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| 00:19.09 | vadmium | If I bitbake libpng, it installs some libraries and symbolic linnks in sysroots/. . ./usr/lib |
| 00:19.42 | vadmium | and if I do bitbake -c cleanall, it deletes most of the libraries but leaves broken symlinks, is that expected or normal? |
| 00:21.11 | vadmium | cos I think it's making a flex recipe qa_staging task crash |
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| 04:22.28 | CIA-5 | 03Denys Dmytriyenko <denys@ti.com> 07master * r5b3df8cc52 10openembedded.git/conf/local.conf.sample: |
| 04:22.28 | CIA-5 | local.conf: add example to use external angstrom toolchain |
| 04:22.28 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Denys Dmytriyenko <denys@ti.com> |
| 04:22.39 | CIA-5 | 03Denys Dmytriyenko <denys@ti.com> 07master * r7af507bde1 10openembedded.git/recipes/meta/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:22.39 | CIA-5 | external-toolchain-angstrom: use pre-built Angstrom toolchain |
| 04:22.39 | CIA-5 | * Use pre-built Angstrom toolchain available from [1] as external one |
| 04:22.39 | CIA-5 | [1] http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/ |
| 04:22.39 | CIA-5 | Signed-off-by: Denys Dmytriyenko <denys@ti.com> |
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| 06:24.07 | NotTooDumb3 | is there any alternative to make clean in oe, without loosing the source code? |
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| 07:16.31 | nataraj | Hi |
| 07:16.53 | nataraj | getting udev errors when booting Angstrom with a custom kernel |
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| 08:44.22 | woglinde | gm ant |
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| 08:48.59 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 08:49.15 | eFfeM_work | hi woglinde, hrw, all |
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| 08:54.15 | woglinde | hi effem |
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| 09:01.03 | woglinde | hi mickeyl |
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| 09:05.42 | woglinde | hi bluelightning |
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| 09:09.56 | mickey|office | morning woglinde |
| 09:09.58 | mickey|office | hi bluelightning |
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| 09:29.58 | mckoan | good morning |
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| 10:00.57 | Jay7 | oh.. |
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| 10:01.15 | Jay7 | qemu-native from oe-core will have dependency on alsa |
| 10:01.26 | Jay7 | as I see from oe-core ML |
| 10:02.12 | Jay7 | so, now on build host I should have sdl+glx+alsa |
| 10:03.00 | woglinde | jay7 its not finally discussed |
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| 10:05.47 | Jay7 | well.. qemu have wav driver |
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| 10:06.11 | woglinde | Jay7 sure |
| 10:06.23 | Jay7 | imho this is enough for runtime testing purposes |
| 10:06.29 | woglinde | jay7 but do you know its working under arm the qemu devices? |
| 10:07.54 | Jay7 | no, haven't checked |
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| 10:12.48 | Jay7 | hm.. |
| 10:12.58 | Jay7 | other question wrt qemu |
| 10:13.17 | Jay7 | what is purpose of non-native qemu then? |
| 10:13.27 | Jay7 | I've thought we have only native |
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| 10:16.30 | tasslehoff | where does one set no_console_suspend? new kernel config, change the code, kernel bootarg? |
| 10:16.32 | Jay7 | hm.. or may be I was right and we have only native.. |
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| 10:46.31 | eFfeM_work | hey likewise |
| 11:00.05 | ant_work | hello eFfeM_work |
| 11:00.20 | eFfeM_work | hi ant_work, how are you doing ? |
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| 11:12.56 | woglinde | jay7 seems koen made the dessicion |
| 11:13.00 | woglinde | with qemu and alsa |
| 11:13.03 | woglinde | lunch now |
| 11:13.16 | Jay7 | yeah.. |
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| 12:29.00 | davies11 | Hello, I recently compiled the x11-image, and I seem to be having problems with Python (2.6.6) - the "subprocess" module is missing. Any ideas? |
