| 00:00.19 | Neo|Work | copying appearance is possible but extremely hard, copying behavior is not |
| 00:00.26 | chouimat | Neo|Work: and that implies that her boss (sd-6) knew everything since the beginning |
| 00:01.40 | Neo|Work | or for quite some time at least |
| 00:02.09 | Neo|Work | it's an unlikely chain of events |
| 00:02.17 | Neo|Work | however that is less important. :P |
| 00:02.17 | chouimat | Neo|Work: now the question is : her mother is involved or not in that? |
| 00:02.29 | Neo|Work | guess we'll eventually know that |
| 00:02.38 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I know the important is now they can be toghether |
| 00:02.56 | Neo|Work | and how the story continues in general, now that the alliance is gone |
| 00:03.22 | chouimat | Neo|Work: we will see, it's like the new season of 24 |
| 00:03.33 | Neo|Work | and one weird thing - why didn't they change codes when their server airplane went down? that seems like an amazing slip |
| 00:03.44 | Neo|Work | 24 I haven't watched more than a few episodes |
| 00:03.59 | chouimat | Neo|Work: I know |
| 00:04.19 | Neo|Work | never the less, illogical or unlikely, I like the result. :P |
| 00:04.21 | Neo|Work | I think |
| 00:09.27 | chouimat | Neo|Work: we will see soon enough what pahse 2 is |
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| 00:32.50 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, i need an email black hole |
| 00:33.00 | TheMasterMind1 | where should i make all these spam email address forward to |
| 00:33.26 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.27 | kergoth | :D |
| 00:34.23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:34.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't send an email to /dev/null though |
| 00:34.33 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess hotmail will do for now |
| 00:34.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:34.43 | kergoth | spamassassin man |
| 00:34.47 | kergoth | use it, love it |
| 00:34.47 | TheMasterMind1 | zoneedit lets me forward specific email addresses to other places |
| 00:34.53 | TheMasterMind1 | don't have my own mailserver |
| 00:35.00 | TheMasterMind1 | too lazy to set one up :) |
| 00:35.08 | kergoth | ahh gotcha |
| 00:35.17 | kergoth | i dont trust myself to keep the uptime i need in a mailserver |
| 00:35.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:35.22 | TheMasterMind1 | same |
| 00:35.36 | TheMasterMind1 | zoneedit is good enough for me, forwards *@themastermind1.net to my email |
| 00:46.40 | mickeyl | kergoth: i just built the whole bunch of python packages with the current buildroot. wanna copy my packages to the testing feed? I'd really like to get a broader audience and more feedback for these packages... |
| 00:47.20 | kergoth | mickeyl: the python packages arent there now? i thought i updated unstable |
| 00:47.41 | mickeyl | hmm... when? i did some compilation fixes yesterday... *checking* |
| 00:47.52 | kergoth | dont recall.. check the datestamp |
| 00:47.56 | kergoth | its unstable, not testing |
| 00:48.06 | kergoth | testing will see it when i release rc3 .. probably in a few days |
| 00:48.31 | mickeyl | no python packages. neither in unstable nor in testing |
| 00:48.54 | kergoth | hmm, odd |
| 00:49.02 | kergoth | I'll wipe and rebuild to update unstable tonight then |
| 00:49.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: great. |
| 00:49.26 | mickeyl | . /me --> bed |
| 00:49.28 | mickeyl | night all |
| 00:49.29 | kergoth | okay, night |
| 00:57.54 | Neo|Work | I have this port I have an agreement on - only that I after X months still have no source. :( |
| 00:58.23 | Neo|Work | my contact person is like the publisher rather than developer and the developer seems to be about as responsive/speedy as well, a dead snail |
| 01:03.43 | chouimat|away | Neo|Work: do you have garlic butter? |
| 01:04.32 | ljp_ | it helps to put pizza on the pan _before_ sticking the pan into the oven |
| 01:04.49 | chouimat|away | ljp_: yup |
| 01:05.11 | ljp_ | damn it, now I have to wait for the pizza to warm up |
| 01:12.43 | sm | I want pizza |
| 01:14.09 | treke | Neo|Work: maybe you should move on to HDB :) |
| 01:29.47 | chouimat|away | treke: http://www.svensearch.com/cat/groups/alt.binaries.e-book.fantasy.html <---- good site |
| 01:30.58 | ljp_ | mmmmmmmmmmm pizza |
| 01:31.04 | treke | ljp_: bastard |
| 01:31.09 | ljp_ | :) |
| 01:32.23 | Neo|Work | treke: yeah, and I also have two other things |
| 01:32.30 | Neo|Work | just got the source for another game the other day |
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| 01:35.11 | Neo|Work | <ljp_> now I'll get a job at RNWK for sure! :-) |
| 01:35.27 | ljp_ | hmm why so? |
| 01:37.31 | ljp_ | ahhhh pizza and rum.. |
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| 02:57.26 | ljp_ | hmm quiet tonight |
| 02:59.29 | chouimat|bored | so beautiful green eyes |
| 02:59.50 | effy-kun | hey Kergoth |
| 03:01.11 | ljp_ | you always watch chicks on tv |
| 03:01.59 | effy-kun | haha |
| 03:02.11 | chouimat|bored | ljp_: nudie bar are too expensive here |
| 03:03.27 | effy-kun | TV is free, isnt it ;) |
| 03:03.52 | ljp_ | not cable tv |
| 03:22.22 | ljp_ | blah |
| 03:23.14 | chouimat|tv | ulyx: lart ljp |
| 03:23.26 | ljp_ | blah blah blah |
| 03:26.51 | effy-kun | kergoth: wtf is that? hehe |
| 03:28.26 | treke|home | german |
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| 03:32.57 | chouimat|tv | ulyx: lart ljp |
| 03:33.07 | treke|laptop | ulyx, praise chouimat|tv |
| 03:33.17 | treke|laptop | what the hell does that mean anyways |
| 03:34.22 | ljp_ | armed manic depressives would most likely kill themselves |
| 03:35.01 | chouimat|tv | treke|laptop: that mean: Hi <name> those that would die , are saluting you. |
| 03:35.21 | treke|laptop | well thanky you ulyx |
| 03:35.34 | treke|laptop | latin? |
| 03:35.39 | chouimat|tv | treke|home: yes |
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| 03:36.05 | noda | Moo! |
| 03:36.07 | ljp_ | cats walk funny |
| 03:36.18 | chouimat|tv | ave noda, morituri te salutante |
| 03:36.27 | treke|laptop | ibot kill chouimat|tv |
| 03:36.27 | | treke|laptop: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:36.36 | treke|laptop | what the fuck? |
| 03:36.38 | chouimat|tv | lol |
| 03:36.53 | treke|laptop | brb. flashing |
| 03:36.57 | chouimat|tv | ibot: kill kergoth |
| 03:36.58 | | ACTION smashes kergoth's head in a fridge, then shoves a large sword us his arse |
| 03:37.34 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 03:37.35 | noda | ibot: kill me |
| 03:37.39 | | ACTION rm -rf's PicoGUI |
| 03:37.49 | effy-kun | treke: I realize it may be German. Just wondering what it is indicating though ;) |
| 03:38.10 | ljp_ | ibot forget kill me |
| 03:38.10 | | i forgot kill me, ljp_ |
| 03:38.32 | noda | ibot: kill me |
| 03:38.32 | | noda: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:40.49 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 03:41.27 | ljp_ | quit distracting me! |
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| 03:48.33 | ljp_ | damn cat |
| 03:48.45 | kenb | cats rock |
| 03:49.09 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: stop hurting your cat or I send you some animal right activists |
| 03:49.10 | ljp_ | I know. this one like to sit on my monitor and block it with her paws |
| 03:49.39 | ljp_ | or play 'try to dig out the cursor' |
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| 03:51.43 | kenb | mine are (finally) napping |
| 03:56.41 | ljp_ | I dont think she gets that she will never get the cursor |
| 03:57.19 | treke|la1top | hehe |
| 03:58.51 | ljp_ | she just lays on top, with her front arms draped over the screen |
| 04:00.58 | chouimat|tv | ljp_: mine to does that. |
| 04:01.00 | kenb | sleep for me. damn real job keeping me busy ;( |
| 04:01.42 | kergoth | kenb: glib 2.2.0 is in the buildsystem, feel free to add linphone (though obviously we're waiting the guy to port it to opie) |
| 04:01.54 | kenb | kergoth: thanks. maybe tomorrow... |
| 04:02.21 | kenb | sometimes having a real job sucks :) |
| 04:02.22 | kergoth | heh, glib was a nightmare. i had to add it to the buildsystem twice, once for x86, once for arm |
| 04:02.26 | kergoth | true that |
| 04:02.29 | kergoth | mine was boring as hell today |
| 04:03.39 | kenb | I'd have enjoyed that |
| 04:03.52 | kenb | instead, perl + db2 + html + rsync |
| 04:04.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:04.07 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 04:04.14 | kenb | yes. |
| 04:04.16 | chouimat|bored | kenb: ipfw is driving me crazy for two weeks |
| 04:04.21 | kenb | and debugging molecular modelling apps too |
| 04:04.50 | kenb | I swear, I'm a software developer instead of a network admin. |
| 04:04.57 | kenb | ipfw on what? oBSD? |
| 04:05.10 | treke|la1top | kergoth: isnt autoconf supposed doing this sort of thing easier? :) |
| 04:05.14 | chouimat|bored | kenb: freebsd |
| 04:05.28 | kergoth | treke|la1top: hah |
| 04:05.47 | treke|la1top | kergoth: I could have sworn that was pretty much it's purpose in life |
| 04:06.18 | kergoth | treke|la1top: nah, it wasnt designed to handle crosscompilation sanely |
| 04:06.27 | kergoth | its obvious that crosscompilation was an afterthought |
| 04:06.33 | kergoth | not a part of the design |
| 04:06.44 | treke|la1top | well thats stupid of them :) |
| 04:07.04 | kergoth | yea no shit |
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| 04:09.07 | kergoth | treke|la1top: you know, the damn patch had no attachment :) |
| 04:09.29 | treke|la1top | I realized that as I hit send and sent you the attactment |
| 04:09.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:09.50 | treke|la1top | oh wait no, I mailed the attachment to kergoth@localhost :) |
| 04:09.55 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:10.00 | ljp_ | oh man, alsa api is mucho better than oss |
| 04:10.33 | kergoth | yup |
| 04:10.34 | kergoth | much |
| 04:10.53 | treke|la1top | doesnt the oss api boil down to read(2), write(2), and ioctl(2) |
| 04:11.01 | ljp_ | I havent worked with it much cause I was waiting till it stablized |
| 04:11.09 | treke|la1top | doesnt take a whole lot to beat that |
| 04:11.22 | kergoth | well, its a character device |
| 04:11.27 | kergoth | thats about all you can do |
| 04:11.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:11.36 | kergoth | brb, goin to the store |
| 04:11.39 | treke|la1top | fuck |
| 04:11.53 | kergoth | haha |
| 04:11.55 | kergoth | you forgot it again? |
| 04:12.00 | treke|la1top | shut up |
| 04:12.04 | kergoth | okay i'm gone. brb |
| 04:14.58 | chouimat|bored | sorry I will past some lines |
| 04:15.02 | chouimat|bored | Hello, we hope that you're having a great day today, and that you can take a quick moment out of your day to learn some useful facts on what people close to you may be doing online without your knowledge. If you are a responsible parent, or are in a serious relationship with someone that has online access, then you should know these 5 important facts about what people do on the Internet: |
| 04:15.03 | chouimat|bored | Fact #1: |
| 04:15.04 | chouimat|bored | *38% of all people that are either married, or in long term relationships, use the Internet as an avenue to cheat on their lovers by way of cyber sex! And 50% of these people have had phone contact, or actual physical contact with the people they have had cyber sex with! |
