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| 11:20.50 | RP | JaMa: hmm, having the packagegroups always rebuilding isn't ideal :/ |
| 11:22.58 | JaMa | agreed, that's why I was suggesting to use the same PACKAGE_ARCH for them as the packages included in them |
| 11:23.31 | JaMa | which also isn't ideal, but is somewhere in the middle |
| 11:24.25 | JaMa | rebuilding when the (r)dependencies change, but rebuilding just once per architecture |
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| 11:31.34 | RP | JaMa: once per tune effectively |
| 11:32.04 | RP | it seems sad to have to force them all to that behaviour :( |
| 11:40.12 | JaMa | agreed, but at least they are "built" super fast |
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| 11:40.54 | JaMa | once per tune, unless they are really allarch or MACHINE_ARCH :) |
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| 11:44.11 | RP | JaMa: how many cases of this problem do you run into? |
| 11:54.19 | JaMa | I've backported sstatesig.py change 2 days ago and 2 cases (in 6 different images) since then |
| 11:55.14 | JaMa | I've already proposed work around for our cases, where the package with just one library (so possibly renamed by debian.bbclass) is moved from packagegroup to some other recipe RDEPENDS |
| 11:55.56 | JaMa | but because such renames don't happen too often, I guess that there is more cases like this, just hard to trigger them |
| 11:56.13 | JaMa | and people wouldn't understand why it's happening and how to fix it :/ |
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| 12:48.29 | pb_ | morning all |
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| 12:50.39 | pb_ | RP: I seem to be unable to send email due to some poxy firewall here at heathrow, but the answer to your questin about SPE in gcc is yes: it's just a tuning flag like any other, and you can generate either spe or non-spe code with any ppc gcc binary by saying "-mspe" or "-mno-spe" as appropriate. |
| 12:51.05 | pb_ | I'm not quite sure why oe makes such heavy weather of the SPE thing. Conceptually it's no different to, say, -mfpu=neon on ARM. |
| 12:52.01 | pb_ | actually, maybe that's not quite true. I think -mspe does have abi impact, so perhaps it's more like -mfloat-abi=hardvfp or something. |
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| 13:09.56 | woglinde | gm |
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| 14:02.01 | JaMa | sending couple of patches for my part of bug squashing weekend :) |
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| 14:40.12 | Crofton|work | jackmitch|home, remember the boost didn't build on Arch bug? |
| 14:40.28 | Crofton|work | can you update it with your data point the it worked on your Arch machine? |
| 14:41.10 | jackmitch|home | Crofton|work: sure, do you have a bug number |
| 14:42.21 | jackmitch|home | Crofton|work: no worries, got it |
| 14:42.22 | Crofton|work | https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5484 |
| 14:42.27 | jackmitch|home | heh ;) |
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| 14:51.31 | Crofton|work | https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=janitors&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ACCEPTED&bug_status=IN%20PROGRESS%20DESIGN&bug_status=IN%20PROGRESS%20DESIGN%20COMPLETE&bug_status=IN%20PROGRESS%20IMPLEMENTATION&bug_status=IN%20PROGRESS%20REVIEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=WaitForUpstream |
| 15:01.32 | RP | is having "fun" with the bitbake manual |
| 15:01.51 | RP | trying do disentangle whitespace and content changes :( |
| 15:06.04 | JaMa | not saying anything about whitespace consistency :) |
| 15:11.29 | Crofton|work | I need to figure out how to debug X stuff |
| 15:12.01 | Crofton|work | the OE spash appears during boot OK, but X (from x11-base image feature) doesn't display |
| 15:12.10 | Crofton|work | I see the server and matchbix processes |
| 15:14.35 | Crofton|work | [2642378.909] (EE) Failed to load module "modesetting" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 15:15.56 | Crofton|work | [2642980.650] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Device or resource busy |
| 15:16.11 | Crofton|work | [2701363.539] (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. |
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| 15:16.15 | Crofton|work | those are the errors |
| 15:18.14 | koen | did you install xf86-video-modesetting? |
| 15:19.02 | Crofton|work | no |
| 15:19.08 | Crofton|work | what will that do? |
| 15:19.34 | JaMa | probably fix 'Failed to load module "modesetting"' :) |
| 15:19.42 | Crofton|work | yeah |
| 15:19.50 | Crofton|work | I am tryin gto imporve my knowledge :) |
| 15:20.02 | Crofton|work | I wonder why that is not installed from the IMAGE_FEATURE? |
| 15:21.31 | koen | it's a machine thing |
| 15:21.46 | Crofton|work | k |
| 15:22.02 | Crofton|work | would it lead to no display? |
| 15:22.14 | Crofton|work | the device or resource busy look s"bad" |
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| 15:34.44 | Crofton|work | is there an image feature that replaces busybox with real tools? |
| 15:36.47 | koen | I realize image feature is a hammer, but not everything is a nail |
| 15:37.44 | Crofton|work | without explanation, that statement carries little information |
| 15:38.11 | koen | images are meant to give you a predefined set of packages |
