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| 00:03.18 | Laibsch | pb_: I thought mickey was coming, too? |
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| 00:13.06 | woglinde_ | laibsch he probably dont know about this page yet |
| 00:13.18 | JaMa | Laibsch: hi, can you please try to build efltk with TARGET_CC_ARCH += "-DXFT_MAJOR=2" ? |
| 00:13.19 | Laibsch | of course not |
| 00:13.30 | Laibsch | I thought pb_ entered those known to attend |
| 00:13.49 | JaMa | Laibsch: I can compile it without now.. but first I tried with that.. bacause I got similar error as you have |
| 00:14.34 | JaMa | Laibsch: but I have no idea how this "fix" would live throught -c clean -c build |
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| 00:36.46 | Laibsch | JaMa: it still fails: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/task/4454421.txt I assume the place where I added that TARGET_CC_ARCH statement in the bb file is not really relevant? |
| 00:36.59 | Laibsch | I'm also not sure if the error is any different from the previous one |
| 00:37.04 | Laibsch | but tinderbox would know |
| 00:37.52 | Laibsch | I think I am seeing a lot of errors with minimal that hit me earlier than other people because minimal has few versions of recipes pinned down |
| 00:38.02 | Laibsch | it floats more |
| 00:38.43 | CIA-55 | 03Rolf Leggewie <oe-devel@rolf.leggewie.biz> 07org.openembedded.dev * ra65c4747e1 10openembedded.git/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:38.43 | CIA-55 | dnsmasq: fix SRC_URI and some other minor fixes |
| 00:38.43 | CIA-55 | * at least releases prior to 2.15 are only available in the archive directory |
| 00:38.43 | CIA-55 | * adjust checksums.ini accordingly |
| 00:38.44 | CIA-55 | * move S out of inc file and only into the affected dnsmasq-dbus recipe |
| 00:38.45 | JaMa | Laibsch: hmm maybe missing depend on freetype package |
| 00:38.45 | CIA-55 | * do some clever python courtey of Phil Blundell to generally define SRC_URI |
| 00:38.49 | CIA-55 | for all recipes in the inc file only |
| 00:39.53 | Laibsch | JaMa: do you remember if the error is any different than previously? |
| 00:39.56 | JaMa | Laibsch: do you have freetype-native build? |
| 00:40.37 | Laibsch | ../tmp/minimal/org.openembedded.dev/stamps/x86_64-linux/freetype-native-2.3.6-r0.do_rm_work exists |
| 00:40.40 | Laibsch | so probably, yes |
| 00:41.09 | JaMa | Laibsch: no.. it looks the same as before on tinderbox.. so you can remove that TARGET_CC_ARCH again |
| 00:41.35 | JaMa | Laibsch: mmt I'll try for armv5te too |
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| 00:50.22 | JaMa | should be autopoint called automatically with inherit autotools? |
| 00:53.36 | woglinde_ | isnt it? |
| 00:53.44 | woglinde_ | I think autoreconf will call it |
| 00:54.39 | JaMa | seem's not.. or not working :/ with autopoint in do_configure_prepend it works ok |
| 00:55.16 | JaMa | autoreconf -Wcross --verbose --install --force --exclude=autopoint |
| 00:55.24 | woglinde_ | hm what was autopoint doing again |
| 00:55.28 | JaMa | seems excluded from some reason |
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| 00:56.11 | woglinde_ | hm ah gettext stuff |
| 00:56.15 | JaMa | cannot say exactly.. but it creates po/Makefile.in.in for gettext stuff |
| 00:56.35 | JaMa | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/40405 and this change sort of expect this |
| 00:57.08 | woglinde_ | jupp |
| 00:57.58 | JaMa | do you think it's ok to add it in prepend? |
| 00:58.08 | JaMa | it fixes build for ewl for sure.. |
| 00:58.59 | woglinde_ | hm lwt me think |
| 00:59.13 | woglinde_ | there were two ways to make this run |
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| 01:01.34 | JaMa | goes to bed, gnight |
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| 09:18.46 | CIA-55 | 03Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r82b3ed5a69 10openembedded.git/recipes/efl1/ewl_svn.bb: |
| 09:18.46 | CIA-55 | ewl: add autopoint call to do_configure_prepend |
| 09:18.47 | CIA-55 | * autoreconf call from inherit autotools has autopoint excluded |
| 09:18.47 | CIA-55 | * ewl doesn't build without it, let me know if there is better way to |
| 09:18.47 | CIA-55 | enable autopoint in autoreconf |
| 09:18.48 | CIA-55 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
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| 09:23.30 | manz | laibsch: i want put poky on to imx27ads, which DISTRO do i need to choose |
| 09:24.09 | manz | can anybody pls tell me about it |
| 09:27.25 | mckoan|away | manz: you can try to use Angstrom or maybe KaeilOS |
| 09:31.29 | khem | manz: minimal is also in good shape you can try any one of those infact |
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| 10:07.42 | manz | can i have LTIB along with OE on same machine |
| 10:08.34 | manz | does they mess up with their required package versions. |
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| 10:37.24 | jovox | I read the comments in minimal-image.bb. It says "gives you a small image with ssh access". What I wonder is - does that image even have network support? |
