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| 04:46.07 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4379 has been created by lynn.lin(AT)avocent.com |
| 04:46.09 | cdbot2 | * * missing some tasks |
| 04:46.11 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4379 |
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| 08:07.35 | czr_ | slightly OT, but does anyone know of a nice mtd-utils tutorial? I'm mainly interested in seeing the whole chain of stuff that one needs to do in order to store the EBS and such (via sumtool) to flash (StrataFlash NOR in my case) |
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| 08:36.34 | frozeneskimo | hiya |
| 08:39.02 | frozeneskimo | i'm looking to crosscompile some software that has a traditional makefile for a gumstix openembedded system. i have the gumstix basic image all built up with openembedded already, so the cross-compiler and all of the other packages have been built. however i haven't had much success making a bitbake package to use the makefile of the software i want to build. i was wondering if i could get at the paths of the crosscompiler bins and lib |
| 08:39.02 | frozeneskimo | s and includes myself and just do things the old fashioned way without bitbake? |
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| 08:49.27 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, do you know where your "tmp" for bitbake is? |
| 08:49.33 | frozeneskimo | czr_, yup |
| 08:49.43 | czr_ | look in tmp/cross/bin |
| 08:49.46 | frozeneskimo | oh duh |
| 08:49.48 | frozeneskimo | why didn't i see that |
| 08:49.55 | czr_ | shrugs :-) |
| 08:50.00 | frozeneskimo | thanks czr |
| 08:50.00 | czr_ | just started couple of days ago myself |
| 08:50.05 | frozeneskimo | yeah |
| 08:50.11 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, any idea what I should pass to mount to mount a jffs2 filesystem properly? |
| 08:50.19 | frozeneskimo | mm |
| 08:50.23 | frozeneskimo | -t jffs2? |
| 08:50.23 | czr_ | trying to use /dev/mtd3 (where I wrote the image with flashcp), but it fails |
| 08:50.25 | frozeneskimo | hehe |
| 08:50.30 | czr_ | well, obviously -t jffs2 :-) |
| 08:50.42 | frozeneskimo | nah not sure, sorry |
| 08:50.47 | czr_ | np :-) |
| 08:50.48 | frozeneskimo | just curious |
| 08:50.54 | frozeneskimo | what hardware you working wtih? |
| 08:51.04 | czr_ | almost the same that you are (if you have gumstix) |
| 08:51.08 | frozeneskimo | yeah |
| 08:51.08 | czr_ | pxa270 (toradex colibri) |
| 08:51.15 | frozeneskimo | cool |
| 08:51.19 | frozeneskimo | doesn't bitbake take |
| 08:51.25 | frozeneskimo | an ungodly time to build the basic image? |
| 08:51.38 | frozeneskimo | or is it just me |
| 08:51.40 | czr_ | everything is relative. also remember to set your TMPDIR in local.conf ;-) |
| 08:51.49 | czr_ | the first image takes some time indeed. |
| 08:51.54 | frozeneskimo | i just remember the traditional gumstix builds |
| 08:52.02 | czr_ | after that I find it relatively fast, although I have a lot of memory. |
| 08:52.06 | frozeneskimo | being much quicker |
| 08:53.38 | frozeneskimo | but cool |
| 08:53.46 | frozeneskimo | thanks for the tip and pointing to /tmp/cross |
| 08:53.50 | czr_ | hmm. maybe I'm supposed to mount /dev/mtdblockN instead |
| 08:54.00 | czr_ | np :-) |
| 08:54.49 | czr_ | well it works. but.. hmmhm. |
| 08:55.08 | czr_ | can anyone please verify that jffs2 should be mounted from /dev/mtdblockN instead of the /dev/mtdN devices? |
| 08:55.22 | frozeneskimo | can you do that from within a gumstix oe system? |
| 08:55.31 | frozeneskimo | i can check the mount on a working oe verdex |
| 08:55.54 | czr_ | I could imagine so, but not sure. I'm running a nfsrooted and tftp-loaded kernel on my board (non-gumstix) |
| 08:56.06 | frozeneskimo | ill boot it up and check |
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| 08:57.34 | czr_ | well, I'd assume that if anyone is running anything with jffs2, it'd be enough to check /proc/mounts |
| 08:59.14 | frozeneskimo | hmm |
| 08:59.22 | frozeneskimo | i dont think theres anything helpful here but |
| 08:59.29 | frozeneskimo | two lines that refer to jffs2 are |
| 08:59.33 | frozeneskimo | /dev/root / jffs2 rw,sync,noatime 0 0 |
| 08:59.50 | czr_ | hmm. what do you have in /proc/cmdline? |
| 08:59.58 | frozeneskimo | /dev/root /dev/.static/dev jffs2 rw,sync 0 0 |
| 09:00.07 | frozeneskimo | console=ttyS0,115200n8 root=1f01 rootfstype=jffs2 reboot=cold,hard |
| 09:00.17 | czr_ | hmm. let me check :-) |
| 09:00.45 | czr_ | yeah, that's /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 09:00.48 | czr_ | thanks frozeneskimo |
| 09:00.53 | frozeneskimo | np |
| 09:00.56 | czr_ | (root=1f01) |
| 09:01.00 | frozeneskimo | yeah i figured |
| 09:01.19 | frozeneskimo | let me know if you need anything else, that system will be up for a bit anyway |
| 09:01.36 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, I will, although I'm still trying to learn the whole OE setup and mtd-utils |
| 09:02.04 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, btw, did you do any jtag stuff with the verdex? |
