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| 07:51.25 | hvontres|home | Good Morining Europe :) |
| 07:51.34 | gremlin[it] | morning ! |
| 08:07.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3257 has been created by xjqian(AT)gmail.com |
| 08:07.07 | cdbot2 | * * gcc-syntax-fix.patch fixed upstream for libopie2-1.2.3 |
| 08:07.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3257 |
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| 12:42.03 | Genesis | yo |
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| 13:44.34 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r384c66ea... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007: remove some preferred version that are already in the lockdown file |
| 13:44.39 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbea514a9... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc: correct some entries |
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| 15:01.28 | mickeyl | is there any input subsystem wrapper available? |
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| 15:06.55 | koen | good morning all |
| 15:10.06 | Bernardo | hi koen |
| 15:10.13 | koen | hey Bernardo |
| 15:11.58 | Bernardo | koen, can you push bug #3257? I've just checked xjqian fix for libopie2-1.2.3 recipe and it is correct |
| 15:12.10 | koen | I don't opie stuff |
| 15:12.25 | Bernardo | :) ok, thanks |
| 15:12.48 | Bernardo | I'll wait for someone who does |
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| 15:25.36 | CoreDump | guys? Does the free GnuPG offer acceptable Outlook integration on windows? Does anybody know? |
| 15:26.55 | CoreDump | nm |
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| 15:44.34 | koen | mickeyl: don't forget the neod patches in OE |
| 15:45.01 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rad80d0f2... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: bump ezxd |
| 15:45.05 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1910d894... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:45.05 | CIA-32 | xournal: rdepend on poppler to get pdf annotation feature working |
| 15:45.05 | CIA-32 | also add 0.4.1 |
| 15:58.27 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3de8a5cd... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb): neod: add maxrev for patches that have been applied |
| 16:00.05 | mickeyl | heh |
| 16:05.28 | mwester | mickeyl: are you perhaps preparing for a new snapshot? |
| 16:05.35 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r73811d71... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007: lockdown file takes precendence over other files |
| 16:06.05 | mickeyl | mwester: yes. provided nothing serious happens, i will release a new snapshot on 10th or so |
| 16:06.48 | mwester | Cool! BTW, I have a script(let) that powers off the GSM modem during shutdown (init script) - is that something that might be of interest for said snapshot? |
| 16:07.13 | mickeyl | absolutely |
| 16:07.16 | mickeyl | please show me |
| 16:07.25 | mickeyl | (attach to bugzilla) |
| 16:07.36 | mwester | Along with the sound chip kernel patch, it results in a neo that doesn't consume power from the battery when it's been normally shut down... |
| 16:07.44 | mwester | I'll add it to bugzilla :) |
| 16:08.19 | mickeyl | excellent! |
| 16:08.20 | mickeyl | thanks a lot |
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| 17:02.40 | CIA-32 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf76a5213... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add vala, a C#-like language that aims to simplify GObject programming |
| 17:05.34 | koen | mickeyl: how can I build a vala app in OE? |
| 17:05.40 | koen | just DEPENDS="vala"? |
| 17:06.31 | mickeyl | no idea :D |
| 17:06.39 | mickeyl | vala-native |
| 17:06.43 | mickeyl | emits the valac into staging |
| 17:06.56 | mickeyl | if the autotools support for vala is there, then this should be it |
| 17:07.13 | mickeyl | if not, then we might need a class that precompiles the vala files |
