystem in question. |
| 04:18.41 | kergoth`bbl | redfenix: read its makefiles. |
| 04:18.43 | redfenix | DocWhat: they're set by Vars.make, right? |
| 04:19.07 | redfenix | kergoth`bbl: ok |
| 04:19.10 | kergoth`bbl | you cant be confident in the necessary build steps without reading its makefiles to determine what vars it uses. |
| 04:19.22 | DocWhat | yeah. |
| 04:19.30 | redfenix | kergoth`bbl: or Makefile.in's as the case may be. |
| 04:19.36 | kergoth`bbl | no |
| 04:19.40 | redfenix | ? |
| 04:19.41 | treke|home | DocWhat: for building alsa. Unless I explicitly set CC to gcc it fails to build |
| 04:19.42 | kergoth`bbl | if it uses auto*, theres no need. |
| 04:19.53 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: Here is an example, I just ran this command: make SUBDIRS=packages/ncurses clean && make SUBDIRS=packages/ncurses |
| 04:19.57 | DocWhat | Now ipkg-build is gone. |
| 04:19.57 | kergoth`bbl | because you can, with confidence, say what vars will be utilized. |
| 04:20.03 | kergoth`bbl | DocWhat: not here. |
| 04:20.07 | redfenix | kergoth`bbl: *nod* |
| 04:20.21 | redfenix | kergoth`bbl: like LD, right? |
| 04:20.50 | kergoth`bbl | yes. feel free to read a auto* generated Makefile to get a feel for it. |
| 04:21.07 | treke|home | make sure you have something to drink on hand :) |
| 04:21.09 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: found it. It was being overwritten by my stuff..grr...too many variables. |
| 04:21.14 | kergoth`bbl | heheh |
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| 04:21.24 | redfenix | treke|home: alcoholic drink, right? |
| 04:21.34 | treke|home | whatever floats your boat |
| 04:21.47 | kergoth`bbl | okay finally, new collie minimal image for testing. |
| 04:21.52 | redfenix | would it make the doc make more sense/be more entertaining? |
| 04:21.53 | kergoth`bbl | hrmm |
| 04:22.49 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: Apparently, STAGING_DIR is being used... :-( |
| 04:22.55 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 04:23.09 | DocWhat | I was using it as a staging dir for the vim package... |
| 04:23.15 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 04:23.16 | DocWhat | so I could split it. |
| 04:23.16 | kergoth`bbl | um |
| 04:23.25 | kergoth`bbl | STAGING_DIR is our global area with libraries, headers, and x86 binaries |
| 04:23.29 | kergoth`bbl | its absolutely critical to operation |
| 04:23.32 | DocWhat | Yeah, I know that *now* |
| 04:23.35 | DocWhat | :-D |
| 04:24.09 | DocWhat | "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom crestfallen. |
| 04:24.27 | DocWhat | "I think that's too much blush", said Tom ruefully. |
| 04:24.55 | DocWhat | Tom swifties; if puns are the lowest form of humor, Tom swifties are the lowest form of pun. |
| 04:26.33 | redfenix | Sugar: Make me a scotch on the rocks. |
| 04:27.37 | DocWhat | redfenix: *bing* You're now a scotch on the rocks. |
| 04:27.59 | redfenix | DocWhat: Aye laddie. |
| 04:28.43 | redfenix | DocWhat: Thanks m'boy. |
| 04:28.47 | chouimat|tv | alchool the cause and the solution to all the problems of the life |
| 04:29.11 | DocWhat | chouimat|tv: Thanks, Homer. |
| 04:29.20 | chouimat|tv | DocWhat: hehe |
| 04:29.22 | redfenix | mmm, beer. |
| 04:30.00 | DocWhat | mmm, 64 individually wrapped slices of processed american cheese. |
| 04:30.13 | DocWhat | mmm, Vasaline. |
| 04:30.31 | redfenix | my fav simpsons show is the april fools one where bart puts the can of beer in the paint shaker... =) |
| 04:30.37 | chouimat|tv | mmmm TQS late night programation ... |
| 04:30.45 | DocWhat | chouimat|tv: huh? |
| 04:31.16 | chouimat|tv | DocWhat: they are currently intwerviewing a french porn start ... |
| 04:31.28 | chouimat|tv | s/start/star |
| 04:31.30 | treke|home | Sugar: I'll take a scotch also |
| 04:31.32 | treke|home | no rocks |
| 04:31.44 | kergoth`bbl | Sugar: scotch here too |
| 04:32.37 | treke|home | ~ha |
| 04:32.37 | | Sugar: scotch on the rocks |
| 04:32.57 | redfenix | sugar's out of business... |
| 04:33.07 | kergoth`bbl | hmm |
| 04:33.53 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: scotch $nick is <action> places some ice in a glass, fills with scotch, and hands it to $nick. |
| 04:33.53 | | okay, kergoth`bbl |
| 04:33.58 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: scotch me |
| 04:34.00 | | ACTION places some ice in a glass, fills with scotch, and hands it to kergoth`bbl. |
| 04:34.04 | kergoth`bbl | woo |
| 04:35.02 | DocWhat | shouldn't that be "fills it with scotch"? |
| 04:35.09 | chouimat|tv | kergoth`bbl: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/star1.jpg <--- late night tv |
| 04:35.51 | kergoth`bbl | ibot: no, scotch $nick is <action> places some ice in a glass, fills it with scotch, and hands it to $nick. |
| 04:35.52 | | okay, kergoth`bbl |
| 04:35.56 | kergoth`bbl | fine then, mr pedantic |
| 04:36.01 | kergoth`bbl | ~fishslap DocWhat |
| 04:36.03 | | ACTION slaps DocWhat up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 04:36.09 | DocWhat | oooh! |
| 04:36.21 | DocWhat | ~fishslap kergoth`bbl |
| 04:36.22 | | ACTION slaps kergoth`bbl up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 04:36.26 | DocWhat | Heh. |
| 04:36.37 | kergoth`bbl | hehe |
| 04:36.42 | kergoth`bbl | ~bitchslap redfenix |
| 04:36.43 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of redfenix |
| 04:36.48 | redfenix | hey! |
| 04:37.00 | redfenix | ~bitchslap ibot |
| 04:37.01 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of ibot |
| 04:37.02 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: I gave vim conflicts with vim-tiny, and didn't give vim-tiny anything, is this right? |
| 04:37.09 | DocWhat | ~fishslap ibot |
| 04:37.10 | | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 04:37.21 | kergoth`bbl | DocWhat: do you want the user to only be able to install one of them at a time? |
| 04:37.24 | redfenix | DocWhat: masochistic, isn't he? |
| 04:37.36 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: yeah. |
| 04:37.44 | DocWhat | kergoth`bbl: With vim winning over vim-tiny |
| 04:37.55 | DocWhat | (after all, if someone tries to install both, vim should win) |
| 04:38.09 | kergoth`bbl | DocWhat: both shuld Conflict with the other, but vim should Replaces: vim-tiny |
| 04:38.10 | redfenix | vim always wins =) |
| 04:38.13 | kergoth`bbl | DocWhat: that'll do what you want |
| 04:38.27 | chouimat|tv | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/tqs2.jpg |
| 04:38.28 | DocWhat | I thought replaces will ... hmm...I may be getting RPM mixed up. |
| 04:38.52 | kergoth`bbl | Replaces has two possible behaviors, but ipkg doesnt follow debian policy guidelines on this |
| 04:38.58 | kergoth`bbl | in ipkg, Replaces means only one thing |
| 04:39.00 | DocWhat | okay. |
| 04:39.08 | kergoth`bbl | "remove that other package before installing this one, auotmatically" |
| 04:39.09 | kergoth`bbl | heh |
| 04:39.18 | redfenix | chouimat|tv: heheh... "star du porno" I don't know french, but I know what that means! |
| 04:39.30 | kergoth`bbl | I need to patch it to support the proper behavior |
| 04:39.34 | chouimat|tv | redfenix: hehe :) |
| 04:39.37 | kergoth`bbl | as it will allow me to fix our broken upgrade paths |
| 04:39.46 | chouimat|tv | redfenix: example of local tv show :) |
| 04:40.12 | kergoth`bbl | chouimat|tv: bastard |
| 04:40.15 | nelson | DocWhat: when did I every say that?? |
| 04:40.28 | DocWhat | nelson: Uh....Nelson from the simpsons. |
| 04:40.35 | nelson | DocWhat: ahhhhh, okay. |
| 04:40.36 | chouimat|tv | wtf? how many they're in that scene? |
| 04:40.54 | DocWhat | chouimat|tv: okay, that's enough....share or shut up. :-) |
| 04:41.04 | redfenix | heheh |
| 04:41.38 | DocWhat | hmm...something is wrong...vim-tiny is larger than all of the rest of the vim-* packages combined....ah...whups, didn't clean out the dir. |
| 04:41.44 | chouimat|tv | DocWhat: I'm doing screenshot but the quality sucks :) |
| 04:41.52 | redfenix | DocWhat: not so tiny, eh? |
| 04:42.14 | redfenix | vim-notso-tiny |
| 04:42.16 | DocWhat | or maybe vim-tiny-ms |
| 04:42.19 | DocWhat | :-) |
| 04:42.21 | redfenix | heh |
| 04:42.36 | redfenix | or even vim-tiny-redhat |
| 04:42.46 | kergoth`bbl | s/redhat/mandrake/ |
| 04:42.50 | redfenix | or, I guess mandrake would be better. |
| 04:42.53 | DocWhat | chouimat|tv: Okay, what are you using to catch that stuff with. |
| 04:42.54 | redfenix | kergoth`bbl: re |
| 04:42.56 | kergoth`bbl | :) |
| 04:43.05 | chouimat|tv | DocWhat: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/tqs3.jpg |
| 04:43.45 | DocWhat | chouimat|tv: what is that software? And why are there weird dia-like diagrams next to the text? |
| 04:43.47 | redfenix | chouimat|tv: better... |
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| 04:44.37 | chouimat|tv | DocWhat: kwintv3 and the diagram is from the show |
| 04:44.46 | DocWhat | oh |
| 04:45.03 | DocWhat | I have to get a mythtv box one of these days. |
| 04:46.08 | DocWhat | chouimat|tv: I don't have music capturing, but I can quote from what I'm listening to: "Do you suffer from long term memory loss? I don't remember" |
| 04:46.58 | kergoth | mm white russian |
| 04:47.08 | chouimat|tv | http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/tqs4.jpg |
| 04:49.39 | Bala | anyone else having difficulty installing konq in rc3.1? |
| 04:49.48 | kergoth | Bala: known bug, already fixed |
| 04:49.54 | kergoth | Bala: edit fstab, remove ,user from the /var line |
| 04:50.03 | Bala | thanks |
| 04:50.07 | kergoth | np |
| 04:52.00 | DocWhat | kergoth: You know, I looked at that for a while, and didn't see that... |
| 04:52.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:52.23 | DocWhat | Bala: You'll have to remount the /var directory, too. |
| 04:52.26 | kergoth | user implies noexec, without exec running maintainer scripts is hard :) |
| 04:52.34 | DocWhat | Bala: Either reboot or mount -o remount,rw /var |
| 04:52.37 | Bala | yeah i know.. i rebooted |
| 04:52.51 | DocWhat | Bala: just making sure....:-) |
| 04:52.57 | Bala | :) |
| 04:53.09 | chouimat|tv | laterz guys .... a movie with jenna jameson .... |
| 04:53.14 | DocWhat | kergoth: Yeah, but why did all the other stuff work? What does konq do different... |
| 04:53.24 | kergoth | eh? |
| 04:53.29 | kergoth | i can tell you right now |
| 04:53.35 | kergoth | postinst failure isnt package failure |
| 04:53.39 | kergoth | preinst failure _is_ package failure |
| 04:53.45 | kergoth | 90% of all packages dont use a preinst at all |
| 04:53.51 | DocWhat | oh |
| 04:54.15 | Bala | what does konq do preinst? |
| 04:54.22 | kergoth | i dont maintain those packages |
| 04:54.29 | Bala | ah k. |
| 04:55.30 | chouimat|tv | lol Visual Efect: Dick Roundtree .... |
| 05:02.43 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:03.45 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: don't drink too much :) |
| 05:03.52 | kergoth | why not? ;) |
| 05:03.53 | kergoth | night |
| 05:04.13 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: I will go watch that movie before going to bed ;) |
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| 05:12.03 | treke|home | awe shit |
| 05:12.12 | treke|home | now links is doing that MiB crap |
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| 05:29.52 | redfenix | is it just me or is ext3 noticably "chattier" than ext2. |
| 05:30.00 | DocWhat | redfenix: it is. |
| 05:30.11 | redfenix | i.e. lots more hd rw going on |
| 05:30.17 | DocWhat | redfenix: That's why I hate it ofor laptops. |
| 05:30.25 | DocWhat | Try setting noatime, that'll help some. |
| 05:30.26 | redfenix | I do one little thing and it sets my hd off. |
| 05:30.31 | DocWhat | yup. |
| 05:30.51 | redfenix | setting noatime: how do you do that? |
| 05:30.56 | redfenix | I haven't heard of that. |
| 05:31.08 | DocWhat | mount -oremount,noatime [mount-point] |
| 05:31.18 | redfenix | in fstab? |
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| 05:32.06 | redfenix | so, what does noatime do? |
| 05:32.20 | treke|home | tells ext2 not to write file access time |
| 05:32.22 | DocWhat | In the fstab, just add the option for noatime. |
| 05:32.27 | DocWhat | Exactly. |
| 05:32.40 | redfenix | treke|home: s/ext2/ext3 ? |
| 05:32.42 | DocWhat | Evertime you do something to a file, like read it, or type ls, the atimes are updated. |
| 05:32.54 | treke|home | redfenix: ext2 and ext3 are more or less the same |
| 05:32.56 | DocWhat | redfenix: tells the fs not to update the uptime. |
| 05:33.16 | redfenix | ok, so just replace "defaults" with "noatime", right? |
| 05:33.26 | DocWhat | redfenix: The extra chatter is because of the journalling requirements for updating meta data. |
| 05:33.32 | DocWhat | redfenix: defaults,noatime |
| 05:33.35 | DocWhat | yup. |
| 05:33.38 | redfenix | DocWhat: I figured as much... |
| 05:34.01 | treke|home | redfenix: For the zaurus atime probably isnt too useful, just slows down writes |
| 05:34.05 | redfenix | DocWhat: nice to have journalling... especially for when x takes hold of your keyboard, etc and locks... ;) |
| 05:34.23 | redfenix | treke|home: oh, we're talking desktop here... |
| 05:34.38 | redfenix | treke|home: zaurus uses ext3 / journalling? |
| 05:34.45 | treke|home | redfenix: It can |
