| 00:00.21 | kergoth | lets see, popupmenu failed too |
| 00:01.03 | mickeyl | hmm... my diff doesn't show changes in qpopupmenu.* |
| 00:01.09 | mickeyl | between beta5 and final |
| 00:01.37 | kergoth | no, its in qapplication_qws.cpp |
| 00:01.43 | mickeyl | ah ok |
| 00:01.51 | kergoth | in the QETWidget::dispatchMouseEvent function |
| 00:02.51 | mickeyl | pretty much differences there... they actually revised this. wow |
| 00:03.01 | kergoth | lots of changes there eh? |
| 00:03.39 | kergoth | question is, does the bug still exist. do we need && !popup->alloc_region.contains(dp) |
| 00:04.16 | boo1 | god damnit |
| 00:04.19 | boo1 | im a fucking idiot |
| 00:04.32 | boo1 | windows cuts off file extensions |
| 00:04.42 | kergoth | by default.. |
| 00:04.44 | boo1 | i didnt see that zImage by default is a .bin |
| 00:04.45 | kergoth | not on any of my windows boxes |
| 00:04.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:04.53 | boo1 | (this isnt my computer), its my parents |
| 00:04.56 | kergoth | it hides associated extensions |
| 00:05.05 | boo1 | they have a cf reader, i run slackware 8.1 on mine |
| 00:05.27 | boo1 | thanks for your help though, i appriciate it. |
| 00:05.30 | kergoth | np |
| 00:05.47 | boo1 | im really not as stupid as i seem, believe me. |
| 00:05.48 | mickeyl | kergoth: looks to me that they did take care of the popupmenu patch. leave it out for a while. |
| 00:06.16 | mickeyl | we should ask sandman though. |
| 00:06.22 | kergoth | k |
| 00:06.46 | mickeyl | bed time now. |
| 00:06.49 | mickeyl | n8 |
| 00:06.49 | mickeyl | all |
| 00:06.52 | kergoth | night |
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| 00:08.37 | _Psycho | whats up ? |
| 00:09.19 | boo1 | kergoth, for oz is it necessary for kismet support to use the kismet with pcap support client? |
| 00:09.47 | kergoth | yes, ksimet in oz needs to use pcap |
| 00:11.23 | boo1 | is there required libraries that i should have before i install it? ive had some difficultly getting it to work |
| 00:12.28 | kergoth | it will not work in rc2 |
| 00:12.36 | kergoth | due to us using a too recent version of hostap |
| 00:12.50 | kergoth | which requires a newer version of wireless-tools, and therefore a newer version of wireless exensions, which we dont have in 2.4.6 |
| 00:14.11 | boo1 | if i was using rc2 and downloaded newer versions of wireless tools and extentions, could it theoretically work? |
| 00:14.16 | kergoth | um |
| 00:14.23 | kergoth | wireless extensions is an API in the linux kernel |
| 00:14.27 | kergoth | 2.4.6 uses an ancient WE |
| 00:14.37 | kergoth | i.e. you're fucked, you can backrev hostap-modules. thats the only solution. |
| 00:14.42 | kergoth | which is what we did for rc3 |
| 00:15.05 | boo1 | yeah i was wondering if it would be possible to load as a module. |
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| 00:15.16 | kergoth | no, WE is not loadable as a module |
| 00:15.24 | kergoth | and new WE wouldnt work in htis ancient kernel anyway |
| 00:15.24 | boo1 | oh |
| 00:15.27 | kergoth | its not even worth bothering with. |
| 00:15.34 | kergoth | _Psycho: wb |
| 00:15.35 | boo1 | all right |
| 00:15.46 | _Psycho | thanks :) pc was weird and slow |
| 00:16.04 | _Psycho | I checked for a c700 case today |
| 00:16.07 | _Psycho | saw nothing at all |
| 00:17.10 | kenb | a c700 case? |
| 00:17.15 | kenb | dynamism has one.. |
| 00:17.29 | kergoth | I still want a nice metal case |
| 00:17.30 | _Psycho | yeah no picture |
| 00:17.34 | kergoth | with an etched pingizauru on the front |
| 00:17.34 | kergoth | :D |
| 00:17.42 | _Psycho | same ker, i saw some leather one but nothing that looked usefull |
| 00:17.48 | boo1 | kergoth, when youre talking about rc3 is that 3.0 or 3.1 rc3 |
| 00:17.49 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 00:17.58 | kergoth | boo1: rc3 is a release candidate. |
| 00:18.01 | kergoth | boo1: thats what rc means. |
| 00:18.06 | kergoth | boo1: 3.0 was a release, not a release candidate |
| 00:18.42 | boo1 | allright, im guessing then rc3 isnt publicly available yet? |
| 00:18.49 | kergoth | right |
| 00:18.59 | boo1 | allright. |
| 00:19.00 | kergoth | it'll be released as soon as docwhat pushes the samba server and i test it |
| 00:19.46 | _Psycho | hmm dynamism case doesnt look too bad |
| 00:19.59 | _Psycho | but just 1 picture closed :/ |
| 00:20.57 | _Psycho | btw ker, did a couple of more irssi test, nothing to do ;) the thing is lost forever ! |
| 00:21.11 | kergoth | _Psycho: weird. |
| 00:21.18 | kergoth | _Psycho: i'll see what i can come up with |
| 00:21.37 | _Psycho | hehe tried without net, and chaging the staturbar and some random stuff, but anyway its no big dea at all |
| 00:21.40 | _Psycho | dont lose time on that thing |
| 00:21.47 | _Psycho | might be the same keyboard bug thought who knwo |
| 00:21.47 | kenb | no |
| 00:23.03 | kergoth | no what? |
| 00:23.36 | kergoth | _Psycho: the hang is pissing me off, and interferes with testing. having to reboot continually is driving me nuts |
| 00:23.40 | kergoth | _Psycho: so i'll look into it :) |
| 00:23.49 | _Psycho | hehehe i know it piss me off too |
| 00:23.52 | _Psycho | so is the ctrl+C |
| 00:23.55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:23.57 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 00:24.08 | kergoth | we could fix the ctrl+c pretty easy probably |
| 00:24.11 | boo1 | whats advantagous of using the 2.4.6 kernel over a newer one like 2.4.18 or 20, is it lower memory usage or something, or just the fact that it takes a long time to get it working correctly? |
| 00:24.14 | kergoth | change the kernel keymap |
| 00:24.17 | kergoth | boo1: huh? |
| 00:24.23 | kergoth | boo1: nobody said there was an advantage. |
| 00:24.27 | _Psycho | yeah or bind it to another key or something no idea but probably |
| 00:24.28 | kergoth | boo1: we're using it because we must. |
| 00:24.39 | boo1 | why 2.4.6 then? |
| 00:24.45 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 00:24.47 | kergoth | stupid motherfuckers |
| 00:24.53 | kergoth | we're using 2.4.6 because thats the kernel sharp released. |
| 00:25.15 | kergoth | myself and a couple others forward ported the necessary bits to 2.4.19 |
| 00:25.21 | kergoth | adn rewrote 90% of hte drivers in the process |
| 00:25.24 | kergoth | cause they blew goats |
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| 00:25.34 | kergoth | but SD wont work in 2.4.19 due to block layer changes |
| 00:25.44 | kergoth | so we wont be using it until thats resolved. |
| 00:28.06 | boo1 | oh, ok. |
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| 00:30.56 | boo1 | kergoth, im taking off, again thanks for your help, and sorry for being annoying |
| 00:31.02 | kergoth | later |
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| 00:33.01 | Dessimat0r | nice attitude towards the n00b there, kergoth ;) |
| 00:33.37 | Dessimat0r | *medal |
| 00:33.38 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 00:36.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:36.23 | kergoth | i've had a _really_ long day |
| 00:36.32 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 00:36.40 | kergoth | i could use a stiff drink and a woman, and a punching bag |
| 00:36.42 | kergoth | not in that order |
| 00:36.47 | Dessimat0r | heh |
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| 00:47.05 | Dessimat0r | hopefully, this kernel compilation will work, without the Alan Cocks patches |
| 00:47.11 | Dessimat0r | oops, Cox ;) |
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| 01:00.14 | kergoth`bbl | BSDGuy: openembedded.org. read up |
| 01:00.36 | kergoth`bbl | BSDGuy: its about the open embedded infrastrucutre, and that which utilizes it (though its still largely in a conceptual phase) |
| 01:01.08 | BSDGuy | So what's that mean, in non-conceptual terms? |
| 01:01.40 | Dessimat0r | fucking stuff in the development kernel that dosen't even compile |
| 01:01.49 | Dessimat0r | its a guessing game of seeing what works and what dosen't |
| 01:01.52 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:04.28 | BSDGuy | I thought it was about stuff like SBC's and free OS's for them. |
| 01:11.40 | kenb | it is. |
| 01:11.52 | kenb | any embedded device, really... |
| 01:12.03 | kenb | tho it's currently limited to linux-based images |
| 01:12.21 | treke|home | Dessimat0r: thats why it's called a development kernel |
| 01:18.11 | Dessimat0r | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `vmlinux', needed by `arch/i386/boot/compressed/vmlinux.bin'. Stop. make[1]: *** [arch/i386/boot/compressed/vmlinux] Error 2 |
| 01:18.17 | Dessimat0r | what does this mean? ;) |
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| 01:25.56 | Dessimat0r | gah! it was THAT close to makign a bzImage |
| 01:26.01 | Dessimat0r | *making |
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| 01:29.46 | Dessimat0r | i wonder... |
| 01:41.13 | kenb | fyi: the serialio.com ZThinUSB Cable kicks serious ass. |
| 01:41.26 | ljp | :) |
| 01:41.27 | kenb | Sharp should be beaten for not inventing it first. |
| 01:41.35 | ljp | yep |
| 01:42.46 | MSpin | when is sharp gonna have a PDA with built in wireless?:) hehe |
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| 01:44.05 | ljp | never |
| 01:44.32 | MSpin | bastards |
| 01:44.34 | MSpin | heh |
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| 01:49.42 | ljp | oh, I was going to work on web pages tonight |
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| 02:09.05 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:09.20 | treke|home | god I fucking hate political discussions |
| 02:09.34 | ljp | so dont |
| 02:09.35 | treke|home | particularly when fucking morons like Neo get involved |
| 02:09.51 | ljp | hmm. where at? |
| 02:19.56 | effy | who is Neo? hehe |
| 02:20.09 | treke|home | 2 7eh? |
| 02:20.14 | treke|home | oh rong channel |
| 02:20.33 | effy | LOL |
| 02:21.55 | Shdwdrgn | we STILL want to know who Neo is <grin> |
| 02:25.43 | effy | hehe |
| 02:25.51 | effy | man, what is this "ctrl-L" stuff? |
| 02:25.58 | effy | seems to make a book mark or something |
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| 02:46.13 | _Psycho | do anything new tonight ? |
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| 02:59.00 | kenb | !summon letoams |
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| 03:36.14 | effy | god, these people at these "peace" rallies are truly pitiful fucks |
| 03:51.44 | kenb | hm |
| 03:51.53 | kenb | anyone remember the command to start opie manually? |
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| 04:27.36 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 04:31.32 | treke|home | sup |
| 04:32.35 | JasonNJ | been sick for 2 days. food poisoning. bad shit. |
| 04:32.37 | JasonNJ | literally. |
| 04:33.11 | JasonNJ | would not wish it on my worsy enemy |
| 04:33.54 | treke|home | well maybe your worst enemy |
| 04:34.03 | JasonNJ | maybe |
| 04:34.24 | JasonNJ | but 24 hours straight of diahhrea and feeling like you've had the worst flu ever is pretty nasty |
| 04:34.29 | JasonNJ | i mean I could barley walk |
| 04:34.42 | treke|home | you just want your ass to fall off |
| 04:35.35 | JasonNJ | lol, yeah |
| 04:36.03 | JasonNJ | all you can do is lie in bed, then get up to go shoot liquid out your ass |
| 04:36.23 | JasonNJ | and you get totally dehydrated and weak |
| 04:36.44 | treke|home | JasonNJ: I prefer to just wait on the toilet |
| 04:37.20 | JasonNJ | yeah I know, I did a lot of that |
| 04:37.39 | JasonNJ | whats worst is you think you are done, and then you try to get up, and then theres MORE |
| 04:38.09 | treke|home | yup |
| 04:38.25 | treke|home | particularly bad at night when you arent really awake enough to control the flow |
| 04:38.33 | JasonNJ | oh yeah |
