| 00:02.02 | Jay7 | well.. time to fire testbuilder up on new release testing branch.. |
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| 00:28.05 | demigod2k | ok back home so I don't have my work email to continue the discussion :) so did you mean OE is pulling the libs from STAGING_DIR rather than from my external toolchain path? |
| 00:29.02 | demigod2k | it seemed to me like nano just lacked a -lncurses. it looked like a more simple substitution error to me since there was a goofy -l/home/something/. I didnt track it down at the time |
| 00:48.06 | tharvey | kergoth, is there a bitbake-1.11 coming anytime soon? wondering when .bbappend will make it in a release |
| 00:48.18 | kergoth_ | tharvey: not on the bitbake mailing list? |
| 00:48.29 | tharvey | oops nope... let me go read up on that :) |
| 00:48.31 | tharvey | sry |
| 00:50.06 | fray | where is the current bitbake mailing list? |
| 00:50.18 | tharvey | http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.bitbake.devel/ is what I'm reading |
| 00:50.40 | tharvey | kergoth, nice... looking forward to 1.12 soonish |
| 00:54.12 | demigod2k | fray: at least I got the busybox compiled before giving up for the day |
| 00:59.03 | fray | demigod2k :) |
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| 01:00.00 | demigod2k | so one thing I don't get... the *.bb files, are they code (ie. loaded right into the same namespace like bitbake) or are they parsed as datafiles to drive the process? |
| 01:01.04 | fray | both |
| 01:01.12 | Tartarus | because we like to be in pain, all the time:) |
| 01:01.15 | fray | they are fully parsed -- but they contain code used to run specific items |
| 01:01.57 | fray | the inherit rules load default build instructions.. the items in the do_.... () { ... } statements override, append, modifyt he default rules.. |
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| 01:03.16 | demigod2k | I was leaning toward the code side since I saw so many files that have these fairly-random seeming things that looked like variable names to me. for example in the external-toolchain-csl.bb there's stuff like INSANE_SKIP_nscd = True |
| 01:03.46 | demigod2k | it was like... ok. looks like a variable definition. how does that get pulled in somewhere except if the entire thing was a giant #include *.bb |
| 01:04.38 | fray | yes, the variables are added to hte local data when the recipes are parsed.. |
| 01:04.56 | fray | the inbuilt functions and/or user provided ones can then use those data functions to do things.. |
| 01:05.19 | demigod2k | ok that makes me think like the *.bb all get linked in and it's one giant script/program running |
| 01:05.19 | fray | something like INSANE_SKIP_nscd -- when the nscd package is being processed automatically translates into INSANE_SKIP |
| 01:05.43 | fray | so when something looks to see if INSANE_SKIP == True, then it will trigger it.. but only for the nscd package |
| 01:06.02 | fray | no it's actually parsed.. but it's all parsed at the beginning of the program |
| 01:06.20 | fray | that creates the overall data sets.. which are then manipulated and transformed as the build actions occur.. |
| 01:06.33 | demigod2k | hm. interesting. I guess I'm constrasting against something like ant or msbuild that might be driven by an XML file with a strict schema. this is basically code so anything goes in here. right? |
| 01:06.34 | fray | this allows for global defaults with recipe or context specific overrides |
| 01:06.56 | fray | there is a format / policy.. but it's not "formal" like XML |
| 01:07.29 | demigod2k | or maybe like an ini file. it's not like name-value pairs, there's a standard way to do it but its still ultimately code |
| 01:07.36 | fray | this goes back to the we really need to document all of the switches and such.. the core set of variables is well documented in the recipe examples I've seen.. (as well as the recipes themselves by usage).. it's things like "INSANE_SKIP" that you just need to know what they do |
| 01:08.15 | fray | bitbake has it's own scripting (lack of a better term) language... thats parsed and allows a mix of raw variables, python and shell scripts |
| 01:08.37 | fray | variables are really just meta data in a non-strict format |
| 01:08.50 | demigod2k | hm. I see it kind of like how buildroot does it. with makefiles they just assume "there must exist a rule called xxx" in each makefile |
| 01:09.18 | demigod2k | it does some extra crap around there, you can put extra crap in there yourself, but the API is that it calls some rule called XX_clean, or XX_install, or whatever at each stage |
| 01:09.20 | fray | there is a set of standard actions and rules, with defaults -- some of which are empty |
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| 01:09.43 | fray | then the inherit autotools (or similar) starts to fill in those defaults with actions that know how to build software conforming to GNU autotools.. etc |
