| 00:00.02 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 00:00.13 | JasonNJ | ljp: TI is making a linux pda |
| 00:00.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 00:00.24 | TheMasterMind1 | seems everyone is these days |
| 00:00.25 | ljp | ya, I know. |
| 00:00.49 | JasonNJ | tmm: they have been calling everyone connected to teh zaurus or handhelds.org |
| 00:01.04 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ: what about us?! |
| 00:01.10 | TheMasterMind1 | no one calls the openembedded people |
| 00:01.12 | TheMasterMind1 | damn them |
| 00:01.15 | ljp | didntr call me |
| 00:01.39 | JasonNJ | lol, at the moment they are looking for a very senior Tim Riker type. |
| 00:01.56 | JasonNJ | someone who can move to austin |
| 00:01.58 | ljp | I heard theres jr level also |
| 00:02.07 | JasonNJ | yes, there are jr level ones |
| 00:02.16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth? |
| 00:02.24 | TheMasterMind1 | he might be interested |
| 00:02.46 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno if he will move though, probably not |
| 00:02.49 | TheMasterMind1 | he just bought a new house |
| 00:02.57 | JasonNJ | he's too busy getting laid in minnesota or whatever hellhole he lives in :) |
| 00:03.11 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:03.14 | kergoth | dood, you can get laid anywhere |
| 00:03.16 | kergoth | i mean, come on |
| 00:03.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:03.31 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:03.32 | JasonNJ | thats all you have to do in minnesota, drink beer and get laid |
| 00:03.51 | kergoth | aha |
| 00:03.54 | treke | kergoth: HOWDY |
| 00:04.00 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 00:04.11 | JasonNJ | minnetonka |
| 00:04.13 | drw | JasonNJ: that's wisconsin.... |
| 00:04.16 | JasonNJ | what a fucking podunk town |
| 00:04.27 | treke | JasonNJ: its a state now |
| 00:04.46 | kergoth | i dont live in minnetonka, i live in a completely different little suburb |
| 00:04.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:04.58 | kergoth | fucking boring in the burbs |
| 00:05.17 | JasonNJ | well, in austin you can get good bbq |
| 00:05.27 | JasonNJ | and cowgirls |
| 00:05.52 | ljp | and go out in the sticks and do cow tippin |
| 00:05.52 | kergoth | yeah dave (prpplague) often says i should move down and find some texas chick |
| 00:05.55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:05.56 | treke | kergoth: and you'll never complain about the cold again |
| 00:06.16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, texan chicks.. |
| 00:06.24 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 00:06.54 | ljp | Riker was supposed to hear from TI about that job |
| 00:07.05 | kergoth | ljp: cool |
| 00:07.28 | kergoth | I'm still a kernel newbie, not qualified for such a position yet |
| 00:07.35 | kergoth | I need someone to hire me as a distribution maintainer or something |
| 00:07.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:07.56 | ljp | funny thing was _I_ got an email from a recruiter asking if I knew of people who might be interested |
| 00:08.55 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:08.59 | kergoth | wonder if ADS still needs somoene to maintain OE on their platform for their customer. waiting for an email |
| 00:09.08 | ljp | I thought of Riker |
| 00:09.08 | kergoth | short term i'm sure, but every little bit helps |
| 00:09.18 | ljp | but they will need Jr levels also. |
| 00:09.31 | JasonNJ | riker I think is going to interview for it, someone else I know is also going down there |
| 00:09.36 | JasonNJ | Juergen Kienhoefer |
| 00:09.49 | ljp | the same |
| 00:09.53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: juergen's going? cool :) |
| 00:09.55 | ljp | :) |
| 00:09.58 | JasonNJ | Juergen would be very qualified for it |
| 00:10.08 | kergoth | indeed, i've gotten that impression |
| 00:10.10 | JasonNJ | he was head of research for SCO |
| 00:10.21 | JasonNJ | guy is a phd |
| 00:10.35 | kergoth | wonder how long sco/caldera will continue to flop around before it dies |
| 00:10.40 | JasonNJ | juergen is also willing to move |
| 00:10.42 | kergoth | damn death throes |
| 00:10.44 | ljp | I'm a pud, will that help? |
| 00:10.53 | kergoth | I really need a degree |
| 00:10.55 | JasonNJ | riker has a house in salt lake city and new kids and all |
| 00:11.08 | JasonNJ | kergoth: they are overrated. |
| 00:11.11 | JasonNJ | I dont have one. |
| 00:11.27 | kergoth | I know they are, but still |
| 00:11.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:11.47 | ljp | there are tons of linux kernel driver jobs around |
| 00:12.05 | ljp | everyone wants driver writers.. no one wants gui dudes |
| 00:12.16 | JasonNJ | i hope juergen or riker gets teh job, could help us out a lot |
| 00:12.18 | kergoth | my problem is, I cant specialize |
| 00:12.35 | kergoth | I'm stuck maintaining something that requires skills in a lot of areas, so I'm mediocre at them all |
| 00:12.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:12.49 | kergoth | i like it though |
| 00:13.10 | JasonNJ | yeah, I am a generalist as well, coming from a systems integration background. |
| 00:14.00 | kergoth | problem is, its hard to find jobs that require a generally adaptive adept tech dude, they want extensive xperience in a single area |
| 00:14.09 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:14.56 | kergoth | wonder if mallum got tinyx built with tslib support yet |
| 00:15.24 | JasonNJ | I would be willing to offer my services to TI on a minimal consulting basis, to help them create a developer community |
| 00:15.42 | JasonNJ | but they would have to be willing to listen, I am not going though that shit again. |
| 00:15.50 | kergoth | heh, cant blame ya there |
| 00:16.01 | kergoth | I mean, why hire you if they're not going to listen? its pointless |
| 00:16.15 | Neo|Work | I am also in a similar boat although I have some vertical spikes here and there |
| 00:16.15 | kergoth | like a customer calling tech support yet believing they know better than we do :) if you do, why are you calling? |
| 00:16.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:16.26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:16.53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:17.00 | chouimat | back |
| 00:17.06 | ljp | hmm I never been to Podunk Wisconsin. WHere excatly is that? |
| 00:19.24 | treke | to the east of Snakenavel idaho |
| 00:19.31 | ljp | hehe |
| 00:20.01 | drw | go out past the cow pasture and turn left, drive past the pickup on the cinder blocks |
| 00:20.13 | ljp | yaaa, opieplayer compiles! woot! |
| 00:21.51 | chouimat | hmmm that was a nice movie |
| 00:22.09 | ljp | hmm might help if Ihad the skins pics |
| 00:22.19 | kergoth | chouimat: what movie? |
| 00:22.28 | kergoth | damnit, irc is sapping my productivity again |
| 00:22.33 | chouimat | the great dictator of charlie chaplin |
| 00:22.49 | ljp | damn irc! |
| 00:22.57 | ljp | ~lart irc |
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| 00:26.25 | treke | hrmm |
| 00:28.31 | chouimat | ljp: kind of heavy metal, progressive and opera stuff mix |
| 00:28.39 | ljp | opera? |
| 00:28.45 | ljp | iccck |
| 00:29.04 | Neo|Work | it's been travelling on a truck for some time now |
| 00:29.10 | chouimat | ljp: ok a mezzo-soprano as vocal |
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| 00:34.48 | chouimat | wb treke |
| 00:35.24 | treke | gtbb |
| 00:36.29 | ljp | hmm, lost the video surface.. heh. eehh who needs that anyway |
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| 01:01.05 | Neo|Work | whee, it got delivered |
| 01:02.43 | kergoth | Neo|Work: nice, new toy :) |
| 01:06.10 | Neo|Work | yeah |
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| 01:35.32 | ljp | crap |
| 01:35.41 | TheMasterMind1 | crp |
| 01:35.43 | TheMasterMind1 | crop |
| 01:35.57 | kenb | crap? |
| 01:36.11 | ljp | well, the video skins work. but no video anymore |
