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| 00:36.47 | _oldtopman | Can someone here test an openembedded package for me? |
| 00:37.14 | _oldtopman | I don't think it works, so I'd like to patch it, yet I've heard that it wouldn't be distributed unless it built correctly. |
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| 00:59.52 | altker128 | Hey guys. I'm trying to make use of Bitbake to build images for an Intel Galileo board ; the BSP is based on Pokey |
| 01:00.39 | altker128 | The build is failing on OpenCV since version 2.4.3 can't be found anywhere . I've renamed the opencv_2.4.3.bb to 2.4.9.bb , under the meta-oe/meta-oe/recipies-support/opencv folder, any place else I need to modify? the build fails |
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| 01:06.50 | altker128 | Anyone alive? |
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| 01:34.29 | Crofton|work | yeah, but we are mostly a .eu/us left coast crowd |
| 01:34.43 | Crofton|work | and the left coast is winding down for the day |
| 02:15.40 | altker128 | Crofton|work: Ah, thanks. |
| 02:17.28 | Crofton|work | I'm guessing not many people have galileo boards yet either |
| 02:28.20 | altker128 | Yeah. None the less, can you confer upon me how the recipies are generally handled? |
| 02:28.29 | altker128 | The Galileo "port" is using Poky as a reference |
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| 03:56.10 | _oldtopman | altker128: I'm doing a lot of work on the Edison at the moment. What do you mean by "how the recipes are generally handled"? |
| 03:57.50 | altker128 | _oldtopman: Well, OpenCV is broken in the Galileo build ; it's referring to a version that can't be found on SourceForge. I just renamed the .bb file to reflect the new version -- is that "correct" ? |
| 03:59.34 | altker128 | And, if I just didn't want OpenCV in the build, is there some "smart tool" that let's me just remove it and let me know what dependencies will break in the process? |
| 04:04.34 | _oldtopman | altker128: Good question. I don't know where the selected by default packages-list is located, but if you found it, you could always remove opencv. |
| 04:05.05 | _oldtopman | I actually had to update irssi myself a little while ago, there's a little process, but it's not too hard (as long as the script worked in the first place) |
| 04:05.45 | _oldtopman | altker128: Can you throw the opencv .bb file on hastebin or somesuch? |
| 04:06.44 | altker128 | _oldtopman: The file itself looks OK, the error is about not being able to download the specified version (2.4.3) |
| 04:07.05 | altker128 | but the file itself doesn't reference the version, the only place I see the version reflected is in the name (opencv-2.4.3.bb) |
| 04:07.15 | altker128 | So that's why I was asking if what I did was "kosher" |
| 04:07.24 | _oldtopman | Did it work? |
| 04:07.33 | altker128 | No, it failed |
| 04:07.36 | altker128 | In another way |
| 04:07.45 | _oldtopman | altker128: Just throw it online so I can see. |
| 04:07.57 | altker128 | I've basically almost given up on this and plan to use Debian for Galileo. |
| 04:09.44 | altker128 | _oldtopman: one sec, let me run it again and give you the output |
| 04:10.27 | _oldtopman | altker128: Put the .bb online too - I can't help you debug a recipe that I don't have. |
| 04:11.03 | altker128 | k |
| 04:11.33 | altker128 | (Aside, depending on places like sourceforge.net or whatever and all these other random servers IMO is a mess) |
| 04:11.35 | altker128 | http://pastebin.com/gCNejvAv |
| 04:12.04 | altker128 | http://pastebin.com/wG2pp1PL |
| 04:12.54 | altker128 | http://pastebin.com/4rSBjUE0 |
| 04:13.07 | altker128 | First is the build failure, 2nd is the directory listing of the bb file, third is the bb file |
| 04:13.36 | altker128 | I suspect it's a naming issue but seriously renaming files to get it to grab the right download (if indeed that is what one is supposed to do) seems good in theory, fails in practice. |
| 04:15.27 | _oldtopman | No, it's set with PV, and I don't know where *that* is set from (was set in the .bb file in the other script I looked at) |
| 04:15.43 | _oldtopman | You can always do PV = <new version> |
| 04:15.52 | _oldtopman | And then adjust the SRC_URI to a working location. |
| 04:16.04 | _oldtopman | Then you have to recompute the md5sum and sha256sum for the new file. |
| 04:16.24 | _oldtopman | But the patch is clearly required, and I don't know if it will work on a new version. |
| 04:16.31 | altker128 | Christ... |
| 04:16.33 | _oldtopman | So you might want to track down the original version so that the patch works. |
