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| 00:15.10 | kergoth | yo |
| 00:15.18 | ljp | ho |
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| 00:51.22 | ljp | whats goin on kergoth? |
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| 02:12.13 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 02:27.49 | CrazyGogo | mornin |
| 02:28.58 | CrazyGogo | does anyone know of a cf-wlan card which supports external antennas? |
| 02:30.51 | MSpin | kergoth: ping |
| 02:31.09 | MSpin | CrazyGogo: I think the dlink and linksys models can be hacked to have one |
| 02:31.34 | CrazyGogo | hacked as in physically broken up? |
| 02:31.40 | MSpin | mmhmm |
| 02:31.54 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 02:32.35 | CrazyGogo | i mean it's 2.4 ghz, not that easy messing with that... |
| 02:33.55 | MSpin | it's not that bad, you aren't building an antenna |
| 02:34.09 | MSpin | some of them actually have holes for a connector |
| 02:34.15 | MSpin | you jsut drop it in and solder |
| 02:34.17 | CrazyGogo | oh - which one? |
| 02:34.21 | MSpin | duno |
| 02:34.23 | CrazyGogo | hmm |
| 02:34.31 | MSpin | search around |
| 02:35.12 | CrazyGogo | wouldnt mind soldering, though i cant find the cards in 'live' stores... just online so i cant look at them close enough :( |
| 02:35.48 | MSpin | yeah |
| 02:36.57 | CrazyGogo | i see bluetooth cf cards with external antenna jack... from anycom... |
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| 02:56.58 | CrazyGogo | oh.. gotta go to bed... its 3.56am |
| 02:57.01 | CrazyGogo | :(( |
| 02:57.04 | CrazyGogo | c ya |
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| 03:18.09 | treke|home | sweett |
| 03:18.26 | treke|home | it looks like openembedded/ipaq and pcmcia dont quite get along :) |
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| 04:15.11 | chouimat|away | is kergoth alive? |
| 04:16.15 | TimRiker | ~seen kergoth |
| 04:16.20 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (1d 10h 54m 11s) #uclibc (1d 10h 54m 11s) #picogui (1d 10h 54m 11s) #tuxscreen (1d 10h 54m 11s) #zaurus (1d 10h 54m 11s) #elinux (1d 10h 54m 11s) #openembedded (1d 10h 54m 11s) #handhelds.org (1d 10h 54m 11s) #openzaurus (1d 10h 54m 11s). Has said a total of 221 messages. Is idling for 3h 43m 47s |
| 04:16.20 | ulyx | kergoth was last seen 3 hours, 43 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying heh! |
| 04:23.12 | chouimat | kergoth: PING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:32.54 | ljp | pong |
| 04:33.00 | ljp | bad router |
| 04:33.19 | chouimat | ljp: ok |
| 04:37.03 | chouimat | kergoth: got my email? |
| 04:41.47 | chouimat | hmmmmmmmmmmmmm boring tonight |
| 04:58.07 | ljp | hmm |
| 04:58.20 | ljp | my compiler has barely stopped |
| 05:00.09 | chouimat | ljp: ? |
| 05:00.55 | ljp | working onhelix stuff |
| 05:01.11 | ljp | ra and rv codecs xcompile |
| 05:01.25 | chouimat|zzzz | ljp: ok, 8 beers tonight so I need to get some sleep :) |
| 05:01.43 | ljp | hehe |
| 05:02.00 | chouimat|zzzz | ljp: but still alone :( |
| 05:02.36 | ljp | I'm not. I have my cat :) |
| 05:03.01 | chouimat|zzzz | me too but a cat it's not like a nice pink pussy |
| 05:03.10 | ljp | hmmm |
| 05:03.13 | ljp | probably not |
| 05:04.12 | chouimat|zzzz | but I'm playing long term so ... |
| 05:05.54 | chouimat|zzzz | ljp: night :) |
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| 10:59.50 | schurig | Anyone experience with D-LINK DWL650 cards? |
| 11:04.56 | supermatt | sorry no, only the Buffalo card |
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| 11:07.35 | schurig | # iwconfig |
| 11:07.35 | schurig | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 11:07.35 | schurig | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 11:07.35 | schurig | wlan0 no wireless extensions. |
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| 11:07.41 | schurig | isn't that strange? |
| 11:08.14 | schurig | I mean, doesn't the hostap_cs provide wireless extensions? |
| 11:09.12 | pb_ | yes, it should do. |
| 11:09.17 | pb_ | sure you're using hostap-cs and not wlan-ng? |
| 11:09.39 | schurig | # lsmod |
| 11:09.40 | schurig | Module Size Used by |
| 11:09.40 | schurig | hostap_cs 42800 0 (unused) |
| 11:09.41 | schurig | hostap 58144 0 [hostap_cs] |
| 11:09.43 | schurig | hostap_crypt 1408 0 [hostap] |
| 11:09.49 | schurig | so, looks very much like hostap |
| 11:10.12 | pb_ | indeed. well, I guess the other option is that you have a bad version of iwconfig for some reason. |
| 11:10.51 | schurig | That might be the case. |
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| 11:41.54 | troffasky | OK it's been a while since I last asked this question... |
| 11:43.27 | ||ugh | and obivously it's going to be a while before you ask it again? :r) |
| 11:43.31 | troffasky | ISTR seeing an article on /. about using the touchpad on a Palm as an input device for X. Seeing as it has nice big touch screen, would it be possible to do the same with a zaurus? |
| 11:43.33 | troffasky | lol |
| 11:44.18 | ||ugh | Simple, just have to have small programs on the Z and the X server to pump in the user input. |
| 11:44.35 | supermatt | troffasky: I guess running X and x2x on the Z might work |
| 11:45.03 | troffasky | hmm, I mean really using the Z as a tablet |
| 11:45.11 | ||ugh | I can't wait to start hijacking X input sessions... Though the folks with FreeS/WAN on their Z are fine. |
| 11:45.43 | schurig | troffasky: write some program for the Z that read it's touchscreen and creates on the serial line the same characters as a serial mouse would send |
| 11:45.47 | ||ugh | All the X server really needs in X and Y data along with press. Write a pair of drivers and your winning. |
| 11:45.59 | schurig | troffasky: and then you can use the normal serial mouse driver for your x-windows on your x86 box |
| 11:46.17 | troffasky | yeah, all I want the tablet for is using the Gimp |
| 11:46.33 | supermatt | that would be good |
| 11:46.35 | ||ugh | I would do it over IP, 802.11, it's bad enough having to have my Z plugged into power all the time, a second cable would be horrid. |
| 11:46.57 | troffasky | exactly, that would make it useful for a lot more people |
| 11:47.14 | schurig | ||ugh: in this case you would need a special driver on the x86 side too |
| 11:47.34 | ||ugh | Yep, but it's not killer, X is _really_ dumb. |
| 11:47.55 | schurig | ||ugh: XFree86-4.x.x comes with no driver for an input device (tablet or mouse or keyboard) that works via TCP/IP |
| 11:48.10 | ||ugh | So? |
| 11:49.03 | ||ugh | schurig, X is SHIT. Oh, I should mention that I was one of the NeWS people. Doing an IP input driver works, we did it in a few lines of NeWS (PostScript), worked fine. |
| 11:49.04 | schurig | ||ugh: but you could do something different. Maybe "xhost +zaurus" on your x86 X-Windows. And the Zaurus would use the X-Protocol to send coordinates. Via TCP/IP, of course. |
| 11:49.34 | ||ugh | You could just run X on your Z. Thats what PicoGUI is. |
| 11:50.13 | schurig | ||ugh: and the other option would be to have still the normal serial mouse driver in X-Windows in use, but let it point to a named pipe. And have your tool or even nc at the other end of the pipe. |
| 11:50.16 | ||ugh | He likely can shove the tablet/keyboard input in via a client X program even. |
| 11:51.15 | ||ugh | Lots of ways to do it. Needs a cute Qt program on the Z and something on the X end, there is so MUCH gunk on the X side to play with something should be quick and easy. |
| 11:52.38 | ||ugh | Hard probelms are things like, how does he map the scale difference. Does he interplate or straight line missing data path segments. Does he do edge acceleration. Lots of fun. |
| 11:55.32 | ||ugh | troffasky, look at the remote X control programs, you should be able to write a C client to shove mouse events into X. |
| 11:56.03 | ||ugh | Ghods, then again I keep thinking of how we did things in NeWS...YMMV... |
| 11:59.03 | troffasky | heheh, it has to be said, my programming skills go about as far as dirty hackish bash scripts. Time to dust off Sams Teach Yourself C for Linux in 21 Days |
| 11:59.32 | supermatt | you dont have 21 days - I want my Z-tablet now! :) |
| 12:11.33 | troffasky | I think Xinput is what I want |
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| 13:26.02 | Twiun | hi guys |
| 13:26.26 | schurig | Hi ladies! |
| 13:26.39 | schurig | (don't forget them, today is valentin's day!) |
| 13:26.44 | Twiun | lol |
| 13:26.48 | Twiun | yeah, good point |
| 13:27.59 | kenb | aka.. bitter singles day. |
| 13:28.49 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 13:29.05 | kenb | heh |
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| 13:31.06 | Twiun | kenb: best not tell my gf that :) |
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| 13:37.21 | kenb | and spelling mistake too : bool ' CRYPTOAPI propietary ciphers ' CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_NON_LIBRE |
| 13:37.21 | Twiun | hay TMM |
| 13:37.27 | kenb | wrong window |
| 13:54.37 | kenb | me too |
| 13:55.19 | TheMasterMind1 | sup Twiun |
| 14:07.11 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: trying to figure out what changes I wiped out when I made a new buildroot :) |
| 14:07.34 | Twiun | TheMasterMind1: it compiles, it runs, but it doesn't find bits at runtime :) |
| 14:15.01 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:15.03 | TheMasterMind1 | thats not good |
| 14:15.26 | Twiun | Yeah, I know |
| 14:24.51 | schurig | Twiun: what do you mean with "doesn't find bits" ? |
| 14:25.21 | Twiun | I was vague because the 'bits' are very JNI specific... didn't want to over explain :) |
| 14:25.39 | schurig | ok, I thought it was a general buildroot problem |
| 14:26.06 | schurig | Twiun: if it doesn't find things, then you could try "strace -efile -oout -ff <call-to-program>" |
| 14:26.18 | schurig | that shows what files your app tries to open |
| 14:26.27 | schurig | maybe there's some hardcoded path in it |
| 14:26.57 | Twiun | the problems aren't with loading modules/files in this case, it's simply not finding certain methods |
| 14:27.06 | Twiun | and the debug tells me roughly where that is |
| 14:27.26 | Twiun | something like this: |
| 14:27.28 | Twiun | ABORT Wonka: _registerNativeMethod 312: Uh oh: class com.adorphuye.qte.peer.FontPeer doesn't have a createPeer0(Ljava.lang.String;II)J method. |
| 14:28.14 | Twiun | tell me it can't find the "long createPeer0(String, int I, int J)" method |
| 14:28.19 | Twiun | s/tell/tells/ |
| 14:29.54 | schurig | Twiun: go and give it a magnication glass, maybe it find's things better then |
| 14:30.08 | Twiun | hahaha |
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| 14:45.39 | icefox | http://www.serialio.com/products/adaptors/ZThinCableUSB.htm |
| 14:47.39 | supermatt | handy |
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| 15:16.41 | Twiun | hey _ibot |
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| 15:30.53 | ljp_work | ibot I hate you |
| 15:30.54 | | extra, extra, read all about it, i hate you is Well I hate you too! |
| 15:31.16 | ljp_work | ibot your a smartass |
| 15:31.17 | | ljp_work: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:38.06 | chouimat|zzzz | f |
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| 15:39.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot die |
| 15:39.21 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 15:40.54 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:43.32 | schurig | chouimat: hi. |
| 15:44.13 | schurig | chouimat: something strange happened. About 4 hours ago, Chanserv de-opped you. No idea why. You were sound asleep ... |
| 15:45.26 | Twiun | chanserv isn't the most reliable of things |
| 15:45.41 | Twiun | I've seen it disappear (along with nickserv) for hours at a time |
