| 00:02.08 | NU-Slacker | Riddle me this, Batman: if you are writing a bbappend and doing an _*pend on a task, is there any way to specify that you want the function you are writing to be python or shell or must you match what the underlying recipe is using? |
| 00:03.38 | bluelightning | NU-Slacker: it must match |
| 00:03.54 | bluelightning | NU-Slacker: since you are just appending/prepending to the value |
| 00:04.08 | bluelightning | NU-Slacker: however, if you want some more flexibility you can instead use a prefunc/postfunc |
| 00:04.25 | bluelightning | which can be either shell or python regardless of what the main function is |
| 00:17.29 | NU-Slacker | Is there any dis/advantage to the prefunc vs _append? |
| 00:20.14 | rburton1 | prefunc/postfunc is cleaner and more logical |
| 00:26.08 | NU-Slacker | Understood. So two major disadvantages. |
| 00:32.49 | NU-Slacker | Looks like that functionality is not too widely used in the wild apart from a couple bbclasses. Now I dont feel as bad for not finding it. |
| 00:34.04 | rburton1 | yeah most people use appends as they're simpler, sort of |
| 00:34.18 | rburton1 | if you've more than "delete a file that was installed" to do, a postfunc is neater |
| 00:34.23 | rburton1 | -> bed |
| 00:35.26 | NU-Slacker | I thought _append was simpler too until I started getting parse errors all over the place. |
| 00:38.16 | bluelightning | NU-Slacker: I presume that's because of python vs. shell or python with incompatible indentation ? |
| 00:41.59 | NU-Slacker | bluelightning: Yup. All of those in turn. |
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| 09:05.27 | Jin^eLD | morning |
| 09:07.11 | mckoan | Jin^eLD: gm |
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| 11:53.47 | Crofton|work | fray, where did you upload the getting started tool? |
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| 14:02.28 | tasslehoff | Is there a way I can install all the dependencies that e.g. qtbase would install in an image, but remove the qt-packages? |
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| 14:04.46 | rburton | not trivially |
| 14:06.07 | tasslehoff | rburton: ok. we're stuck on an old version, so we built a new qt we inject in /opt ourselves. would like to remove the old one, but keep icu and the other stuff needed. |
| 14:16.09 | Crofton|work | https://www.patreon.com/tanuk |
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| 15:08.20 | tasslehoff | rburton: solved by comparing the manifest and adding the packages that disappeared :) |
| 15:08.59 | rburton | tasslehoff: why not upgrade the qt in your layers? |
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| 15:16.51 | tasslehoff | rburton: because we are stuck at dylan with linux 2.6.39 & systemd 204. I've made some attempts at newer versions without success. |
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| 15:17.21 | tasslehoff | the hardware has an omap3530 |
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| 18:48.54 | Crofton|work | fray, I'm about to try wr setup tool |
| 18:49.04 | Crofton|work | prepare for stream of conciousness bitching! |
| 18:49.31 | Crofton|work | also, I proose the name "Torte" |
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| 20:53.06 | Crofton|work | Marex, any intention of updating u-boot recipe to 2017.01 |
| 20:53.15 | Crofton|work | for oe-core? |
| 21:04.14 | Marex | Crofton|work: yeah, it's in the todo, but expect UART breakage on OMAP |
| 21:06.58 | Marex | Crofton|work: kinda tempted to wait for 2016.03 ... do you need 01 for some reason ? |
| 21:07.16 | Marex | *2017.03 |
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| 21:11.44 | Crofton|work | balmes fischerm |
| 21:11.54 | Crofton|work | also, you have to thinnk about release timing for YP |
| 21:13.44 | bluelightning | the question there is will it make end of M3 |
| 21:13.45 | Marex | Crofton|work: fischerm is a great boxing bag, yeah |
| 21:14.02 | Marex | Crofton|work: what's the deadline ? |
| 21:14.05 | Crofton|work | bluelightning, this is why I am prodding Marex |
| 21:14.22 | bluelightning | I'll look it up, one sec |
| 21:14.29 | bluelightning | (I really should know...) |
| 21:14.40 | Crofton|work | unsure, I tried reading YP status, but they don't say simple things like finsih this now :) |
| 21:14.49 | Marex | Crofton|work: +1 |
| 21:15.04 | Marex | Crofton|work: YP roadmap is like spaceflight planing ;-/ |
| 21:15.10 | Crofton|work | lol |
| 21:15.20 | bluelightning | 27 Feb is M3 freeze |
| 21:15.26 | bluelightning | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Yocto_2.3_Schedule |
| 21:15.41 | Crofton|work | so any upgrades need to be done by M3? |
| 21:15.43 | Marex | 2017.03 is planned for 20170313 |
| 21:15.51 | bluelightning | as usual, deadlines are not as far away as one might hope |
| 21:15.52 | Marex | damn |
| 21:16.11 | Crofton|work | 2017.01 can include patch for ompa bustage |
| 21:16.21 | Crofton|work | recipe that is |
| 21:16.23 | Marex | Crofton|work: well I don't want to lug a patch around for a release :/ |