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| 12:33.31 | tasslehoff | davies11: I have "IMAGE_INSTALL += python-subprocess" in my rootfs.bb (which I based on console-image.bb) |
| 12:35.49 | davies11 | tasslehoff: That requires there to be a python-subprocess recipe though, no? Because when I try to bitbake it, it says "nothing supplies python-subprocess" |
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| 12:38.14 | tasslehoff | davies11: if I understand correctly, what you list there is packages. do a "find -name python*.ipk" in the deploy dir. |
| 12:38.15 | JaMa | python-subprocess is defined in recipes/python/python-2.6-manifest.inc |
| 12:38.33 | tasslehoff | if I don't understand correctly, please correct me :) |
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| 12:42.59 | JaMa | davies11: "bitbake python-subprocess" will fail (but adding it to IMAGE_INSTALL is ok, because it's runtime package name) |
| 12:43.15 | davies11 | JaMa: I see it has ${PN}-subprocess in the PROVIDES variable, but still I get "NoProvider: python-subprocess" |
| 12:43.26 | davies11 | ah I see |
| 12:43.37 | JaMa | davies11: or better add it to RDEPENDS_${PN} in recipe which needs it |
| 12:43.37 | davies11 | alright, I'll try that, thanks |
| 12:47.36 | davies11 | tasslehoff: You're right, I seem to already have in my deploy dir, it just wasn't installed.. weird. Thanks :) |
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| 12:52.30 | john_poulpe | Hi, I am new to OE and trying to make an image derived from micro-image. When I add "iptables" to IMAGE_INSTALL it builds many deps related to x11/gtk that I don't want. How can I fix this? |
| 12:53.48 | woglinde | john_poulpe remove bluetooth from building |
| 12:53.57 | woglinde | but thats not so easy for a newbie |
| 12:54.12 | woglinde | john_poulpe besides the building the xstuff will not end in the image |
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| 13:02.56 | john_poulpe | Ok, I'll try it. Just curious, how do you get this info? I tried bitbake -g, but no success. |
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| 13:03.13 | woglinde | ? |
| 13:03.17 | woglinde | ah |
| 13:03.29 | woglinde | thats known by finding it out |
| 13:03.33 | woglinde | long time ago |
| 13:03.54 | woglinde | you have to check tasks stuff |
| 13:04.00 | woglinde | like base |
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| 13:50.52 | john_poulpe | bluez4 is still selected after I remove bluetooth from MACHINE_FEATURES and DISTRO_FEATURES, what am I missing ? |
| 13:51.22 | woglinde | modules |
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| 13:59.15 | pb__ | florian: good morning |
| 14:00.13 | Crofton | do we have a qmake guru around? |
| 14:01.03 | Crofton | http://pastebin.com/46BhrDUQ |
| 14:01.22 | Crofton | is what happened when I ran qmake on an omap3 system |
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| 14:01.43 | Crofton | seems like the qmake recipe uses some OE vars from the cross build ... |
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| 14:11.24 | florian | hi pb__ |
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| 14:17.34 | mwester-laptop | john_poulpe: bluez is a virus. Getting rid of it in distro images requires significant skills and tenacity... use the -g option to bitbake, and track down the dependencies to see what is pulling it in. |
| 14:18.07 | woglinde | mwester-laptop? |
| 14:18.18 | woglinde | I already said why xstuff is dragged in |
| 14:18.31 | woglinde | machine bla has bulez modules |
| 14:18.36 | woglinde | which drags in blued |
| 14:18.39 | woglinde | ups bluez |
| 14:18.45 | woglinde | which drags in gstreamer |
| 14:18.53 | woglinde | thats it |
| 14:19.10 | mwester-laptop | Yep. Which I describe, tongue-in-cheek, as "virus-like" behavior. |
| 14:20.04 | mwester-laptop | It's not very different than if a machine has a framebuffer, the recipes end up building and pulling in "wesnoth" |
| 14:20.57 | mwester-laptop | Which is, of course, ridiculous. But apparently, if your machine can ever possibly have a bluetooth dongle plugged in, then it's good to build X11, gstreamer, and everything else. |