| 04:16.47 | altker128 | _oldtopman: I've looked everywhere, I can't find it (first thing I did) |
| 04:17.04 | altker128 | It seems like all of this "stuff" should be managed by a front-end tool of sometime (maybe it exists) |
| 04:17.48 | _oldtopman | altker128: I've got a spiral bound notebook with twenty-four pages of stupid crap that I never should have had to write down in the first place, so don't lecture me on the complexities of oe. |
| 04:18.17 | _oldtopman | At the very least, it's very straightforwards, and you only have to look here to adjust the build for opencv. |
| 04:18.36 | _oldtopman | You could try getting a new recipe for opencv from the oe github - it might work. |
| 04:18.39 | altker128 | I have to ask, at this point, why bother, if you have 24 pages of stuff going? |
| 04:19.14 | altker128 | Buildroot seems a better approach to me (for embedded) or something like Debian. After all Galileo / Edison are x86, shouldn't this be easy? |
| 04:19.28 | _oldtopman | If I gave up everytime the going got rough, I wouldn't be here today. |
| 04:20.10 | altker128 | Well, I guess it depends on your goals. If five packages change, re-doing this stuff by hand (i.e. computing hashes, etc) is crazy |
| 04:20.23 | altker128 | And error prone |
| 04:21.34 | _oldtopman | If you don't like oe or its systems, then you're in the wrong place, and, more importantly, you have the wrong hardware on your desk. |
| 04:21.52 | _oldtopman | In the meantime, have a look-see at this here: https://github.com/openembedded/meta-openembedded/blob/e751af9f900834759e59ad2b46a7118a508069e4/meta-oe/recipes-support/opencv/opencv_2.4.bb |
| 04:22.22 | _oldtopman | This is the newest opencv recipe. Probably tested. Ostensibly works. No idea if it'll drop in, but you could start comparing the two and see how this new version operates. |
| 04:23.02 | altker128 | kergoth (Chris) is actually an old friend , but I don't think OE is right for what I need. |
| 04:24.19 | _oldtopman | Very rarely would it be, I imagine. It's very much like compiling a whole distro, rather than compiling bits for a larger system. |
| 04:24.44 | altker128 | Are you creating an OE port to Edison for fun? |
| 04:25.09 | kergoth | It absolutely does depend on your goals. oe is heavyweight. it has overhead and complexity. it provides a fair bit of benefit in return, but its definitely a matter of tradeoffs. long term distro maintenance is much easier than with buildroot, but i'd absolutely use buildroot for something quick or for board bringup or similar. IMO one of the biggest benefits is sharing development effort amongst multiple distros and multiple target platforms, eases |
| 04:25.09 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.21 | kergoth | that said, i feel like shooting bitbake in the face on a weekly basis, so.. tradeoffs :) |
| 04:25.22 | altker128 | Hey there kergoth |
| 04:25.25 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:26.27 | _oldtopman | altker128: No, intel uses yocto/oe by default, but I need to make a lot of changes to get a display working. Just need to get a display now :) |
| 04:26.37 | _oldtopman | (seeing as it has no video outs) |
| 04:28.37 | _oldtopman | kergoth: If you don't mind me asking, who are you? People don't normally name-drop lurkers :P |
| 04:30.04 | altker128 | One of the creators of OE... |
| 04:30.48 | kergoth | yeah, one of the founders, former maintainer |
| 04:31.05 | kergoth | i apologize for some of the crap in bitbake |
| 04:31.07 | kergoth | ;) |
| 04:32.29 | altker128 | Now I'm curious, are there any front-end tools to "easily" modify/handle creating of recipes, and build configs? |
| 04:33.26 | kergoth | there's a relatively new tool in oe-core called recipetool, whose create subcommand will create a starter recipe when given a url to its sources |
| 04:33.39 | kergoth | figures out which buildsystem it's using, tries to figure out the license, adds hte src uri checksums, etc |
| 04:33.50 | kergoth | not sure if thats what you're looking for or not, but it's quite useful |
| 04:34.57 | altker128 | I'm probably going to sound like a nut job, but it'd be the right move for OE to maintain it's own repos, OpenCV 2.4.3 has all but disappeared from SourceForge |
| 04:35.27 | kergoth | yocto does maintain a source mirror |
| 04:35.45 | altker128 | Earlier I ran into an issue of x264's Git repo changing stuff around, so the MD5 hash compare failed and nothing got built. |
| 04:35.57 | altker128 | (not your fault, just saying) |
| 04:38.14 | _oldtopman | tbh, I rather like the "pull source from elsewhere online" idea. The project shouldn't be responsible for hosting the tens of gigs of packages, and finding other urls isn't *too* hard. |