| 01:36.33 | ljp | taker yer choice.. skins forvideo? or video? heh |
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| 01:40.52 | ljp | hmm. ok. need to redo paintEvent |
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| 01:44.33 | nelson | JasonNJ, kergoth`bbl: OE infrastructure would be great .... if it worked for me. |
| 01:44.47 | nelson | kergoth`bbl: gonna try pulling current code. |
| 01:47.38 | nelson | JasonNJ: why are you worried about personalities? The important part of Familiar, I feel, is the base distro. Whatever you want to run on top of it is just gravy, and frankly, not my concern. |
| 01:49.57 | nelson | kergoth`bbl: yes, IRC is a big time sucker. |
| 01:50.38 | _Psycho | kergoth does the irc feed work in console ? if there is any |
| 01:57.52 | chouimat | hey _Psycho |
| 01:59.14 | _Psycho | yo chouimat |
| 01:59.34 | _Psycho | jai acheter mon wireless router pis ma carte CF linksys marche #1 c cool |
| 01:59.57 | _Psycho | jme cherche un irc en mode console pour oz la |
| 02:01.05 | chouimat | yeiazel: SHADDAP |
| 02:01.29 | chouimat | hmmm I'm feeling bitchy tonight .... |
| 02:01.32 | yeiazel | :) |
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| 02:01.43 | chouimat | ya bitchy |
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| 02:02.08 | chouimat | yeiazel: I'm feeling really bitchy :) |
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| 02:02.28 | Dessimat0r | gah.. gn |
| 02:02.31 | Dessimat0r | too tired |
| 02:02.43 | yeiazel | violence is weaks' weapon |
| 02:02.49 | chouimat | yeiazel: hehe |
| 02:02.57 | yeiazel | *take that in your face* :) |
| 02:03.19 | chouimat | yeiazel: I have nothing about you, just needed to learn how the kick command work :) |
| 02:03.40 | yeiazel | how amazing |
| 02:03.43 | yeiazel | I can't trust it |
| 02:03.43 | yeiazel | :) |
| 02:04.28 | chouimat | yeiazel: tempte moi pas |
| 02:08.58 | chouimat | yeiazel: kick his a very nice command :-P |
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| 02:34.08 | ljp | ehh, lost my inspiration |
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| 02:35.36 | chouimat | ljp: go back coding |
| 02:38.38 | ljp | no |
| 02:39.55 | chouimat | ljp: so anything new? |
| 02:40.20 | treke|home | eveningz |
| 02:40.35 | ljp | kinda, not really. just working on adding video skins to opieplayer1 |
| 02:42.17 | chouimat | ljp: trying to get a 760ED working here but since de CD is dead and I don't have a pcmcia network card installing linux is fun |
| 02:42.35 | treke|home | 760ed? |
| 02:42.40 | chouimat | thinkpad |
| 02:42.44 | treke|home | I know |
| 02:42.56 | treke|home | that are you stuck on? |
| 02:43.32 | yeiazel | you just need 3000 floppy disks :) |
| 02:43.57 | chouimat | treke: just need a network card ... will have it friday or monday or I will install warp4 on it |
| 02:44.11 | ljp | warp4? |
| 02:44.15 | chouimat | os/2 |
| 02:44.16 | treke|home | ljp: os/2 |
| 02:44.21 | ljp | ahh |
| 02:45.11 | chouimat | treke|home: but running linux with kde3 will be really cool or maybe even gnustep :) |
| 02:45.25 | treke|home | uhm you soo do want kde3 |
| 02:45.32 | treke|home | said person thinks its slow |
| 02:45.43 | treke|home | in his preferred environment |
| 02:45.46 | treke|home | twm |
| 02:46.03 | ljp | blah.. go with fluxbox! |
| 02:46.12 | chouimat | treke|home: I don't care I will only use it when I will be on site so ... or I will port opie to it :) |
| 02:46.49 | kenb | hm |
| 02:46.50 | chouimat | hehe OZ for old laptop |
| 02:49.44 | ljp | ? |
| 02:50.06 | yeiazel | chouimat: not only old |
| 02:50.31 | yeiazel | I'd love to have my computer reacting immediately :) |
| 02:52.54 | chouimat | yeiazel: bah |
| 02:54.30 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 02:55.34 | ljp | not much |
| 03:01.56 | ljp | hmmm.. who needs video anyway |
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| 03:10.25 | kergoth`bbl | yo |
| 03:10.49 | kenb | yo |
| 03:10.53 | treke|home | kergoth: |
| 03:11.05 | kenb | kergoth: how goes the road to 3.1 final ? |
| 03:11.28 | ljp | big big potholes |
| 03:11.28 | kergoth | fair bit to be done yet, I was about to add 5 more items to the todo before i left work but forgot :) |
| 03:11.36 | kergoth | I want b500, a300, and c700 working in 3.1 final |
| 03:12.25 | treke|home | that would be cool |
| 03:12.49 | kenb | k |
| 03:12.53 | kergoth | would be nice to have the ipaq support cleaned up too, but given the nature of it, it needs a longer testing cycle |
| 03:12.55 | kenb | timeline? |
| 03:13.02 | kenb | 2-3 weeks still to go? |
| 03:13.16 | _Psycho | hey kergoth, thats normal that my sd card doesnt mount ? |
| 03:13.18 | kergoth | depends, if anyone wants to help, less. otherwise its just me doing it |
| 03:13.26 | kergoth | _Psycho: i already answered this on #zaurus |
| 03:13.27 | kenb | kergoth: where is the 3.1 todo list? |
| 03:13.30 | _Psycho | my bad |
| 03:13.30 | treke|home | yeah it would cool to have ipaq support in 3.1, but people have just started testing it the past night or two |
| 03:13.47 | _Psycho | i see, cool |
| 03:13.49 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah, thats what i mean |
| 03:14.04 | _Psycho | trying to get some irc console or lync working ;) |
| 03:14.06 | _Psycho | lynx* |
| 03:14.23 | kergoth | _Psycho: irssi is in the OZ buildroot, but not in the feeds yet |
| 03:18.56 | kenb | kergoth: todo list is where? |
| 03:19.45 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TOD |
| 03:19.45 | _Psycho | ibot oz todo |
| 03:19.46 | | from memory, oz todo is http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 03:19.47 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO |
| 03:19.52 | kergoth | ah yeah, forgot about that |
| 03:19.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:20.05 | _Psycho | a trick that i learned a while back =p |
| 03:20.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:21.15 | kenb | kergoth: how much of that is targetted for 3.1? |
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| 03:21.31 | kergoth | kenb: yea yea i know, i need to structure it by what needs doing when.. |
| 03:21.37 | kergoth | actually, i think i'll do that now |
| 03:21.48 | kenb | good plan |
| 03:22.04 | kenb | if I had read/write access to the wiki, I'd have put my suggestions in |
| 03:22.21 | kergoth | you do have read/write access to the wiki |
| 03:22.22 | kergoth | its wide open |
| 03:22.30 | kenb | hm. |
| 03:22.37 | chouimat | arrrrggggg |
| 03:23.13 | kenb | so I don't have to use the SignIn box then |
| 03:23.19 | kergoth | nope, just edit the page |
| 03:24.00 | kenb | Cool |
| 03:24.08 | kenb | I'll wait till you're done organizing it first |
| 03:24.29 | kergoth | k |
| 03:26.09 | _Psycho | ah good, got lynx working ;) |
| 03:28.10 | _Psycho | damn oz.org sure crashed it good |
| 03:29.28 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:29.48 | _Psycho | there is no ctrl-c or break isnt ? |
| 03:29.57 | _Psycho | i had to ping -c earlier ;) |
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| 03:30.55 | _Psycho | not sure why slashdot work just fine |
| 03:32.40 | kergoth | no, doesnt appear to be a ctrl+c |
| 03:32.41 | kergoth | stupid lineo |
| 03:32.47 | kergoth | kenb: take a look now, its a rough draft |
| 03:32.54 | kergoth | kenb: still deciding what needs doing when |
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| 03:34.17 | JasonNJ | dead lineo |
| 03:34.55 | kergoth | that too |
| 03:35.13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/TODO <-opinion? |
| 03:35.37 | _Psycho | i thought you already has the tslib fixed ? |
| 03:35.44 | kenb | much better |
| 03:36.03 | kergoth | _Psycho: it _works_, that doesnt mean its how i want it. |
| 03:36.11 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 03:36.16 | kenb | re: * Either make busybox SUID or make it non-SUID and use the seperate tinylogin package and seperate mount from util-linux. |
| 03:36.22 | kenb | Do not make Busybox SUID |