| 14:21.08 | mwester-laptop | Which I have been trying -- unsuccessfully -- to fix. |
| 14:22.41 | mwester-laptop | I'll continue to work on it since it seems that I'm not the only person who finds this broken. But I am so very curious why it is that this is not considered a problem for anyone else. Is it really the case that I'm the only person who has a device that lacks a framebuffer?? |
| 14:24.20 | Crofton|work | flash is getting cheaper |
| 14:25.17 | Crofton|work | mwester-laptop, you may also want to beat that drum with the oe-core guys |
| 14:25.20 | mwester-laptop | My soldering skills are lacking, but even if I soldered in a few more chips, I don't think the typical user of the device would find that common. |
| 14:25.31 | Crofton|work | they are likely more motivated to come up with a solution |
| 14:25.54 | mwester-laptop | I've mentioned that to them -- I'm really hoping that oe-core will fix this. |
| 14:26.31 | mwester-laptop | I'll pull out what little hair I have left if they decide that gstreamer is oe-core! |
| 14:26.41 | JaMa | "USE-flags" discussion is on current TSC agenda IIRC.. |
| 14:27.05 | woglinde | oh no |
| 14:27.40 | mwester-laptop | It's been mentioned that I should implement a machine feature for X11. I'm flattered that there are folks here who think my skills are actually adequate to do such a complex thing! |
| 14:27.49 | JaMa | but that's IMHO this problem.. someone wants bluez with gstreamer support someone doesn't |
| 14:28.25 | pb__ | JaMa: that latter thing is just a bluez packaging suckage. |
| 14:28.54 | JaMa | pb__: if the problem is that's pulled to target image.. |
| 14:29.07 | pb__ | JaMa: pardon? |
| 14:29.17 | JaMa | pb__: won't help with build time for bluez.. "bluetooth dongle plugged in, then it's good to build X11, gstreamer, and everything else." |
| 14:29.18 | mwester-laptop | I haven't been able to "fix" it ("hack" might be a better word) by just changing bluez. So I think it's more than that. |
| 14:29.29 | pb__ | JaMa: no, that's not what I meant. the build time thing is a packaging suckage. |
| 14:29.35 | pb__ | or, perhaps more precisely, a recipe suckage. |
| 14:29.44 | JaMa | pb__: how? |
| 14:29.56 | JaMa | pb__: split to 2 recipes? |
| 14:29.58 | pb__ | JaMa: because bluez4 is a single monolithic recipe and there is no way to build just part of it. |
| 14:30.14 | mwester-laptop | There's bluez-libs, no? |
| 14:30.21 | pb__ | bluez3 was packaged slightly better (though still not perfect) but the upgrade to bluez4 was a bit retrograde in that respect. |
| 14:30.49 | JaMa | pb__: ah now I see what you mean.. |
| 14:31.07 | pb__ | with bluez3, the gstreamer plugin was a separate recipe, so folks who didn't want it didn't have to build it (and hence didn't have to build its dependency chain) |
| 14:31.33 | pb__ | if it had been kept that way for bluez4 then this issue wouldn't have arisen, but (regrettably) it was all folded into a single .bb file |
| 14:31.50 | mwester-laptop | There's really two problems -- one is the unncecessary stuff pulled into the image (that I've fixed), and the other is the build time -- that I have not been able to fix yet. |
| 14:31.59 | pb__ | mwester-laptop: yeah, you can build the libs separately, but sadly the libs alone are not quite enough for a "core" bluez system |
| 14:32.18 | pb__ | so, most people still end up building all the apps in order to just get the basic tools |
| 14:32.27 | JaMa | pb__: but that's again "USE-flags" at least as they are used in gentoo, without maintenance of 2-3 recipes building separate parts of same sources |
| 14:32.33 | pb__ | mwester-laptop: is your situation that you just plain don't want bluez at all? |
| 14:32.59 | mwester-laptop | pb__: I wish to support bluetooth networking, at a minimum. |
| 14:33.01 | pb__ | JaMa: well, no. the point about having separate recipes is that, if your image or whatever depends on bluez-gstreamer-plugin, then it will get built. |
| 14:33.32 | pb__ | mwester-laptop: ah, ok. so you do also want the core bits of bluez, PAN and that kind of thing, but not gstreamer or headsets and that sort of thing? |