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| 10:49.21 | jovox | or rather, what's the difference between minimal-image and console-image when it comes to support for network adapters. Reason I'm asking is cause minimal-image doesn't seem to find any nics |
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| 11:03.39 | pb__ | NIC support basically comes down to a question of what modules are compiled into your kernel, or included in the filesystem. That is generally a MACHINE and/or DISTRO choice, not something that's specified by the image. |
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| 11:12.33 | jovox | pb_, ok so I'm probably just don't have the needed modules in my minimal rootfs while I have them in the console-image rootfs.. |
| 11:13.02 | eFfeM_home | jovox the modules could also be compiled into the kernel |
| 11:14.48 | pb__ | jovox: yeah, that's possible, though it would be slightly surprising if console-image included a specific set of modules. |
| 11:18.08 | eFfeM_home | :as the system has no idea on what exact nic you are using and so has no idea what module you need |
| 11:18.37 | eFfeM_home | if it is there I would expect it to be hardwired into the kernel (assuming a hardwired nic and not a usb one) |
| 11:24.28 | jovox | I'm surprised the nics doesn't appear in minimal... The nics are hardwired. The error I get when doing an "ifconfig ip netmask mask" is SIOCSIFADDR: no such device" |
| 11:27.50 | eFfeM_home | jovox is the nic up? ( ifup eth0 ), is the detection listed in dmesg ? |
| 11:29.24 | jovox | ifup also says no such device and I can't see it in dmesg, no.. (dmesg | grep eth) |
| 11:30.21 | eFfeM_home | jovox: i suggest to check your kernel defconfig to see if ethernet is compiled in, it seems it isn't |
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| 11:38.59 | jovox | eFfeM_home, I just deployed the console-image using the same kernel. The network works perfect in there.. Hmmm |
| 11:40.12 | zecke | jovox: is the driver in the kernel or a module? |
| 11:40.58 | jovox | as It's the same kernel and only loading the nics in the console-image I assume it's in a module |
| 11:41.21 | eFfeM_home | jovox: when you boot the console image issue an lsmod |
| 11:42.04 | jovox | there are a few |
| 11:42.25 | jovox | not sure which one loads the nics |
| 11:44.26 | eFfeM_home | pastebin them somewhere |
| 11:44.44 | eFfeM_home | or rmmod them one by one and see if your network stops working |
| 11:45.33 | jovox | http://pastebin.com/m1206415e |
| 11:48.08 | eFfeM_home | hm, don't see any network specifics, but there is a thing or two I don't know |
| 11:48.15 | eFfeM_home | what machine do you have ? |
| 11:49.48 | jovox | Axiomtek. intel atom |
| 11:50.22 | pb__ | r8169 is a nic |
| 11:50.38 | jovox | pb_, ah ok |
| 11:50.57 | pb__ | check lspci, see what chipset it says your nic is |
| 11:51.48 | pb__ | none of the other modules in that pastebin look like nic drivers. the ircomm ones are IrDA (!), ev* is input, rng_core is a random number generator, pcspkr is an audio driver |
| 11:53.10 | jovox | lspci wasn't too useful to me: http://pastebin.com/m2edd9ef0 |
| 11:54.20 | eFfeM_home | for me lspci also gives a listing of the names; btw lspci -v will give more info |
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| 11:54.41 | eFfeM_home | and lspci -vv might give even more |
| 11:56.39 | jovox | http://pastebin.com/m37dfabb8 |
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| 12:01.29 | eFfeM_home | your nic is indeed an 8169 modules |
| 12:01.52 | eFfeM_home | copy the module over to your minimal image and load it or build it into the kernel |
| 12:02.01 | eFfeM_home | lunchtime ... |
| 12:02.34 | jovox | eFfeM_home, ok, thanks you for your help |
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| 12:08.06 | jovox | what is the best approach when customizing an image. I've been working with OE for a while now, and so far I just created an overlay directory, copied the console-image.bb into it and started adding the apps I want to be installed to IMAGE_INSTALL. Is this the way to go? |
| 12:08.54 | rkirti | jovox: check out hrw|gone's article on this. |
| 12:09.28 | rkirti | <hunting for the link> |
| 12:12.08 | rkirti | jovox: http://bec-systems.com/web/content/view/79/9/ |
| 12:12.14 | rkirti | maybe that might help |
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| 12:16.55 | jovox | rkirti, Thanks, that pretty much describes what I was doing |
| 12:21.07 | rkirti | jovox: yeah. I am not the authority on this subject. But personally I prefer having a separate image file than adding on a to standard OE image bb |
| 12:21.55 | rkirti | vaguely recalls something about using RDEPENDS and hrw|gone's article. Cant get it atm though |
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| 12:55.25 | alex76 | hi all |
| 12:55.33 | alex76 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.42 | CIA-55 | 03Rolf Leggewie <oe-devel@rolf.leggewie.biz> 07org.openembedded.dev * rcf19ee7045 10openembedded.git/ (4 files in 3 dirs): scim: initial commit for version 1.4.9 |
