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| 08:34.45 | ScaredyCat | XorA: ping |
| 08:34.53 | XorA | ScaredyCat: gnop |
| 08:35.18 | ScaredyCat | does the git cock up extent to the qtopia stuff too? |
| 08:35.23 | ScaredyCat | extend |
| 08:35.54 | XorA | ScaredyCat: it seems to extend to anything git :-( and doesnt even seem to be OM specific, so maybe its a bug in git fetcher |
| 08:36.08 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 08:36.31 | XorA | but yeah OM qtopia repo also had the OOM problem that the kernel one did |
| 08:36.38 | ScaredyCat | and what's with all the 403's |
| 08:36.57 | XorA | still got CVS_TARBALL_STASH commented out? |
| 08:37.35 | ScaredyCat | checks |
| 08:38.19 | ScaredyCat | sighs |
| 08:38.42 | ScaredyCat | ~blame random-people |
| 08:38.43 | ibot | ACTION blames random-people (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 09:01.36 | CIA-21 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0283c5ac... 10/ (9 files in 3 dirs): xserver-kdrive: add 1.4.0.90 |
| 09:01.40 | CIA-21 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1023754a... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2008-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom 2008: prefer kdrive 1.4.0.90 |
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| 09:28.37 | ScaredyCat | XorA: how can I force a git checkout and rebuild of a tarball ? |
| 09:29.32 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I know not |
| 09:29.47 | ScaredyCat | hrmrm.. |
| 09:29.51 | XorA | RP & mickeyl are the experts I think |
| 09:29.54 | ScaredyCat | seems stupid... |
| 09:30.09 | XorA | s/git/stupid/ :-D |
| 09:30.10 | ScaredyCat | it can't find the tarball (because it doesn't exist) |
| 09:30.33 | ScaredyCat | but shouldn't it build the tarball if it doesn't exist? |
| 09:30.44 | ScaredyCat | sighs |
| 09:31.53 | ScaredyCat | nudges mickey|zzZZzz && RP |
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| 09:37.05 | zecke | man irc |
| 09:37.28 | zecke | :) |
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| 09:49.29 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:57.19 | cedric_ | koen: http://pastebin.com/m2857fc45 |
| 09:58.29 | ScaredyCat | XorA: change the PR |
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| 10:29.45 | hrw | morning |
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| 10:37.06 | CIA-21 | xserver-kdrive: add 1.5rc (1.4.99.901). WIP, Disabled by default: |
| 10:37.06 | CIA-21 | patch status: |
| 10:37.06 | CIA-21 | * enable-tslib: patch updated |
| 10:37.06 | CIA-21 | * enable-xscalibrate: is upstream |
| 10:37.07 | CIA-21 | * xcalibrate-coords: doesn't maybe, maybe it's already upstream |
| 10:37.09 | CIA-21 | * root-ppm patch: doesn't apply, needs updating |
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| 11:41.25 | hrw | uf. one mailinglist less to read |
| 11:41.31 | hrw | openmoko-abusers this time |
| 11:42.30 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: you mean community? :) |
| 11:43.14 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: what I wrote? |
| 11:47.58 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: abusers |
| 11:48.08 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: So yeah, abusers == community here ;) |
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| 11:51.52 | florian | hi zecke |
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| 11:54.38 | XorA | whats going on, I dont read abusers ;-) |
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| 11:56.01 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: You would just need a steve filter ;) |
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| 11:58.52 | XorA | mv ste* /dev/null :-) |
| 12:03.17 | ScaredyCat | zecke: there are a couple of issues with qtopia-phone-x11 ... it appears that the TARGET-DEVICE isn't picked up correctly, and assassin ( task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 ) needs to be temporarily removed until thos completes his api changes for thepackagekit stuff |
| 12:06.08 | zecke | ScaredyCat: or lock opkg to a version without the API change? ;) |
| 12:06.40 | ScaredyCat | aye that too :) |
| 12:07.55 | zecke | hehe, but my USB disk emulates a dead disk :) |
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| 13:36.11 | hrw|gone | http://o-hand.com/jobs/ - OH is hiring |
| 13:36.58 | hrw | re |