| 05:35.12 | treke|home | assuming kergoth has ext3 patched into the kernels he builds |
| 05:35.20 | redfenix | so what does atime buy you anyway? |
| 05:35.29 | redfenix | just a log of when things were changed? |
| 05:35.54 | treke|home | redfenix: It can be useful if you want to know how long a file has been sitting about unused |
| 05:36.11 | redfenix | so maybe I'll leave it on in my archive partition... |
| 05:36.33 | treke|home | say I want to clear out files in a public folder that have been abandoned, I'd search for files that havent been accessed for a year |
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| 05:36.47 | redfenix | how do you get that info? |
| 05:36.49 | JasonNJ | sup dudes. |
| 05:36.50 | JasonNJ | hey. |
| 05:36.57 | redfenix | JasonNJ: hey |
| 05:37.03 | zeronett | has anyone here setup up a socket wlan card w/ kismet? |
| 05:37.05 | JasonNJ | whats that web browser thats on hh.org scap? |
| 05:37.13 | JasonNJ | http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 05:37.14 | treke|home | JasonNJ: probably ubrowser |
| 05:37.23 | JasonNJ | the one running in Opie? |
| 05:37.29 | treke|home | yeah |
| 05:37.40 | JasonNJ | whats it using as a rendering engine? |
| 05:37.47 | treke|home | QT |
| 05:37.52 | treke|home | QTextBrowser |
| 05:38.01 | JasonNJ | interesting |
| 05:38.06 | JasonNJ | is it lightweight? |
| 05:38.29 | treke|home | havent run it but it should be pretty light weight. |
| 05:38.37 | treke|home | The rendering engine is part of QT :) |
| 05:38.53 | JasonNJ | we should ship it by default with the romimage then |
| 05:39.14 | treke|home | I'd wait a bit longer |
| 05:39.36 | treke|home | up until this weekend it didnt have working http 1.1 support |
| 05:39.47 | treke|home | and renderring is probably going to be pretty bad |
| 05:39.53 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 05:40.04 | JasonNJ | i cant wait until we go qt 3.x |
| 05:40.09 | JasonNJ | so we can use khtml |
| 05:40.15 | DocWhat | redfenix: atime only shows Access time. You can also get the Modification time and the Creation time for any file. ls has options for these. |
| 05:40.27 | treke|home | JasonNJ: erm, thats what konqueror/e is |
| 05:40.37 | JasonNJ | I mean the NEW khtml |
| 05:40.41 | DocWhat | redfenix: You can also (in newer kernels) turn on nodiratime, which is a subset of noatime, but only for directories. |
| 05:40.48 | JasonNJ | the one thats in the new konq and safari |
| 05:41.03 | redfenix | DocWhat: good to know... thanks. |
| 05:41.10 | treke|home | it better? |
| 05:41.26 | JasonNJ | treke: the one in KDE 3.x? hell yes |
| 05:41.42 | treke|home | one of the problems with QTextBrowser/QTextView is that it technically is a RichText renderer, and not an html renderer |
| 05:41.46 | JasonNJ | the apple browser uses the latest khtml too |
| 05:41.53 | treke|home | JasonNJ: ah. never tried konqueror in KDE3. |
| 05:42.05 | JasonNJ | treke: leaps and bounds over kde 2 |
| 05:42.12 | treke|home | konq/e seems to render most things fine for me. The problem is the rest of the app sucks |
| 05:42.20 | JasonNJ | I mean, its javascript actually friggin WORKS |
| 05:42.21 | treke|home | and its fricken huge |
| 05:42.29 | treke|home | is that a good thing? |
| 05:43.00 | chouimat|Zzzz | hmmmmm |
| 05:43.23 | JasonNJ | the thing is, a lot of the stuff konqe uses could be a good foundation for building other apps is we libarified them |
| 05:43.35 | JasonNJ | hell, we could replace all of libqpe with it |
| 05:43.57 | chouimat|Zzzz | JasonNJ: and maybe also modularizing libqt |
| 05:44.03 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 05:44.04 | treke|home | kde/e |
| 05:44.16 | JasonNJ | well, microkde |
| 05:44.19 | JasonNJ | Ude |
| 05:44.25 | treke|home | ude is taken |
| 05:44.34 | JasonNJ | NanoDE |
| 05:44.50 | treke|home | OPIE |
| 05:44.51 | chouimat|Zzzz | uPDA |
| 05:45.03 | JasonNJ | you know I actually coined OPIE |
| 05:45.22 | treke|home | hrm, you know. ubrowser probably cant handle css at all |
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| 05:46.46 | treke|home | JasonNJ: http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/ubrowser.tar.gz |
| 05:46.54 | treke|home | arm binaries |
| 05:47.09 | JasonNJ | what, no ipk? |
| 05:47.16 | treke|home | nope |
| 05:47.19 | treke|home | no working ipk |
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| 05:54.29 | kergoth | yo JasonNJ |
| 06:02.14 | redfenix | with the install program, are these two lines equal? |
| 06:02.16 | redfenix | install -c -m 644 core/bluez.o core/l2cap.o core/sco.o $(IPKTMP_DIR)/lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSTR)/kernel/net/bluetooth |
| 06:02.20 | redfenix | install -c -m 644 core/{bluez.o,l2cap.o,sco.o} $(IPKTMP_DIR)/lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSTR)/kernel/net/bluetooth |
| 06:02.30 | redfenix | i.e. can I do it the second way? |
| 06:04.00 | kergoth | yes, they functionally do the same thing |
| 06:04.16 | kergoth | note that its the shell doing the expansion, not install |
| 06:04.58 | redfenix | oh it is? wow... never done that before... I guess that's bash specific, right? |
| 06:05.17 | kergoth | yes, its bash |
| 06:05.26 | kergoth | we technically dont want to be bash dependent in buildroot |
| 06:05.33 | kergoth | so i'd recommend using the former format, not the latter |
| 06:05.50 | DocWhat | kergoth: Is teh {} stuff bash? |
| 06:05.52 | kergoth | (though we use the latter in other places in the buildroot, i'd like to remove its use) |
| 06:05.55 | kergoth | DocWhat: yes. |
| 06:05.56 | redfenix | ok. but just so you know, I got the example from another package... |
| 06:05.59 | kergoth | thats bash specific expansion |
| 06:06.03 | kergoth | redfenix: as i said. |
| 06:06.11 | DocWhat | kergoth: uh oh...it's very useful...:-( |
| 06:06.14 | redfenix | kergoth: yeah... sorry.. got it out before I saw yours. |
| 06:06.14 | kergoth | yes, it is |
| 06:06.27 | DocWhat | I use it bunch in vim, 'cause I move a bunch of files. |
| 06:06.36 | redfenix | kergoth: it's very useful on the second batch where I have 7 .o's in subdirs. |
| 06:06.40 | DocWhat | (in buildroot, not the pre/post stuff on the Z) |
| 06:06.44 | kergoth | use a shell script |
| 06:07.06 | kergoth | for i in this.o that.o heh.o blah.o; do install -m 0644 core/$$i $(IPKTMP_DIR)/blah; done |
| 06:07.15 | DocWhat | yeah...*sigh* |
| 06:07.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:07.31 | redfenix | yeah... or just use "yyppppp..." =P |
| 06:07.35 | DocWhat | hmmm....vim-doc*.ipk in over a meg. |
| 06:07.41 | DocWhat | only the insane would install it. |
| 06:07.47 | kergoth | /tmp/ccQbqUWc.o(.text+0x1074): undefined reference to `__ctype_b_loc' |
| 06:07.48 | kergoth | hm |
| 06:07.52 | DocWhat | (or the guy testing it) |
| 06:08.03 | redfenix | DocWhat: isn't that implied? =P |
| 06:08.44 | DocWhat | # ipkg install vim_6.1-1_arm.ipk |
| 06:08.44 | DocWhat | ERROR: The following packages conflict with vim: |
| 06:08.54 | DocWhat | . vim-tiny |
| 06:09.09 | DocWhat | Should I remove the "conflicts" and only leave the Replaces? |
| 06:09.53 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:10.01 | kergoth | hm |
| 06:10.12 | kergoth | it should work. |
| 06:10.36 | kergoth | guess you'll have to |
| 06:10.45 | DocWhat | kergoth: It's annoying,because you'll loose the vimrc conffile. |
| 06:10.46 | DocWhat | Okay. |
| 06:10.51 | kergoth | ? |
| 06:11.01 | kergoth | what do you mean? |
| 06:11.07 | DocWhat | ipkg remove vim-tiny ; ipkg install vim |
| 06:11.08 | kergoth | ipkg remove doesnt remove conffiles. |
| 06:11.09 | DocWhat | No more vimrc |
| 06:11.14 | DocWhat | ??? |
| 06:11.15 | kergoth | if it does, its broken. |
| 06:11.17 | DocWhat | I beg to differ. |
| 06:11.17 | kergoth | horribly. |
| 06:11.38 | DocWhat | Let me double check exactly what it is doing. |
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| 06:37.16 | endr | anybody know how you could replace the startup screen for OZ? |
| 06:37.27 | endr | not that I don't like pingi... |
| 06:39.55 | redfenix | kergoth: hey, how do you put in a post-install script into the ipk? (e.g. depmod -a) |
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| 06:48.46 | DocWhat | kergoth: Yes, ipkg removed my conffile. |
| 06:48.53 | DocWhat | It printed a line about it having changed, then removed it. |
| 06:49.44 | DocWhat | Removing package vim from root... |
| 06:49.44 | DocWhat | conffile_has_been_modified: conffile /etc/vimrc: old md5=882645f1a40f6c730a04d7242ba64f18 new md5=1acc720c0ec3b0e3201ba1f519b47e25 |
| 06:49.47 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/bin/ex |
| 06:49.50 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/bin/vim |
| 06:49.52 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/bin/xxd |
| 06:49.55 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/bin/rvim |
| 06:49.57 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/bin/view |
| 06:49.59 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/bin/rview |
| 06:50.02 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/bin/vimdiff |
| 06:50.05 | DocWhat | . deleting /usr/share/vim/vimrc |
| 06:50.07 | DocWhat | Done. |
| 06:50.10 | DocWhat | (ignore the .'s) |
| 06:50.13 | DocWhat | kergoth: When I checked for the /etc/vimrc, it was gone. |
| 06:52.27 | DocWhat | kergoth: ping |
| 07:16.50 | redfenix | great... depmod -a segfaults with my new package installed. |
| 07:21.55 | Com[Plex] | WTF |
| 07:22.25 | redfenix | apparently the new modules aren't compatible for some reason... |
| 07:22.43 | redfenix | I'm checking now to see which one(s) are doing it. |
| 07:34.37 | redfenix | ~seen kergoth |
| 07:34.38 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (7h 31m 41s) #uclibc (7h 31m 41s) #picogui (7h 31m 41s) #tuxscreen (7h 31m 41s) #zaurus (7h 31m 41s) #elinux (7h 31m 41s) #openembedded (7h 31m 41s) #handhelds.org (7h 31m 41s) #openzaurus (7h 31m 41s). Has said a total of 69 messages. Is idling for 1h 23m 21s |
| 07:34.43 | redfenix | hmm |
| 07:43.14 | redfenix | nite |
| 07:44.35 | billytwowilly | treke: you there man? |
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| 09:09.43 | endr | anybody used the openssh from OZ 3.1rc3.1 and publickey authentication? |
| 09:10.28 | sukoshi | since i can't even test OZ 3.1 yet, i don't. You've got a problem? |
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| 09:12.49 | endr | minor one...can't seem to get sshd to like my dsa public key. |
| 09:12.58 | endr | it's in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 09:13.03 | endr | but doesn't get accepted |
| 09:13.07 | endr | works on other machines |
| 09:13.10 | endr | no biggie |
| 09:14.03 | sukoshi | sshd is launched automatically ? |
| 09:14.09 | sukoshi | as root? |
| 09:14.30 | endr | yup...sshd is run at startup |
| 09:14.32 | endr | as root |
| 09:14.36 | sukoshi | ok |
| 09:14.54 | sukoshi | since i never tried OZ yet i'm not sure |
| 09:15.10 | endr | why not (tried OZ)? |
| 09:15.17 | sukoshi | is /root the home folder? on my B500, it is /home/root |
| 09:15.24 | endr | yes |
| 09:15.39 | endr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.53 | endr | isn't it supposed to be that way? |
| 09:15.55 | sukoshi | not on B500, strangely |
| 09:15.56 | yeiazel | on the Z, /root is a symlink to /home/root |
| 09:16.21 | yeiazel | (or perhaps am I wrong :) |
| 09:16.29 | sukoshi | thx yeiazel, i'll check |
| 09:16.49 | yeiazel | sukoshi: I'm talking about OZ, not the sharm rom. it can be different :) |
| 09:17.13 | endr | yeiazel: I think there's no symlink in OZ 3.1... |
| 09:17.15 | sukoshi | yeiazel: ok, but i'll check also ;) |
| 09:17.21 | endr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.30 | yeiazel | mh |
| 09:17.43 | yeiazel | /home/root is a symlink to /root. at least in 3.0 |
| 09:18.21 | endr | yeiazel: you're right, I'm wrong...did ls -l /home in wrong terminal window |
| 09:18.28 | yeiazel | ^^ |
| 09:18.38 | endr | in RH8.0 there is no /home/root :) |
| 09:18.51 | yeiazel | endr: but on oz 3.0 there is ;) |
| 09:19.13 | endr | yeiazel: I know :). I'm saying I did ls -l /home in my desktop terminal window, not my OZ terminal window |
| 09:19.19 | endr | hence my incorrect answer before |
| 09:19.36 | yeiazel | heh okay :) |
| 09:20.21 | yeiazel | a term is ALWAYS necessary ;) |
| 09:20.29 | endr | heh |
| 09:20.46 | yeiazel | seems you're like me... opening a new term each time you wanna do "something else" |
| 09:20.55 | yeiazel | and closing many terms at a time :) |
| 09:21.36 | endr | exactly |
| 09:21.46 | endr | gets cluttered quickly |
| 09:21.55 | yeiazel | :) |
| 09:21.58 | endr | which adds to the problem -- easier to start a new term |
| 09:22.01 | endr | than find the old one |
| 09:22.13 | yeiazel | right :) |
| 09:47.46 | endr | anybody remember how to replace the startup splash image? |
| 09:47.49 | endr | for OZ? |
| 09:48.03 | yeiazel | why replacing it ? |
| 09:48.08 | yeiazel | isn't it wonderful ? |
| 09:48.09 | yeiazel | :) |
| 09:48.11 | endr | nothing against pingi :) |
| 10:07.09 | Twiun | mornin |
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| 10:07.49 | Piete | hey guys |
| 10:08.03 | Piete | so.. do we have any working media players in any feeds yet? |
| 10:08.57 | Twiun | endr: I think the actual splashscreen needs to be compiled in |
| 10:09.01 | Twiun | hey Piete |