| 13:23.43 | CIA-55 | 03Rolf Leggewie <oe-devel@rolf.leggewie.biz> 07org.openembedded.dev * rc28e4e27e5 10openembedded.git/ (9 files in 2 dirs): firefox: looks like the Mozilla project moved from serving source over http to ftp. Fix SRC_URI and checksums.ini |
| 13:23.44 | CIA-55 | 03Rolf Leggewie <oe-devel@rolf.leggewie.biz> 07org.openembedded.dev * r9c27d6065a 10openembedded.git/recipes/mozilla/firefox.inc: firefox: configuration depends on alsa-lib. Closes: #5378 |
| 13:26.26 | jovox | wouldn't mind if anyone fixed the openembedded/recipes/zip/zip_2.32.bb recipe. The source url http://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/zip232.tar.gz is still wrong |
| 13:33.20 | bluelightning | khem: hey, can we talk re the opie-taskbar issue when you have a minute? thx |
| 13:33.59 | Laibsch | jovox: which shouldn't be a problem since the file is available from the OE mirror |
| 13:34.43 | Laibsch | jovox: and if anything it's the inc file that needs fixing |
| 13:35.16 | jovox | right |
| 13:35.29 | Laibsch | jovox: where is the correct URL? |
| 13:35.36 | jovox | lemme check |
| 13:35.55 | jovox | I fixed this in an earlier version iirc |
| 13:37.19 | jovox | ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/ ftp:// instead of http:// but it looks like there is no tar.gz there |
| 13:38.36 | Laibsch | looks like it's now available in sf.net |
| 13:38.49 | Laibsch | those guys have some weird ideas about proper paths |
| 13:39.34 | jovox | ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/zip232.tgz |
| 13:39.36 | jovox | thats it |
| 13:40.49 | Laibsch | IOW, s/http/ftp/ |
| 13:42.04 | CIA-55 | 03Rolf Leggewie <oe-devel@rolf.leggewie.biz> 07org.openembedded.dev * r6b50319859 10openembedded.git/ (conf/checksums.ini recipes/zip/zip.inc): zip: hosting moved from http to ftp |
| 13:42.05 | Laibsch | jovox: there you go |
| 13:46.23 | jovox | Laibsch, thanks! |
| 13:46.41 | Laibsch | no problem |
| 13:46.47 | Laibsch | was this a real issue for you? |
| 13:50.55 | jovox | no, as you said it picked it from the mirror but it took some time for it to give up |
| 13:54.25 | Laibsch | RP: Can I talk to you if you have a minute? |
| 14:16.53 | CIA-55 | 03Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r2ffa71b47b 10openembedded.git/recipes/omgps/ (omgps/gcc-4.4.patch omgps_svn.bb): |
| 14:16.53 | CIA-55 | omgps: add patch for gcc-4.4 build |
| 14:16.53 | CIA-55 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
| 14:19.07 | Laibsch | @all: http://paste.debian.net/56920/ results in http://tinderbox.openembedded.org/public/logs/task/4454581.txt (anthy/anthy.h is not found, it's available in a couple of places at ../tmp/minimal/org.openembedded.dev/staging/*/usr/include/anthy/anthy.h) |
| 14:19.39 | Laibsch | -I/usr/include is called so I'm not sure why the file is not found. Help appreciated |
| 14:27.27 | ynezz | -I/usr/include is wrong, isn't it? |
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| 14:28.57 | CIA-55 | 03Frans Meulenbroeks <fransmeulenbroeks@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r3429df8653 10openembedded.git/: Merge branch 'org.openembedded.dev' of git.openembedded.org:openembedded into org.openembedded.dev |
| 14:29.08 | CIA-55 | 03Frans Meulenbroeks <fransmeulenbroeks@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * ref74b2a646 10openembedded.git/contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: |
| 14:29.08 | CIA-55 | contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: added nfs-utils |
| 14:29.08 | CIA-55 | The unstable feed for angstrom had 1.1.2-r4.3 on the feed (dated 18 jun 2009) |
| 14:29.08 | CIA-55 | This one has a broken mountd, causing mounting an nfs filesystem to fail. |
| 14:29.08 | CIA-55 | The nfs-utils in head is r7 and builds and works fien for me. However as |
| 14:29.10 | CIA-55 | nfs-utils had been removed from build-feeds.sh it was not updated; therefre added it. |
| 14:31.12 | ynezz | Laibsch: -I/usr/include is wrong, isn't it? It should trigger "cross compile badness", but it depends on which distro do you build |
| 14:32.45 | Laibsch | I was told that -I/usr/include is in fact OK |
| 14:32.45 | ynezz | Laibsch: -I/usr/include should point to your staging dir, something like -Isomepath/org.openembedded.dev/staging/*/usr/include/ |
| 14:32.55 | Laibsch | that is what I thought |
| 14:33.02 | Laibsch | but apparently, it's relative |
| 14:33.10 | ynezz | hm |
| 14:34.13 | jovox | damnit, anyone know how to get rid of the strange characters that appears in the terminal when using screen? (this has nothing todo with OE). I know I fixed this once but forgot what I did |
| 14:34.16 | Laibsch | pb_: Or am I wrong about the include directory? |
| 14:35.01 | ynezz | you mean absolute path, right |
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| 14:41.57 | Laibsch | ynezz: no, -I/usr/include look absolute, but apparently it's relative to the staging area. relative would be OK, absolute would then explain the error |
| 14:47.37 | ynezz | from the tinderbox build log looks like it's absolute |
| 14:47.42 | pb__ | Laibsch: afaik, the -I paths are absolute, not relative |
| 14:47.54 | Laibsch | I see |