| 15:46.01 | Twiun | thank god this isn't DALnet or something |
| 15:47.01 | schurig | Why? |
| 15:47.58 | carsten | you, but sometimes you _need_ them |
| 15:48.59 | supermatt | for instance maybe I could go insane |
| 15:49.27 | supermatt | whilst struggling to find the correct syntax for cvs import |
| 15:51.32 | chouimat | schurig: with the number of beers I got last night yes I was sound asleep |
| 15:51.33 | schurig | supermatt: no one would notice that (after all, we're all insane, aren't we? :-) |
| 15:51.51 | Twiun | schurig: I said thank god because we don't need those services on an hourly basis... we're all grown up here |
| 15:52.35 | schurig | supermatt: cvs import -d -m "log msg" projectname projectname START |
| 15:52.53 | supermatt | schurig: speak for yourself says supermatt whilst getting RSI typing on a tiny keyboard and peering into a 240x320 screen ;) |
| 15:55.50 | supermatt | schurig: thanks! that worked |
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| 16:38.15 | mickeyl | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 16:38.15 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (1d 23h 16m 6s) #uclibc (1d 23h 16m 6s) #picogui (1d 23h 16m 6s) #tuxscreen (1d 23h 16m 6s) #zaurus (1d 23h 16m 6s) #elinux (1d 23h 16m 6s) #openembedded (1d 23h 16m 6s) #handhelds.org (1d 23h 16m 6s) #openzaurus (1d 23h 16m 6s). Has said a total of 221 messages. Is idling for 16h 5m 42s |
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| 16:48.34 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 16:48.38 | ljp_work | hi |
| 16:48.41 | Harlekin | ibot: seen microdim |
| 16:48.41 | | microdim <~amd@adsl-64-169-116-197.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 30d 21h 15m 17s ago, saying: 'what is the diff between "konq - snapshot" and "konq - snapshot - full"'. |
| 16:48.45 | Twiun | hey |
| 16:48.47 | Harlekin | hey Twiun |
| 16:49.00 | Harlekin | hey ljp_work |
| 16:49.10 | Twiun | just about finished (re)integrating wonka into the new buildroot |
| 16:52.03 | Twiun | I think I should fix on a particular wonka cvs branch... |
| 16:52.17 | Twiun | it's such a moving target atm, lots of code churn |
| 16:52.21 | Twiun | messes my diffs |
| 16:53.28 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:54.17 | Twiun | on the good side, they're starting to introduce 1.4 api stuff |
| 16:54.41 | Twiun | I think it helps that they're getting paid for their work :) |
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| 17:00.20 | kergoth | mickeyl|away: yeah? |
| 17:00.48 | chouimat | kergoth: you alive??? |
| 17:01.19 | kergoth | chouimat: sorta |
| 17:01.32 | chouimat | geo my email? |
| 17:01.38 | chouimat | s/ge/got |
| 17:01.56 | Harlekin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.05 | kergoth | Harlekin: hehe |
| 17:05.07 | Twiun | hey kerg |
| 17:05.14 | Harlekin | hey kergoth |
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| 17:08.37 | noda | Moo! |
| 17:09.33 | noda | Wow, that devedge.netscape.com has some source code for CSS-only popup menus. I'm interested :) |
| 17:10.31 | Harlekin | popupmenus without js` |
| 17:10.32 | Harlekin | ? |
| 17:11.19 | noda | http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html |
| 17:11.30 | noda | Yeah, CSS rocks :) |
| 17:12.19 | Harlekin | ah |
| 17:12.22 | Harlekin | mozilla or IE needed |
| 17:12.23 | noda | Oh, and SWEET -- non-CSS-aware browsers would display all the links anyway, since it's just <ul><li> |
| 17:12.29 | noda | No, IE doesn't do CSS properly. |
| 17:12.45 | noda | Oh oh oh oh oh! I've got a GREAT idea, to make an entirely different interface in either Mozilla or IE, without ANY scripting :) |
| 17:13.00 | Harlekin | where are the popups? |
| 17:13.25 | noda | On that page? Hover over the "css/edge" button (in Gecko browsers) |
| 17:13.44 | Harlekin | http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html |
| 17:13.49 | noda | Yep |
| 17:14.03 | Harlekin | no popups |
| 17:14.23 | noda | the "css/edge" icon at the top of the page expands into a menu. But it won't work in IE. |
| 17:15.02 | chouimat | hehe. the British Foreign minister just said that his country was founded by the French in 1066 |
| 17:15.39 | kergoth | noda: woa, that rocks |
| 17:15.52 | noda | kergoth: Yeah, check out the other links too -- the spiral and popup demos. These are REALLY neat. |
| 17:15.55 | noda | I wanna do stuff like this! |
| 17:16.14 | noda | I could make the site render just like it does now in IE, and give some REAL eye-candy in proper browsers. |
| 17:16.25 | schurig | kergoth: hehe, you missed mickeyl|away by 4 minutes |
| 17:17.13 | kergoth | hehe, oh well |
| 17:17.33 | noda | This spiral page is so COOL :) |
| 17:17.36 | kergoth | I'm going to adapt the image creation to be a seperate config area, independent of build package selection. |
| 17:17.47 | noda | ooh :) |
| 17:18.01 | kergoth | so that you dont have to do evil things like change the .config, then make image.. but if you make menuconfig it re-enables shit you didnt want in the image and stuff. i hate that. |
| 17:18.42 | kergoth | I just made a change so that any make target will check to see if .config was manually altered, and if so, sends it through conf to ensure .config never contains an invalid configuration.. but by doing that i functionallyy break our current make image |
| 17:18.46 | kergoth | bleh |
| 17:19.04 | kergoth | that, and a really fucking stupid customer that i spent 5 hours with earlier in the week, is occupying my morning |
| 17:19.07 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 17:19.49 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, some tool could get the .config, look for configured things and then create an imgconfig.in as a source for kconfig, so you can only enable things to be in the image that are already compiled |
| 17:20.00 | lsmith | kergoth: do you think we could get dynamism to get the sd.org license in exchange for a little sponsored by logo on oz.org? |
| 17:20.26 | chouimat | kergoth: be calm it's friday .... |
| 17:20.26 | icefox | http://shopwireless.sonyericsson.com/store/handset_P800.asp |
| 17:21.21 | kergoth | schurig: easier, generate a config.in based on available ipks in output/ipks. |
| 17:21.21 | chouimat | wooooohoooooooo Ithe album I ordered in october is finaly arrived ..... I didn't know that germany was so far away |
| 17:21.27 | kergoth | schurig: after having run a dupecheck of course |
| 17:21.29 | schurig | kergoth: make xconfig -> creates .config -> make -> make imgconfig -> scripts/imgconfig reads .config, creates imgconfig.in -> kconfig get's called with this imgconfig.in -> creates .config.img -> some tool reads the enabled things in .config.img and makes the image |
| 17:21.40 | kergoth | schurig: could adapt it to support pulling from a feed as well, to install any arbitrary ipk into the image |
| 17:21.53 | schurig | kergoth: ok, that makes sense. |
| 17:23.00 | schurig | kergoth: In this case you should probably not only do the dupecheck, but also Packages. Then you read the Section: and use this for sub-menus. |
| 17:23.32 | schurig | I guess the "read the *.ipks from sources/ipks and remote target" is easier than my suggestion |
| 17:23.35 | noda | Oh my GOD! http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/glassy.html |
| 17:23.38 | noda | It's BEAUTIFUL :) |
| 17:24.08 | schurig | noda: my konquerer dies not display the css menus. Or didn't I just not find the links? |
| 17:24.56 | schurig | chouimat: you order albums from germany? Music, pictures? |
| 17:25.00 | noda | schurig: No, it seems Konqueror can't handle it. |
| 17:25.24 | chouimat | noda: are you ok? I know a guy who get an erection everytime he thing of regexp .... |
| 17:25.29 | chouimat | schurig: music |
| 17:26.13 | chouimat | schurig: the canadian distributor for that label is very very very slow |
| 17:26.13 | noda | chouimat: lol |
| 17:26.43 | schurig | kergoth: I put some more thoughts an scons and portage into the wiki |
| 17:26.55 | chouimat | noda: that can be worst, last time i worked with him he was at a latter stage :) |
| 17:27.14 | schurig | chouimat: Hmm, is there better music in germany than bavarian folk? |
| 17:27.30 | chouimat | schurig: it's a british artist on a german label |
| 17:27.45 | kergoth | schurig: I took a shortcut, created submenus based on letter |
| 17:27.51 | kergoth | schurig: Packages->A->apmd |
| 17:27.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:28.00 | schurig | kergoth: lazy guy |
| 17:28.05 | kergoth | hey whatever works :) |
| 17:28.14 | schurig | ;-) |
| 17:29.01 | schurig | kergoth: by the way: the currently created glibc does not work on my target. An older one works. Maybe my downloaded toolchain isn't as good as I thought |
| 17:29.07 | chouimat | hmmm the 16h30 bus or the 20h30 one? |
| 17:29.13 | kergoth | schurig: hmm, odd |
| 17:29.23 | kergoth | schurig: hmmm, I just noticed that my c700 image doesnt boot.. |
| 17:29.32 | kergoth | schurig: i may be running into the same problem. |
| 17:29.40 | kergoth | schurig: time to bk prs packages/libc6/Makefile maybe |
| 17:29.52 | schurig | kergoth: sysvinit run (is it statically linked?), but nothing else. So I copied the contents of /lib/* from another directory and then it worked. |
| 17:29.53 | chouimat | prs? |
| 17:30.00 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:30.08 | kergoth | chouimat: lists all the changes in that file |
| 17:30.26 | kergoth | so you can then see how its cahnged, and diff the changes |
| 17:31.01 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, I am on the old libc, I guess you're using the libc-2.3.1 on c700? |
| 17:31.14 | kergoth | nope, i'm using libc 2.2.4 |
| 17:31.18 | kergoth | not using a gcc3 toolchain yet |
| 17:31.29 | chouimat | ok kergoth btw I'm leaving for the weekend ... i will be back sunday afternoon |
| 17:31.39 | kergoth | chouimat: okay cool, have a good weekend |
| 17:31.40 | Harlekin | kergoth: ? |
| 17:31.46 | kergoth | Harlekin: ? |
| 17:31.47 | Harlekin | kergoth: 2.3.1 is not bound to gcc3 |
| 17:31.55 | kergoth | yes, it is. you cant build 2.3.1 with 2.95 |
| 17:31.59 | kergoth | go try it |
| 17:32.04 | Harlekin | ah |
| 17:32.12 | chouimat | kergoth: -25C this weekend :( |
| 17:32.15 | Harlekin | just wanted to note since familiar has 2.3.1 |
| 17:32.15 | kergoth | chouimat: eek |
| 17:32.36 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes, i know. and they're building their packages with gcc3 |
| 17:32.55 | chouimat | kergoth: and I going to see my father, 100km east of quebec city so it's windy like hell there |
| 17:33.46 | chouimat | fuck -40C with the windchill .... |
| 17:33.47 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, can it be the case that for C programs the ABI is the same between gcc2 and gcc3 ? |
| 17:33.56 | kergoth | schurig: that is the case. |
| 17:34.04 | kergoth | schurig: its the c++ ABI that changed. |
| 17:34.22 | kergoth | we shoudl probably build our base system with gcc3 for the optimizations, and build the c++ apps with gcc2.95, but i havent felt like fucking around with that yet |
| 17:35.14 | noda | What difference would that make? |
| 17:35.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:35.25 | kergoth | performance. |
| 17:35.39 | kergoth | gcc3 optimizes much much better, and actually supports optimizing for xscale, unlike 2.95 |
| 17:35.50 | noda | Yeah, but isn't most of the performance gain from gcc-3.2 in c++ anyway? And the C apps don't exactly tax the system, do they? |
| 17:35.52 | noda | Oh. |
| 17:35.54 | Harlekin | like hte new op2 codec pack .-) |
| 17:35.59 | Harlekin | build with gcc3.2 |
| 17:36.11 | pb_ | noda: you get significant performance gains from gcc 3.2 for plain C. |
| 17:36.17 | noda | Ah. |
| 17:36.35 | noda | Then again, how much of a basic OZ system is in C? Opie's the big CPU eater and it's all in c++, isn't it? |