| 10:09.11 | endr | Twiun: aha |
| 10:09.50 | endr | Twiun: some instructions say put something in /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/Startup_screen.bmp, but that doesn't seem to work |
| 10:10.44 | Twiun | endr: that's the *opie* startup screen |
| 10:11.04 | Piete | anyone know why xmms was removed from the feeds? |
| 10:11.17 | lsmith | it was not removed |
| 10:11.20 | endr | Twiun: oh |
| 10:11.25 | lsmith | it was accidentaly not build |
| 10:11.30 | endr | it wasn't? Doesn't seem to be there |
| 10:11.32 | endr | oh |
| 10:12.48 | Piete | lsmith: oh :( |
| 10:14.30 | lsmith | since i had xmms installed on my sd |
| 10:14.38 | lsmith | i just had to relink it |
| 10:14.58 | lsmith | but i dont have the ipk |
| 10:17.30 | Piete | hmm I had it too, but the relink b0rked stuff.. (it, for some reason, broke opie after the relink) |
| 10:18.13 | lsmith | i generally shutdown opie while i do ipk stuff |
| 10:18.29 | lsmith | makes a few post install scripts complain |
| 10:18.32 | lsmith | but that is all |
| 10:18.38 | lsmith | usually things go much smoother that way |
| 10:18.44 | Piete | well, I learnt my lesson |
| 10:19.47 | lsmith | there is a project homepage for xmms |
| 10:19.50 | lsmith | you can find it from zsi |
| 10:19.58 | lsmith | maybe you can ge tan ipk from there |
| 10:24.26 | Piete | ok, will do.. |
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| 10:36.44 | minipanda | help |
| 10:38.47 | endr | minipanda: how? |
| 10:42.31 | minipanda | can you give me the IP of openzaurus.org? my mozilla tell me operation time out |
| 10:43.41 | Piete | 66.35.250.210 |
| 10:43.57 | Piete | but its slow... |
| 10:43.58 | Piete | 64 octets from 66.35.250.210: icmp_seq=8 ttl=46 time=647.9 ms |
| 10:44.03 | Twiun | yikes |
| 10:44.48 | lsmith | cut and paste does not seem to work in tinykate |
| 10:46.08 | Twiun | lsmith: tinykate needs some TLC it seems atm |
| 10:46.17 | minipanda | Piete : still can not visit! but how can i get an useful crosscomplier? my current "Reading specs from /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/specs gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)" |
| 10:46.37 | minipanda | have some bugs when compile my kernel :-( |
| 10:47.53 | Piete | minipanda: can't help you there.. sorry |
| 10:48.32 | minipanda | but there isn's any other site supply 2.95.3 ? |
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| 12:00.57 | Piete | wow, this royaly sucked.. |
| 12:01.51 | Piete | I flashed OZ 3.1Rc3.1 yesterday.. and it worked fine.. today, it won't start.. It boots, and then it seems show the top half of opie, and then it crashes.. |
| 12:02.09 | Piete | luckily I still had the images on the CF cards, so I could reflash.. |
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| 12:44.48 | Piete | heya ljp |
| 12:44.54 | ljp | hi |
| 12:51.24 | ljp | what up? |
| 12:51.38 | Piete | not much.. I flashed OZ 3.1Rc3.1 yesterday.. and it worked fine.. today, it won't start.. It boots, and then it seems show the top half of opie, and then it crashes.. |
| 12:51.45 | Piete | so I just reflashed :( |
| 12:52.00 | ljp | hmm |
| 12:52.14 | ljp | odd |
| 12:53.39 | Piete | yea.. I only noticed this after I got home from an outing.. so it had to have been on for 2 hours.. |
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| 14:04.27 | JasonNJ | morning dudes |
| 14:14.33 | lsmith | aloha |
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| 14:21.11 | dmalloc | EHLO |
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| 15:09.54 | treke|home | ~lart ventura security |
| 15:10.46 | ljp | ~lart ventura highway |
| 15:12.01 | treke|home | they call at 7am on sunay to say that the alarm went off but nothing was wrong :) |
| 15:12.28 | ljp | maybe that alarm was an 'all's well' alarm |
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| 15:41.53 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:47.52 | JasonNJ | chou: Children of Dune on tonight on Sci Fi channel |
| 15:47.52 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | good afternoon ;) |
| 15:47.58 | mickeyl | morning kergoth. I'm back from CeBIT. OpenZaurus interest was very big. Our booth was crowded like hell :-D |
| 15:48.07 | JasonNJ | ohayo guzaimas, suko |
| 15:48.19 | mickeyl | some pictures @ http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 15:48.28 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I don't have it :( |
| 15:48.28 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | JasonNJ: i'm still in france, it is 02:48 PM |
| 15:49.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: someone on our lists figured out the irda bug |
| 15:49.34 | kergoth | mickeyl: the new sound drivers and real dsp device for the buzzer in some way causes it |
| 15:49.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah? huh! how's that? |
| 15:49.50 | kergoth | rmmod collie_tc35143af; rmmod collie_ssp;, then ifconfig irda0 up works |
| 15:49.51 | kergoth | no fucking idea |
| 15:49.53 | kergoth | its weird |
| 15:50.05 | kergoth | hopefully denes can figure it out, he wrote those sound drivers |
| 15:50.11 | mickeyl | damn. that's strange. |
| 15:50.13 | ljp | p;hmmm |
| 15:50.13 | mickeyl | ibot: seen denes |
| 15:50.14 | | mickeyl: i haven't seen 'denes' |
| 15:50.17 | mickeyl | ibot: seen pnis |
| 15:50.17 | | pnis <~pnis@caracas-1021.adsl.interware.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 45d 16h 14m 12s ago, saying: 'bye kergoth'. |
| 15:50.26 | mickeyl | 45 days... oh my |
| 15:50.28 | kergoth | mickeyl: he's frequenting the mailing lists, just hasnt been on irc lately |
| 15:50.29 | ljp | probably becuase that one chip does just about everything |
| 15:50.32 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah ok |
| 15:51.01 | kergoth | i dont even know what that error means |
| 15:51.05 | kergoth | 'out of streams resources' |
| 15:51.06 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | mickeyl: Any C700 on Cebit? |
| 15:51.23 | mickeyl | SuKo|JapanDDay-1: yes - we had a bunch under glass and two "hands-on" |
| 15:51.41 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | so, Sharp plans to release them in Europe? |
| 15:52.01 | JasonNJ | I've never met any of the euro sharp folks |
| 15:52.50 | ljp | me either |
| 15:52.53 | mickeyl | no. no european release planned. |
| 15:53.12 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | strange |
| 15:53.28 | JasonNJ | I wouldnt put it past Sharp to release an enhanced version in both the US and Euro markets though. |
| 15:53.47 | JasonNJ | my guess is they are waiting for the C step and to put more memory in it. |
| 15:53.57 | JasonNJ | and probably a bigger battery. |
| 15:54.23 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | C step? |
| 15:54.51 | treke|home | assuming they didnt price it prohibitivly |
| 15:55.04 | JasonNJ | yes, the new rev of the xScale chip |
| 15:55.14 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | pxa255? |
| 15:55.16 | JasonNJ | the one that has all the errata fixed and the higher performing ram bus |
| 15:55.17 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 15:55.20 | JasonNJ | the 255 |
| 15:57.05 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | did Sharp even spoke about this? |
| 15:57.13 | SuKo|JapanDDay-1 | -n+r |
| 16:08.45 | ljp | thats inconceivable! |
| 16:09.06 | chouimat | ljp: german/english one |
| 16:09.26 | ljp | every othe rword is German? |
| 16:09.36 | ljp | that would be funny |
| 16:09.49 | chouimat | ljp: odd page in german, even one in english :) |
| 16:12.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: say, the problem we have with binary modules in 2.4.19 - is this a problem of the SD driver only or will the camera driver also not function? |
| 16:12.42 | kergoth | mickeyl: is the camera driver a block layer device? |
| 16:13.09 | mickeyl | kergoth: no idea... will check... what would be best for us? |
| 16:13.19 | kergoth | it was block layer changes that broke sdmmc |
| 16:13.28 | kergoth | if it isnt a block device driver, it may work. |
| 16:13.42 | kergoth | or worst case, it may fail to work, but a module wrapper may work. |
| 16:13.48 | kergoth | (not the case with sdmmc) |
| 16:13.59 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok, i will check later this day. i just noticed, that the API of the camera module is documented - so I will get the chance to write opie-camera. |
| 16:14.08 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:16.22 | treke|home | what? someone actually bought a camera? |
| 16:16.46 | mickeyl | treke: hehe - actually i got it for free from sharp :D |
| 16:17.13 | treke|home | that probably makes you the only person with one |
| 16:17.15 | ljp | bastard!] |
| 16:17.30 | ljp | I want something free from sharp... |
| 16:17.45 | treke|home | <sharp> here's a free haircut. hippy |
| 16:17.51 | ljp | hehehe |
| 16:17.53 | kergoth | hrm, lets see |
| 16:18.07 | ljp | ]my hair is short |
| 16:18.10 | kergoth | pretec card entry added, kernel modules split done, /var mount bug gone |
| 16:18.21 | kergoth | irda bug still outstanding, need to add /etc/filesystems |
| 16:18.51 | ljp | emacs TODO |
| 16:20.56 | kergoth | echo alias emacs=vim >> ~/.bashrc |
| 16:21.31 | ljp | ouch |
| 16:21.54 | kergoth | stupid fucking usb-storage driver crashed again |
| 16:21.55 | kergoth | bbrb |
| 16:23.22 | ljp | damn thing |
| 16:23.30 | ljp | kill it! kill! kill! kill! |
| 16:29.21 | chouimat | ljp: :) |
| 16:29.29 | ljp | I think that coffee I had was a weee bit strong |
| 16:30.27 | chouimat | ~fishslap ljp |
| 16:30.29 | | ACTION slaps ljp up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:49.34 | chouimat | ljp: that an idea |
| 16:50.08 | ljp | ommmmmmm ooommmmmmmm |
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| 16:56.19 | sheenmaster | can anyone in here help with with ipk troubles? |
| 16:56.33 | sheenmaster | http://ibook.frob.us/~sheenmaster/FlameCalc/zaurus/ |
| 16:56.57 | sheenmaster | the output ipk has two problems |
| 16:57.14 | sheenmaster | 1. the gui-frontend to ipkg doesn't believe it's installed. I have to uninstall manually. |
| 16:57.30 | sheenmaster | 2. the .desktop file never appears in a tab |
| 16:59.57 | ljp | is the .desktop file getting installed? |
| 17:00.06 | ljp | enough room on device? |
| 17:01.00 | sheenmaster | d'oh |
| 17:01.09 | sheenmaster | I had the wrong directory |
| 17:01.49 | ljp | :) been there... done that |
| 17:02.42 | chouimat | sheenmaster: SCREENSHOT OF ALL VERSION PLEASE |
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| 17:03.14 | sheenmaster | chouimat: http://calc.frob.us/ has the JApplet |
| 17:03.25 | sheenmaster | chouimat: I haven't taken any screenshots yet |
| 17:04.02 | sheenmaster | chouimat: a few screenshots would be larger than the JApplet |
| 17:04.48 | sheenmaster | btw, the ipk in that url is NOT my app |
| 17:05.01 | sheenmaster | I stuck a placeholder in while I dug up the AWT frontent. |
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| 17:09.02 | chouimat | wb kergoth |
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| 17:43.15 | kergoth_ | yo |
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| 17:45.38 | kergoth_ | for anyone not following the OZ lists, we now know why irda isnt working |
| 17:45.38 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 17:45.54 | kergoth_ | we're trying to allocate a total of 7 dma channels.. there are only 6 in the unit |
| 17:46.15 | kenb | hah |
| 17:46.47 | mickeyl | doh! |
| 17:46.52 | kergoth_ | solution is to only allocate the dma channels when necessary |
| 17:46.56 | killefiz | kenb: At what point did that happen? My 3.1-rc1-irda works well |
| 17:47.00 | kergoth_ | i.e. for the audio drivers, on open of the dsps |
| 17:47.03 | kergoth_ | killefiz: rc3. |
| 17:47.09 | kergoth_ | rc3 switched to new audio drivers |
| 17:47.12 | kergoth_ | including a real dsp device for the buzzer |
| 17:47.27 | kergoth_ | as a result, we needed another dma channel |
| 17:47.30 | kergoth_ | hence the problem. |
| 17:47.33 | killefiz | gee - mp3 over buzzer? |
| 17:47.37 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 17:47.40 | kergoth_ | sounds like crap, but its nifty :) |
| 17:47.48 | kergoth_ | so really |
| 17:47.54 | mickeyl | it really is cool |
| 17:47.57 | kergoth_ | we need to get usbd/irda/audio allocating dma channels only when necessary |
| 17:48.02 | kergoth_ | for usbd, when it picks up an insert event |
| 17:48.08 | kergoth_ | for irda, when the devices are opened |
| 17:48.12 | kergoth_ | same for audio |
| 17:48.13 | kenb | yup. |
| 17:48.19 | kenb | that's gonna suck |
| 17:48.21 | kergoth_ | then you'd only see the problem |
| 17:48.27 | kergoth_ | if you are on usb, beaming, and playing mp3s |
| 17:48.29 | kergoth_ | all at once |
| 17:48.30 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 17:48.30 | killefiz | is there a quick fix? - like turning off usbd alltogether? |
| 17:48.38 | kergoth_ | unload the usbd modules |
| 17:48.41 | kergoth_ | or unload the audio modules |
| 17:48.41 | kenb | rmmod'g the usb module. |
| 17:48.43 | kenb | or audio |
| 17:48.45 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 17:48.46 | killefiz | ;) |
| 17:48.51 | kenb | :) |
| 17:48.54 | kergoth_ | hm |
| 17:48.59 | mickeyl | nah. unload usbd :) |