| 01:10.17 | demigod2k | another thing I couldn't quite figure out, like in external-toolchain-* there are a bunch of depends, and other places there are a ton of virtual/*. Are those documented somewhere? |
| 01:10.25 | fray | ya.. the actions are "do_fetch", "do_unpack", "do_patch", "do_configure", "do_compile", "do_install", "do_package"... and a few others |
| 01:10.53 | demigod2k | unfortunately external-toolchain- may be the most complicated possible example but those names seemed to be fairly random. like I need to have a libc package. or a glibc package. or... well... whatever it's looking for in that particular place :) |
| 01:11.10 | fray | depends come from the recipes themelves.. by default the recipe is a provide that matches depends.. for the virtuals, individual recipes (or other files) need to say "I provide this virtual item" |
| 01:12.10 | demigod2k | it might've been nasty here since OE tries to provide that stuff itself somehow (even though, well, it cannot possibly make a compiler for my chip). so it was my job to know those and provide my preferred gcc, g++, glibc, gcc-internal, etc. |
| 01:12.16 | fray | as part of the parsing.. there are also a number of default variables that all recipes contain.. like PN is the name of the recipe.. PV is the version.. |
| 01:12.19 | fray | has to go.. later! |
| 01:12.20 | demigod2k | luckily the -csl was a good starting place but its not like I knew what those names should be |
| 01:12.43 | demigod2k | ya those ones are at least documented in the usermanual its the base packages mainly. later! |
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| 08:22.29 | eFfeM_work | grg, Jay7 backreading the log, thanks for your messages; actually I proposed this to the board 10 days ago, but never got any feedback on it |
| 08:24.27 | eFfeM_work | also feels that it would be good if all TSC members actually have a presence in #oe if only to ask about developer opinions and/or pick up issues |
| 08:26.49 | woglinde | effem whats the problem? |
| 08:27.01 | woglinde | sometimes you seem a little bit to pedantic |
| 08:28.00 | woglinde | there is no mubarak in oe-community which put you in a hidden jail |
| 08:28.48 | ant_work | hi eFfeM_work , woglinde |
| 08:28.57 | woglinde | hi ant |
| 08:31.54 | eFfeM_work | hi ant_work, woglinde |
| 08:34.12 | eFfeM_work | woglinde: I was somewhat irritated yesterday, but I do feel that the board and the tsc should be more open to the community, after all this is a community project and in order to get the most support it seems best to inform and involve the communjity members as good as possible |
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| 08:34.29 | woglinde | they will do |
| 08:34.40 | woglinde | gm rob_w |
| 08:35.15 | rob_w | gm woglinde |
| 08:36.28 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: The mails from the board haven been send to the devel list. All this iterim TSC has "done" so far is to setup a ml and negotiate a weekly meeting date |
| 08:36.48 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: Most likely monday 9pm GMT on IRC |
| 08:37.09 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: The minutes will come timely for this 1-2 days worst |
| 08:37.27 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: I will personally look into getting the minutes out even more quickly |
| 08:37.46 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: its one of the biggest issues I had before. Not enough info what TSC was doing |
| 08:38.08 | woglinde | stefan *g* not info is effem biggest problem |
| 08:38.10 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: Now you have the same status on infos as the interim TSC has. :) |
| 08:38.12 | woglinde | +enough |
| 08:39.26 | eFfeM_work | stefan_schmidt: if you want things to be open why not open up the tsc mailing list or archive for members reading and/or allow (perhaps r/o) access to the irc channel. |
| 08:40.07 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: This is something I would like to bring up on the Agenda |
| 08:40.35 | stefan_schmidt | eFfeM_work: But the interim TSC is not there to fix all the community/people problems but to get the oe-core stuff moving forward |
| 08:40.54 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, I have a lecture now. Will be back later |
| 08:41.12 | eFfeM_work | woglinde: actually I feel that community members that want to be involved should be involved as much as possible, personally I would even be in favour to involve them into the discussion in the tsc channel (but ony tsc members have a vote when it comes to deciding thigns) |
| 08:42.08 | woglinde | effem and you dont believe in the board? |
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| 08:42.18 | woglinde | I belevie them more than our politicans |
| 08:42.21 | woglinde | hi ensc |
