| 00:04.41 | mwester | curses whoever implemented the switch to opkg in such a fashion that it crept into other distros just enough to render them badly broken with no obvious place to look to correct the situation. |
| 00:06.01 | mwester | Is this something where the implementation details were discussed on the angstrom list, rather than on the OE list? (The OE discussion had zero technical detail, and certainly didn't describe how one "enabled" ipkg vs opkg, or reverted, or anything other than rousing cheers for how &(*&(*% wonderful this would all be. |
| 00:06.06 | mwester | ) |
| 00:07.37 | mwester | goes to build an LE image, in hopes that maybe this is the big-endian problem mentioned on the list... |
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| 02:38.26 | microlith | question: I'm targeting the motorola a1200, and trying to complete a bitbake of the helloworld-image package, but it's failing when it hits do_rootfs with the error "RuntimeError: dictionary size changed during iteration" |
| 02:39.06 | microlith | anyone know what might cause that? |
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| 02:44.06 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4114 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder> |
| 02:44.08 | cdbot2 | * * gettext-0.14.1-autobuild |
| 02:44.10 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4114 |
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| 04:21.39 | mwester | Good God! OE is now totally and utterly dependent on opkg -- there is no means to build anything with ipkg anymore!! |
| 04:21.58 | mwester | OE has become like Microsoft. |
| 04:22.18 | mwester | THOU SHALT LIKE VISTA! AND THOU SHALT LOVE OPKG TOO! |
| 04:22.23 | wicknix | i have no problem using ipkg |
| 04:22.42 | wicknix | and grab my OE.mtn 2 weeks ago |
| 04:24.04 | mwester | Seems to be a recent change. Check the classes -- you'll find that dependencies hardcoded are now on "opkg" - for example feeds are hardcoded to be created in /etc/opkg instead of /etc/ipkg. And that's the easy simple part. |
| 04:25.00 | mwester | So apparently each distro must, by decree, include some sort of compatability package(s) -- regardless of whether they want them or not. Or they just don't have feeds that work, that's the choice. |
| 04:25.16 | wicknix | hmm. i dont see that in my rootfs. just ipkg. |
| 04:25.42 | wicknix | and my feed works fine |
| 04:26.05 | mwester | It sure would have been nice if someone discussed this a bit, or made it optional, or at least offered documentation on how much freakin' flash this will eat up and how to modify the distro to make it all work again. |
| 04:26.14 | wicknix | heck opkg isnt even built |
| 04:26.46 | wicknix | of course im using my own distro and machine configs |
| 04:26.48 | mwester | yeah, looks like you synced before this happened. Don't sync, at least until you know your distro has been patched up to work. |
| 04:26.51 | wicknix | which might be the reason |
| 04:27.05 | mwester | I do too, that's why this is so annoying. |
| 04:28.11 | mwester | My distro just changed so that it's rather less than useful, and I did nothing to ask for such a major change to occur, and it seems there's no docs on how to set it right. |
| 04:28.50 | wicknix | well either this happened less than 2 weeks ago when i pulled my updates, or you have overlooked something in local.conf or machine and distro configs. |
| 04:29.18 | mwester | Yes, that's what I'm trying to say to you -- this has happened in the past days. |
| 04:29.34 | mwester | So don't sync up unless you too wish to enjoy patching up your distro! |
| 04:29.46 | wicknix | so grab an older OE.mtn from last week. easy fix if thats the case |
| 04:30.12 | mwester | No, not quite. |
| 04:30.32 | mwester | That'll get me to the way it was last week. Ok, now what? Fork the repository? |
| 04:32.03 | wicknix | i dunno. i'm just a user. heh. so long as mine works for my development i guess i cant complain. |
| 04:32.08 | mwester | It's not like there's a "PREFERRED_VERSION" or anything that you can set for this change! (that's certainly how it should have been done, though) |
| 04:32.36 | wicknix | wouldnt INHERIT = "package_ipk" work? |
| 04:33.20 | wicknix | i have that in my distro config |