| 13:37.43 | XorA | hrw: filling up the office then? |
| 13:37.56 | XorA | notices all jobs are listed as in office |
| 13:39.08 | hrw | ;) |
| 13:39.24 | XorA | bit of a long commute :-( |
| 13:39.25 | hrw | XorA: now you understand why my moving to London was so pure fun |
| 13:39.33 | Jin^eLD | heh |
| 13:39.42 | Jin^eLD | the OE position is interesting, but moving.... grml |
| 13:39.55 | XorA | hrw: worse thing is I didnt see your blog until the day you revealed all, so I was extra confused |
| 13:45.27 | Crofton | maybe .pl office :) |
| 13:45.40 | ScaredyCat | giggles... |
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| 13:45.48 | ScaredyCat | saw hand jobs |
| 13:46.19 | Crofton | The o-hand London office is near where my mother grew up |
| 13:46.26 | Crofton | is not certain that is a good thing |
| 13:46.58 | hrw | Crofton: I prefer to be self employment |
| 13:47.15 | hrw | taxes thing |
| 13:47.18 | Crofton | me too |
| 13:47.21 | Crofton | boss thing |
| 13:47.46 | zecke | Crofton: your family is scattered all over europe? and you have a lovely cat :) |
| 13:48.01 | hrw | Crofton: mallum is not bad boss |
| 13:48.43 | Crofton | zecke, all over the world |
| 13:49.03 | Crofton | close family in England and Australia |
| 13:49.36 | zecke | Crofton: well, you have to extend the outreach? apply at google for the moonbase? |
| 13:49.41 | mwester | Good Morning |
| 13:49.51 | chouimat|work | now knows that 500km away from his mother is not enought since his sister, who live 200km away has a baby |
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| 14:14.40 | XorA | watches mickey|bbiab open the can of worms on distro-devel |
| 14:15.23 | Crofton | XorA, ? |
| 14:19.26 | RP | helps open the can :/ |
| 14:19.57 | CM | just looks into it |
| 14:20.01 | Crofton | wonders where the can is |
| 14:20.08 | CM | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/distro-devel/2008-April/000347.html |
| 14:20.54 | Crofton | ah |
| 14:21.02 | Crofton | I'm not on that list |
| 14:21.30 | ScaredyCat | who the hell thinks using qemu is how to compile stuff....roflmao |
| 14:22.57 | XorA | using qemu is fine as long as you not on fedora, or ppc or spark or....... |
| 14:23.05 | Crofton | debian people .. |
| 14:23.27 | ScaredyCat | and why is cross compiling wrong... wtf is going on... |
| 14:23.46 | Crofton | ScaredyCat, some people have strange ideas |
| 14:24.15 | XorA | anyway time for me to off, I shall laugh tomorrow when this thread explodes into flames |
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| 14:26.26 | hrw | XorA|gone: ;) |
| 14:27.44 | hrw | the funny thing is that Poky SDK *is* expandable in a way which one of om devels do on redhat |
| 14:28.42 | mwester | I thought mickey|bbiab was rather restrained in his responses on that thread, but I do think the potential is as XorA|gone suggests... |
| 14:29.05 | mwester | I think I shall stay away from it altogether, and focus on fixing bugs instead ;) |
| 14:30.37 | CM | RP: Like the last sentence in your mail.. Just adding a little fuel are we? ;) |
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| 14:34.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4181 has been created by pieterg(AT)gmx.com |
| 14:34.07 | cdbot2 | * * PATCH building xserver-kdrive-1.4.0.90 without XKB defined |
| 14:34.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4181 |
| 14:34.38 | broonie | notes that most of the DDs he knows doing embedded work use OE. |
| 14:35.12 | hrw | broonie: OLPC guys used OE |
| 14:38.28 | Crofton | if only the people bitching would put time and effort into working on SDK solutions ... |
| 14:38.48 | ScaredyCat | "I also want to add a personal observation about Openmoko. From my |
| 14:38.48 | ScaredyCat | perspective there have been a lot of sharp changes in direction, often |
| 14:38.48 | ScaredyCat | due to people's personal views on things and I think this lack of |
| 14:38.48 | ScaredyCat | dedication to decisions has cost the project badly already." - Amen! |
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| 14:53.00 | RP | CM: The one about Poky? |
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| 15:24.49 | CM | RP: Yes :) |
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| 15:35.01 | ScaredyCat | http://ftp.5z.com/pub/gob/gob2-2.0.14.tar.gz no longer exists for gob2 .. 2.0.15 is the only version there |