| 03:36.29 | treke|home | kergoth: opie as a non root user might be a bit too big of a task for 3.1rc3 |
| 03:36.29 | kenb | it's a security hole waiting to happen |
| 03:36.34 | kergoth | you are aware that busybox drops perms on 90% of its modules right? |
| 03:36.37 | kergoth | read the code. |
| 03:36.44 | kergoth | but I am leaning towards the latter regardless |
| 03:36.48 | kenb | yes, but still... |
| 03:36.55 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:36.56 | chouimat | kergoth: just found a Dreamcast for 69.99 CAD |
| 03:37.06 | kergoth | treke|home: push it off for 3.1 final ya think? or farther out yet? |
| 03:37.32 | JasonNJ | kergoth: gimme time to digest it, but looks good |
| 03:37.44 | kergoth | we're nearly ready for rc3 then |
| 03:37.47 | kergoth | need more testers |
| 03:37.56 | kenb | Feed me test roms :) |
| 03:38.06 | kergoth | one problem is.. our upgrade path from anything prior to rc3 is totally hosed |
| 03:38.08 | _Psycho | im a good testers ;) |
| 03:38.09 | treke|home | kergoth: not sure. The problems I see are mostly problems with stuff like suspend not working, package manager problems, opie-cardmon |
| 03:38.10 | kergoth | due to ipkg being a piece of shit |
| 03:38.24 | treke|home | kergoth: and probably also the qtopia sd monitor thingy |
| 03:38.37 | kergoth | treke|home: sd monitor only monitors /etc/mtab, anyone can read that |
| 03:38.42 | JasonNJ | kergoth: at this point, I think backward compatability concerns simply hold us back |
| 03:38.49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: such as? |
| 03:39.03 | kergoth | nothing on that page has anything to do with compatibility |
| 03:39.10 | kergoth | those are all things that need doing going forward |
| 03:39.27 | kenb | ipkg w/md5 support will break most things anyways. |
| 03:39.33 | kergoth | kenb: eh? |
| 03:39.46 | treke|home | kenb: how? |
| 03:40.04 | kenb | well, depending on how you're implementing it.. |
| 03:40.06 | kergoth | i wonder where we should store the md5sums though, cant check them in the Packages file on the same server, as if that server is compromised they can update both the package and the sum |
| 03:40.30 | JasonNJ | kergoth: yeah, I misspoke, but still :) |
| 03:40.37 | chouimat | wow a cover of emerson lake and palmer |
| 03:40.44 | treke|home | kergoth: keep a copy on a cd |
| 03:40.47 | JasonNJ | so what is our plan with SD? |
| 03:40.48 | kenb | kergoth: unless we sign Packages |
| 03:40.50 | JasonNJ | with the 5500? |
| 03:41.06 | kenb | and include the pubkey bit as part of OZ distro |
| 03:41.07 | JasonNJ | we gonna use the old driver? |
| 03:41.13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: read the news page |
| 03:41.20 | JasonNJ | new news? |
| 03:41.23 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the part where i say DONT ASK ME ABOUT IT until after 3.1 final |
| 03:41.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:41.39 | chouimat | hehe |
| 03:41.56 | JasonNJ | dude, that didnt say "including you Jason" |
| 03:42.01 | kergoth | 2.4.19 on collie is delayed. |
| 03:42.02 | kenb | # |
| 03:42.02 | kenb | Regarding SD/MMC support for the SL-5000d and SL-5500(g) in 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1, I will be making a decision on this post-3.1 final. Please avoid contacting me regarding status on this until then. |
| 03:42.02 | kenb | # |
| 03:42.03 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 03:42.18 | kergoth | JasonNJ: s/include/especially/; |
| 03:42.20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: :P |
| 03:42.24 | kergoth | s/include/including/ |
| 03:42.24 | kergoth | bleh |
| 03:42.42 | kergoth | anyway, ipkg sucks, so the ugprade path is hosed |
| 03:42.44 | JasonNJ | the 5500 is gonna be a collectors item |
| 03:42.52 | kergoth | you cannt ipkg upgrade without shitloads of -force-overwrites |
| 03:43.10 | kergoth | until it has more intelligence anyway |
| 03:43.17 | kergoth | jamey is working on it.. but who knows how long itll take |
| 03:43.18 | treke|home | kergoth: how many people upgrade versus reflash? |
| 03:43.18 | JasonNJ | well if ipkg sucks what is our recourse then |
| 03:43.21 | chouimat | kergoth: or get ditched |
| 03:43.29 | treke|home | most seem to prefer reflashing |
| 03:43.32 | kergoth | treke|home: hopefully fe |
| 03:43.32 | kergoth | w |
| 03:43.38 | kergoth | upgrading on this device is a bitch anyway |
| 03:43.54 | kergoth | because if you upgrade libqt and libopie at runtime while they're in use, they wont be freed immediatley |
| 03:43.56 | treke|home | I dont even like upgrading familiar and it doesnt change all that much |
| 03:44.03 | kergoth | which means to upgrade you need at least like 5 fucking megs of free space |
| 03:44.14 | JasonNJ | so no more upgrades then, lets release new rom images every week. |
| 03:44.15 | kergoth | this is a general unix behavior and isnt changing |
| 03:44.24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: unstable roms will be released automatically, yes. |
| 03:44.36 | kergoth | its not a 'release' persay |
| 03:44.48 | kergoth | but they'll be available |
| 03:45.02 | kergoth | anyway, if there are any volunteers to work on any of the stuff in the todo, let me know |
| 03:45.15 | kergoth | docwhat has the samba stuff nailed down, he'll push the changesets soon |
| 03:45.27 | kergoth | and i'll take care of the busybox suid shit |
| 03:45.29 | _Psycho | im still learning too uch i think, to do something :) |
| 03:45.36 | chouimat | hehe Apple got a patent for the Trash Can Icon |
| 03:45.45 | kergoth | _Psycho: the best way to learn is trying to do something thats way over your head |
| 03:45.51 | kergoth | i've found, anyway |
| 03:46.18 | _Psycho | well i just installed gcc on my zaurus gonna try and compile stuff ;) |
| 03:46.23 | chouimat | _Psycho: or doing like every A+ in quebec university ... on your knees under the teacher desk |
| 03:46.28 | _Psycho | btw, where is the other 64megs ? :) |
| 03:46.28 | kergoth | I dont compile anything on my zaurus |
| 03:46.46 | _Psycho | i dont have my linux setup yet (my real one) |
| 03:46.49 | JasonNJ | chou: I vastly preferred the Black Hole in NextStep. |
| 03:46.50 | kergoth | _Psycho: mkdir /mnt/storage; mount /dev/mtdblock3 /mnt/storage |
| 03:47.04 | _Psycho | thanks |
| 03:47.08 | _Psycho | i hope it was not in the faq ;) |
| 03:47.08 | chouimat | JasonNJ: yup .... hmmm nextstep on a pda |
| 03:47.13 | _Psycho | i ussualy read that before |
| 03:47.19 | kergoth | _Psycho: nothing on the c700 is in the faq yet |
| 03:47.24 | treke|home | hrm, I guess I can take another look at at nonroot opie-aqpkg |
| 03:47.40 | _Psycho | i hope you drop every of my dump question in it ;) |
| 03:47.43 | kergoth | treke|home: all we need is for it to run ipkg within sudo/su |
| 03:47.48 | _Psycho | maybe i should start a faq |
| 03:47.56 | chouimat | http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/03/04.2.shtml |
| 03:47.56 | kergoth | treke|home: if its not root |
| 03:48.36 | kergoth | treke|home: not sure how to let cardmon be able to run cardctl eject though |
| 03:48.41 | treke|home | kergoth: and something similar for cardmon? |
| 03:48.41 | kergoth | hm |
| 03:48.47 | kergoth | probably |
| 03:48.49 | kergoth | sudo cardctl eject |
| 03:48.51 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 03:49.02 | _Psycho | god that was not pretty ;) |
| 03:49.02 | kergoth | or osudo |
| 03:49.07 | kergoth | we need a opie frontend to prompt for pass |
| 03:49.39 | kergoth | cardmon and aqpkg are no big deal, because they call commandline apps.. so we dont run into the /tmp qt permissions issue |
| 03:50.15 | _Psycho | wow that mount is f*cked up, i got like 2 pages of inode and some stuff at start, and the mount recovered my sd card, before my last format |
| 03:50.23 | _Psycho | nm about the sd part |
| 03:50.25 | _Psycho | still weird |
| 03:50.27 | kergoth | _Psycho: then format mtdblock3 |
| 03:50.33 | kergoth | er |
| 03:50.36 | kergoth | nevermind, its flash |
| 03:50.40 | kergoth | god i'm used to the 5000d |
