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| 06:26.31 | hchapman | Are there any good write-ups on how companies/teams manage their local OE setups vs upstream? |
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| 08:42.09 | hrw | | * check_data_file_clashes: Package font-alias wants to install file /home/hrw/HDD/devel/canonical/aarch64/openembedded/build/tmp-eglibc/work/genericarmv8-oe-linux/core-image-lsb-dev/1.0-r0/rootfs/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias |
| 08:42.13 | hrw | | But that file is already provided by package * xorg-minimal-fonts |
| 08:42.16 | hrw | ugly |
| 08:42.21 | hrw | hchapman: ping |
| 08:43.21 | hrw | hchapman: take a look at http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=openembedded/meta-aarch64.git and http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=openembedded/meta-linaro.git repos. I use them both + meta-openembedded + openembedded-core for doing my builds |
| 08:44.39 | hrw | hchapman: there are some bbappend files to change packages (pulseaudio in meta-aarch64 has other dependencies), own images (linaro-image-minimal is core-image-minimal + nfs + ssh) |
| 08:45.47 | hrw | hchapman: came back at better time - european day would be perfect |
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| 09:14.00 | hchapman | hrw: thanks! |
| 09:16.34 | hchapman | Maybe a stupid question: Could I, for example, create a layer, meta-hchapman, that layers on top of meta-aarch64 and uses its kernel bbapand files and then my own in my layer, too? Or do I have to copy the aarch64 changes into my own layer? |
| 09:17.27 | hchapman | I guess it's about 10:15 in France. Of course, it is sunday. |
| 09:22.45 | hrw | hchapman: you better do not layer on top of meta-aarch64. unless you do some bringup for aarch64 architecture. |
| 09:23.06 | hrw | some of changes in that layer may break other architectures |
| 09:24.18 | hrw | hchapman: for most of situations own layer on top of oe-core + meta-oe is enoug |
| 09:24.19 | hrw | h |
| 09:24.21 | hchapman | hrw: well, in my case, I'd be using the meta-gumstix layer which has special tweaks for their boards, except we have our own custom board which requires some u-boot and kernel MUX and code changes. For the most part we want everything they do with a few changes here and there for us. |
| 09:24.41 | hrw | cool |
| 09:25.28 | hchapman | so, would I make our layer in parallel to theirs? or would I clone and branch theirs to suit us? I'm just looking for what has worked for others. |
| 09:26.05 | hrw | if you need their changes and your changes are separate to theirs then parallel |
| 09:26.22 | hrw | if you need to change their layer then two options |
| 09:26.25 | hchapman | I think I understand the new layers approach of OE-core (we're on OE-dev) only about 75%. |
| 09:26.50 | hrw | 1. branch their and do own changes. cons: you have to merge all their changes each time |
| 09:27.16 | hchapman | Well, they would add an overo/ subtree to U-boot and we would change things in their added files to make sense for our pinouts |
| 09:27.18 | hrw | 2. make your layer on top of their layer. pros: just fetch their layer, no merging. |
| 09:27.37 | hchapman | 2 seems more appealinh |
| 09:27.47 | hrw | yes |
| 09:28.01 | hchapman | will the recipes stack? |
| 09:28.18 | hrw | from time to time you will have to do some managing work due to version changes or patches changed but doable |
| 09:28.32 | hchapman | Our current bit bake doesn't and so I'm not sure how the bbappends work. |
| 09:28.38 | hrw | layers have priority field |
| 09:28.58 | hrw | but I do not remember how stack of bbappends behave |
| 09:29.27 | hchapman | right. we would lock to a version of their repo and then have a (e.g.) quarterly process of reviewing all our upstream repos and decided how far to move forward. |
| 09:29.34 | hrw | layers were done when I was off from OE ;D |
| 09:29.48 | hrw | good idea |
| 09:30.00 | hchapman | We've been stuck on OE-dev and not even a recent release. |
| 09:30.19 | hrw | hchapman: remember to freeze on all layers |
| 09:30.30 | hrw | OE-dev as OE/classic no layers? |
| 09:30.33 | hchapman | Well, I'm just trying to avoid a lot of maintenance merging and other busy work |
| 09:30.46 | hchapman | freeze? |
| 09:30.52 | hchapman | yes |
| 09:30.56 | hchapman | OE classic |
| 09:31.06 | hrw | fetch all needed layers and use one set of revisions for longer time |
| 09:31.08 | hchapman | they call it OE-dev in all of the wikis and docs. |
| 09:31.19 | hchapman | yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 09:31.54 | hrw | I always had problem with OE wikis/docs. wrote some parts of them but nearly never read them |
| 09:32.13 | hchapman | we're a very small team, 4-5, and everything other than coding falls to me. Well, plus coding. So, if I want time to code... |
| 09:32.22 | hrw | in March I will celebrate 9 years with Oe |