| 17:08.30 | koen | valac --pkg dbus-glib-1 -o bluetooth bluetooth.vala |
| 17:08.36 | koen | integrated pkgconfig support! |
| 17:09.31 | koen | to use a robtaylor-ism: "This is the future!" |
| 17:10.56 | koen | mickeyl: btw, mtn 0.37 supports marking branches as 'suspendend', which means they don't show up in 'mtn ls branches' anymore |
| 17:11.36 | mickeyl | oh that's handy |
| 17:12.45 | koen | any volunteers for a "OE support vala support" pressrelease? |
| 17:13.12 | mickeyl | (vala) yes, i think this could have a serious impact to gobject based programming |
| 17:14.16 | mickeyl | i can't stand Gobject based C programming any more |
| 17:14.16 | mickeyl | really fed up with it |
| 17:14.16 | mickeyl | so it's either C++ or Vala for me |
| 17:14.37 | mickeyl | just have to find out whether libraries written in Vala support plain C coding |
| 17:14.45 | mickeyl | if not, this could be a deal-breaker for libs |
| 17:19.50 | koen | "plain c" meaning "C + gobject"? |
| 17:22.53 | CM | Well, the vala homepage says "without imposing any additional runtime requirements and without using a different ABI compared to applications and libraries written in C." |
| 17:25.23 | mickeyl | sure, but the problem is the other way round. how does plain-C-coding against a library written in Vala look like. |
| 17:26.37 | CM | Anyway, cool addition to OE. I like C# and Vala looks nice. Only done some small tests with it so far |
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| 17:50.36 | koen | mickeyl: the next commit contains something that openmoko people will want to test :) |
| 17:51.21 | mickeyl | good |
| 17:53.02 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8965d616... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-browser2: add (disabled) patch to use fingerscroll instead of a regular scrolled window. |
| 17:53.49 | mickeyl | interesting |
| 17:54.12 | koen | zecke disabled it 2 months ago due to segfaults |
| 17:54.27 | koen | that was a few thousand webkit commits ago |
| 17:54.34 | koen | time to test again :) |
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| 17:59.54 | mickeyl | right |
| 17:59.55 | mickeyl | major problems were |
| 18:00.02 | mickeyl | a) scroll indicator not visible |
| 18:00.21 | mickeyl | b) no scrollable google maps |
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| 18:09.57 | koen | mickeyl: time to hook up mokofingerscroll to mokoaccelerometerscroll :) |
| 18:14.54 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raf062edd... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-libs_3.22.bb): bluez-libs: update to 3.22 |
| 18:15.02 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc1a53272... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): bluez-{cups,gstreamer,alsa,utils}: update to 3.22 |
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| 18:39.57 | koen | mickeyl: btw, HAL monitors all event devices by default |
| 18:40.13 | koen | dunno what it takes to do something with that, just noticed it listens on them :) |
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| 18:51.41 | mickeyl | koen: (mokoaccellerometerscroll) hehe, sounds like a plan |
| 18:52.29 | mickeyl | ya, i know HAL can do a lot of what i need. i don't have the luxury of learning it before the next snapshot goes out though ;) |
| 18:53.06 | koen | I did a evalution of http://www.xsens.com/ a few years ago as part of the biomedics course |
| 18:53.35 | koen | comparing it against http://www.vicon.com/ |
| 18:54.44 | koen | great toys to play with, but getting useable data requires at ton of algos to compensate for drift and stuff |
| 18:55.43 | koen | the 'and stuff' was part of our assignment :) |
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| 19:14.09 | likewise | hello all |
| 19:14.34 | likewise | steliosk: ping |
| 19:24.27 | koen | hey likewise |
| 19:24.59 | woglinde | hm seems my alsa-utils patch dont makes any anger |
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| 19:46.40 | likewise | zecke: hello |
| 19:47.07 | zecke | hey! |