| 04:38.55 | _oldtopman | Also prevents the project from tampering with the sources, or ignoring future versions "because the included one just works" |
| 04:41.11 | _oldtopman | Hey kergoth, does anyone build all the packages in oe? |
| 04:41.35 | _oldtopman | (alternatively, how do I propose updates to a recipe) |
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| 08:37.34 | bluelightning | morning all |
| 08:38.33 | woglinde | hi bluelightning |
| 08:41.09 | mckoan | good morning and HNY |
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| 08:41.51 | woglinde | hi mckoan |
| 08:43.26 | pompomJuice | woglinde |
| 08:43.55 | pompomJuice | I am trying to install jvm on my device, alls fine but the process fails on one recipy on the do_fetch stage |
| 08:44.18 | pompomJuice | investigations revieled this command: |
| 08:44.28 | pompomJuice | -/usr/bin/env wget -t 2 -T 30 -nv --passive-ftp --no-check-certificate -P /home/griftw/w/setup-scripts/sources/downloads 'http://download.java.net/openjdk/jdk6/promoted/b18/openjdk-6-src-b18-16_feb_2010.tar.gz' |
| 08:44.36 | pompomJuice | but it just hangs |
| 08:44.46 | pompomJuice | when I enter the url into my browser it works |
| 08:45.02 | pompomJuice | all other downloads of the java recipies worked |
| 08:45.34 | pompomJuice | the recipy in question: meta-java/recipes-core/icedtea/icedtea6-native_1.8.11.bb |
| 08:45.41 | pompomJuice | anyway |
| 08:45.45 | pompomJuice | thought id mention |
| 08:45.49 | pompomJuice | im downloading it manually now |
| 08:47.04 | woglinde | pompomJuice sorry I can not fix your network problems |
| 08:47.12 | pompomJuice | actually |
| 08:47.20 | pompomJuice | entering that wget command worked |
| 08:47.38 | pompomJuice | but when bitbake runs it it errors out with: Fetch command failed with exit code 4, no output |
| 08:47.40 | pompomJuice | thanks anyway |
| 08:48.44 | koen | sounds like a firewall or proxy issue |
| 08:48.59 | woglinde | yes |
| 08:49.15 | woglinde | or http redirection |
| 08:49.38 | pompomJuice | actually it just seems bizarre again, extracting that wget and running it inside the console worked. It must have been network gremlins |
| 08:50.08 | pompomJuice | il add the .done file manually |
| 08:53.48 | woglinde | sure |
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| 09:54.10 | pompomJuice | meh java wont compile because of this error: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/openxt/T3cuV9eDIDY/jC93xw-TjTMJ |
| 09:54.20 | pompomJuice | 2015 issue |
| 09:55.19 | pompomJuice | iceadtea 10 year bug |
| 09:55.56 | woglinde | yes |
| 09:56.02 | suihkulokki | x) |
| 09:56.34 | woglinde | https://github.com/woglinde/meta-java/issues/81#issuecomment-68997031 |
| 09:56.53 | woglinde | feel free to update to 2.5.3 and send patches |
| 09:59.38 | pompomJuice | thanks |
| 09:59.49 | woglinde | thanks? |
| 09:59.54 | pompomJuice | for the info |
| 09:59.59 | pompomJuice | il just bbappend and patch |
| 10:00.03 | pompomJuice | I am to noob to contribute |
| 10:00.09 | woglinde | pfffff |
| 10:00.17 | pompomJuice | I have tried before but it consists of strange mailing lists and things I dont understand |
| 10:01.12 | woglinde | it is not harder than to get something into the linux-kernel |
| 10:24.52 | pompomJuice | openembedded is becoming such an awesome/easy system to use that even people like me who have no clue can use it effectively. I'm sorry I am not able to contribute. I would want to but the whole submission process is foreign to me. I simply don't know enough about open source to fix such an issue. In the mean time I am grateful for the people who do contribute. They are lifesavers. |
| 10:25.50 | koen | pompomJuice: are github pull requests that hard? |
| 10:25.59 | pompomJuice | I have done that before |
| 10:26.00 | koen | and most layers have #exactsteps in their README |
| 10:26.10 | pompomJuice | but I was told that is not the way to contribute |
| 10:26.17 | pompomJuice | I have done those too |
| 10:26.24 | koen | check the README in the layers |
| 10:26.24 | pompomJuice | I submitted my patch |
| 10:26.29 | pompomJuice | but I got no reply ever |
| 10:26.30 | koen | different layers have different rules |
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| 10:26.45 | pompomJuice | so I thought I must be doing something wrong |
| 10:26.55 | pompomJuice | I used some script to submit the patch, that was supplied. |
| 10:27.11 | pompomJuice | by that time someone else fixed the bug |
| 10:27.35 | pompomJuice | il try again |
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| 12:28.31 | Crofton|work | bluelightning, I'm going to ask for help with the stand, unless you are dyin gto do it :) |
