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| 00:25.40 | Dessimat0r | I'm so sick of Design Technology in college :/ |
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| 01:11.41 | JasonNJ | sup. |
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| 01:48.00 | treke|home | anyone familiar with bk arround? |
| 01:53.34 | kergoth`bbl | treke|home: for a bit. whats up |
| 01:53.36 | kergoth`bbl | yo JasonNJ |
| 01:54.07 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.47 | kergoth`bbl | first, bk prs filename |
| 01:54.51 | kergoth`bbl | to see the changes against that file |
| 01:55.09 | kergoth`bbl | then, bk get -r[thatversion] -p > heh; bk edit filename; mv heh filename |
| 01:55.11 | kergoth`bbl | (iirc) |
| 01:55.24 | kergoth`bbl | maybe theres an easier way, but thats how i usually do individual reversions |
| 01:55.38 | kergoth`bbl | you can produce a 'revert' changeset to back an entire changeset out tho |
| 01:55.43 | chouimat|bored | hmmm 100 pages and I finish that book |
| 01:56.31 | treke|home | ok |
| 01:56.52 | treke|home | finally sitting down to do some oe stuff, wanted to figure out what I broke :) |
| 02:01.05 | kergoth`bbl | ah cool |
| 02:02.28 | treke|home | one of those lets try and get caught up with the new oe stuff :) |
| 02:05.54 | treke|home | kergoth`bbl: small bug in the oz-base makefile. |
| 02:05.58 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.06 | treke|home | fails because of the SCCS directory |
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| 02:14.14 | effy-kun | kergoth: check your emaail ;) |
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| 02:25.40 | treke|home | hmmm. nothing left to drink in the house :( |
| 02:32.37 | Shdwdrgn | I see the sourceforge mailing lists are down yet again |
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| 02:51.58 | ljp | oohhhh, I like when recruiters send me email first.. heehehe |
| 03:04.39 | Dessimat0r | gn |
| 03:17.23 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 03:18.19 | ljp | code |
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| 04:03.12 | billytwowilly | wasabi? |
| 04:03.29 | hobbs | no, celery. |
| 04:03.38 | billytwowilly | hmmm.. |
| 04:04.09 | billytwowilly | I'd take wasabi over celery any day. wasabi makes better ceasars;) |
| 04:04.31 | billytwowilly | although I'd take creamed horseradish over wasabi.. |
| 04:09.08 | billytwowilly | anyone hear anything about what other platforms are currently being worked on for oe support? |
| 04:09.31 | treke|market | someone is doing webpal |
| 04:09.34 | treke|market | and ipaq |
| 04:09.40 | billytwowilly | tungsten? |
| 04:09.45 | treke|market | nope |
| 04:09.48 | billytwowilly | doh... |
| 04:10.01 | billytwowilly | how big is webpal? |
| 04:10.12 | treke|market | billytwowilly: its a set top box |
| 04:10.18 | billytwowilly | hehehehe. |
| 04:10.20 | billytwowilly | you beat me to it;) |
| 04:10.29 | billytwowilly | I was just going to say "is that a set top box?" |
| 04:10.48 | treke|market | billytwowilly: I wouldnt hold my breath on tungsten support :) |
| 04:10.54 | kenb | I'll be working on webpal in about a week |
| 04:11.12 | ljp | not |
| 04:11.18 | billytwowilly | doh... hehe. I'm in between a rock and a hard place at the moment;) I love the features of OZ/OE, however I need something small, like the tungsten.. |
| 04:11.54 | treke|market | billytwowilly: problem is that palm doesnt exactly want to encourage people to not use palmos, so I doubt they'll be forthcoming with the hardware info |
| 04:12.22 | kenb | Palm's main revenue stream is PalmOS licensing |
| 04:12.46 | billytwowilly | yah... I wish someone would make a linux PDA that was small, like the CLIE's and the tungsten. |
| 04:12.50 | kenb | Therefore, anything that helps run other OS's on Palm hardware won't be done. |
| 04:12.50 | treke|market | it doesnt like me today :) |
| 04:13.04 | treke|market | kenb, exactly |
| 04:13.12 | billytwowilly | kergoth said it shouldn't be too hard to setup the tungsten with OE> |
| 04:15.41 | billytwowilly | has anyone contacted IBM about their linux PDA? they should run OE:) maybe give kergoth a job or something;) |
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| 09:55.57 | Twiun | hey * |
| 10:11.35 | pb_ | hi Twiun |
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| 10:32.27 | Twiun | hey lsmith |
| 10:32.34 | lsmith | hoi |
| 10:49.30 | mickeyl | tronical: ping |
| 10:49.37 | tronical | pong |
| 10:50.46 | mickeyl | tronical: i have severe problems with the libxine build... can't get it to built anymore... some of the errors are coming... |
| 10:51.00 | mickeyl | aclocal: configure.ac: 113: macro `AM_PROG_AS_MOD' not found in library |
| 10:51.02 | mickeyl | aclocal: configure.ac: 137: macro `AM_GNU_GETTEXT' not found in library |
| 10:51.04 | mickeyl | aclocal: configure.ac: 517: macro `AM_PATH_LIBFAME' not found in library |
| 10:51.06 | mickeyl | aclocal: configure.ac: 584: macro `AM_PATH_OGG' not found in library |
| 10:51.08 | mickeyl | aclocal: configure.ac: 585: macro `AM_PATH_VORBIS' not found in library |
| 10:51.10 | mickeyl | aclocal: configure.ac: 643: macro `AM_PATH_ALSA' not found in library |
| 10:51.12 | mickeyl | aclocal: configure.ac: 709: macro `AM_CHECK_IRIXAL' not found in library |
| 10:51.14 | mickeyl | configure.ac: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE' must be used |
| 10:51.16 | mickeyl | automake: no proper implementation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE was found, |
| 10:51.18 | mickeyl | automake: probably because aclocal.m4 is missing... |
| 10:51.20 | mickeyl | automake: You should run aclocal to create this file, then |
| 10:51.22 | mickeyl | automake: run automake again. |
| 10:51.24 | mickeyl | configure.ac: installing `./install-sh' |
| 10:51.26 | mickeyl | configure.ac: installing `./mkinstalldirs' |
| 10:51.28 | mickeyl | configure.ac: installing `./missing' |
| 10:51.30 | mickeyl | configure.ac:73: installing `./config.guess' |
| 10:51.32 | mickeyl | configure.ac:73: installing `./config.sub' |
| 10:51.34 | mickeyl | m4/Makefile.am:5: INSTALL_M4 does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:51.36 | mickeyl | m4/Makefile.am:11: `m4data_DATA' is used but `m4datadir' is undefined. |
| 10:51.38 | mickeyl | src/audio_out/Makefile.am:9: HAVE_OSS does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:51.40 | mickeyl | src/audio_out/Makefile.am:13: HAVE_ALSA does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:51.42 | mickeyl | src/audio_out/Makefile.am:14: HAVE_ALSA09 does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:51.44 | mickeyl | src/audio_out/Makefile.am:19: HAVE_ESD does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:51.46 | mickeyl | src/audio_out/Makefile.am:23: HAVE_SUNAUDIO does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:51.48 | mickeyl | src/audio_out/Makefile.am:31: HAVE_ARTS does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 10:51.53 | tronical | heh, wow, sounds like a b0rked automake :) |
| 10:52.29 | mickeyl | tronical: no. it's a fresh one contained in buildroot. same i used to make earlier builds. |
| 10:52.58 | mickeyl | tronical: which version are you using? |
| 10:53.16 | tronical | 1.7.3 |
| 10:53.42 | mickeyl | this is automake, ok. and autoconf? |
| 10:54.00 | tronical | 2.57 |
| 10:54.24 | mickeyl | hmm... d'oh - this is exactly what I'm building in the buildroot. |
| 10:55.24 | mickeyl | seems you have more macros installed from earlier builds or the buildroot autotools don't pick up additional macros shipped with libxine |
| 10:55.39 | tronical | I'll try to remember to try to build it tonight using buildroot's autotools (but I have to run for the uni now :) |
| 10:55.49 | mickeyl | tronical: would be great. thanx |
| 10:55.57 | mickeyl | tronical: run carefully ;) |
| 10:55.59 | tronical | no, AM_PATH_OGG, etc. are all inside the xine sourcetree |
| 10:56.11 | tronical | could it be that you have ACLOCAL_FLAGS set? |
| 10:56.39 | mickeyl | no idea... i'm really not familiar with the auto-stuff... |
| 10:56.46 | tronical | hm, altho xine's autogen doesn't use it... |
| 10:57.19 | tronical | all the macros in question are in the m4 subdirectory of the xine sourcetree, and autogen.sh calls aclocal with -I m4, so it should all be best |
| 10:57.21 | tronical | best=set |
| 10:57.34 | mickeyl | aha! |
| 10:58.24 | tronical | aha? |
| 10:58.31 | tronical | found something? :) |
| 10:59.01 | mickeyl | yeah - i substituted the autogen call with the auto* sequence |
| 10:59.11 | mickeyl | missed -I m4 |
| 10:59.21 | mickeyl | could be the reason. |
| 10:59.29 | tronical | ahh, so you weren't really doing an oz build but trying to build xine manually? |
| 11:00.07 | mickeyl | tronical: no, i substituted them inside OZ. kergoth once said, it's better to call the tools manually than to use autogen.sh, because of some additional options |
| 11:00.38 | tronical | so you changed the libxine Makefile to not call autogen? |
| 11:01.06 | mickeyl | tronical: yes, i used the aclocal; automake; autoconf sequence |
| 11:01.23 | mickeyl | tronical: but just because it didn't built with autogen.sh |