| 14:47.59 | Laibsch | Must have misunderstood you, then |
| 14:48.12 | Laibsch | How do I fix that, then? |
| 14:48.26 | Laibsch | Having a look at Makefile and friends, hm? |
| 14:48.29 | pb__ | Right. |
| 14:48.59 | pb__ | I'm a bit surprised that you didn't encounter the zecke check and its CROSS_COMPILE BADNESS errors with that -I setting. |
| 14:49.17 | ynezz | because this check depends on used distro I think |
| 14:49.25 | pb__ | But, yeah, you'd need to look at the makefile to see where -I/usr/include is coming from. |
| 14:50.20 | pb__ | ynezz: which DISTROs don't have it? |
| 14:50.34 | pb__ | it's in bitbake.conf, and a quick inspection with grep doesn't show any obvious places that it's turned off. |
| 14:50.57 | ynezz | it's in insane class and it inherits only angstrom and kaelios |
| 14:51.12 | ynezz | s/it/it's inherited/ |
| 14:51.41 | pb__ | no, it's not in insane.bbclass |
| 14:51.41 | Laibsch | I fiddled with insane.bbclass locally ;-) |
| 14:51.55 | pb__ | the badness check there is different. |
| 14:52.54 | ynezz | can you see any other class including this message? |
| 14:53.23 | ynezz | grep -iR badness openembedde.git shows only insane class |
| 14:53.37 | ynezz | nothing else |
| 14:57.00 | ynezz | http://zecke.blogspot.com/2006/10/quality-in-openembedded.html |
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| 14:58.15 | timtimred | ping Laibsch |
| 14:58.18 | timtimred | try now :) |
| 15:01.09 | Laibsch | timtimred: thanks |
| 15:01.14 | Laibsch | I'll assume it's fixed |
| 15:01.22 | Laibsch | I have other things on my hand right now |
| 15:01.37 | timtimred | no worries should work, drop me a mail if not... |
| 15:02.12 | Laibsch | ok |
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| 15:06.16 | CIA-55 | 03Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r8cb3620fee 10openembedded.git/recipes/python/ (python-pyid3lib/gcc4-fix.patch python-pyid3lib_0.5.1.bb): python-pyid3lib: fix compiling for gcc4.x |
| 15:07.28 | Laibsch | Everybody busy fixing gcc4 build errors ;-) |
| 15:07.49 | JaMa | :) |
| 15:09.16 | JaMa | is someone working on recipe for libtool-2.2.6b? IIRC seen discussion about libtool somewhere.. |
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| 15:30.31 | manz | laibsch |
| 15:32.39 | manz | WARNING: No matches in filesystem for /stuff/bitbake/bin in COLLECTIONS |
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| 16:22.10 | pb__ | ynezz: it's not in a class, it is part of gcc. |
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| 17:21.40 | ynezz | pb__: ah :) |
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| 17:26.00 | ynezz | pb__: anyway, I can't find it in gcc sources |
| 17:28.59 | Crofton | I want to delete the gnome-games recipe :) |
| 17:30.47 | JaMa | Crofton: you too? :) |
| 17:31.08 | JaMa | not only remove but delete completely :)) |
| 17:33.26 | Tartarus | Hmm |
| 17:33.36 | Tartarus | Anyone know if there's a good reason opkg-native doesn't depend on openssl-native? |
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| 17:41.27 | CIA-55 | 03Tom Rini <tom_rini@mentor.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r08008989b6 10openembedded.git/recipes/opkg/opkg-native_svn.bb: |
| 17:41.27 | CIA-55 | opkg-native: Add openssl-native to DEPENDS. |
| 17:41.27 | CIA-55 | Won't build without it, so no PR bump. |
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| 17:55.38 | woglinde | jo |
| 17:57.14 | Laibsch | I have an old recipe lying around here that I never got into shape to compile |
| 17:57.23 | Laibsch | It has DEPENDS for x11 |
| 17:57.30 | Laibsch | That probably used to work |
| 17:57.34 | Laibsch | but doesn't anymore |
| 17:57.40 | Laibsch | What is the likely replacement? |
| 17:58.57 | CIA-55 | 03Rolf Leggewie <oe-devel@rolf.leggewie.biz> 07org.openembedded.dev * r2d33153932 10openembedded.git/recipes/scim/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:58.57 | CIA-55 | scim: add a couple of patches from Ubuntu, Debian and Gentoo. |
| 17:58.57 | CIA-55 | * all relevant patches have been pushed to and committed upstream |
| 17:58.57 | CIA-55 | only relevant patch for the next release will be the generic, OE-only |
| 17:58.57 | CIA-55 | "configure.patch" |
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| 18:04.24 | Crofton | JaMa, right, OE os for serious business |
| 18:07.32 | Laibsch | Tartarus: do you own tartarus.org? |
| 18:08.09 | Laibsch | I'm not a gamer at all, but gaming has grown into a damn serious business |
| 18:09.29 | Tartarus | Laibsch, nope |
| 18:09.41 | Laibsch | I see |
| 18:09.50 | Laibsch | Looks like the guy changed upstream source |
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| 18:10.12 | Laibsch | http://snowball.tartarus.org/dist/libstemmer_c.tgz |
| 18:10.21 | Tartarus | heh |
| 18:10.36 | Laibsch | And I was wondering if I could bitch at you ;-) |
| 18:11.23 | Tartarus | heh |
| 18:18.35 | pb__ | ynezz: ls recipes/gcc/*/zecke* |
| 18:18.54 | pb__ | there are loads of them! |
| 18:19.28 | pb__ | Laibsch: libx11 |
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| 18:49.04 | CIA-55 | 03Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> 07org.openembedded.dev * r2080e02133 10openembedded.git/ (7 files in 4 dirs): |