| 19:49.45 | koen | hey zecke |
| 19:49.50 | koen | zecke: how was linz? |
| 19:50.09 | zecke | linzi :) |
| 19:50.31 | zecke | koen: It was okay, I finally had the time to talk with Michael Opdenacker |
| 19:50.48 | koen | you freed your electrons? |
| 19:51.04 | koen | I was tempted by his job offer |
| 19:51.14 | koen | Nice looks like an OK region to live in |
| 19:51.28 | zecke | hehe, Nice is nice! |
| 19:51.33 | zecke | he sent you a job offer? |
| 19:51.45 | koen | yeah, a few months back |
| 19:55.32 | gremlin[it] | hahaha :P |
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| 19:56.05 | zecke | s/has/as/g |
| 19:56.07 | zecke | wow, tired |
| 19:56.19 | zecke | no Linz was nice, the best news was a MIPS CPU from China |
| 19:56.27 | koen | godson 3? |
| 19:56.48 | woglinde_ | zecke isnt that an old news? |
| 19:57.45 | zecke | it started with a 'L' |
| 19:57.59 | zecke | and I met likewise, Jin|away... dodji... |
| 19:58.25 | koen | lots of stuff embedded in it |
| 19:59.05 | likewise | Longsoon |
| 20:00.04 | likewise | It was dirt cheap, and going to be manufactured by ST, a very reliable manufacturer. Also, ST has an ARM M1 Cortex chip out btw (1.75 EUR) |
| 20:00.18 | likewise | The Longsoon is a MIPS. |
| 20:00.57 | koen | is that the nomadik thingy? |
| 20:05.45 | gremlin[it] | likewise, i'll have some sample of ST cortex in a couple of week |
| 20:05.55 | gremlin[it] | no mistake ... cortex R3 |
| 20:06.45 | likewise | gremlin[it]: we purchased the samples and dev kit. |
| 20:06.56 | likewise | let me look it up, not sure about the model nr any more. |
| 20:07.24 | gremlin[it] | mhhh the M series of cortex is suitable for small linux ? |
| 20:07.31 | likewise | it had flash and mem internally, we are not running Linux on all parts... |
| 20:07.35 | gremlin[it] | i really would see cortex A ... |
| 20:07.53 | likewise | but we chose a part with memory bus, so yes it should be able to run small linux |
| 20:08.26 | gremlin[it] | mhhh nice :) |
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| 20:14.25 | likewise | steliosk, zecke: was steliosk in Linz?? |
| 20:15.05 | likewise | gremlin[it]: No, we obtained the M3, no external bus AFAICS. |
| 20:15.09 | zecke | no, at least I have not seen him |
| 20:16.11 | gremlin[it] | i will receive the small demo of ST with a cortex M3 , a str7 ... an 3 axys accelerometer ... a small color LCD ... |
| 20:16.33 | gremlin[it] | not suitable for linux ... but i play to play with free-rtos |
| 20:16.55 | Jin|away | hey likewise |
| 20:16.58 | Jin|away | hi Ze |
| 20:17.02 | Jin|away | argh |
| 20:17.04 | Jin|away | zecke that is |
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| 20:18.13 | zecke | Jin^eLD: how was your workshop? |
| 20:18.23 | Jin^eLD | very cool and very interesting |
| 20:18.29 | Jin^eLD | lots of good discussions |
| 20:18.57 | likewise | Jin^eLD: hey there |
| 20:19.11 | likewise | gremlin[it]: is that the eval board for the m3? |
| 20:19.13 | Jin^eLD | also had the chance to talk to the gstreamer guys which was interesting because we are working on a transcoding feature in mediatomb |
| 20:20.17 | Jin^eLD | how was your trip home? everything allright? |
| 20:20.44 | gremlin[it] | no is a gadget ... but is sell with devel info |
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| 20:21.38 | likewise | Jin^eLD: fine |
| 20:22.09 | likewise | Jin^eLD: gstreamer might be interesting as a RTP receiver stack as well for us. Also live555.com is an option (is in OE as well) |
| 20:22.24 | Jin^eLD | zecke: since you were talking when I pasted this link you probably missed it :) so here it goes again: http://www.deadlock.dhs.org/jin/zecke_linz.jpg |
| 20:22.51 | Jin^eLD | likewise: indeed, they seem to have quite a good streaming framework |
| 20:23.01 | zecke | haha |
| 20:23.18 | likewise | Jin^eLD: I'll lock myself up tomorrow trying to get a project description your way :-) |
| 20:23.41 | likewise | Jin^eLD: I'm really tired from just two days listening all day and doing nothing :-) |
