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| 08:02.40 | ejoerns | Hi |
| 08:02.44 | ejoerns | is there any option to let a site.conf flow into an OE build automatically from the build host? |
| 08:02.58 | ejoerns | I would have expected that pre-setting BBPATH to a hosts conf file location would solve that, but it seems to be overwritten unconditionally and there is only a 'bypass' for the TOPDIR lookup. |
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| 14:40.04 | RP | ejoerns: that is a harder problem to solve than you'd think, I think there is an open bug about it |
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| 15:07.51 | kergoth | In the past I've handled that via adjusting the templateconf, i.e. inject ~/.oe into the BBPATH via the template bblayers.conf. But there's a big prblem with loading files external to your build directory â it's easy to forget they're being used later on, and then you wonder where the hell something is coming from |
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| 15:16.54 | ejoerns | RP: too bad, but I already assumed handling to be semi-trivial when scrolling through the code :( |
| 15:17.26 | ejoerns | kergoth, yes, thus I really wanted to use it only for site-specific settings! ;) |
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| 15:25.49 | RP | ejoerns: I would quite like to make it work, I just ran into roadblocks last time I tried |
| 15:26.50 | kergoth | I'd like to see a note printed about site.conf being loaded, as a special case, either always or when it's loaded from a location outside of $TOPDIR and $COREBASE/.., if we go that direction |
| 15:27.19 | RP | kergoth: yes, as you say its all too easy to do something interesting |
| 15:27.51 | kergoth | i had it loading it by default at mentor, and multiple engineers ended up forgetting about it at some point :) |
| 15:28.00 | kergoth | minor thing, but worth keeping in mind |
| 15:28.24 | RP | kergoth: I can see it happening all too easily... |
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| 15:41.11 | moto-timo | kergoth +1 |
| 15:42.01 | moto-timo | I really need site.conf or something similar to make my workflow sane. I change local.conf to exactly the same foo too often and I hate repetition |
| 15:42.35 | moto-timo | but that foo is my own configuration, not the team's, so local.conf.sample doesn't scale |
| 15:44.04 | moto-timo | I actually end up in the reverse of forgetting where settings came from, I assume they were set and they weren't because I forgot to setup local.conf |
| 15:44.13 | moto-timo | facepalm |
| 15:44.22 | kergoth | ha |
| 15:44.26 | kergoth | oops |
| 15:44.54 | moto-timo | I'll admit I am not spending enough time to sharpen my tools |
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| 15:57.46 | rburton | moto-timo: site.conf in a meta-moto-timo +++ |
| 15:58.07 | rburton | meta-ross has a site.conf which sets a few useful global assignments |
| 15:58.26 | wakko | hello |
| 15:58.28 | moto-timo | rburton: of course! sigh. blind spot |
| 15:58.54 | kergoth | not a bad idea, need to remember to add it to your bblayers every time of course, unless you add it to the template, but not a bad idea |
| 15:59.11 | moto-timo | but running bblayers is easy and I do it anyway |
| 15:59.23 | moto-timo | I mean bitbake-layers add-layer of course |
| 16:00.16 | wakko | i am trying to run bitbake in an alpine container, but it fails on the 8th task "OSError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe" could this be cgroup limit somewhere ? or somethign else ? |
| 16:00.39 | wakko | in worker.serve() |
| 16:13.01 | wakko | found the problem... |
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| 18:38.40 | khem | wakko: +1 for alpine container, we have never yet build OE on non-glibc systems |
| 18:39.50 | moto-timo | wakko: could you send a comment to github.com/crops/yocto-dockerfiles ? or create an issue asking for alpine based container |
| 18:40.07 | moto-timo | wakko: we have been planning for that as officially supported but just didn't do it yet |
| 18:40.35 | khem | it might be interesting, especially with pseudo |
| 18:41.09 | moto-timo | rewitt has said multiple times that he thinks alpine is what the containers should be based on for BKM |
| 18:41.48 | khem | pseudo is sticky bit, few years ago I use to taunt Electric Cloud on these kind of tools now we have one |
| 18:41.59 | moto-timo | it might also be interesting to do it with AUH and run all the default machines, including qemux86_musl which is the biggest miss for most devs |
| 18:42.17 | khem | rewitt might say anything |
| 18:42.22 | moto-timo | lol |
| 18:42.50 | moto-timo | khem: have you had a chance to look at the state of the bitbake world failures on qemux86? most of those are musl problems |
