| 00:00.14 | gtr | for binary dbs there should be a plugin |
| 00:01.07 | treke|home | cvs for syncing? |
| 00:01.21 | treke|home | someone might want to have gtr's head checked out |
| 00:01.30 | gtr | i don't think there's an algorithm out for syncing them without wisdom 'bout their contents |
| 00:02.07 | treke|home | gtr: theres no way to sync text files without knowing their contents either |
| 00:02.30 | gtr | treke|home you can diff and get perhaps smth useful |
| 00:03.12 | treke|home | you cant maybe get something useful. you could also damage the contents of the file if its gets synced wrong. |
| 00:03.15 | gtr | treke|home and for contacts and calendar it should work well |
| 00:03.27 | kergoth | anyone looked into syncml at all? pb_ ? |
| 00:04.03 | treke|home | gtr: assume a line like <contact firstname="Greg" lastname='Gilbert'> |
| 00:04.21 | treke|home | gtr: if on my ipaq I change that to <contact firstname="Gerg" lastname="Gilbert"> |
| 00:04.38 | treke|home | and on my desktop I change it to <contact firstname="Gregory" lastname="Gilbert"> |
| 00:04.44 | treke|home | you cant automatically reconcile that |
| 00:04.55 | treke|home | cvs will just throw an error |
| 00:05.23 | gtr | treke|home i know, was my first idea to getting a wroking synch mechanism for me |
| 00:05.50 | treke|home | unison does a very nice job though |
| 00:05.59 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah, I looked at syncml some. It's strewn around with patents, and at the time it didn't have much takeup. |
| 00:06.02 | gtr | treke|home cause i tend to sync often and change not ften |
| 00:06.03 | treke|home | much better than CVS would do :) |
| 00:06.09 | pb_ | kergoth: the latter has probably changed by now; this was 6-9 months ago I guess. |
| 00:06.30 | gtr | treke|home I'll give it a try the next days |
| 00:06.35 | kergoth | pb_: gotcha, I hadnt lookd into it yet, thought about it the other day |
| 00:07.00 | pb_ | kergoth: the fact that you need to license patents to implement it was pretty much a killer issue for me. |
| 00:08.35 | treke|home | gtr: Unison can at least handle deleting files and moving them properly and without hassle |
| 00:08.40 | DocWhat | kergoth: okay, the situation with passwords sucks... |
| 00:08.49 | kergoth | pb_: didnt know that, that blows. we need an open sync standard |
| 00:09.04 | kergoth | DocWhat: elaborate |
| 00:09.11 | kergoth | maltry that image? |
| 00:09.16 | kergoth | er |
| 00:09.19 | kergoth | god i'm lagged |
| 00:09.22 | gtr | treke|home i got today a z running in my favor, now i can begin to try it out |
| 00:09.28 | DocWhat | kergoth: If you have encrypt passwords set to yes (so it works with Win98 and better) then you must have an smbpasswd file. This means managing users and passwords in two places. |
| 00:09.34 | kergoth | mallum took off, heh |
| 00:09.39 | kergoth | grr |
| 00:09.50 | kergoth | DocWhat: ah, right. hrm |
| 00:10.03 | DocWhat | kergoth: A cheap-ass solution could be to create a "OZ" user ("Dorthy"?) and set a password on initial startup. |
| 00:10.13 | kergoth | DocWhat: we could teach the opie user manager to hack on both |
| 00:10.22 | DocWhat | Or use a *shudder* default passwd |
| 00:10.22 | kergoth | DocWhat: thats the plan. i want a sane default user out of hte box |
| 00:10.40 | DocWhat | that'd be neat. What do you want for the interm? |
| 00:10.42 | kergoth | we need a opie 'first boot' wizard |
| 00:10.58 | DocWhat | That'd be cool |
| 00:10.59 | kergoth | DocWhat: use encyprt passwords, i'll deal with the implementation issues later if need be |
| 00:11.10 | DocWhat | Do you want a default smbpasswd? |
| 00:11.28 | treke|home | rootme! |
| 00:11.34 | kergoth | ~lart treke|home |
| 00:11.45 | DocWhat | I can leave the passwd empty for the default user and not allow samba to accept empty passwds. |
| 00:11.47 | kergoth | DocWhat: no, make it generate it from passwd in the postinst |
| 00:11.50 | DocWhat | ~lart treke|home |
| 00:11.57 | DocWhat | kergoth: Can't. |
| 00:11.58 | kergoth | DocWhat: for the most part, follow debianisms if you can |
| 00:12.01 | kergoth | why? |
| 00:12.15 | DocWhat | kergoth: You can't "unencrypt" the passwds from /etc/passwd. |
| 00:12.19 | kergoth | DocWhat: i know. |
| 00:12.22 | DocWhat | kergoth: Different encryption. |
| 00:12.22 | kergoth | er |
| 00:12.32 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:12.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:12.35 | DocWhat | kergoth: I can copy users from it... |
| 00:12.36 | treke|home | switch to pam :) |
| 00:12.45 | DocWhat | ~lart treke|home |
| 00:12.48 | gtr | or shadow suite |
| 00:12.49 | kergoth | DocWhat: smbpasswd doesnt use md5? |
| 00:12.51 | DocWhat | treke|home: Even that doesn't work. |
| 00:13.02 | kergoth | DocWhat: or does it use crypt? |
| 00:13.02 | DocWhat | kergoth: let me check. |
| 00:13.07 | treke|home | DocWhat: eh? Samba can use your system passwd iirc |
| 00:13.22 | kergoth | would be nice if it would.. |
| 00:13.44 | gtr | there's an option, which i don't now atm, which enables it |
| 00:13.59 | DocWhat | kergoth: No, it uses something else. Something Microsoftish. |
| 00:14.20 | gtr | unix password sync |
| 00:14.25 | DocWhat | treke|home: You can use pam if and only if you do a lot of pam work. |
| 00:14.38 | kergoth | PAM? ewwww |
| 00:14.42 | kergoth | we're _not_ going to use pam in oz |
| 00:14.44 | DocWhat | treke|home: I've never gotten it to work, ever. |
| 00:14.56 | kergoth | PAM makes great sense on a desktop, and i love it there |
| 00:14.59 | kergoth | but not on my pda |
| 00:14.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:15.21 | treke|home | kergoth: bah I say |
| 00:15.22 | treke|home | bah |
| 00:15.25 | gtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.25 | gtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.25 | gtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.36 | gtr | seen in man smb.conf |
| 00:15.42 | DocWhat | gtr: Doesn't work if you have encrypt passwords set to yes. |
| 00:15.53 | kergoth | heh, thats stupid |
| 00:15.53 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 00:16.02 | kergoth | it could use normal passwd check mechanisms, not pam |
| 00:17.14 | DocWhat | gtr: Actually, that does the opposite of what we want. It sets the unix passwd, when the smbpasswd changes. |
| 00:17.30 | kergoth | right, for passwd changes via the client.. thtat we dont want |
| 00:17.39 | DocWhat | gtr: So that would work if we encrypt passwords...but isn't productive, unless we do all passwd changes via an smb client. |
| 00:17.52 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:17.54 | gtr | DocWhat you're right |
| 00:18.25 | kergoth | bleh, ipkg uses libget for basename and dirname, thats a glibcism |
| 00:18.34 | treke|home | or wrap passwd around smbpasswd |
| 00:19.13 | DocWhat | treke|home: samba *calls* passwd...that'd be bad, can you say loop, infinate. |
| 00:19.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:19.35 | treke|home | patch samba to use passwd.real |
| 00:19.43 | treke|home | or something :) |
| 00:19.54 | DocWhat | Plus, I'm not sure that smbpasswd will obey that behavior.. |
| 00:20.10 | gtr | or make passwd verification throug unix |
| 00:20.11 | DocWhat | It might. |
| 00:20.21 | kergoth | samba should just be made to auth using unix methods |
| 00:20.28 | kergoth | i dont see why it doesnbt have that option anyway |
| 00:20.29 | treke|home | kergoth: cant |
| 00:20.34 | pb_ | kergoth: it can't, with encrypted passwords enabled. |
| 00:20.34 | kergoth | why/ |
| 00:20.39 | treke|home | kergoth: The problem is that NT sends an encrypted password |
| 00:20.49 | DocWhat | kergoth: It can, but then it won't work with encrypted passwords, needed by NT, XP, and Win98 and up. |
| 00:20.50 | kergoth | treke|home: ah |
| 00:20.50 | pb_ | kergoth: windows and unix use different encryption schemes, both one-way. |
| 00:20.51 | gtr | pb_ why it can't? |
| 00:21.00 | kergoth | well then, that explains it |
| 00:21.02 | DocWhat | gtr: One-way encryption. |
| 00:21.05 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 00:21.13 | DocWhat | gtr: You can encrypt it, but you can't decrypt it. |
| 00:21.35 | DocWhat | gtr: To see if a password is right, you encrypt it, and compare the encrypted stuff against the known encrypted password. |
| 00:21.35 | gtr | DocWhat OK, You're right, salt and pepper and so on |
| 00:21.51 | DocWhat | gtr: Yeah, and windows uses their own flavor. :-/ |
| 00:22.08 | DocWhat | We could just take the smbpasswd crypting function and use it for /etc/passwd.... |
| 00:22.19 | gtr | DocWhat sorry, it's 1:25 am here and i'm a little tired |