| 20:23.58 | likewise | Jin^eLD: My hands start itching to start coding again |
| 20:24.14 | Jin^eLD | hehe, well, I did some coding in the train, and some documentation work |
| 20:24.30 | Jin^eLD | and I was online the whole time, so feeling OK in that sense |
| 20:24.36 | likewise | :-) |
| 20:24.55 | likewise | Jin^eLD: I thought you drove your tank back home. ;-) |
| 20:25.23 | koen | "According to Andrew Morton, we change approximately 9000 lines of kernel code per day, every day. That means that we touch something in the range of 3000 lines of code, when we take comments, blank lines and simple reshuffling into account. The COCOMO estimate of the value of 3000 lines of code is about $100k. " |
| 20:25.32 | gremlin[it] | likewise, http://www.st.com/mcu/contentid-105-110-STM3210B_PRIMER.html |
| 20:25.44 | Jin^eLD | likewise: yeah, so I could do some coding - no need to look at the road ;) |
| 20:27.03 | dcordes | where are matchbox-panel-2 applets saved? |
| 20:33.09 | likewise | zecke, Jin^eLD: what was the fast and fancy gui project? Any url for that? |
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| 20:34.02 | zecke | likewise: Qt ;) |
| 20:34.10 | zecke | likewise: evas from englightement |
| 20:34.21 | zecke | ~spell enlightenment |
| 20:35.01 | likewise | zecke: watch it, or I will sling the three-headed monkey back into the trees where it belongs, and send you Stan's Theme by email |
| 20:35.23 | likewise | zecke: webkit might be cute though :-) |
| 20:36.31 | Jin^eLD | yeah, evas.. I was too slow :) |
| 20:36.44 | koen | was Robi Karp at ELC? |
| 20:38.06 | koen | or was gustavo doing an evas talk? |
| 20:38.14 | zecke | gustavo |
| 20:38.57 | koen | that's a great guy as well |
| 20:39.56 | Jin^eLD | I'm off for today, bye everyone |
| 20:41.47 | likewise | koen: ouch, I wonder if zecke is already aware of kruidnoten |
| 20:42.01 | likewise | he confessed he was obsessed with dutch snacks. |
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| 20:42.59 | koen | likewise: he was a big bag of them in his kitchen |
| 20:43.07 | koen | s/was/has/ |
| 20:43.37 | koen | now he has a fridge, he can start importing vla(flip) as well |
| 20:43.39 | zecke | koen: not anymore... |
| 20:43.49 | zecke | koen: regarding the big bag |
| 20:44.20 | zecke | koen: and I know another berlin guy obsessed by vla. I could make money by importing it.... |
| 20:45.43 | likewise | zecke: I guess stroopwafels are nothing special |
| 20:46.54 | likewise | I brought Mozartkugeln with me, to keep the mistress happy |
| 20:47.02 | koen | stroopwafels are illegal in .au |
| 20:47.21 | likewise | in .au, because of dairy? |
| 20:47.28 | koen | our solar challenge team had to surrender them |
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| 20:47.54 | likewise | Marjet had had sent a Unox rookworst over to .au when she was there, but it was intercepted. |
| 20:47.54 | koen | the .au custum officers know of them by name :) |
| 20:52.15 | koen | zecke: http://ikeahacker.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:56.33 | likewise | mwester-laptop: define good dutch peppermints, which brand? |
| 20:56.52 | koen | wilhelmina ones of course :) |
| 20:57.01 | mwester-laptop | Yep, what koen said. |
| 20:57.20 | likewise | I dislike the glasur (sp?) layer |
| 20:57.32 | koen | too bad the only useable packaging is only available at gas stations |
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| 20:58.43 | mwester-laptop | I've only had them in the cardboard box, and in a small paper bag. Is there other packaging? |
| 20:58.44 | koen | mickey|tv: openmoko-panel-battery.c:94: warning: implicit declaration of function 'dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main' |
| 20:59.06 | koen | The cardboard box is the usable one :) |
| 20:59.50 | zecke | koen: have you seen the webkit slides? |
| 20:59.59 | koen | zecke: not yet |
| 21:00.08 | koen | alp did forward your mail to cairo-dvel |
| 21:00.15 | zecke | koen: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/elce2007 |
