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| 08:41.14 | dev1 | hi. I have an embedded system and I have two mini pcie wireless cards that I can use, DHXA-222 and WPEA-121N. If I connect WPEA-121N alone into the board, the system recognizes it without any problem. However, if I plug only DHXA-222, it doesn't show up anywhere, neither in dmesg nor in lspci. |
| 08:41.49 | dev1 | I have two mini pcie slots on the board. If I connect both at the same time, none of the are recognized. Could anyone help me out what the problem could be here? |
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| 09:34.59 | bluelightning | morning all |
| 09:45.46 | nerdboy | i can't help it if people don't believe me... |
| 09:46.16 | nerdboy | "morning all" and then he sneaks off to steal all the donuts |
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| 10:05.12 | nerdboy | hey woglinde |
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| 10:05.54 | nerdboy | insert comma or something... |
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| 17:34.18 | nerdboy | moin |
| 17:34.39 | woglinde | hi nerdboy |
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| 19:38.44 | nerdboy | can't help but chuckle at the antics |
| 19:39.10 | nerdboy | melodrama? |
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| 20:47.06 | Crofton | anyone know if the default install of dnsmasq will hand out dhcp addresses with the default install |
| 20:47.23 | Crofton | I'd prefer it not work until the user provides reasonable config |
| 21:02.54 | khem` | it does |
| 21:03.03 | khem` | or it did in past |
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| 21:23.47 | nerdboy | that would be less than optimal for first bring-up on a lan... |
| 21:24.08 | nerdboy | remebers some campus horror stories of just that |
| 21:24.27 | nerdboy | *remembers even |
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| 22:55.52 | Crofton | tried to remember how to request pacthes be moved to dizzy |
| 22:57.47 | Crofton | otavio, do you and armpit take requests to cherry-pick specific git hashes for dizzy? |
| 22:58.42 | otavio | Crofton: for what? |
| 22:59.05 | otavio | Crofton: meta-fsl-arm, meta-oe, meta-qt5, meta-java and meta-fsl-arm-extra I do :) |
| 22:59.13 | otavio | Crofton: ah, meta-browser as well |
| 22:59.24 | Crofton | meta-python |
| 22:59.26 | Crofton | hmm |
| 22:59.32 | Crofton | better shceck that README |
| 22:59.33 | otavio | Crofton: meta-oe |
| 22:59.35 | otavio | Crofton: so yes |
| 23:00.05 | Crofton | I need to check my pyqt stuff |
| 23:00.23 | Crofton | but I am getting lots of requests from customers that I can fix by moving it to dizzy |
| 23:00.35 | Crofton | I was trying to stall for next release :) |
| 23:02.45 | otavio | Crofton: makes sense. |
| 23:03.09 | otavio | Crofton: so please prepare an email with the details and hashes which need cherry-pick |
| 23:03.17 | Crofton | it did, for a while |
| 23:03.28 | otavio | Crofton: add myself and armin |
| 23:03.32 | otavio | Crofton: really? |
| 23:03.42 | otavio | Crofton: have the message-id? |
| 23:03.46 | Crofton | the stalling :) |
| 23:03.56 | Crofton | I need to make sure it is one commit |
| 23:05.56 | otavio | Crofton: sorry but I didn't follow you |
| 23:06.40 | nerdboy | Crofton: shhh... you're giving away all the secrets... |
| 23:14.26 | Crofton | otavio, I was trying to avoid asking for pyqt in dizzy by waiting for the next release. But too many requests coming in |
| 23:15.11 | Crofton | oh crao |
| 23:15.22 | Crofton | my vms broke on update |
| 23:16.06 | Crofton | weird |
| 23:16.12 | Crofton | 2 of 3 work |
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| 23:26.03 | Crofton | wew |
| 23:26.09 | Crofton | fixed |
| 23:26.24 | Crofton | nerdboy, that was you helping with the talk at SCALE? |
| 23:27.00 | nerdboy | i wrote the talk at scale... |
| 23:27.14 | nerdboy | the yocto crash course one and the arm embedded one |
| 23:27.19 | Crofton | cool |
| 23:27.32 | Crofton | otavio, It is a set of three patches for pyqt |
| 23:27.40 | nerdboy | stephanie did usb quirks and buid root vs. oe |
| 23:28.09 | Crofton | Do you know id the build root versus OE one is online? |
| 23:28.22 | otavio | Crofton: so people send this to us once again |
| 23:28.29 | otavio | Crofton: and add me on cc |
| 23:28.32 | nerdboy | Crofton: i will be there to irritate you next month |
| 23:28.44 | nerdboy | er, "encourage" you... |
| 23:28.56 | Crofton | nerdboy, thanks |
| 23:29.15 | nerdboy | the scale stuff is supposed to be but i don't know where yet |
| 23:29.17 | Crofton | otavio, I'm glad I checked before making a fool of myself :) |
| 23:29.26 | nerdboy | our stuff is on github mostly |
| 23:29.58 | Crofton | Thomas Pettazoni (I'm sure I amngled his name) is interested in the OE vs BR talk |
| 23:32.40 | otavio | I would do |
| 23:32.42 | nerdboy | Crofton: hang on a few and she'll push them to the crash-course repo |
| 23:33.50 | Crofton | I'm hoping fo rvideo |
| 23:34.02 | Crofton | ka6sox, any insight into SCALE videos? |
| 23:34.15 | nerdboy | nm, she says check repo tomorrow (think she's onsite with customer now) |
| 23:34.57 | nerdboy | there should be for hers, but not for my embedded talk... |
| 23:35.29 | nerdboy | https://github.com/VCTLabs/yocto-crash-course |
| 23:35.51 | nerdboy | video i mean |