| 11:01.36 | mickeyl | tronical: so i was trying if manually calling works |
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| 11:01.48 | tronical | uhm, it should really build with autogen.sh.. |
| 11:02.50 | tronical | argh, I'm late :) bbl |
| 11:03.05 | mickeyl | cu |
| 11:08.08 | mickeyl | tronical: found it! |
| 11:08.44 | mickeyl | tronical: i added automake 1.7 to buildroot, which had this bug. bumped up to 1.7.3 and it now works again. |
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| 13:07.05 | schurig | mickeyl: which package did your auto* update fix? |
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| 13:17.00 | Twiun | hey piete, schurig |
| 13:17.21 | Piete | yo |
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| 13:27.54 | schurig | Hi! |
| 13:28.01 | schurig | Twiun: made your big wonka commit? :-) |
| 13:28.43 | Twiun | schurig: give it a pull and see :) |
| 13:29.14 | schurig | Twiun: no, I can't program in java, so I won't even be able to compile some demo application |
| 13:29.32 | Twiun | hehe |
| 13:30.15 | Twiun | I think I'll need to have my own repository though - storing the qteawt code in the oz buildroot isn't ideal |
| 13:30.43 | Piete | heh, I'm gonna collapse on the floor any second now... nite :) |
| 13:31.07 | Twiun | time to get ready... bbl :) |
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| 14:37.51 | xyle | hi I am just wondering when will Zaurus SL5600 be released? |
| 14:39.02 | mickeyl | where in the world? afaik it has been released in usa |
| 14:39.27 | xyle | mickeyl: really? how much does it cost? |
| 14:41.07 | kenb | http://www.serialio.com/products/adaptors/ZThinCableUSB.htm |
| 14:41.09 | ljp | 5600 hasnt been released |
| 14:41.14 | kenb | It's not out in the USA yet. |
| 14:41.20 | kenb | Anyone have that cable? |
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| 14:47.22 | kenb | Well, I just ordered one |
| 15:00.41 | nofpu | that cable really charges too? |
| 15:04.31 | kenb | apparently. |
| 15:04.48 | kenb | which would be a godsend. |
| 15:05.20 | kenb | because the zaurus brick is a pain to carry around |
| 15:10.28 | nofpu | yeah |
| 15:10.54 | nofpu | I look forward to your review :) |
| 15:20.37 | kenb | Should have it in a few days. |
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| 16:06.41 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:10.01 | schurig | Meouw! |
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| 16:10.52 | schurig | noda: kergoth said you're good at database table design? |
| 16:11.00 | noda | Yeah, pretty good :) |
| 16:11.33 | schurig | noda: we need some database structure for what we have noted down on www.openembedded.org in the wiki :-) |
| 16:11.55 | schurig | we want to do it in sqlite |
| 16:12.38 | noda | No formal training, but lots of experience. |
| 16:12.38 | noda | schurig: I'll take a loot |
| 16:12.38 | noda | Okay. Shouldn't matter what DB we use :) |
| 16:12.38 | noda | s/DB/RDBMS/ |
| 16:13.14 | noda | schurig: Is this stuff hashed out in any particular page, or do I have to look through the whole wiki and piece things together? :) |
| 16:13.36 | schurig | Unfortunately, you have to look thought all the pages :-( |
| 16:13.50 | schurig | But it would be good anyway, please add your comments & thoughts while you do it |
| 16:14.06 | schurig | (or correct my bad english, many pages have been written by me, a non-native english speaker) |
| 16:15.03 | schurig | Basically, we have key/values, so that's easy. But we want to have not ONE set of them for a package, but serveral, e.g. one for iptables-1.2.3 and one for iptables-1.2.4 |
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| 16:16.14 | schurig | Also, I guess that over the time our tables get changed are some tables added. So maybe a "table-version" table would be nice, a python script could look after an BK update if all tables are up-to-date and if not, run the proper alter table stuff |
| 16:16.42 | noda | Okay. I'm perfectly willing, really! ... but I don't have time until Thursday :( |
| 16:16.42 | noda | Today I have an exam, tomorrow I have school school school, Wednesday I gotta do a contract I'm way behind on... brings me to Thursday :) |
| 16:16.42 | noda | schurig: The pages look great, I can't telly ou're not native :) |
| 16:16.47 | noda | Right, that's easy enough -- the key/values would have to be parsed into their parts. i.e., "iptables", "1.2.4" |
| 16:16.52 | noda | I think this'd have to be a chat session with kergoth involved too :) |
| 16:17.11 | schurig | Only lifed for 4 weeks in Redlands, CA. And for two weeks in Carlisle, Cumbria (or is that Northumberland?) |
| 16:18.12 | schurig | Hmm, that is NOT the key/value. The key would be "PACKAGE", the value "iptables-1.2.4". |
| 16:18.13 | noda | Hrm. I think table versioning is okay but shouldn't really be a big concern -- it'd probably be faster to rebuild most of the tables from scratch than go through all the hassles of "updating" them. |
| 16:18.19 | noda | Oh, okay. |
| 16:18.27 | schurig | noda: you might be right |
| 16:19.21 | noda | So we'd parse "package", "name", "version" |
| 16:19.21 | noda | Or something. |
| 16:19.21 | noda | schurig: Ideally it'd only take a few seconds with Perl or Python. |
| 16:20.15 | schurig | node: not if we end up with 3000 packages like in debian or Gentoo. Ideally I would like to import most of the Gentoo ebuilds as *.oe files, just enriched by our |
| 16:20.16 | schurig | hardware/platform/architecture/local bits ... |
| 16:20.25 | noda | Hey, that's an awesome idea :) |
| 16:20.25 | noda | (of course, each ebuild will have to be individually tested...) |
| 16:21.29 | schurig | My example with iptables above should just reflect this on change: in OZ we have only ONE packages/iptables/Makefile. And if you change that, the stable version you had is lost. |
| 16:21.29 | schurig | In OE we want to have several of those files, so we can divide stable/unstable/testing/playground even in the BK, not just for the finished IPK files |
| 16:21.53 | schurig | Gentoo just does not have ANY cross-compilation support and will it never have. But their *.ebuild files look quite readable and hey, I think we can put into our own tools and let *.ipk come out. :-) |
| 16:23.36 | schurig | Another thing what is very different to the current OZ: because we have basically Key/Values, it's easy to inherit stuff or to overwrite stuff. Inherit would be e.g. that all opie-apps inherit opie-generic definitions. Overwrite would be that hardware specific things, e.g. iPAQ vs Zaurus. You have the packages/something/*.oe file, and maybe board/ipaq/something/*.oe that overwrite only one, or two things of the original one. |
| 16:26.51 | noda | Even parsing 3000 files into a db shouldn't take that long. |
| 16:26.55 | noda | But I can see that "updating" would be helpful ;) |
| 16:26.55 | noda | schurig: We wouldn't need to tag by release -- or if we did, it coule be via symlink. Imagine packages/iptables/1.2.3, packages/iptables/1.2.4, packages/iptables/testing -> packages/iptables/1.2.4 |
| 16:27.00 | noda | Yeah, they're probably a great starting point. |
| 16:27.34 | noda | build/iptables/testing -> build/iptables/1.2.4 :) |
| 16:27.34 | noda | Okay, that's definitely expressible via an sql query (or several) |
| 16:27.34 | noda | And fun :) |
| 16:28.32 | schurig | noda: The dependency calucalation of Gentoo is slow, because they parse from source code |
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| 16:29.43 | schurig | noda: no symlinks ... in OE there is NO central authority that can say what's stable. For my platform, I might need this old SYSVINIT 0.1.3 and consider it stable, but for this other new platform the maintainer wants to have the new shiny need(8) based setup |
| 16:29.49 | noda | Ouch. But I guess it's got its benefits... |
| 16:30.12 | noda | Hrm, no symlinks... |
| 16:30.20 | schurig | I'd go by parsing the source files directly, the DB was an idea from kergoth |
| 16:30.52 | kenb | DB introduces issues with tweaking stuff by hand. |
| 16:30.53 | noda | Well then I guess we'd just make the version-naming scheme (build/iptables/1.2.4) and then have build/iptables/stable/VERSION with the characters "1.2.4" in it (for legibility) |
| 16:31.06 | schurig | it has it's advantage, because you could take the contents of the DB and create web pages etc |
| 16:31.15 | noda | But we don't want to need to tweak stuff by hand anyway, because it means something is wrong. |
| 16:31.25 | kenb | along with the whole problem of keeping it in sync with the filesystem. |
| 16:31.29 | kergoth`bbl | 'stable' isnt a version, its a branch of a distribution that affects configuration |
| 16:31.31 | noda | I think parsing source files would be a good idea. |
| 16:31.36 | noda | kergoth: Moo :) |
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| 16:32.06 | noda | s/version/branch/ :) |
| 16:32.17 | noda | I get confused by all the synonyms with slightly different inflections :) |
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| 16:33.14 | kergoth | yo icefox |