| 14:34.16 | mwester-laptop | That's the compromise I think I must make, in order to fit it in. The NSLU2 lacks sufficient RAM and CPU to do the audio, and that is the most common device. |
| 14:34.28 | pb__ | right, sounds reasonable |
| 14:34.37 | pb__ | that's pretty much the situation I was also in last time I was looking at this stuff. |
| 14:34.53 | pb__ | I am fairly convinced that the right (perhaps only) way to fix it is to split up the monolithic bluez4 recipe. |
| 14:35.09 | pb__ | or go back to bluez3, which might or might not be an option for you |
| 14:36.16 | mwester-laptop | I'm on teh final week of a four-week on-the-road trip, so I think I'll have to go back to this next week. I had hoped that I could get away with bluez-libs, but if that is not the case, I'll have to reconsider. |
| 14:36.31 | pb__ | no, bluez-libs isn't quite enough. you will also need bluetoothd and maybe hciattach. |
| 14:36.52 | mwester-laptop | Ok, thanks for clearing that up. :) |
| 14:37.04 | pb__ | bluez-libs is enough to build other bluetooth-using apps (i.e. it gives you the libraries that you need to link against) but it is not sufficient on its own to give you a working bluetooth system at run time. |
| 14:37.46 | pb__ | kergoth did have a recipe at one point for a bluez4-apps package which would build on top of bluez4-libs. That would be a place to start if you wanted to split it up further. |
| 14:38.09 | mwester-laptop | Hmmm... so bluez-libs is a dependency I might put into the SDK, but I would need bluez4 in order to get the base distro to support a dongle. |
| 14:38.18 | pb__ | right, exactly |
| 14:42.41 | bluelightning | it would be really nice to clean up the bluez recipes |
| 14:43.12 | bluelightning | do we still have a lot of stuff hanging around that requires bluez3? |
| 14:43.24 | pb__ | hardly anything to my knowledge |
| 14:43.35 | woglinde | bluelightning the cases stands for over 2 years now |
| 14:43.39 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:43.40 | pb__ | angstrom and their derivates have had bluez3 blacklisted for ages |
| 14:43.41 | woglinde | I have up |
| 14:43.50 | woglinde | ups gave up |
| 14:44.15 | mwester-laptop | I hadn't even thought it to be an option, so I have focused on bluez4. |
| 14:57.43 | pb__ | Focussing on bluez4 probably is the right thing to do for the long term, so I don't think you made any error there. |
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| 15:16.42 | Crofton|work | once upon a time A ran into a guy that needed bluez3 because the equivalent thing in 4 didn't work |
| 15:16.47 | Crofton|work | but that was a while back |
| 15:17.13 | Crofton|work | Hopefully, whatever the problem was has been fixed in 4 by now :) |
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| 15:47.47 | Wayne_ | Is anyone aware of any information on the web regarding the use OE images in commercial products? |
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| 15:51.37 | Crofton | what do you mean? |
| 15:51.42 | Crofton | Wayne_, ? |
| 15:52.15 | Wayne_ | The legalities to be specific |
| 15:53.20 | Crofton | THe same as for any gpl based product |
| 15:53.45 | Crofton | since I think it is hard to have an image without any gpl sw :) |
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| 15:55.34 | Wayne_ | I would say I'm relatively new to open source, anything I have done to date is basically prototyping so never really had to think too much about licensing |
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| 15:57.22 | Wayne_ | it has been suggested to have a look at putting a prototype to market, so I had better swot up on all the different types of licenses. |
| 16:05.14 | hollisb | Wayne_: you had better talk to a lawyer then, rather than some folks on IRC... :) |
| 16:07.38 | Wayne_ | good call, no idea why the manager put this my way and not to some legal body? Might just bounce this one back to him |
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| 19:35.39 | kergoth | https://gist.github.com/880013 - in case anyone else would find such a thing useful, not having it had been bugging me for a while |
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| 20:26.28 | denix | kergoth: ah, interesting... |
