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| 07:25.05 | mckoan | good morning |
| 07:26.46 | woglinde | hi mckoan |
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| 08:58.13 | bluelightning | morning all |
| 08:59.11 | kroon | bluelightning, morning |
| 09:00.53 | bluelightning | hi kroon |
| 09:05.05 | woglinde | jo |
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| 09:11.09 | bluelightning | hi woglinde |
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| 09:35.44 | jackmitchell | do we have a specially patched mkfs which adds the -d option? |
| 09:36.17 | jackmitchell | I'm trying to move away from using sudo and loopback mounts in our in-house build system and was looking to OE for inspiration |
| 09:36.49 | jackmitchell | but I see what we build the sysroot and then pass it into mkfs the with -d option, but I can't find this option documented |
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| 09:39.22 | jackmitchell | ah yes ok, I see the patch to add this functionality in e2fsprogs |
| 09:40.55 | bluelightning | I could be wrong but I think that functionality got merged upstream recently as well |
| 09:41.06 | jackmitchell | yeah I've just seen the status is Backported |
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| 09:51.34 | jackmitchell | ok, I see they have been merged but they're not in the latest release yet which is confusing |
| 09:52.13 | bluelightning | ah, ok... maybe someone should poke them about doing a new release |
| 09:52.25 | jackmitchell | there was a new release recently |
| 09:52.30 | jackmitchell | thats the confusing part |
| 09:52.39 | jackmitchell | maybe they're waiting for a major number release |
| 09:52.48 | bluelightning | could be |
| 09:53.06 | bluelightning | I think it would be legitimate to ask when they plan that to occur |
| 09:53.08 | jackmitchell | but the last major number release was 2010 |
| 09:53.14 | jackmitchell | i might pop over to the channel and poke them |
| 09:53.22 | bluelightning | awesome, thanks |
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| 10:06.16 | bryan | Hello All, Can i get url for glibc-2.11.x recipe? |
| 10:14.48 | bluelightning | bryan: as I've said several times you will find old OE-Classic recipes in our our OE-Classic repository (http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/) |
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| 11:03.26 | bryan | I could find latest version as glibc-2.10.1 |
| 11:03.43 | bryan | but in eglibc it has version eglibc-2.12 |
| 11:04.14 | bryan | can we use eglibc recipe instaed of glibc |
| 11:10.45 | bluelightning | if you write / adapt your own recipe you could, yes |
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| 11:22.22 | DMT | Hello, I am a new developer for bitbake so please bare with me. I submitted a patch for improving the PR service persistence last month and I have yet to get any reply. Is there anyone that can possibly tell me if it is a mistake on my part? thanks in advance |
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| 12:12.17 | bluelightning | DMT: hi, which mailing list did you send the patch to? I think I recall seeing it but I can't find it at the moment |
| 12:13.09 | DMT | its here: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/bitbake-devel/2014-August/thread.html |
| 12:17.16 | DMT | I should have given the actual post, here it is: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/bitbake-devel/2014-August/004960.html |
| 12:17.27 | bluelightning | right, just looked at it |
| 12:17.53 | bluelightning | I have to be honest and say I don't know enough about that section of the code myself |
| 12:19.27 | bluelightning | RP: ^ |
| 12:22.53 | DMT | bluelightning: Ah, well thanks for your reply. I will stick around, maybe someone else will pop on later that has worked with the PR service. Again, thanks! |
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| 12:29.56 | Crofton|work | bluelightning, hangouts often have a limit of 10 people |
| 12:30.13 | Crofton|work | , but you can do a hangout on the air which lets people watch on youtube |
| 12:30.17 | Crofton|work | and saves it after |
| 12:30.25 | bluelightning | Crofton|work: it is marked as a hangout on air FWIW |
| 12:30.39 | bluelightning | I have no idea how to make any distinction between participants and viewers though |
| 12:30.39 | Crofton|work | also, we have sqlite in oe-core and meta-guacamayo |
| 12:30.59 | Crofton|work | well, if people hav etrouble getting in, ask people to view via youtube |
| 12:31.05 | Crofton|work | I may do that |
| 12:31.26 | Crofton|work | also, you shuold be able to get lnks to joi nthe hangout and the youtube one once it is started |
| 12:31.34 | bluelightning | ok, thanks |
| 12:31.57 | tbr | correct, that's how it works |
| 12:32.30 | Crofton|work | hey, it is the local celebrity! |
| 12:32.59 | tbr | LOL |
| 12:33.13 | Crofton|work | we gotta get you a job! |
| 12:33.47 | tbr | _that_ would be appreciated. I do cute embedded management hacks pretty well if someone asks. |
| 12:34.12 | tbr | I can also manage people doing cute embedded nonsense hacks |
| 12:36.59 | Crofton|work | http://www.computerworld.com/article/2605093/laid-off-from-job-man-builds-tweeting-toilet.html |
| 12:37.41 | RP | DMT: I did see the patch, sorry for not replying |
| 12:38.28 | RP | DMT: I think my concerns were a) why are we sending sync requests instead of just doing the timeout on the server side? b) can we only sync if the database is dirty? |