| 16:33.51 | schurig | noda: Suppose all the packages and dependency is in the DB. Then some graphical tool would read that and present part of it to the user. Then the user would, graphically, decide what packages and which packages he want. Surely we have some defaults, but ultimately it's the decision of the person that creates a buildroot to select stuff. So, no, I don't like symlinks or files with version numbers in the part of OE that get's "bk pull"ed. |
| 16:33.58 | noda | Hrm. While my DB knowledge is up to snuff, my buildsystem knowledge isn't. I guess I should take a peek at a few .debs and .ebuilds and see how they do stuff :) |
| 16:34.34 | noda | schurig: Oh, it wouldn't be bk pulled. It'd be purely icing for the curious user. |
| 16:34.43 | schurig | The defaults file could be ONE file with all packages/versions for one specific hardware/envinment, e.g. there would be some conf/defaults/zaurus-openzaurus4.0rc1 files that lists the default config for this hardware/environment |
| 16:34.49 | noda | If it were put in at all. Guess it's a weird idea. |
| 16:35.13 | kergoth | yep, schurig's got it. what versions of what packages are simply supplied configuration |
| 16:35.15 | noda | Okay, THAT would go into a table easily :) |
| 16:35.24 | kenb | yup |
| 16:35.35 | kergoth | schurig: fyi, i'm not completely breaking out the startup script madness to facilitate _any_ init yet |
| 16:35.50 | schurig | kergoth: it was an example, you know :-) |
| 16:35.51 | kergoth | I think I may just alter our sysvinit scripts to support need(8) based inits instead |
| 16:36.03 | noda | Hrm. What info we need: Well, for each package we need to track each... let's say branch (i.e., xine-lib 0.9 vs. xine-lib 1.0) and dependencies for each branch as well as dependencies inherent in all branch.es |
| 16:36.16 | noda | Then we'd need versions |
| 16:36.32 | noda | And then we'd have "default configurations" (stable, testing, unstable) |
| 16:36.35 | kergoth | noda: um, we track versioned dependencies now. depends rarely change between versions |
| 16:36.58 | noda | kergoth: I don't understand. To me those two sentences contradict each other... |
| 16:37.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:37.33 | noda | kergoth: We track dependencies for each version now? |
| 16:37.34 | kergoth | fraid not. the former is sometimes necessary, the second says rarely, not never. |
| 16:37.37 | kergoth | read it again |
| 16:37.44 | schurig | noda: do me a favor and visit some of the links into gentoo that I put into the wiki. For example: |
| 16:37.44 | noda | Okay. Yes, I know, it must be a feature of the DB |
| 16:37.46 | schurig | http://cvs.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gentoo-x86/app-admin/sysklogd/#dirlist |
| 16:37.55 | noda | schurig: Okay, I will on Thursday -- no time until then :( |
| 16:39.04 | kergoth | so i jumped into the middle, is noda going to be looking at the design of our db for the oe buildsystem? |
| 16:39.18 | noda | kergoth: That's what schurig was suggesting :) |
| 16:39.26 | kergoth | figured |
| 16:40.00 | noda | I know little about buildsystem design, much about db design. Might be better if I just give it a once-over at the end, but I'm perfectly willing (if not confident) to make the entire layout :) |
| 16:40.04 | schurig | kergoth: I asked noda because you suggested him :-) |
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| 16:40.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:40.31 | schurig | but maybe it's overkill, the layout might be very simplistic for our start |
| 16:40.39 | noda | Hopefully you guys will be here on Thurs, I'll be able to come up with a basic design |
| 16:40.57 | noda | schurig: Bad idea. Best to make it as complicated as possible at the *beginning* because it's much simpler than making it complicated *later* :) |
| 16:41.12 | schurig | KISS |
| 16:41.28 | schurig | i guess you know that abbrev ... |
| 16:41.51 | noda | Just looked it up. *loves gnome-dictionary* |
| 16:42.12 | noda | schurig: I've seen DB's grow, both as a result of my incompetence and (much more) as a result of others' :) |
| 16:42.47 | noda | schurig: For example, if we keep dependencies for each version of software, we'll end up with a simpler database than if we keep dependencies per *package* then work on finding the "exceptions" and working around then. |
| 16:42.51 | noda | s/then/them/ |
| 16:42.54 | kergoth | well, its basically key/value pairs.. just happens some of the information is special |
| 16:42.54 | kergoth | it'd be cool if you could have 3 dimensional tables |
| 16:43.05 | noda | kergoth: Hehehe, that's just two tables :) |
| 16:43.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:43.12 | kergoth | noda: i know |
| 16:43.13 | kergoth | noda: but still :) |
| 16:44.01 | noda | kergoth: Maybe I'll make a 3d table-graphing program at some point, then it'll LOOK 3d :P |
| 16:44.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:44.10 | schurig | we need dependencies for EACH version. Suppose we had xine-lib 0.9 vs. xine-lib 1.0 and one generic xine dependency. xine-0.9 is known to work. Now one nerd comes and changes the generic xine, because he needs some shiny things there in xine-1.0 and thought it's generic. And whoops, he might have made xine-0.9 uncompilable. |
| 16:44.10 | kergoth | i dont care about fancy guis, you should know better by now :) |
| 16:44.17 | noda | Hrm, I wonder what a 4d system would look like ;) |
| 16:44.23 | kergoth | schurig: every key/value pair must be independent for version |
| 16:44.48 | kergoth | i.e. seperate oe for each available version.. maybe they inheret from a sane core, maybe they're completely different |
| 16:45.09 | schurig | Bascially, we don't have tuples, but triples: package-version/key/value |
| 16:45.09 | schurig | kergoth: is that what you meant? |
| 16:45.14 | noda | So one table has package_version | package_id | version |
| 16:46.12 | noda | Erm. I mean, "package_version: package_version_id | package_id | version" |
| 16:46.12 | noda | Another, package: package_id name |
| 16:46.12 | noda | Then depends: package_version_id package_version_id |
| 16:46.21 | noda | (which the buildsystem would recurse through to find the depends of each "child" package_version_id) |
| 16:47.02 | noda | Gotta go now. This db looks like fun, but y'know, school, tests 'n stuff... |
| 16:48.24 | icefox | hey kergoth |
| 16:48.25 | icefox | whats up |
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| 16:50.44 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:50.51 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:51.00 | icefox | whats up |
| 16:51.06 | kergoth | pondering init |
| 16:51.55 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:52.05 | kergoth | specifically, whether to keep the same init scripts between sysvinit and need(8) based inits |
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| 16:53.21 | kergoth | the only thing thatd be a pain, is keeping around the rc*.d symlinks to the scripts.. basically I need to reflect the need(8) dependency digraph as the rc*.d numbering |
| 16:53.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:55.39 | chouimat | kergoth: anynews? |
| 16:55.55 | kergoth | chouimat: I have part of the SPI chapter of locomo translated |
| 16:55.59 | kergoth | not quite all yet |
| 16:56.13 | chouimat | ok |
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| 17:04.16 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:04.29 | carsten | hi kergoth and co |
| 17:04.48 | kergoth | hey carsten |
| 17:04.49 | kergoth | how are you |
| 17:05.24 | carsten | I worked all day in the lab. Firstsemesters started a 2weeks-practice-week in the lab I "maintain" |
| 17:05.25 | chouimat | ibot change 1 cad to usd |
| 17:05.42 | carsten | I don't know the word for maintain. I am the guy running 'round answering questions |
| 17:06.10 | chouimat | carsten: teacher slave? |
| 17:06.37 | carsten | no, it's called Hiwi in germany. I am working for the uni and am running a course for 12 students |
| 17:09.01 | treke | ah cool. oz compiles again :) |
| 17:12.19 | icefox | Game theory applies to the fans, too. The tension of a decision such as "Do I throw a beer at the guy in the next row?" have important game theory connotations. If you throw your beer at him, you don't have a beer anymore. Complex stuff. |
| 17:12.20 | icefox | haha |
| 17:12.49 | treke | icefox: the answer to that is simple, no |
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| 17:21.35 | kergoth | lol |
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| 17:31.19 | chouimat | hmm are we monday or friday |
| 17:31.41 | treke | monday |
| 17:31.46 | carsten | monday |
| 17:34.22 | chouimat | that was about icefox comment :) |
| 17:37.35 | icefox | I wonder if you could apply game theory to better calculate the time it would take to finish something such as a file download? |
| 17:40.35 | mewyn | rum > beer |
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| 17:46.44 | icefox | int lag, laglag; |
| 17:46.50 | icefox | Now there is "good" variable naming |
| 17:46.51 | icefox | :-D |
| 17:51.17 | kergoth | coool |
| 17:51.37 | kergoth | bk change logs will be going to a ML soon |
| 17:51.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:51.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:52.26 | icefox | ML? |
