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| 01:11.06 | vmeson | Crofton: s/Simple archive/Archive/ ? |
| 01:49.46 | Crofton | yeah |
| 01:49.56 | Crofton | just removed the gmane column |
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| 14:36.18 | mort | is there work to bring go 1.11 to openembedded? |
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| 15:01.54 | vmeson | mort: master has go_1.11: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/go/go_1.11.bb?h=master |
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| 15:06.10 | vmeson | hmmm, that work was done in mid-December 2018 so an update to 1.11.5 seems like a good idea. mort care to send a patch? |
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| 15:42.53 | rburton | oe-core is freezing as we speak |
| 15:44.58 | Crofton | but spring is on the way! |
| 15:46.01 | vmeson | rburton: 1.11.4->1.11.5 so I expect that'll squeak in even post-2.7-M3 |
| 15:46.37 | vmeson | hmmm, 1.12 was released yesterday, that might not fly for 2.7 but it's not my thing/call. |
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| 18:23.34 | khem | halstead: I know you are sick, but wanted to inform you that patchwork did not catch some of the patches from oe-devel |
| 18:26.13 | halstead | Thank you khem. Is there a specific patchset to look at first? |
| 18:30.44 | khem | yes |
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| 18:31.30 | khem | http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2019-February/198524.html |
| 18:31.44 | khem | http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2019-February/198525.html |
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| 20:35.32 | jonmason | got X working on qemuarma15! |
| 20:36.24 | Crofton | Finally! |
| 20:36.32 | jonmason | hahaha |
| 20:37.21 | jonmason | mouse isn't working, but one thing at a time ;-) |
| 20:37.26 | Crofton | lol |
| 20:37.41 | Crofton | you could ask denix for an X15 and skip qemu :) |
| 20:37.58 | jonmason | I got a whole rack of real Arm HW |
| 20:38.28 | jonmason | but all these x86 build servers need something to run |
| 20:38.39 | jonmason | of course, if we could build on Arm servers... |
| 20:39.54 | Crofton | I'm looking forward to do doing my arm and x86 builds on my riscv servers |
| 20:40.24 | jonmason | I'm obligated by my employer to say that RSIC-V sucks and no one should ever use it |
| 20:40.27 | Crofton | or any combinationof the above |
| 20:40.45 | Crofton | I'm obligated not to chose sides |
| 20:40.55 | jonmason | and if I misspell it, no one can grep for me saying it in the irc log |
| 20:41.23 | Crofton | lol |
| 20:58.39 | rburton | jonmason: i think you'll find both arm and riscv suck |
| 21:00.57 | jonmason | rburton: no one wants to pay those hefty Intel prices (or apparently hefty Arm licensing fees) |
| 21:00.57 | Crofton | certainly for doing OE builds! |
| 21:01.25 | jonmason | Crofton: once we get a 1000 core Arm box, then we will win! |
| 21:06.39 | fray | I can simplify this.. nobody wants to pay any licensing fees.. |
| 21:10.21 | khem | jonmason:thats great milestone |
| 21:11.32 | jonmason | khem: thanks. now just gotta figure out why usb isn't working and I'll send out patches for both qemuarm(a15) and qemuarm64 |
| 21:11.37 | khem | jonmason: reading your comment about RISC-V you must be working for arm |
| 21:11.54 | jonmason | :D |
| 21:12.16 | khem | but fact is that the time for the idea has come |
| 21:13.13 | jonmason | true, and MIPS just opened up their stuff too (and they actually have some hardened toolchains) |
| 21:13.35 | khem | yes but mips has missed the boat long time ago |
| 21:13.51 | khem | they let arm ISA bypass them into mobile market |
| 21:14.15 | jonmason | Broadcom still has some MIPS SoCs that they are selling |
| 21:14.31 | khem | oh many have |
| 21:14.33 | jonmason | so some life is there |
| 21:14.39 | georgem | is risc-v any better off from a technical standpoint though? |
| 21:14.50 | jonmason | but all the cool kids like RISC-V, so its the real enemy now |