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| 08:43.55 | eFfeM_work | woglinde: I feel this should be as open as possible and let everyone who wants to participate and have a say |
| 08:44.05 | JaMa | agree, that public irc sessions would be fine |
| 08:44.19 | eFfeM_work | and of course at some point things need to be decided and you need a way to get to decisions |
| 08:45.31 | JaMa | but I don't share your concerns about current interim TSC.. it's much better to have someone to deal with yocto than to discuss how we can have someone like that |
| 08:46.01 | eFfeM_work | but somehow I feel currently too many things are done outside the general public, e.g. why did the board choose the people who expressed interest on the mailing list spontaneously but did not consider those who expressed interest by mail, and why did they not ask if there were others who wanted to participate? |
| 08:46.44 | eFfeM_work | as such it does resemble the behaviour of our politicians, although fortunately we have no Wilders in the OE board ;-) |
| 08:47.19 | woglinde | for interim stuff there is normaly no asking |
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| 08:47.48 | eFfeM_work | JaMa: I have no problems with the interim TSC as such only the way it is constructed |
| 08:48.10 | woglinde | effem calm down and in 2 months its all over |
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| 08:49.24 | eFfeM_work | woglinde: perhaps true, but this is one of the most important steps in OE (and if it is an interim stuff then I think it should be interim and last as short as possible (but as long as needed), now I see people being added to the TSC without election for almost a year (assuming the 2 months voting) |
| 08:49.31 | woglinde | and be sure I will vote for you in the next voting |
| 08:49.40 | ynezz | well, I personally also wonder why it's hidden |
| 08:49.51 | woglinde | so dont have to read the thousends emails for not being open |
| 08:50.19 | ant_work | to be honest, the fact are contradicting what's written here http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/TSCCharter |
| 08:50.34 | ynezz | redmine and chilli project, good example |
| 08:51.57 | ynezz | https://www.chiliproject.org/projects/chiliproject/wiki/Why_Fork |
| 08:54.28 | woglinde | ynezz go fork *g* |
| 08:54.49 | ynezz | :) |
| 08:55.35 | ynezz | I don't want that same happens to OE, that's all |
| 08:56.21 | woglinde | why should this happen? |
| 08:58.25 | ynezz | well, the fork is maybe strong word here |
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| 09:03.30 | Jay7 | hm.. what is cheapest HW with ethernet and usb-host? :) |
| 09:03.43 | ynezz | arduino? :p |
| 09:03.46 | CIA-2 | 03Henning Heinold <heinold@inf.fu-berlin.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * reae7de3042 10openembedded.git/recipes/libsdl/libsdl-mixer_1.2.11.bb: libsdl-mixer: fix it the same way as the libsdl recipe and bump PR |
| 09:03.56 | CIA-2 | 03Henning Heinold <heinold@inf.fu-berlin.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * ra5d1ff6e86 10openembedded.git/recipes/libsdl/libsdl-directfb_1.2.9.bb: libsdl-directfb: delete unpinned version 1.2.9 |
| 09:04.56 | ynezz | Jay7: some WiFi AP probably, depends on flash/ram and cpu/computing power you need |
| 09:05.10 | Jay7 | ah, hm.. good idea |
| 09:05.16 | Jay7 | some dlink + *wrt |
| 09:05.33 | Jay7 | e.g. dir-320 |
| 09:06.26 | Jay7 | have sven ups with usb and xenserver w/o NUT |
| 09:07.43 | ynezz | 32MB RAM, hm |
| 09:07.53 | ynezz | but the flash seems small |
| 09:08.04 | Jay7 | so my idea is having some device which will monitor UPS and shutdown xenserver properly :) |
| 09:09.33 | ynezz | ah, than it's enough resources |
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| 09:10.21 | Jay7 | hmhm.. I can even still have ethernet+wifi bridge as a bonus :) |
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| 09:16.04 | esbenh | MeeGone.... |
| 09:16.36 | ka6sox | another one bites the dust. |
| 09:16.58 | woglinde | esbenh *g* |
| 09:17.14 | woglinde | the poor suse guy |
| 09:17.19 | esbenh | sheds a tear over his N900 |
| 09:17.20 | woglinde | one year for nothing |
| 09:17.28 | JaMa | yeah :/ |
| 09:17.34 | esbenh | a shame that they did not manage to take advantage of the work done on the maemo project |
| 09:18.09 | esbenh | well, Intel have not wasted the year |
| 09:18.13 | woglinde | problem n900 got not ROI |
| 09:18.32 | woglinde | you cannt do this many projects |
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| 09:18.40 | woglinde | not in capitalism |
| 09:19.07 | esbenh | having worked in the mobile phone business (Siemens -> BenQ -> Motorola), the missing ROI on N900 is purely a matter of lack of strategic leadership |
| 09:19.21 | esbenh | you will never make anything resembling ROI on the first product in a new platform. |
| 09:19.58 | esbenh | which is why I had a really hard time to see the vision of the maemo->meego decission seen from Nokia perspective |