| 03:50.41 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:50.42 | _Psycho | yes i know |
| 03:50.51 | kergoth | so whats the problem with the mount? is it moutned? |
| 03:50.52 | kergoth | mounted |
| 03:50.53 | _Psycho | realised that after i typed it |
| 03:50.56 | kergoth | mallum mounted his just fine |
| 03:50.57 | _Psycho | its mounted |
| 03:51.04 | kergoth | (he's testing c700 OZ too) |
| 03:51.12 | _Psycho | just got a tons of inode, and some invalid block stuff |
| 03:51.15 | kergoth | k |
| 03:51.18 | _Psycho | can i scroll back up ? |
| 03:51.18 | treke|home | kergoth: just an idea, what changing roots home directory to /home/root and adding a opie login script that symlinks /root to $USER's home directory? |
| 03:51.35 | _Psycho | like a shift-page up in console ? |
| 03:51.41 | treke|home | to deal with crappy apps that install shit to /root |
| 03:51.58 | kergoth | treke|home: ew |
| 03:51.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:52.05 | treke|home | I know, hackish |
| 03:52.15 | kergoth | i'm tempted to say let them break, they fucked up in the first place.. but.. |
| 03:52.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:52.38 | treke|home | hehe, thats what I'd prefer :) trying to think of the users though : |
| 03:52.42 | _Psycho | afterall, it mount kinda fine |
| 03:52.50 | Bala | treke: how about an app that fixes the crappy ipkg? |
| 03:53.04 | kergoth | hm, we should probably enable busybox locale support eh, given we'll be supporting japanese devices |
| 03:53.06 | treke|home | Bala: huh? |
| 03:53.15 | Bala | for apps that install to roo |
| 03:53.17 | Bala | t |
| 03:53.28 | kergoth | s/ipkg/ipks/ |
| 03:53.29 | treke|home | Bala: that doesnt work |
| 03:53.36 | kergoth | you say ipkg, your'e referring to the ipkg util itself |
| 03:53.39 | kergoth | which isnt the problem |
| 03:53.43 | Bala | ah.. my bad |
| 03:53.44 | kergoth | its the broken packages that are the problem |
| 03:53.55 | chouimat | treke|home: bala just volonteered himself to do a complete rewrite of ipkg :) |
| 03:54.00 | kergoth | yay |
| 03:54.01 | treke|home | Bala: The problem is a poorly written app is going to look in /root |
| 03:54.15 | Bala | how hard can it be? :) |
| 03:54.23 | treke|home | Bala: famous last words |
| 03:54.24 | kergoth | that sounds awfully like famous last words |
| 03:54.26 | kergoth | aha |
| 03:54.43 | chouimat | Famous last word: don't worry I can handle it |
| 03:54.51 | treke|home | y'all watch this |
| 03:55.08 | chouimat | treke|home: logging it |
| 03:55.33 | kergoth | lets seek |
| 03:55.34 | kergoth | see |
| 03:55.39 | kergoth | util-linux-fdisk, or busybox fdisk? |
| 03:55.41 | kergoth | opinions? |
| 03:55.52 | chouimat | util-linux |
| 03:55.55 | treke|home | never tried busybox's fdisk |
| 03:56.35 | kergoth | should we include 'ip'? |
| 03:56.47 | kergoth | and if so, should we patch ifupdown to use it instead of ifconfig? or keep both? |
| 03:57.07 | chouimat | diff between ifconfig and ip? |
| 03:58.44 | chouimat | brb |
| 03:59.42 | _Psycho | always used ifconfig, ip any good ? |
| 04:00.41 | treke|home | people are going to be more familiar with ifconfig in general |
| 04:02.15 | kergoth | yeah, probably include both |
| 04:02.28 | kergoth | alright, moving to seperate util-linux-mount, util-linux-fdisk, and tinylogin |
| 04:02.34 | kergoth | now, how to ensure things dont explode horribly.. |
| 04:02.47 | kergoth | when you upgrade busybox, you'll suddenly no longer have getty or login :) |
| 04:02.49 | kergoth | b00m |
| 04:03.09 | treke|home | kergoth: why util-linux-mount? |
| 04:03.20 | kergoth | treke|home: so users can mount when the users/user options are used |
| 04:03.25 | kergoth | treke|home: cause busybox wont be SUID |
| 04:03.32 | kergoth | mount needs to be for that to work |
| 04:03.38 | treke|home | kergoth: good deal :) |
| 04:04.04 | treke|home | come to think of it, I dont really like busybox much |
| 04:04.50 | chouimat | treke|home: :) |
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| 04:05.06 | treke|home | the size savings are really nice |
| 04:05.19 | treke|home | but none of the apps really feel right |
| 04:05.24 | chouimat | treke|home: I do the same on bsd with crunch |
| 04:05.38 | chouimat | treke|home: yup df don't have -T |
| 04:05.45 | _Psycho | ker, it is a bug, if i did a tar, then a df, to see the space left, then i just did a cd blahblah pressed tab then enter, my zaurus is dead, doesnt respond anymore =p |
| 04:06.03 | kergoth | _Psycho: yeah i hit that. occasionally tab completion kills the Z |
| 04:06.06 | kergoth | _Psycho: its really weird |
| 04:06.21 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 04:06.27 | _Psycho | weird indeed |
| 04:06.33 | _Psycho | i might have pressed tab + enter |
| 04:06.34 | _Psycho | not sure |
| 04:06.45 | kergoth | no, its just the tab completion |
| 04:06.54 | kergoth | happened here too |
| 04:07.03 | treke|home | chouimat: the up side is that busybox saves about 3 megs of space |
| 04:07.32 | kergoth | I need to get busybox using update-alternatives, so we can easily replace pieces of it |
| 04:08.32 | _Psycho | well i can reproduce the bug always happen with the same directory |
| 04:08.41 | kergoth | yeah, me too |
| 04:08.48 | kergoth | it happens to me when i tab complete an executable thoguh |
| 04:08.49 | kergoth | not a dir |
| 04:08.52 | kergoth | its fucking weird |
| 04:09.23 | _Psycho | ircii-20020000/ here or something |
| 04:09.30 | _Psycho | maybe its a mix of number and something like a - |
| 04:09.46 | kergoth | no, the one i'm completing is just a file |
| 04:09.48 | kergoth | 'calibrate' |
| 04:09.50 | kergoth | thats it |
| 04:09.52 | kergoth | nothing fancy |
| 04:14.29 | kergoth | okay, tinylogin in buildroot is buildable and usable again |
| 04:15.13 | _Psycho | well bed time, need sleep for work :) later |
| 04:15.42 | kergoth | night |
| 04:15.52 | kergoth | shit, i microwaved food |
| 04:15.54 | kergoth | and forgot about it |
| 04:15.57 | kenb | heh |
| 04:15.57 | kergoth | then reheated it again |
| 04:16.01 | kergoth | and forgot about _again_ |
| 04:16.01 | _Psycho | did the same earlier :) |
| 04:16.04 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:16.11 | _Psycho | new stuff i bought got me busy ;) |
| 04:16.16 | _Psycho | ok well :) |
| 04:19.41 | chouimat | <SadEagle> ROTFL.. Comment from the gcc list: |
| 04:19.41 | chouimat | [23:19:19] <SadEagle> The C++ frontend is written in K&R C with gcc extensions (talk about perverted). |
| 04:20.55 | kergoth | okay, busybox is trimmed, util-linux-mount and util-linux-fdisk are built, and so is tinylogin |
| 04:21.35 | kergoth | so rc3 is just pending the samba server |
| 04:22.47 | chouimat | kergoth: good ... I got the sh4 working ... just sended the iso to a friend for testing, while I wait for a dreamcast |
| 04:22.58 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 04:23.54 | chouimat | kergoth: will get the result by sunday :( |
| 04:24.06 | chouimat | crise que j'aime ca voix |
| 05:05.06 | chouimat | weatherbot: weatherbot cyqb |
| 05:05.51 | chouimat | weatherbot weather cyqb |
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| 08:08.25 | Twiun | hey scanline |
| 08:08.36 | scanline | hi |
| 08:19.01 | gaurdian | hahaha |
| 08:19.42 | gaurdian | Uh...just dont like walk into any airports with wires sticking out ya backpack :) |
| 08:19.59 | gaurdian | but other than that congrats |
| 08:39.47 | nofpu | my boss has this thermo-jacket thing with a web of heating elements and 2 big batteries in - they dont like that at airports :) |
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| 10:20.30 | | harlekin <~max@pD9EE0EEE.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 11h 52m 4s ago, saying: 'ibm has vacant spots in that area'. |
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| 13:07.14 | ljp | weatherbot: help |
| 13:07.15 | weatherbot | Get help on what? |
| 13:07.24 | ljp | heh duh |
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| 15:46.02 | treke|home | blegh |