| 09:02.19 | frozeneskimo | not yet |
| 09:02.29 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, planning to? |
| 09:02.30 | frozeneskimo | but the uboot got screwed up on two other vedex's |
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| 09:02.39 | czr_ | nods |
| 09:02.43 | frozeneskimo | and i have a wiggler and the board and everything i just havent gotten around to reflashing yet |
| 09:02.52 | czr_ | ah. regular wiggler? |
| 09:03.04 | frozeneskimo | yeah just a regular one built on a perf board hehe |
| 09:03.09 | czr_ | I had grief with amontec's usb jtagkeys, but I haven't really found out what the issue was (was using openocd) |
| 09:03.14 | frozeneskimo | well a clone i mean |
| 09:03.18 | czr_ | nods |
| 09:04.05 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, do you have any idea wether gumstix is going to push their stuff upstream to OE at some point? |
| 09:04.22 | frozeneskimo | hmm no clue |
| 09:04.31 | frozeneskimo | but i'd imagine they'd want to |
| 09:04.47 | frozeneskimo | just because its all consolidated and less to worry about i guess? |
| 09:06.03 | frozeneskimo | but yeah i've no clue to be honest |
| 09:08.23 | hrw | morning |
| 09:08.29 | frozeneskimo | morning hrw |
| 09:10.11 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, would make it easier to compare the various configs across different pxa270 devices |
| 09:11.00 | frozeneskimo | yup true |
| 09:11.59 | czr_ | shudders at the thought of developing board support for pxa320s |
| 09:12.12 | czr_ | there's scarcely any foss stuff for those. |
| 09:12.18 | frozeneskimo | hehe |
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| 09:13.55 | czr_ | cbrake, is there a reason why the -miwxxt tuning is disabled for cm-x270 in .stable? |
| 09:14.10 | czr_ | (no, I haven't tried enabling it yet, just curious) |
| 09:15.00 | hrw | czr_: segfaults |
| 09:15.32 | czr_ | hrw, ah, that old lame excuse :-) |
| 09:15.43 | hrw | czr_: and nearly no speedup |
| 09:15.56 | hrw | czr_: we enable iwmmxt for mplayer as this show some speedup |
| 09:15.57 | czr_ | yeah, was wondering whether there'd be any |
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| 09:16.31 | czr_ | I read somewhere that gcc doesn't yet know how to vectorize for the iwmmxt coproc anyway. gas supports it (so I hear), but there was something missing still. |
| 09:19.57 | florian | good morning |
| 09:20.02 | czr_ | mornink |
| 09:21.03 | czr_ | anyone here who knows how sumtool works? (mtd-utils) |
| 09:22.11 | frozeneskimo | anybody know somekind of cflag that would prevent including posix1 limits/minimum-values like _POSIX_PATH_MAX? |
| 09:23.02 | czr_ | frozeneskimo, why do you want to do that? |
| 09:23.22 | frozeneskimo | oh i don't |
| 09:23.27 | czr_ | (I'm not aware of any cflag for that specifically) |
| 09:23.28 | frozeneskimo | im trying to find a reason that it's not including that |
| 09:23.47 | czr_ | are you using the correct include path? |
| 09:23.51 | frozeneskimo | yeah |
| 09:24.21 | frozeneskimo | .../gumstix-oe/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include |
| 09:24.21 | czr_ | try running the cross gcc with -E and inspect what happens to the point of code that includes the limits.h |
| 09:24.30 | frozeneskimo | ok |
| 09:24.38 | czr_ | -E only runs the cpp on the input |
| 09:25.57 | frozeneskimo | righto |
| 09:29.48 | czr_ | hmm. mounting jffs2 takes ages (2 seconds). adding summary info doesn't seem to make it any faster (seems slower infact) |
| 09:31.59 | XorA|gone | czr_: .jffs2 is the summary version |
| 09:32.19 | XorA|gone | czr_: erm forget that wrong channel |
| 09:32.21 | czr_ | XorA|gone, hmm? I built my own jffs-image |
| 09:32.28 | czr_ | :-) |
| 09:32.48 | XorA | make a massive difference on some machine |
| 09:33.16 | czr_ | hmm. not on this one. although I'm thinking that maybe the kernel doesn't support summaries (not OE kernel, yet) |
| 09:33.28 | czr_ | but it's 2.6.20, and summary support went into mainline ages ago (pre .20) |
| 09:33.28 | XorA | :-D |
| 09:33.35 | czr_ | so I'm wondering.. |
| 09:33.49 | XorA | I dont much of the details |
| 09:34.08 | XorA | on the zaurus, summary never seemed to speed up boot, on gta02 device, it saves masses of time |
| 09:34.13 | czr_ | doesn't seem that many peiople do. mtd-utils and that stuff doesn't have too much odcumentation floating around |
| 09:34.17 | XorA | maybe it depends on CPU and NAND read speed |
| 09:34.19 | czr_ | do they have NAND? |
| 09:34.25 | czr_ | cause I'm using NOR for this device |
| 09:34.48 | XorA | NOR is faster to read isnt it? |
| 09:34.48 | czr_ | and I guess for NOR it wouldn't make a big difference sense, since they support random access sub-page-reads. at least I'm hoping that they do. |
| 09:35.05 | czr_ | kind of. depends. I guess :-) |
| 09:35.11 | czr_ | is no expert |
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| 09:43.03 | czr_ | ah. |
| 09:43.23 | czr_ | found the kernel config for the kernel that is running.. "# CONFIG_JFFS2_SUMMARY is not set" |
| 09:43.31 | czr_ | curses into the general direction of austria and germany |