| 21:16.24 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: typically yes, we have made exceptions on a case-by-case basis |
| 21:16.37 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: depends what the impact is either way |
| 21:16.39 | Crofton|work | bluelightning, lets beat Marex until he cries |
| 21:16.53 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: you are violent today :p |
| 21:16.57 | Crofton|work | smiles |
| 21:17.01 | Marex | Crofton|work: I'll ask mranostay to help me defend ... |
| 21:17.06 | Crofton|work | lol |
| 21:17.22 | Crofton|work | anyway, I believe we hav eeducated him about the challenges |
| 21:17.40 | Marex | well, can we make an exception for the 2017.03 so we don't have to lug around a special patch ? |
| 21:17.47 | Marex | I'd much prefer that |
| 21:18.01 | Crofton|work | get denix to help lobby |
| 21:18.09 | Crofton|work | and make damn sure it works |
| 21:18.24 | bluelightning | start a thread on the ML, cc denix, rburton & RP |
| 21:18.31 | Crofton|work | but really doing 2017.01 + patch as backup isn;t a bad plan |
| 21:19.09 | Crofton|work | gets more testing in interim |
| 21:19.20 | Crofton|work | and ou have a backup if .03 goes south |
| 21:19.37 | Marex | Crofton|work: or a patch can be added to meta-ti ;-) |
| 21:19.49 | Crofton|work | I'll let you and deni argue |
| 21:20.03 | fischerm | Marex: at any point in time something will be broken in u-boot |
| 21:20.07 | Crofton|work | but there is a beagle thing in meta-yocto-bsop, so they woul dneed it there |
| 21:20.14 | Marex | fischerm: please stop contributing ... |
| 21:20.19 | fischerm | Marex: :) |
| 21:20.26 | Marex | hehe |
| 21:20.31 | Crofton|work | the point is, Who would break OMAP in a u-boot release? |
| 21:20.48 | fischerm | for once didn't break it |
| 21:20.53 | Marex | Crofton|work: ah darn, omap in yp bsp sucks |
| 21:21.10 | fischerm | any software at any point is broken |
| 21:21.47 | Marex | Crofton|work: welllllll, about that ... |
| 21:21.48 | Crofton|work | every thing is broken, lets all give up and have a beer |
| 21:22.19 | Marex | Crofton|work: I guess things should be good in 2017.03 , so yeah ... |
| 21:22.43 | Marex | Crofton|work: besides, the UART breakage is kinda subtle and only happens if you use very long lines or type very fast iirc |
| 21:22.52 | bluelightning | I guess the thing with u-boot is the consequences of it being broken can be a bit more serious depending on the device |
| 21:23.22 | Marex | bluelightning: which is why so many people update u-boot so often |
| 21:23.26 | Crofton|work | we need more people using u-boot from oe-core and fewer using evil vendor u-boots in bsp |
| 21:23.40 | Marex | Crofton|work: +10000000 |
| 21:23.57 | denix | I'd rather prefer a know issue now (.01) than a whole bunch of unknown later (.03) |
| 21:24.01 | Marex | Crofton|work: and if they need EVU , it should be at least somehow based on the one in core |
| 21:24.08 | Marex | denix: +1 |
| 21:24.09 | Crofton|work | so keeping it current in oe-core is good, and understanding when freezes occur in oe is also good |
| 21:24.18 | denix | s/know/known/ |
| 21:24.52 | Marex | I'll try to set up the build test tonight (for 2017.01 update) |
| 21:24.56 | Crofton|work | pick a version, add recipe, fix issues that come from tesing with backports of fixes |
| 21:24.59 | Crofton|work | repeat |
| 21:25.04 | Crofton|work | each release |
| 21:25.10 | Crofton|work | patches go to zero in time |
| 21:25.31 | Crofton|work | Marex, thanks |
| 21:25.38 | Crofton|work | fischerm, while buy you some anime |
| 21:25.48 | Crofton|work | fischerm, will buy you some anime |
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| 21:29.08 | RP | Marex: if everyone asked for their special upgrade to have an exception, we'd never manage a release :( |
| 21:29.38 | RP | Marex: you have no idea how hard it is to stablise and these "I promise my upgrade won't break things" usually doesn't turn out to be true |
| 21:33.20 | Crofton|work | cracks the whip |
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| 21:37.18 | RP | Crofton|work: I'm having a very bad day so I'd be careful ;-) |
| 21:37.53 | Crofton|work | I mean on Marex |
| 21:38.08 | Crofton|work | House hasn't washed away? |
| 21:42.52 | Marex | RP: you certainly do come across as having a bad day ;-/ |
| 21:43.27 | fischerm | RP: Marex can hug you if you want |
| 21:43.32 | fischerm | cracks the whip |
| 21:43.50 | Marex | fischerm: don't rip your brown paper bag, junior :) |
| 21:44.00 | Marex | puts fischerm in place ... |
| 21:44.20 | fischerm | Marex: grow a beard before calling me junior |
| 21:44.50 | Marex | fischerm: ok, that one cracked me up :D |
| 21:45.38 | RP | Crofton|work: no, house is still standing thankfully :) |
| 21:45.56 | RP | was admiring some new cracks in bit of it earlier but that is to be expected |
| 21:46.08 | Crofton|work | hmm |
| 21:46.25 | Crofton|work | ignore the young guys, needed to get them sorted out over u-boot |
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