| 04:39.40 | JasonNJ | all I could eat yesterday was some broth |
| 04:39.52 | JasonNJ | today I graduated to steamed rice |
| 04:40.09 | JasonNJ | we found out what did it to me |
| 04:40.27 | JasonNJ | my wife served me a supermarket-made knish that was 4 weeks expired |
| 04:40.36 | treke|home | oops |
| 04:41.11 | JasonNJ | yeah potatoes are bad for attracting and making microbes |
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| 08:15.53 | lsmith | gnarf |
| 08:15.56 | lsmith | reinstalled windows |
| 08:16.07 | lsmith | now i need to setup the usb connection stuff again |
| 08:16.11 | lsmith | what a hassle |
| 08:18.30 | lsmith | uhm ... why is it not automatically finding usb drivers? |
| 08:19.29 | lsmith | brb |
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| 08:32.45 | lsmith | *sigh* |
| 08:33.08 | lsmith | can anyone tell me how to get the zaurus installed as a usb device on win2k? |
| 08:33.28 | lsmith | i cant find any drivers on the web |
| 08:45.20 | lsmith | and i dont have the install cd here |
| 08:53.22 | Piete | dunno how on windows, it works nice on Gentoo though.... |
| 08:54.59 | lsmith | just need the windows driver .. but a friend is sending it to me |
| 08:55.16 | lsmith | dunno why they dont have the driver on their website among the other downloads |
| 08:56.48 | troffasky | can you not download the contents of the CD off the sharp site? |
| 08:59.51 | lsmith | i am downloading a huge package from myzaurus |
| 08:59.59 | lsmith | didnt find anything on the german site |
| 09:00.07 | lsmith | just found some mcci driver |
| 09:01.11 | troffasky | MCCI? |
| 09:01.35 | lsmith | http://www.daluan.com/html/Zaurus/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=15 |
| 09:01.40 | lsmith | no idea what the hell that is |
| 09:02.23 | troffasky | http://www.myzaurus.com/licupdatecd.asp |
| 09:02.37 | lsmith | ah yes .. that is what i am downloading too |
| 09:02.43 | lsmith | the mcci drivers seem to be working |
| 09:02.55 | lsmith | funky |
| 09:03.34 | troffasky | nope, never heard of it. "Original disk"? |
| 09:03.44 | lsmith | i havent either |
| 09:03.55 | lsmith | when you install it it sais "for evalutation only" |
| 09:04.42 | troffasky | it also says on that site `file size 160 bytes' |
| 09:05.00 | Piete | lol |
| 09:05.13 | Piete | compression technology has advanced a lot eh? |
| 09:05.14 | Piete | :P |
| 09:05.24 | troffasky | lol yeah |
| 09:05.54 | troffasky | First PDA with quantum compression ;-) |
| 09:06.35 | lsmith | hmm |
| 09:06.43 | lsmith | i will use the mcci driver for now .. lets see |
| 09:06.51 | lsmith | maybe it solves the resume-cradle bug :-)= |
| 09:13.12 | lsmith | laters |
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| 12:03.47 | Twiun | Mornin |
| 12:03.59 | Twiun | err... Afternoon even |
| 12:04.34 | Piete{afk} | hello ;) |
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| 13:35.17 | ccamp | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=1620&s=66089153c0f5f7a9aa388c6123cd8dd9 |
| 13:35.20 | ccamp | fyi |
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| 14:14.51 | apache444 | Hi guys, my cousin (noda) sent me here for help. I've got an H3650, and I want to put oz on it. Since I was already running familiar, I have the ARM bootloader installed. Can I flash oz using my flash card by clicking on Boot VFAT HDD/CF? |
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| 14:35.28 | apache444 | Hi guys, my cousin (noda) sent me here for help. I've got an H3650, and I want to put oz on it. Since I was already running familiar, I have the ARM bootloader installed. Can I flash oz using my flash card by clicking on Boot VFAT HDD/CF? |
| 14:36.46 | troffasky | anyone experienced massive [ie 15x] slowdown compared to FAT when formatting an SD card with ext2 on a zaurus |
| 14:36.47 | troffasky | ? |
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| 14:48.35 | apache444 | does anyone know how to load a boot image (familiar/oz) into an IPAQ using the flash card? |
| 14:51.38 | pb_ | For Familiar, you either do "copy hda1:image.jffs2 root" or use the builtin reflashing utility in bootldr 2.19.xx. For OZ, I'm not so sure. |
| 14:56.05 | apache444 | but how do I do a copy hda1:image.jffs root if I have no console? I think there's a way to do it without a console... |
| 14:56.52 | apache444 | Like by holding down a button or something... |
| 14:57.15 | apache444 | there's a 2.19 bootldr? argh... i guess I'll have to upgrade to that through the serial interface... |
| 14:57.57 | apache444 | Where can I get the 2.19 bootldr? The familiar.handhelds.org site is pretty out of date. |
| 14:58.06 | pb_ | handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr/ |
| 14:58.48 | apache444 | wow, cool, thanks! |
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| 15:54.51 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:55.00 | Twiun | hey chou |
| 15:55.13 | samwong | hi |
| 15:56.19 | chouimat | hi Twiun |
| 16:00.21 | ccamp | ho ho |
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| 16:20.29 | JasonNJ | ouch killefiz is down |
| 16:20.57 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 16:21.04 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 16:21.22 | Twiun | yet more work on wonka |
| 16:21.25 | Twiun | what about yourself? |
| 16:21.30 | chouimat | JasonNJ: got Moorcock's The Srayling Tree |
| 16:21.51 | chouimat | s/srayling/skrayling |
| 16:31.01 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:31.07 | troffasky | ho |
| 16:31.12 | treke | urg |
| 16:34.37 | ljp_work | grumble |
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| 16:40.54 | ljp_work | hehehe |
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| 16:42.42 | ljp_work | PicoBot: eat me |
| 16:42.43 | PicoBot | ljp_work: sorry... |
| 16:42.47 | ljp_work | bah! |
| 16:43.39 | kergoth | PicoBot: eat me is <action> pukes |
| 16:43.39 | PicoBot | OK, kergoth. |
| 16:43.53 | treke | PicoBot: blow me |
| 16:43.53 | PicoBot | treke: excuse me? |
| 16:44.39 | treke | PicoBot: you heard me |
| 16:44.39 | PicoBot | treke: excuse me? |
| 16:45.13 | kergoth | hm, should add the 2.0-pre affix to oz, wonder if its any good |
| 16:45.40 | treke | what is the difference between affix/bluez? |
| 16:45.58 | kergoth | i just package, dont own a single BT device yet |
| 16:46.06 | treke | neither do I |
| 16:46.11 | treke | and dont plan on buying any |
| 16:46.25 | treke | just trying to figure out why Harlekin is so insistant on bluez support :) |
| 16:46.27 | treke | just trying to figure out why Harlekin is so insistant on bluez support :~4) |
| 16:46.49 | chouimat | bt sucks imho |
| 16:46.51 | kergoth | cause opie's bt apps only support bluez? |
| 16:47.03 | kergoth | I think BT is extremely cool myself |
| 16:47.10 | kergoth | its the perfect medium for a personal area network |
| 16:47.33 | chouimat | kergoth: nah It's a pacemaker kiler |
| 16:47.39 | kergoth | bah |
| 16:47.47 | treke | the problem with personal area netwok is that it implies I actually want to be carrying a lot of shit around :) |
| 16:47.58 | kergoth | treke: i just want a cell and Z |
| 16:48.02 | chouimat | kergoth: too much old people near me |
| 16:48.07 | pb_ | treke: you don't have to carry it all around; your personal area might be your desk. |
| 16:48.09 | kergoth | treke: and a storage only device in a suitcase or in my cube |
| 16:48.11 | kergoth | pb_: right |
| 16:48.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:48.17 | kergoth | quite cool, really |
| 16:48.35 | kergoth | I want my PIM data to autosync when i walk within range of my desktop |
| 16:48.37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:48.50 | pb_ | or your car: you can get bluetooth handsfree kits for cellphones now. |
| 16:48.53 | chouimat | kergoth: cron is you friend :) |
| 16:49.09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:49.16 | kergoth | we need some PDA voice recognition |
| 16:50.06 | CuCullin | pb_, the batteries suck, the voice quality is sub-par, and, if you have nextel, there is no ptt |
| 16:50.44 | CuCullin | oh well, lunch time, bbl |
| 16:50.48 | pb_ | CuCullin: um, the car kits usually run off the car battery, so you have 60Ah or so of lead plus a tank of gas to keep the electronics going. |
| 16:51.08 | CuCullin | pb_, I thought you were referring to the earbuds |
| 16:51.26 | ljp_work | kergoth: talk to mandrake |
| 16:51.43 | pb_ | CuCullin: ah, no. I've never tried one of those. They look cute, but I can imagine they suck a bit in real life. |
| 16:51.48 | CuCullin | they do |
| 16:51.59 | CuCullin | you need an attachment for the bottom of the cell |
| 16:52.04 | CuCullin | a true pita |
| 16:52.08 | CuCullin | anyways, like I said, time for pizza with the gf.... bbl |
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| 16:52.50 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:52.54 | apache444 | Moo! |
| 16:53.21 | apache444 | Hi all, I'm looking for help on flashing my boot image from my flash card on an IPAQ H3650. I have bootldr 2.18.54 installed, but I can put 2.19.xx on it if I need to. |
| 16:53.36 | treke | apache444: #handhelds.org |
| 16:53.52 | apache444 | treke: I looked everywhere... I can only find the serial or USB method... |
| 16:54.02 | treke | apache444: #handhelds.org |
| 16:54.08 | apache444 | Oh, woops, you meant the channel, not the website. thanks. |
| 16:55.13 | ljp_work | god, pizza AND a girlfriend? he must be in heaven |
| 16:55.22 | noda | ljp_work: Whodat? |
| 16:55.24 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:55.30 | kergoth | 10:52 < CuCullin> anyways, like I said, time for pizza with the gf.... bb |
| 16:56.08 | ljp_work | I might have to go to Las Vegas a buy me a girlfriend.. |
| 16:56.53 | kergoth | heh, I need to ditch this chick i'm dating |
| 16:56.55 | chouimat | ljp_work: I never believed in bride by mail |
| 16:56.58 | kergoth | she's starting to fall for me, cant have that |
| 16:57.00 | noda | kergoth: How long has it been? |
| 16:57.13 | kergoth | not long, month or so |
| 16:57.31 | ljp_work | hmmm. send here here. I'll take her |
| 16:57.44 | ljp_work | wait. does she lik epizza? |
| 16:57.52 | ljp_work | like pizza even |
| 16:58.09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:58.22 | ljp_work | dont be so charming, and they wont like you |
| 16:58.35 | noda | ljp_work: lol, you have experience with this I guess? :) |
| 16:58.40 | chouimat | basic food by ljp_work: coffee, rum and pizza |
| 16:58.47 | kergoth | heh, I just wanted to date her, not get serious |
| 16:58.53 | kergoth | but I can tell she wants that, so she's gotta go |
| 16:59.22 | chouimat | kergoth: the problems is all serious story start like this : I just wanted to date to have fun ... |
| 16:59.39 | kergoth | chouimat: yep. they may say that.. but they're full of shit |
| 16:59.49 | kergoth | ah well |
| 17:00.17 | treke | <kergoth> now she actually wants to know what my name is, thats a bit too much for me |
| 17:00.26 | kergoth | aha |
| 17:00.38 | kergoth | cant have that! |
| 17:00.50 | chouimat | kergoth: good trick : honey I just saw the doctor and since my health is not so good I have the choice between Women and alchool..... Can you make a long island please |
| 17:00.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:01.30 | ljp_work | chouimat: thats exactly my shopping list. add cat food sometimes |
| 17:01.40 | chouimat | ljp_work: yah me too |
| 17:05.57 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030307&mode=classic |
| 17:09.22 | troffasky | how do I find out the manufacturer of my SD card from within my Zaurus? |
| 17:09.38 | troffasky | Will looking at syslog when inserting it work? |
| 17:09.44 | kergoth | doubtful |
| 17:09.49 | kergoth | that would assume sanity in the lineo sd driver |
| 17:09.55 | kergoth | which is a bad assumption |