| 04:15.10 | chouimat|bored | Fact #2 |
| 04:15.14 | chouimat|bored | *21% of all men, married or not, who have an Internet connection spend 30% of their time online looking at porn! |
| 04:15.19 | chouimat|bored | Fact #3 |
| 04:15.23 | chouimat|bored | *It is reported that 41% of all children aged 11 - 17 who have an Internet connection surf for porn sites at some time during their online session! |
| 04:15.28 | chouimat|bored | Fact #4 |
| 04:15.32 | chouimat|bored | *There are only a few downloadable software products that allow you to monitor what others do on your family computer. These softwares allow you to read what others do online, from what they write in email conversations, to what sites they have visited. They even monitor what they type on instant messengers, and in chat rooms! |
| 04:16.05 | ljp_ | :) |
| 04:16.25 | chouimat|bored | ulyx: lart treke|la1top |
| 04:16.42 | treke|la1top | come to think of it, I dont really want to know what chouimat|bored (or his cat ) is looking at online |
| 04:17.05 | chouimat|bored | treke|la1top: me too I don't want you to know :) |
| 04:31.51 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:32.37 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 04:42.01 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:42.03 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:42.06 | treke|la1top | hehe |
| 04:42.28 | treke|la1top | my goal is to be able to get my nightly reading done in oz instead of familiar |
| 04:42.38 | treke|la1top | since installing familiar is a fricken pain |
| 04:43.00 | treke|la1top | I just wish I could figure out what was causing "jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00bbb624: 0x0928 id" |
| 04:43.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:43.17 | treke|la1top | and |
| 04:43.18 | treke|la1top | CLEANMARKER node found at 0x00820000, not first node in block (0x00800000) |
| 04:43.22 | treke|la1top | jffs2_scan_empty(): Empty block at 0x0085fffc ends at 0x00860000 (with 0x200319y |
| 04:43.31 | kergoth | are you having mkfs.jffs2 pad the image at all? |
| 04:43.37 | treke|la1top | no I'm not |
| 04:43.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:44.06 | treke|la1top | Since familiar didnt seem to require it, figured I'd save load time |
| 04:44.09 | kergoth | i was going to say, mkfs.jffs2 when it pads, it puts cleanmarkers on the erased blocks in the padding |
| 04:44.14 | kergoth | yeah, makes sense |
| 04:52.04 | treke|la1top | hmm you are using pcnet_cs for linksys? |
| 04:53.04 | kergoth | linksys wifi? |
| 04:53.10 | kergoth | pcnet_cs is an ethernet card driver |
| 04:53.14 | treke|la1top | hmmm |
| 04:53.16 | kergoth | we're using HostAP for prism2/2.5/3 cards |
| 04:53.25 | kergoth | and orinoco for the socket/symbol low power cards |
| 04:53.37 | kergoth | or rather, orinoco + spectrum_cs + monitor patch + scanning patch + etc |
| 04:56.18 | kergoth | treke|la1top: i already split out the orinoco stuff, which was in the kernel sources prevoiusly |
| 04:56.30 | treke|la1top | yeah It's still in the ipaq source |
| 04:56.31 | kergoth | treke|la1top: I disagree with familiar's method of incorporating fucking every driver and its mother into the kernel tree |
| 04:56.35 | kergoth | right |
| 04:56.39 | kergoth | fuck that, OE is too flexible for that |
| 04:56.49 | kergoth | i want any generally useful modules to be usable against any kernel you build |
| 04:56.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:57.01 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: any news about something today? |
| 04:57.04 | treke|la1top | chehe works for me |
| 04:57.34 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: effy is probably going to be assisting to translate pieces of locomo doc so I can port the ipaq mmc driver |
| 04:58.02 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: coment it very well I may need that piece of code in ntebsd |
| 04:58.07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:58.25 | chouimat|Zzzz | or I will send the paperwork |
| 04:58.35 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: yeah, i'll talk to spencer and jason |
| 04:58.45 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: see if its cool that you get it under NDA for netbsd port |
| 04:58.59 | kenb | woohoo |
| 04:59.00 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: any news about them? |
| 04:59.14 | chouimat|Zzzz | kenb: ? |
| 04:59.16 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:59.23 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.23 | kenb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.42 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: only piece? |
| 04:59.44 | kergoth | yeah, then we can at least get 2.4.19 out so people can test the hell out of it |
| 04:59.47 | kenb | actually.. that won't buy us SD will it... ? |
| 04:59.50 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: dunno, ask him :) |
| 04:59.55 | kergoth | kenb: nope, thats a whole nother ballgame |
| 04:59.59 | kenb | crap. |
| 05:00.05 | kenb | So I won't be upgrading then |
| 05:00.20 | kergoth | but this will give me something so i can release it alongside the current one so people can pound on our new drivers while I look into sd |
| 05:00.29 | chouimat|Zzzz | kenb: you can loan openembedded 1000$/yr so we can have that |
| 05:00.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:00.57 | treke|la1top | 1k per year? |
| 05:01.05 | kenb | If I know an SD driver will appear, I'll kick my $100 in |
| 05:01.07 | chouimat|Zzzz | + NDA |
| 05:01.30 | kergoth | we'll see. |
| 05:01.43 | kergoth | after 3.1 releases I'll look over our options and decide what needs doing, and do it. |
| 05:01.46 | chouimat|Zzzz | all that for a crappy technology |
| 05:01.50 | kergoth | Until then I've got user space issues and bugfixes to deal with |
| 05:02.00 | treke|la1top | I'd kick in mine also, but a having to pay yearly is a bit discouraging |
| 05:02.03 | kergoth | treke|la1top: license cost to get the sd specs under nda |
| 05:02.06 | kergoth | well |
| 05:02.08 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: ETA for 3.1 |
| 05:02.22 | kergoth | we could pay once, write the driver, then stop paying, and lose the source but have a binary that'll last a bit longer |
| 05:02.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:03.00 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: depends. I want rc3 out within say.. 5 days or a week or so |
| 05:03.10 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: final depends on how solid rc3 is looking after that release |
| 05:03.19 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: we can also write the driver in such way that we don't need to recompile the sd support for every kernel |
| 05:03.50 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: no access to a global array :) |
| 05:03.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:04.00 | kergoth | thats what i mean |
| 05:04.06 | kergoth | do it sanely |
| 05:04.26 | kenb | Is the Specs the only thing that's needed? |
| 05:04.29 | kergoth | keep the block device request handler in a GPL portion of the driver, it neednt do any real hardware access or card init or anything |
| 05:04.45 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: exactly |
| 05:05.02 | kenb | Wouldn't you need info from Sharp about the controller? |
| 05:05.04 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: actually, we could abstract card init out of the ipaq mmc driver |
| 05:05.14 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: and just plug in a sd card init module into the existing mmc driver |
| 05:05.19 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: heheh |
| 05:05.26 | kergoth | kenb: the locomo doc gives me just that. |
| 05:05.29 | kergoth | kenb: :) |
| 05:05.52 | kenb | ah |
| 05:05.59 | kenb | if you get the MMC stuff done.. |
| 05:06.00 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: that too but if the kernel internal change we are legally at the same point once we stop the subscription |
| 05:06.11 | kergoth | right |
| 05:06.12 | kenb | then us canadians could possibly rev.eng the SD Bits |
| 05:06.15 | kergoth | then we'd get another subscription |
| 05:06.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:06.23 | kergoth | and keep doing that only buying it when we have ot |
| 05:06.36 | treke|la1top | kergoth: Question is whether they'd approve a second subscription after you cancel :) |
| 05:06.39 | kenb | it would be alot simpler since we'd only need the SD bits |
| 05:07.01 | kergoth | treke|la1top: good point :) |
| 05:07.05 | chouimat|Zzzz | kenb: why reverse we keep the code here in canada, for our "personal use" |
| 05:07.05 | kenb | Did anyone email sdcard consortium about getting a free license? |
| 05:07.32 | TheMasterMind1 | are you volunteering? |
| 05:07.52 | chouimat|Zzzz | TheMasterMind1: give me all the doc |
| 05:08.00 | TheMasterMind1 | not you |
| 05:08.10 | TheMasterMind1 | kenb: send em a request for a free license |
| 05:08.13 | kergoth | kenb: I was going to, but havent had a chance. |
| 05:08.25 | kenb | TheMasterMind1: I'm just wondering if someone else had done it yet |
| 05:08.31 | kergoth | kenb: jason gave me the contact info for the CEO, so its on the todo |
| 05:08.34 | kergoth | jsut been busy as hell |
| 05:08.35 | kenb | cause having many people email them isn't good |
| 05:09.16 | chouimat|Zzzz | kenb: maybe that worth trying ... |
| 05:09.27 | kergoth | Yes, I'll email them. |
| 05:10.39 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: maybe we can also write the sd bits in such way we can use the same code base for all os that would need that |
| 05:10.55 | kenb | that's possible... |
| 05:11.10 | kergoth | indeed |
| 05:11.34 | kergoth | keep it largely self contained, calling out other portions of the gpl side of the driver, no direct kernel calls |
| 05:12.02 | kenb | or just abstract the io calls |
| 05:12.11 | kenb | so the logic is in sd.o |
| 05:12.18 | kergoth | right, exactly |
| 05:12.25 | kergoth | abstract everything but the logic out |
| 05:12.27 | kenb | and we have locomo.o |
| 05:12.36 | kenb | or whatever the chipset is called |
| 05:12.45 | chouimat|Zzzz | yup |
| 05:13.14 | kenb | did sharp release 2.4.18 or whatever yet? |
| 05:13.27 | kergoth | the b500/5600/c700 sources? nope |
| 05:13.31 | kenb | crap |
| 05:13.32 | chouimat|Zzzz | kenb: didn't see |
| 05:13.41 | kenb | Was also thinking.. there's an SD driver in there |
| 05:13.44 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: what is the b500? |
| 05:13.50 | kenb | need Xscale decompilier... but... |
| 05:13.51 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzz: japanese version of hte 5600 |
| 05:14.06 | kergoth | kenb: that sd driver will be using the mmc controller on the xscale |
| 05:14.09 | kergoth | kenb: wont help us much |
| 05:14.11 | kenb | decompile it, and compare with 2.4.6's sdmmc driver |
| 05:14.19 | kenb | we'd get the logic |
| 05:14.40 | TheMasterMind1 | we have that pdf that tells us exactly how to initialize sd and sdio via the mmc controller in the xscale |
| 05:14.45 | TheMasterMind1 | even has example C code |
| 05:14.49 | kenb | really? |