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| 09:47.48 | frozeneskimo | odd |
| 09:47.57 | kario | is JFFS2 suitable for NAND? should i be using yffs instead? |
| 09:47.59 | frozeneskimo | i ended up just defining it manually and everything built |
| 09:50.47 | czr_ | kario, I guess the main grief with jffs2 is its scalability problems. so for large nand, probably not the best choice. although it's been used for ages.. |
| 09:51.07 | czr_ | I haven't used yaffs yet. there's also ubifs which is coming along. |
| 09:52.36 | pb_ | hi lrg |
| 09:57.54 | xjqian | hrw: I built tosa console-image (2.6.24 kernel) from stable branch, to trouble-shoot the unbootable problem. I replaced with zImage built from dev |
| 09:58.37 | xjqian | hrw: it boots, but showing "Could not load/lib/modules/2.6.23/modules.dep" |
| 09:58.42 | methril | you mean ?yaffs2 |
| 09:59.04 | xjqian | hrw: where does 2.6.23 come from? |
| 10:00.15 | lrg | hey pb_ |
| 10:01.52 | hrw | xjqian: "uname -a"? |
| 10:03.19 | xjqian | aha: 2.6.23 |
| 10:03.52 | hrw | now you know answer? |
| 10:04.08 | xjqian | hrw: no, but checking my dev branch set-up |
| 10:07.04 | czr_ | methril, yes |
| 10:07.30 | xjqian | hrw: still no idea how 2.6.23 gets there. |
| 10:08.06 | hrw | no idea either |
| 10:08.08 | xjqian | hrw: 2.6.24 was built from dev branch, weird |
| 10:08.12 | czr_ | hmm. is anyone aware of an uboot tutorial? |
| 10:08.25 | methril | me |
| 10:08.59 | czr_ | methril, hmm. riddle me this, does uboot decompress the kernel or the kernel decompresses it? as I understand, the kernel needs to be in 'uImage' format in order to load in uboot, right? |
| 10:08.59 | methril | see #u-boot channel or http://www.denx.de/wiki/UBoot/WebHome |
| 10:09.04 | czr_ | ah, thanks |
| 10:09.19 | methril | right |
| 10:10.19 | methril | the kernel is compressed in flash, it gives the data and decompress it |
| 10:10.40 | methril | you could store the kernel decompressed, and the boot up time is shorter |
| 10:10.57 | methril | but needs more flash space :) |
| 10:11.05 | czr_ | so, u-boot loads the compressed image into RAM, then jumps to the kernel, which is actually stub code that then decompresses the kernel into another location in RAM? |
| 10:11.34 | czr_ | yeah, I know these things in the x86/x86-64-world, but not in embedded. hence the silly sounding questions :-) |
| 10:11.56 | xjqian | hrw: my mistake, never mind. But still trying to figure out why the kernel built from stable fails to boot |
| 10:12.06 | methril | czr_ yes |
| 10:12.30 | czr_ | methril, excellent. thanks. any hints on how to generate an uImage formatted kernel? I'm assuming make bzImage isn't the way to go :-) |
| 10:12.47 | XorA | czr_: look at packages/linux/linux.inc |
| 10:12.55 | methril | it's a start |
| 10:13.02 | czr_ | thanks |
| 10:13.21 | methril | then you could use mkimage, but are in oe (transparent) |
| 10:13.49 | czr_ | well, I'm not using oe kernel yet. I'm trying to live with the vendor provided one since it has board support. |
| 10:14.06 | czr_ | longer term plan is to integrate the necessary stuff into oe-driven process, but not quite yet. |
| 10:14.10 | XorA | czr_: should be easy to put your kernel in OE |
| 10:14.36 | czr_ | XorA, easy is relative, just used oe for 3 days now ;-) |
| 10:14.41 | methril | as i see OE, if it works out of it, it works in OE |
| 10:15.02 | methril | XorA is a OE master, for him is easy :) |
| 10:15.44 | czr_ | mkimage is the tool that generates uImage formatted kernels? |
| 10:16.10 | hrw | czr_: u-boot can load compressed kernel, unpack it and boot. or can give decompression task for loaded kernel |
| 10:16.18 | czr_ | hrw, which is better? |
| 10:16.32 | XorA | is just a drunkard who staggered into the channel one day and they couldnt turf me out |
| 10:16.34 | hrw | no idea - I am not uboot master |
| 10:16.42 | frozeneskimo | ah well i feel refreshed, everything finally worked out after all |
| 10:16.46 | czr_ | I'm thinking of trying the lzma patches at some point, so I'm thinking I should move to the kernel decompression because of that. |
| 10:16.53 | XorA | use the kernel decrompessor |
| 10:16.56 | methril | czr_ it depends |
| 10:16.57 | XorA | u-boots code sucks |
| 10:19.18 | czr_ | hmm. is xuImage the correct KERNEL_IMAGETYPE? |
| 10:19.25 | czr_ | ah sorry, misread the script ;-) |
| 10:19.26 | czr_ | nm |
| 10:19.52 | methril | are you going to use lzma and you want to keep the kernel decompressed? |
| 10:20.03 | methril | if you want to save space, compress it too |
| 10:20.24 | czr_ | methril, lzma while on flash. uncompressed while in ram (obviously) |
| 10:20.43 | methril | ah! ok |
| 10:20.46 | methril | :) |
| 10:20.55 | czr_ | although I haven't yet decided on the lzma bit. depends on many things that I haven't tested yet. |
| 10:21.13 | czr_ | so I'ms starting with regular zlib. |
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| 10:22.51 | czr_ | hmm. uImage leads to uncompressed image. what other choices are there? reading linux.inc it seems that if KERNEL_IMAGETYPE is anything else, it will be an compressed one |