| 00:22.23 | kergoth | hah, thats just sick |
| 00:22.24 | pb_ | kergoth: the thing to do would be to treat smbpasswd as just an "alternate shadow" file, and update it whenever the main passwd file changes. |
| 00:22.43 | DocWhat | pb_: Yeah....wait, that almost sounds like PAM! |
| 00:22.44 | pb_ | i.e. patch /bin/passwd to either update it directly, or call smbpasswd to do so |
| 00:23.02 | treke|home | DocWhat: it is sort of. just not as big |
| 00:23.09 | treke|home | pam is way more general :) |
| 00:23.20 | gtr | sync between smbpasswd and passwd or pam |
| 00:23.32 | kergoth | pam's buildsystem is an absolute bitch. i gave up trying toc rosscompile it |
| 00:23.33 | DocWhat | pb_ can we be sure that passwords are changed outside of the passwd program? |
| 00:23.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:23.56 | gtr | DocWhat no |
| 00:24.23 | pb_ | DocWhat: are not changed, you mean? well, in a relatively closed environment like OE, you can probably just stipulate that it isn't allowed. |
| 00:24.45 | kergoth | well |
| 00:24.49 | pb_ | it's not as if passwords getting out of sync would be a world-ending catastrophe, just an annoyance. |
| 00:24.54 | kergoth | we jsut make all user management apps update both |
| 00:24.56 | kergoth | right |
| 00:24.58 | gtr | what systems aren't able to use pam? |
| 00:25.07 | kergoth | we make an FAQ on what to do if they're out of sync cause the user updated pwith passwd |
| 00:25.09 | DocWhat | kergoth: I'll set up a brain dead minimum for the moment, then we can add this other stuff later. |
| 00:25.18 | kergoth | DocWhat: k |
| 00:25.39 | DocWhat | I'm going to finish this tomorrow, all the code pages are missing from the ipk. |
| 00:25.46 | treke|home | gtr: the thing with pam is that it's an overly complex system for a limited environment |
| 00:26.11 | DocWhat | kergoth: You get my ssh key? |
| 00:26.13 | treke|home | we dont need to be able to authenticate against a dozen different sources simultaneously |
| 00:26.27 | DocWhat | treke|home: Yeah, only a half dozen or so. |
| 00:26.32 | treke|home | hwhw |
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| 00:26.52 | DocWhat | treke|home is off the homerow. |
| 00:27.03 | gtr | could be a target |
| 00:27.40 | gtr | but for the moment it sounds better to have a passwd, which generates a smbpasswd too |
| 00:27.54 | gtr | is smb is installed |
| 00:28.06 | kergoth | DocWhat: yeazh, you have push access, just bk push it |
| 00:28.19 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:28.34 | DocWhat | Do I need to increment revision levels before a beta rolls out? |
| 00:28.40 | kergoth | DocWhat: openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot is the parent |
| 00:28.41 | DocWhat | I need to make a minor change to vim. |
| 00:28.49 | kergoth | yes, increment revision |
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| 00:29.04 | kergoth | otherwise the new ipk wont be seen by the user, it wont upgrade |
| 00:29.21 | DocWhat | okay. |
| 00:29.38 | DocWhat | my real question was, do we care before we do releases? |
| 00:30.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:30.31 | kergoth | the unstable feed shows new packages prior to any release |
| 00:30.32 | DocWhat | But since BK has changesets, It's fine to require revision bumps every time. |
| 00:30.38 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:30.42 | DocWhat | kergoth: true, didn't think of that. |
| 00:31.10 | DocWhat | You mean ':' not '/' in the uri, right? |
| 00:31.14 | DocWhat | yeah, that works. |
| 00:31.40 | DocWhat | okay, I'll see y'all tomorrow. |
| 00:32.10 | kergoth | later |
| 00:40.19 | gtr | kergoth i'd like to participate in building oz, do you see a spot, where i can be helpfull? |
| 00:41.53 | kergoth | gtr: you can pull down our buildsystem and play around, see what you'd like to do, or you can read our TODO list and see if anyting looks like somethign you'd like to do |
| 00:43.02 | gtr | kergoth buildsystem is the unstable tree? |
| 00:43.16 | kergoth | ibot: oz bk |
| 00:43.17 | | oz bk is probably bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 00:43.23 | kergoth | gtr: ^^ |
| 00:43.30 | kergoth | ibot: bitkeeper |
| 00:43.30 | | from memory, bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 00:44.17 | gtr | where do i find the todos? |
| 00:44.33 | kergoth | openembedded.org |
| 00:44.49 | gtr | k, searched in the wrong place |
| 00:45.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:45.30 | kergoth | the OZ todo probably belongs on openzaurus.org, but we dont have a wiki on openezaurus.org yet |
| 00:45.39 | kergoth | s/ezaurus/zaurus/ |
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| 00:53.09 | gtr | I#ve to get some sleeep now, cu again |
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| 00:56.25 | effy-kun | kergoth: I finished the document this weekend. I will be sending it later today |
| 00:58.10 | kergoth | effy-kun: great, i looked it over real quick, looks very good.. i'llgive you further comments when i actually find the time to start ont he MMC driver :) |
| 01:06.23 | effy-kun | whoever wrote it was pretty thorough. however their language usage was rather strange sometimes hehe. |
| 01:06.42 | effy-kun | Japanese have got to be about the most thorough people in the world |
| 01:14.45 | chouimat|simpson | hey effy-kun |
| 01:16.04 | chouimat|simpson | effy-kun: do you plan to translate the complete doc? |
| 01:17.14 | effy-kun | chouimat: I may do it.... |
| 01:17.18 | effy-kun | how much money you got? |
| 01:17.19 | effy-kun | ;) |
| 01:17.45 | chouimat|simpson | effy-kun: not much :) |
| 01:22.49 | effy-kun | I wouldnt mind doing some moonlighting as a translator of tech docs. |
| 01:23.09 | effy-kun | just something to bring in a little money and help my Japanese |
| 01:24.17 | effy-kun | it was kinda cool hanging out in Starbucks, sitting on a nice sofa, drinking coffee and having more to do than just watch the hunnies walk by ;) |
| 01:25.54 | chouimat|simpson | hehe |
| 01:29.00 | effy-kun | not that I don't like it ;) |
| 01:29.32 | chouimat|away | effy-kun: I think I will got to club more often but you know after some times you get bored |
| 01:31.07 | effy-kun | yeah, true, hehe |
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| 01:41.24 | NetNut404_Home | anyone here use znetbackup ? |
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| 02:13.57 | effy-kun | chouimat: think I could get Sharp USA to pay me to translate docs? hehe |
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| 03:29.33 | effy-kun | LOL |
| 03:29.47 | effy-kun | theOnion: Report: Al-Qaeda |
| 03:29.47 | effy-kun | May Be Developing |
| 03:29.47 | effy-kun | 'Dirty Soldier' |
| 03:41.05 | chouimat|busy | effy-kun: theonion : our news are more accurate then CNN |
| 03:43.00 | effy-kun | hehe |
| 03:43.55 | kergoth | hmm, binutils ./configure from within buildroot on cygwin fails, binutils ./configure from outside buildroot succeeds |
| 03:48.23 | kergoth | question is, which env var is killing it |
| 03:49.14 | shinote | Say, is there a way to get buildroot without bitkeeper? |
| 03:49.20 | shinote | (aside from openzaurus.org/snapshot, which doesn't work) |
| 03:49.25 | kergoth | snapshots are available, but they're old, havent been updated |
| 03:49.40 | kergoth | 'doesnt work' doesnt say much. but regardless its months old |
| 03:49.45 | kergoth | I can update it |
| 03:49.47 | shinote | Yeah, the patches don't match against the things it downloads. |
| 03:50.12 | kergoth | not surprising, half the debian patches we pull probably dont exist anymore (the ones from that old tree) |
| 03:50.22 | shinote | I'd just like to test if my wireless card works again. |
| 03:50.28 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:50.36 | kergoth | why not just ask what card it is, and i'll tell you. |
| 03:50.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:50.38 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 03:50.49 | kergoth | chouimat: snapshots arent being updated |
| 03:50.52 | shinote | It worked in 3.0, failed in rc1, rc2. I'll try again. It's a dlink dcf-650. |
| 03:51.12 | kergoth | shinote: define 'failed' |
| 03:52.02 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:52.02 | chouimat | :) |
| 03:52.23 | shinote | Upon insert, card is misidentified as "Zcom XI300". Upon removal, system hangs. |
| 03:52.33 | kergoth | shinote: misidentification is irrelevent. |
| 03:52.43 | kergoth | shinote: has nothing to do with operation, it loads the same module |
| 03:52.48 | shinote | Ok, but in 3.0, it printed the right name. |
