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| 06:20.16 | nelson | Hmmm... Apparently it already reports that information, but only when you're debugging. |
| 06:20.28 | nelson | Wouldn't it be better to not have that bug in the first place? |
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| 07:20.03 | mickeyl | morning |
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| 07:27.58 | Bernardo | good morning |
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| 08:04.44 | XorA | morning |
| 08:05.02 | koen | hey XorA & mickeyl |
| 08:05.47 | XorA | ok I need to buy new ADSL2+ modem |
| 08:06.06 | mickeyl | morning koen & XorA |
| 08:06.15 | koen | I found out my modem supports dyndns in its firmware |
| 08:06.27 | XorA | most do |
| 08:06.54 | XorA | Speedtouch is still alcatel crap :-( |
| 08:07.00 | XorA | ST didnt improve the quality |
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| 08:22.04 | hrw | morning |
| 08:23.07 | esben | moin |
| 08:23.43 | XorA | hrw: that a theme park> |
| 08:23.45 | XorA | ? |
| 08:23.49 | esben | Happy day yesterday. I found a fix to build meta-toolchain for ppc603e :-) |
| 08:24.05 | esben | or at least, I found a workaround.... |
| 08:24.06 | XorA | ~lart linux and its lack of decent scheduling |
| 08:24.06 | ibot | rm -rf's linux and its lack of decent scheduling |
| 08:24.26 | hrw | XorA: no - part of world where euro is currency |
| 08:24.41 | XorA | hrw: so like disney dollars :-D |
| 08:24.52 | hrw | PLN value is rising, Euro is decreasing due to that. |
| 08:24.59 | hrw | and my invoices are in Euro... |
| 08:25.05 | XorA | :-( |
| 08:25.18 | CM | hrw: Be glad it's not in USD |
| 08:25.22 | esben | hrw: don't you have euro in .pl? |
| 08:25.30 | hrw | esben: not yet |
| 08:25.44 | hrw | CM: I do not use dummy currencies |
| 08:25.47 | esben | I'm from .dk, we have our DKK also. |
| 08:25.49 | CM | Hehe |
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| 08:27.30 | esben | DKK has been quite stable compared to euro, so we have the real benefits of euro without having "out-source" the decission making of our financial policy |
| 08:27.51 | esben | anyone that has experience with ESFQ ? |
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| 08:36.10 | steliosk | hrw : You are not alone... I have a friend who is doing consulting work for a US company and gets paid in US$ while in Greece.... |
| 08:36.16 | steliosk | major pain :( |
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| 08:37.14 | Khem_ | USD in US is pain too these days :) |
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| 08:40.14 | hrw | steliosk: thats why all my invoices are in Euro - nevermind does client is from eurozone, UK, US or Poland |
| 08:40.25 | esben | buying stuff from US is nice these days though :-) |
| 08:41.01 | steliosk | hrw : That's makes you 30% more expensive for the same contract :( |
| 08:41.10 | steliosk | esben : Yes... travelling also :) |
| 08:42.42 | esben | My boss is flying to NY today, and I hope he will be able to find me a Linksys WRTSL54GS for my home network :-) |
| 08:43.15 | esben | It doesn't seem to be possible to buy such a nice thing in europe :-( |
| 08:44.40 | esben | 8MB flash, 32MB RAM, WLAN AP, 4 port switch, USB 2.0 --> a very nice machine to build a lean mean OE based home router/firewall/ap/server on |
| 08:44.59 | XorA | doesnt hrw have one of those? |
| 08:45.14 | XorA | I only have the GL |
| 08:46.09 | hrw | XorA: I have wrt54gs not wrtSL54gs |
| 08:46.18 | hrw | esben: look for asus wl-500gp |
| 08:46.33 | hrw | esben: its comparable to wrtsl54gs but can run 2.6 kernel |
| 08:47.00 | hrw | and looks nicer |
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| 08:49.20 | hrw | ~spell goverment |
| 08:51.12 | CIA-32 | 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5b486585... 10/ (1 packages/gsm/pty/pty.c packages/gsm/pty_0.0.bb): |
| 08:51.12 | CIA-32 | pty: Commit by andrew :: r3327 /trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/pty.c: (link) |
| 08:51.12 | CIA-32 | Avoid spinning after the slave pty closes. |
| 08:52.39 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/11/02/i-want-euro-in-poland/ |
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| 08:54.37 | steliosk | btw do uou think its better to use a service like blogspot or setup up something on a server we maintain ? |
| 08:55.17 | koen_ | for what? |
| 08:55.32 | koen_ | oe.org already has a blogging platform installed, if that is what you want |