| 18:43.13 | moto-timo | khem: and I just don't have time to look at them all. I look at the one's I know about or care about |
| 18:43.21 | khem | what is your view of world ? poky or enlarged view |
| 18:43.37 | moto-timo | in this case literally what JaMa/armpit are running |
| 18:44.01 | khem | ok, yes I look at those often and fix as I find that 25th hr |
| 18:44.31 | moto-timo | understood. just wanted to make sure you were aware there are musl problems being uncovered |
| 18:44.39 | khem | the one's left are actually not musl's problems, and they need some ninja level understanding of those codebases |
| 18:44.47 | moto-timo | we need some more people looking at that |
| 18:44.55 | khem | some of these codebases are older than me |
| 18:45.12 | moto-timo | oh. I didn't catch the ninja problems... did not look close enough |
| 18:45.16 | moto-timo | yeah. ancient |
| 18:45.32 | khem | yes, I have a musl world build that I run for rpi3 whenever machine is bored |
| 18:46.01 | moto-timo | I just want to spread the work around to more devs. AUH running qemux86_musl helps |
| 18:46.04 | khem | oe-core world builds are clean for musl |
| 18:46.09 | moto-timo | right |
| 18:46.13 | khem | and for all arches |
| 18:46.16 | moto-timo | right |
| 18:46.32 | khem | on AB we only test x86 for musl but thats ok |
| 18:46.58 | moto-timo | baby steps :) |
| 18:47.36 | tbr | khem: as the topic is libcs, out of curiosity, did you ever try bionic and OE together? |
| 18:47.43 | khem | this baby is almost 2 years old now |
| 18:48.15 | moto-timo | and yet some are not aware it was born |
| 18:48.18 | moto-timo | lol |
| 18:48.18 | khem | tbr: whats benefit of bionic |
| 18:48.45 | khem | I think I should market more code less |
| 18:48.47 | tbr | khem: if one would want to recycle some binary only stuff that came with a device |
| 18:49.14 | tbr | most prominently graphics drivers |
| 18:49.20 | moto-timo | The Khem musl and clang Road Show, coming soon to a town near you |
| 18:49.30 | khem | tbr: bionic is too much androidware so if we were to build android'ish distro it might be interesting |
| 18:50.07 | khem | tbr: there are now shims available for musl to run glibc based precompiled binaries which is sort of cool |
| 18:50.42 | khem | moto-timo: yeah, I should get my lederhosen and wide brimmed hat |
| 18:51.06 | tbr | khem: yeah, I agree. It's just something that has been going around in my mind. E.g. the Hikey960 has zero proper graphics support for glibc, only the android builds. |
| 18:51.11 | moto-timo | khem: and grow a manly beard |
| 18:51.25 | moto-timo | long hipster beard |
| 18:51.28 | tbr | of course there is libhybris, but that's kinda meh |
| 18:51.56 | moto-timo | thinks musl and clang should be cartoon characters |
| 18:52.26 | khem | one of these days someone must design an opensource GPU and put things to rest |
| 18:53.03 | moto-timo | hopes the RISC-V people will do that |
| 18:53.15 | moto-timo | and i want a pony |
| 18:55.05 | khem | moto-timo: yes, days of opensource are beginning in h/w realm so interesting things will happen |
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| 19:32.37 | behanw | khem: My question to you is with musl being available, is there much point in using (or extending bionic to be POSIX) anymore? |
| 19:32.48 | behanw | Other than just "'cuz"? |
| 19:33.24 | behanw | bionic seems to solve the reason it was created: to make the Android system C code work. |
| 19:33.41 | behanw | musl has a grander scheme. To be an alternative to glibc. |
| 19:35.13 | khem | behanw: yes, if you have andoid things that you want to work on non android systems |
| 19:35.20 | khem | fairly narrow area |
| 19:35.28 | behanw | Fair enough. |
| 19:35.37 | behanw | But indeed a niche answer. ;) |
| 19:35.49 | behanw | khem: musl has impressed the hell out of me. |
| 19:36.00 | khem | but I would rather then implement a wrapper on top of musl ldso |
| 19:36.21 | khem | yes musl is KISS |
| 19:36.50 | khem | no meltdown or spectre if we follow KISS :) |
| 19:38.36 | khem | see https://github.com/adelielinux/gcompat |
| 19:38.54 | khem | for bionic we need to replace 'g' with 'b' |
| 19:39.00 | khem | how hard would that be :) |
| 19:46.07 | wakko | so you are interested in alpine container as a host for building oe distros ? |
| 19:46.28 | wakko | i though it was a stupid idea as oe can/could produce its own host |
| 19:47.14 | wakko | then i might look further into my problem (still not fixed) the ld from musl is giving me a segfault atm |
| 19:49.03 | wakko | python[28055]: segfault at 564300000000 ip 00007f745847e6c7 sp 00007ffe24a49038 error 4 in ld-musl-x86_64.so.1[7f745842e000+89000] |
| 19:53.59 | wakko | (1/3) Upgrading musl (1.1.18-r2 -> 1.1.18-r3) |
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