| 12:38.57 | Crofton|work | lovely, libdbi in meta-oe and meta-telephony |
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| 12:45.08 | DMT | RP: I initially was performing the sync immediately from the daemon thread, however, I did some research on the check_same_thread flag for the sqlite3 connect call. The documentation had no reference, however there were multiple posts about unpredictable exceptions and Python crashes |
| 12:45.54 | DMT | RP: So I decided as a precaution to follow the producer consumer pattern already in place for the syncing as well |
| 12:48.13 | DMT | RP: I am not sure what the problem is with the syncing when the server is dirty. Are you suggesting extending the server so syncing can be done by clients as well? I could add that, I would not take that much effort |
| 12:50.49 | RP | DMT: I think I misunderstood the patch and a) isn't correct, that does leave b) though |
| 12:51.14 | RP | DMT: I'm not sure I like calling sync() every 20s |
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| 12:55.02 | DMT | DMT: sync is only called when the server is dirty, which is when an operation has been performed by the consumer thread. 20 seconds was just an arbitrary default value I came up with that works with the environment I am working with |
| 12:55.22 | DMT | RP: ^ |
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| 13:00.26 | RP | DMT: how do you know that the operation actually changed data though? |
| 13:04.56 | DMT | RP: In my solution I don't, I was considering making only the specific cases where database activity cause a sync, but I wanted to keep the patch simple so that I could get some feedback from you guys. The non db operations are only ping and getinfo, so adding code for every case seemed a bit overkill |
| 13:05.48 | RP | DMT: I've looked at this before and its very hard to know if data has changed or not due to the sql query used :/ |
| 13:06.10 | RP | DMT: we have had significant bottleneck issues caused by sync calls :( |
| 13:09.17 | DMT | RP: aaaaa, its a matter of changes on the db it's self |
| 13:09.54 | DMT | RP: hmmm, I wasn't aware of that, that does complicate things |
| 13:12.06 | DMT | RP: How often are PRs being issued in the cases where there are significant bottlenecks? It would be nice to know what kind of numbers you are dealing with |
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| 13:16.57 | DMT | RP: Because, this may be dumb on my part, but wouldn't increasing the timeout time to above average delay between calls to the service reduce the bottleneck enough to make it manageable? Just pointing this out: if another command is sent before the 20second timeout happens the timer is reset and no sync happens |
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| 13:19.21 | DMT | RP: But again, I have no idea what beast you are dealing with so it makes most of my argument moot :p |
| 13:19.57 | RP | DMT: I do remember a ton of hangs, timeouts and a lot of other issues in this area which is why I'm nervous about changing it. I can see the need for what you describe though |
| 13:22.32 | RP | DMT: Looking at the code again, I think we need a variant of your patch where the code itself maintains a "dirty" flag if an INSERT/UPDATE db call has been used, then we start a timeout to sync things |
| 13:23.53 | DMT | RP: I can work on that, it shouldn't take much time. Should I change the timeout so it is done by the daemon rather than sending it to the consumer? |
| 13:24.56 | RP | DMT: I think it should be internal to the daemon, yes |
| 13:26.49 | DMT | RP: OK, I will change it back, that will make the code simpler, What about the timeout? I am guessing that will also come from experience, but an estimate for a good number based on your system would be nice |
| 13:27.24 | RP | DMT: I'd guess around 60s would probably be best |
| 13:30.12 | DMT | RP: OK, that should be doable. |
| 13:30.45 | DMT | RP: I don't think I am missing anything. Thanks a lot for the reply! :) |
| 13:31.20 | DMT | RP: If I get stuck on anything or need some feedback I know where to find you |
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| 13:59.53 | heeen | I'm looking for recipes for clang and llvm |
| 14:01.08 | woglinde | heeen use the layer search |
| 14:01.25 | woglinde | http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/ |
| 14:02.14 | heeen | woglinde: it doesn't show any results |
| 14:02.30 | heeen | there are some llvm results |
| 14:02.35 | heeen | but not clang |
| 14:03.40 | Crofton|work | some guys have done some work with those? |
| 14:05.10 | heeen | ah ok nevermind |
| 14:05.20 | heeen | I can find llvm3.3 |
| 14:05.25 | heeen | but not clang |
| 14:06.48 | heeen | do these build targeht or host binaries |
| 14:09.50 | heeen | hmm |
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| 14:10.36 | heeen | https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/yocto/2014-June/020358.html |
| 14:10.55 | heeen | this reciüpe just builds clang from within llvm |
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| 14:15.57 | heeen | clang wants to be built from within llvm's source tree, does oe support this in a separate recipe? |
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| 14:40.35 | heeen | what does BBCLASSEXTEND do |
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| 15:26.26 | heeen | I am trying to build llvm as a host binary, I added inherit native but it still is configured with host=arm |
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