| 15:38.22 | koen | all this image features stuff breaks that assumption |
| 15:38.34 | Crofton|work | I'm OK with that |
| 15:38.49 | Crofton|work | I am trying to eat our own dog food |
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| 16:27.26 | JaMa | Crofton: I don't think there is IF for that |
| 16:27.26 | JaMa | I just install coreutils and live with both included in my images |
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| 16:28.04 | Crofton|work | OK |
| 16:34.01 | Crofton|work | I hat ephotrums :) |
| 16:34.02 | Crofton|work | phorums |
| 16:41.47 | RP | Crofton|work: I don;t think we can totally replace busybox right now, we don't have 100% overlap |
| 16:42.21 | Crofton|work | it seems like a "reasonable thing for people to want" |
| 16:42.31 | Crofton|work | curses X |
| 16:42.56 | RP | Crofton|work: so reasonable nobody's sent patches? :) |
| 16:43.07 | RP | seriously, someone send them... |
| 16:43.10 | Crofton|work | I suspect they do what JaMa said :) |
| 16:44.02 | RP | Crofton|work: right, that is certainly easy enough |
| 16:44.36 | Crofton|work | yeah, I'll hav eto poke at it some |
| 16:44.54 | Crofton|work | I hate gettign busybox on machine with large sd cards |
| 16:45.28 | Crofton|work | I want to get X11 goin gon theis lcd and oxroid-xu for fosdem frst |
| 16:45.37 | Crofton|work | my typing is getting really bad |
| 16:46.48 | Crofton|work | http://pastebin.com/0e1mmK3f |
| 16:48.47 | Crofton|work | any idea why pulse is complaining? |
| 16:52.55 | nerdboy | the only thing that looks pulse-related there is the system vs user config |
| 16:53.03 | Crofton|work | yeah |
| 16:53.34 | nerdboy | either run it system wide or start it on login session like normal, i guess |
| 16:54.20 | Crofton|work | my main concern is why doesn't it just work out of the box |
| 16:54.39 | nerdboy | does the image even have login session stuff? |
| 16:55.07 | nerdboy | looks like you need at least the --system thing for now |
| 16:55.59 | nerdboy | if there's no login/display manager then you need to run a system-wide config |
| 16:56.01 | Crofton|work | i look slike the X startup process tries to start pulseaudio |
| 16:56.31 | nerdboy | is it starting a root xsession? |
| 16:56.40 | Crofton|work | I assume so |
| 16:57.03 | Crofton|work | basically this is care-x11-image |
| 16:57.04 | nerdboy | then you need the --systemconfig |
| 16:57.40 | nerdboy | i don't use pulse in my xorg image since i don't have a login manager yet |
| 16:58.11 | Crofton|work | bigger issue is no display when X starts :) |
| 17:01.25 | nerdboy | so you're both deaf and blind? |
| 17:04.39 | Crofton|work | and stupid |
| 17:09.17 | nerdboy | can't hear/see != stupid... |
| 17:09.47 | nerdboy | unless you're deaf and blind from taking viagra |
| 17:09.53 | Crofton|work | the added problem is I am not good at depending x startup issues |
| 17:09.58 | Crofton|work | on un tested hw |
| 17:10.55 | Crofton|work | if I start wo X/psplash, I think I expect a login prompt on the lcd panel |
| 17:11.07 | Crofton|work | psplash does look ok |
| 17:12.28 | kroon | viagra, deafness, blindness, /me learns lots of new interesting stuff from #oe :-D |
| 17:12.52 | Crofton|work | yep |
| 17:13.03 | Crofton|work | this is a good exercise |
| 17:13.05 | nerdboy | well, yeah, i would expect one of a) console login, b) dm login, or 3) straight into X |
| 17:13.42 | Crofton|work | one area I want to see OE improve is have more stuff work out of the box |
| 17:14.51 | nerdboy | for every combination of distro/machine features? |
| 17:15.35 | Crofton|work | every sane combo at least :) |
| 17:16.03 | Crofton|work | the pulse thing for example |
| 17:16.14 | Crofton|work | we are trying to run it as root, so it need the option |
| 17:16.15 | nerdboy | making the X images use a dm would help |
| 17:17.07 | nerdboy | if the minimal X image booted up to slim that would be moot |
| 17:17.10 | Crofton|work | 90% of my problem is that desktop X has just worked for so long, I forget how it works :) |
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| 17:18.05 | nerdboy | Just Works with things like pulse requires a full desktop for "default" configs to work |
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| 17:18.45 | nerdboy | *full as in conslekit/policykit/dbus/display-manager etc... |
| 17:19.53 | nerdboy | at least a minimal "sane" session handling chain as it were |
| 17:20.46 | nerdboy | that's on my list for the layer i just broke out |
| 17:22.01 | nerdboy | ie, getting slim in my xorg/openbox image and adding a default "pi" user instead of booting straight into a root desktop |
| 17:23.19 | nerdboy | i'm open to suggestions for a better name than "meta-alt-desktop-extras" |
| 17:24.59 | nerdboy | i thought about calling it "alt-wesley-crusher-die-die-die" but that name was taken... |
| 17:25.38 | Crofton|work | rofl |
| 17:25.48 | nerdboy | usenet joke anyone? |
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| 18:25.25 | nerdboy | now back to "wtf is up with mupdf?" |
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| 20:41.55 | nerdboy | okay, it builds again |
| 20:42.10 | nerdboy | just not the tools... |
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| 20:54.02 | nerdboy | it's there for bbb but not for rpi |
| 21:14.30 | nerdboy | is it a TUNE issue maybe? |
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