| 21:14.55 | khem | yes but market share is in rounding errors margins |
| 21:15.30 | khem | georgem: RISC-V is just an ISA, and its small |
| 21:16.24 | jonmason | sifive is doing interesting things and I'll be interested to see that talk at SCaLE by WD |
| 21:16.25 | georgem | Well there are the toolchains and kernel support around the ISA as well. |
| 21:16.26 | khem | all ISA have 1000s of instructions, and check the compiler output how many of those are really used by 99% of code .. less than 40 |
| 21:18.32 | khem | think of 1991 when Linux releases linux kernel to community, we had Solaris, windows, HPUX and many more |
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| 21:20.28 | jonmason | Isn't the RISC-V more akin to BSD? |
| 21:20.51 | georgem | license wise I think so |
| 21:20.57 | jonmason | without the copyleft of the GPL, Linux wouldn't have taken off |
| 21:22.28 | jonmason | it'll be interesting to see what happens, either way |
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| 21:30.05 | khem | jonmason: On github its interesting to see that apache-2.0, MIT and BSD are most favoured licenses now a days it used to be GPL 20 years ago, I guess communities have changed their minds |
| 21:30.15 | khem | LLVM is not GPL and its thriving |
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| 21:35.38 | jonmason | good argument to have over beers :) |
| 21:36.22 | Crofton | if you have a referee |
| 21:36.48 | fray | my observation over 24 years.. GPL is great once there is a 'bad' actor in a community... assuming the community is benevolent and you have contributors and users.. then MIT and BSD work great.. |
| 21:37.03 | Crofton | what fray said |
| 21:37.12 | fray | but when that one guy comes in and tries to 'hide' their work, that is when the community looks for a more GPL like license |
| 21:37.20 | jonmason | x11 was great with the MIT license, right? |
| 21:37.48 | jonmason | there is always someone that wants to use others work and put nothing in |
| 21:37.59 | fray | or more to the point when that guy comes in, takes your work and tries to hide it... thats when copyleft is brought in by communities.. |
| 21:38.13 | fray | 'users' are ones who take work and dont contribute back.. but even that is ok.. |
| 21:38.18 | fray | it's the leeches that are the problem.. |
| 21:38.25 | fray | embrace/extend/hide |
| 21:38.26 | Crofton | preach it brother! |
| 21:38.47 | jonmason | lots of legal cases where people are using creative commons pics and putting the in ads and newspapers |
| 21:38.54 | fray | some communities have embraced the leech.. others have said 'no'.. |
| 21:39.12 | fray | copyleft style is for those that decide 'no'.. |
| 21:39.20 | fray | (but int he end it is up to the community to decide) |
| 21:39.56 | jonmason | I have usb working now (stupidly no kernel support, seems to be working when added) |
| 21:40.21 | kergoth | i'm skeptical of the value of gpl more than i used to be. if "complying" is t hrowing up a random tarball on their web server that no one will ever touch, I'm not sure I care, it's not really participating in the community, the value of that isn't that great really.. |
| 21:40.23 | fray | my personal preference is GPLv2 for things I think others will find useful and maybe even re-use... while BSD-like is great for sample code someone might want to include in their own work, but doesn't really have much of a value on it's own |
| 21:41.04 | fray | kergoth, I look at RPi.. if it wasn't for the GPLv2, their kernel patches would get hidden.. since they sure as hell have no desire to work with the actual kernel.. but by posting their 'tarball' (equivalent) it means others can work on and contribute them |
| 21:41.07 | kergoth | it's nice for stuff shipping on devices, for the owner of said devices, though |
| 21:41.10 | jonmason | kergoth: but then the community can decide to take that tarball. while not optimal, its something |
| 21:41.31 | jonmason | fray: exactly |