| 03:52.53 | kergoth | right, who cares |
| 03:53.00 | kergoth | certainly not i |
| 03:53.08 | kergoth | it hangs when you hit eject in opie, right? |
| 03:53.17 | shinote | Yes.... |
| 03:53.18 | kergoth | thats a documented, known, bug that has _nothing_ to do with what card you're using |
| 03:53.27 | treke|home | hey kergoth question. How do you handle multiple tasks in bitkeeper. Do you create a different tree for each one like ( one for bluez, one for nonroot opie, one for 2.4.19)? |
| 03:53.40 | kergoth | and the workaround is to physically yank the card without ejecting |
| 03:53.44 | kergoth | treke|home: yep, i have 13 trees |
| 03:53.48 | treke|home | and parent them all to something like buildroot-greg |
| 03:53.57 | kergoth | treke|home: sinc ei need seperate build/ dirs for say c700, ipaq, etc |
| 03:54.08 | shinote | So, I just have to use 3.0 until it's fixed? Or is there something newer than 3.1rc2? |
| 03:54.11 | kergoth | treke|home: yep, then i push/pull between them and top tree, and use that one as the gatekeeper to upstream |
| 03:54.16 | treke|home | seems space hungry, but hey hard drives are cheap :) |
| 03:54.25 | kergoth | shinote: um, are you blind or what? you cant see the workaroudn i just typed? jesus |
| 03:54.35 | kergoth | shinote: it'll be fixed when its fixed. |
| 03:54.48 | kergoth | given my TODO contains nearly 60 items, we'll see |
| 03:54.55 | shinote | Physically yanking hangs up. |
| 03:55.03 | kergoth | shinote: then you're fucked. |
| 03:55.08 | kergoth | its not fixed. |
| 03:55.20 | kergoth | why are users unable to use the bug tracking system? |
| 03:55.22 | kergoth | it exists for a reason |
| 03:55.28 | treke|home | kergoth: beats me |
| 03:55.32 | treke|home | laziness I guess |
| 03:55.37 | kergoth | yeah, must be |
| 03:55.43 | shinote | Maybe if you could add a response to the bug, saying that it's not expected to be fixed for a while. |
| 03:55.52 | kergoth | shinote: eh? if the bug is open, its not fixed. |
| 03:55.55 | kergoth | shinote: if its closed, its fixed. |
| 03:56.02 | kergoth | shinote: its not that difficult to understand |
| 03:56.03 | shinote | The BTS says "should be fixed in rc2", but it's not. |
| 03:56.12 | kergoth | who gives a shit? |
| 03:56.15 | kergoth | it says _should_ for one |
| 03:56.18 | kergoth | and the bug is still open |
| 03:56.21 | kergoth | which means, its not fixed. |
| 03:56.25 | kergoth | if it was, it'd be closed. |
| 03:56.29 | treke|home | shinote: if it was fixed in rc2 it would be closed |
| 03:56.54 | shinote | So, if I'd like to look at the code myself, is there a way to get it without BK? |
| 03:56.57 | kergoth | I'm not going to sit and go through adding comments saying 'nope, still not fixed' |
| 03:57.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:57.12 | kergoth | shinote: we just had this conversation |
| 03:57.17 | kergoth | shinote: at least I did, maybe you didnt read it. |
| 03:57.26 | shinote | And the answer was "no". |
| 03:57.29 | kergoth | bullshit |
| 03:57.35 | kergoth | I said I could update the snapshot |
| 03:57.38 | kergoth | you didnt answer |
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| 03:57.40 | kergoth | so i wont |
| 03:58.10 | kergoth | scanline: ping |
| 03:58.22 | shinote | Ok, is the FAQ on openzaurs wrong? The one that says "automatically updated snapshot"? |
| 03:58.24 | treke|home | kergoth: its funny, I wrote a support request system from work, the official policy is that all requests need to go through it, the president of the school sent an email to that effect. Everyone who uses it loves it, yet some people still too special to use it. Then they get annoyed when a job gets missed because we didnt see some email they sent at the busiest part of the day :) |
| 03:58.37 | kergoth | treke|home: hah, not exactly surprising |
| 03:58.40 | kergoth | shinote: it was updated. |
| 03:58.44 | kergoth | shinote: and then it broke. |
| 03:59.10 | kergoth | the one that says "automatically updated snapshot" was correct at the time, but no longer is.. because .. its broken |
| 03:59.34 | shinote | Ok. Might be nice to change the faq then. Guess I must go find BK. |
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| 04:00.01 | kergoth | shinote: okay, then send an email saying the faq is wrong. if you expect me to babysit every single fucking faq, you're sadly mistaken |
| 04:00.14 | kergoth | if something is broken, let us know, otherwise it will continue to be so. |
| 04:00.18 | kergoth | period |
| 04:00.19 | kergoth | yo brainless |
| 04:00.23 | brainless | kergoth: hello there |
| 04:00.25 | shinote | Ok, that's what I was just doing. |
| 04:00.43 | kergoth | shinote: IRC is not an official report channel, fyi. |
| 04:00.47 | kergoth | shinote: but i'll fix it when i can |
| 04:01.01 | shinote | What's a better channel? sf.net? |
| 04:01.14 | kergoth | the bug tracking system, the mailing lists, personal email |
| 04:01.29 | kergoth | that reminds me, should add an item to the BTS so you can tag a bug against the website |
| 04:02.08 | shinote | Ok. The websites says that #openzaurus is a support chan. But I guess it's out of date too. |
| 04:02.18 | kergoth | its a means of contacting us |
| 04:02.27 | kergoth | not an bug reporting channel |
| 04:02.31 | kergoth | which is why its on the... contact page |
| 04:02.47 | kergoth | complex, i know |
| 04:02.55 | brainless | kergoth: i saw the code. but i still do not know what OE and OZ is all about. And how different it is from handhelds.org |
| 04:03.05 | treke|home | shinote: and I'd like to point out, this isnt #openzaurus |
| 04:03.05 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:03.31 | kergoth | brainless: handhelds.org is a site. whats the question? |
| 04:03.41 | kergoth | brainless: it hosts the familiar linux distribution for the ipaq |
| 04:03.42 | shinote | Yep, that's another bug to log against the webpage, the irc channel names are obselete. |
| 04:03.48 | kergoth | shinote: wrong. |
| 04:03.57 | kergoth | shinote: #openzaurus is the correct channel for discussion of OZ bugs and issues |
| 04:04.13 | kergoth | the topic says to join this channel, not that it was the only one. |
| 04:04.14 | shinote | Sure, but #openzaurus says "go to #openembedded" |
| 04:04.20 | kergoth | your assumptions are not my problem. |
| 04:04.26 | brainless | kergoth: i read the code @ bebits. i wanna know what is the aim of this project? I mean what do we intend to do? |
| 04:04.43 | brainless | sorry if i am pestering you, but i _want_to_contribute_ but dunno how |
| 04:04.51 | kergoth | brainless: produce an infrastructure for taking package metadata and doing things with it, and also to deploy entire distributions |
| 04:05.24 | kergoth | brainless: said infrastructure will be sufficiently flexible that it could easily produce an entire .src.rpm package set for a redhat based distribution, or a debian source package feed for a desktop debian distro, or what have you |
| 04:05.50 | kergoth | brainless: in fact, i want to use it both to build my zaurus distribution, and to build me an optimized package set with increased package granularity for my debian x86 desktop |
| 04:06.15 | kergoth | brainless: consider it the OZ buildroot, 1) rewritten from scratch, and 2) moved up a step, given further flexibility |
| 04:06.39 | brainless | does it mean, like i want to make a custom system that only plays mp3 songs. using embedded i can make a custom OS that shall fit on a flash card and serve exactly that purpose? |
| 04:06.48 | kergoth | listen |
| 04:06.50 | kergoth | all a distribution is |
| 04:07.00 | kergoth | is a set of packages with certain distributionisms applied. |
| 04:07.01 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 04:07.07 | kergoth | and this can build them easily |
| 04:07.11 | kergoth | it doesnt imply anythign 'custom' |
| 04:07.13 | kergoth | but it could be |
| 04:07.26 | kergoth | you can produce an image for deployment with any arbitrary packages selected for inclusion |
| 04:08.52 | brainless | ok. some things are getting bit clear now |
| 04:09.13 | kergoth | all this is, is a simple way to produce any arbitrary type of package, from a set of package metadata |
| 04:09.18 | kenb | brainless: perfect example - I'm using OE as the basis for my webpal distribution |
| 04:09.22 | kergoth | (thats a description of the oemake tool) |
| 04:09.36 | kergoth | then you extend that, give it the ability to follow build dependencies, and now it can build a distribution.. a package set |
| 04:09.55 | kenb | brainless: so I add in webpal-isms to the tree, and set it up as a target, you can now run "make" with webpal selected and get a distro for it. |