| 12:42.22 | woglinde | crofton hm should I come to FOSDEM? |
| 12:42.56 | Crofton|work | of course! |
| 12:43.16 | Crofton|work | we have stand |
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| 12:51.06 | pwgen | hey all |
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| 12:51.28 | woglinde | crofton hm have to ask my wife |
| 12:52.40 | pwgen | has anyone experience with the nvidia tk1 board and bitbake ? |
| 12:53.47 | woglinde | pwgen? |
| 12:54.01 | pwgen | yupp |
| 12:54.09 | pwgen | its me after a long time .. |
| 12:54.11 | woglinde | as far as I know there is no layer firt the tegra stuff |
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| 12:54.43 | pwgen | i tried to bitbake on it, but its reporting an arm7l architecture, that bitbake can not find. |
| 12:55.16 | pwgen | i guess my ouya layer should work ... |
| 12:56.13 | woglinde | do not think so |
| 12:56.28 | woglinde | tk1 is more advanced than tegra3 |
| 12:58.43 | pwgen | but first will get bitbake running on it . btw impressive fast. 50 mb/s on a software raid over usb.... |
| 12:59.12 | woglinde | it has sata connections |
| 13:00.22 | pwgen | yes but only one. so i connected 3 drives to the usb3.0 connection and run raid 5 on it. this gives a cheap homeserver. |
| 13:00.50 | pwgen | approx 15 watt .. for all . |
| 13:05.48 | pwgen | i am not sure if i can visit FOSDEM . my third kid is on the way |
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| 13:14.09 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: ok thanks; I should probably have sent something by now |
| 13:14.33 | Crofton|work | well, no one is paying attention to anything in Dec :) |
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| 13:40.16 | mago_ | hello everyone |
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| 14:51.13 | bluelightning | fingers crossed that this php series is OK... |
| 14:52.46 | Crofton|work | fosdem stickers ordered |
| 14:52.53 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: thanks |
| 14:52.54 | Crofton|work | before I needed rush shipping |
| 14:53.31 | bluelightning | we did still have a bunch in the box at the end of last FOSDEM but I don't know if they got used up subsequently |
| 14:57.53 | Crofton|work | hmm |
| 14:57.57 | Crofton|work | that is true |
| 14:58.16 | Crofton|work | I am out in .us, well down to like 50 |
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| 15:09.58 | bluelightning | I guess we can never have too many stickers |
| 15:10.08 | mago_ | =) |
| 15:10.25 | mago_ | so you will be handing out stickers and bitbake advice at the FOSDEM OE stand, bluelightning ? :) |
| 15:10.30 | bluelightning | and the ones we have been having made are quite nice size-wise |
| 15:10.38 | bluelightning | mago_: yes, as usual :) |
| 15:10.53 | bluelightning | mago_: will you be coming to FOSDEM? |
| 15:12.22 | mago_ | well, i'd like to go but no plan so far. i've been a few times, like the concept although i'm no a student anymore so sitting at talks for several hours with very low air quality is tough :) |
| 15:12.57 | Crofton|work | embedded is in a large room now |
| 15:14.52 | mago_ | i remember when I attended ELC in the US, there were talks about the different types of companies in open source. One category was the "parasites" that only use and never contribute back to the community. I'm afraid the company that employs me does that, so i'm a little ashamed to go to these open source places (even though I try to send patches and bug reports on my spare time) |
| 15:14.59 | mago_ | =) |
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| 15:19.59 | bluelightning | I guess that's one way of looking at things, but to be honest I'd rather stay positive |
| 15:20.05 | bluelightning | we get a fair amount of contributions flowing into OE from folks who weren't under any obligation to do so, so I think things are relatively healthy in our community at least :) |
| 15:20.22 | Crofton|work | mago_, come and help at OE stand, that will help you atone for your sins :) |
| 15:20.35 | mago_ | hah :) |
| 15:20.47 | Crofton|work | there are many ways to contribute |
| 15:28.24 | mago_ | so what kind of things can i help out with? talking about OE, handing out stickers, poking bluelightning to fix my bug reports? :) |
| 15:29.05 | bluelightning | mago_: a lot of people who come to the stand have never heard of OE, so a lot of it's just about being able to concisely explain what OE is and does |
| 15:29.43 | bluelightning | then there are others who are attracted by the blinkenlights of the gadgets we have on the table and just want to know what they all are |
