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| 07:39.41 | mckoan | good morning |
| 07:48.27 | pb_ | hi mckoan, all |
| 07:49.35 | ant_work | it looks like here in EU we only work in IT and UK today... |
| 07:50.17 | ant_work | trying now to reach FR customer |
| 07:54.29 | pb_ | oh, is today VE day or something? |
| 07:56.16 | woglinde | pb its called himmelfahrt or vater/fatherday in germany |
| 07:57.18 | mckoan | ant_work: :-O |
| 07:57.46 | ynezz | yes, frog eaters seems to have holidays |
| 07:57.48 | ant_work | it's Europe Day :D |
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| 07:59.37 | bluelightning | morning all |
| 07:59.56 | mckoan | gm bluelightning, all |
| 08:00.15 | bluelightning | hi mckoan |
| 08:01.26 | woglinde | hi bluelightning |
| 08:01.33 | bluelightning | hi woglinde |
| 08:07.58 | pb_ | hi bluelightning |
| 08:08.02 | bluelightning | hi pb_ |
| 08:09.02 | pb_ | ant_work: ah yes, so it is. apparently VE day was yesterday for everyone except the Russians and Ukrainians. |
| 08:10.29 | ant_work | I see |
| 08:10.33 | pb_ | I guess we don't have Europe Day as a holiday here because there are already two public holidays in May and that would be too much. :-} |
| 08:10.49 | ant_work | heh |
| 08:10.54 | ant_work | gm bluelightning btw |
| 08:11.06 | bluelightning | morning ant_work |
| 08:12.23 | ant_work | see, I may have found a relict yesterday: core-image-minimal-mtdutils |
| 08:13.06 | ant_work | IMAGE_INSTALL += "mtd-utils" won't do the catch anymore after package-split refactoring |
| 08:13.33 | ant_work | dunno if send a fix or a patch to remove that imahe |
| 08:14.56 | bluelightning | ant_work: I'd say RFC its removal... I've not heard of anyone using it recently FWIW |
| 08:16.01 | ant_work | ok |
| 08:21.55 | apelete | good morning |
| 08:22.53 | bluelightning | hi apelete |
| 08:24.01 | apelete | hi bluelightning, mckoan, pb_, ant_work, woglinde, ynezz |
| 08:37.08 | hrw | hello |
| 08:41.38 | bluelightning | hi hrw |
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| 08:48.46 | hrw | and v2 of gdb sent |
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| 09:19.15 | silvio_ | morning all, apelete, bluelightning, mckoan |
| 09:27.51 | apelete | hi silvio_, hrw |
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| 15:05.59 | roric | just pulled master oe-core and bitbake, but get some python errors: File "sanity.bbclass", line 14, in check_gcc_march(sanity_data=<bb.data_smart.DataSmart object at 0x34d7e10>) |
| 15:06.00 | roric | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'getstatusoutput |
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| 15:11.22 | roric | interesting because a from commands import getstatusoutput manually in the python interpreter works.. |
| 15:17.14 | roric | aha... oe-core now requires python3, since subprocess lacks getstatusoutput in python 2.x |
| 15:17.28 | eren | roric: oh? |
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| 15:18.27 | roric | erbo, sanity.bbclass uses subprocess.getstatusoutput, seems to be python3, python2 had a getstatusoutput in commands (used by bitbake) |
| 15:18.49 | roric | eren, meant to send to you :) |
| 15:19.33 | eren | roric: ah, okkie :) |
| 15:19.40 | eren | I was happy with python 2.7 though |
| 15:19.46 | RP | pb_: your comment about LEAD_SONAME made me smile :) |
| 15:19.47 | roric | eren, this commit seem to break it: |
| 15:19.48 | roric | e2e1dcd7 meta/classes/sanity.bbclass (Richard Purdie 2013-05-07 13:56:05 +0100 345) import subprocess |
| 15:19.49 | eren | sooner or later, we all need to switch to py3k |
| 15:19.56 | RP | pb_: We should kill that variable |
| 15:20.09 | roric | eren, maybe you have an older checkout than 2 days ago? |
| 15:20.25 | RP | roric: pull again as that was just fixed |
| 15:20.44 | roric | RP, ah :) great |
| 15:20.49 | eren | roric: I haven't touched my OE repositories for 3 days |
| 15:20.58 | eren | I'm waiting for uni sysadmins to open a VPN account for me |