| 17:52.30 | kergoth | mailing list |
| 17:52.34 | kergoth | same as a cvs logs list |
| 17:52.38 | tronical | icefox: glad you like the qt properties idea :) |
| 17:52.38 | kergoth | didnt know how to make bk do that too |
| 17:52.44 | icefox | bk == BitKeeper? |
| 17:52.48 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:53.19 | icefox | tronical: yah the change the Q_PROPERTY was actually the third re-write of that class. |
| 17:53.30 | icefox | definatly the best way to go |
| 17:53.54 | icefox | I look forward to converting some more applications |
| 17:54.30 | mickeyl | tronical: read my comment after you left for uni? |
| 17:54.56 | tronical | mickeyl: yes, glad it turned out to be an automake problem :) |
| 17:55.21 | kergoth | hey tronical |
| 17:55.22 | mickeyl | tronical: yep, me too. didn't want to dive into this stuff ;) |
| 17:55.28 | tronical | hey kergoth |
| 17:55.29 | mickeyl | hi kergoth |
| 17:55.34 | icefox | oh hey no one responded to my QDialogBase question? Can I add the new constructor? |
| 17:55.51 | mickeyl | damn. |
| 17:55.56 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.06 | mickeyl | undefined reference to 'not' ? |
| 17:56.21 | mickeyl | hmm... i thought the c++ lexer translates this to ! |
| 17:56.21 | mickeyl | ? |
| 17:56.46 | tronical | mickeyl: are you sure the file in question is compiled with g++? |
| 17:57.55 | mickeyl | tronical: yep. works perfectly on my desktop (g++ 3.2), but breaks in oz build (g++ 2.9x) |
| 17:58.20 | tronical | mickeyl: is there a warning during compilation of that file? |
| 17:59.15 | mickeyl | tronical: d'oh! yes! olistview.cpp: In method `bool OListViewItem::isAlternate()': |
| 17:59.15 | mickeyl | olistview.cpp:208: warning: implicit declaration of function `int not(...)' |
| 17:59.29 | mickeyl | hmm.... |
| 17:59.45 | mickeyl | when has "not" been introduced to g++? |
| 18:00.23 | tronical | mickeyl: indeed, I can reproduce it here with a testcase. gcc2 bug. |
| 18:00.31 | tronical | gcc2 just sucks. |
| 18:00.49 | pb_ | quite. |
| 18:00.51 | mickeyl | tronical: ok, thanks for confirming.... now I have to use ! but i'm really used to the verbose 'not' *sigh* |
| 18:00.53 | tronical | mickeyl: not, or and and valid C++ keywords |
| 18:01.53 | Neo|Work | which is just purely sick if you ask me. :P |
| 18:02.26 | tronical | Neo|Work: why? |
| 18:02.34 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.37 | Neo|Work | yuck |
| 18:02.59 | Neo|Work | it doesn't make the language easier in any way and is just unnecessary |
| 18:03.05 | Neo|Work | the above is much harder |
| 18:03.20 | tronical | how can 'a and b' be harder than 'a && b' ? |
| 18:03.26 | Neo|Work | since you don't as easilly can differentiate between variables and ops etc |
| 18:03.38 | kergoth | 'and' doesnt stick out in my mental C parser :) |
| 18:03.42 | Neo|Work | !a && b stands out more than not a and b |
| 18:03.45 | kergoth | it blends |
| 18:03.46 | kergoth | right |
| 18:04.05 | tronical | well, you don't call your variables 'if' 'for' or 'while' either, do you? :) |
| 18:04.05 | tronical | or 'export' ;) |
| 18:04.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:04.28 | mickeyl | actually, if you're programming in more languages than C and C++, you will realize and and or etc. are used very often |
| 18:04.38 | mickeyl | & i like it :) |
| 18:04.52 | kergoth | Subject: [TEST] incoming push in |
| 18:04.53 | kergoth | +oemx.digi.com:/db/kergoth/coding/userspace/oz/buildroot |
| 18:04.54 | kergoth | w00t |
| 18:05.00 | mickeyl | cool :) |
| 18:05.00 | kergoth | we have bk notifications |
| 18:05.03 | kergoth | but |
| 18:05.10 | kergoth | they happen from everybody's fucking local repo |
| 18:05.14 | kergoth | i need to make it check if we're on bkbits :) |
| 18:05.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:06.10 | Neo|Work | mickeyl: yes, and no matter the language, I find it to be unnecessary sugar that doesn't make the syntax easier |
| 18:06.18 | Neo|Work | it's programming, not creative writing |
| 18:07.15 | mickeyl | Neo|Work: well then, you happen to like cryptic syntax. ok. i bet you're perl zealot also and hate python. right? :) |
| 18:07.28 | kergoth | hhee |
| 18:07.38 | kergoth | I love perl, but love python more |
| 18:07.56 | kergoth | and i still prefer && to and ;) |
| 18:08.19 | mickeyl | kergoth: you're a language agnostic, that's pretty cool. |
| 18:08.47 | kergoth | mickeyl: throws off my habits tho |
| 18:08.51 | kergoth | adding ; to python lines |
| 18:08.52 | kergoth | && vs and |
| 18:08.54 | kergoth | etc |
| 18:08.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:08.58 | mickeyl | hehe ;) |
| 18:09.09 | mickeyl | sounds familiar to me, especially the ; |
| 18:09.09 | Neo|Work | mickeyl: I find begin/end etc equally unnecessary and verbose |
| 18:09.28 | mickeyl | Neo|Work: oh there I agree with you. i hate begin and end, that's why i love ':' |
| 18:09.34 | Neo|Work | mickeyl: and I absolutely hate perl. python - don't know it at all really |
| 18:09.50 | Neo|Work | I'm into C, C++, Pike, Java - those kind of languages which all pretty much look the same |
| 18:10.20 | chouimat | arrrrggggggg |
| 18:10.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: you familiar with sqlite bindings for python? Someone needs to learn them to start on the new buildsystem fun, once noda designs the DB |
| 18:10.37 | Neo|Work | perl is a messy messup of special case one character magic operators. :P |
| 18:10.54 | Neo|Work | for a buildsystem why use sqllite? |
| 18:11.03 | kergoth | necessary |
| 18:11.09 | Neo|Work | (well, I'd wonder why SWL at all but I won't bother with thtat. :P |
| 18:11.09 | kergoth | it retains huge amounts of package metadata in flatfiles |
| 18:11.18 | kergoth | its a performance issue |
| 18:11.26 | kergoth | parsing and reparsing the flatfiles is horrendous |
| 18:11.27 | Neo|Work | what I mean, why not mysql or postgres? |
| 18:11.53 | kergoth | lightweight, we dont need that complexity |
| 18:11.59 | Neo|Work | since it's not to run on the handheld itself why use a "lite' one? |
| 18:12.06 | Neo|Work | can't say mysql is heavyweight. :P |
| 18:12.16 | Neo|Work | btw, is sqllite client/server ? |
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| 18:13.43 | kergoth | Neo|Work: we want something small and selfcontained |
| 18:13.49 | kergoth | Neo|Work: sqlite is a c lib and a flatfile db |
| 18:14.00 | Neo|Work | does it use sql syntax? |
| 18:14.13 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:14.16 | Neo|Work | and flatfile - flatfile how? I mean, most db's use a file or three in the bottom... |
| 18:14.30 | kergoth | read the FAQ .. sqlite.org :) |
| 18:14.31 | Neo|Work | I mean, I hope it's a binary file etc? |
| 18:14.46 | kergoth | we were going to use a berkeley db :) |
| 18:14.52 | kergoth | but would rather have sql syntax |
| 18:15.32 | Neo|Work | reason I'm asking is because I've wanted, in the bast, a database that has the power of SQL (i.e rows/columns) rather than being dbm-based (key/value) |
| 18:15.37 | Neo|Work | and that doesn't use a separate server |
| 18:15.57 | Neo|Work | SQLite is just that which is cool. :P |
| 18:16.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:16.22 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:16.24 | Neo|Work | gesh, it even has subselects and stuff |
| 18:16.32 | kergoth | yeah, it rocks |
| 18:16.46 | kergoth | aha i added notification to the bkbits OZ tree |
| 18:16.49 | chouimat | mickeyl: sqllite? |
| 18:17.10 | chouimat | kergoth: maso |
| 18:17.11 | mickeyl | chouimat: yes |
| 18:17.41 | mickeyl | ibot: seen TheMasterMind1 |
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| 18:18.02 | Neo|Work | and transactions etc. cool little thing |
| 18:18.09 | Neo|Work | might be my new friend. :P |
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| 18:28.18 | pb_ | yeah, sqlite is what we use for all the data storage in GPE, it seems to work well. |
| 18:32.31 | Neo|Work | I like the concept a lot from reading a bit |
| 18:32.42 | treke | kergoth: you get mailed for every pull? |
| 18:33.19 | kergoth | treke: and push.. for everybody's repository, once you pull the changeset that adds the trigger |
| 18:33.22 | kergoth | treke: but i just fixed it |
| 18:33.27 | kergoth | treke: now it only sends logs for the bkbits repository |
| 18:33.49 | kergoth | and it sends them to openzaurus-cvslogs for now, i'll change it to openzaurus-bk-commit once that mailing list is functional |
| 18:33.51 | treke | kergoth: did the dail export ever get fixed? |
| 18:34.00 | kergoth | doubt it |
| 18:34.02 | kergoth | scanline: you around? |
| 18:49.54 | mickeyl | wow! kernel >2.4.19 changes visibility of u32 etc types. now including <linux/wireless.h> dumps a shitload of errors and the build breaks. |
| 18:50.21 | mickeyl | this affects opie-networksettings, opie-wirelessapplet, opie-wellenreiter etc.... |
| 18:54.12 | kergoth | err |
| 18:54.28 | kergoth | u32 isnt visable to userspace? thats the whole point of that type.. |
| 18:54.34 | kergoth | u32 - __u32.. |