| 17:10.01 | troffasky | oh sorry :-) |
| 17:10.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:10.31 | troffasky | ISTR the name of my CF card shows up in syslog when I plug it in... |
| 17:10.34 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:10.36 | kergoth | thats pcmcia |
| 17:10.38 | troffasky | ...but it ain't no SD card |
| 17:10.40 | kergoth | sd is a _completely_ different animal |
| 17:10.44 | troffasky | ok |
| 17:10.55 | troffasky | I'm trying to help a friend with SD issues |
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| 17:11.36 | troffasky | He says he gets much less IO speed when his SD card is formatted as ext2 vs. FAT |
| 17:11.45 | troffasky | ie about a 1/15th the speed |
| 17:12.01 | noda | If anyone wants to see just how cool CSS is with a disfunctional site, check out http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/oz/ -- there are now 2 stylesheets. Only, the default one doesn't work :) |
| 17:15.25 | treke | 2~/win 5 |
| 17:16.05 | numatrix | noda: fyi, the faq link is hosed. |
| 17:16.28 | apache444 | treke, don't want to be a pest, but I just tried the md5sum on the oz-ipaq.jffs2 file, and it didn't match with the md5 file. is the md5 file updated? |
| 17:17.32 | Twiun | noda: the css looks ok... after the whole page has loaded :) |
| 17:17.35 | noda | numatrix: Oh, it's very broken :) |
| 17:17.57 | noda | It's just a beginning concept, to show off how versatile CSS is. I'm hoping to have 3 or 4 COMPLETELY different styles :) |
| 17:18.06 | noda | This particular one will only work in Gecko :) |
| 17:19.36 | chouimat | noda: get a date ... |
| 17:20.00 | treke | apache444: no it isnt :) |
| 17:20.29 | treke | just updated it |
| 17:20.33 | apache444 | thanks! |
| 17:21.25 | apache444 | yup, I had it right the first time :) |
| 17:21.46 | noda | chouimat: Heh |
| 17:21.52 | apache444 | noda: !!! |
| 17:22.56 | treke | kergoth: know of any console cd players that can do the digital read thingy? |
| 17:23.09 | kergoth | hmm nope, let me know if you find one |
| 17:23.24 | treke | stuck trying to use xmms which isnt working out well :) |
| 17:23.45 | noda | apache444: ? |
| 17:24.05 | noda | treke: mplayer |
| 17:24.09 | treke | maybe I'll just rip the cd |
| 17:24.13 | noda | treke: A bit overkill, but it works :) |
| 17:24.17 | treke | noda: hrm, good idea i reckon :) |
| 17:24.23 | noda | mplayer cdda:// |
| 17:24.27 | noda | (I think) |
| 17:24.38 | noda | xine does it too, I forget if it's got a console mode. I know it does framebuffer... :) |
| 17:25.07 | treke | its a pain to rip, takes a 20 minutes to rip the track and 30 seconds to encode it :) |
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| 17:26.10 | noda | :) |
| 17:26.28 | STWizard | hello all |
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| 17:30.42 | STWizard | what happened to #openzaurus ? am i in the right place to talk of OpenZaurus running on Sharp SL5500? |
| 17:31.03 | treke | kergoth: So far I've almost rid myself of the scurge that is gui apps :) |
| 17:31.24 | noda | STWizard: Yes, this is the right place :) |
| 17:31.27 | treke | exactly what it says :) It takes a while to do initial set up |
| 17:31.28 | noda | apache444: It's good :) |
| 17:31.34 | noda | apache444: openzaurus.org has that faq :) |
| 17:31.41 | apache444 | really, gonna go read! |
| 17:31.55 | kergoth | STWizard: technically #openzaurus is still for OZ specific issues, but some OZ issues arent OZ specific at all |
| 17:31.57 | STWizard | cool thanks noda |
| 17:32.00 | kergoth | STWizard: just ask |
| 17:32.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:32.32 | treke | apache444: shouldn take more than say, 5 minutes |
| 17:32.37 | apache444 | default root pw on opie for oz is <blank> right? |
| 17:32.43 | treke | yes |
| 17:33.09 | apache444 | it's working! you guys are awesome. |
| 17:33.23 | STWizard | guess i should go to the keyboard then, this works on the Z, but a little slow for typing |
| 17:33.54 | STWizard | i luv this thing! |
| 17:33.59 | noda | :) |
| 17:34.13 | treke | apache444: If you have any problems feel free to email me |
| 17:34.16 | treke | ibot treke? |
| 17:34.17 | | treke: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:34.27 | treke | ibot treke is Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net> |
| 17:34.28 | | treke: okay |
| 17:34.32 | treke | ibot treke? |
| 17:34.33 | | i guess treke is Greg Gilbert <greg@treke.net> |
| 17:34.40 | apache444 | hehe - thanks! |
| 17:34.46 | noda | ibot noda |
| 17:34.47 | | [noda] a real life Clark Kent |
| 17:34.53 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth |
| 17:34.53 | | methinks kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 17:35.04 | apache444 | Where is that info stored? |
| 17:35.06 | apache444 | ibot apache444 |
| 17:35.08 | | apache444: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:35.13 | noda | ibot no, noda is Adam Hooper, openzaurus.org webmaster <adamh@densi.com> |
| 17:35.14 | | noda: okay |
| 17:35.16 | noda | ibot noda |
| 17:35.17 | | hmm... noda is Adam Hooper, openzaurus.org webmaster <adamh@densi.com> |
| 17:35.17 | kergoth | ibot: apache444 is blah |
| 17:35.17 | | kergoth: okay |
| 17:35.49 | apache444 | ibot noda is Robert Cotran, noda's master <robertc@densi.com> |
| 17:35.50 | | ...but noda is already something else... |
| 17:35.57 | noda | Mwahahaha :P |
| 17:35.58 | apache444 | ibot apache444 is Robert Cotran, noda's master <robertc@densi.com> |
| 17:35.58 | | ...but apache444 is already something else... |
| 17:36.00 | apache444 | oops. |
| 17:36.06 | apache444 | ibot no, apache444 is Robert Cotran, noda's master <robertc@densi.com> |
| 17:36.07 | | apache444: okay |
| 17:36.07 | kergoth | ibot: no, apache444 is bleh |
| 17:36.08 | | okay, kergoth |
| 17:36.09 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:36.13 | noda | rofl |
| 17:36.15 | apache444 | i have no idea how this protocol works. :) |
| 17:36.20 | noda | ~lart apache444 |
| 17:36.45 | apache444 | ibot apache444 |
| 17:36.48 | | hmm... apache444 is bleh |
| 17:36.49 | noda | ibot: tell apache444 about help |
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| 17:37.21 | apache444 | noda: Uh dude, thanks for the help - not |
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| 17:37.29 | noda | Okay. Type "ibot help" :P |
| 17:37.34 | apache444 | ibot help |
| 17:37.36 | DiamondAl | hello there |
| 17:37.46 | DiamondAl | now I am on the pc, this is STWizard |
| 17:38.05 | DiamondAl | hehehe, the Z is still on even tho it went to suspend |
| 17:39.22 | DiamondAl | ok here is my problem, I am getting a garbled screen on suspend, the syslog is going to console, so I checked process list for syslogd and there was none |
| 17:39.47 | noda | DiamondAl: What version of oz? |
| 17:40.02 | noda | And did you use the debug kernel? |
| 17:40.17 | DiamondAl | now I know that it should be started so where in the rc.d structure does it go?? i am more familiar with slackware and the others that don't have the debian structure for rc |
| 17:40.29 | DiamondAl | i am using OZ3.1rc2 |
| 17:40.54 | noda | It doesn't go anywhere. |
| 17:41.14 | DiamondAl | nope dont think so, noda, it didn't always do this, just after a few sessions with the package manager |
| 17:41.33 | DiamondAl | i downloaded a boatload of ipks and now i get this |
| 17:41.34 | kergoth | DiamondAl: /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 17:41.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:41.42 | DiamondAl | i can stop it by doing that kergoth |
| 17:41.53 | kergoth | syslog messages dont go to console, they go to /dev/console |
| 17:41.53 | DiamondAl | but will it survive a reboot?? |
| 17:41.53 | apache444 | THanks for all your help guys. My IPAQ is running oz now :) Gotta run. |
| 17:41.58 | kergoth | which is 'null |
| 17:41.59 | kergoth | ' |
| 17:42.03 | kergoth | unless you flashed a debug kernel |
| 17:42.06 | kergoth | for which console=tty0 |
| 17:43.15 | DiamondAl | kergoth, i did that and it stopped for current session, but when i rebooted they came back |
| 17:43.36 | DiamondAl | doesn't do any harm, just looks bad and corrupts the screen, and taskbar |
| 17:43.42 | kergoth | did you not read what i just said? |
| 17:43.59 | kergoth | syslog messages do not go to console unless you're on a debug kernel, or you rm -f /dev/console or something |
| 17:44.17 | noda | Hrm, I think this may be a mozilla bug that's holding back my great idea :( |
| 17:44.25 | DiamondAl | lemme check and see if /dev/console is there |
| 17:46.13 | DiamondAl | yep, /dev/console is there |
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| 17:46.48 | kergoth | should add centericq and mp3blaster to OE/OZ |
| 17:46.52 | kergoth | wonder if mp3blaster can use libmad |
| 17:47.06 | DiamondAl | shouldn't one of the startup scripts start the syslogd and klogd daemons? |
| 17:47.23 | kergoth | no |
| 17:47.27 | kergoth | its a waste of memory space |
| 17:47.29 | noda | Ah well, off to another 4 and a half hours of torturous school :) |
| 17:47.35 | kergoth | if you need logging, start them, for debugging |
| 17:47.57 | DiamondAl | no,nonono, i don't need logging, right now, hehehe |
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| 17:48.37 | kergoth | DiamondAl: paste one of the messages you see |
| 17:48.38 | DiamondAl | i was looking for the messages, and am glad they are there, just not on the screen with the gui |
| 17:48.52 | apache444 | guys - I don't have a serial console on my ipaq anymore, whereas with familiar I did (using oz-ipaq). does anyone know how to get it back? |
| 17:48.59 | kergoth | apache444: edit inittab |
| 17:49.06 | kergoth | apache444: add an entry for ttySA0 |
| 17:49.12 | apache444 | OK, thanks. |
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| 17:49.47 | kergoth | treke: we need a first boot wizard |
| 17:49.58 | DiamondAl | well, kergoth, i am logged in on the ... sorry |
| 17:50.05 | DiamondAl | shall i leave? |
| 17:50.14 | kergoth | treke: to prompt for root pass, username/pass of a new user, date/time, whether to put a getty on the seiral console, etc |
| 17:50.18 | kergoth | DiamondAl: huh? |
| 17:50.23 | chouimat | ibot: change 1 cad to usd |
| 17:50.27 | DiamondAl | STWizard is my zaurus logged on with wifi card |
| 17:50.33 | kergoth | DiamondAl: and? |
| 17:50.42 | DiamondAl | i am on laptop as DiamondAl |
| 17:50.48 | kergoth | and? |
| 17:50.52 | kergoth | i should care, why? |
| 17:50.58 | chouimat | ~lart DiamondAl |
| 17:51.01 | kergoth | just get me one of the messages that overwrites your console |
| 17:51.04 | kergoth | i dont give a shit about how |
| 17:51.12 | kergoth | s/console/opie/ |
| 17:51.30 | treke | kergoth: how much space does picogui use? |
| 17:51.44 | kergoth | treke: someone in that chan just said, pgserver is like 8.1K or something |
| 17:51.47 | kergoth | really small |
| 17:51.55 | treke | thats probably going to be the best bet |
| 17:52.00 | chouimat | treke: not enough |
| 17:52.01 | kergoth | for a first boot wizard? |
| 17:52.10 | kergoth | I'd say make the first boot wizard have a pluginable gui |
| 17:52.15 | kergoth | depending on what you have available |
| 17:52.22 | treke | kergoth: that also would be nice |
| 17:52.24 | kergoth | make it use ncurses/dialog if need be |
| 17:52.37 | treke | like debconf? |
| 17:52.40 | apache444 | kergoth: I have 0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 115200 ttySA0 in my inittab... looks right to me no? |
| 17:52.56 | scanline | kergoth: it's not 8.1k.. that was for a build where almost everything is in a dynamic lib |
| 17:52.58 | kergoth | treke: right, exactly |
| 17:53.02 | kergoth | scanline: gotcha |
| 17:53.02 | treke | apache444: you wont get theconsole until you exit opie |
| 17:53.09 | scanline | kergoth: it's more like 100k to 3MB depending on configuration |