| 08:56.21 | esben | hrw: can wrtsl54gs not run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:58.14 | hrw | esben: from what I remember there were problem with it |
| 08:59.11 | steliosk | koen_ : Well we are thinking of starting blogs for the devs in company |
| 08:59.47 | steliosk | and we wonder what the best option is |
| 08:59.52 | hrw | steliosk: wordpressMU |
| 09:00.14 | hrw | steliosk: one code, many blogs - eac with own subdomain or subdir |
| 09:00.56 | hrw | esben: "Almost all of these platforms are based on 2.6 kernels with the exception of Broadcom -- Sorry; we couldn't get a stable wifi connection on 2.6." |
| 09:01.36 | esben | hrw: a shame :-( |
| 09:02.15 | hrw | shame to broadcom |
| 09:14.12 | mickeyl | hmm mplayer uses pld instructions :/ |
| 09:14.14 | mickeyl | | motion_comp_arm_s.S:28: Error: selected processor does not support `pld [r1]' |
| 09:14.57 | koen | that's armv5? |
| 09:15.16 | mickeyl | yep |
| 09:15.21 | koen | iirc you can safely leave them out |
| 09:15.31 | mickeyl | yeah, they are just hints |
| 09:15.56 | hrw | <4>end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 |
| 09:15.56 | hrw | <3>Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 |
| 09:16.03 | hrw | ~curse gta01 |
| 09:16.04 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, gta01 ! |
| 09:16.04 | koen | drat, fetchmail is doing an evo |
| 09:16.13 | koen | mail from the past 2 years is reappearing |
| 09:18.00 | koen | would a 1gb sd card also do? |
| 09:18.09 | hrw | no |
| 09:18.19 | hrw | gta01 just refused to use my 1GB sd card |
| 09:18.33 | koen | even with the .23 kernel? |
| 09:19.05 | hrw | first device has to be atleast usable.. |
| 09:19.14 | hrw | I have 1.5M free flash again |
| 09:21.48 | hrw | so reflashing (with losing all configs etc) or booting from sd |
| 09:22.25 | hrw | ~curse pcf50606 'driver' for useless crap in dmesg |
| 09:22.26 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, pcf50606 'driver' for useless crap in dmesg ! |
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| 09:28.28 | hrw | koen: does 2.6.23-openmoko is working? |
| 09:29.04 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3253 has been created by xyzaid(AT)yahoo.fr |
| 09:29.06 | cdbot2 | * * Belkin bt card not working - hciattach fails with bcsp error messages |
| 09:29.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3253 |
| 09:34.41 | koen | hrw: it was at OEDEM |
| 09:38.30 | XorA | hrw: when you going to do patches for Marvell cards, just found Sparklan for only 25GBP |
| 09:39.41 | XorA | INCLUDES = $(XORG_INCS) $(PLATFORM_INCLUDES) -I/usr/include/drm # FIXME this last part is crack |
| 09:39.43 | XorA | heh heh |
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| 09:48.59 | hrw | XorA: drmfix.patch is in OE |
| 09:49.19 | hrw | XorA: next week? |
| 09:49.26 | XorA | hrw: I know, its just an insane comment |
| 09:53.21 | russf | Crofton|home: Can't you sleep? |
| 09:53.31 | hrw | XorA: I am doing zaurus configs update now |
| 09:53.53 | hrw | c7x0/akita/spitz/poodle builds with 2.6.23 now (460-469 kernel modules for each). tosa fails |
| 09:54.32 | XorA | hrw: cool |
| 09:54.51 | hrw | 2.6.23 is default in angstrom now? |
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| 09:55.26 | Crofton|home | 6am |
| 09:56.09 | woglinde | he crofton |
| 09:56.10 | Crofton|home | woke up, need to get a little more done b4 leaving |
| 09:56.13 | woglinde | no sleep? |
| 10:00.29 | Crofton|home | plenty of sleep :) |
| 10:01.56 | hrw | will take a lot of time on 512kbps |
| 10:02.02 | lumag | hrw: where does tosa fail for 2.6.23? |
| 10:02.33 | hrw | lumag: kernel too big with my config |
| 10:02.33 | woglinde | hm |
| 10:02.38 | woglinde | 900 bugs are open |
| 10:03.08 | lumag | hrw: Oh :) |
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| 10:05.04 | lumag | what did you change from defconfig? You can move e.g. NLS to modules. It would save some space |
| 10:05.37 | woglinde | do we want a .pkg for zlib? |
| 10:05.46 | woglinde | aeh .pc |
| 10:05.56 | hrw | lumag: will check |
| 10:06.10 | hrw | lumag: now rebuilding kernel with OE default config |
| 10:06.20 | hrw | lumag: btw - you are from Russia? |
| 10:06.22 | lumag | hrw: also you can add SND_TIMER, SND_PCM to modules |
| 10:06.27 | lumag | hrw: yes |
| 10:07.12 | hrw | lumag: write directly to Laibsch (Rolf Leggewie) about serial cable (add me to cc:) |
| 10:07.56 | lumag | hrw: ok |
| 10:13.20 | lumag | hrw: currently I'm trying to get cable via another route. If that fails, I'd write to Rolf |