| 17:49.02 | kergoth_ | well, this needs an FAQ |
| 17:49.03 | mickeyl | not audio :) |
| 17:49.06 | kenb | ker: yes |
| 17:49.13 | killefiz | ok - i've never used usbd since i bought the wlan-card |
| 17:49.16 | kenb | i use audio more than USB |
| 17:49.17 | kergoth_ | hmm |
| 17:49.21 | kergoth_ | idea |
| 17:49.23 | kergoth_ | hack |
| 17:49.24 | kergoth_ | but an idea |
| 17:49.32 | kergoth_ | remove usbdmonitor from /etc/modules in the default images |
| 17:49.38 | kergoth_ | create a opie icon to start/stop usb |
| 17:49.40 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 17:49.52 | kergoth_ | "oh, i need to sync.. *tap*" |
| 17:50.03 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 17:51.21 | mickeyl | that should be integrated in network applet |
| 17:51.55 | kergoth_ | there is no network applet.. yet.. but i agree |
| 17:55.18 | killefiz | is it worth trying to upgrade from 3.1-rc2 to 3.1-3.1? Or should I just reflash? |
| 17:56.15 | dep | rc3 - opie shutdown app, restart goes through the motions (the progress bar happens) but no restart |
| 17:56.58 | kergoth_ | dep: known, fixed. |
| 17:57.08 | kergoth_ | dep: note: we do have a bug tracking system. |
| 17:57.32 | kergoth_ | killefiz: flashing is recommended |
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| 18:09.19 | ljp | frickin power went out. |
| 18:09.32 | treke|home | maybe it didnt |
| 18:10.03 | ljp | oh it did. for several blocks |
| 18:10.13 | ljp | stop lights and all |
| 18:10.40 | ljp | I was almost going to go outside |
| 18:12.32 | ljp | but then I saw a big, yellow something floating in the sky, and it blinded me when I tried to see what it was |
| 18:12.40 | treke|home | the power was still in you |
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| 18:23.31 | kergoth | chouimat: wb |
| 18:24.19 | yeiazel | mh... I haven't tested rc3.1 yet... I'm too lazy :) |
| 18:24.25 | kergoth | slacker |
| 18:25.23 | _Psycho | whats shaking ? |
| 18:26.22 | yeiazel | are rc3.1 pim applications data in the same format than oz3.0 ? if I try rc3.1, will they be unusable ? |
| 18:26.45 | kergoth | afaik it hasnt changed |
| 18:26.49 | yeiazel | ok |
| 18:27.04 | yeiazel | they are stored in /root, right ? |
| 18:27.13 | kergoth | $HOME, technically |
| 18:27.15 | kergoth | but yes |
| 18:27.19 | yeiazel | ok :) |
| 18:27.36 | yeiazel | since I'm using the sd card for /root, I think I can try it safely :) |
| 18:28.00 | kergoth | fucking usb-storage just fucking crashed a-fucking-gain |
| 18:28.02 | kergoth | grr! |
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| 18:28.57 | ljp | ~lart kergoth's usb-storage |
| 18:28.59 | chouimat | kergoth: wow! just saw that on tv: Making war for peace is like fucking for verginity |
| 18:29.10 | ljp | hehe |
| 18:29.12 | chouimat | s/verginity/virginity |
| 18:29.27 | killefiz | s/Making war/fighting/ |
| 18:29.48 | treke|home | chouimat: sounds like a winner to me |
| 18:32.40 | chouimat | treke|home: yup |
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| 18:44.05 | kergoth | yo |
| 18:44.15 | kergoth | so it looks like i'm seeing the exact behavior mallum reported |
| 18:44.20 | kergoth | tinylogin segfaults when built with gcc3 |
| 18:44.23 | kergoth | fun stuff |
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| 19:13.36 | bisho | kergoth: I'm updating the spanish mirror |
| 19:13.43 | kergoth | k, thanks |
| 19:14.00 | mickeyl|dinner | startmenu applets are now translatable :-D |
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| 19:21.50 | kergoth | mickeyl|tv: does tetrix actually use libstdc++? |
| 19:21.57 | kergoth | mickeyl|tv: or is that link just for gcc3 builds? |
| 19:22.10 | mickeyl|tv | kergoth: it uses it since last cvs update (see ohighscoredlg) |
| 19:22.22 | kergoth | ahh |
| 19:22.23 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 19:23.12 | killefiz | which one is the right feed for the 3.1-rc3.1? |
| 19:23.21 | kergoth | testing. |
| 19:23.26 | kergoth | release candidates = testing |
| 19:23.36 | killefiz | ok - i just found out that it's not stable ;) |
| 19:23.45 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:23.50 | killefiz | (which of course does make sense) |
| 19:23.52 | kergoth | final releases are stable |
| 19:23.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:24.11 | kergoth | all a release is, is branch migration |
| 19:24.16 | kergoth | -rc release = unstable -> testing |
| 19:24.21 | kergoth | final release = testing -> stable |
| 19:24.28 | JasonNJ | blargh |
| 19:24.33 | kergoth | sup jason |
| 19:25.01 | JasonNJ | I want my 5600 image. The friggin release rom by sharp sucks balls. |
| 19:25.25 | kergoth | I'm about to start on that |
| 19:25.26 | JasonNJ | I wont get my 5500 back for at least a week |
| 19:25.39 | kergoth | or finish, rather |
| 19:25.44 | kergoth | the real problem is the keyboard handling |
| 19:25.50 | JasonNJ | why? |
| 19:25.59 | JasonNJ | you couldnt use theirs? |
| 19:26.01 | kergoth | sharp didnt release the qt/e patch which added the keymaps and if statements for the keyboard |
| 19:26.12 | JasonNJ | doh |
| 19:26.13 | kergoth | that wasnt an issue for collie, because the support is in qt/e as released by trolltech |
| 19:26.22 | kergoth | now, I made qt/e obey a kernel keymap |
| 19:26.25 | kergoth | but |
| 19:26.33 | kergoth | thats not sufficient for b500/5600/c700 |
| 19:26.38 | kergoth | because their keyboard drivers blow goats |
| 19:26.41 | killefiz | JasonNJ: do you know anything about a 5600 release in europe? |
| 19:26.47 | JasonNJ | nyet. |
| 19:27.02 | JasonNJ | nein |
| 19:27.14 | killefiz | :( |
| 19:27.23 | kergoth | JasonNJ: so, I'm likely going to rewrite the keyboard drivers for the 5600/b500, c700 |
| 19:27.26 | JasonNJ | der zaurus ist kaput ein deutschland |
| 19:27.29 | ljp | old eurpoe? |
| 19:27.35 | ljp | europe |
| 19:27.38 | kergoth | as it'd be faster than putting the ugly hacks in qt/e the way sharp would have |
| 19:27.56 | kergoth | and we gain the added benefit of being able to remap anything. |
| 19:27.57 | killefiz | JasonNJ: what are you trying to say? |
| 19:28.09 | JasonNJ | I said the Z is likely kaput in germany |
| 19:28.29 | killefiz | The zaurus is broken in germany? |
| 19:28.38 | JasonNJ | no, as in, they wont sell any more |
| 19:28.44 | JasonNJ | as far as I know |
| 19:28.54 | killefiz | ahh - that's bad news |
| 19:29.34 | JasonNJ | It really depends if Sharp Deutschland can make the minimum order for them |
| 19:29.59 | JasonNJ | only 2000 5600's have been produced for the US to start, though |
| 19:30.12 | JasonNJ | I think for the most part, the 5600 will be passed over for a new model |
| 19:31.15 | _Psycho | i dont see why anyone would buy a 5600 when you can get a c700 for 60 more $ |
| 19:31.21 | killefiz | the good thing is that we can still switch to ipaqs should sharp decide to drop the linux based zaurii |
| 19:31.34 | JasonNJ | yep. |
| 19:31.40 | JasonNJ | there will be other PDAs too. |
| 19:33.33 | killefiz | sure - but should sharp finally fail i don't think any other company will sell linux based pdas anymore :( |
| 19:33.44 | JasonNJ | no, thats not correct. |
| 19:33.55 | JasonNJ | there are at least 3 in planning |
| 19:34.03 | JasonNJ | and remember, theres all the smartphones |
| 19:34.13 | JasonNJ | which for the most part, will probably replace the traditional pda |
| 19:34.30 | kergoth | god i hope not |
| 19:34.36 | JasonNJ | besides, it doesnt matter if the original manufacturer ships linux with the pda |
| 19:34.46 | killefiz | But probably from agenda and yopy sized companies ... |
| 19:34.47 | kergoth | I despise the whole concept. give me a _small_, minimal phone, and a PDA, and bluetooth, anyday, thanks |
| 19:34.52 | JasonNJ | the entire premise of OE is to provide a PDA-hardware agnositic distribution |
| 19:34.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:34.56 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:35.04 | killefiz | JasonNJ: It does matter - i don't wan't to pay a microsoft tax on my pocket computer! |
| 19:35.20 | JasonNJ | you aint paying the tax |
| 19:35.27 | JasonNJ | the manufacturer is |
| 19:35.37 | JasonNJ | we're talking like, 3 bucks per unit license. |
| 19:35.55 | JasonNJ | its not even close to what they are on PC's. |
| 19:36.23 | killefiz | JasonNJ: maybe it's 3$/unit now - but that's only because microsoft is not yet alone in the market |
| 19:36.36 | JasonNJ | will never happen. |
| 19:37.17 | killefiz | JasonNJ: I hope you're right |
| 19:37.27 | JasonNJ | PDA |
| 19:37.41 | JasonNJ | is going to be ubiquitously cheap and commidized over the next 5 years |
| 19:38.02 | JasonNJ | and for the most part, they are going to come from the cell phone manufactuers and teh chinese/koreans |
| 19:38.04 | JasonNJ | who all hate MS |
| 19:38.09 | chouimat | *sigh* |
| 19:38.28 | killefiz | not too different from the pc-market IMO - and MS holds some 97% there ... |
| 19:38.33 | sheenmaster | JasonNJ: should I side with M$ or the commies? |
| 19:38.39 | sheenmaster | JasonNJ: now I don't know what to think :( |
| 19:39.20 | JasonNJ | killefiz: europe is enough of a reason why MS will not succeed on that front |
| 19:39.29 | JasonNJ | the future of the PDA is too tied to digital convergence |
| 19:39.46 | JasonNJ | call it a smartphone or a PDA-phone, they will all be subsidized by carriers |
| 19:39.59 | JasonNJ | and by the manufactuers deals with the carriers |
| 19:40.16 | JasonNJ | no PDA will be wireless-less within 3 years |
| 19:40.32 | killefiz | if you want to buy a "smartphone" here it's always a wince pocketpc |
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| 19:40.44 | killefiz | i'd say microsoft has 100% on that here in Europe - no palm devices |
| 19:40.50 | kergoth | stupid fucking usb-storage. |
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| 19:41.12 | chouimat | year 2015: Buy the new Palm mzgh75869, include PDA,Cellphone, digital music player, 320GB hdd, a webcam, satellite tv receiver and a coffee maker that fit in the palm of your hand |
| 19:41.44 | JasonNJ | yeah I vastly prefer screaming down the end of a coffee can |
| 19:41.58 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 19:41.59 | ljp | hehee |
| 19:42.13 | ljp | damn, that was fun when I was a kid |
| 19:42.58 | chouimat | I wonder what happen when a component of one of those device brokes . |
| 19:43.12 | ljp | find another can |
| 19:44.09 | chouimat | ljp: now of the cellphone,pda,mp3 player, webcam combo |
| 19:44.13 | chouimat | s/now/no |
| 19:45.00 | ljp | heheheh.. ooh |
| 19:45.12 | JasonNJ | theres not gonna be much to break, they have it close to getting down to 1 or two chips now |
| 19:45.31 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I hope .... |
| 19:45.43 | JasonNJ | a lot of it is in software |
| 19:45.59 | JasonNJ | the FPGA technology elimiates the need for a lot of special purpose circuitry |
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| 19:55.12 | kergoth | hey scanline |
| 19:55.18 | scanline | hi kergoth |
| 19:55.31 | sheenmaster | kergoth: is there any trick to actually using kaffe? |
| 19:55.39 | kergoth | sheenmaster: ask twuin.. i have no idea |
| 19:55.44 | sheenmaster | kergoth: it segfaults no matter what parameters I pass |
| 19:56.03 | sheenmaster | k, so far Wonka seems to be the best jvm for the Z |
| 19:56.03 | kergoth | fun |
| 19:56.05 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:56.29 | scanline | JasonNJ: if you're interested, I drew up a few alternative logos |
| 19:57.02 | chouimat|gone | scanline: forgot to add "non-retina burning" before logos :) |
| 19:57.15 | scanline | ah yes, non-retina-burning is their primary feature :) |
| 19:57.40 | killefiz | is mounted ro on my shiny new 3.1-3.1 installation??? |
| 19:57.46 | kergoth | what? |
| 19:57.57 | killefiz | hmm - / is mounted ro |
| 19:57.59 | kergoth | that question makese zero sense |
| 19:58.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:58.01 | kergoth | not here |
| 19:58.09 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 19:58.14 | killefiz | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:58.19 | killefiz | mount: block device /dev/mtdblock4 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 19:58.25 | kergoth | fun |
| 19:58.26 | kergoth | reboot |
| 19:58.47 | kergoth | you know, switching back and forth between gcc2 and gcc3 in my .config is getting old real fast |
| 19:59.02 | killefiz | what is the right way to reboot? reboot on a console or stopping opie and typing reboot from the console? |
| 19:59.11 | kergoth | jus type reboot |
| 19:59.14 | kergoth | you dont have to stop opie |
| 20:00.40 | kergoth | hrm, I want to do some kernel development again |
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| 20:02.50 | ljp | develop that sd module and you will be very popular |
| 20:04.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:05.16 | ljp | scanline: is there a url? |
| 20:05.32 | scanline | yep. Here's the one that I think is the best: |
| 20:05.33 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/~micah/images/art/oe_logo2-small.png |
| 20:05.40 | chouimat|gone | does I get out or not |
| 20:05.41 | scanline | and here are some more: |
| 20:05.43 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/~micah/images/art/oe_thingy.png |