| 09:32.26 | hchapman | nice |
| 09:32.39 | hchapman | I spent a lot of time with buildroot before OE. |
| 09:33.37 | hchapman | I've found the yocto docs to be quite helpful |
| 09:35.38 | hchapman | I think it would be nice if there were a "Maintainers" manual that covered the kind of questions I have. It would also cover how to setup OE for teams where you share build state and package output between a central build server and dev machines. |
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| 09:36.39 | hchapman | It seems like there are finally docs for single devs getting started, but nothing about how to use OE in a team environment. |
| 09:37.33 | hchapman | I'm looking forward to getting that kind of stuff working. Currently, if I make a single tweak to Qt, every dev's next build will take 1-4 hours while they wait for Qt to be re-built. |
| 09:38.20 | hchapman | Also, it would help to keep the size of the dev VMs down. |
| 09:40.45 | hchapman | Out of curiosity: do you know what parts of "tmp" are required to be copied in order to duplicate a build environment. I.e, I've copied all of the layers. Now I want to copy the bare minimum to produce a build. I'd also love to wipe out my sysroot folders and figure out how to get OE to rebuild them just using the pieces needed currently for my build. |
| 09:41.04 | hchapman | gets back to work. |
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| 09:44.27 | hrw | do not copy TMPDIR at all |
| 09:44.38 | hrw | share sstate-cache |
| 09:44.46 | hchapman | I see. |
| 09:45.03 | hrw | hchapman: check http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2013/01/11/doing-openembedded-builds-in-ram/ |
| 09:45.32 | hrw | hchapman: in http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/archives/ you can find more OE related posts but most are about OE classic |
| 09:46.21 | hchapman | cool |
| 09:46.55 | hchapman | OE classic articles are still relevant as I migrate us from dev to core |
| 09:50.58 | hchapman | The RAM bit just sunk in… For my day to day development of a couple small recipes and production of build images, I could wipe out my TMPDIR and put it in RAM. |
| 09:51.32 | hchapman | which would be big enough to build our apps and produce an image. |
| 09:52.10 | hchapman | well, depending on what gets generated. I'll try that on disk and see how big TMPDIR is when I'm done. |
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| 12:11.53 | jkroon_ | Is it possible to run a raspberrypi sd img in qemu ? |
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| 12:58.31 | DJW|Home | kroon: it requires a bit of messing about and you will need "-cpu arm1136-r2" support in your qemu so pretty recent GIT. It's been a while since I messed with it as RPi's are not exactly hard to come by to mess with ;) |
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| 13:01.39 | kroon | DJW|Home, ok.. I thought it was "-cpu arm1176" ? I'm using qemu-linaro from git, and I do see a arm1136-r2 in the list, so I'll give it a shot |
| 13:02.46 | DJW|Home | kroon: IIRC the old profile is lacking some fixes needed for the RPi but I can't vouch for it. Also, as mentioned its been a fair while since I tried the images on qemu ;) |
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| 13:55.59 | kroon | I'm confused.. I have created my own image, that just inherits from core-image. If I build this image, I get the kernel-modules installed in the resulting image. If now add a line 'IMAGE_INSTALL += "e-wm"', the resulting image will _not_ have the kernel-modules shipped with it... |
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| 14:24.13 | kroon | oh.. think I get it, I guess I was setting IMAGE_INSTALL to "e-wm" only, thereby skipping packagegroup-core-boot |
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| 17:52.15 | *** topic/#oe is OpenEmbedded Developer Lounge | Web: http://openembedded.org | Repositories: http://git.openembedded.org/ | Primary Repo Mirrors: https://github.com/openembedded | This is not a distro or machine support channel |
| 17:56.32 | Crofton|work | there are a few of use using the gnuradio recipe |
| 17:56.44 | Crofton|work | and I know the other guys keep editing the options it is built with :) |
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| 18:23.16 | Crofton|work | gah |
| 18:23.30 | Crofton|work | PACKAGECONFIG does not work with cmake recipes |
| 18:23.53 | Crofton|work | RP, awake? |
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| 22:32.00 | RP | Crofton|work: technicallu |
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| 22:51.20 | Crofton|work | RP, would adding |
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| 22:51.37 | Crofton|work | + appendVar('EXTRA_OECONF', extraconf) |
| 22:52.05 | Crofton|work | + appendVar('EXTRA_OECMAKE', extraconf) |
| 22:52.10 | Crofton|work | be OK? |
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