| 05:14.49 | kergoth | well, we can get the logic by analyzing this driver alone, or a good idea of it, but yeah that'd confirm our suspicions |
| 05:14.52 | kenb | hm |
| 05:14.59 | TheMasterMind1 | but it doesn't help us much with the sa1100 |
| 05:15.10 | kenb | that would make life simpler writing an SD logic driver |
| 05:15.22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:15.24 | kenb | TheMasterMind1: where is that pdf? |
| 05:15.24 | kergoth | i need to read that doc |
| 05:15.38 | kergoth | if that outlines the card init, then the information is publically available |
| 05:15.39 | kenb | well, more importantly... where is that code ;) |
| 05:15.44 | kenb | yup |
| 05:15.52 | kergoth | and if the info is publically available, their hiding it isnt exactly much of an access control anymore |
| 05:15.54 | kenb | and I'll get bet the syscalls are nearly identical. |
| 05:15.58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:16.30 | treke|la1top | kergoth: oe is really making me wonder how long redhat takes to build :) |
| 05:16.46 | kenb | treke: like 24 hours on a nice dual P4 |
| 05:17.00 | kergoth | treke|la1top: hehe. as pb said earlier, debian unstable's dynamic, changing nature, is enough to keep 3 full time autobuilders for arm consistently running |
| 05:17.04 | kergoth | treke|la1top: so that gives you an idea |
| 05:17.34 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: check email |
| 05:17.59 | kergoth | k |
| 05:18.29 | TheMasterMind1 | kenb: look on the oz news page |
| 05:19.16 | kenb | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 05:19.24 | TheMasterMind1 | www.openzaurus.org |
| 05:19.27 | kergoth | kenb: the link to the pdf is on the news page |
| 05:19.36 | TheMasterMind1 | its linked to in one of the news items i posted a couple weeks ago |
| 05:19.53 | kenb | ah |
| 05:19.57 | kenb | i see now |
| 05:20.40 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: appendice A is what you want |
| 05:21.57 | treke|la1top | hmmm0~ |
| 05:22.15 | treke|la1top | I wonder why make image isnt getting the zImage symlink |
| 05:22.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | ok I'm off |
| 05:22.30 | chouimat|Zzzz | good night |
| 05:22.36 | kergoth | night chouimat|Zzzz |
| 05:23.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | kergoth: will go listen to Ayreon - Into the Electric Castle just to change my mind, don't want to think asm or anything computer related tonight |
| 05:23.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:23.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | laterz |
| 05:24.18 | kenb | sleep for me too |
| 05:24.50 | kergoth | hm, im going to watch some tv and then sleep as well |
| 05:24.51 | kergoth | night |
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| 05:50.13 | armenb | hi |
| 05:50.56 | TheMasterMind1 | hi. |
| 05:51.02 | armenb | any openzaurus representatives here? |
| 05:51.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 05:51.10 | armenb | the download page is broken. |
| 05:51.13 | TheMasterMind1 | oh dear |
| 05:51.26 | armenb | can you suggest an ftp or http mirror? |
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| 05:51.51 | TheMasterMind1 | armenb: whats broekn about it, looks fine to me.. |
| 05:51.59 | armenb | i click a link |
| 05:52.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`zzz: YOU NAMED 3.1RC2 "BLEH" ?! |
| 05:52.06 | armenb | and i get a "File not specified" error |
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| 05:52.30 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?mirror_id=2 |
| 05:52.51 | TheMasterMind1 | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?mirror_id=2&release_id=4 |
| 05:52.52 | TheMasterMind1 | on there? |
| 05:53.21 | armenb | hmm, it works in a different browser |
| 05:53.28 | armenb | odd |
| 05:55.20 | armenb | i have a question about the kernel used in any case. |
| 05:55.50 | armenb | I'm currently using some variation of 2.4.6 made for embedded linux. |
| 05:56.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ok. |
| 05:56.06 | armenb | is there a more recent version of this kernel available? |
| 05:56.14 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, its right there on that download page |
| 05:56.17 | armenb | such as 2.4.18+? |
| 05:56.20 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 05:56.23 | TheMasterMind1 | .6 is the latest |
| 05:56.33 | armenb | oh. |
| 05:56.35 | TheMasterMind1 | read the news page for the status updates on .19 on the Zaurus |
| 05:56.42 | TheMasterMind1 | we're working on it |
| 05:57.11 | armenb | cool. |
| 05:57.18 | TheMasterMind1 | the zImage's that are on the download page are still .6, but have many patches that make them better |
| 05:57.22 | armenb | i look forward to it, cause 2.4.6 is a couple years old |
| 05:57.22 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway, night, have fun |
| 05:57.36 | armenb | what patches by the way? |
| 05:57.43 | TheMasterMind1 | read news page and changelot |
| 05:57.46 | TheMasterMind1 | changelog |
| 05:57.47 | TheMasterMind1 | its all ther |
| 05:57.51 | armenb | oh. ok. |
| 05:58.54 | armenb | oh, stupid question, but SD cards are supported in openzaurus, right? |
| 06:00.00 | armenb | i hope its not stupid enough not to reply too |
| 06:00.09 | armenb | er, to |
| 06:01.22 | armenb | if it doesn't work, that should really be put on the openzaurus "disadvantage" page |
| 06:02.11 | armenb | i have a 256MB sd card, i really want to use it, since my cf is taken by a wireless card :) |
| 06:27.43 | chouimat|Zzzz | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 06:28.26 | treke|home | night |
| 06:28.34 | chouimat|Zzzz | treke|home: night |
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| 09:49.44 | carsten | hi effy |
| 09:49.50 | carsten | succeeded? |
| 09:50.53 | effy | hey there |
| 09:51.07 | effy | no, I just got home, so I'm eating and getting ready to hack at it again ;) |
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| 10:34.27 | effy | ok, here we go ;) |
| 12:15.46 | effy | why is making a pushbutton change a label so much of a pain? |
| 12:16.39 | effy | I'm not sure I understand this emit stuff well heh |
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| 14:54.59 | icefox | REAL MEN parse the raw html in their heads and just imagine what the pictures are from the tags. |
| 14:55.02 | icefox | :-D |
| 14:55.12 | icefox | Morning |
| 14:58.39 | chouimat|Zzzz | ulyx: lart icefox |
| 14:58.52 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:15.56 | ciaolinux | morning |
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| 16:08.33 | sebd | hello |
| 16:08.44 | sebd | I'm looking for a way to exclude all files in one directory from being listed in the "Document" tab. |
| 16:09.17 | sebd | (that's my local package feed on my cf card) |
| 16:10.08 | andersee | sebd: remove the battery. The should do it rather efficiently |
| 16:11.56 | sebd | andersee: mmmm I'm not sure you got me |
| 16:13.12 | andersee | I was joking |
| 16:13.33 | sebd | andersee: :) |
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| 16:22.12 | icefox | Someone running kde3.1 here? |
| 16:22.19 | chouimat | icefox: HEAD |
| 16:22.32 | icefox | Can you tell me if konq renders: http://kaylee.meyerhome.net:81/~ben/ben/ |
| 16:22.43 | carsten | icefox: here (uni) 2.2, privat 3.1 |
| 16:22.50 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:22.55 | icefox | Morning kergoth |
| 16:23.23 | chouimat | icefox: first arctile a lot of lines printed over each other |
| 16:23.41 | icefox | even after a refresh? |
| 16:24.06 | chouimat | icefox: yup, same as yesterday |
| 16:24.10 | icefox | ok, thanks. |
| 16:24.24 | icefox | At least Moz renders it fine now |
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| 16:25.14 | Harlekin | hi *@Ö |
| 16:25.21 | Harlekin | ibot: seen microdim |
| 16:25.22 | | microdim <~amd@adsl-64-169-116-197.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 15d 20h 51m 58s ago, saying: 'what is the diff between "konq - snapshot" and "konq - snapshot - full"'. |
| 16:26.47 | kergoth | 15 days .. looks like the new icons will be a while eh? |
| 16:34.28 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 16:37.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 16:37.31 | noda | Moo! |
| 16:37.44 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 16:37.57 | noda | Just realized I never properly set up my web server :P |
| 16:38.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:38.31 | noda | So now I gotta untar my entire backup of my /home directory, and get the www data from it :) |
| 16:39.21 | noda | Oh, and I'm just about fed up with Mozilla's mail client, it sometimes disconnects from IMAP and then says it's done stuff (i.e., mark a message as read or delete it) and it actually hasn't done the stuff... |
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| 16:41.32 | noda | Bah, and balsa doesn't handle imap usernames properly (my username's got an @ in it...) |
| 16:42.46 | chouimat | ulyx: praise noda |
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| 16:43.38 | AndyQ | hey |
| 16:43.45 | kergoth | hey andy |
| 16:44.10 | noda | AndyQ: Moo |
| 16:44.37 | chouimat | ulyx: praise AndyQ |
| 16:44.51 | AndyQ | counting down the hours now till i'm on the slopes - enthusiasm is high - temperatues cold (-32C with windchill) |
| 16:44.55 | AndyQ | but tons of snow :) |
| 16:45.00 | AndyQ | woooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh! |
| 16:45.35 | AndyQ | and even better - I've got two player network support in Pong3D! |
| 16:45.35 | chouimat | hmm folger coffee (1KG) -- 3.47$, me thinks going buy some of them |
| 16:45.55 | AndyQ | pretty basic and needs work but I was playing it all afternoon in the office |
| 16:47.03 | chouimat | AndyQ: tsk! you play at work? |
| 16:47.33 | AndyQ | chouimat: I did today - had nothing to do at all and no-one would give me anything coz I'm out for a week |
| 16:48.01 | chouimat | AndyQ: hehe |
| 16:48.45 | AndyQ | sounds fun but boring as hell! |
| 16:48.55 | chouimat | AndyQ: I know |
| 16:48.56 | AndyQ | I hate having no work to do |
| 16:49.22 | kergoth | treke: finally pulled the ipaq kernel into bk.. now to tweak it by disabling prism2, orinoco, and spectrum |
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| 16:49.56 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 16:50.13 | Dessimat0r | lo AndyQ |
| 16:50.38 | AndyQ | hey Dessimat0r |
| 16:50.55 | AndyQ | Dessimat0r: Pong3D has basic multiplayer network support! (TCP/IP) |
| 16:51.47 | Dessimat0r | w00t :D |
| 16:51.48 | mark | AndyQ: pong3d? |
| 16:52.17 | AndyQ | yup - my newest game - currently in beta but will be released after I come back from the slopes (assuming I'm in one piece still :) |
| 16:52.56 | mark | AndyQ: heh, okay. gotta screeny? |
| 16:53.29 | AndyQ | mark - not yet - I'll grab one and put it up on my site (although probably in a weeks time) |
| 16:53.50 | AndyQ | soooo much to do |
| 16:53.58 | mark | heh, ok |
| 16:54.47 | Harlekin | whois Twiun[away] |
| 16:54.56 | treke | kergoth: Theres plenty of room for tweaking |
| 16:54.59 | kergoth | ibot: seen Twiun |
| 16:54.59 | | twiun <~twiun@adorphuye.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 23h 16m 39s ago, saying: 'or read the logs :)'. |
| 16:55.10 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 16:55.15 | Harlekin | hey treke |