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| 20:06.15 | sheenmaster | kergoth: do you know how I could call embeddedkonsole from a script? To have it load Wonka in this case. |
| 20:06.24 | kergoth | sheenmaster: search the opie mailing list archives |
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| 20:08.55 | ljp | 3 is nice |
| 20:09.40 | ljp | how about this for oe logo (0)(e) |
| 20:09.45 | scanline | it's like the copyright symbol, but with an alien growth in it :) |
| 20:09.53 | scanline | ascii art? |
| 20:10.07 | ljp | copyright symbol with a boner |
| 20:10.54 | scanline | ha |
| 20:12.49 | killefiz | is konqueror broken in the testing feed? |
| 20:14.25 | kergoth | no |
| 20:14.28 | kergoth | but it wont install |
| 20:14.35 | kergoth | edit fstab, remove ,user from the /var line, reboot |
| 20:15.27 | killefiz | ok - thanks |
| 20:17.57 | killefiz | btw: rebooting solved the ro mount |
| 20:18.20 | kergoth | k |
| 20:19.22 | cwaig | kergoth...... |
| 20:20.26 | cwaig | have you any idea why the /dev/bty devices are numbered wrong? |
| 20:20.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: whats new |
| 20:21.07 | kergoth | cwaig: they're numbered wrong? how so? |
| 20:21.15 | billytwowilly | treke: you around man? |
| 20:21.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: built a new toolchain, hacking on a gcc3 c700 image now |
| 20:21.41 | yeiazel | 3.1rc3.1 first-booting |
| 20:21.44 | cwaig | you get bty1-4, instead of bty0-3 |
| 20:21.52 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:21.56 | kergoth | are the major/minors correct? |
| 20:22.00 | cwaig | bty1 has minor 0 |
| 20:22.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: nice |
| 20:22.09 | cwaig | but the majors are ok |
| 20:22.21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 20:22.35 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:22.35 | cwaig | (I had a shit of a time getting affix back up after swapping the the latest OZ) |
| 20:22.42 | kergoth | cwaig: ah |
| 20:22.45 | kergoth | i'll fix it |
| 20:22.49 | cwaig | :) |
| 20:23.21 | cwaig | congrats on the IrDA tty stuff BTW - my IRK proggy works pukka now..... |
| 20:23.39 | cwaig | (shame the IrDA applet is broken) |
| 20:25.08 | yeiazel | so cuuuute icons ! :) |
| 20:26.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:27.51 | cwaig | one other thing - CTRL+C doesn't work in the terminal app anymore |
| 20:28.23 | kergoth | yep |
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| 20:28.31 | ljp | hmm |
| 20:28.32 | kergoth | open a bug in opie's bts if it hasnt been opened already |
| 20:28.33 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 20:28.38 | | from memory, opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 20:28.49 | ljp | what has oe changed? |
| 20:28.53 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:29.01 | kergoth | with regard to keyboard mapping? nothing. |
| 20:29.08 | kergoth | we're using qt/e 2.3.4 final |
| 20:29.17 | kergoth | doubt thatd affect anything |
| 20:29.25 | ljp | embeddedkonsole or console? |
| 20:29.33 | kergoth | embeddedkonsole |
| 20:29.44 | kergoth | console needs some UI cleanup before it is a sane replacement |
| 20:29.52 | ljp | cause nothing has changed in that app |
| 20:30.04 | kergoth | what is opie-keytabs? |
| 20:30.38 | ljp | dunno |
| 20:31.24 | kergoth | eh |
| 20:31.28 | kergoth | opie-embeddedkonsole Depends on it |
| 20:31.34 | kergoth | but you dont know what it is? :) |
| 20:31.35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:31.45 | ljp | ooohh |
| 20:31.46 | TheMasterMind1 | who was going to update X in the buildroot? |
| 20:31.51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: mallum. |
| 20:31.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: he's got a new tinyx working on the c700 |
| 20:32.07 | kergoth | he'll send me the changeset sometime soon |
| 20:32.20 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 20:32.21 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 20:32.29 | ljp | its /etc/keytabs/* |
| 20:32.39 | kergoth | and what are they? |
| 20:32.43 | TheMasterMind1 | need gpe in the buildroot after thats all set |
| 20:33.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 20:33.47 | TheMasterMind1 | added vim |
| 20:33.49 | ljp | key definitions |
| 20:34.15 | ljp | does ctrl-C work on console? |
| 20:34.16 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd do you do that, vim refused to xcompile last time i tried |
| 20:34.19 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: no |
| 20:34.21 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 20:34.25 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't work in konsole |
| 20:34.27 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno about console |
| 20:35.16 | ljp | does just highlighting copy to clipboard? |
| 20:37.05 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:38.42 | yeiazel | would it be useful to switch to unstable ? (are there really many many more packages... ?) |
| 20:38.54 | kergoth | um |
| 20:38.58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, this mplayer shell thing looks cool |
| 20:38.59 | kergoth | a 'release' of testing |
| 20:39.04 | kergoth | is basically a move of unstable to testing |
| 20:39.10 | kergoth | as of release time, testing _is_ unstable |
| 20:39.12 | kergoth | they're identical |
| 20:39.19 | kergoth | until new changes occur |
| 20:39.50 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez, a load of 2.38 |
| 20:39.53 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid 2.4.6 |
| 20:40.07 | yeiazel | then, if I switch to unstable now, there will be no differece, because rc3.1 has just been released, right ? |
| 20:40.23 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:40.37 | TheMasterMind1 | and its 3.1rc3.1 |
| 20:40.42 | TheMasterMind1 | err, nm |
| 20:40.55 | TheMasterMind1 | that multiple 3.1 is confusing |
| 20:40.55 | kergoth | yeiazel: right. until I make chagnes |
| 20:40.58 | yeiazel | okay, no real need to switch to unstable then for the moment |
| 20:41.01 | kergoth | which I have, but unstable hasnt been updated yet |
| 20:41.02 | Twiun | hey |
| 20:41.11 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: sup |
| 20:41.40 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 20:41.53 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: working on scrollpanes/bars for wonka... you? |
| 20:42.17 | yeiazel | 3.1 seems faster than 3.0, is it just a personal feeling ? |
| 20:42.44 | SuKo|Japan | bye? everybody, see you in 2 weeks ! |
| 20:42.49 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: nada |
| 20:43.08 | kergoth | bye SuKo|Japan, have fun! |
| 20:43.44 | yeiazel | bye SuKo|Japan |
| 20:43.45 | yeiazel | bastard :) |
| 20:44.01 | TheMasterMind1 | time for another opie bug filing spree |
| 20:44.20 | SuKo|Japan | kergoth: Thanks ! I hope i'll come back to beta test OZ on both my B500 and nextcoming C700 |
| 20:44.21 | TheMasterMind1 | what are the major issues right now |
| 20:44.23 | ljp | opie has no bugs.. |
| 20:45.15 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.15 | TheMasterMind1 | Works fine with Keyboard instead of Multikey. |
| 20:45.15 | TheMasterMind1 | Works with 'Multikey' and same script with Opie-terminal. |
| 20:45.43 | TheMasterMind1 | says mantis |
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| 20:47.46 | treke|home | man this day is going slowly |
| 20:47.53 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 20:48.13 | ljp | ooh, I see.. hang on |
| 20:49.32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: did we fix all those issues with monitor mode + hostap? |
| 20:50.08 | kergoth | we backrev'd hostap |
| 20:50.09 | kergoth | should work now |
| 20:50.40 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
| 20:50.56 | TheMasterMind1 | needs we16 stuff to work with the new hostap? |
| 20:51.01 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:51.01 | ljp | cvs up |
| 20:51.08 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:51.11 | kergoth | we15 or something |
| 20:51.20 | kergoth | we had to backrev since our old as dirt kernel has old as dirt WE |
| 20:51.37 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 20:51.38 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 20:51.51 | kergoth | check this |
| 20:51.54 | kergoth | can override gcc ver now |
| 20:51.55 | kergoth | make GCCVER=2.95.3 SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 |
| 20:51.57 | kergoth | make |
| 20:51.59 | kergoth | :D |
| 20:52.10 | ljp | there. I committed something. my existence is validated |
| 20:52.14 | kergoth | much more convenient |
| 20:52.45 | TheMasterMind1 | well, i closed one bug |
| 20:52.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:52.50 | TheMasterMind1 | bbl, lunch |
| 20:53.33 | Twiun | ibot: seen tronical |
| 20:53.35 | | tronical is currently on #openembedded (20h 50m 47s) |
| 20:53.55 | Twiun | tronical: ping |
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| 20:55.12 | noda | Moo! |
| 20:55.29 | ljp | bastard submitted a texteditor bug |
| 20:55.31 | kergoth | hey noda |
| 20:55.38 | noda | kergoth: Heya :) |
| 20:55.41 | noda | Is the changelog working properly now? |
| 20:56.23 | kergoth | havent tested |
| 20:56.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:56.37 | noda | Actually, I'm going to change it around, make it select the latest release by default and display it. |
| 20:57.37 | dep | ljp: yeah...i'm the bastard |
| 20:58.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:58.12 | kergoth | there are a few open texteditor bugs |
| 20:58.56 | ljp | and most I cant reproduce |
| 20:59.47 | dep | but tmm1 closed it with "got report to opie bugs" |
| 20:59.59 | ljp | well, that one needs fixin' |
| 21:00.00 | dep | s/got/go/ |
| 21:00.14 | ljp | oh, I'm looking at opie bugs |
| 21:00.48 | ljp | desktop one |
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| 21:01.26 | killefiz | more mediaplayer-trouble - i can start it from console but not from opie "launcher". Any hints? |
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| 21:14.18 | ljp | killfiz: opieplayer2? |
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| 21:16.10 | noda | kergoth: How am I supposed to use the buzzer to play sounds in OZ-3.1rc3.1? |
| 21:16.23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:16.31 | TheMasterMind1 | add it to the faq when you find out |
| 21:16.32 | noda | kergoth: btw, hope you don't mind I put release notes into the latest release to show off my new changelog :) |
| 21:17.26 | kergoth | k |
| 21:17.55 | noda | Anybody? Does ANYBODY know how to play these sounds? :P |
| 21:18.21 | kergoth | eh |
| 21:18.25 | kergoth | its a dsp device |
| 21:19.22 | noda | What's the device? |
| 21:19.40 | kergoth | ls -l /dev/sharp_buz |
| 21:19.44 | kergoth | its just a symlink to the dsp |
| 21:19.46 | noda | Cool :) |
| 21:19.57 | killefiz | ljp: yes - opieplayer2 |
| 21:20.31 | Twiun | yikes, compiling konq/e is taking ages |
| 21:21.52 | noda | Oh, btw, monitor mode is great! On a little road trip around town, I found about 20 WEP-free networks :) |
| 21:22.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:22.02 | noda | In half as many blocks :) |
| 21:22.37 | noda | So... I'm ignorant. How do I get a dsp device to make noise? :) |
| 21:22.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:22.53 | kergoth | send a wave file to it |
| 21:22.56 | gaurdian | I thought kismet dident work in latest release |
| 21:22.58 | kergoth | assuming its in the correct format |
| 21:23.02 | kergoth | gaurdian: it doesnt? |
| 21:23.04 | ljp | cat noise >> /dev/dsp |
| 21:23.14 | kergoth | remember, the dsp doesnt do conversions |
| 21:23.14 | endr | kergoth: not really that well, no |
| 21:23.17 | kergoth | the app needs to |
| 21:23.20 | noda | What's the format? |
| 21:23.21 | kergoth | endr: whats it do? |
| 21:23.28 | endr | kergoth: if you install to ram, it doesn't symlink /etc/kismet |
| 21:23.31 | gaurdian | Thats what I thou8ght, hasnt there been people saying it doesnt (I havent tried personally) |
| 21:23.32 | endr | so the conf files are missing |
| 21:23.36 | endr | and server doesn't start |
| 21:23.38 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:23.42 | kergoth | ipkg-link is your friend. |
| 21:23.47 | endr | dunno, I'll retry to confirm |
| 21:23.54 | endr | (deinstall, reinstall) |
| 21:23.54 | kergoth | ipkg install -d ram blah |
| 21:23.58 | kergoth | ipkg-link add blah |
| 21:24.01 | endr | kergoth: I used aqpkg |
| 21:24.08 | endr | is that wrong? |
| 21:24.10 | kergoth | aqpkg autosymlinks every file the package includes |
| 21:24.18 | kergoth | so if its not, something very weird is going on |
| 21:24.19 | endr | I know, I know...but I'll try again |
| 21:24.25 | kergoth | k |
| 21:24.34 | endr | usually it is very good |
| 21:24.37 | endr | here goes... |
| 21:24.39 | endr | brb |
| 21:25.01 | noda | I can't find a single wav file on my system that works with *my* /dev/dsp, let alone the Zaurus's... |
| 21:25.15 | kergoth | why not just move the headphone dsp out of the way |
| 21:25.20 | kergoth | symlink it back to the buzzer |
| 21:25.22 | kergoth | and play an mp3 in opie? |
| 21:25.22 | noda | Ah, hehe, clever :) |
