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| 02:21.13 | tlwoerner | if i'm cleaning up a recipe, should i remove a PR that doesn't use INC_PR? |
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| 06:42.06 | matt10 | morning |
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| 08:10.34 | matt10 | I'd like to fix open-vcdiff recipe (bitbake world, Failed task), but I'm unable to reproduce the aclocal error, works fine here with different MACHINE. |
| 08:10.59 | matt10 | For now I'm using: DISTRO=nodistro MACHINE=qemuarm bitbake open-vcdiff |
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| 08:51.47 | bluelightning | morning all |
| 08:54.06 | matt10 | hi! |
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| 09:04.00 | bluelightning | hi matt10 |
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| 09:20.05 | matt10 | bluelightning, could you highlight me of how automatic test build is made? |
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| 09:49.58 | bluelightning | matt10: which part of that? |
| 09:52.19 | matt10 | I'm trying to understand what's wrong in my open-vcdiff (in master-next) recipe |
| 09:53.04 | matt10 | The recipie is reported in "State of bitbake world" |
| 09:53.50 | bluelightning | matt10: ah ok, JaMa runs those builds |
| 09:54.24 | matt10 | aclocal: error: non-option arguments are not accepted: '\'. |
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| 09:54.38 | matt10 | I'm unable to get the same error |
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| 10:27.28 | JaMa | matt10: are you testing it with latest oe-core? |
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| 10:34.32 | matt10 | hi Jama yes, I'm up to date to master + my recipe patch |
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| 10:50.44 | matt10 | http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-openembedded/commit/?h=master-next&id=7720023d0e69215746753cb3dea2ec9e61408a15 |
| 10:50.55 | matt10 | Jama: can you reproduce the error ? |
| 10:52.06 | JaMa | obviously yes as I've reported it :) |
| 10:53.38 | matt10 | Hehe :) I trying to have this error since yesterday, works fine here, tested with qemuarm/x86/x86_64 nodistro |
| 10:53.49 | matt10 | There must be something different |
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| 11:37.56 | ant_work | koen: where would you put dracut if we delete the meta-initramfs layer? |
| 11:38.54 | koen | ideally oe-core |
| 11:38.57 | ant_work | alternatively it could remain but almost empty, with only dracut |
| 11:38.57 | koen | otherwise meta-oe |
| 11:39.33 | ant_work | you see, nobody seems using it (apart you) so I'd merge klibc & kexecboot back to meta-handheld |
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| 11:41.02 | ant_work | it seems all initramfs stuff is being grouped in oe-core under initrdscripts |
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| 12:12.52 | matt10|work | Jama, I'ven't still reproduced but I've found an "old autotools" issue |
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| 14:40.28 | woglinde | hi |
| 14:40.43 | woglinde | is it possible and recommended to bbappend a recipe? |
| 14:40.57 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 14:40.59 | woglinde | seems so |
| 14:46.51 | bluelightning | woglinde: not sure I understand the question... ? |
| 14:52.54 | woglinde | bluelightning I did my old error asking before reading two lines deeper at google |
| 14:53.17 | bluelightning | woglinde: ok, well, as long as you got your answer everyone's happy I guess :) |
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| 14:55.24 | woglinde | args I meant image recipe |
| 14:55.26 | woglinde | by the way |
| 14:58.07 | bluelightning | ah right, that makes more sense as a question |
| 14:58.17 | bluelightning | I would say no, myself |
| 14:58.27 | bluelightning | I mean there's nothing technically to stop you |
| 14:59.14 | bluelightning | but my opinion regarding image recipes has always been that they're normally so trivial that it's not worth trying to append the existing one; just add your own new custom one that contains what you want |
| 14:59.59 | dv_ | what about the core-image recipe? |
