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| 06:44.11 | zecke | pb_: good morning. I have a weird glibc/mmap ARM vs. x86 question |
| 06:44.53 | zecke | pb_: 1.) for (;;) munmap(mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE | MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0)); |
| 06:45.45 | zecke | pb_: on x86 (3.2.0 debian) i always get the same address.. on arm (3.2.29) i get randomized addresses (a small range) |
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| 08:14.38 | bluelightning | morning all |
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| 08:17.00 | gmc | morning all.. how do i exclude the kernel image (/boot/uImage*) from the rootfs in oe-core?? |
| 08:17.18 | gmc | i've found dozen of ways to do it in classic, but so far none to do it in oe-core |
| 08:18.00 | gmc | it seems module.bbclass is pulling it in as a dependency (why it does that is currently beyond me, but accepting that as a fact) |
| 08:18.45 | bluelightning | gmc: two things |
| 08:18.48 | bluelightning | RDEPENDS_kernel-base = "" |
| 08:19.01 | gmc | where would i put that line? |
| 08:19.13 | gmc | i have that in my image .bb file now, but with no effect |
| 08:20.10 | bluelightning | gmc: no, it needs to be in your local config or more properly in your distro config |
| 08:20.42 | gmc | allright.. actually, i don't have a distro at the moment :) |
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| 08:21.03 | bluelightning | right, local.conf will suffice temporarily |
| 08:21.17 | bluelightning | but creating your own distro config isn't too tricky |
| 08:21.18 | gmc | i should probably start defining a distro though |
| 08:21.39 | bluelightning | module.bbclass is unconditionally adding an RDEPENDS on kernel-image, yes... I'm not sure that's always desirable |
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| 08:22.20 | gmc | i would understand a DEPENDS, an RDEPENDS is semantically incorrect i think.. |
| 08:22.58 | bluelightning | well, no, it's a correct statement (kernel-image is a package so it's a valid runtime target) |
| 08:23.12 | gmc | well yes, but you don't need the kernel image to load a module |
| 08:23.27 | gmc | you just need it booted.. it doesn't have to be on the same filesystem, or on a filesystem at all |
| 08:23.28 | bluelightning | it already DEPENDS on virtual/kernel, that takes care of build time |
| 08:23.40 | bluelightning | right, I'm also unclear on why it would be needed |
| 08:23.45 | gmc | anyway, philosophical discussion :) |
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| 08:24.06 | bluelightning | well, I think these things are worth looking at if they can be improved |
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| 08:24.20 | gmc | one thing i'm also struggling with is how to build different variants of the same 'distro' so to speak, but for slighlty different targets |
| 08:24.41 | bluelightning | by different targets do you mean different machines? |
| 08:24.51 | gmc | bluelightning: true, improvement is good, but i'm not qualified at this point to suggest a solution,can only point at potential issues :) |
| 08:24.59 | gmc | no, not really different machines.. |
| 08:25.07 | gmc | slightly different instantiations of the same machine.. |
| 08:25.25 | gmc | the canonical way would be to make it different machines.. |
| 08:25.44 | bluelightning | well, it depends on whether "instantiations" means different features in the hardware or not |
| 08:25.45 | gmc | but they only differ in some external hardware hooked up to the soc pins and a slightly different rootfs |
| 08:25.55 | bluelightning | if not, it's not really a different machine config situation |
| 08:26.12 | bluelightning | ok, could be multiple machine configs then |
| 08:26.32 | gmc | yep.. that's how i would do it initially |
| 08:26.57 | gmc | but it can be quite convenient to be able to have, say, two image recipes 'foobar-a-image.bb' and 'foobar-b-image.bb'.. |
| 08:27.13 | gmc | so you can simply build them from within the same oe environment without having to change local.conf |
| 08:27.37 | bluelightning | if the differences are in terms of package selection that's perfectly doable |
| 08:27.58 | bluelightning | it's only when the hardware differences imply some recipe compilation difference that that won't work |
| 08:28.08 | gmc | package selection, but also kernel config, u-boot config, and some subtle changes in eg base-files and netbase |
| 08:28.39 | gmc | so there's actually two kernels, one for a and one for b.. and that complicates matters a bit (what with preferred-provider for virtual/kernel and all) |
| 08:28.56 | bluelightning | ok, that's probably not going to be possible out of the box - we only support one PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel for example |
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| 08:29.40 | gmc | yep, that's why i'm struggling :) i'm going to think about it some more.. |
| 08:29.40 | bluelightning | the best fit at the moment would be separate machine configs |