| 15:20.59 | roric | eren, wow working on old stuff ;-) hehe |
| 15:21.21 | eren | they are so slow, and they suck at managing the uni network |
| 15:21.27 | eren | anyway, this is off-topic : |
| 15:21.29 | eren | :) |
| 15:21.43 | roric | RP, have you really pushed it? |
| 15:22.21 | RP | roric: er, no, try now, sorry |
| 15:22.36 | RP | one of those days :/ |
| 15:23.23 | roric | RP, national holiday in your country too? ;) |
| 15:23.49 | roric | RP, it works with python2.7 again |
| 15:24.02 | RP | roric: Things just not going quite right |
| 15:24.10 | RP | roric: great |
| 15:26.28 | pb_ | RP: yeah, I think I added that one in the first place and I have regretted it ever since. |
| 15:27.43 | pb_ | I have a feeling that the reason for adding it was that, at the time, I was under the mistaken impression that we should package glibc the way Debian did (i.e. all in one .deb) and I needed a way to get the shared library autonaming to come out right. |
| 15:29.00 | RP | pb_: I think we all have times we've done that... |
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| 16:18.27 | hrw | I pushed hrw/libtirpc branch to oecore-contrib repo. It was rejected but maybe someone find it useful for some reasons. |
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| 16:27.44 | bluelightning | hrw: thanks |
| 16:28.19 | hrw | bluelightning: part of cleanups which I do related to my work end |
| 16:28.29 | bluelightning | hrw: right, I guessed |
| 16:28.37 | hrw | bluelightning: is OTC hiring OE devs? |
| 16:28.56 | bluelightning | hrw: not atm that I am aware of, but I'll let you know if that changes |
| 16:29.20 | hrw | bluelightning: thanks, just looking around ;) |
| 16:29.43 | hrw | hrw@linux.intel.com again would be good |
| 16:31.25 | woglinde | hrw hm |
| 16:55.11 | mr_science | OTC? |
| 16:57.39 | mr_science | ah, intel... |
| 16:58.07 | hrw | ok, long email sent to oecore and linaro-dev with info about Linaro layers |
| 16:58.17 | hrw | mr_science: Open Technology Center |
| 16:58.37 | hrw | mr_science: which is not fully open as they have also 'cursed MS Windows team' |
| 16:58.44 | hrw | or had 4.5 year ago |
| 17:02.08 | mr_science | tries to come up with a metaphor for "windows and open source" |
| 17:02.11 | bluelightning | hrw: OTC doesn't include Windows anymore, FWIW |
| 17:02.32 | hrw | bluelightning: yay! |
| 17:02.33 | bluelightning | (assuming it did, I wasn't here when it did so) |
| 17:05.58 | bluelightning | hrw: we have a new site at 01.org FYI |
| 17:06.48 | hrw | bluelightning: I know :) powertop is there and I have few OTC tshirts |
| 17:06.58 | hrw | very nice cotton ;D |
| 17:07.16 | bluelightning | hrw: yeah that t-shirt is one of my favourites, mostly for the material :) |
| 17:08.55 | bluelightning | could do with having some OE t-shirts really |
| 17:09.52 | hrw | bluelightning: there was just one OE tshirt. at 2006 oedem |
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| 17:10.16 | bluelightning | ah ok... time for a new one maybe |
| 17:25.01 | mr_science | i like tshirts... |
| 17:27.11 | bluelightning | I'd suggest setting up a cafepress for OE but the last t-shirt I had from them (a while ago) was quite poor quality |
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| 17:29.25 | pb_ | yeah, it would be a neat idea to have some oe t-shirts done. I think last time we tried that, the stumbling block was getting some decent artwork to go on them. |
| 17:29.48 | pb_ | if the current oe logo is available somewhere as a vector file then that should be fine though |
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| 17:31.00 | eren | how would you distribute it? |
| 17:32.38 | pb_ | what, the artwork? |
| 17:32.44 | eren | no, the t-shirt |
| 17:33.22 | pb_ | well, I guess we can cover about 90% of developers by sending a pallet-load to intel. presumably they have an internal mail system of some sort :-} |
| 17:33.47 | pb_ | otherwise, no problem, you can pick them up from my office. |