| 17:36.35 | pb_ | obviously that doesn't help if you are spending all your time running C++ apps, though. |
| 17:36.40 | schurig | By the way: today Intel announced end-of-production for SA1110. Saw a msg with that info in linux-arm-kernel |
| 17:36.56 | chouimat | schurig: when? |
| 17:37.06 | schurig | I have not read the PDF on their site. I am on XScale :-) |
| 17:37.37 | Harlekin | noda: c++ profits even more |
| 17:37.42 | Twiun | kergoth: did you get my key? |
| 17:37.50 | noda | Yeah, that's what I was figuring. But that'd take away bc |
| 17:37.51 | Harlekin | noda: but gcc is not so good actually since they break bc quite often |
| 17:38.52 | noda | Yeah... |
| 17:39.05 | schurig | btw: if anyone wants an embedded job in germany (Frankfurt), I can rely you to my boss. We're hiring :-) |
| 17:39.17 | schurig | s/rely/relay/ |
| 17:39.26 | chouimat | schurig: don't speak german :( |
| 17:39.39 | Harlekin | schurig: ask ljp_ .-) |
| 17:39.55 | Harlekin | schurig: then 90% of hte opie members are here .-) |
| 17:39.57 | schurig | He has work, I always see "ljp_work" :-) |
| 17:40.05 | Harlekin | schurig: or kergoth .-) |
| 17:40.30 | kergoth | hah, I'm in the US, and dont speak german either :) |
| 17:40.57 | schurig | just a shot into the dark ... |
| 17:41.19 | chouimat | but i want to learn it :) |
| 17:43.49 | schurig | kergoth: I guess I have free time this weekend, I guess I could do some basic work on OE |
| 17:44.53 | schurig | btw, that's the meaning of "perdy" ? Is it slang like "swell" ? |
| 17:45.16 | noda | Kind of cutesy-"pretty" |
| 17:46.23 | noda | Ooh SWEET! I never knew about this css2-quick-reference sidebar! :) |
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| 18:05.19 | chouimat | hi zecke |
| 18:08.06 | Twiun | hmmm, how would I choose which cvs revision I want downloaded in my Makefile? -r0.9.4.1 isn't understood |
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| 18:10.08 | kergoth | Twiun: read packages/ipkg/Makefile or packages/busybox/Makefile |
| 18:10.16 | Twiun | thanks |
| 18:10.29 | Twiun | btw... got my pub key ok? |
| 18:10.56 | kergoth | yep |
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| 18:11.31 | Twiun | cool |
| 18:14.03 | ljp_work | drool |
| 18:14.47 | kergoth | pool |
| 18:14.50 | kergoth | bored |
| 18:15.04 | ljp_work | happy Bitter Singles Day! |
| 18:15.13 | ljp_work | woot! |
| 18:16.15 | chouimat | ljp_work: thanks |
| 18:16.34 | ljp_work | I hate valentines day |
| 18:17.06 | Harlekin | getting all that stuff |
| 18:17.13 | Harlekin | no idea where to put it .-) |
| 18:17.17 | chouimat | me too and since I'm alone .... |
| 18:18.32 | treke | morning kergoth |
| 18:19.52 | chouimat | hmmmmm porto and chocolate |
| 18:19.53 | icefox | stupid comments of the day: The best secreats are the secreats that are only secrets to you. |
| 18:20.18 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 18:20.18 | ulyx | "My life is a soap opera, but who has the rights?" -- MadameX |
| 18:21.29 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:21.30 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 18:21.46 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 18:21.47 | ulyx | This is the ____LAST time I take travel suggestions from Ray Bradbury! |
| 18:22.03 | chouimat | hehe |
| 18:25.25 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 18:25.26 | ulyx | You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. |
| 18:29.47 | *** join/#openembedded Dessimat0r (~root@public1-birk1-3-cust60.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 18:29.51 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 18:42.09 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:42.10 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:42.55 | RealUlli | ulyx roulette |
| 18:42.55 | ulyx | RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:43.44 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:43.44 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:43.53 | RealUlli | ulyx roulette |
| 18:43.53 | ulyx | RealUlli: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:43.55 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:43.56 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 18:44.02 | RealUlli | ulyx roulette |
| 18:44.03 | ulyx | RealUlli: chamber 1 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 18:44.05 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:44.06 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:44.10 | RealUlli | ulyx roulette |
| 18:44.10 | ulyx | RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 18:44.12 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:44.12 | kergoth | okay the revamped image creation in buildroot is in bk |
| 18:44.13 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:44.15 | RealUlli | ulyx roulette |
| 18:44.16 | ulyx | RealUlli: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:44.16 | kergoth | if it explodes horribly, let me know |
| 18:44.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:44.35 | mewyn | ulyx roulette |
| 18:44.36 | ulyx | mewyn: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:44.48 | mewyn | wierd... it always explodes on me |
| 18:45.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:45.10 | mewyn | nothing |
| 18:45.19 | mewyn | pay no attention to me |
| 18:46.21 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:46.21 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 4 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 18:48.10 | kergoth | treke: ? |
| 18:54.15 | *** part/#openembedded TimRiker (timr@rikers.org) |
| 18:54.27 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 18:54.28 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:54.42 | Harlekin | treke: what happend? |
| 19:01.25 | treke | an unexpectected check for 500 bucks happened :) |
| 19:02.15 | icefox | That is always nice |
| 19:06.03 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:06.03 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.21 | icefox | That is always nice |
| 19:07.25 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.26 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.29 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.30 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.32 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.32 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.36 | chouimat | fuck |
| 19:07.37 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.37 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 6 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 19:07.38 | icefox | hehe |
| 19:07.40 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.41 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 19:07.44 | icefox | dang |
| 19:07.45 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.46 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.47 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.47 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.48 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.49 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.50 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.50 | kenb | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.51 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.53 | ulyx | kenb: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 19:07.53 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.53 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 6 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.57 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.57 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:07.58 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:07.58 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:08.01 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:08.01 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:08.05 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:08.05 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 19:08.08 | icefox | I like those freebies that you can get after the BANG |
| 19:08.09 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:08.10 | chouimat | ulyx roulette stats |
| 19:08.10 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:08.11 | ulyx | roulette stats: 146 games completed, 581 shots fired at 31 players. Luckiest: nofpu (100.0% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo|Work (65.0% clicks). Highest survival rate: nofpu (100.0%). Lowest survival rate: ljp (0.0%). Most wins: mr_woody (26). Most deaths: icefox (31). |
| 19:08.28 | chouimat | ulyx roulette stats |
| 19:08.29 | ulyx | roulette stats: 146 games completed, 581 shots fired at 31 players. Luckiest: nofpu (100.0% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo|Work (65.0% clicks). Highest survival rate: nofpu (100.0%). Lowest survival rate: ljp (0.0%). Most wins: mr_woody (26). Most deaths: icefox (31). |
| 19:08.34 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:08.34 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:08.36 | icefox | ulyx roulette stats icefox |
| 19:08.36 | ulyx | icefox has played 51 games, won 18 and lost 31. icefox pulled the trigger 102 times and found the chamber empty on 71 occasions. |
| 19:08.46 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:08.46 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:08.49 | chouimat | ulyx roulette stats chouimat |
| 19:08.49 | ulyx | chouimat has played 31 games, won 19 and lost 9. chouimat pulled the trigger 42 times and found the chamber empty on 33 occasions. |
| 19:09.04 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:09.04 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 19:09.07 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:09.07 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:09.07 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:09.08 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:09.10 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:09.10 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:09.12 | chouimat | ulyx roulette |
| 19:09.12 | ulyx | chouimat: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:09.13 | icefox | ulyx roulette |
| 19:09.14 | ulyx | icefox: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 19:09.19 | Harlekin | icefox: chouimat try it in a query |
| 19:09.23 | chouimat | ulyx roulette stats chouimat |
| 19:09.23 | ulyx | chouimat has played 32 games, won 20 and lost 10. chouimat pulled the trigger 45 times and found the chamber empty on 35 occasions. |
| 19:09.33 | icefox | query/ |
| 19:09.34 | icefox | ? |
| 19:09.39 | ljp_work | ulyx needs its own channel |
| 19:09.51 | icefox | how do you tell ulyx to goto a channel? |
| 19:10.19 | treke | ulyx: go to #hell |
| 19:10.28 | chouimat | ~lart ljp |
| 19:10.32 | chouimat | ~lart treke |
| 19:10.36 | icefox | ulyx join #roulette |
| 19:10.37 | ulyx | insufficient "join" auth (have 10, need 50) |
| 19:10.51 | icefox | need 50 what? |
| 19:11.13 | chouimat | ulyx join #roulette |
| 19:13.13 | kenb | kergoth`lunch: I bought that double-edged katana during lunchhour today ;) |
| 19:14.12 | ljp_work | hmm, suppose I should get around to testing my new oticker code |
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| 19:25.06 | chouimat | http://bevilacqua.us/frencharmy.jpg |
| 19:25.16 | chouimat | http://bevilacqua.us/french.jpg |
| 19:26.34 | Twiun | lol... |
| 19:26.48 | kenb | heheh |
| 19:26.50 | Twiun | ever get the impression some people want a war? |
| 19:27.02 | ljp_work | ya, king g |
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| 19:46.36 | kergoth`lunch | kenb: nice. |
| 19:47.37 | Twiun | kergoth: so, what's my next step to start pushing stuff into bk? |