| 15:46.06 | treke|home | now I find my mmc card |
| 15:46.45 | effy | ah yes, mmc cards |
| 15:47.06 | treke|home | too damn small |
| 15:47.55 | effy | I gotta send kergoth the finished doc |
| 15:49.59 | mallum | anyone know how to figure out the zaurus model via a script ? |
| 15:50.18 | effy | figure out? |
| 15:50.23 | effy | I usually just use my brain |
| 15:50.27 | effy | dunno about other people though |
| 15:50.53 | treke|home | hrm, look at the devdetect scripts in oz-base |
| 15:50.57 | XavierXeon | whats a brain ? |
| 15:51.21 | effy | hrmph, I forgot |
| 15:51.46 | effy | anyone have the link to the newest flash for the C700? |
| 15:51.54 | mallum | effy: the ipaq sets /proc/hal/model , I was wondering if the zaurus has something similar |
| 15:52.13 | effy | not sure |
| 15:52.25 | mallum | effy: cant you use your brain ? |
| 15:52.35 | treke|home | mallum: dont think you can distinguish between a 5000 and a 5500, but you should be able to tell a 5x00 from a 5600 from a c700 |
| 15:57.04 | chouimat|Zzzz | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030305&mode=classic |
| 15:57.14 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:57.25 | NetNut404_Work | ibot: toolchain |
| 15:57.26 | | [toolchain] at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains, or http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or at http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ppc/ which can be modified to work with Zaurus cross development |
| 15:58.12 | effy | what is toolchain? |
| 15:58.20 | NetNut404_Work | so is there a faq on how to set your environment to use this toolchain ? |
| 15:58.36 | NetNut404_Work | it's so you can cross compile |
| 15:58.43 | tronical | effy: combination of compiler, binutils and glibc |
| 15:59.01 | effy | cool |
| 15:59.07 | effy | for the Zaurus? |
| 15:59.12 | effy | or for cross compilation? |
| 16:00.07 | mallum | treke|home: I really just need to tell between a c700 and everything else I guess |
| 16:00.09 | NetNut404_Work | see ya mickeyl|away |
| 16:01.15 | effy | ah I see now hehe |
| 16:01.36 | treke|home | mallum: check buildroot for the devdetect scripts |
| 16:07.24 | mallum | treke|home: cool, thx |
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| 16:10.17 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
| 16:10.32 | kergoth | hey |
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| 16:13.51 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 16:16.22 | effy | yo kergoth, check your email ;) |
| 16:19.29 | effy | goodnight |
| 16:21.30 | chouimat | hi effy |
| 16:22.11 | effy | hey |
| 16:22.17 | effy | you have a C700, right? |
| 16:22.24 | chouimat | 5000d |
| 16:22.30 | effy | oh, bummer :( |
| 16:22.34 | effy | well, I gotta go to bed |
| 16:22.39 | effy | lots to do tomorrow |
| 16:22.40 | chouimat | bye effy |
| 16:22.42 | effy | night! |
| 16:22.45 | kergoth | got if effy, nice work :) i'll let you know how it goes |
| 16:23.07 | chouimat | kergoth: new doc? |
| 16:23.18 | kergoth | chouimat: effy completed the SPI sections |
| 16:23.32 | chouimat | kergoth: ok I'm waiting :) |
| 16:23.32 | kergoth | so i'll add the MMC driver to our TODO list |
| 16:23.54 | kergoth | one of the new sharp pdas still uses a locomo, dont remember if its 5600 or c700 |
| 16:23.57 | kergoth | one of them does anyway |
| 16:24.06 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:25.09 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa |
| 16:25.10 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 16:25.24 | TheMasterMind1 | good job effy |
| 16:27.13 | Twiun | Woohoo! http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/wonka/wonka.png |
| 16:27.23 | Twiun | we have indexed gif colours :) |
| 16:27.46 | kergoth | Twiun: sweet |
| 16:27.48 | kergoth | Twiun: nice work |
| 16:27.57 | kergoth`brb | meeting |
| 16:27.58 | kergoth`brb | .. |
| 16:28.58 | chouimat | Twiun: everything work |
| 16:29.00 | chouimat | ? |
| 16:29.12 | Twiun | of course not :) |
| 16:29.20 | Twiun | still lots to do |
| 16:31.53 | JasonNJ | cool. |
| 16:31.57 | JasonNJ | drugmoney. |
| 16:32.14 | chouimat | hi JasonNJ |
| 16:33.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:33.10 | kergoth | meeting canceled |
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| 16:33.18 | chouimat | kergoth: wow! quick meeting? |
| 16:33.44 | mallum | kergoth: hey, I have X working fine with tslib on c700 :-) |
| 16:33.55 | kergoth | mallum: really? |
| 16:34.06 | mallum | kergoth: yep :-) |
| 16:34.09 | kergoth | smoothh |
| 16:34.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:34.21 | JasonNJ | kewl. |
| 16:34.28 | kergoth | tslib is pretty spiffy. |
| 16:34.46 | JasonNJ | what exactly does it do? |
| 16:34.51 | mallum | kergoth: I gotta actually write the buildroot makefiles now ... |
| 16:34.57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its a central library for touchscreen access |
| 16:35.06 | Twiun | JasonNJ: obviously still lots to do, but I'll get there |
| 16:35.07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: includes variance, touchscreen jitter correction, calibration |
| 16:35.16 | JasonNJ | the standard Z doesnt use it? |
| 16:35.20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and its a single place to handle deviceisms.. i.e. differences in /dev/blahts naming |
| 16:35.24 | kergoth | no, it doesnt |
| 16:35.40 | JasonNJ | so we use Qt's? |
| 16:35.43 | mallum | kergoth: btw, usbnet seems not to work for me on c700 :( |
| 16:35.47 | kergoth | yeah, qt does its own thing |
| 16:35.57 | Twiun | badly... talk about jitter |
| 16:35.57 | kergoth | mallum: ah, does the device come up on the c700? usbd0? |
| 16:36.04 | mallum | kergoth: no |
| 16:36.05 | kergoth | Twiun: indeed |
| 16:36.17 | kergoth | mallum: ah, probably a problem with the c700 side hotplug scripts for usbd. I'm on it. |
| 16:36.25 | mallum | kergoth: cool :-) |
| 16:36.31 | Twiun | kergoth: I was starting to think of adding one to wonka. the mouse events I really slow things down |
| 16:36.44 | kergoth | Twiun: make it use tslib. or I can do it for you, its pretty easy |
| 16:36.46 | Twiun | s/I/I get/ |
| 16:37.04 | kergoth | added evas to buildroot yesterday, I want to play around with it :) |
| 16:37.13 | Twiun | kergoth: well, I get them from qt... so if qt uses tslib, there's no problem |
| 16:37.22 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:37.24 | Twiun | I'm not directly reading from the ts |
| 16:37.26 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:37.40 | mallum | kergoth: Im aiming to get these x packages working on both the zaurus and ipaq and hopefully anything else the buildroot supports |
| 16:38.00 | Twiun | kergoth: although I'll keep it in mind for when I go back to messing with direct framebuffer drawing |
| 16:38.03 | mallum | kergoth: anything with a frame buffer anyway |
| 16:38.13 | kergoth | mallum: that would be excellent. tslib gives us an easy way to abstract out the ts access to get rid of those device specifics in X itself.. what other device specifics are there? |
| 16:38.49 | mallum | kergoth: yep and it also gets rid of any specific h3600 kernel headers needed by the x src :) |
| 16:39.12 | kergoth | ew, includign those headers directly from userspace is bad policy anyway |
| 16:39.16 | mallum | kergoth: the only problem with be the key mapping , but Im pretty sure that can be solved by startup scripts |
| 16:39.31 | kergoth | mallum: well X pulls in the kernel keymap by default.. |
| 16:39.46 | kergoth | mallum: i'll be adding a startup script to load a default keymap if the default compiled in one isnt sufficient |
| 16:39.52 | kergoth | mallum: or is there more than that to deal with? |
| 16:40.06 | mallum | kergoth: no that should be it |
| 16:40.21 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:40.31 | kergoth | I'm actually swiping X's code to do that and make qt/e do that too |