| 17:34.09 | pb_ | more seriously though, traditionally we distributed those sorts of things at fosdems, linuxtags and the like. |
| 17:34.14 | pb_ | and oedems, of course, if we have them anymore |
| 17:34.15 | eren | hehe, thanks but it would mean at least 11-hours flight for me + $1.200 :P |
| 17:34.33 | bluelightning | pb_: if only it were that simple :) we had some interesting issues transporting quantities of yocto project shirts to different countries |
| 17:34.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:35.12 | eren | I will probably be in Germany 1 month later, I'm not sure if there is any linux conferences between June - September |
| 17:36.13 | pb_ | mm, dunno. to be honest, the oe presence in germany has faded a bit of late since Florian and Mickey grew up and had children. |
| 17:37.06 | eren | hm |
| 17:37.31 | pb_ | there are a bunch of developers (me included) for whom jumping on a plane and going to a conference on a whim is no longer quite such a trivial undertaking as it used to be. |
| 17:37.53 | bluelightning | the OE logo is available here FWIW: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded/tree/contrib/artwork |
| 17:38.00 | pb_ | ah right, very good |
| 17:38.11 | bluelightning | reminds me, we really need a new repo for that kind of "collateral" stuff |
| 17:38.26 | pb_ | well, if I have some time and enthusiasm tomorrow, I might see about having a few printed up. send me your size requests if appropriate. |
| 17:40.04 | eren | pb_: ah, decline in German presence is sad |
| 17:41.13 | eren | probably I'm the only one participating from Turkey. I'm not currently actively engaged due to my finals and other things, I'm thinking of speeding up later |
| 17:41.45 | bluelightning | eren: thanks for submitting meta-hamradio :) hopefully beth gets some time to contribute to it at some point |
| 17:42.11 | pb_ | crumbs, is turkey really an 11-hour flight away? |
| 17:42.13 | eren | bluelightning: my pleasure :) only aprx is in there right now. I will package svxlink and some logging stuff |
| 17:44.18 | eren | pb_: well, accordingly to Turkish Airlines, LTBA (Istanbul) to LAX takes 13:45 |
| 17:44.23 | eren | non-stop |
| 17:44.42 | pb_ | ah, well, LAX is about 12 hours from here as well. :-} |
| 17:44.49 | pb_ | how long does LTBA to LHR take? |
| 17:51.03 | eren | pb_: 4:10 |
| 17:51.27 | eren | pb_: btw, the other name of the airport should be IST |
| 17:51.38 | eren | IATA, ICAO difference :) |
| 17:54.16 | eren | hm, the tickets are quite expensive. |
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| 18:15.10 | jeroen_ | if someone has time for nonsense stuff (building on BSD) would he be so kind to shed a bit of light on building the cross compiler..? |
| 18:16.34 | jeroen_ | in the cross compiler work dir are 3 folders now, binutils-cross, gcc-cross-initial and linux libc headers.. |
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| 18:17.10 | jeroen_ | This seems like 3 recipes in one to me.. |
| 18:18.15 | kergoth | the crosscompiler build process consists of a number of recipes, yes |
| 18:18.26 | jeroen_ | I would have expected to first build gcc-cross-initial, then cross-libc, folllowed by complete gcc-cross and then binutils-cross (the native is already there).. |
| 18:19.11 | jeroen_ | right, so I should start with gcc-cross-initial I suspose...? |
| 18:19.15 | woglinde | why bintuils-cross at the end? |
| 18:21.30 | jeroen_ | then there is a full blown compiler, the native owns are already compiled... (but perhaps there is arch specific code in there..?) but elf utils are in general the same I guess... |
| 18:24.47 | jeroen_ | s/owns/ones |
| 18:28.00 | kergoth | jeroen_: it builds what it has to. and you don't need to 'start' anywhere, the tools build a toolchain if and when it needs one |
| 18:29.14 | jeroen_ | kergoth: not here ;).. I guess I need to spell it out for him.. |
| 18:29.47 | woglinde | ? |
| 18:29.52 | woglinde | bitbake gcc-cross |
| 18:29.53 | kergoth | the 'spelling out' is already done, in the recipes themselves, as dependencies |