| 10:24.58 | XorA | if test -e arch/${ARCH}/boot/compressed/vmlinux ; then |
| 10:25.04 | XorA | it hinges on that if statement |
| 10:25.30 | czr_ | ah yes. misread that too. |
| 10:34.14 | czr_ | XorA, is there any reason why one would want u-boot to decompress the kernel? I'm just thinking that it seems like unnecesary code in u-boot. |
| 10:34.35 | XorA | czr_: havent found one yet, but maybe there is somewhere :-) |
| 10:34.41 | czr_ | nods |
| 10:34.48 | hrw | czr_: u-boot can boot non-linux too probably |
| 10:34.57 | czr_ | ah. that would be a reason. |
| 10:35.04 | methril | it can |
| 10:35.08 | XorA | has used u-boot to boot u-boot |
| 10:35.40 | methril | hahaha |
| 10:35.59 | methril | you suggest another embedded boot loader? |
| 10:36.40 | czr_ | hmm. does u-boot support jffs2? |
| 10:36.46 | czr_ | (or have a driver for it) |
| 10:36.57 | methril | it's a boot loader, not an OS |
| 10:37.06 | czr_ | well, it has ext2 support. |
| 10:37.11 | czr_ | optional but still. |
| 10:37.23 | methril | yes, and jffs2 and VFAT |
| 10:37.35 | czr_ | good. more options then. |
| 10:37.44 | czr_ | I haven't really decided how to load the kernel yet, hence the pondering. |
| 10:38.18 | methril | for SMC /MMC cards it's usefull to have VFAT support (for testing) |
| 10:38.35 | czr_ | well, I'm testing using tftp/nfs anyway, much more convenient. |
| 10:38.48 | czr_ | but I guess for boards without ethernet, mmc would be the way to go |
| 10:39.32 | czr_ | hmm. otoh, mounting jffs2 will probably take ages with u-boot. /me sighs. |
| 10:40.23 | methril | i don't know i'll never test |
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| 11:32.45 | woglinde | hi sebastian |
| 11:33.01 | smancke | hi woglinde |
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| 11:35.37 | woglinde | hi cedric |
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| 11:38.26 | hrw | bye |
| 11:39.50 | woglinde | ciao hrw |
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| 11:46.46 | Crofton|work | gm mickeyl |
| 11:46.55 | mickeyl | good morning Crofton! |
| 11:47.20 | Crofton|work | How's the eV? |
| 11:49.13 | woglinde | hi crofton |
| 11:49.16 | mickeyl | good question |
| 11:49.18 | mickeyl | ~seen rschuster |
| 11:49.21 | ibot | rschuster <n=rob@brln-4db88b70.pool.einsundeins.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 8d 16h 3m 47s ago, saying: 'kario: it is also available freely (CC-BY-SA) as PDF'. |
| 11:49.37 | Crofton|work | hmm, I was hoping that was an easy question :) |
| 11:50.08 | mickeyl | iirc rschuster has received the signed documents and needs to or already submit(ted) them to the authorities |
| 11:50.08 | woglinde | crofton *g* |
| 11:50.08 | mickeyl | we chose him since he's in berlin most of the time |
| 11:51.26 | Crofton|work | grumbles |
| 11:51.34 | Crofton|work | berlios is refusing connectons |
| 11:51.48 | woglinde | crofton this happend often |
| 11:51.54 | Crofton|work | yeah |
| 11:52.07 | woglinde | hm okay than we have to wait half year for the e.v. |
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| 11:59.11 | smancke | mickeyl, rschuster had some networks problems and was offline in the last days |
| 11:59.24 | mickeyl | ok, thanks for the hint |
| 11:59.34 | mickeyl | looking forward to seeing you in Bonn |
| 11:59.50 | mickeyl | anything you want me to talk about in my talk? |
| 11:59.54 | mickeyl | Jalimo? ;) |
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| 12:00.21 | smancke | I'm also awaiting the froscon ;-) |
| 12:00.48 | smancke | jalimo would of course be good, but the middleware api would be good too! |
| 12:06.33 | mickeyl | *nod* I'll talk more about the API |
| 12:06.45 | mickeyl | will present some funny examples |
| 12:06.49 | mickeyl | sms echo server or something |
| 12:07.19 | smancke | ah, great. |
| 12:07.42 | smancke | did you already do the announced release? |
| 12:08.12 | mickeyl | yep |
| 12:08.23 | mickeyl | two days ago milestone 1 was released |
| 12:08.25 | mickeyl | barebones |
| 12:08.33 | mickeyl | but works fine as a simple phone :) |
| 12:08.45 | mickeyl | which is quite an achievement :D |
| 12:09.00 | mickeyl | from there we will grow that fast |
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| 12:11.57 | smancke | where is it? Is there an image available? |
| 12:13.35 | mickeyl | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/ |
| 12:13.49 | smancke | thx |
| 12:13.57 | B_Lizzard | !oebug 4343 |
| 12:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 4343, Status: NEW, Created: 2008-05-30 15:52 |
| 12:14.03 | cdbot2 | * * mdarland(AT)pager.net: syslogd init script fails |
| 12:14.05 | B_Lizzard | Has anyone experienced this? |
| 12:14.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4343 |
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| 13:05.21 | hrw | re |
| 13:06.29 | woglinde | re hrw |
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| 13:12.51 | zedstar | greetins....im trying to build for chinook and fakeroot_1.9.4.tar.gz is failing to be located....if i manually download it im not sure what to edit to get the process rolling again...any clues? |
