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| 07:51.55 | koen | kergoth`: congrats! |
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| 08:09.21 | mago_ | morning all |
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| 08:29.20 | ka6sox | kergoth` : Congrats! |
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| 09:39.18 | bluelightning | woglinde: you've sent Michael your public key right? |
| 09:46.28 | woglinde | bl yes I have |
| 09:48.37 | bluelightning | woglinde: great... let me know when you have access and we can make the move official |
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| 10:29.09 | diego_r | Hi all. Has anybody the chance to perform this quick test with openssh? http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2014-November/099342.html |
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| 12:04.50 | peteru | diego_r: That has not been my experience on most distros I used. |
| 12:05.12 | peteru | diego_r: Stopping the service will prevent new connections, but it does not terminate existing ones. |
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| 12:05.48 | peteru | diego_r: Just as well, otherwise you'd be screwed when trying to administer a box remotely. |
| 13:00.39 | mago_ | bluelightning: hey! |
| 13:05.33 | diego_r | peteru: I see. Anyhow, on Yocto it doesn't close the connection even on shutdown. I'd consider at least this a good practice, but on Yocto ssh connection don't get closed properly on shutdown, your ssh client just hangs there. |
| 13:06.02 | diego_r | do you consider that "normal" too? |
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| 13:19.10 | spaszkoPL | Hi quys, one more question. If i have a copy of ARM7 sysroot on my pc HDD, is it possible to install there .ipk package using my host machine? |
| 13:19.39 | spaszkoPL | sth like opkg <package> <destination sysroot> |
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| 13:20.08 | RP | spaszkoPL: was the sysroot created using a package manager like opkg? If not, you probably still can manually extract the files from an ipk to extend it |
| 13:20.35 | spaszkoPL | Sysroot was created using Angstrom 2013.12 and bitbake. |
| 13:20.37 | koen | which BSP supports arm7? that's a micro controller |
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| 13:22.09 | spaszkoPL | My mistake :I was thinking about Cortex-A7 not ARM7 |
| 13:23.22 | spaszkoPL | Ok so you suggest me to open .ipk by for example file roller and manually extract files? |
| 13:23.44 | Crofton|work | ARM alphabet soup :) |
| 13:24.41 | spaszkoPL | Ok i will check this solution - seems working. |
| 13:24.45 | spaszkoPL | thx :) |
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| 13:46.51 | spaszkoPL | Here is my solution:If you want to install .ipk to your sysroot, use "ar x yourfile.ipk && tar -zxf data.tar.gz -C path_to_sysroot". |
| 13:47.11 | koen | opkg -o /path/to/sysroot ? |
| 13:54.29 | bluelightning | hi mago_ - FYI I did try your example layer and I can confirm that it fails (at "reappear") |
| 13:57.51 | mago_ | bluelightning: oh, okay. is that expected behaviour? |
| 13:58.03 | bluelightning | mago_: I don't think it is, no |
| 13:58.22 | bluelightning | mago_: well, actually... it might be, it just might not be desirable |
| 13:58.59 | mago_ | i think after re-running the test, it even failed at "fallback" (even though the test runs cleanall to setup test) |
| 13:59.14 | bluelightning | I think the problem is the system does not re-scan the paths for new files, only deleted previously seen ones |
| 14:01.49 | mago_ | okay. I'm not even sure if this is a valid use-case, but that's the way we're doing things in our build right now -- a recipe, gets overridden by our "common company" layer, and then again overridden by a "product layer" |
| 14:02.46 | mago_ | thanks for testing the tree anyway, i guess my next step would be to pinpoint exactly where this scanning of paths occur in bitbake (or oe-core?) |
| 14:07.40 | bluelightning | mago_: it's a function get_checksum_file_list() in bitbake/lib/bb/fetch/__init__.py which is effectively called from base.bbclass |
| 14:07.52 | bluelightning | so it's split between them |
| 14:08.22 | mago_ | would you say a fix for this gets accepted into bitbake, or is it considered too weird of a use-case? |
| 14:11.30 | bluelightning | it would depend on the impact (on performance and behaviour) |
| 14:11.38 | bluelightning | I think it's a legitimate use case FWIW |
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| 14:20.09 | spaszkoPL | Ok. One more question. Is it possible to compile mesa recipe with usage of software gallium-llvm? |
| 14:20.51 | spaszkoPL | in mesa.inc are some config options, but i don't understand how to set my image recipe to use this options. |
| 14:22.04 | spaszkoPL | For example in mesa.inc is PACKAGECONFIG[gallium-llvm], but how to enable it in my recipe? |
| 14:23.35 | JaMa | PACKAGECONFIG_append_pn-mesa = " gallium-llvm" in your distro.conf or local.conf |