| 10:14.37 | woglinde | hms sdl is a mess |
| 10:14.50 | woglinde | in oe |
| 10:16.06 | XorA | koen: it didnt break anything :-) |
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| 10:19.45 | esben | hrw: asus wl-500gp is broadcom also... |
| 10:20.02 | XorA | quick someone mention Crofton|home and his unamerican activities :-) |
| 10:20.36 | hrw | ah. |
| 10:20.53 | hrw | koen: can apache on ewi get a bit more cpu time? |
| 10:20.58 | Crofton|home | shhh, big brother is listening |
| 10:23.52 | Jin^eLD | greetings from the CELF |
| 10:26.01 | hrw | Jin^eLD: Dodji talk? |
| 10:27.07 | woglinde | hi jineld |
| 10:27.26 | woglinde | jineld oh who is speaking? |
| 10:28.25 | Jin^eLD | hrw: yes, Dodji |
| 10:28.36 | Jin^eLD | hi woglinde |
| 10:30.43 | Crofton|home | how is the conference? |
| 10:31.02 | Jin^eLD | Crofton|home: well, just started, it's the 2nd lecture now |
| 10:31.06 | Jin^eLD | but overall quite interesting |
| 10:31.25 | Jin^eLD | some lectures overlap in an unfortunate way, i.e. I'd like to see both but they are at the same time |
| 10:31.37 | hrw | Jin^eLD: its normal ;( |
| 10:31.43 | Jin^eLD | :P |
| 10:32.34 | Jin^eLD | Dodji makes a somewhat confused impression though :) |
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| 10:39.08 | Jin^eLD | next lecture; l8r |
| 10:49.20 | hrw | ~curse sharp once more |
| 10:49.20 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, sharp once more ! |
| 10:49.37 | hrw | ~lart linux-2.6 for being so big |
| 10:49.38 | ibot | nukes linux-2.6 with a single large nuke for being so big |
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| 10:50.11 | koen | there |
| 10:50.20 | koen | my pvr has gbit nfsroot now |
| 10:50.55 | koen | and extra ram salvaged from an old computer |
| 11:06.34 | koen | [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 764 MBytes 639 Mbits/sec |
| 11:06.45 | koen | not bad for a 15 meters of cat5 :) |
| 11:08.53 | lumag | hrw: maybe we can add an option to change partition tables? |
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| 11:09.26 | hrw | NO |
| 11:09.41 | hrw | new cpu arrived |
| 11:13.28 | hrw | time to upgrade |
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| 11:21.50 | Jin^eLD | re |
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| 11:36.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3254 has been created by ghaderer(AT)nexwave-solutions.com |
| 11:36.07 | cdbot2 | * * native OpenSSL fails to build due to the use of target linker flags |
| 11:36.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3254 |
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| 12:04.43 | hrw | re |
| 12:05.01 | hrw | XorA: it is AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ |
| 12:07.02 | XorA | hrw: alright for some |
| 12:07.55 | Crofton|home | koen, I updated elinux.org/OSK to point to angstrom |
| 12:08.10 | Crofton|home | I really need to update and test the images there |
| 12:08.26 | Crofton|home | but I noticed our webserver was getting hits for a dir there that had gone away |
| 12:17.30 | CIA-32 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * redb8cd28... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-worldclock2_svn.bb): openmoko-worldclock2_svn.bb : fix depends |
| 12:18.13 | CM | Interesting thing for making prototypes: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/01/first-pics-of-bug-labs-open-source-hardware/ |
| 12:19.26 | CIA-32 | 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r27e74ef9... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:19.26 | CIA-32 | conf files: remove preferred-openmoko-versions.inc (they're included in sane-srcdates.inc), |
| 12:19.26 | CIA-32 | catch up with distro configurations |
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| 12:32.43 | koen | hrw: usbhost on tosa is only needed for wifi and bluetooth, right? |
| 12:34.06 | hrw | wifi |
| 12:34.13 | hrw | BT is on serial |
| 12:34.23 | Crofton|home | mickey|lunch, nelson was having an issue with openmoko builds gnash-0.8.0 not 0.8.1 yesterday |
| 12:34.29 | Crofton|home | I think that came from the sane-* file |
| 12:34.37 | koen | nelson os having more issues |
| 12:34.48 | koen | about trademarks and such |
| 12:35.44 | koen | the word 'shill' comes to mind |
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| 12:37.43 | koen | Crofton|home: it comes from the lockdown file that I kept pointing a a few weeks back |
| 12:38.26 | koen | Crofton|home: everything in angstrom 2007.1 (and hence angstrom 2007.1 derivates) is locked down now |