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| 13:20.28 | woglinde | zedstar put it in your archive dir and that should be okay |
| 13:20.42 | woglinde | you could too touch the stamp_file for it |
| 13:21.52 | woglinde | something like touch OEDIRPATH/stamps/i686-linux/fakeroot.do_fetch |
| 13:22.04 | woglinde | ups |
| 13:22.28 | woglinde | fakeroot-1.4.9-r0.do_fetch |
| 13:25.18 | zedstar | thanks will have a go...is there a simple way to just edit the broken url to the tarball or the repositories are not changeable on a package basis |
| 13:25.34 | woglinde | nope |
| 13:25.40 | woglinde | you have to edit the .bb file |
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| 13:44.18 | zedstar | thanks woglinde that seems to do the trick |
| 13:45.07 | woglinde | no prob |
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| 14:15.40 | sakoman | good morning |
| 14:15.51 | woglinde | hi sakoman |
| 14:16.10 | sakoman | Is anyone else seeing build issues with libsdl-x11? |
| 14:16.27 | woglinde | sakoman hm |
| 14:16.29 | sakoman | | oe_libinstall: cd src |
| 14:16.29 | sakoman | | oe_libinstall: install -d /home/sakoman/source/omap3-oe/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/ |
| 14:16.29 | sakoman | | FATAL: oe_libinstall: unable to locate shared library |
| 14:16.41 | woglinde | I am on the way to update sdl to the latest |
| 14:17.03 | woglinde | but havent found the time yet to commit my stuff |
| 14:17.15 | sakoman | Ah, then you might see the issue! |
| 14:17.20 | woglinde | hm and yes I think i fixed that localy |
| 14:17.33 | woglinde | let me try |
| 14:18.14 | sakoman | So sad when it it configures, compiles, and packages, and then can't stage :-( |
| 14:18.41 | woglinde | sorry 400 tasks to complete |
| 14:18.59 | woglinde | so it will last a while |
| 14:19.02 | sakoman | no problem, I'm patient ;-) |
| 14:21.38 | woglinde | args |
| 14:21.43 | woglinde | libtool-cross fails |
| 14:21.58 | Crofton|work | woglinde, how? |
| 14:22.12 | woglinde | install: cannot stat `arm-angstrom-linux-uclibc-libtool |
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| 14:24.52 | woglinde | hi kgilmer |
| 14:26.45 | kgilmer | good morning woglinde :) |
| 14:26.56 | woglinde | hm seems the prefix.patch dont do for cross |
| 14:27.03 | woglinde | libtool is there as libtool |
| 14:27.09 | kgilmer | working on a recipe for Ant and Concierge |
| 14:28.42 | woglinde | kgilmer classpath cacao and co makes a lot of problems |
| 14:29.13 | kgilmer | woglinde, like what? |
| 14:31.58 | woglinde | hm with newer autotools and cacao version it dont works anymore as rschuster has suggest it |
| 14:34.05 | kgilmer | ic. i've read on some various blogs that there is some complexity in the various bootstrapping phases with cacao |
| 14:34.46 | kgilmer | i'm still working on porting our application layer to Poky. once I feel good about that I'd like to get more involved with cacao/jamvm/classpath |
| 14:36.03 | woglinde | kgilmer are you using qt directly or qtopia? |
| 14:36.32 | woglinde | args I cant find the error in the libtool building |
| 14:36.34 | kgilmer | we were using qt directly...it's still up in the air what we will be using. |
| 14:36.58 | kgilmer | OE/Poky give us a lot more options than LTIB did (out of the box). |
| 14:37.24 | Crofton|work | ltib? |
| 14:38.37 | kgilmer | http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/ltib |
| 14:38.48 | kgilmer | its a build system from freescale. |
| 14:39.05 | kgilmer | an interesting approach and it worked well for us, but we've kind of out grown it. |
| 14:39.07 | woglinde | croton what was the updates from poky to libtool? |
| 14:40.23 | woglinde | are okay |
| 14:40.31 | woglinde | looked it up myself |
| 14:40.43 | woglinde | hm strange |
| 14:42.08 | Crofton|work | kgilmer, thanks |
| 14:48.29 | woglinde | crofton is libtool-cross-2.2.4-r23 okay at your side? |
| 14:48.42 | Crofton|work | it seems to be |
| 14:48.46 | Crofton|work | I ma glibc though |
| 14:48.57 | woglinde | here it ignors the host variable |
| 14:49.01 | woglinde | somehow |
| 14:49.16 | woglinde | so libtool is libtool |
| 14:49.29 | Crofton|work | :) |
| 14:49.33 | woglinde | hm I will delete all stuff |
| 14:49.38 | woglinde | and try again |
| 14:49.52 | woglinde | sakoman sorry it will last longer than I tought |
| 14:50.18 | sakoman | woglinde: OK, I'll be patient |
| 14:50.39 | sakoman | have other work I can do :-) |
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| 17:03.34 | woglinde | hm |
| 17:03.44 | woglinde | now libtool-cross worked |
| 17:03.45 | woglinde | okay |
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| 17:27.03 | cyrus__ | http://pastebin.com/m20e16bdb |
| 17:27.12 | cyrus__ | can anyone look at that and tell me how I might fix it |
| 17:32.38 | cyrus__ | anyone? |
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| 17:36.23 | kgilmer | sorry, over my head :( |
| 17:38.23 | Crofton|work | is anyone having any luck with berlios svn today? |
| 17:40.10 | Crofton|work | I can't get a new copy of bitbake |
