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| 00:42.48 | Spyr1 | hi guys |
| 00:42.58 | Fique | hi Spyr1 |
| 00:43.00 | Spyr1 | I've written a gpio_keys driver for e-series |
| 00:43.08 | Spyr1 | so thepower button now reports :) |
| 00:43.16 | Spyr1 | Hi Fique |
| 00:43.32 | Spyr1 | what does userspace need to do to hook the key and use it to power off the PDA ? |
| 00:53.05 | oxbaadf00d | ian u rule btw ;) <-roguestar191@brighthand |
| 00:53.55 | Spyr1 | oh hi roguestar :) |
| 00:54.01 | Spyr1 | (and thanks :) ) |
| 00:54.28 | oxbaadf00d | :D i havn't done anything else on my 740 yet, not quite sure what to do, it's looking great tho cause ppc2002 sucks |
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| 00:56.35 | Spyr1 | oxbaadf00d: Im prodding the keypad ASIC now |
| 00:56.42 | Spyr1 | I can read scancodes from it :) |
| 00:56.48 | Spyr1 | for _all_ the buttons |
| 00:57.06 | Spyr1 | its _abominably_ laggy though |
| 00:57.14 | Spyr1 | like 1 second per event |
| 01:01.12 | Spyr1 | oxbaadf00d: the toshiba keypad asic is REALLY crappy. |
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| 01:14.46 | oxbaadf00d | Spyr1 they didn't respond very well in ppc2002 either did they? I seem to remember having trouble playing games with them |
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| 01:17.29 | Spyr1 | yeah but they were better than that |
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| 01:17.49 | Spyr1 | its a serial device |
| 01:18.15 | Spyr1 | I think my quick userspace hack (replicates the bootloader code) is being interfered with by the kernel |
| 01:18.20 | Spyr1 | hence the slowness |
| 01:18.37 | Spyr1 | Im rewriting the hack to use the serial device properly to see if that fixes it. |
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| 01:59.59 | oxbaadf00d | sounds great, if you want me to test anything on mine here i can |
| 02:01.43 | Spyr1 | will let you know |
| 02:08.44 | Spyr1 | oh great. enabling serial support nuked the console. |
| 02:28.21 | Spyr1 | ohhhh. I see. bummer. one of the UARTs is sharing a GPIO with the MMC controller. not good. |
| 02:29.54 | Spyr1 | *screams* argh. why did they use BTUARTs GPIO. theres no way that can work with the current linux btuart driver. |
| 02:30.00 | Spyr1 | toshiba are idiots. |
| 02:33.42 | oxbaadf00d | we've known that much though for a while |
| 02:33.48 | oxbaadf00d | that they're idiots |
| 02:34.14 | oxbaadf00d | but does this mean an entire new btuart driver needs to be written for these things? |
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| 06:25.50 | cdm | Question -- do any of the tasks/images generate a fully working system in ramdisk format? |
| 06:26.15 | cdm | Looking for an example, hopefully, of making a fully working Linux system in uImage format |
| 06:26.20 | cdm | that can be loaded over a network, etc. |
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| 08:08.47 | pictux | hi all |
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| 08:29.50 | Longfield | morning |
| 08:30.54 | likewise | gm |
| 08:39.57 | pictux | is there someone working 'bout oe on toshiba e740 (following form brighthand forum)? |
| 08:45.18 | lumag | hi, people! |
| 08:46.36 | flo_lap | hi lumag |
| 08:47.33 | flo_lap | pictux: no idea, but adding a new device is easy |
| 08:48.27 | pictux | flo_lap: some tips? |
| 08:51.20 | hrw | morning |
| 08:51.57 | hrw | pictux: conf/machine/eseries.conf already cover e740 |
| 08:53.12 | lumag | morning hrw |
| 08:53.29 | flo_lap | ah, even better :) |
| 08:53.47 | hrw | I do not know how good supported it is |
| 08:54.35 | cdm | well, I figured it ot. :) |
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| 08:59.47 | pictux | thx hrw |
| 09:03.09 | RP | morning all |
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| 09:10.15 | flo_lap | hi RP |
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| 09:19.23 | hrw|gone | bb in 2-3h |
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| 09:29.29 | ant|work | morning |
| 09:30.10 | ant|work | RP: ping |
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| 09:35.25 | Genesis | hidiho |
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| 09:53.22 | RP | ant|work: pong |
| 10:00.57 | ant|work | RP: hey..you're 24hours on line lately! |
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| 10:01.46 | ant|work | RP: I'd like to ask your opinion about the "fortran" legacy... |
| 10:05.44 | ant|work | RP: ...and got interested by that old languages |
| 10:06.28 | ant|work | RP: ...and eventually found some interesting syntax / grammar extensions |
| 10:07.03 | ant|work | RP: ...you would eventually implement in order to ease the use of bitbake ;-) |
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| 10:09.04 | ant|work | RP: ...and thanks to the "polite" syntax (PLEASE DO...) could calm down some spirits... |
| 10:09.48 | RP | ant|work: I think I understand what you're saying... |
| 10:09.52 | ant|work | RP: ...I lost the link years ago .... |
| 10:09.58 | ant|work | RP: ...http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal/ |
| 10:10.06 | ant|work | RP: don't kill me ;-) |
| 10:10.49 | RP | ant|work: What are you suggesting this is useful for? |
| 10:11.02 | ant|work | RP: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal/intercal.txt |
| 10:11.16 | ant|work | RP: just read the first few lines... |
| 10:12.11 | ant|work | RP: ^_^ |
| 10:12.45 | ant|work | RP: "PLEASE GIVE UP" is my favourite |
| 10:13.13 | RP | ant|work: right ;-) |
| 10:15.41 | ant|work | RP: ... |
| 10:15.53 | ant|work | RP: INTERCAL wil be a future project... |
| 10:16.08 | ant|work | RP: but back to fortran, seriously |
| 10:16.40 | ant|work | RP: I don't get why libmpfr is needed... |
| 10:17.08 | ant|work | RP: and if I try to bitbake gfortran-native ... |
| 10:17.22 | RP | There is no gfortran-native |