| 18:49.04 | CIA-55 | linux-openmoko: bump SRCREV to latest revision, drop applied patches |
| 18:49.04 | CIA-55 | Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa <Martin.Jansa@gmail.com> |
| 18:51.21 | GNUtoo | too bad leviathan is not there |
| 18:51.27 | GNUtoo | oops wrong channel |
| 18:55.31 | eFfeM_home | hi, anyone care to have a short look at my opkg install libssl errors: http://www.pastebin.ca/1754953 |
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| 18:59.56 | Laibsch | the error message seems clear enough to me, no? |
| 19:00.08 | Laibsch | and anyways, this is an #angstrom issue, probably |
| 19:00.49 | eFfeM_home | ehm there is only one libcrypto |
| 19:01.25 | eFfeM_home | and this could well be an issue with the openssl recipe or with opkg and afaik recipes in general do not belong to distros, do they ? |
| 19:02.04 | Laibsch | first line of defense is still #angstrom |
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| 19:06.39 | Laibsch | anybody still remember what libqte-mt-static recipe was for? IOW, when should the -static one be preferred over the nonstatic package? |
| 19:07.03 | Laibsch | hrw|gone, pb_, kergoth: do you remember? ^^^ |
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| 19:10.26 | JaMa | RP: 0159f66e0d95c45537de4ab77924ba6521022370 should be cherry-picked from master to 1.10 (it tries to git clone all git repos because of SRCPV) and please apply that patch for repodir I sent to both master and 1.10 (I cannot compile it without this patch) |
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| 19:15.42 | hrw|gone | eFfeM_home: again packages contents got changed |
| 19:16.26 | pb__ | Laibsch: no idea, qt isn't really my area. zecke or mickey would probably know. |
| 19:17.26 | hrw|gone | Laibsch: forget that static exists at all |
| 19:17.43 | hrw|gone | Laibsch: and qte2 other then 2.3.10 should be dropped iirc |
| 19:18.32 | Laibsch | hrw|gone: I think that's what will happen, then |
| 19:18.34 | Laibsch | thanks |
| 19:18.41 | hrw|gone | Laibsch: mickeyl added it nearly 4 years ago so I is deprecated rather |
| 19:19.20 | hrw|gone | qte 2.3 should be forgotten ;D |
| 19:20.30 | Laibsch | seems like bluelightning just can't ;-) |
| 19:20.49 | Laibsch | And I have one or two apps where I want to verify a replacement before moving on |
| 19:20.56 | Laibsch | zten, for example |
| 19:21.04 | Laibsch | and Japanese input in general |
| 19:21.32 | woglinde_ | no |
| 19:21.35 | woglinde_ | opie |
| 19:21.40 | woglinde_ | needs qt 2.3 |
| 19:21.47 | hrw|gone | -> off anyway |
| 19:21.54 | woglinde_ | nite hrw |
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| 19:45.23 | Laibsch | woglinde: don't worry, I don't think qte 2.3 will die too soon |
| 19:45.43 | Laibsch | and hrw said that 2.3.10 should be kept |
| 19:46.12 | Laibsch | who is this Robert guy anyway? |
| 19:46.23 | Laibsch | He is seriously pissing me off |
| 19:46.45 | Laibsch | It's not manz by chance, or is it? |
| 19:47.02 | pb__ | robert p j day, you mean? |
| 19:47.11 | Laibsch | yes |
| 19:47.16 | pb__ | he is indeed a bit annoying, though I guess he means well |
| 19:47.24 | Laibsch | yes, he means well |
| 19:48.06 | Laibsch | But he tells me "thanks for pointing me to git log, will do that later" and then the next second sends out 5-10 mails requesting the same information I told him how to get for himself AGAIN! |
| 19:48.16 | Laibsch | And he's been told to use the tracker |
| 19:48.22 | Laibsch | He's been told to use tinderbox |
| 19:48.33 | Laibsch | He is starting to become a serious drain |
| 19:48.50 | Laibsch | at least on my patience ;-) |
| 19:49.06 | woglinde | nono |
| 19:49.12 | woglinde | opie dont die |
| 19:49.28 | woglinde | hm gnome-games is fixed anyway |
| 19:50.08 | Laibsch | not if you ask that Robert weirdo |
| 19:50.27 | Laibsch | woglinde: I'll drop qte-mt-static in a minute, though |
| 19:50.31 | Laibsch | Any objections? |
| 19:50.40 | Laibsch | only the static recipe |
| 19:50.52 | Laibsch | Because apparently it has no purpose anymore |
| 19:51.11 | Laibsch | and IIRC it can lead to problems if you bake both the static and the nonstatic version in the same tmpdir |
| 19:51.26 | woglinde | kill static is okay for me |
| 19:51.35 | woglinde | but ask bluelightning |
| 19:51.42 | woglinde | maybee he needs it for something |
| 19:52.56 | otavio | I'm trying to find why firefox start to fail to build but I'm missing. Can someone try to help me on that? |
| 19:55.35 | woglinde | otavio do you have the log again? |
| 19:56.41 | otavio | woglinde: I do ... but from dev log it looks like it is a know issue with 3.0.4 and newer gcc |
| 19:56.48 | otavio | woglinde: i'm updating it |
| 19:56.50 | Laibsch | woglinde: bluelightning and hrw have given the thumbs up |
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| 19:57.14 | Laibsch | otavio: do you absolutely need 3.0.4? |
| 19:57.22 | Laibsch | 3.5.5 built fine for me yesterday |
| 19:57.24 | Laibsch | give it a try |
| 19:57.40 | Laibsch | and you should report those builds against tinderbox |