| 21:25.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:26.54 | noda | Speaking of which, opie-mediaplayer2 from the feed wants opie-mediaplayer-codecs, it should ask for libxine1 |
| 21:27.12 | noda | In the ipkg Package file (or whichever it is, I forget ipk format) |
| 21:28.11 | noda | rofl! |
| 21:28.18 | noda | This sound is awesome! :P |
| 21:28.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:28.57 | yeiazel | opie freezes when my sd card is inserted. it unfreezes 2-3 seconds after removing the card... |
| 21:30.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:30.24 | kergoth | yes, thats opie scanning the docs on the card |
| 21:30.26 | kergoth | known behavior |
| 21:30.39 | yeiazel | okay |
| 21:30.48 | yeiazel | is there a way to deactivate this ? |
| 21:31.06 | kergoth | install opie-mediummount |
| 21:31.11 | yeiazel | thx |
| 21:31.12 | kergoth | lets you control the scanning behavior |
| 21:31.13 | kergoth | np |
| 21:31.22 | noda | Hrm, the buzzer has stopped making noise :( |
| 21:31.24 | kergoth | courset hen you wont see your docs tab populated with files on it |
| 21:31.39 | noda | (even screen taps, even though /dev/sharp_buz still exists) |
| 21:31.54 | kergoth | noda: it can only be opened once. |
| 21:31.58 | kergoth | noda: opie has it open via sharp_buz |
| 21:31.59 | kergoth | boom |
| 21:32.08 | kergoth | rmeove the sharp_buz link and reboot |
| 21:32.08 | noda | Ah, that explains it :) |
| 21:32.12 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:32.20 | noda | Well, it's not really THAT important to me, I just wanted to hear something. And I did :) |
| 21:32.47 | kergoth | hehheh |
| 21:32.59 | noda | Speaking of reboot... my Opie shutdown program doesn't reboot, is that a known bug with 3.1rc3.1? |
| 21:33.13 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:33.17 | noda | Okay, just making sure :) |
| 21:33.28 | kergoth | opie expected /sbin to be in the PATH |
| 21:33.31 | kergoth | stupid assumption |
| 21:33.41 | noda | Yeah, it *shouldn't* be in the path :) |
| 21:33.48 | kergoth | well, we're in opie as root |
| 21:33.50 | noda | Well, that's not true. But it is a stupid assumption :) |
| 21:34.02 | kergoth | the thing is, if you dont use opie-login, it doesnt source $HOME/.profile |
| 21:34.06 | kergoth | only /etc/profile is loaded |
| 21:34.09 | kergoth | which _shouldnt_ have sbin in the path |
| 21:34.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:34.17 | noda | Yeah |
| 21:34.23 | noda | btw, I like the 'Please wait: booting..." |
| 21:34.25 | kergoth | fixed it in opie cvs |
| 21:34.27 | kergoth | nice and quiet eh? |
| 21:34.35 | noda | But... does the square above the space have to be white? :) |
| 21:34.43 | kergoth | i dunno why it does that |
| 21:34.45 | kergoth | kinda weird |
| 21:34.49 | noda | Heh, okay :) |
| 21:35.14 | noda | It'd be REALLY cool if it didn't skip a space at all... why not make 'please wait, booting..." part of the boot logo? Then the problem would be gone |
| 21:35.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:35.26 | kergoth | thats what i want done |
| 21:35.35 | kergoth | but we're switching logos anyway |
| 21:35.38 | noda | Yeah, cool :) |
| 21:35.39 | kergoth | so doing it to this one is pointless |
| 21:38.19 | endr | kergoth: I take it back about the symlinks |
| 21:38.26 | kergoth | endr: does it work? |
| 21:38.40 | endr | kergoth: yes, though earlier today I was running kismet and I had no /etc/kismet (and I didn't delete it) |
| 21:38.44 | endr | well so now: |
| 21:38.49 | endr | kismet installs fine |
| 21:39.02 | endr | but kismet_qt can't start the server without help |
| 21:39.05 | endr | I have to run |
| 21:39.07 | endr | kismet_monitor |
| 21:39.09 | endr | is that expected? |
| 21:39.17 | kergoth | no, it should start everythign it needs |
| 21:39.27 | kergoth | does the cmdline kismet work? |
| 21:39.30 | endr | no |
| 21:39.33 | noda | Holy crap! It's 5 degrees outside, I should go out and play :) |
| 21:39.33 | endr | it complains about |
| 21:39.39 | endr | the kismet_monitor not being run |
| 21:39.40 | noda | Spriiiiiiiiing! :) |
| 21:39.40 | endr | too |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | endr: no, i mean if you start the monitor |
| 21:39.50 | kergoth | cmdline kismet never starts it for you |
| 21:39.53 | endr | kergoth: oh, yes, it works fine |
| 21:39.54 | noda | endr: kismet_monitor; kismet_server |
| 21:39.54 | kergoth | but kismet-qt does |
| 21:39.56 | kergoth | okay, good |
| 21:39.58 | kergoth | technically |
| 21:39.59 | noda | :) |
| 21:39.59 | endr | noda: yup |
| 21:40.02 | yeiazel | the automounter mounts my ext2 sd card as vfat... known bug ? |
| 21:40.03 | kergoth | you should run kismet_hopper |
| 21:40.06 | kergoth | not kismet_monitor |
| 21:40.08 | endr | oh |
| 21:40.10 | kergoth | otherwise it wont channel hop |
| 21:40.12 | endr | oh |
| 21:40.16 | kergoth | kismet-qt hops on its own |
| 21:40.18 | noda | Oh, what's channel hopping? |
| 21:40.25 | kergoth | so kismet_monitor, then kismet-qt |
| 21:40.25 | kergoth | or |
| 21:40.27 | noda | Changing frequencies? |
| 21:40.29 | endr | kergoth: but kismet_qt doesn't :( |
| 21:40.29 | kergoth | kismet_hopper, then kismet |
| 21:40.32 | kergoth | endr: ? |
| 21:40.42 | endr | kergoth: kismet_qt doesn't start anything |
| 21:40.45 | kergoth | how do you know? |
| 21:40.49 | noda | kergoth: I thought kismet_server did the stuff |
| 21:40.56 | kergoth | checked the process list? |
| 21:40.56 | kergoth | noda: you thought wrong |
| 21:40.57 | noda | Okay :) |
| 21:40.58 | endr | kergoth: will do |
| 21:41.01 | JasonNJ | kergoth: think we can make a script that extracts teh sharp applications out of the 5600 final rom image? |
| 21:41.10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah, easy enough |
| 21:41.25 | noda | JasonNJ: Moo |
| 21:41.26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the old buildroot used to download hte 5500 image, and rip out opera and build an ipk from it |
| 21:41.30 | kergoth | just a matter of altering it |
| 21:41.42 | JasonNJ | I just queried you something. |
| 21:41.42 | chouimat | JasonNJ: hi |
| 21:41.58 | JasonNJ | have a look at that sync software as well |
| 21:42.39 | kergoth | k |
| 21:43.12 | endr | kergoth: you are influencing my z to make it behave differently once you tell me I'm wrong :) |
| 21:43.16 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:43.19 | kergoth | that happens |
| 21:43.21 | endr | kergoth: kismet_qt is now happy |
| 21:43.21 | kergoth | people call tech support |
| 21:43.23 | endr | kergoth: actually |
| 21:43.27 | endr | kergoth: hehe |
| 21:43.27 | kergoth | and all of a sudden it all works |
| 21:43.30 | endr | kergoth: I suspect |
| 21:43.43 | endr | kergoth: that because it defaults to Sharp ROM |
| 21:43.49 | endr | kergoth: it doesn't work the first time |
| 21:44.00 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:44.07 | endr | kergoth: but now...it's started the server but not the hopper or monitor |
| 21:44.08 | JasonNJ | kergoth: it would be way cool if we could hack a script that builds ipks for the 5600 and 5500 versions of OZ |
| 21:44.12 | endr | kergoth: is that ok? |
| 21:44.22 | kergoth | endr: yeah |
| 21:44.25 | kergoth | endr: it has an internal hopper |
| 21:44.28 | kergoth | not a seperate process |
| 21:44.36 | endr | kergoth: ah cool |
| 21:44.38 | kergoth | and monitor would run, but exits right away |
| 21:44.40 | kergoth | so you wouldnt see it listed |
| 21:44.41 | endr | kergoth: I will shut up now |
| 21:44.43 | kergoth | k |
| 21:44.50 | JasonNJ | it shouldnt be too tough... the 5600 doesnt use optimzed software |
| 21:44.54 | kergoth | so we've confirmed the monitoring tools work, good |
| 21:44.57 | JasonNJ | same friggin binaries |
| 21:44.58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah, not much to it. |
| 21:45.22 | JasonNJ | we should do it especially for the 5500 folk, who are gonna be pissed that Sharp isnt releasing a new rom. |
| 21:45.29 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:45.48 | JasonNJ | may have to do some really goofy shit with symlinks |
| 21:45.59 | JasonNJ | but I bet we can get it to work.. OZ has a jffs2 like the 5600 |
| 21:46.02 | kergoth | my old ipk builder |
| 21:46.12 | kergoth | had a routine to 'undo' the embedix symlink madness |
| 21:46.23 | kergoth | it'd build ipks of every package in teh shapr rom |
| 21:46.27 | kergoth | but i never updated it |
| 21:46.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:47.46 | JasonNJ | we may have problems making the 5500 sync like the 5600 though |
| 21:47.55 | JasonNJ | due to the way the serial usb driver works |
| 21:48.03 | JasonNJ | but at the very least we should be able to get the pim to work |
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| 21:48.19 | JasonNJ | and hancom and opera |
| 21:48.21 | kergoth | well, i'm pulling the usbd stack from 5600/c700 into our trees |
| 21:48.22 | kergoth | so.. |
| 21:48.38 | dmalloc | ehlo |
| 21:49.03 | JasonNJ | hmm but I thought it was chipset dependent |
| 21:49.04 | ljp | what?! Sharp isnt releasing another rom? I want my money back!! oh.. ya, they never got it in the first place... nm |
| 21:52.09 | yeiazel | seems you have not seen the first time I've asked it : |
| 21:52.11 | yeiazel | the automounter mounts my ext2 sd card as vfat... known bug ? |
| 21:52.25 | kergoth | its your card. |
| 21:52.31 | kergoth | it has vfat remnants, or an incorrect partition type |
| 21:52.42 | yeiazel | strange :) |
| 21:52.48 | kergoth | umount, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcda1, mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 .. |
| 21:52.48 | yeiazel | 3.0 mounted it well |
| 21:52.50 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:52.53 | kergoth | 3.0 used busybox moun |
| 21:52.53 | kergoth | t |
| 21:52.56 | kergoth | which wasnt intelligent |
| 21:52.59 | yeiazel | okay |
| 21:53.01 | kergoth | util-linux mount is smarter |
| 21:53.21 | JasonNJ | kergoth: it would be cool if we could port the serial usb to 5500.. or at least hack the current sync method with the IP stack to work with intellisync somehow |
| 21:53.33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'll look into it. |
| 21:53.42 | dmalloc | bah who needs intellisync *ducks* ;) |
| 21:54.05 | dmalloc | yay |
| 21:54.39 | JasonNJ | I dont know much about how the 5600 sync process works... I assume its some kind of file transfer or queries taht database some way |
| 21:55.16 | kergoth | i dont know much about it yet either |
| 21:55.20 | kergoth | need to figure it out |
| 21:55.21 | kergoth | document it |
| 21:55.50 | kergoth | :D |
| 21:56.04 | dmalloc | well except for using debian... ethereal is ok ;) |
| 21:56.43 | kergoth | ~fishslap dmalloc |
| 21:56.45 | | ACTION slaps dmalloc up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:57.25 | dmalloc | though I am a console puppy, so tcpdump it is for me |
| 21:57.39 | kergoth | i hate interpreting tcpdump output |
| 21:57.58 | kergoth | it needs a 'follow tcp connection' option, to split out tcp connections into seperate files |
| 21:58.04 | dmalloc | hehe over the years you learn it, but I agree it is not realyl helpful when you aren`t used to it |
| 21:58.28 | endr | bah |
| 21:58.41 | endr | kergoth: kismet_qt doesn't work after reboot or /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart |
| 21:59.10 | endr | kergoth: I have to start _monitor or _hopper, then kill them, then run kismet_qt and then it works |
| 21:59.24 | kergoth | ah, so kismet-qt isnt putting the card in monitor mode |
| 21:59.24 | endr | (works = starts server; still doesn't hop) |
| 21:59.27 | kergoth | open a bug report |
| 21:59.30 | endr | k |
| 21:59.31 | kergoth | kismet-qt is a SF project |
| 21:59.35 | kergoth | i forget the exact proejct name |
| 21:59.35 | endr | will do |
| 22:02.59 | dmalloc | Is there somewhere a listingh to find out which wireless chip netgear uses ? |
| 22:03.13 | treke|home | probably prism |
| 22:03.35 | kergoth | yeah, it is |
| 22:03.39 | dmalloc | to use kismet I have to wlan0 down first, correct? |
| 22:04.03 | treke|home | netgear and linksys are pretty predictable :) |
| 22:04.28 | dmalloc | hehe, thank you guys |
| 22:04.47 | billytwowilly | treke|home: you there man? |
| 22:04.56 | NeoTron | I need a volunteer who can connect their zaurus or otherwise linuxified PDA to the network... |
| 22:04.59 | kergoth | treke|home: quick, hide! |
| 22:05.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:05.21 | billytwowilly | heh. I've been trying to ask him about RC3 for a couple days now;) funny stuff. |
| 22:05.37 | treke|home | I am for a little while |
| 22:05.55 | billytwowilly | are you going to make jffs2's of rc3? |
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| 22:06.05 | treke|home | no |
| 22:06.28 | endr | kergoth: thx, project is kismet qt/e, bug submitted |
| 22:06.30 | billytwowilly | ok, but why not? |
| 22:06.30 | treke|home | jffs2's are being made of whatever happens to be in buildroot at the time I build images |
| 22:06.38 | billytwowilly | oh ok. |
| 22:06.58 | _Psycho | ibot bk oz |
| 22:06.59 | | [oz bk] bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:06.59 | JasonNJ | neotron: got an ipk? |
| 22:07.01 | billytwowilly | so the previous jffs2's aren't rc2 then? |