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| 12:38.58 | koen | the 'stability' thing and all |
| 12:39.14 | koen | you know, what people were whining about |
| 12:39.36 | koen | and now they have it, they whine about new and untested stuff not getting used |
| 12:39.43 | koen | ~users |
| 12:39.45 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
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| 12:42.00 | Crofton|home | koen, I found it easily, once I bothered to look :) |
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| 13:02.11 | Crofton|home | koen, in a perfect world we would keep track of all these questions and create qa FAQ |
| 13:02.34 | Crofton|home | ok, must start drving soon |
| 13:03.03 | esben | Crofton|home: hehe, just let me know where to find this FAQ :-) |
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| 13:31.05 | cdbot2 | * * OE Bug 3255 has been created by zap(AT)homelink.ru |
| 13:31.07 | cdbot2 | * * Spitz amber LED not affected by /sys entries |
| 13:31.09 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3255 |
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| 15:22.28 | hrw | or better here |
| 15:22.30 | hrw | koen: ping |
| 15:22.47 | hrw | koen: I want to remove DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS from angstrom |
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| 15:31.33 | koen_ | hrw: leave them for now and send a proposal to angstrom-dev |
| 15:31.46 | hrw | sure |
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| 16:04.17 | Jin^eLD | koen: does angstrom have something ready to use upstart or initng? I see that there is an upstart .bb file around |
| 16:06.14 | koen | Jin^eLD: you'd have to ask XorA, he's our new initsystem guru :) |
| 16:06.22 | Jin^eLD | ooh, ok :) |
| 16:06.27 | Jin^eLD | XorA: ping :> |
| 16:07.23 | XorA | nothing ready |
| 16:07.35 | Jin^eLD | anything planned? |
| 16:07.58 | koen | XorA's mail about the subject: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/distro-devel/2007-October/000067.html |
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| 16:08.06 | Jin^eLD | thx |
| 16:11.41 | Jin^eLD | interesting |
| 16:12.03 | Jin^eLD | I did not know that it is not yet doing the parallel stuff |
| 16:12.17 | Jin^eLD | well, the topic just came to my mind since I ended up in a parallelizing boot lecture |
| 16:12.54 | Jin^eLD | zecke's webkit presentation is next :> |
| 16:13.56 | koen | :) |
| 16:14.07 | koen | how's linz? |
| 16:14.26 | Jin^eLD | well, my 2nd time there, like rest of .at I guess |
| 16:14.35 | Jin^eLD | dead in the evening |
| 16:14.42 | Jin^eLD | bug maybe that was just because of the holiday yesterday |
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| 16:15.19 | Jin^eLD | well.. I'm originally from Moscow which has more inhabitants than whole .at :) so even Vienna is more like a village to me :P |
| 16:15.47 | Jin^eLD | probably the reason I'm staying - no rush, no hurry ;) |
| 16:15.56 | koen | heh |
| 16:16.01 | koen | that reminds me |
| 16:16.15 | koen | I need to locate a translation of the Final Watch |
| 16:16.29 | gremlin[it] | Jin^eLD are u at conference in Vienna ? |
| 16:16.38 | Jin^eLD | gremlin[it]: in Linz.. CELF |
| 16:16.44 | Jin^eLD | koen: is it the 2nd or the 1st? |
| 16:16.59 | Jin^eLD | koen: I think I watched the first one but to be honest I did not like it that much |
| 16:17.01 | koen | Jin^eLD: 4th, I already have the first 3 |
| 16:17.10 | koen | the books are way better |
| 16:17.13 | gremlin[it] | Jin^eLD, oh yes ... i forgot ... how is it? |
| 16:17.19 | Jin^eLD | books are always better... see LOTR |
| 16:17.39 | Jin^eLD | gremlin[it]: not too in depth going, mostly scratching the surface, each lecture is only 40 minutes |
| 16:17.53 | Jin^eLD | so I would have expected a more in depth view.. but overall ok |
| 16:18.03 | Jin^eLD | mostly interesting to talk to people |
| 16:18.09 | koen | Jin^eLD: the director of night watch hates magic and fantasy, so that's why the movie isn't making much sense at some points |
| 16:18.25 | gremlin[it] | Jin^eLD ..mhh ok ... sp isn't too bad I didn't come *LOL* |
| 16:18.30 | koen | the movie director, that is |
| 16:19.26 | Jin^eLD | night watch got me all confused.. |
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| 16:21.33 | Jin^eLD | room change, l8r :) |
| 16:22.31 | gremlin[it] | bye |
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| 16:34.50 | Jin^eLD | re |