| 16:40.31 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:40.41 | mallum | kergoth: I just need to find a pretty solid way of detecting which zuarus model is running |
| 16:40.59 | kergoth | mallum: we have device identification .. for scripts anyway, not for runtime c apps |
| 16:41.10 | kergoth | mallum: check out /etc/defaults/devdetect |
| 16:41.16 | mallum | kergoth: okie |
| 16:41.21 | kergoth | source it and run identify_device, then echo $device |
| 16:41.31 | kergoth | its our single place for device identification for our startup scripts |
| 16:42.22 | mallum | kergoth: cool, my image seems to be missing those |
| 16:42.32 | kergoth | really? odd |
| 16:42.38 | kergoth | i'll check into it |
| 16:42.43 | kergoth | they should be included in oz-base |
| 16:42.49 | treke | hmmm. I reckon it's time for a fresh build |
| 16:43.19 | kergoth | mallum: s/defaults/default/ |
| 16:44.05 | kergoth | i'll upload another base image shortly, with screen, strace, gdb, and tslib installed |
| 16:44.09 | kergoth | good base image for debugging |
| 16:45.43 | mallum | kergoth: is identify_device somewhere special ? |
| 16:45.55 | mallum | kergoth: I have the /etc/default/devdetect |
| 16:46.04 | kergoth | its a shell function in there |
| 16:46.07 | kergoth | source it and run it |
| 16:47.17 | mallum | doh, of course :-) |
| 16:47.33 | kergoth | hm, needs a c700 detection function yet though :) |
| 16:47.39 | kergoth | see /etc/devdetect/* |
| 16:48.27 | mallum | kergoth: also Im notice the c700 appears to sometimes just randomly lock up :( |
| 16:48.41 | chouimat | kergoth: user field? |
| 16:48.45 | mallum | kergoth: it did just then when I cd'd to /etc/dev/detect |
| 16:48.51 | kergoth | mallum: oh, i can tell you that |
| 16:48.53 | kergoth | mallum: the loickup |
| 16:48.58 | kergoth | mallum: its fucking tab complettion.. somehow |
| 16:49.02 | kergoth | mallum: i think |
| 16:49.07 | kergoth | you tab completed that dir, right? |
| 16:49.47 | kergoth | at least, mine only seems to lock on a tab complete.. and whats worse |
| 16:49.55 | kergoth | its only on a tab complete of _certain_ files or directories |
| 16:50.03 | chouimat | kergoth: what is the user field in buid parameter |
| 16:50.05 | kergoth | my /mnt/cf/calibrate binary, if i tab complete it, it dies |
| 16:50.31 | Twiun | kergoth: I used to get that when tab completing supermount drive mounts |
| 16:50.34 | kergoth | chouimat: makes the opie makefile pull a user specific opie package list |
| 16:50.42 | chouimat | ok |
| 16:50.44 | Twiun | kergoth: on my desktop |
| 16:50.45 | kergoth | chouimat: no longer necessary |
| 16:50.55 | kergoth | chouimat: it was needed when the image creation had no way to select what opie apps went in the image |
| 16:50.55 | chouimat | kergoth: remove it then :) |
| 16:51.09 | chouimat | weatherbot weather cyqb |
| 16:51.18 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 16:51.19 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -7 C (19 F), windspeed is 22.53 km/h, and visibility is 1.61 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.05 1600 UTC). |
| 16:51.20 | mallum | kergoth: yeah tab completion |
| 16:51.27 | kergoth | mallum: weird eh? |
| 16:51.46 | kergoth | i wonder if sysrq works in the hung state |
| 16:51.48 | mallum | kergoth: yeah |
| 16:51.50 | kergoth | see wtf is going on |
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| 16:54.59 | chouimat | hi MSpin Harlekin |
| 16:55.04 | chouimat | kergoth: problem? |
| 16:55.24 | Harlekin | hi chouimat |
| 16:55.46 | Harlekin | hi [^chouimat*] |
| 16:55.55 | kergoth | hey Harlekin, MSpin |
| 16:55.55 | chouimat | Harlekin: huh? |
| 16:56.06 | Harlekin | no double greet .-) |
| 16:57.27 | MSpin | hey chouimat, kergoth |
| 16:57.38 | chouimat | http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?productid=MIS-ZCRUIS |
| 16:58.09 | MSpin | kergoth: did anything come of that ADS stuff? |
| 16:58.59 | kergoth | MSpin: bounced a couple emails back and forth, then didnt have a chance to get back to them for a week or two, just replied last week, so awaiting more details on just what the customer needs, and seeing if they can get me hardware. cant exactly support a device without the device |
| 16:59.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:59.16 | MSpin | yeah, cool |
| 17:10.38 | mallum | kergoth: it just locked up when I hit the up key :( |
| 17:10.47 | mallum | kergoth: definetly no tabs |
| 17:17.41 | kergoth | mallum: what the .. |
| 17:17.55 | kergoth | keyboard driver maybe? seems related to a keypress of some sort |
| 17:18.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:21.05 | mallum | kergoth: yeah, defiently seems like the keyboard |
| 17:21.39 | kergoth | well I'll probably rewrite the keyboard driver eventually anyway |
| 17:21.48 | kergoth | this is probably something console specific, as i never saw any problems in qtopia |
| 17:21.53 | kergoth | has it hung for you in X? |
| 17:23.00 | mallum | kergoth: no, but I only run clients remotely ( not that should make much difference ) |
| 17:23.07 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:23.12 | mallum | s/I/I've/ |
| 17:23.19 | kergoth | yeah, its probably something when the keyboard is in a certain mode |
| 17:23.29 | kergoth | what mode does X open it in? MEDIUMRAW? |
| 17:23.42 | kergoth | hm i like this song. df dub - country girl |
| 17:27.53 | mallum | kergoth: Im not sure, want me to check ? |
| 17:28.40 | mallum | kergoth: yep MEDIUMRAW |
| 17:28.44 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.44 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:28.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:31.47 | kergoth | shit, stock debian kernel doesn thave jffs2 enabled, cant mount the sharp rom image |
| 17:31.50 | kergoth | grr |
| 17:32.10 | treke | because you know lots of systems use jffs2 file systems :) |
| 17:32.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:32.43 | kergoth | still :) |
| 17:35.12 | kergoth | whats normal console keyboard mode? probably unicode |
| 17:35.14 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:37.19 | mickeyl | hmm... something f*cks with my .config and changes my kernel selection from 2.4.6 to 2.4.19 - without my intervention... all the time... any idea? |
| 17:37.47 | kergoth | weird |
| 17:37.53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:37.59 | mickeyl | yeah, have to manually switch it back |
| 17:38.15 | kergoth | mickeyl: what target device is selected? |
| 17:38.19 | mickeyl | SL-5500 |
| 17:38.25 | kergoth | I locked down the kernel depends properly, you can only build the ones for the targets you're bulding |
| 17:38.28 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:38.36 | kergoth | sanity check the depends for kernel/config.in |
| 17:49.43 | ccamp | h000 |
| 17:57.07 | chouimat | I hate my life |
| 18:02.30 | HCl | o.o |
| 18:11.58 | mallum | kergoth: Im confused in the OZ package makefiles what happens when it gets to building ipkgs |
| 18:14.43 | mallum | kergoth: with the x build, it has a skeleton structure or packages, there control files and the files they should contain |
| 18:15.44 | mallum | kergoth: theres then a script that blips though and builds packages from the build tree with the skeleton structure |
| 18:16.46 | mallum | kergoth: Id sort of assumed I could just call that from the ipk: target, but looking at the Makefiles it seems they dont build ipkgs directly ? |
| 18:20.24 | mickeyl | mallum: read Rules.make |
| 18:22.59 | mallum | mickeyl: *shudder* ;-) |
| 18:23.05 | kergoth | mallum: stamp-ipk is just the path to an ipk, and %.ipk results in ipk generation |
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| 18:23.16 | kergoth | mallum: if you want to handle it manually, do so. |
| 18:23.29 | kergoth | mallum: if your .ipk has actual rules, it wont follow the catchall %.ipk |
| 18:23.41 | mallum | kergoth: cool |
| 18:25.27 | kergoth | the OZ buildroot is absolutely filled with fun make hacks |
| 18:25.30 | kergoth | and workarounds for make limitations |