| 18:54.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:55.06 | pb_ | mickeyl: if you include <linux/*> from user space, you lose. |
| 18:55.31 | mickeyl | pb_: nope. not for <linux/wireless.h>, which has no user space equivalent |
| 18:55.41 | mickeyl | well, linux/wireless.h includes linux/ethtool.h which is using them a lot without defining __KERNEL__ |
| 18:55.52 | kergoth | well, certain tools need them that are tightly buond to kernel |
| 18:55.55 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs |
| 18:55.57 | kergoth | wireless-tools |
| 18:56.47 | mickeyl | this is no problem, since it will take us a while on the Z, but it's not nice on x86 |
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| 18:57.02 | mickeyl | take us a while to get to 2.4.20 |
| 18:57.04 | mickeyl | i meant |
| 19:03.28 | mickeyl | ah Jean is already aware of this and will have the offending #include line removed in the next WE |
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| 19:04.25 | kergoth | mickeyl: ah, good |
| 19:11.51 | mickeyl | is anyone here using the symbol/spectrum card for sniffing with OZ? |
| 19:12.12 | mickeyl | wlan sniffing even... *g* |
| 19:12.57 | mickeyl | while some folks with sharp rom report it works fine, our symbol driver still freezes while changing channels... |
| 19:15.09 | kergoth | mickeyl: maybe we missed a patch. that using the new orinoco-modules package that includes both orinoco and spectrum? |
| 19:16.09 | mickeyl | kergoth: could be. packages/orinoco/ seems messy... there's one big patch - where did this came from? |
| 19:16.18 | mickeyl | come even |
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| 19:17.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:17.34 | kergoth | what are you talking about? |
| 19:17.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17.40 | kergoth | there's 5 patches |
| 19:17.42 | kergoth | a clean patchset |
| 19:18.21 | mickeyl | only one (the big one) is listed as a patch in the Makefile |
| 19:18.41 | mickeyl | for 2.4.6 |
| 19:18.56 | mickeyl | ah ok and a 2nd |
| 19:19.13 | mickeyl | i will take a look into this when i'm back |
| 19:19.31 | kergoth | huh? |
| 19:19.54 | mickeyl | I'll be back on weekend. |
| 19:20.06 | kergoth | all 4 are used, depending On WE version |
| 19:20.14 | kergoth | only 3 for WE < 16 |
| 19:20.40 | kergoth | one patch adds spectrum support to orinoco, then the others deal with monitor mode and the wireless scanning support from WE16 |
| 19:21.51 | mickeyl | right. |
| 19:22.26 | mickeyl | nevertheless it's freezing. i'll compare to the latest versions from Snax and albert |
| 19:22.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:22.37 | kergoth | we're using those |
| 19:22.45 | kergoth | the Z guy is adding another patch we dont know about |
| 19:23.01 | mickeyl | who? |
| 19:23.11 | kergoth | the person packaging spectrum for the Z |
| 19:23.19 | kergoth | the one that people use that doesnt exhibit the behavior |
| 19:23.21 | mickeyl | ahh this ian@cybersomething? |
| 19:23.31 | zecke | mickeyl: AGent Z, Captain Buzz's Lightyears old camerade |
| 19:23.57 | kergoth | mickeyl: yes |
| 19:23.58 | kergoth | iang |
| 19:24.02 | kergoth | er |
| 19:24.05 | kergoth | not g |
| 19:24.08 | kergoth | whats his last name again |
| 19:24.12 | kergoth | he frequents irc occasionally |
| 19:24.22 | mickeyl | cool - we should ask him |
| 19:24.28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:24.29 | kergoth | definately |
| 19:24.54 | kergoth | the reason we have these patchset was to merge orinoco and spectrum in OZ, and also i needed a monitor mode patch that worked with WE16/scanning |
| 19:25.06 | kergoth | which didnt exist for quite some time, tmm1 hacked on getting the patches to play nice |
| 19:25.23 | mickeyl | yeah, we don't want different orinoco_cs floating around |
| 19:26.24 | mickeyl | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/socket.html : "It also has a modified version of Snax's monitor mode patch applied, which will be useful later.". so this modification is what we're interested in. |
| 19:26.51 | kergoth | yeah most likely |
| 19:27.05 | kergoth | we're applyiing all the numerous stock patches and making them play nice, i dunno what that modification is |
| 19:27.15 | kergoth | maybe we should search some mailing lists, maybe this bug has been mentioend |
| 19:27.36 | mickeyl | ok, i promise i take a look then. i love my symbol cf more than my buffalo but must use the latter for scanning yet :-D |
| 19:27.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:27.43 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:27.45 | kergoth | thanks |
| 19:28.07 | mickeyl | np. bbl if i have wlan access on the conference. take care, dudes. |
| 19:28.13 | kergoth | later |
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| 20:25.26 | treke | oz is starving distributed.net for time :) |
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| 20:52.46 | chouimat|away | kergoth: ping |
| 20:53.30 | kergoth | chouimat|away: pong |
| 20:53.49 | chouimat|away | it's ok :) |
| 20:54.58 | chouimat|away | kergoth: just saw your .oe parser :) |
| 20:55.47 | kergoth | chouimat|away: based on portage's getconfig.. so its GPL.. not sure if we should just go gpl, or if we should start over and go bsd, not using anything from portage |
| 20:56.34 | chouimat|away | hmmmm |
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| 21:18.10 | Twiun | evenin chaps |
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| 21:18.43 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 21:24.01 | kergoth | damn, the bkbits tree notification doesnt seem to work |
| 21:24.10 | kergoth | maybe theres no mail binary on hostme.bitkeeper.com |
| 21:25.24 | Twiun | kergoth: got a chance to chat to one of the developers TT hired to write the original qtawt (the one used in Jeode) |
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| 21:25.39 | AndyQ | hey guys |
| 21:25.43 | Twiun | hey Andy |
| 21:25.48 | kergoth | Twiun: ah nice.. and? |
| 21:25.49 | kergoth | hey AndyQ |
| 21:26.21 | Twiun | kergoth: from the sound of things his life's been poisoned by the experience... he was like ljp and bb going at each other all in one |
| 21:26.39 | kergoth | Twiun: ack |
| 21:26.52 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 21:26.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i always miss mickeyl|away |
| 21:27.02 | AndyQ | everyone hava a good weekend? |
| 21:27.06 | Twiun | kergoth: here's a few choice quotes :) |
| 21:27.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh, we were talking about the spectrum channel switch hang issue when hoppin |
| 21:27.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remember what the scoop was with that? |
| 21:27.28 | Twiun | Twiun: you want an adwise? STOP IT! It is a nightmare, as I said I developed one with my colleagues. You will be on LOTS and LOTS of trouble! maming push buttons work is easy, but once you come to custom painters, you will say samn I wish I had listed to .... |
| 21:27.46 | Twiun | Twiun: I mean it, We worked in the order of magnitude 1 man year on this project. We were highly proffesional Qt programmers, and we had a lot of backup from Trolltech. When we were done, we weren't really happy about the result, so beleive me you will die in this project, stop it now, and you will be happier. If you want a project to wortk on, just let me know I have lots to share ;-) |
| 21:27.59 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:27.59 | Twiun | the poor guy got really worked up |
| 21:28.00 | kergoth | damn |
| 21:28.10 | treke|home | maybe you should stop :) |
| 21:28.14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i don't remember it hanging, just it would not work in monitor mode.. if it stopped reciving packets it wouldn't start up again. that was fixed though, had to reset card everytime you change channel |
| 21:28.24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: er yeah, that behavior. im gettin mixed up |
| 21:28.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats fixed in our current drivers? |
| 21:28.31 | Twiun | nah, if things get too tough, I'll just get another maintainer :) |
| 21:28.50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yes |
| 21:28.54 | treke|home | <Twiun> oh yeah it was really easy. feel free to email me if you have trouble |
| 21:29.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: its been fixed for a while, i think he's seeing some other issue.. |
| 21:29.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah |
| 21:29.07 | treke|home | * Twiun changes closes is email account |
| 21:29.15 | ljp_work | huh.. whhhaa? someone mention me? |
| 21:29.16 | Twiun | treke|home: haha |
| 21:29.27 | Twiun | nah, get back to sleep :) |
| 21:29.47 | ljp_work | whatever happened to BB? I havent seen him around lately |
| 21:29.58 | kergoth | dunno |
| 21:30.11 | treke|home | tkc has been really quite lately |
| 21:30.12 | ljp_work | need a good word fest... |
| 21:30.25 | treke|home | no posts to the mailing list in 9 days |
| 21:30.38 | ljp_work | maybe evryone got banned |
| 21:30.51 | AndyQ | heh a lot of people have gone awol recently |