| 16:55.36 | treke | kergoth: Found last night that a bunch of stuff was missing from that kernel :) |
| 16:55.58 | treke | like the hostap driver |
| 16:56.10 | kergoth | well, hostap is a seperate package |
| 16:56.17 | kergoth | ipaq kernel includes 'prism2', which is a renamed hostap |
| 16:56.23 | kergoth | hostap used to be called prism2 early last year |
| 16:56.25 | kergoth | then they renamed it |
| 16:56.44 | treke | kergoth: The modules themselves are hostap_cs now, it's the package that wasnt renamed |
| 16:57.04 | kergoth | ah they finally fixed that eh |
| 16:57.05 | kergoth | good |
| 16:57.35 | treke | kergoth: when you build the jffs2 image, do broken symlinks get tossed out? |
| 16:57.53 | kergoth | should not |
| 16:57.59 | kergoth | unless mkfs.jffs2 does so, but i dont believe it does |
| 16:58.37 | kergoth | treke: use jffs2reader after building the image |
| 16:58.43 | kergoth | treke: you can see the contents of the image from the desktop |
| 16:58.47 | kergoth | build/mtd/util/jffs2reader |
| 16:59.00 | treke | ooh cool that will save some time :) |
| 16:59.11 | kergoth | or you can loopback mount it |
| 16:59.11 | treke | last time I mounted a jffs2 image locally it was a pita |
| 16:59.14 | kergoth | by using mtdram |
| 16:59.27 | treke | yeah done that before |
| 16:59.28 | kergoth | yeah, you create the mtd ramdisk, then dd the image onto it, then mount it |
| 16:59.35 | kergoth | not as easy as -o loop |
| 16:59.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:59.53 | treke | used it to rescue data of a nonbooting ipaq :) |
| 17:25.24 | treke | ha, you have to use a beta version of gzip for ifdown? I didnt even think there was a beta version |
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| 17:34.59 | SoopaT | morning all |
| 17:38.12 | chouimat | kergoth: any news |
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| 17:53.41 | SoopaT | does anyone here know how to build/set up the buildroot to compile oz? |
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| 17:55.22 | treke | SoopaT: read the oz faq |
| 17:56.09 | SoopaT | treke, i did, but it makes little sense to me |
| 17:56.19 | SoopaT | welll i wouldn't go that far |
| 17:56.25 | SoopaT | but it doesn't say the requirements |
| 17:56.39 | SoopaT | of the buildroot |
| 17:57.12 | treke | andand read docs/BUILD |
| 18:02.38 | Dessimat0r | Commander Riker on the bridge! |
| 18:02.58 | mickeyl | SoopaT: OZ buildroot is self-hosting and should run on a standard linux installation |
| 18:05.06 | SoopaT | ok |
| 18:06.49 | SoopaT | mickeyl, yeah but it needs to have certain apps available on the linux distribution |
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| 18:07.40 | mickeyl | SoopaT: sure, but as i've said... pretty standard stuff... awk, sed, perl, make, g++ and a cross-toolchain |
| 18:09.21 | Harlekin | anybody else here willing to do icon matching? |
| 18:10.14 | kergoth | Harlekin: dajoker might be willing, he has messed with crystal + opie before |
| 18:10.30 | Harlekin | ibot: seen dajoker |
| 18:10.31 | | dajoker <~joker@ip68-10-51-20.rn.hr.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 3d 21h 37m 4s ago, saying: ';)'. |
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| 18:16.20 | RealUlli | hi |
| 18:22.01 | treke | hmmm not bad |
| 18:22.18 | Harlekin | ? |
| 18:22.31 | treke | 37 minutes to build oz |
| 18:22.35 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:22.42 | Dessimat0r | on what? |
| 18:22.53 | treke | 2x1.2 ghz Athlon |
| 18:22.59 | kergoth | bastard |
| 18:23.01 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 18:23.08 | Dessimat0r | i ahve an Athlon 2100+ |
| 18:23.10 | treke | Only one instance of make though |
| 18:23.11 | Dessimat0r | *have |
| 18:23.33 | treke | since make -j3 wasnt working :) |
| 18:23.48 | kergoth | treke: we gotta fix that |
| 18:24.05 | kergoth | distcc doesnt exactly help much when you cant even use -j :) |
| 18:24.42 | treke | kergoth: I can see about setting you up with an account on this machine to build |
| 18:25.12 | treke | its abit overpowered for its usage :) |
| 18:25.21 | Dessimat0r | 'a bit' |
| 18:25.26 | kergoth | that'd be helpful |
| 18:25.26 | mickeyl | i found it to be nearly usable if i substitute the $(MAKE) with make in the top-level Makefile and call MAKE='make -j4' make |
| 18:25.35 | kergoth | i need to put together a new box |
| 18:25.50 | treke | Dessimat0r: as in, it runs xmms, aterm, and ssh :) |
| 18:25.56 | treke | and thats about it |
| 18:25.57 | mickeyl | it works if only the make on the deepest recursion is called with -j |
| 18:26.08 | mickeyl | and then it's great. |
| 18:26.13 | kergoth | yeah, its the buildroot's package interdependencies that're hosed |
| 18:26.24 | Dessimat0r | yeah, but 'abit' = ' a bit' ;) Just correcting grammar |
| 18:26.34 | treke | Dessimat0r: oh |
| 18:26.47 | treke | well abit might be true also :) I think its an abit board :p |
| 18:26.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:26.55 | mickeyl | lol |
| 18:26.57 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 18:28.05 | kergoth | mickeyl: what changed in the busybox config? if you added or removed any applets or config options, you should up the revision in teh makefile |
| 18:28.50 | mickeyl | kergoth: forgot that - sorry. i just ran make and answered three questions with the default value, then copied back to def-config |
| 18:29.02 | kergoth | np |
| 18:29.31 | mickeyl | kergoth: it's three things: ARPING, HTTPD and writable fdisk |
| 18:29.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:32.08 | cbok | kg... |
| 18:32.13 | cbok | greetings |
| 18:32.42 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... last bk push of you broke buildroot... $(CC) now is i686-Linux-gcc!? |
| 18:32.55 | mickeyl | instead of arm-linux-gcc |
| 18:32.57 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:32.58 | kergoth | no |
| 18:33.02 | kergoth | thats a bug in the package you're building. |
| 18:33.03 | kergoth | what package? |
| 18:33.06 | mickeyl | kernel :-D |
| 18:33.11 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 18:33.37 | kergoth | well i dunno where its getting i686 from . |
| 18:33.39 | mickeyl | happened to me in a lot of packages... |
| 18:33.42 | kergoth | thats not in the vars.make at all. |
| 18:34.11 | mickeyl | hmm... from a uname anywhere? |
| 18:34.20 | kergoth | buildroot never calls uname |
| 18:34.36 | kergoth | exactly what command is it calling? |
| 18:34.45 | kergoth | when it runs the i686-linux-gcc |
| 18:34.55 | mickeyl | scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config |
| 18:34.55 | mickeyl | distcc[12312] (dcc_execvp) ERROR: failed to exec i686-Linux-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.09 | mickeyl | sorry, missed the first bit |
| 18:35.16 | mickeyl | make[3]: Verlassen des Verzeichnisses Verzeichnis »/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/linux« |
| 18:35.16 | mickeyl | cd /usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/linux; make HOSTCC="/usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/local/bin/distcc gcc" CC="/usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/local/bin/distcc i686-Linux-gcc" LD="/usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/local/bin/distcc i686-Linux-ld" zImage |
| 18:35.16 | mickeyl | distcc[12165] (dcc_execvp) ERROR: failed to exec i686-Linux-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.16 | mickeyl | make[3]: Wechsel in das Verzeichnis Verzeichnis »/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/linux« |
| 18:35.17 | mickeyl | scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config |
| 18:35.19 | mickeyl | distcc[12312] (dcc_execvp) ERROR: failed to exec i686-Linux-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.21 | mickeyl | make[3]: *** [init/main.o] Fehler 110 |
| 18:35.29 | kergoth | so CROSS is hosed |
| 18:35.31 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:35.49 | kergoth | as i said, i686 isnt even in Vars.make |
| 18:35.55 | kergoth | are you defining CONFIG_USERCROSS? |
| 18:36.27 | mickeyl | hmm.... mickey@gandalf:/usr/local/projects/openzaurus$ grep USERCROSS .config |
| 18:36.27 | mickeyl | CONFIG_USERCROSS="" |
| 18:36.38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:37.18 | mickeyl | that is fresh after making mrproper - so no dead corpses from earlier builds around |
| 18:37.37 | kergoth | well, the buildroot is getting i686 in its CROSS prefix from somewhere. |
| 18:37.44 | kergoth | does your Vars.make reference i686 anywhere? |
| 18:37.59 | mickeyl | not directly, no. |
| 18:38.03 | kergoth | could be i missed i push |
| 18:38.04 | kergoth | hmm |
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| 18:38.18 | mickeyl | yeah, same buildroot worked yesterday :-D |
| 18:38.19 | kergoth | well Vars.make is the only place CROSS is touched.. |
| 18:38.30 | kergoth | my kernel is building right now |
| 18:42.07 | kergoth | mickeyl: anyone setting ARCH? |
| 18:42.25 | kergoth | oh |
| 18:42.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:42.31 | kergoth | i think i found it |
| 18:42.41 | mickeyl | and? |
| 18:43.27 | mickeyl | oh! |
| 18:43.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: try adding 'ifdef Name' above the ARCH, CROSS, stuff, and 'endif' after the export |
| 18:43.34 | mickeyl | yes, ARCH is i686 here |
| 18:43.40 | kergoth | err |
| 18:43.42 | kergoth | it is, where? |
| 18:43.59 | kergoth | just addt hose ifdefs |
| 18:44.03 | kergoth | i added a ifndef around ARCH and OS |
| 18:44.09 | mickeyl | in my environment. I set it in my .bashrc |
| 18:44.11 | victorvdl | Is there any to access OZ feeds via ftp? |
| 18:44.15 | mickeyl | adding ifndef |
| 18:44.20 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:44.33 | kergoth | this wont fix it then |
| 18:44.38 | kergoth | but i can fix it |
| 18:44.39 | kergoth | hold |
| 18:44.52 | mickeyl | we have a network with alpha, suns and hp here, so we use ARCH to differenciate in our login scripts |
| 18:45.03 | mickeyl | can't get rid of this... |
| 18:45.27 | kergoth | i know |
| 18:45.35 | kergoth | but make can check where a varaible came from |
| 18:45.44 | kergoth | i can make it check if it didnt come from the environment. |
| 18:45.55 | mickeyl | yeah, this will work |
| 18:46.55 | mickeyl | so, this is where i686 comes from, but where does the 'Linux' come from? |
| 18:47.07 | mickeyl | ah never mind |
| 18:47.13 | mickeyl | $OS = Linux here |
| 18:47.35 | kergoth | note its my adding the ifndefs aruond ARCH and OS that broke it |
| 18:47.52 | kergoth | the x86 builds like mtd wwere hardcoding references to the build system |
| 18:47.57 | kergoth | but theres no guarantee we're building on x86 |
| 18:48.00 | kergoth | so removed that |
| 18:48.38 | mickeyl | yeah, sounds reasonable. |
| 18:57.53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:58.06 | kergoth | i need to run a set of makefile commands if its from the environment, or if its undefined |
| 18:58.12 | kergoth | stupid limited make logic |
| 18:58.22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:58.30 | kergoth | ifeq is too limtied, i need ifeq this, or ifeq that |
| 18:58.42 | kergoth | ah, i'll use $(filter or $(filter-out |
| 18:59.17 | mickeyl | no idea, _you're_ the shell wizard :-D |
| 18:59.39 | kergoth | ifneq ($(filter-out environment undefined,$(origin BUILDARCH)),) |