| 18:25.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:26.50 | mickeyl | yet more impressive that we got so far on that base :-D |
| 18:27.01 | kergoth | agreed |
| 18:27.08 | kergoth | i'm surprised it scaled as far as it did |
| 18:31.03 | chouimat|bored | kenb: got the address :) |
| 18:31.11 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: : got the address :) |
| 18:33.11 | kenb | ? |
| 18:35.32 | chouimat|bored | kenb: tab completion error |
| 18:37.00 | kenb | I figured. |
| 18:40.45 | kergoth | why do people continually email me on how to get OZ sources? |
| 18:40.51 | kergoth | theres a damn faq on just that |
| 18:40.54 | kergoth | damn lazy users |
| 18:41.18 | mickeyl | people either can't or don't want to read. that's a damn culture thing :( |
| 18:41.26 | kergoth | yeah, sucks |
| 18:41.28 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: because they don't know how to read faq ... there is no earphone plug :) |
| 18:41.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:42.01 | kergoth | i have an idea, i should make a script |
| 18:42.16 | kergoth | that if i forward a mail to it, pipes their email into a search request in the FAQ, and replies iwth the results |
| 18:42.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:42.20 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: no ... faq.ogg :) |
| 18:42.38 | kergoth | got checking opie out from cvs takes a long time |
| 18:42.53 | kergoth | we should move unsupported intoa seperate cvs module |
| 18:42.53 | kergoth | imho |
| 18:43.19 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: keep a local copy and link it to your buildroot :) |
| 18:43.33 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: i do, but still |
| 18:44.18 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: or put a copy in buildroot bk and update it once a day |
| 18:44.31 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:45.22 | kenb | lpq? |
| 18:45.27 | kenb | wrong window |
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| 18:53.06 | kergoth | ibot: seen docwhat |
| 18:53.07 | | docwhat <docwhat@204.42.16.60> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 21h 14m 44s ago, saying: 'Gotta get back to work.'. |
| 19:00.10 | kergoth | hrm |
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| 19:15.21 | kergoth | hey cool |
| 19:15.28 | kergoth | evas's fb tester works on the c700 |
| 19:15.35 | kergoth | course its locked to 320x240, but .. :) |
| 19:16.22 | mallum | kergoth: on the makefiles, what var can I use for the current package directory ? |
| 19:16.54 | kergoth | mallum: you mean packages/blah? |
| 19:17.02 | kergoth | mallum: isnt one, $(TOPDIR)/packages/blah/ |
| 19:17.22 | mallum | kergoth: course, cool :) |
| 19:17.49 | mallum | muahahaha |
| 19:19.33 | mickeyl | you see, automake has not a very well reputation in #openembedded ... |
| 19:20.11 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 19:20.17 | kergoth | "Your system Evas Benchmark: |
| 19:20.22 | kergoth | EVAS BENCH: 0.101 |
| 19:20.23 | kergoth | " |
| 19:20.29 | kergoth | AVERAGE FPS: 6.045 fps |
| 19:20.31 | kergoth | egad man |
| 19:20.43 | kergoth | that seems awfully shitty |
| 19:20.46 | kergoth | wonder how it does on a 5x00 |
| 19:21.01 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: on waht? |
| 19:21.05 | kergoth | chouimat|bored: c700 |
| 19:21.10 | kergoth | evas is spiffy! |
| 19:21.21 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: where is evas |
| 19:21.26 | kergoth | in buildroot |
| 19:21.31 | kergoth | it includes a test app |
| 19:21.54 | kergoth | you need freetype, libjpeg, libpng, zlib for it |
| 19:22.31 | mickeyl | and it even has python bindings :-D |
| 19:23.06 | kergoth | really? |
| 19:23.11 | mickeyl | http://www.benko.sk/benko/evas |
| 19:23.31 | mickeyl | hmm... last update 4. november 2001... might not be it, though |
| 19:23.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: could be using the old api |
| 19:23.41 | kergoth | was changed |
| 19:23.45 | kergoth | but it could be updated i'm sure |
| 19:23.50 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah |
| 19:27.06 | kergoth | damn test runs indefinately |
| 19:27.11 | kergoth | but c700 cant ctrl+c in console |
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| 19:41.55 | kergoth | aha |
| 19:42.06 | kergoth | destroying fb info.. not implemented!!!! WARNING. LEAK! |
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| 20:00.07 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:00.29 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: ? |
| 20:00.40 | Dessimat0r | 'destroying fb info.. not implemented!!!! WARNING. LEAK!' |
| 20:01.10 | Dessimat0r | btw, lo chouimat ;) |
| 20:05.16 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: guess I should implement it :) |
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| 20:22.16 | chouimat | re |
| 20:30.08 | kergoth | someone here with a 5x00 running OZ want to test something for me? |
| 20:30.29 | chouimat | depends ... does my 5000d will get screwed? |
| 20:30.41 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:30.53 | chouimat | kergoth: ok then |
| 20:30.57 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/evas_1.0.0-pre5-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:31.04 | kergoth | isntall it, run evas_fb_test | tee log |
| 20:31.30 | chouimat | 15:31:06 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 20:31.50 | kergoth | oh, its 1.0.0_pre5, not -pre5 |
| 20:31.53 | kergoth | oops |
| 20:35.20 | chouimat | kergoth: need freetype6 |
| 20:35.32 | kergoth | chouimat: should be in unstable |
| 20:35.48 | mallum | kergoth: whats that magic make SUBDIR="xxxx" option you keep telling me and I keep fogetting ? |
| 20:36.25 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg mrproper |
| 20:36.27 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 20:36.32 | kergoth | SUBDIRS specifies what packages to operate on |
| 20:36.44 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg-x86 packages/ipkg" binary |
| 20:36.45 | kergoth | etc |
| 20:36.49 | Dessimat0r | EVA Unit 01, launch! |
| 20:36.50 | mallum | cools missing the 's' |
| 20:40.35 | chouimat | kergoth: bus error |
| 20:40.49 | kergoth | chouimat: bus error? |
| 20:40.55 | kergoth | works flawlessly here.. hmm |
| 20:41.10 | kergoth | are you on latest libpng3, libjpeg62, zlib1g, libfreetype6 from unstable? |
| 20:41.23 | chouimat | kergoth: using rc2 |
| 20:41.54 | kergoth | ah, maybe a lib changes |
| 20:41.56 | kergoth | cahnged |
| 20:41.57 | kergoth | changed |
| 20:42.32 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe |
| 20:43.38 | chouimat | kergoth: nope they re the same |
| 20:44.27 | chouimat | ok I will go back on that boring contract |
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| 20:48.09 | noda | Moo! |
| 20:48.40 | noda | Hey, does anybody have any CLUE what a "point protector" is (in the context of graphing experimental data using Excel) |
| 20:49.08 | chouimat | nope |
| 20:49.30 | noda | Hrm. I'm guessing it's the dot on each data point. |
| 20:50.16 | noda | Sheesh. My Engineering Physics "spreadsheet assignment" could've been written by The Microsoft Evangelism Group (if such a group exists, and it probably does) |
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| 20:50.46 | chouimat | why everything I did for the last 3 weeks crash in my face? |
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| 21:39.25 | NetNut404_Work | but I guess that's a whole different thing huh? |
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| 21:45.41 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Moo |
| 21:45.46 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 21:48.56 | noda | This stupid "Excel Assignment"... without Excel :) |
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| 22:15.35 | Dessimat0r | Microsoft Evangelion Group (M$ EVA-01) |
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| 23:11.38 | scribe | Hey guys, I'm trying to build the latest buildroot again and am having some troubles |