| 21:00.17 | mwester-laptop | I have to go to a trade show near Detroit on Monday, there's a grocery store there that sells them in the cardboard boxes. :) |
| 21:00.37 | zecke | I have seen that, I wanted to help the asian/indian WebKit/Gtk+ users... |
| 21:01.45 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r006b4b47... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb): |
| 21:01.45 | CIA-32 | neod: fix RDEPENDS, oe automagically maps dbus->dbus-1 when using debian renaming. Using dbus-1 also breaks for people not inheriting debian.bbclass. |
| 21:01.45 | CIA-32 | this fixes: ERROR: No buildable providers available for required build target openmoko-devel-image ('['task-openmoko', 'neod', 'dbus-1']') |
| 21:02.06 | koen | dbus.inc has some nasty renaming.... |
| 21:03.44 | koen | zecke: your slides look familiar :) |
| 21:04.00 | koen | especially the placement of the subtitles ;) |
| 21:04.30 | zecke | koen: it is not using your gradient, I will have to create a template though... |
| 21:04.51 | zecke | koen: do you have subtitles as well? I didn't know that! It was a good idea to create them |
| 21:07.58 | koen | zecke: http://www.openembedded.org:1081/revision/diff/2ebd969d37262b0d97c7ff5323a3e723f3032598/with/8965d61611a5420db6f2ccd518265ae6e940b299 |
| 21:08.44 | zecke | what does "internal server error" mean? |
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| 21:09.27 | koen | that python sucks and you should command-R |
| 21:10.07 | koen | http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-November/009982.html |
| 21:11.19 | zecke | koen: I asked mickeyl to look me in sometime soon(tm). Probably december... :) |
| 21:11.30 | zecke | s/look/lock/.... |
| 21:12.27 | kristoffer | kergoth, you there? Got some tslib questions |
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| 22:12.00 | rw | morning |
| 22:12.25 | zecke | hey |
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| 22:18.01 | hrw | zecke: nice slides |
| 22:18.22 | hrw | someone know what contain 'rsvg'? |
| 22:18.42 | zecke | librsvg? |
| 22:18.58 | hrw | | /home/hrw/devel/build/openmoko/tmp/work/all-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga-0.1.0+svnr3225-r2/temp/run.do_configure.11198: line 535: rsvg: command not found |
| 22:19.29 | hrw | time for new openmoko bug |
| 22:21.48 | hrw | ok, it was updated to 3289 in meantime |
| 22:26.46 | hrw | nope it was not that |
| 22:32.26 | hrw | someone alive at all? |
| 22:33.18 | hvontres|home | hrw: I'm here, but I have no clue what rsvg is either :) |
| 22:34.09 | zecke | hrw: what was wrong with rsvg is part of librsvg? |
| 22:34.26 | hvontres|home | hrw: BTW, congrats on becoming a Daddy :) Just watch out for braindamage to set in :) (in you, not the kids...:) ) |
| 22:34.40 | hrw | zecke: we lack librsvg-native |
| 22:34.45 | hrw | v8jlene: thx |
| 22:34.47 | hrw | hvontres|home: thx |
| 22:35.06 | hrw | someone can suggest GTK UI builder application? something like QT Designer atleast |
| 22:35.18 | zecke | hrw: glade? the only choice |
| 22:35.38 | hrw | zecke: and it adds dependency on libglade? |
| 22:35.51 | zecke | hrw: no, not with Gtk 2.12 |
| 22:36.22 | hrw | openmoko is still 2.10 ;( |
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| 22:37.04 | hrw | when I look at gtk-helloworld I want to vommit |
| 22:37.09 | zecke | hrw: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-September/msg00052.html check the Interface Builder |
| 22:37.19 | zecke | hrw: hey, it is horrible but I have been through this |
| 22:39.11 | hrw | EasyGUI was module for AmigaE to create system GUI applications. |
| 22:39.32 | zecke | hrw: the biggest mistake you ever did was selling your amiga? |
| 22:40.08 | hrw | zecke: no |
| 22:40.24 | zecke | hehe |
| 22:40.26 | hrw | zecke: amigaos time passed |
| 22:40.39 | hrw | but writing applications for it was fun |
| 22:41.14 | zecke | hrw: can you give me a link to EasyGUI? |
| 22:41.17 | hrw | and 40K application size was nothing strange |
| 22:41.26 | hrw | zecke: moment - will try to find something |