| 09:20.24 | esbenh | Intel, OTOH have just gained a lot of free work from Nokia to their embedded Linux OS.... |
| 09:22.31 | woglinde | hm |
| 09:22.38 | woglinde | the problem is |
| 09:22.44 | woglinde | what will intel do with it? |
| 09:23.21 | woglinde | thats the same problem as nokia has |
| 09:23.25 | esbenh | I guess they will continue their strategic spending in MeeGo |
| 09:23.54 | woglinde | but intel has more selling fields than nokia |
| 09:24.18 | ka6sox | fails to see how a company that can't produce an x86 that doesn't have a TDP of less than 7watts can call itself embedded, (having sold off their ARM business) |
| 09:24.22 | woglinde | esbenh did you here of any sucessfull meego device? |
| 09:24.31 | esbenh | Well, Nokia has much more trouble than Intel. Nokia is loosing their markets fast, while Intel is doing quite well, and can thus decide to keep on spending in R&D |
| 09:24.47 | woglinde | esbenh exactly thats what I meant |
| 09:25.15 | esbenh | not all embedded systems are that power critical |
| 09:25.26 | esbenh | take fx. in-vehicle systems |
| 09:25.58 | esbenh | their are clearly embedded systems, but does have the benefit of a significantly better power budget than fx. mobile phones. |
| 09:26.01 | ka6sox | esbenh, okay I shouldn't talk, my first embedded linux project is still powered by an x86 part. |
| 09:26.20 | esbenh | embedded != small |
| 09:27.05 | woglinde | hm ka6sox btw. |
| 09:27.10 | woglinde | or good night? |
| 09:27.14 | Jay7 | Do nokia already announced which platform they will be using? |
| 09:27.33 | ka6sox | funny thing is that we had a 10" touchscreen and an x86...still works 12yrs later |
| 09:27.35 | Jay7 | I fear they will choose Win Phone |
| 09:27.37 | esbenh | M$ |
| 09:27.45 | ka6sox | they did |
| 09:27.55 | Jay7 | sh$t |
| 09:28.25 | esbenh | Choosing my next smartphone just go slightly more challenging |
| 09:28.30 | ka6sox | esbenh, I guess with the rush to handheld devices I forgot the non-power critical sector. |
| 09:28.33 | Jay7 | yeah.. |
| 09:28.40 | Jay7 | seems HTC.. |
| 09:28.41 | esbenh | perhaps an HP WebOS phone... |
| 09:28.50 | Jay7 | or HP, yes |
| 09:29.01 | JaMa | Jay7: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-and-microsoft-enter-strategic-alliance-on-windows-phone-b/ |
| 09:29.10 | ka6sox | having played with the new ones last night they are better than before. |
| 09:29.14 | ka6sox | (the HP ones) |
| 09:29.28 | esbenh | ka6sox: I am mainly working on deeply-embedded devices for industrial usage. Typically without any input devices and with lots of power. |
| 09:30.01 | ka6sox | esbenh, I have to make things work on 1ma of power if I can. |
| 09:30.27 | ka6sox | its a challenge to make a logger that can go for 6months on drycells. |
| 09:34.19 | ka6sox | the Pre3 has a better keyboad and they fixed the slider |
| 09:34.41 | ka6sox | the "veer" is almost small enough to call a "watch phone" |
| 09:41.05 | esbenh | I just hope that we will see danish operator support for WebOS phones... |
| 09:41.48 | ka6sox | does O2 operate in Denmark? |
| 09:41.59 | esbenh | nope |
| 09:42.29 | esbenh | we have: TDC, Telenor, Telia and 3 |
| 09:42.45 | esbenh | so mainly nordic based operators :-( |
| 09:42.50 | ka6sox | ah |
| 09:43.08 | ka6sox | I'll have to ask Sconix what carrier he is on... |
| 09:43.13 | ka6sox | he has a pre2 |
| 09:43.19 | ka6sox | but he is north of you. |
| 09:43.42 | CIA-2 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * r98ceb8ba47 10openembedded.git/recipes/rfkill/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:43.42 | CIA-2 | rfkill: fix install and remove bogus DEPENDS, it's not using libnl nor pkgconfig(-native) |
| 09:43.42 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> |
| 09:49.11 | ka6sox | woglinde, I should be in bed but I have a term wrong in a VHDL project and I'm chasing the logic...clockcycle by clockcycle... |
| 09:50.03 | woglinde | ka6sox oha |
| 09:50.29 | ka6sox | the sim is missing it... |
| 09:50.46 | woglinde | porr sim |
| 09:51.34 | woglinde | ah right |
| 09:51.36 | woglinde | ups |
| 09:53.30 | ka6sox | its painful... |
| 09:53.58 | woglinde | thats why I stay away from vhdl |
| 09:54.06 | woglinde | or used mitrion-c |
| 09:54.20 | ka6sox | not a system-C fan. |
| 09:54.42 | woglinde | mitrion-c has nothing to do with c |
| 09:54.58 | ka6sox | I'm pretty sure is a 1 cycle glitch but I can't find the condition. |
| 09:55.04 | woglinde | its a functional programming language which abstract a lot of stuff |
| 09:55.16 | woglinde | and produces vhdl file in the end |
| 09:55.16 | ka6sox | ah |
| 09:55.48 | ka6sox | I like vhdl very much but sometimes the tools I think leave a lot to be desired. |
| 09:56.07 | woglinde | ughs |
| 09:56.16 | woglinde | they gone bankrot |
| 09:56.25 | ka6sox | pretty much |
| 09:56.42 | ka6sox | synthesis seems to be a black art. |
| 09:57.07 | woglinde | it was really fun to programm in it |