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| 15:36.38 | broonie | Yeah, he archives the old releases pretty soon after he makes a new one. |
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| 16:32.13 | hrw | bye |
| 16:32.18 | mickeyl | cu hrw |
| 16:33.45 | hrw|gone | beware my "How to use Poky SDK to build apps" post! |
| 16:33.59 | hrw|gone | ~curse openmoko devs |
| 16:34.00 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, openmoko devs ! |
| 16:34.00 | hrw|gone | ;D |
| 16:36.07 | mickeyl | heh |
| 16:36.21 | mickeyl | ~curse openmoko, inc. devs, that is |
| 16:36.22 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, openmoko, inc. devs, that is ! |
| 16:36.22 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 16:36.42 | mickeyl | wonders how much longer he can stand all these tiny fighting areas |
| 16:41.20 | CIA-21 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rad52fedc... 10/ (12 files in 3 dirs): linux-omap2 git: add beagle patches and move to 2.6.25rc9 |
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| 16:56.37 | svolpe | is there a build-essential equivalent package in OE? I want to build the standard dev tools for a target system and then install them on the target system. |
| 17:07.19 | mwester | "The neighbours potatoes"... never heard it phrased that way before, but that's good. |
| 17:09.17 | mickeyl | ya, love it |
| 17:11.40 | ScaredyCat | stares blankly into the channel |
| 17:20.33 | CIA-21 | 03jeremy_laine 07org.oe.dev * r0964506a... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): linux_2.6.24.bb: build yenta-socket module for mpc8313e-rdb |
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| 17:21.46 | ScaredyCat | seems to me that there's a lot of discussion about things that should have been sorted out a long long time ago. This seems to keep happening it's like noone is prepared to make the decision and stick with it... |
| 17:22.42 | ScaredyCat | nearly 12 months down the line from the release of the gta01 and it looks like yet another change (build system or underlying system).. |
| 17:23.04 | ScaredyCat | it's a waste of time. No wonder noone is doing any real apps.. why should they... |
| 17:23.25 | ScaredyCat | om will probably move to windows ce next month... |
| 17:23.43 | ScaredyCat | and then symbian the month after... |
| 17:23.54 | ScaredyCat | (all imho of course) |
| 17:24.50 | Crofton | mickeyl, there are people that like to cause arguments, don't let the bastards get you down |
| 17:26.33 | mickeyl | Crofton: righto. usually i'm solid as a rock, but that constant nagging gets really annoying when it passes a certain threshold |
| 17:27.35 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: i think the problem is every once and then new people come into the play with the attitude of "everything you did until know was crap. now i'm on board and we need to do it my way" |
| 17:27.44 | mickeyl | s/know/now/ |
| 17:27.46 | Crofton | heh |
| 17:27.53 | Crofton | that is normal human behavior |
| 17:28.03 | mickeyl | is it? |
| 17:28.07 | mickeyl | hell i'm glad i'm not normal |
| 17:28.08 | mickeyl | :D |
| 17:28.17 | Crofton | my ex-research group is going through that pahse atm |
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| 17:28.39 | Crofton | mickeyl, if we were normal, we'd be doing something else |
| 17:28.49 | mickeyl | hahaha |
| 17:28.54 | mickeyl | now that is oh-so-true |
| 17:28.58 | Crofton | windows dev's or asking people if they want fries with that |
| 17:29.02 | mickeyl | :D |
| 17:29.34 | ScaredyCat | it just seems to waste so much time... |
| 17:29.53 | ScaredyCat | and nothing moves forward while everyone gets worried about if they are just wasting their time... |
| 17:30.34 | ScaredyCat | so they stop doing stuff... wait.. nothing or little changes ... they start again... then the next pile of donkey poo turns up... |
| 17:30.38 | ScaredyCat | sighs |
| 17:31.07 | mickeyl | don't worry. the movement will continue. what we are doing with the "moko underground" stuff will succeed eventually. no matther whether om inc. will support that or not. if they support it, it will be done faster, that's the only difference |
| 17:31.43 | ScaredyCat | yeah, that seems to work quite well.. |
| 17:32.06 | Crofton | I wish we could harness the bitching energy to creating really good SDK's from OE |
| 17:32.14 | ScaredyCat | the thing is.. for an open company... they're being quite closed. |