| 17:44.06 | Foolean | Crofton|work: http seems to work, http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/trunk/ |
| 17:44.43 | Crofton|work | hmmm |
| 17:44.52 | Crofton|work | I wonder if they turned off svn:// |
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| 17:48.38 | cyrilRomain | morning |
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| 17:50.13 | cbrake | Crofton: yeah, I had trouble with svn:// access at berlios the other day |
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| 17:54.24 | scant | anyone here with a NSLU2 and OpenSlug and can help me make a working bb file for APCUPSD? |
| 17:55.32 | Crofton|work | can you pastebin the error? |
| 17:56.13 | scant | yes, but i have a feeling the help provided won't help me, i'm too much of a newb |
| 17:58.34 | cbrake | wonders what mdev + upstart would do to boot time ... |
| 18:04.28 | scant | Crofton: are you still here? |
| 18:05.03 | scant | apcupsd_3.14.4.bb: http://pastebin.ca/1051254 |
| 18:05.03 | scant | log.do_compile: http://pastebin.ca/1051257 |
| 18:05.04 | scant | log.do_configure: http://pastebin.ca/1051258 |
| 18:05.04 | scant | run.do_compile: http://pastebin.ca/1051260 |
| 18:05.04 | scant | run.do_configure: http://pastebin.ca/1051261 |
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| 18:05.23 | woglinde | re |
| 18:05.43 | woglinde | sakoman why work on libsdl-x11 is okay its build here |
| 18:08.28 | pH5 | hi woglinde |
| 18:08.37 | Crofton | the problem is shown in log.do_compile: http://pastebin.ca/1051257 |
| 18:09.28 | woglinde | hi oh5 |
| 18:09.31 | woglinde | ups ph5 |
| 18:09.46 | woglinde | ph5 I could sent you my gettext-0.17 stuff if you want |
| 18:10.07 | scant | Crofton: =( |
| 18:10.31 | scant | Crofton: i can read, i don't know how to fix it |
| 18:11.18 | pH5 | woglinde: that'd be cool. on what distro/arch do you have it working? |
| 18:11.18 | woglinde | hm slugos use such an old linker? |
| 18:11.30 | scant | I know there is a problem, I know what log the resulting error is shown in, I know the problem comes from passing linker arguments to ld and not to gcc (I think), again, I don't know how to fix it |
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| 18:12.32 | woglinde | scant try ti use newer binutils |
| 18:12.56 | scant | why do you think that will help? AND how do I use the newer binutils? |
| 18:13.24 | woglinde | because a newer linker knows the -rpath-link? |
| 18:13.50 | scant | is that a question or a statement? |
| 18:14.43 | pH5 | scant: you could try something like EXTRA_OEMAKE = "'LD=${CC}'" |
| 18:15.04 | scant | pH5: you're saying, just include that line and it should work? |
| 18:15.22 | woglinde | ph5 why should that help? |
| 18:15.28 | pH5 | gpsdrive/gpsdrive-pda_2.10pre2.bb does something similar |
| 18:15.40 | pH5 | woglinde: because ld doesn't recognize the -l option |
| 18:15.43 | pH5 | gcc will |
| 18:16.02 | pH5 | (and strip it and pass the -rpath-link through to ld) |
| 18:16.09 | scant | please, someone a long time ago, i've been at this for MONTHS, said the problem is coming from the scripts apcupsd provides, but working with the maintainer of apcupsd doesn't seem like a viable option, i don't have the skills necessary to relay the information for them to help |
| 18:16.11 | woglinde | args right sorry |
| 18:16.15 | sakoman | woglinde: not sure I understand. are you saying that current .dev works for you? |
| 18:16.15 | woglinde | scant sorry |
| 18:16.30 | woglinde | sakoman no my changes on libsdl-x11 works |
| 18:16.36 | scant | however, someone said months ago that apcupsd is passing linker args to LD and not through gcc and that's the problem |
| 18:16.44 | woglinde | scant ph5 is right and I was really wrong |
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| 18:16.59 | sakoman | ah, OK. when will you be checking in the changes? |
| 18:17.14 | scant | hm, let me try it, if it's that simple, i'm very upset it tooks months for someone to say that, if you look in the channel logs, you'll see i've asked this question more than 10 times for more than 5 months |
| 18:19.32 | scant | pH5: that got me past the compile, YEY!!!!!!!! |
| 18:20.25 | scant | pH5: I'm getting this error now: http://pastebin.ca/1051282 |
| 18:22.10 | pH5 | scant: I guess your toolchain is broken, strip should be part of binutils. |
| 18:22.42 | scant | pH5: u sure? |
| 18:23.01 | scant | pH5: I need a NSLU2 expert to chime in |
| 18:23.15 | woglinde | sakoman not now I will update libsdl-qpe too |
| 18:23.46 | sakoman | woglinde: is there an easy workaround for the staging issue I'm seeing? |
| 18:24.06 | sakoman | If not, I will wait for your checkin |
| 18:25.31 | woglinde | sakoman ah hm |
| 18:25.37 | scant | pH5: does gpsdrive use binutils strip? |
| 18:25.57 | woglinde | it has to do with FILES_${PN} |
| 18:26.00 | woglinde | hm |
| 18:27.21 | pH5 | scant: sure? no, it's a guess. do you have the strip tool in your tmp/cross/bin directory? |
| 18:28.08 | pH5 | actually, I think packages should not strip binaries during install at all - isn't this supposed to be done during packaging so the debug info can be extracted for the -dbg packages? |