| 18:59.40 | kergoth | whee |
| 18:59.42 | mickeyl | no but seriously, i really appreciate if we could switch to something clear and concise as python for open embedded |
| 18:59.53 | kergoth | yeah, i would like that as well. |
| 19:00.01 | kergoth | put your ideas on the BuildSystem page in the openembedded wiki |
| 19:00.10 | TheMasterMind1 | we have a wiki? |
| 19:00.11 | mickeyl | i will... |
| 19:00.59 | kergoth | yes, we do |
| 19:01.01 | kergoth | openembedded.org |
| 19:01.04 | kergoth | read teh topic |
| 19:01.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:03.18 | scanline | I need to phpwikify picogui.org's wiki and stop using the b0rken sfwiki code |
| 19:03.23 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:04.01 | TheMasterMind1 | shouldn't it be pingiembed or something ;) |
| 19:04.25 | scanline | PingiInABox.com |
| 19:04.36 | mickeyl | sounds too cute imho :-D open embedded sounds more mighty hehe |
| 19:04.50 | scanline | super-squishy-embedded-pingy.net |
| 19:32.08 | Twiun | hi guys# |
| 19:32.28 | Twiun | Harlekin: wanted to speak to me? |
| 19:33.03 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 19:33.03 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 19:33.10 | Harlekin | wanted to hear about java status .-) |
| 19:33.54 | Twiun | on hold atm, simply because I haven't found enough hours to get into it over the past two weeks |
| 19:34.37 | Twiun | any deadlines you need me to meet? |
| 19:34.45 | Harlekin | no |
| 19:34.53 | Harlekin | just wanted to know what works and what not |
| 19:34.59 | Harlekin | like command line stuff |
| 19:35.02 | Harlekin | without gui |
| 19:35.05 | Harlekin | if that works |
| 19:35.11 | Harlekin | and if yes, if its packaged |
| 19:35.11 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:35.30 | Twiun | that should work fine without my work ;-) I can package something up for you if you want? |
| 19:35.57 | Harlekin | ah its not in Ö ` |
| 19:35.58 | Harlekin | ? |
| 19:36.15 | Harlekin | Twiun: i wanted to give it a testdrive |
| 19:36.20 | Harlekin | Twiun: what parts do you have? |
| 19:36.22 | Dessimat0r | MasculineOS |
| 19:36.26 | Harlekin | Twiun: runtime? sdk? |
| 19:36.40 | Twiun | what's in the buildroot will build a command-line runtime fine |
| 19:36.52 | Twiun | with some non-usable gui bits |
| 19:36.54 | Dessimat0r | MenstrOS |
| 19:36.56 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 19:36.59 | Harlekin | Twiun: no gui needed |
| 19:37.17 | Harlekin | Twiun: btw there is something coming from sun |
| 19:37.33 | Twiun | Harlekin: the spiderman j2me implementation? |
| 19:37.57 | Dessimat0r | spiderman super-slow implimentation |
| 19:38.11 | Harlekin | not so slow |
| 19:38.20 | Dessimat0r | java usually is o_O |
| 19:38.37 | scanline | OE has python, who needs Java :) |
| 19:38.41 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 19:38.48 | Twiun | Harlekin: wanna take this away from these detractors? |
| 19:38.51 | scanline | statically typed langauges are for wimps |
| 19:39.03 | Harlekin | Twiun: ? |
| 19:39.26 | Dessimat0r | for WIMPs, Windows Icons Menus Pointer ;) |
| 19:39.30 | Twiun | they keep making jokes when we're trying to have a serious conversation |
| 19:39.52 | scanline | Windows, icons, menus, and Java are al for wimps |
| 19:39.54 | scanline | s/al/all/ |
| 19:40.05 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 19:40.38 | Dessimat0r | i suppose the acronym is true, then ;) |
| 19:40.47 | scanline | well, pointers are ok |
| 19:40.52 | scanline | better than references at least ;) |
| 19:40.56 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 19:41.48 | Dessimat0r | I'm now on 1mbit, hehe |
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| 19:42.18 | noda | Moo! |
| 19:42.20 | Dessimat0r | moo |
| 19:43.36 | noda | Actually, nah, first thing's first, gotta fix the mess I've made with Filters :) |
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| 19:49.32 | chouimat|away | ulyx: lart noda |
| 19:51.09 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 19:51.10 | | hyper antimeson |
| 19:52.39 | chouimat|away | ~particle of the day |
| 19:52.40 | | excited flux photon |
| 19:57.55 | scanline | ~particle du jour |
| 19:57.55 | | inverse antigraviton |
| 20:03.46 | chouimat|away | ~particle of the day |
| 20:03.47 | | hyper antitachyon |
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| 20:07.15 | Cloud | hi |
| 20:07.24 | treke | hey |
| 20:16.35 | Dessimat0r | ulyx: lart chouimat |
| 20:17.21 | Dessimat0r | ulyx: lart noda |
| 20:20.13 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: shaddap |
| 20:21.04 | kergoth | damn meetings. |
| 20:21.08 | andersee | ibot: insult ulyx |
| 20:21.42 | chouimat | kergoth: again?????? |
| 20:21.55 | kergoth | yeah, keep getting stuck going to these pointless meetings |
| 20:22.00 | kergoth | bleh |
| 20:22.10 | noda | kergoth: But you're out now! You're FREE! :) |
| 20:22.28 | kergoth | sitting in my cube waiting for idiots to call is _not_ free |
| 20:22.28 | kergoth | :) |
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| 20:22.33 | chouimat | kergoth: I just bought 2 bookshelves so I'm ok for some time |
| 20:22.49 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:22.53 | FrenkYo | my OZ goes in segmentation fault...it doesn't start... |
| 20:23.02 | kergoth | login and run opie manually |
| 20:23.10 | FrenkYo | how can I reinstall another oz version ? |
| 20:23.25 | noda | Just flash... you'd need a CF writer though. |
| 20:23.33 | FrenkYo | I can't use the keyboard for use the konsole |
| 20:23.36 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:23.38 | kergoth | then reflash |
| 20:23.48 | FrenkYo | how :? |
| 20:23.56 | noda | Same way you did the first time |
| 20:23.56 | kergoth | buy a CF reader. |
| 20:23.59 | kergoth | or CF to pcmcia adapter |
| 20:24.14 | kergoth | noda: he probably copied it over usb |
| 20:24.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:24.20 | FrenkYo | yes |
| 20:24.20 | FrenkYo | over usb |
| 20:24.20 | kergoth | problem with doign it that way, is no way to recover the unit. |
| 20:24.27 | kergoth | buy a cf reader. |
| 20:24.42 | noda | Oh. Yeah, the problem is it wasn't copied properly, FrenkYo. I had that happen to me once :) |
| 20:24.44 | noda | Got a CF reader. Overpaid for it, they're actually very cheap. |
| 20:24.45 | Dessimat0r | they cost £5 |
| 20:25.01 | FrenkYo | they're cheap :? |
| 20:25.06 | FrenkYo | how much :? |
| 20:25.14 | Dessimat0r | 'they cost £5' |
| 20:25.18 | noda | In Canada, around $25 at Radio Shack... |
| 20:25.20 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:25.52 | Dessimat0r | ibot 5 gbp to usd |
| 20:25.53 | | Dessimat0r: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 20:25.54 | FrenkYo | ok... |
| 20:26.02 | kergoth | mickeyl|simpsons: the bug wher eit borks if you have ARCH or BUILDARCH in the enviornment is fixed. bk pull |
| 20:26.03 | Dessimat0r | ibot convert 5 gbp to usd |
| 20:26.48 | Dessimat0r | ibot convert 5 pnd to usd |
| 20:26.56 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell |
| 20:26.58 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:27.07 | Dessimat0r | ibot convert 5 £ to usd |
| 20:27.11 | mark | Dessimat0r: cf readers for a 5iver? where from? |
| 20:27.18 | Dessimat0r | www.ebuyer.co.uk |
| 20:27.20 | mark | ibot: convert 5 GBP to USD |
| 20:27.27 | noda | ibot: hello |
| 20:27.27 | | hola |
| 20:27.34 | noda | (just checking :P) |
| 20:27.35 | mark | ibot: you really do suck |
| 20:27.35 | | mark: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:28.02 | FrenkYo | 34,56 Euro |
| 20:28.05 | FrenkYo | :> |
| 20:28.13 | FrenkYo | I've found it |
| 20:28.16 | mark | Dessimat0r: got that working with linux? |
| 20:28.20 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 20:28.25 | noda | FrenkYo: Whoa, that's a bit more expensive than I'd expect... |
| 20:28.30 | chouimat | ibot change 5 GBP to usd |
| 20:28.32 | mark | Dessimat0r: that is ridicuously cheap :) |
| 20:28.36 | Dessimat0r | http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2VsZWN0X3Byb2R1Y3Rfb3ZlcnZpZXc=&product_uid=30930 |
| 20:28.57 | noda | Simply insanely cheap... |
| 20:29.00 | FrenkYo | noda: it's difficult to connect the cf reader to a linux box :? |
| 20:29.09 | Dessimat0r | I've got it ;) |
| 20:29.13 | noda | FrenkYo: Really easy. |
| 20:29.20 | Dessimat0r | its only usb |
| 20:29.21 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 20:29.22 | mark | Dessimat0r: i think i'll order 2 :) |
| 20:29.29 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:29.34 | chouimat | damn! I pay 60$ for my sddr-73 |
| 20:29.36 | Dessimat0r | comes with the cable etc |
| 20:29.40 | noda | FrenkYo: Any distro will work with it out-of-the-box, as far as I know (I compile my own kernel, and it was STILL easy - just had to modprobe sd_mod) |
| 20:29.43 | Dessimat0r | usb cable |
| 20:29.50 | mark | Dessimat0r: they this cheap for everytinhg? :) |
| 20:29.56 | Dessimat0r | hehe, a lot of stuff |
| 20:30.01 | noda | Also works out-of-the-box for WinXP/ME (and I think 2k also) |
| 20:30.11 | FrenkYo | ok |
| 20:30.12 | mark | Dessimat0r: gah, i was looking for a TFT for £5 too |
| 20:30.13 | Dessimat0r | 256mb CF = £70 |
| 20:30.18 | FrenkYo | thanks |
| 20:30.38 | Dessimat0r | PQI 64MB CompactFlash Card |
| 20:30.48 | Dessimat0r | £15.69 inc VAT |
| 20:31.23 | Dessimat0r | ooh |
| 20:31.24 | mark | Dessimat0r: i fancy a 17" tft |
| 20:31.30 | Dessimat0r | their 256mb card is now only £56 |
| 20:31.50 | Dessimat0r | ridiculous prices, i love it ;) |
| 20:32.20 | Dessimat0r | PQI CF cards were found to be fastest on a review, when they compared them |
| 20:32.39 | Dessimat0r | the 256mb vartiwty |
| 20:32.50 | Dessimat0r | maybe PQI tweaked the ones they game to the reviewers? hehe |
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| 20:33.05 | mark | Dessimat0r: i love this site :) |
| 20:33.12 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 20:33.52 | mark | http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=45230 |
| 20:34.00 | mark | i seriously want one of them :) |
| 20:35.21 | Dessimat0r | mm |
| 20:35.41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:35.43 | TheMasterMind1 | cheap stuff? |
| 20:40.26 | mark | hmm, i want a really expensive laptop cheaply. |
| 20:40.37 | mark | anyone got any tricks? :) |
| 20:40.58 | kergoth | good luck |
| 20:41.00 | kergoth | if you find any, let me know |
| 20:41.06 | treke | mark: lead shot filled pouch |
| 20:41.31 | kergoth | or a 5 finger discount |
| 20:41.51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:42.44 | treke | kergoth: something that would really make life simpler is if we could just put differing files into an arch specific directory and have them automagically merged in, instead of the mess of ifdefs |
| 20:43.24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:43.34 | kergoth | arch specific source, sourcetree, binary, staging, root |
| 20:44.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:44.58 | kergoth | I'd rather just get our new system in place |
| 20:45.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:45.55 | mark | kergoth, treke: hehe |
| 20:46.24 | kergoth | lol, it could very well be |
| 20:46.43 | Dessimat0r | is there a directory you can put patches into, in order to have them automatically merged into the kernel wehn you compile it? |