| 10:17.27 | ant|work | RP: bitbake complains I need gfortran on host.... |
| 10:17.32 | ant|work | RP: errr.. |
| 10:17.44 | ant|work | RP: *fortran-native ? |
| 10:18.05 | RP | There is no fortran native package |
| 10:18.24 | ant|work | RP: ans as extensions to gcc? |
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| 10:29.16 | florian | re |
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| 10:37.43 | ant|work | florian: hi |
| 10:39.34 | ant|work | RP: gcc3-build.inc and gcc-4-build.inc basically differs only on the "enabled languages" |
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| 10:41.17 | RP | ant|work: right |
| 10:41.31 | ant|work | RP: but for gcc3 should be F77 |
| 10:41.35 | ant|work | RP: http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/wiki/gcc3 |
| 10:43.35 | ant|work | RP: FORTRAN = ",f95" -> FORTRAN ?= ",f77" |
| 10:43.45 | ant|work | RP: ...seems INTERCAL...almost |
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| 11:00.51 | Laibsch | XorA: I hope you don't mind me bringing up bug 2430. Can you take a look? |
| 11:02.35 | XorA | Laibsch: god, I forgot all about that one with the dropping of Opie |
| 11:04.35 | RP | ant|work: I really don't know enough about this :/ |
| 11:06.21 | Laibsch | XorA: Would be nice if you spent some time considering it. |
| 11:06.39 | XorA | Laibsch: Im not allowed to :-( |
| 11:07.06 | Laibsch | why? |
| 11:07.14 | XorA | its not OM stuff |
| 11:07.19 | Laibsch | Your wife keeps you on a short leash ;-) ? |
| 11:08.57 | Laibsch | XorA: Well, maybe you can tell me what needs to be done and I could eventually give it a try |
| 11:09.21 | XorA | Laibsch: Ill put it in the bug |
| 11:09.27 | Laibsch | cool, thanks |
| 11:10.29 | XorA | Laibsch: in fact the solution is already there, a /etc/update-fonts.d that the font-utils and qtttfontdir stuff both put scripts into |
| 11:10.51 | XorA | Laibsch: then in postinst for fonts you run all scripts in that directoty, not fc-cache |
| 11:15.02 | ant|work | RP: I found some more info |
| 11:15.07 | ant|work | RP: Starting from gcc 4.0 the new Fortran native compiler gfortran is introduced |
| 11:15.17 | ant|work | RP: The gfortran compiler is the GNU implementation of the new standard Fortran 95 ISO/IEC 1539-1997 that contains most features both for Fortran 90 and FORTRAN 77. |
| 11:16.08 | ant|work | RP: so, no gfortran for gcc3 |
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| 11:18.40 | RP | ant|work: ok, so someone's made a mistake when trying to enable things :/ |
| 11:19.09 | RP | ant|work: It needs someone to spend some time and sort this mess out. I just don't know who's going to do it... |
| 11:24.05 | Laibsch | If a project allows redistribution of their code in source and binary form provided that the copyright notice is reproduced in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution, does that prevent putting said information into the -doc package? |
| 11:24.26 | Laibsch | I am talking about http://cvs.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/efont/sazanami/README?rev=1.5&view=markup (scroll down to see the English version) |
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| 11:26.25 | zecke | Crofton: hey, any idea where the gumstrix OpenEmbedded is? |
| 11:26.25 | Laibsch | XorA: I don't have /etc/update-fonts.d. Am I missing a package I should depend on? |
| 11:26.32 | zecke | Crofton: did they put it in svn? |
| 11:27.00 | XorA | Laibsch: you need to make a package to create that file, a /usr/bin/update-fonts which calls run-parts /etc/update-fonts.d/ |
| 11:27.18 | XorA | Laibsch: and add appropriate scripts to font-utils and qtttttttfont-dir packages |
| 11:27.38 | XorA | Laibsch: and change font postint scripts to call update-fonts |
| 11:28.46 | Laibsch | XorA: The problem is that the necessary steps don't even yet work by hand. For example, calling update-qttffontdir recognizes ttf-sazanami fonts. But still they won't show up in Appearance of opie. |
| 11:29.00 | Laibsch | Creating an image that has the font pre-installed seems to work |
| 11:29.12 | Laibsch | Later installation onto an existing image does not |
| 11:29.19 | Laibsch | For whatever reason |
| 11:29.33 | XorA | Laibsch: well I have no idea how qttffontdir works |
| 11:29.41 | XorA | Laibsch: I have run opie for 3 years or so |
| 11:29.45 | XorA | havent |
| 11:29.46 | Laibsch | me neither, at least not much |
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| 11:36.34 | Crofton | zecke, you hey put it in svn |
| 11:36.38 | Crofton | ~lart sakoman |
| 11:36.38 | ibot | takes out sakoman with the trash |
| 11:36.41 | Crofton | :) |
| 11:37.11 | Crofton | zecke, let me find url |
| 11:38.18 | zecke | Crofton: found it :) |
| 11:41.33 | Crofton | ah |
| 11:41.35 | Crofton | me too |
| 11:41.55 | Crofton | sakoman, is doing a reasonable job |
| 11:41.58 | zecke | Crofton: hehe, they should put my Qt4 stuff into it :) |
| 11:42.11 | Crofton | put it in angstrom stable |
| 11:42.21 | Crofton | he better move to that soon |
| 11:42.22 | sakoman | Crofton: be nice, I'm listening |
| 11:42.33 | Crofton | he tried it and his images came out 2m bigger |
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| 11:42.37 | Crofton | :) |
| 11:42.40 | Crofton | I know |
| 11:43.05 | Crofton | your work makes a better example based on the stable branch |
| 11:43.42 | Laibsch | hrw|gone: When you come back, can you help me with some font problems? |
| 11:44.50 | sakoman | Crofton: the only other issue that was immediately apparent was wifi not working on first boot |
| 11:45.32 | sakoman | I'm hoping to move early next week if I can beat down the 3 issues |
| 11:46.21 | zecke | sakoman: hehe, I only hate svn but I understand what you need to do and want to provide to your customers, so good job |
| 11:47.06 | Crofton | I should time a pull/ipdate from svn versus mtn |