| 04:09.59 | kergoth | extend it further with the ability to apply various distributionisms, and now it can handle redhatisms and debianisms.. |
| 04:10.18 | brainless | kenb: :) |
| 04:10.22 | kergoth | then you take into account deployment, and you have image creation. ext2, tarball, jffs2, cramfs |
| 04:10.31 | kergoth | and/or just a rootfs for use with NFSroot |
| 04:10.40 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.44 | kenb | that's what I currently do |
| 04:10.47 | kenb | it kicks-ass for testing. |
| 04:10.59 | kergoth | yeah, i dont use it often enough. I should though |
| 04:11.02 | brainless | kenb: and what is the use of making a webpal-isms? |
| 04:11.06 | kenb | point the webpal to it, boot it, and see if it works. |
| 04:11.14 | kergoth | brainless: ensuring eveyrthing is build for webpal |
| 04:11.23 | kergoth | brainless: its armv3, not armv4, the compile commands are different |
| 04:11.36 | kergoth | brainless: but the device may not even be arm, it could be mips, or x86.. |
| 04:11.42 | kenb | brainless: Everything I add is additions to support the webpal's specific CPU, soundcard, etc... |
| 04:11.46 | kergoth | brainless: so its kernel builds are different, compile commands, etc |
| 04:12.10 | kenb | brainless: so instead of building a complete distribution system... I've spent about 10 hours hacking on the OE builtroot, and I have my own distro |
| 04:12.11 | brainless | and what is the final purpose of all this? |
| 04:12.31 | kenb | brainless: I'll have an image to be used on the WebPal set-top boxes for folks |
| 04:12.34 | chouimat | brainless: fun |
| 04:12.49 | kergoth | brainless: having a flexible infrastructure for dealing with embedded devices |
| 04:12.54 | kergoth | brainless: its purposes are a few |
| 04:13.07 | brainless | kenb: webpal is a set top box? |
| 04:13.14 | kenb | The whole concept is a bit weird - usually open source development isn't this co-operative. |
| 04:13.17 | chouimat | kenb: available? |
| 04:13.17 | kergoth | brainless: one of which is to consolodate the current open linux distributions for PDAs, for which there are quite a few currently |
| 04:13.35 | kenb | brainless: yup. little embedded ARMv3 CPU, sound, network, TVout |
| 04:13.35 | kergoth | brainless: with this, we could all work together and stop reinventing the wheel. my patch against say hotplug for OZ could benefit us all |
| 04:13.58 | kenb | chouimat: the webpal? It's in buildroot now... I haven't written to code to generate the ext2 images yet tho |
| 04:14.03 | kergoth | brainless: plus the oemake, the portion of it that can produce any package from some metadata, could be used for all sorts of application developers to build packages in their source trees |
| 04:14.19 | kergoth | brainless: instead of having a .spec, .dsc, debian/rules, etc etc of duplicate data in their tree |
| 04:14.31 | chouimat | grrrr konsole doesn't work anymore |
| 04:14.34 | brainless | kergoth: now i get what you guysare trying to do |
| 04:14.52 | kergoth | brainless: i got sick of seeing so much duplicate effort and fracturing |
| 04:15.13 | kenb | chouimat: Hopefully by the end of the week I'll have something usefull for end users. But I have another Super FreeS/WAN release due friday as well, so we'll see. |
| 04:15.34 | chouimat | kenb: super freeswan? |
| 04:15.48 | kenb | chouimat: yea. My FreeS/WAN fork() |
| 04:16.03 | kenb | chouimat: that's what I used to spend the bulk of my open source coding time on. |
| 04:16.30 | chouimat | kenb: any gui yet? |
| 04:16.57 | kenb | chouimat: nope... someone's done onea them webmin modules for it tho |
| 04:17.11 | brainless | speaking of FreeS/WAN maybe we can make an embedded VPN :) |
| 04:17.16 | kenb | chouimat: I have the GUI forms completed |
| 04:17.27 | chouimat | kenb: for the wepal |
| 04:17.32 | kenb | brainless: already done. I've ported FreeS/WAN to the Zaurus |
| 04:17.34 | kergoth | brainless: freeswan should work on the Z |
| 04:17.39 | kenb | and soon, the Webpal. |
| 04:17.54 | kenb | http://www.freeswan.ca/code/zeeswan |
| 04:17.59 | chouimat | kenb: those opie work on the webpal :) |
| 04:18.12 | kenb | chouimat: ? |
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| 04:18.36 | chouimat | kenb: nm |
| 04:18.36 | kenb | actually, the ipkg's for Z might work on the webpal. |
| 04:18.52 | kenb | I don't believe I -mtune'd them in any way |
| 04:19.21 | kenb | It's on my todo list this week |
| 04:19.42 | brainless | Zaurus = PDA from Sharp.... right |
| 04:19.59 | kenb | yes |
| 04:20.50 | chouimat|bofh | brainless == no brain? |
| 04:21.00 | kergoth | chouimat|bofh: nice nick |
| 04:21.10 | kenb | heh |
| 04:22.23 | brainless | chouimat: well as of now, i dont have much brains..... |
| 04:22.39 | chouimat | brainless: go to sleep |
| 04:23.44 | treke|home | kenb: isnt webpal arm3? |
| 04:24.13 | kenb | treke: yes |
| 04:24.51 | treke|home | and zaurus is arm4, I'm guessing they wont :) |
| 04:25.21 | kenb | treke: dunno. I didn't pass it any -m params when I built the ipkg's for Z. |
| 04:25.35 | kenb | depends on what the default is on that toolchain |
| 04:25.38 | kergoth | depends on the default |
| 04:25.39 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:25.40 | kergoth | yeah that |
| 04:25.44 | kenb | ;) |
| 04:26.01 | kenb | IPSec TV :) |
| 04:26.01 | brainless | chouimat: i just came to work :) its 10am out here |
| 04:26.27 | treke|home | man this sucks. 8:30 on sunday and I've done jack shit |
| 04:26.41 | kergoth | treke|home: same here |
| 04:26.42 | treke|home | good thing I have monday off |
| 04:26.49 | kergoth | my house is trashed |
| 04:26.53 | kergoth | no clean clothes |
| 04:26.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:26.55 | treke|home | kergoth: same |
| 04:27.00 | kergoth | ah well |
| 04:27.26 | treke|home | I think that is the height of laziness. buying new clothes to avoid laundry |
| 04:28.20 | kergoth | aha |
| 04:28.23 | kergoth | that is pretty bad |
| 04:28.29 | kenb | hehhehe |
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| 04:57.26 | effy-kun | LOL |
| 04:57.59 | effy-kun | I thought "FOB" applied only to Asians, but lo' and behold! Fubby white boys from America! LOL |
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| 11:02.03 | mickeyl | andersee: maybe I have the wrong ublibc (0.9.18), but I don't find CONFIG_TARGET_ARM anywhere. Are there different source versions for different architectures? |
| 11:06.29 | andersee | mickeyl: you have to specify the architecture you wish to build |
| 11:07.38 | andersee | mickeyl: you can set it on the command line, or edit uClibc/Rules.mak |
| 11:08.48 | andersee | mickeyl: If you look in here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/tuxscreen/buildroot-tux/make/uclibc_toolchain.mk?rev=1.36&sortby=date&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 11:09.20 | andersee | look at the first bit of the $(UCLIBC_DIR)/.configured Makefile target |
| 11:09.52 | andersee | I use perl to force TARGET_ARCH to be correct, avoiding the need to specify it on the comand line. |
| 11:11.11 | andersee | In future versions I plan to add TARGET_ARCH to the config system since I think I've figured out how to do make it work. |
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| 11:37.17 | nofpu | hm fixed |
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| 12:17.04 | nofpu | how comparable are the opie and sharp addressbooks I wonder |
| 12:17.48 | nofpu | (the XML that is) |
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| 12:45.23 | ljp | my god, cable tv has gotten expensive |
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| 12:57.36 | mickeyl | andersee: ah ok i see - thanks. |
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| 15:03.20 | carsten | http://golem.de/0303/24246.html <--- about OPIE |
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| 15:08.27 | thmachin | what happened to zaurus.com? anybody know? |
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| 15:38.47 | mallum | kergoth: hey |
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| 15:58.42 | ljp_work | hey |
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| 16:27.37 | ccamp | sigh |
| 16:28.23 | Harlekin | ibot: seen microdim |
| 16:28.24 | | microdim <~amd@adsl-64-169-116-197.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 47d 20h 55m ago, saying: 'what is the diff between "konq - snapshot" and "konq - snapshot - full"'. |
| 16:34.29 | kenb | ibot: seen oynx |
| 16:34.29 | | i haven't seen 'oynx', kenb |
| 16:34.33 | kenb | ibot: seen oynx|work |