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| 14:28.10 | captainigloo | JaMa: hi |
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| 14:31.38 | spaszkoPL | JaMa: thx a lot :) |
| 14:31.43 | captainigloo | someone is aware about performances issues of QT5.3 on wayland backend ? |
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| 14:32.03 | captainigloo | i built an image based on dizzy + meta-qt5 + wayland and weston |
| 14:32.22 | captainigloo | but i get less than 1fps with QTCinematic Experience |
| 14:32.41 | captainigloo | with the hich cpu load for this app |
| 14:34.18 | spaszkoPL | captainigloo: By the way, because i don't have a lot of experience with meta-qt5. I crosscompiled QT manually, so i have a question. It's possible to use build meta-qt5 with qtquick with software opengl? |
| 14:34.30 | captainigloo | spaszkoPL: yes |
| 14:34.41 | captainigloo | with gallium-llvm |
| 14:34.45 | captainigloo | i did that before |
| 14:35.24 | spaszkoPL | so you can configure it in your recipe and then run bitbake and it's working, yeah? |
| 14:35.29 | captainigloo | yes |
| 14:35.46 | captainigloo | as JaMa said, by adding PACKAGECONFIG_append_pn-mesa |
| 14:35.52 | spaszkoPL | Have you example config or sth? |
| 14:35.58 | captainigloo | yes let me check |
| 14:36.15 | spaszkoPL | Ok, and for Qt you have to also set the egl driver? |
| 14:36.47 | spaszkoPL | It's very interesing for me. If it will work it will save a lot of my job. :) |
| 14:39.33 | captainigloo | hum i put gles flavor for PACKAGECONFIG_GL |
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| 14:43.03 | captainigloo | spaszkoPL: http://pastebin.com/WAB9rW2Y |
| 14:43.14 | captainigloo | it's my mesa_%.bbappend |
| 14:43.30 | captainigloo | with that is let mesa build with gallium llvm driver |
| 14:43.38 | captainigloo | it lets* |
| 14:44.00 | captainigloo | it's for qemux86 or qemuarm |
| 14:44.32 | captainigloo | change the _qemux86 with your machine name, or juste overide PACKAGECONFIG for all machines |
| 14:47.55 | spaszkoPL | ok thx |
| 14:48.00 | spaszkoPL | i will check this :) |
| 14:48.34 | captainigloo | spaszkoPL: ah and you also need to bbappend qtbase_%.bbappend |
| 14:48.48 | captainigloo | and add PACKAGECONFIG_GL = "gles2" |
| 14:48.55 | JaMa | captainigloo: changing it only for some MACHINEs will make mesa and all recipes which depend on it (or one of virtual/*gl*) MACHINE_ARCH |
| 14:49.36 | JaMa | and you don't need to have .bbappends you can append PACKAGECONFIGs from distro.conf or local.conf |
| 14:49.44 | captainigloo | JaMa: hum i don't undersand |
| 14:50.05 | JaMa | captainigloo: _<machine> overrides are bad for TUNE_PKGARCH recipes |
| 14:50.29 | captainigloo | oh ok i see |
| 14:51.08 | captainigloo | but if i don't do that, i get errors with meta-fsl-arm |
| 14:51.43 | captainigloo | https://github.com/Freescale/meta-fsl-arm/blob/master/recipes-graphics/mesa/mesa_%25.bbappend |
| 14:51.53 | captainigloo | PACKAGECONFIG_remove_mx6 = "egl gles" |
| 14:52.30 | captainigloo | so gles is removed, and so mesa can't configure correctly because gles is not found |
| 14:52.33 | JaMa | ah, they are already messing with it |
| 14:52.39 | captainigloo | :) |
| 14:53.10 | spaszkoPL | :-) |
| 14:53.10 | JaMa | also in ./qt5-layer/recipes-qt/qt5/qtbase_%.bbappend |
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| 14:57.43 | peteru | diego_r: Yes, that's normal too. If you want your ssh sessions to disconnect when one end goes away, you'll need to set your ssh alive timeouts. man both sshd_config and ssh_config and look for the string "alive" in both man pages. |
| 15:01.38 | diego_r | peteru: I see. That's strange to me anyhow. I get kicked out regularly on shutdown from Fedora, Ubuntu and Debian ssh hosts, so I thought it was a sort of a standard / best practice. |
| 15:06.04 | peteru | In my experience, the optimal values for these settings are very much dependent on what pieces of networking equipment are between you and the other end. For example, NAT routers that have a short session timeout benefit from having the keep alives being set every 60 or so seconds, but have a reasonably large retry count. |
| 15:07.00 | peteru | That way your conntrack sessions don't expire, but transient network issues don't sever your connection prematurely. |
| 15:08.42 | peteru | On the other hand, if you want to have an ssh session to a machine that you can put to sleep, you probably don't want any keep alives so that you can just resume your sessions. |
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| 15:14.45 | diego_r | peteru: I'm not talking about connections timeouts, but just the server gracefully closing connections to clients when he either gets stopped or shutdown. |
| 15:16.13 | diego_r | it looks like distributions take this as a bug : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626477 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259183 https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31250 |