| 20:46.52 | mark | is 17" TFT the same viewable screen size as a 17" CRT? |
| 20:46.55 | Dessimat0r | instead of doing it manually |
| 20:46.58 | treke | Dessimat0r: you can add them to the sources variable |
| 20:47.16 | chouimat | mark: usually bigger |
| 20:47.17 | Dessimat0r | sources variable? |
| 20:47.17 | kergoth | mark: no, its the viewable of a 18" CRT. CRT is generally 1" less viewable than the size of the crt |
| 20:47.21 | kergoth | mark: but it varies |
| 20:47.31 | kergoth | Dessimat0r: using buildroot? |
| 20:47.45 | Dessimat0r | dunno |
| 20:47.47 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 20:47.51 | mark | kergoth: ah, okay. |
| 20:47.53 | kergoth | uhm |
| 20:47.56 | kergoth | ulyx: lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:48.02 | kergoth | for foo? |
| 20:48.08 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 20:48.24 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart kergoth |
| 20:48.27 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 20:48.36 | kergoth | man, thats just _mean_ |
| 20:48.41 | Dessimat0r | yeah lol |
| 20:48.51 | chouimat | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:48.56 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:48.59 | treke | kergoth: Something else that would be nice for buildroot2, being able to build/clean a specific package |
| 20:49.07 | kergoth | treke: ah, you can do that now |
| 20:49.07 | chouimat | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:49.09 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 20:49.11 | kergoth | treke: make SUBDIRS=packages/blah clean |
| 20:49.13 | chouimat | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:49.15 | treke | ah |
| 20:49.17 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 20:49.17 | treke | sweet |
| 20:49.19 | kergoth | treke: make SUBDIRS=packages/blah sources |
| 20:49.20 | kergoth | treke: etc. |
| 20:49.31 | treke | no more accidentally rming BUILDDIR :) |
| 20:49.37 | chouimat | Dessimat0r: that a lart? |
| 20:49.38 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg packages/ipkg-x86" mrproper |
| 20:49.39 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:49.41 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:49.45 | Dessimat0r | LOL |
| 20:49.58 | chouimat | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:50.03 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 20:50.28 | chouimat | them?? me and my imaginary twin brother? |
| 20:50.34 | kergoth | that reminds me of hte Severed addon to quake |
| 20:50.37 | kergoth | anyone ever play that? |
| 20:50.40 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 20:50.45 | kergoth | you could shoot someone and their arm would fall off |
| 20:50.48 | kergoth | or what hav eyou |
| 20:50.56 | kergoth | then you could pick it up and beat them to death with it |
| 20:50.57 | kergoth | it rocked |
| 20:51.05 | treke | hmmm. wonder how I can check this back out of bitkeep |
| 20:51.05 | chouimat | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:51.10 | kergoth | you could lose both your legs, and both your arms, and just slide along the ground |
| 20:51.19 | kergoth | and try to commit suicide before they kill you so they dont get he kill |
| 20:51.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:51.24 | chouimat | kergoth: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 20:51.33 | kergoth | man, they need severed for quake 3 |
| 20:51.48 | treke | kergoth: you every played cratedm3? |
| 20:51.59 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:52.06 | kergoth | whats that? |
| 20:52.06 | treke | one funky ass mod |
| 20:52.12 | treke | you look like a crate |
| 20:52.22 | treke | everyone else looks like a crate |
| 20:52.32 | kergoth | haha |
| 20:52.33 | treke | and the map is a maze of crates that look just like you |
| 20:53.26 | treke | you never know when that crate you turn your back to is someone just standing still :) |
| 20:53.44 | kergoth | hehe, thats nuts |
| 20:54.44 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 20:54.54 | chouimat | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:55.03 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 20:55.20 | Dessimat0r | hm |
| 20:55.29 | chouimat | WHAT???? |
| 20:55.46 | chouimat | ulyx: bad bot |
| 20:56.02 | chouimat | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 20:56.10 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 20:56.34 | chouimat|away | bbl |
| 20:56.40 | Dessimat0r | http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=127 |
| 20:59.27 | chouimat|away | ulyx slap Dessimat0r for being such a pervert |
| 20:59.37 | chouimat|away | ulyx lart Dessimat0r |
| 21:02.40 | kergoth | heh, thats not much of a lart |
| 21:02.45 | treke | day by day ulyx gets a little more vulgar |
| 21:02.46 | kergoth | especially if <nick> is female |
| 21:09.44 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 21:09.58 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 21:11.21 | Dessimat0r | ulyx about |
| 21:12.23 | Dessimat0r | what kind of bot is ulyx? |
| 21:12.42 | treke | an annoying one? |
| 21:12.50 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
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| 21:14.47 | JasonNJ | sup |
| 21:15.02 | treke | yo |
| 21:15.52 | scanline | ~lart test |
| 21:16.00 | scanline | oh |
| 21:16.07 | scanline | if ibot is here, why have another blootbot? :) |
| 21:16.28 | treke | to entertain chouimat |
| 21:16.31 | scanline | ok |
| 21:16.36 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 21:16.37 | | excited antiphoton |
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| 21:24.26 | treke | sweeee |
| 21:24.28 | treke | sweeeet |
| 21:24.34 | treke | my cf card almost mounted :) |
| 21:25.40 | kergoth | treke: nice |
| 21:28.33 | treke | oz doesnt like the card being vfat :) |
| 21:29.06 | treke | doesnt like my wcf11 yet, but its a start |
| 21:29.29 | treke | probably because I dont have the oz prism2 package |
| 21:30.26 | kergoth | remove prism2 from your config, and enable hostap |
| 21:30.33 | kergoth | then install hostap-modules |
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| 21:31.14 | treke | now if I can just get opie to work, i could actually use it :) |
| 21:37.08 | treke | odd thing is that it doesnt error out on the touch screen |
| 21:43.42 | kergoth | yeah, it wont |
| 21:43.47 | kergoth | its qt/e opening it, not opie |
| 21:44.06 | treke | kergoth: Well it does error if I remove the h3600_ts symlink |
| 21:44.52 | treke | I've been removing the redirection of stderr to /dev/null for debugging |
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| 21:57.06 | Dessimat0r | ulyx lart chouimat |
| 22:12.05 | gaurdian | kergoth , any reason the "Today" applet wouldent tell me there is mail in the inbox ? |
| 22:12.32 | kergoth | gaurdian: what mail app are you using/ |
| 22:13.30 | gaurdian | the one that came with the sharp rom. I dl's the "today" app from killfilez |
| 22:13.38 | gaurdian | installed fine |
| 22:13.39 | kergoth | today doesnt support qtmail. |
| 22:13.46 | gaurdian | ahh.....ok |
| 22:13.53 | gaurdian | what does it support ? |
| 22:13.56 | kergoth | i doubt it ever will. |
| 22:13.58 | kergoth | opie-mail2 iirc |
| 22:14.03 | gaurdian | ok... |
| 22:14.10 | treke | kergoth: probably opie-mail1 |
| 22:14.19 | kergoth | good point |
| 22:14.24 | treke | since opie-mail2 doesnt keep track of message between sessions |
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| 22:18.36 | gaurdian | kergoth , any eta on rc3 by chance ? |
| 22:20.02 | cbok | guardian - rc2 works spendidly |
| 22:20.22 | kergoth | gaurdian: 5-7 days, approximately |
| 22:20.31 | gaurdian | and that has what to do with my question ? :) |
| 22:20.51 | kergoth | i think he means theres no need for a rc3 immediately |
| 22:21.00 | gaurdian | thanks man....btw spoke over with my wife re: possibly some $$ for that SD thing and she is cool with it |
| 22:21.00 | kergoth | but rc3 will be a feature add release, not bugfix |
| 22:21.16 | kergoth | cool, i'll let everyone know whats going on re: sd after 3.1 releases |
| 22:21.40 | gaurdian | not bugfix...eh....why not ? |
| 22:22.38 | kergoth | because there are few bugs to fix |
| 22:22.39 | dscordia | kergoth what features? |
| 22:22.43 | kergoth | of course there will be fixes. |
| 22:22.46 | kergoth | there are always fixes |
| 22:22.50 | kergoth | but the release's purpose isnt that |
| 22:23.06 | kergoth | the purpose is to pull in running opie as a nonroot user, as well as a couple other bits, and test that |
| 22:23.20 | dscordia | cool |
| 22:23.47 | kergoth | oh, also a samba server running by default |
| 22:23.56 | kergoth | so users can drag & drop their files over to the Z easily |
| 22:24.12 | dscordia | ok i know i'm going to sound like a luser here, but what is the benefit to running a pda as a regular user? |
| 22:24.29 | kergoth | there is the security concern, but thats not a valid reason for it |
| 22:24.41 | kergoth | the real reason is a small amount of peace of mind |
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| 22:24.58 | gaurdian | hows the non root comming ? |
| 22:25.04 | kergoth | so users know they cant accidentally rm -rf /bin ;) |
| 22:25.27 | dscordia | kergoth as in you can't trash the system when a regular user? |
| 22:25.34 | dscordia | kergoth gotcha |
| 22:25.43 | noda | Man, Sharp is *so* behind OZ :P |
| 22:25.55 | gaurdian | serious, samba as a default...I donno about that..I connect to a lot wifi nets sometimes.... |
| 22:26.18 | gaurdian | I assume easy way to shut it off right ? |
| 22:26.26 | noda | If it's a small lib I wouldn't mind having it by default... but I wouldn't want the service to run unless I turned it on... |
| 22:26.43 | kergoth | gaurdian: right |
| 22:26.47 | noda | Ooh ooh ooh! Opie needs a 'chkconfig'-like GUI :) |
| 22:26.49 | kergoth | gaurdian: its used in a300/b500/c700 already |
| 22:26.58 | kergoth | noda: um, ben already did a server config app |
| 22:27.07 | noda | Wow, great minds think alike, eh :) |
| 22:27.23 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:27.36 | gaurdian | I am just thinking of all the people who wont understand the ramifications of havingf one on |
| 22:27.51 | treke | I dodnt think he ever rewrote it after losing the source though |
| 22:28.08 | kergoth | gaurdian: there will be a root password.. if they set the opie users password, they'll need that to get in via samba |
| 22:28.27 | noda | That's a big 'if'. |
| 22:28.30 | gaurdian | ok...dat cool |
| 22:28.48 | noda | IMO a simple config should be *mandatory* to make samba run at all. |
| 22:29.05 | noda | (just password and "what would you like to share today? Documents, cf, sd..." |
| 22:29.09 | gaurdian | how about a default off and need to turn on to use ? |
| 22:29.23 | noda | That's my not-so-humble opinion. |
| 22:29.24 | gaurdian | just my 2 cents |
| 22:29.41 | kergoth | no |
| 22:29.47 | kergoth | not going to happen |
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| 22:30.04 | noda | kergoth: So every time I flash I'm going to have to disable samba? |
| 22:30.04 | kergoth | I'm enabling it out of the box. |
| 22:30.10 | kergoth | yes. or build yourself a rom. |
| 22:30.17 | kergoth | or set a damn password |