| 16:34.33 | | i haven't seen 'oynx|work', kenb |
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| 16:50.20 | kergoth | kenb: s/onyx/onyx4/g |
| 16:50.24 | kergoth | mornin :) |
| 16:50.52 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
| 16:51.07 | kergoth | hey pb, hows it going |
| 16:51.10 | kergoth | bleh, monday |
| 16:51.52 | pb_ | kergoth: yeah, got that monday syndrome here also. :-/ |
| 16:52.28 | pb_ | kergoth: just been attempting to install the CE .NET tools on my PC; it appears they have completely destroyed my Windows partition. |
| 16:56.21 | kergoth | pb_: ouch |
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| 16:57.42 | ljp_work | hmm, that happens on a normal windows IDE/SDK install, right? |
| 16:58.06 | ljp_work | heh just kiddin |
| 16:58.37 | kergoth | heh, i was gonna say some smartass comment like that, but its monday, so i figured it wouldnt come out right |
| 16:58.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:58.59 | ljp_work | hhehehe |
| 16:59.08 | ljp_work | I'm jazzed up for a Monday |
| 16:59.18 | kergoth | nice |
| 17:00.00 | ljp_work | probably last another hour or so. |
| 17:00.13 | ljp_work | something is going to go wrong |
| 17:02.04 | Twiun | hey * |
| 17:02.14 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
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| 17:05.00 | mallum | kergoth: hey, I've been looking at integrating this new X stuff, one thing Im a bit confused with ... can an individual package in the buildroot actually provide a load of packages - eg Xserver, libs, client ? |
| 17:05.23 | kergoth | mallum: yeah, though its rather hackish, it works for now. take a look at ncurses for a simple example |
| 17:06.32 | mallum | kergoth: okie do dependencies still work that way though ? |
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| 17:07.49 | kergoth | mallum: build dependencies are independent of package dependencies. the depends on lines in config.in determines build dependencies, the Depends variables in the makefile for the targets in question determine ipk/runtimer |
| 17:08.23 | chouimat | morning |
| 17:08.49 | kergoth | s/timer/time// |
| 17:08.55 | kergoth | s/\/$// |
| 17:08.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:09.26 | mallum | kergoth: ok, I think this X integration is going to be fun ;-) |
| 17:09.53 | kenb | maybe. |
| 17:10.18 | kergoth | mallum: hehe. the system is overly complex due to our dependence on gnu make for handling the metadata and steps.. gnu make is limited, have to work around its lacks in numerous places |
| 17:11.45 | mallum | kergoth: okie, btw do know the format of the c700's /dev/ts ? |
| 17:12.51 | kergoth | mallum: yeah. you'd probably be best off taking a look at qt/embedded's qwsmouse_qws.cpp, which has all of its ts access for all its supported devices.. so you can see the normal Z, and then c700. adding support for the existing 5000d/5500 would be a breeze while you're at it. I'll email you the file in quesiton |
| 17:14.56 | mallum | kergoth: cool, that'd be great |
| 17:15.14 | mallum | kergoth: also what config do I want to copy to config.in in the buildroot for the c700 ? |
| 17:16.08 | kergoth | .. i dont understand the question |
| 17:17.53 | mallum | kergoth: sorry , the file I need to move into place with the buildroot , before I run a make menuconfig |
| 17:19.49 | kergoth | oh, there isnt a default config for a c700 build atm, just got ahead and copy def-configs/openzaurus .. which needs updating .. to .config, then run menuconfig and select c700 in build options |
| 17:20.04 | kergoth | you'll want ot go through the menus and make sure the stuff is enabled that you want enabled, and nothign more. |
| 17:20.09 | kergoth | actually, dont bother copying the config |
| 17:20.15 | kergoth | otherwise you'll get opie and shit which you dont want |
| 17:20.32 | kergoth | hm, i can add a defconfig for c700 for you in a sec, hold up |
| 17:20.41 | mallum | kergoth: okey |
| 17:25.10 | chouimat | fuck!!!! -37C outside |
| 17:33.38 | kergoth | mallum: bk pull; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/corgi-minimal .config; cp def-configs/corgi-image output/.config; make menuconfig |
| 17:35.06 | mallum | kergoth: thanks :-), I was just using the bk snapshots - will that appear in the next one ? |
| 17:35.39 | kergoth | doubtful, the snapshots are months olld, i believe scanline's cronjob is no longer running. but I'll upload a newer snapshot today manually |
| 17:36.08 | scanline | hmm, something wrong with the cron job? |
| 17:36.19 | kergoth | scanline: the tarballs are being uploaded, but the content isnt updated |
| 17:36.24 | scanline | oh |
| 17:36.25 | kergoth | scanline: its like its not re-exporting the tree |
| 17:36.31 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:36.42 | kergoth | hey, pavelm posted a tool to obtain a bk repos w/o bk |
| 17:36.43 | kergoth | using rsync |
| 17:36.44 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:36.48 | kergoth | With attached patch to CSSC (www.sf.net/projects/cssc), and |
| 17:36.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.52 | kergoth | ^^^ |
| 17:37.07 | kergoth | mallum: try that, you could obtain the tree whenever you like |
| 17:37.10 | scanline | hmm |
| 17:37.19 | scanline | my directory got a stale lock in it |
| 17:39.07 | mallum | kergoth: and can I use my own gcc3.2 x-compiler ? |
| 17:39.27 | kergoth | mallum: yeah |
| 17:39.45 | kergoth | mallum: just make sure its in your path, and that the gcc version string is correctin menuconfig |
| 17:39.49 | kergoth | s/correctin/correct in/ |
| 17:40.26 | mallum | kergoth: cool |
| 17:41.22 | mallum | scanline: is it fixed now ? |
| 17:41.36 | chouimat | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=924 |
| 17:41.37 | scanline | still cloning the bk tree |
| 17:42.05 | kergoth | grr, this is driving me nuts |
| 17:42.18 | kergoth | binutils built for cygwin fails within buildroot, but works fine without |
| 17:42.29 | mallum | scanline: okey |
| 17:42.48 | scanline | exporting... |
| 17:43.09 | scanline | ok, it should be good now |
| 17:43.16 | kergoth | thanks scanline |
| 17:43.18 | mallum | scanline: many thanks |
| 17:43.25 | scanline | no problem! |
| 17:45.08 | mallum | scanline: yep appears to updated |
| 17:45.10 | chouimat | kergoth: still wrestling with cygwin |
| 17:45.19 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, its winning |
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| 17:52.08 | chouimat | hey ljp_work |
| 17:53.03 | kergoth | hey ljp_work |
| 17:53.29 | chouimat | hmmmm tv card is ***** |
| 17:53.51 | ljp_work | hiya |
| 17:54.58 | kergoth | *****? |
| 17:55.08 | tronical | *****! |
| 17:55.20 | tronical | ** *** **** ***, * ** :) |
| 17:55.31 | pb_ | five-star, huh? sounds great! |
| 17:55.39 | Harlekin | *-- ** *-- |
| 17:55.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:56.17 | chouimat | pb_: it can keep it synchronisation, so I have the impression to watch paytv on all channel |
| 17:56.23 | chouimat | s/can/can't |
| 17:56.37 | yeiazel | CF tv card ? :) |
| 17:56.40 | pb_ | chouimat: ah, sucks. |
| 17:56.50 | chouimat | yeiazel: no tv wonder |
| 17:57.00 | yeiazel | that would be cool |
| 17:57.03 | yeiazel | tv on the z :) |
| 17:57.17 | chouimat | pb_: the solution is to get another video and use the composite input |
| 17:57.25 | pb_ | right. |
| 17:57.39 | kergoth | treke|home: remember when you add functionality to an existing package, or fix a bug with it, to increment the Revision to ensure the user sees a package upgrade when upgrading from unstable |
| 17:58.01 | chouimat | pb_: and a 2nd vcr can be handy too |
| 17:58.53 | tronical | hrhm, ot, but... any squid expert around? |
| 18:01.02 | chouimat | pb_: lol but black and white signal is ok :) |
| 18:02.06 | pb_ | chouimat: ah, heh. my TV card seems to have lost its ability to decode colour altogether. |
| 18:02.36 | chouimat | pb_: maybe we can write a software to correct this :) |
| 18:02.47 | pb_ | :-) |
| 18:03.25 | chouimat | pb_: it's just annoying |
| 18:06.06 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, I did the make menuconfig, then ran make - but it failed more or less immediatly trying to patch ipkg :( |
| 18:09.55 | ljp_work | ahh, so you have a B & W tv card now? :D |
| 18:10.37 | chouimat | ljp_work: no a color one but the rf unit on it seems to be defect |
| 18:12.35 | chouimat | grrrrrr just saw that I forgot that kazaa was open for 2 days |
| 18:15.50 | ljp_work | hehe, did it suddenly have a 'turn the channels' knob? :) |
| 18:16.01 | ljp_work | and a round screen |