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| 15:05.33 | woglinde | dv_ *g* |
| 15:07.52 | bluelightning | dv_: there isn't one "core-image" recipe |
| 15:08.20 | bluelightning | and the same applies to those as any other image, IMO |
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| 15:35.30 | woglinde | hi pb |
| 15:37.17 | pb_ | hi woglinde |
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| 15:59.02 | tlwoerner | OE/TSC meeting in 1 minute |
| 16:00.14 | denix | someone is really eager... :) |
| 16:00.16 | fray | is on hour 3 of meetings w/o a break.. so I might be a few minutes late to the start.. ;) |
| 16:00.28 | tlwoerner | denix: :-D |
| 16:00.39 | bluelightning | I'm here, just finishing up another meeting |
| 16:01.02 | tlwoerner | will the meetingbot be running? |
| 16:01.15 | bluelightning | Crofton: Crofton|work: ^ |
| 16:01.26 | bluelightning | if not, I'm sure we can wing it |
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| 16:02.45 | nerdboy | moin |
| 16:03.00 | RP | is here |
| 16:03.45 | tlwoerner | is looking forward to OEDAM, it'll be nice meeting many of you :-) |
| 16:04.19 | bluelightning | ok let's make a start |
| 16:04.26 | denix | tlwoerner: haven't you been to any of the previous ones? |
| 16:04.38 | tlwoerner | denix: it'll be my first |
| 16:04.56 | tlwoerner | i've met Crofton and Khem at a Connect last year, but that's all |
| 16:04.57 | bluelightning | khem: koen: ping |
| 16:05.04 | fray | I'll be back in a ouple minutes |
| 16:05.05 | tlwoerner | oh yea, and Koen :-) |
| 16:05.12 | denix | bluelightning: agenda? |
| 16:05.23 | denix | tlwoerner: you with linaro now, IIRC? |
| 16:05.28 | tlwoerner | yes :-D |
| 16:05.28 | bluelightning | denix: there isn't one, but I'm hoping not to be the chair yet again FWIW ;) |
| 16:05.48 | Jefro | bluelightning suggested an agenda list: - Upcoming release |
| 16:05.48 | Jefro | - World build status |
| 16:05.48 | Jefro | - Website and other infrastructure issues |
| 16:06.01 | RP | I can only be here for the next 30 mins |
| 16:06.02 | bluelightning | right, I did have those suggestions |
| 16:06.02 | denix | Jefro: thanks! |
| 16:06.27 | RP | Well, I can talk about the upcoming release |
| 16:06.34 | bluelightning | so who wants to chair? |
| 16:06.47 | nerdboy | already has a chair |
| 16:06.55 | RP | bluelightning: I can help for the first half... |
| 16:06.59 | tlwoerner | what's involved? |
| 16:07.22 | RP | tlwoerner: keeping the discussion on track and to time |
| 16:07.27 | tlwoerner | can chair |
| 16:07.34 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: thanks :) |
| 16:07.36 | denix | tlwoerner: it's like musical chairs game... :) |
| 16:07.39 | tlwoerner | 1/2 hour or full? |
| 16:07.40 | RP | tlwoerner: thanks! |
| 16:07.54 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: I think you just signed up for the hour |
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| 16:08.01 | RP | tlwoerner: I will just be less vocal in the second half as I'll be distracted |
| 16:08.16 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: ok, i was wondering if the meeting lasted the full or half hour :-) |
| 16:08.32 | bluelightning | we usually get to an hour with these things |
| 16:08.32 | tlwoerner | okay let's start, first topic "upcoming release" |
| 16:08.43 | tlwoerner | everything's green and ready to ship? |
| 16:08.57 | RP | As per the status email I sent out, we merged 3.14 in |
| 16:09.05 | bluelightning | the kernel, that is |
| 16:09.10 | RP | builds are green, test report for -rc1 is available |
| 16:09.22 | RP | we've been in much worse shape for releases so I'm optimistic |
| 16:09.23 | denix | RP: you are still accepting enhancements, like README update, right? :) |
| 16:09.40 | RP | denix: Yes, I am going to take that one |
| 16:09.44 | fray | is back sorry |
| 16:10.00 | RP | denix: in general no, but a change to the README is low risk |
| 16:10.14 | tlwoerner | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded.core/50181 |
| 16:10.21 | tlwoerner | status update email ^ |
| 16:10.27 | denix | RP: thanks! and sorry for delay - documentation is not my strongest side... :) |
| 16:10.49 | RP | denix: Nobody likes doing it but here we do really need it ;-) |