| 11:47.22 | Crofton | although there tend to be fewer changes in gumstix ... |
| 11:48.37 | Crofton | ok, I need to go look at slides |
| 11:48.44 | Crofton | get some sleep sakoman |
| 11:49.12 | sakoman | Crofton: just woke up! have a plane to catch |
| 11:49.38 | sakoman | 6am flights are murder! |
| 11:50.00 | Crofton | urg |
| 11:50.08 | Crofton | a friend has one tomorrow |
| 11:50.38 | sakoman | Is today your presentation? |
| 11:52.38 | Crofton | yeah |
| 11:53.09 | Crofton | I need to get the past the bit about it sucking and get a better attitude, before I start :) |
| 11:53.19 | Crofton | anyway, have a good trip |
| 11:53.32 | Crofton | I need to hide for a bit |
| 11:54.00 | sakoman | Good luck! ttyl |
| 11:55.19 | hrw | re |
| 11:55.22 | hrw | Laibsch: pong |
| 11:57.26 | hrw | Laibsch: in general what XorA told is best way to solve problem |
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| 12:01.41 | Laibsch | hrw: Thank you for the reply |
| 12:02.09 | Laibsch | I agree that XorA's suggestion is the best solution, we already established that at the time I wrote 2430 |
| 12:02.38 | Laibsch | But I need to get something working, also as a way to understand what is really going on before creating something like that. |
| 12:03.11 | Laibsch | IOW, even calling the necessary steps by hand does not work now, so we are not there yet to create scripts |
| 12:04.09 | hrw | Laibsch: qtttfontdir (or how I called that) does not work? |
| 12:04.20 | Laibsch | hrw: Can you think of a reason why "bitbake test-image-with-sazanami" will show the ttf font in Appearance, but "bitbake opie-image" and then installing the font via ipkd and calling update-qtttffontdir will not? |
| 12:04.37 | Laibsch | update-qttffontdir shows the font is there |
| 12:04.48 | Laibsch | But it will not show in Appearance even after a reboot |
| 12:05.11 | Laibsch | I think I can provide two qemu images for you if you want me to, to show the problem. |
| 12:05.24 | hrw | would be nice |
| 12:05.33 | Laibsch | OK, give me some time |
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| 12:09.49 | hrw | o |
| 12:09.51 | hrw | k |
| 12:10.22 | Longfield | hello |
| 12:10.36 | Longfield | !oebug 3647 |
| 12:10.38 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 3647, Status: NEW, Created: 2008-01-08 07:16 |
| 12:10.38 | cdbot2 | * * valentin.longchamp(AT)epfl.ch: New mx31moboard machine support in OE |
| 12:10.39 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3647 |
| 12:10.57 | Longfield | could someone quickly have a look and eventually merge this one ? |
| 12:11.01 | hrw | i.mx31 is getting more and more popular |
| 12:11.30 | Longfield | yep, it rocks ... our boards now is getting pretty good |
| 12:13.04 | Crofton | do you have a link for the board? |
| 12:13.13 | florian | hrw: I noticed that too... and there are quite cheap boards available here. |
| 12:13.18 | Crofton | ~lart myself |
| 12:13.18 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats myself until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 12:13.23 | hrw | Longfield: please reuse linux_2.6.* and linux.inc for kernel as much as possible |
| 12:13.47 | hrw | Longfield: default interfaces file (netbase package) should be enough for your board |
| 12:14.14 | hrw | Crofton: sure |
| 12:14.28 | sakoman | Crofton should be working rather than wondering :-) |
| 12:14.35 | hrw | Longfield: and please add link to board website into machine config |
| 12:14.42 | Crofton | I am afraif linux.inc will collapse under it's own success ..... |
| 12:14.51 | Crofton | exactly |
| 12:14.58 | Crofton | and not on kernel bbclass ... |
| 12:15.08 | sakoman | :-) |
| 12:16.56 | hrw | Crofton: the problem is that someone has to do it |
| 12:17.12 | Crofton | yeah |
| 12:17.17 | Crofton | always the problem |
| 12:19.30 | Longfield | hrw: OK ... do you have an example of a good reuse of these files for the kernel recipe ? |
| 12:20.25 | hrw | Longfield: there is linux_2.6.22.6.bb recipe |
| 12:21.06 | hrw | Longfield: you need to add SRC_URI_append_YOURBOARD only |
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| 12:24.29 | Laibsch | hrw: http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/test-image-qemuarm.ext2.gz is the "test-image-with-sazanami"-type |
| 12:24.51 | Laibsch | sazanami is already installed by bitbake and visible in Appearance as it should be |
| 12:25.26 | hrw | fetching |
| 12:32.54 | Laibsch | hrw: You will see that sazanami is displayed in the list of fonts, but that it will show just gibberish in the sample area. But that is a separate issue |
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| 12:36.29 | hrw | ok, booting now |
| 12:37.42 | Jin^eLD | re |
| 12:38.22 | Jin^eLD | my daily question - http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 anyone? :> |
| 12:38.30 | Jin^eLD | hrw: and I did post to OEML as you suggested ;> |
| 12:39.17 | XorA | heh heh I think this method leads to one of two possible outcomes :-) |
| 12:40.11 | hrw | Laibsch: show me /usr/lib/opie/lib/fonts/fontdir from bad image |
| 12:41.14 | Longfield | hrw: is there a "standard" field for board website in the machine config file ? |
| 12:42.18 | hrw | Longfield: ## Website: maybe? |
| 12:46.25 | Longfield | OK fine ... and the last thing I could not remove according to what I read in the install of the defconfig ... here is how it looks now: http://pastebin.com/m2cb5822c. Is this defconfig stuff done by any other recipe ? |
| 12:48.22 | hrw | Longfield: create dir packages/linux/linux-2.6.22.6/mx31moboard/ - put defconfig file there. use linux/linux_2.6.22.6.bb recipe |
| 12:49.02 | Longfield | ok |
| 12:49.31 | hrw | Longfield: you only need to add one line there |
| 12:49.47 | hrw | SRC_URI_append_mx31moboard = "http://mobots.epfl.ch/mx31moboard/linux-2.6.22-moboard.patch.bz2;patch=1" |
| 12:49.50 | hrw | and thats all |