| 09:57.50 | ka6sox | the problem I'm having is a deadlock. so thats bad. |
| 09:59.02 | ka6sox | I'm trying to synthesize a DP RAM part I can no longer get. |
| 09:59.23 | woglinde | http://www.mitrionics.com/?page=FPGAs_in_HPC_5 |
| 10:02.11 | ka6sox | I give up for tonight...this rowlock deadlock is giving me fits. I guess I could just make it non-blocking and be done with it. |
| 10:02.54 | ka6sox | nn |
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| 10:06.20 | woglinde | gn ka6sox |
| 10:07.18 | ka6sox-away | thanks, I wanted it identical but I'm just going to make it "better" and hope its not too fast for the app. |
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| 10:26.51 | mckoan | good morning |
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| 10:27.27 | woglinde | http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/file/4719842/ |
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| 10:47.19 | esbenh | Looks like Elop is right though, the man has jumped off of the burning platfform, but what he didn't mention is that the sea is cold and deep.. and the man can't swim, so now the man will sink.. *G* |
| 10:49.34 | Jay7 | nice effect of using lxc is ability to freeze building process at any time |
| 10:50.55 | Jay7 | NOTE: package lzma-native-4.65-r5.1: task SRC_DISTRIBUTECOMMAND: Failed |
| 10:50.56 | Jay7 | ERROR: Function 'SRC_DISTRIBUTECOMMAND' failed (see /dev/null for further information) |
| 10:50.58 | Jay7 | hehe.. |
| 10:51.08 | Jay7 | may be other nice effect of unfreezing.. |
| 10:51.43 | Jay7 | but I've seen this already when was doing build with 12 bb threads |
| 11:05.19 | ant_work | Jay7: that's my old friend ;) |
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| 11:06.20 | ant_work | http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2010-October/026076.html |
| 11:06.49 | ant_work | but the /dev/null is recent stuff iirc |
| 11:07.00 | ant_work | I saw it first 2 weeks ago |
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| 12:32.28 | otavio | Hello ... |
| 12:32.49 | otavio | we've built a sdk and we're having issues using pkg-config on it |
| 12:33.18 | otavio | the .pc file seems fine but prefix and exec_prefix do not have the "sdk path" defined |
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| 12:37.54 | woglinde | hi obi |
| 12:38.39 | obi | hi! |
| 12:43.42 | eFfeM_work | otavio: libtool 2.4? |
| 12:44.11 | otavio | eFfeM_work: it seems PKG_CONFIG_SYSROOT_DIR is not working |
| 12:44.14 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * r7ae30cf534 10openembedded.git/recipes/libdca/libdca_0.0.5-3.bb: |
| 12:44.14 | CIA-2 | libdca-0.0.5-3: initial recipe (Debian) |
| 12:44.14 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 12:44.25 | eFfeM_work | otavio: strange, did not see that yet |
| 12:44.26 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * r53b3d8cd38 10openembedded.git/recipes/libmms/libmms_0.6.bb: |
| 12:44.26 | CIA-2 | libmms-0.6: initial recipe |
| 12:44.26 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 12:44.45 | otavio | ...ded-linux/openembedded/recipes/libinih% echo $PKG_CONFIG_SYSROOT_DIR |
| 12:44.45 | otavio | /opt/sdk/osnetboot-terminal/i586/i586-oe-linux |
| 12:45.02 | otavio | BUT |
| 12:45.16 | otavio | ...ded-linux/openembedded/recipes/libinih% pkg-config inihcpp --variable=prefix |
| 12:45.57 | otavio | empty |
| 12:46.36 | otavio | pkg-config 0.23 |
| 12:48.51 | eFfeM_work | hm, strange, i don't think I have build an sdk recently so can't say too much about it |
| 12:49.43 | otavio | eFfeM_work: it seems it is ignoring the sysroot env |
| 12:50.15 | eFfeM_work | in libtool 2.4 there is an = or ~ or so that should be before the path in the .pc file if I recall correctly |
| 12:53.37 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * rd9c70aed82 10openembedded.git/recipes/upstart/upstart.inc: |
| 12:53.37 | CIA-2 | upstart: create directory before installing files into it |
| 12:53.37 | CIA-2 | * do_install installs files into ${sysconfdir}/event.d, so the |
| 12:53.37 | CIA-2 | directory must be created first. |
| 12:53.37 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 12:53.48 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * rc08301653c 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux.inc: |
| 12:53.48 | CIA-2 | linux: don't patch unifdef.c if it doesn't exist |
| 12:53.48 | CIA-2 | * Fixes build with Linux 2.6.18. |
| 12:53.48 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 12:54.11 | woglinde | obi wohaha 2.6.18 |
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| 12:54.30 | obi | yes, unfortunately |
| 12:54.41 | obi | but i'm working on 2.6.38-rc ;) |
| 12:54.53 | woglinde | hehe |
| 12:55.02 | woglinde | what device? |
| 12:56.12 | obi | all broadcom based dreamboxes. dm500hd, dm800, dm800se and dm8000 |