| 16:11.07 | denix | indeed |
| 16:11.08 | fray | How is meta-openembedded coming along? I havn't been tracking that recently and just want to make sure there isn't anything causing signficiant issue |
| 16:11.12 | RP | our bug metrics have shown a downward trend too which is nice |
| 16:11.22 | bluelightning | fray: that's kind of the topic of the next item |
| 16:11.22 | RP | fray: Martin has asked for help there |
| 16:11.31 | tlwoerner | denix: do you have additions to the README to make? |
| 16:11.36 | fray | bluelightning sorry I missed that.. ok I'll wait |
| 16:11.54 | RP | Bug Trend charts: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/charts/combo.html |
| 16:12.10 | denix | tlwoerner: yes |
| 16:12.15 | RP | tlwoerner: denix owes me a readme for meta-yocto ;-) |
| 16:12.33 | fray | :) |
| 16:12.40 | RP | I took the other patches on trust that one would be forthcoming :) |
| 16:13.02 | denix | ha! it is forthcoming :) |
| 16:13.13 | tlwoerner | RP: and after the README updates the release is ready to go out? |
| 16:13.35 | RP | tlwoerner: I'm expecting a couple of -rcs of bug fixes |
| 16:13.48 | tlwoerner | does anyone have a link to the release schedule? |
| 16:13.59 | bluelightning | we've still got some documentation stuff to tidy up and I know there are some open toaster bugs to be addressed in particular |
| 16:14.18 | RP | There are also issues on the -rc1 test report |
| 16:14.34 | bluelightning | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Yocto_1.6_Schedule |
| 16:14.44 | fray | top of the page has the time scales.. |
| 16:15.09 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: thanks |
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| 16:16.24 | tlwoerner | okay... moving on |
| 16:16.35 | tlwoerner | new topic: world build status |
| 16:16.39 | tlwoerner | i guess we've already covered this one |
| 16:17.10 | tlwoerner | anything else to say about world build status? |
| 16:17.27 | RP | This is probably more about meta-oe |
| 16:17.41 | bluelightning | yes |
| 16:17.43 | denix | is JaMa around? |
| 16:17.45 | RP | I think Martin's email covers it well, there are challenges there |
| 16:18.06 | bluelightning | basically it's about getting more people involved in fixing the failures highlighted by his builds |
| 16:18.11 | tlwoerner | are patches to SOBBW (state of bb world) still being accepted for 1.6? |
| 16:18.29 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: they're bugs so I would assume yes |
| 16:18.43 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: okay |
| 16:18.49 | nerdboy | yocto bugs? |
| 16:19.06 | RP | right, the point we're at is feature freeze, no new features or package upgrades |
| 16:19.15 | RP | bug fixes are very much still going in |
| 16:19.17 | bluelightning | nerdboy: these are bugs mostly in recipes in meta-oe and other layers within the meta-openembedded repo |
| 16:19.21 | RP | both for oe-core and meta-oe |
| 16:19.39 | nerdboy | so the email is the "bug" list? |
| 16:20.25 | bluelightning | the basic problem, just like we had in OE-Classic, is that people contribute recipes and then aren't available to keep them up-to-date and help fix them if they break in future |
| 16:21.34 | nerdboy | Andreas just pushed a bunch of gnome stuff |
| 16:22.02 | fray | I expect the couple meta-networking items to be fix soon as well |
| 16:22.11 | RP | wishes he had more time to help with meta-oe :/ |
| 16:22.31 | bluelightning | the email is here FYI: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2014-March/094893.html |
| 16:22.50 | tlwoerner | nerdboy: yes and you can consult http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Bitbake_World_Status |
| 16:23.29 | bluelightning | I can't think of any magic solutions, beyond getting more maintainers for individual recipes engaged |
| 16:23.35 | tlwoerner | i do appreciate the work JaMa puts into the SOBBW and hope he continues with that |
| 16:23.55 | bluelightning | absolutely, he's doing a great job |
| 16:24.06 | fray | yup i agree |
| 16:24.08 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: come projects have a requirement to not accept "dump and run" patches |