| 19:47.59 | kergoth | bk ci the files, bk commit them into a changeset, then bk parent http://openzaurus@openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot, then bk push |
| 19:49.17 | Twiun | wonderful :) |
| 19:49.33 | Twiun | expect some pushes this weekend... once I finally fix some "£*&$^"(* bugs |
| 19:50.20 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:56.41 | chouimat | 1h30 before the bus ... must prepare myself |
| 19:59.41 | mewyn | kergoth: so how's the XM? |
| 20:00.19 | kergoth | mewyn: nice, finally got all the presets configured. I bring the thing with me to work everyday to listen to tunes while waiting for calls, and back home every night .. hehe |
| 20:00.41 | mewyn | works ok in the building? |
| 20:00.58 | Twiun | kergoth: do you think I should make some of the compiled-in options for wonka configurable from menuconfig? |
| 20:01.08 | kergoth | yeah, works fine, didnt even have to pull the antenna out (it goes out 20 feet, or attaches to it directly) |
| 20:01.18 | *** join/#openembedded JasonNJ (~perlow@ool-43512bbd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:01.20 | kergoth | Twiun: up to you. |
| 20:01.27 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 20:01.32 | icefox | http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~masterma/glasses/img/illus/deathmatch.jpg |
| 20:01.32 | icefox | hehehe |
| 20:01.35 | Twiun | kergoth: ok, I'll add that to my todo list |
| 20:01.36 | icefox | Hey JasonNJ |
| 20:01.40 | JasonNJ | hey kergoth... I saw the OZ delayed message |
| 20:01.44 | Twiun | kergoth: and my tolearn list :) |
| 20:01.56 | JasonNJ | is this in anticipation of being able to have sex on a regular basis again? lol |
| 20:01.57 | mewyn | hey jason |
| 20:02.08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hah, just busy as hell lately |
| 20:02.17 | chouimat | hey JasonNJ |
| 20:02.20 | JasonNJ | lol, where are you bringing her tonight? |
| 20:02.24 | JasonNJ | its valentinese day |
| 20:02.28 | JasonNJ | lot of pressure |
| 20:02.29 | Twiun | icefox: lol |
| 20:02.58 | chouimat | JasonNJ: I'm waiting for tomorrow: bitter singles day |
| 20:03.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:03.21 | treke | chouimat: isnt that everydau? |
| 20:04.12 | mewyn | kergoth: what do you have on the presets? |
| 20:04.13 | chouimat | treke: it's worst after valentine day :) |
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| 20:04.46 | JasonNJ | chou: thats when you quebecois prey on the recently broken up women! |
| 20:05.30 | kergoth | mewyn: Ethel XL (rock), Top 20 on 20, MTV Radio, The City (urban), Frank's Place (jazz & blues. sinatra), The Move, BPM, The System, XM Comedy, Discovery, E!, so far |
| 20:05.43 | JasonNJ | kergoth: did you make sure you got your supply of roofies? |
| 20:05.57 | mewyn | do they still have C-Net? |
| 20:06.13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: heh, i gotta drop by a couple stores on the way home from work |
| 20:06.15 | mewyn | JasonNJ: you still running e-gullet? |
| 20:06.16 | kergoth | mewyn: yeah |
| 20:06.22 | JasonNJ | mew: yep |
| 20:07.26 | mewyn | i've been thinking about long term goals, and i think i want to start a internet cafe/bar and a resturaunt |
| 20:07.45 | JasonNJ | mew: in what city? |
| 20:07.49 | mickeyl | hiho |
| 20:07.52 | mewyn | chicago |
| 20:08.08 | chouimat | JasonNJ: :) |
| 20:08.11 | mewyn | i'm gonna start off wit the cafe/bar |
| 20:08.39 | JasonNJ | how about a topless/nude internet cafe/bar? |
| 20:08.49 | JasonNJ | play quake AND get a lap dance. |
| 20:08.54 | mewyn | iesh |
| 20:08.58 | mewyn | that's a little over the top |
| 20:08.59 | chouimat | lol |
| 20:09.05 | chouimat | ulyx fortune |
| 20:09.05 | ulyx | All power corrupts, but we need electricity. |
| 20:09.08 | JasonNJ | dude, it would rake in serious bank. |
| 20:09.16 | Twiun | mewyn: but it'd cater to a specific market :) |
| 20:09.39 | chouimat | yup lonely university student |
| 20:09.57 | mewyn | not my thang :) |
| 20:10.02 | JasonNJ | It would be like the Playboy Club of the 21st Century |
| 20:10.07 | mewyn | lol |
| 20:10.15 | JasonNJ | I would call it "Latte and Titty" |
| 20:10.20 | treke | question is, is it your customers thang? :) |
| 20:11.18 | JasonNJ | I would strictly concentrate on coffee drinks and make it a totally nude revue |
| 20:11.26 | JasonNJ | forget the alcohol, margin on coffee is huge |
| 20:11.41 | mewyn | that's why i want to make it a coffee house most of the time :) |
| 20:12.02 | mewyn | plus, having internet access is a plus, and that rakes in extra money |
| 20:12.08 | JasonNJ | and while you are at it, make it a sex site |
| 20:12.18 | JasonNJ | so while the dancers are dancing, put them up on webcams |
| 20:12.25 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:12.37 | JasonNJ | I'm crazy like a fox |
| 20:12.40 | mewyn | iesh. |
| 20:12.42 | JasonNJ | hey, and use all handhelds |
| 20:12.49 | JasonNJ | use Zauruses running OZ |
| 20:12.55 | JasonNJ | with 802.11 |
| 20:12.57 | mewyn | i'm looking for something with a bit more class :) |
| 20:13.08 | chouimat | ok the doors are locked ... the cat is feeded for the weekend ... |
| 20:13.12 | JasonNJ | this way, they can get lapdances and in the other hand, look at their email. |
| 20:13.14 | treke | class is overrated |
| 20:13.35 | JasonNJ | dude, I bet you would get ALL the japanese in chicago. |
| 20:13.40 | JasonNJ | especially if it had karaoke. |
| 20:13.55 | JasonNJ | and make it a cigar bar too. |
| 20:14.01 | Twiun | cyas chou |
| 20:14.04 | mewyn | there are plenty of strip clubs. and it's just not a market i'm looking at :P |
| 20:14.18 | mewyn | the cigar bar doesn't sound like too bad an idea |
| 20:14.55 | chouimat | Twiun: thanks |
| 20:15.04 | kergoth | I say you get a cruise ship. fill it with gambling and strippers. and when you're in international waters, they're whores |
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| 20:15.12 | kergoth | yeah, blackjack right, but the dealers are strippers |
| 20:15.18 | kergoth | that shit would rule |
| 20:15.29 | Twiun | I'm sure that already goes on |
| 20:15.33 | kergoth | you could set a side bet to get her to take something off |
| 20:15.36 | JasonNJ | kergoth: fucking a, i would go on that cruise if I were single |
| 20:15.54 | chouimat | kergoth: sunday or monday for the buildsystem talk? |
| 20:16.16 | JasonNJ | man you know its friday when we talk like this |
| 20:16.21 | mickeyl | kergoth: did you build an image lately? i did on wednesday and all i got after flashing was "INIT: process respawns too fast - disabled" instead of "reconfiguring packages....". I guess we broke something since last RC ... |
| 20:16.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: yep, same behavior |
| 20:16.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: schurige reports its libc |
| 20:16.34 | mewyn | yah |
| 20:16.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: he copied a known good libc and it works |
| 20:16.45 | JasonNJ | I think OZ's boot logo should be a honky tonk woman. |
| 20:16.46 | kergoth | mickeyl: time to bk prs packages/libc6/Makefile :) |
| 20:16.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: ah - nice. so i can rebuild an image and it will work? |
| 20:17.02 | kergoth | mickeyl: no |
| 20:17.06 | kergoth | mickeyl: wahtever's broken is still broken |
| 20:17.10 | chouimat | bye I'm leaving |
| 20:17.12 | kergoth | mickeyl: its something with our libc6 build |
| 20:17.12 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... ah oh. |
| 20:17.16 | mewyn | JasonNJ: you don't happen to have any of the lettuce entertain you restuaunts around you, do you? |
| 20:17.20 | JasonNJ | like, a naked chick with a penguin between her legs |
| 20:17.31 | chouimat | and don't abuse ulyx while I'm gone :) |
| 20:17.40 | kergoth | quick, abuse ulyx! |
| 20:17.48 | chouimat | ~lart kergoth |
| 20:17.55 | kergoth | a dirty bomb? |
| 20:17.59 | kergoth | as opposed to a clean one? |
| 20:17.59 | mewyn | ~lart chouimat |
| 20:18.21 | chouimat | kergoth: I will install mirc on my father computer ... yurk 56k :( |
| 20:18.43 | kergoth | mickeyl: looks like all the recent libc6 changes were mine, i must've borked something, time to bk diffs around |
| 20:19.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: found it. |
| 20:19.34 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok... so at least its nothing with my buildroot |
| 20:19.39 | mickeyl | kergoth: damn, you're quick! |
| 20:19.45 | mickeyl | kergoth: what? |
| 20:19.45 | kergoth | mickeyl: its the optimizations. we had a CFLAGS= in the makefile that overrode the global one |
| 20:19.52 | kergoth | mickeyl: the global opts b0rk libc6 |
| 20:19.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: ouch. |
| 20:20.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: i had this problem once before, it was a bitch to track down |
| 20:20.29 | kergoth | mickeyl: thankfully i remembered it when looking at hte diffs :) |
| 20:21.02 | mickeyl | kergoth: cool. do you have a moment and can fix it? |
| 20:21.32 | kergoth | its the -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer .. one of the two |
| 20:21.36 | kergoth | yep, i'm fixing it now |
| 20:22.29 | mickeyl | kergoth: great. i'd like to build an image tonite and see if things still work :) |
| 20:23.02 | kergoth | mickeyl: note that i changed the way image creation is handled |
| 20:23.04 | mickeyl | saw you updated us to qte-2.3.4.beta5 - nice. and the separated menuconfig-stuff for image and build is way cool |
| 20:23.10 | kergoth | mickeyl: make image_menuconfig; make image; after you've done a build |
| 20:23.17 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:23.33 | mickeyl | kergoth: yeah. must we adapt some packages to make this work for all packages? |
| 20:23.38 | kergoth | seems to work here, but let me know if you run into any issues. |
| 20:23.42 | kergoth | nope, no adaptation necessary |
| 20:23.49 | mickeyl | kergoth: k - will check as soon as you got the libc fix in. |
| 20:23.51 | kergoth | just create new defconfigs to be copied into output/.config |
| 20:24.00 | kergoth | as the existing -image defconfigs are now useless |
| 20:24.03 | kergoth | so |
| 20:24.14 | kergoth | cp def-cofnigs/openzaurus-image output/.config; make image_oldconfig; make image |
| 20:24.16 | kergoth | for example |
| 20:24.34 | kergoth | assuming openzaurus-image is a .config as generated by image_*config |
| 20:24.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:24.45 | mickeyl | i see |
| 20:24.59 | kergoth | you can run these within output directly, as well. cd output; make menuconfig |
| 20:25.27 | kergoth | i should make it so you can run make within individual package dirs. just need a export TOPDIR?=$(shell pwd)/../.. or whatever in the makefiles |
| 20:25.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:25.39 | mickeyl | yeah, this would be a relief. |
| 20:25.55 | kergoth | cd packages/python; make; :) |
| 20:25.59 | mickeyl | :-D |
| 20:26.15 | kergoth | i saw you had to override our depends.. but theres nothing odd about those.. autogen shouldve worked |
| 20:26.26 | kergoth | maybe ill look into it at some point here |
| 20:26.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok. the thing is, when i finally had autogen to come up with something similar to the manual depends, I got lots of complains about recursive rules and repeatet rules from make |
| 20:27.03 | kergoth | oh, that reminds me. need to have toplevel clean, distclean, mrproper recurse into output/ as well |
| 20:27.09 | kergoth | mickeyl: weird |
| 20:27.13 | kergoth | mickeyl: I'll take a look |
| 20:28.00 | mickeyl | kergoth: ok. the manual depends was easier for me to handle now, but if we can get rid of it at some point, it would be even better. |