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| 04:40.01 | mwester | wicknix: opkg is hard-coded into the various classes; it's not brought in via "inherit". If you use use the OE classes, you are now suddenly forced to use opkg. There's no way around it. |
| 04:41.08 | wicknix | guess i wont update then until i know more about this. |
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| 05:23.08 | xjqia1 | mwester: you can use opkg-ipkg-compat.bb |
| 05:23.43 | xjqian | for the time being |
| 05:25.12 | mwester | xjqian: fails |
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| 05:28.07 | xjqian | mwester: fails because it only helps the user but not solving the problem for the distro maintainer ? |
| 05:28.46 | mwester | immediately: it fails because the build dies on do_rootfs. |
| 05:29.05 | mwester | probable next failure: insufficient space on the flash. |
| 05:29.18 | mwester | long-term: not clear that it does help the user |
| 05:35.40 | xjqian | mwester: indeed, this is just a stop gap solution to make opkg ipkg coexist |
| 05:37.00 | xjqian | mwester: i think have a choice is a good thing |
| 05:37.38 | xjqian | mwester: you may want to convince koen to make opkg/ipkg a user controllable variable |
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| 05:51.08 | mwester | Well, that's one solution. The other is to revert the opkg changes until someone comes up with a solution that doesn't obsolete two distros. |
| 05:51.45 | mwester | But I'll wait for a response from the mailing list, I guess. |
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| 06:11.43 | mwester | opkg-ipkg-compat.bb is totally broken. I can't even figure out what the last sym link it creates is really supposed to be or do. |
| 06:12.12 | mwester | What it tries to do is create a circular link, which is pretty non-useful. |
| 06:12.31 | mwester | The others just create opkg stuff that links off to nowhere. |
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| 06:13.32 | mwester | Ah, ok. Got it. |
| 06:14.57 | mwester | The ipkg-ipkg-compat stuff is broken because it tries to link to stuff that doesn't exist anymore, because the other changes in the classes removed the code that creates those things to which it points. In other words, the compat package is solving some other problem, but it doesn't let you use ipkg anymore either. |
| 06:15.38 | mwester | It's 1AM, I'm done for the day. +1 to revert the opkg stuff, let's try again and do it right. This sucks. |
| 06:18.54 | steliosk | morning all |
| 06:19.22 | steliosk | things we should rename .dev to .experimental |
| 06:21.11 | steliosk | mwster : just read you email. your reasoning is right but i believe the problem is the fact that people just "dump" infrastructure changes to .dev and pray for the best |
| 06:22.22 | steliosk | mwester : i don't know the reason no one does it but these kind of changes should have been in a branch, tested and then merged to .dev |
| 06:22.51 | steliosk | and "mtn sucks" is not an answer |
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| 09:55.41 | keesj | hi |
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| 11:28.10 | LakeSolon | "This is not a distro support channel" - heh, drat =) |
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| 12:09.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4115 has been created by <OE-Autobuilder> |
| 12:09.06 | cdbot2 | * * linux-rp-2.6.24-autobuild |
| 12:09.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4115 |
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| 12:31.44 | CIA-39 | 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * rc378f146... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: bump to r13 |
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| 12:57.09 | Miosc | hi all |
| 12:57.35 | Miosc | i want to ask if OE can be used to deploy a crosscompiling toolchain on my system |
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| 13:12.07 | XorA | Miosc: yes |
| 13:12.18 | BabelO | hi, just a quick post to tell you that initramfs-bootmenu-image, does not build with parallele build |
| 13:12.29 | XorA | BabelO: file bug please |
| 13:12.39 | XorA | BabelO: I cant fix it now and I forget by morning |
| 13:12.51 | Miosc | XorA: how do i do it, in getting started there seems to be no mention about it |
| 13:13.09 | BabelO | XorA: ok |
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| 13:15.50 | XorA | Miosc: I cant remeber offhand |