| 18:29.56 | kergoth | no clue what you're talking about there |
| 18:30.08 | kergoth | if you have a problem, then post the errors you're seeing somewhere |
| 18:30.10 | woglinde | and you have the cross compiler |
| 18:30.31 | woglinde | and I bet fbsd breaks on bintuils |
| 18:36.09 | jeroen_ | woglinde: I has no reason to, bitbake -c devshell pseudo |
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| 18:36.30 | jeroen_ | which automake |
| 18:36.41 | jeroen_ | /usr/opt/poky/bpp3/tmp-eglibc/sysroots/i386-freebsd/usr/bin/automake |
| 18:37.10 | jeroen_ | woglinde: unless oe is not as self contained as it claims to be.. |
| 18:38.15 | jeroen_ | woglinde: ow, binutils, nevermind, I have autotools in my mind as a big problem... |
| 18:39.35 | kergoth | what does automake or pseudo have to do with anything? |
| 18:42.18 | jeroen_ | kergoth: there is no port yet for pseudo for FreeBSD... |
| 18:42.52 | jeroen_ | kergoth: automake is ancient on FreeBSD and an pain in the *** with versioning |
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| 19:35.04 | Crofton | JaMa, did I send anything adding x86-64 support to numpy for meta-oe? |
| 19:36.42 | _rink | automake on freebsd is ancient? |
| 19:36.57 | _rink | jeroen_, you do know that they like to suffix it with the version? i.e. automake-1.11 etc |
| 19:38.02 | Daemon404 | jeroen_, doesnt ports have newer vers |
| 19:38.04 | Daemon404 | and a wrapper even |
| 19:39.37 | _rink | Daemon404, automake isn't in the base system |
| 19:39.47 | Daemon404 | yeah i know |
| 19:39.49 | Daemon404 | hence i said ports. |
| 19:40.21 | _rink | pretty sure ports would have newer version; maybe a portsnap fetch update will fix his problems :D |
| 19:42.17 | Daemon404 | daemon404@bb-nas:~$ pkg_version -v | cut -d" " -f1 | grep auto |
| 19:42.18 | Daemon404 | autoconf-2.69 |
| 19:42.18 | Daemon404 | autoconf-wrapper-20101119 |
| 19:42.18 | Daemon404 | automake-1.12.6 |
| 19:42.18 | Daemon404 | automake-wrapper-20101119 |
| 19:42.20 | Daemon404 | ^ current |
| 19:42.28 | Daemon404 | in ports i mean |
| 19:45.23 | JaMa | Crofton: I don't know, if it isn't in patchwork queue then I don't remember |
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| 19:54.24 | Crofton | I do not think I did |
| 19:54.30 | Crofton | I jsut sent it |
| 19:54.40 | Crofton | it was sitting on my disk for a while, not checked in |
| 19:57.04 | JaMa | _dv_: how confident you're about your gstreamer-1.0 recipes? I would like to test newer webkit-efl to see if it builds correctly with gcc-4.8 but revisions newer then last 3 months require gstreamer-1.0 |
| 19:57.27 | JaMa | so I'm wondering if enabling your gst layer will help me to test it quickly or bring more issues :) |
| 20:02.51 | mr_science | gcc upgrades are always fun... |
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| 20:59.03 | hollisb | JaMa: is it just -efl that requires gst 1.0? what about other ports? |
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| 21:02.56 | JaMa | hollisb: other too |
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| 21:03.25 | JaMa | hollisb: support for gst-0.10 was removed completely in 142756 (0.11.5) |
| 21:04.58 | JaMa | hollisb: but you can disable gst support in webkit if you want |
| 21:07.57 | hollisb | JaMa: interesting |
| 21:08.18 | hollisb | JaMa: 0.10 seems to be clinging to life longer than I'd expect :-) |
| 21:09.15 | hollisb | so it's interesting to see it finally disappearing |
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| 21:19.01 | jeroen_ | Daemon404, _rink: until now the automake isn't the biggest problem.. |
| 21:19.20 | jeroen_ | mostly sed's in the recipes.. |
| 21:20.00 | jeroen_ | and eyes, ports, has up 2 date version, question is if oe pulls them in... |
| 21:26.13 | jeroen_ | Daemon404, _rink: more tomorrow, the whole point is oe should be self contained and not be that dependend on os / clang etc |
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