| 20:28.16 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 20:35.42 | Neo|Work | dammit, ulyx still has ny name it int |
| 20:35.47 | Neo|Work | and keeps highlighting |
| 20:35.52 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:37.59 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: dude, if you ever opened an internet bar it'd be rather.. unique |
| 20:38.29 | mewyn | Neo|Work: hey, that's /my/ plan! :P |
| 20:38.40 | mewyn | booze and computers always mix! :) |
| 20:38.53 | Neo|Work | ulyx roulette stats |
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| 20:38.55 | ulyx | roulette stats: 212 games completed, 807 shots fired at 32 players. Luckiest: nofpu (92.3% clicks). Unluckiest: Neo|Work (65.0% clicks). Highest survival rate: nofpu (90.0%). Lowest survival rate: ljp (0.0%). Most wins: mr_woody (26). Most deaths: icefox (83). |
| 20:38.56 | Neo|Work | that |
| 20:39.14 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:39.16 | Neo|Work | every time someone does that, xchat highlites on Neo|Work |
| 20:39.48 | mewyn | ibot roulette |
| 20:39.48 | | mewyn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:39.52 | Neo|Work | mewyn: I'm talking about JasonNJ's idea of a stripper internet coffee karokee cigar cafe |
| 20:40.01 | mewyn | ulyx roulette |
| 20:40.01 | ulyx | mewyn: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 20:40.08 | Neo|Work | ulux roulette |
| 20:40.12 | Neo|Work | ulyx roulette |
| 20:40.12 | kergoth | mewyn: use the roulette channel |
| 20:40.13 | ulyx | Neo|Work: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 20:40.15 | kergoth | #roulette |
| 20:40.16 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:40.19 | Neo|Work | ulyx roulette |
| 20:40.19 | ulyx | Neo|Work: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 20:40.24 | mewyn | i'm not gonna have strippers |
| 20:40.26 | Neo|Work | see, I need better stats. :P |
| 20:40.26 | mewyn | ulyx roulette |
| 20:40.27 | ulyx | mewyn: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 20:40.35 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.40 | mewyn | :P |
| 20:40.46 | ljp_work | not every bot get its own channel |
| 20:40.48 | Neo|Work | mewyn: dude, I know - I wasn't talking about your more ordinary idea, now was I? |
| 20:40.57 | mewyn | :P |
| 20:40.59 | kergoth | ulyx has #fortune too :P |
| 20:41.03 | Neo|Work | kergoth: bah, if the usage of the bot is disapproved, remove the bot. :P |
| 20:41.10 | mewyn | fine! nobody likes my ideas! |
| 20:41.10 | ljp_work | oh man |
| 20:41.21 | kergoth | mewyn: well.. your ideas need more strippers |
| 20:41.24 | treke | thats because your ideas dont include strippers |
| 20:41.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:41.33 | ljp_work | what ideas? |
| 20:41.42 | Neo|Work | well, I can tell you I'd never go to an internet cafe with strippers personally |
| 20:41.45 | ljp_work | strippers for Bitter Singles Day? |
| 20:41.51 | mewyn | i guess i'm not hornier than thou |
| 20:44.09 | Neo|Work | I'm surprised JasonNJ isn't going for the Tequila and Porn party for tonight |
| 20:44.41 | mewyn | well, i can see why not. it's got Tequila |
| 20:45.31 | Neo|Work | "The worst failures that we've had were probably The Mighty |
| 20:45.31 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.31 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.35 | Neo|Work | hah |
| 20:45.59 | Neo|Work | I'm reading the article from Kuro5hin on it (from Jan 29th) |
| 20:46.04 | kergoth | oh god |
| 20:46.08 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 20:46.14 | kergoth | midget madness? |
| 20:46.16 | kergoth | egad man |
| 20:46.23 | Neo|Work | my thought exactly |
| 20:46.36 | mewyn | i have one word for that... well, "word"... ok, sound... eep! |
| 20:48.21 | Neo|Work | "In other words, don't walk into a co-worker's office |
| 20:48.21 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.21 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.21 | Neo|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.23 | Neo|Work | hah |
| 20:48.34 | kergoth | haha |
| 20:52.17 | ljp_work | I dont get it |
| 20:56.15 | icefox | hehe I signed on as benmeyer0 with another acount to change my roulette stats. hehe |
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| 20:56.55 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: get what/ |
| 20:58.17 | ljp_work | why thats funny.. :) |
| 20:58.43 | kergoth | ~lart ljp_work |
| 20:58.53 | ljp_work | ouch |
| 20:59.47 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: it was funny in the context of "don't think your friends who attended your Tequila and Porn party want talk about it openly" |
| 21:02.10 | ljp_work | man today is s l o w |
| 21:02.56 | ljp_work | I just want to go home a celebrate Bitter Singles Day with my cat |
| 21:04.53 | mewyn | lol |
| 21:05.22 | treke | why dont we just get drunk and screw |
| 21:06.08 | kergoth | hey man, i dont swing that way |
| 21:06.21 | mewyn | nor do i |
| 21:09.17 | kergoth | schurig: pushed the image creation bits, if it explodes let me know |
| 21:10.48 | mewyn | http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20030214&Category=NEWS16&ArtNo=102140087&Ref=AR lol |
| 21:12.03 | mewyn | "After we do one of these, we get a lot more hits on our Web pages," she said, moving from one shivering foot to the other. "People want more information about what we stand for.".... NO! They are going to your website to see if they can find pics! |
| 21:15.14 | schurig | mickeyl|tv: stop watching, there's nothing worthwile in all of your Satelite TV channels :-) |
| 21:15.20 | ||ugh | Rats, bug gone. Last night when I was too trashed to chase it down, udhcpc had updated my /etc/resolv.conf with no nameservers, making the Z effectivly off the net, now they are back so bug hunting is useless. Watch for it. |
| 21:19.44 | schurig | kergoth: did you try the -f option of patcher to force patches which would reject? Did it work for you? |
| 21:19.56 | kergoth | schurig: havent had a chance. saw the commits, thanks :) |
| 21:23.54 | mickeyl | schurig: :-D |
| 21:24.14 | mickeyl | schurig: your two pages in the oe wiki are a good start for more request to existing buildsystem.s |
| 21:25.05 | icefox | Jeff Garzik said, "The definition of irony? Setting one's xscreensaver to BSOD, and then hours later the Linux box has a kernel panic... with the Windows blue screen of death on the screen." |
| 21:26.16 | mickeyl | comments even |
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| 21:26.43 | kergoth | icefox: hehe, yeah i saw that |
| 21:26.53 | kergoth | mickeyl: hmm, yeah, i hadnt read them until just now |
| 21:26.54 | kergoth | good information |
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| 21:27.12 | kergoth | so regardless of which system we base on, we can count on a substantial effort. |
| 21:27.24 | mickeyl | yeah, |
| 21:27.51 | kergoth | I'm fairly surprised nothing comes close enough to what we want |
| 21:28.14 | kergoth | I'd prefer python to bash/make myself, for flexibility.. |
| 21:28.32 | kergoth | testing the libc6 optimization fix now |
| 21:28.40 | schurig | http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/DirectoryStructure |
| 21:28.48 | schurig | more to come ... |
| 21:29.14 | schurig | I'm continueing with my ideas, e.g. for arch dependend things |
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| 21:29.34 | mickeyl | me too, as you can image. I still hope we can use SCons or something else as the base though. Writing a new one from scratch seems overkill |
| 21:31.01 | schurig | mickeyl: I did not fell in love with scons. Their construct scripts looked not-so-easy. I can manage the complexity, kergoth too and you. But we want many people to make them, not just us, so it should be easy. |
| 21:31.42 | schurig | And it does not have stuff for versioned dependencies, their idea of a dependency is pretty much based on file x depends on file y and command z |
| 21:32.02 | kergoth | well, directory structure neednt have a seperate dir for each package, given the package metadata will reside in whatever form we desire, a db file if need be.. |
| 21:32.28 | kergoth | none of the existing systems are going to have a sufficientlyi advanced dependency system.. not only do we need versioned deps, we also need all 3 dep forms |
| 21:33.01 | schurig | kergoth: hmm, maybe. I thought that in packages/sys/sysvinit you have files sysvinit-1.2.3.oe, sysvinit-1.2.4.oe, sysvinit-1.2.5.oe and so on. |
| 21:33.12 | schurig | One marked as stable, the other testing or enjoyment. |
| 21:33.32 | kergoth | well regardless, its just an implementation issue. seperate files or a single db |
| 21:33.34 | schurig | Also, in those directories are the patches to sysvinit, if needed. So separate directories may be better. |
| 21:33.58 | kergoth | so those are for source files, not for metadata? if so, thats fine |
| 21:34.02 | schurig | The files get read and put into a db, but having them as files allows easier handling via cvs/bk/e-mail, whatever |
| 21:34.38 | schurig | Also, I want in the /conf directory some place where it says in which directories it finds /packages. So you can have a local one. When we're good, we could even point it to some web page. |
| 21:34.59 | kergoth | yes, we're already agreed that you need a PATH style arrangement for bits |
| 21:35.07 | schurig | My idea is that something goes recursively over the /package directories, look at the mtime of the files an re-read them into the berkely db |
| 21:35.14 | kergoth | we're just hung up on implementation issues now :) |
| 21:35.32 | kergoth | what format are these files? CSV? |
| 21:35.48 | schurig | kergoth: what you mean with sourcefiles? Sourcefiles get downloaded. |
| 21:36.18 | kergoth | oh dont argue semantics with me. |
| 21:36.29 | kergoth | right now both upstream source tarball and patches fit into our "Sources" paradigm |
| 21:36.53 | schurig | kergoth: the format could be similar to those gentoo ebuild files. You can source them into bash, but there is also code in python that read them and learn from the definitions and put them into python lists/directories. I like this flexibility. |
| 21:37.23 | kergoth | heh, you realize that deviating even slightly in those bash scripts could easily break the python 'ebuild' parser |
| 21:37.29 | mickeyl | as the local python zealot here, /me promises to take a look into both ebuild and scons on weekend |
| 21:37.33 | kergoth | you're opening up a maintainance bitch |
| 21:37.37 | schurig | kergoth: back to sources: do have in mind that OE should support the sourcefiles, too? Like Debian has it in it's pool? |
| 21:38.04 | kergoth | schurig: I want to pull pristine source tarballs from original upstream locations, but support mirrors, and we'll mirror them on our server(s) |
| 21:38.10 | schurig | kergoth: what you mean with "deviating"? my english is sometimes limited |
| 21:38.14 | kergoth | schurig: think of it like debian, only one of the source mirrors is the original source location |
| 21:38.26 | kergoth | I mean you establish a format for the file |
| 21:38.36 | kergoth | if you do something strange that goes outside of that format, you'll break the parser |
| 21:38.44 | kergoth | unless the parser is as versitile as bash itself |
| 21:38.53 | kergoth | in which case you're reinventing bash's parser |
| 21:39.04 | schurig | kergoth: hey, that's true for anything. And you can even put in things that will break bash, like |
| 21:39.07 | schurig | echo "Hello world!" |
| 21:39.08 | schurig | :-) |
| 21:39.22 | schurig | (Bash won't like the ! AFAIK) |
| 21:39.33 | kergoth | I think using a full bash format is going to add unneeded complexity |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | the data in the db is essentially key/value pairs |
| 21:39.57 | kergoth | it shoudl be stored in the flatfiles in a similar structure |
