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| 07:19.08 | mckoan | good morning |
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| 07:37.56 | bluelightning | morning all |
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| 07:50.31 | mckoan | hi bluelightning |
| 07:50.40 | bluelightning | hi mckoan |
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| 09:19.17 | mago_ | is there a common term for bitbake output? i.e Bitbakes bakes recipes and produces ... ? |
| 09:20.19 | hrw | whatever it produces |
| 09:20.52 | hrw | packages, images, pizza orders, sdk tarballs, native tools |
| 09:30.20 | mago_ | i remember reading somewhere, in some document, that calling recipes a package is unwise because bitbake produces output packages. I can't find that document right now, but does this ring a bell? that the generic term for bitbake output is 'output packages'? |
| 09:33.54 | ndec | binary packages? |
| 09:35.15 | ndec | 'standard' recipes produce one or more binary packages. some recipes are 'special' like image recipe or packagegroup recipes. |
| 09:39.27 | hrw | mago_: naming recipes packages came from old medieval times when OE kept recipes in directory named 'packages' |
| 09:50.06 | bluelightning | I use the term "output packages" for the output end myself |
| 09:50.42 | bluelightning | (and "recipes" on the input, naturally) |
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| 13:52.34 | matt10 | Hi, right before submitting a libomxil patch, I just can't find where libomxil has a commercial license. It seems just LGPL |
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| 14:58.34 | bluelightning | matt10b: LICENSE_FLAGS = "commercial" just means additional licenses may be required for use in a commercial product |
| 15:05.53 | matt10b | bluelightning: yes, but I can't find any text refering to it |
| 15:06.17 | matt10b | I was wondering if this was still relevant because earlier version have ffmpeg stuff in it |
| 15:12.52 | bluelightning | matt10b: I'm not sure to be honest |
| 15:16.40 | matt10b | ;) |
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| 15:41.11 | kergoth | https://github.com/kergoth/dotfiles/blob/master/scripts/comm-files rather special purpose, but helpful in comparing two sstate-cache dirs |
| 15:41.14 | kergoth | yawns |
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| 18:04.53 | tlwoerner | i couldn't help notice that the style guides from the OE and Yocto sites give conflicting information on what the correct syntax for *.bb files is :-S |
| 18:05.10 | koen | tlwoerner: right |
| 18:05.17 | tlwoerner | i was hoping someone "in authority" would be able to find the time to look at them and resolve :-) |
| 18:05.39 | koen | tlwoerner: the rule of thumb is: variables and methods are ordered by time of execution |
| 18:06.14 | koen | the tabs/spaces difference unfortunate, but it has it reasons |
| 18:07.23 | tlwoerner | koen: okay, this helps. i'm not too worried about "tabs vs spaces" one shows the R* variables at the end, the other shows them towards the top |
| 18:07.25 | kergoth | ignores the style guide's advice re: tabs/spaces in the layers he maintains. screw tabs |
| 18:08.04 | koen | tlwoerner: R* is for packages, so between do_install and do_package methods |
| 18:08.04 | dvhart | *groan* a standard people ignore is worse than no standard at all |
| 18:08.40 | tlwoerner | aahhhh... so ideally i'd use different rules depending on who i'm submitting it to. okay got it |
| 18:09.15 | koen | the yocto guide needs to get fixed for R* |
| 18:09.38 | koen | since oe-core is using "R* after do_install" in reviews anyway |
| 18:10.08 | dvhart | which Yocto guide koen ? |
| 18:10.23 | dvhart | let's get a bug opened so we don't lose track, we have people working on docs |
| 18:10.26 | tlwoerner | https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Recipe_%26_Patch_Style_Guide |
| 18:10.36 | kergoth | I can see an argument in favor of both orders, really, though practically you're right. given bitbake uses rdepends to influence task order, not just packaging, it can make sense to have it next ot DEPENDS, but in reality most put it with the packaging metadata |