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| 12:58.26 | Laibsch | hrw|afk: http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/plain_opie_image-qemuarm.ext2.gz is the plain image. For your convenience, I mounted the loop image and copied the sazanami fonts to / for easier installation on your end |
| 12:59.02 | Laibsch | hrw|afk: The information about /usr/lib/opie/lib/fonts/fontdir (plus some more) is at http://rafb.net/p/8AwSCh17.html |
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| 13:23.27 | GNUtoo | hello, i have a problem: | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables http://pastebin.com/m4c4713dd |
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| 13:24.56 | saurabh_ | GNUtoo: did u have a look at the config.log |
| 13:25.07 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 13:25.09 | saurabh_ | GNUtoo: did u have a look at the config.log |
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| 13:25.52 | GNUtoo | is it because of that? cc1: Invalid option `-frename-registers' |
| 13:26.05 | saurabh | wrong gcc version |
| 13:27.01 | GNUtoo | wrong gcc version? i use an external toolchain |
| 13:27.29 | _diego_ | external toolchain is often a problem |
| 13:28.02 | _diego_ | becouse oe is tested with recent gcc, and you use an old gcc version |
| 13:28.22 | _diego_ | (probably) |
| 13:28.49 | GNUtoo | yes but as the device has proprietary apps i am obligated to use their toolchain no? |
| 13:30.48 | _diego_ | maybe... depends on proprietary apps, your gcc version and oe gcc version |
| 13:32.10 | GNUtoo | gcc version is 2.95.3-10 |
| 13:32.17 | Jin^eLD | wow... that's OLD |
| 13:32.18 | Jin^eLD | :) |
| 13:32.25 | _diego_ | btw usually packet should not use particular gcc option if not strictly required |
| 13:32.34 | _diego_ | s/packet/package |
| 13:32.57 | _diego_ | really old ^^ |
| 13:36.28 | _diego_ | GNUtoo: btw u can build a distribution with recent compiler/library and then run proprietary apps with old library |
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| 13:36.58 | GNUtoo | _diego_, ok what about glibc? |
| 13:37.19 | Jin^eLD | GNUtoo: what are you trying to do? add some packages to an existing firmware? |
| 13:37.27 | GNUtoo | Jin^eLD, yes |
| 13:37.35 | Jin^eLD | I did that a couple of times |
| 13:37.40 | _diego_ | look here for an example: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |
| 13:38.15 | Jin^eLD | afaik you have to match the glibc version, rest should not matter to much |
| 13:38.33 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 13:39.42 | Jin^eLD | s/to/too/ |
| 13:39.55 | _diego_ | arm processor, probably he should pay attention with which abi he is using |
| 13:40.08 | Jin^eLD | oh yes, indeed |
| 13:41.55 | GNUtoo | _diego_, for the abi is a machine.conf ok (http://pastebin.com/m7ec4631f) |
| 13:45.00 | GNUtoo | how do i use an external glibc as glibc 2.2.5-10 is not in oe (same for the kenrel 2.4.19-rmk7-omap1) |
| 13:45.02 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 13:45.16 | Jin^eLD | that's tough of course |
| 13:45.51 | _diego_ | it's possible to have different glibc version on the system |
| 13:46.16 | _diego_ | what is difficult, is to say which executable should user which glibc |
| 13:47.52 | GNUtoo | no i mean inside oe(not to make it build glibc but use an external one like i did with gcc) |
| 13:47.58 | _diego_ | an exemple is what openmoko does to launch gllin (a propetary program compiled with old tools) |
| 13:48.51 | _diego_ | you should define a libtool-native |
| 13:49.06 | XorA | conf/distro/sharprom-compatible.conf is a distro in OE that uses an external glibc and gcc |
| 13:49.18 | _diego_ | i suppose |
| 13:49.40 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
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| 14:04.47 | hrw|afk | Laibsch: according to http://rafb.net/p/8AwSCh17.html it looks like qtttfontdir was not called when ttf-sazanami was installed |
| 14:11.19 | Laibsch | hrw: qttffontdif or update-qtttffontdir? |
| 14:12.01 | Laibsch | As you can see, I called the latter by hand and still got no valid /usr/lib/opie/lib/fonts/fontdir |
| 14:12.08 | Laibsch | s/valid/correct/ |
| 14:12.46 | hrw | update-qtttffontdir |
| 14:13.06 | hrw | Laibsch: you need to do "update-qtttffontdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype" >/usr/lib/opie/lib/fonts/fontdir |
| 14:13.28 | hrw | Laibsch: as update-qtttffontdir do not update file - it parse fonts and output data |
| 14:13.45 | Laibsch | All right, I see |
| 14:14.02 | Laibsch | Thank you for the hint |
| 14:14.12 | hrw | no problem |
| 14:14.26 | hrw | Laibsch: iirc qpf.bbclass has that code |
| 14:17.54 | Laibsch | In there it says update-qtfontdir and not update-qtttffontdir. There is also no redirection to the fontdir file, but an -f parameter |
| 14:18.41 | Laibsch | hrw: Maybe the code in there is faulty? |
| 14:19.30 | Bernardo | hi |
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| 14:20.25 | Bernardo | any reason for having notecase version 1.2.6 as the default version instead of 1.7.2? |
| 14:21.46 | Laibsch | Bernardo: Look through mtn log, the reason might be stated in one of the commit messages |
| 14:22.14 | GNUtoo | why it looks for my toolchain at /usr/local/openpma/arm if i've not set this directory anwhere... |
| 14:22.40 | GNUtoo | s/it/does it look |
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| 14:25.14 | Bernardo | Laibsch: nothing there that I can find, only that koen added notecase 1.7.2 (as I had asked him then) in november |
| 14:25.23 | Bernardo | the log only has "update to 1.7.2" |
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| 14:27.09 | Laibsch | Bernardo: mtn log --diffs conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc |less |
| 14:27.40 | Laibsch | You can also always override the ?= locally |