| 21:40.02 | kergoth | (imho) |
| 21:40.05 | schurig | kergoth: no, not full. Have you visited some of the *.ebuild that I put into the wiki? |
| 21:40.30 | schurig | They don't have ` backticks, for example. Shell var expansion is always ${VAR}, not $VAR. |
| 21:40.44 | schurig | full parsing is overblow, I agree with you |
| 21:40.46 | kergoth | so its key/value, and specific functions |
| 21:41.21 | schurig | kergoth: yeah. And the specific functions won't sometimes even be executed. For example, the "prerm" function. The parser just takes the contents of this |
| 21:41.31 | kergoth | course in our db, those 'functions' contents will reside in the db as data as well, so the only difference between it and a key/value is the syntax |
| 21:41.32 | schurig | function and put's it into the CONTROL directory of the IPKG. |
| 21:42.17 | kergoth | right, so in our case, we define an exact format, what functions are supported, as that will be defined based on our database structure |
| 21:42.22 | schurig | Yeh, and the parser can be very dumb. Function starts with ^[a-zA-Z0-9_]+ \(\) \{ and ends with ^\} |
| 21:42.32 | schurig | all lines in between is function and get's simply stored. |
| 21:42.47 | kergoth | right, the only diff between 'function' and 'key/value' is that it uses { } rather than " " or newline |
| 21:42.57 | schurig | yeah. And if some fellow defines a function with a name that is not defined, we will complain |
| 21:43.01 | kergoth | in fact, the parser could easily support both |
| 21:43.02 | kergoth | i.e. |
| 21:43.19 | kergoth | description() { .. "dos filesystem tools" .. } |
| 21:43.25 | kergoth | since its just being pulled into a db |
| 21:43.34 | schurig | keys can also have {} in them, e.g. BUILD_ARCH=${ARCH} |
| 21:43.35 | kergoth | just make it support both key=value and key() { .. value .. } |
| 21:43.47 | kergoth | right, so it needs to keep track of {} depth |
| 21:43.50 | kergoth | no biggie |
| 21:43.52 | schurig | I want the functions so: |
| 21:43.58 | schurig | description() { |
| 21:44.00 | schurig | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.01 | schurig | } |
| 21:44.07 | kergoth | right |
| 21:44.10 | schurig | so not in one line. |
| 21:44.12 | kergoth | its a key/value just structured differently |
| 21:44.28 | schurig | If we force this command, we don't need to keep track of {} depth |
| 21:44.47 | kergoth | .. then how do you know end of function? } at beginning of line? |
| 21:44.52 | kergoth | so you force indentation |
| 21:44.54 | kergoth | right? |
| 21:45.01 | schurig | kergoth: Ah, now I know what you mean. Yes, a "function" is basically a key with a multiline var :-) |
| 21:45.05 | kergoth | exactly. |
| 21:45.23 | schurig | kergoth: yes, I force indentation. After all, we're going into python direction :-) |
| 21:45.34 | treke | lets just use lisp |
| 21:45.35 | kergoth | thats fine, less work for the parser |
| 21:45.40 | kergoth | ~kill treke |
| 21:45.41 | | ACTION slits treke's throat |
| 21:45.41 | schurig | And, hey, that's just a thought |
| 21:45.54 | treke | or not |
| 21:46.05 | schurig | treke: why not use FORTRAN77 ? |
| 21:46.08 | kergoth | schurig: note that we'll want a web searcher, so the web site could just bk pull our tree, build a db from its content, then parse the db? |
| 21:46.22 | kergoth | simple enough |
| 21:46.50 | kergoth | So the question is, is scons a sufficient beginning, or do we implement a new system from the ground up in python? |
| 21:46.51 | schurig | yes, that should be possible. The idea is that I have some oe.py file, that all tools can import. Then they have the functions/classes to parse the files, |
| 21:46.59 | schurig | calculate dependencies, access the database |
| 21:47.07 | schurig | The actual scripts will become small this case. |
| 21:47.19 | schurig | The oe.py will become somewhat big. |
| 21:47.23 | kergoth | just make most of the scripts use the data in the db, not hte flatfile data |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | then just ensure the db is always rebuilt on update of the flatfiles |
| 21:47.36 | schurig | That would also be faster |
| 21:47.40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:48.17 | schurig | Maybe some triggers in BK, when a file in some directory changes, then BK could automatically call something. Not sure if this feature exists ... but it would be cool. |
| 21:48.24 | kergoth | mickeyl: testing the libc opt fix in an image, i'll let you know if it worked |
| 21:49.02 | kergoth | schurig: well, comparing date/timestamps on the files should be sufficient, ala gnu make, for most cases |
| 21:49.07 | kergoth | schurig: i.e. db rebuild |
| 21:49.15 | mickeyl | mickeyl: yes, please. if it works for you, i start building here |
| 21:49.23 | schurig | kergoth: that was my original idea |
| 21:49.26 | kergoth | I wonder if bk can be setup with a logs mailing list |
| 21:49.26 | kergoth | like cvs |
| 21:49.38 | mickeyl | talking to myself again... |
| 21:49.42 | mickeyl | oh boy |
| 21:49.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49.45 | mickeyl | :-D |
| 21:50.49 | schurig | kergoth: it would be a shame if it couldn't do that. |
| 21:51.30 | kergoth | schurig: agreed. i'm sure it can.. just dunno how |
| 21:51.46 | kergoth | probably a way to bind push/pull to a script, same as cvs |
| 21:54.16 | schurig | kergoth: that must be a FAQ |
| 21:54.34 | treke | kergoth: question, when kernel-headers tries building, is it going to dump itself in the default directory for a kernel, or in a kernel-headers subdirectory of ./build/? |
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| 21:56.40 | noda | Moo! |
| 21:57.41 | treke | noda: a specifc patheticness, or just a general all round I suck? |
| 21:58.35 | noda | treke: Well, the usual patheticness involving Girl. I mean, I coulda gotten a date tonight very easily, but I couldn't because I'd feel horrible. |
| 21:58.43 | noda | So instead I'll just stay at home and feel horrible. |
| 21:58.55 | treke | ok. welcome to the club :) |
| 21:58.59 | noda | rofl |
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| 21:59.45 | noda | Ah well. Guess what I'm gonna do instead! I'm going to do some awesome CSS with the website :) |
| 21:59.57 | mickeyl | kergoth: can i make libtool depend on autoconf and automake? it should build after them if they're selected |
| 22:00.08 | icefox | noda: ah dude you should read the geek-dating howto |
| 22:00.12 | icefox | it was on sladhdot :_D |
| 22:00.15 | noda | icefox: lol |
| 22:00.20 | noda | I'll check it out :P |
| 22:00.30 | treke | good thing alcohol never rejects me |
| 22:00.33 | icefox | pretty much said follow your dick and ask her out. |
| 22:00.39 | icefox | better in the long run |
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| 22:01.23 | icefox | dinner |
| 22:02.55 | noda | http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2003/02/14/ |
| 22:03.25 | noda | Man, Opera must be pretty pissed off :) |
| 22:04.21 | treke | I like opera, even if I dont like their software :) |
| 22:04.45 | noda | Yeah, I don't use Opera but I really hope they succeed. |
| 22:04.54 | noda | Wish they did better CSS though... (though they do leave IE in the dust) |
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| 22:08.43 | schurig | noda: it's a scandal that M$ did never get a real fine for their rude methods |
| 22:09.02 | noda | schurig: Yep. But apparently Europe is going to be faring better in THEIR antitrust thingy. |
| 22:09.19 | schurig | I hope. Europe is not always better. Looks like we get software patents after all. |
| 22:09.20 | noda | i.e., they are legally allowed to fine billions of dollars (though they probably won't...) |
| 22:10.51 | kergoth | mickeyl: well, only downside there is we really dont require that they be enabled to enable libtool.. its only _if_ they're enabled that we need proper depends.. hmm, interesting dillemma |
| 22:12.52 | schurig | kergoth: I added some more text to my directory structure idea |
| 22:12.57 | kergoth | haha, i wonder.. |
| 22:12.59 | kergoth | mickeyl: |
| 22:13.02 | kergoth | if AUTOCONF |
| 22:13.05 | kergoth | depends AUTOCONF |
| 22:13.06 | kergoth | else |
| 22:13.11 | kergoth | blah |
| 22:13.11 | kergoth | endif |
| 22:13.15 | kergoth | in the config.in? |
| 22:13.19 | kergoth | hah, i wonder if thatd work |
| 22:13.20 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm.... reads good... would this work? |
| 22:13.25 | kergoth | in theory |
| 22:13.41 | schurig | kergoth: Hmm, I added the depends LIBTOOL stuff. Maybe I should do it like this: |
| 22:13.44 | mickeyl | what will autodepend make of this then? |
| 22:13.52 | schurig | depend (...) && (LIBTOOL || !MANDRAKE82) |
| 22:13.57 | kergoth | mickeyl: it'll add that to the prereq's |
| 22:14.06 | schurig | Because on Mdk82 you NEED the libtool, otherwise many packages won't compile |
| 22:14.30 | kergoth | if MANDRAKE82 |
| 22:14.32 | noda | Okay, time to figure out a nice way to do OpenZaurus themes :) |
| 22:14.33 | kergoth | depends LIBTOOL |
| 22:14.33 | kergoth | endif |
| 22:14.35 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:14.44 | kergoth | lkc/kconfig supports if blocks |
| 22:15.04 | kergoth | wonder what it'd make of multiple depends linees |
| 22:15.06 | kergoth | in a single config item |
| 22:15.07 | noda | I think I'll make a theme that integrates with your *desktop* theme... just stumbled over that part of the reference :) |
| 22:15.11 | kergoth | it _should_ append them all |
| 22:15.20 | schurig | kergoth: AFAIK it only allows ONE depend line --- but I'm not 100% sure |
| 22:15.28 | schurig | no if blocks, that's for sure. |
| 22:15.33 | kergoth | eh? |
| 22:15.38 | kergoth | i dunno what you're talking about. |
| 22:15.49 | kergoth | I've used if blocks in lkc |
| 22:15.53 | kergoth | on numerous occasions |
| 22:15.57 | kergoth | and its documented in the specifications |
| 22:16.02 | treke | sweet. libmetakit is in my buildroot now :) |
| 22:16.13 | mickeyl | treke: what is this? |
| 22:16.22 | treke | mickeyl: Its the library for portabse |
| 22:16.32 | kergoth | schurig: scripts/kconfig/lkc_spec. read up. |
| 22:16.36 | schurig | kergoth: do you have an example? I believe you, I just want to see how it looks like (for my own config.in's :-) |
| 22:16.40 | kergoth | schurig: read. |
| 22:16.48 | kergoth | i just gave you an example |
| 22:16.51 | kergoth | config HEH |
| 22:16.56 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.01 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.03 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.08 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.18 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.22 | kergoth | er, actually i dunno if it has else |
| 22:17.29 | kergoth | i know for a fact if works, so just a shitload of if's |
| 22:17.32 | treke | mickeyl: I've been making it my goal to be able to build an image with all the apps I use preinstalled :) |
| 22:17.51 | kergoth | schurig: you can also default y if MANDRAKE82 |
| 22:17.58 | mickeyl | treke: yeah, sounds good. I want to try this image here, if it's ready :) |
| 22:18.23 | treke | http://info.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/oz-ipaq.jffs2. Works. no bluetooth though |
| 22:18.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: any idea why libtool depends on libc? it's a build tool, so it doesn't need arm-libc |
| 22:18.28 | schurig | kergoth: I know the trailing if |
| 22:18.29 | kergoth | schurig: you can also make an option either prompt or not based on config |
| 22:18.39 | kergoth | schurig: prompt "hey there" if BLAH |
| 22:18.45 | kergoth | mickeyl: it shouldnt |
| 22:18.49 | kergoth | schurig: trailing if? |
| 22:18.49 | mickeyl | k |
| 22:18.55 | treke | I think the ipaq I bought comes with a bluetooth card though, so maybe I can try it |