| 18:32.48 | cyrus__ | can anyone look at this: http://pastebin.com/m20e16bdb and let me know what I might be able to do to fix? |
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| 18:38.29 | XorA | hrw|gone: curse your blog |
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| 18:39.29 | scant | thanks mwester |
| 18:39.47 | scant | i knew my toolchain wasn't broken |
| 18:40.03 | scant | not that i know what a toolchain is ;-) |
| 18:40.03 | woglinde | sakoman you could try do comment out the whole do_stage in libsdl.inc |
| 18:42.26 | pH5 | ~wiki toolchain |
| 18:43.02 | pH5 | scant: binutils+gcc+libc+optionally a few other tools/libs usually |
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| 18:44.09 | scant | pH5: I don't understand if SlugOS includes strip, why slugos/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/install-sh can't find it |
| 18:44.46 | scant | pH5: i also can't find where install-sh with the -s option is being called |
| 18:52.59 | pH5 | scant: care to pastebin the lasat error message again? |
| 18:53.06 | pH5 | s/lasat/last/ |
| 18:55.17 | sakoman | woglinde: OK I'll try that |
| 18:55.50 | woglinde | sakoman unfornatly it dont works right here |
| 18:56.46 | Crofton|work | sakoman, I am bringing OE up on another machine I can use for builds |
| 18:56.53 | Crofton|work | while I am working on some other stuff |
| 19:00.08 | sakoman | Crofton: have you had any libsdl-x11 issues? |
| 19:00.29 | Crofton | no, but I don't do many X11 builds |
| 19:01.36 | sakoman | woglinde: commenting out the do_stage does result in a successful build with 1.2.11 |
| 19:02.11 | sakoman | don't know if the image build will succeed now, but I will try that next |
| 19:03.46 | scant | pH5: http://pastebin.ca/1051282 |
| 19:03.59 | scant | maybe mwester knows what's going on.... |
| 19:05.59 | woglinde | sakoman try to look if the stuff ends up in staging |
| 19:06.02 | woglinde | I bet no |
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| 19:08.19 | cyrus__ | RP: any idea how to build your kernel for the hx2750 |
| 19:09.59 | Crofton|work | /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr is not 0. This will cause problems with qemu so please fix the value (as root). |
| 19:10.03 | Crofton|work | how do I fix this? |
| 19:10.41 | pH5 | scant: the $(call INSTPROG...) in src/Makefile calls INSTPROG, which seems to be defined in autoconf/targets.mak |
| 19:10.56 | sakoman | Crofton: you can reset it per session by writing a 0 to the proc file |
| 19:11.24 | woglinde | crofton echo 0 > ? |
| 19:11.24 | pH5 | what happens when you remove the $(STRIP) from that line in targets.mak: |
| 19:11.24 | pH5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.25 | woglinde | tror |
| 19:11.35 | sakoman | Or forever by editing a file in /etc (forget which one :-) |
| 19:14.24 | Crofton|work | woglinde, thanks |
| 19:14.37 | Crofton|work | sudo echo didn't work, had to su first |
| 19:14.43 | woglinde | crofton *g* |
| 19:14.49 | woglinde | I should have tell you |
| 19:16.08 | cyrilRomain | Crofton|work: to change it forever, add 'vm.mmap_min_addr = 0' in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:18.39 | sakoman | cyrilRomain: that's the file I was talking about :-) |
| 19:19.04 | cyrilRomain | sakoman: yep :) |
| 19:19.31 | sakoman | Had to do that last week on my Ubuntu 8.0.4 machine |
| 19:20.34 | Crofton|work | sakoman, really clean build ofr beagle is going |
| 19:20.44 | Crofton|work | it will be while |
| 19:20.52 | scant | pH5: made the patch, trying it now |
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| 19:22.24 | sakoman | Crofton: I really like oe build stats for monitoring my build machines |
| 19:22.47 | sakoman | hate seeing those red bars on failed packages though |
| 19:22.54 | Crofton|work | yeah |
| 19:23.06 | Crofton|work | it is handy for seeing what fails for different p[eople |
| 19:26.47 | scant | pH5: well after removing that line, all is well, but i have yet to install the package |
| 19:27.29 | scant | one i question i have for both mwester and pH5 is, is that the best solution given what I have (i think ther eare better solutions, but they aren't as attainable) |
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| 19:38.02 | hrw|gone | XorA|gone: ? |
| 19:39.26 | mwester | scant: http://pastebin.ca/1051357 |
| 19:40.10 | mwester | uh-oh... hrw|gone is in trouble! ;-) |
| 19:41.47 | pH5 | hrw|gone: somebody on #openmoko whined about your last blog post :) |
| 19:41.58 | scant | mwester: I made 2 new posts to the nslu2-linux mailing list group, i'm assuming your solution is better than pH5's |
| 19:42.08 | hrw | pH5: and did not even commented |
| 19:42.41 | hrw | XorA|gone: sorry for your missing comment - there is a bug somewhere in wpmu |
| 19:43.10 | pH5 | scant: yeah, it sure is |
| 19:43.30 | scant | mwester: i'm seeing if it works now, thanks |
| 19:44.00 | kgilmer | hrw: what's the url to your blog? |
| 19:44.31 | woglinde | kgilmer you could look at planet.linuxtogo.org |
| 19:44.40 | hrw | kgilmer: http://blog.haerwu.biz/ |
| 19:45.02 | kgilmer | oh wow...thanks for link woglinde :) |