| 16:24.14 | tlwoerner | s/come/some |
| 16:24.39 | denix | tlwoerner: how to enforce it? |
| 16:24.44 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: it's kind of hard to know when that'll happen though; people commit to things in good faith and then have other commitments come up |
| 16:24.45 | RP | JaMa is doing a great job there |
| 16:24.53 | tlwoerner | denix: not apply them |
| 16:25.38 | bluelightning | I do agree with Martin's current mode where he's not accepting patches that throw up issues in his tests |
| 16:25.50 | bluelightning | at least we won't introduce breakage from the first time the recipe lands |
| 16:25.58 | denix | tlwoerner: in order to not apply them, you need to know they will become abandoned in the future. w/o crystal ball you won't know that |
| 16:26.05 | tlwoerner | it probably comes down to a calculation of how important the package is for the overall ecosystem |
| 16:26.13 | bluelightning | wants a crystal ball |
| 16:26.47 | RP | tlwoerner: this is a really tricky problem unfortunately |
| 16:26.47 | denix | bluelightning: how big? |
| 16:26.56 | tlwoerner | denix: for example if someone wanted to submit a new recipe, they'd have to have a track record of N fixes |
| 16:27.06 | RP | The idea was to have layers with maintainers who care about their specific parts |
| 16:27.17 | bluelightning | denix: needs to be small, I need to be able to take it to conferences ;) |
| 16:27.20 | RP | the pressure on the catchall is still there though |
| 16:27.39 | tlwoerner | what do people think of the proposal to have "meta-notworking" |
| 16:27.41 | fray | YUP |
| 16:27.55 | bluelightning | I hate to say it but it might be time to think about the size of meta-oe and whether there are parts that can reasonably be carved off |
| 16:28.06 | denix | tlwoerner: you require upfront reputation |
| 16:28.12 | denix | bluelightning: good point :) |
| 16:28.25 | fray | its a reasonable way to ensure green builds.. but perhaps a blacklist disable would be better w/ a timeout period? |
| 16:29.06 | RP | bluelightning: I'd agree |
| 16:29.32 | fray | well opensource is generally a meritocracy.. to getting things in requiring reputation is reasonable |
| 16:29.36 | tlwoerner | denix: if someone comes along and wants to contribute some huge recipe that requires lots of additional supporting recipes, maybe some consideration should be given to future maintenance? |
| 16:29.42 | bluelightning | there's only a point to doing that if categories can be carved out *and* there is a maintainer for each one willing to step up |
| 16:29.46 | RP | fray: we've done things like this before, we still have the BROKEN = "1" in places :/ |
| 16:30.00 | RP | should really remember to kill the remnants of that |
| 16:30.04 | fray | RP, I was thinking actually using the blacklist class and some automation... |
| 16:30.09 | nerdboy | bluelightning: maybe more refactoring than carving... |
| 16:30.23 | fray | that way if someone wants the thing they're informed hey this doesn't work, if you get it to work tell us or we'll remove it |
| 16:30.34 | bluelightning | nerdboy: right, could be that kind of thing |
| 16:30.37 | fray | then prune after a certain amount of time.. |
| 16:30.47 | tlwoerner | fray: that sounds like an interesting idea; it would save all of us from having to keep our conf/local.conf's in sync |
| 16:30.49 | denix | fray, tlwoerner: agree |
| 16:30.53 | RP | We really need Martin's input here |
| 16:31.02 | bluelightning | RP: agreed |
| 16:31.03 | fray | yes, I wouldn't think of implementing it without his opinion |
| 16:31.13 | nerdboy | since i'm already adding several layers to meta-oe just to get my "lightweight" build to complete... |
| 16:31.31 | tlwoerner | fray: would you like to take a work item to propose this on the mailing list? |
| 16:31.41 | fray | ya.. I'll respond to his email.. |
| 16:32.15 | nerdboy | a meeting isn't a meeting without action items... |
| 16:32.20 | bluelightning | I have a reply drafted but not sent yet... nothing earth shattering but replies to the layer index comment |
| 16:32.51 | tlwoerner | what's the email subject line? |
| 16:33.29 | nerdboy | so back to the current bugs, how soon does the "world" build get run again? |