| 17:53.10 | kergoth | we need ipkconf |
| 17:53.12 | kergoth | or something |
| 17:53.17 | apache444 | Oh, bummer... in familiar, I had it all the time... faster to type. :) |
| 17:53.18 | DiamondAl | damn, just turned off Z and now it won't come back on |
| 17:53.24 | DiamondAl | hang on gotta reset |
| 17:53.43 | treke | apache444: yeah. Its annoying. It's on the task list |
| 17:53.43 | kergoth | apache444: right, on the zauurs, we had to make sure that when you quit opie, you'd get a console on the LCD |
| 17:53.56 | kergoth | apache444: because the Z has a hardware keyboard, and _RARELY_ do its users have a serial port at all |
| 17:54.02 | kergoth | it'll get fixed |
| 17:54.03 | apache444 | next question: has anyone got the 3COM 3C1 CF LAN card to work on OZ? |
| 17:54.17 | kergoth | should work fine afaik |
| 17:54.28 | DiamondAl | kergoth, I was getting messages from cardmgr[pid] bla bla bla, etc |
| 17:54.34 | apache444 | kergoth: cool, so it's possible, it's just a feature for zauruses. (zauri?) |
| 17:54.45 | kergoth | DiamondAl: cardmgr is a special case |
| 17:54.51 | kergoth | DiamondAl: its different |
| 17:54.53 | DiamondAl | yeah, i like it, lemme tell you |
| 17:54.56 | kergoth | DiamondAl: and stupid. i'll be patching it |
| 17:55.04 | apache444 | cardmgr tells me when I put in the 3C1 card: unsupported card in socket 0, and then gives me all the pertinent info about the card... mandif, etc... |
| 17:55.06 | DiamondAl | not complaining |
| 17:55.08 | kergoth | DiamondAl: what happens is, it does what init does. if it cant open console, it seems to revert to tty0 |
| 17:55.15 | kergoth | DiamondAl: it'll be fixed for the 3.1 release |
| 17:55.21 | DiamondAl | ohhh, ok |
| 17:55.36 | kergoth | apache444: email cardctl ident output to openzaurus-devel@lists.sf.net |
| 17:55.38 | treke | apache444: what kind of card does it say that it is? |
| 17:55.48 | kergoth | apache444: will add to our pcmcia config |
| 17:55.49 | DiamondAl | i tell you what you said about /etc/init.d/syslog start fixes it |
| 17:55.52 | apache444 | it says "function: 6 (network)" |
| 17:55.52 | kergoth | its probably a pcnet_cs |
| 17:55.55 | kergoth | DiamondAl: of course it does. |
| 17:56.03 | kergoth | DiamondAl: I KNOW what the problem is and precisely why it occurs. |
| 17:56.12 | kergoth | DiamondAl: and i'm telling you its cardmgr specific, and will be fixed for 3.1 final |
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| 17:56.30 | DiamondAl | yep, then it goes to a cyclical memory buffer or some such as per the busybox page |
| 17:56.43 | kergoth | no shit |
| 17:56.47 | kergoth | thats a syslog behavior, irrelevent |
| 17:57.03 | DiamondAl | i say this for the benefit of others who may be listening, you know and i know |
| 17:57.10 | kergoth | um |
| 17:57.15 | kergoth | how our logging works is known |
| 17:57.19 | kergoth | last i checked it was even in a faq |
| 17:57.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:57.22 | apache444 | Emailing cardctl ident output now. Thanks guys. |
| 17:57.27 | kergoth | apache444: cool |
| 17:57.33 | kergoth | apache444: this is an ethernet card? |
| 17:58.30 | DiamondAl | ohhh, i thought i read every faq there was for the Sharp Zaurus, might have missed that one, so much info, so little brainspace |
| 17:58.54 | apache444 | kergoth: yeah, ethernet 10mbps. |
| 17:58.58 | kergoth | DiamondAl: openzaurus.org |
| 17:59.04 | kergoth | DiamondAl: is the OZ faq system |
| 17:59.12 | kergoth | apache444: yeah, pcnet_cs driver. i'll take care of it |
| 17:59.27 | DiamondAl | sorry, kergoth, you are obviously one of the developers, i am very happy with OZ, am looking forward to the upcomming release, with samba support builtin |
| 18:00.24 | apache444 | kergoth: emailed the cardctl ident output just now. is there a way I can hardwire it into the pcmcia setup file (I forget the filename) |
| 18:01.05 | DiamondAl | the filestructure and system as a whole runs much more like a "real" linux system than the Sharp ROMS |
| 18:02.47 | kergoth | apache444: yeah. zaurus.com has a lil guide on creating a card entry from cardctl output |
| 18:02.55 | kergoth | apache444: might be something on handhelds.or gabout it too |
| 18:03.25 | DiamondAl | kergoth, I am new in this channel, are you one of the maintainers of the OZ ROM image? |
| 18:03.37 | tronical | DiamondAl: he's the boss ;) |
| 18:03.49 | apache444 | kergoth: Cool, I'll check that! Thanks... if you figure out anything, please let me know. I gotta go get some lunch. :) |
| 18:03.50 | kergoth | DiamondAl: yup, i'd be the maintainer and resident BOFH |
| 18:03.55 | DiamondAl | ahhh, figures |
| 18:03.57 | tronical | hehe |
| 18:07.50 | kergoth | why the hell are samba and socat in packages->gui->network? |
| 18:07.51 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:08.16 | DiamondAl | hehehe, bleh, hehehe, he is openzaurus!!! |
| 18:08.25 | DiamondAl | luv it, man, hehehe! |
| 18:08.32 | kergoth | oh, i named a release that didnt i? |
| 18:08.34 | kergoth | forgot |
| 18:08.37 | kergoth | that reminds me |
| 18:08.41 | kergoth | we need a name for rc3 |
| 18:08.42 | kergoth | ideas? |
| 18:08.51 | DiamondAl | yep, the current one, hehehe |
| 18:08.54 | tronical | kergoth: 'the BOFH release' :) |
| 18:09.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:09.18 | kergoth | i still like 3.0's name, dratsab |
| 18:09.23 | DiamondAl | what is BOFH?, (pardon my ignorance) |
| 18:09.30 | kergoth | ibot: bofh |
| 18:09.34 | | methinks bofh is at http://bofh.ntk.net |
| 18:09.34 | CuCullin | bastard operator from hell |
| 18:09.43 | DiamondAl | ohhhhh |
| 18:09.46 | DiamondAl | ok thanks |
| 18:09.50 | kergoth | you must go read the bofh stuff |
| 18:09.55 | kergoth | funny shit |
| 18:09.58 | DiamondAl | will do |
| 18:10.08 | tronical | essential guidlines for any sysadmin :) |
| 18:10.11 | tronical | guidelines |
| 18:10.43 | kergoth | indeed :) |
| 18:11.03 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 18:11.37 | DiamondAl | :( |
| 18:11.52 | kergoth | well, its good, as debian folks are making improvements |
| 18:11.55 | kergoth | just a pain to keep up with them :) |
| 18:16.19 | DiamondAl | gosh, i feel so humble now, i am afraid to even ask another question ... ah, maybe tomorrow |
| 18:17.06 | DiamondAl | i have been wanting to be in here all week, while i was flashing and tweaking and flashing and crying, etc |
| 18:17.29 | kergoth | heh, just check the faq |
| 18:17.32 | DiamondAl | but i come to find out that openprojects.net is now freenode.net, jeeezzz |
| 18:17.33 | kergoth | then ask if its not there |
| 18:17.39 | kergoth | otherwise i'll have to slap you around a bit |
| 18:17.40 | kergoth | ;) |
| 18:18.16 | DiamondAl | right, read all the faqs for both oz and opie two or three times and all the user sites that google came up with |
| 18:18.25 | DiamondAl | information overload is all |
| 18:18.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18.35 | kergoth | thats what filters are for |
| 18:18.40 | kergoth | you're looking for answers to a question |
| 18:18.46 | DiamondAl | i must have seen it, cuz i did just what you said to fix it |
| 18:18.47 | kergoth | ignore extranious information, bookmark for later perusal |
| 18:20.40 | DiamondAl | I have a real question, the one that i have been searching for an answer for,which is why the syslog thing was not priority, and was filed for later perusal |
| 18:20.53 | DiamondAl | this is the real question... |
| 18:21.04 | kergoth | what? |
| 18:21.09 | kergoth | i dont understand the question |
| 18:21.31 | kergoth | syslog is not started by default for memory reasons, and that behavior will not be changed going forward. |
| 18:23.17 | DiamondAl | I know that the 2.38 sharp rom denies incomming from anything but the usb, is that so true for oz? and if not i can get my wifi card to work with static setup, (not dhcp, btw) and ping the world and all, but nothing goes in to the z through the cf slot, not under 2.37, 2.38, oz 3.0, oz3.1rc2 not in my case anyway |
| 18:23.35 | kergoth | 'denies incoming' to WHAT? |
| 18:23.42 | kergoth | syncing? ssh? what? |
| 18:23.57 | DiamondAl | both, and pinging, etc |
| 18:24.02 | kergoth | pinging works flawlessly. |
| 18:24.05 | DiamondAl | seems there is a firewall |
| 18:24.05 | kergoth | its user error, guaranteed. |
| 18:24.14 | DiamondAl | ok |
| 18:24.15 | kergoth | OZ doesnt even include iptables |
| 18:24.17 | kergoth | much less implement it |
| 18:24.25 | DiamondAl | ahhhh, cool |
| 18:24.33 | DiamondAl | no i think its the damn card |
| 18:24.37 | kergoth | the only thing thats blocked is access to the sync ports |
| 18:24.42 | kergoth | which you control via the Security app |
| 18:24.43 | kergoth | thats it |
| 18:24.45 | DiamondAl | i just bought another card, now i have two |
| 18:24.50 | DiamondAl | jsut to make this work |
| 18:24.50 | kergoth | OZ does not include a dhcp server |
| 18:24.59 | kergoth | unlike sharp |
| 18:25.04 | kergoth | which is one small behavior difference |
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| 18:26.10 | DiamondAl | i can do all tcp/ip functions FROM the z but nothing TO the z, cant ping the z, cant ftp the z, cant ssh the z, or anything thru the wifi |
| 18:26.23 | DiamondAl | now i can do all this thru usb, from winme |
| 18:26.32 | kergoth | its your network environment and/or access point |
| 18:26.37 | kergoth | or a misconfiguration |
| 18:26.45 | DiamondAl | but when i go out of the cradle, no go |
| 18:26.49 | DiamondAl | thought so |
| 18:27.11 | DiamondAl | cuz i searched and searched the scripts and such for what may be blocking |
| 18:27.18 | DiamondAl | and didn't find anything |
| 18:27.48 | kergoth | well again, the Z itself doesnt even have the _ability_ to block any of those ports |
| 18:27.53 | DiamondAl | now i know there is nothing blocking incomming, i can at least eliminate that as a possiblity |
| 18:27.55 | kergoth | so its gotta be either a really weird misconfig, or something extranious |
| 18:27.57 | kergoth | right |
| 18:28.35 | DiamondAl | my config is a dlink 614+ wireless router, and a dlink dcf660w card |
| 18:28.55 | kergoth | pretty sure we have users using that card, doubt its the problem |
| 18:29.35 | kergoth | i should setup a script for doing feed builds, that checks Version and Revision, and compares to the available ipk on the feed, to determine what needs building |
| 18:29.38 | kergoth | thatd be handy |
| 18:29.42 | kergoth | avoid rebuilds of unnecessary bits |
| 18:29.46 | gaurdian | I have that card and works fine |
| 18:29.48 | DiamondAl | router is set up without wep, ssid=portal infrastructure, and channel6 router is dhcp server (card gets eth0, as address when i use auto) |
| 18:30.07 | kergoth | gaurdian: okay good, thought so |
| 18:30.42 | DiamondAl | guardian, are you using static setup in z or dynamic, for tcp/ip? |
| 18:30.55 | gaurdian | dynamic |
| 18:31.31 | DiamondAl | oh, now i have the ambicom card too, which i may return today to bestbuy cuz it does not do dynamic either |
| 18:31.35 | DiamondAl | wow |
| 18:31.50 | DiamondAl | guardian, what is your router/ap?? |
| 18:32.37 | DiamondAl | damn if i could get dynamic to work, then i could do kissmet, et al |
| 18:32.42 | treke | kergoth: that would be nice :) |
| 18:33.11 | kergoth | DiamondAl: eh? ambicom should work fine |
| 18:33.18 | kergoth | DiamondAl: kismet has nothing to do with the use of dhcp vs static |
| 18:33.20 | kergoth | DiamondAl: irrelevent |
| 18:33.25 | DiamondAl | yeah, so should the dlink |
| 18:33.28 | kergoth | treke: problem is, figuring out what ipks the makefile in question builds |
| 18:33.39 | kergoth | DiamondAl: no, it _does_. just not in _your_ environment |
| 18:33.39 | DiamondAl | i got the ambicom to see if the dlink cf card was the problem |