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| 20:31.24 | kergoth | denix: updated, has options to list cached repositories and sanitize their urls |
| 20:32.49 | kergoth | might switch his oe project area script to use this rather than git-new-workdir |
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| 20:38.57 | denix | kergoth: thanks. unfortunately, from what I can see, it seems that --reference only works with local caches... |
| 20:39.22 | woglinde | denix seems the libatomic-ops problem only occurs with older gcc |
| 20:39.30 | woglinde | with 4.5 even mips dont need it |
| 20:39.49 | woglinde | at least for pulse and cairo |
| 20:40.14 | kergoth | denix: that's correct, yes. if your cache is remote, there's no point in using this at all, just clone from the mirror url and git remote set-url origin <real upstream url> if you want your clones to be initated from the mirror but really point upstream |
| 20:42.08 | denix | kergoth: hmm, will that pull from original uri when it's newer than the mirror? |
| 20:43.41 | denix | woglinde: which part of it? libatomic-ops not having primitives or cairo not building against libatomic-ops or even not looking for libatomic-ops? :) |
| 20:44.29 | kergoth | denix: not sure what you mean by that. a remote points at one place, period. set-url will change origin to point at upstream, and no operations against that remote will ever go against the mirror again, just the clone. |
| 20:44.51 | kergoth | the other option would be to have multiple remotes for mirror vs upstream, etc, but that's just a headache for day to day use and updates, really |
| 20:46.05 | ka6sox-home | so an outdated mirror will cause a failure unless you use set-url but for only that package? |
| 20:46.25 | woglinde | denix hm? |
| 20:46.51 | denix | kergoth: right, so all the pulls will go to upstream, while the mirror is only used for initial clone. in most cases that's good enough. sometimes you may want to keep using the mirror though. but I guess playing with multiple remotes is not that bad :) |
| 20:46.59 | woglinde | denix with gcc-4.5 cairo uses gcc build in stuff |
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| 20:48.08 | denix | woglinde: hmm, ok. even when libatomic-ops is present? does it set the corresponding define to "Intel"? |
| 20:48.26 | woglinde | even when it is present |
| 20:48.35 | woglinde | as I wrote |
| 20:48.54 | woglinde | when the two functions are found no other lock search is done |
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| 20:49.19 | mdnneo | hi i have some problems with the g_ether usb gadget. |
| 20:49.33 | woglinde | mdnneo in which case? |
| 20:49.41 | kergoth | ka6sox-home: not sure what you mean by that. if you clone from an outdated mirror, you just have old content, not a failure, until you update it and pull from it or pull from upstream directly |
| 20:50.04 | mdnneo | i could start it with modprobe g_ether and configure with ifconfig usb0 ....up |
| 20:50.21 | woglinde | mdnneo sure |
| 20:50.27 | mdnneo | but then i could not ping "myselfe" with the ip given in ifconfig |
| 20:50.37 | kergoth | mutters |
| 20:50.55 | woglinde | mdnneo did you load the cdc driver on your hostside? |
| 20:51.01 | woglinde | kergoth whats up? |
| 20:51.22 | woglinde | fighted with icedtea6-1.10 the whole day |
| 20:52.17 | kergoth | woglinde: monday :P |
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| 20:52.50 | mdnneo | can you give me some more details im pretty new to linux stuff. i just also include the g_cdc.ko gadget but i dont know how to load? |
| 20:53.13 | woglinde | mdneo on your device you need g_ether |
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| 20:53.44 | woglinde | no your host you need the cdc_acm modul |
| 20:56.30 | mdnneo | ah sorry now i think i know what you mean, as host i want to use my win 7 pc with the linux.inf rndis driver but if i attach my device to the pc it always just says unknown device. because of this i want to test g_ether on my device somehow so i tried to ping myself |
| 20:57.17 | mdnneo | this works on my ubuntu virtualbox but not on my device |
| 21:00.18 | denix | so, oe.dev is slowly dying? has everyone switched to oe-core already? :) |
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