| 16:33.31 | denix | bitbake world domination? |
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| 16:35.06 | nerdboy | i'd like to fix something without spinning on something Andreas just fixed... |
| 16:35.29 | tlwoerner | nerdboy: yes, there needs to be more coordination |
| 16:35.37 | tlwoerner | for the SOBBW fixes |
| 16:35.57 | tlwoerner | what woudl work best for people? mailing list, IRC, wiki? |
| 16:36.08 | nerdboy | that was one of my topics for oedam |
| 16:36.22 | tlwoerner | nerdboy: okay, we can discuss it then |
| 16:36.43 | tlwoerner | this topic seems to be winding down |
| 16:36.52 | nerdboy | for now i would just like to kill a few bugs ... |
| 16:36.57 | tlwoerner | new topic: website infrastructure and updates |
| 16:38.23 | bluelightning | jackmitchell: do you have an update? |
| 16:39.54 | tlwoerner | fray: do you mean the patches Otavio has been sending? |
| 16:40.00 | tlwoerner | fray: (blacklist) |
| 16:40.12 | fray | I havn't seen them.. so perhaps |
| 16:40.52 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: are you aware of any ongoing/planned infrastructure updates |
| 16:41.03 | fray | Which ones, I'm not finding them? |
| 16:41.35 | tlwoerner | whoops, those are from August 2013 |
| 16:42.08 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: the plan is to do a new front page for the website; I've lost track of what the status of it is though |
| 16:42.51 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: okay thanks. it doesn't look like jackmitchell is around |
| 16:43.06 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: this is for http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Main_Page? |
| 16:43.42 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: it would take the place of that yes (the wiki will remain for other content though) |
| 16:44.13 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: are there any plans to re-organize the wiki? |
| 16:44.19 | bluelightning | the idea is to give a much clearer introduction to the project |
| 16:44.28 | bluelightning | I think we should do that as part of the same effort, yes |
| 16:44.41 | bluelightning | RP and I did some cleanup a while ago, but there's still junk in there |
| 16:44.42 | tlwoerner | and jackmitchell is the person doing the work? |
| 16:45.10 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: the frontpage part of it yes, I think he is getting help from ka6sox on setting things up |
| 16:45.20 | denix | tlwoerner: he presented his mockup at last ELCE |
| 16:45.26 | bluelightning | I don't think anyone's volunteered to clean up the wiki yet |
| 16:46.28 | tlwoerner | okay, ka6sox is scheduled to attend OEDAM so maybe there will be an update at that time |
| 16:46.48 | tlwoerner | that appears to finish the proposed schedule items |
| 16:47.00 | tlwoerner | does anyone have any additional items/topics? |
| 16:47.14 | tlwoerner | - is it too early to talk about 1.7 features, or should we wait? |
| 16:47.32 | fray | 1.7 features are something we are certainly interested in.. |
| 16:47.56 | fray | if people have things they're planning to contribute, or think would make the overall oe experience better this is a good time to get that information known |
| 16:48.24 | tlwoerner | fray: and put them in bugzilla |
| 16:48.25 | fray | using the Yocto Project bugzilla is a good way to do this. The oe-core mailing list can also be used. |
| 16:48.30 | fray | yup |
| 16:49.23 | tlwoerner | - any thoughts on the differences between OE and Yocto recipe variable ordering (specifically the placement of the R* variables)? |
| 16:49.44 | tlwoerner | would it be possible to align the styles? |
| 16:50.01 | fray | sounds like a janitor type thing.. |
| 16:50.19 | fray | I'm not against it.. but a general project style should be generated (if it doesn't already exist in the wiki) |
| 16:50.22 | tlwoerner | http://openembedded.org/wiki/StyleGuide versus https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Recipe_%26_Patch_Style_Guide |
| 16:50.40 | tlwoerner | fray: the issue is there are two :-) |
| 16:50.56 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: I don't think there is contention on that one point |