| 18:16.17 | ljp_work | that faded to a white diot when you turned it off? |
| 18:16.21 | ljp_work | dot |
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| 18:24.32 | kergoth | mallum: fixed, but you wont see it cause you're using a snapshot |
| 18:24.35 | kergoth | mallum: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=104629935014321&w=2 |
| 18:24.48 | kergoth | mallum: read that, its a open source tool which can access and work with bitkeeper repositories |
| 18:27.42 | kergoth | bleh. sf down again? |
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| 18:53.46 | chouimat | wow no more picture from my tv card |
| 18:54.25 | kergoth | mallum: hm, if we can get our bk trees accessible via rsync, you can use bitbucket to play with the tree, export patches, etc |
| 18:54.27 | ljp_work | broke that fast, eh? |
| 18:54.42 | chouimat | ljp_work: huh? |
| 18:54.49 | chouimat | kergoth: bitbucket? |
| 18:55.13 | kergoth | chouimat: open source tool that can access bitkeeper repositories |
| 18:55.19 | kergoth | chouimat: sf.net/projects/bitbucket |
| 18:55.24 | kergoth | chouimat: for those who cant or wont use bk |
| 18:55.46 | chouimat | kergoth: hmmm the tools that piss off bitkeeper co? |
| 18:55.53 | kergoth | i'm sure they do |
| 18:57.10 | ccamp | i hate mondays |
| 18:57.12 | kergoth | maybe we should put our bk trees on SFD |
| 18:57.13 | kergoth | SF |
| 18:57.24 | kergoth | then we coudl use sshv2 keys |
| 18:58.32 | ccamp | kergoth |
| 18:58.36 | ccamp | do you feel my pain? |
| 18:58.54 | kergoth | bout mondays? of course, its the worst day of the week |
| 18:59.13 | ccamp | indeed. |
| 18:59.30 | kergoth | the only day of the week that doesnt suck is saturday |
| 18:59.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:59.49 | ccamp | i dont mind fridays |
| 18:59.50 | ljp_work | whats wrong with sunday? |
| 18:59.55 | ccamp | at least after abbout 330 |
| 19:00.01 | ccamp | sunday is the devil |
| 19:00.03 | kergoth | sunday sucks kbecause tomorrow is monday. |
| 19:00.06 | ccamp | yup |
| 19:00.25 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 19:00.29 | kergoth | monday sucks by its very nature. tuesday is wayyy too close to monday. wednesday is only half way through the week. thursday sucks because its not friday. |
| 19:00.36 | ljp_work | tyhats a bad attitude! |
| 19:00.46 | kergoth | friday only sucks cause its not the weekend yet, and you're stuck at work. but after work its all good |
| 19:03.42 | mallum | kergoth: cool, thanks for the tips |
| 19:05.30 | kergoth | scanline: mind running that snapshot update dealy? |
| 19:06.03 | kergoth | scanline: fixed a ipkg-x86 patch for mallum here |
| 19:06.42 | kenb | hi. |
| 19:06.50 | kenb | everyone see the sendmail root hole? |
| 19:07.17 | kergoth | bugtraq is my friend |
| 19:07.22 | kenb | me too |
| 19:07.37 | chouimat | arrrrgggg mustreboot |
| 19:07.49 | kenb | i have a buncha sendmail boxen :( |
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| 19:14.51 | scanline | kergoth: ok |
| 19:16.03 | scanline | should be done now |
| 19:16.42 | MSpin | kergoth: did you ever here anything from ADS? |
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| 19:24.35 | mallum | kergoth: I downloaded bk, and updated that way |
| 19:25.00 | mallum | kergoth: but ipkg is still not patching :( , cygwin patch error now |
| 19:25.50 | treke|home | sendmail root hole? glad I've all switched to postfix :) |
| 19:27.18 | Twiun | sendmail? what's that? <g> |
| 19:27.41 | Twiun | but I wonder if postfix's sendmail compatibility extends to the holes... |
| 19:28.51 | ljp_work | the International Space Station discovered it?!? |
| 19:30.32 | Twiun | well... they do have plenty of spare time now that they're not coming back down anytime soon |
| 19:30.36 | NetNut404_Work | anyone here try using znetbackup ? |
| 19:31.07 | NetNut404_Work | I like it but it seems only the -full works for me |
| 19:35.05 | kergoth | mallum: your tree is up to date? i just mrproper'd my ipkg and built it.. |
| 19:35.30 | kergoth | mallum: the stupid fucking problem is, they stored a a file in ipkg cvs that has fucking carriage returns all over it |
| 19:35.35 | kergoth | mallum: and its interfering with patches |
| 19:40.24 | mallum | kergoth: ah okey I will try a make mrproper |
| 19:40.29 | kergoth | mallum: hold |
| 19:41.25 | mallum | kergoth: ? |
| 19:41.56 | kergoth | worked a second ago, fails on fresh checkout again. arg |
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| 19:55.26 | ljp_work | hmm, well, for awhile I _felt_ like coding.. hmm.. |
| 19:58.07 | mewyn | kergoth: waht's the current version of OZ out there/ |
| 19:58.21 | kergoth | 3.1rc2 is the latest release |
| 19:58.25 | kergoth | well, testing release |
| 19:58.30 | kergoth | 3.0 is the latest stable release |
| 19:59.05 | ljp_work | and of course, the ultra secret version that only NASA uses |
| 19:59.26 | ljp_work | whoops. now I am going to have to kill the channel |
| 20:00.13 | mewyn | do you know the one big NDA loophole? |
| 20:00.17 | treke|home | apt-get remove ljp_work |
| 20:02.50 | ljp_work | apt-get: cannot remove ljp_work |
| 20:03.37 | treke|home | rm -rf $LJPDIR |
| 20:04.31 | kergoth | kergoth@trekesbox$ echo $LJPDIR |
| 20:04.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.37 | kergoth | kergoth@trekesbox$ |
| 20:04.50 | ljp_work | meanies |
| 20:05.31 | treke|home | hehe |
| 20:05.56 | treke|home | this machine is named allevil. that makes ljp_work the root of allevil |
| 20:06.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:06.18 | kergoth | i once had a perl script run rm -rf /$HEH |
| 20:06.25 | kergoth | but i ran it as root |
| 20:06.29 | kergoth | and HEH was undefined |
| 20:06.36 | treke|home | HEH |
| 20:06.45 | kergoth | that sucked |
| 20:06.53 | kergoth | it was remote, too |
| 20:07.10 | treke|home | not for long it wasnt |
| 20:07.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:07.20 | kergoth | i accidentally logged out of my ssh session too |
| 20:07.23 | kergoth | so oculdnt get back in |
| 20:07.29 | kergoth | but, there was a Xvnc running with a terminal in it |
| 20:07.34 | kergoth | saved me.. managed to recover the box |
| 20:07.55 | kergoth | then wrote a script using --get-selections to make apt-get reisntall every package in the system |
| 20:07.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:10.06 | ljp_work | script-kiddie |
| 20:10.22 | ljp_work | there's more to life than running shell scripts |
| 20:10.28 | ljp_work | :) |
| 20:10.49 | kergoth | yeah, theres perl and python and php too |
| 20:10.51 | kergoth | :D |
| 20:11.51 | chouimat|busy | BORING BORING BORING BORING |
| 20:11.58 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:13.09 | mewyn | BOING BOING BOING BOING |
| 20:16.55 | ljp_work | I'm going to go home early today |
| 20:17.51 | chouimat|away | ok brb, I will go smoke a joint :) |
| 20:19.16 | ljp_work | bastard |
| 20:19.31 | chouimat|away | ljp_work: in a hot bath :) |
| 20:19.31 | ljp_work | hippy bastard |
| 20:19.57 | ljp_work | I'm telling |
| 20:20.34 | chouimat|away | ljp_work: hehe ... working home got certain avantage :) |
| 20:20.51 | kergoth | chouimat|away: bastard |
| 20:21.20 | chouimat|away | kergoth::P |
| 20:30.11 | ljp_work | bastard |
| 20:32.20 | mewyn | kergoth is working from home? |
| 20:32.27 | kergoth | no, i'm sitting in my cube |
| 20:32.35 | kergoth | chouimat|away is working from home |
| 20:32.41 | mewyn | the bastard |
| 20:32.48 | kergoth | ep |
| 20:32.50 | kergoth | y |
| 20:32.55 | mewyn | i wanna do my job from home |
| 20:33.43 | kergoth | mallum: bleh, jamey fixed the file in question in current cvs, but current cvs ipkg is largely useless, assloads of /tmp/ipkg-blah errors |
| 20:33.52 | mewyn | kergoth: you ever see the strongbad email about techno songs? |
| 20:33.54 | kergoth | mallum: just disabled the cygwin patch for noncygwin builds |
| 20:33.59 | kergoth | mewyn: nope |
| 20:34.14 | kenb | home. |
| 20:34.37 | kergoth | mallum: bk pull; bk -r co -q; make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg-x86 packages/ipkg" mrproper; make |
| 20:35.05 | mewyn | kergoth: got flash? |
| 20:35.15 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:35.30 | mewyn | http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail45.html |
| 20:39.53 | chouimat|away | mewyn: that song is awfulll |
| 20:40.03 | mewyn | the system is down |
| 20:40.13 | mewyn | it's awful, but funny |
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| 20:41.11 | mewyn | but it's also true |
| 20:41.22 | mewyn | especially with some of the older techno songs out there |