| 23:36.36 | Crofton | thanks |
| 23:39.10 | nerdboy | np |
| 23:39.27 | otavio | Crofton: did you see bluelightning proposal about the devtool integration? |
| 23:39.44 | Crofton | I skimmed it |
| 23:39.58 | otavio | I disliked the way it is being integrated |
| 23:39.59 | Crofton | look slike there is discussion about how this differs from existing sdk support |
| 23:40.06 | Crofton | I saw the emails |
| 23:40.28 | otavio | it does |
| 23:40.38 | otavio | but from user point of view it is not different |
| 23:40.45 | otavio | it is just the tooling |
| 23:41.04 | otavio | and it will be quite confusing to explain to usrs the differences |
| 23:41.07 | otavio | :-( |
| 23:41.12 | Crofton | the issue is bitbake -c populate_sdk vs populate_sdk_ext |
| 23:41.20 | otavio | not only |
| 23:41.31 | otavio | we ought to be able to 'tune' the SDK |
| 23:41.41 | otavio | and add/remove features |
| 23:42.28 | nerdboy | as in SDK_IMAGE_FEATURES ? |
| 23:42.30 | Crofton | and we are pushing up against the release so there is time pressure to ge this in |
| 23:42.42 | otavio | To be honest, I think it is very late in the cycle |
| 23:43.02 | otavio | for me this should not be merged so late in the cycle |
| 23:43.22 | nerdboy | wouldn't start on that at end of cycle |
| 23:43.38 | nerdboy | beginning maybe |
| 23:43.48 | otavio | we should have smething in line of merge window |
| 23:43.59 | otavio | of 3 or 4 weeks |
| 23:44.05 | otavio | and done. |
| 23:44.07 | otavio | Bugfixes |
| 23:44.56 | Crofton | it feels like we have a bad habit of developing stuff starting after a release, then merging late |
| 23:45.09 | Crofton | and everyone having a lot of time pressure, forcing merges |
| 23:45.16 | otavio | Yes. This is bad |
| 23:45.24 | otavio | and we have suffered a lot in last cycle |
| 23:45.54 | otavio | and YP and OE are huge enough and more and more people and companies are relying on it |
| 23:46.00 | otavio | so we ought to be stable |
| 23:47.58 | Crofton | basically, if it goes in now, my suspiciion is that there will be a ot of backports to make it work |
| 23:48.32 | otavio | Worse. We may realize it is wrong and we will have a backward history on it |
| 23:50.27 | otavio | But the reason is not just the late in cycle; it is big enough to be risky of breaking things and the reference code has been released just now. So no time for comments / reviews and like. |
| 23:50.31 | otavio | So this is wrong. |
| 23:50.47 | nerdboy | previous workplace loved to squeeze test time and keep shoving things in |
| 23:50.53 | bluelightning | I am here, btw, you can talk to me... |
| 23:51.03 | bluelightning | FWIW, I have taken pains to implement it in a manner that _does not_ lead to breakage |
| 23:51.07 | nerdboy | kept telling them not to |
| 23:51.11 | otavio | bluelightning: I thought you were going in. So I highlighted you |
| 23:51.29 | bluelightning | otavio: had I in fact implemented it in the way you suggested, that would have been a big risk |
| 23:52.31 | nerdboy | apparently they had a conceptual problem code-freeze and a whole lot more... |
| 23:53.04 | Crofton | bluelightning, I figured it was way past your work hours |
| 23:53.08 | bluelightning | I agree, we do have a big problem with people rushing towards the end of a milestone, because it's get it in now, or wait until next release |
| 23:53.17 | otavio | bluelightning: as I said. I dislike the way it has been implemented. But this is not the biggest problem I am having ... this is the rushing |
| 23:53.32 | bluelightning | it's not a new problem |
| 23:53.34 | Crofton | we need to talk about the cycle |
| 23:53.39 | otavio | bluelightning: and Dizzy was a nightmare |
| 23:53.54 | otavio | bluelightning: we had several last minutes disrruptive changes |
| 23:54.04 | otavio | bluelightning: and seems we didn't learn from the past |
| 23:54.15 | otavio | bluelightning: and been driving in same direction |
| 23:54.30 | bluelightning | the schedule probably needs looking at, but I think if it says anything it says that we need more people to pitch in and help |
| 23:54.56 | bluelightning | we get precious little help on testing, for example |
| 23:55.11 | Crofton | I was going to say, wic started coming along because we used it from dizzy |
| 23:56.21 | nerdboy | where's schedule posted? |
| 23:56.36 | otavio | Crofton: agreed. But to be honest it would be good to have it more tested before merging. We had a lot of backports snce it was out |
| 23:57.00 | bluelightning | nerdboy: for the Yocto Project at least: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Yocto_1.8_Schedule |
| 23:57.17 | otavio | Crofton: if it were in now it wouldn't chage much as most people are starting to integrate the other BSPs now |
| 23:57.39 | bluelightning | FYI, we are at the end of M3, there is still the M4 stabilisation milestone to go |
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| 23:58.49 | nerdboy | was thinking we could do a test event maybe |
| 23:58.59 | nerdboy | "we" as in vct |
| 23:58.59 | Crofton | One of my related concerns is we will keep bolting things onto OE and not moving to a more modualr architecture |
| 23:59.36 | nerdboy | but we have two march conferences/commitments before 24 march |
| 23:59.45 | nerdboy | better after |
| 23:59.56 | Crofton | at any rate, this is a good OEDAM topic |