| 21:41.44 | fray | exaactly.. I think the forced tarball is a happy medium.. IF the broader community cares, they can take it themselves.. if they don't then the cost as low on the 'leech' side |
| 21:41.45 | Crofton | the pi people are very disappointing |
| 21:41.48 | kergoth | not saying there's no value, just skeptical as to how much. the kernel is an obvious important case |
| 21:42.00 | kergoth | how they happened to patch busybox or wget, yeah, couldn't care less |
| 21:42.16 | fray | and I don't like the GPLv3 where certain things are required that IMHO shouldn't be.. but that is more philisophical IMHO.... |
| 21:42.17 | jonmason | I 100% agree with the origin of BSD. If tax paers pay for it, it should be free for eoneone and everything in every way |
| 21:42.32 | fray | I don't care so much about 'freedom to modify', as I do 'freedom to get the source and use it elsewhere' |
| 21:43.07 | kergoth | depends on the particular perspective, i think. as an open source developer more than latter, as a user of a device, the former takes on more importance |
| 21:43.15 | jonmason | I'd love for a device I own to be modifyable by be (though it is a violation of the DMCA) |
| 21:43.43 | jonmason | I do think there is a market for purely open devices |
| 21:43.45 | kergoth | jonmason: that's less of an issue than it used to be, at least for particular classes of devices. right to repair legislation has made strides over the past year |
| 21:44.06 | kergoth | https://ifixit.org/blog/11951/1201-copyright-final-rule/ |
| 21:44.33 | kergoth | still a ways to go, of course, but it's a good start |
| 21:44.44 | jonmason | there is still the ability, which corp funding, to make it illegal again. |
| 21:44.54 | jonmason | ok, I'm getting tinfoil hat on |
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| 21:45.33 | fray | but I consider the GPLv2 a 'right to re-use'... and GPLv3 as 'right to modify'... BSD is 'I'm willing to share'... |
| 21:45.46 | fray | I'd love if everything was 'right to modify', but I'm not hung up on that |
| 21:45.53 | Crofton | all this hippy talk |
| 21:46.12 | fray | Crofton, that is BSD... :) |
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| 21:47.05 | kergoth | I use MIT or GPLv2, depending on the project. Though I can see where Apache would be helpful |
| 21:47.06 | Crofton | I suppose |
| 21:47.33 | Crofton | My time, GPL. If you want me use to use a permissive license, you pay. Through the nose |
| 21:47.40 | fray | every license has a 'point'.. the key is who and what does it represent.. |
| 21:48.15 | fray | for the original authors of the code, I may complain about their choice, but in the end I do respect their choice.. |
| 21:48.28 | fray | just don't do it in bad faith cause you made a decision and then decided you don't like it years alter |
| 21:49.43 | Crofton | anyone else going to the LF Leadership thing? |
| 21:54.41 | jonmason | Crofton: seems like a no |
| 21:54.51 | Crofton | yeah |
| 21:55.07 | Crofton | I need more professional polos |
| 21:55.25 | jonmason | OE golf hats |
| 21:55.32 | Crofton | lol |
| 21:55.33 | Crofton | no |
| 21:55.34 | Crofton | no |
| 21:55.48 | jonmason | OE ties, I know a company that makes custom ties |
| 21:55.50 | fray | do you need leadership training trips to Hawaii? |
| 21:56.05 | Crofton | I know a guy on the big island |
| 21:56.20 | jonmason | leadership training in Bangkok |
| 21:56.39 | Crofton | but seriosuly, I will be at leadership thing and if you ahve ideas for me to share with thgouht leaders, let me know |
| 21:56.58 | fray | get the various LF projects to actually consider working -together- on things |
| 21:57.05 | Crofton | already there |
| 21:57.27 | jonmason | getting all LF things to use OE as their build system |
| 21:57.41 | Crofton | dont be so obvious |
| 22:05.28 | jonmason | and give Crofton $$$$ |
| 22:05.44 | jonmason | or is that too obvious? |
| 22:10.24 | Crofton | hah |
| 22:10.32 | Crofton | not me directly of course |
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