| 14:28.34 | hrw | Laibsch: you need update-qtttffontdir for ttf fonts and then update-qtfontdir for qpf ones |
| 14:30.09 | Bernardo | Laibsch: thanks, I was looking at the logs only for the notecase packages |
| 14:30.11 | Laibsch | hrw: OK, then the code is not in qpf-bbclass |
| 14:30.43 | Laibsch | hrw: and there is no ttf-bbclass |
| 14:31.12 | Laibsch | s/-/./g |
| 14:31.56 | hrw | Laibsch: mtn rename classes/qpf.bbclass packages/qpf-fonts/qpf.inc was long time on my todolist |
| 14:32.03 | Laibsch | hrw: Should I create ttf.bbclass modelled after qpf.bbclass? |
| 14:32.35 | hrw | no |
| 14:32.49 | hrw | rename qpf.bbclass to qpf.inc rather and change qpf-fonts recipes |
| 14:32.59 | Laibsch | OK, I can do that |
| 14:33.13 | Laibsch | But that by itself won't do any good to sazanami |
| 14:33.18 | GNUtoo | ??? |
| 14:33.18 | Laibsch | which is ttf not qpf |
| 14:33.38 | GNUtoo | xchat bug |
| 14:34.04 | GNUtoo | grep -i /usr/local/openpma -r * returns nothing |
| 14:34.19 | GNUtoo | (i couldn't paste one line of console here) |
| 14:34.37 | Laibsch | webkit-gtk is not compiling for me: http://rafb.net/p/XPW5EL40.html. Am I missing something? zecke, mickeyl? |
| 14:34.42 | hrw | Laibsch: you need to implement that stuff which you discussed before: /etc/update-fonts.d/ |
| 14:34.51 | Bernardo | Laibsch: the only entry of a preferred version for notecase was in october, when most versions were added. |
| 14:35.22 | hrw | Laibsch: so under opie it will does not mater do you install qpf or ttf fonts as system will run-parts /etc/update-fonts.d/ and will generate fontdir for qpf and ttf fonts |
| 14:35.43 | Laibsch | Bernardo: october + november: I guess it can be updated, but you need to ask koen about it |
| 14:36.26 | Bernardo | ok, thanks |
| 14:36.40 | Laibsch | hrw: OK, I will try and cook something up and post it to the BTS for your and XorA's review |
| 14:36.57 | GNUtoo | anyone for my problem? |
| 14:37.21 | Laibsch | GNUtoo: You copied from sharprom code? |
| 14:37.37 | hrw | Laibsch: ok |
| 14:38.59 | GNUtoo | Laibsch, i didn't exactly copied because sharprom-toolchain-native doesn't seems to be my toolchain (PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libc = "sharprom-toolchain-native") |
| 14:39.46 | GNUtoo | instead i added ASSUME_PROVIDED += " virtual/libc " |
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| 14:42.57 | Laibsch | GNUtoo: You need to look into the sharprom stuff and understand where the setting comes from to look under /usr/local for the toolchain |
| 14:43.04 | Laibsch | I cannot help you with that, though |
| 14:44.12 | GNUtoo | ok but i didn't copied from sharprom... |
| 15:01.34 | Laibsch | hrw: Do you have an idea why the sazanami fonts show nothing but gibberish when chosen? |
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| 15:02.39 | Laibsch | GNUtoo: Maybe http://blog.leggewie.org/?p=11 has some information for you on how it can be done for SharpROM and how you can adapt that to your situation |
| 15:02.53 | hrw | Laibsch: no idea |
| 15:02.55 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
| 15:03.05 | hrw | Laibsch: it was long time ago when I used opie last time |
| 15:14.34 | lumag | bye all! |
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| 15:18.53 | Laibsch | GNUtoo http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=commonuse_prebuilt_toolchain |
| 15:19.01 | Laibsch | I guess that should be where the info is |
| 15:19.33 | GNUtoo | ok thanks a lot |
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| 15:50.48 | Laibsch | Is there a fundamental difference between a plain old .inc files with basically nothing but function definitions and a bbclass? |
| 15:51.24 | Laibsch | I was thinking about separating some common functionality for the Zaurus line either an inc file in conf/machine/ or a bbclass |
| 15:51.36 | Laibsch | into either |
| 15:54.42 | RP | Laibsch: .inc files are traditionally like .conf files, .bbclass files are equal to .bb files |
| 15:54.59 | RP | Laibsch: but somewhere along the lines .inc files became as powerful as .bbclass |
| 15:55.18 | RP | It really depends more on the context of what the functions do |
| 15:56.08 | Laibsch | RP: What would you advise in this case? |
| 15:56.22 | Laibsch | I want to separate out the installkit function, for example |
| 15:56.28 | hrw | Laibsch: why? |
| 15:56.43 | Laibsch | hrw: One single point to fix things |
| 15:56.56 | Laibsch | For example, the function is defective for collie |
| 15:57.17 | RP | Laibsch: If its in a .inc I'd leave it in a .inc for now |
| 15:57.21 | hrw | Laibsch: include/zaurus.inc would be best |
| 15:57.31 | Laibsch | RP: It is not separated out, yet |
| 15:57.46 | RP | Laibsch: Where is it currently? |
| 15:58.00 | Laibsch | in the individual machine configs |
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| 15:58.45 | RP | Laibsch: Its in zaurus-2.6.inc isn't it? |
| 15:59.13 | Laibsch | Let me check again to be sure |
| 15:59.23 | Laibsch | It certainly is in the collie config |
| 15:59.52 | RP | collie-2.6.inc ? |
| 16:00.03 | RP | That does look duplicated but only for collie... |
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| 16:00.19 | Laibsch | OK, in that case, I will fix the inc file and delete the entry in collie |
| 16:00.28 | RP | Laibsch: Sounds good |
| 16:00.30 | Laibsch | I had not checked other machines, but just assumend |
| 16:00.33 | Laibsch | assumed |
| 16:00.38 | Laibsch | Alright, then |
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| 16:04.45 | GNUtoo | i don't find sharprom-toolchain-native anywhere...how can i create one for my device? (openpma-toolchain-native) |
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| 16:05.40 | Laibsch | GNUtoo Have you read my blog? |
| 16:05.52 | GNUtoo | Laibsch, i've read the link |
| 16:06.50 | Laibsch | OK, then maybe you should give a quick try to compile for Sharp ROM |