| 22:19.04 | schurig | statement IF if-clause |
| 22:19.13 | schurig | That's the trailing if. Idea stolen from perl. |
| 22:19.18 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:19.19 | schurig | or forth |
| 22:19.33 | kergoth | if block is supported as well, afaik it always has been, even back to the first lkc version I played with |
| 22:19.37 | schurig | naja, forth would be even more obfuscated :-) |
| 22:20.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:21.05 | kergoth | I think itd be cool to make a 'menu' block 'optional' |
| 22:21.11 | kergoth | the way you can make 'choice' optional |
| 22:21.27 | kergoth | there are multiple times now when I couldve used that |
| 22:21.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:24.04 | kergoth | also, a 'define' function would be useful |
| 22:24.07 | kergoth | ala CML1/2 |
| 22:24.14 | kergoth | particularly for 'string' config items |
| 22:26.41 | gaurdian | how do ya get the today applet to show more than "todays" appointments, I have already looked at the settings and its set for 5 days |
| 22:27.33 | kergoth | you pester harlekin :) |
| 22:28.34 | gaurdian | Harlekin , how do you get the today applet to show appointments in the next few days, I have already looked at the setting and set it to 5......do I need to change aneother config ? |
| 22:28.56 | treke | you go to the config menu :) |
| 22:29.00 | kergoth | ibot: pester Harlekin |
| 22:29.02 | | Harlekin: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 22:29.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:29.09 | gaurdian | I did go to the config menu |
| 22:29.56 | treke | gaurdian: then you go to http://opie.info/mantis |
| 22:30.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:33.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: re the libc6 problem... any idea why enabling gcc optimizations did lead to a segfault ? |
| 22:33.24 | kergoth | no idea.. but it looks like it was -fexpensive-optimizations |
| 22:33.31 | Harlekin | y? |
| 22:33.33 | mickeyl | damn - that shouldn't be. |
| 22:33.38 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 22:33.43 | Harlekin | gaurdian: ill take a look |
| 22:35.09 | Harlekin | gaurdian: works here |
| 22:35.13 | Harlekin | gaurdian: from when is your today? |
| 22:40.00 | schurig | kergoth: Ok, I wrote down what we talked about the build files and the database. Please feel free to change stuff in the Wiki |
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| 22:41.29 | kergoth | schurig: hehe, was actually reading BuildFiles right now :) |
| 22:42.31 | schurig | did I forget anything we talked about? |
| 22:43.01 | kergoth | hmm, wonder how we'd implement slightly altering a set of build steps based on config/'bits' |
| 22:43.18 | kergoth | i.e. do everything, but also this other thing, when building for zaurus/oz |
| 22:43.25 | schurig | I need to add more <br>'s |
| 22:43.26 | MSpin | kergoth: got a sec? |
| 22:43.33 | kergoth | MSpin: yeah, whats up? |
| 22:43.57 | kergoth | schurig: only downside i see to having the build steps run from bash directly, is the inability to directly call other python functions from it |
| 22:44.01 | schurig | maybe with ifdefs. |
| 22:44.07 | schurig | Or one-the-line, like |
| 22:44.24 | schurig | zaurus? make -DZAURUS |
| 22:44.31 | schurig | ramses? make -DRAMSES |
| 22:44.37 | schurig | else? make -DSHIT |
| 22:44.55 | kergoth | perhaps our commands within the 'functions' would be actual python scripts, eval'd, that may or may not call our shell functions? |
| 22:45.41 | schurig | kergoth: the other thing is that you can have in a file /local/sys/tcpdump/tcdump.oe with only the compile() { ... } in it. That should the override the general one. |
| 22:46.59 | schurig | kergoth: for compiling, the python script would pull things out of the database and create a tmp shell file with lots of XXX=yyy at the top, then the |
| 22:47.12 | schurig | compile() contents. That will then be executed. |
| 22:47.15 | schurig | This was my first idea. |
| 22:47.50 | schurig | However, it could also, with some more black magic, do this for each line. So we could have lines that are marked as python and get executed by python, others by shell. |
| 22:48.09 | kergoth | hmm, makes sense |
| 22:48.10 | schurig | But in general I like the shell execution more. It's not so artificial different from Makefiles. |
| 22:48.24 | schurig | But python code would be *powerful*. :-) |
| 22:48.26 | kergoth | its simpler, thats for sure, but also less flexible |
| 22:48.27 | kergoth | right |
| 22:48.54 | schurig | However, I guess that not every package maintainer will be able to use this power. And that it's not sooooo often needed. |
| 22:50.03 | kergoth | yeah, so maybe make it capable of this, but with sane default behavior for those not using it |
| 22:50.15 | schurig | different function form. |
| 22:50.18 | kergoth | i just want to make sure the designed system is sufficiently flexible that we dont get into a rut |
| 22:50.23 | schurig | compile() { ... } for shell |
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| 22:50.30 | schurig | compile: ... for python |
| 22:50.59 | kergoth | yeah, something like that |
| 22:51.10 | schurig | that would be easy to read in both circumstances. |
| 22:55.44 | schurig | kergoth: added your python idea |
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| 22:57.13 | AndyQ | hello all |
| 22:58.09 | mickeyl | hi andy |
| 22:58.15 | noda | Moo |
| 22:58.20 | AndyQ | hows things? |
| 22:58.42 | noda | Sucky. You? |
| 22:59.01 | AndyQ | heh - not too bad - hate Valentines day though (with a passion :) |
| 22:59.25 | noda | I think it's safe to say most people who are on this channel hate Valentine's day :P |
| 22:59.33 | AndyQ | LOL! |
| 22:59.43 | troffasky | lol yeah me too |
| 22:59.56 | AndyQ | too much expectation - too much hype - blah blah blah! |
| 23:00.03 | AndyQ | just sucks! |
| 23:00.12 | troffasky | St Haha-you're-single-let's-rub-it-in-and-twist-the-knife's Day |
| 23:00.35 | AndyQ | hehe - even worse when your married and your wife has had a really crap day at work! |
| 23:01.41 | ljp_work | it's Bitter Singles Day |
| 23:02.12 | troffasky | Eeep! St All-romantic-overtones-bitterly-deflated's Day |
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| 23:02.40 | AndyQ | heh - I hate the crass commercialism of it all |
| 23:03.01 | AndyQ | You must buy flowers (which we will charge fucking 20 times the normal cost) |
| 23:03.13 | AndyQ | You must do this, do that, etc |
| 23:03.35 | troffasky | And if you don't do it, you OBVIOUSLY don't love her enough... ;) |
| 23:03.43 | AndyQ | yup |
| 23:04.00 | treke | hehe, days like valentines day I'm happy to be single |
| 23:04.13 | ljp_work | just get her 20 good stiff ones will get her ready for the 21st |
| 23:04.35 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 23:04.44 | troffasky | that's 20 shots of vodka, right? ;) |
| 23:04.48 | ljp_work | I'm not single! I have my cat! |
| 23:04.58 | treke | troffasky: I hope |
| 23:05.00 | ljp_work | sure.. I'd say rum.. but whatever |
| 23:05.19 | AndyQ | cats are good! I can't have one as Anne's allergic to fur (and to be honest I'd rather have Anne than a cat) |
| 23:05.24 | schurig | kergoth: added what we just talked about |
| 23:05.26 | AndyQ | but I still like cats soooo much |
| 23:05.35 | AndyQ | just lucky there are loads round our area |
| 23:06.05 | ljp_work | I wish I had a girlfriend that had as much of a licking fetish as my cat :D |
| 23:06.17 | AndyQ | :) |
| 23:06.26 | ljp_work | oh well.. |
| 23:06.46 | treke | ljp_work: just as long as she doesnt spend half the day licking her ass |
| 23:06.47 | AndyQ | I just hope you cat.......nah - not going there! |
| 23:06.52 | schurig | You just need the right woman. I'm married since September last year, and I'm married to a nice wife that does not expect valentine flowers, because she |
| 23:07.04 | schurig | is intelligent enought to see the commercialism behind it |
| 23:07.27 | schurig | (about 10 years ago, valentin day was hardly recognized here, but commercials brought it into the mind of people) |
| 23:07.27 | AndyQ | schurig: yup - similar except secretly they still really want the flowers |
| 23:08.14 | AndyQ | ah well - thats enough moaning |
| 23:08.18 | troffasky | Sounds like Love Day from the Simpsons |
| 23:08.25 | schurig | I don't think so. When there is not valentine's day AND i bring flowers (which I sometimes do, because may way from work -> home passes a supermarket) --- then she will be happy. Because then she knows that I thought about her. Not the TV commercials :-) |
| 23:08.27 | ljp_work | treke: hahaha! thats funny |
| 23:09.12 | ljp_work | schurig: you obviously do not live in the US where women are 'shoppers' |
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| 23:09.26 | AndyQ | schurig: I agree completely - it should be the whole year you think about things - NOT because some commercial/whatever says that this is the day to do it |
| 23:10.01 | schurig | we have shopper woman here, too. They can't go a straight line, they have to zigzag to see 10 windows and 5 stores. Or 5 windows and 10 stores from the inside, if they're are the worser ones |
| 23:10.21 | AndyQ | schurig: where you from? |
| 23:10.28 | schurig | Germany. Near Frankfurt. |
| 23:11.05 | schurig | AndyQ: and you? |
| 23:11.16 | AndyQ | England - your lucky if valentines isn't too commercial yet - here its solid full one shit. JUst after Christmas is starts |
| 23:11.21 | AndyQ | s/is/it |
| 23:11.38 | schurig | where in England? |
| 23:11.40 | AndyQ | you get maybe 2 weeks (just long enough for the sales to get going) |
| 23:11.52 | AndyQ | Next to Windsor (South) |
| 23:12.07 | schurig | I've been in London, Shrewsbury, Chester, Carlisle, Warwick and Haywards Heath |
| 23:12.17 | schurig | I like the land, not so much the towns. |
| 23:12.28 | schurig | Your country is BEATYFUL ! :-) |
| 23:12.42 | AndyQ | Hehe - I've been to London and Warwick (according to my parents) out of that lot :) |
| 23:12.52 | AndyQ | bits of it are pretty nice |
| 23:13.22 | AndyQ | its nice to be able to go 5 minutes out of town abd be in country (fields as far as you can see) |
| 23:13.40 | schurig | Yeah,it's the same. Usually americans tell me how beatyful germany is. But I'm used to it. |
| 23:14.00 | AndyQ | But then you never really notice where you are - grass is always greener somewhere else |
| 23:14.22 | schurig | But one thing is very UK like that I like: the public-right-of-way footpaths. |
| 23:14.44 | treke | no, it just that much of the US is butt fricken ugly |
| 23:14.44 | schurig | We have little ways throught the fields and forests, but not those little footpaths |
| 23:14.50 | AndyQ | yeah - its a typical thing - someplaces you even have right of way through peoples backgradens! |
| 23:15.00 | kergoth | treke: yeah, and we have to drive a fucking long way to find anything beautiful |
| 23:15.06 | schurig | Hehe, the americans don't have either of them, just lots of posts saying "Trespassing forbidden". |
| 23:15.58 | ljp_work | cept for the fake boobs |
| 23:16.14 | treke | go a little south and its you're in an area that cant get ugly |
| 23:16.16 | schurig | At one time I flew to Abilaine, Texas. A asked a lady that was born and grown up which places to visit in Texas. She said "None, it's boring." Unfortunately she was right. But once you're in New Mexico, it's nice, e.g. Carlsberg Caverns ore White Sands. |
| 23:16.21 | treke | uglier |
| 23:16.43 | schurig | ups,missed a word: ... born and grown up in Texas which ... |
| 23:16.55 | AndyQ | I liked Tucson - so much land - soo different to what I'd seen before |
| 23:17.19 | ljp_work | Texas Gulf coast is nice |
| 23:17.20 | MSpin | mmm...Seattle:) |