| 12:56.49 | CIA-2 | 03Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd2a74c0c9b 10openembedded.git/recipes/xbmc/libmms_0.5.bb: libmms 0.5: move to libmms dir |
| 12:59.16 | obi | oh, i didn't notice that existing recipe |
| 12:59.24 | woglinde | are they still sold? |
| 13:00.00 | obi | of course :) |
| 13:00.52 | obi | those are the most recent models |
| 13:01.30 | eFfeM_work | cbrake: will there be a testing-next this week or are we suspending that in favour of testing-release-2011-03 |
| 13:01.56 | eFfeM_work | (in the latter case I need to stop the autobuild of testing-next) |
| 13:02.07 | cbrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.10 | woglinde | hm with 2.6.38 they are really cool |
| 13:02.12 | cbrake | eFfeM_work: I'll send a note to the list |
| 13:02.13 | eFfeM_work | ok |
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| 13:05.50 | otavio | any reason why we didn't update to newer pkgconfig? |
| 13:05.58 | otavio | 0.25 was released on march |
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| 13:09.35 | woglinde | dont ask me |
| 13:09.39 | woglinde | ask on the ml |
| 13:10.48 | eFfeM_work | otavio: probably because no one cared to update (but maybe e.g. khem would know) |
| 13:11.09 | eFfeM_work | otavio: you can ofc add 0.25 locally, test and submit a patch :-) |
| 13:12.20 | otavio | khem: ^ |
| 13:12.34 | eFfeM_work | otavio: for what it is worth: poky is on 0.25 |
| 13:12.36 | otavio | khem: did you ever see the problem with PKG_CONFIG_SYSROOT_DIR? |
| 13:26.57 | CIA-2 | 03Steffen Sledz <sledz@dresearch.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * rb295a16b5c 10openembedded.git/contrib/testing/testscript.sh: |
| 13:26.58 | CIA-2 | testscript.sh: be able to use branches other than testing-next |
| 13:26.58 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Steffen Sledz <sledz@dresearch.de> |
| 13:26.58 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Paul Menzel <paulepanter@users.sourceforge.net> |
| 13:26.58 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Frans Meulenbroeks <fransmeulenbroeks@gmail.com> |
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| 13:33.50 | Crofton|work | anyone remember Stefan Schmidts nick? |
| 13:34.23 | woglinde | stefan_schmidt? |
| 13:34.30 | woglinde | you are welcome crfoton |
| 13:35.00 | Crofton|work | woglinde, thanks |
| 13:35.05 | Crofton|work | I thought that was the case |
| 13:35.23 | obi | khem: patchwork seems to ignore some patches with utf8 encoding. probably an unfortunate situation for Eric BĂ©nard ;). there was a similar problem with the previous installation and i think there was a patch available to fix this |
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| 13:38.36 | obi | khem: maybe this could help: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/78682/ |
| 13:39.24 | woglinde | obi are you working on upstart? |
| 13:39.29 | woglinde | newer version? |
| 13:39.50 | obi | yes |
| 13:39.53 | obi | 0.6.7 |
| 13:40.04 | woglinde | cool |
| 13:40.05 | woglinde | okay |
| 13:40.12 | woglinde | one task I can delete from my list |
| 13:40.26 | obi | :) |
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| 13:43.13 | woglinde | gm kergoth |
| 13:43.55 | kergoth | hey |
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| 14:06.18 | ant_work | woglinde: lol |
| 14:06.53 | obi | khem: also, otavio's replies to patches 521 and 527 didn't show up in patchwork, maybe because the mailinglist was CC'd only |
| 14:08.05 | woglinde | cc' ml is bad |
| 14:08.19 | woglinde | hm gtk3.0 released |
| 14:08.22 | obi | woglinde: why? :) |
| 14:08.50 | woglinde | mail is from ml |
| 14:08.55 | woglinde | so reply to ti |
| 14:09.03 | woglinde | and cc whom ever you want |
| 14:09.39 | obi | no, i sent the patch to the ml with cc to otavio |
| 14:09.54 | woglinde | so he got it doubled |
| 14:10.01 | woglinde | and answered the wrong one |
| 14:10.04 | woglinde | runs |
| 14:10.36 | obi | i guess that mailman doesn't send mails to recipients already on cc |
| 14:10.52 | obi | however... |
| 14:11.15 | obi | if the mailman archive gets the reply, then patchwork should get it too ;) |
| 14:11.39 | obi | everything else doesn't feel right |
| 14:12.35 | woglinde | yes |
| 14:12.44 | woglinde | looks like a bug in patchwork |
| 14:12.54 | woglinde | and should be easy to fixing |
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| 15:30.23 | RP__ | obi: Not conflicting exacty, it needs to support "no" though |
| 15:30.39 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde: hi |
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| 15:31.21 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde, JaMa|Off_: You discussed about gnu/stubs-32.h in an icedtea build yesterday? |
| 15:32.21 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde, JaMa|Off_: I now have a report and log file here that shows a compile error with this header file missing on a amd64 ubuntu 10.10 system |
| 15:32.29 | stefan_schmidt | smells a bit |