| 22:30.35 | noda | Yes, but passwords aren't set by default. And your typical user won't set a password... |
| 22:30.52 | noda | Oh, and I don't consider a default like 'rootme' a password. |
| 22:31.00 | treke | hehe |
| 22:31.28 | treke | maybe a little setup wizard like wince has |
| 22:31.29 | gaurdian | hahaha |
| 22:31.57 | treke | pick a password, choose your color scheme, and off you go |
| 22:31.59 | billytwowilly | perhaps you guys will know the answer to this, does the linux kernel have a development schedule that's posted anywhere? |
| 22:32.00 | noda | Yeah, if there were a setup wizard that'd be perfect, for many things like this. I'd write one but I don't have enough time (or ability) |
| 22:32.30 | gaurdian | well, one way I do see that is like during the INITIAL config of the system is setting a password and samba config |
| 22:32.52 | gaurdian | like where you set date/time/screen etc |
| 22:32.59 | gaurdian | like a 1st boot |
| 22:33.05 | noda | Yeah, date too, that'd be super |
| 22:33.21 | treke | kergoth: something else to add to your opie-noontroot list. Setting the date and time |
| 22:34.21 | kergoth | treke: put the user in an rtc group which has access to write to the rtc |
| 22:34.40 | kergoth | treke: certain devices we dont want to do that in.. if thats the case for th ertc, set it in the opie-alarm pre-session |
| 22:35.21 | dscordia | billytwowilly not afaik |
| 22:35.44 | dscordia | billytwowilly schedule is somewhere between "when it's done" and "when Linus says so" |
| 22:36.08 | kergoth | theres the 2.5 status page |
| 22:36.12 | kergoth | but thats not really a timeline |
| 22:36.22 | billytwowilly | where's the 2.5 status page? |
| 22:36.30 | billytwowilly | doh.. I was hoping it was developed something like kde;) |
| 22:36.33 | kergoth | search the archives |
| 22:36.40 | billytwowilly | archives where? |
| 22:36.55 | dscordia | billytwowilly http://kernelnewbies.org/status/ |
| 22:36.57 | dscordia | google |
| 22:37.19 | billytwowilly | hurray! a newbies site about the kernel;) lemme check it out. thanks. |
| 22:37.21 | billytwowilly | cheers. |
| 22:38.57 | noda | Bah, that's enough oz.org work for today. The new interface is actually working, don't want to actually enable it because I don't know how much I'll be here in the next few days in case there's a bug. |
| 22:39.05 | noda | So... have fun everybody! :) |
| 22:39.15 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:39.16 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 22:39.27 | kergoth | later noda |
| 22:39.38 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ipaq support is in bk, thanks to treke. he's working out the kinks |
| 22:39.42 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Oh, maybe you'll want to play with faq/browse.php (from CVS) - the filter box looks damned ugly. |
| 22:39.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: wow, sweet |
| 22:39.49 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: k |
| 22:39.52 | noda | TheMasterMind1: It's the <<<EOT EOT; part. |
| 22:40.05 | noda | And yeah, the code's very messy... for now. |
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| 22:43.16 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: does ipkg call ldconfig after run? |
| 22:43.23 | kergoth | no, and it shouldnt |
| 22:43.28 | kergoth | lib ipks should call it in their postinst |
| 22:43.29 | Harlekin | why |
| 22:43.32 | kergoth | the opie ones do. |
| 22:43.36 | kergoth | I dont even have ldconfig installed in OZ. |
| 22:43.41 | Harlekin | libqpe apparently not |
| 22:43.43 | kergoth | its unnecessary considering our use of LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 22:44.48 | pb_ | Harlekin: ipkg isn't smart enough to figure out when running ldconfig is actually necessary. like kergoth says, library packages that need it run should put it in their postinst scripts. |
| 22:45.08 | Harlekin | pb_: so tell that the commercial adopter |
| 22:45.18 | kergoth | yes, tell them. |
| 22:45.20 | pb_ | Harlekin: I will tell it to anyone you like. |
| 22:45.25 | Harlekin | pb_: please talk to bigboss |
| 22:45.26 | pb_ | Harlekin: just send 'em over. |
| 22:45.41 | Harlekin | pb_: bigboss@thekompany.com |
| 22:45.43 | Harlekin | i think |
| 22:45.59 | treke | ibot, bigboss? |
| 22:46.00 | | rumour has it, bigboss is like the president of TheKompany |
| 22:46.02 | kergoth | or just talk to one of his developers when they drop by |
| 22:46.08 | treke | I think its shawn@thekompany.com |
| 22:46.20 | Harlekin | yeah, its more efficient to talk to on of them |
| 22:46.24 | treke | although I dont think hes likely to care too much :) |
| 22:46.24 | kergoth | max drops in #zaurus periodically, talk to him |
| 22:46.28 | kergoth | treke: exactly |
| 22:46.31 | kergoth | talk to one of his devs |
| 22:47.06 | treke | max would probably just spend five minutes fixing all the apps instead of saying "works on the zaurus" |
| 22:47.18 | kergoth | yup |
| 22:48.46 | gaurdian | kergoth , some of the Kompany apps (like calamdar and address book) are desinged to replace the ones on the sharp rom, do they replace them also on OZ or install side by side ? |
| 22:48.59 | kergoth | i wouldnt guarantee either to happen |
| 22:49.03 | kergoth | uninstall the opie versions first |
| 22:49.04 | gaurdian | or ? |
| 22:49.26 | gaurdian | hmm...well I tried that and then the data wouldent sync with outlook anymore |
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| 22:50.54 | kergoth | ah, thats odd |
| 22:50.56 | gaurdian | one of the reasons I think, is that the kompany address book uses the same files as the the sharp rom one, and unstalling the sharp one removes the data store ? |
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| 22:51.09 | kergoth | no, uninstalling the app doesnt remove its data files |
| 22:51.23 | gaurdian | ok |
| 22:51.23 | treke | that was such a nasty hack |
| 22:51.39 | kergoth | i know |
| 22:51.41 | gaurdian | wonder why dident work |
| 22:51.51 | kergoth | you know, he couldnve fixed it with 2 lines per control file |
| 22:51.55 | kergoth | actually, one |
| 22:52.06 | kergoth | just Replaces: opie-addressbook, qpe-addressbook |
| 22:52.06 | mark | Twiun: just had to tow an omega aobut two miles up a country lane and pull out a land rover from the snow :) |
| 22:52.07 | kergoth | ta da |
| 22:52.12 | kergoth | but no, he refuses to do so |
| 23:01.37 | treke | at least it isnt making you slower than kergoth |
| 23:02.46 | kergoth | ibot: pester treke |
| 23:02.47 | | treke: PESTER PESTER PESTER! |
| 23:02.55 | billytwowilly | heh. That's why I was asking about the 2.6 kernel. it's supposed to have something in it that stops progs like dvd::rip from affecting stuff the user is using. |
| 23:02.59 | billytwowilly | hehehehe |
| 23:03.30 | billytwowilly | ibot: pester billytwowilly |
| 23:03.31 | | billytwowilly: PESTER PESTER PESTER! |
| 23:03.43 | billytwowilly | hurray. ibot listens to me... |
| 23:04.27 | kergoth | ulyx: PESTER PESTER PESTER! is <reply> Yeah well, fuck you too. |
| 23:04.28 | ulyx | alright |
| 23:04.31 | kergoth | ibot: pester ulyx |
| 23:04.32 | | ulyx: PESTER PESTER PESTER! |
| 23:04.47 | kergoth | ah, forgot he requires a ? |
| 23:04.48 | kergoth | damnit |
| 23:04.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:06.27 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:06.50 | treke | I dont see any difference in the boot up procedure for familiar |
| 23:07.15 | pb_ | treke: compared to what? |
| 23:07.16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: we need to use that new style bootup script thing, that would rock |
| 23:07.30 | treke | pb_: openzaurus |
| 23:08.32 | pb_ | ah |
| 23:09.33 | treke | pb_: trying to figure out why qt/e doesnt read frm the touchscreen on openzaurus/ipaq |
| 23:10.03 | pb_ | treke: permissions? |
| 23:10.42 | treke | nope, they are the same. |
| 23:11.14 | pb_ | hmm, strange. |
| 23:11.22 | kergoth | treke: put a known good ipaq kernel in your image and test, or try your built kernel on familiar |
| 23:11.26 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... ARCH/OS stuff still doesn't work here... |
| 23:11.29 | pb_ | treke: can you read from /dev/h3600_ts or whatever if you try it manually? |
| 23:11.31 | treke | I've now got a file listing and a tar of it, so we can test it |
| 23:11.38 | treke | pb_: yeah I've read from it manually |
| 23:11.45 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:11.53 | treke | kergoth: Thats the odd part. I've used a known good kernel and a known good opie |
| 23:11.58 | mickeyl | kergoth: ipkg build dies like that: |
| 23:11.58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:12.00 | mickeyl | make[3]: Verlassen des Verzeichnisses Verzeichnis »/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/ipkg-x86/C« |
| 23:12.00 | mickeyl | touch /usr/local/projects/openzaurus/stamps/.ipkg-x86.binary |
| 23:12.00 | mickeyl | install -d /usr/local/projects/openzaurus/output/staging/{bin,lib,include} |
| 23:12.00 | mickeyl | install -m 0755 /usr/local/projects/openzaurus/build/ipkg-x86/C/ipkg /usr/local/projects/openzaurus/output/staging/-linux/bin/ |
| 23:12.00 | mickeyl | install: reguläre Datei »/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/output/staging/-linux/bin/« kann nicht angelegt werden: No such file or directory |
| 23:12.02 | mickeyl | make[2]: *** [/usr/local/projects/openzaurus/stamps/.ipkg-x86.staginginstall] Fehler 1 |
| 23:12.19 | kergoth | -linux? odd |
| 23:12.23 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:12.32 | treke | I suspect its related to whatever is keeping suspend_button_mode from appearing, since it is there on my familiar 0.6.1 and I'm using the same kernel |
| 23:12.37 | pb_ | treke: do you have the symlinks that familiar's /linuxrc sets up? |
| 23:12.52 | treke | pb_: yup |
| 23:13.11 | pb_ | treke: are you sure the kernels are identical? suspend_button_mode isn't influenced by anything in userspace, the kernel decides on its own whether to create it or not. |
| 23:13.29 | pb_ | treke: it was removed sometime around -hh22 I think. I can check the exact version if you want. |
| 23:13.30 | treke | ooh, maybe it isnt. this is probably hh21 |
| 23:13.48 | treke | I forgot to put hh24 back on my familiar install |
| 23:13.59 | pb_ | ah |
| 23:14.13 | treke | so those are probably unrelated |
| 23:14.45 | pb_ | probably, yes. |
| 23:15.00 | pb_ | well, I guess the next thing would be to strace opie to see what it tries to do with the touchscreen, if anything. |
| 23:19.10 | mickeyl | kergoth: hmm... export from within a Makefile reports that now ARCH gets set to "" |
| 23:19.33 | kergoth | mickeyl: in all cases? or only ipkg-x86? |
| 23:20.04 | mickeyl | no idea... this is after make mrproper... hmm... |
| 23:20.08 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 23:20.14 | kergoth | maybe the logic is wrong in Vars.make |
| 23:20.45 | kergoth | ifneq ($(filter environment undefined,$(origin ARCH)),) |
| 23:21.50 | kergoth | that look right? i only want to run what follows when its either from the environment, or undefined |
| 23:21.53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:23.58 | mickeyl | how bout the later part - ifeq ($(ARCH)-$(OS),$(BUILDARCH)-$(BUILDOS)) - is this using the "right" variables? |
| 23:25.08 | mickeyl | export BUILD_SYS="-linux" |