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| 20:00.08 | jolt_ | hallo |
| 20:01.12 | CIA-55 | 03Rolf Leggewie <oe-devel@rolf.leggewie.biz> 07org.openembedded.dev * r84900630a4 10openembedded.git/recipes/qte/qte-mt-static_2.3.10.bb: |
| 20:01.12 | CIA-55 | qte: drop static version |
| 20:01.12 | CIA-55 | * it doesn't seem to be in use any longer and can create problems |
| 20:01.12 | CIA-55 | if built in the same TMPDIR alongside the nonstatic version |
| 20:01.14 | CIA-55 | * ACK'd by hrw, woglinde and bluelightning |
| 20:02.05 | woglinde | 3.0.4 has security bugs anyway |
| 20:02.58 | otavio | Laibsch: I've just finished the cherry-picking of changes to get firefox 3.5.5 |
| 20:03.15 | Laibsch | you have a local branch? |
| 20:04.28 | otavio | Laibsch: yes; based on stable |
| 20:04.38 | otavio | Laibsch: I'll update it to dev soon |
| 20:04.52 | otavio | Laibsch: but I'm still deciding how to do that |
| 20:05.28 | Laibsch | remembers something on the ml about that |
| 20:05.50 | Laibsch | are we seeing a new stable branch anytime soon? |
| 20:06.00 | Laibsch | if so, I'd love to hear about the policy for it |
| 20:06.14 | otavio | Laibsch: yes |
| 20:06.19 | woglinde | tsc should decide |
| 20:06.20 | Laibsch | would be interested in a bugfix-only branch |
| 20:06.39 | otavio | Laibsch: people didn't worry too much about stable and how to update from stable/2009 to stable/2010 |
| 20:06.58 | Laibsch | Ah, yes |
| 20:07.02 | Laibsch | I remember better now |
| 20:07.27 | Laibsch | woglinde: There is nothing wrong per se with the current policy |
| 20:07.46 | Laibsch | I'd be more interested in a bugfix-only branch, though |
| 20:08.12 | Laibsch | Both approaches are legitimate and I don't think OE will support three branches ;-) |
| 20:13.47 | JaMa | guess that Laibsch will be annoyed even more now.. |
| 20:14.02 | Laibsch | why? |
| 20:14.05 | Laibsch | answers? |
| 20:14.07 | JaMa | e-mail :) |
| 20:14.26 | Laibsch | alright |
| 20:14.35 | Laibsch | Welcome to my ignore file, then, Mr Robert |
| 20:14.47 | woglinde | hihi |
| 20:14.53 | woglinde | let me see |
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| 20:16.13 | Laibsch | JaMa: just a confirmation of my suspicion. |
| 20:17.41 | Laibsch | He's even got a nicely broken Message-ID, so with some luck I can even block out the follow-ups to his junk :-D |
| 20:18.55 | JaMa | he seems to be ignoring other people opinions :/ |
| 20:18.59 | woglinde | I will slient fix the bugs |
| 20:19.07 | woglinde | and let him complain |
| 20:19.42 | broonie | notes that he'd be an awful lot more useful if he actually contributed stuff rather than juts mailing the list all the time. |
| 20:19.46 | woglinde | + continue |
| 20:19.49 | woglinde | I forgot |
| 20:21.27 | JaMa | yes maybe he should accept the truth that fedora F12 is not only right distro and if something fails there (or even only on his computer) then it's his duty to check why it doesn't work there.. |
| 20:21.54 | woglinde | kama to mee seems his problems are easy to fix |
| 20:21.58 | woglinde | args jama |
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| 20:27.34 | JaMa | with his signature "Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry." I would expect better approach |
| 20:28.08 | broonie | He used to e-mail kernel maintainers with unreferenced Kconfigs he found. |
| 20:28.27 | broonie | Every kernel release there'd be a mail for me saying "Oh, $THING is there" |
| 20:29.05 | broonie | Every kernel release I'd mail him back (with increasing rudeness) saying "That's something that needs to be added in arch/arm for that board - you really need to speak to the board/port maintainers" |
| 20:31.36 | Laibsch | In that case maybe we should think about blocking him from the list if he continues this way |
| 20:31.53 | Laibsch | I remember that zecke was quite annoyed already by his first mail |
| 20:32.08 | woglinde | laibsch no |
| 20:32.12 | woglinde | better let him talk |
| 20:32.18 | woglinde | its fun |
| 20:32.26 | woglinde | but dont answer |
| 20:32.31 | Laibsch | for certain definitions of fun ;-) |
| 20:38.13 | broonie | Dammit, why did Mark have to go and rewrite the gzio code. |
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| 20:56.33 | otavio | 0humm ... |
| 20:56.38 | otavio | still fails |
| 21:06.10 | kergoth | broonie: re: contribution, if you're referring to robert day, he has sent a variety of fixes for the bitbake documentation to the bitbake-dev list. |
| 21:06.32 | broonie | That sounds like him, yeah. |
| 21:07.19 | kergoth | if people want to whine about his posts, i can see that, but don't claim he never contributes when he clearly does from time to time |
| 21:10.14 | broonie | It's the disproportionate comparison between his contributions and his demands that I noticed (particularly with his OE stuff). |
| 21:10.38 | broonie | A lot of the posts in the last thread came over as "WTF? You haven't fixed my problem yet! Get to it!" |
| 21:11.18 | broonie | which isn't really what you expect with a project targetted at the sort of audience OE is. |