| 20:42.21 | chouimat | mewyn: you mean the one by Vic Twenty and his Commodores ? |
| 20:42.50 | mewyn | never heard that |
| 20:43.09 | chouimat | mewyn: never heard about the Commodore Vic-20? |
| 20:43.21 | mewyn | the first thing that comes to mind when i hear the strongbad techno, i think old VNV, like Afterfire |
| 20:43.23 | mewyn | i know the computers |
| 20:43.36 | chouimat | mewyn: ok very bad joke :) |
| 20:43.52 | mewyn | yes, very bad indeed |
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| 21:08.57 | mallum | kergoth: thanks, that seems to be working :-) |
| 21:09.28 | kergoth | mallum: whew, good |
| 21:10.47 | mallum | kergoth: thanks for putting up with me ;-) |
| 21:11.09 | kergoth | np, the build was broken, just you happened to be the first one to notice :) |
| 21:11.29 | mallum | hehe |
| 21:11.50 | mallum | I have bk now any so that should hopefully make things easier |
| 21:12.14 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:16.24 | NetNut404_Work | I am a little confused at where timezones are set in the Z.. for example.. in a script if the TZ variable is set to "Europe/Berlin" it knows it's CET so where is that set? |
| 21:16.47 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:17.00 | kergoth | /usr/share/zoneinfo, same as any other linux box |
| 21:17.22 | mallum | kergoth: ewe I just got an error from the kernel build ... looks like some asm is not good |
| 21:17.41 | kergoth | mallum: ah, yeah, you cant compikle 2.4.6 with gcc3 |
| 21:17.52 | kergoth | mallum: revert to a 2.95 toolchain for just kernel, then continue |
| 21:17.57 | mallum | kergoth: okey |
| 21:18.04 | kergoth | er |
| 21:18.05 | mallum | kergoth: why not 2.4.18 ? |
| 21:18.07 | kergoth | you're building 2.4.6? |
| 21:18.12 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:18.18 | kergoth | what kernel is enabled atm? |
| 21:18.19 | mallum | I shouldn't be, I think |
| 21:18.45 | kergoth | 2.4.18 should be able to build with gcc3 i'd think.. |
| 21:18.56 | treke|home | nope |
| 21:19.03 | treke|home | at least not the ipaq 2.4.18 |
| 21:20.30 | mallum | kergoth: yeah should be 2.4.18, its sharp stuff its crapping out on ( tons of warnings ) |
| 21:20.45 | mallum | arm-linux-gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/home/mallum/src/OZ/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -Wa,-mxscale -mno-fpu -msoft-float -c -o sharpsl_suspend.o sharpsl_suspend.S |
| 21:20.46 | mallum | sharpsl_suspend.S: Assembler messages: |
| 21:20.46 | mallum | sharpsl_suspend.S:229: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 21:20.46 | mallum | sharpsl_suspend.S:465: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 21:20.46 | mallum | sharpsl_suspend.S:494: Error: internal_relocation (type: OFFSET_IMM) not fixed up |
| 21:22.03 | kergoth | ahh |
| 21:22.20 | kergoth | fun, thanks sharp |
| 21:22.24 | mallum | hehe |
| 21:24.36 | mallum | kergoth: is there a trick for switching compilers / or just stop start it ? |
| 21:27.08 | kergoth | mallum: probably want to make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 clean-binary; then ammke |
| 21:27.48 | mallum | kergoth: okey and I'll just slip a 2.95 into my path |
| 21:30.49 | mewyn | ibot zsi |
| 21:31.13 | mewyn | wasn't there a new software page? |
| 21:34.53 | chouimat | mewyn: Peace Candle rocks :) |
| 21:37.43 | mewyn | bah |
| 21:38.09 | chouimat | mewyn: hehehehehehe |
| 21:41.02 | treke|home | why the fuck is wim delvaux asking about CE.net on the opie mailing list... |
| 21:43.17 | chouimat | treke|home: any url? |
| 21:43.20 | chouimat | mickeyl: hi |
| 21:43.31 | mickeyl | hi chouimat. how are u? |
| 21:43.39 | treke|home | chouimat: /home/ggilbert/mail/opie@handhelds.org |
| 21:43.49 | chouimat | mickeyl: tired and bored |
| 21:43.53 | chouimat | treke|home: :P |
| 21:44.19 | mickeyl | chouimat: tired I understand - bored I don't understand... grab yourself a goal and start coding :)) |
| 21:44.49 | chouimat | mickeyl: ok I will ask that chick if she want to get out with me :)) |
| 21:45.04 | mickeyl | chouimat: that's even better than coding something |
| 21:45.05 | chouimat | treke|home: who is that Vim Delvaux? |
| 21:45.06 | mickeyl | :-D |
| 21:45.33 | chouimat | mickeyl: maybe it's time for me to start dating (officially again) |
| 21:48.13 | mickeyl | chouimat: lucky one... I'm married - so dating time is eternally over for me :-D |
| 21:48.37 | chouimat | mickeyl: divorced for 2 years, 3 years single :) |
| 21:50.09 | mickeyl | chouimat: ouch... so much for "dating time is eternally over" |
| 21:50.12 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:50.44 | treke|home | mickeyl: nah, you arent nearly the ass chouimat is :) your marraige might work out |
| 21:51.18 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:51.28 | mickeyl | treke: hehe, yeah I hope so... can't complain, really. my wife is cute, intelligent, pretty and even has a Ph.D... what more can I dream of? |
| 21:51.37 | treke|home | can she cook? |
| 21:51.44 | mickeyl | yeah! |
| 21:51.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:51.52 | treke|home | mickeyl: your set |
| 21:52.08 | mickeyl | well... she is not blonde, but can't have everything :-D |
| 21:52.19 | kergoth | mickeyl: lucky guy |
| 21:52.22 | mickeyl | thanks :) |
| 21:53.07 | kergoth | I dont care much w/ regard to hair color |
| 21:53.22 | chouimat | treke|home: imagine your wife calling you david while doing .... welll you know |
| 21:53.31 | kergoth | chouimat: ack |
| 21:53.43 | treke|home | chouimat: not necesarrily a bad thing |
| 21:53.47 | treke|home | chouimat: is your name david? |
| 21:53.50 | chouimat | mickeyl: I will try to find some photo of my ex wife ... but I wonder if any survived :) |
| 21:53.50 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:54.03 | chouimat | treke: unfortunatly no |
| 21:54.11 | treke|home | chouimat: ok, then you have a problem |
| 21:54.38 | chouimat | treke|home: imagine a 5'10" blonde about 125 lbs |
| 21:55.08 | mickeyl | chouimat: that's quite a bit :-D |
| 21:55.45 | chouimat | mickeyl: yup was lucky to get that one (but in retrospect not so lucky ....) |
| 21:57.35 | chouimat | treke|home: just read the CE>NET and linux email ..... |
| 21:57.38 | mallum | kergoth: cool the kernel has built |
| 21:57.55 | treke|home | chouimat: its not just that email, its every message hes posted |
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| 21:58.39 | chouimat | treke|home: I just looked at the archive and if you think I'm an ass I don't want to know what you think of him :) |
| 21:59.05 | ljp | who is an ass? |
| 21:59.15 | Harlekin | treke|home: wim? |
| 21:59.24 | treke|home | chouimat: being an ass isnt a bad thing :) |
| 21:59.35 | chouimat | treke|home: hehe :) |
| 21:59.40 | treke|home | Harlekin: yeah |
| 22:00.23 | chouimat | hmmmmmmm that coffee need a little more sugar |
| 22:00.33 | Harlekin | try rum |
| 22:01.10 | ljp | yum rum |
| 22:01.11 | treke|home | Harlekin: sounds like a good solution |
| 22:01.47 | chouimat | Harlekin: hehe, no I would put cognac in it but I don't have any |
| 22:05.13 | mewyn | kergoth: ping |
| 22:05.28 | kergoth | mewyn: pong |
| 22:05.45 | kergoth | I need to pick up some glenlivet scotch, i'm out |
| 22:05.52 | mewyn | kergoth: i need to reboot zelda |
| 22:05.58 | mewyn | imapd seemed to freak out on me |
| 22:06.16 | kergoth | go for it |
| 22:06.58 | mewyn | ok, i'm gonna do it now, barring any objections |
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| 22:07.09 | noda | Moo! |
| 22:07.15 | Harlekin | apt-get moo |
| 22:07.32 | noda | What's new in OE-land? |
| 22:07.45 | chouimat | noda: not too cold in montreal :) |
| 22:07.47 | treke|home | cowsay moo |
| 22:07.59 | noda | chouimat: It's frickin' freezing over here... -10 or something |
| 22:08.06 | noda | weatherbot: weather cyul |
| 22:08.07 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Canada: It is -18 C (-2 F), windspeed is 32.19 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.03 2100 UTC). |
| 22:08.16 | noda | Heh, whoops. Much colder ;) |
| 22:08.36 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 22:08.37 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -17 C (1 F), windspeed is 33.80 km/h, and visibility is 32.19 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.03 2100 UTC). |
| 22:08.45 | noda | Ha! Colder over here :) |
| 22:08.57 | chouimat | good :) |
| 22:09.08 | mallum | kergoth: it looks like yo can switch the fb resolution on the c700's |
| 22:09.15 | noda | And the friggin' wind blowing down the mountain to the Atwater/De Maisonneuve intersection I cross at least twice a day... it's not nice :) |