| 15:29.58 | bluelightning | if we're lucky a small few of those go the step further and ask about OE :) |
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| 15:31.28 | mago_ | will there be any OE talks? i'm looking at the schedule right now, doesn't seem to be updated recently |
| 15:32.36 | bluelightning | I'm sure I heard there was at least one, but I didn't have a look at the schedule |
| 15:33.23 | bluelightning | right, looks like the embedded devroom hasn't fully published the schedule yet |
| 15:38.53 | Crofton|work | yeah, I can see the stuff in pentabarf and it seems likely there will be some OE related talks in the embedded toom |
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| 16:38.11 | mago_ | bluelightning: when using oe-core/oe-init-build-env to setup the build, it always assume bitbake is located in oe-core/bitbake subdir. Why is this? Wouldn't it be easier to put bitbake outside other repos, so you don't taint them with files not checked in? (even though oe-core has bitbake in its .gitignore) |
| 16:39.42 | bluelightning | mago_: I think it's just been the easiest setup for people, to be honest |
| 16:40.16 | bluelightning | mago_: it is possible to specify the bitbake directory; it could be that it should automatically try .. if it can't be found in the current directory |
| 16:40.29 | mago_ | how so? i would agree that if bitbake was included as a git submodule in oe-core, then it would be useful.. but it's not |
| 16:42.10 | bluelightning | mago_: well, put it this way ... it's how we've done things up to this point ;) |
| 16:42.21 | bluelightning | not to say that's the best way |
| 16:42.57 | mago_ | if I do "BITBAKEDIR=~/mytree/bitbake . openembedded-core/oe-init-build-env ~/mytree/build", it works |
| 16:43.18 | mago_ | so i guess i could wrap that in a shell script |
| 16:44.20 | Crofton|work | mago_, when you run oe-init-build-env you can specify the location of bitbake |
| 16:44.32 | Crofton|work | . ./oe-init... ../build ../bitbake is what I do |
| 16:44.57 | mago_ | oh. that's useful. did not know that! |
| 16:45.31 | Crofton|work | I hated the layout with bitbake in oe-core :) |
| 16:45.53 | Crofton|work | now come to fosdem and help with the stand :) |
| 16:46.08 | mago_ | hah, well, i will ask my boss if i can go |
| 16:46.27 | Crofton|work | tell your boss you are going and he is paying :) |
| 16:46.37 | kergoth | bitbake isn't in oe-core, it's in poky, technically, though admittedly the latter looks like the former due to its layout :) |
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| 16:47.09 | bluelightning | technically bitbake is separate first and in poky second ;) |
| 16:48.38 | mago_ | Crofton|work: maybe if I scream and yell on the floor "BUT! EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING!!!11!" |
| 16:48.57 | bluelightning | haha |
| 16:48.58 | Crofton|work | :) |
| 16:49.06 | bencoh | aww |
| 16:50.19 | Crofton|work | goes to send an email |
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| 17:02.22 | mago_ | hm, weird. with the new bitbake (1.24), i get warnings that my "tmpdir is setgid", which is funny because bitbake itself created the directory. If I "chmod g-s tmp-glibc", it works.. but if bitbake doesn't want setgid bit set, it should probably avoid setting it when autocreating TMPDIR? |
| 17:05.20 | bluelightning | mago_: er... normal users shouldn't be able to set that bit by default, should they? |
| 17:05.32 | bluelightning | to be precise, a process running as a normal user |
| 17:06.00 | mago_ | not sure :) it does on my system |
| 17:06.13 | mago_ | if i rm -rf tmp-glibc, re-run bitbake, it creates a dir with setgid |
| 17:06.19 | mago_ | (not running as root or anything) |
| 17:06.25 | bluelightning | is the parent directory setgid perhaps? |
| 17:06.46 | mago_ | hm, it is |
| 17:06.52 | bluelightning | what's your umask? |
| 17:06.58 | mago_ | 2 |
| 17:07.27 | bluelightning | ok, I can only assume it's picked up from the parent... I don't quite know what the expected behaviour is there to be honest |
| 17:07.45 | mago_ | although, it could be because my dev tree sits on another fs mounted through fstab. I think root maybe owns the mountpoint |
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| 23:21.01 | lansiir | Anyone around who knows how packages get submitted/updated? |
| 23:21.07 | lansiir | s/packages/recipes |
| 23:24.19 | kroon | lansiir, patch sent to corresponding mailing list |
| 23:24.57 | lansiir | Corresponding? Which one should I send it to for an update in the irssi recipe? |
| 23:26.44 | kroon | lansiir, check the README in the git tepo |
| 23:28.05 | lansiir | Ah, nice! |
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