| 23:26.37 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:26.44 | kergoth | BUILD_SYS is -linux? |
| 23:26.50 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:26.54 | kergoth | so BUILDARCH is hosed |
| 23:26.56 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:26.57 | mickeyl | yes - reported from export in ipkg-x86 |
| 23:26.59 | kergoth | ahahaha |
| 23:27.02 | kergoth | its a fucking typo |
| 23:27.07 | kergoth | go look at the if above the BUILDARCH block |
| 23:27.09 | kergoth | in Vars.make |
| 23:28.08 | mickeyl | hmm.... /me is blind... |
| 23:28.18 | kergoth | its operating on ARCH |
| 23:28.20 | kergoth | not BUILDARCH |
| 23:28.22 | kergoth | in the if :) |
| 23:28.36 | mickeyl | oh! |
| 23:29.18 | kergoth | pushed the fix |
| 23:29.30 | mickeyl | nice. trying again... |
| 23:31.03 | mickeyl | err... |
| 23:31.13 | mickeyl | busybox.sh: line 1: -linux-gcc: command not found |
| 23:31.13 | mickeyl | make[3]: *** [applet_source_list] Fehler 1 |
| 23:31.18 | mickeyl | this is getting weird |
| 23:31.34 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:31.47 | treke | opie works! :) |
| 23:31.51 | kergoth | treke: sweet |
| 23:31.59 | mickeyl | treke: congrats |
| 23:32.14 | treke | I was looking at permissions on the device, it was permissions on the symlink that were wrong |
| 23:32.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:32.32 | kergoth | mickeyl: whats it trying to build? busybox for x86 in the ipkg-x86 build? |
| 23:33.01 | mickeyl | yes |
| 23:33.01 | TheMasterMind1 | how can i tell how many lines in a file |
| 23:33.05 | TheMasterMind1 | a 870MB file |
| 23:33.08 | treke | now that i can get my opie-reader action at night, I dont have to go back to familiar at night :) |
| 23:33.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:33.11 | treke | TheMasterMind1: wc -l |
| 23:33.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wc -l |
| 23:33.19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:33.21 | TheMasterMind1 | i knew that |
| 23:33.27 | treke | gonna take a while |
| 23:33.27 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid me |
| 23:35.27 | treke | now to figure out why devfs.sh runs a half dozen times ;) |
| 23:44.37 | kergoth | mickeyl: try once more :) |
| 23:44.44 | kergoth | mickeyl: tested teh ipkg-x86 build before pushing this time |
| 23:44.45 | kergoth | mickeyl: hehe |
| 23:45.43 | treke | kergoth: yah know, it would be really slick if oz defaulted to liquid :) |
| 23:45.58 | kergoth | so users see how perty it can be? |
| 23:46.18 | Harlekin | maybe after a preempt kernel |
| 23:46.26 | Harlekin | without liquid appears slow |
| 23:46.59 | kergoth | yes, the dialog redraw in particular |
| 23:47.07 | mickeyl | kergoth: a-ha. busybox x86 seems to be compiling with gcc... so good so far... i keep you posted :-D |
| 23:47.08 | kergoth | maybe flat by deafult, its faast |
| 23:47.09 | treke | does preempt still require a patch? |
| 23:47.44 | Harlekin | treke: only in 2.5 included |
| 23:47.54 | kergoth | they dont have 2.5 on the ipaq yet do they? |
| 23:47.55 | mickeyl | as well as the O(1) scheduler |
| 23:47.57 | kergoth | they should port it |
| 23:48.06 | kergoth | not _that_ difficult to adapt |
| 23:48.14 | Harlekin | yeah, me would like to test a 2.5 kernel, but its hard to compile them through |
| 23:48.16 | kergoth | unless their drivers arent at all preempt safe of course |
| 23:48.30 | treke | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/feeds/2.5.44 |
| 23:48.40 | Harlekin | i tried all .5x |
| 23:48.48 | Harlekin | 0-9 |
| 23:48.54 | treke | I dont know if they actually work, but they have some older builds |
| 23:48.56 | kergoth | ah, spiffy |
| 23:49.13 | treke | Harlekin: I'll add preempt to the oe tree |
| 23:49.27 | pb_ | kergoth: jamey has done a bit of work on 2.5 kernels for the ipaq. |
| 23:49.43 | Harlekin | treke: do that please |
| 23:49.43 | kergoth | hm, preempt needs to be a seperate package, keep that in mind |
| 23:49.50 | kergoth | pb_: great |
| 23:49.52 | Harlekin | kergoth: for ipaq kernel? |
| 23:50.13 | kergoth | Harlekin: yeah, unless you want the only available kernel in the feed to be preempt |
| 23:50.19 | kergoth | how well tested is it? |
| 23:50.21 | Harlekin | kergoth: yes |
| 23:50.22 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:50.22 | kergoth | the races worked out? |
| 23:50.25 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:50.26 | kergoth | k |
| 23:50.32 | Harlekin | no problems on ipaq so far |
| 23:50.37 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:50.37 | Harlekin | just the usual tradeoff |
| 23:50.42 | treke | kergoth: I've personally been using preempt for the past couple months |
| 23:50.45 | Harlekin | appears to be faster on user side |
| 23:50.53 | kergoth | yeah, not surprising |
| 23:50.55 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 23:50.56 | Harlekin | might be slower on real on some number crunching stuff |
| 23:50.58 | treke | it might be nice to provide a nonpreempt kernel build option |
| 23:51.05 | pb_ | Harlekin: any measurable impact on video decoding, that kind of thing? |
| 23:51.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:51.07 | kergoth | add a config opt |
| 23:51.10 | kergoth | its easy enough |
| 23:51.11 | Harlekin | pb_: yes, faster |
| 23:51.23 | Harlekin | pb_: but biggest benefit is gui performance |
| 23:51.25 | treke | Harlekin: I'll update to 2.4.19 when jamey updates the patch. He said he would |
| 23:51.31 | kergoth | treke: add the application of the preempt patch to the Z 2.4.19 kernel build while you're at it |
| 23:51.37 | pb_ | Harlekin: that's interesting, I would have expected preempt to be slower there. |
| 23:51.42 | Harlekin | pb_: i dont do 3d rendering or similuar on ipaq, so no knowledge from there |
| 23:51.51 | pb_ | me neither :-) |
| 23:52.07 | Harlekin | pb_: maybe because i only tested op2 (multithreaded) |
| 23:52.15 | kergoth | Harlekin: why does ipaq have autoresuspend after 2 minutes if awakened on AC? |
| 23:52.28 | Harlekin | kergoth: it does? |
| 23:52.34 | Harlekin | kergoth: where? |
| 23:52.35 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:52.43 | Harlekin | kergoth: light power settings? |
| 23:52.46 | kergoth | if you're on AC, it'll send a qcop message to suspend after 2 minutes |
| 23:52.47 | kergoth | nope |
| 23:52.48 | kergoth | opiealarm itself |
| 23:53.00 | Harlekin | ah, that never kicks in .-) |
| 23:53.06 | Harlekin | light and power sets it |
| 23:53.08 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:53.11 | kergoth | umm |
| 23:53.15 | kergoth | i dont understand what you mean. |
| 23:53.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:53.21 | Harlekin | and default on AC is "no suspend" |
| 23:53.23 | kergoth | by 'kicks in' |
| 23:53.35 | Harlekin | didnt know that opiealarm has such qcop call |
| 23:53.40 | kergoth | its a hack |
| 23:53.41 | Harlekin | i just trusted sandman |
| 23:53.44 | kergoth | it shiould be calling apm -s directly |
| 23:53.48 | kergoth | then its not opie specific. |
| 23:53.54 | kergoth | I'd like to see opiealarm replace atd completely |
| 23:53.56 | kergoth | in all cases |
| 23:54.03 | Harlekin | the suspend call is in odevice |
| 23:54.05 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 23:54.09 | kergoth | Harlekin: i know. |
| 23:54.15 | pb_ | maybe change the name to something less partisan as well :-) |
| 23:54.25 | Harlekin | pb_: why -) |
| 23:54.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:54.39 | Harlekin | gpe where not able to change the name of the bootsplash thing |
| 23:54.44 | Harlekin | gpe people |
| 23:55.01 | pb_ | Harlekin: it wasn't the name at issue there, you wanted it to stop using gdk-pixbuf. |
| 23:55.12 | Harlekin | that too |
| 23:55.28 | pb_ | Harlekin: I said at the time that if you wrote a patch to make it use libpng then I would happily apply it, and that's still true. I just didn't want to do the work myself. |
| 23:55.29 | kergoth | Harlekin: does ipaq still wakeup at midnight? |
| 23:55.36 | Harlekin | kergoth: no |
| 23:55.42 | kergoth | k, just checking |
| 23:55.43 | Harlekin | kergoth: not anymore since opiealarm |
| 23:55.43 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:55.52 | Harlekin | kergoth: who ever brought that tale up |
| 23:56.01 | Harlekin | there is no need to wake the ipaq up at midnight |
| 23:56.02 | pb_ | modern atds don't wake up at midnight either any more. |
| 23:56.32 | kergoth | alright then, does anyone care if i yank the autoresuspend on wakeup on AC after 2 minutes? i dont see a point for it |
| 23:56.48 | Harlekin | mail sandman |
| 23:56.53 | kergoth | using it results in opiealarm running in the background through a suspend/resume cycle |
| 23:56.56 | kergoth | which is pointless |
| 23:56.58 | kergoth | k |
| 23:57.03 | kergoth | havent seen him in a while |
| 23:57.05 | kergoth | msut be busy |
| 23:57.09 | Harlekin | actually he is employed |
| 23:57.15 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:57.16 | kergoth | cool :) |
| 23:57.20 | Harlekin | since a long time |
| 23:57.26 | kergoth | ibot: seen sandman_ |
| 23:57.26 | | sandman_ <~sandman@pD9E8BB52.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 13d 22h 3m 20s ago, saying: ' cp -a $(STAGING_DIR)/lib/libz.a $(TARGET_DIR)/usr/lib/'. |
| 23:57.27 | Harlekin | and some people have to work in reallife .-) |
| 23:57.34 | kergoth | ibot: seen sandman |
| 23:57.34 | | sandman <~griebl@gate.coming-it.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 9d 9h 44m 19s ago, saying: 'andersee: hardcoding MAKE:=make in the buildroot Makefile is not a good idea IMHO .. $(MAKE) is set by make internally'. |
| 23:57.46 | treke | lpp would be kinda cool in oz |
| 23:57.53 | kergoth | yeah, people have requested lpp |
| 23:58.02 | mickeyl | what is Ipp? |
| 23:58.04 | Harlekin | that is cool |
| 23:58.05 | kergoth | I'd also like a more generally useful console rotation piece |
| 23:58.07 | Harlekin | but unmaintained |
| 23:58.08 | kergoth | lineo has that |
| 23:58.09 | treke | more of a slickness thing |
| 23:58.15 | kergoth | so your kernel messages are rightside up :) |
| 23:58.19 | Harlekin | and acording to pb_ stuff like that does not belong in the kernel |
| 23:58.25 | pb_ | right on |
| 23:58.34 | kergoth | true that |
| 23:58.43 | treke | yup |
| 23:58.49 | treke | still cool looking :) |
| 23:58.51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:59.00 | kergoth | kernel boot is only a small part of boot time |
| 23:59.06 | treke | mickeyl: It displays a little boot animation |
| 23:59.07 | kergoth | I'd prefer to see a slick boot gui during the init process |
| 23:59.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:59.11 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:59.12 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:59.13 | Harlekin | me too |
| 23:59.19 | mickeyl | treke: ah ok |
| 23:59.20 | Harlekin | but pb_ thinks different |
| 23:59.26 | kergoth | well, we're reviewing an alternative init script system |
| 23:59.30 | Harlekin | allready faught that out on handhelds |
| 23:59.33 | kergoth | which rusn multiple scirpts at once during boot |
| 23:59.37 | kergoth | to increase boot time |
| 23:59.42 | kergoth | and handles script interdependencies |
| 23:59.54 | pb_ | kergoth: ah cool |
| 23:59.54 | kergoth | adding a bootup logo for devices with a framebuffer would be simple |