| 18:10.37 | tlwoerner | versus |
| 18:10.40 | tlwoerner | http://openembedded.org/wiki/StyleGuide |
| 18:11.23 | tlwoerner | okay, i'll open a bug |
| 18:11.25 | kroon | I'm trying to debug terminal.bbclass. bb.note() output doesn't seem to show up.. |
| 18:11.38 | dvhart | Ah the wiki.... I wonder what our stance is on with bugs and the wiki - I would suggest opening a bug with the Yocto Project, cite the contradiction with URLs and the specific location. |
| 18:11.48 | dvhart | thanks tlwoerner |
| 18:13.05 | koen | kergoth: it's next to DEPENDS for historical reasons, since we did RDEPENDS = "foo" earlier on |
| 18:13.14 | koen | (which you probably remember vividly) |
| 18:15.46 | tlwoerner | dvhart: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6080 |
| 18:16.10 | dvhart | perfect, thanks tlwoerner |
| 18:16.31 | koen | "the sd-card sized edison will run yocto linux" |
| 18:17.12 | kergoth | kroon: bb.note never shows up, not to the console, by deafult it goes to the log files only. use warn if you want to see it on the bitbake ui |
| 18:18.39 | tlwoerner | dvhart: haha yes, while filing the bug i was considering asking about the lack of "web" or "wiki" as a category :-) |
| 18:18.55 | Crofton | bb.wiki |
| 18:18.55 | kroon | kergoth, aha, thanks |
| 18:18.58 | dvhart | tlwoerner, I added that so it didn't just get closed as "WOBTFIX" |
| 18:19.16 | dvhart | kergoth, that's a bug then - it is supposed to go to the console per the logging.bbclass |
| 18:19.30 | dvhart | at least, that is the documented API |
| 18:20.04 | dvhart | perhaps this is knotty2 that filters these out? |
| 18:21.15 | kergoth | first of all, logigng.bbclas is only the shell functions |
| 18:21.21 | kergoth | second, it says precisely the opposite of that, "# For the time being, all of these print only to the task logs." |
| 18:21.31 | kergoth | so I'm a bit confused |
| 18:21.49 | dvhart | :-) Yes I know, I wrote it. It was written to mirror the native bitbake functions. It documents the API |
| 18:21.59 | dvhart | it isn't complete (there is a bug open for the shell equivalents) |
| 18:22.08 | kergoth | i doubt it's been touched in ages, personally i think the shell functions are pretty useless without talking to the bitbake server |
| 18:22.13 | kergoth | and clearly its documentation is out of date |
| 18:22.15 | dvhart | but above it was the bb.note() specifically |
| 18:22.28 | kergoth | we used to spam the user with everything, its true, but that's no longer the case |
| 18:22.33 | dvhart | agreed, the shell functions need to talk to the bb server |
| 18:22.52 | bluelightning | I have a fix for the shell logging thing, but it still needs work |
| 18:23.05 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:23.38 | dvhart | I wonder if the "console" output is no longer sufficient. Perhaps we need "knotty" and knotty2 ? |
| 18:23.42 | bluelightning | https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=paule/shell-logging |
| 18:23.47 | dvhart | or perhaps some specifically verbosity setting? |
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| 18:35.01 | kergoth | dvhart: bitbake has always had arguments to control verbosity ,and to crank up debugging. they're all of limited usefulness right now, so i could see value in having them actually do something useful :) |
| 18:36.37 | dvhart | ;) |
| 18:37.28 | kergoth | -D is so freaking noisey that it's pretty much pointless to ever use :( |
| 18:37.52 | kergoth | need to resurrect our debug domain stuff, it still sort of works, but not very well |
| 18:40.46 | dvhart | -D requires redirect to log and post processing, agreed :-) |
| 18:53.56 | tlwoerner | JaMa: I've been spending a little time trying to chip away at your "state of bb world" list, i am working on patches for meta-oe/recipes-support/asio and meta-oe/recipes-extended/mml-widget/gtkmathview |
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| 19:31.30 | Crofton | JaMa, did you revert my OEDAM update on the wiki on purpose? |