| 21:31.02 | Twiun | kergoth: so anyway, I'll keep at it, but I'll probably reach a point where I'll need some serious QA and Qt support |
| 21:31.19 | kergoth | Twiun: gotcha |
| 21:32.16 | chouimat | ulyx weather |
| 21:32.16 | ulyx | 51 minutes ago, on Mon Feb 24 21:00:00 UTC 2003, the wind was blowing at a speed of 7.20 meters per second (16.11 miles per hour) from the Southwest at CYQB. The temperature was -12 degrees Celsius (10 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 51.3%. There were scattered clouds at a height of 3048 meters (10000 feet) and broken clouds at a height of 6096 meters |
| 21:32.16 | ulyx | (20000 feet). |
| 21:32.46 | Twiun | what's the general feeling about svn? |
| 21:33.07 | chouimat | Twiun: I use it and it's slow |
| 21:33.22 | kergoth | anyone played with arch recently? i havent tried it in a while |
| 21:33.39 | chouimat | kergoth: the ftp-based one? |
| 21:34.06 | Twiun | I quite like bk, but for a few things I'm going to be working on soon the license it has may not be appropriate |
| 21:34.13 | Twiun | so I'm open to alternatives |
| 21:34.22 | Twiun | ClearCase I know but it's too expensive |
| 21:34.43 | treke|home | SourceSafe |
| 21:35.05 | chouimat | ~lart sourceforge cvs |
| 21:35.11 | chouimat | ~lart sourceforge cvs |
| 21:35.29 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: svn |
| 21:35.42 | chouimat | cd /work/source/emu/VisualBoyAdvance/ |
| 21:35.42 | chouimat | bash-2.05b# cvs -z8 -q up -dP |
| 21:35.42 | chouimat | cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 21:35.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:35.57 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: any visual tools? |
| 21:36.01 | TheMasterMind1 | visualboyadvance eh? |
| 21:36.02 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: dunno |
| 21:36.12 | chouimat | Twiun: rapidsvn |
| 21:36.28 | tronical | Twiun: three things I dislike about svn: a) it's slow b) berkely db as backend. one bit wrong and your whole repository is fucked up. much better with cvs, much more transparent. c) the apache2/dav layer on top. a huge pile of code that gets executed from the incoming data on the socket to the actual svn server (concerned security wise) |
| 21:36.38 | AndyQ | chouimat: I see your still abusing the bots :) |
| 21:37.17 | tronical | Twiun: oh, and fourth point: ~2 times bigger repositories than cvs/rcs :} |
| 21:37.17 | chouimat | AndyQ: hehe :) |
| 21:37.38 | Twiun | tronical: one of the things I miss from ClearCase are good revision/merging tools |
| 21:38.27 | tronical | sofar I find bk to be the best (technically) , except that I wonder how good bk scales tho (on the linux 2.5 kernel tree bk is awfully slow) |
| 21:38.40 | zecke | hi tronical |
| 21:38.49 | tronical | hi zecke |
| 21:38.57 | Twiun | I need to read the bk license+prices some more I think |
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| 21:39.48 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 21:39.55 | Twiun | hey Dess |
| 21:40.05 | AndyQ | hey Dess |
| 21:40.09 | Dessimat0r | gah, this pen allows me to write quickly, but it absolutly KILLS my hand |
| 21:40.47 | Dessimat0r | doing crappy Business Studies |
| 21:40.49 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:40.55 | Dessimat0r | not as bad as Design Technology tho |
| 21:40.57 | Dessimat0r | ..ugh |
| 21:41.18 | AndyQ | yup |
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| 21:48.56 | killefiz | Is the 5600 already available in the us? |
| 21:49.01 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:50.26 | kenb | I'm tempted to sell my 5500d and get one when it is |
| 21:50.33 | kenb | I just wonder what the market will be like. |
| 21:51.04 | killefiz | i hope it will be released in the end |
| 21:52.17 | icefox | the 5600 will be released |
| 21:52.34 | icefox | I just sat through a long meetinga bout it |
| 21:52.56 | AndyQ | icefox, do you know if it be released in the UK |
| 21:53.04 | icefox | sorry no clue on that |
| 21:53.05 | AndyQ | insert a will inthere somewhere |
| 21:53.09 | AndyQ | pah! |
| 21:53.15 | AndyQ | rumor has it that it won't be |
| 21:53.39 | AndyQ | not that I'd get one anyway but its nice to see that the UK market is alive and well |
| 21:57.04 | killefiz | icefox: i heard a rumour today that it will probably released in germany in summer |
| 21:59.27 | icefox | fun fun |
| 21:59.38 | icefox | well time for me to go home and get food |
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| 22:08.26 | thMachine | in OZ3.1rc2, /etc/fstab, how do i set it so my ext2 formatted SD card won't be insanely slow... the FAQ at oz.org talks about removing a ,sync option but there isn't any such option in my fstab file |
| 22:10.13 | bisho | By default is at nosync mode |
| 22:10.19 | bisho | Add also "noatime" |
| 22:10.39 | bisho | But SD is still very slow... |
| 22:10.44 | thMachine | noatime seems to already be there |
| 22:10.47 | bisho | either in FAT/ext2 |
| 22:11.23 | Dessimat0r | what does noatime do? |
| 22:11.36 | bisho | Do not update access time on files |
| 22:11.41 | Dessimat0r | aah |
| 22:11.56 | thMachine | the speed of the entire handheld drops if it's ext2 however, it seems to perform much fast w/ sd as fat, but fat can't do links which gets annoying |
| 22:12.00 | bisho | improves flash life |
| 22:12.27 | bisho | Try minix |
| 22:12.34 | bisho | But it has another problem... |
| 22:12.40 | Dessimat0r | everything is fine with ext2 for me |
| 22:12.43 | bisho | 64 chars filenames only |
| 22:12.47 | kergoth | minix is limited to 64mb too |
| 22:12.59 | bisho | and 64mb max also... |
| 22:13.02 | thMachine | then minix is out cuz its 128mb sd card |
| 22:13.03 | bisho | true |
| 22:13.18 | bisho | maybe you can make partitions |
| 22:13.20 | kergoth | unless you partition it into two |
| 22:13.22 | kergoth | yea :) |
| 22:13.26 | bisho | :) |
| 22:13.35 | Dessimat0r | minux also truncates long filenames ;) |
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| 22:13.43 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:13.43 | Dessimat0r | minix |
| 22:13.43 | kergoth | he already said that |
| 22:13.43 | kergoth | look again |
| 22:13.48 | kergoth | '64 chars filenames only' |
| 22:13.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:13.52 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 22:13.56 | Dessimat0r | i see ;) |
| 22:14.06 | bisho | :) |
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| 22:14.21 | kergoth | PicoBot: wb |
| 22:14.22 | PicoBot | tx, good to be back! |
| 22:14.32 | thMachine | is there anything else i would want to check besides those fstab options? |
| 22:14.39 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:15.09 | thMachine | would i be nice and unique then in my experience of ext2 slowing the os down to unbearably slow? |
| 22:15.24 | kergoth | ext2 has nothing to do with the os |
| 22:15.28 | kergoth | but ext2 on flash media is slow |
| 22:16.14 | thMachine | what i've had happening with me is that whenever the SD card is ext2, the entire OS performs significantly slower than it does if the card were fat |
| 22:16.21 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:16.25 | kergoth | anything you run _from_ the card is slower |
| 22:16.29 | bisho | Maybe a ext2 loopback device on a vfat partition? |
| 22:16.31 | bisho | XDDD |
| 22:16.32 | kergoth | the OS general performance is unaffected |
| 22:16.40 | kergoth | you're mistaken |
| 22:16.48 | chouimat | akkkk that ip database is bullshit need to manually add some ips |
| 22:16.59 | thMachine | this is happening even when running apps installed to root though, like the Konsole or the pim apps |
| 22:17.12 | kergoth | thMachine: then its only happening for you. |
| 22:17.21 | kergoth | doesnt occur for me or anyone else i've spoken to |
| 22:17.59 | bisho | Are you sure you are not mounting the SD as root? |
| 22:18.05 | thMachine | all right then, then my answer for my problem being unique would be a yes |
| 22:18.21 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:18.28 | thMachine | bisho: SD is not being mounted as root, it's being mounted as /mnt/card |
| 22:18.51 | bisho | And you are not linking the usr and so on to the SD? |
| 22:19.16 | bisho | Usually very few space remains to install apps on the system... |
| 22:19.27 | bisho | and Konsole is a big one... |
| 22:19.38 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:19.39 | thMachine | not yet, i was trying to set up moving opt, home and root over to the SD but i wanted links to be working if i did that |
| 22:19.54 | bisho | aham |
| 22:20.32 | bisho | I have that way, and it's true that is slow... Programs on the SD card take long to load. :( |
| 22:20.33 | Dessimat0r | 4 nosebleeds today. this can't be good |
| 22:20.51 | bisho | Dessimat0r: yuck! :( |
| 22:21.01 | thMachine | this is pre-doing the move however.. |
| 22:21.14 | Dessimat0r | its fucking Design Technolody, its causing me an unbearable amount of stress |
| 22:21.24 | Dessimat0r | and the workload just keeps getting worse |
| 22:21.39 | bisho | kergoth: Yeah... next rc I'll try that |
| 22:21.47 | chouimat | anyone tried the preempt patch with 2.4.21pre4? |