| 18:33.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:33.46 | DiamondAl | now it narrows down to the ap |
| 18:34.02 | gaurdian | Linksys WRT51AB Dual Band Wireless Router is what I use |
| 18:34.19 | DiamondAl | hmmm, i see |
| 18:34.20 | kergoth | you dont need dhcp to put your card in monitor mode for kismet. |
| 18:34.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:34.24 | kergoth | treke: drink! woot |
| 18:34.33 | DiamondAl | anyone here .. |
| 18:34.54 | kergoth | DiamondAl: no. |
| 18:34.54 | DiamondAl | right, but if you have it it makes connecting to found networks easier, hehehe |
| 18:35.17 | kergoth | DiamondAl: only if said network uses dhcp, and are willing to hand out ips to any idiot :) |
| 18:35.37 | DiamondAl | right.....right!!!! :) |
| 18:35.44 | gaurdian | and it works fine with that |
| 18:35.47 | DiamondAl | there are those, ya know |
| 18:35.54 | kergoth | Didnt claim otherwise. |
| 18:36.06 | kergoth | argh konq takes a long fucking time to build |
| 18:36.30 | treke | it failed to compile, last I tried :) |
| 18:36.42 | kergoth | that reminds me, should enable -gif in our qt build |
| 18:36.57 | DiamondAl | yeah, yeah, please?? |
| 18:36.59 | gaurdian | so it must be your enviroment, that card works fine for me |
| 18:37.06 | kergoth | ah ok, did add -gif in one of my commits |
| 18:37.07 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:37.10 | DiamondAl | i get a failed dependency for libopie11 |
| 18:37.15 | DiamondAl | no where in the feeds |
| 18:37.18 | kergoth | harmless |
| 18:37.20 | kergoth | its a fucking typo |
| 18:37.23 | DiamondAl | there is a libopie1 |
| 18:37.23 | kergoth | -force-depends |
| 18:37.31 | DiamondAl | ahhhhh |
| 18:37.35 | DiamondAl | hmmm |
| 18:37.58 | kergoth | treke: problem with the checking the feed to see what to build thing.. |
| 18:38.08 | kergoth | treke: no easy way for the scrip tto determine what ipks a given makefile produces |
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| 18:39.12 | kergoth | for most builds, could grep it for $(IPKTEMP_DIR).*\.ipk |
| 18:39.26 | kergoth | but ones that override the ipk build like opie and kernel builds.. |
| 18:39.32 | treke | yeah |
| 18:39.38 | kergoth | maybe make it assume it needs to build an app that it cant determine |
| 18:39.41 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:39.52 | kergoth | yeah i think thatd be sufficient |
| 18:40.54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:40.58 | kenb | heh |
| 18:41.05 | kergoth | treke: could always use bk prs to check for any Changes against that file since the date of the last release |
| 18:41.13 | kergoth | treke: and use that to determine what to build for a feed update |
| 18:41.36 | kergoth | less exacting though |
| 18:41.46 | kergoth | because someone may have just updated staging install, not the contents of the ipk itself |
| 18:42.17 | kergoth | yeah screw that, i'll do it properly instead |
| 18:42.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:42.23 | treke | kergoth: perhaps in the TNV we could provide a regex to match |
| 18:42.33 | kergoth | yeah thats an idea.. |
| 18:42.49 | treke | so opie might decide to look at libopie1 and assume the rest of opie would be up to date |
| 18:43.03 | treke | the kernel might just look for kernel-image |
| 18:43.10 | kergoth | well opie is coming from HEAD, so should probably be rebuilt everytime regardless |
| 18:43.18 | kergoth | but yeah i see the point |
| 18:43.49 | treke | kergoth: yeah, but once 1.0 is released you may decide to use opie1.0 for the most part |
| 18:44.08 | treke | and possibly provide a second feed with opie-unstable |
| 18:44.36 | kergoth | yeah, most likely |
| 18:44.43 | kergoth | opie 1.0 will be in stable |
| 18:45.00 | kergoth | dunno what will be in testing. subsequent builds that are confirmed to be sane perhaps |
| 18:45.41 | kergoth | hmm, konq's configure script behaved weirdly trying to pick up libqt and qtopia |
| 18:46.13 | treke | I could see HEAD getting pretty unstable for a while once 1.0 is done |
| 18:46.23 | kergoth | yeah, definately |
| 18:46.29 | kergoth | people will start doing the shit they had to wait till 1.0 to do |
| 18:46.38 | treke | yup. |
| 18:47.10 | kergoth | I dont even code much on opie and i'll be doing buildsystem things after 1.0, and filesystem structure changes, and shit |
| 18:47.36 | kergoth | how the fuck was it buldiing konq/e before the kernel? |
| 18:47.51 | kergoth | weird |
| 18:54.36 | kergoth | god these builds take a long time. I was spoiled by the minimal image builds |
| 18:55.12 | treke | hehehe |
| 18:55.30 | kergoth | and those damn mtdram 2.4.6 kernels |
| 18:55.34 | kergoth | need to build what.. 16 of them? |
| 18:55.35 | kergoth | oi |
| 18:55.45 | treke | 16?! |
| 18:55.58 | kergoth | well like 8 memory/mtdram combinations, then the debug versions |
| 18:56.08 | kergoth | but nobody really cares about the debug versions, so maybe i'll just say fuck it |
| 18:56.28 | treke | if someone requests a debug version, then build it :) |
| 18:56.35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:57.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:57.04 | treke | get to work on porting bootldr :) |
| 18:57.09 | treke | then you can just build 1 |
| 18:57.10 | kergoth | or blob, or u-boot, or.. |
| 18:57.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:57.48 | kergoth | yeah, itd be nice to be able to manipulate the kernel params |
| 18:57.55 | DiamondAl | a guy who needs a debug version should be able to build his own!!! just needs the source and a dev environment, which he should have if he wants a debug kernel |
| 18:57.57 | treke | anything that lets you set kernel paramters so you can start using nvrd :) |
| 18:58.05 | kergoth | DiamondAl: incorrect |
| 18:58.13 | kergoth | the debug version is simply for those who want console messages all the time |
| 18:58.17 | kergoth | which could be a poweruser, not a developer |
| 18:58.21 | kergoth | treke: right |
| 18:59.35 | DiamondAl | kergoth, is there a way to capture those messages to a file say on cf or sd card where there is more space?? and not on the screen? can you symlink the /dev/console? or something? |
| 19:00.17 | DiamondAl | oh, and yeah, i see what you are saying :) |
| 19:02.26 | kergoth | DiamondAl: edit /etc/init.d/syslog. remove -C from the syslogd and klogd calls |
| 19:02.41 | kergoth | DiamondAl: -C enables the 64k circular buffer. without it, it'll log them to /var/log/messages like a regular syslog |
| 19:03.40 | DiamondAl | isn't it normal for one of the "runlevel" dirs to have a link to call that script? |
| 19:03.52 | DiamondAl | upon boot? |
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| 19:04.03 | kergoth | what part of "OZ doesnt start syslog automatically for memory reasons" are you unable to understand? |
| 19:04.06 | kergoth | I've told you fucking 3 times now |
| 19:04.12 | kergoth | IT WILL NEVER BE STARTED AUTOMATICALLY |
| 19:04.20 | kergoth | rcX.d is FOR STARTING THINGS AUTOMATICALLY |
| 19:04.22 | kergoth | jesus |
| 19:05.20 | DiamondAl | i see, hmmm, well, ok how about them yankees??!! |
| 19:05.23 | DiamondAl | :) |
| 19:08.56 | DiamondAl | all i know is that when i first flashed oz, these messages didn't corrupt the screen on suspend and resume, then i added a bunch of selected stuff from the feed "testing" and did an update to ozbase, which for some reason had a star and now i get messages on the screen and the taskbar has to be refreshed as today refreshed most of the rest of the screen |
| 19:09.21 | kergoth | what part of 'cardmgr is broken' are you unable to fucking comprehend? |
| 19:09.29 | kergoth | I understandt he behavior, which you've said at least 4 times now |
| 19:09.38 | kergoth | I understand why it occurs, which you obviously dont |
| 19:09.41 | kergoth | and I know the proper fix |
| 19:09.58 | DiamondAl | oh i didn't know that it was broken, sorry |
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| 19:10.34 | kergoth | i told you arleady |
| 19:11.41 | kergoth | 11:55 <@kergoth> DiamondAl: cardmgr is a special case |
| 19:11.41 | kergoth | 11:55 <@kergoth> DiamondAl: its different |
| 19:11.49 | kergoth | 11:55 <@kergoth> DiamondAl: what happens is, it does what init does. if it cant |
| 19:11.52 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.52 | kergoth | 11:55 <@kergoth> DiamondAl: it'll be fixed for the 3.1 release |
| 19:12.16 | kergoth | yep, about an hour ago |
| 19:12.31 | DiamondAl | I apologise then must have been when i was switching from z to pc for irc |
| 19:12.48 | kergoth | you had switched like 20-30 minutes before, afaicr |
| 19:12.52 | kergoth | can always check the logs |
| 19:13.07 | kergoth | regardless, stop wasting my time with the same fucking issues over and over again |
| 19:13.13 | kergoth | been there, done that, done. |
| 19:20.18 | apache444 | kergoth: question for you - you were talking about the pcnet_cs driver before for my LAN card - does that driver come bundled with the oz-ipaq image? |
| 19:20.32 | kergoth | apache444: it should.. ask treke |
| 19:20.38 | apache444 | ok thanks! |
| 19:26.45 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnn, oz-ipaq.. |
| 19:26.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 19:26.56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:27.11 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 19:27.13 | kergoth | hm, glib2-build didnt build a shared lib |
| 19:27.55 | chouimat | hmmmmmmm too much beers and too much weeds -> don't feel quite well today |
| 19:33.13 | kergoth | s/weeds/weed/? weeds are those annoying plants and fuck up your garden |
| 19:35.25 | apache444 | kergoth: I just hard-coded my card into /etc/pcmcia/config and pcnet_cs module didn't like it. :( I sent an email to devel with the dmesg output from cardmgr. |
| 19:35.43 | kergoth | hmm, maybe the wrong module. thats the general one used for ethernet cards tho |
| 19:36.51 | apache444 | yeah, I noticed that it was the most used module in the file... I've done quite a bit of research on this and noone can really get it to work. Maybe they used a chipset that was proprietary to just that CF card? |
| 19:37.15 | kergoth | could be |
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| 19:39.45 | treke | this is cool |
| 19:39.54 | kergoth | what is? |
| 19:40.02 | treke | the ion-devel package in debian |
| 19:40.18 | kergoth | ion.. whats ion? |
| 19:40.24 | kergoth | rings a bell |
| 19:40.25 | treke | window manager |
| 19:42.39 | kergoth | ah thats right |
| 19:42.42 | treke | http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/ion.jpg |
| 19:43.29 | kergoth | hmmm looks cool |
| 19:43.58 | treke | it now has dock app support so I can have my clock |
| 19:45.00 | Neo|Work | of course, I always keep multiple xterms on top of eachother |
| 19:45.07 | Neo|Work | seems like that vm doesn't like that |
| 19:45.25 | treke | Neo|Work: it can do that |
| 19:45.41 | kergoth | I'm a console junkie myself, with the exception of the occasional jaunt to X w/ fluxbox |
| 19:45.42 | treke | Neo|Work: thats essentially what happened in the top frame. 3 apps stacked |
| 19:46.02 | treke | kergoth: very console friendly :) |
| 19:46.17 | kergoth | yeah, it looks that way |
| 19:46.18 | kergoth | should try it |
| 19:46.20 | treke | doesnt get along as well with gui apps |
| 19:50.54 | apache444 | guys, what's the command to restart the pcmcia services? forgive my noobness, but where's /etc/rc.d/init.d/ in oz? |
| 19:51.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:51.07 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.15 | apache444 | woops, shoulda caught that - thanks. |
| 19:51.26 | ccamp | heh |
| 19:51.28 | ccamp | sup kergoth |
| 19:51.45 | kergoth | attempting to update our unstable feed |
| 19:54.49 | apache444 | treke, are you there? |