| 21:11.54 | otavio | broonie: you know that there are all kind of people in FS World. |
| 21:12.15 | otavio | broonie: some are quite good in technical aspects and horrible in social ones |
| 21:12.22 | otavio | broonie: we need to live with that |
| 21:15.20 | broonie | Yeah, that's why the contributions help. |
| 21:19.48 | Laibsch | the problem (apart from his demanding attitude) is him insisting on his particular ways (which aren't helpful) |
| 21:20.08 | Laibsch | this loss of efficiency for a large number of people is not counterbalanced by a few contributions to docs |
| 21:20.38 | mwester | is so glad that mwester never upsets anyone on the OE ml. |
| 21:20.41 | mwester | ;) :D |
| 21:21.09 | kergoth | "loss of efficiency for a large number of people" is hand waving. make a list of the "vast" number of people forced to filter his messages to the trash in their mail clients, then we can talk about alienating users and contributers by blocking them from the lists |
| 21:22.08 | broonie | agrees that blocking him would be bad |
| 21:22.16 | Laibsch | it's not hand waving |
| 21:22.25 | Laibsch | Just look at who tried to help him |
| 21:22.29 | Laibsch | and what he did |
| 21:22.42 | Laibsch | AFAICT he did not follow a single advice |
| 21:22.47 | Laibsch | even when given numerous times |
| 21:22.57 | Laibsch | helpers include (from my head) |
| 21:23.01 | Laibsch | Paul Wenzel |
| 21:23.05 | Laibsch | Zecke |
| 21:23.07 | Laibsch | Me |
| 21:23.17 | Laibsch | and I'm quite positive there were others |
| 21:23.32 | Laibsch | so, yes, there is significant loss if valuable suggestions are ignored |
| 21:26.29 | Laibsch | I'm not arguing for the half-joking suggestion to get him banned. But kergoth makes it sound like we're all treating him unfairly. |
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| 21:30.44 | florian | re |
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| 21:42.53 | Jay7 | florian: about dns on ltg :) |
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| 21:48.10 | Jay7 | started building of gnome-games |
| 21:48.15 | Jay7 | just to be sure :) |
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| 22:22.36 | Laibsch | Jay7: you are pretty familiar with kexecboot, aren't you? |
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| 22:23.11 | Laibsch | does kexeceboot currently allow booting of an ext2 filesystem-in-a-file on a vfat partition? |
| 22:23.19 | Laibsch | if not, is that a planned feature? |
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| 22:32.58 | broonie | notes that zlib 1.2.3.5 (not in OE) breaks libxml rather impressively due to libxml peering inside the zlib internals in ways that it really shouldn't. |
| 22:33.30 | woglinde_ | hm zlib 1.2.3.5? |
| 22:33.30 | broonie | Trying to update zlib in OE would be a really bad idea :/ |
| 22:33.37 | broonie | New upstream beta. |
| 22:33.42 | woglinde_ | ieehks beta |
| 22:33.53 | woglinde_ | libjpeg8 is out too |
| 22:34.31 | broonie | zlib upstream is rather glacial and Debian really wants things like 64 bit clean gzio |
| 22:34.50 | woglinde_ | whats gzio? |
| 22:34.58 | broonie | gzopen() and friends |
| 22:43.09 | Jay7 | Laibsch: yes, I'm :) |
| 22:43.28 | Jay7 | no, kexecboot can boot only from real FS atm |
| 22:43.43 | Jay7 | about planned'ness... |
| 22:43.55 | Jay7 | I've no such plans :) |
| 22:44.33 | Jay7 | we scanning /proc/partitions for available partitions |
| 22:45.54 | Jay7 | so.. if you find a way to mount that fs-in-a-file from kernel then it will be usable :) |
| 22:46.20 | Laibsch | I see |
| 22:46.26 | Laibsch | Is vfat supported? |
| 22:46.34 | Laibsch | I guess it may be possible to mount it |
| 22:46.54 | Laibsch | but then you have the issue of non-existent user/group settings |
| 22:47.31 | Laibsch | Jay7: does the kexecboot kernel have loop support? |
| 22:47.42 | Laibsch | isn't that all that would be necessary? |
| 22:47.52 | Jay7 | vfat is supported |
| 22:47.54 | Laibsch | maybe not all |
| 22:48.00 | Laibsch | but the most important thing |
| 22:48.02 | Jay7 | but not sure about loop |
| 22:48.10 | Jay7 | better to ask ant |
| 22:48.12 | Laibsch | how would you use vfat? |
| 22:48.19 | Laibsch | well. he's not around |
| 22:48.22 | Jay7 | he is our kernel engineer :) |
| 22:48.25 | Laibsch | that's why I chose you |
| 22:48.42 | Laibsch | vfat can't really work conceptually, unless I'm mistaken |
| 22:49.14 | Jay7 | you can place on vfat zImage with initramfs inside e.g. |
| 22:49.23 | Jay7 | then it can be booted by kexecboot |
| 22:49.56 | sgh | kergoth: Is bitbake 1.8.18 the recommended version to use? |
| 22:50.15 | woglinde_ | sgh for dev yes |
| 22:50.46 | sgh | woglinde_: and if I'm a mortal user. Which version should I use then? |
| 22:56.39 | mickey|sports | for the records, qte-mt-static was for the Qt2.x backport of Konqueror/Embedded 3.x |
| 22:57.07 | mickey|sports | archos has sponsored that back then when they were using Qtopia |
| 22:57.10 | Laibsch | Jay7: tell me more. Is there a size limit? |
| 22:57.37 | Jay7 | Laibsch: in kexecboot's code - no |
| 22:58.06 | Jay7 | it just kexec'ing zImage |
| 22:58.11 | Jay7 | by kexec-tools |
