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| 00:21.50 | mr_science | Hodapp: want some examples to look at? |
| 00:23.35 | Hodapp | mr_science: if you have some on hand, sure, I'll look at work tomorrow when I'm on the actual build machine |
| 00:23.53 | mr_science | all my stuff is on github |
| 00:24.18 | mr_science | what kergoth was talking about, custom layer with custom image recipes, etc |
| 00:25.20 | mr_science | https://github.com/sarnold => meta-raspberrypi and meta-alt-desktop-extras |
| 00:25.37 | mr_science | the interesting images are in the second one |
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| 04:35.55 | nerdboy | Hodapp: obviously i wimped out and used includes for the extra apps |
| 04:36.14 | nerdboy | i should probably make some package groups... |
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| 08:18.08 | kroon | morning all |
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| 08:22.29 | tasslehoff | morning |
| 08:23.17 | tasslehoff | upgrading to dora, and though I prefer systemd 204 it still chooses 208. any bitbake commands that can tell me why that decision is made? |
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| 08:26.38 | koen | tasslehoff: does the 204 recipe actually exist in your tree? |
| 08:32.43 | mckoan | good morning |
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| 08:34.38 | tasslehoff | koen: yes. I put it there myself :) |
| 08:34.52 | tasslehoff | koen: have to stay on 204 since I have 2.6.39 |
| 08:35.55 | koen | does bitbake give any output at the start? |
| 08:36.00 | tasslehoff | my goal now is to get 1.5 working with 2.6.39, then move on to 3.10. |
| 08:36.01 | koen | and give bitbake-layers a try |
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| 08:40.08 | tasslehoff | koen: bitbake-layers lists 1:208+gitAUTOINC+255eb046a7 and 204 as alternatives. PREFERRED_VERSION_systemd = "204" in my machine.conf doesn't help. |
| 08:40.22 | tasslehoff | it worked on 1.4 |
| 08:41.41 | tasslehoff | koen: ah. angstrom-v2013.12.conf overrides |
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| 09:42.38 | bluelightning | morning all |
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| 10:22.15 | matt10 | Hi |
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| 11:41.11 | tasslehoff | I want to choose u-boot version "v2013.07+gitAUTOINC+62c175fbb8". What do I put in PREFERRED_VERSION? |
| 11:43.33 | bluelightning | tasslehoff: PREFERRED_VERSION_u-boot = "v2013.07+git%" |
| 11:44.13 | tasslehoff | bluelightning: thanks. |
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| 13:13.31 | tasslehoff | I have two recipes providing virtual/kernel. How do I choose one over the other? |
| 13:15.28 | Crofton|work | PREFERRED_PROVIDER? |
| 13:15.56 | tasslehoff | Crofton|work: that's what I thought, but it still does not like it |
| 13:16.11 | Crofton|work | hmm, that seems odd |
| 13:17.06 | tasslehoff | Crofton|work: I changed preferred provider from linux-sakoman to linux-yocto earlier today. |
| 13:17.15 | tasslehoff | any special cleanup I should do because of that? |
| 13:17.22 | Crofton|work | bot sure |
| 13:17.32 | Crofton|work | bitbake -ccleansstaet virtual/kernel ? |
| 13:17.48 | bluelightning | tasslehoff: what do you mean by "does not like it" ? |
| 13:17.53 | Crofton|work | maybe both the kernel recipes |
| 13:18.59 | tasslehoff | bluelightning: I'll try to express myself better :) |
| 13:19.03 | tasslehoff | http://pastebin.com/rYKg7mVT |
| 13:19.19 | bluelightning | tasslehoff: "This usually means one provides something the other doesn't and should." |
| 13:19.50 | bluelightning | that is a (not very good, I'll admit) pointer as to where to start digging |
| 13:20.13 | tasslehoff | bluelightning: huh. now I see why it happens |
| 13:20.32 | tasslehoff | I tried "bitbake -c cleansstate virtual/kernel linux-sakoman" |
| 13:20.55 | tasslehoff | thus trying to clean two recipes providing virtual/kernel. user error once again. darn. |
| 13:28.31 | mago_ | what is the difference between inherit and include in bitbake? |
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| 13:37.21 | matt10 | inherit refers to /.../classes/*.bbclass |
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| 13:37.59 | bluelightning | matt10: classes/*.bbclass along BBPATH, to be precise |
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| 14:20.26 | mago_ | is there a way to make bitbake display a completely pre-processed recipe? like, expand all inheritance and variables so that it no longer depends on any other files? (pretty much like gcc -E for C preprocessing)? |
| 14:21.17 | matt10 | bitbake -e |
| 14:21.18 | mago_ | i find it very tiresome as a bitbake/OE beginner to traverse the many many layers of inheritance in oe-core just to understand how things work |
| 14:21.45 | matt10 | bitbake -e vim &>my_log |
| 14:24.50 | mago_ | ah, thank you |
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| 14:43.42 | WarheadsSE | Anyone have inclination on the right way & place to trim files from an initramfs image |
| 14:46.11 | WarheadsSE | For example, I want udev, but don't need the hw .db's, and for some reason it is pulling in the kernel to /boot where that is entirely unneeded on an initramfs |
| 15:04.00 | WarheadsSE | Looks like I found it in an IRC log from 2012-11-12 thanks to bluelightning |
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| 15:16.38 | WarheadsSE | The answer, for those looking in the future: ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND |
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| 15:38.18 | mago_ | reading the bitbake "design goals", it says: "Be Linux distribution agnostic for both build and target systems.". Does this mean bitbake shall never use any host tools it did not build itself? if so, is that not more a design goal of openembedded, rather than bitbake? |