| 22:07.07 | JasonNJ | I can try it on my 5600 |
| 22:07.19 | treke|home | no. They are somewhere between rc2 and rc3 |
| 22:07.19 | kergoth | billytwowilly: they were builds from our buildsystem. |
| 22:07.33 | kergoth | billytwowilly: consider a release as just a snapshot of OZ as of a certain date |
| 22:07.33 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: tarfile. :P |
| 22:07.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:07.57 | dmalloc | now all I need is a usb GPS and I will be happy those GPS apps on ZSI are neat |
| 22:08.02 | treke|home | billytwowilly: Since I wont be releasing with 3.1, there isnt much point in tracking the rc's :) |
| 22:08.09 | NeoTron | wait a sec |
| 22:08.16 | NeoTron | I think I'll try this other persons game. :P |
| 22:08.22 | billytwowilly | treke|home: oh, what schedule are you on for releasing? |
| 22:08.26 | NeoTron | never mind. :P |
| 22:08.37 | treke|home | billytwowilly: probably 3.2 |
| 22:09.09 | billytwowilly | treke|home: oh ok, but will you be putting out jffs2's previous to 3.2? |
| 22:09.26 | dmalloc | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=810 <-- overclocking hahaha |
| 22:09.34 | treke|home | yeah I'll probably put more jffs2's out as I get stable ones |
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| 22:09.59 | yeiazel | dmalloc: why not ;) |
| 22:10.05 | billytwowilly | treke|home: ok, thanks. |
| 22:11.00 | dmalloc | yeiazel: overclocking? hehe Ijust found that funny ;) |
| 22:11.02 | DocWhat | howdy |
| 22:11.56 | DocWhat | Overclocking a Z is like Turbo Charging a Chuaua. Whatever you do, it's still just a chuauau. |
| 22:12.17 | dmalloc | can I simply install a .deb as .deb or do I have to rename it to .ipgk `? |
| 22:12.17 | endr | DocWhat: what is a Chuaua?? |
| 22:12.24 | kergoth | dmalloc: you can install it as is |
| 22:12.35 | treke|home | endr: Chiahuahua :) |
| 22:12.44 | treke|home | small dog |
| 22:12.46 | billytwowilly | endr: small dog with a hard to spell name;) |
| 22:12.47 | NeoTron | anyone else up for an exclusive preview of snails? :P I want to test internet multiplayer.. |
| 22:12.49 | dmalloc | sexecellent |
| 22:12.52 | endr | lol |
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| 22:13.03 | DocWhat | treke|home: Thanks. I knew I spelled that wrong. |
| 22:13.11 | dmalloc | now to do and install perl on my Z |
| 22:13.19 | treke|home | I probably spelled it wrong also, but was closer :) |
| 22:13.29 | JasonNJ | so whats the most powerful weapon in snails, garlic and olive oil? |
| 22:13.46 | NeoTron | napalm and teargas are good |
| 22:13.54 | endr | NeoTron: what's snails? |
| 22:13.55 | NeoTron | nuke air strike is the most damaging one |
| 22:14.02 | NeoTron | endr: http://eongames.com/games/snails/ |
| 22:14.10 | NeoTron | no garlic or olive oil tho. :P |
| 22:14.30 | endr | NeoTron: sure |
| 22:14.33 | dmalloc | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=271 <-- whoha killer app |
| 22:14.41 | NeoTron | endr: is your pda networked? |
| 22:14.47 | endr | NeoTron: yup |
| 22:14.56 | NeoTron | ok! |
| 22:15.01 | endr | NeoTron: cool |
| 22:15.14 | yeiazel | dmalloc: I'd really like to be able to have the wlan and a gps card together in the z :) |
| 22:15.46 | dmalloc | yeiazel oh yaaaa that would rock.. are there GPS CF cards that work with OZ ? |
| 22:16.46 | JasonNJ | yes but they all suck |
| 22:17.01 | dmalloc | I wonder if there is a CF serial card then I could use my old garmin |
| 22:17.17 | JasonNJ | theres a CF serial |
| 22:17.18 | JasonNJ | socket |
| 22:17.26 | yeiazel | JasonNJ: they all suck ? why ? |
| 22:17.28 | JasonNJ | that works with the Z |
| 22:17.30 | DocWhat | The Rino is pretty cool. Combined FRS radio and GPS. |
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| 22:17.39 | JasonNJ | yei: bad construction, antennae too large |
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| 22:17.47 | dmalloc | yeiazel: actually with GPS I would rather have an external GPS fgor power and antenna reasons |
| 22:18.03 | dmalloc | the wlan card alone seems to sucvk a lot of power |
| 22:18.07 | DocWhat | yeiazel: GPS needs a decent power and a good antenna. It's hard to balance that against the size and power contstrants of a CF card. |
| 22:18.37 | yeiazel | DocWhat: the same as wlan, for the power |
| 22:18.59 | yeiazel | JasonNJ: oh, but no problem regarding drivers, software ? |
| 22:19.09 | JasonNJ | no problem |
| 22:19.19 | DocWhat | yeiazel: It's not quite the same. WLAN is only pulling in a signal from 200+ft, not from geosyncronis orbit. |
| 22:19.22 | yeiazel | is there another way to acquire gps data with the Z ? |
| 22:19.26 | DocWhat | :-) |
| 22:19.29 | yeiazel | DocWhat: yes... :) |
| 22:19.32 | dmalloc | yeiazel as soon as the serial port is there as interface the software just opens the serial port and reads NMEA protocol |
| 22:19.43 | yeiazel | dmalloc: okay |
| 22:20.00 | JasonNJ | the socket serial card isnt cheap though |
| 22:20.02 | chouimat | kergoth: did you read pnis email? |
| 22:20.12 | dmalloc | which is pretty straight forward actually |
| 22:20.19 | DocWhat | yeiazel: Actually, the biggest power drain isn't distinguishing the signal, but parsing it out. The descriminator has to be able to handle at least 4 simultaneous connections. Ideally, 12. |
| 22:20.45 | DocWhat | That's essentially a minature processor that's doing a lot of processing. |
| 22:21.05 | dmalloc | not to mentionw hat it does when you use WAASP |
| 22:21.10 | dmalloc | that is a lot of calculus;) |
| 22:21.17 | JasonNJ | http://www.socketcom.com/product/SL2703-138.asp |
| 22:21.48 | DocWhat | Theoretically, a WLAN card *could* be built with an analog circuit (with a digital control) that would really low power, but it requires some precise circuit builting and probably a big antenna. :-/ |
| 22:22.23 | JasonNJ | $170 for that friggin serial card |
| 22:22.30 | dmalloc | hehe this is cute : http://www.socketcom.com/product/gps.asp |
| 22:22.34 | chouimat | JasonNJ: huh? |
| 22:22.37 | DocWhat | I have found that radio geeks who engineer things like WLAN cards for laptops aren't willing to try the simpler and older technology. :-) |
| 22:22.41 | JasonNJ | http://www.esend.com/socket/product.asp?sku=SL2703%2D138&mscssid=X015FX3933F99PM474MGLT19VNJC660B |
| 22:24.29 | JasonNJ | http://www.socketcom.com/ZaurusSharp.asp |
| 22:24.31 | _Psycho | couples of thing i have to learn from that buildroot thingie |
| 22:24.34 | JasonNJ | socket is so full of shit |
| 22:24.51 | JasonNJ | their wireless lan card does NOT work with the built in rom drivers |
| 22:25.01 | JasonNJ | only on OZ does it work without adding software |
| 22:25.08 | _Psycho | kergoth i need QT devel for buildroot build ? |
| 22:25.23 | JasonNJ | it works on the 5600, but not on the 5500 without a driver |
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| 22:29.33 | _Psycho | already ordered the pizza ! |
| 22:29.56 | kergoth | _Psycho: it builds everything. |
| 22:30.00 | chayim | chouimat: why wonder when there's poutine? |
| 22:30.01 | kergoth | _Psycho: all you need is a crosscompiler |
| 22:30.08 | _Psycho | yeah doing it atm |
| 22:30.12 | _Psycho | look to work fine so far |
| 22:30.29 | chouimat | chayim: because I spend the last week eating poutine :) |
| 22:30.31 | chayim | kergoth: wanted to thank you for the serial irda support. palmtop keyboard w/ the z = awesome |
| 22:30.41 | _Psycho | couples of thing i need to udnerstand thought kinda confused atm |
| 22:30.48 | chayim | chouimat: ouch... then you have to have pizza.. it's not even an option =) |
| 22:31.02 | DocWhat | chayim: Which palmtop keyboard works with the z? |
| 22:31.04 | kergoth | chayim: not a problem :) too bad beaming is broken.. though it turned out to be an unrelated problem |
| 22:31.21 | chouimat | chayim: hehe |
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| 22:31.30 | chayim | kergoth: didn't know, and here I was going to play later today. |
| 22:31.40 | chayim | DocWhat: sorry, I mean pocketop |
| 22:31.57 | DocWhat | chayim: Still, which one? I didn't know any external keyboards worked. |
| 22:31.57 | kergoth | chayim: if you need to beam, unload the usbd modules |
| 22:32.08 | chayim | kergoth: thanks for the tip. |
| 22:32.09 | kergoth | chayim: our numerous drivers end up requesting 7 dma channels when only 6 are available |
| 22:32.12 | kergoth | chayim: hehe |
| 22:32.16 | chayim | DocWhat: www.pocketop.com, they have only one kb. |
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| 22:32.22 | chayim | it's the shiznast =) |
| 22:32.33 | chayim | kergoth: ha! |
| 22:34.03 | TheMasterMind1 | pocketop.net |
| 22:34.05 | chayim | simpsons has the st. paddy's day episode on in toronto. |
| 22:35.05 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim: you're using the pocketop with IRK? |
| 22:35.10 | DocWhat | chayim: Hmm...I don't see that site... |
| 22:35.19 | chayim | TheMasterMind1: yeah, irk 0.9.2 running openzaurus. pretty damned cool. |
| 22:35.21 | DocWhat | .net? |
| 22:35.30 | chayim | used it to type a doc in hancommobileword. |
| 22:35.46 | chouimat | anyone managed to get that working with the webpal keybord? |
| 22:35.50 | DocWhat | chayim: Wow, that looks neat. It uses irda? |
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| 22:36.06 | TheMasterMind1 | chayim: so do you have to hold your Z sideways or does the ir work fine without having to turn stuff at weird angles |
| 22:36.10 | chayim | DocWhat: yup... the range isn't so hot,. but the joys of a kitkat wrapper help you get the angle you want. |
| 22:36.22 | DocWhat | chayim: kitkat wrapper? |
| 22:36.23 | chayim | TheMasterMind1: see the last post (but I use rotate with some apps) |
| 22:36.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kitkat wrapper..? |
| 22:36.40 | chayim | DocWhat: from the chocolate bar. I use one to reflect the signal =) |
| 22:36.45 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 22:36.56 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:37.00 | DocWhat | chayim: You have a photo of this hack? |
| 22:37.02 | chayim | TheMasterMind1: I saw it online and had to try it. can't claim to be that brilliant. |
| 22:37.10 | chayim | DocWhat: hold on.. I'll track it down. |
| 22:37.10 | bobstay | is there a way of stopping oz3.1-rc3 from trying (and failing) to load the irda kernel module every 3 seconds? |
| 22:37.11 | DocWhat | For $99, it's a little pricey... |
| 22:37.36 | kergoth | bobstay: uninstall the opie irda applet? |
| 22:37.37 | chayim | DocWhat: I find it well worth it, especially since I'm not limited to a specific pda anymore |
| 22:37.41 | kergoth | bobstay: dunno |
| 22:38.30 | chayim | DocWhat: can't find a pic... I'll see if I can get some time later today to take one. |
| 22:38.56 | _Psycho | build worked fine, after my make, ker, but hmmm where is the result ? :) |
| 22:39.04 | kergoth | _Psycho: output/ipks/? |
| 22:39.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:39.38 | _Psycho | ok was mt probably i didnt selected any packages or something |
| 22:41.19 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 22:41.21 | TheMasterMind1 | gotta reboot into windows |
| 22:41.29 | TheMasterMind1 | update flash on these wifi cards and see if that fixes my problems |
| 22:41.29 | chayim | TheMasterMind1: why? |
| 22:42.06 | DocWhat | kergoth: Ooooh....I don't have to build the kernel anymore. :-) |
| 22:42.07 | TheMasterMind1 | because they're not working |
| 22:42.29 | chayim | TheMasterMind1: I hear you... sorry, I wasn't hear before. |
| 22:43.10 | kergoth | DocWhat: :) we have a seperate set of headers for the glibc build now |
| 22:43.20 | DocWhat | chayim: Can you do the screen rotation now? |
| 22:43.25 | DocWhat | kergoth: Goody. |
| 22:43.33 | DocWhat | chayim: for the pocketop? |
| 22:43.45 | DocWhat | Anyone want boa for OZ? |
| 22:43.56 | chayim | DocWhat: I use the build in OZ rotation tools to do that. |
| 22:44.26 | DocWhat | chayim: It works with the keyboard? Do you still need the wrapper? Can you "clip" it like the site shows? |
| 22:45.10 | bobstay | also, what happened to xmms? it's no longer in the feed. Is there a reason for that? |
| 22:45.36 | DocWhat | Hey, yea, where is xmms? |
| 22:45.51 | kergoth | the reason is,. i forgot to enable it when updating the feed |
| 22:45.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:46.07 | chayim | DocWhat: sorry, no clip. |
| 22:46.09 | DocWhat | kergoth: Should I set "defaults" for things like less, etc. to 'y'? |
| 22:46.21 | DocWhat | Things that should be built for the feed? |
| 22:46.31 | DocWhat | Or will you do that, or what? |
| 22:46.37 | DocWhat | Like vim, for example... |
| 22:46.55 | chouimat | kergoth: ping |
| 22:47.10 | chayim | DocWhat: has anyone built vim yet? I was going to run it through my cross compiler tomorrow, but if someone's already done it I can not bother. |
| 22:47.16 | DocWhat | chayim: I did it. |
| 22:47.17 | dmalloc | DocWhat: what is boa ? ;) httpd server `? |
| 22:47.23 | DocWhat | dmalloc: yes. |
| 22:47.27 | chayim | DocWhat: can you point me to an ipk? |
| 22:47.32 | chouimat | http://www.shadowflux.com/xbox.html <---- coool :) |
| 22:47.44 | DocWhat | Boa is at http://boa.org/ |
| 22:47.58 | DocWhat | chayim: I can send you mine, if you want. |