| 23:11.53 | scribe | I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction: |
| 23:12.21 | scribe | /bin/sh: line 1: /space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-oz/output/staging/i386-linux/bin/ipkg-build: No such file or directory |
| 23:12.21 | scribe | make[2]: *** [/space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/kernel-modules-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix_20020910-2_arm.ipk] Error 127 |
| 23:12.35 | kergoth | scribe: make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg-x86; |
| 23:14.14 | scribe | [scribe@troyslaptop buildroot-oz]$ make SUBDIRS=packages/ipkg-x86; |
| 23:14.14 | scribe | make package |
| 23:14.14 | scribe | make[1]: Entering directory `/space/home/scribe/src/buildroot-oz' |
| 23:14.14 | scribe | make[1]: Nothing to be done for `package'. |
| 23:15.11 | scribe | [scribe@troyslaptop buildroot-oz]$ ls output/staging/i386-linux/bin/ |
| 23:15.11 | scribe | glib-genmarshal gzip libtool libtoolize pkg-config |
| 23:17.04 | kergoth | you didnt enable ipkg-x86. |
| 23:17.11 | kergoth | make menuconfig |
| 23:17.17 | kergoth | packages->host build tools->ipkg-x86 |
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| 23:17.58 | NetNut404_work | mmmm gig of ram in my work pc now :) |
| 23:18.02 | scribe | kergoth |
| 23:18.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:18.11 | scribe | kergoth: i actually did look there :) |
| 23:18.12 | scribe | sorry |
| 23:18.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:18.16 | scribe | and there is nothing like that |
| 23:18.22 | kergoth | what are you talking about? |
| 23:18.44 | kergoth | "ipkg for build system" |
| 23:18.49 | kergoth | seems self explanatory |
| 23:19.08 | scribe | kergoth: well, maybe I did something wrong. I was following the faq again, and there was no def-configs/openzaurus to copy |
| 23:19.16 | kergoth | yes i know, it was moved. |
| 23:19.21 | kergoth | def-configs/collie-opie |
| 23:19.29 | kergoth | the faq will be updated when i have time. |
| 23:19.31 | kergoth | i have a lot of shit to do |
| 23:19.48 | scribe | so instead, I: cp def-configs/individuals/kergoth-build .config |
| 23:20.02 | scribe | thought maybe that would be my best shot |
| 23:20.14 | kergoth | make menuconfig is your friend. |
| 23:20.14 | kergoth | use it. |
| 23:20.23 | kergoth | those configs in general are starting points |
| 23:20.27 | scribe | ok, I'm still looking |
| 23:20.32 | scribe | build parameters |
| 23:20.37 | scribe | er, sorry |
| 23:20.37 | scribe | packages |
| 23:20.43 | kergoth | packages->host build tools |
| 23:20.46 | kergoth | lke i said 5 minutes ago |
| 23:20.54 | scribe | I know! :) but I didn't see it. |
| 23:20.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:21.07 | scribe | looking in host build tools |
| 23:21.15 | scribe | how far down is it on yours? |
| 23:21.22 | kergoth | its one of the top items. |
| 23:21.25 | kergoth | ipkg for build system. |
| 23:21.34 | kergoth | aha i know what you're running into |
| 23:21.41 | kergoth | you cant build ipkg without pkg-config, autoconf, and automake. |
| 23:21.43 | kergoth | enable them |
| 23:21.51 | kergoth | i'll upate the config to show you message telling you to do so |
| 23:21.55 | kergoth | forgot about that |
| 23:22.43 | scribe | ok, chunkin' away again! thanks so much. |
| 23:23.06 | kergoth | np |
| 23:25.04 | scribe | kergoth: sorry to keep buggin you. |
| 23:25.15 | scribe | it seems to be trying to build 2.4.19 kernel |
| 23:25.19 | scribe | which it can't find |
| 23:25.20 | kergoth | dont enable 2.4.19 then |
| 23:25.32 | kergoth | packages->kernels and moduels |
| 23:25.34 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 23:26.17 | scribe | sorry, dumb question. should've assumed there was an option. |
| 23:26.57 | *** join/#openembedded ljp (~ljp@tq0207.peakpeak.com) |
| 23:27.11 | scribe | but I'm excited about that! Have you got it compiled and working? |
| 23:27.24 | scribe | I know I'm not supposed to ask about mmc/sd :) |
| 23:27.42 | kergoth | everything works but TS and sdmmc |
| 23:27.52 | kergoth | and I can have TS worked aroudn fairly easily |
| 23:28.10 | scribe | I'm excited cuz I think bluez is in the kernel in .19 |
| 23:29.16 | scribe | great! I'm really looking forward to 3.1 |
| 23:29.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:29.48 | kergoth | bluez isnt in kernel in 2.4.19 |
| 23:29.55 | kergoth | but bluez is in our buildroot |
| 23:29.57 | kergoth | and 3.1 wont include 2.4.19 |
| 23:29.59 | kergoth | please read the news page. |
| 23:30.21 | treke | the bluez kernel stuff isnt in buildroot yet |
| 23:30.43 | kergoth | just the utils? |
| 23:30.52 | treke | just the libraries, utils, and soon sdp |
| 23:30.55 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:31.04 | treke | the kernel stuff probably wouldnt be difficult |
| 23:31.18 | treke | I just havent done it since I doubt it would even work on the ipaq :) |
| 23:31.26 | kergoth | why? |
| 23:32.34 | treke | kergoth: Just the impression I've gotten of the various ipaq drivers |
| 23:35.42 | scribe | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/BluetoothHowto |
| 23:37.27 | scribe | kergoth: does any mail client you have running actually support imaps (secure imap) / |
| 23:37.28 | scribe | ? |
| 23:37.33 | kergoth | no |
| 23:38.00 | ljp | yo |
| 23:38.12 | kergoth | except maybe mutt :) |
| 23:39.17 | scribe | :) bummer |
| 23:46.15 | mallum | kergoth: is the buildroot x86 ipkg-build different to the usual version ? |
| 23:50.53 | kergoth | mallum: its identical to the arm build with the possible exception of what patches are applied, and the architecture its built for |
| 23:54.34 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, this what Im getting - with buildroot ipkg : |
| 23:54.38 | mallum | output/staging/i386-linux/bin/ipkg-build -o root -g root packages/xfree86/tmp /tmp |
| 23:54.38 | mallum | ar: /home/mallum/src/OZ/buildroot-oz//tmp/xserver-tiny-h3600_4.3-0_arm.ipk: No such file or directory |
| 23:54.46 | mallum | and with mine |
| 23:54.57 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:54.59 | mallum | mallum@debian:~/src/OZ/buildroot-oz$ ipkg-build packages/xfree86/tmp /tmp |
| 23:54.59 | mallum | Packaged contents of packages/xfree86/tmp into /tmp/xserver-tiny-h3600_4.3-0_arm.ipk |
| 23:55.02 | kergoth | ipkg-build is a shell script man |
| 23:55.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:55.46 | mallum | yeah I thought it was - I wasn't sure if it had eveolved into c |
| 23:56.04 | kergoth | nah, still shell |
| 23:56.09 | kergoth | hm, i wonder if ipkg woiuld let me do.. |
| 23:56.27 | kergoth | Depends: kernel-image (>=2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix), kernel-image (<2.4.18-rmk7-pxa4) |
| 23:56.33 | kergoth | er <<, not < |
| 23:56.52 | kergoth | then i could use the same modules even given changes to the revision, but not the base version |
| 23:56.56 | kergoth | ehh |
| 23:58.11 | scribe | hey guys, I'm trying to enable Qt/Embedded in menuconfig, but it depends on other libraries that depend on libtool. libtool is enabled in my build system, but I'm guessing that it needs libtool for the arm, or something? |
| 23:58.43 | kergoth | no, you guess wrong |
| 23:58.46 | kergoth | it needs more than just libtool |
| 23:58.48 | kergoth | you're missing something |
| 23:58.55 | mallum | kergoth: hmm the buildroot ipkg-build seems to think the root dir is the root of the buildroot |
| 23:59.00 | scribe | it gives a list of stuff |
| 23:59.06 | scribe | but one thing is libjpeg |
| 23:59.09 | mallum | kergoth: thats whats tripping me up I think |
| 23:59.14 | scribe | and libjpeg says it needs libtool |
| 23:59.29 | kergoth | mallum: ? root dir of what? |
| 23:59.42 | kergoth | scribe: why dont you just use def-cofnigs/collie-opie like i told you earlier? |
| 23:59.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:59.58 | scribe | kergoth: I must have missed that suggestion. |