| 22:58.17 | Laibsch | mickey|sports: thank you for sharing that background. Is the Konq/E still used/useable? I know you have probably not touched it in years. But you know that others are still interested in Opie. |
| 22:58.34 | Laibsch | Jay7: so, basically, that's what I want, right? |
| 22:58.36 | Jay7 | ask bluelightning |
| 22:58.41 | Laibsch | a zImage |
| 22:58.43 | Jay7 | about opie and konq :) |
| 22:58.53 | Laibsch | he didn't know |
| 22:58.56 | Laibsch | I already did |
| 22:59.08 | Jay7 | Laibsch: may be :) I don't know what you want exactly :) |
| 22:59.10 | Laibsch | He didn't know what the use of qte-mt-static was |
| 22:59.15 | mickey|sports | Laibsch: afaik no one is using it anymore since long. |
| 22:59.26 | Jay7 | mickey|sports: zaurus people do :) |
| 22:59.33 | Laibsch | I figured |
| 22:59.44 | bluelightning | when I was building konqe I was simply building it against ordinary qte-mt |
| 22:59.51 | Laibsch | mickey|sports: Is there an alternative browser for Opie? |
| 23:00.14 | mickey|sports | no idea |
| 23:00.24 | bluelightning | Laibsch: no... once there was opera but it was a really old version built against libs that can no longer be used with Opie |
| 23:00.25 | mickey|sports | been away for long |
| 23:00.35 | bluelightning | well, at least I assume so anyway |
| 23:00.52 | Laibsch | bluelightning: then we should keep that in the back of our heads and maybe resurrect qte-mt-static |
| 23:01.10 | Jay7 | someone can port webkit one time ;) |
| 23:01.18 | Laibsch | mickey|sports: what difference did it make building konqE against -static or plain? |
| 23:01.23 | woglinde_ | jay7 hu? |
| 23:01.25 | bluelightning | Laibsch: ok, well last I played around with konqe I did not need it, but as you say it's easy to bring back |
| 23:01.26 | mickey|sports | binary compatibility |
| 23:01.39 | mickey|sports | Opie feeds were binary compatible with the SharpROM for years |
| 23:01.42 | Jay7 | woglinde_: someone ;) |
| 23:01.48 | Laibsch | Jay7: What I want is to simply place a file on my SD card for testing instead of untarring the filesystem. With a vfat formatted card, I'm also more flexible in the usage. |
| 23:01.49 | mickey|sports | but therefore we could not use -mt |
| 23:01.57 | woglinde_ | jay7 not even zecke would make it |
| 23:02.06 | mickey|sports | for people who wanted opie + konq/e 3.x we had to use a static variant |
| 23:02.10 | Jay7 | woglinde_: one time one man will sit down and port it I believe! :) |
| 23:02.11 | Laibsch | I see |
| 23:02.16 | mickey|sports | anyways, all that is void these days |
| 23:02.23 | Laibsch | bluelightning: I don't think we need -static, then |
| 23:02.24 | woglinde_ | jay7 no |
| 23:02.25 | mickey|sports | as the base feeds can be built w/ an mt variant |
| 23:02.30 | Laibsch | yes |
| 23:02.49 | Jay7 | Laibsch: you can pack your fs into initramfs and use one big single zImage file :) |
| 23:02.58 | Laibsch | and I doubt even with that -static mt things would be binary compatible these days |
| 23:03.16 | Jay7 | or try to configure loop device.. but I'm not sure about kernel support |
| 23:03.18 | Laibsch | mickey|sports: will sharprom-compatible distro work without -static? |
| 23:03.48 | mickey|sports | no idea |
| 23:03.58 | mickey|sports | but seriously, all that stuff is so old |
| 23:04.12 | mickey|sports | if someone still wants to jump through all hurdles necessary to resurrect it |
| 23:04.17 | mickey|sports | he may as well bring back the -static variant |
| 23:04.43 | mickey|sports | i gave up on my python feed for sharprom years ago as well |
| 23:04.43 | Laibsch | it's just that the information about it is being lost |
| 23:04.50 | mickey|sports | well |
| 23:04.51 | Laibsch | those who have it, have lost interest |
| 23:04.54 | mickey|sports | as long as I'm living... |
| 23:04.57 | mickey|sports | the info is somewhat availabie ;) |
| 23:05.27 | Laibsch | I guess I should look into moving forward to Qt4X11 as soon as possible |
| 23:05.37 | Laibsch | but there still are some thing I can only do in old opie |
| 23:05.59 | Laibsch | and bluelightning seems to have an undying love for it ;-) |
| 23:06.12 | Jay7 | I'm looking for qt4x11 too |
| 23:06.44 | Jay7 | but zaurus RAM is too small.. |
| 23:07.11 | Jay7 | want a new motherboard and screen for zaurus |
| 23:07.30 | Jay7 | something like beagleboard :) |
| 23:07.39 | woglinde_ | *g* |
| 23:08.03 | Jay7 | or pandora |
| 23:08.08 | Laibsch | really? |
| 23:08.14 | Laibsch | qt4x11 is not an option? |
| 23:08.33 | Laibsch | Well, then I don't even need to think about leaving Opie |
| 23:08.36 | Jay7 | Laibsch: it can be used but.. |
| 23:08.44 | Laibsch | well |
| 23:08.49 | Jay7 | swap is necessary anyway :) |
| 23:09.08 | Laibsch | I'm interested in new hardware, but so far I'm not seeing anything to really get me interested |
| 23:09.26 | Laibsch | I still like the Z |
| 23:09.38 | Jay7 | all like Z.. |
| 23:11.09 | Jay7 | Laibsch: btw, #kexecboot |
| 23:12.10 | Jay7 | hmm.. |
| 23:12.19 | Jay7 | CoreDump|home: logs are still broken |
| 23:12.51 | Jay7 | logs of #kexecboot |
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