| 22:48.06 | DocWhat | Otherwise, the source is in the feed. |
| 22:48.11 | DocWhat | not feed, buildroot. |
| 22:48.12 | DocWhat | sorry. |
| 22:48.38 | DocWhat | chayim: vim, vim-rt, vim-syntax-min, vim-syntax-full, vim-doc and vim-tiny. |
| 22:48.50 | dmalloc | chouimat: how silly :P |
| 22:49.09 | chouimat | dmalloc: hehe .... |
| 22:49.18 | chayim | DocWhat: thanks.. I'll look in a bit. |
| 22:50.12 | DocWhat | chayim: Good, because I accidentally wiped my ipks just now. :-) |
| 22:51.18 | DocWhat | chouimat: That's a silly thing to do. As much as I approve of making MS loose money, it's not worth it. I have finally removed all MS stuff from my apartment (accept a copy on my wife's dual boot machine. She doesn't use it, but *just in case*.) |
| 22:51.40 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:51.52 | kergoth | this makedevs utility consistantly segfaults when built with gcc3 |
| 22:51.54 | DocWhat | chouimat: Of course, I still have the box for my Microsoft Integer Basic Card for my Apple ][+ someplace... |
| 22:52.15 | DocWhat | kergoth: Don't we have gdb for the Z? |
| 22:52.49 | DocWhat | yeiazel: Technically, I have like 10... I worked at TurboLinux, and every f*cking computer we bought came with MS. They gave them away. |
| 22:52.57 | yeiazel | DocWhat: hehe :) |
| 22:53.23 | chayim | DocWhat: turbolinux... tres cool. |
| 22:53.25 | DocWhat | TurboLinux probably had enough MS licenses to buy several high end laptops, :-/ |
| 22:53.26 | kergoth | DocWhat: eh? yes, and i'm using it |
| 22:53.36 | chouimat | DocWhat: I will use some PS2 instead |
| 22:53.41 | kergoth | DocWhat: but i dont have pcmcia up in my Z, so I'm stuck reflashing every time i change it |
| 22:53.41 | DocWhat | kergoth: Goody, you'll have it fixed in no time. |
| 22:53.54 | DocWhat | kergoth: Ew. |
| 22:53.56 | kergoth | cant bring pcmcia up, because /dev isnt populated, because makedevs is borked :) |
| 22:54.28 | DocWhat | chayim: TurboLinux was cool, but about the time they changed their name from Pacific High Tech (and released 6.0), their management went to shit. |
| 22:54.29 | ljp | hhmmmm |
| 22:54.47 | chayim | DocWhat: sorry to hear that... I've been through that a few times =( |
| 22:55.03 | DocWhat | At the time they let me go, they had about 5% engineering staff, the rest was VPs, marketing and sales. |
| 22:55.10 | DocWhat | out of 200 us staff. |
| 22:55.29 | DocWhat | They let me go (the guy who did the most work on the base distro) because they thought I "only copied cds". |
| 22:55.44 | kergoth | eh |
| 22:55.48 | kergoth | that sucks. |
| 22:55.53 | chayim | DocWhat: hah! that's sad b/c the place I work thinks that cm work is basically typing make and copying cds. |
| 22:56.13 | chouimat | cm? |
| 22:56.20 | DocWhat | We were a week from releasing a pretty big update when they let me go. It took them 6 months to come out with a crap update with only a fraction of the stuff I was working on. :-) |
| 22:56.26 | chayim | cm = configuration management a.k.a build b*tch |
| 22:56.36 | chayim | DocWhat: don't you have that? |
| 22:56.44 | DocWhat | It was a good thing, I got out of a sinking ship. :-) |
| 22:56.51 | DocWhat | chayim: Have what... |
| 22:56.57 | chayim | DocWhat: meant to write hate. |
| 22:57.03 | DocWhat | oh. yeas. |
| 22:57.11 | chouimat | chayim: ok ... R&D and network management is borring too |
| 22:57.11 | DocWhat | I meant to write "yes". :-) |
| 22:57.30 | chayim | chouimat: been there already. figured I'd try CM for a while.. it's loads of fun! |
| 22:57.38 | chayim | DocWhat: he he he |
| 22:57.53 | kergoth | I need to get out of technical support |
| 22:57.56 | kergoth | before I go postal |
| 22:58.14 | chayim | kergoth: read userfriendly recently? |
| 22:58.18 | dmalloc | that is one job I would not bestow upon my most hated enemy |
| 22:58.19 | kergoth | not in quite some time |
| 22:58.20 | chayim | greg went postal for a bit. |
| 22:58.22 | chouimat | kergoth: been there already |
| 22:58.28 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:58.38 | kergoth | I loved the sequence when he starts hanging out with the Vets |
| 22:58.46 | kergoth | talkin bout the support frontline |
| 22:59.18 | chayim | kergoth: it starts here http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030127 |
| 22:59.27 | kergoth | DocWhat: you know, flashing and reflashing repeatedly is a bigger pain with 1) 24 meg images, and 2) usb-storage crashing my box regularly |
| 22:59.43 | DocWhat | kergoth: Hmm....that would make it harder... |
| 22:59.56 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:01.54 | chayim | back in an hour or so) |
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| 23:03.14 | kergoth | and usb-storage kicks my ass once again |
| 23:03.17 | kergoth | bewm bewm |
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| 23:03.28 | DocWhat | bewm? |
| 23:03.35 | kergoth | boom |
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| 23:03.40 | kergoth | explosion |
| 23:03.42 | kergoth | bad thing |
| 23:03.49 | ljp | dont you know karate? |
| 23:04.06 | ljp | throw some knifes at it |
| 23:04.08 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:04.27 | ljp | usb-storage |
| 23:04.59 | DocWhat | fishslap usb-storage |
| 23:05.15 | DocWhat | ~fishslap usb-storage |
| 23:05.17 | | ACTION slaps usb-storage up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:05.57 | Twiun | time for bed... g'night folks |
| 23:06.22 | kergoth | night twiun |
| 23:06.26 | ljp | nitey nite. dont let the bed bugs bite |
| 23:06.44 | ljp | and watch out for all the dust mites |
| 23:16.30 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth |
| 23:17.14 | kergoth | fuck me |
| 23:17.16 | kergoth | damnit |
| 23:17.21 | kergoth | i accidentally wiped the wrong tree |
| 23:17.22 | ljp | no |
| 23:17.22 | Com[Plex] | what package should I install from the feed to fix the path issue? or is tehre one? |
| 23:17.32 | Com[Plex] | doh |
| 23:17.44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: opie-taskbar once unstable gets updated |
| 23:17.52 | kergoth | i just lost my module_raw support for tslib |
| 23:18.29 | ljp | alias rm='rm -i' |
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| 23:20.29 | Com[Plex] | okay.. |
| 23:21.21 | Com[Plex] | another question, - using opera in rc3.1, works okay, but the icon wont appear in the tray. - I cant figure out why not. |
| 23:24.22 | chouimat | ;) |
| 23:24.24 | _Psycho | kergoth what tree ? the one i just downloaded ? |
| 23:24.28 | _Psycho | or it was local ? |
| 23:24.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:24.37 | kergoth | I lost local changes to the tslib source |
| 23:24.42 | _Psycho | doh |
| 23:24.57 | kergoth | since we dont store sources in bk, it wasnt in any repository |
| 23:24.58 | kergoth | :\ |
| 23:24.59 | kergoth | ah well |
| 23:25.22 | _Psycho | oh didnt knew that part, where are source stored then ^ |
| 23:25.22 | _Psycho | ? |
| 23:25.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:25.54 | _Psycho | if its not in bk ? |
| 23:25.55 | kergoth | buildroot obtains sources from upstream |
| 23:26.02 | kergoth | you cant see it using wget? |
| 23:26.03 | gaurdian | kergoth , what benefit (if any) is there to fdisking a SD card to ext2 in the sharp rom ? |
| 23:26.08 | _Psycho | isee it |
| 23:26.08 | kergoth | or cvs or what have you? |
| 23:26.11 | kergoth | okay then. |
| 23:26.18 | kergoth | it gets the sources from upstream. |
| 23:26.22 | kergoth | patches them, and does things with them |
| 23:26.25 | _Psycho | i mean lets say you edit tslib.c ? where do you put it "after" ? |
| 23:26.30 | kergoth | huh? |
| 23:26.36 | kergoth | i edit it in build/tslib |
| 23:26.38 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:26.40 | kergoth | make mrproper |
| 23:26.42 | kergoth | ta da |
| 23:26.44 | kergoth | bye bye tslib |
| 23:26.48 | Com[Plex] | *sigh*. I am constantly plagued with problems with vnc. |
| 23:27.06 | _Psycho | <- confuse, i check the build thing :) |
| 23:28.01 | _Psycho | still building ipks stuff too kinda long |
| 23:28.10 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:28.12 | kergoth | it doesnt just build ipks |
| 23:28.22 | kergoth | it downloads sources, patches them, compiles them, and packages them |
| 23:28.25 | kergoth | of course that takes time |
| 23:28.32 | kergoth | compilation usually does. |
| 23:28.41 | _Psycho | yeah i see that |
| 23:29.17 | kergoth | goddamnit, having to reflash to test is annoying. I should build a native arm gcc ipk |
| 23:29.25 | kergoth | then i could just do it locally |
| 23:30.54 | mickeyll | arm-gcc 2.94 in buildroot does not compile here. |
| 23:31.00 | mickeyll | tried it today. |
| 23:31.03 | _Psycho | same |
| 23:31.11 | _Psycho | was not sure if it was me ;) so i removed it |
| 23:31.38 | mickeyll | something 'bout "clean is not a valid target" in binary stage |
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| 23:33.34 | ljp | there needs to be 3 days in a weekend |
| 23:35.13 | chouimat | kergoth_: again? |
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| 23:37.19 | DocWhat | kergoth_: Any ideas what the default SERVER_ROOT for boa should be? |
| 23:37.37 | DocWhat | I'm tempted just to make it /root/html or something. |
| 23:37.56 | DocWhat | Debian makes it /var/www, redhat /home/httpd |
| 23:38.00 | chouimat | DocWhat: /usr/local :) |
| 23:38.13 | chouimat | DocWhat: /usr/local/www :) |
| 23:38.17 | DocWhat | chouimat: You mean /usr/local/httpd or something, right? |
| 23:38.18 | DocWhat | yeah |
| 23:38.29 | DocWhat | It's only the default, it can be changed. |
| 23:38.34 | kergoth_ | DocWhat: I'd say /var/www. |
| 23:38.41 | kergoth_ | DocWhat: we follow debian conventions otherwise |
| 23:38.54 | DocWhat | Really? True. We have a /var/ now that is seperate. |
| 23:39.09 | *** part/#openembedded bobstay (matthew@mainmast.joh.cam.ac.uk) |
| 23:39.20 | kergoth_ | oh, right |
| 23:39.23 | kergoth_ | stupid ramdisk |
| 23:39.25 | kergoth_ | hmm |
| 23:39.31 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 23:39.38 | DocWhat | It's not a bad *default*, even with the ramdisk. |
| 23:39.53 | chouimat | wooohooo imageBoot + dcc rocks :) |
| 23:40.05 | kergoth_ | yeah, force the user to change it if they want the data to be persistant |
| 23:40.06 | chouimat | s/dcc/distcc |
| 23:40.41 | kergoth_ | copying image to cf card agian.. crossing fingers |
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| 23:41.15 | chouimat | kergoth_: so far so good :) |
| 23:41.16 | ljp | uhhhhh |
| 23:41.19 | kergoth_ | done |
| 23:41.20 | kergoth_ | whew |
| 23:46.18 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:47.58 | chouimat|grocery | brb |
| 23:48.42 | DocWhat | kergoth_: Re mime types... is there a reason there isn't a symlink between /opt/QtPalmtop/etc/mime.types and /etc ? |
| 23:48.47 | ljp | bring back some coffee! |
| 23:48.59 | DocWhat | or mime.types being in a standard package? |
| 23:49.04 | DocWhat | or base package? |
| 23:49.21 | kergoth_ | DocWhat: are their formats the same? |
| 23:49.28 | kergoth_ | if so i see no reason why opie doesnt use the base one |
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| 23:50.14 | yeiazel | mh... I'm having opie getting stylus events, and the console getting keyboard events |
| 23:50.34 | kergoth_ | that seems to happen when you start opie via its startup script from the console |
| 23:50.36 | yeiazel | some crappy mix between the console and opie |
| 23:50.39 | DocWhat | kergoth_: There is no base one. And while the opie one is badly formatted, it appears to be the same. |
| 23:50.42 | yeiazel | kergoth_: ok |
| 23:50.54 | kergoth_ | DocWhat: k. |
| 23:51.04 | yeiazel | kergoth_: how can I start it without rebooting the Z ? |
| 23:51.20 | DocWhat | Should I: a) enter a bug, b) put the deb one in a base packge, c) none of the above. |
| 23:51.36 | DocWhat | boa wants a mime.types file, you see... |
| 23:51.38 | kergoth_ | DocWhat: in debian, they have the mime-support package |
| 23:51.42 | kergoth_ | we should add that to buildroot |
| 23:51.48 | kergoth_ | and open a bug with opie to get them to use it |
| 23:51.56 | DocWhat | kergoth_: what package should it go in? |
| 23:51.57 | ljp | bah |
| 23:51.57 | kergoth_ | but, we'll also want to talk to the familiar folks |
| 23:52.01 | kergoth_ | it should go in mime-support. |
| 23:52.03 | kergoth_ | same as debian |
| 23:52.06 | DocWhat | oh |
| 23:52.11 | kergoth_ | then both opie and boa Depends: mime-support |
| 23:52.13 | kergoth_ | and life is good |
| 23:52.25 | kergoth_ | in theory ;) |
| 23:52.50 | DocWhat | kergoth_: Most of mime support is stuff we don't need...:-/ |
| 23:53.10 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 23:53.17 | kergoth_ | so, our mime-support will be minimal compared to debians |
| 23:53.20 | DocWhat | Well, it's not a lot, anyway. |
| 23:53.21 | kergoth_ | thats true of every package we have |
| 23:53.25 | DocWhat | true true. |
| 23:53.27 | kergoth_ | we follow debian conventions, but adapt to embedded use |
| 23:53.29 | kergoth_ | its what we do |
| 23:53.30 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 23:54.29 | ljp | use opies mime.types |
| 23:55.50 | ljp | opie schmopie |
| 23:56.25 | ljp | cant wait to drive my van around again |
| 23:57.40 | ljp | lots of sex memories in that van |