| 08:29.52 | bluelightning | but with some engineering it could be possible |
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| 08:31.44 | gmc | the question being whether the engineering effort outweighs the slight benefit of not having to edit local.conf |
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| 08:31.58 | gmc | i'm undecided on it, but external forces push me the other way :) |
| 08:33.04 | gmc | could probably set the preferred providers dynamically based on the PN we're building or something, although it feels a bit hackish |
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| 08:36.02 | gmc | bluelightning: tnx for hearing me out again! i can move ahead with more confidence now that i've not missed something really obvious :) |
| 08:36.31 | bluelightning | np |
| 08:36.53 | bluelightning | it's worth noting that module.bbclass is only used for external modules (I guess you probably know that already though) |
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| 09:16.44 | gmc | i guess i have to remove everything and rebuild from scratch when changing to a distribution? |
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| 09:20.23 | bluelightning | gmc: depends on whether you are using master with BB_SIGNATURE_HANDLER = "OEBasicHash" or otherwise how much that distro deviates from what you already built with |
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| 09:22.03 | gmc | i'm mostly wondering because it doesn't pick up the RDEPENDS_kernel-base thing.. |
| 09:22.22 | gmc | it does parse the distro conf though, because if i inject garbage i get a syntax error for the file |
| 09:23.14 | xim | Everything is parsed, regardless of what target you make. |
| 09:23.45 | xim | (Haven't been following the conversation, just throing myself in here :p) |
| 09:24.01 | gmc | ah so there is a chance it is somehow not picking up my distro conf then? |
| 09:27.39 | bluelightning | gmc: if you have BB_SIGNATURE_HANDLER = "OEBasic" it won't force rebuilds due to variable values changing |
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| 09:28.25 | bluelightning | gmc: in which case you need to force the rebuild manually either by bumping PR or bitbake -c clean virtual/kernel |
| 09:29.23 | xim | I have the habit of just deleting the whole world and rebuilding overnight whenever anything like this pops up :p |
| 09:30.00 | gmc | i am not aware of having changed BB_SIGNATURE_HANDLER so i'm guessing i have the default |
| 09:36.08 | bluelightning | gmc: you can double check just by doing: bitbake -e | grep ^BB_SIGNATURE_HANDLER |
| 09:37.14 | gmc | interesting setting that, BB_SIGNATURE_HANDLER |
| 09:38.46 | bluelightning | fairly low-level |
| 09:39.17 | xim | Using the hashed variant triggers a lot of rebuilds, potentially? |
| 09:41.16 | xim | Are there other options than basic and basichash? |
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| 09:48.54 | bluelightning | xim: yes, if the change is lower down in the chain it can force a lot of rebuilds; that may often be the right answer |
| 09:49.20 | bluelightning | xim: there aren't any other options no, but OEBasicHash does have some policy which stops certain things from changing the hash |
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| 09:49.33 | bluelightning | for example changes to quilt-native won't force everything to rebuild |
| 09:52.46 | xim | bluelightning: Cool, nice to know =) |
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| 11:15.09 | gmc | any hints on building an SDK with openembedded-core? pointers to docco? or an example? |
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| 12:07.08 | pb_ | hi all |
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| 13:21.06 | silvio_ | hi all |
| 13:28.39 | hrw | which binutils does nativesdk-eglibc use for linking? |
| 13:28.53 | hrw | host one, binutils-native one? binutils-nativesdk one? |
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| 15:32.24 | hrw | tmp-eglibc/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/libexec/x86_64-oesdk-linux.gcc-crosssdk-initial/gcc/x86_64-oesdk-linux/4.7.2/ld - from which package it came? |
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| 16:12.15 | khem | JaMa: around ? |
| 16:13.45 | khem | hrw: it should be an intermediate artifact created by gcc-crosssdk-initial |
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| 16:15.04 | hrw | khem: or binutils-crosssdk |
| 16:15.35 | hrw | khem: switched from 2.23.51.20120918 to 2.22 == nativesdk-eglibc compiled |
| 16:23.20 | khem | hrw: I am missing context |
| 16:23.27 | khem | are you trying my 2.23 patches ? |
| 16:23.44 | khem | hrw: or some linaro binutils |
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| 16:38.27 | hrw | khem: I have meta-aarch64 layer where I have binutils-git, gcc with ARM/aarch64-4.7-branch, linux-libc-dev from aarch64 tree etc |
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| 17:06.47 | khem | hrw: ok |
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