| 16:51.15 | bluelightning | the tabs vs spaces thing is contentious however |
| 16:51.42 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: so which guide is correct wrt placement of R* variables? high in recipe, or low? |
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| 16:51.59 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: with other packaging specific stuff so lower down |
| 16:52.15 | bluelightning | if the two guides really can't be one yet, we should at least be able to get to the point where one is a "see the other + these one or two minor things" |
| 16:52.21 | fray | I'm used to seeing the R's grouped near the FILES myself.. |
| 16:52.28 | bluelightning | fray: right, that's what I mean |
| 16:52.30 | fray | yup |
| 16:52.45 | tlwoerner | okay, so... |
| 16:52.54 | tlwoerner | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.54 | tlwoerner | AUTHOR |
| 16:52.54 | tlwoerner | HOMEPAGE |
| 16:52.54 | tlwoerner | SECTION |
| 16:52.54 | tlwoerner | LICENSE |
| 16:52.57 | tlwoerner | DEPENDS |
| 16:52.59 | tlwoerner | RDEPENDS |
| 16:53.01 | tlwoerner | RRECOMMENDS |
| 16:53.03 | tlwoerner | RSUGGESTS |
| 16:53.05 | tlwoerner | PROVIDES |
| 16:53.07 | tlwoerner | RPROVIDES |
| 16:53.09 | tlwoerner | RCONFLICTS |
| 16:53.11 | tlwoerner | SRCDATE |
| 16:53.13 | tlwoerner | PV |
| 16:53.15 | tlwoerner | PR |
| 16:53.17 | tlwoerner | ... |
| 16:53.20 | bluelightning | no |
| 16:53.34 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: okay, thanks |
| 16:53.35 | fray | ya my preference is DEPENDS and PROVIDES at the top, since they describe the recipe.. |
| 16:53.39 | tlwoerner | takes an action to update OE wiki |
| 16:53.44 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: that's still putting R* before non-packaging fields |
| 16:53.51 | fray | and R*_package at the bottom near the FILES_ since they refer to the 'packages' |
| 16:53.58 | bluelightning | fray: yep, me too |
| 16:54.11 | tlwoerner | okay, then: |
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| 16:54.17 | bluelightning | if it helps, I came up with an ordering that I use within the layer index |
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| 16:54.44 | kergoth | i don't think repeatedly spaming the channel is the best method to work things like that out, personally |
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| 16:55.06 | fray | something like that yes.. (don't forget summary at the top) ;) |
| 16:55.18 | tlwoerner | kergoth: sorry |
| 16:55.22 | bluelightning | http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/layerindex-web/tree/layerindex/bulkchange.py#n24 |
| 16:55.57 | bluelightning | not sure if that lines up with everyone else's expectations, but it should be mostly acceptable I think |
| 16:56.08 | fray | it's pretty close.... |
| 16:56.32 | tlwoerner | okay i'll take an action to align the various places this shows up for consistency |
| 16:56.40 | bluelightning | I'm missing S in there I think |
| 16:56.41 | fray | and these are just guidelines.. there may be reasons to deviate.. but having a more unified style makes sense to me.. and could be an easy janitorial project |
| 16:56.48 | nerdboy | i would prefer to see more effort in other areas rather than style wars... |
| 16:56.53 | fray | (and B... which is rarely set) |
| 16:57.00 | tlwoerner | oe-stylize.py, OE wiki, yocto wiki |
| 16:57.25 | bluelightning | if someone is going to go further with this oe-stylize is the thing to fix so it matches everyone's expectations (I don't use it myself, but I'm told it doesn't quite atm) |
| 16:57.36 | fray | nerdboy, I don't disagree.. I just consider this pretty easy to resolve.. and if there are places where there isn't a clear answer.. we document it and move on |
| 16:57.50 | kergoth | oe-stylize has often failed to handle certain variables, making it of limited usefulness. it'd need a little tlc, i think |
| 16:58.03 | tlwoerner | fray: yes i agree, but my issues is the information that is out there is contradictory |
| 16:58.13 | nerdboy | fray: stop reading my thoughts |
| 16:58.41 | tlwoerner | any new topics? |
| 16:58.52 | tlwoerner | (2 minutes remaining) |
| 16:58.54 | nerdboy | makes a new foil hat |