| 19:54.54 | treke | yes |
| 19:55.00 | apache444 | can I pm you a quick question? |
| 19:55.11 | treke | ask away here |
| 19:55.29 | apache444 | ok, I'm trying to mount my CF memory card in oz without opie running - just working console for now. |
| 19:55.39 | apache444 | I get this error: "mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt/cf failed: Invalid argument" |
| 19:55.46 | apache444 | when I type "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf" |
| 19:55.49 | treke | mount /dev/hda1 -t vfat /mnt/cf |
| 19:55.52 | apache444 | I'm assuming that's where I should be mounting to. |
| 19:56.23 | apache444 | ok, the automounter tries: "mount -v -t auto /dev/hda1" |
| 19:57.02 | apache444 | thanks, your line worked, just wondering why the automounter doesn't work... should I modify fstab? |
| 19:57.19 | apache444 | Guess not, cuz people don't always use FAT on their CF cards right? |
| 19:57.53 | treke | what error do you get when it automounts? |
| 19:58.24 | DiamondAl | i have a cf with a 20mb fat partition and a 11mb ext2 partition and it works for flashing btw |
| 19:58.25 | apache444 | One sec, will tell you |
| 19:59.09 | DiamondAl | bought a cheap 32mb card to check that, will partition my 256MB card next |
| 20:00.02 | apache444 | of course it worked this time - rebooting to try again. |
| 20:00.28 | apache444 | root |
| 20:00.31 | apache444 | woops - sorry |
| 20:01.18 | kergoth | apache444: try removing -v from the mount command in /etc/pcmcia/ide |
| 20:01.23 | apache444 | treke: you'd need about 8 lines to really see the error, can I flood them to the channel or will that piss people off? |
| 20:01.37 | treke | #flood |
| 20:01.41 | kergoth | apache444: -v doesnt seem to do anything in util-linux mount, only on busybox mount. we cahnged recently |
| 20:02.01 | apache444 | treke: ok, it's on #flood |
| 20:02.16 | kergoth | I ran into the same behavior on my c700 |
| 20:02.36 | nelson | apache444: you really should use bootldr 2.19.62. there's a bug in <2.19.57 which causes it to fail to find some files. |
| 20:03.05 | treke | apache444: did you set the partition type properly in fdisk? |
| 20:03.32 | apache444 | checking... |
| 20:04.15 | apache444 | nelson: I'm using 2.19.61 bootldr. |
| 20:04.32 | nelson | apache444: should be fine. |
| 20:04.44 | kergoth | treke: you see those unresolved symbols on his pcnet_cs load on openzaurus-devel? |
| 20:04.56 | nelson | apache444: (I hate it when people use software that has bugs that I've fixed :) |
| 20:04.58 | kergoth | treke: looks like it was built against different sources, or differently configured sources |
| 20:05.02 | treke | havent checked my email recently |
| 20:05.16 | apache444 | nelson: should I install 2.19.62 - not a problem. |
| 20:05.33 | treke | kergoth: odd |
| 20:05.41 | apache444 | treke: the partitions in fdisk are all messed, I'll flood to #flood. :) |
| 20:06.02 | kergoth | treke: indeed. either that or a module is missing that those modules depend on |
| 20:06.05 | treke | kergoth: apache444 then fix the partitions :) |
| 20:06.26 | kergoth | ? i dont care about his partitions :P |
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| 20:06.48 | apache444 | treke: hehe, It's because I use the card between Windows (I know, don't hurt me) and OZ on the Ipaq |
| 20:06.58 | kergoth | apache444: and? |
| 20:07.06 | kergoth | that doesnt imply that your partitioning be insane |
| 20:07.14 | treke | or broken |
| 20:07.21 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:07.26 | nelson | apache444: no, 2.19.61 has that bug fixed. Sounds like you didn't run into it regardless. |
| 20:07.27 | JasonNJ | sup dudes. |
| 20:07.31 | apache444 | kergoth: I'm just thinking that maybe that would do it. For some reason fdisk shows 4 partitions... maybe I should format the card and start over. |
| 20:07.48 | kergoth | apache444: remove them all. create a single full size fat partition. |
| 20:07.48 | kergoth | apache444: then mkfs it |
| 20:07.48 | treke | apache444: fdisk, and reformat |
| 20:07.48 | JasonNJ | yo goth. Yo nelson. |
| 20:07.48 | nelson | JasonNJ: I don't now about you, but I just ate lunch. Supper is a long ways away. |
| 20:07.50 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 20:08.08 | JasonNJ | nelson: I had food poisining for 2 days |
| 20:08.14 | JasonNJ | I am only now just starting to recover |
| 20:08.16 | nelson | JasonNJ: both ends? |
| 20:08.17 | treke | apache444: Windows tends to be even more fragile then linux when it comes to stuff like that |
| 20:08.23 | JasonNJ | both ends |
| 20:08.27 | nelson | ack. |
| 20:08.40 | nelson | been there done that, don't want to talk about it. |
| 20:08.41 | JasonNJ | bad knish. |
| 20:08.53 | nelson | please!! |
| 20:09.04 | kergoth | nelson: email me the info on your box again, misplaced it, want to get this happy in rh8 |
| 20:09.06 | JasonNJ | ahahaha. |
| 20:09.20 | JasonNJ | rh8 is the spawn of SATAN |
| 20:09.27 | apache444 | treke: did "d" to all partitions, and 1 is sticking around with errors, on flood. |
| 20:09.30 | treke | apache444: I'll probably do a new 2.4.19 based kernel this evening |
| 20:09.33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: true that |
| 20:09.40 | treke | which should fix your network card problem |
| 20:10.11 | nelson | kergoth: You've Got Mail(tm)! |
| 20:10.22 | treke | fdisk isnt exactly my area of expertise :) If the partition wont delete you might have problems |
| 20:10.39 | nelson | my mother-in-law *has* to use it for her business. |
| 20:11.14 | nelson | rh8 isn't that bad. I mean, it works.... And I've got a local mirror for it at Clarkson, which I don't have for Debian. |
| 20:11.29 | kergoth | hm, your ssh server doesnt like me much |
| 20:11.46 | kergoth | debug1: identity file /home/kergoth/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 |
| 20:11.46 | kergoth | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 20:11.46 | kergoth | debug1: Calling cleanup 0x80632c0(0x0) |
| 20:11.53 | kergoth | b00m |
| 20:12.11 | chouimat | ok I'm leaving see you monday guys |
| 20:12.20 | kergoth | later chouimat, have a good weekend |
| 20:12.28 | nelson | kergoth: betcha it likes you more now. |
| 20:12.34 | nelson | (hosts.allow) |
| 20:12.41 | kergoth | nelson: hehe, yeah it likes me now :) |
| 20:13.13 | apache444 | treke: maybe all cf cards have this error... (has different physical/logical endings) |
| 20:13.15 | nelson | I hate firewalls, but that doesn't mean I'll open my systems up to *anyone*. |
| 20:13.45 | nelson | JasonNJ: so what are you doing for money these days? |
| 20:14.15 | nelson | hmmmm. I hear my disk grinding away. I must have a Kergoth infestation. :) |
| 20:15.32 | TheMasterMind1 | i bet many people would pay to see that |
| 20:15.42 | kergoth | yeah, we need that on pay-per-view or something |
| 20:15.54 | kergoth | the kergoth vs autoconf cagematch |
| 20:15.59 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:17.03 | Neo|Work | so here's a comment about a bad thing in WinCE (or to be exact, apps) |
| 20:17.25 | Neo|Work | it seems like apps there also run into problems after being resumed from standby |
| 20:17.49 | Neo|Work | i.e snails 1) loses sound until I restart it and 2) continues running/drawing in case for example a meeting reminder pops up |
| 20:18.35 | troffasky | re: the topic, my ex-g.f. was overclocked to run two guys at once |
| 20:18.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 20:19.12 | apache444 | kergoth: you suggested I remove -v from the mount command /etc/pcmcia/ide, but I don't see it in there... doesn't the mount command get generated from /etc/fstab? |
| 20:19.33 | kergoth | apache444: afaik -v isnt. |
| 20:19.39 | kergoth | apache444: whats the mount command in ide? |
| 20:19.59 | apache444 | there's no mount command in ide, that's just the thing... "start)" has only add-parts... |
| 20:20.09 | kergoth | read the pcmcia functiosn file |
| 20:20.14 | kergoth | that defines the add-parts function |
| 20:20.16 | kergoth | in /etc/pcmcia/ |
| 20:21.52 | treke | apache444: probably not |
| 20:22.21 | kergoth | afaik pcmcia will call mount /dev/device |
| 20:22.28 | kergoth | mountpoint, options, filesystem determined by fstab |
| 20:22.35 | kergoth | but its actually calling something different |
| 20:22.41 | kergoth | like mount -v -t auto /dev/device |
| 20:22.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:22.44 | apache444 | yeah, there's a function called "add_blkdev" which runs "log mount -v ..." |
| 20:22.48 | kergoth | bingo |
| 20:23.14 | apache444 | I'll try removing the -v |
| 20:23.40 | kergoth | ~insult gnu auto* |
| 20:23.50 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:24.39 | apache444 | the problem is it can't determine the filesystem type for /dev/hda1 so it gives an error and then auto is set to nothing. |
| 20:25.20 | kergoth | you didnt mkfs it |
| 20:25.28 | kergoth | mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 20:25.33 | apache444 | oops, you're right I didn't. |
| 20:28.36 | kergoth | hrm, too many buildroots |
| 20:28.41 | kergoth | keep forgetting which ones have what changes |
| 20:29.07 | kergoth | nelson: done, was a bug in our libtool build |
| 20:29.19 | kergoth | nelson: dont know why it didnt affect everyone |
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| 20:44.39 | nelson | kergoth: cool! Thanks! |
| 20:46.00 | kergoth | takepatch: 95 new revisions, 0 conflicts in 50 files |
| 20:46.07 | kergoth | heh, lots of changes upstream since you got that tree :) |
| 20:49.08 | kergoth | nelson: the tree in my homedir is updated and has the fix. bk pull; bk -r co -q; to update any tree from upstream (which has the fix now) |
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| 20:56.04 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 20:57.03 | Twiun | hey Dess |
| 21:00.01 | gaurdian | interesting, there is a rom 2.39 floating around out there |
| 21:01.03 | nelson | kergoth: geez, that tree was only a couple of days old. I updated it just before I gave it to you. |
| 21:01.08 | kergoth | nelson: hehe |
| 21:01.14 | kergoth | guess we're just busy little bees |
| 21:01.20 | nelson | apparently! |
| 21:01.39 | nelson | so, can I take those files back now? |
| 21:02.15 | kergoth | yeah, it seems to be working fine |
| 21:02.31 | kergoth | if it fails elsewhere, let me know, i want to iron out any rh8 kinks |
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| 21:11.17 | Neo|Work | kergoth: have you actually run with prelink btw? |
| 21:11.20 | Neo|Work | I mean on the zaurus etc |
| 21:12.28 | kergoth | Neo|Work: as soon as prelink hits /lib, no binaries run anymore, reflash time |
| 21:12.30 | Neo|Work | just wondering why the startup is so damn slow of apps in Qtopia |
| 21:12.31 | kergoth | Neo|Work: never had time to isolate |
| 21:12.36 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 21:14.02 | nelson | kergoth: thanks again for your help. |
| 21:14.11 | kergoth | not a problem |
| 21:14.18 | kergoth | now, to figure out why irssi fails to link against glib |
| 21:14.22 | kergoth | its like its running the wrong glib-config |
| 21:22.27 | Dessimat0r | I need to work out why this goddamn kernel won't compile in 'make bzImage' |
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| 21:59.01 | treke | hrm, mp3blaster and aterm dont get along |
| 21:59.17 | kergoth | aterm? |
| 21:59.27 | treke | terminal program |
| 21:59.33 | kergoth | well i figured tha tmuch |
| 22:00.31 | kergoth | havent seen denes on irc in a while |
| 22:00.36 | kergoth | just on the mailing lists occasionally |
| 22:00.38 | kergoth | ibot: seen pnis |
| 22:00.40 | | pnis <~pnis@caracas-1021.adsl.interware.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 36d 22h 24m 35s ago, saying: 'bye kergoth'. |