| 23:17.31 | kergoth | schurig: hmm, it'd be cool if a local compile function could override only a section of a compile function thats previous in the path.. but i have _no_ idea how you'd go about that |
| 23:17.35 | kergoth | schurig: heh |
| 23:18.14 | schurig | kergoth: maybe via substitute or delete/insert stuff. But this is ugly. |
| 23:18.15 | AndyQ | I've just joined the evil ranks and order a Dell Axim to go along with my Z |
| 23:18.25 | treke | AndyQ: bastard |
| 23:18.34 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 23:18.36 | kergoth | schurig: agreed. it'd be a cool feature, but i cant think of a means of implementation that wouldnt suck horribly |
| 23:18.36 | schurig | replace "^make .*$" with "make -Dnothing" |
| 23:18.41 | schurig | something like that? |
| 23:18.42 | AndyQ | now just need OZ for the Dell :) |
| 23:18.55 | kergoth | AndyQ: we need _linux_ for the dell :) |
| 23:19.01 | kergoth | then OZ is a breeze |
| 23:19.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19.03 | AndyQ | Got too tempted by the price (and had the need for a new toy) |
| 23:19.10 | AndyQ | kergoth: yup |
| 23:19.38 | AndyQ | shouldn't be too hard - XScale - should be fairly compatable with the C600? |
| 23:19.42 | kergoth | AndyQ: well, they've been contacted by a number of folks |
| 23:19.51 | kergoth | AndyQ: including jason, and some of the familiar folks |
| 23:20.02 | kergoth | AndyQ: all depends on how willing they are to cooperate |
| 23:20.11 | MSpin | AndyQ: depends on what stepping they are using:) |
| 23:20.22 | kergoth | nelson said that he talked to one of the dell folks, who wanted to get linux on it using their existing bootloader.. dunno what status is |
| 23:20.27 | MSpin | are they putting C0 in 'em yet? |
| 23:20.38 | AndyQ | Well not sure - Dell can be kinda Windows focused but then they have stepped out of the fold sometimes |
| 23:20.43 | kergoth | doubt it. are c0's shipping in numbers? i know devs have them, but .. |
| 23:20.53 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, I don't know |
| 23:21.10 | MSpin | does wince report the processor stepping? |
| 23:21.16 | kergoth | whats the model number on those again? PXA255 or PXA260? i keep forgetting |
| 23:21.29 | MSpin | 255 I *thought* |
| 23:21.29 | kergoth | i remember they renamed it to avoid the PXA250's bad rep |
| 23:21.34 | kergoth | yeah, that sounds right |
| 23:22.08 | MSpin | I know ADS has some XScale boards |
| 23:22.20 | schurig | kergoth: C0's are shipping in numbers |
| 23:22.28 | AndyQ | CO? |
| 23:22.35 | schurig | PXA250 C0 == PXA255 A0 |
| 23:22.53 | AndyQ | and the PXAxxx is? |
| 23:22.59 | MSpin | AndyQ: the C0 process or stepping |
| 23:23.03 | MSpin | AndyQ: the XScale |
| 23:23.19 | AndyQ | Ahhh - thx |
| 23:23.26 | schurig | AndyQ: C0 is the first stepping of the PXA250 that is really usable. B0 made e..g two strobes on some control lines when you access 8 bit PCMCIA memory. |
| 23:23.46 | schurig | AndyQ: that made all PCMCIA cards with FIFO-Structure in the non-working (e.g. almost all WLAN cards) |
| 23:24.06 | schurig | PXA26x is a PXA25x with built-in flash |
| 23:24.13 | AndyQ | OK - that clears that up - thx also |
| 23:24.32 | treke | u/me thinks hes gonna wait till all this crap is straightend out before upgrading |
| 23:24.54 | schurig | kergoth: added your idea, but no solution to your idea yet. |
| 23:25.01 | kergoth | schurig: okay, thanks |
| 23:25.04 | AndyQ | I got too tempted with the price and though sod it - and just ordered one |
| 23:25.06 | schurig | Because I have no solution for now. |
| 23:25.19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:25.29 | kergoth | maybe there is no solution, but its good to write all this down |
| 23:25.31 | schurig | We would have to store the alternations, because later the original *.oe file your be re-imported (after mtime changed). What then? |
| 23:25.45 | kergoth | that reminds me, I need to schedule a new buildsystem meeting |
| 23:26.08 | ljp_work | HMMM |
| 23:26.09 | treke | I tend to look at it this way, none of my performance issues would be fixed by even a fast xscale |
| 23:26.10 | schurig | I could not attend to any one of the previous meetings :-( |
| 23:26.11 | ljp_work | whoops sorry |
| 23:26.12 | kergoth | schurig: hmm, yeah, it'd have to keep the original + all additional bits modifying it in their original states, in the system |
| 23:26.15 | kergoth | would be a pain |
| 23:26.25 | kergoth | schurig: well, I want to schedule this one a ways out, and timed better, so more can attend |
| 23:26.37 | kergoth | schurig: i want to pull in some folks from related projects. debian, emdebian, qplus, handhelds.org |
| 23:26.48 | ljp_work | from opie? |
| 23:26.50 | kergoth | schurig: since this could benefit them all. anyone using a buildroot as well |
| 23:26.57 | kergoth | i.e. uclibc, tuxscreen |
| 23:26.58 | schurig | for europeans, one/two/three hours ago should be good. Do we have Asians? |
| 23:27.09 | kergoth | hmm, not afaik |
| 23:27.29 | schurig | in linux-arm-kernel we get more and more asians. Funny english, even funnier than mine ... |
| 23:27.37 | kergoth | hehe, i've noticed |
| 23:27.51 | kergoth | god i'm sick of raj, i dont see how rmk keeps his patience with these people |
| 23:27.54 | kergoth | i'd be going ballistic |
| 23:29.00 | schurig | anyway, I'm going and join my wife in bed. Good night! |
| 23:29.16 | kergoth | night |
| 23:29.18 | ljp_work | I think effy is in japan |
| 23:29.25 | kergoth | yeah, effy is in japan |
| 23:29.30 | kergoth | but afaik he's not into the buildsystem issues |
| 23:29.31 | AndyQ | night |
| 23:29.32 | ljp_work | ~lart shurig |
| 23:29.40 | kergoth | ~lart ljp's spelling |
| 23:29.51 | ljp_work | ga |
| 23:29.51 | schurig|sleepy | ljp_work: i *SAW* that, you f.... b........ |
| 23:29.56 | ljp_work | I hate typing |
| 23:30.17 | AndyQ | ulyx roulette |
| 23:30.17 | ulyx | AndyQ: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:30.20 | AndyQ | ulyx roulette |
| 23:30.20 | ulyx | AndyQ: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:30.21 | AndyQ | ulyx roulette |
| 23:30.22 | ulyx | AndyQ: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:30.23 | AndyQ | ulyx roulette |
| 23:30.23 | ulyx | AndyQ: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:30.24 | AndyQ | ulyx roulette |
| 23:30.24 | ulyx | AndyQ: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:30.29 | *** part/#openembedded schurig|sleepy (~schurig@p5080A2E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:30.32 | AndyQ | urrgh |
| 23:30.34 | AndyQ | ulyx roulette |
| 23:30.34 | ulyx | AndyQ: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:30.41 | kergoth | AndyQ: /join #roulette |
| 23:30.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:30.46 | AndyQ | :) |
| 23:34.46 | ljp_work | hmm if my spelling had its own machine, it would be better |
| 23:36.46 | AndyQ | wasn't that fun |
| 23:37.27 | ljp_work | no |
| 23:37.32 | kergoth | liar |
| 23:37.36 | AndyQ | hey - you weren't there :) |
| 23:37.42 | ljp_work | violence isnt fun |
| 23:37.46 | ljp_work | :D |
| 23:38.01 | AndyQ | Quake rules! |
| 23:38.11 | ljp_work | never played it |
| 23:38.13 | AndyQ | and if that aint violent I don't know what is |
| 23:38.17 | AndyQ | yeah right |
| 23:38.22 | ljp_work | nope, never |
| 23:38.29 | AndyQ | seriously? |
| 23:38.31 | ljp_work | too evil |
| 23:38.33 | ljp_work | yes |
| 23:38.35 | kergoth | what? |
| 23:38.40 | *** topic/#openembedded by AndyQ -> OpenEmbedded - Where bots are abused 'round the clock | please don't ask kergoth about sd/mmc support | Women are hyperthreaded.haven't lived ! |
| 23:38.41 | ljp_work | I'm not much of a gamer |
| 23:38.48 | *** topic/#openembedded by AndyQ -> OpenEmbedded - Where bots are abused 'round the clock | please don't ask kergoth about sd/mmc support | Women are hyperthreaded. |
| 23:38.53 | AndyQ | damn xchat! |
| 23:38.58 | ljp_work | my favorite game is Tempest |
| 23:38.58 | AndyQ | you haven't lived! |
| 23:38.59 | kergoth | my bro was playing Doom when he was 4 |
| 23:39.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:39.02 | noda | Hehehe |
| 23:39.05 | kergoth | wonder how he'll turn out |
| 23:39.09 | troffasky | AndyQ: yeah that's it, blame the software |
| 23:39.15 | kergoth | my brother is a sociological experiment |
| 23:39.16 | AndyQ | probably pretty well balenced |
| 23:39.17 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:39.24 | ljp_work | he'll be a good Army brat |
| 23:39.29 | kergoth | he knows whats real and what isnt, so its all good |
| 23:39.39 | ljp_work | uh huh, thats what they all say |
| 23:39.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:39.48 | kergoth | hey, i havnet killed anyone yet |
| 23:39.56 | AndyQ | nah - I played doom, doom2 etc and don't have a violent streak in me at all (except multiplayer but that doesn't count :) |
| 23:40.04 | kergoth | doom rocked |
| 23:40.07 | ljp_work | you know you can log FAA flight time on flight simulators? |
| 23:40.08 | kergoth | it had the best playability |
| 23:40.20 | kergoth | I wonder how doom 3'll turn out |
| 23:40.43 | ljp_work | opie tictac is my fav game :D |
| 23:40.44 | kergoth | i mean what other game as a gun named the Big Fucking Gun? |
| 23:40.45 | AndyQ | I got into multiplayer from doom2 (played it across a lan over in the States - this is before lans were de rigour) |
| 23:40.46 | kergoth | seriously |
| 23:40.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:41.01 | kergoth | I played doom multiplayer over serial :) |
| 23:41.06 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 23:41.18 | kergoth | i remember the first time playing it too, we played for 14 hours straight |
| 23:41.18 | troffasky | how about KFouleggs for opie... |
| 23:41.40 | kergoth | I remember the first time I saw wolf3d |
| 23:41.42 | AndyQ | I still remember the first time playing doom across the net (in the days Compuserve was THE big thing) |
| 23:41.43 | kergoth | talk about jawdropping |
| 23:41.44 | ljp_work | nice of Trolltech to provide QT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE |
| 23:41.46 | AndyQ | that rocked soo much |
| 23:41.55 | kergoth | My dad always got motion sickness from wolf3d |
| 23:41.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:42.06 | AndyQ | lol |
| 23:42.16 | ljp_work | hmm, should I go home now? or later? |
| 23:42.17 | kergoth | dad: "ughh i gotta go lay down" |
| 23:42.22 | kergoth | me: "woot! now i can play more" |
| 23:42.23 | ljp_work | ha |
| 23:42.25 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:42.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:42.26 | AndyQ | :) |
| 23:42.30 | treke | hehe |
| 23:42.42 | MSpin | awww...little kergoth said woot back then... |
| 23:42.47 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:42.49 | kergoth | you get the point :) |
| 23:42.58 | kergoth | aha, what an image |
| 23:43.00 | kergoth | lil kid sayin woot |
| 23:43.19 | MSpin | kergoth: the point? you had *no* chance at a normal life? |
| 23:43.24 | AndyQ | hehe - too many kids are doing it now :) |
| 23:43.31 | kergoth | MSpin: nono, the other point ;) |
| 23:43.34 | ljp_work | best thing about being the boss.. going home whenever you want.. |
| 23:43.37 | ljp_work | bye |
| 23:53.49 | kergoth | ibot: botmail for noda: Adding 'target' selection to the download page should be a priority when you get a chance, support for other devices will be in actual releases soon. |
| 23:56.46 | ljp_ | ahhhh |
| 23:56.49 | ljp_ | home |
| 23:57.54 | Neo|Work | ibot: botmail from ulyx you suck |
| 23:58.04 | Neo|Work | ibot: botmail for ulyx you suck |
| 23:58.06 | Neo|Work | oops. :P |
| 23:58.10 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 23:58.31 | AndyQ | lol |
| 23:58.56 | *** join/#openembedded angry (~angry@ool-4356628d.dyn.optonline.net) |