| 16:59.17 | bluelightning | nothing here |
| 16:59.32 | tlwoerner | thank you everyone for attending |
| 16:59.44 | tlwoerner | next monthly meeting will be May 6th |
| 16:59.44 | bluelightning | tlwoerner: great job chairing, thanks very much :) |
| 17:00.00 | tlwoerner | and inbetween now and then is the OEDAM |
| 17:00.12 | tlwoerner | bluelightning: thank you :-) |
| 17:01.05 | nerdboy | smells a tasty beverage brewing |
| 17:03.18 | nerdboy | lemme get another coffee and i'll look at fixing some of the things not listed in Andreas' patch email |
| 17:03.55 | nerdboy | starts a fresh arm build |
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| 17:21.47 | tlwoerner | nerdboy: i just noticed your question which went unanswered (i think) |
| 17:22.01 | tlwoerner | nerdboy: i think JaMa runs his world build every week |
| 17:22.59 | tlwoerner | http://openembedded.org/wiki/Bitbake_World_Status |
| 17:26.21 | nerdboy | yup, found the wiki page |
| 17:26.52 | nerdboy | building gnuplot... |
| 17:27.14 | Crofton | crap, sorry about the bot |
| 17:27.19 | Crofton | I am traveling so just got in |
| 17:28.31 | woglinde | is the meeting over? |
| 17:28.59 | tlwoerner | Crofton: woglinde: meeting finished 30 minutes ago, no problem |
| 17:29.06 | woglinde | okay |
| 17:29.06 | tlwoerner | i'm typing up notes for the mailing list now |
| 17:29.11 | Crofton | thanks |
| 17:29.14 | woglinde | hi crofton |
| 17:29.33 | nerdboy | Crofton... |
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| 17:31.52 | woglinde | hm what option in local.conf deletes the opkg meta data? |
| 17:31.57 | woglinde | I need to disable it |
| 17:32.18 | woglinde | or is it an image option? |
| 17:33.15 | woglinde | I guess IMAGE_FEATURES += " package-management " |
| 17:33.18 | woglinde | it is |
| 17:33.24 | nerdboy | yup |
| 17:33.45 | fray | lack of package-management in either the local.conf or the recipes is what clears the package db and does NOT install the package tools |
| 17:34.05 | fray | if you add that, you don't need to individually list the package components. (for rpm that would be 'rpm smart') |
| 17:35.48 | nerdboy | yay, a straggling pr include change... |
| 17:53.12 | JaMa | RP_: bluelightning, tlwoerner, nerdboy, fray, all: sorry I had conflicting meeting for whole time |
| 17:53.54 | RP | JaMa: np, I know the feeling :/ |
| 17:54.09 | JaMa | I think we should discuss it on OEDAM, it seems that last e-mail motivated few more people to send patches, so maybe my next status will be more possitive and we'll just discuss how to maintain it that way :) |
| 17:55.18 | RP | JaMa: lets hope so :) |
| 18:09.41 | nerdboy | looks like gnuplot needs a license correction |
| 18:10.10 | woglinde | hm in which package resize2fs ends up? |
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| 18:13.18 | woglinde | okay e2fsprogs |
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| 18:14.01 | JaMa | nerdboy: please notice that there is upgrade for gnuplot on ml, but without license change |
| 18:14.09 | JaMa | so it would be good as follow-up |
| 18:16.59 | nerdboy | recently? |
| 18:17.24 | JaMa | yes |
| 18:17.40 | nerdboy | found it |
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| 18:32.13 | nerdboy | JaMa: i'm applying the patch from Tim |
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| 18:35.24 | JaMa | nerdboy: tlwoerner: the builds are triggered manually and build for all 3 archs takes around 3 days |
| 18:36.14 | JaMa | so usually less than twice per week, sometimes less often or without sending the report, depending on metadata changes |
| 18:36.34 | JaMa | if there is something terribly broken (and most issues are hidden by that) I won't send the report |
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| 18:47.50 | nerdboy | also adding the gd license file |
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| 18:54.30 | JaMa | cool, thanks! |
| 18:59.05 | nerdboy | crap, i didn't see the gnuplot-4.4.4 fail here either |
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| 19:38.20 | nerdboy | JaMa: are build logs accessible? |
| 19:38.30 | nerdboy | can i see the gnuplot errors? |
| 19:39.24 | JaMa | yes, there is link to them in each report |