| 22:21.51 | kergoth | god this guy on the oz users list is driving me nuts |
| 22:22.00 | kergoth | chouimat: i'm using it w/ 2.4.20 .. 2.4.20-ck3 :) |
| 22:22.02 | bisho | because is a pain to make again all the links and tweak the packages list... |
| 22:22.16 | chouimat | kergoth: does ck3 fix my usb problem ? |
| 22:22.28 | thMachine | speaking of next rc... i'm going to guess the release date is still indefinite? |
| 22:23.05 | chouimat | thMachine: no, we all know the release date |
| 22:23.07 | kergoth | chouimat: dunno, what problem? :) |
| 22:23.18 | kergoth | bisho: i just use ipkg -d + ipkg-link |
| 22:23.24 | kergoth | thMachine: I havent set a date yet |
| 22:23.31 | chouimat | kergoth: usbnet killing usb systems |
| 22:24.09 | kergoth | chouimat: ah that one, i'm using ck3 patched with the usbnet from 2.4.21-pre |
| 22:24.20 | AndyQ | kergoth: which guy is this? |
| 22:24.21 | kergoth | chouimat: copied over the usbnet from 2.4.21 and produced a patch |
| 22:24.27 | kergoth | AndyQ: Totosomethingorother |
| 22:24.39 | kergoth | AndyQ: cant figure out why his box tries to get to 192.168.129.201 over the internet |
| 22:24.42 | kergoth | or some shit |
| 22:24.43 | AndyQ | kergoth: just be thankful its not boris! |
| 22:25.22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:25.26 | kergoth | no, thats evil |
| 22:25.37 | AndyQ | ? |
| 22:25.43 | kergoth | I was actually thinking about creating /sbin/init using update-alternatives |
| 22:25.49 | AndyQ | ahhh |
| 22:25.54 | kergoth | so its a symlink to the real init |
| 22:25.59 | kergoth | so you could switch them easily |
| 22:26.02 | AndyQ | I thought you were thinking evil thoughts about users :) |
| 22:26.06 | kergoth | but you'd need to switch inittab files to |
| 22:26.07 | kergoth | too |
| 22:26.17 | kergoth | i could put inittab with update-alternatives too |
| 22:26.17 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:26.30 | AndyQ | well, more than usual I meant |
| 22:26.55 | chouimat | kergoth aavm or rmap? |
| 22:29.27 | kergoth | chouimat: testing aavm now, doesnt seem too bad, but i usually prefer rmap |
| 22:29.32 | kergoth | chouimat: up to you which VM you want |
| 22:30.18 | chouimat | kergoth: stable and fast? |
| 22:31.10 | bisho | rmap crashes a lot with the nvidia acell drivers |
| 22:31.14 | bisho | :(((( |
| 22:31.36 | chouimat | ok just have a ati rage 128 xl and a voodoo3 |
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| 22:54.39 | kergoth | bisho: you have to patch them to even get them to compile :) |
| 22:54.50 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, its very responsive, cause of preempt + low latency patches |
| 22:56.41 | bisho | kergoth: yes, but even with the patch it crashes a lot... I tried it and I get bored of hangs... |
| 22:56.53 | kergoth | bisho: ah, i havent tested it much myself |
| 22:57.10 | kergoth | bisho: when i was on rmap i was using the nv X driver, not nvidia.. didnt care about 3d accel |
| 22:59.04 | treke | TheMasterMind1: better memory usage? |
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| 22:59.51 | treke | TheMasterMind1: hehe :) |
| 23:01.00 | bisho | TheMasterMind1: You managed to get SD on 2.4.19 or you are using it without SD? |
| 23:01.11 | kergoth | he's using it without sd |
| 23:01.29 | bisho | The Sharp staff should help openzaurus a little... Bad persons... |
| 23:01.33 | TheMasterMind1 | bisho: i'm not using it at all, i'm stuck in console with my weird nonworking irkbd driver loaded up |
| 23:01.43 | TheMasterMind1 | everything i pass my finger in front of the ir |
| 23:01.46 | bisho | I doesn't take too much time to compile SD... |
| 23:01.49 | TheMasterMind1 | it sends keyboard signals to the kernel |
| 23:02.17 | bisho | XDDD |
| 23:02.17 | kergoth | bisho: yeah, its easy for them to do.. like half an hour at most.. |
| 23:02.24 | Twiun | kergoth: getting there... |
| 23:02.27 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/wonka/Jeode.png |
| 23:02.33 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/wonka/Wonka.png |
| 23:02.43 | Twiun | at last the text is starting to get drawn |
| 23:03.02 | treke | Twiun: installing java is worth it for drugwars alone |
| 23:03.06 | kergoth | Twiun: nice! |
| 23:03.09 | kergoth | treke: haha, true that |
| 23:03.27 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun: very cool |
| 23:03.35 | treke | although I imagine it probably isnt that tough to write. just need to figure out all the value ranges :) |
| 23:03.37 | Dessimat0r | whats so good about drug wars? o_O |
| 23:03.40 | Twiun | right, best be off, gotta keep the gf happy :) |
| 23:03.48 | kergoth | later twiun |
| 23:03.54 | treke | Twiun[away]: bah, screw her |
| 23:04.04 | kergoth | treke: thats probably the plan |
| 23:04.15 | chouimat | Twiun[away]: hehe |
| 23:04.16 | AndyQ | lol |
| 23:04.21 | treke | kergoth: That dawned on me about 10 seconds after I typed it :) |
| 23:04.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:06.12 | killefiz | kergoth: what kernel version do the 5600's run? |
| 23:06.43 | kergoth | killefiz: 2.4.18-rk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 23:06.47 | treke | kergoth: maybe you'll get lucky and there will be a new rom as icefox as hinted at the posibility of |
| 23:06.52 | chouimat | killefiz: some crappy lineo based one |
| 23:07.13 | killefiz | kergoth: so on a 5600 the sd problem might be gone for a while? |
| 23:07.23 | kergoth | killefiz: ? 5600 doesnt have a sd problem |
| 23:07.30 | kergoth | killefiz: only collie does |
| 23:07.41 | chouimat | killefiz: they use the sd controler of the xscale |
| 23:08.06 | killefiz | chouimat: And that can be used from (a yet to port) oz-kernel? |
| 23:08.18 | kergoth | killefiz: oz kernel for what? |
| 23:08.26 | killefiz | for the 5600 |
| 23:08.30 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:08.38 | kergoth | we can use the existing kernel just fine |
| 23:09.15 | killefiz | So the new kernel sources no longer contain a binary only sd-module? |
| 23:09.18 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:09.24 | kergoth | 1) binary modules arent in kernel sources |
| 23:09.33 | killefiz | yeah - right |
| 23:09.34 | kergoth | 2) 5600 binary only module is useless for the 5000d/5500 |
| 23:10.09 | killefiz | i know - what i'd like to know - will we have the same problem with the 5600 that we have now with the 5500 wrt the sd module? |
| 23:10.13 | kergoth | no. |
| 23:10.24 | kergoth | the block device drivers changed in 2.4.10 that broke us |
| 23:10.26 | treke | not for a while |
| 23:10.50 | treke | might be problems when 2.6 is release :) |
| 23:10.53 | kergoth | yeah, not unless they change the block device driver structures in 2.4, which i doubt, since 2.4 wont be changing much |
| 23:11.13 | killefiz | ok |
| 23:11.17 | killefiz | i wan't a 5600 then |
| 23:11.22 | chouimat | kergoth: they alsp chnaged the vm in 2.4.10 |
| 23:11.32 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, but that doesnt break the module :) |
| 23:13.59 | chouimat | lol, tomorrow on SRC, 23 peoples believed in the nigeran SPAM :) |
| 23:14.19 | chouimat | and they want their money back :) |
| 23:14.25 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:14.43 | chouimat | kergoth: they asked the RCMP to help them |
| 23:16.37 | fierman | i have a question on the modules for wireless used in OZ |
| 23:17.16 | fierman | prism2_cs doesnt seem to work when added to the Wlan card settings in /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 23:17.24 | fierman | is there any replacement for it? |
| 23:17.43 | fierman | tried bind wireless_cs, but that doesnt really work 100% |
| 23:17.49 | treke | kergoth: ccache is not being my friend today :) |
| 23:18.41 | treke | I think I started this compile when I showed up to work today |
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| 23:22.21 | kergoth | fierman: its not prism2_cs |
| 23:22.25 | kergoth | fierman: its 'hostap_cs' |
| 23:22.31 | fierman | ahhh |
| 23:22.33 | kergoth | fierman: and you want it in /etc/pcmcmia/hostap_cs.conf, not config |
| 23:22.38 | kergoth | fierman: emulate the other entries |
| 23:22.39 | treke | aaaaarg |
| 23:22.44 | kergoth | fierman: prism2_cs is wlan-ng, we dont use wlan-ng |
| 23:22.57 | treke | mandb is pinning my cpus again giving gcc very little time |
| 23:23.14 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:23.26 | fierman | kergoth: i understood ../pcmcia/config was more or less the replacement for wlan-ng |
| 23:23.38 | fierman | must have read the wrong info then ;-) |
| 23:23.42 | fierman | kergoth: thanks a lot! |
| 23:24.04 | kergoth | fierman: np. hostap is a far more capable driver, and uses the linux wireless extensions for configuration.. an actual standard API |
| 23:24.16 | kergoth | fierman: also supports Hostap mode, in which your Z acts as an access point :) |
| 23:24.22 | fierman | !! |
| 23:24.23 | fierman | wow |
| 23:24.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:24.30 | kergoth | evil, but fun |
| 23:24.45 | fierman | that will amaze my fellow freaks at the lab |
| 23:24.45 | fierman | hehe |
| 23:24.47 | fierman | thnx! |
| 23:25.31 | kergoth | np |