| 16:07.08 | Laibsch | Once that is done, you should probably know much better how to achieve your initial goal |
| 16:07.09 | GNUtoo | compiling for sharp rom works |
| 16:07.15 | GNUtoo | and it even runs on my device |
| 16:07.30 | Laibsch | Then I don't understand why you ask for sharprom-toolchain-native |
| 16:07.40 | Laibsch | That toolchain is *external* |
| 16:07.48 | GNUtoo | (vim but i don't have the coulors even with the syntax files...) |
| 16:07.49 | Laibsch | Downloaded from somewhere |
| 16:07.59 | GNUtoo | yes that's what i did |
| 16:08.11 | GNUtoo | but i'll like to do the same for my device |
| 16:08.37 | Laibsch | GNUtoo: Have you read conf/distro/sharprom-compatible.conf ? |
| 16:08.53 | Laibsch | That should be the starting point I was trying to get you to. |
| 16:09.08 | Laibsch | I think everything you need to know should be in there |
| 16:09.14 | GNUtoo | Laibsch, yes that's there that i found that...PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/arm-linux-gcc-2.95 = "sharprom-toolchain-native" |
| 16:10.27 | Laibsch | GNUtoo Come on |
| 16:10.29 | GNUtoo | the sharprom-toolchain-native isn't magic it must have been defined somewhere...i tried with grep -r but i didn't find anything |
| 16:10.34 | Laibsch | Found it in 2 seconds |
| 16:10.36 | Laibsch | packages/sharprom-toolchain/sharprom-toolchain-native_1.0.bb |
| 16:10.43 | GNUtoo | ahh |
| 16:10.57 | GNUtoo | i thought it was a config file... |
| 16:12.13 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot... |
| 16:12.40 | Laibsch | rgrep is a good idea |
| 16:12.44 | Laibsch | so is locate ;-) |
| 16:13.21 | Laibsch | I am glad we found it without bothering mickey_away who is the original author but notoriously busy ;-) |
| 16:13.35 | Laibsch | I guess you finally should be ready to go |
| 16:14.09 | GNUtoo | is he the one who reverse engeenered the zaurus sd card driver? |
| 16:14.22 | GNUtoo | or is my memory so bad? |
| 16:17.27 | hrw | GNUtoo: it was not mickey |
| 16:17.36 | GNUtoo | who was it? |
| 16:17.46 | hrw | I do not remember now |
| 16:18.09 | Laibsch | GNUtoo Take a look through my blog |
| 16:18.18 | Laibsch | It was some Spanish guy, I think |
| 16:18.29 | Laibsch | And thesing who is actually doing the work now |
| 16:24.06 | Laibsch | Is it true that collie needs zImage and the others a zImage.bin? |
| 16:24.45 | hrw | Laibsch: others need what zaurus-updater need |
| 16:25.02 | Laibsch | hrw: and that being? |
| 16:25.16 | Laibsch | other Zaurus is what I am talking about |
| 16:25.21 | hrw | it can be zImage, zimage.bin or even "this-is-my-favorite-kernel-please-flash-it" if you change updater |
| 16:25.42 | Laibsch | hrw: I think you are the master of updater.sh |
| 16:25.53 | Laibsch | How about a uniform zImage? |
| 16:26.01 | Laibsch | at least for the Z |
| 16:28.04 | hrw | Laibsch: impossible |
| 16:28.25 | hrw | Laibsch: you still can not get kernel for 25x/27x in one image |
| 16:28.25 | Laibsch | why? |
| 16:28.37 | hrw | and we are hard to fit in 1.2M |
| 16:28.44 | Laibsch | hrw: I am talking only about Z |
| 16:29.01 | Laibsch | Can we change that at least to simplify things? |
| 16:29.07 | hrw | Laibsch: poodle/tosa/c7x0 are pxa25x. akita/spitz are pxa27x |
| 16:29.12 | Laibsch | And what does the size have to with the filename? |
| 16:29.23 | hrw | ah.. file name. |
| 16:29.25 | hrw | sorry |
| 16:29.27 | Laibsch | yes |
| 16:29.38 | hrw | Laibsch: zaurus-updater allow to use zImage for flashing |
| 16:29.48 | Laibsch | uniform name of zImage |
| 16:30.05 | Laibsch | OK, I will make a corresponding change to the installkit code, then |
| 16:31.46 | hrw | ok |
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| 16:47.13 | scruggs | anyone know what distro I should use to build maemo4 packages? |
| 16:50.07 | scruggs | maemo-1.0 ? |
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| 16:51.47 | hrw | maemo? what it is? |
| 16:52.49 | ant|work | hrw: hi |
| 16:53.04 | scruggs | the linux os on the nokia n series tablets |
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| 16:53.49 | hrw | ant|work: hi |
| 16:54.00 | ant|work | hrw: about updater.sh |
| 16:54.03 | hrw | scruggs: ah.. the mistic Finnish tablets |
| 16:54.06 | hrw | ant|work: yes? |
| 16:54.20 | ant|work | hrw: CoreDump last commit implemented u-boot? |
| 16:54.35 | scruggs | hrw: yep :) |
| 16:54.36 | hrw | ant|work: yes. but we will not support using uboot |
| 16:54.40 | ant|work | hrw: I read your blog... |
| 16:54.56 | ant|work | hrw: anyway I will try on my c7x0 |
| 16:55.10 | ant|work | hrw: with the help of serial cable ;) |
| 16:55.18 | hrw | ant|work: remember that you will have old u-boot |
| 16:55.26 | ant|work | hrw: question is: would it actually boot? |
| 16:55.50 | hrw | ant|work: if you are familiar with uboot then you will boot |
| 16:56.01 | ant|work | hrw: you talked about missing W100 driver, but not for console I suppose ... |
| 16:56.04 | hrw | out-of-box it will rather not |
| 16:56.12 | hrw | ant|work: c7x0 display is w100 |
| 16:56.34 | ant|work | hrw: mean doesn't u-boot support a generic vga? |
| 16:56.41 | ant|work | hrw: X does |
| 16:56.51 | hrw | ant|work: there is no such thing as generic vga on !x86 |
| 16:56.58 | ant|work | hrw: xserver-kdrive-imageon (2 open bugs btw) |
| 16:57.11 | hrw | ant|work: xserver-kdrive-imageon use w100 |
| 16:57.32 | ant|work | hrw: I assume because there is no bios chip? |
| 16:57.43 | ant|work | hrw: there is no letsay VESA |
| 16:57.57 | ant|work | hrw: in "hardware" |
| 16:58.09 | hrw | ant|work: forget about vesa/vga if you talk about !x86(-64) |
| 16:58.29 | ant|work | hrw: other bootloaders support it... |
| 16:58.42 | ant|work | hrw: grub / lilo (x86) |
| 16:59.02 | hrw | ant|work: no - they do not |
| 16:59.03 | ant|work | hrw: ...as you see I'm novice for arm |