| 15:32.45 | stefan_schmidt | Especially as I do all my builds on 64bit and never run into it |
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| 15:41.11 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * rb9e21ac5e6 10openembedded.git/recipes/wpa-supplicant/wpa-supplicant-0.7.3/ (5 files): |
| 15:41.11 | CIA-2 | wpa-supplicant-0.7.3: remove unused files |
| 15:41.11 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 15:41.11 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Stefan Schmidt <stefan@datenfreihafen.org> |
| 15:41.19 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * r5bf221337b 10openembedded.git/recipes/wpa-supplicant/wpa-supplicant-0.7.inc: |
| 15:41.19 | CIA-2 | wpa-supplicant-0.7.3: enable madwifi support |
| 15:41.19 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 15:41.19 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Stefan Schmidt <stefan@datenfreihafen.org> |
| 15:41.21 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * refb86c94ef 10openembedded.git/recipes/wpa-supplicant/wpa-supplicant-0.7.inc: |
| 15:41.21 | CIA-2 | wpa-supplicant-0.7.3: depend on openssl |
| 15:41.22 | CIA-2 | * let defconfig decide which crypto library to use |
| 15:41.22 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 15:41.22 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Stefan Schmidt <stefan@datenfreihafen.org> |
| 15:41.24 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * r33d60583aa 10openembedded.git/recipes/wpa-supplicant/ (wpa-supplicant-0.7.3/defconfig-gnutls wpa-supplicant-0.7.inc): |
| 15:41.24 | CIA-2 | wpa-supplicant-0.7.3: rename defconfig-gnutls to defconfig |
| 15:41.24 | CIA-2 | * Use a more useful name for overrides in case gnutls is not to be used. |
| 15:41.24 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 15:41.28 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Stefan Schmidt <stefan@datenfreihafen.org> |
| 15:41.34 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * r00b6dea99b 10openembedded.git/recipes/wpa-supplicant/wpa-supplicant-0.7.inc: |
| 15:41.34 | CIA-2 | wpa-supplicant-0.7.3: install only required files for dbus support |
| 15:41.34 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 15:41.34 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Stefan Schmidt <stefan@datenfreihafen.org> |
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| 15:44.36 | CIA-2 | 03Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> 07master * r2fcf3125c7 10openembedded.git/recipes/busybox/ (busybox.inc busybox_1.1x.inc files/inetd files/inetd.conf): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:44.36 | CIA-2 | busybox: create busybox-inetd package |
| 15:44.36 | CIA-2 | * Empty package unless CONFIG_INETD=y. |
| 15:44.36 | CIA-2 | * Use update-alternatives with priority 50. |
| 15:44.36 | CIA-2 | * Install initscript and inetd.conf. |
| 15:44.37 | CIA-2 | * RPROVIDE inetd |
| 15:44.37 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Andreas Oberritter <obi@opendreambox.org> |
| 15:45.26 | Tartarus | busy busy morning :) |
| 15:45.39 | CIA-2 | 03Tom Rini <tom_rini@mentor.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r3c52ace035 10openembedded.git/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:45.39 | CIA-2 | postgresql: Update from 8.4.4 to 8.4.7, drop 8.1.x, 8.2.4 |
| 15:45.39 | CIA-2 | We update SHR to pinning 8.4.7 (safe upgrade) and drop |
| 15:45.39 | CIA-2 | 8.1.x (EOL) and 8.2.x (un-pinned and EOL this year). We also |
| 15:45.39 | CIA-2 | un-pin SHR (at Martin's suggestion). |
| 15:45.40 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Tom Rini <tom_rini@mentor.com> |
| 15:45.41 | CIA-2 | Acked-by: Khem Raj <raj.khem@gmail.com> |
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| 16:20.33 | mario-goulart | Hi. I'm using OE on a i686 host and building for a i585 target. Is a path like tmp/sysroots/i686-linux/usr/i586/i586-oe-linux/ expected? Or did I screw my tmpdir up? |
| 16:26.32 | Tartarus | No, that's expected |
| 16:26.59 | Tartarus | It means $TMPDIR/sysroots/$HOST_SYS/usr/$TARGET_ARCH/$TARGET_SYS |
| 16:27.10 | Tartarus | i586-oe-linux is what your i586 target is called |
| 16:27.37 | Tartarus | And we put things like the cross toolchain there so that actual target packages (busybox) can be shared between say 32bit and 64bit hosts |
| 16:27.48 | Tartarus | But you would still get a rebuild of the cross tools |
| 16:29.31 | mario-goulart | I see. Thanks for the info, Tartarus. I'm trying to build chicken eggs (http://call-cc.org) on OE. It seems to be a bit tricky. |
| 16:29.44 | kergoth_ | hmm. |
| 16:30.25 | kergoth_ | thinking about it, i don't think i like the new persist_data api fully.. its an improvement, certainly, but i think we can drop one layer of indirection cleanly |
| 16:30.29 | kergoth_ | hmmmm |
| 16:32.44 | mario-goulart | One of the tricky parts is that chicken is a Scheme->C compiler, and it has a compiler driver which compiles Scheme->native code, transparently, using a C compiler behind the scenes. |