| 23:25.44 | kergoth | we should package up the hostap user space utils for Master mode in an ipk for oZ |
| 23:27.12 | fierman | is it documented somewhere? |
| 23:27.24 | kergoth | ibot: search google for hostap |
| 23:27.29 | kergoth | ^^ |
| 23:27.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27.38 | fierman | silly me |
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| 23:31.49 | fierman | kergoth: runs like a dream now.. most cool |
| 23:32.09 | kergoth | fierman: great. what card entry did you have to add? |
| 23:32.43 | treke | wtf |
| 23:32.52 | treke | big boss unsubscribed me from the tkc list |
| 23:33.02 | kergoth | err |
| 23:33.05 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 23:33.23 | kergoth | treke: whatd you do this time? :P |
| 23:33.24 | fierman | kergoth: it's a sitecom card.. el cheapo version of the wl-007 |
| 23:33.31 | treke | kergoth: beats the fuck out of me |
| 23:33.39 | kergoth | fierman: email me the entry, i'll push it into the hostap-modules package for the next version |
| 23:33.51 | fierman | oki |
| 23:33.56 | treke | last thing I did was answer someones question about opie-today |
| 23:33.56 | chouimat | maybe he unscribed every opie developers |
| 23:33.58 | kergoth | kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 23:34.08 | kergoth | chouimat: could be. if so he's being more hostile than i would expect |
| 23:34.15 | chouimat | treke: competing product? |
| 23:34.20 | treke | chouimat: nope. |
| 23:35.27 | chouimat | treke: pms? |
| 23:35.27 | kergoth | hm, i need to send out an email cc'd to an assload of people mentioning OE, try to bring others into the discussions |
| 23:35.31 | kergoth | so much to do, not enough time |
| 23:35.32 | kergoth | chouimat: lol |
| 23:36.03 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe ok I must go to the bank |
| 23:37.18 | bisho | kergoth: I check your TODO but everything is too much complicated for me... :( |
| 23:37.42 | kergoth | bisho: there are other items, i just havent written everything down yet |
| 23:37.44 | chouimat|away | disclamer for ibot log: alchool make me say anything |
| 23:37.52 | kergoth | the translation from kergoth's head TODO -> wiki TODO has some flaws |
| 23:37.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:38.05 | bisho | as usual |
| 23:38.07 | bisho | XD |
| 23:38.28 | bisho | just 1.000.000 things are missed on the wiki... |
| 23:38.33 | bisho | more or less... |
| 23:38.34 | bisho | XD |
| 23:38.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:38.39 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:38.47 | kergoth | we need a php driven TODO / task manager |
| 23:38.57 | treke | someone should port tradewars to the zaurus |
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| 23:39.34 | bisho | kergoth: That generates XML file compatible with Opie-todo |
| 23:39.35 | bisho | XD |
| 23:39.42 | bisho | That would be great |
| 23:39.42 | kergoth | hey effy-kun, got the doc, havent had time to read up on it |
| 23:39.46 | kergoth | bisho: thatd be really cool.. |
| 23:40.06 | kergoth | "Hold on while i sync with my web page" |
| 23:40.07 | kergoth | "?" |
| 23:40.09 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:40.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:40.12 | bisho | Maybe the next weekend I could make something about it |
| 23:40.33 | kergoth | wonder if there are any existing good php task/todo apps out there |
| 23:40.38 | kergoth | any _good_ existing i should say |
| 23:40.39 | bisho | I have a lot of experience with PHP |
| 23:40.52 | effy-kun | kergoth: that's alright, I havent had time to do more since I sent it |
| 23:40.54 | effy-kun | ;) |
| 23:40.57 | kergoth | I have both less and more experience with php than i'd like |
| 23:41.08 | bisho | XD |
| 23:41.29 | kergoth | treke: feel like researching them for me? |
| 23:41.35 | treke | kergoth: not really :) |
| 23:41.38 | kergoth | damn |
| 23:41.40 | bisho | Ok... I will try to make a PHP-TODO for the OZ project next weekend |
| 23:41.43 | kergoth | :D |
| 23:41.52 | treke | I was making a half joke since I had written one :) |
| 23:41.58 | bisho | That will be my way of contributing to this great project |
| 23:42.07 | treke | not really well suited to oz though |
| 23:42.12 | bisho | really? |
| 23:42.13 | bisho | XD |
| 23:42.16 | chouimat|away | kergoth: port squeak to the zaurus :) |
| 23:42.16 | kergoth | bisho: you already contribute to the project with your mirror :) |
| 23:42.27 | bisho | Then we could adapt it to generate XML? |
| 23:42.35 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:42.42 | bisho | kergoth: a mirror is not too much work |
| 23:42.52 | effy-kun | what is "squeak"? |
| 23:43.13 | treke | bisho: actually I had written both a qtopia front end and an xml export :) |
| 23:43.25 | bisho | XDDD |
| 23:43.30 | bisho | damm |
| 23:43.42 | bisho | XD |
| 23:43.49 | treke | never got around to the import stuff though |
| 23:43.56 | bisho | treke: where is it? |
| 23:44.02 | bisho | can I have a look? |
| 23:44.24 | treke | bisho: never got around to releasing it because the code is so utterly awful |
| 23:44.34 | Dessimat0r | in the heart of transylvania, in the vampire hall of fame, yeah, theres not a vampire zanier than.. duckula |
| 23:45.17 | effy-kun | ? |
| 23:45.20 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:46.28 | bisho | kergoth: have you read about SynCE? |
| 23:46.34 | bisho | http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/ |
| 23:46.53 | bisho | They have a module to sync evolution with WinCE devices... |
| 23:47.03 | Dessimat0r | theres nothing but bloody Windows CE syncing apps to be emerged on Gentoo |
| 23:47.04 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:47.15 | bisho | Do you know if it's compatible with OZ? |
| 23:47.32 | treke | bisho: not likely |
| 23:47.35 | bisho | Or the OZ sync get the XML and makes all the operations locally? |
| 23:47.56 | kergoth | bisho: it issues a couple qcop calls (Z specific) and obtains thed files via ftp, and 'syncs' the data |
| 23:48.05 | kergoth | bisho: nothing special about it |
| 23:48.06 | bisho | ok |
| 23:48.10 | kergoth | whats that sync standard? |
| 23:48.13 | kergoth | keep forgetting its name |
| 23:48.15 | bisho | I was suspecting something like that... |
| 23:48.19 | treke | kergoth: sync ml? |
| 23:48.24 | kergoth | yeah, thats the one |
| 23:48.29 | kergoth | ibot: syncml |
| 23:48.30 | | [syncml] at http://www.syncml.org |
| 23:48.52 | bisho | syncml and there is something like movilesync standar |
| 23:48.55 | Dessimat0r | I hate corporate looking sites |
| 23:48.57 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:48.58 | bisho | or something like that |
| 23:49.24 | kergoth | we should make opie support syncml |
| 23:49.26 | kergoth | thatd be spiffy |
| 23:49.37 | bisho | yeah |
| 23:50.32 | bisho | IrMC Mobile Client synchronization |
| 23:51.25 | bisho | That's for mobile phones and so on, via IR/Bluetooth and serial |
| 23:51.26 | treke | in the last half hour since killing man-db and distributed.net I've compiled as much of oe as i did from 9 am to aboud 3pm |
| 23:51.40 | bisho | hehehe |
| 23:53.11 | chouimat|away | hmmm squeak rocks |
| 23:53.25 | chouimat|away | treke: hehe |
| 23:53.28 | treke | port it to the zaurus |
| 23:53.43 | effy-kun | wtf is squeak? |
| 23:53.44 | treke | and write an opie wrapper |
| 23:53.48 | treke | effy-kun: programming language |
| 23:53.52 | Dessimat0r | jump 'n' bump |
| 23:53.54 | effy-kun | ah hehe ok |
| 23:53.55 | chouimat|away | effy-kun: smalltalk |
| 23:54.03 | effy-kun | smalltalk? damn |
| 23:54.13 | effy-kun | who tf needs smalltalk anymore? LOL |
| 23:54.45 | chouimat|away | effy-kun: learned oop with that |
| 23:54.46 | treke | you know what they say. Those who dont know smalltalk are doomed to reimplement it. |
| 23:54.49 | treke | poorly |
| 23:55.19 | effy-kun | oh dear |
| 23:55.44 | effy-kun | you couldnt try just a little harder to keep me interested??? |
| 23:55.45 | effy-kun | :P |
| 23:56.13 | Dessimat0r | whats smalltalk |
| 23:56.14 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:56.27 | effy-kun | HAHA |
| 23:56.33 | effy-kun | my point exactly |
| 23:56.41 | Dessimat0r | tell me or I'll re-impliment it! |
| 23:56.46 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 23:56.49 | chouimat|away | Dessimat0r: www.squeak.org |
| 23:56.53 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 23:57.08 | effy-kun | I'd like to say smalltalk belongs in the dustbin of technological history, but I dont know it well enough, I guess ;) |
| 23:57.46 | Dessimat0r | omg.. |
| 23:57.52 | chouimat|away | effy-kun: I use that for prototyping ... |
| 23:58.00 | Dessimat0r | squeak makes shit stuff |
| 23:58.03 | Dessimat0r | lkol |
| 23:58.07 | Dessimat0r | *lol |
| 23:58.16 | chouimat|away | Dessimat0r: look at the code |
| 23:58.17 | effy-kun | hehe |
| 23:58.36 | effy-kun | I might be interested in porting it just for educational experience ;) |
| 23:58.39 | Dessimat0r | k |
| 23:59.37 | effy-kun | I'm still trying to find neato accessories for my C700 |
| 23:59.57 | chouimat|away | hmmm my cat know I must leave so he want to sit on my lap |