| 17:32.44 | ScaredyCat | there's been no announcemnt about what's going on with qtopia, elf etc... |
| 17:32.50 | Crofton | btw RP++ for engaing the libtool people |
| 17:32.52 | summatusmentis | how difficult would it be to build an SDK for OE? |
| 17:33.01 | ScaredyCat | there is one |
| 17:33.04 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: I agree |
| 17:33.04 | Crofton | SDK with OE :) |
| 17:33.10 | Jin^eLD | what's a definition of an SDK? ;> |
| 17:33.15 | Jin^eLD | just meta-toolchain or more stuff? |
| 17:33.22 | Crofton | software development kit |
| 17:33.24 | ScaredyCat | the toolchain |
| 17:33.33 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl did it iirc :) |
| 17:33.35 | Crofton | and be able to extend toolchain with dev packages |
| 17:33.40 | summatusmentis | scant: oh :) |
| 17:33.48 | summatusmentis | not scant, ScaredyCat |
| 17:33.53 | Crofton | basically, to the point where the guys that want to dev shut up :) |
| 17:33.56 | Jin^eLD | Crofton: I know the abbreviation ;) |
| 17:34.00 | Crofton | or find something else to bitch about |
| 17:34.14 | Jin^eLD | I meant - is it just the crosscompiler + libs as produced by meta-toolchain, or is there more stuff to it |
| 17:34.17 | Crofton | wasn't sure if we were having native speaker issues |
| 17:34.28 | Crofton | Jin^eLD, packages needed for run time |
| 17:34.31 | ScaredyCat | breaks all the rules anyway.. |
| 17:34.32 | Crofton | x libs |
| 17:34.35 | Crofton | etc |
| 17:34.46 | ScaredyCat | uses oe to build and develop with... |
| 17:34.50 | Crofton | assume the target has a know set of libs |
| 17:34.55 | ScaredyCat | dances around |
| 17:35.03 | Jin^eLD | well isn't that all already being produced by OE? |
| 17:35.14 | Jin^eLD | the only thing that is still shaky is the meta-toolchain itself, but otherwise... |
| 17:35.19 | Jin^eLD | it's all there, no? |
| 17:35.32 | ScaredyCat | i don;t know if it builds anymore |
| 17:35.53 | Jin^eLD | ScaredyCat: in stable it does, in .dev it gets broken all the time |
| 17:36.12 | ScaredyCat | hmmm... |
| 17:36.16 | Jin^eLD | btw there is one weird issue with it in both branches, can be worked around easily but hard to track down |
| 17:36.36 | Jin^eLD | I submitted a PR for it... username/permissions stuff |
| 17:36.41 | Jin^eLD | really weird crap |
| 17:40.17 | ScaredyCat | Jin^eLD: fails miserably here |
| 17:40.39 | ScaredyCat | binutils barfs |
| 17:41.30 | Jin^eLD | ScaredyCat: what are you building? I was using ansgstrom 2007, oe stable branch |
| 17:41.33 | Jin^eLD | for arm9 |
| 17:42.35 | ScaredyCat | this is the om branch |
| 17:42.51 | ScaredyCat | meta-toolchain-openmoko |
| 17:43.38 | Jin^eLD | can't say anything about that, never tried it |
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| 17:51.24 | Crofton | is viewmtn brkoen? |
| 17:54.12 | Jin^eLD | Crofton: you mean this? http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev - that works |
| 18:10.52 | CIA-21 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf2ba3663... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): linux omap2 git: update beagleboard sd patch |
| 18:10.52 | Crofton | hmm, I went a different way |
| 18:13.25 | Crofton | Jin^eLD, thats not up to date ...... |
| 18:14.39 | Jin^eLD | oh hmm |
| 18:16.54 | Crofton | http://amethyst.openembedded.net/oe/viewmtn/viewmtn.py/revision/browse/ad52fedc3842762d7f68017f93f02cf2b16a33fb |
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| 18:20.27 | Jin^eLD | Crofton: this works here... |
| 18:20.31 | Jin^eLD | if that was the questin :> |
| 18:20.36 | Jin^eLD | s/questin/question/ |
| 18:21.00 | Crofton | click on packages :) |
| 18:25.33 | Jin^eLD | I tried "files" and that worked, let me try packages.. |
| 18:25.43 | Jin^eLD | uuh..indeed :> |
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| 22:23.29 | XorA|gone | reads email and cries blood |
| 22:26.26 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: distro-devel? |
| 22:26.30 | mickeyl | or something completely unrelated? |
| 22:26.32 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: yeah |
| 22:26.41 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 22:27.15 | mickeyl | imagine what i have been doing here |
| 22:28.27 | XorA|gone | luckilly its too late for me to get riled up |
| 22:30.01 | mickeyl | wise move |
| 22:30.06 | mickeyl | or sheer luck ;) |
| 22:30.45 | mickeyl | my level of participation ended. i said all i had to say. now it's your turn ;) |