| 16:59.22 | hrw | ant|work: lilo and grub do not support vga - they take what bios set |
| 16:59.39 | ant|work | hrw: "support" is a big word.... |
| 16:59.52 | ant|work | hrw: I support my wife .... |
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| 17:00.04 | hrw | ant|work: what you can get in u-boot on c7x0 is serial console, flash, mmc, keyboard and maybe pcmcia |
| 17:00.15 | ant|work | hrw: fine |
| 17:00.35 | ant|work | hrw: but I have to hardcode the CONSOLE string |
| 17:00.43 | ant|work | hrw: right? |
| 17:00.58 | ant|work | hrw: or is it interactive with serial console? |
| 17:01.13 | hrw | ant|work: you never played with u-boot before? |
| 17:01.26 | ant|work | hrw: enough to reflash nand over it |
| 17:01.41 | ant|work | hrw: and restore some "params" |
| 17:01.57 | ant|work | hrw: fuc*ed by pdaxrom testing..... |
| 17:02.11 | hrw | ah |
| 17:02.24 | ant|work | hrw: but then I didn't have serial cable... |
| 17:02.54 | ant|work | hrw: If it is like with other bootloaders (redboot bootbase) I know how to start at least.... |
| 17:03.46 | hrw | ant|work: you connect serial and (if u-boot is configured to respond on serial) you get prompt on it |
| 17:03.55 | ant|work | hrw: I'll try and cry for your help if lost |
| 17:04.07 | ant|work | hrw: thanks in advance |
| 17:04.12 | ant|work | hrw: ;-) |
| 17:05.19 | hrw | ant|work: I never used u-boot on Z and do not plan to |
| 17:05.47 | ant|work | hrw: if you help me on this I owe you a new battery for Z! Promised! |
| 17:07.53 | hrw | ;D |
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| 17:18.18 | GNUtoo | i still have the same error | The external toolchain could not be found in /usr/local/openpma/arm! but i have my toolchain there!!! it's even chmod 777 and chown to my user |
| 17:18.39 | GNUtoo | that is with my own toolchain...the one from sharprom works fine |
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| 17:29.04 | GNUtoo | anyone? |
| 17:49.22 | ant|work | bb |
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| 18:23.50 | GNUtoo | anyone? |
| 18:24.08 | GNUtoo | i even tried trace.py but with no results... |
| 18:24.26 | GNUtoo | and the bin/ is in my PATH |
| 18:28.12 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 19:17.56 | likewise | Crofton|work: I just noticed a NAND driver for DaVinci (v4) was submitted. You already got that? |
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| 19:30.39 | flo_lap | re |
| 19:33.39 | GNUtoo | i've seen that "Toolchains are not relocatable" at http://free-electrons.com/training/devtools and it also says that it's not true anymore for gcc4 but it's gcc4 for building the toolchain or as toolchain itself? |
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| 19:38.01 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: even if it is supposed to work for the basic toolchain i would not recommend it - libtool will bite you in the end ;) |
| 19:38.17 | flo_lap | hi pH5, hi pvanhoof |
| 19:38.25 | pvanhoof | ei |
| 19:39.08 | pH5 | hej flo_lap |
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| 19:58.55 | hrw|gone | bye |
| 20:06.16 | lisppaste7 | zecke pasted ".pri change for Laibsch" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/53982 |
| 20:06.27 | zecke | Laibsch: ^^ |
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| 20:26.32 | GNUtoo | how do i filter flags? because i have cc1: Invalid option `-frename-registers' |
| 20:34.02 | zecke | GNUtoo: Do you want to filer? I think you just want to set a different optimisation? Find out where in conf/ -frename-registers get set |
| 20:34.15 | zecke | GNUtoo: and then set that key to something else in your local.conf |
| 20:34.35 | GNUtoo | ok thanks i'll look |
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| 20:38.18 | GNUtoo | zecke, it is set nowhere in conf grep -r -i frename-registers * only show me the content of conf/tmp |
| 20:40.46 | timtimred | the other conf |
| 20:42.18 | GNUtoo | timtimred, in org.openembedded.dev? |
| 20:43.48 | timtimred | yeah |
| 20:45.51 | GNUtoo | timtimred, thanks a lot it was in bitbake's configuration |
| 20:46.10 | timtimred | np ;) |
| 20:47.33 | zecke | GNUtoo: which dirs did you grep? |
| 20:48.13 | zecke | GNUtoo: I find at least 10 hits in my conf/ directory of OE |
| 20:49.19 | GNUtoo | zecke, /oe/org.openembedded.dev/conf |
| 20:49.43 | GNUtoo | i had others march bit they were distribs |
| 20:50.33 | zecke | ??? |
| 20:51.51 | GNUtoo | zecke, what don't you understand? |
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| 21:27.59 | GNUtoo | i have a strange faillure for nano | nano.h:76: curses.h: No such file or directory...normaly oe should handle the dependencies... |
| 21:28.21 | GNUtoo | and how do i clean all what i've built? |
| 21:28.57 | GNUtoo | (because i want a clean rebuilt on my external toolchain and not on sharprom's(the one i used at the beguining)) |
| 21:29.39 | GNUtoo | and what happend to the deps? do they get into the ipkg? |
| 21:32.15 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: yes to both, the safest would be to wipe the TMPDIR excluding the configuration subdir |
| 21:33.10 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, ok and is there a mode for generating an ipkg.conf and the dependences ipkg? |
| 21:34.07 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: the dependencies are generated from the library dependencies and the RDEPENDS information in the bb. you need to specify what you can't generate |
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| 21:35.00 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, no i mean for instance if i want openssh i want openssl and openssh ipks not an ipk with both inside... |
| 21:35.15 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: if you build an image it will contain a matching conf according to your distributions settings. |