| 16:33.26 | Tartarus | Oh my, heh |
| 16:33.36 | Tartarus | is the Scheme->C compiler a binary or a perl script/etc? |
| 16:34.05 | mario-goulart | It is a binary, compiled from Scheme using chicken itself. |
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| 16:37.38 | kergoth | good luck |
| 16:37.45 | mario-goulart | So, I need to use the Scheme compiler from the cross tools area (I've successfully build chicken and chicken-cross) and make it link agains the libs from the target area. Chicken provides a tool (chicken-install) which is more or less like bitbake (oe emerge): it fetches sources, builds and installs exptensions (which are dynamically linked libraries). Feeding chicken-install the right paths is my current problem (I GUESS). |
| 16:38.09 | pb_ | heh, I remember chicken well from my days as a debian-arm porter. |
| 16:38.52 | mario-goulart | pb_: do you use chicken? Or were you just packaging it? |
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| 16:41.09 | woglinde | hiho pb |
| 16:43.01 | pb_ | hi woglinde |
| 16:43.16 | woglinde | pb whats with your house? |
| 16:43.22 | pb_ | mario-goulart: just packaging it, there were a bunch of things in debian that needed it |
| 16:43.28 | woglinde | crofton asked it too between |
| 16:43.41 | pb_ | woglinde: screeding the floors on monday, electricians nearly finished. |
| 16:44.08 | woglinde | ah |
| 16:44.13 | woglinde | so you see an end |
| 16:44.13 | mario-goulart | pb_: Cool. Do you remember what version was it when you were packaging chicken? |
| 16:44.30 | woglinde | pb will you install some solarpanels? |
| 16:45.26 | pb_ | woglinde: yes, at some point. the heating system is set up for them but we don't actually have the panels yet. |
| 16:45.58 | woglinde | ah so only for heating not for electricity |
| 16:46.18 | pb_ | possibly electricity as well, that's easy to fit later. |
| 16:46.33 | pb_ | but, right now the solar PV ones are still quite expensive for what they do. |
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| 16:46.46 | woglinde | yes |
| 16:46.58 | woglinde | you need 15 years to get break event |
| 16:47.06 | pb_ | heating-wise, we have a 1000 litre accumulator tank in the utility room which is ready to receive input from the panels. :-} |
| 16:47.26 | Crofton|work | pb_, have wookey come over and make you a debian controller :) |
| 16:47.27 | pb_ | mario-goulart: sorry, I don't recall. this must have been nearly 10 years ago now. |
| 16:47.33 | CIA-2 | 03Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07master * rd917bd637e 10openembedded.git/recipes/xorg-app/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:47.33 | CIA-2 | xkbcomp: upgrade from 1.2.0 to 1.2.1 |
| 16:47.33 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
| 16:48.12 | mario-goulart | pb_: so probably very early chicken versions. Very interesting. :-) |
| 16:48.45 | mario-goulart | 1.x, I'd guess. |
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| 17:10.41 | CIA-2 | 03Chris Larson <chris_larson@mentor.com> 07master * r34c7ff67d7 10bitbake.git/lib/bb/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:10.41 | CIA-2 | persist_data: drop SQLData indirection |
| 17:10.41 | CIA-2 | The common case (if not the only case) is to only use a single domain. The |
| 17:10.41 | CIA-2 | only reason SQLData exists is to make it easier to delete a domain. Yet, |
| 17:10.41 | CIA-2 | there's no need for us to delete a domain if SQLTable knows how to clear |
| 17:10.42 | CIA-2 | itself out. So, add clear() to the table and pass the domain to persist(). |
| 17:10.42 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Chris Larson <chris_larson@mentor.com> |
| 17:10.44 | CIA-2 | 03Chris Larson <chris_larson@mentor.com> 07master * rc197043717 10bitbake.git/lib/bb/persist_data.py: |
| 17:10.44 | CIA-2 | persist_data: use better items/values methods for SQLTable |
| 17:10.44 | CIA-2 | Signed-off-by: Chris Larson <chris_larson@mentor.com> |
| 17:14.33 | filip | what's the policy regarding wifi card firmwares? |
| 17:14.48 | filip | can we provide a downloader script in postinstall? |
| 17:17.02 | filip | nah, chicken and egg problem |
| 17:23.38 | kergoth_ | downloader script seems perfectly reasonable to me |
| 17:24.18 | mr_nice | well not without wifi |
| 17:24.55 | kergoth_ | hmm, yes, guess it could be conditional on also having ethernet at the time of install, but ick, that is ugly indeed :\ |
| 17:25.35 | khem` | obi_: I have patched the patchwork should work better with utf hereon |
| 17:25.41 | mwester | seems to recall that the zd wifi firmware is downloaded and packaged in OE, and made a dependency of the zd kernel module (at least for the IXP4XX kernels) |
| 17:25.44 | khem` | thanks for reporting |
| 17:25.55 | kergoth_ | hmmmmm |
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