| 22:31.08 | XorA|gone | I was gming WFRP so my violence is sated attacking my players with chaos worshippers |
| 22:31.18 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:31.37 | XorA|gone | I shall look tomorrow and summerise some of the FUD, I think I sucessfully shot down the .ipk fud :-) |
| 22:31.45 | mickeyl | yea |
| 22:32.03 | mickeyl | perhaps after a day sleeping he understands the difference between app developing and distro building |
| 22:32.04 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 22:32.27 | XorA|gone | loses heart with OM everyday |
| 22:33.05 | mickeyl | don't give up until the powers decide |
| 22:33.11 | mickeyl | all is chit chat until know |
| 22:33.14 | mickeyl | s/know/now/ |
| 22:34.04 | XorA|gone | heh |
| 22:37.10 | XorA|gone | gets the heavy weight champions belt polished for RP |
| 22:37.27 | thesing | Hi everybody. What are you two talking about? |
| 22:37.42 | XorA|gone | thesing: read openmoko distro-devel mailing list |
| 22:37.56 | thesing | what topic? |
| 22:38.12 | XorA|gone | Openmoko build infrastructure questions |
| 22:38.20 | XorA|gone | or the topic that just filled the list :-D |
| 22:38.54 | mickeyl | for the records... it wasn't my choice to bring this topic up now, i have been forced to |
| 22:39.13 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: no probs, this has been rumbling around for ages |
| 22:39.22 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 22:52.32 | flo_lap | mickeyl: hey, it looks like I mised a funny mailinglist ;) |
| 22:52.58 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 22:53.09 | Crofton | it would be funny if they weren't serious |
| 22:53.09 | mickeyl | if you don't suffer from high blood pressure already, feel free to read |
| 22:53.37 | mickeyl | i need to see a doctor to give him a chance to deny some mailing lists to me ;) |
| 22:53.49 | Crofton | I'll call my sister |
| 22:53.58 | mickeyl | isn't she a lawyer? |
| 22:54.04 | flo_lap | hehe |
| 22:54.07 | Crofton | another sister |
| 22:54.10 | mickeyl | aah |
| 22:54.14 | mickeyl | not the one we googled ;) |
| 22:54.20 | flo_lap | mickeyl: ok... I take that back... after reading a few lines |
| 22:54.29 | mickeyl | anyways, i need to watch some hours tv to be able to sleep after that day |
| 22:54.31 | mickeyl | g'night guys |
| 22:54.35 | mickeyl | flo_lap: *nod* |
| 22:54.37 | Crofton | is from a family of over-achievers |
| 22:54.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:54.46 | mickeyl | join the crowd ;) |
| 22:54.56 | flo_lap | mickeyl: feel lucky... I still have some work to do |
| 22:55.00 | flo_lap | mickey|zzZZzz: good night |
| 22:55.03 | Crofton | http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/Dr-Nicolette-Naso-MD-53367205.cfm |
| 22:55.05 | Crofton | gn |
| 22:55.43 | Crofton | bother, no one has rated her |
| 22:56.38 | Crofton | whats the list address again? |
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| 23:06.15 | mwester | For the record, I wasn't involved in the mailing list fracas today! :p |
| 23:09.35 | flo_lap | Crofton: openmoko distro-devel |
| 23:12.47 | Crofton | yeah, people are confused |
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| 23:13.07 | Crofton | they completely fail to understand how to build sane images for embedded systems |
| 23:13.40 | Crofton | walk through the Fedora Core/ Fedora Extras process :) |
| 23:13.48 | Crofton | and how they combined them |
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| 23:14.38 | Crofton | imagine Openmoko (built from OE) and OpenMoko Extras, built with someone's idea of a tool chain |
| 23:16.33 | flo_lap | hehe |
| 23:17.40 | flo_lap | For some reasons people seem to like insane ideas... |
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| 23:20.04 | thesing | It seems to me that it's always only one guy who keeps such discussions running. |
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| 23:27.12 | flo_lap | usually... yes |
| 23:28.57 | CIA-21 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r94558013... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-omap2: enable usb for beagleboard |
| 23:30.56 | Crofton | zecke is a saint |
| 23:33.24 | Crofton | http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/events/475 |
| 23:35.07 | Crofton | apparently no one working on apps for openmoko paid attention to this talk |