| 13:16.07 | XorA | Miosc: but we can certainly do it as openmoko distribute an SDK that way |
| 13:16.49 | XorA | anyway I am off to watch some tv |
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| 14:38.29 | Miosc | is there any howto on how to build a minimal OE ? |
| 14:38.57 | Miosc | i selected "angstrom-2008.1" as distro in my profile then just tried bitbake nano |
| 14:39.08 | Miosc | but it seems to build ~500 packages |
| 14:39.33 | Miosc | what i need is a very minimal kernel+busybox+sdl environment |
| 14:39.45 | Miosc | can anyone help? |
| 14:40.12 | Miosc | with gcc/g++ dev tool |
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| 14:47.57 | XorA|gone | Miosc: bitbake minimal-image |
| 14:48.22 | Miosc | XorA|gone: thanks :D |
| 14:48.40 | XorA|gone | Miosc: console-image is a bit bigger with a few more utils |
| 14:49.53 | Miosc | ok thanks |
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| 14:58.40 | Miosc | XorA|gone: minimal seems to be getting even more packages ~890 :( any ideas how to push it down to ~100 or less? |
| 14:59.19 | XorA|gone | Miosc: packages built != packages installed |
| 14:59.35 | Miosc | ah i see |
| 15:01.00 | XorA|gone | and some of the stuff built is the cross toolchain |
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| 17:16.45 | CIA-39 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r64705d4f... 10/ (1 classes/autotools.bbclass): |
| 17:16.45 | CIA-39 | autotools.bbclass: enable installing .pc files on demand |
| 17:16.45 | CIA-39 | (see file for lenghty explanation) |
| 17:16.49 | CIA-39 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb65e0f80... 10/ (1 classes/efl.bbclass): efl.bbclass: use autotools to install .pc files |
| 17:16.54 | CIA-39 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r0d93ec84... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:16.54 | CIA-39 | revert EFL SRCDATE back to 20080129. Some time after that, the E folks |
| 17:16.55 | CIA-39 | broke module detection (at least) in ecore configure.in |
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| 18:13.37 | CIA-39 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4f10bd2a... 10/ (1 classes/efl.bbclass): |
| 18:13.37 | CIA-39 | efl.bbclass: bump PE to unbreak builds and feeds |
| 18:13.37 | CIA-39 | * please don't make PV go backwards without bumping PE |
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| 18:38.23 | lumag | Hi, all! |
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| 18:53.54 | scant | can anyone here help me with a bitbake autoconf error i have with apcupsd, the log says: FATAL: oe_runconf |
| 18:55.21 | scant | i've been trying to figure out it forever, but i don't know how to fix it properly |
| 19:04.47 | BabelO | XorA|gone: it is more generic that what i think, BB_NUMBER_THREADS hand randomly on console-image also |
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| 20:36.31 | scant | hi |
| 20:37.15 | scant | i'm having issues with a user-created apcupsd_3.14.3.bb, i need to do this in oe_runconf: "cd ${S}; ./configure" |
| 20:37.19 | scant | anyone know how? |
| 20:51.21 | flo_lap | scant: hmm... i would expect this to happen in oe_runconf |
| 20:51.39 | flo_lap | scant: assuming you inherit autotools of course |
| 20:52.55 | scant | flo_lap: error log: http://pastebin.ca/954234 |
| 20:52.55 | scant | apcupsd_3.14.3.bb: http://pastebin.ca/954274 |
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| 21:26.48 | ynezz | http://pastebin.com/m2c3f953d |
| 21:27.11 | ynezz | how is it possible, that ep93xx-gpio-interrupt-debounce.diff is applied twice? |
| 21:30.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 4116 has been created by dannytaylor(AT)visi.com |
| 21:30.07 | cdbot2 | * * Epiphany doesn't build |
| 21:30.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4116 |
| 21:41.43 | RP | reads the OE mailing list and wishes he hadn't :( |
| 21:44.40 | flo_lap | still needs to catch up with his personal mail before reading lists |
| 21:45.26 | flo_lap | scant: i got a timeout accessing pastebin :-/ |
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| 22:08.48 | lumag | bye! |
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| 23:33.26 | rwhitby | RP: it's just the usual stuff on the list ... |
| 23:34.20 | rwhitby | once could ponder why, if mtn branches are so easy according to koen, he didn't use on for opkg transition ... |
| 23:34.28 | rwhitby | s/on/one/ |