| 16:39.51 | Jin^eLD | here is some realtime stuff for you: http://www.deadlock.dhs.org/jin/zecke_linz.jpg |
| 16:39.56 | Jin^eLD | :) |
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| 17:15.09 | woglinde | openmkoko |
| 17:15.12 | woglinde | uos |
| 17:15.24 | woglinde | re |
| 17:19.06 | woglinde | hrw/koen should I do the nls fix for alsa-utils for 1.0.14 and 1.0.15 in one commit or two commits? |
| 17:19.33 | hrw | one |
| 17:19.38 | woglinde | okay |
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| 17:38.42 | kergoth | wow, i still have bitkeeper shell functions in my bash dotfiles |
| 17:38.46 | hrw | bye |
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| 17:48.26 | woglinde | hi kergoth |
| 17:49.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
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| 18:27.29 | CIA-32 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r619c8df7... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb): mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb : fix for armv4 |
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| 18:27.39 | CIA-32 | 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r33819f24... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs.inc : bump openmoko-theme-standard2 |
| 18:27.44 | CIA-32 | 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rf3bc63cc... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: bump openmoko-appmanager2 to get fix for OM #960 |
| 18:27.49 | CIA-32 | 03woglinde2 07org.oe.dev * rad204362... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:27.49 | CIA-32 | alsa-utils: fix bug 2348, nls problem with libintl |
| 18:27.49 | CIA-32 | * add alsa-utils-automake.patch |
| 18:27.49 | CIA-32 | * fix version 1.0.14 and 1.0.15 |
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| 21:08.13 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:11.01 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 21:12.11 | chouimat|away | hi kergoth CosmicPenguin |
| 21:13.33 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|away: you get that job yet? |
| 21:14.30 | chouimat|away | CosmicPenguin: which one? the work from home or the other (yesterday interview) ? |
| 21:14.54 | CosmicPenguin | you were talking about two possible gigs |
| 21:14.56 | chouimat|away | CosmicPenguin: I got the "yesterday interview" one |
| 21:15.28 | kergoth | huh, lately i've been pondering something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages for oe |
| 21:15.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:15.42 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|away: nice! |
| 21:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: hum - freaky |
| 21:16.11 | chouimat|away | CosmicPenguin: pay less and I have to go out but it's ok since the company will move at the end of the month in the Bymarket :) |
| 21:16.33 | CosmicPenguin | into the Bymarket? |
| 21:17.03 | chouimat|away | CosmicPenguin: you know downtown ottawa near the rideau center .. where all the pubs and restaurant are |
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| 21:17.16 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: was just thinking about patchsets and SRC_URI and the virtues and downsides to fetching and such, and started pondering the use of a git repo per package, with the oe metadata in the source tree like debian.. heh. cant remember why we didnt want that when oe was started.. where are those old wiki pages.. |
| 21:17.20 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - that woudl be an awesome place to wkr |
| 21:17.35 | chouimat|away | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 21:17.51 | kergoth | i shoudl try ot get to another OLS one of these years |
| 21:18.21 | CosmicPenguin | probably won't be in ottawa though |
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| 21:19.18 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: well, the biggest problem was that we didn't really have a RCS that was condusive that sort of behavior |
| 21:19.19 | chouimat|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.28 | CosmicPenguin | we could have never gotten bitkeeper to work like that |
| 21:19.56 | kergoth | true, and bk was so heavy |
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| 21:20.18 | kergoth | and since it had no branches, you'd have to have an assload of big clones |
| 21:20.20 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:41.42 | kristoffer_ | RP, Got a sec for kernel question? |
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