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| 22:42.35 | lumag|home | hi all! |
| 22:42.50 | zecke | wow git-add --interactive is soooo cool |
| 22:45.09 | hvontres|home | hrw: Just tried to boot your 2.6.23 image on poodle. I sent the error log to the list. |
| 22:45.47 | hrw | zecke: http://pastebin.ca/761513 is gui definition with callback functions names inserted where needed |
| 22:46.50 | zecke | ~lart pastebin... |
| 22:46.50 | ibot | strangles pastebin... with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 22:46.52 | zecke | pH5: hey! |
| 22:47.29 | pH5 | hey :) |
| 22:48.53 | hrw | zecke: http://aminet.net/dev/e/EasyGUI_v33b3.lha is last version of EasyGUI |
| 22:49.02 | hrw | zecke: its over 10 years old now |
| 22:49.44 | zecke | thanks, will take a look |
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| 23:18.59 | hrw | gtk stinks |
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| 23:20.16 | zecke | koen: wow, you really had to switch ISPs... :( |
| 23:21.18 | koen | yes |
| 23:21.33 | koen | but I now have one month to switch over |
| 23:22.29 | hrw | heh.. tomorrow (or rather today) I have to talk with OH guys about writing apps in GTK |
| 23:22.49 | koen | hrw: I responded to you neod email |
| 23:22.55 | NAbyss | koen: a bit off-topic... but I was wondering if you could confirm something; from what I've heard from various mailserver admins around, wanadoo seems to be the AOL of europe, luser-wise? |
| 23:23.00 | koen | I suspect we need to add my email into the docs :) |
| 23:23.21 | koen | NAbyss: wanadoo doesn't exist anymore, it's now orange |
| 23:23.23 | hrw | if I will have to spend half of day to write GUI definition for application then I will ignore GTK and will start writing openmoko apps in Qt |
| 23:23.28 | koen | but they still use the old domain names |
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| 23:23.34 | NAbyss | koen: Ah, that says it all ;) |
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| 23:23.45 | NAbyss | Thanks |
| 23:23.46 | koen | NAbyss: and atm it's the cheapest adsl2 provider |
| 23:23.58 | koen | so that pretty much makes it AOL :) |
| 23:24.10 | NAbyss | Cheap is good. |
| 23:24.41 | koen | If only the phone exchange wasn't 8km away |
| 23:25.27 | zecke | hrw: I tried to brain wash RP. o-hand is going to be a Qt company ;) |
| 23:25.50 | hrw | zecke: you need to brainwash mallum rather then RP |
| 23:25.59 | koen | did rp and sameo get much kernel hacking done at celf? |
| 23:26.49 | zecke | no idea |
| 23:27.01 | zecke | hrw: I knew there was something wrong with my plot.. |
| 23:30.22 | koen | NAbyss: I'm hoping I get free hotspot access now orange and t-mobile are merging |
| 23:30.40 | NAbyss | koen: Nice.. what's GPRS/UMTS data pricing like over there? |
| 23:31.04 | koen | I have flatrate edge for €17/month |
| 23:31.25 | koen | but you can get a data-only subscription for €10/month |
| 23:31.33 | koen | flatrate UMTS/HSDPA |
| 23:32.17 | hrw | koen: with 9600 speed when you reach limit set by provided? |
| 23:32.19 | hrw | koen: with 9600 speed when you reach limit set by provider |
| 23:32.24 | hrw | ? |
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| 23:34.16 | koen | hrw: dunno, never reached a limit :) |
| 23:34.21 | koen | and usually when on gprs/edge I'm in the middle of nowhere, so it's slow anyway |
| 23:36.36 | hrw | ;) |
| 23:36.50 | hrw | my phones are gprs only |
| 23:37.18 | koen | after merging with KPN telfort dropped edge |
| 23:37.26 | koen | so I'm gprs only as well |
| 23:38.27 | hrw | and when I look at current phones I do not see good enough one to replace my k750i |
| 23:38.51 | koen | you could use the neo |
| 23:39.11 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:39.39 | hrw | koen: openmoko need year of development... |
| 23:39.42 | hrw | by koen |
| 23:39.45 | hrw | bye koen |
| 23:39.49 | hrw | ~lart my keyboard |
| 23:39.49 | ibot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs my keyboard |
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