| 22:00.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00.48 | kergoth | 36 days |
| 22:00.51 | JasonNJ | kergoth: its attached to your crotch |
| 22:00.58 | kergoth | not _that_ one |
| 22:01.00 | JasonNJ | that, or your girlfriend is holding it |
| 22:01.15 | kergoth | heh, i gotta drop her this weekend. buhbye |
| 22:01.22 | JasonNJ | no... |
| 22:01.24 | JasonNJ | what happened |
| 22:01.38 | kergoth | she's gettin too into me |
| 22:01.40 | JasonNJ | too clingy |
| 22:01.41 | kergoth | fallin for me or something |
| 22:01.42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:01.49 | JasonNJ | whats wrong with that |
| 22:01.54 | JasonNJ | so the chick likes you |
| 22:01.58 | JasonNJ | why mess with a good thing |
| 22:02.26 | kergoth | cause she's driving me nuts. phone calls all teh fucking time |
| 22:02.36 | JasonNJ | dude, all chicks do thta |
| 22:02.41 | JasonNJ | thats nothing to worry about |
| 22:02.49 | kergoth | and I dont want anythign serious, she wants it serious, and I dont want to drag her along |
| 22:02.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:02.55 | JasonNJ | you might as well remove their vagina |
| 22:03.02 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:03.03 | JasonNJ | let alone detach them from a phone |
| 22:04.08 | JasonNJ | I think you gotta give her a few more weeks |
| 22:04.42 | JasonNJ | you either gotta dump em immediately or give them the benefit of the doubt if youve gone this far |
| 22:05.02 | kergoth | I dont think so. I dont mind dating her, but I dont see being with her for any period of time |
| 22:05.09 | JasonNJ | dude chicks are not like computers |
| 22:05.13 | kergoth | aha |
| 22:05.17 | kergoth | yes yes i realize this |
| 22:05.22 | JasonNJ | well, if you dump her, you'd better get back in teh game immediately |
| 22:05.31 | JasonNJ | dont get rusty |
| 22:05.38 | kergoth | damn right. this one isnt the one. NEXT! |
| 22:05.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:05.58 | JasonNJ | keep the machinery running man |
| 22:06.35 | JasonNJ | is she someone you could run into again? |
| 22:06.48 | kergoth | nope, thank god, i dont need more drama |
| 22:07.06 | JasonNJ | but, she HAS been to your place right? |
| 22:07.23 | kergoth | yeah, unfortunately. could get to be a pain if she's persistant |
| 22:07.29 | JasonNJ | rut roh |
| 22:07.42 | kergoth | eheh, no shit |
| 22:08.03 | JasonNJ | I had a friend who had a psychobitch chick that he dumped |
| 22:08.08 | JasonNJ | she stalked his ass |
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| 22:08.23 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.25 | JasonNJ | had to get a restraining order |
| 22:08.35 | mashi | should i get 256M SD ? |
| 22:08.39 | Neo|Work | she's extremely pushy, annoying and persistent (_I_ don't like her at all :-) |
| 22:08.46 | Neo|Work | and is trying to push him into marriage |
| 22:08.53 | Dessimat0r | mm.... 256mb SD *drools* |
| 22:08.57 | Neo|Work | surprisingly they are still "together" (I simply don't get it) |
| 22:09.04 | JasonNJ | neo: I have another friend who had one of those |
| 22:09.07 | mashi | is sandisk sd sucks ? |
| 22:09.10 | JasonNJ | they broke up AT my wedding |
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| 22:09.17 | JasonNJ | and then, they got married a year later |
| 22:09.23 | JasonNJ | went into christian counselling and shit |
| 22:09.25 | Neo|Work | mashi: as far as I know, it works fine nowadays |
| 22:09.30 | JasonNJ | now she is pregnant with his second kid |
| 22:09.43 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:09.55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ehh |
| 22:09.55 | JasonNJ | they talk out all their problems with HAND PUPPETS |
| 22:09.59 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 22:10.06 | Neo|Work | LOLOOLO!!! |
| 22:10.14 | Dessimat0r | Why did Sandisk SD have so much trouble in the first place? Did they just like being a nusence and designing their SD in a non-standard way? |
| 22:10.53 | treke | Dessimat0r: no one seems to have gotten sd right |
| 22:11.55 | mashi | i can't find 256M mmc |
| 22:11.56 | JasonNJ | dessimator: they used slower flash memory than others |
| 22:12.08 | JasonNJ | they bought the cheap shit |
| 22:12.14 | JasonNJ | thus it contributed to timeout problems |
| 22:12.26 | JasonNJ | which is why Sharp never certified it. |
| 22:13.47 | JasonNJ | I really have too much free time these days. |
| 22:13.57 | mashi | jasonnj : u mean sandisk ? |
| 22:13.58 | JasonNJ | Today, i reviewed Chicken McNuggets on eGullet. |
| 22:14.03 | JasonNJ | http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=17999&hl=&s= |
| 22:14.23 | JasonNJ | mashi: I mean sharp, they never certified Sandisk's SD for use on the Zaurus. |
| 22:14.31 | troffasky | is there a review site for all these review sites? |
| 22:14.31 | mashi | ok |
| 22:14.40 | troffasky | I want to find the best review site ;-) |
| 22:14.46 | kergoth | ~lart troffasky |
| 22:14.46 | mashi | jason : should i buy SD or MMC ? |
| 22:15.01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we have the SPI chapter of the locomo docs translated to english |
| 22:15.07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: courtesy of our friend effy in jaapn |
| 22:15.17 | kergoth | so we can port an MMC only open source driver |
| 22:15.43 | JasonNJ | mashi: mmc, it doesnt make much difference at this point |
| 22:15.47 | mashi | kergoth : i prefer MMC also.. |
| 22:16.02 | mashi | at leat no nda stuff |
| 22:16.02 | Neo|Work | Now, Wendy's has good chicken nuggets |
| 22:16.12 | JasonNJ | so we know a lot more about locomo now? |
| 22:16.19 | JasonNJ | what have we learned? |
| 22:16.28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well, the rest is still japanese, but we can now use its SPI (serial peripheral interface) |
| 22:16.33 | Dessimat0r | Damn I want some KFC |
| 22:16.40 | kergoth | JasonNJ: which is how we talk to the MMC/SD |
| 22:16.53 | JasonNJ | right but thats low level shit right |
| 22:16.55 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: thanks ;) |
| 22:17.05 | Dessimat0r | JasonNJ: for that explaination up there |
| 22:17.07 | JasonNJ | the driver itself contains the main interface code to the SD |
| 22:17.10 | troffasky | Dessimat0r: Fuck KFC. In-N-Out is the best fast food known to man |
| 22:17.11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we have an MMC driver that shows how to initialize an MMC card. |
| 22:17.15 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 22:17.15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I think we can do it. |
| 22:17.16 | mashi | i found simpletech 128M MMC for $55.04 |
| 22:17.28 | mashi | but i want 256M :( |
| 22:17.44 | JasonNJ | okay, but how do we deal with the legal SD issues then, do we reverse enginner in another country? |
| 22:17.50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i said MMC driver. |
| 22:17.53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i didnt say anything about SD |
| 22:18.01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: SD card init is still quite unknown to us |
| 22:18.10 | kergoth | how we decide to handle SD is still up in the air |
| 22:18.13 | JasonNJ | ok, so we are talking strictly using the compaq/hh.org mmc shit then |
| 22:18.29 | kergoth | or the MMC driver upstream in the -pxa patches |
| 22:18.32 | JasonNJ | or, are we gonna create some unified mmc thing |
| 22:18.45 | JasonNJ | gotcha |
| 22:18.59 | kergoth | nicolas pitre merged an MMC driver |
| 22:19.06 | kergoth | so either way, i want to review both |
| 22:21.15 | mashi | which mmc is fast ? |
| 22:21.31 | mashi | since mmc already slow :( |
| 22:21.38 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 22:21.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:22.56 | mashi | errr... max mmc is 128M ? |
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| 22:26.43 | treke | mashi: yes for now |
| 22:28.00 | troffasky | anyone living in the US want to FedEx me an In-N-Out burger? |
| 22:28.16 | mashi | treke : damn.. pointless to get it then.. i got 64M |
| 22:28.53 | mashi | treke : SD will never opensource |
| 22:30.33 | JasonNJ | SD is an oppresive medium. |
| 22:30.44 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:30.55 | Dessimat0r | SD is so evil |
| 22:31.05 | kergoth | if only MMC was more popular |
| 22:31.09 | kergoth | and supported more data lines |
| 22:31.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:31.10 | JasonNJ | any sane PDA manufactuer should say to hell with it and integrate as many peripherals as possible, such as wireless, and use CF |
| 22:31.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:31.32 | kergoth | and optimally have a developer skid available ala the ibm design |
| 22:31.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:31.37 | Dessimat0r | the Z should have two CF slots ;) |
| 22:31.41 | JasonNJ | I tell you what. |
| 22:31.42 | mashi | i got 802.11b in CF already |
| 22:31.42 | Dessimat0r | somewhere.. |
| 22:31.58 | JasonNJ | If Fuji was smart, they'd opensource the XD card medium. |
| 22:32.04 | kergoth | mashi: the point is, with built in wifi, you're free to use CF for storage |
| 22:32.12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: XD? |
| 22:32.16 | JasonNJ | linux would jump on it like flies on shit. |
| 22:32.34 | JasonNJ | kergoth: new postage stamp storage format used in new Fuji digi cams |
| 22:32.40 | mashi | hitachi will release 256M MMC in late 2003 |
| 22:32.41 | kergoth | ahh |
| 22:32.46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: thatd be cool |
| 22:32.54 | JasonNJ | you know. |
| 22:32.55 | JasonNJ | I wonder. |
| 22:33.04 | kergoth | build, baby, build |
| 22:33.04 | mashi | ker : true |
| 22:33.06 | JasonNJ | Do you think a petition to Fuji would be worth shit? |
| 22:33.14 | JasonNJ | I mean, they are the underdog. |
| 22:33.14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: probably not. may be worth a shot though |
| 22:33.19 | kergoth | true |
| 22:33.29 | kergoth | not like trying to petition sharp or something |
| 22:33.32 | kergoth | which would be pretty useless |
| 22:33.44 | JasonNJ | we would need a major heavy hitter |
| 22:33.55 | mashi | u know a lot of japanese company only want their product in japan.. not internationally |
| 22:34.07 | JasonNJ | not fuji. |
| 22:34.11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: wonder if IBM could be convinced of teh validity of the idea, and lead it |
| 22:34.14 | JasonNJ | Its one of the most popular digi camera brands. |
| 22:34.20 | JasonNJ | hmm. Ibm. |
| 22:34.32 | JasonNJ | they dont like proprietary. |
| 22:34.36 | mashi | jason : hehe.. depend.. but... |
| 22:34.44 | JasonNJ | they become very anti proprietary. |
| 22:34.50 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:35.06 | kergoth | and they support linux and the community, so surely they can see the benefit |
| 22:35.06 | mashi | what the most popular digi cam ? canon, sony...etc but not fuji anymore |
| 22:35.08 | JasonNJ | well. |
| 22:35.26 | JasonNJ | most popular? tough to say |
| 22:35.36 | JasonNJ | fuji makes a lot of low cost ones |
| 22:35.44 | JasonNJ | canon is big in the higher end, as is nikon |
| 22:35.54 | mashi | right |
| 22:35.55 | JasonNJ | kodak in the middle end |
| 22:36.12 | troffasky | olympus? |
| 22:36.30 | mashi | what is rs-mmc ? |
| 22:38.18 | JasonNJ | ok well I got the name of the dude at IBM who would have to hear our grievances about SD |
| 22:38.27 | JasonNJ | Micheal McGinnis |
| 22:38.46 | JasonNJ | Program Director, Strategic Marketing for IBM Microelectronics |
| 22:39.01 | JasonNJ | mmcginni@us.ibm.com |
| 22:39.02 | troffasky | what's in it for IBM? |
| 22:39.25 | JasonNJ | well, they are trying to promote their new open PDA standard based on powerpc |