| 19:42.18 | fray | anyone else seeing these in oe-core master? |
| 19:42.23 | fray | WARNING: QA Issue: ELF binary '/msp-lpggp1/mhatle/git/oe-core/build-test/tmp-eglibc/work/x86_64-nativesdk-oesdk-linux/nativesdk-qemu/1.7.0-r0/packages-split/nativesdk-qemu/usr/local/oecore-x86_64/sysroots/x86_64-oesdk-linux/usr/bin/qemu-ppc' has relocations in .text |
| 19:42.33 | fray | I've got a bunch of those from various things when doing a simple |
| 19:42.38 | fray | bitbae -c populate_sdk core-image-minimal |
| 19:42.44 | fray | (all of the QA is related to nativesdk packages) |
| 19:47.21 | kroon | My host's (Fedora 20) /etc/bash_completion.d/yum-utils.bash is causing error messages in devshell :-( |
| 19:49.34 | tlwoerner | kroon: mine too (openSuSE) |
| 19:49.46 | tlwoerner | kroon: all my conf/local.conf files include: |
| 19:49.51 | tlwoerner | OE_TERMINAL = "custom" |
| 19:49.57 | tlwoerner | OE_TERMINAL_CUSTOMCMD = "/usr/bin/xterm -e /home/trevor/local/bin/oeshell.sh" |
| 19:50.08 | tlwoerner | /home/trevor/local/bin/oeshell.sh is: |
| 19:50.28 | tlwoerner | /bin/bash --rcfile /home/trevor/.bashrc.oe |
| 19:50.56 | tlwoerner | and /home/trevor/.bashrc.oe is basically my ~/.bashrc but with the problem parts removed |
| 19:51.35 | fray | kroon, yes -- same here -- but ti doesn't actually cause any failures |
| 19:52.27 | tlwoerner | kroon: see item #26 of https://github.com/twoerner/meta-trevor/blob/master/misc/notes |
| 19:54.43 | kroon | fray, tlwoerner, hmpf.. couldn't this thing be taken care of in upstream oe-core ? |
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| 19:56.03 | fray | it's not oe-core.. |
| 19:56.22 | fray | it's the shell.. oe-core just runs screen/shell (or similar) and something triggers the failure -outside- of oe |
| 20:05.39 | kroon | ok. i wish oe-cores devshell env. could ignore the host's, and use its own provided "oe-core certified" environment |
| 20:06.31 | kergoth | if you did that, you wouldn't get your comfortable development environment there, though :) |
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| 20:22.30 | kroon | kergoth, sure.. wouldnt be a problem for me personally though, I usually just use what my distro gives me :-) |
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| 20:27.53 | kergoth | weirdo ;) |
| 20:31.36 | kroon | ha! |
| 20:34.55 | kergoth | seriously though, i wish more software didn't *require* a 9k config file to get working worth a damn |
| 20:35.01 | kergoth | is a fan of stuff working well out of hte box |
| 20:38.17 | Crofton | is a fan for more OE builds working out of the box |
| 20:40.15 | kergoth | if only :) |
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| 20:58.41 | JaMa | Crofton: definetely not, shouldn't wiki at least warn when someone submitted something in between? |
| 20:59.14 | JaMa | tlwoerner: great, please notice list of local changes I have (was included in my last reply there) |
| 21:00.40 | JaMa | Crofton: did you already reverted my change? because only change from me is http://openembedded.org/index.php?title=OEDAM&diff=6965&oldid=6959 |
| 21:01.30 | Crofton | I reverted the bit that dropped tlwoerner |
| 21:01.48 | JaMa | http://openembedded.org/index.php?title=OEDAM&diff=next&oldid=6979 says you reverted your own changes before that :) |
| 21:02.06 | Crofton | It should be OK |
| 21:02.12 | Crofton | we ened to work on the agenda some |
| 21:02.25 | Crofton | maybe I made a mistake |
| 21:02.46 | tlwoerner | must remember to be extra-nice to JaMa and Crofton, in case it gets personal (haha!) |
| 21:03.05 | Crofton | I figure there are a number of peopl ewho will just show up |
| 21:03.12 | Crofton | or are wating on travel approval |
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| 21:55.40 | ant_home | JaMa: hi, pls note 3.10 will need one more patch for machines using standard/base |
| 21:56.01 | ant_home | hopefully 3.14 will be committed soon |
| 21:56.14 | ant_home | very soon |
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