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| 15:23.51 | bluelightning | diego_r: if we can fix this whilst preserving existing connections when stopping/restarting the service and _not_ shutting down / restarting the machine, then it would be good to do so IMO |
| 15:25.57 | diego_r | bluelightning: so you mean: keep connections when sshd service is stopped, but close them on shutdown? |
| 15:26.15 | bluelightning | diego_r: yes |
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| 15:26.41 | peteru | I think spanky has it right in the gentoo bug tracker comment #9. |
| 15:26.52 | bluelightning | diego_r: it would be worthwhile observing how other distros handle this |
| 15:36.18 | peteru | For a system that reboots quickly, you'll get an ICMP UNREACHABLE as soon as TCP/IP stack is up and you try to communicate. If reboots are slow, the machine is gone or ICMP is firewalled, your keep alive timeouts will come into play. |
| 15:37.39 | peteru | A wall message to let you know what happened should be sufficient. You can always type enter~. to get back to your local shell. CTRL+C may also work. |
| 15:40.12 | peteru | If you start terminating openssh connections, are you going to do the same thing with dropbear, telnet, rsh, busybox? |
| 15:41.31 | peteru | I certainly wouldn't be very impressed if the network scripts killed busybox when I issue init S from ttyS0. |
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| 15:45.03 | diego_r | I really thought closing active connections when server is stopping was considered normal behaviour, but it looks like I was wrong, and that makes the whole thing more complicated to handle. |
| 15:46.40 | diego_r | peteru: bluelightning: anyway thank you for the comments on the matter. |
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| 15:57.26 | peteru | No worries. I'm not saying it's not possible to do, but as with many seemingly simple things that no one has fixed, the devil is in the details. When you start considering some of the corner cases, you might decide that the status quo is just fine. ;-) |
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| 17:36.19 | captainigloo | JaMa: about meta-qt5 and your jansa/master branch, https://github.com/meta-qt5/meta-qt5/blob/jansa/master/conf/distro/include/qt5-versions.inc |
| 17:36.27 | captainigloo | it should be 5.3.99+5.4.0-rc1+git% |
| 17:36.32 | captainigloo | isn't it ? |
| 17:38.49 | JaMa | captainigloo: right, will fix, thanks |
| 17:39.32 | captainigloo | i'm building it right now, to see if it's better with wayland QPA |
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| 18:26.37 | awozniak | I got a fetch failed for http://www.nazgul.ch/dev/nostromo-1.9.5.tar.gz and MIRRORS failed too. I'm wondering if my MIRRORS is set incorrectly? I'm looking for the file in http://sources.openembedded.org/nostromo-1.9.5.tar.gz (404 error) and http://mirrors.openembedded.org/nostromo-1.9.5.tar.gz (host unreachable). So I don't know what's wrong. Are these files not cached there? Or am I using the wrong path? Or is my MIRRORS va |
| 18:26.38 | awozniak | riable set improperly? |
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| 18:30.37 | bluelightning | awozniak: it may be that we don't mirror that file; the OE source mirrror doesn't mirror files automatically |
| 18:31.24 | awozniak | what's the commonly accepted way to add to mirrors? MIRRORS += in conf/local/conf ? |
| 18:31.36 | awozniak | urm, i mean conf/local.conf |
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| 18:35.51 | bluelightning_ | awozniak: local.conf is fine but you must use the correct syntax for the value |
| 18:36.16 | bluelightning_ | awozniak: you might consider asking ka6sox (Tom King) to add the file to the OE source mirror as well |
| 18:36.26 | awozniak | bluelightning_: understood |
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| 18:54.18 | ka6sox | awozniak, do you have a reliable source for that file? |
| 18:54.23 | ka6sox | one with a good checksum? |
| 18:54.29 | awozniak | I do not |
| 18:55.03 | awozniak | I'm also looking for http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-mdns/nss-mdns-0.10.tar.gz ; it seems the /lennart/ directory there no longer exists |
| 18:56.15 | ka6sox | if you have corrected sources send a patch to the MLâ¦if we need to mirror it (and you have a good file/checksum) I'll see it gets into the sourcemirror. |
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| 19:20.46 | awozniak | ka6sox bluelightning_: I was able to get nss-mdns-0.10.tar.gz and nostromo-1.9.5.tar.gz from http://distcache.FreeBSD.org/ports-distfiles |
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| 20:38.50 | mschuckmann | Can anyone help me understand what it means to create a distro-less image? What would it buy me or why would one go the route? |
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| 20:47.36 | JaMa | mschuckmann: it just means with default configuration |
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