| 21:35.32 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 21:36.53 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
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| 21:37.06 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: ah, right... that's what you usually get. things are split up properly. if you build some target such as openssh you will get all the depending ipkg packages as well. |
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| 21:57.07 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, i cleaned my temps dirs and the curses.h is still missing should i bugrepot? http://pastebin.com/m3f64dab2 |
| 21:59.30 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: that's strange indeed.... after the staging step of ncurses it should be there |
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| 22:03.14 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: did this happen with the other toolchain too? |
| 22:03.37 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, don't know...i'll check |
| 22:04.43 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, i also have a strange problem my old ipkg can't use the ipk made by oe: http://pastebin.com/m17db6cb2 |
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| 22:05.50 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: ah i remember this, we had somethgin like this in Familiar a long time ago |
| 22:06.15 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, should i upgrade the ipkg of my device? |
| 22:06.55 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: no... iirc that's caused by an old busybox tar or an old tar on your build machine. |
| 22:07.26 | flo_lap | pb_: do you remember? :) |
| 22:11.57 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, where do i put my busybox config file? |
| 22:14.27 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: check the subdirs in packages/busybox |
| 22:16.02 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: you can have things like busybox-1.7.2/<distroname>/defconfig |
| 22:16.14 | GNUtoo | wow thanks a lot |
| 22:16.33 | flo_lap | or the device instead if distro |
| 22:17.10 | flo_lap | it picks the most specific one |
| 22:17.30 | flo_lap | that's one of the really nice things in oe |
| 22:18.39 | pb_ | flo_lap: I think it's a too-old tar on the build machine, but I don't remember for sure |
| 22:20.49 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: what distro do you use on your build box? |
| 22:20.57 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, gentoo |
| 22:22.05 | GNUtoo | 1.18-r2 |
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| 22:23.56 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, gentoo : tar-1.18-r2,gzip-1.3.12 busybox:v1.1.3 |
| 22:24.54 | GNUtoo | i upgrade gentoo's tar |
| 22:25.15 | flo_lap | I have 1.19 on my main build box... that runs Debian Lenny |
| 22:33.58 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, nmap_3.81-r2_arm.ipk: Debian binary package (format 2.0) and iptables_1.3.5_arm.ipk: gzip compressed data (iptables was made by hand using the ipkg_build script) |
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| 22:42.07 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: ok the first one is the correct imho. |
| 22:42.53 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: the ipk itself is in fact an ar archive instead of a tar archive. |
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| 22:58.48 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, | arm-linux-gcc: unrecognized option `-static-libgcc' |
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| 23:08.07 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, here a more precise compilation faillure: http://pastebin.com/m38f4eb8c |
| 23:10.18 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: is that the default crosscompiler oe built? |
| 23:10.27 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, no |
| 23:12.17 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: which version of gcc is that? |
| 23:12.38 | GNUtoo | very old one...2.95 |
| 23:13.10 | GNUtoo | 2.95.3-10 |
| 23:14.43 | flo_lap | eeks |
| 23:14.49 | flo_lap | yes, that's old indeed |
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| 23:16.15 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, there is also sharprom-compatible that has the same kind of old compilers |
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| 23:17.37 | mickey_n810 | I would try an older busybox |
| 23:18.12 | mickey_n810 | Lots of new stuff depends on modern compiler features |
| 23:19.11 | GNUtoo | ok but i also have a problem with tar in my busybox that need to be fixed |
| 23:20.07 | mickey_n810 | I would build a non-bb tar |
| 23:20.25 | mickey_n810 | We had problems w that as well |
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| 23:32.51 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, i upgraded tar and nothing changed |
| 23:33.01 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, mabe i need to reboot? |
| 23:33.22 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: hmm no, I don't think that makes a difference |
| 23:33.48 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, mabe i need to update ipkg as ar and tar works on the device |
| 23:34.42 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: yes right, that's a good idea... |
| 23:34.43 | flo_lap | yes |
| 23:34.49 | flo_lap | it is! |
| 23:35.39 | flo_lap | GNUtoo: wow... you have an ancient ipkg - a loong time ago there was one that expected the ipk files to be tar archives instead of ar! |
| 23:36.01 | GNUtoo | that must be that |
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| 23:37.20 | GNUtoo | flo_lap, bye i must go |
| 23:45.16 | zecke | n8 |
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| 23:55.38 | flo_lap | zecke: gn |