| 19:45.16 | hrw | XorA|gone: added your comment |
| 19:45.25 | kgilmer | thx hrw |
| 19:46.47 | scant | pH5: mwester's bb file works, thanks both of you for your help |
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| 19:49.30 | flo_lap | re |
| 19:49.47 | hrw | ~logs |
| 19:49.48 | ibot | somebody said logs was apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 19:50.08 | woglinde | re flo |
| 19:50.46 | hrw | pH5: those whining was today? |
| 19:51.13 | hrw | !logs |
| 19:51.13 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #oe are archived at: |
| 19:51.14 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23oe |
| 19:51.15 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 19:51.16 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23oe.livelog |
| 19:51.18 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 19:51.48 | hrw | I see |
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| 19:52.32 | pH5 | heh, maybe whining is a bit exaggerated. today about two hours ago on #openmoko |
| 19:52.43 | mwester | :D Are you suitably chastened, hrw? |
| 19:53.39 | mwester | I think it quite funny how a little bit of honest critisizm is taken so poorly by some who read that blog -- I thought it was an accurate portrayal of the situation. |
| 19:55.34 | hrw | mwester: openmoko users expect something working but glorify platform. I expect something working. |
| 19:55.52 | hrw | thats two other types of expecting |
| 19:58.36 | pH5 | And I don't expect anything, I'm planning to be positively surprised one day when something works. |
| 20:02.05 | XorA|gone | hrw: I actually thought I got the answer wrong ;-) |
| 20:02.42 | hrw | ? |
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| 20:03.27 | XorA|gone | hrw: the maths question |
| 20:03.36 | cyrilRomain | wonders why openmoko devs didn't do agile development (at least is looks as if), so that something would be working for long time, even without appealing GUI |
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| 20:04.44 | hrw | XorA|gone: ah ;) |
| 20:05.15 | hrw | XorA|gone: the fun is that I got email about comment but no comment in system |
| 20:05.35 | XorA|gone | hrw: Im bad at arithmetic |
| 20:05.45 | hrw | use bc? |
| 20:06.05 | XorA|gone | heh, teach me to try and answer it too fast :-) |
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| 20:38.03 | hrw | XorA|gone: you can register and then comment as logged user - no aritmethics then |
| 20:38.28 | hrw | hm.. doc|work is online still... /me -> #openmoko |
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| 21:01.35 | hrw | -> sleep |
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| 21:33.03 | tharvey | still trying to wrap my head around the external toolchain support in OE: meta-toolchain does nicely at building a toolchain that can be used externally, now I'm trying to understand how to tell OE to use 'that' toolchain instead of re-building its own every time |
| 21:34.06 | tharvey | I think thats what the external-toolchain recipe is for... just not sure how I would use it |
| 21:35.25 | tharvey | would one do in order: bitbake meta-toolchain; bitbake external-toolchain; bitbake base-image? |
| 21:40.08 | XorA|gone | tharvey: you need to make external-toolchain the preffered provider for the services it provides at the top |
| 21:44.48 | tharvey | ahhhh.... ok, that makes some sense |
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| 21:48.07 | tharvey | although I'm still not sure I understand the syntax exactly for doing that... is there an example conf? |
| 21:48.34 | XorA|gone | I dont know never acutally used it |
| 21:49.22 | tharvey | so for example I see that external-toolchain PROVIDES = "linux-libc-headers virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc "... those are the 'services' provided correct? |
| 21:49.25 | XorA|gone | PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += "linux-libc-headers:meta-toolchain virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc:meta-toolchain" I assume |
| 21:50.33 | XorA|gone | I meant external-toolchain in the above |
| 21:50.41 | XorA|gone | is in stupid land |
| 21:50.43 | tharvey | I don't understand the :external-toolchain syntax |
| 21:50.55 | XorA|gone | same thing, less typing |
| 21:51.15 | XorA|gone | what you need provided:what provides it |
| 21:51.35 | tharvey | tells bb specifically what recipe provides it? |
| 21:51.39 | XorA|gone | yes |
| 21:52.34 | tharvey | ok, thx - let me think about that a bit |
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| 23:26.46 | Crofton|work | what's the problem getting fakeroot-19.4? |
| 23:35.46 | Crofton | ah finally found a copy |
| 23:38.15 | mwester | Crofton: Do we need to upgrade that recipe? |
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| 23:42.14 | Crofton | not sure, seems like a number of debian mirrors do not have the file |
| 23:42.24 | Crofton | lots of file not founds, until I found one |
| 23:42.52 | Crofton | most people won't notice, only new installs |
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