| 22:09.33 | chouimat | noda: didn't get out today |
| 22:09.37 | noda | chouimat: Bastard. |
| 22:10.17 | *** join/#openembedded kergoth (~kergoth@204.221.107.11) |
| 22:10.17 | *** mode/#openembedded [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 22:10.28 | mewyn | hope that fixes this |
| 22:12.34 | *** part/#openembedded nobse (tretkowski@ridcully.bzimage.de) |
| 22:13.25 | mewyn | phew |
| 22:17.50 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, glibc is moaning it dont like to be compiled with 3.2.1 ... know much about that; |
| 22:18.07 | mallum | *** This version of GNU libc cannot be compiled by GCC 3.x. |
| 22:18.07 | mallum | *** GCC 3.x will generate a library that is binary incompatible to |
| 22:18.07 | mallum | *** older and future releases of GNU libc. |
| 22:18.07 | mallum | *** You should compile this GNU libc release by an older GCC version |
| 22:18.07 | mallum | *** or wait for the next GNU libc release. |
| 22:18.08 | mallum | *** If you really mean to use GCC 3.x, run configure again |
| 22:18.09 | treke|home | mallum: did you enable glibc 2.3? |
| 22:18.10 | mallum | *** using the extra parameter `--disable-sanity-checks'. |
| 22:18.23 | mallum | treke|home: hmm not sure let me check |
| 22:18.30 | treke|home | your probably using 2.2.4 |
| 22:19.24 | mallum | treke|home: yep you right :-) |
| 22:19.56 | mallum | treke|home: do I have to start over again ? or will the build figure out it changed ? |
| 22:20.12 | treke|home | yeah the build will realize it's changed |
| 22:20.20 | chouimat | treke|home: I just finished reading about 45 vim posts and I want to cry |
| 22:21.19 | ljp | reading anything on vim would make anyone cry |
| 22:22.35 | chouimat | ljp: :) |
| 22:27.23 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... strange. libtool no longer honors --target here. can't get it to configure CC and LD properly. |
| 22:27.40 | mickeyl | (when building libtool in buildroot, that is) |
| 22:27.59 | mewyn | hrmmm. |
| 22:28.07 | mickeyl | not that it's important - i can manually edit it - but I don't understand it. this is what annoys me... |
| 22:28.11 | mewyn | my desktop had better uptime than my server before the reboot |
| 22:28.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: try --host |
| 22:28.30 | kergoth | mickeyl: --host is the proper option for crosscopmilation generally |
| 22:29.29 | mickeyl | trying... |
| 22:30.07 | kergoth | god i despise libtool |
| 22:30.13 | mickeyl | me too |
| 22:30.17 | mewyn | libtool is a tool |
| 22:30.23 | kergoth | s/tool/fool/ |
| 22:30.27 | mickeyl | -DLIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL |
| 22:30.37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:30.46 | kergoth | anyone know the original source of the LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL thing? |
| 22:30.46 | treke|home | -DDIEGNU |
| 22:30.55 | kergoth | i know debian patches one of its vars to say that w/ sed |
| 22:31.34 | kergoth | adding bluez to buildroot? :) |
| 22:31.42 | treke|home | yeah. I've got libs and utils in |
| 22:31.47 | treke|home | still need sdp and pan |
| 22:31.48 | mickeyl | damn... --host makes no difference. this is killing me. |
| 22:32.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: bk prs Makefile .. it used to work before i fucked with it |
| 22:32.15 | kergoth | find the revision |
| 22:32.21 | kergoth | bk get -p -r[rev] > newmakefile |
| 22:32.23 | mickeyl | kergoth: yep.... trying an older revision... |
| 22:32.26 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:32.31 | treke|home | kergoth: somehow ./configure is generating what looks like an incorrect makefile ( isnt including some headers that are part of the source tree) |
| 22:32.50 | kergoth | treke|home: if configure sucks, override the vars in the makefile on the commandline |
| 22:32.52 | kenb | hm |
| 22:32.53 | kenb | Removed the LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL hack, which was preventing orbit from |
| 22:32.53 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.54 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.55 | kergoth | treke|home: thats the general policy. heheh |
| 22:33.01 | kergoth | kenb: woa |
| 22:33.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33.13 | treke|home | kergoth: I need to see if it works on x86 :) |
| 22:33.32 | treke|home | kergoth: crosscompiling shouldnt affect that at all |
| 22:33.51 | kenb | kergoth: it's fixed in recent libtools, and you shouldn't use/needit |
| 22:34.13 | kergoth | kenb: recent libtools still suck, and still require all sorts of fun hacks for crosscopmilation |
| 22:34.18 | kergoth | good to know though |
| 22:34.21 | kenb | it's an rpath hack |
| 22:34.50 | kenb | When "make install" is on the way, it removes |
| 22:34.50 | kenb | > the shared libraries (built by make) and tries to relink them. Due |
| 22:34.50 | kenb | > to an incorrect rpath it doesn't seem to get the libs right and only |
| 22:34.51 | kenb | > builds one of them. The others depend on this one. |
| 22:35.01 | kenb | Ah yes there is a very long and sad story about this. |
| 22:35.01 | kenb | Apparently the latest libtool, or ones from a certain version, fix |
| 22:35.01 | kenb | this problem. Alternatively there is an evil patch somewhere that will |
| 22:35.01 | kenb | also fix it. Look in the archives (debian-devel iirc) for something |
| 22:35.01 | kenb | like LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL or similar. |
| 22:35.45 | kenb | so there's your source. |
| 22:35.51 | kergoth | indeed, thanks |
| 22:36.51 | mickeyl | kergoth: -r1.27 works |
| 22:37.03 | kergoth | mickeyl: feel free to push the reversion then |
| 22:37.22 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok. i think that fix for rh8 broke the rest.... |
| 22:37.41 | kergoth | yep it did |
| 22:37.46 | kergoth | i dunno what the fix is for rh8 |
| 22:38.56 | mickeyl | redhat seems to diverge further from "common linux" (if such a thing exists)... |
| 22:39.09 | kergoth | yeah, every revision introduces new oddities |
| 22:39.16 | kenb | which issue is this? |
| 22:39.30 | mickeyl | thank god mandrake don't follow them... well, if all goes wrong, there's still debian :-D |
| 22:39.35 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for docwhat: push vim into bk, your bk sent vim changeset is based on a parent changeset id that isnt in my tree, cant receive it. |
| 22:39.38 | kenb | And Slackware ;) |
| 22:39.47 | mickeyl | yep |
| 22:42.47 | mickeyl | kergoth: btw, what does that +export CC := $(word $(words $(CC)),$(CC)) |
| 22:42.52 | mickeyl | is for? |
| 22:43.02 | mickeyl | is this for the LIBTOOL mode? |
| 22:43.16 | kergoth | mickeyl: it strips out ccache and distcc, because some libtools freak out due to the multiword CC |
| 22:43.28 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah ok, what i thought.... *sigh* |
| 22:43.29 | kergoth | it strips out all but the last word |
| 22:57.22 | mewyn | kergoth: you dont' happen to have ntp time sync in OZ? |
| 22:57.57 | *** join/#openembedded SirPsycho-work (~SirPsycho@209-36-182-182.apachecorp.com) |
| 22:58.30 | SirPsycho-work | ok.. so my clock wasnt behaving.. i restartd atd and it seems ok now.. anyone know how long the atd restart "fix" is good for? If I reboot my Z do I have to restart atd each time? |
| 23:00.11 | mallum | kergoth: hmm apmlib seems to be crapping out on me now |
| 23:50.43 | *** join/#openembedded ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 23:50.43 | *** topic/#openembedded is OpenEmbedded - Where bots are abused 'round the clock | please don't ask kergoth about sd/mmc support | Women are hyperthreaded. |
| 23:51.04 | ljp | shhhh, ibot is back |
| 23:51.44 | kenb | ibot: libtool is a fool |
| 23:51.45 | | ...but libtool is already something else... |
| 23:51.51 | kenb | ibot: libtool |
| 23:51.52 | | GNU libtool is a generic library support script. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ |
| 23:52.01 | kenb | ibot: forget libtool |
| 23:52.08 | kenb | ibot: no libtool |
| 23:52.09 | | kenb: are you using Windows? |
| 23:52.32 | kenb | ibot: no, libtool is a fool, and can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ |
| 23:52.33 | | okay, kenb |
| 23:53.12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:53.57 | kenb | ;) |
| 23:56.40 | chouimat | kenb: I thought that libtool was the worst bullshit ever created by man after American Idol |
| 23:57.10 | kenb | chouimat: what about new kids on the block? |
| 23:57.36 | chouimat | or the jackson 5? |
| 23:58.48 | kenb | and mariah carry (sp) |
| 23:59.58 | ljp | or the Monkeys |