| 15:39.14 | mago_ | WarheadsSE, working on OE layer for archlinux ARM? |
| 15:45.34 | kergoth | it'd be impossible to only use host tools it builds itself, as its impossible to build anything without a toolchain |
| 15:46.29 | matt10 | bitbake requires python |
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| 15:46.51 | matt10 | you'll also need chrpath if I remember |
| 15:47.36 | Hodapp | hmm, trying out Yocto now |
| 15:47.46 | Hodapp | it bitched at me that ArchLinux was not an approved build platform |
| 15:47.47 | Hodapp | oh well |
| 15:50.04 | kergoth | it's a warning indicating that it hasn't been officially tested there, it doesn't mean there aren't devs that use it, or that it doesn't work |
| 15:50.36 | Hodapp | yeah, I was interpreting a bit :P |
| 15:50.52 | Hodapp | this laptop is scaring me a little. I am getting segfaults during builds sometimes |
| 15:54.44 | silviof | Hodapp: I use AL, but not for OE. (I have tried it, but here and there are on-again-off-again problems). Now I use a docker setup for this. |
| 15:55.33 | Hodapp | docker? |
| 15:55.55 | kergoth | nice, i keep meaning to try using a docker setup, still using a chroot with schroot myself |
| 15:56.00 | kergoth | one of these days |
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| 16:00.03 | silviof | kergoth: yes this was my long-term setup, but now i'm able to suspend the build-container and resume it on another computer. |
| 16:00.22 | silviof | Hodapp: https://www.docker.io/ |
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| 16:01.41 | Hodapp | ooh... |
| 16:13.34 | Hodapp | silviof: so, you did basically a build environment inside of Docker and you do things from inside there? |
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| 16:14.03 | Hodapp | silviof: and this is sufficiently close to what OE needs in order to build? |
| 16:15.06 | silviof | Hodapp: yes - docker is a interface for lxc containers. in the containers you "run" another distry like ubuntu, debian etc |
| 16:15.21 | Hodapp | iiiiiinteresting. |
| 16:16.29 | kergoth | Hodapp: the advantage to a chroot or VM or docker is having an unchanging fixed host environment, potentially known-sane, avoiding differences between hosts potentially impacting the build (in theory it shouldn't, but in reality host contamination is always a possibility) |
| 16:16.37 | kergoth | quite nice to use something of the sort |
| 16:17.13 | Hodapp | and it looks like, being LXC, it's still plenty lightweight |
| 16:17.43 | kergoth | docker being able to check in changes, source control for your container, as well as easy ways to share your images, is pretty awesome |
| 16:17.48 | kergoth | among other features |
| 16:18.23 | Hodapp | I'm gonna check it out soon |
| 16:18.27 | kergoth | silviof: question, do you enter your container and run your editor, etc from there, or do you share disk in some fashion to do your development outside the container but builds inside? |
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| 16:22.39 | silviof | kergoth: I go two ways. For boards "not-from-us" are use a closed container without sharing pathes etc. For our boards I use shared pathes with host computer. |
| 16:23.10 | silviof | kergoth: not-from-us boards like wandboard etc |
| 16:23.32 | kergoth | ah, interesting |
| 16:23.44 | WarheadsSE | mago_: oh hell no |
| 16:23.48 | WarheadsSE | $dayhob |
| 16:24.30 | WarheadsSE | Hodapp: silviof https://bitbucket.org/WarheadsSE/dockbake |
| 16:24.54 | WarheadsSE | built that for here at work |
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| 16:26.24 | silviof | WarheadsSE: ah nice - i will look into that |
| 16:27.09 | WarheadsSE | might not fit your needs exactly, as it isolates the host, but uses mounts from the host filesystem to handle multiple configurations in an identical-inside-container environment |
| 16:27.44 | WarheadsSE | prevents/reduces host pollution, mitigates mis-configuration & setup issues from machine to machine |
| 16:29.41 | WarheadsSE | I also had patches merged to docker to have the ability to hard-set the docker bridge interface IP range, since their first choice breaks the piss out of Cisco VPN |
| 16:30.00 | Hodapp | yeah, I can see this being really useful |
| 16:30.42 | WarheadsSE | Note: it discards the container immediately after exit, because the container is not the location of stored information, but rather the host mounts |
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| 16:58.04 | zibri | kroon: yup! lunch sounds good. :) |
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| 17:49.16 | kroon | offtopic but let me grunt.. firefox + facebook, 40% cpu usage on my lap :-/ |
| 17:49.35 | kroon | wtf |
| 17:50.06 | kroon | slows down my OE build |
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| 21:25.15 | WarheadsSE | kroon: holy crapola. |
| 21:33.28 | mr_science | wonders who built that firefox |
| 21:34.52 | WarheadsSE | mr_science: probably ubuntu |
| 21:35.25 | mr_science | not the happiest with ubuntu since about version 8 or so |
| 21:35.48 | WarheadsSE | not an ubuntu man myself, but whatev's |
| 21:36.05 | mr_science | it just breaks more than i like... |
| 21:36.45 | mr_science | plus debian works well for me when i need something besides gentoo |
| 21:37.22 | mr_science | needs to get back to making pseudo work on gentoo amd64/multlib |
| 21:37.35 | mr_science | *multilib even |
| 21:38.48 | mr_science | personally, i think gentoo makes the best developer distro |
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