| 19:39.31 | nerdboy | otherwise gd and gnuplot upgrade looks clean here... |
| 19:39.53 | JaMa | they are quite big sometimes, so better to wget them and read locally |
| 19:40.09 | JaMa | at least chromium doesn't search that well in big files |
| 19:42.31 | blilly1 | woglinde: is there a mirror for jamvm? I'm getting connection refused when trying to build |
| 19:47.32 | nerdboy | JaMa: your world builds are branched from master? |
| 19:49.11 | otavio | Do someone knows why alsamixer is like this: http://pastebin.com/7Hq00X35 ? |
| 19:54.48 | nerdboy | i'm going to say the lua packageconfig setting and newer version should take care of the error in your build log |
| 19:55.20 | nerdboy | but 4.4.4 built fine for me too... |
| 19:57.28 | nerdboy | otavio: are any other curses apps goofy? |
| 19:58.02 | nerdboy | not sure if you can force ascii but it looks like a charset problem... |
| 19:58.20 | nerdboy | mc has a -a switch for that |
| 19:59.55 | JaMa | nerdboy: see wiki, it's described there |
| 20:00.30 | nerdboy | what exactly? i saw the build error i can't reproduce |
| 20:02.38 | JaMa | http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Bitbake_World_Status at the top describes how they are built and from what |
| 20:02.52 | nerdboy | oh, that |
| 20:05.25 | otavio | nerdboy: charset. Humm |
| 20:05.45 | nerdboy | alsamixer needs ncurses and nls support |
| 20:05.54 | nerdboy | are you building against uclibc? |
| 20:06.17 | nerdboy | if so, that disables nls |
| 20:07.29 | otavio | nerdboy: no; this is default poky setup |
| 20:07.43 | nerdboy | inherit pkgconfig might not be a bad idea for alsa-utils... |
| 20:08.11 | nerdboy | otavio: can you check another ncurses app in your build? |
| 20:08.24 | otavio | I need to figure out any other |
| 20:10.02 | nerdboy | mc, vim, nano... |
| 20:10.36 | nerdboy | links? |
| 20:14.04 | nerdboy | JaMa: would it be easier if i forked your github repos and make a pull request? |
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| 20:15.34 | JaMa | nerdboy: no, please send patches to ML |
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| 20:16.35 | nerdboy | the previous patch didn't apply so i replicated it |
| 20:17.11 | nerdboy | that will be one patch for meta-oe and one patch for poky/core for the licenses |
| 20:25.38 | nerdboy | as far as the libimobiledevice fail, it's mostly broken against iOS 7 anyway |
| 20:26.44 | nerdboy | really need new recipes for all 5 libimobiledevice pieces and build from their git repos until upstream does a new release |
| 20:27.37 | nerdboy | the newer stuff needs cython support as well |
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| 20:52.43 | otavio | nerdboy: nano always works fine. |
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| 21:00.23 | nerdboy | other than make menuconfig, mc is the only one i can think of righ tnow with a full curses interface |
| 21:01.22 | nerdboy | JaMa: meta-oe ones are sent |
| 21:01.47 | nerdboy | what about the license files? |
| 21:02.08 | nerdboy | same process? should they go to oe-core or poky? |
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| 21:50.55 | nerdboy | okay, oe-core it is... |
| 21:52.17 | XorA | hrmm, meta-beagleboard buggers up dtc :-( |
| 21:53.17 | JaMa | nerdboy: your gnuplot change should be just changing the license, leave Tim's change alone or keep original author |
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| 22:12.12 | nerdboy | crap, that was the whole thing, wasn't it... |
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| 22:37.40 | nerdboy | JaMa: fixed |
| 22:46.06 | nerdboy | okay, so how do i keep it from switching shlib providers from gtk-* to gtk3-* ? |
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| 23:21.15 | JaMa | nerdboy: the licenses should go to meta-oe repository |
| 23:21.56 | JaMa | nerdboy: see de3f394d7bdb5b14b6618cb1bf7e5101c42fc3a9 commit in meta-oe |
| 23:22.41 | JaMa | nerdboy: and otherwise oe-core patches needs to go to oe-core ML not oe-devel |
| 23:25.07 | nerdboy | should they go in common-licenses or somewhere else? |
| 23:26.47 | JaMa | meta-oe/licenses/ |
| 23:55.35 | nerdboy | lemme do a quick build check... |