| 22:39.38 | troffasky | Does it use SD? |
| 22:39.53 | JasonNJ | I think it can, but thats not the point. |
| 22:40.18 | JasonNJ | the point is to get ibm to endorse card expansion technology that isnt restrictive or oppressive. |
| 22:40.35 | troffasky | O I C |
| 22:41.20 | troffasky | I thought you were saying get IBM to bully Sharp into opening SD |
| 22:44.38 | JasonNJ | troff: that would be useless. |
| 22:44.42 | JasonNJ | its not sharps fault. |
| 22:44.45 | JasonNJ | its the fucking SD org. |
| 22:45.17 | troffasky | in exactly whose interests is it to keep SD closed? The SD org? |
| 22:45.30 | troffasky | Did they see DeCSS and shit themselves? |
| 22:46.19 | mashi | most closed source tech fuck themself |
| 22:46.23 | JasonNJ | no, to join the SD org and use SD hardware on a product you have to sign rediculous NDAs |
| 22:46.38 | troffasky | and pay up, one assumes? |
| 22:46.52 | JasonNJ | yeah, but its only a few thousand bucks |
| 22:47.17 | troffasky | any unit royalties? |
| 22:48.48 | JasonNJ | looks like Olypus has adopted xD media as well |
| 22:48.56 | JasonNJ | olympus |
| 22:50.10 | JasonNJ | the xd card doesnt appear to be that expensive |
| 22:50.26 | JasonNJ | 62 bucks for a 128mb |
| 22:50.27 | JasonNJ | 120 for 256mb |
| 22:50.38 | JasonNJ | that really doesnt suck too bad |
| 22:50.40 | troffasky | memory isn't exactly expensive nowadays ;-) |
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| 22:53.05 | JasonNJ | http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_pressDetails.asp?pressNo=192 |
| 22:53.14 | JasonNJ | some contact info at least |
| 22:53.17 | JasonNJ | hey, theyre local. |
| 22:53.20 | JasonNJ | long island. |
| 22:55.01 | troffasky | XD sounds like a rip-off of XP and SD |
| 22:55.10 | JasonNJ | who cares |
| 22:55.25 | JasonNJ | if we can get them to open it, maybe people might actually adopt it |
| 22:56.01 | troffasky | People being...? |
| 22:57.42 | JasonNJ | other hardware manufacturers |
| 22:58.01 | JasonNJ | companies with an interest in embedded linux |
| 22:58.49 | troffasky | Are you dreaming of a Zaurus with an XD slot? |
| 22:59.12 | JasonNJ | well, any PDA with one. |
| 22:59.26 | JasonNJ | I think Sharp is a lost cause. |
| 22:59.40 | JasonNJ | they arent big on innovation, they follow. |
| 23:01.13 | troffasky | Hmm. IMHO mass market linux PDAs are like the mass-market Linux desktop: always just around the corner |
| 23:01.21 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, that'd be hot too:) |
| 23:01.24 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:02.06 | _Psycho | hey whats shaking ? |
| 23:02.30 | troffasky | bitching about SD |
| 23:02.37 | _Psycho | good good |
| 23:02.38 | _Psycho | ;) |
| 23:03.50 | _Psycho | 5500 ? |
| 23:04.02 | kergoth | yeah, hasnt been updated in like a month |
| 23:06.13 | treke | kergoth: someone on the zaurus.com board was asking if oz was dead because it hasnt been updated :) |
| 23:07.01 | _Psycho | yeah saw that too |
| 23:09.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:09.30 | kergoth | i dont use forums, myself |
| 23:09.40 | kergoth | so i rely on you folks to respond to such things if you can |
| 23:10.06 | JasonNJ | I havent used them in weeks |
| 23:10.18 | _Psycho | i check and reply often ;) |
| 23:10.38 | treke | I've found I cant always rply without signing up for the developer program |
| 23:11.36 | kergoth | I've always prefered mailing lists |
| 23:11.50 | treke | yup |
| 23:11.59 | treke | web based stuff usually sucks in general |
| 23:13.04 | JasonNJ | people sound pretty damnned unhappy on that board |
| 23:13.40 | JasonNJ | treke: as far as web based boards go, the invision software is pretty damnned good. |
| 23:14.03 | treke | anyone here on the tkc list? |
| 23:14.08 | JasonNJ | but, when I was still at sharp, we had planned to maintain the mailing lists for a good reason |
| 23:14.14 | gaurdian | Yea |
| 23:14.22 | treke | have they posted a release date for the imap tkcmail? |
| 23:14.44 | gaurdian | havent been paying attention to imap tkcmail, no idea.... |
| 23:14.52 | gaurdian | dont think so though |
| 23:15.03 | treke | hrm. |
| 23:15.33 | treke | they are really rather screwing the pootch with it |
| 23:15.40 | gaurdian | I own enugh of their programs thoiugh, I should know |
| 23:16.02 | gaurdian | not really, they said they would get it done, I am sure they will |
| 23:16.13 | gaurdian | give em a call if its that big a deal |
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| 23:16.35 | gaurdian | far as I know, they are the only game in town for imap email though on the Z |
| 23:17.01 | gaurdian | I am pretty pleased with their apps |
| 23:17.33 | treke | well there is opiemail2, although it rather sucks |
| 23:17.46 | treke | tkctodo is nifty |
| 23:17.58 | treke | they just need to hire a new ui guy |
| 23:18.16 | gaurdian | I herd rather sucks is giving it a lot of credit also |
| 23:18.53 | treke | well it techinically uses imap :) |
| 23:19.21 | gaurdian | like I said, I own almost all their PIM apps and I like em, al I would really like to see is a app that I can glance at and see a synopsis of what I have comming up, like email, todo and appointments |
| 23:19.51 | kergoth | heh, tkctoday |
| 23:19.54 | treke | someone should go write a today plugin for the stuff |
| 23:20.02 | gaurdian | something like that |
| 23:20.16 | treke | kergoth: I offered to get harlekin copies of the apps if he wanted to do it :) |
| 23:20.20 | gaurdian | If I could code, I would atempt it |
| 23:20.57 | treke | tkcmemo has some cool features, but also a lot of imo braind deadness |
| 23:21.10 | gaurdian | never tried tkcmemo |
| 23:21.18 | treke | kergoth: all notes you store are in one long xml file :) |
| 23:21.35 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:21.59 | gaurdian | I do like tkctodo, and the cal and address book app are nice |
| 23:22.16 | treke | tkceditor is pretty nice |
| 23:22.38 | treke | tkcmahjang was cool but slow. |
| 23:22.51 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:23.58 | Neo|Work | wonder how NingPo would play |
| 23:24.06 | Neo|Work | granted I had to scale all the gfx and crap |
| 23:24.32 | treke | Neo|Work: probably not a good one to port |
| 23:25.11 | Neo|Work | I'm porting it to the C700 if I ever get one |
| 23:25.21 | Neo|Work | just because then it'd run at its native resolution. :P |
| 23:25.53 | treke | kergoth: haha |
| 23:26.03 | gaurdian | kergoth , would it be possible to replace the qtopia on the sharp rom with the new 1.6, (well I assume its possible, would it be a major undertakeing ?) |
| 23:26.17 | treke | kergoth: trolltech has a picture of a "customized" launcher |
| 23:26.26 | kergoth | treke: eh, dare i ask? |
| 23:26.27 | treke | kergoth: it has a background image set :) |
| 23:26.34 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:26.35 | treke | http://www.trolltech.com/images/screenshots/qtopia/16.jpg |
| 23:26.44 | kergoth | gaurdian: why bother? just run qtopia 1.6 on OZ |
| 23:27.19 | gaurdian | how could you run 1.6 on oz ? |
| 23:27.27 | kergoth | just build some packages for it and install them |
| 23:27.28 | kergoth | big deal |
| 23:27.31 | treke | gaurdian: just compile |
| 23:27.32 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 23:27.37 | kergoth | OZ isnt locked into opie, you can run whatever you want on it |
| 23:27.46 | kergoth | just opie is what we provide out of the box |
| 23:27.58 | kergoth | and using qtopia 1.6 wouldnt gain you anything, as opie has had its features for some time now |
| 23:28.08 | kergoth | cept perhaps some stability, since its a release and opie isnt |
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| 23:30.49 | kergoth | bleh, i bet qtopia 1.6 is still using that crap buildsystem |
| 23:31.52 | treke | kergoth: The voice recorder could be cool |
| 23:32.08 | kergoth | yeah, true |
| 23:32.09 | treke | although ljps is cooler |
| 23:32.15 | treke | ljp: release |
| 23:33.11 | treke | harlekin didnt have much nice to say about their today app |
| 23:33.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:33.24 | treke | nor did zecke on the pim api :) |
| 23:33.29 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:34.21 | treke | kergoth: what amazes me is how much better qtopia seemed compared to the agenda apps |
| 23:34.27 | treke | kergoth: or james wetherall's stuff |
| 23:34.47 | kergoth | ah, never used those myself |
| 23:34.51 | kergoth | Z is my first pda ;) |
| 23:45.48 | kergoth | man this make recursion slows our builds |
| 23:45.53 | kergoth | the new buildsystem is going to be so much faster |
| 23:48.25 | treke | make isnt the speediest of programs :) |
| 23:48.34 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:48.45 | kergoth | hey mickeyl |
| 23:48.50 | kergoth | sip hates me |
| 23:48.52 | kergoth | for some reason |
| 23:49.52 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
| 23:49.57 | mickeyl | why? what does it say? |
| 23:50.14 | kergoth | didnt compile for some reason |
| 23:50.23 | mickeyl | hmm.. ok - trying it now. |
| 23:50.27 | kergoth | dont recall the reason, i disabled it for now, go back and hack on it again when the reset of the build completes |
| 23:50.29 | kergoth | finally. |
| 23:50.32 | kergoth | doing a feed update |
| 23:53.21 | mickeyl | make menuconfig hates me. |
| 23:53.42 | mickeyl | switches to 2.4.19... every time... don't understand why. sometimes even changes the ramdisk size to build |
| 23:53.59 | kenb | yup |
| 23:54.05 | kenb | does it to me too |
| 23:54.21 | mickeyl | ah nice. someone to reproduce. |
| 23:54.31 | kenb | kergoth got hit by it at least once too |
| 23:55.20 | treke | ;p |
| 23:55.57 | kergoth | yeah, its a really strange one |
| 23:56.00 | kergoth | i think i worked around it |
| 23:56.06 | kergoth | but i dont remember which tree has the workaround |
| 23:56.10 | kergoth | need to bk -r diffs around |
| 23:56.30 | kergoth | woo, my feed build finished |
| 23:56.33 | kergoth | with a bunch of stuff disabled |
| 23:56.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: we need to play teh debian patch catchup game on like 5 more packages.. hehe |
| 23:56.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: hehe... nice |
| 23:57.17 | kergoth | and dhclient outright doesnt compile anymore |
| 23:57.19 | kergoth | few others |
| 23:57.53 | kergoth | got a reply from ads |
| 23:58.14 | kergoth | their client doesnt need this for a while yet, but they'll get me the hardware and put me directly in touch with their client |
| 23:58.25 | kenb | dhclient busted? hm |
| 23:58.29 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... include $(TOPDIR)/manual.depends suddenly became -include (notice the hyphen) - what does this mean? |
| 23:58.33 | kergoth | kenb: just a compile problem, i'll fix it |
| 23:58.43 | kenb | k |
| 23:58.44 | kergoth | mickeyl: - means dont abort and explode horribly if it fails to include it |
| 23:58.52 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah ok |
| 23:58.55 | kenb | Q: alternatives sytem... |
| 23:59.00 | kergoth | mickeyl: that way we can leave it there, even if we dont need it cause we fix the python deps |
| 23:59.06 | kenb | I need to make gawk replace busybox's awk symlink. |
| 23:59.15 | kergoth | kenb: not going to happen yet |
| 23:59.24 | kergoth | kenb: until I make busybox use update-alternatives for all its links |
| 23:59.29 | kergoth | which i did once, but accidentally wiped that tree |
| 23:59.29 | kenb | k |
| 23:59.46 | kergoth | kergoth@clarson:~/oz/collie$ ls -l output/ipks/|wc -l |
| 23:59.46 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.47 | kenb | so just have make install rm /bin/awk then ? |
| 23:59.50 | kergoth | yeah, for now |
| 23:59.56 | kenb | okay |
| 23:59.59 | kergoth | 338 ipks, and thats not quite a complete build |
